Originally posted by cyberbri
One thing I noticed when watching the repeat on Wednesday was that, the sister (blonde) in the brother and sister duo said that someone saved their lives (the guy at the ticket counter or something), because he wouldn't let them have their 1st class seats. They were supposed to be in 1st class, but ended up in economy in the section of the plane with the survivors. There's a reason these two are on the island... I wouldn't have thought so, but they had the polar bear in the comic book for a split second, so they must have already had written out a lot of the story for the first season already.


Well, she was the only one of the survivors who understood enough French to translate the message. Either that, or they could both be there for eye candy.

One thing that has troubled me for a while and hasn't really been discussed much is the missing hairbrushes. At one point Claire and Kate were talking about how weird it was that there were absolutely no hairbrushes to be found in all the baggage. It could be that Sawyer looted them all, but what if there's something more to it than that?

Here is another curious question... In the opening sequence of the Series Pilot, we see Jack unconscious flat on his back then he suddenly gets up and starts running through the jungle with no more than a small wound to his back. How does someone get thrown from a plane that crashes from 35,000 feet and do "all that?"

BTW... The missing hairbrush caper is interesting... Sounds like someone has a fetish!:D

Originally posted by optivity
Here is another curious question... In the opening sequence of the Series Pilot, we see Jack unconscious flat on his back then he suddenly gets up and starts running through the jungle with no more than a small wound to his back. How does someone get thrown from a plane that crashes from 35,000 feet and do "all that?"

BTW... The missing hairbrush caper is interesting... Sounds like someone has a fetish!:D

Or they could be cloned from the DNA found on the hairbrushes...or clones are being made from them at another location.

Originally posted by optivity
Here is another curious question... In the opening sequence of the Series Pilot, we see Jack unconscious flat on his back then he suddenly gets up and starts running through the jungle with no more than a small wound to his back. How does someone get thrown from a plane that crashes from 35,000 feet and do "all that?"
It certainly seems unlikely... But from what one can tell, weren't most of the survivors thrown from the plane to some effect? I recall that most of the people in the fuselage were dead.... and when Jack gets to the beach, there are people running around and dazed all over the place.... people stuck under debris, etc...
I think you just have to believe that they were thrown from the plane just before, or right at, impact...

Originally posted by Iteki
Or they could be cloned from the DNA found on the hairbrushes...or clones are being made from them at another location.

Methinks you might be on to something there, Iteki.... what other possible reason could there be for the hairbrushes to disappear?

Perhaps in follow-on seasons, clones of the castaways, engineered to reach adult size quickly, will begin to appear and sow confusion and discord among the group.

Originally posted by archiguy
Methinks you might be on to something there, Iteki.... what other possible reason could there be for the hairbrushes to disappear?

Perhaps in follow-on seasons, clones of the castaways, engineered to reach adult size quickly, will begin to appear and sow confusion and discord among the group.

So is it really Charlie they rescued or is it.........

his CLONE!!???

Uhh ohh... do I see a guest appearance by multiple versions of Michael Keaton, and wackiness ensues??????

Originally posted by Iteki
Or they could be cloned from the DNA found on the hairbrushes...or clones are being made from them at another location. While an interesting thought... how did they manage to add back their memories and bleeding wounds???:confused:

Or they could be cloned from the DNA found on the hairbrushes...or clones are being made from them at another location.

Another interesting thought to ponder- the only survivor that stands out initially in the series is Locke. Incidentally, he's the only one of the group that has NO need for a hairbrush. Hmmm....

But, he's miraculously cured ... maybe he was already cloned?

-- Rob

Originally posted by DJRobX
But, he's miraculously cured ... maybe he was already cloned?

-- Rob

They're ALL Clones!!!

:D

This new line of 'theories' is cracking me up...

Might be a bit of a stretch though... ;)

(All of this from missing hairbrushes? Sawyer still has a stash of goodies hidden away you know...)

Originally posted by JayDog_2
:D

This new line of 'theories' is cracking me up...

Might be a bit of a stretch though... ;)

(All of this from missing hairbrushes? Sawyer still has a stash of goodies hidden away you know...)

True, but you would think he would have pimped them out by now. It's a fun theory, and would explain why Locke can walk (his condition wasn't a birth defect and would not have been replicated). Also, they don't seem to have any toothbrushes, as evidenced by our Korean lady's improvisation with the plants. Two items that would hold plenty of DNA.

I have no idea how their memories could have been transferred, or if indeed they are all clones. Or even if any of them are clones. But it's fun to talk about until January :-)

So pick your theory:

1) They are all dead, but have been cloned.
2) They survived, but their DNA is being used to clone them elsewhere on the island.
3) Some lived, some died, the 'dead' are clones. Also explains how Jack's dad could have been walking around. (eeewwww)
or (my favorite) 4) Iteki drinks too much

OK fellas... now wait a minute... Clones, missing hair/tooth brushes...

Eye-candy aside... If the premise of Lost becomes so "outrageous" that the story-line is totally unbelievable... I'm going to have to watch something more "plausible" like Stargate SG-9 or Enterprise instead.:p

And just where is... that Dinosaur?

PS. When do the various "Celebrities" begin to make their "guest" appearances?

Originally posted by optivity
OK fellas... now wait a minute... Clones, missing hair/tooth brushes...

Eye-candy aside... If the premise of Lost becomes so "outrageous" that the story-line is totally unbelievable... I'm going to have to watch something more "plausible" like Stargate SG-9 or Enterprise instead.:p

And just where is... that Dinosaur?

PS. When do the various "Celebrities" begin to make their "guest" appearances?

I just want the Japanese officer with the minisub to show up....my favorite Gilligan's guest star ever!

January 19th... Paris Hilton suddenly appears on the island, because since she's named "Paris" they all get her to do more French translating. Turns out America voted her out of the country during the recent Presidential election, and as her plane flew towards India, the U.S. military launched a missle strike on the craft, plunging it onto the island. Sort of a grand-scale version of skeet shooting. Her dog did not survive.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
January 19th... Paris Hilton suddenly appears on the island, because since she's named "Paris" they all get her to do more French translating. Turns out America voted her out of the country during the recent Presidential election, and as her plane flew towards India, the U.S. military launched a missle strike on the craft, plunging it onto the island. Sort of a grand-scale version of skeet shooting. Her dog did not survive. Oh no!!!:eek: No "Simple Life 3?" What will I do?:(

Oh... wait a minute....

Maybe they could "do it" with Nicky Hilton & Nichole Richie instead?:)

Nicky... she's hot!!!;)

(Pictures anyone?... notice the "strategic" use of smiley faces)

PS. Now stop it ucsbgaucho... you're making the writing chores for the Producers of Lost too easy with these story-line ideas or yours!!!:p

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
January 19th... Paris Hilton suddenly appears on the island, because since she's named "Paris" they all get her to do more French translating. Turns out America voted her out of the country during the recent Presidential election, and as her plane flew towards India, the U.S. military launched a missle strike on the craft, plunging it onto the island. Sort of a grand-scale version of skeet shooting. Her dog did not survive. I think this script idea will be the May 2006 cliffhanger after we know the "secret" of the island and the ratings tank. Then "Lost" will morph into something more like "Fantasy Island" (Hurley plays the role of Tattoo).

"De plane, Boss!, de plane, de plane is crashing onto the island!"

Who would play the role of Rourke?

I think you just have to believe that they were thrown from the plane just before, or right at, impact...Don't forget, the implausibility of them surviving the crash has not been LOST (no pun intended of course ;)) on them either. Wasn't it Locke that commented to Jack (when he was talking about the mystical/magical/supernatural nature of the island), that none of them should have made it (and that something was responsible for it)?

ron

Originally posted by R11
Don't forget, the implausibility of them surviving the crash has not been LOST (no pun intended of course ;)) on them either. Wasn't it Locke that commented to Jack (when he was talking about the mystical/magical/supernatural nature of the island), that none of them should have made it (and that something was responsible for it)?

ron

I think it was Sayid talking to Kate, but I know what you mean. The tail came off in mid-flight at altitude. Not a survivable event without a parachute.

What if this show is all an elaborate sequel to "The Truman Show" and they are all unknowingly part of a reality show? Instead of being voted just off the island, the "viewers" of this show are voting to see who gets killed... there's a whole Vegas line on who figures out the island first, who lasts the longest, etc... That's why we dont want them venturing too far away from the beach, someone's going to walk around a corner and all the camera crew will be sitting there eating a catered lunch with Mark Burnett.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
What if this show is all an elaborate sequel to "The Truman Show" and they are all unknowingly part of a reality show? Instead of being voted just off the island, the "viewers" of this show are voting to see who gets killed... there's a whole Vegas line on who figures out the island first, who lasts the longest, etc... That's why we dont want them venturing too far away from the beach, someone's going to walk around a corner and all the camera crew will be sitting there eating a catered lunch with Mark Burnett.

Love that!

I still think there's probably a Hyatt beach resort on the other side of the island... :D


But wait, there are several, it is Hawaii after all!! ;)

<edited to fix my awful typing/mispellings>

Maybe they go to the other side of the island and encounter the cast from The Real Gilligan's Island w/ Rachel Hunter (on tbs)

Originally posted by JayDog_2
"De plane, Boss!, de plane, de plane is crashing onto the island!"

Who would play the role of Rourke?

Locke, of course.

Originally posted by tall1
I think this script idea will be the May 2006 cliffhanger after we know the "secret" of the island and the ratings tank. Then "Lost" will morph into something more like "Fantasy Island" (Hurley plays the role of Tattoo). Exactly!!! A new plane could "crash land" each week and out pop's the next celebrity... Hey look: it's Erik Estrada!!!

Man... we are giving the Lost writers too many good ideas... where are our residuals?

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
That's why we dont want them venturing too far away from the beach, someone's going to walk around a corner and all the camera crew will be sitting there eating a catered lunch with Mark Burnett. I think YOU should try-out for the next round of "Survivor!!!" You know... it's a good way to meet some hot women... even if they may be a little "ripe" after 39 days of trying to "out-wit/out-last" you!!!:D

Originally posted by JayDog_2
"De plane, Boss!, de plane, de plane is crashing onto the island!" Actuallly, Hurley's line would be, "Ah Dude?, De plane, De plane?".

You may have seen it on the news recently -- there's been some BIG surf recently up on the North Shore, 40-50 foot waves! Not sure how big they've been at Mokule'ia, but it's only a few miles from Waimea Bay, so I would imagine they're decent. I'm guessing the producers will find a way of writing them into the script. Maybe Hurley will stage a surf competition? :p

Come to think of it, Hurley International is a big surf clothing company!

Originally posted by DJRobX
But, he's miraculously cured ... maybe he was already cloned?

-- Rob


Locke was walking and helping out on the beach as soon as the plane crashed.

Gilligans Island ?

Originally posted by Sam Bar
Gilligans Island ? No... "Fantasy Island" De plane!!!

Oh Sorry....

I believe Danielle said she was aboard a scientific research vessel that had been stranded on the Lost Island after a terrible storm... So "her" side of the Lost Island must be: "Gilligan’s Island" OK Skipper?:D

BTW... Does anyone remember the significance of the cable that Sayid followed through the jungle, which ultimately let him to "Danielle's habitat?"

Wow, we need some new episodes soon to save this thread : )

Originally posted by Sam Bar
Gilligans Island ?

check your local listings. this is a reality show. it's actually been fun.

http://www.tbs.com/shows/therealgilligansisland/0,,35481,00.html

I was re watching the Pilot and when Jack was getting sewn up, they focused on his tattoo a lot. Any idea what it was? Kinda looked like a sundial with a number 5 and chinese lettering beneath it.

Originally posted by dlan
Locke was walking and helping out on the beach as soon as the plane crashed.

I think the clone theory requires us to acknowledge that the 'crash scene' was staged by the Others. Everyone seem to have just 'woken up' around the same time amidst the confusion. Not saying that's what happened, just having a little fun with the theory.

Originally posted by Iteki
I think the clone theory requires us to acknowledge that the 'crash scene' was staged by the Others. Everyone seem to have just 'woken up' around the same time amidst the confusion. Not saying that's what happened, just having a little fun with the theory.

OK I am in on the clone theory.

I'm not listening LALALALALALA...

Someone was wondering about the repeat schedule. Here it is. Most notably They will be skipping episode 6 so I guess newcomers like me will be looking to view it elsewhere.

12/22 - 8:00 pm ET & 9:00 ET - Episode 1.4 "Walkabout" & 1.5 "White Rabbit" (Repeat)
12/29 - 8:00 pm ET & 9:00 ET - Episode 1.7 "The Moth" & 1.8 "Confidence Man" (Repeat)
01/05 - 8:00 pm ET - Episode 1.12 "Whatever the Case May Be" (New)
01/12 - 8:00 pm ET - Episode 1.13 "Hearts and Minds" (New)
01/19 - 8:00 pm ET - Episode 1.14 "Special" (New)
01/26 - 8:00 pm ET - Episode 1.09 "Solitary" (Repeat)
02/02 - 8:00 pm ET - Episode 1.10 "Raised by Another" (Repeat)

So they are showing new episode starting on Jan 5th?!?

Originally posted by GregF
I'm not listening LALALALALALA...

Someone was wondering about the repeat schedule. Here it is. Most notably They will be skipping episode 6 so I guess newcomers like me will be looking to view it elsewhere.


Wonder why they would skip Ep 6? Seems strange...maybe it's.. lost...:D

Originally posted by keenan
Wonder why they would skip Ep 6? Seems strange...maybe it's.. lost...:D

Will wake up on the beach looking/sounding just like the original. But a little more sinister..... :-)

Originally posted by dlan
OK I am in on the clone theory.

Hmm.. but what about the tatoos? They'd have a hard time remaking the tatoos, if they ink'd the clones, then the tats would be sore and bleedy.

Originally posted by Buji
Hmm.. but what about the tatoos? They'd have a hard time remaking the tatoos, if they ink'd the clones, then the tats would be sore and bleedy. Perhaps the whole cloning process is quite slow, allowing time for tatoos to heal. The passengers may be in stasis, thus wouldn't perceive any passage of time. The clones could be given only the memories necessary to make them assume they were the actual people, and on the plane when it crashed (a "6th Day" sort of thing).

Originally posted by NetworkTV
Perhaps the whole cloning process is quite slow, allowing time for tatoos to heal. The passengers may be in stasis, thus wouldn't perceive any passage of time. The clones could be given only the memories necessary to make them assume they were the actual people, and on the plane when it crashed (a "6th Day" sort of thing).

A good point...no idea how much time took place between the time the plane crashed and the time they 'woke up'. :-) this is fun. The tattoos was a good question. Also the question of any scars from accidents/surgeries, etc.

Originally posted by Iteki
A good point...no idea how much time took place between the time the plane crashed and the time they 'woke up'. :-) this is fun. The tattoos was a good question. Also the question of any scars from accidents/surgeries, etc. You have to figure if they have the capacity to clone a grown person in any reasonably short time, they would probably have the technology to reproduce scars, wounds and tatoos with little problem.

The one issue I have with this is regarding Locke. If they really are going through this much trouble to make them think they are the real person, why have Locke be able to walk? Weren't they at all concerned he'd be suspicious of this sudden turn of events? My only theory I can reasonably come up with is that Locke isn't a clone at all, was healed and deliberately put among the clones to either keep order - or abolish it. It makes me wonder if the "others" are watching this grand experiment in some fashion, like the aliens on that old Twighlight Zone episode. Cut the power to the whole street except one house, then see how everyone turns on one another.

Australians are going to get shafted with this show :( The network that has the rights are going to show it in 576p Low Def

Originally posted by NetworkTV
....like the aliens on that old Twilight Zone episode

Weren't the observers Army personnel? Perhaps Don Rumsfield will show up on the final episode and say "Surprise!!" :)

Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
Weren't the observers Army personnel? Perhaps Don Rumsfield will show up on the final episode and say "Surprise!!" :)

Depends on which version. The original version of the Monsters are Due on Maple Street in the '60s had aliens testing what it would take to panic earthlings. The updated version shown on UPN indeed had the military behind it.

Originally posted by NetworkTV
Perhaps the whole cloning process is quite slow, allowing time for tatoos to heal. The passengers may be in stasis, thus wouldn't perceive any passage of time. The clones could be given only the memories necessary to make them assume they were the actual people, and on the plane when it crashed (a "6th Day" sort of thing).

Depends on the type of clone. The "Star Wars" type tend to take a while. The "Invasion of the Body Snatcher" type happens overnight given a sufficient supply of pods.

I'm not convinced of clones, though. If we assume they are not dead as the producers indicate (I'm sure they wouldn't LIE to us about a thing like that ;-)) and the islanders themselves agree with us that the odds of them actually surviving a catastrophic crash like that are slim, then someone or something intervened. For what purpose...well that's why we keep coming back.

The writers have thrown out enough hints of black vs. white, light vs. dark, good vs. evil and right choices vs. wrong choices to lead us down the path of giving people a second chance. At the very least, comments like "we all died a few days ago" certainly establish they are starting with a clean slate. They don't have to be what they were in their past.

Originally posted by GregF
I'm not listening LALALALALALA...

Someone was wondering about the repeat schedule. Here it is. Most notably They will be skipping episode 6 so I guess newcomers like me will be looking to view it elsewhere.

12/22 - 8:00 pm ET & 9:00 ET - Episode 1.4 "Walkabout" & 1.5 "White Rabbit" (Repeat)
12/29 - 8:00 pm ET & 9:00 ET - Episode 1.7 "The Moth" & 1.8 "Confidence Man" (Repeat)
01/05 - 8:00 pm ET - Episode 1.12 "Whatever the Case May Be" (New)
01/12 - 8:00 pm ET - Episode 1.13 "Hearts and Minds" (New)
01/19 - 8:00 pm ET - Episode 1.14 "Special" (New)
01/26 - 8:00 pm ET - Episode 1.09 "Solitary" (Repeat)
02/02 - 8:00 pm ET - Episode 1.10 "Raised by Another" (Repeat)

Is Eps 6 Kate's back story? Of course they're skipping that one. It's the only one I've missed.

:mad:

Originally posted by PJO1966
Is Eps 6 Kate's back story? Of course they're skipping that one. It's the only one I've missed.

:mad: Episode 6 may(?) be skipped because it focused on the Korean couple: Jin & Sun. I guess the Producers of Lost figure they aren’t central to the show’s development through the first 11 episodes. Episode 3 focused on Kate and her flashbacks to Australia where the Marshall apprehended her.

Originally posted by optivity
Episode 6 may(?) be skipped because it focused on the Korean couple: Jin & Sun. I guess the Producers of Lost figure they aren’t central to the show’s development through the first 11 episodes. Episode 3 focused on Kate and her flashbacks to Australia where the Marshall apprehended her.

Thanks for the clarification. Unfortunately I don't see Eps. 3 listed above either.

Originally posted by optivity
BTW... Does anyone remember the significance of the cable that Sayid followed through the jungle, which ultimately let him to "Danielle's habitat?"
It wasn't explained, which left its significance up to us to speculate about...

Some of the theories:
1) A tether of sorts that was attached to Rouseau's sunken ship...
2) In addition to #1, included electricity for Rouseau's hideout...
3) Nothing of true significance except to lure a curious individual to a trap for Rouseau's capture.

It's hard to say for sure... The idea of electrical cable has its flaws... even if the sunken ship had nuclear or other sustainable power source... it's under water... I don't see how well that could work. So just a tether seems more logical, perhaps a way for Rouseau to find her sunken ship if when she needed to venture down for supplies?

Originally posted by JayDog_2
It's hard to say for sure... The idea of electrical cable has its flaws... even if the sunken ship had nuclear or other sustainable power source... it's under water... I don't see how well that could work. So just a tether seems more logical, perhaps a way for Rouseau to find her sunken ship if when she needed to venture down for supplies?

It could be an onshore generator powering something underwater.

That's true... didn't consider that it would be feeding something underwater...
Hmmm... :)

Originally posted by JayDog_2
That's true... didn't consider that it would be feeding something underwater...
Hmmm... :)

It could also be a communications conduit, as opposed to power.

That's true as well... for broadband internet, or something... ;)

Originally posted by JayDog_2
That's true as well... for broadband internet, or something... ;)

I'm sure They are contributing to this thread... whoever They are...

Originally posted by JayDog_2
It wasn't explained, which left its significance up to us to speculate about...

Some of the theories:
1) A tether of sorts that was attached to Rouseau's sunken ship...
2) In addition to #1, included electricity for Rouseau's hideout...
3) Nothing of true significance except to lure a curious individual to a trap for Rouseau's capture.

It's hard to say for sure... The idea of electrical cable has its flaws... even if the sunken ship had nuclear or other sustainable power source... it's under water... I don't see how well that could work. So just a tether seems more logical, perhaps a way for Rouseau to find her sunken ship if when she needed to venture down for supplies?
Originally posted by Iteki
It could be an onshore generator powering something underwater.

It could also be a communications conduit, as opposed to power.I could have sworn I heard Sayid and Danielle mention something about that cable, but I just can't remember what was said.

Originally posted by optivity
I could have sworn I heard Sayid and Danielle mention something about that cable, but I just can't remember what was said.

It wasn't discussed in depth. Sayid brought it up, Danielle didn't respond to it. She changes the subject.

Tied to a bed Sayid is being electrocuted by what looks like car battery chargers

SAYID: Ahhh please just listen to me. I keep telling you, I don’t know who Alex is I am a survivor of a plane crash I found the wire on the beach I followed it. I thought it might have something to do with the transmission we picked up on the receiver... a recording a mayday w/ a French woman repeating on a loop for 16 yrs.

DANIELLE: 16 yrs has it really been that long?

SAYID: You

DANIELLE: You just happened to hear my distress call I know what you are.

Commercial

Hm, kind of bogus to not show all the eps in repeats. I thought the point was to let people who came late to catch up? I've checked several weeks ahead (like noted above) and don't see anything I've not seen (like Kate's story, etc.). (I started about four or five in, I think...)

And adding more new eps and *then* more repeats? Huh?

Originally posted by hefe
It wasn't discussed in depth. Sayid brought it up, Danielle didn't respond to it. She changes the subject. This is one interesting aspect regarding Lost... little snippets of conversation which are seemingly innocuous... but really provide important "loose-ends" to be tied-up later on.:rolleyes:

Exactly... the whole thing is like a book to read five times to get 'everything' out of it! :)

Now, excuse me, but I thought I watched the pilot last week carefully (didn't see it the first time). Where was the part about Jack and his father's coffin and all that? Did I just miss it or are we talking from a backstory ep I've perhaps not seen yet (like 'White Rabbit'?).

Yes, the first of Jack's backstory episodes is called, "White Rabbit"...

Several things are revealed here... discoveries are made, etc... (don't want to give too much away for those that haven't seen it...)

Originally posted by leesweet
Hm, kind of bogus to not show all the eps in repeats. I thought the point was to let people who came late to catch up? I've checked several weeks ahead (like noted above) and don't see anything I've not seen (like Kate's story, etc.). (I started about four or five in, I think...)

And adding more new eps and *then* more repeats? Huh? There also seems to be a pattern of "continued" flashbacks... where the flashback being shown reveals more about the character's initial flashback (e.g. Jack's initial flashback where he recovers his father's body is further explained in a subsequent flashback that goes to an earlier time where Jack narc's out his father to the hospital review board).

OK ... I'll tell you what the cable is. This is acutally the newest and ultra-top secret reality show. They aren't really acting. ABC suckered a plane load of actors to all take a flight together and they drugged them. When they woke up with a plane full of rotting corpses they never even suspected they were on a reality show.

Or not.

[edit] Apologies to ucsbgaucho. I just read back through the thread a ways and found the same theory.

Originally posted by NetworkTV
You have to figure if they have the capacity to clone a grown person in any reasonably short time, they would probably have the technology to reproduce scars, wounds and tatoos with little problem.

Not to mention cloning a grown person with completely formed intelligence and memories. Scars, wounds and tatoos ... please

Originally posted by PhredC
OK ... I'll tell you what the cable is. This is acutally the newest and ultra-top secret reality show. They aren't really acting. ABC suckered a plane load of actors to all take a flight together and they drugged them. When they woke up with a plane full of rotting corpses they never even suspected they were on a reality show.

Or not. So will cannibalism and necrophilia be considered reward or immunity challenges?:D

Champion_R said:
Australians are going to get shafted with this show The network that has the rights are going to show it in 576p Low DefMaybe to Aussies 576p is low def; here in the Americas it seems more like "mid-def". After all, it's 20% less than 720p — at least for separating horizontal lines — and 20% more than 480p:

576/720 = 0.8
576/480 = 1.2

NTSC = 480i
Fox (faux) Widescreen, now defunct = 480p
ED = roughly 576p
HD = 720p, 1080i, or better

Originally posted by Syzygy
Maybe to Aussies 576p is low def; here in the Americas it seems more like "mid-def". After all, it's 20% less than 720p — at least for separating horizontal lines — and 20% more than 480p:

576/720 = 0.8
576/480 = 1.2

NTSC = 480i
Fox (faux) Widescreen, now defunct = 480p
ED = roughly 576p
HD = 720p, 1080i, or better
The 576p Low Def channel is 720x576 and 720p is 1280x720 plus this 576p Low Def channels bitrate is only 9mbits. Horrible isn't a strong enough word.

having missed LOST the 1st time around, i was glad to see it being re-broadcasted & have programmed my HD-DVR to catch it

since the new epsiodes start on 1/5, am i correct that ONLY 6 hours of the originally shown 11 hours will be rebroadcast? (will the other 5 previously shown shows also be rebroadcast at some time?)

NOTE: i tried to look for this inf on the massive LOST thread BUT stopped real fast, since almost all of the posts talked about plot details instead (SPOILERS to me who have not seen a single episode yet) - therefore, i'm also not reading (or posting) into that thread - this is meant for folks new to the show

thks!

Topics merged.

Originally posted by meta
having missed LOST the 1st time around, i was glad to see it being re-broadcasted & have programmed my HD-DVR to catch it

since the new epsiodes start on 1/5, am i correct that ONLY 6 hours of the originally shown 11 hours will be rebroadcast? (will the other 5 previously shown shows also be rebroadcast at some time?)

NOTE: i tried to look for this inf on the massive LOST thread BUT stopped real fast, since almost all of the posts talked about plot details instead (SPOILERS to me who have not seen a single episode yet) - therefore, i'm also not reading (or posting) into that thread - this is meant for folks new to the show

thks! The first two episodes were rebroadcast last Wednesday: 12/15. This information was provided by: PJO1966

"Someone was wondering about the repeat schedule. Here it is. Most notably They will be skipping episode 6 so I guess newcomers like me will be looking to view it elsewhere.

12/22 - 8:00 pm ET & 9:00 ET - Episode 1.4 "Walkabout" & 1.5 "White Rabbit" (Repeat)
12/29 - 8:00 pm ET & 9:00 ET - Episode 1.7 "The Moth" & 1.8 "Confidence Man" (Repeat)
01/05 - 8:00 pm ET - Episode 1.12 "Whatever the Case May Be" (New)
01/12 - 8:00 pm ET - Episode 1.13 "Hearts and Minds" (New)
01/19 - 8:00 pm ET - Episode 1.14 "Special" (New)
01/26 - 8:00 pm ET - Episode 1.09 "Solitary" (Repeat)
02/02 - 8:00 pm ET - Episode 1.10 "Raised by Another" (Repeat)"

It seems episodes 3, 6, 9, 10 and 11 are not scheduled to be shown again before new episodes starting with 12 air on 1/05/05. After new episodes 12, 13 and 14 are shown, episodes 9 & 10 will repeat. I suppose the Producers thought the episodes being repeated between 12/15 and 1/5 are the most important for those new to Lost. If you go to abc.com you can find a link to the Lost TV series where there is a synopsis of each episode. The write-up for each episode is brief so a lot of details aren't discussed. Lost has been picked up for a full season so there should be 22 episodes before Summer repeats. Enjoy!:)

bump - this thread hasn't fallen from the first page since it was started.

I just watched episodes 4 & 5 again tonight. Funny how many clues I picked up on that made no sense the first time around.

Claire and Kate talking about there being no hair brushes, Sun and Michael brushing their teeth with aloe leaves (where are all the toothbrushes?). it definitely means something, I just don't know what yet.

Also, Jack finding water just when the supply was about to run out. He found it while chasing what was probably the only thing he would have gone that deep into the island for in that direction. Like Locke said, the island will give you what you want, you just have to give it something first.

Last night WTNH on Comcast did not air the two shows in HD. Was this local, or what is an ABC issue?

HD on WJLA in DC.

WJLA in DC's PSIP broke, so HD TiVos didn't record. #&$($#! Can someone steer me to a detailed summary elsewhere of last night's eps (especially White Rabbit; I've seen Walkabout...). Thanks!

HD on WMAR in Baltimore. It did go to SD a couple of min. before the first episode was over, but went back to HD as soon as the next one started. About 5 min. before the show started, they were checking the 5.1 audio on WMAR over the regular sound. A guy was saying 'left surround, right surround, center, while the previous show was on. I just got a Sony XBR960 Dec. 1, and enjoying the reruns in HD.

Went to SD in Houston just before the first episode was over. Had HD, then wierd pixelation and SD for a few minutes then back to HD. Must have been an ABC thing not with the local stations.

Originally posted by leesweet
WJLA in DC's PSIP broke, so HD TiVos didn't record. #&$($#! Can someone steer me to a detailed summary elsewhere of last night's eps (especially White Rabbit; I've seen Walkabout...). Thanks!


The story started out with a flashback of Jack as a boy getting his ass kicked because he was trying to help a friend who was being attacked by school bully's. When his Dad saw his bruises he told jack that he didn't have what it takes.???

Then Jack tried to rescue a crash survivor who was drowning but ended up rescuing someone else (Boone) who had gone to her rescue first. He saved Boone but the girl drowned. (Not a character that we had seen)

The major part of the story was Jack chasing his dead father around the island. He was on the flight because his mother sent him to Australia to find his dad and bring him home. His mother said he had to find him because of what Jack had done to him.

He found him in the morgue and the ME said COD was a massive MI caused by an extremely high BAC. Jack was bringing him home to bury him.

While chasing his dead dad he discovers another part of the plane and his Dad's casket laying in the jungle. He opens the casket and it's empty.

In the mean time Hurley discovers that they are down to 18 bottles of water. Claire passes out from heat and when they go to get her some it is gone. Someone stole all the remaining water. A little later Hurley finds Boone giving water to her and realizes Boone was the one who stole it.

When Jack found the casket it was located next to a waterfall, a source of fresh water for the survivors.

I think that's the major storyline, as I remember it. Lot's of detail missing as it would take several pages to include it all

Originally posted by leesweet
WJLA in DC's PSIP broke, so HD TiVos didn't record. #&$($#! Can someone steer me to a detailed summary elsewhere of last night's eps (especially White Rabbit; I've seen Walkabout...). Thanks!

abc.com has an episode guide with synopsis for each episode: http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/5.html

Originally posted by Bill Shakespeare
abc.com has an episode guide with synopsis for each episode: http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/5.html

Thanks for that... I'm finally caught up on Kate's back story.

In the SF Bay Area Lost went to SD about 5 min. before the end of the 2nd episode but what really angered me was ABC put this truly obnoxious big logo at the bottom . GRRRRR

Originally posted by Plasmacat
In the SF Bay Area Lost went to SD about 5 min. before the end of the 2nd episode but what really angered me was ABC put this truly obnoxious big logo at the bottom . GRRRRR

You can say that again "abc" inside a snowflake was fully 1/4th the height of the screen. I bet they thought they were being clever....

Gary

I have a question for all of you, and this relates to the show more than anything. How do any of them know that they arent dead? In a simpler form, how do you know you're not dead?

Originally posted by NickFoley
I have a question for all of you, and this relates to the show more than anything. How do any of them know that they arent dead? In a simpler form, how do you know you're not dead?

because that would be lame and has been exploited way too many times in the last few years?

the following movies off the top of my head


the sixth sense
the others

Originally posted by NickFoley
I have a question for all of you, and this relates to the show more than anything. How do any of them know that they arent dead? In a simpler form, how do you know you're not dead?

Open mouth, insert foot. That exact topic has been discussed no less than four times in this very thread, and denied in another Forum (linked to in this thread) by the makers of the show.

Gary

Originally posted by NickFoley
I have a question for all of you, and this relates to the show more than anything. How do any of them know that they arent dead? In a simpler form, how do you know you're not dead? I too was chastised for asking this question along the thread which seems to cause a great annoyance to some of the Forum members (or at least provides them with an opportunity to belittle the poster). I guess you're not allowed to participate until you have come up-to-speed by reading the 1000 or so previous posts.:D
Originally posted by Gary McCoy Open mouth, insert foot. That exact topic has been discussed no less than four times in this very thread, and denied in another Forum (linked to in this thread) by the makers of the show.

Gary I'm still wondering how the Producers will explain the opening sequence where we see Jack lying on his back having been thrown clear of a plane that crashed to the Lost Island from 35,000 feet where he immediately gets up/runs around and is basically "unscathed?":confused:

Originally posted by optivity
I guess you're not allowed to participate until you have come up-to-speed by reading the 1000 or so previous posts.:D
Type "dead" and search the thread. You will come up with 4 pages of posts.

Originally posted by optivity
I'm still wondering how the Producers will explain the opening sequence where we see Jack lying on his back having been thrown clear of a plane that crashed to the Lost Island from 35,000 feet where he immediately gets up/runs around and is basically "unscathed?":confused: I am not a plane crash expert but I have read accounts of plane crash survivors who wake up in a corn field relatively unscathed. Sioux City for one...you can read about many survivors who walked away with out a scratch.

Originally posted by tall1
Type "dead" and search the thread. You will come up with 4 pages of posts. I guess provided one has made more than 11 posts (e.g. NickFoley) and knew enough the use the search term: dead, to cull the relative information from the Lost thread and read a succinct portion regarding the dead sub-topic (yada, yada, yada...) only then... would they be able to add an additional post that meets with your approval!:eek: Originally posted by tall1
I am not a plane crash expert but I have read accounts of plane crash survivors who wake up in a corn field relatively unscathed. Sioux City for one...you can read about many survivors who walked away with out a scratch.But from 35,000 feet?:confused: Right, I'm sure people survive all the time.:) Well, at least they do on Lost!:)

Originally posted by optivity
I guess provided one has made more than 11 posts (e.g. NickFoley) and knew enough the use the search term: dead, to cull the relative information from the Lost thread and read a succinct portion regarding the dead sub-topic (yada, yada, yada...) only then... would they be able to add an additional post that meets with your approval!:eek: No need to get pissy. I was offering a suggestion. Spew your venom someplace else.

Originally posted by tall1
I am not a plane crash expert but I have read accounts of plane crash survivors who wake up in a corn field relatively unscathed. Sioux City for one...you can read about many survivors who walked away with out a scratch.

True, but those cornfields weren't 35,000 feet up in the air. :)

Planes don't fly without a tail. How 48 people survived with only minor injuries after a 35,000 plummet to earth is a question that will either be explained by some supernatural event - or it will just be ignored and we are to disregard the feasability of it.

Originally posted by CPanther95
True, but those cornfields weren't 35,000 feet up in the air. :)

Planes don't fly without a tail. How 48 people survived with only minor injuries after a 35,000 plummet to earth is a question that will either be explained by some supernatural event - or it will just be ignored and we are to disregard the feasability of it. Exactly! Although personally, I'd prefer a plausible:rolleyes: explanation.Originally posted by tall1
No need to get pissy. I was offering a suggestion. Spew your venom someplace else.I'm sorry if you misunderstood or feel compelled to misconstrue my response... Believe me, I appreciate your sage advice.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by optivity
I'm sorry if you misunderstood or feel compelled to misconstrue my response... Believe me, I appreciate your sage advice.:rolleyes: Likewise.

The only survivors were in the section that had wings and at least some of the engines were still functioning. It is conceivable that they had enough lift to not fall like a rock.

Originally posted by archiguy
I think Hurley is part of The Others just because he's probably the least likely, based on his personality and actions. Remember, this is a J.J. Abrams show and he loves to mis-direct the viewer. But there have been clues: Sawyer asking who's going to interview him, not seeing him on the plane, etc.

When Hurley first meets Sayid, Sayid tells him he was in the Gulf war. Hurley then says something like "oh yeah, my buddy was in the 51st airborne" or something like that and asks sayid what division he was in and Sayid says he was in the Royal army or something.

Anyway, just more evidence that we dont' think its Hurley unless the "others" have some sort of satellite tv where they can catch up on world events and current slang.

Lost returns on 1/5/05 right?

Originally posted by Kamakzie
Lost returns on 1/5/05 right?

Correct - Episode 12: "Whatever the Case May Be"

Originally posted by Deric
When Hurley first meets Sayid, Sayid tells him he was in the Gulf war. Hurley then says something like "oh yeah, my buddy was in the 51st airborne" or something like that and asks sayid what division he was in and Sayid says he was in the Royal army or something.

Anyway, just more evidence that we dont' think its Hurley unless the "others" have some sort of satellite tv where they can catch up on world events and current slang. I seem to remember when Hurley and Charlie were trying to spear fish that Hurley motioned fishing with his father in Santa Monica. Also something a contemporary "dude" would do, not an individual Lost for 16 years.

Originally posted by nessus
I seem to remember when Hurley and Charlie were trying to spear fish that Hurley motioned fishing with his father in Santa Monica. Also something a contemporary "dude" would do, not an individual Lost for 16 years.

Actually, growing up down there, and knowing the trouble they've had with mercury, I wouldn't eat anything that came out Santa Monica Bay. :p

Originally posted by Deric
When Hurley first meets Sayid, Sayid tells him he was in the Gulf war. Hurley then says something like "oh yeah, my buddy was in the 51st airborne" or something like that and asks sayid what division he was in and Sayid says he was in the Royal army or something.

Anyway, just more evidence that we dont' think its Hurley unless the "others" have some sort of satellite tv where they can catch up on world events and current slang.

I'm sure they were referring to the first Gulf War during Bush Sr's presidential term, not the current. We haven't seen the full Sayid story but I would ASSume that he ran away from Iraq long before the more recent Gulf War

...Sayid says he was in the Royal army or something.
Republican Guard, not Royal Army...

Originally posted by optivity
Exactly! Although personally, I'd prefer a plausible:rolleyes: explanation.

Let me see if I understand: You are perfectly fine with a Polar Bear roaming about a Tropical Isle and a wheelchair bound man suddenly becoming Rambo, yet need a plausible explanation for surviving an airline crash? OK, got it! :)

Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
Let me see if I understand: You are perfectly fine with a Polar Bear roaming about a Tropical Isle and a wheelchair bound man suddenly becoming Rambo, yet need a plausible explanation for surviving an airline crash? OK, got it! :) LOL - since you put it THAT way..... :D

Originally posted by Jimbo Moron
Let me see if I understand: You are perfectly fine with a Polar Bear roaming about a Tropical Isle and a wheelchair bound man suddenly becoming Rambo, yet need a plausible explanation for surviving an airline crash? OK, got it! :) I never said I needed an answer for anything on Lost, only that "I'd prefer a plausible explanation" regarding how Jack survived the plane crash. If this is what "strikes" you on this thread consisting of more than 1000 posts... 1) I feel sad:( that this is your BIG DEAL !!! And 2) If you want to play your 'little' game of word semantics... at least try and be accurate!!:D

Lighten up, Francis :)

Originally posted by optivity
I never said I needed an answer for anything on Lost, only that "I'd prefer a plausible explanation" regarding how Jack survived the plane crash. If this is what "strikes" you on this thread consisting of more than 1000 posts... 1) I feel sad:( that this is your BIG DEAL !!! And 2) If you want to play your 'little' game of word semantics... at least try and be accurate!!:D

Please accept my sincerest apology for offending you so by implying that you might actually need an explanation for anything.

Below is my corrected post:

Let me see if I understand: You are perfectly fine with a Polar Bear roaming about a Tropical Isle and a wheelchair bound man suddenly becoming Rambo, yet wants (would like, would prefer to have, might enjoy or desires) a plausible explanation for (Jack) surviving an airline crash? OK, got it!

I hope the corrected version meets with your approval.

I love it when people argue about this TELEVISION show.

Originally posted by Jimbo Moron
Please accept my sincerest apology for offending you so by implying that you might actually need an explanation for anything.

Below is my corrected post:

Let me see if I understand: You are perfectly fine with a Polar Bear roaming about a Tropical Isle and a wheelchair bound man suddenly becoming Rambo, yet wants (would like, would prefer to have, might enjoy or desires) a plausible explanation for (Jack) surviving an airline crash? OK, got it!

I hope the corrected version meets with your approval. Thanks, your apology is accepted. My advice to you is the next time you "quote" someone, use their entire post, not just the portion that suits you in an effort to bust a$$.

:D :D

Keep on topic, eliminate the personal comments and name calling, or comments will be deleted.

A belated thanks for the abc.go.com link! I've finally caught up with the show, which is good, since we don't appear to have the rerun schedule we once thought we did.

I'd, also, like a good explanation for the survival of these people. Planes can't fly without a tail. Sorry. But, I do acknowledge that anything's possible on Lost! :D

Originally posted by leesweet
I'd, also, like a good explanation for the survival of these people. Planes can't fly without a tail. Sorry. But, I do acknowledge that anything's possible on Lost! :D

But if you acknowledge anything is possible, why do you look for plausible explanations? Accept it until the facts are revealed.;)

Bob

Originally posted by leesweet
A belated thanks for the abc.go.com link! I've finally caught up with the show, which is good, since we don't appear to have the rerun schedule we once thought we did.

I'd, also, like a good explanation for the survival of these people. Planes can't fly without a tail. Sorry. But, I do acknowledge that anything's possible on Lost! :D ABC's Lost has created lots of questions and loose ends; with 11 episodes remaining hopefully some answers will be revealed. While as fans of the show we are willing to accept 'anything' is possible; it would make sense if some of the story lines contained a modicum of 'real-world' explanations. Be advised not to raise any issues regarding plane crashes or dead people; they seem to cause 'great controversy' among this Forum participants.

Originally posted by dmbatch
The only survivors were in the section that had wings and at least some of the engines were still functioning. It is conceivable that they had enough lift to not fall like a rock.

Well, not exactly....

Remember the black woman sitting out by herself on the beach and Jack, ever the reluctant do-gooder, went out to comfort her? She mentioned that her husband, with her on the flight and [perhaps - can't quite remember] in the rear of the plane when it fell off, wasn't dead? And in a very matter-of-fact fashion.

There may be a second group of survivors from that section of the plane somewhere else on the island. If this show is going to continue on for years, depending on ratings, the writers may have created this sort of scenario to give them more dramatic possibilities as time goes on.

Originally posted by Deric
When Hurley first meets Sayid, Sayid tells him he was in the Gulf war. Hurley then says something like "oh yeah, my buddy was in the 51st airborne" or something like that and asks sayid what division he was in and Sayid says he was in the Royal army or something.

Anyway, just more evidence that we dont' think its Hurley unless the "others" have some sort of satellite tv where they can catch up on world events and current slang.

and....

I seem to remember when Hurley and Charlie were trying to spear fish that Hurley motioned fishing with his father in Santa Monica. Also something a contemporary "dude" would do, not an individual Lost for 16 years

Ah, just more disinformation from J.J.! He's got you guys suckered in. Hurley's an "Other"; you just wait! :D

you may have a point, according to AICN (ain't it cool news) Hurley's story won't appear until episode 18:

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=19034

I kinda dig the Hurley porn star idea in a warped kind of way...

Originally posted by NorthJersey
I kinda dig the Hurley porn star idea in a warped kind of way...

As Hurley might say: Uh, dude, I don't think I'd a' told that." :D

The only way someone looking like Hurley could've been in porn would have been if it was the 1970's.

Originally posted by PJO1966
The only way someone looking like Hurley could've been in porn would have been if it was the 1970's.

But there is a fetish for everything under the sun, including 'large' people. SOMEONE out there is willing to fork over $$ to see him work it lol. Just not us!

good point.

So then the question must be asked... who will hook-up first?

Kate & Jack or

Kate & Sawyer or maybe...

Kate & Sayid?

Charlie & Clair... Michael & Sun?

Maybe even Hurley & (pretty boy) Boone... not that there's anything wrong with that!:)

You forgot Jack & Boone & Sawyer.

My vote goes to the French lady and whoever she damn well pleases. :D

Originally posted by PJO1966
You forgot Jack & Boone & Sawyer. Add Kate and they might have a "group" thing going.:D

It's kinda common knowledge in the Lost forums that Kate is going to be "flirty" with Sawyer before she finally settles on Jack as an island boyfriend.

After all, Sawyer finds her "secret dossier briefcase" on the next episode, so expect them to be close.

Originally posted by neoufo51
It's kinda common knowledge in the Lost forums that Kate is going to be "flirty" with Sawyer before she finally settles on Jack as an island boyfriend.

After all, Sawyer finds her "secret dossier briefcase" on the next episode, so expect them to be close. All I know is that Kate has already kissed Sawyer so after she kisses Jack she will be in the position to decide who she prefers.

Originally posted by nessus
All I know is that Kate has already kissed Sawyer so after she kisses Jack she will be in the position to decide who she prefers.

And she's already seen Sawyer's package...although the water was cold, in his defense :-)

Sawyer and Sayid...they're made for each other...

Originally posted by Iteki
And she's already seen Sawyer's package...although the water was cold, in his defense :-) Yes, which reminds me of the "shrinkage" factor.

Anyone catch the preview for next week's episode? Lily in her undies under a waterfall. I'll make sure the high-def is cranked up for that episode.

She made a lot of fans with two earlier scenes:

1) Washing herself in the surf in an early episode.

2) The "bee attack" scene.

I admit to stepping single-frame in HD through each of them. I'm there for next week.

About time we got a new episode. (And by the way her character is named Kate, her stage name is Evangeline Lilly.)

Gary

My money is still on Kate hooking up with Sawyer first, that way her unrequited love for Jack will continue. Another bathing scene featuring Kate will be appreciated, it's been too long since the ocean enticement.

Originally posted by auburn97
I'll make sure the high-def is cranked up for that episode. Which knob do you tweak to "crank it up"? :p

Anyone else notice how much younger the cast looked in the early episodes?

Of course, it's only been a few months. But maybe they've been partying a little too much in Hawaii.

as always, screen captures from this week's viewing will be appreciated!

for HD PQ comparison, of course

From the promo, it looks like Lilly is jumping from the top of the waterfall. Does she do her own stunts or do we have to find a name for her double?

Originally posted by wco81
Anyone else notice how much younger the cast looked in the early episodes?

Of course, it's only been a few months. But maybe they've been partying a little too much in Hawaii.

It's funny how that happens...starving artists finally get work and then promptly get fat and happy. :-)

Most of them have clauses in their contracts that require them to stay a certain weight and stay in shape, etc. Wonder if they do? Hurley? :-)

Originally posted by mjburton
as always, screen captures from this week's viewing will be appreciated!

for HD PQ comparison, of course I would also like to see screen captures of the waterfall to determine PQ and if Kate obscures the scene by falling off the cliff in her panties...well, I can live with that. ;)

Originally posted by Iteki
It's funny how that happens...starving artists finally get work and then promptly get fat and happy. :-)

Most of them have clauses in their contracts that require them to stay a certain weight and stay in shape, etc. Wonder if they do? Hurley? :-) I remember on Star Trek: Voyager when the actress Jeri Ryan was hired to play the "Seven of Nine" character. She was painted into her outfit and probably told she could not gain more than 6oz. for the duration of her contract. At the time the show's producer's said she was hired to appeal to the 15-year-old male demographic. Being in my early 40's and not emotionally maturing beyond the age of 16, I fit right in!:)Originally posted by tall1 I would also like to see screen captures of the waterfall to determine PQ and if Kate obscures the scene by falling off the cliff in her panties...well, I can live with thatYou gotta love it! Two simple girls.

Count me in with the people that want to see HD captures. My wife made the mistake of having our daughter 3 years ago tomorrow. Her birthday party will not be at home. I then made the mistake of not having any way to record HD. I will have to tape this episode on the old fashioned VCR.

I'll have to make sure that my wife doesn't make any similar mistakes in the future!

:D

An aside--not too long ago, Evangeline Lilly, the actress who plays Kate, was on the G4TV videogame review program Judgement Day--I was watching a rerun today and saw her. She was a "spokesmodel" in their hardware segments, holding and manipulating gaming hardware (I won't say it if you don't :)), while the hosts talked about it off camera. She and the other girls who serve in this capacity never had/have any lines.

I spotted the actor who plays the Korean man in Spiderman 2- he plays a technician in the scene where Doctor Octavius is debuting his fusion system.

Also, the young actor who plays Walt was the boy who was killed in "You Got Served".

I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread yet, but there is a day-by-day diary kept by someone on the island that is on ABC's website. Kind of cheesy, but some more insight into others on the island. Any idea who it is?

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary1.html

I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread yet, but there is a day-by-day diary kept by someone on the island that is on ABC's website. Kind of cheesy, but some more insight into others on the island. Any idea who it is?
The common assumption is that it's Shannon...

(Entries mention locating a swimsuit, having guys try to pick her up, and refers to Claire as "the preggo chick.")

—Dan

Great Kate shots@ the lagoon.


How timely, a Tsunami.

Originally posted by ftboomer
Great Kate shots@ the lagoon.


How timely, a Tsunami.

Yes they are nice shots!

Actually someone earlier in the thread mentioned that Hawaii was getting some larger than usual surf in the area where LOST is filmed and wondered how it would affect the show. Apparently they wrote it in to the story.

Originally posted by auburn97
I spotted the actor who plays the Korean man in Spiderman 2 He is in a lot of shows. He was a semi-regular as one of the weasel lawyers of Wolfram and Hart on the series Angel.

Daniel Dae Kim - TvTome (http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/PersonDetail/personid-2223/)

YMMV

cut off the last minute of lost...can someone tell me what happened after spoiled girl started singing the French version of Beyond the Sea?

Nothing else important.. Just a sneak peek at next week's show

anyone else think that Boone isn't Shannon's brother after all? I think he might be the kid she was talking about...

Originally posted by nuzzy
anyone else think that Boone isn't Shannon's brother after all? I think he might be the kid she was talking about...

Don't you think he'd be a little younger then. They are both close in age. I also thought from the very beginning that they were not siblings though.

Originally posted by houset
Don't you think he'd be a little younger then. They are both close in age. I also thought from the very beginning that they were not siblings though.

Crazy look he gave her when she was singing...

Please tell me there is no nasty incest thing going on....creepy!

So I popped Finding Nemo into the DVD player, and sure enough, the end credits song is Beyond the Sea. First lyrics are this:

Somewhere, beyond the sea
Somewhere, waiting for me
My lover stands on golden sands
watching the ships go sailin'...

In the context of Rousseau, I'm not sure what it means. But as far as the black lady, she's so sure her husband isn't dead, I wonder if it isn't some foreshadowing. It should be interesting when her back-story is revealed.

Originally posted by auburn97
So I popped Finding Nemo into the DVD player, and sure enough, the end credits song is Beyond the Sea. First lyrics are this:

Somewhere, beyond the sea
Somewhere, waiting for me
My lover stands on golden sands
watching the ships go sailin'...

In the context of Rousseau, I'm not sure what it means. But as far as the black lady, she's so sure her husband isn't dead, I wonder if it isn't some foreshadowing. It should be interesting when her back-story is revealed.
Thanks, I new that song sounded too familiar, just couldn't place it.
Somewhere, beyond the sea....as in maybe where a certain cable leads??

I cannot stand the character of Jack. He should be written off the show. I have no idea why anyone would view him as a leader figure.

Why is everyone instantly hostile to Sawyer? No one ever asks, "gee Sawyer do you have a certain gizmo I am looking for?" Sawyer, "yes I do, why do you ask?" "Oh, can I have it please, I need to clean my teeth." Would it kill any of these people to just say Please to the guy? I know if everyone instantly treated me like dirt they way these people treat Sawyer my first response would be to be non-cooperative.

Boone is gay. The sister even made the comment about Lott being the new boyfriend. Not only is he gay but he has a secret desire for his sister. He became gay as a way to hide his un-natural feelings toward his sister.

Actually now that I think about it I cannot say I like any of the characters. The way the script is written the relationships that are shown as developing do not make any sense at all. IMHO

The increased use of dark scenes is starting to take away the impact of HD.

Originally posted by Carl Holt
I cannot stand the character of Jack. He should be written off the show. I have no idea why anyone would view him as a leader figure.

Why is everyone instantly hostile to Sawyer? No one ever asks, "gee Sawyer do you have a certain gizmo I am looking for?" Sawyer, "yes I do, why do you ask?" "Oh, can I have it please, I need to clean my teeth." Would it kill any of these people to just say Please to the guy? I know if everyone instantly treated me like dirt they way these people treat Sawyer my first response would be to be non-cooperative.

Boone is gay. The sister even made the comment about Lott being the new boyfriend. Not only is he gay but he has a secret desire for his sister. He became gay as a way to hide his un-natural feelings toward his sister.

Actually now that I think about it I cannot say I like any of the characters. The way the script is written the relationships that are shown as developing do not make any sense at all. IMHO

The increased use of dark scenes is starting to take away the impact of HD.

Pretty deep stuff lol.

Well Sawyer made his own bed by being a jerk from the start. I'm sure eveyone and their brother said 'please' but stopped when they realized the courtesy was lost on him. It's also hard to like a guy who robs the dead for commerce as opposed to the common good (ok to stip the dead of necessities, but not for individual profit).

Jack stood tall at the beginning and helped out. I'm sure that memory lingers in the minds of most of the survivors. But he acted. I'm sure others have good leadership qualities, but of all of them he's the one that started thinking of the group first before himself. I'm not convinced he's the right guy for the role, either.

But who else? Kate the bank robbing, man shooting, key swiping, lying fugitive? Who still seems to be a decent person? There's still more to her story, and I'd love to see it sooner as opposed to later.

Seems like the more we learn about these people, the more we don't know.

I love it!

Originally posted by MichaelZ
The whole story kind of reminds me of "The Stand" by Stephen King. Good against evil, each gathering at two separate places where eventually they battle. There was a rock star in the book, a black lady who was religious, even a Texan, I believe, and he happened to read Watership Down - kind of strange. There were all kinds of back stories on the characters in that book as well. What I liked about the book was initially some characters are good and some evil and the rest in the middle but as the story unfolded, some of the people started gravitating to one side or the other.

Yeah, that one has been mentioned. I definitely think the show is all about good vs. evil, it's a running theme, light vs dark. I think the producers have addressed that however, and said it won't be like the Stand.

I think Kate was lying about her Ranger daddy. I think she has some government experience. She handled those robbers like a pro, took them down without breaking a sweat. She knows how to plan operations, track, handle a gun, and appear weaker than she really is. (she faked not knowing how to use a gun when she took it from Sawyer too) I wonder if her name is really Kate?

AND what's with the LITTLE TOY PLANE? Why would it be in a safe deposit box? Who invented liquid soap, and WHY?

Even in the early episodes I do not remember anyone saying "Please" to Sawyer.

Unfortunately for me I'd have to say the more we learn about these people the less we care. Given most of their backgrounds I'd say they got their just rewards. I'll recant this 100% if they show an honest person with a good past. Someone with happy thoughts who was looking forward to getting home or starting their vacation. All these people have some sort of morose baggage.


I've been on several deep woods training trips with people I did not know. Admittedly the training was normally for just a week. They typical psyche,

First day or so get to know one another with one person demonstrating the early qualities of leadership. This is a person who knows what to do initially and gets things going.

Mid-week: Initial leader shows that he does not know what to de next. The leader for the long haul emerges. The group also tends to split into two or three smaller groups depending on the initial size of the overall group. These smaller groups have their own leader who tend to follow the second leader.

End of week: realization that it is about time to go home. The need for group harmony diminishes and the second leader is often displaced or viewed as a figure head. Often though the second leader is the person who organizes the final bug-out.

After event: Despite all good intentions of seeing your "new" friends, unless you really make the effort it never happens.

For this show the second leader has never appeared. This is very evident by the lack of truly organized camps. It also does not appear that people are starting to take on roles that best fit their nature. When you are in the woods everyone starts to realize that you need to do something to contribute to the group. People start to establish their own pecking order more for personal comfort than anything else.

The biggest thing that is missing from this show is a persons innate ability to be creative. Other than the shower that the construction guy came up with or the gulf course there has been no creativity. When you have time on your hands it is amazing what people will create just to add a little more comfort. There is not even a table.

But then again, this is just a TV show.

OK since this is an HDTV forum, did anyone else notice a kind of smearing or loss of detail as the camera panned in the forest? When it stopped, the flora was ultra sharp. But even the slow pan caused loss of detail. Especially when it whipped around as Kate turned back towards where Sawyer was hiding.

The other scenes in the episode, which had similar motion, didn't have such noticeable issues.

This is on a 34XBR960.

Originally posted by Carl Holt
I cannot stand the character of Jack. He should be written off the show. I have no idea why anyone would view him as a leader figure.

Boone is gay. The sister even made the comment about Lott being the new boyfriend. Not only is he gay but he has a secret desire for his sister. He became gay as a way to hide his un-natural feelings toward his sister.

Actually now that I think about it I cannot say I like any of the characters. The way the script is written the relationships that are shown as developing do not make any sense at all. IMHO

The increased use of dark scenes is starting to take away the impact of HD.

Boone "became gay as a way to hide his un-natural feelings toward his sister"? Hmmm. Talking about not making sense.

I agree that the attitude toward Sawyer is a little forced and unrealistic. Instead of an adversarial approach, they should have taken a more cooperative one, IMO.

About Jack. He never sought or wanted the role of "leader." I think the others looked to him as a leader at first because he snapped into his "medical" mode after the crash and did the thing he knew best -- saving lives. Some of the survivors naturally gravitated toward Jack because of his talents in that area. However, there was a breaking away and now there is mostly chaos with several emerging leaders.

Unlike Carl, I am intrigued by the characters and the storyline.

Originally posted by Carl Holt
Even in the early episodes I do not remember anyone saying "Please" to Sawyer.Why should they, when all he's got, he stole from them?Originally posted by Carl Holt
Unfortunately for me I'd have to say the more we learn about these people the less we care. Given most of their backgrounds I'd say they got their just rewards. I'll recant this 100% if they show an honest person with a good past. Someone with happy thoughts who was looking forward to getting home or starting their vacation. All these people have some sort of morose baggage.That would probably be the most boring television show EVER. I don't need to "care" for characters to be entertained by their interactions. And it's fun trying to guess what they haven't shown us yet. Like, who the hell did Kate kill, anyway, and what did she really think was in that case?

Originally posted by Carl Holt
Unfortunately for me I'd have to say the more we learn about these people the less we care. Given most of their backgrounds I'd say they got their just rewards. I'll recant this 100% if they show an honest person with a good past. Someone with happy thoughts who was looking forward to getting home or starting their vacation. All these people have some sort of morose baggage.

Locke? He was pretty happy/normal.

Locke? He was pretty happy/normal.

Except for the fact that he was in a job with a hateful boss who put him down all the time and had what he thought was a true relationship with a woman who apparently was a phone sex operator. Nevertheless, why do you expect there to be normal people on the plane? Does it have to represent reality? Or maybe only the people who were unhappy in the "real world" survived. Or died, depending on your opinion on that topic. I for one just enjoy the entertainment of a well written show (IMO) coupled with incredible HD (and scenery from Hawaii--wow). It's not reality TV, and even reality shows are staged.

On another front, I also now believe Boone is gay, given his non-reaction to Shannon's comments and her attempt to hurt him. Next weeks episode looks interesting in the way Locke is keeping their discovery secret and apparently attacks Boone for wanting to reveal it to the others. I really like this show!!

Still enjoying the show, and still looking forward for next week - but we learned absolutely nothing that advanced the main story line. I have high hopes for next week though based on the previews.

Originally posted by drsimnal
Next weeks episode looks interesting in the way Locke is keeping their discovery secret and apparently attacks Boone for wanting to reveal it to the others. Don't forget, they're always trying to fool us with those previews of next week. For all we know, Locke attacks Boone for trying to kiss him....

Ignoring Locke knocking Boone upside his head for the moment, what could they have found that makes Locke worry about the ramifications of telling the others? My probably too far fetched thought?

Amelia Earhart's plane wreckage. The ramifications of that find would be that with all the well financed searches over almost 70 years no one has ever discovered her final whereabouts - so what hope do they have of rescue?

Probably WAY off base, but a fun theory to consider until next week!

Did anyone else on the West coast hear a LOUD blast (maybe 10 seconds) of digital garbage near the end of the show tonight? I am trying to find out if this was bad on the network feed or was a local problem.

Didn't notice any noise up here in the SF Bay area, Comcast cable feed.

Originally posted by wco81
OK since this is an HDTV forum, did anyone else notice a kind of smearing or loss of detail as the camera panned in the forest? When it stopped, the flora was ultra sharp. But even the slow pan caused loss of detail. Especially when it whipped around as Kate turned back towards where Sawyer was hiding.

The other scenes in the episode, which had similar motion, didn't have such noticeable issues.

This is on a 34XBR960.

Thats typical of MPG2 compression, with very fast motion scenes such as a fast camera pan or running thru brush the quality has to go down. When the motion stops the quality goes up. MPG2 is a variable quality with a fixed bitrate system. How good a job it does depends on your local station's HD encoder and if they are using multicasting which reduces HD bitrate.

I've been watching LOST using a Samsung D*HD receiver and BenQ 8700+. I watch the show using the built in OTA Digital tuner in the Samsung. For the most part the picture is incredible. Last night was the first time I have ever seen motion artifacts in the image. It occurred in one of the Sawyer/Kate scenes during a closeup of Kate's face. I saw motion in her face. It was just the one scene.

Seeing motion artifacts surprised me since I have never seen them before with the 8700 through any of the input sources. Off the Samsung I use the HD component connections which loop through my receiver. The DVI connection is being used by my DVD player.

I have also noticed a blurring in the background when the camera pans quickly, in this case following Kate and Sawyer running through the woods.

One thing I attribute this to is the relatively dark background. I've noticed that HD looses some of its quality in dark scenes. This was also expressed by someone else in a much earlier post when they first started using the caves on the show. The impact of the show is best during wide shots during bright daylight. The concern expressed earlier about the caves was that the show would turn into a set based series in which case the HD would not add much. While it does seem that most of the footage is now being shot with darker backdrops it does appear that there is a decent balance with set shots and outdoors shots.

I have always heard two things about Hawaii. One is that it is an island paradise. Second is that it has the highest rainfall of any of the states. Given the overcast that is seen in several scenes I'm starting to get a better appreciation for how much it rains there.

The reason everyone is so hostile towards Sawyer beyond his initial stubborn-ness and the fact that he stole everything he got is the fact he was willing to let the girl die from asthma just so he can keep the "drugs" which he didn't even have. When someone shows that much selfishness, everyone is generally gonna be a bit bitter towards you.

Originally posted by JThree
Ignoring Locke knocking Boone upside his head for the moment, what could they have found that makes Locke worry about the ramifications of telling the others? My probably too far fetched thought?

Amelia Earhart's plane wreckage. The ramifications of that find would be that with all the well financed searches over almost 70 years no one has ever discovered her final whereabouts - so what hope do they have of rescue?

Probably WAY off base, but a fun theory to consider until next week!
I'm not sure about that, but the first thing I thought when they showed the "discovery" in the previews was: Door from a WWII-era plane or ship, because of the little rectangular window that seemed to be in the middle. Also, it seems to be painted that "military green" color from that era.

I thought the episode was great. They just keeping giving us more and more questions while failing to answer any of the previous questions.....Good stuff, very intriguing.

Originally posted by wco81
Anyone else notice how much younger the cast looked in the early episodes?

Of course, it's only been a few months. But maybe they've been partying a little too much in Hawaii.

Or more likely that it is planned because that kind of stress would age people. It also isn't Gilligan's Island where some of the characters have 50 different outfits and wear makeup every day. People in that type of situation would naturally look tired, scruffy and older.


As far as Sawyer, NEWS FLASH ... the character doesn't want to be liked. Look at his back story. He doesn't even like himself.

He has treated everybody like dogs from day one. The only person he has made ANY attempt to connect with is Kate and he treats her like like a dog. Add in the fact of his grave robbing and hoarding and of course he isn't going to be addressed in the same way as the people who are trying to help each other.

I was confused by the thing with Kate and the little airplane. "It's from the man I killed. <sob>" It looked to me like she killed (at least) two other people in the bank. I take it the airplane was in the safe deposit box, so they wouldn't seem to be who she was talking about. And she didn't seem too hurt to nail them. Which leads me to believe maybe the original "it's from the man I loved" comment was actually true as well. The airplane was from the man she loved, but killed.

Of course, that still doesn't make sense. If she just wanted the plane, then why hide the key from Jack? They'd open the case. They'd find the envelope and the plane. It's a toy for goodness sake....its very existence doesn't reveal her deepest, darkest secret. A simple "<someone> gave it to me" would have been plenty. [Then again, half the show wouldn't have been necessary, but it's pretty flimsy.]


It's a stretch, but Finding Nemo is about a parent searching for a child. And Rousseau was looking for "Alex."

Why haven't they put together an armed (with clubs and knives if necessary) search party for Claire!? I'll be damned if I would have sat around after a pregnant woman was kidnapped and done nothing. Apparently, at least on that island, I'd be alone.

In the coming attraction, did it look like Shannon was caught in a trap like the one that snared Sayid? Either that, or her secret is she can fly :).

Xesdeeni

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
In the coming attraction, did it look like Shannon was caught in a trap like the one that snared Sayid? Either that, or her secret is she can fly :).


I think you're supposed to think the giant hungry beast was eating her, but as previously noted, these guys are the masters of the misleading promos.

From what I could see, she did shoot the guys involved in the bank robbery, but their wounds didn't appear fatal (shots in the legs, etc), I don't think we can count them as being "killed".

It also seemed to me that she was surprised to see the airplane or disappointed that something was missing from the briefcase. I get the impression that she thought there was something else in there.

Originally posted by Xesdeeni

Why haven't they put together an armed (with clubs and knives if necessary) search party for Claire!? I'll be damned if I would have sat around after a pregnant woman was kidnapped and done nothing. Apparently, at least on that island, I'd be alone.
Xesdeeni

They said that they have no trail to follow and don't know where to look. Not that I'd buy that, it's a frickin' island (we don't know how big), but that was the excuse they used on the show.

Originally posted by Xesdeeni


It's a stretch, but Finding Nemo is about a parent searching for a child. And Rousseau was looking for "Alex."



Xesdeeni

But if she's been on the island for 16 years? How would she know about the movie?

Beyond the Sea is an OLD song (bobby darin), quite likely she knew it of old and it has some sentimental value. OR that cable into the ocean has some other significance. Or she's nutty :-)

Edited to correct quotes.

What I don't understand is why she let Sawyer take the case in the first place. After they pulled it out of the water it was pretty much understood that it was Kate's. Then she just says, take it, I don't care. Very strange.

Also, she knew exactly what was in that case and the plane in the envelope was what she wanted. What was a surprise to her was that was what was in the box at the bank.

Originally posted by dmbatch
What I don't understand is why she let Sawyer take the case in the first place. After they pulled it out of the water it was pretty much understood that it was Kate's. Then she just says, take it, I don't care. Very strange.

She didn't want Sawyer to know how much she wanted what was in the case. She was hoping that if she showed now interest in it, that he would lose interest also.

Maybe the little plane wasn't the only thing in the envelope....? It does seem strange that she would go to all that trouble to salvage a little toy plane; must be more to it.

And Kate is quite a head-butter when she gets in a clinch. I've never understood that move. Seems like the head-butter would suffer just as much pain and shock as the head-buttee.

Originally posted by vmark
From what I could see, she did shoot the guys involved in the bank robbery, but their wounds didn't appear fatal (shots in the legs, etc), I don't think we can count them as being "killed".

It also seemed to me that she was surprised to see the airplane or disappointed that something was missing from the briefcase. I get the impression that she thought there was something else in there.

While she's bad enough to clearly be willing to engage in criminal activity, she's not bad enough to actually kill someone (or at least she feels really, really bad about killing her lover; probably an accident). Lots more backstory to Kate, apparently...

And that toy plane must be pretty valuable since it apparently became a piece of evidence; why else was it in the Marshal's briefcase?

did anyone get a "maybe they shouldn't be showing this" feeling when the waves were crashing up higher and they had to move the stuff? With the current tsunami situation it made me cringe a bit...

Originally posted by Carl Holt
He became gay as a way to hide his un-natural feelings toward his sister.
Do tell, Doctor. Puh-leeze. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Rory Boyce
Did anyone else on the West coast hear a LOUD blast (maybe 10 seconds) of digital garbage near the end of the show tonight? I am trying to find out if this was bad on the network feed or was a local problem.
Nothing in LA (Adelphia).
Originally posted by nuzzy
did anyone get a "maybe they shouldn't be showing this" feeling when the waves were crashing up higher and they had to move the stuff? With the current tsunami situation it made me cringe a bit...
Ditto.

Two points:

1. People don't "become" gay... they just are.

2. The song "Beyond the Sea" was around for a long time before Finding Nemo. I doubt Rousseau saw the movie considering she's been on the island for 16 years.

Kate and a toy plane. EXACTLY what this show needs: another "what's the significance of that" storyline to try to keep up with. Intriguing, but I'm ready for some answers.

Part of me wants to believe that Kate blames herself for killing the man she loved (much like Charlie feels about Claire) since she does seem to have a sense of decency about her. But she's attracted to Sawyer so she definitely has a thing for bad guys which makes me wonder how "good" she really is.

The song "Beyond The Sea" as featured in Finding Nemo was originally written in French and titled simply "The Sea" (La Mer), so Rousseau could have known the song very well. The original lyric was a series of poetic images telling how the different moods of the sea affected the writer. Don't get caught up in the American version as sung by Bobby Darin. The French lyric is what tells the story.

Here's a rough translation of the original that I found:

The sea
which one sees dancing along the clear gulfs
to sparkles of silver.
The sea
Of changing sparkles
Under the rain.

The sea
Confuses the summer sky's sheep
With angels so pure.
The sea
Shepherdess of blue infinity.

Look!
Next to the ponds
Those tall wet reeds.
Look!
Those white birds
And those rusty houses [cabins of boats?]

The Sea
Has rocked them [like a baby]
Along the clear gulfs.
And with a song of love
The Sea
Has rocked my heart for life.


Words like "inifinity," and "sparkles" show that Shannon was on the right track with her translation.

Originally posted by durl
Kate and a toy plane. EXACTLY what this show needs: another "what's the significance of that" storyline to try to keep up with. Intriguing, but I'm ready for some answers.

The song "Beyond The Sea" as featured in Finding Nemo was originally written in French and titled simply "The Sea" (La Mer)

Here's a rough translation of the original that I found:

Words like "inifinity," and "sparkles" show that Shannon was on the right track with her translation.

Agree...last thing we needed was more ambiguity with Kate's story lol.

Good catch with La Mer. Like many others, I assumed it was a French translation of the Bobby Darin classic, instead of the other way around.

Originally posted by nuzzy
did anyone get a "maybe they shouldn't be showing this" feeling when the waves were crashing up higher and they had to move the stuff? With the current tsunami situation it made me cringe a bit...

Here's the post I was talking about that mentioned the big surf hitting Hawaii at the time.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4830697&highlight=surf#post4830697

Seems like mother nature forced the producers to move camp. I'm not a big fan of political correctness...forcing them to edit the show to remove the waves would have been overkill. This footage was shot well before the tsunami, and was forced upon them by nature, not a plot device.

Nice work, durl. Shannon did say blue (eternity) infinity, as well as sparkles. Also, the melody she sang varied a little from the Bobby Darin tune. I wonder why the producers of the show would draw reference to Finding Nemo? This is like the image of the comic book with the polar bear. I think another poster had it right with the symbolism of a parent looking for her child. It's just funny how pop culture would enter into the story line in an oh-so-subtle way.

Were the falls Kate and Sawyer jumped in the Waimea Falls?

As soon as they came on screen, I told my wife I had been there. Kinda wierd seeing a place you've been to before on LOST.

Originally posted by PJO1966
1. People don't "become" gay... they just are.

My relative's friend did, so I'm told.

This week was the first time that I thought they were dragging the storylines out TOO much. It's a tough titerope for the producers to walk, since they don't want to give up much too quickly, but we really learned nothing new this week.

Originally posted by jake14mw
This week was the first time that I thought they were dragging the storylines out TOO much. It's a tough titerope for the producers to walk, since they don't want to give up much too quickly, but we really learned nothing new this week.

I agree, plenty of things 'happened' but nothing that tells us anything

1) They have now moved the beach camp
2) Kate participated in a bank robbery, but her real goal was the safe deposit box.
3) Kate knows DAMN well how to handle a gun (two even!)
4) The survivors now have loaded weapons (should Jack inform the others about them that is) Without a cleaning kit, (which I didn't see) I would imagine they won't be useful for very long, especially once they start firing them.
5) Locke and the kid are digging something up, but what we don't know, and they seem to want to keep it a secret.
6) Jun now knows that Kate was the Prisoner, by overhearing them.

Originally posted by Carl Holt
...
The biggest thing that is missing from this show is a persons innate ability to be creative. Other than the shower that the construction guy came up with or the gulf course there has been no creativity. When you have time on your hands it is amazing what people will create just to add a little more comfort. There is not even a table.
...

I have to respectfully disagree here. There are little details of creativity starting to creep into the show. First there was Ethan's fruit gathering bag/basket made of vines or something (though, of course, if he's one of the Others that doesn't really count as survivor creativity).

Last night the bag that Kate was using to gather fruit had an airliner seatbelt as a shoulder strap. I thought that was a nice touch.

Then the Korean woman (Sun?) was "prettying up" the cave with containers of herbs that had the dual purpose of providing remedies for things like headaches.

Sure, there are no coconut phones yet, but the adaptive creativity is starting to show up in subtle ways.

Originally posted by jake14mw
This week was the first time that I thought they were dragging the storylines out TOO much. It's a tough titerope for the producers to walk, since they don't want to give up much too quickly, but we really learned nothing new this week.

They've been doing that for awhile. The success of the show probably has made them pace the show so they've been laying out more strands that they could tie up over time. If the ratings had bombed, they might have had to accelerate the unraveling of the main plot.

But we don't know who hit Sayed, we don't know what Sayed saw in the forest (he says wind playing tricks), we don't know where Claire is, we don't know what Boone and Locke found (and probably won't either next week).

Last night, we got some more mini-mysteries or little strands of the plot that will make viewers continue to watch to see them tied up at some point. Kate has some attachment to a little airplane, which she may have targeted in some robbery. Sayed and Shannon are trying to figure out this old song that Rousseau obsessively wrote down over and over.

The goal is to have enough material for 100 or more eps. so the producers can cash in.

Originally posted by jake14mw
This week was the first time that I thought they were dragging the storylines out TOO much. It's a tough titerope for the producers to walk, since they don't want to give up much too quickly, but we really learned nothing new this week. I'd missed the episode where Jack found out that Kate was the prisoner, but I'd caught on that he'd found out. I didn't know what she'd done to be the prisoner, however, and the bank robbery flashback was a good drama, as well as great development of her character.

Originally posted by ricwhite

About Jack. He never sought or wanted the role of "leader." I think the others looked to him as a leader at first because he snapped into his "medical" mode after the crash and did the thing he knew best -- saving lives. Some of the survivors naturally gravitated toward Jack because of his talents in that area. However, there was a breaking away and now there is mostly chaos with several emerging leaders.


Exactly. Jack is every bit the archetypal "reluctant leader" who is appointed rather than seeking that role. Whether he maintains that position is another story...

Originally posted by Iteki

4) The survivors now have loaded weapons (should Jack inform the others about them that is) Without a cleaning kit, (which I didn't see) I would imagine they won't be useful for very long, especially once they start firing them.


The gun will last w/o a cleaning for a lot longer than the one or two boxes of bullets they have.

I think the significant part of the song will be:

Look!
Next to the ponds
Those tall wet reeds.

Didn't Kate kill the old farmer guy who took her in? I got the impression that he was killed when she wrecked the truck...

Originally posted by Jasper
Didn't Kate kill the old farmer guy who took her in? I got the impression that he was killed when she wrecked the truck...

She pulled him clear of the wreckage...but the time it took caused her to get caught by the marshal.

The blond on the beach sunbathing in HD on WFAA-DT 8-1 looked great last night...

Originally posted by Rory Boyce
Did anyone else on the West coast hear a LOUD blast (maybe 10 seconds) of digital garbage near the end of the show tonight? I am trying to find out if this was bad on the network feed or was a local problem.

Yes... Made me jump out of my seat, we had the volumn up pretty high too...

Speaking of looking great.....where are the HD captures of Shannon and Kate?

IMHO Kate was not expecting a toy plane in the envelope and she was double crossed.

Anyone got the last episode recorded? When Kate and Sawyer are in the woods and Kate says listen. This is right before they find the waterfall. The sounds she heard right before she said listen really sounded like someone saying "Help" mixed into the noise of the waterfall. Someone replay that and listen carefully.

Originally posted by Innova
Speaking of looking great.....where are the HD captures of Shannon and Kate?
Yeah, I thought for sure someone would've posted some by now!

Plenty of good shots to take...

Originally posted by Spellbound
Were the falls Kate and Sawyer jumped in the Waimea Falls?

As soon as they came on screen, I told my wife I had been there. Kinda wierd seeing a place you've been to before on LOST.

so how did YOU get off the island ? were you there 16 years as well ?

I have a question... when Sawyer and Kate went swimming, why the hell did Sawyer leave his jeans on? It's not as if Kate hasn't already seen him naked before. I would think swimming with jeans on in the tropics would be a tad uncomfortable.

Yeah, Kate looked pretty hot swimming in her underwear. Great camera work! Also, during the secenes from the bank robbery she was wearing make up and was dressed professionally. She's quite the looker.

Well, I had no problem with it... seeing Kate in her underwear was all I needed.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Well, I had no problem with it... seeing Kate in her underwear was all I needed.

I remember wondering about Sawyer and his beach scene sans pants. Maybe they got some complaints. But by all means, keep Sawyer's pants on regardless and give us more Kate :-)

Originally posted by NorthJersey
so how did YOU get off the island ? were you there 16 years as well ?

Beleive it or not, I briefly wondered the same thing? :D

Seriously though, I was hoping someone could confirm the location. Oh well, interesting nonetheless

My wife told me last night the location, but I forgot. It's filmed on one of the islands of HI, which you probably already knew that part.

Originally posted by Iteki
Pretty deep stuff lol.

Well Sawyer made his own bed by being a jerk from the start. I'm sure eveyone and their brother said 'please' but stopped when they realized the courtesy was lost on him. It's also hard to like a guy who robs the dead for commerce as opposed to the common good (ok to stip the dead of necessities, but not for individual profit).

Jack stood tall at the beginning and helped out. I'm sure that memory lingers in the minds of most of the survivors. But he acted. I'm sure others have good leadership qualities, but of all of them he's the one that started thinking of the group first before himself. I'm not convinced he's the right guy for the role, either.

But who else? Kate the bank robbing, man shooting, key swiping, lying fugitive? Who still seems to be a decent person? There's still more to her story, and I'd love to see it sooner as opposed to later. I'm kind of disappointed with Kate's character... Kind of hard to "justify" robbing a bank and terrorizing it's customers. The "only" thing I like about Sawyer is his nickname (freckles) for Kate.

Kate is a baaaaad girl... and I like it. Now what the heck could an airplane mean to her, and how did she kill the man she loved? I do think it's funny how bad she really has been in her past. She shot 3 people last night, and only 1 was still talking. The other two might be dead. She obviously used sex as a tool to convince them to do the roberry. And she still resorts to lying and attempting to fool Jack.

But at the same time she saved the old Aussie farmer, wouldn't kill the marshal, etc; Weird.

How 'bout that look Kate gave Jack when he told her they were going to open it "together?"

As for Sawyer swimming in his jeans, that's what they do sometimes down south here. I've seen some fellow rednecks doing the exact same thing. Either JJAbrams and company nailed it with the only southerner on the show, or they just got lucky.

I'm kind of disappointed with Kate's character... Kind of hard to "justify" robbing a bank and terrorizing it's customers. The "only" thing I like about Sawyer is his nickname (freckles) for Kate.

How about his nickname for Shannon - "Sticks".

Originally posted by PJO1966
I have a question... when Sawyer and Kate went swimming, why the hell did Sawyer leave his jeans on? It's not as if Kate hasn't already seen him naked before. I would think swimming with jeans on in the tropics would be a tad uncomfortable.
I think the real reason for this question is that you were bummed that you didn't get to see Sawyer sans jeans, right?

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Yes... Made me jump out of my seat, we had the volumn up pretty high too...

Sounds like it was just our affiliate. I heard it too.

Originally posted by sdchrgrboy
I think the real reason for this question is that you were bummed that you didn't get to see Sawyer sans jeans, right?

Well, yeah. There is that.




:D

And Kate is quite a head-butter when she gets in a clinch. I've never understood that move. Seems like the head-butter would suffer just as much pain and shock as the head-buttee.
The object of head-butting someone is to break their nose, not smash foreheads. Yes, it hurts to head-butt someone, but the pain to the "butt-ee" is much greater.

—Dan

Originally posted by madpoet
... She shot 3 people last night, and only 1 was still talking. The other two might be dead.

Again, she shot them in the legs; the others were moaning in pain, but definitely not dead. Clearly, in spite of whatever happened to her lover, she's not a murderer. Just a wound-er. :eek:

On a hi-def note... I live in the North East and last night during LOST the local affiliate kept cutting into the program with an information ticker to tell us it was going to snow Thursday... surprise!!! Each time, this knocked out the hi-def feed and sent the picture into 4:3 mode, this happened at least 3 - 4 times during the hour... quite annoying. For those of us who live in the North East... when did a little snow get elevated to some kind of hysterical crisis by our local media?

Originally posted by danco
Yes, it hurts to head-butt someone, but the pain to the "butt-ee" is much greater. It's not just the pain. It's also the shock of unexpectedly getting popped in the nose since lowering the head looks like a submissive movement.

Kate probably learned it watching Alias. :)

Originally posted by archiguy
Again, she shot them in the legs; the others were moaning in pain, but definitely not dead. Clearly, in spite of whatever happened to her lover, she's not a murderer. Just a wound-er. :eek:

Anyone who's had serious leg or knee injuries will tell you it's not a trivial thing. A large-caliber bullet tearing through muscles, ligaments, knee caps, bones, etc. is nothing to sneeze at. Maybe those bank robbers liked to ski. :p

Plus when cops are trained to deal with others who have guns, they are taught to shoot to kill, not wound. Because shots to the extremeties still leave people who can fire back at you.

Yeah I guess Kate is good with the gun tho. And I guess she may have done other jobs with that crew before.

Originally posted by danco
The object of head-butting someone is to break their nose, not smash foreheads. Yes, it hurts to head-butt someone, but the pain to the "butt-ee" is much greater.

—Dan

Well, that makes sense. Although, in the movies/TV, they always seem to just bang foreheads; noses never get broken with the resultant gushing of blood 'n all. Sawyer's nose likewise suffered no ill effects from at least 3 head-butts from Kate. Seems she's got better aim with a gun than with her head. :D

Anybody wondered how the presence of guns (even locked in a case) is going to change the dynamics of the island?

A gun certainly would've evened the odds between Jack and that Ethan fellar a few weeks ago...

Well, I thought Kate looked disappointed when she opened the safe-deposit box. However, I thought the envelope was pretty thin. The envelope in the case was fatter, and it had the plane in it. I don't think those are the same, but they were both a light-blue color. The writers did that to make us THINK the plane is what was in the safe-deposit box.

On another note, we've mentioned Amelia Earhart a couple of times. Anybody notice that the little plane looks just like Amelia's?

http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=12arrival_02,0.jpg&cap=A%20longer%20shot%20of%20Earhart%20on%20the%20wing%20aft er%20landing%20in%20New%20Guinea.%20Earhart%20and%20Fred%20N oonan,%20her%20navigator,%20were%20declared%20lost%20at%20se a%20on%20July%2018,%201937.

Originally posted by TrnsplantBuckeye
I'm kind of disappointed with Kate's character... Kind of hard to "justify" robbing a bank and terrorizing it's customers. The "only" thing I like about Sawyer is his nickname (freckles) for Kate.

How about his nickname for Shannon - "Sticks".

I think we can all agree that bankrobbing (no matter what the intent) is wrong.

But I think there is a great deal that has yet to be told in her story. Despite all the things she's done, she still comes across as one of the good guys. She could have killed everyone in that vault, she didn't. She could have let the Aussie guy die, and let the marshal asphyxiate, but she didn't. She more than carries her own weight on a daily basis, she worked harder than most when Jack was trapped. Something in her past has her living as these two different people, and we haven't been shown that yet. Interesting stuff, hope they don't wait too long to tell us.

Originally posted by Spellbound
Beleive it or not, I briefly wondered the same thing? :D

Seriously though, I was hoping someone could confirm the location. Oh well, interesting nonetheless

I believe you are right. We do know they film on the north shore of Oahu...

http://www.hawaiiweb.com/oahu/sites_to_see/waimea_falls.htm

Originally posted by archiguy
Again, she shot them in the legs; the others were moaning in pain, but definitely not dead. Clearly, in spite of whatever happened to her lover, she's not a murderer. Just a wound-er. :eek: OK. I guess that makes it all-right then...:)Originally posted by Iteki
I think we can all agree that bankrobbing (no matter what the intent) is wrong.

But I think there is a great deal that has yet to be told in her story. Despite all the things she's done, she still comes across as one of the good guys. She could have killed everyone in that vault, she didn't. She could have let the Aussie guy die, and let the marshal asphyxiate, but she didn't. She more than carries her own weight on a daily basis, she worked harder than most when Jack was trapped. Something in her past has her living as these two different people, and we haven't been shown that yet. Interesting stuff, hope they don't wait too long to tell us. Hey who knows? Maybe she's schizo? and in one episode we see the "good" Kate and in another... the "bad!"

I don't think the plane is Amelia Earhart's. If I recall, the plane model Kate is holding is a Douglas DC-3 or C-47 (if military). Earhart's Lockheed Electra 10E plane had a twin tail. I think Kate's plane has a single tail. There are other differences, of course.

Paul

Having spent a lot of time in a DC3 flying around the cape and islands, I thought it a DC3 she was holding.

Also spent time in a twin Beech, resembled the Electra some, not it.

We never see Kate's reaction when she opens the safety deposit box in the vault. She puts it on the table, takes a deep breath, and when she opens it, the lid covers her face from the camera.

Also, am I the only one who thinks it may have been her father she killed? Just because she said it was the man she loved doesn't mean it was her lover.

Originally posted by optivity
On a hi-def note... I live in the North East and last night during LOST the local affiliate kept cutting into the program with an information ticker to tell us it was going to snow Thursday... surprise!!! Each time, this knocked out the hi-def feed and sent the picture into 4:3 mode, this happened at least 3 - 4 times during the hour... quite annoying. For those of us who live in the North East... when did a little snow get elevated to some kind of hysterical crisis by our local media?

where in the NE ? I didn't see this problem at all on ABC-HD on Cablevision during Lost. You can tell where I live from my userid

Yep! That's what I'm thinking too. Her & Jack have allot in common as far as their fathers go.

Originally posted by madpoet
Kate is a baaaaad girl... and I like it. Now what the heck could an airplane mean to her, and how did she kill the man she loved?

can you say Mile High Club ? She probably screwed him and then chucked him off the plane

Kate Pic to hold us over for a while...
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/gnomecop/Eva02.jpg

Another....http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/gnomecop/Eva03.jpg

Haven't seen that first one before...Holy moley!

She must be related to this guy: :(

Hey catdaddy, something's wrong with your pics. I just see a message in a white box that says:

pics. bbzzdd. com unauthorized referrer sorry :(

Originally posted by NorthJersey
where in the NE ? I didn't see this problem at all on ABC-HD on Cablevision during Lost. You can tell where I live from my userid I live about 200 miles north of you... Albany, NY.

Originally posted by danco
Haven't seen that first one before...Holy moley! Same here... The "best" way I can describe her is... "WOW!"