Originally posted by htevolution
I agree. It's been awhile, but there have been several instances of strange things involving Walt.

1. The polar bear (like the one in the comic he was reading)
2. His "luck" at backgammon
3. The fact that his dog survived the crash unscathed despite being in the cargo hold (presumably).

We may see that there's some sort of special connection between the island or the Others and children.

And don't forget in one of the early episodes when his father said "I'll go look for the dog as soon as the rain stops". Then all of a sudden the pouring rain suddenly stops and the sun comes out.

Obviously he has some control over the island.

Originally posted by madpoet
Aside from my purgatory theory, the only other thing I have to operate on is multiple personality disorder. Think the movie "Identity" but on an even larger scale. I like Purgatory better though.

That's exactly what I was thinking as well.

Okay, that just reminded me of something...

early on Walt and Locke are talking... Locke tells Walt a 'secret' which none of us know....
Being reminded of the rain situation by the previous poster makes me think the secret has something to do with Locke's knowledge of how one can imagine something and have it happen... there have been several instances where this happens, and have been mentioned already.
So that's 3 of the survivors that have some connection with the island so far. First Locke, then Walt, and now Boone.

Originally posted by joeracerx
I avoid the previews at the end of the show because they are spoilers for next week's show.

I do that too!

Did anyone find significance when Locke was talking to Jack on the beach and mentioned "Man, the most dangerous predator of them all?"

Originally posted by joeracerx
A request. I avoid the previews at the end of the show because they are spoilers for next week's show. I know I'm going to get blasted by someone, but, could people please put discussions about the previews into spoiler format? Pretty please? Thanking you in advance for not hurling heavy objects at me for this request. :D

I second that, but will live with it if it's too much trouble for the other members to use the "/spoiler" tag

Like, polar bearS? :D

Originally posted by nessus
TW's Program Guide had Lost scheduled from 8 - 9:03 PM last night.

Yeah, last night's TW program guide did show it ending at 9:03, however, when I programmed my DVR (sometime last week), it only went to 9:01...and it wasn't "smart" enough to update itself with the new guide times...just luckily I had switched over at 9:01 to catch the beginning of Alias...imagine my surprise to be watching the last 2 minutes of Lost before having seen the first 61 minutes.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
...Being reminded of the rain situation by the previous poster makes me think the secret has something to do with Locke's knowledge of how one can imagine something and have it happen...


ooh! like Charley and the guitar!

but he's going to be miffed when his strings start to go. :( Plus being out in the open like that has got to be killing the soundboard in the guitar.

Is it me or is Hurley the most believable character? (except for the fact that he hasn't been eating right and has the runs big time but still isn't dropping weight). I mean the time on the beach asking Jun if he can speak English "your wife is hot" - classic.

Everybody else has to have these deep conversations that don't really tell the other person anything...then along comes Hurley saying "C'mon man, pee on my foot"

Originally posted by Buji
ooh! like Charley and the guitar!
Yeah! I forgot about that one too! I'm sure there are others....

Instead of using the VCR+ guide in my Sony DVD recorder, I manually set it to record "Lost" for one hour, hoping it wouldn't run over again. But it did. Luckily, members of this Forum describe the last 2 or 3 minutes of the program. Do you suppose ABC can't fit "Lost" into one hour because they have so many damn commercials and promotions?

Hurley is my favorite character, and I hope this is a launchpad for this actor's career.

soemthing i'm not clear on.

did Locke hit Boone over the head just so he could apply the paste and give him a vision? ouch! couldn't he just slip something in his water bottle?

or did boone hallucinate the hit over the head too?

My Favorite Hurley line was when he was asked about the whereabouts of Locke and he replied: "He's in the jungle killin' stuff". Funny.

Paul

I was in the middle of something today when something from last nights episode hit me on the head - figuratively speaking! Did Locke actually tie Boone up? Or was everything after the hit on the head a hallucination? The only thing that doesn't really fit would be the knife, though that's not a huge deal - Locke could have left it or Boone could have already had it. Did we see Locke carrying rope when they went back into the forest? It might also explain the hallucination itself. Was Locke unconscious we he first "looked into the eye of the island"?

Not a huge difference either way. But it would explain things a little better. How did Locke know that what the "drug" would show boone anything of significance? Was Locke drugged when he had his experience?

If man is the most dangerous animal, he just might be on this island that apparently grants wishes. Maybe someone wishes them all dead.

Paul

Originally posted by petergaryr
I would be mad if I hadn't set the Tivo to record Alias right after it, so I didn't lose any content...but ABC really needs to stop this practice. ABC's not the only one guilty of this. ER almost always starts at 9:59 these days. It screws up DVRs and I think it's on purpose. I just stay on the look-out for it and lop off the first minute of ER when necessary by setting a manual recording for it.

It even screws up dual-tuner satellite or cable DVRs programmed from a grid. Though the grid knows that Lost ends at 9:03 and will get it, if you've scheduled an automatic recording of two other things on other channels at 9:00, only the highest-priority one will get recorded, because they both overlap the progam ending at 9:03 and you'd need 3 tuners to get them all. What's needed is a "start when overlapping program completes" option, which'd automatically record all three, starting the lower priority 9:00 PM program at 9:03. ;) (I manually scheduled CSI: NY that way last night).

I keep thinking about something Locke said.

I might not have the exact context, but I thought it was when Locke and Boone are talking about Shannon being suspicious and Boone wanting to tell her about the hatch. I don't recall the whole conversation, but Locke at some point says something like 'because we are going to need her on our side'. Is that what he said?

On our side? Against whom?

Seems to imply a division of the survivors, some on Locke's side and others against him.

Who are the others. He also said 'they're not ready yet'. Is it those that are ready vs those that don't yet understand.

Those that have come to understand the Island, have had the vision, that are 'believers' vs the non-believers?

Is it Good vs Evil. If so, which side is good?

My perception has been than Locke knows the secret, is enlightened, and is the good guy. But things are not always as they seem.

Originally posted by Bullfrog
I keep thinking about something Locke said.

I might not have the exact context, but I thought it was when Locke and Boone are talking about Shannon being suspicious and Boone wanting to tell her about the hatch. I don't recall the whole conversation, but Locke at some point says something like 'because we are going to need her on our side'. Is that what he said?

On our side? Against whom?

Seems to imply a division of the survivors, some on Locke's side and others against him.

Who are the others. He also said 'they're not ready yet'. Is it those that are ready vs those that don't yet understand.

Those that have come to understand the Island, have had the vision, that are 'believers' vs the non-believers?

Is it Good vs Evil. If so, which side is good?

My perception has been than Locke knows the secret, is enlightened, and is the good guy. But things are not always as they seem.

He said that Boone shouldn't alienate Sayid...he was a resourceful, strong man, and they would need him on their side (whatever side that might be, and why picking a side might be necessary we don't know).

Regarding the compass, who else noticed that after he rubbed the pin with the magnet, he left the big hurking magnet on the map, that would severely influence that tiny needle. He still had the magnet on the map when he placed the compass on it. I know as a backpacker that even the metal in my belt can affect the reading of my compass, and Sayid is a trained special forces person?

Originally posted by Paul Bigelow
If one is at the North Pole *on this planet* the compass would point in the "wrong" direction.

Paul

Could the writers be using the "inner earth accessable through the North Pole" theory as fodder for the series?

From http://www.ufoarea.com/hollow_earth_forster2.html :

A Place of Perpetual Spring near The Pole?

Despite the original report by the Greek, Pytheas, around 300 BC, that he had reached a sea of ice just one day north of Thule - which he evidently thought was, in fact, Iceland - he was disbelieved, and the myth still persisted that a warm polar sea existed around the Pole, with a very clement and temperate land environment surrounding it. Even Columbus believed it, and he sailed 300 miles north beyond Iceland before reaching ice-bound waters. Most of his critics discredited this feat, as they firmly believed the northern Atlantic to be quite impassable. (However, it was Columbus? feat which caused later explorers to search those northerly Arctic oceans for the legendary North West Passage into the Pacific!) However, I am digressing!

And from http://www.alienshift.com/id52.html :

The crux of the hollow earth theory is that the earth is a shell with walls about 800 miles thick. In the polar regions there are holes 1400 miles across, with edges that curve smoothly from the outside of the shell around to the inside. A sea or surface traveler could proceed over an edge of the hole, like an ant crawling over the lip of a coffee mug from the outside to the inside, and not be aware that he was actually entering the interior of the earth. Bernard explains that the holes have never been seen from the air because pilots are fooled by their compasses into believing that they are crossing the pole, when they are actually following the hole's "magnetic rim". Thus aircraft never really fly over the geographic poles, which naturally mark the centers of the holes themselves. As irrefutable proof of his claim, he cites Admiral Byrd's statement, "I'd like to see that land beyond the Pole. That area beyond the Pole is the Great Unknown."

With the way locke is acting and his comment about man being the worst preditor ect... i believe he either is not actually locke anymore or maybe was altered in some way. We saw him encounter the beast and then it cut away. Maybe the island beast has mental powers that can make people see things such as a Locke who isnt really locke or the sister that isnt really dead. This would also explain the dead father walking around and the polar bears. This Virus that infects people maybe is some kind of alien virus or such like the black goo stuff in x files that take over peoples bodies or alters them. I really don't think they will all end up being in purgatory or in a dream. I think they are in a very real place, just a man made or alien made place.

As far as peoples stories being tied together didn't we also see the doctor guy in line at the airport right in front of the asian couple? I bet if we look back we could see more ties then just those two as well.. can anyone think of any others?

...Hurley...hasn't been eating right and has the runs big time but still isn't dropping weight)...

And Jack's beard doesn't grow, either.

Originally posted by Buji
Hurley is my favorite character, and I hope this is a launchpad for this actor's career.

Plus it's nice to see someone who isn't a pretty-boy mannequin model type in a TV show once in awhile.

Can't believe I've read over 3,000 posts on this thread!

early on Walt and Locke are talking... Locke tells Walt a 'secret' which none of us know....
Being reminded of the rain situation by the previous poster makes me think the secret has something to do with Locke's knowledge of how one can imagine something and have it happen... there have been several instances where this happens, and have been mentioned already.
So that's 3 of the survivors that have some connection with the island so far. First Locke, then Walt, and now Boone.

I don't remember if it's been posted in this long thread but also don't discount what Kate was saying when she realized the Korean woman could understand her.

She had said something about "be careful what you wish for because you just might get it" and then (what's her name? too pretty for me to forget) looked up at her with a sudden look of shocked or intense interest.

- Tom

A thought about the compass theory; Sayid had Jack approximate where he thought North was, and of course Jack used West (sunset) as a reference point and assumed North would be exactly 90degrees away. The only problem is, (aside from the fact that unless it was close to sunset already, it was only a crude approximation) even if Jack's knowledge of where the actual point of sunset is was dead on, the sun only rises or sets due East or West (respectively) at the Equator twice a year, at the Spring and Fall Equinoxes . At other times, most notably in Winter and Summer, the sunset could be as much as 23degrees off from due West at the Equator, even more the farther away North or South you are. So depending on what time of year this all takes place (and, of course, how close to the Equator they are), Locke's compass isn't necessarily defective since it was showing only a roughly 20degree departure from where they assumed North would be. So, does anyone have any idea in what month the show takes place?
More info on this can be seen here (http://www.polaris.iastate.edu/EveningStar/Unit1/unit1_sub1.htm).

Originally posted by trbarry
I don't remember if it's been posted in this long thread but also don't discount what Kate was saying when she realized the Korean woman could understand her.

She had said something about "be careful what you wish for because you just might get it" and then (what's her name? too pretty for me to forget) looked up at her with a sudden look of shocked or intense interest.

- Tom

Her name is Sun...and yeah, she's got that something special...hope we get to actually hear her speak English more often.

Ok, I may be a little naive here, but has anyone considered the possibility that there's nothing magical or metaphorical about the island? Maybe Locke is just a crazy old man. I'm still holding out hope that this will be the case, because the more mysterious and magical the show becomes, the less I like it.

I also discovered something about J.J. Abrams' shows. If you think a recurring character is dead, then either:
1) It's a dream sequence, and the character is fine
or
2) The character isn't really dead

The guy just can't kill off anybody. Pisses me off....

Lee

As far as peoples stories being tied together didn't we also see the doctor guy in line at the airport right in front of the asian couple? I bet if we look back we could see more ties then just those two as well.. can anyone think of any others?
When Boone was in Australia and went to the Police to report his sister being beaten, the police were dragging in Sawyer.

FWIW, ER has been programmed at 9:59 for years on NBC....

Originally posted by Dynot
OK, I guess I'm in the minority here.

Once again, disappointed in last night's episode. Since the first few episodes the pace has slowed down to a soap-opera crawl. I doubt the little bits of crumbs the show throws at us each week will sustain the audience. By little bits of crumbs I mean the occasional action sequence and character background revelation.

Is this show going to last? Consider the following:

1. I didn't watch the entire People's Choice Awards but I believe Lost didn't pick up one award. Significant considering this is a statement coming directly from the viewing public.

2. Interesting stats about this thread: the thread was started on 9/22. Number of posts per month has declined as follows:1,132 - 828 - 620 - 360. The last number represents 2 weeks from 12/22 to yesterday but you get the point.

3. Season ratings: #12 as of today. Don't know what the trend is but I know it started out in the top 10. Last week's #7 showing was probably due to its anticipated return from the holiday hiatus.

I don't mean to offend anyone or start any flame wars. My point is what would you do to improve this show. I for one would like to see it move a little quicker in terms of character development. More gratuitous undie shots of Kate & Shannon a la Jennifer Gardner in Alias :D would certainly be welcomed (but not necessary to the survival of the show). And while we're at it, they should make more effective use of 5.1, especially the LFE for us HT types. Anyone see Alias after last night's show? THAT'S how you do 5.1!

I hope I'm wrong but at this rate I predict the show will bite the dust early in it's second season. In today's fast-paced, 500-channel world too many viewers will lose interest waiting for a story to slowly and painstakenly unfold.:(

1) No clue, didn't see it.

2) They were in repeats. Do you really think you are going to get a ton of posts when nothing's happened for 3-4 weeks?

3) A show like this isn't goin gto be #1. It's just too out there and so much character development that people feel intimidated to jump in. It's not a mindless CSI where every show is essentially the same just a new way of presenting a crime scene. So anyone can jump right in.

I don't remember anything being well inside the top 20 in trouble for cancellation.

As far as peoples stories being tied together didn't we also see the doctor guy in line at the airport right in front of the asian couple? I bet if we look back we could see more ties then just those two as well.. can anyone think of any others?

Are you seriously stating that characters in line to get on a plane is considered a tie? Um, who on the plane wasn't in line at some point?

Hey, everybody that's tired of missing the last minutes or so of Lost, just pad your season pass. It's been happening since the first few episodes so it shouldn't take anyone by surprise at this point. I've had it with a two minute pad since the first episode and haven't missed a second. I don't know if you can do that with cable DVRs, but it's an easy solution for Tivo users.

From next week's previews, it looks like the kid is going to run into his comic book polar bear friend. Who knows if it will actually happen though. Maybe we'll get another Bobby Ewing-Boone dream sequence. I wasn't thrilled with that turn of events. Kill somebody already. That's two undead now. Do it a third time and it just starts to look silly.

Maybe Locke drugged Sayid's water before he took off and the whole Rousseau encounter was a hallucination

3) A show like this isn't goin gto be #1. It's just too out there and so much character development that people feel intimidated to jump in. It's not a mindless CSI where every show is essentially the same just a new way of presenting a crime scene. So anyone can jump right in.

Most of my favorite shows don't even make it through one season. But in my opinion LOST is THE new show of the year. Far more creative than most.

- Tom

The compass cannot read true north because they are not on earth, they are in pergatory.

The more I think about the show the more clues I find to support the pergatory theory. Locke says to Sayid that the map he is trying to decipher is nothing but ramblings as if he knows it will never lead to anything. I think the French woman was the "Locke" of a previous pergatory bunch and she messed up so her punishment is to stay in pergatory or she doesn't accept the fact that she is in pergatory.

The hatch. Lock says how do you open a hatch that has not handles or hinges and no decernable way in. Answer : The hatch will open when you are ready to pass through it or pass on through pergatory to your final destination.

I love this show but I don't know how this will be a season to season show without revealing some things while keeping everyone interested.

Does anyone remember the first time Locke and Boone were out in the forest and Locke said "it's going to start raining in a minute or so" and it did? Looks like he can control things on the island as well.

Originally posted by reaganfan88
The compass cannot read true north because they are not on earth, they are in pergatory.

The more I think about the show the more clues I find to support the pergatory theory. Locke says to Sayid that the map he is trying to decipher is nothing but ramblings as if he knows it will never lead to anything. I think the French woman was the "Locke" of a previous pergatory bunch and she messed up so her punishment is to stay in pergatory or she doesn't accept the fact that she is in pergatory.

The hatch. Lock says how do you open a hatch that has not handles or hinges and no decernable way in. Answer : The hatch will open when you are ready to pass through it or pass on through pergatory to your final destination.

I love this show but I don't know how this will be a season to season show without revealing some things while keeping everyone interested. Well if they are in pergatory why do the survivors still have the need to "eat, drink and be merry?":p My latest theory: is their destination was to some Club Med like all-inclusive resort; but the plane crashed and they arrived prematurely.:D

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Okay, that just reminded me of something...

early on Walt and Locke are talking... Locke tells Walt a 'secret' which none of us know....
Being reminded of the rain situation by the previous poster makes me think the secret has something to do with Locke's knowledge of how one can imagine something and have it happen... there have been several instances where this happens, and have been mentioned already.
So that's 3 of the survivors that have some connection with the island so far. First Locke, then Walt, and now Boone.

add a 4th - Jack seeing his father walking around on the island

They only think they need to eat drink and be merry. THey haven't accepted the fact that they are dead or don't know it yet.

Remember sixth sense....Willis just kept doing what he did before

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Okay, that just reminded me of something...

early on Walt and Locke are talking... Locke tells Walt a 'secret' which none of us know....
Being reminded of the rain situation by the previous poster makes me think the secret has something to do with Locke's knowledge of how one can imagine something and have it happen... there have been several instances where this happens, and have been mentioned already.
So that's 3 of the survivors that have some connection with the island so far. First Locke, then Walt, and now Boone. The "only" problem with this theory is: I'm sure by now they have all "imagined" themselves to be rescued... but no-one comes!:rolleyes:

If I'm Hurley... I'm thinking "Steak & Beer.":p

Originally posted by wmccullough
Does anyone remember the first time Locke and Boone were out in the forest and Locke said "it's going to start raining in a minute or so" and it did? Looks like he can control things on the island as well.

definitely, how do you think he is able to walk ? Most likely when he woke up after the plane crash on the island he probably wished he could walk, and did so. This is also how he's able to control the rain and Boone's dreams. I wouldn't doubt that he put the thoughts of the french woman into Sayid's head, but my theory about that is Sayid wanted to find someone else, so the island made him imagine the french woman.

Originally posted by wmccullough
Does anyone remember the first time Locke and Boone were out in the forest and Locke said "it's going to start raining in a minute or so" and it did?Yes. :)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4982801#post4982801

Once again, if they resort to a sci-fi or supernatural/religious explanation, it'll be a copout.

And if they resort to a Phenomenological explanation (like it's all in their heads or it's a hallucination), it'll be a copout as well.

There better be good rational explanations. No Stephen King BS either.

If the island grants wishes, how come Kate still wears clothes?

Originally posted by Andrew_J_M
If the island grants wishes, how come Kate still wears clothes?

I won't necessarily be disappointed if there is a sci-fi or supernatural explanation (as I enjoy both genres), I just don't want my investment of time to be a 'it was all a dream' sequence. I'm ok with the scene with Boone and his lover/step sister, but don't tell me EVERYTHING has been a dream, or I'll be upset lol

Originally posted by Andrew_J_M
If the island grants wishes, how come Kate still wears clothes? Because this is "your" wish and you're not there!:p

Originally posted by NorthJersey
definitely, how do you think he is able to walk ? Most likely when he woke up after the plane crash on the island he probably wished he could walk, and did so. This is also how he's able to control the rain and Boone's dreams. I wouldn't doubt that he put the thoughts of the french woman into Sayid's head, but my theory about that is Sayid wanted to find someone else, so the island made him imagine the french woman.
So is everyone else on the island imagining the maps he brought back with him?

Originally posted by wco81
Once again, if they resort to a sci-fi or supernatural/religious explanation, it'll be a copout.

And if they resort to a Phenomenological explanation (like it's all in their heads or it's a hallucination), it'll be a copout as well.

There better be good rational explanations. No Stephen King BS either. Well, you've ruled out pretty much every possibility with your vague and all-encompassing descriptions. Looks like you're going to be disappointed (again).

I can't figure out why people like you and Dynot continue to watch the show. You guys have been coming here for months telling us how lousy you think the show is, yet every new episode, you're the first to come back here and post more complaints and "warnings" to the show's writers.

If you think it's not a good show, watch something else and quitcher bitchin.

Originally posted by Marissadad
Regarding the compass, who else noticed that after he rubbed the pin with the magnet, he left the big hurking magnet on the map, that would severely influence that tiny needle. He still had the magnet on the map when he placed the compass on it. I know as a backpacker that even the metal in my belt can affect the reading of my compass, and Sayid is a trained special forces person?

No matter where they are on planet Earth the compass will have a declination error. For example if they are in the middle of The Sydney, Australia Zoo their compass would be off by 13 degrees east. If in Perth it would be off by 2 degrees west. it appeared to me that it was off by about 9 or 10 degrees west which would put them near the New Siberian Islands.

Originally posted by optivity
The "only" problem with this theory is: I'm sure by now they have all "imagined" themselves to be rescued... but no-one comes!:rolleyes:

If I'm Hurley... I'm thinking "Steak & Beer.":p
Okay... good point...

However, when Boone returns from the jungle all p.o'd and ready to kill Locke, and once Locke calms Boone down some and finds out what Boone saw... Locke said something like, "That's what it showed you?"

So there is some control factor that the island/creature/whatever has over the survivors...

The other interesting thing I just thought of in regard to the french woman, Rousseau... She had explained that she did not want the 'others' to leave the island because they were infected or something like that... It seems that the island/creature/whatever would have the same goal, but for different reasons.

It's spelled "purgatory."

And that's been done elsewhere, so I doubt that Abrams would be so obvious.

Originally posted by tbb1226
Well, you've ruled out pretty much every possibility with your vague and all-encompassing descriptions. Looks like you're going to be disappointed (again).

I can't figure out why people like you and Dynot continue to watch the show. You guys have been coming here for months telling us how lousy you think the show is, yet every new episode, you're the first to come back here and post more complaints and "warnings" to the show's writers.

If you think it's not a good show, watch something else and quitcher bitchin.

Last time I checked this was a free and open board...that's why I keep coming back. However, contrary to your claim that I think its a bad show its one of the few that I watch on a regular basis AND record at the same time so that I can go back and review certain scenes if necessary. And no, I don't post every week but I do like to read comments from other viewers and refer back to my recordings when something is brought up that I missed.

My last post listed certain facts about the show's popularity. Different interpretations of those facts are more than welcomed and so are suggestions on where people would like to see the storyline go. The whole point was to generate discussion.

I for one don't want to see this series deteriorate and die an early death. If the show's writers do see our comments, all the better.

Don't take negative comments about the show too personally - chill out, bro!:D

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Okay... good point...

However, when Boone returns from the jungle all p.o'd and ready to kill Locke, and once Locke calms Boone down some and finds out what Boone saw... Locke said something like, "That's what it showed you?"

So there is some control factor that the island/creature/whatever has over the survivors...

The other interesting thing I just thought of in regard to the french woman, Rousseau... She had explained that she did not want the 'others' to leave the island because they were infected or something like that... It seems that the island/creature/whatever would have the same goal, but for different reasons. I believe "we can all agree" there must be some measure of supernatural force or 'being' to cause the various phenomena the survivors of Lost are experiencing. I believe there are 'others' on the Island (e.g. Danielle & Ethan) who will be revealed and become more integral to the story as the series unfolds.

The thing I enjoy most about Lost is the writer's ability to 'surprise' me. Up until episode 13, my opinion regarding the 'goodness' of Locke's character had diminished. But from this episode, while we cannot condone his methods, we see what Locke did to Boone was indeed for Boone's benefit. Locke (did Walt?) seems to be the only survivor to come face-to-face with 'it.' And based upon that encounter seems to be endowed with supernatural powers or some kind of enhanced sense for things.

Like others along this thread have asserted, I hope the creative effort of the Producers continues and the series does not degenerate to some trite explanation for what is happening. No Star Trek like technical mumbo jumbo or a drawn-out plot that gets fully resolved during the last 2 minutes.

IMO opinion, Lost is clearly the best new TV series this year and I hope it continues to have a shelf-life like say... the X-Files. Given the fact that Panasonic added a direct link to the AVS Forum, I would not be surprised to find out the Producers of Lost check threads like these on a periodic basis, if just to see what kind of buzz was created after the show airs each Wednesday.

Originally posted by Dynot
Last time I checked this was a free and open board...that's why I keep coming back. However, contrary to your claim that I think its a bad show its one of the few that I watch on a regular basis AND record at the same time so that I can go back and review certain scenes if necessary. And no, I don't post every week but I do like to read comments from other viewers and refer back to my recordings when something is brought up that I missed.

My last post listed certain facts about the show's popularity. Different interpretations of those facts are more than welcomed and so are suggestions on where people would like to see the storyline go. The whole point was to generate discussion.

I for one don't want to see this series deteriorate and die an early death. If the show's writers do see our comments, all the better.

Don't take negative comments about the show too personally - chill out, bro!:D I certainly don't take your comments personally, as I have nothing to do with the creation of this show. Nor do I propose denying anyone's right to post comments, be they negative or positive. I do happen to disagree with your assessments and predictions, but I don't wish to prevent you posting them.

I was just stating my confusion as to motivation of the long-time complainers. IIRC, there are a select few frequent posters here who do nothing but complain about the format, or the plot, or the potential direction. It seems to me that by episode 13, these people would have come to the realization that they don't enjoy watching it, and stop. There's not enough free time in my life to spend it watching programs I don't enjoy. I assume (wrongly, perhaps?) that others have similar time constraints.

If you say you enjoy the show, I believe you. I just would not have guessed it from reading your comments in this thread.

Originally posted by wco81
Once again, if they resort to a sci-fi or supernatural/religious explanation, it'll be a copout.

And if they resort to a Phenomenological explanation (like it's all in their heads or it's a hallucination), it'll be a copout as well.

There better be good rational explanations. No Stephen King BS either.

A Little off-topic, but didn't the entire story of St. Elsewhere take place in the mind's eye of an autistic child?

Yup they threw that at the end.

But that was a hospital drama, a soap opera of sorts. It seemed more like an afterthought as a good way to end the series.

Reason why it wouldn't be good to do it with Lost is that 1) It's been done already (also with Dallas) and 2) they set up expectations and they may be planting hints now which we'll recognize later but with the action sequences, they are trying to portray this as hyper-realistic.

Originally posted by Buji
A Little off-topic, but didn't the entire story of St. Elsewhere take place in the mind's eye of an autistic child?

Yes, and at the time that was a clever surprise, though I believe it upset a number of people.

Contrast that to the ending of Newhart. Bob wakes up from a dream, but that was one of the best "surprise" endings IMHO of any series.

As for Lost, I agree with all who believe something "more than natural" is happening. For now, I am believing that the guy who got sucked into the engine, the pilot, and the surfer girl "really" died. All the others are "really" alive, but somehow miraculously survived an impossible crash

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Okay... good point...

However, when Boone returns from the jungle all p.o'd and ready to kill Locke, and once Locke calms Boone down some and finds out what Boone saw... Locke said something like, "That's what it showed you?"

So there is some control factor that the island/creature/whatever has over the survivors...

The other interesting thing I just thought of in regard to the french woman, Rousseau... She had explained that she did not want the 'others' to leave the island because they were infected or something like that... It seems that the island/creature/whatever would have the same goal, but for different reasons.

It could refer to the drug. As in "I don't like smoking marijuana. It makes me sleepy."

Originally posted by petergaryr
Yes, and at the time that was a clever surprise, though I believe it upset a number of people.

Contrast that to the ending of Newhart. Bob wakes up from a dream, but that was one of the best "surprise" endings IMHO of any series.

As for Lost, I agree with all who believe something "more than natural" is happening. For now, I am believing that the guy who got sucked into the engine, the pilot, and the surfer girl "really" died. All the others are "really" alive, but somehow miraculously survived an impossible crash Both Newhart and St. Elsewhere were cancelled and it was a way to abruptly end the series with a wink.

I have been thinking about this plane plummeting 35,000 feet and having survivors. Maybe the plane hasn't crashed yet and the backstories are the "life passed before my eyes" details that we are watching. The series will end with the plane crashing and no survivors. Flame on my babies. ;)

Originally posted by tall1
Maybe the plane hasn't crashed yet and the backstories are the "life passed before my eyes" details that we are watching. The series will end with the plane crashing and no survivors. Flame on my babies. ;)

That is good! i like that ...

I have been thinking about this plane plummeting 35,000 feet and having survivors. Maybe the plane hasn't crashed yet and the backstories are the "life passed before my eyes" details that we are watching. The series will end with the plane crashing and no survivors. Flame on my babies. ;)

No flames here - good one!

Or maybe, at the last second, it pulls out of a power dive and recovers and everyone lives happily after.

Except Locke is still paraplegic but he comes to accept his condition.

IOW, standard Hollywood Happy Ending.

Originally posted by wco81
Or maybe, at the last second, it pulls out of a power dive and recovers and everyone lives happily after.

Except Locke is still paraplegic but he comes to accept his condition.

IOW, standard Hollywood Happy Ending. Which reminds me of these lines from one of the all-time best movies ever: National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation...

Cathrine: "You remember Ruby Sue?"
Frances: "Oh yeah. Oh my gosh, her eyes aren't crossed anymore."
Eddie: "That's something ain't it? She falls in a well, eyes go crossed. She gets kicked by a mule, they go back to normal. I don't know." :D

Originally posted by tall1

I have been thinking about this plane plummeting 35,000 feet and having survivors. Maybe the plane hasn't crashed yet and the backstories are the "life passed before my eyes" details that we are watching. The series will end with the plane crashing and no survivors. Flame on my babies. ;)

Hummmm. The purgatory hypothesis has been beaten to death. However, this is the first time I've heard this scenario. Very interesting thought. Flame thrower off. :D

Maybe when the series runs it's course, they'll have a spin-off series called Behind Lost and it will be all about the people in the tail section. ;)

Originally posted by sbddvm
Hummmm. The purgatory hypothesis has been beaten to death. However, this is the first time I've heard this scenario. Very interesting thought. Flame thrower off. :D

Only if the series get cancelled prematurely!

edit - oops! double post! see below.

For those who don't want a "supernatural" resolution or for those positing it, this article from September 2004 may be interesting: http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-tv.html?2004-09/07/12.00.tv.

While Lost is an amalgam of different genres, including SF, [co-executive producer David] Fury explained that realism is the key in making it all work. "What we are trying to do is make sure everything has a very Scully explanation," Fury said, referring to the X-Files character. "This is not a show about the supernatural, despite the fact that we have a very huge creature that likes to eat people. Despite the surreal, bizarre aspects of the island, there will be an explanation for it. It may not come for a very long time, but certain information about the island will explain how things are possible. We'll try to root it in real science or real pseudo-science. There will be no mystical reason or an island of monsters.

Originally posted by wco81
Or maybe, at the last second, it pulls out of a power dive and recovers and everyone lives happily after.

Except Locke is still paraplegic but he comes to accept his condition.

IOW, standard Hollywood Happy Ending. I didn't see him on the Airplane! but maybe Ted Striker could fly the plane to safety?

pseudo-science.... I like that.

It's not quite sci-fi, but it's not quite reality either... :)

" 'real' pseudo-science"? Gotta love it!

Would that mean that "fake pseudo science" is the same as "real science"? ;)

Originally posted by JThree
For those who don't want a "supernatural" resolution or for those positing it, this article from September 2004 may be interesting: http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-tv.html?2004-09/07/12.00.tv.

They are Clones on Drugs...totally plausible! :-)

Originally posted by JayDog_2
pseudo-science.... I like that.

It's not quite sci-fi, but it's not quite reality either... :)

This island must be the place where they make all of those high-priced audio/video cables. :p

Heh, yeah... 'Monster' cables...

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Heh, yeah... 'Monster' cables...

http://www.emotipad.com/newemoticons/Funny-Above.gifhttp://www.emotipad.com/newemoticons/Grin-Nod.gif

Originally posted by CPanther95
Maybe when the series runs it's course, they'll have a spin-off series called Behind Lost and it will be all about the people in the tail section. ;)

Or maybe "After L*O*S*T" where Jack is back working in the hospital and Klinger is there and...

The creators of the show have emphatically maintained that the characters on Lost are not dead.

Originally posted by petergaryr
Contrast that to the ending of Newhart. Bob wakes up from a dream, but that was one of the best "surprise" endings IMHO of any series.
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:) Ah, my favorite series ending of all time ... now that was funny.

As far as the purgatory thing, I sure hope that's not the answer. I think there's just too many people that couldn't relate. I mean, we all know sort of what it is, but isn't purgatory strictly a Catholic doctrine? If they're really in purgatory, I think most non-Catholics might feel a little left out.

Originally posted by PJO1966
The creators of the show have emphatically maintained that the characters on Lost are not dead.

that's why tall1's idea is still plausable - it's the split second flashblack before they die- so they are not yet dead!

Originally posted by tall1
Maybe the plane hasn't crashed yet and the backstories are the "life passed before my eyes" details that we are watching. The series will end with the plane crashing and no survivors. Flame on my babies. ;)

I thought that one of the creators of the show already said that they are not dead for sure and that they are not in hell.

I don't think that Locke made it rain when he said it was going to rain in one minute i think the scene was just supposed to show that he had uncanny wilderness skills. One can tell when it is going to rain by how humid or hot or cool it feels as well as time of day etc. While it may not be very realistic he was that accurate I don't think they were trying to say he made it rain.

I can't really see how the can explain all these things on the island without some sci fi element.. even psuedo science would be hard to explain it with unless were talking about nanotechnology or mind altering drugs.

Originally posted by Savageone79

I can't really see how the can explain all these things on the island without some sci fi element.. even psuedo science would be hard to explain it with unless were talking about nanotechnology or mind altering drugs.

Mind altering drugs can be a lot of fun...:p

I like it when sci fi elements show up.

- Tom

Originally posted by PJO1966
Or maybe "After L*O*S*T" where Jack is back working in the hospital and Klinger is there and...

The creators of the show have emphatically maintained that the characters on Lost are not dead. Maybe during one of the "flash-back" sequences there could be narration added by "Kramer" with an appearance of George "can't stand ya!!!":p

It's interesting to see new theories popping up as more *stuff* is revealed....or is it just chaff from the writers ?!?!?!

A friend of mine was commenting that his wife feels that this whole "experience" that the islanders are on is a "group therapy session" of some sort....with Locke as the therapist/doctor. Too many holes in the storyline for me to buy into that one though....

And as for Locke controlling the island (and Walt as well to a degree), Locke and the rain were intertwined early
in the first episode as well (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4785691#post4785691)

The whole Black/white symbolism has been there from the first episode too....and has reared it's head on numerous occassions.

I also wonder if a many of the survivors parental backstories (or to a greater degree FAMILY) has anything to do with their *place* on the island (Jack and his dad, Sawyer and his parents, Michael and Walt, Kate talking about her father, Boone-Shannon and their *parents*, Claire and her "baby's daddy", Charlie's brother....) Hell, even Rousseau's supposedly *looking* for her child....

And I too (as others have mentioned) tend to think that the little airplane in the Marshal's briefcase has something to do with Kate's dad (the man she loved) and not a boyfriend/love interest. It looked like a military transport plane....and she did say her father was in the military (though who knows if ANYTHING she says is true...)

Hurley is still THE MAN as far as I'm concerned on this show ("Your wife's hot"...."pee on my foot"....)

I did find it interesting that what Jack "had" on the plane (his father's coffin) turned out to be empty when he found it again...and when Kate's briefcase was opened....it turned out to NOT contain what we all expected it to contain....yet Charlie "found" his guitar and Boone (maybe) is able to cut emotional ties with Shannon after Locke gets involved....interesting stuff.

I still can't get enough of this show.....and I'm sure I had other things that popped into my head as I read the last 30 or so pages of this thread that at this moment I'm neglecting to revisit.

Originally posted by jaypb
...and when Kate's briefcase was opened....it turned out to NOT contain what we all expected it to contain...

Jaypb...slight confusion on my part. She said there would be guns and money in the briefcase and there WERE guns and money in the briefcase...in addition to the envelope with the plane.

Did I miss something?

Originally posted by CPanther95
Maybe when the series runs it's course, they'll have a spin-off series called Behind Lost and it will be all about the people in the tail section. ;)
In an earlier episode the black lady mentions to Jack that her husband is still alive, even though her husband was in the restroom at the tail of the plane. Perhaps we'll see her husband and some of the other survivors from the tail section in a future episode. Also, I'm not convinced that Locke has any special mental abilities. I'm thinking that he could have just seen the rain working it's way across the area and estimated that it would be there in about a minute. And I feel the same way when he pointed out Charlie's guitar--that Locke saw it on the hill and just made Charlie jump through hoops before letting him know it was there.

Originally posted by seldenpat
Jaypb...slight confusion on my part. She said there would be guns and money in the briefcase and there WERE guns and money in the briefcase...in addition to the envelope with the plane.

Did I miss something?

Sorry for the confusion---my thought process was relating to the envelope itself....with the plane in it....while reading through the thread, IIRC, some posters were thinking that the plane wasn't what she expected to find in the envelope (maybe jewels.....or whatever was in the safety deposit box what was she was expecting to find in the briefcase).

Originally posted by seldenpat
Jaypb...slight confusion on my part. She said there would be guns and money in the briefcase and there WERE guns and money in the briefcase...in addition to the envelope with the plane.

Did I miss something?

No you did not. It was all there.

" It seemed more like an afterthought as a good way to end the series."

Or a complete and total embarrassment like the Dallas "dream season."

The equivalent on "Lost" would be that the whole thing is actually the kid's comic book come to life. Yum, that would be satisfying.

Not.

Evangeline and Jorge were just on the Red Carpet on INHD. Did anyone catch that?

Originally posted by definitely
Evangeline and Jorge were just on the Red Carpet on INHD. Did anyone catch that?

I missed them, but caught Jennifer Garner in a red dress near the end of the HD broadcast!

I saw a trailer for Wednesday's show during DH. "More will be revealed than you could imagine" is what the voice-over said.

did anyone catch, as i was watching the show in hd i downloaded when the monster came last week behind boone and shannon it looked like just a big trap behind them being spring upward toward the tree canopy, you know like when someone is running and get trapped up in nets ie like the nets they used on pirate ships. you can see that net go up in the background ill try to take a screen shot of it and post it up.

Originally posted by sayanythingrock
did anyone catch, as i was watching the show in hd i downloaded when the monster came last week behind boone and shannon it looked like just a big trap behind them being spring upward toward the tree canopy, you know like when someone is running and get trapped up in nets ie like the nets they used on pirate ships. you can see that net go up in the background ill try to take a screen shot of it and post it up.

Yeah, I actually had to go back and replay that scene because it looked odd, and that's exactly what I thought. It looked like a long wire or rope being pulled up from just under the topsoil, you could see a cascade of dirt and debris moving down the path with it. I wasn't sure if it was just an effect that wasn't supposed to be that visible, or done intentionally as a clue. It could imply that the "monster" is a gimmick being staged by others on the island to frighten them. Boone & Shannon sure seemed to be in position to actually see whatever was trying to get at them, though, and were certainly acting as if there was an actual entity looking for them and not just a gimmick.

Originally posted by pheroy
Boone & Shannon sure seemed to be in position to actually see whatever was trying to get at them, though, and were certainly acting as if there was an actual entity looking for them and not just a gimmick.
But of course, since it was all just an hallucination, any "evidence" from that sequence is basically irrelevant. :)

Originally posted by dmbatch
I saw a trailer for Wednesday's show during DH. "More will be revealed than you could imagine" is what the voice-over said. I saw it last night too...

This Wednesday, Jan. 19, 8/7c

"Special" - Violence ensues and a mysterious island beast makes a re-appearance when Michael and Locke clash over Walt's upbringing. Meanwhile, Charlie is tempted to read the missing Claire's diary, and Sayid enlists Shannon to help decipher the French woman's map.

If you’ve seen ABC’s ad for this Wednesday’s episode of Lost… then you know either J.J. Abrams is reading this board or he can read what is on our mind’s. After last Wednesday’s episode of Lost the 'buzz' on this thread questioned when might all of the events start getting tied together? This week’s episode is billed to do just that… the audience is encouraged to pay ”special” attention to every “detail!” I'm looking forward to watching this week's episode in HD, 5.1 DD with TWC. I’ll make a copy on my SA8300HD-DVR so I can review this week's episode to see what I've missed.

check out "Lost" on abc.go.com (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index.html)

Well Abrams has plenty of venues he could check out for fan discussions of Lost. AVS is big but TWoP for instance is probably bigger.

They've been teasing on giving out details.

I'll believe it when they really advance the plot and something actually happens in the present, not the past.

Originally posted by wco81
Well Abrams has plenty of venues he could check out for fan discussions of Lost. AVS is big but TWoP for instance is probably bigger.

They've been teasing on giving out details.

I'll believe it when they really advance the plot and something actually happens in the present, not the past. AVS Forum Lost thread view count is 167584 since 9/23/04, definitely a popular thread!:)

Originally posted by nessus

If you’ve seen ABC’s ad for this Wednesday’s episode of Lost… then you know either J.J. Abrams is reading this board or he can read what is on our mind’s.


Please keep in mind that these episodes were filmed many weeks ago, I seriously doubt JJ or his staff know or care about forums such as this. If they DO keep tabs on them, it's likely to make sure that noone has 'figured it out'. They have an audience of 15-20 million a week, doubtful they are worried about appeasing a few thousand on the message boards.

Originally posted by Iteki
Please keep in mind that these episodes were filmed many weeks ago, I seriously doubt JJ or his staff know or care about forums such as this. If they DO keep tabs on them, it's likely to make sure that noone has 'figured it out'. They have an audience of 15-20 million a week, doubtful they are worried about appeasing a few thousand on the message boards. I'm sure Mr. Abrams knows... for his show to remain popular, he must at some point begin to quell the masses... so coincidentally the timing is right for “Special” Episode 14.

Originally posted by pheroy
Yeah, I actually had to go back and replay that scene because it looked odd, and that's exactly what I thought. It looked like a long wire or rope being pulled up from just under the topsoil, you could see a cascade of dirt and debris moving down the path with it. I thought this scene was mentioned before as being the monster uprooting trees. If those that can spend more than 1.5 seconds on the scene (like us with HD DVRs! :) ) can see some of the mechanics, I don't know if we can say that's what the point was *supposed* to be.

I think it *was* just the "monster pulling trees" as that's what I saw in a second viewing without any slo-mo, etc.

Lost - DVDs on producers' minds right from the start; Paul Dini Gives "Lost" Spoilers here (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news04/041109d.php)


Originally posted by nessus
AVS Forum Lost thread view count is 167584 since 9/23/04, definitely a popular thread!:)

Originally posted by sayanythingrock
did anyone catch, as i was watching the show in hd i downloaded when the monster came last week behind boone and shannon it looked like just a big trap behind them being spring upward toward the tree canopy, you know like when someone is running and get trapped up in nets ie like the nets they used on pirate ships. you can see that net go up in the background ill try to take a screen shot of it and post it up.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4980878#post4980878

Locke fans rejoice. Producer David Fury just let out a piece of info on the Lost boards.

"Thanks for your kind words.

Next week's episode is 14. Episode 19 will revisit Locke. I believe Damon and Carlton will be writing that one, but I haven't heard what they came up with. Hope you enjoy it."

Originally posted by pheroy
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I wasn't sure if it was just an effect that wasn't supposed to be that visible, or done intentionally as a clue.
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That's the tricky bit with the show, what's a clue vs. what's bad science vs. what's a budget constraint.

Originally posted by definitely
Evangeline and Jorge were just on the Red Carpet on INHD. Did anyone catch that?

I caught 'em on today's INHD2 replays - they show up early in the show about 15minutes from the beginning. Here's a frame grab I got of 'em:

Originally posted by Joxer
I caught 'em on today's INHD2 replays - they show up early in the show about 15minutes from the beginning. Here's a frame grab I got of 'em:

Man, I hope she packed that dress for the trip and the suitcase made it to the island. Wow!

Originally posted by tall1
I have been thinking about this plane plummeting 35,000 feet and having survivors. Maybe the plane hasn't crashed yet and the backstories are the "life passed before my eyes" details that we are watching. The series will end with the plane crashing and no survivors. Flame on my babies. ;) No flames here - that is pretty good.

Of course, now JJ has to come up with a new idea. :D

Well at least an original suggestion for this thread. The actual literary idea of having the rest of your life Fast-Forward in the instant before death was created by that greatest of American writers of short fiction, Ambrose Bierce. Bierce wrote a story called An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge in the second half of the 19th Century, in fact it's his best-known story. A man fantasizes escape and return to his family in the instant between being pushed from the bridge by Union soldiers for train sabotage, just before the rope snaps his neck.

The story was still enough of an original idea to win the Cannes Film Festival when made into a short movie in 1962.

The plane passengers may indeed be all Peyton Fahrquhar's. If so, I am much impressed by the quality of the work the scriptwriters have ripped off. (Bierce's work is today in the public domain.)

Gary

Originally posted by Joxer
I caught 'em on today's INHD2 replays - they show up early in the show about 15minutes from the beginning. Here's a frame grab I got of 'em:


Will someone provide me a link or crash course on posting pics here.
I have a 3x HQ pic of our Evangeline on the red carpet.

Does the pic have to be saved on the internet somewhere? Currently its on my hard drive.

Click on the 'Post Reply' button on the bottom. At the bottom of the form (below the checkboxes) there will be a link to attach a file. If the pictures are just on your hard drive that is the easiest way (one file per post). If they are on the internet you can use the IMG tag.

Originally posted by Innova
[B If they are on the internet you can use the IMG tag. [/B]

I've tried that but the only thing that shows in the post is the actual link to the website where the picture is posted. Could it be a browser problem? I'm using Netscape.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joxer
I caught 'em on today's INHD2 replays - they show up early in the show about 15minutes from the beginning. Here's a frame grab I got of 'em: [/QUYOTE]

yep...there they are, both of them:D

Originally posted by keenan
I've tried that but the only thing that shows in the post is the actual link to the website where the picture is posted. Could it be a browser problem? I'm using Netscape.

You must have a typo somewhere, here is an example:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/avsforum-logo.jpg

This was done by typing (with no spaces by the IMG):

[ IMG ]http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/avsforum-logo.jpg[ /IMG ]

So no one has said anything about Evangeline being on The Tonight Show last night. Did yall miss it? :D

Jorge was on Jimmy Kimmel too.

I stayed up just to watch E.L. and then fell asleep just before she came on. Argggghhhh! Who wants to buy me an hddrv?

I just found out that she is on Ellen today allso.:)

Originally posted by Innova
You must have a typo somewhere, here is an example:



Sent you a PM.

Originally posted by Joxer
I caught 'em on today's INHD2 replays - they show up early in the show about 15minutes from the beginning. Here's a frame grab I got of 'em:

I believe I turned on the show right as Evangeline and Hurley showed up...man was she stunning in that black dress! Fortunately, I grabbed it on my HD-DVR and caught most of her appearance in the DVR buffer.

Hurley didn't seem to say anything, but then standing next to Evangeline, he probably couldn't talk with his tongue hanging out.

Originally posted by Couch Patato
I just found out that she is on Ellen today allso.:)
Ooh, that is bad news for us guys!! ;)

Originally posted by Innova
Click on the 'Post Reply' button on the bottom. At the bottom of the form (below the checkboxes) there will be a link to attach a file. If the pictures are just on your hard drive that is the easiest way (one file per post). If they are on the internet you can use the IMG tag.

Thanks, i will get right on it when I get home in a couple of hours.
I will try the IMG tag first if the other option of attaching a pic is actually limited to a pic no larger than 640x640. The pic I have is huge, like 1800x2400.

Originally posted by Gary McCoy
Well at least an original suggestion for this thread. The actual literary idea of having the rest of your life Fast-Forward in the instant before death was created by that greatest of American writers of short fiction, Ambrose Bierce. Bierce wrote a story called An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge in the second half of the 19th Century, in fact it's his best-known story. A man fantasizes escape and return to his family in the instant between being pushed from the bridge by Union soldiers for train sabotage, just before the rope snaps his neck.

The story was still enough of an original idea to win the Cannes Film Festival when made into a short movie in 1962.

The plane passengers may indeed be all Peyton Fahrquhar's. If so, I am much impressed by the quality of the work the scriptwriters have ripped off. (Bierce's work is today in the public domain.)

Gary It just goes to show you, there are no original ideas...everyone copies everyone (heck I think I just copied that line from the movie Swingers). I do remember seeing that movie short when I was a kid...I never knew the title before. Maybe that was the seed for my "original" idea.

EDIT: Here is the link to An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056300/maindetails#comment) on IMDB. Interesting details, the film won the Best Short Subject Oscar in 1964 and it was also aired as the last episode of the original Twilight Zone. Rod Serling bought the rights to the film. Coincidentally it was a French film/director/actors and there is so much focus on the French in Lost.

Originally posted by Couch Patato
I just found out that she is on Ellen today allso.:) I hope she doesn't get Evangeline to change teams. Although Ellen is with Portia de Rossi now.

Guys - I think this "life flashing " theory has merit.

Thoughts:

(I hope these don't qualify as spoilers, but scroll past if you don't want to see them)

Didn't someone say the "monster" sounded "familiar?" And, don't we all agree that it sounds "mechanical?" Well, perhaps it's the sound of the rending metal in the airplane, and consequently, their impending doom? If they're caught by the "monster" then they go to their eventual crash/death?

Also, on the "hatch." Does it look, even a little, like the exterior door of an airplane? If so, then entering the "hatch" would put the person back into the airplane and on course to their eventual crash/death?

Everyone's flashbacks and demons are what their minds are allowing them to "make peace with" in order to move on to their fate/death?

Locke has already figured all this out and is just waiting until he feels "right" about moving on.

Just some thoughts I was pondering...

Originally posted by IrmoGamecoq
Guys - I think this "life flashing " theory has merit.

Thoughts:

(I hope these don't qualify as spoilers, but scroll past if you don't want to see them)

Didn't someone say the "monster" sounded "familiar?" And, don't we all agree that it sounds "mechanical?" Well, perhaps it's the sound of the rending metal in the airplane, and consequently, their impending doom? If they're caught by the "monster" then they go to their eventual crash/death?

Also, on the "hatch." Does it look, even a little, like the exterior door of an airplane? If so, then entering the "hatch" would put the person back into the airplane and on course to their eventual crash/death?

Everyone's flashbacks and demons are what their minds are allowing them to "make peace with" in order to move on to their fate/death?

Locke has already figured all this out and is just waiting until he feels "right" about moving on.

Just some thoughts I was pondering...

Well done. This "dying moments" theory is really shaping up!

The monster does sound like metal being stressed/shorn. And the lack of an external handle on the hatch does suggest an airplane.

Originally posted by htevolution
Well done. This "dying moments" theory is really shaping up!

I agree it's an intriguing thought....but a dirty rotten trick if true :-)

Is this the Mulholland Dr thread?

Originally posted by elspankdog
Is this the Mulholland Dr thread?

Another dirty rotten trick that one...but it did give us the random lesbian love scene....worth the price of the rental :-)

Here is Evangeline from the red carpet in HQ

Fingers and toes are crossed this works.

http://thecelebrityspotlight.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8069

you should have crossed your eyes too. That site requires a subscription.

ok....we'll try it this way then with eyes now crossed

Actually there is no cost to register and the celebrity content is very good.
There are a dozen or so of her at the Globes all in glorious 3 times HQ plus some dandy wallpapers from Lost.

An after party pic with our pal Charlie

Ya, but if it's life flashing, the french woman is tough to fit in.

Good point etcarroll

Well there are many variables in play if the "life flashing" theory is to be explored.

1) It could be that all the episodes of Lost are taking place in the mind of a single passenger still alive after the fuselage split open at 35,000 feet and in the minutes before he hits the Earth. Maybe Jack?

2) It could be that many live passengers are experiencing the plunge to Earth after the plane came apart, and the island is their shared reality.

3) The kid and the comic book may in fact rule - he was reading it and some of the things that happen to the others are because his imagination is strongest and his life experiences the least, so he has fewer hangups about what is or is not possible.

4) At least Locke may have figured out the truth - he's the one most at home being "Lost".

5) Many other permutations are possible ... all things are possible ... they hang between life and death in a shared dream state, living the remaining years of their lives in the few minutes of the fall.

Gary

Originally posted by etcarroll
Ya, but if it's life flashing, the french woman is tough to fit in.

Maybe she was part of an earlier plane crash where the same life flashing experience occured. She was the only one from that crash who refused to acknowledge/accept her death and chose the stay on the island. The others have already left or let go.

Originally posted by IrmoGamecoq
Guys - I think this "life flashing " theory has merit.

Thoughts:

(I hope these don't qualify as spoilers, but scroll past if you don't want to see them)

Didn't someone say the "monster" sounded "familiar?" And, don't we all agree that it sounds "mechanical?" Well, perhaps it's the sound of the rending metal in the airplane, and consequently, their impending doom? If they're caught by the "monster" then they go to their eventual crash/death?

Also, on the "hatch." Does it look, even a little, like the exterior door of an airplane? If so, then entering the "hatch" would put the person back into the airplane and on course to their eventual crash/death?

Everyone's flashbacks and demons are what their minds are allowing them to "make peace with" in order to move on to their fate/death?

Locke has already figured all this out and is just waiting until he feels "right" about moving on.

Just some thoughts I was pondering...

Thought about this a little more overnight...

Some things that are tough to fit into this scenario:

The aforementioned French Lady (as was also mentioned though, she could be still experiencing her "life flashing" from her shipwreck)

Ethan?

What's happened to Claire? She certainly didn't "make peace" with her situation and "move on"...she was forceably removed.

The business with the baby...specifically what the psychic said about Claire raising him. Very foreboding, but doesn't fit into the "life flashing" theory.

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This is good discussion, guys...I'm really enjoying reading everyone's comments. Kinda reminds me of the Matrix threads of about a year ago....turned out some of the theories in those were better in some ways than the movies themselves (though I still loved those flicks). I hope that doesn't end up being the case here though.

Originally posted by Gary McCoy
Well there are many variables in play if the "life flashing" theory is to be explored.

1) It could be that all the episodes of Lost are taking place in the mind of a single passenger still alive after the fuselage split open at 35,000 feet and in the minutes before he hits the Earth. Maybe Jack?

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This could definitely be the case. Doesn't everyone wonder about the people you're sharing a plane with...what they do in "real life"...where they're going and why?...or is it just me?...anyone?...Bueller? ;)

One of the interesting themes is all the survivors were destined to go to Australia and be on that plane. Claire to protect her unborn child, Locke to perform a walkabout, Charlie to ask his brother to rejoin the band, Boone to save Shannon, Kate to run from who knows what?, Jack to recover his Father... The mysticism began long before the characters became "Lost!"

Originally posted by htevolution
Doesn't everyone wonder about the people your sharing a plane with...what they do in "real life"...where they're going and why?...or is it just me?...anyone?...Bueller? ;)

Not to the extent that I would create (in my mind) a whole life on the island with all of them with a variety of interactions.

As far as the single person theory - if this is all in Jack's mind, why are there so many "survivors"? I'd think it would be Jack, Shannon, Kate, and Sun. That's it. Well, maybe a midget, donkey and a limber cameraman also - but that would be the max. ;)

Originally posted by CPanther95
Not to the extent that I would create (in my mind) a whole life on the island with all of them with a variety of interactions.

As far as the single person theory - if this is all in Jack's mind, why are there so many "survivors"? I'd think it would be Jack, Shannon, Kate, and Sun. That's it. Well, maybe a midget, donkey and a limber cameraman also - but that would be the max. ;) Don't forget that 'polar bear!':D

Maybe Locke "gets it" because he fits in with the child aspect of the show....remember his recollection last week... "I wasn't a very popular child...."

Originally posted by nessus
One of the interesting themes is all the survivors were destined to go to Australia and be on that plane. Claire to protect her unborn child, Locke to perform a walkabout, Charlie to ask his brother to rejoin the band, Boone to save Shannon, Kate to run from who knows what?, Jack to recover his Father... The mysticism began long before the characters became "Lost!"

and the sheer velocity of the crash happened to knock off the clothes from Shannon, Kate and Sun, so they have no choice but to run around the island naked
:D

Originally posted by CPanther95
As far as the single person theory - if this is all in Jack's mind, why are there so many "survivors"? A plot device. Jack sorta seemed like a white-knuckle passenger and maybe he did some research and learned that there is a 60% survival rate of passengers on aircraft ditching during controlled flight. I was surprised the survival rate is that high. As for plot holes in the "flash-forward, flashback" theory...the writers aren't perfect and there will be some inconsistences in the story. I am sure some of you have seen plot holes you could drive a truck through on Abrams' Alias over the last 3 seasons. As for Lost, it is difficult to know if it is just bad writing or clever writing.

It'll probably end up being a board game or something that a kid is playing in his house :D

like the twilight zone

Originally posted by Chriš
And don't forget in one of the early episodes when his father said "I'll go look for the dog as soon as the rain stops". Then all of a sudden the pouring rain suddenly stops and the sun comes out.

Obviously he has some control over the island.

I think the key is children. Maybe somehow kids have control using only their thoughts. Or possibly much more than adults.
I also believe it has something to do with the "others" wanting the baby. The child could be raised without knowing it's real past, and think it was being raised by actual parents. They could then control the controller.

As a child, they wouldn't want Walt because he would not cooperate.

It could be a Stephen King device like in "IT" where children have more power over the supernatural evil because they still believe in the impossible.

Originally posted by nessus
One of the interesting themes is all the survivors were destined to go to Australia and be on that plane. Claire to protect her unborn child, Locke to perform a walkabout, Charlie to ask his brother to rejoin the band, Boone to save Shannon, Kate to run from who knows what?, Jack to recover his Father... The mysticism began long before the characters became "Lost!"

Maybe I'm reading this wrong. When you say that plane, are you saying the plane that crashed was on the way to or from Australia?

Originally posted by htevolution
Doesn't everyone wonder about the people you're sharing a plane with...what they do in "real life"...where they're going and why?...or is it just me?...anyone?...Bueller? ;)

Well, I do fantasize about the stewardess' and the Mile High Club...:p

Originally posted by mx6bfast
Maybe I'm reading this wrong. When you say that plane, are you saying the plane that crashed was on the way to or from Australia?

The plane was going from Australia to Los Angeles. I think only Claire was from Australia - most of the others were there for one reason or another and were leaving.

They sure are advertising the heck out of tonight's episode. And they are billing at as the most revealing so far. Given a few weeks of repeats afterwards, I hope it lives up to the hype.

Xesdeeni

Originally posted by heywood jablomy
The plane was going from Australia to Los Angeles. I think only Claire was from Australia - most of the others were there for one reason or another and were leaving.

I couldn't tell if he was saying the plane going to or coming from Australia. I knew it was coming from Australia I just wanted to make sure no one else got confused.

I've heard a theory that they were all dead, and that the Island was actually Hell. Most of them had some type of wrong-doing in their past. But the only thing I can't explain with that theory was the little boy.

I mean, chances are the writers don't even know where this is going and are probably searching these types of message boards for plausible theories.

All i know is the show looks sweet in HD

I think there is someone, or something on this artificial island (the hatch leads to the metal guts of the island, explaining the compass being wrong...and the power cable) that either wants to control, or wants to isolate, children that are "special". Walt is one, Claires' baby is one (bet shes not pregnant in the next episode), I think Locke is one grown-up (remember his comment "I was not the most popular kid") and i think Shannon may be one. Someone else has it too...more on that...
Walt has already demonstrated his power with the bird & polar bear. Locke has too...with Charlies guitar, and the rain. Someone else has too...with the "monster"...I remember when the monster appeared in the first episode, a male voice is heard saying "that sounds familiar"....identify that voice and you have another "gifted child"...the one who makes the monster appear!
Remember when Locke made the comment about Michelangelo staring for hours, when he was actually working?
Makes you wonder if thats what Locke is doing staring out at the ocean....

Great episode and we did learn a lot about Walt and Michael (and that Walt
was "different" even before the island). However, I think ABC is borrowing a page from NBC's "must see" television in their advertisement. NBC would advertise shows as "you won't believe what you see," "you have to watch this episode.", etc. and then there would be nothing special about the episode. The way ABC advertised this episode of Lost you have the impression that much would be revealed and many things made clear. Somethings were made clearer but not on a major scale. I have no problem with the pace of the story line, I like things gradually made clear, but this episode didn't live up to the advertisement (IMHO, maybe others feel differently). With all that said, I'm still a loyal "Lost" fan.

My MOXI stopped recording right after they said "black rock". What happened next. I even set ALIAS to record but it started to record at the beginning of alias. This sucks!

I'm not clearer on anything, big or little.

All I got was Walt's backstory - he's special.

I'm with Karnis - as soon as I saw Claire I said to my wife, "Bet she doesn't have the baby anymore".

How long till next new epi?

Originally posted by tcfila
My MOXI stopped recording right after they said "black rock". What happened next. I even set ALIAS to record but it started to record at the beginning of alias. This sucks!

They agreed to go looking for her, but not that night. Then Locke and useless surfer boy were out looking for Walt's dog and instead found Claire. Next week is apparently a repeat of the French Woman episode.

Wonder if Walt had something to do with Mom's death....lack of attention?

Originally posted by etcarroll


How long till next new epi?

Feb 9 starts at least a 4 week run of new episodes, according to tvtome.com.

all episodes in february will be new..for sweeps..

The producers are awaiting ABC to approve a 24th episode for the season. They already got the green light for 23.

What on earth is with all the commercial breaks during Lost? Most dramas are about 44 minutes in length minus the ads. I'm curious how much show is actually left when the commercials are edited out of Lost. Feels like we're getting around 35 minutes. :( Please forgive me if this was mentioned in one post in the previous 52 pages. ;)

A "goof" from TVTome.com:

"Charlie is reading Claires diary by the fire. The fire is behind him to his left, but the light is shining on him from the front."

:( Please forgive me if this was mentioned in one post in the previous 52 pages. ;)

Just don't let it happen again

So, once again Walt is reading a comic book with a polar bear, and once again one appears??? In the comic book he was reading, was that a picture of an island that flashed by quickly?

Originally posted by n2blu
What on earth is with all the commercial breaks during Lost? Most dramas are about 44 minutes in length minus the ads. I'm curious how much show is actually left when the commercials are edited out of Lost. Feels like we're getting around 35 minutes. :( Please forgive me if this was mentioned in one post in the previous 52 pages. ;)
Actually that topic probably accounts for several pages in this thread, in the default page view at least.:(

Originally posted by Rakesh.S
Wonder if Walt had something to do with Mom's death....lack of attention?
You are not the only one. That thought crossed my mind, too. Maybe she got a bad case of avian flu from that dead bird he had fly in. ;) I know, I know, Brian said she had a "blood disorder". :p

Originally posted by petergaryr
So, once again Walt is reading a comic book with a polar bear, and once again one appears??? In the comic book he was reading, was that a picture of an island that flashed by quickly?

Yes, there was an island that was under what looked like a force field.

So the tropical island in the comic book had a polar bear too?

What are the odds?

Is this all in the mind of the kid?

24 episodes? Why don't they greenlight 30?

Paul

Okay from above, the bear looked like CG. Had a kind of opaque look.

And Walt is special?

Is this going to be Stephen King/Twilight Zone stuff?

Ugh.

Looking back on the Tivo at the comic book scene, the "island" looked to me to possibly be a flying saucer. You could see the glass-like dome on top, with a spiky object in the middle of the dome; maybe that could resemble a triangular shaped "black rock". It also had what looked like squarish objects that were barely visible in the lower right corner that might encircle it, kind of like vents or some other structure. On one page were a couple of creatures that resembled insects, maybe we will see some cucarachas later in the show!

was i the only one, but when they first show him reading the diary, in the top right hand corner, it looked like they had blurred something out that was there before? i did rewind it when it was done and paused it and it did look blurred. i didn't record it so i can't go back to view it again.

I kept expecting Walt to "wish someone into the cornfield"

Originally posted by Karnis
Claires' baby is one (bet shes not pregnant in the next episode),

She definitely is not carrying a child anymore based on the shot I saw.

Was this an incredible looking scene or what!

http://home.pacifier.com/~scowl/hdtv/lost3.jpg

Originally posted by labmansid
Looking back on the Tivo at the comic book scene, the "island" looked to me to possibly be a flying saucer. You could see the glass-like dome on top, with a spiky object in the middle of the dome; maybe that could resemble a triangular shaped "black rock". It also had what looked like squarish objects that were barely visible in the lower right corner that might encircle it, kind of like vents or some other structure. On one page were a couple of creatures that resembled insects, maybe we will see some cucarachas later in the show!

OK, so here's another theory:

1) The Alien flying saucer takes apart the plane in midair using force beams that slice through metal. The passengers and crew are "collected" for study, and rendered unconscious. Then they were arranged on the island surface and allowed to awaken.

2) The island is a construct that flies through space and periodicly passes by Earth. The French woman is one of the few survivors of the last collection of Earth specimens. (Kinda like the city in space in the film Dark City). However she has had too many tissue samples taken from her brain, she's barely functional. The few others still alive are even worse off. Ethan is a disguised alien or is under alien control.

3) In classic alien conspiracy format, Claire's baby has been harvested for genetic manipulation - or was already modified by alien DNA and was simply collected.

4) Walt's imagination has greater effect on the shared virtual reality state the passengers are in because of his own alien DNA. Those who have the alien DNA can directly modify the "matrix".

5) The metal hatch is an entrance to the Engineering spaces of the spaceship and aliens will be encountered when they enter.

6) Prediction: the raft escape will fail as they penetrate the holographic image of the ocean which is a few hundred yards offshore from the fake island.

Gary

Originally posted by labmansid
Looking back on the Tivo at the comic book scene, the "island" looked to me to possibly be a flying saucer. You could see the glass-like dome on top, with a spiky object in the middle of the dome; maybe that could resemble a triangular shaped "black rock". It looked to me like a huge glass dome in the middle of an arctic wasteland protecting something (a tropical island?) with steep narrow mountains (buildings?) poking out of a hole in the center of the dome. I think in the comic, aliens have built a base in the Antarctic and a huge polar bear is very upset about this.

Sometimes I wonder if the people writing the show yet know the answers to all these questions.

- Tom

This was posted on another forum...thought others here may find it interesting given the questions about the comic:

For those interested..What does this say about Lost?

Green Lantern/Flash: Faster Friends Part I - About fifty years ago an alien spacecraft fell to Earth and in the interests of "national security" the Flash (Jay Garrick) and the Green Lantern (Alan Scott) were called in to eliminate the threat. In they're absolute trust of the government (yes there was a time when people trusted the government, hard to believe isn't it?), they never thought that the alien might be peaceful, and attacked unquestioningly. Having defeated it, Flash and GL were pushed to the background, not even thanked. Realizing the mistake they had made, they hid the space ship in a place where no one would find it. Fifty years later, the alien escapes from the government lab that held it prisoner for so long, and he's pissed. Not only was he locked up for fifty years, but the tests run on him gave him an incurable cancerous disease. The first thing he does is kill the man in charge of his incarceration, then finds Jay and Alan in order to retrieve the ship. When the two disappear, their wives contact the most recent Flash and Green Lantern and tell them the story. The boys aren't happy to be working together, but concede that it's necessary to save Jay and Alan. Using his ring, Kyle is able to pinpoint Alan's signature and find the buried space ship. The alien apparently has some pretty powerful psionic abilities and forces Alan and Jay to protect him while he sends out a signal and sets the ship for self-destruct. Kyle and Wally manage to save Jay and Alan, but don't stop the ship from exploding. The boys seem to have saved the day, but the alien's final words hang heavy in their minds, something about it being "too late for all of us."

Since the producers have said the people "aren't dead" and there would be a "pseudo-scientific" [I love oxymorons] explanation for everything, a labratory experiment of some kind seems more possible. The idea that the raft would fail by maybe bumping into the force field is a good one.

I'm not sure about Walt. The comment "when he's around, THINGS happen" would explain why his adopted dad wanted to get rid of him. It seemed the bird hit the window when he was angry or not being paid attention to.

Maybe the domed island is actually hovering 35,000 feet in the air, and the plane crashed into it. ;)

Originally posted by CPanther95
Maybe the domed island is actually hovering 35,000 feet in the air, and the plane crashed into it. ;)

If that happened, it didn't crash directly into it, since the plane encountered severe turbulence and broke into 3 pieces. However, I think of the anime movie Castle in the Sky, and the floating island was surrounded by a swirling wall of clouds and wind.

The island in the comic book reminds me of Atlantis.

Maybe every 16 years Atlantis rises from beneath the sea and causes plane(s) to crash because the force from the rising island disrupts airflow.

Originally posted by wco81
So the tropical island in the comic book had a polar bear too?

What are the odds?

Is this all in the mind of the kid?

That particular comic book takes place in several places, one of which is an arctic climate. The polar bear appears in that section of the book.

We really didn't learn anything new this episode, with the exception of their backstory. Poor guy! The car crash scene blew me away! Talk about having a bad day! Gal takes his son, shacks up with someone else, then he gets pancaked. ouch.

I was suprised at how his backstory played out. I had the impression that he was a deadbeat dad, but it was quite the opposite. Pleasant surprise. Loved that the kid was able to read the letters at the end.

But in terms of plot we all knew Walt was doing these things, now we know they were happening before, not just on the island. But that's about it.

One of the funniest lines of the series so far (re: the dog):

Dad to Walt: "Brian said you could have him" :D

Originally posted by Iteki
That particular comic book takes place in several places, one of which is an arctic climate. The polar bear appears in that section of the book.
...

Anyone with a DVR and a working knowledge of Spanish want to take a crack at what was actually happening in the comic book? Could be clues there...

Originally posted by htevolution
Anyone with a DVR and a working knowledge of Spanish want to take a crack at what was actually happening in the comic book? Could be clues there...

Better yet, does someone have a copy of that particular book in English? My brother is a comics fan, I'll get with him and see what he can find.

LOL I just re-read that sentence, maybe I'll just watch the show and see what happens (buying comics to decipher a TV show may qualify as disturbed) :-)

Originally posted by Iteki
We really didn't learn anything new this episode, with the exception of their backstory. Poor guy! The car crash scene blew me away! Talk about having a bad day! Gal takes his son, shacks up with someone else, then he gets pancaked. ouch.


Interesting how they did that. When Michael walks away from the phone, there are two people walking by between him and the camera who fill the whole frame, then he gets hit by the car. The director used those people as a device to cut away and splice in a new scene where a stuntman (presumably) gets hit by the car. Very clever.

When the guy's in the hospital bed it says: (translated from Babel so make of it what you can):
oh, the monkey this is not its preferred project, and is going to give of shouts of any way sere I the one that him of the news

:D :D Good luck!

The ants? say something like this:

"pressure and pulse is increasing"

"the reading of the atmosphere is stable no longer is danger"

Originally posted by SD4934
....With all that said, I'm still a loyal "Lost" fan.

I just figured it out!!! The plot is to leave us all LOST! :eek:

Originally posted by htevolution
Anyone with a DVR and a working knowledge of Spanish want to take a crack at what was actually happening in the comic book? Could be clues there...

I had the same thought......when Walt was reciting something in Spanish and his dad came upon him and told him he didn't know Spanish.

And I don't know about YOU GUYS.....but I started wondering whether or not Walt was reading about a plane crash on the plane itself....and then "BOOM" it happened!

Or, better yet, when Locke and Boone happened upon Claire at the end, before she appeared I was thinking that it was going to be an "invisible man" type character with a bandage on his head like the pic his dad had drawn....

Still loving this show....:p

My guess would be no real significant increase in the pace of island revelations until Season 3. This season will continue to focus on backstories with the big cliffhanger coming with a major revelation about a relationship (connection) between two of the survivors pre-island. (Jack's Dad was the original "Sawyer", Hurley actually ate Sun's dog :) , etc.)

Then next season's backstories will focus on how they were all connected to each other before getting on the plane - with gradual hints about the island. Not until the 3rd season will they have enough info about the island to have some sense about why they're there - and can start focusing on their "mission" whatever that is.

Then in season 8, the Globetrotters will make an appearance :D

since Walt has these strange abilities like having the bird kill itself, I suspect that Walt wished that the plane went down in a crash, because he was unhappy with Michael, his new dad. Kinda like the kid from the Twilight Zone movie. I sure hope is doesn't turn out that this whole story on the island is just in Walt's head.

Trying to remember back to the original episode, did Walt find the comic book in the wreckage, or did he already have it on the plane ? If he had it on the plane, possible that the comic put ideas in his head that are translating into how things are playing out in the story. All the survivors are those that Walt noticed either during the flight or getting to their seats before takeoff, and that's why they are the only ones who survived.

I disagree that nothing new was revealed in this episode except Michael & Walt's back story. We now have confirmation that Walk can manifest solid, breathing animals from his imagination when he's angry.

After Michael and Locke bonded at the end, when Walt was saved, for some reason the smile that Locke gave Michael gave me the creeps.

Originally posted by NorthJersey

Trying to remember back to the original episode, did Walt find the comic book in the wreckage, or did he already have it on the plane ?

It was in Spanish and aparrently Walt cannot read Spanish so I doubt he brought it on board with him.

Originally posted by PJO1966
I disagree that nothing new was revealed in this episode except Michael & Walt's back story. We now have confirmation that Walk can manifest solid, breathing animals from his imagination when he's angry.

After Michael and Locke bonded at the end, when Walt was saved, for some reason the smile that Locke gave Michael gave me the creeps.

Confirmation? Was there every any doubt? Sorry, we all knew the bear came from Walt's mind because of the comic book, we've been talking about it for months. Again the only new thing was that he was apparently doing it BEFORE they got to the island.

Originally posted by Iteki
Confirmation? Was there every any doubt? Sorry, we all knew the bear came from Walt's mind because of the comic book, we've been talking about it for months. Again the only new thing was that he was apparently doing it BEFORE they got to the island.

Yes. Confirmation. Before that you may not have had any doubt but it was still speculation and wasn't confirmed until this episode.

Originally posted by Iteki
Confirmation? Was there every any doubt? Sorry, we all knew the bear came from Walt's mind because of the comic book, we've been talking about it for months. Again the only new thing was that he was apparently doing it BEFORE they got to the island.

As with everything else on this show, I saw it as a theory, right up there with "they're all dead" & "the island is artificial". It carries a lot more weight for me now. Of course YMMV.

Has there been a theory based on 'telekinetic' powers put forth ('telekinetic' turned up nothing in a search)?

The research on the island either started out as, or became, based on developing telekinetic abilities in humans. There is some natural element about the island which "brings out" this ability. Maybe it is enhanced artificially (the magnetic field which is affecting the compass reading).

The researchers (the "others") seek out children with high natural levels of telekinetic ability for further research, or some other purpose. Walt was discovered to have such abilities (did the nanny had something to do with the mother's death?), as was Claire's baby.

The researchers collectively have enough telekinetic power to bring down a nearby plane, yet save a part of it. They are not interested in the adult survivors, but use the 'monster' to prevent everyone from freely wandering around (which they seem to be doing anyway).

Originally posted by PJO1966
We now have confirmation that Walk can manifest solid, breathing animals from his imagination when he's angry.



Actually, I'm not convinced that's it. Remember, the French woman talked about bears, so we should be able to assume that she was talking about the polar bears, since that's the only kind of bears we've seen.

The only "ability" Walt has actually demonstrated is being able to attract existing animals to him when he is upset. It's a very long step from that to Walt controlling everything that happens on the island with his mind.

Originally posted by PhredC
Yes. Confirmation. Before that you may not have had any doubt but it was still speculation and wasn't confirmed until this episode.

Hmmm...if that's your idea of confirmation, then I'm not sure what to say. They still didn't explicity come out and say it. It was just another incidence of the same phenomenon.

But to each their own. My point about there not being anything 'new' was that we didn't really LEARN anything that hadn't already been discussed.

I really like Michael much more now than I did before. I understand why his relationship with Walt is the way it is, and I have a great deal more sympathy for him.

I really hope they aren't just doing Dark City on a TV show. If the raft ends up bumping into a bubble I'm not going to be happy.

I don't buy the idea that it is all in Walt's head either. The back stories make no sense in that scenario nor does Locke walking.

Originally posted by joeracerx
Actually, I'm not convinced that's it. Remember, the French woman talked about bears, so we should be able to assume that she was talking about the polar bears, since that's the only kind of bears we've seen.

The only "ability" Walt has actually demonstrated is being able to attract existing animals to him when he is upset. It's a very long step from that to Walt controlling everything that happens on the island with his mind.

Good point. That would explain why the bird hit the window. He was "attracting" it to him and the window got in the way.

Originally posted by n2blu
What on earth is with all the commercial breaks during Lost? Most dramas are about 44 minutes in length minus the ads. I'm curious how much show is actually left when the commercials are edited out of Lost. Feels like we're getting around 35 minutes. :( Please forgive me if this was mentioned in one post in the previous 52 pages. ;)

Probably fits with the show ending at 9:03, gives them a few extra minutes to add more commercials!

Originally posted by PhredC
I really hope they aren't just doing Dark City on a TV show. If the raft ends up bumping into a bubble I'm not going to be happy.

I don't buy the idea that it is all in Walt's head either. The back stories make no sense in that scenario nor does Locke walking.

no matter how they end the show, if they ever do(ala x-files), no one will ever be happy

as has been stated numerous times, just watch the show and let things happen and enjoy the ride..

Originally posted by PhredC
I really hope they aren't just doing Dark City on a TV show. If the raft ends up bumping into a bubble I'm not going to be happy.

...

Nah

What would happen is any raft or other vessel would find itself constantly returning to the island. Sort of like Neo and the train station in Matrix Revolutions - possibly as an overt effect (island disappears over horizon to east and appears to west) or possibly subtle (constantly drifting/blowing back to shore).

Was Walt around when the first polar bear showed up?

I don't think so. They didn't take him along when they were looking for a better reception point.

So how did Walt conjure up the polar bear?

And now that the comic book is burned, does that mean the sci-fi island in the comic book is now gone?

Originally posted by wco81
Was Walt around when the first polar bear showed up?

I don't think so. They didn't take him along when they were looking for a better reception point.

So how did Walt conjure up the polar bear?

And now that the comic book is burned, does that mean the sci-fi island in the comic book is now gone?

he was on the beach reading the comic book just prior to the polar bear's appearance.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Then in season 8, the Globetrotters will make an appearance :D

Anyone have a guess as to when the island will get its first Starbucks?

Originally posted by NorthJersey
Trying to remember back to the original episode, did Walt find the comic book in the wreckage, or did he already have it on the plane ?I believe when questioned about it by his father, Walt mentioned he found it on the beach in the first episode. It was also mentioned he couldn't read Spanish, making this last episode the second time that was mentioned. I believe that means something and may be misdirection, despite the fact it worked as a way to appeal to his father's appreciation of graphic art.

Originally posted by joeracerx
Actually, I'm not convinced that's it. Remember, the French woman talked about bears, so we should be able to assume that she was talking about the polar bears, since that's the only kind of bears we've seen.

The only "ability" Walt has actually demonstrated is being able to attract existing animals to him when he is upset. It's a very long step from that to Walt controlling everything that happens on the island with his mind. I would expect the bears came with the research crew the French woman was part of - and escaped after everyone went loony (or she went loony) and she killed them. There are many oppurtunities for other bizarre animals to appear - including ones that have been experimented on.

Originally posted by PhredC
I really hope they aren't just doing Dark City on a TV show. If the raft ends up bumping into a bubble I'm not going to be happy. You may not have to worry about it. The whole raft situation came about as an effort to get Walt away from Locke. Now it seems Walt's father and Locke have resolved their differences and there may not be as much incentive to doing anything drastic.

Originally posted by wco81
Was Walt around when the first polar bear showed up?

I don't think so. They didn't take him along when they were looking for a better reception point.

So how did Walt conjure up the polar bear? I mentioned that point earlier in the thread. Someone suggested I watch "Forbidden Planet." Check it out and you'll see that Walt didn't have to be right there to conjure something up.

Originally posted by heywood jablomy
Anyone have a guess as to when the island will get its first Starbucks?

Judging from what I've seen, I'd guess about 2 months before they get their 2nd Starbucks.

Anyone notice on the end credits they note "Filmed in location in Oahu"?

So the island is actually in Hawaii!

Or I guess the idea is that it's an authentic tropical locale in the South Pacific.

Originally posted by Iteki
......I really like Michael much more now than I did before. I understand why his relationship with Walt is the way it is, and I have a great deal more sympathy for him.
I see a trend.;)

Originally posted by wco81
Anyone notice on the end credits they note "Filmed in location in Oahu"?

So the island is actually in Hawaii!

Or I guess the idea is that it's an authentic tropical locale in the South Pacific.

Uh....you're new to this thread aren't you? :rolleyes:

Um I've read a lot of pages of it but not all 162.

Nor do I recall all of it.

Your point?

Originally posted by NetworkTV
You may not have to worry about it. The whole raft situation came about as an effort to get Walt away from Locke. Now it seems Walt's father and Locke have resolved their differences and there may not be as much incentive to doing anything drastic.

I think the main reason that Michael wanted to leave the island is because he doesn't want Walt to grow up on the island. I think that Locke was part of the reason, but not the main one.

For those of you talking about the comic that weren't around for the beginning of this thread, the comic is Green Lantern / Flash "Faster Friends Part 1".

Originally posted by wco81
Um I've read a lot of pages of it but not all 162.

Nor do I recall all of it.

Your point?

Hawaii confirmation back in September (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4393932#post4393932)

if we can give creedence to the fact that Walt made the bird fly into the window, and consider the theory that Walt made the polar bears possible, then how about this. I already brought up the idea that Walt forced the plane down because he was upset with having to go to the US with Michael. But what about Walt actually making his mother sick & die ? Right after his mother said she couldn't help him with his homework (??) the felt faint, and soon after we find out that she died soon after.

Maybe he wished his mother to die, that's why his adopted father wanted to give him up to Michael.

So Walt is a homicidal maniac, Sawyer a con-man, Boone and his step-sister sleeping together, Charlie the drug addict, Kate the stone-cold killer, etc. Seems like the island is collecting people with some major ghosts in their closets, almost like a Purgatory theme, to make them deal with their own issues

someone mentioned that somewhere... it's entirely possible. Once he realizes that it may have happened that way, he'll need some serious therapy. I hope Dr. Jack's expertise extend to psychiatry as well...

One of the things I have problems with regarding this show is that the producers have indicated that everything means something and to pay attention to all the clues. That's great, and I love the show, but how much attention should we be paying to the fence that was noticed in an early episode or the jet contrail in a recent episode? With a weekly episodic program it is undoubtedly difficult to maintain a high production standard to avoid these bloopers but when you've taken a group of people from one environment where these things are prevalent and put them in a place where they generally don't exist where do you draw the line on what to pay attention to and what to ignore.

Yeah, I know, I'm being overly picky I guess. In any case I think it's a great show. :)

I'm expecting the dog to show up again with an injury .. like maybe a knife wound?

Originally posted by Thomas JW
I'm expecting the dog to show up again with an injury .. like maybe a knife wound?
And I'm expecting Walt to heal it.

Well I knew the show was filmed in Hawaii. But the island isn't suppose to be in Hawaii, is it?

Hey there was an inconsistency in the flashbacks. It was mostly told from Michael's POV, including before Walt was born.

But there are clearly segments in Australia, before Michael comes over to get Walt. Whose POV is that?

Originally posted by wco81
Well I knew the show was filmed in Hawaii. But the island isn't suppose to be in Hawaii, is it?


No one knows where the island is supposed to be.


Hey there was an inconsistency in the flashbacks. It was mostly told from Michael's POV, including before Walt was born.

But there are clearly segments in Australia, before Michael comes over to get Walt. Whose POV is that?

You mean whose flashbacks are those ? Still Michael's or it could be a combination of Michael's and Walt's.

Originally posted by wco81
Well I knew the show was filmed in Hawaii. But the island isn't suppose to be in Hawaii, is it?

Hey there was an inconsistency in the flashbacks. It was mostly told from Michael's POV, including before Walt was born.

But there are clearly segments in Australia, before Michael comes over to get Walt. Whose POV is that?

True....X-Files was filmed in Canada but most eps were taking place on the east coast USA. It's fiction brother.

I don't think we have confirmation that it was a polar bear last night. Locke and Michael (where was Boone?) did not mention it was a polar bear. It could have been Walt imagining a polar bear when it was actually a wild boar. Not sure if we will ever know because the characters rarely discuss anything that happens to them. And the "Walt makes things happen" quote from Brian. There must be other things we will see later on about Walt because I can't believe Brian would piss his pants over a bird flying into the window.

With all those triangles on Sayid's maps, I'm still holding out hope for them being in the Bermuda Triangle. :D

Originally posted by tall1
I don't think we have confirmation that it was a polar bear last night. Locke and Michael (where was Boone?) did not mention it was a polar bear. It could have been Walt imagining a polar bear when it was actually a wild boar.

Huh? We could clearly see it was a polar bear, as could Michael and Locke. Now, whether or not it was the dog somehow transformed by Walt's "imagination" into a polar bear is an intriguing question.

Originally posted by tall1
I don't think we have confirmation that it was a polar bear last night.From abc.go.com regarding Lost Episode 14

"Violence ensues and a mysterious island beast makes a re-appearance";)

anybody think of the significance of the names? ABC is owned by disney and we have a son that needs to be taken care of named Walt and the dad's name is Michael (anybody else seeing this).
As for the comic book, I read somewhere that there never was an english version of the comic and may never have been any version, meaning it was created for the show.
someone else has said in another forum that there was an old X-men cartoon about an island with a polar bear and a professor that gained use of his legs again.

Originally posted by optivity
From abc.go.com regarding Lost Episode 14

"Violence ensues and a mysterious island beast makes a re-appearance";) I just want to hear Locke and Michael say that it was a polar bear...they never mentioned what mysterious beast they were fighting.

Originally posted by Paul_Seng
anybody think of the significance of the names? ABC is owned by disney and we have a son that needs to be taken care of named Walt and the dad's name is Michael (anybody else seeing this).

Funny. :D I'm guessing it is just the writers poking fun at ABC/Disney...

Originally posted by Paul_Seng

As for the comic book, I read somewhere that there never was an english version of the comic and may never have been any version, meaning it was created for the show.


Yikes...does anyone read prior posts? About 15 posts before yours markdl said "For those of you talking about the comic that weren't around for the beginning of this thread, the comic is Green Lantern / Flash "Faster Friends Part 1".

And a few more posts before that was a very good synopsis of the whole story from the comic book

Originally posted by fhall1
Yikes...does anyone read prior posts?

Read prior posts? What about watching the show? I'm still reeling from the post about needing confirmation that it was a polar bear when it was shown on screen. Now I'll admit the show messes with us, but needing a character to comment on something shown on screen to believe it is a bit over the top for paranoia.

Bring it on polar bear....

Originally posted by Paul_Seng

someone else has said in another forum that there was an old X-men cartoon about an island with a polar bear and a professor that gained use of his legs again.

The Muir Island saga. Has nothing to do with Lost.

I don't think the "flashbacks" are actually flashbacks the characters are having, but just flashbacks so the audience gets to know the characters past.

Originally posted by CPanther95
One of the funniest lines of the series so far (re: the dog):

Dad to Walt: "Brian said you could have him" :D

Yeah, that was great.

I also like the way Shannon asks Boone to help her with the raft (giving him that sweet help me look), and he's like No.

Originally posted by CPanther95
One of the funniest lines of the series so far (re: the dog):

Dad to Walt: "Brian said you could have him" :D

My favorite is still:

Charlie to Kate: "I thought they were 'C's" :D [/B]

Originally posted by acourvil
My favorite is still:

Charlie to Kate: "I thought they were 'C's" :D [/B]

Missed that one....

Originally posted by acourvil
My favorite is still:

Charlie to Kate: "I thought they were 'C's" :D [/B]

That was the best so far..:D

Although Hurley has the best lines overall.

Originally posted by wiggo
Read prior posts? What about watching the show? I'm still reeling from the post about needing confirmation that it was a polar bear when it was shown on screen. Now I'll admit the show messes with us, but needing a character to comment on something shown on screen to believe it is a bit over the top for paranoia.

I was beginning to wonder if I was hallucinating about seeing the polar bear when I read those earlier posts.
:confused:

Originally posted by tall1
I don't think we have confirmation that it was a polar bear last night. Locke and Michael (where was Boone?) did not mention it was a polar bear. It could have been Walt imagining a polar bear when it was actually a wild boar.

1) In the earlier episode where they meet up with the other polar bear and shoot it one of the group asks what a polar bear is doing there.

2) The French woman told Sayid that the noises he heard "must be one of the bears" because there is no such such thing as monsters.

3) The program description mentions an animal that "shouldn't be possibly there" when refering to the bear in the earlier episodes.

Polar bears have been mentioned AND hinted at several times both on the show and in the official program desciptions, so I think we can assume the second sighting was in fact a a polar bear - at least as far as the characters were concerned. Conjured or not, the people on the island believed it.

Sometimes a polar bear is just a polar bear. I have trouble believing it might be the dog transformed considering there was another one that they shot and killed. Did Vincent have a stunt double for that? In addition, the French woman appears to have had experiences with the bears well before Walt and the dog appeared on the island.