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shanewalker 10-20-06, 03:58 PM Curt,
It should work. I've used the mac mini to push via firewire my R5000-HD recordings to an LG 3410A dvr. I found that I had to use and eternal USB2.0 drive though. When I transferred a file on the internal mac harddrive using VirtualDVHS, I always got glitches. I never tried using files from a networked drive. I have had success using network drives with the R5000-HD
TW
Greetings all, R5000 prospective/newb here. I'm really interested in this product due to the glowing reviews from trusted posters/sources and have scoured the AVS and elsewhere the past few days looking for some info prior to 'diving in.'
Anyways, per the above posting, I'm curious if anyone is running the R5000 off of one of the Intel Core Duo Mac Mini's. I'm looking to do so, with the primary purpose being the capturing of HD streams from an E* 622 mod and then promptly archiving to D-Vhs. I would think either a Parallels XP or Boot Camp dual-boot scenario should work for the recording, and that pushing to D-Vhs might be more stable via OSX firewire tools. Am I correct here?
Oh, and 'thrustonw', you speak of external USB 2.O HDs being preferable to the Mac Mini internal...is this for recording or for playback or both? I have a Maxtor 1TB external USB 2.0/Firewire HD that would be seemingly ideal for use by the R5000/D-Vhs archiving solution if need be.
Also, to prove how green I am, I have to ask. My initial intent is to watch the streams directly off of the D-Vhs tapes (better for remote-control 'couch viewing' imho), rather than off of the computer. Is this possible/typical or not...i.e. are the recorded/archived streams such that the player (a HM-DT100U) will treat them as any other recording, or is the D-Vhs recording a data file, only to be viewed back on the computer?
I was planning on getting a Mac Mini for other uses in my main HT setup, already have the said D-Vhs and 622 receiver...seems like this R5000 solution would add some fantastic functionality (I've been waiting for a looong time for E* to add their promised USB HD archiving feature to their HD DVRs, and this would totally fit the bill).
Thanks!
thurstonw 10-21-06, 02:44 AM I'm curious if anyone is running the R5000 off of one of the Intel Core Duo Mac Mini's. I'm looking to do so, with the primary purpose being the capturing of HD streams from an E* 622 mod and then promptly archiving to D-Vhs. I would think either a Parallels XP or Boot Camp dual-boot scenario should work for the recording, and that pushing to D-Vhs might be more stable via OSX firewire tools.
The R5000HD can push recording from Hardrive to DVHS using their tools under windows XP.
[Thrustonw speaks] of an external USB 2.O HDs as being preferable to the Mac Mini internal...is this for recording or for playback or both?
I was transferring some high quality (+25Mbit) HDTV recordings to dvhs. I noticed that if the file was on the internal drive, I would get glitches on the tape. If the file was on an external or network drive, the DVHS tape would be glitch free.
As a general rule of thumb, you should not record/playback content from the main system drive. The windows (or OSX) system can preempt data transfers and cause problems.
Also, to prove how green I am, I have to ask. My initial intent is to watch the streams directly off of the D-Vhs tapes (better for remote-control 'couch viewing' imho), rather than off of the computer. Is this possible/typical or not...i.e. are the recorded/archived streams such that the player (a HM-DT100U) will treat them as any other recording, or is the D-Vhs recording a data file, only to be viewed back on the computer?
I play back all my files using MyHD 100 card. you can get them used on eBay for less than $100. Quality is very good (excellent if you get the 120 + DVIout). The R5000hd will automatically add the recordings to the MyHD playlist.
I was planning on getting a Mac Mini for other uses in my main HT setup, already have the said D-Vhs and 622 receiver...seems like this R5000 solution would add some fantastic functionality (I've been waiting for a looong time for E* to add their promised USB HD archiving feature to their HD DVRs, and this would totally fit the bill).
I have a mac mini. It is great for DVHS stuff, but I wouldn't use it for HDTV playback. It's too slow. Also apple doesn't seem to take full advantage of hardware MPEG2 acceleration in the graphics chip set. So it uses a lot of CPU for playback. I'd get a cheap 1.8GHz machine with an Nvida graphics card and a MyHD card.
TW
...I would think either a Parallels XP or Boot Camp dual-boot scenario should work for the recording, and that pushing to D-Vhs might be more stable via OSX firewire tools. Am I correct here?
I've been told by someone here that Parallels does not support usb 2.0 yet.
I'm still looking for the perfect setup. The imac can be used to push streams out via firewire (if tv has firewire)- and does ok. But you have to 'load the tape' (load file) just like a d-vhs. I would prefer not to do that. I tried vivdlogic's firebus dtv recorder software- which would work perfect for me- if it worked. Within 5 minutes of testing it, I had my laptop locked up, and my tv locked up. While it was working, it was what I wanted- from the d-net menu on the tv I could select from a list of available ts files to watch. Firewire doesn't look like a long term solution though as it looks like there are fewer and fewer new sets that have it anymore.
For kicks, I also tried the imac hooked up to the tv via vga. I used vlc to play some ts streams. Didn't work, not enough horsepower- vlc obviously not optimized yet for Intel cpu/gpu on imac. Maybe there is some other mac program that will play ts streams, I don't know. (My hp business laptop with sempron cpu and Radeon Xpress 1150 can play through external vga 1920x1080 via vlc no problem). After one week with imac/osx, I'm ready to get rid of it. It's kinda cool in some ways, but has its own quirks (like why do some programs close when clicking on the x and others need to be closed from the finder menu, why can't I turn off font smoothing, etc).
Next on the list- media player box that will play ts streams via network connection.
Oh well, in the meantime I just keep collecting my ts streams, storing them on big hard drives.
HDTVFanAtic 10-21-06, 02:16 PM I was transferring some high quality (+25Mbit) HDTV recordings to dvhs. I noticed that if the file was on the internal drive, I would get glitches on the tape. If the file was on an external or network drive, the DVHS tape would be glitch free.
And what HDTV recordings do you have on your computer that are +25Mbit and where did you get them?
jdonovan 10-25-06, 06:26 AM I'm using a Dish 211, and most of my recordings of my local network stations are now coming through in H.264. SageTV seems to be able to handle some of the 720P content, with the limitation of no FF/RW. However it can't cope with the 1080P that some of the sports are being broadcast with now.
I have tried a variety of players with limited success.
Elecard player:
It looks like there is an interlacing/deinterlacing problem. Static, or slow movement scenes are fine, sports or other fast action I can see the interlaced fields, and the viewing experience is poor.
I've also tried the VideoLan, quicktime7 and the list goes on and on
This is not specifically a R5000 problem as they are just capturing what the satellite providers are broadcasting. However, the utility of the R5000 is substantially reduced if the users can not watch the captured video in a reasonable fashion. Also with other channels moving to H.264 this is going to be a bigger and bigger problem.
So someone else out there in R5000 land is capturing H.264, and watching it.... how are you doing it?
MPC with CoreAVC pro. Used this software when STARZ was mpeg4.
Anyways mpeg4 caps from Dish are sub-par to say the least.
moshmothma 10-25-06, 09:47 AM So someone else out there in R5000 land is capturing H.264, and watching it.... how are you doing it?
I tried Elecard, VLC , FFDshow and a variety of filters. In the end Coreavc (with Haali Splittter) is the only thing that worked.
I also needed to update my dvr to the latest. The version I was using was not capturing the mpeg4 streams correctly.
In the end the StarzHD caps are not very good. I don't think you are missing much there at all. (Compared with some of the mpeg4 caps from the European HD stations which are superior!!)
mkerdman 10-25-06, 01:58 PM Is StarzHD the only National (not counting any HD Locals) Dish HD Channel?
Ron Tobin 10-25-06, 02:08 PM Is StarzHD the only National (not counting any HD Locals) Dish HD Channel?
I assume you are referring to MPEG4. I'm pretty sure NFL Network is H.264 as well.
HDTVFanAtic 10-28-06, 01:23 AM I remember going through this last year - but don't remember the answer. Daylight Savings Time reverts back on Sunday Morning.
TitanTV - ShowtimeHD
Shows Pauly Shore is Dead at 1:00AM
Shows Boyz N the Hood at 1:20AM (obviously as the hour repeats).
However, when you click on any title after 2am, such as Boyz N the Hood, it goes into the PVR as 2:20AM. Weeds, for example, Sunday night at 9pm, when you make a reservation puts it in for 10PM.
Will the R5000HD automatically adjust these in the reservation at 2am on Sunday Morning - or will everything be off by 1 hour and need to be manually adjusted?
If so, you need to pay special attention to any pre-existing reservations.
And if someone actually wanted to capture Pauly Shore is Dead (I can't imagine anyone would, but just for example), as TitanTV would supply data that it is on from 1:00am - 2:20am, would it actually run until 2:20am or would it adjust itself to cut off at 1:20am the first time......or the second time, lol.
balazer 10-29-06, 01:23 AM http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7416014#post7416014
mkerdman 10-29-06, 02:10 AM I assume you are referring to MPEG4. I'm pretty sure NFL Network is H.264 as well.
Yes, (typo) I did mean MPEG4 H.264.
HDTVFanAtic 10-29-06, 04:18 AM http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7416014#post7416014
fwiw, events that started prior to the 2am fallback seemed to end correctly - However, as noted with TitanTV, anything that started after 2am seemed to be off by an hour.
timecop 10-31-06, 01:58 AM Question not quite technical but somewhat related to R5000HD:
Just how legal is this modification?
I realize the customer owns the box, the modification picks up signals that are inside the receivers 'in the clear' and no circumvention of access control (you can only record what you subscribe to) takes place.
But, it is a 'direct digital' copy, and there are no limits to the number of consequent copies to be made, etc, so why isnt MPAA/RIAA and other four-letter acronyms going after this product?
Can someone explain this situation a little? Just wondering, what keeps products such as 169time and R5000HD 'in the legal' while one (if not the only) clear use of them (as far as MPAA+etc is concerned) is to perform copyright infringements?
Thanks
balazer 10-31-06, 02:36 AM Fair use copying is permitted under the law. The DMCA prohibits circumvention of copy protection. Thus Nextcom will not modify a receiver that has a recordable copy protected output (i.e. DTCP FireWire). But some receivers have no copy protection (i.e. they have unprotected analog outputs, and no digital outputs). There's nothing in the DMCA that says you can't add a recordable digital output to these receivers. Recording could be covered under fair use.
Modifying a receiver that has HDCP but not DTCP is a bit of a grey area, in my opinion. I personally would say that modifying such a receiver would be a violation of the DMCA, since the receivers do incorporate some form of copy protection. But I guess some people reason that since the analog output is recordable, and the HDMI output isn't designed to be recorded, and there isn't any DTCP - a type of protection designed specifically for recordable outputs - that adding another recordable output doesn't circumvent any copy protection.
HDTVFanAtic 10-31-06, 02:40 AM I do not have a legal degree, but I do disagree with your premise of circumventing copyright infringement.
In the USA, in the betamax case, it was ruled you are allowed one copy for your personal use - that is legal.
That is exactly what this modification does - allows you to make the one copy for your personal use that was ruled legal. If someone makes more than one copy, just like if they made more than one copy of a VHS or Betamax tape, that is not problem of Sony, JVC, Panasonic or whoever made the VHS or Betamax recorder.
Now if someone uses it for illegal activities , which I think we would have seen evidence of, if it existed, then I am sure those people will be prosecuted - just as a Bootleg VHS operation would be.
It is not circumeventing any copyright protection as there is no copyright protection in place on these older STBs.
You are only exercising your right as given by the court ruling for a personal copy.
Quite frankly, as Dish and Directv do not have an option to allow you to make a copy for your personal use, this device helps give the consumer the right ruled on by the Court.
balazer 10-31-06, 02:43 AM In the USA, in the betamax case, it was ruled you are allowed one copy for your personal use - that is legal.Personal copying is legal, unless you circumvent copy protection. Remember that the DMCA came along well after the Betamax case.
HDTVFanAtic 10-31-06, 02:45 AM Personal copying is legal, unless you circumvent copy protection. Remember that the DMCA came along well after the Betamax case.
I didn't say it wasn't legal :confused:
timecop 10-31-06, 02:50 AM Ah ha.
So if this mod is installed into a receiver with firewire (theoretically) then it would be considered illegal/circumventing protection, because there is already a legitimate copy-protected output (firewire)?
So - the excuse is that it goes into 'old' devices with no other usable recordable outputs, and thats what makes it OK?
HDTVFanAtic 10-31-06, 03:46 AM I wouldnt say its the excuse, actually its the letter of the law.
IamMike 10-31-06, 10:39 AM Has anybody tried this with cband yet? I've got it set up and working on my system, and while it has potential it's a real PITA to use. Everytime you change channels, it tries to move the dish. Even if you make the timeout on moving the dish 1 second, it still takes forever to change as it's reselecting the satellite on the 4dtv receiver each time you change channels. The end result is you wind up with a minimum of 20 or 30 seconds delay going between channels. I'd love to be able to use Sage with live TV but it's basically unusable when you have to wait that long. Has anybody figured out how to make this work more smoothly?
It sure would be nice if the r5000 mod would be smart enough to not go through the satellite selection/dish moving logic if the channel requested was on the same sat as the channel currently being viewed.
Does anybody have Sage and r5000 on a 4DTV system working well? Just curious if the problem I was experiencing back in May has been addressed yet.
I use it and it works well for me, but I don't watch live tv via sage client. I just let it record and use a Roku HD1000 to playback recorded SD and HD streams. I can see that channel surfing might be a bit slow with the satellite changes, then channel change.
Darin
IamMike 10-31-06, 04:01 PM I use it and it works well for me, but I don't watch live tv via sage client. I just let it record and use a Roku HD1000 to playback recorded SD and HD streams. I can see that channel surfing might be a bit slow with the satellite changes, then channel change.
Darin
Darin,
Thanks for the info. That's about what I expected. I'm playing around with GBPVR and a PVR card right now to see if I can write a GBPVR channel changer that might work a little better with the r5000, but didn't want to waste my time if they already had it working well with Sage.
Mike
Does anybody have Sage and r5000 on a 4DTV system working well? Just curious if the problem I was experiencing back in May has been addressed yet.
The last version I tried for 4DTV was bad at error handling. If there were/are significant errors in the stream the application (R5000) would crash, causing Sage to crash. Often Sage would not exit properly as well making a restart or cold boot neccessary.
All in all I thought it was not ready for prime time; IMO very lame.
Willie
HDTVFanAtic 11-04-06, 01:34 AM I use Acronis True Image for making copies of Hard Drives. I will set all my machines up that use MyHD or R5000HD Devices with a 20GB C:\ with the software and o/s and use a D:\ for all the data.
That way, if something happens, you can restore the c:\ with all the programs from another machine if need be. I used to use Norton Ghost, but that had issues as Hard Drive sizes got bigger and bigger - and Acronis seems to be much safer and more versatile.
Anyway, when restoring a C:\ drive using Acronis True Image, it normally will try to reboot at the beginning - and brings the program up in Linux - I assume - for restoration purposes. As it loads the drivers, when it hits the USB with the R5000HD in it essentially blows up and errors out.
I suspect that it thinks the R5000HD usb device is either a usb mouse/keyboard device or an external drive and it does not get the proper response - so the linux load errors out.
If you unplug the R5000HD from the USB port, of course it loads and restores fine - just as it Windows XP will do on the next boot with the R5000HD plugged in.
But regardless, I am wondering if anyone knows how to make this work with the R5000HD plugged in - so Acronis does not blow up on the drivers load in Linux?
It's just hard to remember to unplug the device when when you are doing this - especially as you do it so seldom.
As it loads the drivers, when it hits the USB with the R5000HD in it essentially blows up and errors out.
I don't think the problem is limited to the r5000, I tried True Image some time ago and had the same problem if I had a usb memory stick inserted- it would give some kind of error and blow up.
I use ghost2003 (dos mode), ghost32(booted into WinPE), and DriveSnapshot. Once I have a system setup like I want, I make a ghost image and put it on a bootable dvd. If I need to restore, just boot from dvd, restore image, done. For regular backups, I use DriveSnapshot- a 160Kb program that will backup system partition WHILE you are running Windows. Its fast, and works great (make sure big video/audio files/folders are not on system partition). Also make sure your backups are not on the same physical drive, otherwise WHEN the drive quits your backups are also gone.
I have tried about every version of every drive imaging program out there- I like the 3 listed above and use them daily (at work). If you get ghost, don't bother with the versions newer than 2003 (after they bought powerquest/driveimage).
I don't remember why I didn't like True Image, but I think it was because of the boot failure with some usb devices plugged in.
HDTVFanAtic 11-04-06, 06:14 AM I don't think the problem is limited to the r5000, I tried True Image some time ago and had the same problem if I had a usb memory stick inserted- it would give some kind of error and blow up.
I use ghost2003 (dos mode), ghost32(booted into WinPE), and DriveSnapshot. Once I have a system setup like I want, I make a ghost image and put it on a bootable dvd. If I need to restore, just boot from dvd, restore image, done. For regular backups, I use DriveSnapshot- a 160Kb program that will backup system partition WHILE you are running Windows. Its fast, and works great (make sure big video/audio files/folders are not on system partition). Also make sure your backups are not on the same physical drive, otherwise WHEN the drive quits your backups are also gone.
I have tried about every version of every drive imaging program out there- I like the 3 listed above and use them daily (at work). If you get ghost, don't bother with the versions newer than 2003 (after they bought powerquest/driveimage).
I don't remember why I didn't like True Image, but I think it was because of the boot failure with some usb devices plugged in.
You are correct its not limited to the R5000HD.
Actually I have a Dell Computer that will not boot with the R5000HD plugged into the system - it wont even start the load - freezing before it posts.
But the reason i do not like Ghost is that it has a limit of around 1TB which it melts down afterwards.
Symantec also will not support Raid with the program - so they haven't addressed the 1TB limit either as no hard drive has made it to that size.
Actually I have a Dell Computer that will not boot with the R5000HD plugged into the system - it wont even start the load - freezing before it posts.
I have had that also with both a new hp business laptop and a desktop pc with an 915 intel motherboard. I have usb boot turned off in BIOS, but doesn't make any difference. Some usb devices just seem to freak out some BIOS's I guess.
But the reason i do not like Ghost is that it has a limit of around 1TB which it melts down afterwards.
Symantec also will not support Raid with the program - so they haven't addressed the 1TB limit either as no hard drive has made it to that size.
I wouldn't know where to put >1TB of data anyway (that may change in a few years). I have a file server with raid5 (3ware card) that I store alot of ts files on (data partition). If 1 drive quits, I'll be ok, but other stuff could happen that would take out the array. If that happens, I'll just live with the loss of files, not the end of the world. Important stuff goes on dvd's (more than 1 copy).
I can boot into ghost dos version and backup raid drives- at least I've done it with 3ware cards, promise cards, and others. If I boot into WinPE and run ghost32, then I need to have the driver installed for the raid card.
HDTVFanAtic 11-04-06, 12:22 PM I wouldn't know where to put >1TB of data anyway (that may change in a few years). I have a file server with raid5 (3ware card) that I store alot of ts files on (data partition). If 1 drive quits, I'll be ok, but other stuff could happen that would take out the array. If that happens, I'll just live with the loss of files, not the end of the world. Important stuff goes on dvd's (more than 1 copy).
I can boot into ghost dos version and backup raid drives- at least I've done it with 3ware cards, promise cards, and others. If I boot into WinPE and run ghost32, then I need to have the driver installed for the raid card.
Actually I wasn't backing up 1TB of data.
Again, I was trying to restore the C:\ Partition on a raid drive over 1TB total size - although the C:\ was only 20Gig.
Ghost will not see a 1TB drive even if trying to restore only a 20Gig Partition on it.
I agree, I have been able to use ghost with Raid and Raid Hardware under 1TB - it just does not see a drive if the total size is over 1TB - so thats a no go.
And Symantec's official response is they do not support raid - though they know it works in some cases - and as no Hard Drives are over 1 TB without Raid, they will not address the issue.
I *believe* it has to do with what can actually be addressed in the memory limits of Dos Ghost - and once you hit something around 1TB, it cannot deal with it and thus it sees no drive.
However, with 750Gig Drives out now, they had better come up with a solution relatively soon as that excuse will not fly much longer.
Actually I wasn't backing up 1TB of data.
Again, I was trying to restore the C:\ Partition on a raid drive over 1TB total size - although the C:\ was only 20Gig.
Ghost will not see a 1TB drive even if trying to restore only a 20Gig Partition on it.
I misunderstood. I get it now.
I wonder if ghost32 (32-bit "dos" version that runs in Windows) has that problem also. I boot into WinPE and run that when I want to use an external usb drive or network share to store the image, and its a lot faster than running the dos version.
Backing up is easy. Restoring- that's where the problems start showing up.
You may want to take a look at DriveSnapshot (web site same as name), you can try it for 30 days. Also, I have used DriveImage (an older version- with NTFS support, before they screwed it up). But I don't know if there is any drive size limits to these either.
HDTVFanAtic 11-05-06, 07:27 AM Does anyone know what this new "View Program Mappings" is in the utility section of the DVR? I have opened it and looked at it - and still have no idea what it really is or what it does.
Also, same question about the R5000HD Control Panel in the PVR that is greyed out - and I cannot open.
http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/dvr_manual/dvr_manual_suppliment.htm
mkerdman 11-05-06, 02:15 PM After installing the SageTV or Multi versions of R500HD and entering the Device Code you gave me for my Dish 6000 and entering OK, the R5000HD dialog goes from “Idle” to “Remote Off” and simply closes.
What must I do to remedy this?
Thanks in advance.
HDTVFanAtic 11-05-06, 08:21 PM http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/dvr_manual/dvr_manual_suppliment.htm
I have read that and quite frankly, it still makes no sense to me as the channels showing when it comes up don't include any that I have watched - and as it shows 8 channels - while the transponder only has 2 HD Channels - none of which are on the list - so it really makes no sense to my feeble brain.
IamMike 11-06-06, 11:31 AM I have read that and quite frankly, it still makes no sense to me as the channels showing when it comes up don't include any that I have watched - and as it shows 8 channels - while the transponder only has 2 HD Channels - none of which are on the list - so it really makes no sense to my feeble brain.
Just a guess, but there are some unscrambled channels receivable by 4dtv units that aren't in the 4dtv channel maps. I know there are some PBS channels like that. Maybe the extra channels are on the transponder but not mapped to your 4dtv system.
You don't need to worry much about 4DTV channel mapping. It is only an issue when the received transport stream contains an unscrambled channel. This is very rare, even the PBS channels were scrambled but using something like a universal key so any 4DTV receiver that had been authorized for any other channel could receive them. I think the Wealth TV channels might be unscrambled but I can't think of any others.
The Starchoice system had several unscrambled channels which have been maped by Nextcom so they are only an issue if they move to a new transponder or new ones are added.
John
scarbrtj 11-08-06, 10:46 PM Quick qu guys. I have browsed the boards and I can't seem to find an outright answer. More important, I am quite "stuck" at the moment and usually I never say die but alas I must ask for help.
I am trying to get StarzHD (h.264) caps to play back in WMP10 and/or Windows MCE. Of course all other channels play back fine. I have tried selecting the Cyberlink decoder or NVIDIA decoder in Windows decoder plugin checkup utility (they both work great for mpeg2). I have tried the hd264 plugin pack from cyberlink and latest/greatest purevideo from NVIDIA. No dice!!!! CoreAVC does not work. I have tried installing, uninstalling, etc. I wish I could find what I'm doing wrong.
Any suggestions????
brooklotzkar 11-12-06, 02:57 PM Hello, I am thinking of buying the R5000 for my HTPC, but I have a problem. It says that it works with "Bell ExpressVu: Bell 6000 (Records all HD channels from ExpressVu. Also records SDTV MPEG2 ExpressVU channels).", but I have this receiver (http://www.bell.ca/shopping/62129.details) -- also known as the 9200. Do you think that R5000 will work with this receiver?
HDTVFanAtic 11-12-06, 03:12 PM Hello, I am thinking of buying the R5000 for my HTPC, but I have a problem. It says that it works with "Bell ExpressVu: Bell 6000 (Records all HD channels from ExpressVu. Also records SDTV MPEG2 ExpressVU channels).", but I have this receiver (http://www.bell.ca/shopping/62129.details) -- also known as the 9200. Do you think that R5000 will work with this receiver?
Well, lol, "Do you think the R5000 will work" or "will they modify it" are 2 different questions.
The BEV 6100 = Dish 811 which Nextcom will not modified
The BEV 9200 = either Dish 921 or 924, cannot remember which, I think its the later, but Nextcom will not modify it as of this post. I doubt they will retrofit this unit at this time as E* has moved to the ViP series.
Currently only the BEV 6000 is the only BEV unit Nextcom offers for modificaiton.
brooklotzkar 11-12-06, 03:39 PM Sorry DBL post!
brooklotzkar 11-12-06, 03:41 PM Well, lol, "Do you think the R5000 will work" or "will they modify it" are 2 different quetions.
The BEV 6100 = Dish 811 which Nextcom will not modified
The BEV 9200 = either Dish 921 or 924, cannot remember which, I think its the later, but Nextcom will not modify it.
Currently only the BEV 6000 is the only BEV unit Nextcom offers for modificaiton.
So is there anyway for the R5000 to work on my receiver?
HDTVFanAtic 11-12-06, 05:08 PM So is there anyway for the R5000 to work on my receiver?
I'm sure that there is probably some way - but if you had the technical knowledge to accomplish that - you probably wouldnt need the R5000HD unit in the first place.
You aren't going to ship it to them and have them modify it as of this post - that's for certain.
brooklotzkar 11-12-06, 10:43 PM I'm sure that there is probably some way - but if you had the technical knowledge to accomplish that - you probably wouldnt need the R5000HD unit in the first place.
You aren't going to ship it to them and have them modify it as of this post - that's for certain.
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
He means as of today, Nextcom doesn't do the mod for that particular STB. Email Nextcom and see what they say.
shanewalker 11-13-06, 11:50 AM I'm close to pulling the trigger on the R5000HD. I'm thinking of getting my E* 622 modded in the next couple of months.
Two concerns I have for the group here are: 1) How does the mod affect service/warranty if anything goes awry w/ the basic unit. Anything to worry about here? 2) What are folks doing to deal w/ their MPEG-4 content? It's common knowledge that all the new HD on E* will be MPEG-4 are and I believe a growing number of the existing channels switching over in the next 8-10 months...and I don't want to have increasingly limited functionality w/ this mod/solution. Anyone figure out a way to transcode the MPEG-4 streams to MPEG-2 for D-VHS archiving (is that even theoretically possible--as that would be ideal for me)?
Thanks.
I just installed my R-5000 last night and did a copule of short test direct recordings late last night. Seemed to work good - excpt for the one when I tripped over the USB cable to the pc. Today I have been pulling my hair out trying to get the PVR to work with the Titan epg. I registered with Titan, they sent a welcome e-mail and I returned the confirmation. When I log on to their web site - all is well - it shows my programing. However, the PVR keeps saying "invalid uuid (or something like that) you must sign up for an account with titan." It shows my recordings in "que" but it never records them. Any suggestions or ideas where I can get more help/info? The R5000HD guide does not seem to give much help on this :( . Thanks - PK
PS I also purchased the Sage program - but haven't fiddled with that yet. Is that one better? Easier to use/get to work?
mkerdman 11-14-06, 12:54 AM All my R5000 recordings scheduled by SageTV are recorded in the .mpg format.
Why are they are not .ts files and is there a way to change that since MyHD does not play .mpg files and I do not want to have to go through and manually rename them, even if that would work?
Also, do you know if there would be any reason why I should not be able to begin playback of a file with MyHD while the SageTV triggered file is being recorded by R5000?
Thanks,
balazer 11-14-06, 01:09 AM They are really transport streams. SageTV is just giving them the wrong extension.
mkerdman 11-14-06, 02:05 AM They are really transport streams. SageTV is just giving them the wrong extension.
Is there a way to force SageTV to simply have R5000-HD record it's default transport steam files?
I just purchased the Dish 211 with the R5000 mod from Nextcom with the Sage EPG. When I attempt to install it asks me for the "license kes (or something like that) for each device. Where do I find these? There was nothing in the box with my receiver explaining or giving any codes for the sage service-just the stock dishnetwork manual and cables AND the R5000 USB cable. No acknowledgement that this was anything othere then a standard Dish 211.
I then tried installing the software version without sage - just the free TitanTV epg. I signed on and registered. Every time I go on the web to there page I can sign on just fine. However, the R5000HD's pvr program keeps telling me that I have to sign up for a free account with Titan.
Finally, this is very frustrating, as when I try to e-mail tech support it is always rejected because they "won't accept mail from an unidentified source. I went thru Outlook Express procedures for making myself visable, but it still does not seem to work. The directions that Nextcom gives are VERY VERY LIMITED and not sufficient, nor is the FAQ. Is there any way to call or write directly to them? I paid over $800 for this, so I would like to get a little more in the way of help files or assistance. Anyone else have these problems? Any ideas for solutions? Thanks - PK :(
I just purchased the Dish 211 with the R5000 mod from Nextcom with the Sage EPG. When I attempt to install it asks me for the "license kes (or something like that) for each device. Where do I find these? There was nothing in the box with my receiver explaining or giving any codes for the sage service-just the stock dishnetwork manual and cables AND the R5000 USB cable. No acknowledgement that this was anything othere then a standard Dish 211.
I then tried installing the software version without sage - just the free TitanTV epg. I signed on and registered. Every time I go on the web to there page I can sign on just fine. However, the R5000HD's pvr program keeps telling me that I have to sign up for a free account with Titan.
Finally, this is very frustrating, as when I try to e-mail tech support it is always rejected because they "won't accept mail from an unidentified source. I went thru Outlook Express procedures for making myself visable, but it still does not seem to work. The directions that Nextcom gives are VERY VERY LIMITED and not sufficient, nor is the FAQ. Is there any way to call or write directly to them? I paid over $800 for this, so I would like to get a little more in the way of help files or assistance. Anyone else have these problems? Any ideas for solutions? Thanks - PK :(
Do you have another email account? They will email the key, Nextcom responded within the hour when I emailed for mine.
I just installed my R-5000 last night and did a copule of short test direct recordings late last night. Seemed to work good - excpt for the one when I tripped over the USB cable to the pc. Today I have been pulling my hair out trying to get the PVR to work with the Titan epg. I registered with Titan, they sent a welcome e-mail and I returned the confirmation. When I log on to their web site - all is well - it shows my programing. However, the PVR keeps saying "invalid uuid (or something like that) you must sign up for an account with titan." It shows my recordings in "que" but it never records them. Any suggestions or ideas where I can get more help/info? The R5000HD guide does not seem to give much help on this :( . Thanks - PK
PS I also purchased the Sage program - but haven't fiddled with that yet. Is that one better? Easier to use/get to work?
I'm using Sage and it works great, just like a regular DVR(TiVo-cable/sat). You have to add some lines in the Sage properties files and a bit of setup in Sage for it to utilize the R5000 encoder, but it's all relatively straight-forward.
http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/sagetv.htm
Using the R5000-HD with SageTV
I'm using Sage and it works great, just like a regular DVR(TiVo-cable/sat). You have to add some lines in the Sage properties files and a bit of setup in Sage for it to utilize the R5000 encoder, but it's all relatively straight-forward.
http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/sagetv.htm
Using the R5000-HD with SageTV
Thanks Keenan for the help. I think I finally got the email to go thru to them. Also, I apologize if I seemed "testy" in my first inquiry. I stayed up way too late trying to get things to work and I was very frustrated. I have now got things working with the TitanTV, I think. Only 1 problem: When it records to the default C drive root directory everything is fine. When I re-direct recoding to a subdirectory "recordings" of my r5000 directory, all I get are a few seconds of jerky playback and then freeze and lock up. Question: Is it required that recordings go to C root directory? My C drive is pretty much just operationg system. I keep everything else on other drives. I hope I don't have to record to C:, and that maybe it will be okay on another drive - that the problem was that it ws a subdirectory of R5000hd.
Thanks again Keenan for your help and have a great day - PK
You can record to any drive. I use several different ones including one on a USB port.
John
docchak 11-14-06, 06:18 PM All my R5000 recordings scheduled by SageTV are recorded in the .mpg format.
Why are they are not .ts files and is there a way to change that since MyHD does not play .mpg files and I do not want to have to go through and manually rename them, even if that would work?
Also, do you know if there would be any reason why I should not be able to begin playback of a file with MyHD while the SageTV triggered file is being recorded by R5000?
Thanks,
If you want it in .TS you must rename it at dos prompt, cannot do that in windows, that got me for a while, especially if you are interested in writing the .ts file on to the HD DVD to play it on the Toshiba player without lengthy conversion
balazer 11-14-06, 07:19 PM You can change file extensions in Windows. Just make sure "hide extensions" is turned off in Explorer folder options.
Thanks Keenan for the help. I think I finally got the email to go thru to them. Also, I apologize if I seemed "testy" in my first inquiry. I stayed up way too late trying to get things to work and I was very frustrated.
Not a problem, I learned a long time ago, that if things are not going right no matter what you try, just to walk away and try it again later, it's amazing the clarity you can get from a good nights rest and starting over from the beginning. :)
mkerdman 11-18-06, 12:53 AM I recently bought (3) Dish 211's, had them modified by Nextcom.
Getting past the initial hurdles of a complex installation such as this, I am happy to report that with he help of Nextcom tech support, I have successfully enabled (3) Dish 2111 Multi-Instance simultaneous R5000-HD recording with no problems to report.
See the attached screen shot of a test of (3) simultaneous recordings off local HD channels. (the 64 failed transfers were not an issue nor was the appearance of weak "Pushing it" signal levels).
I may add a modified Dish 622 to the setup to enable (4) devices.
I find it advisable to pad each recording by 2 minutes and never have the same tuner perform back-to-back recordings if your event scheduling allows it.
I will now proceed to enable SageTV scheduling & control of the (3) R5000 modified Dish 211's and report back.
Thanks to Nextcom for creating such a unique, robust & flexible solution for capturing HD for viewing and archiving.
Joseph Clark 11-18-06, 01:59 AM I recently bought (3) Dish 211's, had them modified by Nextcom.
Getting past the initial hurdles of a complex installation such as this, I am happy to report that with he help of Nextcom tech support, I have successfully enabled (3) Dish 2111 Multi-Instance simultaneous R5000-HD recording with no problems to report.
See the attached screen shot of a test of (3) simultaneous recordings off local HD channels. (the 64 failed transfers were not an issue nor was the appearance of weak "Pushing it" signal levels).
I may add a modified Dish 622 to the setup to enable (4) devices.
I find it advisable to pad each recording by 2 minutes and never have the same tuner perform back-to-back recordings if your event scheduling allows it.
I will now proceed to enable SageTV scheduling & control of the (3) R5000 modified Dish 211's and report back.
Thanks to Nextcom for creating such a unique, robust & flexible solution for capturing HD for viewing and archiving.
And it's still pretty much the only game in town. Double thanks. This is a great company.
HDTVFanAtic 11-18-06, 05:15 AM I recently bought (3) Dish 211's, had them modified by Nextcom.
Getting past the initial hurdles of a complex installation such as this, I am happy to report that with he help of Nextcom tech support, I have successfully enabled (3) Dish 2111 Multi-Instance simultaneous R5000-HD recording with no problems to report.
See the attached screen shot of a test of (3) simultaneous recordings off local HD channels. (the 64 failed transfers were not an issue nor was the appearance of weak "Pushing it" signal levels).
I may add a modified Dish 622 to the setup to enable (4) devices.
I find it advisable to pad each recording by 2 minutes and never have the same tuner perform back-to-back recordings if your event scheduling allows it.
I will now proceed to enable SageTV scheduling & control of the (3) R5000 modified Dish 211's and report back.
Thanks to Nextcom for creating such a unique, robust & flexible solution for capturing HD for viewing and archiving.
Out of curiosity what hard drive(s) are you using in the computer? Number/Make/Size/Speed/Cache/Number/Connection and Raid/Type.
Curious to see what you need to as those bars look to clearly be pushing it.
It looks like his HTPC's I/O can not handle all that streams.
docchak 11-19-06, 07:21 AM What is the quality of the stream when you do it 3 at once?
mkerdman 11-19-06, 01:39 PM I built a P4 2.4 with 2MB RAM and a 3Ware IDE RAID card to which I attached (10) + (1) (RAID 5) WD/Seagate/Maxtor 250 GB hard drives.
I believe I recall that Nextcom reported that (4) R5000 devices can be simultaneously used on a 1.8G Celeron.
See the attached prelim photo (I have since added a 2U 17" Rack mounted Keyboard - Monitor).
With (3) R5000 devices, and even in simultaneous record mode, my logs show very few failed transfers or errors, which I would say are on a par with my experience with a single R5000 device failures .
In fact my only errors in the last 25 captures were on 3 recordings after the program had been captured (i.e. 2h5m3s = 0 failures; and then 4 28s 0 byte recordings) with various channels all on satellite 110).
I have had no "Stream possibly missing data or errors" in the last week since locking down this configuration.
I probably will add a 4th R5000 device by having Nextcom modify tuner #2 of my Dish 622 and also attempt to enable SageTV control:
Support for SageTV: "Network Encoder" server added for seamless integration with SageTV.
Multi-Instance Support: Multiple DVRs can be launched (for each tuner device) and simultaneous recordings made. Up to ***4*** DVRs can run simultaneously and record full HD streams using very modest PC requirements (1.8G Celeron, 512MB system memory).
Beta Versions:
New DVR and PVR versions ***remove limit of 4 connected USB devices. ***The limit of running 4 instances of the multi-instance version still exists. Muxing in of incorrect SAP for Dish 211/622 has been addressed. OTR code changes. Disk2Tape utility now reads "100%" when stream is finished instead of "99%".
I have the Nextcom R-5000HD on a dish 211. Just received from Nextcom 1 week ago , and a JVC DH-5U. The R-5000hd records to hard drive most the time just fine. However, on one movie recorded from HBOHD (which is mpeg-2), it will play for about 1+1/2 minutes, and then always freezes at the same place. Even if I pause, then moving the VLC player slider beyon the freeze point, the player staying frozen at the point I hit pause. It will never play beyond that point 1 1/2 min into the recording.
Secondly, I recorded from StarzHD (which is mpeg-4?). This one is also unwatchable. It plays, again for 1-2 minutes with some very strange artifacts (kind of like stirring up an oil/water mix. The persons mouth moves into there check as they speak
) before always freezing at the same point, and again there is no way it will ever play anything beyond that point. If this is cause its mpeg-4, then why? I've used both the VLC and Nero media players that are suppose to be able to play mpeg-4. Finally, is there anyone successfully rercording these? Is there a solution to convert these to mpeg-2 and copying to D-VHS?
Third, I tired hooking up the firewire from the JVC 5U to the computer, but Windows does not seem to configure it properly. The R-5000hd still says "no DVHS unit." IS there a special sequence of powering up before connecting the firewire cable? There aren't any setup driver disks with the 5U. Any ideas, or suggestions? I'd sure appreciate any input. Thanks - PK
mkerdman 11-19-06, 04:56 PM Does anyone know of a program that converts MPEG4 H.264 captures like those obtained by recording Starz-HD from Dish Network with R5000-HD to MPEG2 files playable on hardware like the MyHD card?
Thanks!
HDTVFanAtic 11-19-06, 10:40 PM I built a P4 2.4 with 2MB RAM and a 3Ware IDE RAID card to which I attached (10) + (1) (RAID 5) WD/Seagate/Maxtor 250 GB hard drives.
I never get failed transfers, fwiw - even with 1 250GB Drive - unless the signal bails in bad weather.
Buffer overflows are my nightmare though.
Anyway, I am curious about mixing those drives as WD and Seagate are ATA100 and Maxtors are ATA133. Also, you could have different caches (8mb vs 16mb) on those drives - not to mention they are not exactly the same size and specs.
Don't get me wrong, its a very nice setup - I am just a little nervous at seeing the Buffering always that high as well as the high amount of failed transfers.
Does anyone know of a program that converts MPEG4 H.264 captures like those obtained by recording Starz-HD from Dish Network with R5000-HD to MPEG2 files playable on hardware like the MyHD card?
Which HDTV monitor are you using? Does it have a firewire input?
mkerdman 11-19-06, 11:45 PM [QUOTE=HDTVFanAtic]
Anyway, I am curious about mixing those drives as WD and Seagate are ATA100 and Maxtors are ATA133. Also, you could have different caches (8mb vs 16mb) on those drives - not to mention they are not exactly the same size and specs.
It's been awhile since I built the RAID for OTA use, and so, I may not have mixed the 250 GB drives between brands/models as I mentioned. Now that I recall, they may all be Hitachi/IBM drives.
My main reason for wanting (4) R5000 devices is that I have no OTA HD where I moved to and hate the DVR my cable co. offes as well as their glitchy QAM signal.
So now, I can record/watch/delete the newtworks as well as the record/archive the premium channels using multiple R5000 "tuners".
Which HDTV monitor are you using? Does it have a firewire input?
No firewire input on my display.Why do you ask?
HDTVFanAtic 11-20-06, 02:09 AM No firewire input on my display.Why do you ask?
Well, the the DVI specs for computers vs HDTV are slightly different. Combine that with the MyHD Chroma bug and it might be better to send it out a firewire connector into your HDTV (if you had that possibility) which would alleviate the conversion of Mpeg4 to Mpeg2.
timecop 11-20-06, 03:28 AM Well, the the DVI specs for computers vs HDTV are slightly different. Combine that with the MyHD Chroma bug and it might be better to send it out a firewire connector into your HDTV (if you had that possibility) which would alleviate the conversion of Mpeg4 to Mpeg2.
Are you somehow suggesting that his TV would be able to decode H264/MPEG4 if it was sent via firewire? Or do you mean send the re-encoded mpeg2? (which wouldnt be helping him anyway as nothing can do it in realtime, never mind with good enough quality)
I tired hooking up the firewire from the JVC 5U to the computer, but Windows does not seem to configure it properly. The R-5000hd still says "no DVHS unit." IS there a special sequence of powering up before connecting the firewire cable? There aren't any setup driver disks with the 5U. Any ideas, or suggestions? I'd sure appreciate any input. Thanks - PK
Last night, after several attempts, I DID get the R5000hd DisktoTapeto output to my JVC HMDH5U. It seems I have to shut down the R5000 software (totally), disconnet the firewire cable from the 5U, reinstall the cable and re-start the R5000HD software. Then in the main r5000 pannel under Tape on the upper menu bar - both the "Transport" and the "Configure" options are in black and can be selected. It will then show the jvc5U when you select configure. Try using the media player window, and it will briefly show the 5u tape transport, but as soon as you try to use it it will show "no tape transport." I was able to record by going directly to TapetoDisk, but even then it is intermitten about starting. sometimes after a pause, I get an error message "unable to connect/find JVC 5U" (or something to that effect), followed by "DVR taking too long to respond (or something similar). Also, when the Disk to Tape recording was finished, the software only showed it was 99% complete-and still recording-even tho it was finished recording-you had to manually stop the recording. Any ideas what on earth I'm doing wrong? Thanks - PK
mkerdman 11-20-06, 02:13 PM You can change file extensions in Windows. Just make sure "hide extensions" is turned off in Explorer folder options.
Thanks, that worked.
But, why does SageTV tell R5000 to capture with a .mpg extension.
I thought SageTV just changed the Dish 211 channels and START > STOPPED the R5000-HD recording.
HDTVFanAtic 11-20-06, 06:37 PM Are you somehow suggesting that his TV would be able to decode H264/MPEG4 if it was sent via firewire? Or do you mean send the re-encoded mpeg2? (which wouldnt be helping him anyway as nothing can do it in realtime, never mind with good enough quality)
I haven't tried it but I would think he could find a player that worked satisfactorily with H264 and output that via IEEE1394 to the TV :confused:
I've stayed away from the h264 stuff - so I haven't tried any experimenting with what can and cannot be done.
timecop 11-20-06, 06:57 PM Nah, his TV would have to understand H264 encapsulated in MPEG2 Transport Stream AND have a H264 decoder, and there are currently no TVs with such feature.... Imagine if Dish DVR/STB had firewire... All you'd have to do is send this stuff via firewire to its internal H264 decoder and it would be on TV.. oh, wait...
mkerdman 11-20-06, 07:08 PM I asked if MyHD intended to support MPEG4 H.264 playback and was told they would not be adding any new codecs or decoders.
However, I think the market realities may change that, and/or, there will be other competative MPEG4 H.264 hardware decoder playback soloutions rather than just software decoder solutions.
However, I have not tried the latest nVidia or ATI GPU's with software like Pure Video or similar next-gen programs/software/decoders for playback of MPEG4 H.264.
balazer 11-20-06, 07:59 PM The MyHD's Janus (tl880) chip hasn't seen any changes in several years, so I wouldn't expect to see new decoding features anytime soon. I think the world of PC and network HD playback is diverging into the software-with-hardware-assistance camp (ATI & Nvidia) and the stand-alone hardware camp (LinkPlayer, etc.).
HDTVFanAtic 11-20-06, 11:25 PM Nah, his TV would have to understand H264 encapsulated in MPEG2 Transport Stream AND have a H264 decoder, and there are currently no TVs with such feature.... Imagine if Dish DVR/STB had firewire... All you'd have to do is send this stuff via firewire to its internal H264 decoder and it would be on TV.. oh, wait...
I would think the decoding would be done in the cpu with theatertek or some other codec and instead of outputing it to the video graphic card, there should be some type of way to route it out the ieee 1394 bus (vlc maybe???) - but then again, I haven't tried it so it well might be impossible.
It just seems it would bypass some of the issues with DVI output vs what a HDTV wants if it could be done that way.
And besides we know the of the DVI issue, the Green Grid issue with the Janus chips and the Chroma Bug which all affect the MyHD card.
timecop 11-21-06, 02:25 AM Since the only signal you can send over firewire to a TV would be MPEG2 Transport Stream, with MPEG2 HD or SD video, you would need something to encode it to such in real-time from whatever source you have. Quite unlikely with standard consumer systems.
He could, I suppose, encode it offline on a fast machine and use something like firebus (lol) to play it back to TV. Probably not something one would do to timeshift weekly soap operas.
shanewalker 11-21-06, 02:55 PM Does anyone know if Sorenson or Cleaner can work w/ transport streams of both MPEG-2 and H.264 varieties? Or if there is a way to turn the .ts into a compatible H.264 file that either of those can work with. If so, perhaps then you could do the MPEG-2 to MPEG-4 transcoding in standard fashion in those familiar utilities..if you can then, in turn, create a .ts from the MPEG-2 generated in those apps.
I hate to make a four step process out of it--but if there's a way to get the R5000 H.264 captures turned into a D-VHS 'friendly' playback-capable files, it'd be worth it.
Anyone?
mkerdman 11-23-06, 03:47 PM Would people with a Dish ViP 622 and R5000-HD please explain how they watch and pause live TV and occasionally schedule a recording open Tuner #2 while Tuner #1 is reserved for R5000-HD events.
Must you make a mental or written note as to the R5000 schedule for Tuner #1 and be careful to avoid accessing ti during scheduled events, or, is it more intuitive than that?
Generally, I am interested to know how you work with Tuner #1 being modded for R5000-HD events and Tuner#2 available for STB activities, live viewing, buffer/pausing and DVR scheduled events.
How do you know which tuner is on-screen; is there an OSD prompt in the menu and on the remote?
Thanks in advance.
mkerdman 11-23-06, 03:47 PM Would people with a Dish ViP 622 and R5000-HD please explain how they watch and pause live TV and occasionally schedule a recording open Tuner #2 while Tuner #1 is reserved for R5000-HD events.
Must you make a mental or written note as to the R5000 schedule for Tuner #1 and be careful to avoid accessing it during scheduled events, or, is it more intuitive than that?
Generally, I am interested to know how you work with Tuner #1 being modded for R5000-HD events and Tuner#2 available for STB activities, live viewing, buffer/pausing and DVR scheduled events.
How do you know which tuner is on-screen; is there an OSD prompt in the menu and on the remote?
Thanks in advance.
Joseph Clark 11-23-06, 06:56 PM Would people with a Dish ViP 622 and R5000-HD please explain how they watch and pause live TV and occasionally schedule a recording open Tuner #2 while Tuner #1 is reserved for R5000-HD events.
Must you make a mental or written note as to the R5000 schedule for Tuner #1 and be careful to avoid accessing ti during scheduled events, or, is it more intuitive than that?
Generally, I am interested to know how you work with Tuner #1 being modded for R5000-HD events and Tuner#2 available for STB activities, live viewing, buffer/pausing and DVR scheduled events.
How do you know which tuner is on-screen; is there an OSD prompt in the menu and on the remote?
Thanks in advance.
That's why I never modded the 622 - too many mental gymnastics, it seemed to me, not to create conflict with the timers. It seemed more trouble than it would be worth. Once in a while (though it's rare) I even forget with the 211 and screw up a recording.
mkerdman 11-24-06, 05:10 PM That's why I never modded the 622 - too many mental gymnastics, it seemed to me, not to create conflict with the timers. It seemed more trouble than it would be worth. Once in a while (though it's rare) I even forget with the 211 and screw up a recording.
Has anyone setup a working R5000-HD installation with a Dish ViP 622?
If so, how do you keep things straight ebtween the STB and the R5000-HD PVR.
Elektrizitat 11-29-06, 12:09 AM I'm recording HD video with my R5000 and love it. However, what do you all do with the files? I use HDTV to MPEG2 to convert my .TS files to either the reduced size .TS processed files (what is it throwing out when it does this?) ... or to MPEG2. However, I'd like to convert the files to something playable on my Playstation 3 - an AVC. I've used Gordian Knot to get Divx .AVI files but they don't play back on the PS3. Can anyone help me out here? Thanks!
Joseph Clark 11-29-06, 02:22 AM I'm recording HD video with my R5000 and love it. However, what do you all do with the files? I use HDTV to MPEG2 to convert my .TS files to either the reduced size .TS processed files (what is it throwing out when it does this?) ... or to MPEG2. However, I'd like to convert the files to something playable on my Playstation 3 - an AVC. I've used Gordian Knot to get Divx .AVI files but they don't play back on the PS3. Can anyone help me out here? Thanks!
HDTVtoMPEG2 is stripping out the null packets that the R5000 includes to make the files more universally playable with various hardware and software players. There's no picture or sound information that's lost. You can have the R5000 not bother with the null packets by setting the appropriate option. In the R5000 DVR application, go to the menu item Options>Preferences. In the dialogue box, select File Options, Bit Rate: Compressed (no filler pkts). You'll get a warning about it being a possibly incompatible stream. If your hardware and software can play the streams, you can save a lot of hard drive space this way.
Getting the files to play on the PS3, that's harder. We're having a lot of success getting the files to play on HD DVD players by authoring HD DVD high def programs onto regular DVD recordables. No such luck yet with Blu-ray. The latest Ulead Movie Factory 5+ software is supposed to be able to create Blu-ray discs directly, but I don't know anyone who's done it yet. Of course the Blu-ray recorders are still several hundred dollars and the Blu-ray recordable discs are about $20-25 each.
Brajesh 11-29-06, 09:49 AM Has anyone setup a working R5000-HD installation with a Dish ViP 622?
If so, how do you keep things straight ebtween the STB and the R5000-HD PVR.
I have this setup. It isn't hard to keep DVR vs. R5000 recordings separate. I create a list of all movies/shows I want to record, whether it goes to the DVR directly or my PC via R5000. Nothing overlaps, just to be safe. Basically, I record 'Lost', 'Gray's Anatomy', '24' & the occasional movie I don't want to permanently archive on the DVR. During those times, I make sure I don't have any R5000 recordings scheduled.
Elektrizitat 11-29-06, 10:26 AM Whoa Joe! Thanks for the reply - this is great info - thank you!
I did in fact just order a blu-ray writer and I have a Toshiba HD-DVD player so I'll search around the forums to see what I can find for info on authoring HD content onto regular DVD discs - I had no idea that was possible. Thank you!
~ Dan
P.S. You might hear from me again if I have trouble finding the info on authoring for the Toshiba. Thanks! ;)
Joseph Clark 11-29-06, 12:07 PM I did in fact just order a blu-ray writer and I have a Toshiba HD-DVD player so I'll search around the forums to see what I can find for info on authoring HD content onto regular DVD discs - I had no idea that was possible. Thank you!
P.S. You might hear from me again if I have trouble finding the info on authoring for the Toshiba. Thanks! ;)
Just in case you're having trouble:
HD HD DVD Authoring to DVD Media (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=705146&page=1&pp=30)
I have a 6000 w/the recording mod. I've found that most of my scheduled recordings will fail if the receiver was last tuned to an OTA HD channel. The log files indicate a few minutes of failed transfers (I have recordings set to fire 2 minutes before program start) and then it gives up about one minute into the scheduled recording.
I believe what the failures all have in common is that the last channel tuned was an OTA HD channel. Kind of like how on a 6000, if you tune an OTA channel for a few hours, and then hit the "guide" button on the remote, there is a big delay as it downloads the guide information.
Has anyone else run into this problem, and is there a solution? I could set the program timers to fire even earlier than 2 minutes before program start to get more time to tune the channel. I do notice that the channel eventually gets tuned - I just don't know how long after switching from the OTA HD channel it takes for things to settle down so I can record.
If I am on an on air signal too long, the smartcard takes a few minutes to reauthorize just like getting the guide. This would cause the recording failure you see. A fix would be to schedule a junk recording 10 mins. Before the real one to get the card reauthorized.
John
alanisrox69 12-10-06, 12:17 AM Just got a R5000 for my DTC25xx box. It works, but it's quite finicky.
For instance, I have to record Showtime (ch 436) first, or else all other channels lock up the software.
From the beginning....I get the box and hook it up...install the drivers with no sweat....eagerly wanted to test out CinemaxHD, so I tune to Channel 428 and clicked Record and the app just freezes. Then I try to record HBO (ch 407), same thing - it freezes. I tune to Showtime (ch 436) and it tells me there are multiple programs on the stream, so I map out Showtime and it added it to the mappings. Then I click Record, it works! Tune to CinemaxHD and it works now! HBO as well.
Later on....
I restarted my computer and reopen the programs, and now Cinemax won't record, nor HBO. Tune to Showtime, hit Record, it works. Tune to Cinemax, it works as well now.
So why do I have to record Showtime first and then the others work? Very weird.
Also, the PVR software seems to freeze A LOT. If I add some recordings on titantv.com, when the PVR software goes to poll and check for new additions, it locks up. Reopen it and it locks upon opening it. If I look at the "~tempX.tpvi" files (where X is a number), they have garbled characters in them. Very odd.
I usually have to repeatedly open the PVR software to finally get it to load without locking up. I've been fighting with it for the past 30mins and it just won't open....I give up.
The PVR software seems to have an issue with Cinemax, if I have it set to record say a Showtime show, and then Cinemax, the Cinemax program will just result in 5 0kb TS files.
Any idea how to fix the tuning issue, and/or the PVR issue?
Thanks!
-Derek-
balazer 12-10-06, 12:58 AM That shouldn't be... Check with Nextcom.
R5000-HD 12-12-06, 04:56 PM All R5000-HD Modifications are now 10% off plus free return shipping (ground only). Orders must be received before Jan. 1, 2007. Does not apply to pre-modified receivers. See sales page (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/sales.htm) for details.
-R
Is there any use waiting for a R5000-HD mod for mpeg4 DirecTV receivers? I have one mpeg2 unit, works awesome, would like several of them, but I am not spending $700 a piece for units only capable of decoding transmissions that are being phased out. Dish Network is not an option for me.
I've read that the newer DirecTV and Dish receivers use the same decoder chip, what stands in the way of installing the R5000-HD in the H20 or another mpeg4 unit?
Other than some of the local HD channels (not those in LA), it looks like all the other HD channels are still mpeg2 is this correct? I had thought I read somewhere in this thread StarzHD was h.264 however other than it being downrezzed to 1440x1080, it appear to be mpeg2.
Kirby Baker 12-14-06, 01:22 PM Other than some of the local HD channels (not those in LA), it looks like all the other HD channels are still mpeg2 is this correct? I had thought I read somewhere in this thread StarzHD was h.264 however other than it being downrezzed to 1440x1080, it appear to be mpeg2.
I cant speak for the 129 location, but at 61.5 Starz HD is most definitely H264, as is either Food or HGTV, I forget which.
I cant speak for the 129 location, but at 61.5 Starz HD is most definitely H264, as is either Food or HGTV, I forget which.
after I posted I looked it up on lyngsat and you are absolutely correct that StarzHD on 61.5 is mpeg4. For whatever reason, StarzHD is missing from http://www.lyngsat.com/hd/echo5.html . My recordings from StarzHD playback fine, can be edited and are identified as mpeg2 although it seems strange they would be mpeg2 on one satellite and mpeg4 on another.
Kirby Baker 12-14-06, 02:15 PM Yeah I had heard that 129 had Starz in MPEG-2 still, but I have no line of sight to 129. There were lots of complaints about Starz, either you go on 61.5 and get a very high bitrate (about 15mbit, H264) and it looks like crap because of the MPEG4 encoders, or you get it from 129, mpeg2, and quite low bitrate (10 or so?). For me, it wont matter, I am dropping all my movie packs except HBO.
Thanks Kirby. I hadn't really been following much of the bit rate discussions but FWIW, HDTVtoMPEG2 and VLC both identify a clip from StarzHD this morning at ~19.39 Mb/s. I'm half tempted to try and point at 61.5 to see the difference although from your comments, the mpeg4 version doesn't look so good so its probably a waste of time.
Kirby Baker 12-14-06, 02:46 PM That 19.39 is a ficticous number. StarzHD on 129 is sharing the transponder with HGTV-HD and National Geographic HD. It is probably running closer to 12 mbit. Or you are not recording in compressed mode (eliminates null packets). I think the max bitrate they can push out of a 8PSK transponder is around 38-39 mbit if my memory serves me well.
*edit* looks like NFL HD is on that same transponder as well.
I took your suggestion and changed to compressed mode. The bit rate on StarzHD@129 is ~9Mb/s whereas HBO-HD was ~15.5Mb/s. Ouch
HDTVFanAtic 12-14-06, 07:50 PM I took your suggestion and changed to compressed mode. The bit rate on StarzHD@129 is ~9Mb/s whereas HBO-HD was ~15.5Mb/s. Ouch
E* or D* have never sent HBO out at 15.5Mb/s. In fact, HBO-HD it is limited to 14.25Mb/s on its C Band distribution - and it seldom ever hits that - except on NON-TELECINE live performances shot with video.
So I have no idea where you are getting your numbers.
Now, if you are telling me Showtime HD hit that, I will believe you - as I have seen more 15.5Mbps to 16.50 Mbps Video (not total!) on Showtime in the last 4 weeks then I have seen in 2 years prior (off 148W).
Dish HBO-HD at 1:41pm today.
HDTVtoMPEG2 "Avg TS rate = 15.46 Mb/s" This must not be accurate.
After reading your post, I ran the same file thru VLC and you are defintely correct as the same clip in VLC has bit rates that bounce mainly between 9-12Mb/s
Thanks for your help. Now you have an idea where I am getting my numbers.
HDTVFanAtic 12-15-06, 02:11 AM Sounds like Wayne's World which ended at 1:45pm.
Direct from 127W C Band HBO Distribution:
1920 x 1080, 29.97 fps (25.47 fps Telecine), 14.25 Mbps (13.12 Mbps Average).
Average Video Quality: 62.90 KB/Frame, 0.25 Bits/Pixel.
AC3 Audio: 2/0 Channels (L, R), 48.0 kHz, 384 kbps.
Dialog Normalization: -27.0 dB
144542 video frames
177364 audio frames
fwiw, HBO-HD West is set to an even lower 13.10Mbps, not 14.25Mbps.
as Wayne might say, "excellent." ;)
what software are you using to measure bit rates?
HDTVFanAtic 12-15-06, 02:16 AM what software are you using to measure bit rates?
MPEG2Repair
Also, fwiw, StarzHD East and West are both set for 14.00Mbps max on their distribution.
thanks, this way if I post a number it will be with the same software you are using.
Is StarzHD-west mpeg2 or mpeg4? Everything from here makes me say mpeg2
HDTVFanAtic 12-15-06, 04:55 AM thanks, this way if I post a number it will be with the same software you are using.
Is StarzHD-west mpeg2 or mpeg4? Everything from here makes me say mpeg2
It's really not about the software per se. It's about getting it right - the same if you took it down to the elemental video stream and looked at the bitrate with everything else striped away.
The other software just makes a rough calculation based on size of the file - not the underlying elementals.
All the distribution is mpeg2. obviously, what D* or E* end up doing with it after they receive it is something entirely different.
ny555soul 12-16-06, 10:51 AM Has anyone using r5000hd with a dish 6000 have a 10 second delay in the preview while watching on your tv?
As far as recording goes,there isnt any failed transfers, and the meter stays at excellent.
Playing the recorded files, there doesnt seem to be any skipping or glitching.
I know this isnt normal,but im not sure if this is a usb driver issue, or a codec issue.
Any help figuring out the problem would be appreciated
Thanks
My R5000 had been working great until last nigt. I had 2 events scheduled in the R5000 DVR. It recorded the first one just fine. The second one however, I just had about 4 listings with the same name, .ts file and 0kbits. I tried again today - and the same thing happened. So I tried starting record withthe red record button in the R5000. It would go for about 20-30 seconds then flash an error message - "Error 255" and then start up again. After several tries it would just say "Stopped." Again the hard drive would show multiple 0 bit .ts files: "December 25 12:20:02, December 25 12:20:31, December 25 12:21:00, December 25 12:21:33." Has anyoone else experienced this, or have any idea what is going on? I even restarted my computer - still the same. The transport stream meter is always in the middle - so I don't think its overloading the system (wich has recorded with R5000 flawlessly for over a month now- since I purchased it. There is plenty of room on the hard drive, cable plugged in, etc. Thanks - PK
In reference to the above - I'm not exactly sure of the error code. It was either 225, or 255.
What channel and provider are you recording from? Make sure you are receiving the desired channel OK. Also post the results of the remuxer log for a failed recording.
John
FYI- Vista and R5000-HD -
I just installed Windows Vista (Ultimate- from Microsoft Technet Plus subscription) on the laptop I use with the R5000-HD. I had trouble installing the drivers, it would find the drivers, but then give an error that said "the system cannot find the file specified." After a little while of trying various things, I looked into the driver inf file and decided to change the following lines from-
[SourceDisksNames]
1=%R5000HD_INSTALL%,,,\Program Files\r5000hd\drivers
to-
[SourceDisksNames]
1=c:\Program Files\r5000hd\drivers
then tried to install the drivers again, it worked. (At least the inf file was somewhat readable, as most others are a great big mess of sections and string substitutions- which when reading will usually get me very confused).
I'm sure I'm not the first one to install Vista with the R5000-HD, but couldn't find an answer anywhere, so I post here in case someone else runs into this. (And now I will probably be pointed to a post 2 pages back that already had the answer, oh well).
The other thing I ran into, is the recorder did not want to record to the default location- C:\ , but would record to the user's folder ok. I'm sure its some kind of permission thing, but didn't spend any time troubleshooting.
As far as STARZHD is concern from E* it doesn't matter which satellite you use, mpeg4 or mpeg2 that channel's PQ is utter CRAP. I never made any recording from that ever.
timecop 12-27-06, 06:49 PM FYI- Vista and R5000-HD -
The other thing I ran into, is the recorder did not want to record to the default location- C:\ , but would record to the user's folder ok. I'm sure its some kind of permission thing, but didn't spend any time troubleshooting.
Normal users can no longer write to files on C:\ and Program Files etc, to discourage rampant stupidity that occurred with people loading XP machines full of spyware and other crap. What are you doing capturing large volumes of data to your OS partition anyway? Should keep your boot/os partition as small as reasonably possible, and have user profiles and all large/random data on a separate partition or drive (well drive isnt possible in a notebook but whatever).
balazer 12-27-06, 07:39 PM What are you doing capturing large volumes of data to your OS partition anyway? Should keep your boot/os partition as small as reasonably possible, and have user profiles and all large/random data on a separate partition or drivePersonally, I think it's better to have one large partition. I don't see any benefit in having separate partitions. It's not any faster, and a partition is just a barrier that makes it more difficult to manage your space.
HDTVFanAtic 12-27-06, 08:13 PM Personally, I think it's better to have one large partition. I don't see any benefit in having separate partitions. It's not any faster, and a partition is just a barrier that makes it more difficult to manage your space.
I used to hold that line of thinking but too many times the drive would fill up crashing the O/S and forcing a reboot - plus operating like crap until space was cleared out, not to mention its much easier to keep an image of a 20Gig C:\ with the O/S intact if you need to reimage a drive very quickly (less than 10 minutes in my case) to get back up working without touching the transport stream captures on the D:\.
What are you doing capturing large volumes of data to your OS partition anyway? Should keep your boot/os partition as small as reasonably possible, and have user profiles and all large/random data on a separate partition or drive (well drive isnt possible in a notebook but whatever).
Well, its my temporary solution for my R5000-HD recording- cheap laptop HP nx6325 with 60gb hard drive and only does one thing- record from R5000-HD. I transfer my recordings to another PC that is a raid 5 storage server. If I start partitioning the drive, whatever extra space is on the system partition will be wasted. A separate drive is possible on a notebook, which I also do when needed. The external drive is a notebook drive in a usb2.0 enclosure.
IamMike 12-28-06, 12:26 PM Anybody know if Nextcomm is working this week? I've sent a couple e-mails to tech support one before Christmas and one yesterday and didn't get a response to either. David usually replies pretty quickly so I'm starting to think they just closed for the holidays.
HDTVFanAtic 12-31-06, 02:58 AM Out of curiosity, anyone use Acronis (which I believe performs its Disk Utilities such as TrueImage in a Linux Mode)? When Acronis Loader starts if the R5000HD is plugged into to the USB port, the loader errors out and you must start again from scratch with the unit unplugged. Curious if anyone knows what is going on or a work around?
Personally, I think it's better to have one large partition. I don't see any benefit in having separate partitions. It's not any faster, and a partition is just a barrier that makes it more difficult to manage your space.
There are pluses and minuses.
If your partition gets corrupted and wiped out, then you don't loose all your data. (Safer not to keep "all your eggs in one basket"). Yes it is a "barrier"... A barrier that can protect some of your data in the other partitions.
If your partition gets corrupted and needs to do a disk check then it takes much longer on a larger one.
If you want to do backups, and your partition is bigger than your backup media it can be a hassle.
Fragmentation can be worse on a larger partition.
Larger partitions may require larger block sizes so small files can waste more disk space.
On the other hand if you have your data spread out among different partitions that you access frequently then your heads may be wasting a lot of time seeking back and forth.
Back when FAT could spend a lot of time with CHKDSK on boot, I used to prefer more smaller partitions, but these days NTFS is much better at staying happy (even if you power off without shutting down), so fewer big partitions is what I usually do.
balazer 12-31-06, 04:16 PM If you want to do backups, and your partition is bigger than your backup media it can be a hassle.You don't have to back up the entire partition.
HDTVFanAtic 12-31-06, 06:48 PM Even on a 1TB partition, within 6 months of caps, I find the fragmentation PER MOVIE in excess of 23,000 pieces per title.
Thus it is much easier to keep the os and apps on a 20GB portion of the C:\ and not worry that they end up contributing to the fragmentation on the data drive - and by residing on a dedicated c:\ drive, they are virtually immune to fragmentation.
xsrsmithx 12-31-06, 09:02 PM HDTVFanAtic
Out of curiosity, anyone use Acronis (which I believe performs its Disk Utilities such as TrueImage in a Linux Mode)? When Acronis Loader starts if the R5000HD is plugged into to the USB port, the loader errors out and you must start again from scratch with the unit unplugged. Curious if anyone knows what is going on or a work around?
I had a similar problem with Acronis "Migrate Easy", version 7.0, installed on the same machine as the R5000. The R5000 HD pvr would crash each time I would try to run it. Sometimes it would stay running and most other times it would kick back an error and close. Until I read your post, I couldn't figure out what was causing the error. I uninstalled Acronis and it has been working perfectly since. Something in the Acronis products that are causing this conflict.
Thanks... Steve
docchak 01-01-07, 08:46 AM anyone has problem with pvr crash after installing r-5000 software version 2.4f, it's oly happen if you turn on the titan tv remote schedule, disable the remote schedule and the problem goes away??
docchak 01-01-07, 08:50 AM anyone has problem with pvr crash after installing r-5000 software version 2.4f, it's oly happen if you turn on the titan tv remote schedule, disable the remote schedule and the problem goes away??
P.S.
The browser is IE7 , could this be the culprit?
timecop 01-01-07, 09:53 AM Out of curiosity, anyone use Acronis (which I believe performs its Disk Utilities such as TrueImage in a Linux Mode)? When Acronis Loader starts if the R5000HD is plugged into to the USB port, the loader errors out and you must start again from scratch with the unit unplugged. Curious if anyone knows what is going on or a work around?
To answer your question quickly, Lunix doesn't support USB properly and therefore any USB devices plugged in will confuse the crap out of it.
Lunix mode?
Is there any particular reason you can't afford Ghost, and are forced to do silly lunix sector-by-sector copies of partitions? I lol each time I see rejects like 'ghost4lunix' advertising themselves, when all they are is a glorified diskcopy. I'd rather stick with a cloning solution that understands the underlying filesystem (NTFS) and can make proper, small sized images instead of uncompressible mess of sector copies. Ghost restores my video workstation 10gb boot partition in a couple minutes, does Lunix even support writing to disks at speeds > 10k/sec yet? I heard that was a new feature for kernel 2.8.13.20.
HDTVFanAtic 01-02-07, 01:55 AM To answer your question quickly, Lunix doesn't support USB properly and therefore any USB devices plugged in will confuse the crap out of it.
Lunix mode?
Is there any particular reason you can't afford Ghost, and are forced to do silly lunix sector-by-sector copies of partitions? I lol each time I see rejects like 'ghost4lunix' advertising themselves, when all they are is a glorified diskcopy. I'd rather stick with a cloning solution that understands the underlying filesystem (NTFS) and can make proper, small sized images instead of uncompressible mess of sector copies. Ghost restores my video workstation 10gb boot partition in a couple minutes, does Lunix even support writing to disks at speeds > 10k/sec yet? I heard that was a new feature for kernel 2.8.13.20.
Simple. Ghosts sucks compared to Acronis. It doesn't support RAID and it doesn't work on any volume over 1TB. Let's not forget Ghost actually performs in DOS mode - not Windows - so neither are truly working in the native O/S of Windows.
BTW, I am only assuming Acronis is Linux - it could be some other wierd O/S, but I suspect its most likely Linux.
R5000-HD 01-02-07, 12:12 PM Beta versions of the DVR and PVR applications are available in the download area (http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/support_download.htm#Beta). The version 2.5b DVR adds some additional options for SageTV like the "4DTV surf mode". Channel changing times have been tightened. Stream information now displayed on main dialog. Fixes address possible MPEG-2/H.264 falsing and OTA recording problems on Dish 211 receivers.
-R
IamMike 01-11-07, 12:19 AM Has anybody tried the beta with 4dtv yet? Nextcomm can't provide any info on how much of a performance gain the channel surf feature adds. I'd like to get some indication of what I'm buying before plunking down $50 for the Sage version.
Thanks,
Mike
HDTVFanAtic 01-11-07, 01:25 AM I was still wondering what the 4DTV surf feature was, lol.
ralphjb 01-16-07, 05:15 PM Haven't seen the question asked in a while, so what the heck....
Anything happening with R5000HD and Mpeg4 boxes from DirecTV?
HDTVFanAtic 01-16-07, 05:25 PM Nope
ralphjb 01-16-07, 05:29 PM Nope
Bummer.
Has anyone switched to Dish from DirecTV for this very reason?
Sure many of you have seen this story but...
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 8, 2007--DIRECTV, the nation's leading satellite television service provider, is hailing 2007 as the "Year of HD" with the planned launch and carriage of 100 national high-definition (HD) channels. With this substantial HD muscle, DIRECTV will offer three-times more HD programming than any other multi-channel distributor, with the majority of these channels launching in Q3.
DIRECTV also announced today that it currently has signed agreements, or agreements in principle, with more than 70 major networks including:
-- A&E -- National Geographic
-- Bravo -- NFL Network
-- Cartoon Network -- SciFi Channel
-- CNN -- Speed
-- Food Network -- TBS
-- FX -- The History Channel
-- HGTV -- The Weather Channel
-- MTV -- USA Network
DIRECTV will also extend its leadership in HD sports programming by offering hundreds of games and other HD programming available from Regional Sports Networks (RSNs) around the country, including YES Network, Comcast Sports Net, New England Sports Network and FOX Sports.
To satisfy the insatiable appetite for a greater number of movies in HD, DIRECTV will offer an expanded line-up of HD programming available from all premium movie channels.
"This is DIRECTV's break-out year for HD," said Chase Carey, president and CEO, DIRECTV, Inc. "The launch of our two new satellites will complete the largest capacity expansion in DIRECTV history, and no other video service will be able to match the sheer volume and quality of our HD programming. With HD adoption now reaching critical mass in the U.S., and 40 million homes projected to have HD-capable TVs this year, DIRECTV will be uniquely positioned as the best choice for HD programming."
With the launch of DIRECTV 10 and DIRECTV 11 satellites in 2007, DIRECTV will have the ability to deliver more than 1,500 local HD and digital channels and 150 national HD channels, in addition to new advanced programming services for customers.
DIRECTV currently offers standard-definition local channels in 142 markets, covering nearly 94 percent of television households in the country, as well as local HD broadcast channels in 49 cities, representing more than 65 percent of U.S. TV households.
tenguru 01-16-07, 09:11 PM Sorry if I can't be helped here, but maybe a little guidence is in order.
My bud just moved to germany and gave me this dish 6000 with 169 firewire mod and I get no picture out of firewire to view or record.. is this unit you speak of the r5000-hd better and more hassle free.
Are the files it makes burnable to dvd as to play on my PS3?
Thanks.. if this 169 FW is a pig... please advise?
timecop 01-16-07, 09:40 PM its about 174.95% easier to use than 169time.
too bad R5000HD deal to trade in 169time for their mod is over.
thurstonw 01-18-07, 03:17 PM Haven't seen the question asked in a while, so what the heck....
Anything happening with R5000HD and Mpeg4 boxes from DirecTV?
I've heard that there still maybe the possibility of making an "MPEG-4 only" modification for the H20s. You would then need 2 mods -one box for the MPEG-2 channels and the other to capture H.264.
TW
tenguru 01-19-07, 11:36 AM :) its about 174.95% easier to use than 169time.
too bad R5000HD deal to trade in 169time for their mod is over.
That's proably the best most concise answer I have ever gotten on the AVS forums... :) Thanks... I'll stop struggling with this cra* and get the other....
Ron Tobin 01-19-07, 11:43 AM :)
I'll stop struggling with this cra* and get the other....
Wise move. There's no comparison between the two. :)
shanewalker 01-20-07, 12:54 AM All I have to say is 'woo-hoo!'
Just got my E* Vip 622 DVR back w/ my R5000HD mod and it's all set up. Made my first manual test record (a bit of "Dracula" on HDnet) and it was smooth as silk. Even tested out playing the .TS file over our network and onto on our HDTV via my Xbox 360s Media Center extender functionality...sweet as can be. Love it when things just work.
Now, if I could figure out a way to get the .ts playback software/patch (HDTVpump) for Media Center on the 360 itself, that would be seriously fantastic (then I could just dump my recorded .ts files onto my multi-purpose music/pics/movies USB drive that's direct attached to the 360 and have HD movies on tap without the networking). Anyone have any ideas?
ralphjb 01-20-07, 09:24 AM Sorry for the stupid question, but how many dishes do you need to pickup Echostar programming?
Ron Tobin 01-20-07, 09:35 AM Sorry for the stupid question, but how many dishes do you need to pickup Echostar programming?
That's not a stupid question. It depends where you are and what programming selection you would want. I'm on the Gulf Coast of Florida and need two dishes; one for the primary satellites on 110 and 119 and another pointed East for 61.5. Other parts of the country can get by with the Dish 1000 which can receive 110, 119 and another satellite (I forgot it's orbital position). There's a link that shows the footprint of the Dish 1000, somewhere, but can't find it quickly. But essentially, if you're not in Florida or the North East, and I suppose some parts of the West, you should be fine with the Dish 1000. I'm sure someone else will pop in here and clarify.
Good luck.
ralphjb 01-20-07, 09:55 AM Thanks for the quick reply.
I am in Michigan - the Detroit area - if anyone know the answer.
I always see two dishes, but I did not know that was a legacy thing or still a requirement.
I've got DirecTV now, but am seriously considering Dish Network because I can continue to use the R5000HD along with SageTV. Also, I am less than thrilled with the new behemoth dish the DirecTV has for their new HD stuff.
I live in a condo, and while I pushed the envelope for my DirecTV dish, I really don't carry to do battle with the condo board again, if I can help it.
Thanks!
That's not a stupid question. It depends where you are and what programming selection you would want. I'm on the Gulf Coast of Florida and need two dishes; one for the primary satellites on 110 and 119 and another pointed East for 61.5. Other parts of the country can get by with the Dish 1000 which can receive 110, 119 and another satellite (I forgot it's orbital position). There's a link that shows the footprint of the Dish 1000, somewhere, but can't find it quickly. But essentially, if you're not in Florida or the North East, and I suppose some parts of the West, you should be fine with the Dish 1000. I'm sure someone else will pop in here and clarify.
Good luck.
129 is the third location, although people seem to have better luck with a separate dish for 129 as opposed to the 3lnb dish, depends on your location. I use 3, 110-119, 129 and one for 148, although the 148 is probably not really necessary anymore--no CBS west anymore and HBO and SHO seem to be about the same on 148 as they are on the main location.
shanewalker 01-21-07, 09:42 PM O.K., so I've done my initial manual and TitanTV timed recordings. I find myself w/ a couple of quick questions, if I may pose them to the seasoned R5000-HD veterans out there--I'm sure these are simple to stupid, but here goes:
1) No way to set up a channel change in non-PVR timed recordings? Or did I miss something? I didn't see any way to specify channel, only start and stop time. Titan is all set up, but some E* channels lack guide data so I'd need to set up manual entries for start stop anyway it seems, so...
2) Output to D-VHS is tied to an active R5000-HD app. My plan was to do recordings onto my laptop off of my modded 622 in one room, move the laptop to another room to archive/dump to D-VHS. Alas, it won't let me because of the resulting USB-error/lack of R5000 connection. What is my alternative. I may resort to moving the files to a Mac and doing the output to D-VHS via that platforms software tools, but if there's another solid PC-based option...
2B) As for D-VHS. The NextCom documentation mentioned nothing of required drivers for the firewire-to-DVHS connection, but my Toshiba laptop/XP launched the Device Wizard and seemed to want to install some. Cancel this? What is the correct proceedure?
Thanks. Sorry for the newbie pestering, but info on these points will really help me out a lot.
HDTVFanAtic 01-21-07, 10:16 PM Thanks for the quick reply.
I am in Michigan - the Detroit area - if anyone know the answer.
I always see two dishes, but I did not know that was a legacy thing or still a requirement.
I've got DirecTV now, but am seriously considering Dish Network because I can continue to use the R5000HD along with SageTV. Also, I am less than thrilled with the new behemoth dish the DirecTV has for their new HD stuff.
I live in a condo, and while I pushed the envelope for my DirecTV dish, I really don't carry to do battle with the condo board again, if I can help it.
Thanks!
The Dish 1000 is literally as big as the Directv AT9 or it's new "slimline" - which given Directv's advertising, I suppose we shouldn't be surprised at that name.
And also, I assume you know that you cannot move the R5000HD unit from your RCA DCT100 into a newer Dish MPEG4 unit?
timecop 01-21-07, 10:29 PM 2B) As for D-VHS. The NextCom documentation mentioned nothing of required drivers for the firewire-to-DVHS connection, but my Toshiba laptop/XP launched the Device Wizard and seemed to want to install some. Cancel this? What is the correct proceedure?
You want to cancel any devices that aren't called 'AV/C Tape Device'.
Usually, a recent D-VHS unit will also include something called 'AV/C Tuner' and perhaps an 'AV/C Panel'. You can safely ignore those. After install, you should see a 'Microsoft Tape Device' or 'JVC Tape Device', etc you get the point inside the devmanagement's 'Sound, Video and Game Controllers' group.
shanewalker 01-22-07, 11:39 AM You want to cancel any devices that aren't called 'AV/C Tape Device'.
Usually, a recent D-VHS unit will also include something called 'AV/C Tuner' and perhaps an 'AV/C Panel'. You can safely ignore those. After install, you should see a 'Microsoft Tape Device' or 'JVC Tape Device', etc you get the point inside the devmanagement's 'Sound, Video and Game Controllers' group.
Thanks for the info. The Device Wizard was indeed installing AV/C devices. It seemed right but then I got a bit nervous and cancelled; just wanted to be sure here (I'd had a similar mix-up when doing the initial R5000 install, wherein using the documentation's preferred 'automatic' setting resulted in incorrect USB drivers for the mod--I had to do a system restore and go manual, pointing to the R5000s driver folder, then everything went fine). I'm assuming this Device/Driver set-up is a one-time deal, right? I mean that it won't have to recognize and configure each time I plug into the D-VHS deck, correct?
And to my first point, anyone have insights on what software I use to dump to D-VHS if the NextCom-supplied app won't allow me to do so when unconnected to the USB/mod? I eventually plan on having the mod 622 in the same rack w/ a dedicated HTPC, but right now I'm keeping it in a 2nd room, away from the main home theater setup (trying to get my processes down, avoid DVR record conflicts, and the like).
I used to use DVHSTool to archive to DVHS Tape. http://kgbird.com/DVHSTool/ It worked reasonably well, but there were some quirks. You can probably read about it in the archives. You need to use the JVC tape device drivers to get it to work, however. The device drivers needed be installed only once, but they were finicky.
shanewalker 01-22-07, 11:30 PM After a bit of set-up I just completed my first successful layoff of a sample R5000-HD recorded .TS file to my JVC HM-DT100U D-VHS deck.
I did it by transferring the recording to an external drive and moving it to my trusty old Mac laptop (667mhz G4, 5+ yrs old). Set the laptop up w/ the OS 10.4 version of the FirewireSDK20 and used VirtualDVHS to do the output. A bit of fiddling and a successful (nay, flawless :O) archive of glorious HD to tape.
I've got confidence now that I have a reliable pipeline for getting content set up for both streaming playback (Xbox 360/MCE) and archiving (Mac/D-Vhs). I'm very, very pleased.
HDTVFanAtic 01-23-07, 02:08 AM After a bit of set-up I just completed my first successful layoff of a sample R5000-HD recorded .TS file to my JVC HM-DT100U D-VHS deck.
I did it by transferring the recording to an external drive and moving it to my trusty old Mac laptop (667mhz G4, 5+ yrs old). Set the laptop up w/ the OS 10.4 version of the FirewireSDK20 and used VirtualDVHS to do the output. A bit of fiddling and a successful (nay, flawless :O) archive of glorious HD to tape.
I've got confidence now that I have a reliable pipeline for getting content set up for both streaming playback (Xbox 360/MCE) and archiving (Mac/D-Vhs). I'm very, very pleased.
Wouldn't it be easier to network them?
shanewalker 01-23-07, 12:21 PM The machines in use being laptops, they are constantly on/off, and on site/off site--I figured a networked solution would demand a static system somewhere that a drive could hang off of and I really don't have that right now. I might set up a networked 'mothership' when I get a new HTPC sometime in the (hopefully) near future.
Until then, I figured off-loading to this 1TB Maxtor drive (which is not set up as a NAS) is the most straight-forward multi-OS-friendly approach--manual though it is. If you have a suggestion, though, I'd love to hear it.
HDTVFanAtic 01-23-07, 04:20 PM I've never put a MAC in a Windows Network so it would be ridiculous for me to even speculate on that - but it just seems like an easier way then bouncing it to an external Hard Drive and moving it that way.
If you are using a USB or IEEE1394 connection for the external drive, that concerns me even more for reasons that were detailed several years ago on this thread.
I would never consider that again without a eSATA card/drive, even though a NAS storage unit seems like it should work as well.
shanewalker 01-23-07, 04:52 PM Could you elaborate a bit on the USB/Firewire external issue that you alluded to? Is there a danger of data corruption w/ these large files (10GB+) or is there an issue where the R5000 conflicts w/ attached drives. I plan on doing the recordings to my internal drive, unplugging the R5000, plugging in the drive and offloading, so hopefully the latter would never be an issue.
I've never had any sort of issue w/ conflicts/data corruption w/ external drives on my Macs, so if this is some Window-specific issue, I'm not aware of what it is (fortunately). Patience please, as I've only had been in Windows-world for a year.
HDTVFanAtic 01-23-07, 05:12 PM There is clearly a Windows issues that plugging an external removable usb/ieee1394 drive somehow destroys the fat table and the drive is seen as unformatted. It happened several times years ago - and once i posted here, AVS Moderator Alan Grouger also had it happened but couldnt make the connections as to why - and several other have as well.
It's apparently some bug in Windows that happens on removable drives that so few people plug drives in and out that it happens so infrequently to the general public, that it hasn't been documented and fixed by Microsoft (they probably did what the do with a number of these issues from 18 months ago - say its so deep in the O/S it will be fixed with Vista).
The many utilities that I have to try and recover contents from this type of disaster do not work on USB/IEEE1394 removable drives - only those on an IDE or SATA bus - thus what was on the drive is gone.
No one has reported it on drives less than 130GB, which is interesting if you know of the limitations of Window OS systems before they upgraded those drivers - thus, it is something about the larger than 130GB size and the usb/ieee1394 removable drives that causes Windows to nuke the drive to where Windows and thinks it is unformatted.
You can reformat, but obviously you loose everything at that point - and again - the unformat utilities do not work on usb/ieee1394 drives.
balazer 01-23-07, 05:20 PM Data corruption with external USB and Firewire drives can usually be attributed to cheap controller chips. I'm not aware of any problem with Windows itself. If you stick to the good brands of controller chips (Cypress for USB, Oxford for Firewire), you should not have any problems.
shanewalker 01-23-07, 05:50 PM Thanks for the warning/input on this. I'll keep an eye on things, but I feel my setup should be fine. I'm hoping that I won't have any such issues--since 1) my laptop is new and one of Toshiba's A/V-centric premium lines (Qosmio AV600) it will have decent controller chipsets for USB/Firewire, and 2) I am trying to keep the system relatively clean and free of malware/junk (I do have a few start-up apps, but I'm hopefully keeping them somewhat in check).
balazer 01-23-07, 06:44 PM ...I'm hoping that I won't have any such issues--since 1) my laptop is new and one of Toshiba's A/V-centric premium lines (Qosmio AV600) it will have decent controller chipsets for USB/Firewire,It's the controller chip in the external enclosure that really matters, not so much the host controller in your PC.
HDTVFanAtic 01-24-07, 02:05 AM Data corruption with external USB and Firewire drives can usually be attributed to cheap controller chips. I'm not aware of any problem with Windows itself. If you stick to the good brands of controller chips (Cypress for USB, Oxford for Firewire), you should not have any problems.
I have had everything from Adaptec cards, SIIG cards, Intel 82801DB USB Controllers and even a Lucent USB Controller, so I wouldn't say I have cheap controller chips - but I have learned I will stay way from USB and Firewire External Drives.
There is clearly a problem from my perspective. I would loose an average of 1 drive a month while using them in 2004 - and have not lost one since I quit using them over 2 years ago.
balazer 01-24-07, 02:51 AM I have had everything from Adaptec cards, SIIG cards, Intel 82801DB USB Controllers and even a Lucent USB ControllerAs I said, it's the chip in the enclosure that really matters. Do you know what IDE controller chip you had?
HDTVFanAtic 01-24-07, 04:29 AM As I said, it's the chip in the enclosure that really matters. Do you know what IDE controller chip you had?
I actually have 14 different usb or usb/firewire external units and found none of them worked to my satisfaction. I purchased everyone I found in Frys, Newegg, Compusa etc.
I really thought the Vantecs had a decent enough name - however even the Seagate USB/IEEE1394 External 160GB I had exhibited issues.
If anyone wants some cheap units........
timecop 01-24-07, 06:30 AM Yeah, I've had removable drive suddenly become "unformatted" on next plug-in, however a quick run of data recovery app such as easyrecoverypro or something similar restored everything without a single missing file.
No idea what happened, but the only connection here is that it was inside a combo usb/1394 enclosure. Since then, I've run a external 1394 drive in series with a HDV camera, recording 'live' with TSReader to the external HDD without problems, so I blamed that random data loss on the USB controller / enclosure.
And yes, I know, this post is totally irrelevant to this thread.
shanewalker 01-24-07, 02:38 PM 'timecop'...I don't think recording/archiving issues related to R5000-HD recorded content is terribly OT.
I'm still working the kinks out of the workflow on my end and for one I appreciate the comments/personal experiences et al.
Right now I'm contemplating whether I should invest in a second JVC D-VHS deck for archiving...that way I can do simultaneous Hard drive/Tape records in the 2nd room where my mod 622 resides and don't have to waste time dubbing/dumping. Are there any particular issues w/ simultaeous HDD/Tape records I should be aware of? In short, wondering if overall its safer/more robust to just record to disk, i.e. the 'peace of mind' benefit versus the 'convenience benefit' of simultaneous recording.
kamaths 01-25-07, 11:34 AM I recently got my VIP211 modded by nextcom. I am pleased with its performance, However I cannot playback ts file through media player utility using JVC 5u as external decoder. Engaging JVC deck's record button allows the play back, but I end up with an unwanted recording. When I try DVHS deck as a external decoder only, I get an error message"tape capture device not found' What am I missing here?
Please help
Suresh
A few things have to be set up. The recorder needs to be set to the correct input like I1. On my 30K I think a tape needs to be in the recorder, either SVHS or DVHS. The computer needs to be using XP and if service pack two is installed the recorder driver will be installed automatically. Of course the JVC will not decode MPEG4 files.
John
I am Sam 01-26-07, 01:25 PM Hello I have a 6120 BEV Sub receiver, will be able to use this program? I don't see a usb connection at the back of receiver.
Ron Tobin 01-26-07, 01:36 PM Hello I have a 6120 BEV Sub receiver, will be able to use this program? I don't see a usb connection at the back of receiver.
You need to send your receiver to Nextcom to be modified. They will insert the R5000 modification board and provide the USB connection on the rear of your receiver. Here's the link to their site.
http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/products.htm
Personal experience -- it works great.
johnnynuke 01-26-07, 01:59 PM At this time the only BEV receiver that nextcomm modifies is the 6000. The 6100, according to their website, they don't modify.
I am Sam 01-26-07, 02:15 PM Thanks guys for getting back. So I am stuck with my 6120 and ATI AIW to capture it then... Has anyone tested their software to see if it works with Capture cards? Sam :-)
There is clearly a Windows issues that plugging an external removable usb/ieee1394 drive somehow destroys the fat table and the drive is seen as unformatted. It happened several times years ago - and once i posted here, AVS Moderator Alan Grouger also had it happened but couldnt make the connections as to why - and several other have as well.
Yeah - I ran into this problem as well and all but gave up on large USB drives for external recording storage.
My experience was that some particular make and models of drives were far more prone to the problem. I suspected (but this is unconfirmed) that perhaps the power supply in the external enclosure wasn't powerful enough to keep some of the more power hungry drives happy. Many of those enclosures seemed like they were really only designed to power a CDROM drive.
A couple of times when drives went wonko on me I heard the drive make a funny noise - like it was powering down then back up again. If it did this in the middle of a write operation I could see it corrupting data.
flabingo 01-27-07, 10:23 AM I was an early adopter of nextcom after dealing with 169time. It WAS a wonderful device and I now own two units. But time marches on and now I have the new D* hd dvr. Since Nextcom can't handle mpeg 4 with D* and D* announcing many additional channels this year it seems that the Nextcom unit is almost obsolete. D* also announced that they will have the ability to add hard drives to their unit for archiving, and I can record two at a time. P.S. My wife can operate the D* dvr. Also I have a jvc tv and their 30000 vcr and with I link I can record directly on my D-vhs tapes. For the past three days I have had a problem with installing my unit and dealing by email does not cut it. So I think that I may have two units for sale for someone who is still a "true believer"
calbear94 01-27-07, 01:26 PM I recommend VideoReDoPlus' ("QuickStream Fix" function) for fixing all sorts of stream errors, especially the lack of audio when the audio stream is present.
RalphArch 01-28-07, 02:08 PM I was an early adopter of nextcom after dealing with 169time. It WAS a wonderful device and I now own two units. But time marches on and now I have the new D* hd dvr. Since Nextcom can't handle mpeg 4 with D* and D* announcing many additional channels this year it seems that the Nextcom unit is almost obsolete.
I was just about to spring (Dish) but this has me worried that I will be buying a boat anchor.
I assume that D* is shorthand for DirectTV? So the status on Dish is that they have some "MPEG 4" that is really MPEG 2 and mostly MPEG2. If its MPEG 4 are there ways to play it back that don't involve HTPC (I don't mind getting a networkded media player if that is what is required for playback).
Basically will it be useable now and for a period of time in the future or would I be better off just going with the Dish DVR?
Joseph Clark 01-28-07, 02:56 PM [QUOTE=flabingo] I was an early adopter of nextcom after dealing with 169time. It WAS a wonderful device and I now own two units. But time marches on and now I have the new D* hd dvr. Since Nextcom can't handle mpeg 4 with D* and D* announcing many additional channels this year it seems that the Nextcom unit is almost obsolete. [QUOTE]
I was just about to spring (Dish) but this has me worried that I will be buying a boat anchor.
I assume that D* is shorthand for DirectTV? So the status on Dish is that they have some "MPEG 4" that is really MPEG 2 and mostly MPEG2. If its MPEG 4 are there ways to play it back that don't involve HTPC (I don't mind getting a networkded media player if that is what is required for playback).
Basically will it be useable now and for a period of time in the future or would I be better off just going with the Dish DVR?
The Dish 211/411/622 can be R5000 modified. They allow you to record both MPEG2 and MPEG4 Dish broadcasts. Dish has channels in both MPEG2 and MPEG4, and it seems likely that all new Dish channels will be MPEG4. You can't play back MPEG4 with several of the common MPEG2 playback tools, but MPEG4 playback is possible on a HTPC, using CoreAVC and/or one of the newer nVidia or ATI video cards (plus sometimes a fast CPU). As to whether you should just buy the Dish 622 DVR, that depends on how you will use it. The Dish DVR is certainly a lot easier to use, but you can't archive from it to hard drive or DVD media. That's what the R5000 allows you to do. You can use the 622 with the R5000 mod, but I chose not to do that because of the potential for timer conflicts (R5000 timers vs. 622 timers). Some people have their 622's modified, and they could provide input on whether timer issues are a serious problem. I have the 622 and an R5000 modified 211. That works very well, although I occasionally forget even on the 211 and interrupt a timer recording. :o
Alan Gouger 01-30-07, 05:18 PM I had the same problem. I tried everything and finally gave up. I have the jvc 30k in my rack collecting dust. Others say it works so it must be something very sensitive to system parameters.
I recently got my VIP211 modded by nextcom. I am pleased with its performance, However I cannot playback ts file through media player utility using JVC 5u as external decoder. Engaging JVC deck's record button allows the play back, but I end up with an unwanted recording. When I try DVHS deck as a external decoder only, I get an error message"tape capture device not found' What am I missing here?
Please help
Suresh
hello,
I have the modded VIP211. I have a problem with ts files recorded from Starz. Some of them are corrupt will not play at all and some will play only with Nero Showtime and I can not encode or manipulate these files at all. When I tried to check them with ts file editor, it gave that they lacked video header. I have absolutely no problems with files recorded from HBO for an example. By the way I have a core2 duo PC and 1 gb ram. Any help would be appreciated.
flabingo 01-30-07, 11:11 PM I have a jvc 30000 unit that I used to record using 169time. I recently purchased a jvc ila unit and read that I could record from the tv using ilink. I hooked up the 30000 unit and played my old tapes. They were awesome. I then tried to record according to the manuals from JVC and after four phone calls with JVC learned that my Direct hr20 is all mpeg 4 and not mpeg 2. They told me that if I used my old mpeg 2 receiver it would work. I am going to give it a try since the old tapes were so good. I just purchased my second dvr from Direct. They are hard to get but if you meet the truck at Best Buy you will get one. Direct has a long waiting list and the local Best Buy said that Direct comes to them, They are telling me that this year they will have over 100 hd channels, many in the spring and you will be able to archive at some point with another hard drive. Bottom line if you have a jvc 30000 unit gathering dust and are using r5000 with an old D* receiver give it a try. I was watching the Smart Travel programs.
flabingo 01-30-07, 11:16 PM The other advantage of the hr20 dvr which does two shows at a time is that my wife learned to use it in 10 minutes. That is a VERY BIG ADVANTAGE Which trumps all the others
hello,
I have the modded VIP211. I have a problem with ts files recorded from Starz. Some of them are corrupt will not play at all and some will play only with Nero Showtime and I can not encode or manipulate these files at all. When I tried to check them with ts file editor, it gave that they lacked video header. I have absolutely no problems with files recorded from HBO for an example. By the way I have a core2 duo PC and 1 gb ram. Any help would be appreciated.I assume that the Starz TS files are actually in the MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 format, not MPEG-2. I am looking for a reasonably priced way to play these files with either software or hardware, but I have not seen anything that looks like a sure thing yet.
thurstonw 01-31-07, 02:03 PM The other advantage of the hr20 dvr which does two shows at a time is that my wife learned to use it in 10 minutes. That is a VERY BIG ADVANTAGE Which trumps all the others
You mentioned a couple times about your wife being able to use it. On the surface that sounds pretty sexist to me. Or is she just unusually tech-challenged?
tw
kamaths 01-31-07, 10:48 PM I had the same problem. I tried everything and finally gave up. I have the jvc 30k in my rack collecting dust. Others say it works so it must be something very sensitive to system parameters.
I tried everything including uninstalling and reinstalling the drivers etc. Nothing worked and the r5000hd hd crashed. However live recordings to tape only mode or the disk 2tape mode plays and records fine without a single hiccup. Guess I will take that and be happy that it really does work very well for archival purposes. Now using theatertek on the HTPC to playback ts files from HTPC and archive the ones I like to JvC 5u
Suresh
shanewalker 02-01-07, 11:35 AM I assume that the Starz TS files are actually in the MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 format, not MPEG-2. I am looking for a reasonably priced way to play these files with either software or hardware, but I have not seen anything that looks like a sure thing yet.
E* just made some changes these last few days/weeks to their stream encodes (new MPEG-4 encoders) and I believe Starz now is indeed MPEG-4 all the time (I made an initial record from Starz a couple of weeks ago, "Ultraviolet" that Elecard said was actually MPEG-2, but the recording I did this Tuesday of "Life Aquatic" was MPEG-4).
Here's a bit of info on what's changed:
http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=87790&highlight=MPEG-4
I ran into playback issues on the new Starz records, but got somewhat reliable playback through my Elecard player w/ the AVC plug-in (although any attempt to shuttle forward/back crashes the app btw).
Anyone know of a way to get Media Center 2005 to handle MPEG-4/H.264 .ts files? 'HDdump' works splendidly for MPEG-2 .ts files, but I want it all :)!
shanewalker 02-04-07, 03:26 PM Anyone else having issues recording the original trilogy Star Wars films on HBOHD? I've had two TitanTV scheduled recordings go awry...it gave no errors, did the recording at the scheduled time, but recorded HBO SD channels rather than the appopriate E* HD channel both times.
Is HBO at fault, or Titan? Is this perhaps a copy protection scheme popping up, paticular to the Star Wars films? Odd that would be (Yoda-speak).
I recorded Star Wars 5 yesterday and 4 this morning and they look OK. This was from C Band so the problem is probably not with HBO.
John
my recording failed as well. not sure why.
I recorded Star Wars Episode 4 off E* this morning with my modded 6000 and it went off w/o a hitch.
shanewalker 02-04-07, 11:28 PM my recording failed as well. not sure why.
Curious why some are having success, some failures. I'll set up another HBO record tomorrow to see if it was temporary (i.e. a TitanTV channel map issue) that is resolved.
Anyone have ideas on what could be the issue here? Seems like an issue w/ localized listing errors on the TitanTV guide/R5000 event export...how does this get resolved?
I've posted on the TitanTV forums--we'll see if there's a solution/response.
HDTVFanAtic 02-05-07, 03:33 AM I recorded off E* with no issues - but I moved HBO-HD from 9456 to 9440 on my TitanTV customization so that might be forcing it to that channel instead of using the default.
shanewalker 02-05-07, 12:21 PM My gut says that somehow the channel mapping for HBO-HD in the Chicago market is wrong on TitanTV. I'll have to check the channel against the E* on screen guide and perhaps do a customization myself. I'll have to look into this tonight and set up a test record.
Odd that it would be off--and that I'm apparently the only one in Chicago noticing it? Anyone else in the area find that they needed to tweak their channels?
UPDATE: I did a test record through TitanTV of a program on HBO-HD last night. Didn't change a thing in my setup (hardware/software). Recorded the program just fine. Wondering, did TitanTV tweak something on their end in the last 36 hrs? Ideas?
Now that we got ts/mpeg2 all figured out, now we get to go through it all over again with h264.
I recorded 'Ultimate Factories' on National Geographic HD. It took me a little while to figure out its h264 now.
What do you use to playback these h264 streams?
I've tried VLC, audio works,video shows the first frame and keeps showing the same frame. I am also trying to transcode using VLC and ffmpeg, but no succes yet.
(I use ffmpeg to transcode to dvd quality, for when I want to playback on my laptop)
shanewalker 02-11-07, 11:45 PM I've been using the Elecard player and AVC/H.264 plug-in. Seems to work...although you don't seem to be able to shuttle forward/backward through the .TS file, only play/pause.
I've been using the Elecard player and AVC/H.264 plug-in. Seems to work...although you don't seem to be able to shuttle forward/backward through the .TS file, only play/pause.
I've tried that, too. Like every other thing I've tried, I cannot get good playback. None of my pc's have the horsepower for h264. Mpeg2 was no problem, but with h264 you better have a supercomputer.
The only option for now is to transcode into something my pc can handle. I got mencoder to transcode an h264 recording to xvid (quick test). Now I need to figure out what formats mencoder can output, and what will work best.
I guess the nice thing about h264 is you can backup an hour of hd on a dvd.
tenguru 02-12-07, 12:55 PM I've tried that, too. Like every other thing I've tried, I cannot get good playback. None of my pc's have the horsepower for h264. Mpeg2 was no problem, but with h264 you better have a supercomputer.
The only option for now is to transcode into something my pc can handle. I got mencoder to transcode an h264 recording to xvid (quick test). Now I need to figure out what formats mencoder can output, and what will work best.
I guess the nice thing about h264 is you can backup an hour of hd on a dvd.
Try dropping file on dvd and playback on ps3....
sounds and looks great
:)
dgschoel 02-12-07, 02:39 PM I have been using my r5000 HDD200 mod for recording C-band HD and SD for several months. It works flawlessly except for recordings that I make from American Movie Classics. The mux log shows no problems. I get a file that cannot be loaded into videoredo for editing. It will not play using my MyHD. The file loads into hdtv2mpeg but there is no display and no timeline for editing. I can play the file using vlc but there is no time display. I have tried using other editors on the file and I have not found one to work.
My question is, why am I having problems with recordings from only this channel and is there anything I can do to make the file load into videoredo so I can edit it?
Try dropping file on dvd and playback on ps3....
sounds and looks great
:)
I would if I had one.
Maybe nextcomwireless should do a mod where you can play back the captured stream back to the dish receiver- let the dish box do the playback. I would think if they can capture the stream, they can put it back where it came from. The only problem would be no recording while playback.
I eventually will build a mce box again, using Vista. I have been putting it off, letting the hardware get faster before I buy a motherboard/cpu/graphics card. I guess now I also have to make sure h264 playback will be acceptable on that hardware.
Try dropping file on dvd and playback on ps3....
sounds and looks great
:)Can the PS3 fast forward and rewind R5000 AVC/H.264 files on DVD+R-R's? Are there any problems with DL DVD+R-R's? How does one edit an AVC/H.264 file to fit on multiple DVD's? I would buy a PS3 if this is a viable way to play AVC/H.264 recordings.
timecop 02-12-07, 09:47 PM Or you can buy something like http://www.buffalotech.com/products/multimedia/linktheater-ag/ which claims to have H264/AVC support (but dont take my word for it) and play it that way, but then again who knows. If I actually had H264 content to play with, I'd probably get one of H264?HD supporting IPTV stbs and stream to it from another pc.
shanewalker 02-12-07, 10:24 PM I'm intrigued by the H.264 HD on a DVD concept...how does a 12-16GB .TS fit, much less play back on/off of a DVD (even if we're talking dual-layer, isn't that only 9GB)?
I'm planning on getting a PS3 this summer, so I'm all ears.
Although by then I'm likely to have a HTPC in my main rack, too. But I'm all for 'options'.
The Buffalo Technology’s LinkTheater PC-P3LWG/DVD Wireless High-Definition Media Player has the following information in its manual:
Q: What file formats can I use with LinkTheater?
A: LinkTheater is able to play the following type of files:
Video Files - dat, mpg, mpe, mpeg, m2v, m1v, vob, avi, asf, divx, xvid, rmp4, mov, mp4, vro, m4v, m2p, hnl,
wmv, wmv hd, divx hd
If this is true, then how can we play R5000 AVC files, which I believe are captured in the TS format?
timecop 02-12-07, 11:34 PM I think there was a post earlier in here that you either convert to program stream before sticking on DVD or play it networked via a streaming server. But yeah, probably not very practical.
The Buffalo Technology’s LinkTheater PC-P3LWG/DVD Wireless High-Definition Media Player has the following information in its manual:
Q: What file formats can I use with LinkTheater?
A: LinkTheater is able to play the following type of files:
Video Files - dat, mpg, mpe, mpeg, m2v, m1v, vob, avi, asf, divx, xvid, rmp4, mov, mp4, vro, m4v, m2p, hnl,
wmv, wmv hd, divx hd
If this is true, then how can we play R5000 AVC files, which I believe are captured in the TS format?
You can't.
None of these players (that I know of) can do h264, and most of them have quirks/bugs/missing features that make you wait for the next firmware update- then wait for the next, then the next, etc. It would be a miracle if someone made one these type of boxes for h264 that' just worked'. I'd give them another 5-6 years before they actually get it all figured out.
The only stand-alone box that I think currently works for h264 would be any hd type movie player (ps3,hd dvd player,blu-ray player,etc).
My preference is to be able to play the AVC transport streams directly, the way that many software decoders and the MyHD card work with MPEG-2 transport streams. I would certainly consider converting the TS files to program streams if there were a method to convert, edit and reliably play the files with an investment of a few hundred dollars. AFAIK, there is no authoring software available at the consumer level to create AVC encoded disks for use in HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players. That's why the PS3 playback option sounds interesting if I can learn more about it.
HDTVFanAtic 02-16-07, 02:20 AM You can't.
None of these players (that I know of) can do h264, and most of them have quirks/bugs/missing features that make you wait for the next firmware update- then wait for the next, then the next, etc. It would be a miracle if someone made one these type of boxes for h264 that' just worked'. I'd give them another 5-6 years before they actually get it all figured out.
The only stand-alone box that I think currently works for h264 would be any hd type movie player (ps3,hd dvd player,blu-ray player,etc).
Ps3 does h264 properly?
balazer 02-16-07, 02:31 AM The PS3 plays Blu-ray movie discs, so it has to support h.264.
I did a full install of Vista Ultimate Retail. Latest drivers won't install. This is on a HTPC with D* mod. My E* mod is safe with XP.
Any success with Vista?
bwooster 02-16-07, 07:10 AM stjr wrote: "there is no authoring software available at the consumer level to create AVC encoded disks for use in HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players"
You can use Apples DVD Studio Pro with H.264 assets.
Then you should be able to burn the HD assets onto a regular DVD-R disc. It should be able to hold about one hour of HD.
The Apple DVD Player software can play back the HD from these discs.
I assume that an HD-DVD player would play back these disc but I don't know for sure.
HDTVFanAtic 02-16-07, 05:11 PM The PS3 plays Blu-ray movie discs, so it has to support h.264.
Well, in the other forum they said it doesn't work natively :confused:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9792126&&#post9792126
bwooster 02-16-07, 05:44 PM Well I don't know about a PS-3 but I think that an HD-DVD player can play back the Apple H.264 HD discs.
I've been trying to figure out if there is a way to burn R5000 HD .ts files to a DVD-DL disc in Blu-Ray format so that it could be played in a PS3 but have yet to find someone that has done it. There was some discussion over at Doom9 but I haven't followed it much. I posted a question about this in the HTPC forum but haven't gotten much of a response.
I did a full install of Vista Ultimate Retail. Latest drivers won't install. This is on a HTPC with D* mod. My E* mod is safe with XP.
Any success with Vista?
Yes.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9281577&&#post9281577
I changed the inf file.
shanewalker 02-18-07, 05:00 PM Can I just say that after my first month+ w/ my R5000-HD mod, I feel compelled to add my voice to the choir that this product/solution absolutely ROCKS! I'm watching a dub to D-VHS transpiring right now, 'Time Bandits', one of my long-time faves, in HD (those old school minatures never looked so 'good')--I've done about 20 feature film .TS recordings and about a half dozen transfers to D-VHS and truly love the functionality that this recording/archiving system provides.
If Nextcom and/or some resourceful users can manage to provide users with a full set of MPEG-4 conversion/manipulation tools so that we can archive and view our content with the same flexibility/convenience as MPEG-2, this product will have some serious legs...
We need either a plug-in for MC/WMP and a highly efficient transcoder app to work w/ streaming and firewire output. Bring it on!
I am having a problem with the R5000HD which I am hoping people here can assist with.
I have been using this for a while with great success. However, the other day I decided to rebuild my HTPC, wiped the system clean and did a complete reinstall. Now, whenever the PVR app tries to communicate with TitanTV, it crashes. It also drops about 5 tmp files into its own directory at that time as well (extension TVPI if I remember).
I initially though it was a conflict with either Ghost or IE7, so I uninstalled both of these, however they made no difference. Program is fine until it attempts to contact TitanTV. I know the hardware works fine, as it was prior to the rebuild - I am ust figuring that there is a conflict somewhere I am unaware of.
I see that some people have run into this before (through my own research) but I find no solution on-line. I am running MCE 2005 as the OS.
Can anyone help!
Yes.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9281577&&#post9281577
I changed the inf file.
Thanks for the info but still Vista is not recognizing the device. Is that all you edited? That line?
To Nextcom any official drivers for Vista?
Thanks for the info but still Vista is not recognizing the device. Is that all you edited? That line?
To Nextcom any official drivers for Vista?
yep.
I don't know why Vista was not installing the driver- it would go through the motions of installing the driver, but then would error out saying it couldn't find the file specified. I forget exactly what was going on, but I know it was reading the inf file, so I figured I would modify the inf file to point directly the the driver folder. After the change, it installed correctly.
Is the device manager (wherever that is in Vista) showing a device when plugging in the r5000? Maybe Vista is acting like XP when it decides to give up looking for a driver- it just lists it in device manager as an unknown device. If thats the case, I guess you could remove it from device manager, then unplug/plug back in and start over.
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/572/r5000yt5.jpg
ugh Im stumped.
HDTVFanAtic 02-23-07, 09:17 AM Besides the uplink, where does the chroma change on what is eventually transfered to the R5000HD transport stream file?
Ok...since I don't seem to be getting any answers, let me try it this way:
D* Robots on HBO on Xylon's R5000HD
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4334/robotsdkz5.png (http://imageshack.us)
E* Robots on HBO via Xylon's R5000HD E*
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2950/robotseox3.png (http://imageshack.us)
C-1 Robots on HBO on Clarence's IEEE1394 Cable Box
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/6066/robotscableax3.png (http://imageshack.us)
C-2 Robots on HBO via R5000HD C Band 127W
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8250/robotscbandsf1.png (http://imageshack.us)
So, why the Chroma loss resulting in muted colors and lack of details - not to mention the musquito noise in the R5000HD C Band capture on the distribution satellite vs. second generation from cable, E* and D*?
Are all R5000HD Motorola units like this?
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2038/compareyo5.png (http://imageshack.us)
ugh Im stumped.
I'm not by my Vista laptop right now, so I'm not sure what is listed in device manager for my r5000, but it seems strange Vista seems to think you have the best driver for a device in which it knows nothing about (otherwise it wouldn't be unknown).
First unplug/plug in the r5000, watching that device in device manager. If it disappears /re-appears when doing that, it must be the one.
Then right-click that device so see what options you have. Uninstall should be an option. Do it. Then let Windows re-detect it when plugging in. Maybe it will start asking for a driver then.
Or right-click and do an update driver, pointing to the r5000 driver folder.
Yeah I tried all of that. Oh well, I hooked it up to my other HTPC running Windows XP. Next time I have a day off will tackle this once more.
I am having a problem with the R5000HD which I am hoping people here can assist with.
I have been using this for a while with great success. However, the other day I decided to rebuild my HTPC, wiped the system clean and did a complete reinstall. Now, whenever the PVR app tries to communicate with TitanTV, it crashes. It also drops about 5 tmp files into its own directory at that time as well (extension TVPI if I remember).
I initially though it was a conflict with either Ghost or IE7, so I uninstalled both of these, however they made no difference. Program is fine until it attempts to contact TitanTV. I know the hardware works fine, as it was prior to the rebuild - I am ust figuring that there is a conflict somewhere I am unaware of.
I see that some people have run into this before (through my own research) but I find no solution on-line. I am running MCE 2005 as the OS.
Can anyone help!
Hi - I had the same problem too.
On extensive testing this is what I found.
The programs R5000HD and the R5000PVR startup without a problem - but as soon as the PVR application starts, if the TitanTV login is enabled, it immediately tries to access and download the scheduled recordings. If I disable the checkbox and restart the PVR, it does not crash. The moment I enable the titantv login, it would immediately crash. I'm not in front of my machine right now (and will not be for the next few days-I travel a lot-part of the reason of R5000HD, etc) - but the menu option above the remote titantv login option is I believe the interactive TV scheduler, which if selected, opens a window in the PVR below the schedule list with the titantv programs. Once this is selected, if I enable the remote titantv scheduler - it works just fine. Kind of long winded explanation, but its the best I could do without the screens in front of me. I hope this helps.
I am having a problem with the R5000HD which I am hoping people here can assist with.
I have been using this for a while with great success. However, the other day I decided to rebuild my HTPC, wiped the system clean and did a complete reinstall. Now, whenever the PVR app tries to communicate with TitanTV, it crashes. It also drops about 5 tmp files into its own directory at that time as well (extension TVPI if I remember).
I initially though it was a conflict with either Ghost or IE7, so I uninstalled both of these, however they made no difference. Program is fine until it attempts to contact TitanTV. I know the hardware works fine, as it was prior to the rebuild - I am ust figuring that there is a conflict somewhere I am unaware of.
I see that some people have run into this before (through my own research) but I find no solution on-line. I am running MCE 2005 as the OS.
Can anyone help!
Hi - I had the same problem too.
On extensive testing this is what I found.
The programs R5000HD and the R5000PVR startup without a problem - but as soon as the PVR application starts, if the TitanTV login is enabled, it immediately tries to access and download the scheduled recordings. If I disable the checkbox and restart the PVR, it does not crash. The moment I enable the titantv login, it would immediately crash. I'm not in front of my machine right now (and will not be for the next few days-I travel a lot-part of the reason of R5000HD, etc) - but the menu option above the remote titantv login option is I believe the interactive TV scheduler, which if selected, opens a window in the PVR below the schedule list with the titantv programs. Once this is selected, if I enable the remote titantv scheduler - it works just fine. Kind of long winded explanation, but its the best I could do without the screens in front of me. I hope this helps.
xsrsmithx 02-26-07, 09:50 AM dvgeek/PeterS
I experience the very same problem with the immediate crash of the PVR program also. It seems to only happen to me when I actually do a "Remote" scheduled recording from another computer. As soon as I start the PVR program I notice it trying to download the "Remote" scheduled programs and thats when the crash occurs. If I do a scheduled recording from the same computer that the R5000/PVR is on, it works just fine. I think this is a bug in the program. It was working fine about 6 months ago and then all of a sudden it started crashing for no apparent reason. It took me some time to figure out that it was the "Remote" scheduling that was the cause. I'm sure there are others having the same problem.
Steve
balazer 02-26-07, 02:03 PM So, why the Chroma loss resulting in muted colors and lack of details - not to mention the musquito noise in the R5000HD C Band capture on the distribution satellite vs. second generation from cable, E* and D*?
Are all R5000HD Motorola units like this?The Motorola R5000-HD has absolutely nothing to do with the differences you are seeing. The Motorola receiver and the R5000-HD mod are just receiving and passing through the video elementary stream. My guess is that the differences in color are due to differences in the decoder. As for differences in noise: while these appear to be the same film frame, they weren't necessarily captured from the same airing of the film, or even a different source feed (west vs east). An encoder's output can be different for the same film depending on where the movie starts in the encoder's IPB cycle.
HDTVFanAtic 02-26-07, 03:44 PM The Motorola receiver and the R5000-HD mod are just receiving and passing through the video elementary stream. My guess is that the differences in color are due to differences in the decoder.
Which decoder are you referring to? As that seems to point back at that Motorola and R5000HD combination again as everything once it hits the R5000HD circuit should be the same :confused:
balazer 02-26-07, 08:20 PM I'm referring to the decoder that generated the image files that you posted online - presumably some MPEG-2 decoder software running on a PC.
HDTVFanAtic 02-27-07, 03:04 AM I'm referring to the decoder that generated the image files that you posted online - presumably some MPEG-2 decoder software running on a PC.
I sent a 2 second clip of the transport stream to Clarence so he could extract it just as he did his after I saw the difference - so that ruled that out.
balazer 02-27-07, 03:35 AM Are you certain Clarence used the same decoder & process both times? If it's not that, then I don't know, but it's pretty clear to me that the cable and C-band images are from different airings and/or source feeds (east vs west). Make sure you get the same feed & airing if you want a perfect comparison.
HDTVFanAtic 02-27-07, 03:25 PM Are you certain Clarence used the same decoder & process both times? If it's not that, then I don't know, but it's pretty clear to me that the cable and C-band images are from different airings and/or source feeds (east vs west). Make sure you get the same feed & airing if you want a perfect comparison.
Both East Coast airings - not West Coast.
2 different people took the 2 second clip and pulled the image - same results.
Hello,
Wondering if there is any easy or reliable way to rencode or edit AVC ts files... the only program that worked so far is Elecard Video Studio the demo version, but still can't justify paying $240.... Thanks
bwooster 02-27-07, 07:52 PM You can use ProjectX to edit commercials out of shows in ts format.
You can then fit a "one hour" tv show onto a DVD-R disc.
This can be streamed back to a TV directly (the Sonys allow this via their firewire port) or it can be piped to a DVHS deck and then to your tv
or it can be played back using VLC from an HTPC
or use something like the Helios x5000 - it can play back the ts files from a DVD-R and it also has dual layer DVD support so you might even be able to squeeze an HD movie onto a Dual layer DVD disc.
Or you can use a Mac mini or any recent Mac laptop or iBook with "Virtual DVHS" to stearm out the ts file.
There are a LOT of free software options for recording and playback of ts streams.
Projectx is the only free software that I have used to edit the streams.
I do not know if there are other free programs that can do this.
HDTVFanAtic 02-27-07, 08:55 PM OK, I'll bite - I have asked for years of for something to stream a transport stream back to a Sony via IEEE1394 and was told the only thing possible was firebus - but the program was so flakey, no one would ever use it in reality.
So, how are you streaming a transport stream back to a Sony via their firewire port?
I have no problems with mpeg ts files. All my problems are with AVC H264 ts files, they are very sensitive minor corruption will render the file unplayable, even playing them hogs the resources and I have a fairly new pc C2D and a GB of RAM, I tried demuxing with xmuxer pro it only works on small files and hangs up with large file. So far non of the available encoders that I tried worked with these files except the Elecard Video Studio, again thanks for any help...
bwooster 02-27-07, 09:18 PM I think QuickTime pro will allow you to edit the h.264 files but you better check on the apple web site to make sure
I just checked and was able to use MPEG StreamClip (versions are available for Mac and Win) on my Mac to cut out commercials from an episode of Heroes. Then I used the "Fix timecode breaks" option to smooth the "breaks" in the file.
This plays back perfectly with VLC.
You can use Apples free tools from their Firewire sdk to stream ts files to your tv (if it has a firewire input). I use "Virtual DVHS" all the time to stream hd to my Sony tvs.
I think that Mythtv on linux can do this too.
I am not sure but I think TSReader on Win can do it but I am not sure that the free version can do it.
HawgGuy 02-28-07, 02:37 PM My vip 211 just returned with the R5000 mod. It is not detected by the windows new hardware install. Swapped different USB cable, unplugged & replugged STB no joy.
Tried the above both with the my media center PC (MSI MoBo) and with my wife's Dell laptop with no difference. The STB itself seems to work normally, just no sign that XP detects new hardware when the USB connection is made.
Thanks - bob
Do you see any sign of it in the device manager?
John
OK, I'll bite - I have asked for years of for something to stream a transport stream back to a Sony via IEEE1394 and was told the only thing possible was firebus - but the program was so flakey, no one would ever use it in reality.
So, how are you streaming a transport stream back to a Sony via their firewire port?
A few months ago, I tried firebus. You're right, it blue screened my pc after 5 minutes of trying it. IF it worked, that would be a nice solution for firewire playback (and recording) to firewire equipped tv's.
I tried linux. Followed directions someone here posted earlier. Could get it to work mostly, but very difficult to set up and use.
I bought an iMac mini. Tried firewire sdk. It works. But not as convenient as I wanted. Eventually I sold the mini and decided to just forget about firewire recording and playback (although it was pretty cool to load up a dvd, have vlc stream it back out within a ts stream, and firewire program playing stream to tv in real time).
You would think a tv with firewire (hardware mpeg2 decoder) would do a nicer job with video than a software based solution. But I think my pc playback to the tv via vga was just as good (and maybe a little better).
HawgGuy 02-28-07, 07:47 PM Do you see any sign of it in the device manager?
John
No. It's not there. That's what has me concerned.
-bob
There are connectors inside. If you want you can remove the cover and make sure they're all still in place. Otherwise You'll probably have to contact Nextcom. John
HawgGuy 02-28-07, 08:48 PM There are connectors inside. If you want you can remove the cover and make sure they're all still in place. Otherwise You'll probably have to contact Nextcom. John
Figured that. Maybe I'll take a peek. I already have a note in to Nextcom.
thurstonw 02-28-07, 09:28 PM No. It's not there. That's what has me concerned.
-bob
Any Chance you pluged in the wrong cable? I assume you're using the mini usb connector that was added to your Vip211
TW
HawgGuy 02-28-07, 10:42 PM Any Chance you pluged in the wrong cable? I assume you're using the mini usb connector that was added to your Vip211
TW
Bingo. An email from David at Nextcom set me straight. I was trying to connect with a stright A-A usb male cable to the original vip-211 USB port.
Yes - I am a dunderhead, enough laughing.
In my own defence:
1. No cable or instructions included from Nextcom.
2. Wasn't wearing my bifocals. (getting old sux)
-bob
HDTVFanAtic 03-01-07, 12:25 AM A few months ago, I tried firebus. You're right, it blue screened my pc after 5 minutes of trying it. IF it worked, that would be a nice solution for firewire playback (and recording) to firewire equipped tv's.
I tried linux. Followed directions someone here posted earlier. Could get it to work mostly, but very difficult to set up and use.
I bought an iMac mini. Tried firewire sdk. It works. But not as convenient as I wanted. Eventually I sold the mini and decided to just forget about firewire recording and playback (although it was pretty cool to load up a dvd, have vlc stream it back out within a ts stream, and firewire program playing stream to tv in real time).
You would think a tv with firewire (hardware mpeg2 decoder) would do a nicer job with video than a software based solution. But I think my pc playback to the tv via vga was just as good (and maybe a little better).
Well, PC Playback to TV via VGA from the HTPC has a color difference then what it should be.
That's why I had wanted to use IEEE1394
So back to the original question.
This can be streamed back to a TV directly (the Sonys allow this via their firewire port)
HOW????
So back to the original question.
HOW????
Then buy an imac mini, download firewire sdk, go to the mac htpc forum, read the firewire playback thread. It works.
I don't think there is a solution for Windows. Recording is possible, but I have never seen a playback solution that works.
balazer 03-01-07, 12:51 AM Why don't you try one of the network HD playback devices? I'd think they wouldn't have the color problems.
HDTVFanAtic 03-01-07, 02:51 AM Then buy an imac mini, download firewire sdk, go to the mac htpc forum, read the firewire playback thread. It works.
I don't think there is a solution for Windows. Recording is possible, but I have never seen a playback solution that works.
Another poster said it could be done - from a Windows based HTPC so I am asking simply how - so I guess we need to put boots on when people make statements like this.
Another poster said it could be done - from a Windows based HTPC so I am asking simply how - so I guess we need to put boots on when people make statements like this.
If you are referring to this (as quoted in your previous question)
This can be streamed back to a TV directly (the Sonys allow this via their firewire port)
He then says in a couple posts later-
I use "Virtual DVHS" all the time to stream hd to my Sony tvs.
so he uses an Apple to do it.
I can't find any reference to it being done with a Windows HTPC. But maybe I'm looking at the wrong messages here.
That poster was answering a question about avc ts streams (I think), and the only thing that was wrong, was I don't think he realized avc ts streams are not the same as mpeg2 ts streams.
AVC ts streams are another problem that needs a good solution. I currently use Super (which has an avc 'decoder', and uses ffmpeg) to convert my avc ts streams to an mpeg2 file (dvd quality). Then I can at least view those recordings without buying a supercomputer.
curtvm,
I have super and I tried to rencode avc ts streams to mp4 using ps3 profile and had no luck though I did not try to encode to mpeg. The best play back for avc ts files I got so far by using windows media classic and PDVD avc decoder this allows me to fast forward and skip without hang ups this is where other players failed. I am trying back up these files to my ps3 so far no luck...
I am getting redirected to the seemingly useless new format when I try to select ZAP2IT as my interactive guide. Has anyone got a way to use this anymore?
John
curtvm,
I have super and I tried to rencode avc ts streams to mp4 using ps3 profile and had no luck though I did not try to encode to mpeg. The best play back for avc ts files I got so far by using windows media classic and PDVD avc decoder this allows me to fast forward and skip without hang ups this is where other players failed. I am trying back up these files to my ps3 so far no luck...
In Super, I use the 'ts to vob' option. Once selected, there are no options to deal with. After its done (takes about 8 x realtime), I rename the vob to mpeg. Maybe you could get it to mpeg first, then to ps3.
I playback some of my recordings on a laptop, which will never handle avc, so I guess I'll still have to convert to mpeg anyway. When I build my Vista MCE box, I'll have to make sure I get hardware that can handle avc, and buy a good avc decoder.
I'll second the question.
Mark
I am getting redirected to the seemingly useless new format when I try to select ZAP2IT as my interactive guide. Has anyone got a way to use this anymore?
John
Wizziwig 03-02-07, 03:42 AM I sent a 2 second clip of the transport stream to Clarence so he could extract it just as he did his after I saw the difference - so that ruled that out.
Hmm.. you should check those Robots recordings for their sequence extension. I know that Dish appends some information to specify BT709 color matrix and component video format. I don't know what's on the original HBO feed so that could account for the color difference if your decoder honors this header extension. If you have access to MProbe, it will show you these values.
As for your firewire streaming problem.... Before I got a MyHD card, I used to watch all my recordings through a JVC DVHS deck connected to my PC. I wrote a small utility that gave me random access into the transport file so that I could pause, skip, etc while streaming from the hard drive to the deck. I don't think this method would work directly to a TV since the PC will not enumerate as a 1394 AVC source. But maybe if you placed the VCR in between as a bridge, it might work?
-Mark
-Mark
I too, have spent two frustrating weekends trying to get the R5000-HD to work with Vista. I have tried the "rogue driver" fix suggested by Nextcom, and seemingly endless trial-and-error. I have two Dish boxes and have proven that neither the box or the USB cable are the problem. Here is the latest series of attempts that I have made. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions!
1. Installed the latest R5000-HD software. (This time with the INF file modified as per message 1362, although I have tried it both ways.) In this series of attempts, I set the installer to Windows XP compatibility mode, and ran as an administrator. I set the CA anti-virus to "snooze."
2. Upon connecting the USB cable, Windows reported that it installed a DVB-T USB 2.0 Adapter. (I had not seen the DVB-T message in previous attempts.)
3. Windows then reported "USB Device Not Recognized."
4. I updated the driver by browsing for the (modified) R5000-HD INF file in Program Files.
5. I was give a choice of a Nextcom Generic USB Driver or a Nextcom LLC R5000-HD driver. On this attempt I chose the first, then "Have Disk," and browsed to the Program Files. This resulted in a Windows message saying (paraphrasing), "Windows Encountered a Problem. Windows found driver software, but encountered an error. Device Cannot Start (Code 10). [He's dead, Jim.]
6. I tried again, choosing the first driver (Nextcom Generic USB Driver) again, but not the "Have disk" option. The result was the same "Code 10."
7. I tried again, but chose the 2nd driver option (Nextcom LLC R5000-HD driver), which resulted in the same "Code 10."
8. At this point Device Manager indicated "Nextcom LLC" under USB devices, with the yellow bang. I uninstalled the software and plugged the R5000-HD back in. The result was "Unknown Device" again.
Next, I tried a driver update again, but this time clearing the box saying "Show Compatible Hardware." Now there were four Nextcom drivers showing - two of the Generic USB and two of the Nextcom LLC variety. I chose the first (generic USB) driver, which resulted in the "Cannot Start, Error 10" message.
At this point, the USB Controller list in Device Manager indicated a "Nextcom Generic USB" device (having installed that driver most recently.)
I then tried a software update, choosing the second (of two) Nextcom Generic USB drivers on the list. This resulted in another "Code 10" cannot start error.
9. I then uninstalled the drivers, selecting "delete driver software" during the uninstallation.
10. I re-scanned the USB devices, getting an "Unknown Device" result. I then tried an update with the "Show Compatible" box cleared. There were now only two driver files showing (having chosen "Delete Driver Software" in step 9, above.) There was one each of the Nextcom Generic USB and Nextcom LLC driver left. I chose the first (Generic) driver, resulting in a "Code 10" Cannot Start message.
11. I then uninstalled the drivers and chose "Delete Driver Software" again.
12. I re-scanned the USB devices and got the "Unknown Device Successfully Installed" message. I then tried an update, having cleared the "Show Compatible" box, and chose the Nextcom Generic USB driver. On this attempt, I got a second Windows Security driver warning (in red), which had not appeared before. However, the next message was the usual "Code 10" Cannot Start. I then uninstalled the driver, choosing the delete driver software option.
13. One last try, the same as step 12 (above), except that I chose the 2nd ("Nextcom LLC") driver. As in step 12, I received a second Windows Security warning. The result was the same, (Code 10 Cannot Start.)
HELP Please!
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