Originally posted by archiguy
Hey catdaddy, something's wrong with your pics. I just see a message in a white box that says:

pics. bbzzdd. com unauthorized referrer sorry :( Do a quote on his message to get the URL... again... "WOW!"

Originally posted by NorthJersey
can you say Mile High Club ? She probably screwed him and then chucked him off the plane

Yeh, I think you're right! :D I can see her character doing something like that. I wonder if she is trying to seduce Jack only to mess with his head b/c she is mean?

Originally posted by optivity
Do a quote on his message to get the URL... again... "WOW!" Still doesn't work....

Originally posted by labmansid
Still doesn't work....

Try refreshing your browser. I got it to work that way. The site I linked to doesnt allow direct links from all other sites. Sorry but the pics worth the trouble.

Also try turning off your popup blocker or do quote and cut and paste the URL. Thanks catdaddy.

Voodoo doll jinxed type plane?

- Tom

Originally posted by labmansid
Still doesn't work.... If you're using IE, put your cursor over the picture, right-click and choose "Properties" from the menu. The info pop-up will have the URL in it. (This will work with pretty much any still image on any page, and some animations, if they're animated GIFs).

Originally posted by catdaddy
Another....http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/gnomecop/Eva03.jpg

Originally posted by labmansid
Still doesn't work....

After you paste the location in and load the page, you might have to refresh it. My browser was caching the block image, and a refresh forced it to get the correct version.

Originally posted by Innova
After you paste the location in and load the page, you might have to refresh it. My browser was caching the block image, and a refresh forced it to get the correct version.

I was having the same problems, this suggestion worked. Thanks!

Shannon looks good!
:D

Originally posted by TrnsplantBuckeye
Shannon looks good!
:D

i think shannon is better looking than kate

Just a wound-er. :eek: [/B]

Or a wounder-er! (murderer, wounderer, get it? OK it's not that funny...

Originally posted by houset
i think shannon is better looking than kate Sometimes ;)

HELP!

I need Lost Episode 11 torrent download!!!! I can't find anyone who has it. :(

Thanks,
Ed

czeddie@yahoo.com

ok, I know this has nothing to do with the storyline or anything, but...
Am I seeing things or what. Near the end of the show, when it comes back from a commercial to show the sea at sunset and the people are moving down the beach, there appears to be a lot of modern populated stuff in the scene.
First, as the camera looks over the water, it looks like a fishing, shrimp boat in the distance.
As the camera pans left toward the shore, where we can see the cast walking, at the "point" there are two Palm Leave Umbrella stands, a manicured lawn and what appears to be a shack and a shed.
As the camera pans farther left, there seems to be more things (?) near the edge of the grass and between the trees, in the distance it looks like condos in the background.
As the camera finishes panning and the cast and dog are stopped, one "tree" looks perfectly straight and the top appears to have a street/security light arm.
I was watching with the wife, when I rewound it, and my she picked up on the boat and umbrella stands before I said anything.

If someone can do screen caps, that would be nice. I can only use a low res digicam aimed at the TV, and it never comes out clear.

vegggas

Originally posted by vegggas
ok, I know this has nothing to do with the storyline or anything, but...
Am I seeing things or what. Near the end of the show, when it comes back from a commercial to show the sea at sunset and the people are moving down the beach, there appears to be a lot of modern populated stuff in the scene.

If someone can do screen caps, that would be nice. I can only use a low res digicam aimed at the TV, and it never comes out clear.

vegggas

That's been happening quite a bit, I have a feeling the producers are just hoping we won't notice or care. It's probably too expensive for them to CGI stuff like that out when it's so brief.

per request

#2

as counterpoint...

and again;

IMO Shannon is "hot" but Kate is "hotter!"

Originally posted by nessus
IMO Shannon is "hot" but Kate is "hotter!" Like I said before, Lost has created a whole new "Ginger (Shannon) or MaryAnn (Kate)?" debate.

Why can't you love them both?

Originally posted by skipfreely
Why can't you love them both?

Couldn't agree more!

I've tried to love them both, but they keep getting those pesky restraining orders. How much love can one man give at no closer than 500 yards?

;)

Originally posted by skipfreely
Why can't you love them both? I do ;)

Originally posted by skipfreely
Why can't you love them both? If I could lose 20 years and gain $20,000,000.00 then I probably could!:p

On creativity (or lack thereof)- this has been bothering me since Jack chose to burn the fuselage to dispose of the bodies. I guess he was thinking in terms of a rescue. . . I would have argued that the raw materials in there were well worth the hassle of removing the bodies....

Also, did you see those lame digging sticks they used to unearth the marshal? And they still only have one axe?!!?!? Clearly, there weren't any engineers on that flight. ;-) ;-)

BTW, you could probably whip up a gun cleaning kit pretty easily- couple of rods, cloth patches....getting some light oil from the plane should be doable.

All that said, I still enjoy the show!

Markd

ps- Oh yeah- and I like how they were going after boar with a knife. How long would it take to whip up a boar spear?? ;-)

Originally posted by mdesmarais
On creativity (or lack thereof)- this has been bothering me since Jack chose to burn the fuselage to dispose of the bodies. I guess he was thinking in terms of a rescue. . . I would have argued that the raw materials in there were well worth the hassle of removing the bodies....

Also, did you see those lame digging sticks they used to unearth the marshal? And they still only have one axe?!!?!? Clearly, there weren't any engineers on that flight. ;-) ;-)

BTW, you could probably whip up a gun cleaning kit pretty easily- couple of rods, cloth patches....getting some light oil from the plane should be doable.

All that said, I still enjoy the show!

Markd

ps- Oh yeah- and I like how they were going after boar with a knife. How long would it take to whip up a boar spear?? ;-)

I think they have been conservative with this on purpose. If they start getting TOO creative, before you know it you have coconut telephones and Swiss Family Robinson homes and then it's over :-)

Saw this mentioned in another forum.

The Safe Deposit Box number Kate asked for was 815, same as the Oceanic Flight number of their plane.

Well they're going to have to find a way to replace the suntan lotion or else Shannon will have to stop wearing bikinis!

Shannon is hot, but you wouldn't want to rob a bank with her.

If this Shannon or Kate thing catches on, like the Ginger or Marianne question a generation ago, Lost will be permanently embedded into the popular consciousness.

Originally posted by efeatherston
Saw this mentioned in another forum.

The Safe Deposit Box number Kate asked for was 815, same as the Oceanic Flight number of their plane.

Really? I was going to mention this earlier but I wasn't sure. Someone who stills has this episode recorded please check the plane she had in the envelope, I'm pretty sure I saw that number on the toy plane as well.

Originally posted by wco81
Well they're going to have to find a way to replace the suntan lotion or else Shannon will have to stop wearing bikinis!

Shannon without her bikini?!!!
;)

So no one's asked, "who were the two people underwater?" And how did her briefcase end up under their seat? Were they the people sitting in front of her, and she or the marshall had the briefcase stowed in front of them under these people's seat? And did anyone else notice the man and the woman were holding hands underwater? Pretty good that they survived hitting that water at such a high rate of speed and still had their hands holding each others, unless it was just a coincidence and the movement of the water that made the hands "float" together. But those two people have to have some sort of purpose, and of course we know this because Kate doesnt mention anything to anyone else about finding 2 more bodies. God forbid anyone in the group relays any important findings to anyone else. ;)

And maybe when Kate found the plane in the envelope, she looked at it like someone had intercepted whatever was in the envelope after she got it from the bank and before she opened the briefcase, and they left the plane in its place, and she knew what it meant and maybe who had taken whatever was originally in there. Sort of like leaving a personal memento behind that brings up a specific memory in her mind.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
And how did her briefcase end up under their seat? Were they the people sitting in front of her, and she or the marshall had the briefcase stowed in front of them under these people's seat?

If Kate is to be believed, and it seems reasonable given the firearm's
in the briefcase, the marshall was forced to check the case.

Troy

Very good points Chris.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
And maybe when Kate found the plane in the envelope, she looked at it like someone had intercepted whatever was in the envelope after she got it from the bank and before she opened the briefcase, and they left the plane in its place, and she knew what it meant and maybe who had taken whatever was originally in there. Sort of like leaving a personal memento behind that brings up a specific memory in her mind. That is an interesting theory except I still don't get why she was so frantic to recover this toy plane from the suitcase. She was so apprehensive about Jack seeing some toy plane and trying to steal the key etc. The toy plane would hardly be incriminating if Jack or Sawyer opened the suitcase and saw it.

Originally posted by nessus
If I could lose 20 years and gain $20,000,000.00 then I probably could!:p

With $20,000,000.00 you wouldn't have to lose the 20 years!

what ucsbgaucho was saying was that she was expecting to find something else in the box. Someone got there before her and swapped whatever it was for the plane.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
And maybe when Kate found the plane in the envelope, she looked at it like someone had intercepted whatever was in the envelope after she got it from the bank and before she opened the briefcase, and they left the plane in its place, and she knew what it meant and maybe who had taken whatever was originally in there. Sort of like leaving a personal memento behind that brings up a specific memory in her mind.

Rosebud ;)

Originally posted by PJO1966
what ucsbgaucho was saying was that she was expecting to find something else in the box. Someone got there before her and swapped whatever it was for the plane. After re-reading usbgaucho's post, I am not sure what he assumes to have happened matches what I assumed happened. Kate opens the safe deposit box #815 and finds ONLY a toy plane in the envelope. Someone removed whatever she expected to find and replaced it with a toy plane. The envelope is then placed in the briefcase with only the toy plane in it. So usbgaucho thinks something incriminating was removed (documents etc.) after we see her examining the toy plane in the bank? That would explain Kate's apprehension at the suitcase being opened but if she knew the toy plane was the ONLY item in the envelope, then I am confused. Hell, nothing new for me.

Originally posted by tall1
After re-reading usbgaucho's post, I am not sure what he assumes to have happened matches what I assumed happened. Kate opens the safe deposit box #815 and finds ONLY a toy plane in the envelope. Someone removed whatever she expected to find and replaced it with a toy plane. The envelope is then placed in the briefcase with only the toy plane in it. So usbgaucho thinks something incriminating was removed (documents etc.) after we see her examining the toy plane in the bank? That would explain Kate's apprehension at the suitcase being opened but if she knew the toy plane was the ONLY item in the envelope, then I am confused. Hell, nothing new for me.

They never showed what was in the safe deposit box. I think he was trying to imply that what she found in the box was different from what they found in the case.

I have no opinion on this, not enough info to go on.

Originally posted by maxman
With $20,000,000.00 you wouldn't have to lose the 20 years! I forgot to mention I'd have to lose 20 pounds also! That's a triple/20 whatever that means?:confused:

BTW: I see the Black Woman's character finally emerged again on last week's episode. Don't know what this means if anything. The preview for next week shows Locke bashing Boone in the back of the head after Boone indicates he wants to tell the other survivors what they found. I'm more convinced that it must have been Locke who hit Sayid when he was trying to locate the source of the French distress signal.

No, what I mean is whatever she found in the envelope when she was at the bank was NOT the toy plane. I AM correct that we never saw what was inside the envelope during the bank robbery scene, right? Anyways, assuming at that point we dont know whats in the envelope... Whatever was in the envelope at that moment in the bank was taken and replaced with the toy plane, which she then finds when she opens the briefcase... so it could be the marshall, or sometime before she gets caught by the marshall in Australia...

Was there any dialogue between Kate and that Australian farmer that she lived with for awhile about planes or anything? It could be something to do with him, since he did find out who she was while she was there. More likely though, the robbery took place a year or so earlier, she was in the U.S. on the run from the law, and finally she was getting close to being caught so she fled to Australia, so there must be a guy in the U.S. that was in her past that she killed, and I doubt its the other bank robber that we're led to believe she was involved with, that was probably a front to get in with him to the bank. I bet the deposit box belongs to the guy she killed, since she said she wasnt on the signature card. So whatever was in the envelope musta been this guy's.

Or...sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. The toy plane could mean something very precious to her. "Rosebud" may not be far off the mark.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
And did anyone else notice the man and the woman were holding hands underwater? Pretty good that they survived hitting that water at such a high rate of speed and still had their hands holding each others, unless it was just a coincidence and the movement of the water that made the hands "float" together. Realistically no one should have survived this crash (and the show even acknowledged that a few episodes ago). In the context of the show I'm thinking maybe the couple survived the crash and the splash landing, but were too injured or shocked to realize they only had to release their seat belts to discover they were on an island instead of in the middle of the ocean. Perhaps the man saw that his wife was dead and decided to die with her.

Wow, I love this show.

Originally posted by keenan
Really? I was going to mention this earlier but I wasn't sure. Someone who stills has this episode recorded please check the plane she had in the envelope, I'm pretty sure I saw that number on the toy plane as well.

The number on the wing of the plane is 5025.

Originally posted by snatch
The number on the wing of the plane is 5025.

I must have been dreaming then, thanks.

Originally posted by keenan
I must have been dreaming then, thanks.
It's okay.... apparently it happens a lot... :)

No prob- the thanks goes to my wife for the HD-Tivo I got for Christmas. :D

Originally posted by snatch
No prob- the thanks goes to my wife for the HD-Tivo I got for Christmas. :D

Our wives think alike ;) I got one for Christmas too! :D

How about this for a Kate-envelope-Man she loves scenario? Follow me, here.

The man that Kate loves/loved is also the man that she "killed" by forcing him to follow her to Australia....the marshal, who is/was also her father.

Think about it: It's not much of a stretch to believe an ex-military man would become a U.S. Marshal, and he'd have had access to the envelope/briefcase at the appropriate time to swap out a toy plane, which I believe are usually pretty abundant at airports and on airplanes. He swapped it for the incriminating evidence that was previously in the envelope to protect her from further prosecution, because he just couldn't do that to the girl he loves...his daughter.

Am I way off here, or is this plausible?

Originally posted by GenoV
How about this for a Kate-envelope-Man she loves scenario? Follow me, here.

The man that Kate loves/loved is also the man that she "killed" by forcing him to follow her to Australia....the marshal, who is/was also her father.

Am I way off here, or is this plausible? You're way off. It's not plausible. ;)

First off, why would the girl refer to her father as "the man I loved?" That title is reserved for romantic relationships only.

Second, the marshall said some things that a father would not say to or about his daughter. I can't remember exact words, but I had the impression that he had been seduced by her wiles at some point, which is what made him all the more adamant about bringing her to justice.

Third, the envelope was labeled "Personal Effects" - not "Evidence." "Personal effects" connotes to me things taken off a person's body, either when admitted to a hospital or correctional institute, or when the detectives show up to canvas the homicide scene.

Originally posted by GenoV
How about this for a Kate-envelope-Man she loves scenario? Follow me, here.

The man that Kate loves/loved is also the man that she "killed" by forcing him to follow her to Australia....the marshal, who is/was also her father.

Think about it: It's not much of a stretch to believe an ex-military man would become a U.S. Marshal, and he'd have had access to the envelope/briefcase at the appropriate time to swap out a toy plane, which I believe are usually pretty abundant at airports and on airplanes. He swapped it for the incriminating evidence that was previously in the envelope to protect her from further prosecution, because he just couldn't do that to the girl he loves...his daughter.

Am I way off here, or is this plausible?

Let's not forget the first thing he did upon waking and seeing her was attempt to choke the life out of her. SERIOUS daddy issues :-)

Spyfy, I replayed that part you mentioned(on page 136 of this thread), it's right after Kate tells Sawyer to be quiet, and you're right, it sounds like someone whispering "help". It's kind of creepy sounding. Weird. I wonder if it's just one more mini-mystery the producers have thrown in to keep all of us quessing/talking/debating/posting and anticipating what comes next.

Not that this has anything to do with the series: "Lost," but there is some very sad news coming from Hollywood today that Brad Pitt & Jennifer Aniston have decided to split!:( First the demise of the "Bennifer" union and now this? Oh no... what to do? On a related note... maybe JA could make a "guest" appearance on "Lost?" I'm voting for a cat (mud) fight between Jennifer and Shannon... the "Battle of the Blondes" in bikinis of course!:p

Originally posted by Dtv4free
Spyfy, I replayed that part you mentioned(on page 136 of this thread), it's right after Kate tells Sawyer to be quiet, and you're right, it sounds like someone whispering "help". It's kind of creepy sounding. Weird. I wonder if it's just one more mini-mystery the producers have thrown in to keep all of us quessing/talking/debating/posting and anticipating what comes next.

Thank you very much for checking that out for me. I knew I wasn't crazy. When that scene happened I told my wife I heard someone say "help." She thought I was crazy. I knew I wasn't hearing things. I gotta get my an HD-Tivo.

Anyone else got any thoughts on this? Were the dead people whispering help so they'd find them?

You're not crazy. I played it for my daughter and she heard it too. I also wondered if it is supposed to be some kind of a call from the grave, although they are quite beyond help now. Unless they're only asking for help to get a decent burial.

I just listened to that part over and over again and I just think it's a bird. But I could be wrong.

Originally posted by Dtv4free
Spyfy, I replayed that part you mentioned(on page 136 of this thread), it's right after Kate tells Sawyer to be quiet, and you're right, it sounds like someone whispering "help". Sounds like a distant bird to me. "Caawww".

Anybody else catch the snipped the other night with Michael Keaton? It was on either Access Hollywood or Entertainment Tonight where he was asked about being offered the part of Jack on Lost. As fredfa reported back in November, he was offered the part, and was excited that the character was going to die after a few episodes. When he found out it was going to be a continuing role, he said "no thanks".

Didn't sound like he had any regrets.

I think what Kate heard was the sound of the waterfall. The other sound sounded like an animal (bird?) to me, also. I turned on ClosedCaptioning, which did not indicate any noteworthy sounds, although that certainly is not the final word.

Turn up the volume and listen again. It is immediately after Kate says "sshhh" to Sawyer. It sounds like someone whispering not an animal or bird sound.

Yeah, if you turn it up and listen immediately after/when she says "sshhh" you can hear it.

And if you listen to it backwards at half speed, it says, "Paul is dead." Sorry, that's for those old enough to remember. :D

I don't think this show is quite that subtle. I think they were just referring to the sound of the waterfall.

I do think the idea that the contents of the envelope were swapped between the bank and the island explains her reactions very well.

Number 9, Number 9, Number 9........ ;)

Originally posted by joeracerx
And if you listen to it backwards at half speed, it says, "Paul is dead." Sorry, that's for those old enough to remember. :D



TURN ME ON, DEADMAN

I just listened to it and you can hear something that sounds like a word whispered before you hear the waterfall.

Originally posted by joeracerx
And if you listen to it backwards at half speed, it says, "Paul is dead." Sorry, that's for those old enough to remember. :D


:eek: :D

Originally posted by eddieras
TURN ME ON, DEADMAN

That was it! Then it said "I BURIED PAUL"!

Was it "I buried Claire"

Originally posted by petergaryr
Anybody else catch the snipped the other night with Michael Keaton? It was on either Access Hollywood or Entertainment Tonight where he was asked about being offered the part of Jack on Lost. As fredfa reported back in November, he was offered the part, and was excited that the character was going to die after a few episodes. When he found out it was going to be a continuing role, he said "no thanks".

Didn't sound like he had any regrets. Michael Keaton is an established movie star and I can understand why he would not be interested in making a long-term commitment to appear on a television series. What I get a kick out of is seeing television personalities who believe their TV popularity enables them to transition to "Movie Star." For every Tom Hanks, there are many more Shelly Long's & David Caruso's...

Originally posted by joeracerx
And if you listen to it backwards at half speed, it says, "Paul is dead." Sorry, that's for those old enough to remember. :D
Originally posted by eddieras
TURN ME ON, DEADMANJust to inform you... "Elvis" has not "left the building," and Jim Morrison is still "alive!" I saw him driving a little red Toyota pick-up truck in downtown Albany, NY, about 10 years ago... :p

"Michael Keaton is an established movie star...."

USED to be..... :eek:

Originally posted by optivity
Michael Keaton is an established movie star and I can understand why he would not be interested in making a long-term commitment to appear on a television series. What I get a kick out of is seeing television personalities who believe their TV popularity enables them to transition to "Movie Star." For every Tom Hanks, there are many more Shelly Long's & David Caruso's...

Or Bill Cosby's. But seriously, I'd say most TV stars do eventually go on to movies (successfully or not). There are very few movie stars who ever become successful TV stars.

-Chris

Charlie Sheen!

Originally posted by Dtv4free
Turn up the volume and listen again. It is immediately after Kate says "sshhh" to Sawyer. It sounds like someone whispering not an animal or bird sound. Yes, no bird nor animal on Earth could have made that "haaawk" sound. :p

Originally posted by tbb1226
Third, the envelope was labeled "Personal Effects" - not "Evidence." "Personal effects" connotes to me things taken off a person's body, either when admitted to a hospital or correctional institute, or when the detectives show up to canvas the homicide scene.
I was waiting for someone to mention this.... I assumed (could be all wet, of course), that the envelope was *Kate's* personal effects from when she/her custody was transferred to the Marshal (who died on the beach). When your arrested and transported, anything on you is/should be packaged separately as personal effects, especially when you're on public transportation.

Could be another envelope, perhaps from the deposit box, of course. But isn't the most obvious answer (not that that means anything with Lost...) that it's her effects and she wanted it bad? Does seem like a long way to go for that plane trinket, unless it did have overwhelming sentimental value.

I also caught the fact that the Halliburton case was supposed to be in the cargo hold. Because it had firearms in it, it would have to be there, if we're following current FAA regs (of course, what year and universe we are in is all up to question).

But why would Kate make up the 'he had to check it' question, and then it's found tucked away under another couple's seat?!

As for the long drawn out scene about opening the case, I assume they threw that in to account for the 'key' scene. Those cases don't have any special locks, per se. People were acting like 'ooh, Halliburton, you need a cutting torch!'. :D

Anyone notice that more happened in the first two hours of 24 last night than in the whole season of Lost?

Ah yes "character-development."

Originally posted by wco81
Anyone notice that more happened in the first two hours of 24 last night than in the whole season of Lost?

Ah yes "character-development."

Was glad to see Jack Bauer back to his lawbreaking, torturing, sleep with the wrong woman ways. :-)

But to be fair 24 is an established show and the eps were filmed knowing they had a season long committment.

Originally posted by Iteki
Was glad to see Jack Bauer back to his lawbreaking, torturing, sleep with the wrong woman ways. :-)Please pardon me here, but I'm recording 24 to watch this summer. If you'd please bear with me in this LOST thread and avoid spoilers on 24, I'd be very grateful.

FYI: My wife and I rented the DVD of the 1st season of 24 two summers ago, which was the first time we had heard/had interest in the show. It was nice to have something that wasn't a repeat to watch, and we really enjoyed the show. We then borrowed a friends' 2nd season DVD the summer before last. Last year, I recorded the 3rd season myself, and saved it onto DVDs, which we viewed this past summer. This has become a very nice "tradition," but I have to avoid all 24 discussions to keep from spoiling the twists and turns. I didn't even consider that I'd have that problem in the LOST thread, so I'm hoping you'll work with me here.

Xesdeeni

A lot of people won't watch the current season of 24 because they're not "caught up" with all the previous eps.

There is minimal continuity from previous seasons. Each season is almost self-contained. In fact, this year, a lot of the cast from the previous seasons are no longer with the show.

I'm speaking of this season. We're caught up until last season, but we won't be watching this season until the summer.

Xesdeeni

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
Please pardon me here, but I'm recording 24 to watch this summer. If you'd please bear with me in this LOST thread and avoid spoilers on 24, I'd be very grateful.


Kind of a selfish request, don't you think? These threads basically exist for fans to hash out the latest action, post questions and speculate on where the show might go from there. All "spoiler" heavy, by necessity.

You, on the other hand, can achieve your desire by simply avoiding the threads pertaining to shows you plan to watch over the summer. Consider it a heroic act of sacrifice for all the other fans of these shows that are watching them in a timely fashion and want to talk about them while their recollections are still fresh. Me, I DVR them and never visit the thread until I've watched that week's episode.

Originally posted by archiguy
Kind of a selfish request, don't you think? These threads basically exist for fans to hash out the latest action, post questions and speculate on where the show might go from there. All "spoiler" heavy, by necessity.

You, on the other hand, can achieve your desire by simply avoiding the threads pertaining to shows you plan to watch over the summer. Consider it a heroic act of sacrifice for all the other fans of these shows that are watching them in a timely fashion and want to talk about them while their recollections are still fresh. Me, I DVR them and never visit the thread until I've watched that week's episode.

But this is the LOST thread. There should be NO spoilers to other shows such as 24 on this thread. It's not selfish to expect to see only Lost discussions on the Lost thread.

Not to take sides (I don't watch 24, so I don't care much either way), but I think it's reasonable for Xesdeeni to be able to read a thread about 'LOST' without encountering spoiler information about '24'. I'm sure he probably DOES avoid any threads about '24' that might include spoilers... but this thread isn't about '24'.

Originally posted by archiguy
You, on the other hand, can achieve your desire by simply avoiding the threads pertaining to shows you plan to watch over the summer.Originally posted by vmark
I think it's reasonable for Xesdeeni to be able to read a thread about 'LOST' without encountering spoiler information about '24'. I'm sure he probably DOES avoid any threads about '24' that might include spoilers... but this thread isn't about '24'. Exactly. I DO avoid 24 threads (and then give a valiant try to catch up after summer viewing), but I'm not waiting until summer to watch LOST, and I enjoy the hell out of this thread. I was just asking that spoilers about 24 be segregated to 24 threads. Thanks.

Xesdeeni

A reasonable request.

Let's stick to LOST discussion.

I would guess that archiguy was under the impression that he was in the "24" thread when he posted. I think it's pretty well established that if you want to avoid "spoilers" for something that has already aired, avoid the thread until you've seen the show that has already aired (EST).

Any true spoilers for things that are for future episodes should be concealed in spoiler text.

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
Exactly. I DO avoid 24 threads (and then give a valiant try to catch up after summer viewing), but I'm not waiting until summer to watch LOST, and I enjoy the hell out of this thread. I was just asking that spoilers about 24 be segregated to 24 threads. Thanks.

Xesdeeni

Sorry if you felt what I posted was a spoiler...but let's be honest, if I had said that Captain Kirk kissed a girl, blew up Klingons, and got a redshirt killed...that's not a spoiler, that's a running joke about the show. He ALWAYS does these things lol. Same thing with saying Jack Bauer is breaking laws, torturing people, and sleeping with the wrong woman. Pick a season, any season :-)

My apologies if I was misunderstood :-)

Originally posted by Iteki
Sorry if you felt what I posted was a spoilerNO NO NO! I didn't think you had posted a spoiler. As you said, Jack will be Jack :-) I just saw the handwriting on the wall, and was hoping to head it off.

Now back to our regularly scheduled LOST discussion:

I'm sorry I deleted the recording before I checked up here last week. I assumed that more HD shots would be posted from the show, and I even told my wife you'd forgive me, since others would post. But conspicuously absent was the nice shot of Kate's buns escaping her skimpy panties as she climbed on the rocks. I'll wait next time (and someone will tell me how to embed a picture--attaching is no problem, but I can't figure out how to embed them--i.e. where does the image reside?).

Also, my wife's first comment when they found the bodies was, "ugh, and they're swimming in that water..."

Xesdeeni

Iteki - now you're ruining Star Trek - you're out of control. :D

Maybe someone can post another picture of Shannon or Kate - that should get things back on track. ;)

Originally posted by CPanther95
Iteki - now you're ruining Star Trek - you're out of control. :D

Maybe someone can post another picture of Shannon or Kate - that should get things back on track. ;)
K. Done. :D

Originally posted by wco81
Anyone notice that more happened in the first two hours of 24 last night than in the whole season of Lost?

Ah yes "character-development."
Like the writers tell us on The Fuselage, this show is character-driven. If you dont like it, change the channel. :D

Originally posted by CPanther95
Iteki - now you're ruining Star Trek - you're out of control. :D

Maybe someone can post another picture of Shannon or Kate - that should get things back on track. ;)

Want me to tell you how Passion of the Christ ends? :-)

Yes, I was grossed out by the swimming with dead people thing too. Put a major damper on the quasi-romantic swim. Personally I think they should fish out those bodies and cremate them as well. Yuck.

Originally posted by neoufo51
K. Done. :D

Thanks - now who's good at Photoshop? :)

Originally posted by CPanther95
Thanks - now who's good at Photoshop? :)
I updated it with a bigger, better quality image complete with message. :D

And not to disappoint the Kate fans...:D

Originally posted by neoufo51
I updated it with a bigger, better quality image complete with message. :D

And not to disappoint the Kate fans...:D

Man, you gotta love this forum.

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
...(and someone will tell me how to embed a picture--attaching is no problem, but I can't figure out how to embed them--i.e. where does the image reside?)...

Xesdeeni

You have to use the IMG tag, and the image must be hosted somewhere on the internet.

The format is (w/o spaces) [ IMG ] http://someserver.com/image.jpg [ /IMG ]

An example:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/avsforum-logo.jpg

By request: Another Kate image.

And that will be all for now. We need to actually discuss ;)

Originally posted by Iteki
Want me to tell you how Passion of the Christ ends? :-)

Yes, I was grossed out by the swimming with dead people thing too. Put a major damper on the quasi-romantic swim. Personally I think they should fish out those bodies and cremate them as well. Yuck.

Not to mention that the decaying bodies would reck havoc on the quality of all that fresh drinking water. :(

Originally posted by stephenC
Not to mention that the decaying bodies would reck havoc on the quality of all that fresh drinking water. :(

I had considered that too...

Somewhere there is a lake that is feeding them their water...why has noone tried tracing it back to it's source?

Originally posted by Iteki
I had considered that too...

Somewhere there is a lake that is feeding them their water...why has noone tried tracing it back to it's source?

More likely natural springs...even a lake has to have a water source, and there doesn't look to be much snow melt there...:p

Originally posted by keenan
More likely natural springs...even a lake has to have a water source, and there doesn't look to be much snow melt there...:p

Just researched this to see what was what. Tropical islands generally get their drinking water from freshwater lenses. Not a spring or lake, but an accumulation of rainfall.

Interesting google search of freshwater lenses tropical islands. Here's an interesting link:

http://www.unep.or.jp/ietc/Publications/TechPublications/TechPub-8d/methodology.asp

Also a diagram of freshwater lens attached.

So I guess no expedition :-( Darn

Originally posted by keenan
... and there doesn't look to be much snow melt there...:p

Where do you think the polar bears romp?:D

Originally posted by spyfy
Anyone got the last episode recorded? When Kate and Sawyer are in the woods and Kate says listen. This is right before they find the waterfall. The sounds she heard right before she said listen really sounded like someone saying "Help" mixed into the noise of the waterfall. Someone replay that and listen carefully.

spyfy, I know this was mostly laughed about here but I heard it and I told a friend about it and she has started a thread at lost-tv and abc. Check them out here: http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=166110

and here: http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm29.showMessage?topic ID=811.topic

There has been alot of activity on the threads and some interesting theories. Many have replayed the scene and heard the whisper.

It's funny how this show gets nitpicked to death. Over here, we talking about fresh water supply, and over at tivocommunity.com, they're talking about the song at the end of the French version of FINDING NEMO.

Anyways, for those who wants more HDTV captures of the show (not just Kate and Shannon), go over to lost-media.com (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine) . (This is not my site.)

No one has mentioned the French women's translations or the music playing at the end. Wasn't the song at the end Somewhere over the sea, somewhere waiting for me etc.. can't remember the song but its an old classic. This might be the song that is in the end of the french film and what the translations refer to? I am sure this has some importance?

Originally posted by Savageone79
No one has mentioned the French women's translations or the music playing at the end. Wasn't the song at the end Somewhere over the sea, somewhere waiting for me etc.. can't remember the song but its an old classic. This might be the song that is in the end of the french film and what the translations refer to? I am sure this has some importance?

Earlier in the thread. Many of us recognized the melody from Beyond the Sea, but the version she is singing is La Mer , the french original. The lyrics are completely different from the English version.

Originally posted by dtle
Anyways, for those who wants more HDTV captures of the show (not just Kate and Shannon), go over to lost-media.com (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine) . (This is not my site.) WARNING, WARNING...SPOILER ALERT! There are promotional pictures from tomorrow night's episode, and they give away several things! View at your own risk (and I wish I hadn't).

Xesdeeni

Some guy posted this EXTREME spoiler for "Hearts and Minds" in the Lost Media Forums.

Shannon and Boone are stepsiblings, but also develop a sexual relationship in one of their flashbacks. Apparently he's been in love with her for years, and thinks he's been protecting her from abusive boyfriends by paying them to go away. But she's actually been conning him by staging fake abusive relationships and pocketing part of the payoff money. This all gets exposed in a flashback set just before Flight 815. "Also, all is not what it seems with regard to Shannon becoming monster chow, no matter what we've been shown on the screen so far. Apparently Boone is made to think Shannon is killed when she really isn't, as part of Locke's plans. I know that the reason locke hits boone is not becaus he tells their secret (the metal they found is actually a hatch to an nderground room that has some dated materials in it including some computers with "disturbing" information about the island) to shannon, it is true that he says are you aware of the reprucutions. But the reason he says that is because what they discovered is so shocking it may send chills threw the castaways. Mid way through the episode boone breaks down and attempts to attack sayid but luckily locke is near and smacks him on the head with a knife. not oon after it is revealed from shannon that boone has self esteem problems and is a compulsive liar to make himself look better. But with out the medication his problem may become fatal not to him but to others.

Lets see if this spoiler proves correct tomorrow.

I went back and looked at a couple of things from the last episode because of some of the things being said in this thread. The 2 things i was interested in were the "help" being whispered after Kate said shh and the contents of the bank box.

I listened carefully to the sound after Kate said Shh and I definitely heard the "help". I played it for my wife and she heard the same thing.

I looked at the envelope in the deposit box and even paused it at that point to get a better look. The only thing in that envelope in the toy plane. You can distinctly see it's outline where the lump is.

I heard the help too. It's being discussed in all the forums and we even asked the writers whats up with that on their website. We will find out what happened to Claire on Episode 15 entitled "Homecoming"

I think Kate is "bad!":mad: Soon she and Locke will join forces with the "Others." Bank-Robber Kate... Kate is bad.

Could the "help" cry that Kate hears be coming from inside that waterfall? You'd think if she heard the voice coming from one direction and the waterfall from another, she'd be able to distinguish them as two separate sounds, which she doesn't. Could there be a cave underneath the waterfall, which there usually is, where they were just swimming, which is holding some secrets, like Claire perhaps?

I am still wondering how a case with guns in it got onto a plane as a carry on. Even if you are a U.S. Marshall, I don't think they would let you on a commercial flight with a case full of guns. I too think there is something significant about the couple in the seats and the case.

The marshall had his own weapon with him on the plane. Wasn't that the gun Sawyer used to shoot the polar bear? So if the let him on with a holstered gun, why not allow a carry-on to be stowed under the seat or in the overhead? The case was under the seat which means if all landed in the pond intact, it was stowed by the person(s) in the seats immediately behind them. That;s why it was such a struggle for Kate and Sawyer to pull the thing out from in fromt of the seat. There's a bar there to prevent items from sliding forward. Was there ever a shot of who was sitting in front of Kate and the marshall before the plane went down?

If you don't like spoilers, do NOT read the epsiode summary of next week's episode in TV GUIDE. I just did, and my mind is reeling.

If you do like spoilers, here's what it says:
"Ever notice how fathers seem to be pivotal in the backstories of several characters? Tonight focuses on Michael and his 10-year-old son Walt. Michael strengthens his bond with Sun by confiding that he 'missed [his boy's] whole childhood.' Turmoil separated them, as Walt moved to Europe with his mom and her new lover. Later, tragedy reunited the son and father, who's unnerved by an eerie revelation: 'Sometimes, when [Walt's] around, things happen. It's like he's different somehow.' Which means he fits right in on that island."

Hmm. And who was reading the comic with the polar bear right before the polar bear attacked?

I can't wait til next week!

Originally posted by jake14mw
I am still wondering how a case with guns in it got onto a plane as a carry on. Even if you are a U.S. Marshall, I don't think they would let you on a commercial flight with a case full of guns.

Why not, if he had the proper credentials? Locke was able to check a case full of big, honkin' knives onto the plane and all checked luggage is supposed to be x-ray'd.

Originally posted by wiggo
If you don't like spoilers, do NOT read the epsiode summary of next week's episode in TV GUIDE. I just did, and my mind is reeling.

If you do like spoilers, here's what it says:
"Ever notice how fathers seem to be pivotal in the backstories of several characters? Tonight focuses on Michael and his 10-year-old son Walt. Michael strengthens his bond with Sun by confiding that he 'missed [his boy's] whole childhood.' Turmoil separated them, as Walt moved to Europe with his mom and her new lover. Later, tragedy reunited the son and father, who's unnerved by an eerie revelation: 'Sometimes, when [Walt's] around, things happen. It's like he's different somehow.' Which means he fits right in on that island."

Hmm. And who was reading the comic with the polar bear right before the polar bear attacked?

I can't wait til next week!

That fits in with the TiVo synopsis for next week. I'm paraphrasing:

Michael and Locke clash over how Walt should be raised, which leads to the return of the mysterious creature

Originally posted by archiguy
Why not, if he had the proper credentials? Locke was able to check a case full of big, honkin' knives onto the plane and all checked luggage is supposed to be x-ray'd.

I should have been more specific. Yes, checked luggage would be fine. I meant carry-on baggage, as it appeared to be, since it was under a seat. I would think it would be a security risk to allow anyone (even a marshall) to carry-on multiple guns.

Given the questions about security scanning for the airline in this show...

Has it ever been revealed when this show is supposedly taking place? Obviously pre-2001 would have had looser screening...

I think it is assumed that the timeframe for the show is 'current' but I could be wrong.

I getting the feeling that children will play a key role in the island's "mystery." Claire's baby...Rousseau's child, etc. There's been more than a couple of mysteries where children are at the center.

Originally posted by Savageone79
No one has mentioned the French women's translations or the music playing at the end. Wasn't the song at the end Somewhere over the sea, somewhere waiting for me etc.. can't remember the song but its an old classic. This might be the song that is in the end of the french film and what the translations refer to? I am sure this has some importance?

Bobby Darin's Beyond the Sea. Here are the lyrics:

Somewhere beyond the sea,
Somewhere, waiting for me,
My lover stands on golden sands
And watches the ships that go sailing;

Somewhere beyond the sea,
He's (She's) there watching for me.
If I could fly like birds on high,
Then straight to his (her) arms I'd go sailing.

It's far beyond a star,
It's near beyond the moon,
I know beyond a doubt
My heart will lead me there soon.

We'll meet beyond the shore,
We'll kiss just as before.
Happy we'll be beyond the sea,
And never again I'll go sailing!

Supposedly, from a web site where I found the lyrics. This song was loosely based on the French song "La Mer". Here are the lyrics in French and the English translation:

La mer
Qu'on voit danser le long des golfes clairs
A des reflets d'argent
La mer
Des reflets changeants
Sous la pluie

The sea
which one sees dancing along the clear gulfs
to sparkles of silver.
The sea
Of changing sparkles
Under the rain.


La mer
Au ciel d'été confond
Ses blancs moutons
Avec les anges si purs
La mer bergčre d'azur
Infinie

The sea
Confuses the summer sky's sheep
With angels so pure.
The sea
Shepherdess of blue infinity.


Voyez
Prčs des étangs
Ces grands roseaux mouillés
Voyez
Ces oiseaux blancs
Et ces maisons rouillées

Look!
Next to the ponds
Those tall wet reeds.
Look!
Those white birds
And those rusty houses [cabins of boats?]

La mer
Les a bercés
Le long des golfes clairs
Et d'une chanson d'amour
La mer
A bercé mon coeur pour la vie

The Sea
Has rocked them [like a baby]
Along the clear gulfs.
The Sea
Has rocked my heart for life.


Either song...if you look at the words, brings more questions to mind..."beyond the moon" does that mean they are really dead, etc.

Originally posted by durl
I getting the feeling that children will play a key role in the island's "mystery." Claire's baby...Rousseau's child, etc. There's been more than a couple of mysteries where children are at the center.

it's been mentioned previously...

Although I'm convinced genetics/DNA is involved, I won't bother rehashing the clone theory until we have more info :-)

Just read this on tvguides website :

LOST/ALIAS CROSSOVER: No, Sydney isn't gonna get into a tussle with Locke. But on tonight's Alias, listen closely during scenes set at Weiss' birthday party: In the background, you'll hear the song "You All Everybody" � that's right, the hit by Driveshaft, the rock band that drove Lost boy Charlie to drugs! That J.J. Abrams � what will he think of next?!

I almost had my wife convinced last week that the 2 shows are intertwined. Since Locke was on Alias last season and Weiss was the pilot of the plane.

Originally posted by durl
I getting the feeling that children will play a key role in the island's "mystery." Claire's baby...Rousseau's child, etc. There's been more than a couple of mysteries where children are at the center.

I agree. It's been awhile, but there have been several instances of strange things involving Walt.

1. The polar bear (like the one in the comic he was reading)
2. His "luck" at backgammon
3. The fact that his dog survived the crash unscathed despite being in the cargo hold (presumably).

We may see that there's some sort of special connection between the island or the Others and children.

sure seems like JJ Abrams saw the Twilight Zone Movie too many times, to have come up with the story for Walt

Check out this link....I guess she needed the money??


http://www.livelinks.com/evangeline.jsp#

Originally posted by jake14mw
I should have been more specific. Yes, checked luggage would be fine. I meant carry-on baggage, as it appeared to be, since it was under a seat. I would think it would be a security risk to allow anyone (even a marshall) to carry-on multiple guns.

The baggage would have been checked in Australia. What are the procedures for airport security in Australia?

Paul

Originally posted by sccofer
Check out this link....I guess she needed the money??


http://www.livelinks.com/evangeline.jsp# Old news reported here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/printpost.php?postid=4463693) 3 months ago.

WOW... weird twists tonight.

Near incest, major character death, Locke getting even more freaky... and Hurley asking the Korean guy to pee on him. You have to love this show!

Originally posted by madpoet
WOW... weird twists tonight.

Near incest, major character death, Locke getting even more freaky... and Hurley asking the Korean guy to pee on him. You have to love this show!

The second bit of that spoiler...really?

Almost... I was fooled ;). Teach me to believe everything the island shows you!

Originally posted by madpoet
Almost... I was fooled ;). Teach me to believe everything the island shows you!

Haha, I thought so. A little more time before that happens this season. Right before the season finale I hear.

All is not as it appears on this "island".

Paul

hey...my sa 8000 hiccuped and i missed the opening scene...

can anyway give a short overview of the 1st 5 minutes???

great episode...

thanks...

Was anyone else reminded of this when Boone and Locke were digging the thing up?

Late last night and the night before
Tommyknockers, Tommyknockers,
knocking on the door.
I want to go out, don't know if I can,
'cause I'm so afraid
of the Tommyknocker man.

Thoughts after tonights excellent show:
1) The hatch leads to some sort of underground facility, as the island is artificial. That would explain the compass being off due to the largely metal properties of this "island"....not to mention the power cable. I almost said "man-made" but you never know.

2) Boone and Shannon are not blood relations...but still....yuck. Could you imagine Greg and Marcia Brady getting together?!

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Has it ever been revealed when this show is supposedly taking place? Obviously pre-2001 would have had looser screening...

I think I saw a Chrysler 300 in the street in the opening sceen at Shannon's house. Those came out in 2004.

They referred to the metal door as a "hatch". I looked up the definition of hatch.

"An opening, as in the deck of a ship, in the roof or floor of a building, or in an aircraft".

So, are they on or in a ship or aircraft?

Ok Somebody asks every week so i'll do this week. My boss called at like 2 minutes to 9pm (central) and we are having thunderstorms (yes there is snow on the ground and were having thunderstorms)so I don't know what was said after Boone said "you drugged me" nor did we get to see or hear the previews for next week. Can someone help me out?

Originally posted by Innova
Was anyon else reminded of this when Boone and Locke were digging the thing up?

Late last night and the night before
Tommyknockers, Tommyknockers,
knocking on the door.
I want to go out, don't know if I can,
'cause I'm so afraid
of the Tommyknocker man.

Totally! I'm waiting for their teeth to start falling out lol

The power went out and missed about the last 15 minutes of this on the HDTivo. I'm downloading it and if no one answers your question, I will after I watch it.

Wow!!! I love this show.

Originally posted by Jeff Whitford
Ok Somebody asks every week so i'll do this week. My boss called at like 2 minutes to 9pm (central) and we are having thunderstorms (yes there is snow on the ground and were having thunderstorms)so I don't know what was said after Boone said "you drugged me" nor did we get to see or hear the previews for next week. Can someone help me out?

Locke: I gave you an experience I believe was vital to your survival on this island.
Boone: It wasn't real?
Locke: It was only as real as you made it.
Boone: I saw her... I saw her die.
Locke : How did you feel when she died.
Boone: I felt relieved… I felt relieved.
Locke: Yes... Time to let go.

Locke get up, throw his bag on his shoulder and said "Follow me" and Boone follows him into the forest.

Hmm, sounds like that moment in Dallas where she finds her husband in the shower.

Maybe they are really on an alien space ship and they were all abducted and the Island is just a giant holodeck. :)

StarTrek: The Generation After Next.

or

StarTrek: Generation LOST

Originally posted by Karnis
Could you imagine Greg and Marcia Brady getting together?! Yes.

Interesting cameo appearance by Sawyer in the "Boone and Shannon" history. I wonder when we find out how they ended up crossing paths in a big city like Sydney, before winding up on the same doomed flight?

It seems that every time a character has a major flashback-backstory episode we learn that they may have had a (subconscious) reason for wanting that plane to go down.

Maybe Sawyer was in a bar fight that killed Jack's Dad?

Originally posted by tbb1226
Interesting cameo appearance by Sawyer in the "Boone and Shannon" history. I wonder when we find out how they ended up crossing paths in a big city like Sydney, before winding up on the same doomed flight?

Late last night and the night before
Tommyknockers, Tommyknockers,
knocking on the door.
I want to go out, don't know if I can,
'cause I'm so afraid
of the Tommyknocker man.
There seems to be a lot of Stephen King in this show...

It wouldn't really surprise me to see Steve in a cameo role as one of the "others".

--Dan

The power went out and missed about the last 15 minutes of this on the HDTivo.
That's why my HD-TiVo is on an Uninterruptible Power Supply... :D

Originally posted by Karnis
Could you imagine Greg and Marcia Brady getting together?!

No, but Marcia and Mrs. Brady? Yes, very much.

Yeah, that was a weird, unexpected twist they threw in with Boone and Shannon. For whatever reason I thought this whole time that Boone was gay and some sort of environmental do gooder. I was just going based on some things that Shannon had said to him. Missed that one completely huh? Can't blame him though. I mean step-sister isn't the same thing right?

And they fooled me with the whole Shannon getting killedsequence. Tricky bastards.

Dude!! I was recording Lost on the Fusion last night, so I switched over to Carnivale at the break when Boone found Shannon all mangled up, and actually went to bed kind of depressed about losing the 1st or 2nd best lookin' chick on the island (Ginger or Maryanne again!!). Didn't watch the very end until today. Its funny, because probably most of us knew there was going to be some JJ Abrams twist from the time we saw the previews last week, but this one was extremely well executed!!
I've had Boone/Shannon having some kind of unusual relationship in my head all along, so that part wasn't a big surprise.
Did get a big kick out of Sawyer walking by Boone in the police station.
Guess we'll never know how Hurley's foot got healed, but we can assume :-)

Anyone catch Alias right after Lost? When Sydney was talking to her Dad on the balcony, the music in the background when her sister opens the door is Charlie's hit single!

Could you imagine Greg and Marcia Brady getting together?!

Somebody already has! Google "The Erotic Adventures Of The Brady Bunch".

What...no comments about the episode going 2 minutes longer than usual (until 9:03 EDT)? Does everyone "pad" their DVR settings by 5 minutes now?

Originally posted by fhall1
What...no comments about the episode going 2 minutes longer than usual (until 9:03 EDT)? Does everyone "pad" their DVR settings by 5 minutes now?

The E* program guide actually had the show listed from 7:00-8:05 PM (Central). :)

Amazingly, my Comcast HD PVR (SA8000HD) picked up the extra minutes on its own!

Now I am starting to wonder if the pilot was real or not in the "pilot" episode. There is some force on the island that both Locke and Boone have encountered, and it doesn't appear to really kill anyone. It can read your mind and make you believe something that isn't really happening.

So maybe the "force" got into Jack's head (and maybe Kate's and Charlie's too) and determined that Jack really wanted to find a pilot alive. So it created the vision for them to give them just enough information before "removing" the pilot.

Originally posted by chroma601
Amazingly, my Comcast HD PVR (SA8000HD) picked up the extra minutes on its own!

My Comcast on-screen program guide had it listed to end at 9:03, so I would presume their PVR's record the time that's listed in the guide.

Now I am starting to wonder if the pilot was real or not in the "pilot" episode. There is some force on the island that both Locke and Boone have encountered, and it doesn't appear to really kill anyone. It can read your mind and make you believe something that isn't really happening.

Wasn't that a Star Trek episode?

I think a lot of people completely missed everything that was said in the first 15 minutes of Lost last night on WJLADT, so could someone please summarize what happened and what was said in those first few scenes. It's amazing that there are websites and message boards for Lost where literally hundreds of people discuss stuff giving away every surprise that happened in the episode but not one single person put up a decent or brief or any kind of a summary of the episode, not even ABC even though they've had these episodes finished for weeks and obviously know that some are going to miss episodes or have DVR or VCR problems, etc., and are going to want to know immediately what happens. My DVR has a lot of disk space being tied up with this HD recording and I can't even watch it since I have no idea what happened in the beginning. Is there anywhere to get or watch full episodes over the internet, or anywhere to get prompt and detailed summaries of TV episodes, not just the 2 sentence promo blurbs from sites like tvtome, etc.?

Originally posted by chroma601
Amazingly, my Comcast HD PVR (SA8000HD) picked up the extra minutes on its own! My Moxi box conveniently belched at 9:01pm cutting off the last minute - the damn thing is never smart enough to pick up on these shows that go over by a couple of minutes. I know why the networks do it but it still pisses me off and it just ain't right.

Thanks dlan for the info on that last bit of conversation as I had missed the last few lines. That was it though? This show is starting to remind me of Angel in wondering if they'll ever answer any of the questions they bring up. :confused:

Was a there a preview for next weeks episode and if so what happened in it? Thanks!

Originally posted by nycdc911
I think a lot of people completely missed everything that was said in the first 15 minutes of Lost last night on WJLADT, so could someone please summarize what happened and what was said in those first few scenes.

The first 5 minutes or so were just scenes from earlier episodes, mostly of Locke and Boone.

Boone was upset that Sayid has shown an interest in his sister and told him to back off. Sayid responded by saying "What are you going to do about it?". Boone just left then.

Hurley was complaining to Boone that his "hunting trips" haven't brought any boar to the camp site in a week, and that he needs to try harder.

Shannon was also questioning Boone about what he was really doing, but he stuck with the hunting story.

http://www.tvguide.com/news/insider/050113b.asp

Originally posted by nycdc911
It's amazing that there are websites and message boards for Lost where literally hundreds of people discuss stuff giving away every surprise that happened in the episode but not one single person put up a decent or brief or any kind of a summary of the episode, not even ABC even though they've had these episodes finished for weeks and obviously know that some are going to miss episodes or have DVR or VCR problems, etc., and are going to want to know immediately what happens.

Learn to use Google. It took me 30 seconds to find this:http://www.livejournal.com/users/cleolinda/

OK, I guess I'm in the minority here.

Once again, disappointed in last night's episode. Since the first few episodes the pace has slowed down to a soap-opera crawl. I doubt the little bits of crumbs the show throws at us each week will sustain the audience. By little bits of crumbs I mean the occasional action sequence and character background revelation.

Is this show going to last? Consider the following:

1. I didn't watch the entire People's Choice Awards but I believe Lost didn't pick up one award. Significant considering this is a statement coming directly from the viewing public.

2. Interesting stats about this thread: the thread was started on 9/22. Number of posts per month has declined as follows:1,132 - 828 - 620 - 360. The last number represents 2 weeks from 12/22 to yesterday but you get the point.

3. Season ratings: #12 as of today. Don't know what the trend is but I know it started out in the top 10. Last week's #7 showing was probably due to its anticipated return from the holiday hiatus.

I don't mean to offend anyone or start any flame wars. My point is what would you do to improve this show. I for one would like to see it move a little quicker in terms of character development. More gratuitous undie shots of Kate & Shannon a la Jennifer Gardner in Alias :D would certainly be welcomed (but not necessary to the survival of the show). And while we're at it, they should make more effective use of 5.1, especially the LFE for us HT types. Anyone see Alias after last night's show? THAT'S how you do 5.1!

I hope I'm wrong but at this rate I predict the show will bite the dust early in it's second season. In today's fast-paced, 500-channel world too many viewers will lose interest waiting for a story to slowly and painstakenly unfold.:(

Ok, how about this. The "beast" or whatever makes you imagine something that hasn't really happened, but it's very believable. Remember way back in the beginning when all of the survivors heard it near the campsite? What if it's only made all of them collectively believe there was a crash? Like a Matrix kind of thing, or some sort of psych experiment. Or, maybe there are only a few "real" people and the rest are fake. This could really open up weird possibilities. Of course it's very speculative and probably far off the mark, but it does show how much this program keeps us guessing. It's definitely not your standard Hollywood drama.

Originally posted by snowcat
Now I am starting to wonder if the pilot was real or not in the "pilot" episode. There is some force on the island that both Locke and Boone have encountered, and it doesn't appear to really kill anyone. It can read your mind and make you believe something that isn't really happening.

So maybe the "force" got into Jack's head (and maybe Kate's and Charlie's too) and determined that Jack really wanted to find a pilot alive. So it created the vision for them to give them just enough information before "removing" the pilot.

I was thinking the same thing, but consider this: The "invisible monster" is in Boone's sub-concious as a threat in the jungle, so he imagines it killing Shannon. When Jack, Kate and Charlie set out to look for the pilot they had no idea this thing existed and/or had the capacity to kill someone.

BTW I also agree, the development of the show is way too slow. I think the problem is, that there is one huge reveal, whay they are on the island. Once this is revealed, it turns into gilligans island, with the mudane daily adventures of fishing and collecting coconuts.

Originally posted by fhall1
What...no comments about the episode going 2 minutes longer than usual (until 9:03 EDT)? Does everyone "pad" their DVR settings by 5 minutes now?
Yes.

Originally posted by fhall1
What...no comments about the episode going 2 minutes longer than usual (until 9:03 EDT)? Does everyone "pad" their DVR settings by 5 minutes now?

Some of us record Alias afterwards, so there's no problem. Just have to remember to pad Alias :).

Last night may be the last time I watch. The whole Shannon thing ruined the show for me. Now you can not trust watch you see or have seen. The show could become a complete farse.

Originally posted by Dynot
OK, I guess I'm in the minority here.

Once again, disappointed in last night's episode. Since the first few episodes the pace has slowed down to a soap-opera crawl. I doubt the little bits of crumbs the show throws at us each week will sustain the audience. By little bits of crumbs I mean the occasional action sequence and character background revelation.

Is this show going to last? Consider the following:

1. I didn't watch the entire People's Choice Awards but I believe Lost didn't pick up one award. Significant considering this is a statement coming directly from the viewing public.

2. Interesting stats about this thread: the thread was started on 9/22. Number of posts per month has declined as follows:1,132 - 828 - 620 - 360. The last number represents 2 weeks from 12/22 to yesterday but you get the point.

3. Season ratings: #12 as of today. Don't know what the trend is but I know it started out in the top 10. Last week's #7 showing was probably due to its anticipated return from the holiday hiatus.

I don't mean to offend anyone or start any flame wars. My point is what would you do to improve this show. I for one would like to see it move a little quicker in terms of character development. More gratuitous undie shots of Kate & Shannon a la Jennifer Gardner in Alias :D would certainly be welcomed (but not necessary to the survival of the show). And while we're at it, they should make more effective use of 5.1, especially the LFE for us HT types. Anyone see Alias after last night's show? THAT'S how you do 5.1!

I hope I'm wrong but at this rate I predict the show will bite the dust early in it's second season. In today's fast-paced, 500-channel world too many viewers will lose interest waiting for a story to slowly and painstakenly unfold.:( I agree with "some" (but not all) of your assertions... It seems to me the series "Lost" has gone into a pattern where there are an endless stream of questions raised without providing any answers... this can go on for awhile but after 13 episodes it would make sense to start "connecting some of the dots..." As far as the "People's Choice Awards" go.... I'm "so sick" of Hollywood hype... to me it's a real "turn-off." I can't stand the "shmoozing" that goes on, and when people like the "Pitts" split... they remain "loving & committed" friends! Give me a break... OK, now back to "Lost..."

What I took away from last night's episode is a different view of Locke. For a long time I thought he was going to turn out bad, but now I believe he may be a "catalyst" for good. Twice he has influenced people, Charlie to give up his drug addiction and Boone to move on from an unhealthy relationship with Shannon, in a positive manner. I'd like to know what was "in" that medicine he applied to Boone's head wound last night?

Originally posted by dm145
Last night may be the last time I watch. The whole Shannon thing ruined the show for me. Now you can not trust watch you see or have seen. The show could become a complete farse.

So do you think the 'paste' that Locke put on Boone's wound was the catalyst for his 'vision'? If so, how did Locke come by it?

I too am getting a bit anxious...for myself I'm willing to be patient and trust the producers to do the right thing for the show and not rush themselves. But I also realize that the average viewer may not have that kind of patience, and the show could die off.

We discussed earlier on in the thread (almost at the beginning) the dangers of the big reveal. Reveal it too soon and noone wants to watch. Reveal it too late, and people have lost patience and stopped watching anyway.

They still have a few more backstories to do (Hurley comes to mind, as well as Walt and his dad)...I'm hoping for more answers soon :-)

I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the "People's Choice" awards either....look what won for best comedy....."Joey"....give me a break.

Something's gotta be brewing for a twist with Locke....how many times are we going to hear someone say; "If there's one person on this island I'd trust with my life, it's John Locke?" before something dastardly happens?

Did anyone else notice when Boone and Shannon were walking through the jungle after their initial escape from the creature, and before it grabbed her, it came up behind them and made that shreiking noise and there was the blur of motion behind them, presumably from the creature? I thought at first it looked strange, so I rewound and watched in slo-mo, and the blur looked like something had been yanked up in a trap with a bunch of leaves, rather than a large footstep or whatever from the creature. It made me think that might be what happened to Shannon at first when she was shown going up in the air.

Well, I thought it was another great episode...

Right after the scene where Boone and Shannon are talking in the jungle, and then get chased by the 'thing'... I backed it up, and played back the scene in slo-mo right where the 'thing' shows up... You can see a tree in the background, and suddenly it gets ripped upwards out of the ground... it is very much like the tree itself is what was chasing them... weird. But then, of course we find out that Boone was 'hallucinating' anyways... But it made me think, all of the scenes with this 'thing/monster' give an illusion of height/strength... all of which would fit if the tree were alive. Kind of like the Ents! (LOTR)

Someone mentioned earlier that the scene where Sawyer crosses paths with Boone in the Police station.. and speculated that maybe Sawyer was connected with Jack's dad's death in a bar brawl or something... that is a very interesting thought... kind of helps the theory that all of these characters are connected in some way... we seem to get this idea more and more.

Originally posted by dm145
Last night may be the last time I watch. The whole Shannon thing ruined the show for me. Now you can not trust watch you see or have seen. The show could become a complete farse.

Not so for me. My wife and I are more intrigued then ever. This is the only show currently on TV that we really look forwad to watching and can not miss. It keeps getting better.

Originally posted by dm145
Last night may be the last time I watch. The whole Shannon thing ruined the show for me. Now you can not trust watch you see or have seen. The show could become a complete farse.

That's one point I forgot to mention in my earlier post. How are we suppose to know that what we're watching is real now?

For those of you who would defend this as part of the show's mystery I refer you to the infamous "Dallas" season-in-a-dream fiasco? From what I recall a lot of people were upset about that. I hope Lost doesn't go down that road!

How many red states did ABC lose with the Shanon and Boone back-story?

There are a lot of interesting thoughs going on here. I wonder if any ABC eyes are watching us?

Originally posted by labmansid
Did anyone else notice when Boone and Shannon were walking through the jungle after their initial escape from the creature, and before it grabbed her, it came up behind them and made that shreiking noise and there was the blur of motion behind them, presumably from the creature? I thought at first it looked strange, so I rewound and watched in slo-mo, and the blur looked like something had been yanked up in a trap with a bunch of leaves, rather than a large footstep or whatever from the creature. It made me think that might be what happened to Shannon at first when she was shown going up in the air. Actually, I had that same impression. It reminded me of what happened to Sayid when he was captured by Danielle.

Oh, forgot another interesting thing...

When Boone and Locke first are back at the 'Hatch' and they are talking about why they are there, etc... Locke is already mixing up his 'potion'.. When Boone asked him about it Locke replied, "It's for later". Locke was planning that whole thing from the beginning!

Now the question is, was that goo part of what triggered the hallucinations? or was it really a wound dressing that Locke knew he was going to need after bashing Boone in the head....

Major audio dropouts in Maryland (PG county) last night.

Originally posted by fhall1
I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the "People's Choice" awards either....

I agree about the questionable picks. To me People's Choice is more of a popularity contest, hence my reference to it as a barometer of Lost's low/declining popularity among mainstream viewers (present company excluded of course).

Originally posted by nessus
Actually, I had that same impression. It reminded me of what happened to Sayid when he was captured by Danielle.
Yes, but if you can, look at the scene again... you can actually see a tree getting ripped out of the ground, roots and all.
My impression was that it was like the tree was the monster... it lifted it's foot, which visually looked like a tree getting uprooted.
Either that, or the creature uprooted a tree.... Remember in the 'Pilot' episode when the creature first made its appearance? All you can see are trees shaking in the forest...

Originally posted by Dynot
That's one point I forgot to mention in my earlier post. How are we suppose to know that what we're watching is real now?

For those of you who would defend this as part of the show's mystery I refer you to the infamous "Dallas" season-in-a-dream fiasco? From what I recall a lot of people were upset about that. I hope Lost doesn't go down that road! Unfortunately I'm old enough to remember when "Bobby" emerged from the shower!:eek: But your premise makes sense... There has to be some measure of "consistency" applied in order for us to accept all the extraordinary events that occur on Lost.

Originally posted by Crazy MB
Not so for me. My wife and I are more intrigued then ever. This is the only show currently on TV that we really look forwad to watching and can not miss. It keeps getting better.

Agreed. This show is damn good.

Too bad I missed it. The audio was really messed up. After five mintues and even fast forwarding it never changed. Hopefully they'll show the episode again soon.

My guess is that Locke was mashing the goo earlier because he knew he would be knocking out Boone. He knew how to open the hatch all along and was waiting for Boone to be ready. That's where he was leading him at the end of the episode.

Originally posted by Crazy MB
...It keeps getting better.

How so????

Each episode uses the same format: reveal some character background in a flashback, mix in some mystery (careful not to resolve anything!), throw in some action at the end to get viewers back next week.

Same rehash every week....starting to become monotonous. But I'll hang in there as long as there's a chance we'll see another undie shot!:D

Originally posted by Dynot
Each episode uses the same format.....

Same rehash every week....starting to become monotonous. But I'll hang in there as long as there's a chance we'll see another undie shot!:D
So, the format for this show works! The producers need something to keep their viewers coming back.... for you, it's the possibility of revealing shots of Kate or Shannon... for me it's the same, but I am also enjoying the story and don't feel it is monotonous at all.


Also, wasn't last nights episode the last one from the original 12 episode order for the series?

The People's Choice awards mean nothing.... THe same people that vote on those are the same people that will vote Ashlee Simpson best vocalist of the year and Ken Griffey Jr to the All-Star game even though he won't have played a single game cuz of injuries....

About the monster, what if the hatch that Locke and Boone were at was the monster itself? It did look to me as if something big leapt out of the ground and started going after them... WHat if it hibernates or whatever underground, and the hatch is the opening to the top of it?

The other thing I thought was that one of the characters might be the monster, someone who always seems to not be around when the monster appears. Just throwin' things out....

ALso, I bet the paste Locke put on Boone was both something to protect his wound, and also a hallucinogen that obviously would go to work much quicker since there was an open wound that the toxin could move easily into his bloodstream through.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
.... for you, it's the possibility of revealing shots of Kate or Shannon...

That and the possibility that some loose ends will be tied up. It may work from week to week but it won't be enough to get me back for the second season.

Originally posted by tbb1226
Interesting cameo appearance by Sawyer in the "Boone and Shannon" history. I wonder when we find out how they ended up crossing paths in a big city like Sydney, before winding up on the same doomed flight?

And why hasn't there been any indication that Boone recognizes Sawyer? You'd think with all the flailing around in the police station that the guy would be pretty memorable...unless Boone was just so crazed by his feelings for Shannon.

He was preoccupied at the police station. He probably didn't get a good look at him. Besides, Sawyer's hair was in front of his face. I doubt if I were in his position I would have made the connection.

Originally posted by snowcat
Now I am starting to wonder if the pilot was real or not in the "pilot" episode. There is some force on the island that both Locke and Boone have encountered, and it doesn't appear to really kill anyone. It can read your mind and make you believe something that isn't really happening.
...


For Boone, was it the island itself or the goo that Locke put on his head? I figured that poultice Locke made up had some kind of hallucinogenic property...that he was sending Boone on a bit of a "vision quest."

Originally posted by fhall1
What...no comments about the episode going 2 minutes longer than usual (until 9:03 EDT)? Does everyone "pad" their DVR settings by 5 minutes now?

I would be mad if I hadn't set the Tivo to record Alias right after it, so I didn't lose any content...but ABC really needs to stop this practice.

And if the goo was part hallucinogenic - which invoked Boones visions...
And if the 'creature is part of these visions...
And if the scene in the beginning (with the Pilot) is another vision that was not real...

There was no goo applied to Charlie, Jack or Kate to invoke any visions during the 'Pilot scene'

There is something else at work here...

Originally posted by htevolution
For Boone, was it the island itself or the goo that Locke put on his head? I figured that poultice Locke made up had some kind of hallucinogenic property...that he was sending Boone on a bit of "vision quest."
I was thinking about that, too. If Boone was hallucinating, then he didn't actually come face to face with the creature/island the way Locke did.

That is interesting because the comcast DVR allowed for the extra 2 minutes on both sides of the show when I selected to record Alias .

BTW

The PCA are about how strong your internet base is. You get some fans who have nothing better than hit those polls all day long for weeks on end..

Originally posted by Barrybud
That is interesting because the comcast DVR allowed for the extra 2 minutes on both sides of the show when I selected to record Alias .

BTW

The PCA are about how strong your internet base is. You get some fans who have nothing better than hit those polls all day long for weeks on end.. TW's Program Guide had Lost scheduled from 8 - 9:03 PM last night.

Originally posted by petergaryr
I would be mad if I hadn't set the Tivo to record Alias right after it, so I didn't lose any content...but ABC really needs to stop this practice. What's with all the timing comments, or am I confused? On a TiVo, anyway, it follows the guide. I've never lost a minute. Now, if you have *two* shows on *different* networks as Season Passes, then, yeah there could be a conflict that would not get the later one. But one show changing shouldn't be an issue. (If you record based on time, well, that's another story.)

But, from what I know, TiVo's SPs always follow the guide. Mine said 8:00-9:03, also; interesting how all of that extra time seemed filled with ABC promos; wonder if they lost (!) a sponsor or something....

Originally posted by maximum360
Major audio dropouts in Maryland (PG county) last night. If you were watching WJLA in Washington, they were tuning the new DD decoder. Several of us in the local Wash/Balt HD thread were conversing with the station engineer telling him how things were.

If you were watching Baltimore, I've not a clue! (I recorded it in SD since the audio/video were messing up here.)

Yeah, really interesting ep. I need to watch both my SD and HD recordings to actually take in what happened.

I find myself never deleting Lost until the week after since there are always so many comments about did you see/hear this or that! :D

Originally posted by leesweet
If you were watching WJLA in Washington, they were tuning the new DD decoder. Several of us in the local Wash/Balt HD thread were conversing with the station engineer telling him how things were.

If you were watching Baltimore, I've not a clue! (I recorded it in SD since the audio/video were messing up here.)

Yeah, really interesting ep. I need to watch both my SD and HD recordings to actually take in what happened.

I find myself never deleting Lost until the week after since there are always so many comments about did you see/hear this or that! :D I've experienced watching more than (1) Lost episode with a poor HD audio/video delivery from my local cable provider: TW. I'm happy to report last evening's episode was shown in HD trouble free. This is all a part of what it's like to be on the "bleeding edge" of any new technology. Broadcasters will probably get it right about 10 years from now... doesn't anyone remember Windows 3.11 or NT 3.51... blue use to be one of my favorite colors!:D

My theory is that the whole series will turn out to be a dream by Locke. Remember that he is really a parapeligic and now suddenly he can walk. I think that he has really gone into a coma in his office cube and all this is in his drug-induced imagination.
But if they want this to go on for multiple seasons we may never get to know what the writers are thinking now, all could change in season 10. Just imagine the writers conference "how will we tie up these lose ends?" "Who cares, I'll be retired in 2022".

BTW I believe the dream sequence in Dallas was a device to bring Bobby back in after they had killed him off and ratings dropped. I remember it well.

Originally posted by nessus
doesn't anyone remember Windows 3.11 or NT 3.51... blue use to be one of my favorite colors!:D
Heh... I personally liked the 'orange' text only displays....

Originally posted by Andrew_J_M
My theory is that the whole series will turn out to be a dream by Locke. Remember that he is really a parapeligic and now suddenly he can walk. I think that he has really gone into a coma in his office cube and all this is in his drug-induced imagination.
But if they want this to go on for multiple seasons we may never get to know what the writers are thinking now, all could change in season 10. Just imagine the writers conference "how will we tie up these lose ends?" "Who cares, I'll be retired in 2022".

BTW I believe the dream sequence in Dallas was a device to bring Bobby back in after they had killed him off and ratings dropped. I remember it well. Yup, if they can't dazzle us with brilliance... they will just baffle us with ********...

Wasn't Donne & Marie on then??? I remember... Donnie & Marie, then Dallas, then off to the Disco... boy is my :eek: red!

Dallas "jumped the shark" with the "resurrection" of Bobby. IMHO

If people are hallucinating about the "creature", then they all are because they all saw the trees swaying about with its early appearance.

Did anyone notice how the "monster" seemed to rise from ground in the background behind Boone? It was only visible for a split second.

Paul

My theory is that the whole series will turn out to be a dream by Locke.
Pretty vivid dream, what with dreaming up his characters' back-stories and all...Heck, his characters even do things when he's not around...

My theory is that this place is like purgatory... I know, kind of silly. But I just don't think they are all still alive. *shrug*

As for the previews, notice again that Walt is getting attacked by another polar bear. So more evidence that they are creating things out of their own imagination.

Originally posted by Paul Bigelow
Dallas "jumped the shark" with the "resurrection" of Bobby.


Which begs the question "Did LOST jump the shark" with last night's Shannon twist?

Originally posted by Paul Bigelow

Did anyone notice how the "monster" seemed to rise from ground in the background behind Boone? It was only visible for a split second.

Paul

Actually, what everyone is seeing are 2 trees getting ripped out of the ground.

Originally posted by Dynot
Which begs the question "Did LOST jump the shark" with last night's Shannon twist? Which in addition begs this question: Beside the "hottness" factor, what does Sayid see in Shannon? Not that there are a lot of women to choose from since Kate is already on Jack and Sawyer's "short list!"

After last nights show here is my theory :

They are all dead and in some kind of purgatory. The French woman is either the leader of purgatory (the devil or an angel) and the infected ones are in fact people who have seen the light/darkness and gone on to a "better" place or "worse" place.

Or my second theory is that she is the "Locke person" of a previous "lost" purgatory bunch and maybe cannot get out of purgatory herself after leading her people to their final destination.

They (the good ones or bad ones) kidnap the pregnant woman because she and/or her baby should not be there. If you remember she has a dream that the people in the forest are trying to steal her baby. I think they are just trying to get the baby out of there because it does not belong in purgatory.

I think Locke has been given the task of trying to guide these people on their way to their final destination good or bad since he saw the beast in episode 2 or 3. If you think about it, I think he knows that he is dead because he is always looking out at the scenery and appreciating it.

I believe this show is the battle between good and evil for the souls in purgatory.

What does the polar bear have to do with everything?

Originally posted by Andrew_J_M
My theory is that the whole series will turn out to be a dream by Locke. Remember that he is really a parapeligic and now suddenly he can walk. I think that he has really gone into a coma in his office cube and all this is in his drug-induced imagination.


If we were only privvy to what was going on on the island and Locke's own backstory, I would find this a plausible theory. But when you bring in so many other characters with such divergent backstories (however they may become intertwined in future eps.), it's hard to fathom how Locke could have so many experiences in his own past to dredge them up for his drug stupor and thread them into his island "adventure". YMMV.;)

Bob

Originally posted by Andrew_J_M
Remember that he is really a parapeligic and now suddenly he can walk.

altho-you don't know why he is in a wheelchair== he may have MS which is a very variable disease- in which you may been a chair at one time and other times not. but it is a big jump to from being in the chair to having these super survivor abilities!

What does the polar bear have to do with everything?
Ahhh...if we had the answer to that, all the other pieces of the Lost puzzle would fall into place...

A clue, however: Polar bears look white on the outside, but under their fur, their skin is black.

And, judging from the preview for next week, there's more than one of them...

—Dan

Originally posted by mx6bfast
What does the polar bear have to do with everything?

Walt was reading a comic book in part 2 of the Pilot episode. On one of the pages there was a polar bear. So either the island creates circumstances based on their thoughts or Walt has some "power" himself. There is a Twilight Zone episode that has a similar premise, where a child could control reality with his thoughts.

When asked why he doesn't show the other the hatch, Locke says they are not ready. They are not ready to pass through to their final destination and Locke has determined that he is first.

Originally posted by nessus
It seems to me the series "Lost" has gone into a pattern where there are an endless stream of questions raised without providing any answers... this can go on for awhile but after 13 episodes it would make sense to start "connecting some of the dots..."

This is the same pattern that worked for The X-Files for most of its run. It would be nice to have some answers on Lost but the show has me hooked. Still something's gotta make some real sense by the season's end or they'll lose a lot of viewers heading into season two.

The purgatory theory is a good one. Remembering back to Locke predicting that it would rain in the next minute. He's figured out that he can make things happen just by imagining them here. Thus, he can walk, he figured out how to kill a boar, he can navigate without a compass, etc. And - he will find a way to open the hatch just by sitting and staring at it - just like he said he would. Perhaps it will just happen now that Boone is ready to let go also.

Originally posted by Dynot
Which begs the question "Did LOST jump the shark" with last night's Shannon twist?
I'm not ready to say it jumped the shark yet, but it certainly strapped on some skis and donned a leather jacket, IMO.:D

Aside from my purgatory theory, the only other thing I have to operate on is multiple personality disorder. Think the movie "Identity" but on an even larger scale. I like Purgatory better though.

nobody mentioned about the compass pointing in the wrong direction. Does Locke have enough influence to have the compass point in the opposite direction of what it should ? I'm digging the purgatory theory...

If one is at the North Pole *on this planet* the compass would point in the "wrong" direction.

Paul

yeah but if they were at a pole (either one) I think they'd notice the irregularly long days or nights.

But it might explain the polar bears.

I was surprised that Sayed didn't check the compass Locke gave him against his Webelo compass. It's one thing to think Locke gave him a faulty compass, and yet another to say that the magnetic influence of the island is wacky.

I think it's off because of a large metallic something either near the island or part of it.

Then again, I thought Kate was an eco-terrorist on the run, so feel free to ignore my rablings :D

A large mass of metal buried in the ground will also cause a compass to read incorrectly.

Oops, that was just said as I was responding!

Ok, so back to the "cable". Many said it wasn't a power cable, but maybe an anchor cable...to keep the fake island from drifting?????

I would think that cable isn't big enough to anchor an island. But it could power a huge elecromagnet and *that* would throw the compass off.

Paul

Originally posted by danco
Polar bears look white on the outside, but under their fur, their skin is black.
Interesting, learn something new everyday.... :)

Originally posted by arock
....Remembering back to Locke predicting that it would rain in the next minute. He's figured out that he can make things happen just by imagining them here. Thus, he can walk, he figured out how to kill a boar, he can navigate without a compass, etc. And - he will find a way to open the hatch just by sitting and staring at it - just like he said he would. Perhaps it will just happen now that Boone is ready to let go also.
Yes, this all starts to make some sense... although wihthout knowing why any of this could happen.

My wife likes the purgatory theory too... I'm not convinced yet.
I think there is much more going on here that we have yet to learn.

reganfan, interesting theory

Originally posted by danco
Ahhh...if we had the answer to that, all the other pieces of the Lost puzzle would fall into place...

A clue, however: Polar bears look white on the outside, but under their fur, their skin is black.

And, judging from the preview for next week, there's more than one of them...

—Dan

Remember the French Woman when they heard the animal noises....she said "maybe it's one of the bears.....dinner" :-)

The bears were likely there before they crashed?

i've tried twice to watch lost on ABC HD (west coast) since D* added it to their line-up. both times the video seemed to break apart and be unwatchable. in addition, the voice was about a second off from their lips. ugh, very disappointing as this is the only show i even watch on ABC other than sports. all of my other HD stations seem fine, and even ABC HD seemed fined the other times i tuned into it....i.e. bowl games. anyone else having hd difficulties with Lost?

Also, Rousseau said there was no such thing as monsters. If Walt is dreaming them up, then there weren't any monsters until he came along.

Xesdeeni

Originally posted by Andrew_J_M
My theory is that the whole series will turn out to be a dream by Locke.

If that turns out to be correct, I will personally find JJ Abrams and b*tch slap him. :p

I think the whole hallucination deal was a one-time event, not a you-can't-believe-anything-they-show thing. It just moved Boone and Locke to the next point in the story.

A request. I avoid the previews at the end of the show because they are spoilers for next week's show. I know I'm going to get blasted by someone, but, could people please put discussions about the previews into spoiler format? Pretty please? Thanking you in advance for not hurling heavy objects at me for this request. :D

Originally posted by joeracerx
If that's turns out to be correct, I will personally find JJ Abrams and b*tch slap him. :p

I think the whole hallucination deal was a one-time event, not a you-can't-believe-anything-they-show thing. It just moved Boone and Locke to the next point in the story.



I'm sure they will do things to make us think that, then turn it around.

One word of warning however, they need to avoiding 'rebooting' the show when one storyline goes stale. That is really killing Alias for me. I've watched the show for three years and they have basically returned to year one...and added a sister. yipee. I feel like the time I invested was for naught, not a good feeling.

Lets hope they avoid that with LOST!

Originally posted by Iteki
I'm sure they will do things to make us think that, then turn it around.

One word of warning however, they need to avoiding 'rebooting' the show when one storyline goes stale. That is really killing Alias for me. I've watched the show for three years and they have basically returned to year one...and added a sister. yipee. I feel like the time I invested was for naught, not a good feeling.

Lets hope they avoid that with LOST!

I hope they do as well, Alias is tanking fast for me...

I agree kind of. We are in the forth year of Alias & we are farther away from finding anything out about Rombaldi(spelling?) than we ever have been. It's not about Rombaldi any more really. It has no direction any more.

I'm confused about something in last night's episode, and I'm hoping someone can clear it up.

I don't have it taped, and I don't have a DVR (for shame!), so I can't go back and look at this.... Is Boone hallucinating his "romance" with Shannon, or was that back story that really happened? I can't remember if that backstory started before he was hit over the head by Locke or afterwards.

Thanks!

That was part of the Boone/Shannon backstory... it really happened.
Good thing they are not blood related, or the PTC would be all over that one!! :)

Yeah, but she's pretty darn cute so I think it might be ok. ;)

Originally posted by JayDog_2
That was part of the Boone/Shannon backstory... it really happened.
Good thing they are not blood related, or the PTC would be all over that one!! :)
I'm sure thats why the police guy said..."no blood relation" twice. ;)

Originally posted by Dynot
Which begs the question "Did LOST jump the shark" with last night's Shannon twist?

No, that was no shark jump. It was a nice shocking twist.

The shark jump will come when Ultraman comes to the island to fight the monster!. Hey, maybe he is already there? ? ?