Originally posted by R11
No offense, but previews are previews. They come on right after the show for all to see and as has been mentioned by many, in this show they many times are purposely misleading anyway. They give people stuff to talk about and conjecture over. Sometimes I think the "complete absence of any knowledge whatsoever" about future ep is a little over the top. I mean really, people not even wanting to read the tv guide descriptions for the next show? Some things just can't be agreed to :). Sorry...

ron

I agree with you, but would it kill us to put such things in spoiler tags?

You have to draw the line somewhere. The consensus seems to be (and the most logical) anything that has aired is fair game. Future descriptions, or any other details that came outside of the actual airing of the show are considered spoilers. (Articles, Actor interviews, etc.)

Originally posted by Iteki
I agree with you, but would it kill us to put such things in spoiler tags?
Anything aired is worthy of spoiler-tag free discussion. It's as simple as that. If you dont like it, leave the thread. Almost everybody watches the previews. They come on right after the show airs. If its good enough to be shown by ABC to people before the next episode, then its good enough to talk about here.

quote:Originally posted by Iteki
I agree with you, but would it kill us to put such things in spoiler tags?

Originally posted by neoufo51
Anything aired is worthy of spoiler-tag free discussion. It's as simple as that. If you dont like it, leave the thread. Almost everybody watches the previews. They come on right after the show airs. If its good enough to be shown by ABC to people before the next episode, then its good enough to talk about here.

Dude, what part of I agree with you did you not get? :-) My question was that since there are some who don't want to know anything about it, would it kill people to put spoiler tags on them. I'm a keep the peace kinda guy. :-)

Originally posted by neoufo51
Anything aired is worthy of spoiler-tag free discussion. It's as simple as that. If you dont like it, leave the thread. Almost everybody watches the previews. They come on right after the show airs. If its good enough to be shown by ABC to people before the next episode, then its good enough to talk about here.

Agreed...if it was already shown...it's not a spoiler....it's a teaser!

Originally posted by Iteki
quote:Originally posted by Iteki
I agree with you, but would it kill us to put such things in spoiler tags?



Dude, what part of I agree with you did you not get? :-) My question was that since there are some who don't want to know anything about it, would it kill people to put spoiler tags on them. I'm a keep the peace kinda guy. :-)

Well I'm going to be a talk about the previews without the spoiler-tag kinda guy. ;)

Originally posted by neoufo51
Well I'm going to be a talk about the previews without the spoiler-tag kinda guy. ;)

No worries, bigger fish to fry in the world!

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/02/01/iraq.hostage/index.html

FREE CODY!

Originally posted by NorthJersey
didn't watch last night's repeat, thus I missed the coming attractions. Where the heck would they have found a body bag on the island ?

It's a blanket they are using. At least that's what it looked like to me.

Free Cody... that was so wrong. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by dlan
I notice that Jack is not mentioned in any of the upcoming episodes beyond the next episode at tvtome

I said that a while ago, I think it is he who gets killed off. The previews for next week show make me think it all the more so....

Originally posted by dlan
I notice that Jack is not mentioned in any of the upcoming episodes beyond the next episode at tvtome

I said that a few pages ago, I think it is he who gets killed off. The previews for next week show make me think it all the more so....

That would be dumb. That would be the producers thinking they're being ballsy by killing a main character.

Then again, I guess it's Kate who's the big bustout star out of this show.

Hello? Is this thing on? I listed the characters that were mentioned in upcoming episodes above. From TV Tome:16. Outlaws

Kate and Sawyer divulge dark secrets to each other while tracking a renegade boar that Sawyer swears is purposely harassing him. Meanwhile, Hurley and Sayid worry that Charlie is losing it after his brush with death, and a shocking, prior connection between Sawyer and Jack is revealed.

18. Numbers

When Hurley becomes obsessed with the French woman and heads into the jungle to find her, Jack, Sayid and Charlie have no choice but to follow. Meanwhile, Locke asks Claire to help build a mysterious item.There is also a mention of another show about that character later.

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
Hello? Is this thing on? I listed the characters that were mentioned in upcoming episodes above. From TV Tome:16. Outlaws

Kate and Sawyer divulge dark secrets to each other while tracking a renegade boar that Sawyer swears is purposely harassing him. Meanwhile, Hurley and Sayid worry that Charlie is losing it after his brush with death, and a shocking, prior connection between Sawyer and Jack is revealed.

18. Numbers

When Hurley becomes obsessed with the French woman and heads into the jungle to find her, Jack, Sayid and Charlie have no choice but to follow. Meanwhile, Locke asks Claire to help build a mysterious item.There is also a mention of another show about that character later.
Yay. Thanks for that info.

02/04 - J.J. Abrams told SCI FI Wire that he's already coming up with ideas for a second season. "We obviously know what we're doing for the rest of this year. "There isn't one answer to everything," Abrams said. "It's, like, this island has an amazing history that we've talked about, and things will change as we go, it always does. "Every flashback makes reference to something else," he said. "So you'll get a beginning, middle and end of that flashback story. If we get to do the story that we anticipate doing, there's a big thing and a big payoff.

Originally posted by neoufo51


02/04 - J.J. Abrams told SCI FI ....... If we get to do the story that we anticipate doing, there's a big thing and a big payoff.

Probably at the season finale of season #7 - the magic year for the big syndication bucks.

Originally posted by Buji
Well, I guess I'm done reading this thread. I thought there was a 'gentlemen's agreement' not to disclose stuff from the previews.

Let us just say for a moment that we wanted to help you here with the spoiler tags for preview info. How then does one participate in a thread where the previews are in spoilers without inadvertingly reading spoilers that are true spoilers?

You see, there is only one spoiler tag and two levels of spoilers - ones that are common knowledge that you don't want to know and ones that are not common knowledge. It seems to me that if you want to avoid any info from the previews you would be unlikely to join in a thread discussion like this.

Just my $0.02

It must have been said before.....On this island, will killing off a character really be the last we see of them?

Originally posted by StormCrow
It must have been said before.....On this island, will killing off a character really be the last we see of them?

We would likely at least see them dead briefly. ;)

Jack's on Letterman right now.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Jack's on Letterman right now. Was it Jack who appeared on Letterman or Matthew Fox?:)

Both. ;)

and he said...

They are definitely not in purgatory

Originally posted by optivity
Was it Jack who appeared on Letterman or Matthew Fox?:)

When he does something else that I watch, he'll be Matthew Fox - until then he's just Jack to me. :)

Shannon(Maggie Grace) was a featured guest star on an episode of Law and Order: SVU which aired as a repeat this week. It was actually a very good episode. It touched on teen marriage, First Amendment rights, obscenity in the media and right-leaning censorship groups.

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/GuidePageServlet/showid-334/epid-338480/
Law & Order: Special Victims Unit: Obscene - TV Tome

Originally posted by CPanther95
When he does something else that I watch, he'll be Matthew Fox - until then he's just Jack to me. :) Precisely, that was the reason I made my last post.;)

Originally posted by keenan
Shannon(Maggie Grace) was a featured guest star on an episode of Law and Order: SVU which aired as a repeat this week. It was actually a very good episode. It touched on teen marriage, First Amendment rights, obscenity in the media and right-leaning censorship groups.

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/GuidePageServlet/showid-334/epid-338480/
Law & Order: Special Victims Unit: Obscene - TV Tome
We saw that the other night. I recognized "Shannon" immediately, the wife didn't, imagine that!! http://www.emotipad.com/newemoticons/Hypocrit.gif

Originally posted by dmbatch
Both. ;)

and he said...

They are definitely not in purgatory And he also said that the cast was "totally in the dark" about the "master plan" of JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof, so he really doesn't know anything.

^Thats not really a spoiler. Everybody knows that the cast is totally in the dark about JJ's master plan for the show. JJ himself said that they won't even know who dies this season until the very last minute. Maggie Grace herself told us on the forums that when they get the scripts, there is a huge rush to read them because the cast members feel as if anybody could die in any episode.

By the way, Jorge Garcia told us about something that the cast does that really got my eyebrows raised. Somebody asked him about Matthew Fox.
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BiggestLostFan: I read in an article that Matthew was a nudist and often walks around the set nude is that true Jorge

ThinkImGonnaHurley: Not exactly but the cast has gone skinny dipping on occasion.
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...god I want to be in the Lost cast so bad...

OT: I saw a commercial on TV tonight about a chat line that had Evangeline Lilly as the girl talking on the phone, she must have been 5 or so years younger.

Originally posted by neoufo51

BiggestLostFan: I read in an article that Matthew was a nudist and often walks around the set nude is that true Jorge

ThinkImGonnaHurley: Not exactly but the cast has gone skinny dipping on occasion.
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Yeah. I saw in the paper his wife said she was gonna leave him if it didn't stop because she didn't want him being naked around shannon and Kate.

Originally posted by Deric
Yeah. I saw in the paper his wife said she was gonna leave him if it didn't stop because she didn't want him being naked around shannon and Kate.

I put the over/under on that relationship at about 8 months.

Originally posted by neoufo51
By the way, Jorge Garcia told us about something that the cast does that really got my eyebrows raised. Somebody asked him about Matthew Fox.
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BiggestLostFan: I read in an article that Matthew was a nudist and often walks around the set nude is that true Jorge

ThinkImGonnaHurley: Not exactly but the cast has gone skinny dipping on occasion.
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...god I want to be in the Lost cast so bad... Dude, it would be your luck to wind up swimming au naturel with Jorge Garcia!:eek: Sorry, but that idea doesn't sound too appealing. Originally posted by Deric
Yeah. I saw in the paper his wife said she was gonna leave him if it didn't stop because she didn't want him being naked around shannon and Kate. Originally posted by CPanther95
I put the over/under on that relationship at about 8 months. Oh no! Not another Hollywood marriage gone bust!:(

Dude, it would be your luck to wind up swimming au naturel with Jorge Garcia!:eek: Sorry, but that idea doesn't sound too appealing.

But it might sound appealing to him, you don't know!

Originally posted by optivity
Dude, it would be your luck to wind up swimming au naturel with Jorge Garcia!:eek: Sorry, but that idea doesn't sound too appealing. Oh no! Not another Hollywood marriage gone bust!:(
Damn it. Should've made my myself more clear. The chance of being in that cast to see Evangeline Lilly, Maggie Grace, and Emilie de Ravin all wet and and exposed...yum.

By the way...
Emilie de Ravin on Jimmy Kimmel Feb 7

Also, I got a nice juicy spoiler for you guys. This picture is from Episode 18, Numbers. Be warned, if you click, you will spoil an interesting development.
---Spoiler Alert---

How do you guy's obtain this advanced information? From what I know of these characters through episode 14 I'm not thrilled about what your jpg implies.

Originally posted by neoufo51
Also, I got a nice juicy spoiler for you guys. This picture is from Episode 18, Numbers. Be warned, if you click, you will spoil an interesting development.
---Spoiler Alert---

That picture doesn't spoil anything..

"Hold still, you've got a goober in your left eye - I'll get it." :)

Will it be a new episode this week? Or a rerun?

Originally posted by paul watkins
Will it be a new episode this week? Or a rerun? New

New... with a death! How exciting. :p

Originally posted by neoufo51
Also, I got a nice juicy spoiler for you guys. This picture is from Episode 18, Numbers. Be warned, if you click, you will spoil an interesting development.
---Spoiler Alert---

You couldn't see that coming???

Originally posted by seldenpat
You couldn't see that coming???
I did, but not everybody thinks it will happen.

Well, that may or may not happen. After all, we did see one character dead from "the monster" in previews and we all know how that turned out.

Originally posted by neoufo51
Also, I got a nice juicy spoiler for you guys. This picture is from Episode 18, Numbers. Be warned, if you click, you will spoil an interesting development.
---Spoiler Alert---

Surprise, surprise. I think you could see that coming. no?

Originally posted by neoufo51
Also, I got a nice juicy spoiler for you guys. This picture is from Episode 18, Numbers. Be warned, if you click, you will spoil an interesting development.
---Spoiler Alert---
I think the spoiler info in that picture has to do with the fact that the guys t-shirt is so white! I mean, how are we expected to believe that their clothes could still be so clean, unless they had access to laundry service and some bleach!

:D

Originally posted by JayDog_2
I think the spoiler info in that picture has to do with the fact that the guys t-shirt is so white! I mean, how are we expected to believe that their clothes could still be so clean, unless they had access to laundry service and some bleach!

:D JayDog, you should know by now that anything is possible on Lost!:D

Kinda reminds me of Die Hard... (in relation to t-shirt dirtiness)

His started out white, and went to a babysh!t green about halfway through the movie... :) ...and that was only within a couple hours! (movie time)

Even if they are 'cleaning' their clothes somehow, maybe in a stream or the ocean... they would definitelly start turning an earthy color....

Eh.. I'll get over it though.... ;)

As Locke said, if you want something the island will provide it. All you have to do is give something up. Apparently Sayyid has given up dirt.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
As Locke said, if you want something the island will provide it. All you have to do is give something up. Apparently Sayyid has given up dirt. I wouldn't mind seeing Shannon & Kate giving up certain articles of their clothing!:D

You must be thinking this is on HBO or something...

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
You must be thinking this is on HBO or something... I'm being realistic, that's why I asked for certain and not all articles of clothing be removed, to keep Lost real the cast (at least the hot babes) should reflect by their wardrobe the tropical climate and that clothes do wear out.

Well, sadly there is plenty of other clothing in the suitcases that were salvaged. All those girls have to do is get it on with Sawyer for a little something new to wear...

Originally posted by JayDog_2
I think the spoiler info in that picture has to do with the fact that the guys t-shirt is so white! I mean, how are we expected to believe that their clothes could still be so clean, unless they had access to laundry service and some bleach!

:D

They fall out of the plane, down 35,000 feet to the earth, and live......now you are complaining about clean clothes not being credible.

Gary

Well, JJ Abrams said that every little detail is important...!

And who said I was complaining? I was making a joke... :)

We don't know that they were at 35,000 feet when the tail broke off. They could have been descending because of other problems prior to that point. My recollection is that when the tail broke off, it went back and up, meaning the plane was already headed downward. Nowhere does the show say the altitude the plane was at when the tail broke off unless I missed something.

MAJOR SPOILER about tonight's episode!
Got it straight from AintitCoolNews and from what I see, its going to be very exciting! Click below to find out what is "pretty frigging wicked" about tonight's episode.

TWO die tonight! “And one of the deaths,” we are told by a highly reliable source, “is pretty frigging wicked.”
But none of the regulars die tonight.
We hear that one of the deaths belongs to Steve (of “Steve & Scott” fame). The other death is unspecified, but if were I a betting man I’d bet on Claire’s kidnapper, Ethan Rom.
Because Ethan Rom, the other man, knows too much. And because he knows too much, the creators want him dead.

I'm just glad there's a new episode tonight... regardless of someone kicking the bucket, or not

At least we'll have something new to talk about here... ;)

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Kinda reminds me of Die Hard... (in relation to t-shirt dirtiness)

His started out white, and went to a babysh!t green about halfway through the movie... :) ...and that was only within a couple hours! (movie time)

Even if they are 'cleaning' their clothes somehow, maybe in a stream or the ocean... they would definitelly start turning an earthy color....

Eh.. I'll get over it though.... ;)

Don't forget all the luggage around. It has to have some clean clothes in it. Just remember Ginger and Mrs. Howell. They always had clean outfits. :)

I'm just waiting for when their clothes start getting worn and start falling apart...

I can see it now... mere rags covering Kate... :)

Maybe by season 2 or 3?

Originally posted by JayDog_2
I'm just waiting for when their clothes start getting worn and start falling apart...

I can see it now... mere rags covering Kate... :)

Maybe by season 2 or 3?

You're in for a long wait. Rousseau has been there for 16 years, and her clothes still aren't worn... not that I want to see her in that state.

cant wait for the new episode! that spoiler has me thinking now

Originally posted by JayDog_2
I'm just waiting for when their clothes start getting worn and start falling apart...
Yeah I was wishing that too but they have a LOT of luggage. I'm sure they have clothes for another 10 years or so.

I can see it now... mere rags covering Kate... :)

Maybe by season 2 or 3?
Ummm...I can imagine her wearing nothing but two pistachio shells and a strip of bacon...hehe.

Imagine her and Maggie Grace frolicking in the waterfall...Oh man...

(I love Emilie de Ravin too, but she's pregnant on the show so no go)

Originally posted by neoufo51
(I love Emilie de Ravin too, but she's pregnant on the show so no go)
... are you sure? ;)

based on the quick preview, looked like she 'lost' the big belly....

Originally posted by JayDog_2
... are you sure? ;)

based on the quick preview, looked like she 'lost' the big belly....
Nope, the girl is still prego. That's why Ethan wants her in the first place you know.

Originally posted by stephenC
Don't forget all the luggage around. It has to have some clean clothes in it. Just remember Ginger and Mrs. Howell. They always had clean outfits. :) Ah... yes, but they had the Professor to come up with handy ideas/inventions to keep things clean.:D

Well, John Locke seems pretty handy. I bet he can come up with a cleaning machine. :)

Wow.. this is kinda off-topic, but...

I just clicked on the number of replies in the thread view to see how many posts out of the 3500+ are mine... (never tried before or knew you could do this...)

Lets just say, I think I'll let some others do the talking for ahwile... :D

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Wow.. this is kinda off-topic, but...

I just clicked on the number of replies in the thread view to see how many posts out of the 3500+ are mine... (never tried before or knew you could do this...)

Lets just say, I think I'll let some others do the talking for ahwile... :D

I know...I noticed this a while back. Lost represents almost half my total posts since I joined. :-) At least noone can accuse you of lurking :-)


JayDog_2 160
hefe 136
keenan 134
Iteki 126
CPanther95 117
optivity 99
tall1 80
PJO1966 77
NetworkTV 72
maxman 66
labmansid 62
wco81 51
dmbatch 50
NorthJersey 50

Originally posted by stephenC
Well, John Locke seems pretty handy. I bet he can come up with a cleaning machine. :)

Maybe that hatch is front loading washing machine buried front side up. ;)

Anyone here about the season 1 cliffhanger Episode???

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Wow.. this is kinda off-topic, but...Very effective way to boost your post count ;)
<< See? ;)

Originally posted by Iteki
I know...I noticed this a while back. Lost represents almost half my total posts since I joined. :-) At least noone can accuse you of lurking :-)


JayDog_2 160
hefe 136
keenan 134<<<<<<<<<
Iteki 126
CPanther95 117
optivity 99
tall1 80
PJO1966 77
NetworkTV 72
maxman 66
labmansid 62
wco81 51
dmbatch 50
NorthJersey 50

Wow, I would never have guessed it would be that many..:p

Originally posted by keenan
Wow, I would never have guessed it would be that many..:p
How do you think I feel?

Of course one consolation is that I've been active in this thread from page 1....
So roughly one post per page (of 20 posts each)... that makes me feel a little better.. ;)

OK, enough trying to boost your post counts with off-topic comments.

That's generally frowned upon.

...oh, and it adds nothing to the topic at hand.

Your cooperation is appreciated.

:D

^ You're too much... ;)

He's just jealous...:D :p

Hey, I've been here since page three and I've only got 38, er, 39 now I guess. Even that many surprises the heck out of me. All I can say is Woo Hoo! It's Wednesday 2/9 finally! Was the last new ep only three weeks ago? Seems like it's been ages...

ron

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Wow.. this is kinda off-topic, but...

I just clicked on the number of replies in the thread view to see how many posts out of the 3500+ are mine... (never tried before or knew you could do this...)

Lets just say, I think I'll let some others do the talking for ahwile... :D JayDog... You're welcome to post up those hot pictures of the Lost babes any time you wish.:)

Uh-oh, I've slipped out of the top 10! :( Look out, maxman!!

Bring it on, labmansid!

TOO MANY F-ING COMMERCIALS!!!

CHARLEY!

Originally posted by seldenpat
TOO MANY F-ING COMMERCIALS!!!

They pay for the show we enjoy! :mad:

show must cost alot more than any other show ;)

It is filmed in Hawaii! I costs a lot to have a production there.

all i can say i love the line "the medics pulled out my fathers case and it still smelled of your sick" lol good episode next week looks even better

Originally posted by sayanythingrock
all i can say i love the line "the medics pulled out my fathers case and it still smelled of your sick" lol good episode next week looks even better

Sucks, only a few more episodes left this season..

I say they should turn this into a Soap opera format. and have it every day Monday - Friday!

Hope it goes on DVD w/ Commentaries at the end of the season....


:p

Did anyone catch the reference to the BBC's 'The Office'? Charlie's flashback girl said her dad was "probably out buying some paper company in Slough." Cool!

hell yes i did ... didn't know if it was really a reference or just a coincedence ... AFAIK none of the actors/creators were involved with the office?

but was anyone else disapointed with tonight's episode? i was. I guess it's my fault for actually expecting some plot developement or for a question or two to be answered.

The sound during the sling shot was almost worthy of reference quality status.

I guess Ethan wasn't so tough after all. Jack definitely kicked his ass.

Charlie said the reason he did it was Claire, but if someone had lynched me I probably would have done the same thing. The thing I don't believe is that if he had never fired a handgun before he would have such a tight little grouping. People normally aren't that accurate the first time they fire a 9mm.

Originally posted by CPanther95
The sound during the sling shot was almost worthy of reference quality status.
Yes, I was pretty impressed by that, also. Made me feel like ducking!:)

Originally posted by dmbatch
I guess Ethan wasn't so tough after all. Jack definitely kicked his ass.

Charlie said the reason he did it was Claire, but if someone had lynched me I probably would have done the same thing. The thing I don't believe is that if he had never fired a handgun before he would have such a tight little grouping. People normally aren't that accurate the first time they fire a 9mm.

Yeah, there went my 'enhanced' theory down the tubes :-(

:-)

Leave it to the messed up junkie to kill off the only person who might be able to tell them where they are and what the **** is going on.

I hope they don't think that just because Ethan is dead (or is he really ;) ) that Claire or anyone else is out of danger.

Originally posted by Iteki
Leave it to the messed up junkie to kill of the only person who might be able to tell them where they are and what the **** is going on.

Leave it to the messed up junkie to kill of the only person who might be able to tell US where they are and what the **** is going on.


.... and Jack had to kick his ass after that comment by Locke that he was "bested physically" by Ethan.

Gee Charlie probably thought he was taking care of a woman, in contrast to his previous failure.

But him shooting out of control was like when he puked on that copier.

Originally posted by wco81
Gee Charlie probably thought he was taking care of a woman, in contrast to his previous failure.

But him shooting out of control was like when he puked on that copier.

I'm all for letting Sayid go Medieval on his a$$ to get the info they need....THEN shoot him :-)

But they didn't consult me :-(

all I know is there needs to be some more closure before the end of the season. I expect a huge cliffhanger at season end ... but that cliffhanger needs to be fueled/created by some previous closure.

If shows do nothing but continue to raise more questions they get old fast.

On a side note ... I wouldn't mind if Jack were the one to get killed next. His character is starting to bug me ... he's too damn calm all the time. Look at the way he handled charlie after killing ethan ... charlie claims ethan wouldn't have told them anything ... we all KNOW Sayid could MAKE him talk.

p.s. where the hell did charlie get the gun anyway?

Originally posted by jackshakes
p.s. where the hell did charlie get the gun anyway?

It's the one Jack dropped

Originally posted by jackshakes
p.s. where the hell did charlie get the gun anyway?

Jack dropped his gun in the fight.

Originally posted by jackshakes
p.s. where the hell did charlie get the gun anyway?

Jack dropped it when he tackled Ethan.

Originally posted by aaronwt
Jack dropped it when he tackled Ethan.

ECHO....is this thing on? :-)

Since no one else is answering, it got knocked out of Jack's hand when he started fighting with Ethan.

I guess we all posted within the 60 seconds of 12:34.

BTW, does Jack know that Kate is probably better with the gun than any of them?

Originally posted by wco81
BTW, does Jack know that Kate is probably better with the gun than any of them?

I don't think ANY of them have the slightest clue about her gun-handling ability. She deliberately faked ignorance during the polar bear incident.

Originally posted by jackshakes
but was anyone else disapointed with tonight's episode? I was disappointed too. As the kids say, keepin' it real....it wasn't that interesting. More of an "action" stand alone episode. It just didn't advance the storyline one bit. The Charlie backstory was a complete waste of time...sorry, I have never watched the Office before so I missed the obscure homage to that Brit sitcom.

Originally posted by CPanther95
The sound during the sling shot was almost worthy of reference quality status.

Absolutely, one of the coolest uses of surround I've heard on a TV show...

Oh, and Charlie used the gun Jack dropped...:p :D

So they killed a Red Shirt and Ethan. The Red Shirt was named Scott and Hurley called him "Steve", or maybe vice-versa. He was such a major character I can't even remember what he looked like.

Gary

Originally posted by tall1
I was disappointed too. As the kids say, keepin' it real....it wasn't that interesting. More of an "action" stand alone episode. It just didn't advance the storyline one bit. The Charlie backstory was a complete waste of time...sorry, I have never watched the Office before so I missed the obscure homage to that Brit sitcom.
I agree. It wasn't really a good episode. I think Sawyer and Hurley's eps next week will be a lot better. Locke will have another ep so that should be pretty interesting. But yeah, basically this episode was "keep the viewers in the loop" time for the producers since nobody will find out anything about Claire's dissapearance or anything.

Basically the only exciting part of tonight's episode was Jin getting hit by the slingshot and Charlie being threatened by Ethan.

I don't even know that the red shirt constitutes a character. He was maybe visible in the background at some point, but I doubt he ever had a line of dialog.

So someone is still yet to die this season.

Originally posted by Iteki
Yeah, there went my 'enhanced' theory down the tubes :-(

Ethan was effortlessly holding Charlie off the ground with one hand. I think that's still pretty enhanced (even if it was a Hobbit :)). Which suggests that the Jack of the 2nd fight is not quite the same as the Jack of the 1st fight. He did basically will Charlie back to life in between.

Originally posted by seldenpat
TOO MANY F-ING COMMERCIALS!!!

That is what HD TIVO is for:D I am not sure if I missed this somewhere along the way but where did Ethan come from the name rings a bell but that is about it.

Wasn't Scott (Steve) seen in the golf course episode quite a bit? In fact, wasn't he seen with Ethan?

I got the latest TV Guide yesterday. It says the first season will be released next Sept. on DVD. They probably want to release it while it's still hot. I was hoping it would be released on HD-DVD, maybe it still will be.

Originally posted by steverobertson
That is what HD TIVO is for:D I am not sure if I missed this somewhere along the way but where did Ethan come from the name rings a bell but that is about it.


He was planted with the survivors when they crashed. The castaways thought he was one of them till they went over the planes crew & passenger manifest.

Originally posted by scanpa
He was planted with the survivors when they crashed. The castaways thought he was one of them till they went over the planes crew & passenger manifest.

Thanks I just couldn't remember but I guess now that he is dead it won't matter or is he really dead???

I thought this was the weakest episode by far. I have such high expectations of the backstories now. Charlie's last night was rather boring. Oh, well, they can't all be major twists and revelations.

anyone know how many more episodes there are before the season is over? tvtome reports 6 more? if thats true i want some damn answers or i dont see myself tuning in for s2

Originally posted by dmbatch
Wasn't Scott (Steve) seen in the golf course episode quite a bit? In fact, wasn't he seen with Ethan?



Yes, I think he played a hypochondriac in that episode, Jack was treating him for a rash. Then at the end of the episode he walks up on the guys playing golf and asks if he can play.


On another note, did it appear to anyone else that Ethan popped up from underground in the last scene with Claire? He rose up from between two trees.

Also, did anyone catch the Jimmy Kimmel show last night? He was on the island with the cast members doing a spoof. I missed it.

I think they just wanted to deadend the Ethan Rom thing. Now they don't have this malevolent presence in the show any more and they didn't want to reveal who he was, why he wanted Claire, etc.

Originally posted by auburn97
On another note, did it appear to anyone else that Ethan popped up from underground in the last scene with Claire? He rose up from between two trees.

thats why hes ethan ;)

Originally posted by auburn97
Also, did anyone catch the Jimmy Kimmel show last night? He was on the island with the cast members doing a spoof. I missed it.
saw the preview and i wanted to see it too but fell asleep

Originally posted by David_Hanlon
Ethan was effortlessly holding Charlie off the ground with one hand. I think that's still pretty enhanced (even if it was a Hobbit :)). Which suggests that the Jack of the 2nd fight is not quite the same as the Jack of the 1st fight. He did basically will Charlie back to life in between.

That's an interesting possibility...

But, it's more likely that Jack is better off physically than he was when he was "bested" by Ethan the first time.

Hadn't he just recovered from an injury (dislocated shoulder?) then?

they should of made lost for the big screen or a made for tv movie with parts, ex: part 1 on monday, part 2 tuesday, etc... its moving entirely to slow:

couple of episodes then reruns, new episodes and more reruns, now a new episode with nothing to add to an answer to anything. i'm to inpateint to keep getting strung along for a hr each week with no closure. its driving me mad.

i can't belive i'm going to watch next week and the week after that. dam, i can't look away.

What gets me is not only wasn't the story advanced, it actually went backwards to the point of no Ethan and Claire returned. It's as if the only thing of relevence in the past 5 episodes is the hatch that Locke and Boone found.

So we have a French lady on the island (Episode 9 - and no urge to track her down for some answers) and a hatch on the island. Aside from that, they could have crashed yesterday.

Still hooked, but not sure for how long.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Still hooked, but not sure for how long.


My feelings as well. Though my interest is diminishing each week and at this rate I probably won't be a regular in season 2.

Anyone know what the overnight ratings are?

Originally posted by Iteki
I'm all for letting Sayid go Medieval on his a$$ to get the info they need....THEN shoot him :-)

But they didn't consult me :-(

True, but if Ethan actually talked that would have answered far too many questions. Where would the writers be then? ;)

There is a lot of impatience for what is supposed to be idle entertainment. I often get that way when reading a good book-I will skim until I get to the end rather than take my time and enjoy the writing.

I am not going to make that mistake with this show-one of the few worth watching. I don't even really care what happens plot-wise. I am just going to sit back and enjoy the performances. Locke has become my favorite character and in last night's episode he gave the most devilish smile after Jack handed him the gun. That would not give me confidence that I had just made a prudent decision!

Originally posted by htevolution
True, but if Ethan actually talked that would have answered far too many questions. Where would the writers be then? ;)

That's the real problem though. When the plots moves back like this, it's an obvious writer's scheme to leave us in the dark a little longer. In other words, Charlie didn't kill Ethan because the writers thought that was a good idea, they had Charlie kill Ethan so they could leave us in the dark.

I HOPE that means that they know where they are going with this, and are just stringing us along a little more. It would be terrible if they had NO IDEA where they are going with this and are stalling for time.

Either way, obvious writer's fixes like this take me OUTSIDE the show, and I'd rather not do that. It's like seeing a Microphone Boom make it's way into the scene of the movie. :-(

Of course despite all that, this show along with 24 and Desperate Housewives (cringe), is still one of my favorite shows of the season.

Originally posted by sfb
There is a lot of impatience for what is supposed to be idle entertainment. I often get that way when reading a good book-I will skim until I get to the end rather than take my time and enjoy the writing.

I am not going to make that mistake with this show-one of the few worth watching. I don't even really care what happens plot-wise. I am just going to sit back and enjoy the performances. Locke has become my favorite character and in last night's episode he gave the most devilish smile after Jack handed him the gun. That would not give me confidence that I had just made a prudent decision!
Exactly. I just enjoy watching the show. I love the back stories, the developing interaction between the characters, and the unknown of what (if anything) is going to happen next.

It is much better to me than all the l&o/csi type shows where you can figure out whodunnit about 5 minutes into each episode.

This lack of patience and the need for action all the time is why movies like "Hotel Rwanda" make $11 mil in 7 weeks and "Boogeyman" makes $19 mil in one weekend.

One of my favorite recent movies is "Lost in Translation". The was very little plot to that movie but the character development made the movie great.

As always, that's just my opinion and I could be wrong.

I don't think that the back story had no purpose. At the end of the segment, she asks Charlie why he took the job and he replies that it is so he can be respectable and take care of her. She replies that he will never be able to take care of anybody.

Its a reoccurring theme with Charlie, in the beginning he tries to protect his brother from drugs, and fails and falls with him, he tries to "be respectable" with this girl and fails, he tries to be there for Claire and fails yet again. So this time he does something about it.
Seems logical to me, though I would have liked Ethan to let out some cryptic "teaser" last words. Charlie now has closure.

The whole Claire and Ethan sub-plot is not completely dead either. She did remember "peanut butter" which shows she may have the capacity to remember. maybe she'll start having flash backs? And according to the french woman there are the "others" which it was speculated Ethan was part of.

Additionally, now the guns are "out of the bag" and fuels next weeks episode.

I say ..... Good episode ....

Originally posted by sfb
There is a lot of impatience for what is supposed to be idle entertainment. I often get that way when reading a good book-I will skim until I get to the end rather than take my time and enjoy the writing.


Usually I would agree with you ... people these days tend to care too much about action and not enough about content (why else would movies like XXX do any good?).

It's always good to have unanswered questions where a little piece of the puzzle is revealed at a time. However this show, in my opinion, is raising too many questions and not revealing much. For every piece of the puzzle we get, 10 more holes are made.

There's just so many questions right now ... There's of course the obvious questions that won't be answered until the show ends .. like what caused the plane to crash? what's the complete deal with the island?

But then there's all the questions about the french woman ... and ethan ... and that hatch locke found ... the polar bear ... the monster ... the electrical cable (why was it going into the ocean? where does it go?) ...

and then there's a ton of trivial questions.

If the show would start answering more of the trivial questions it'd be easier to let the larger ones go for a while.

On another note ... was Walt or Michael in this episode at all?

If the show would start answering more of the trivial questions it'd be easier to let the larger ones go for a while.

I am willing to trust that the writers will resolve all the questions eventually. In the meantime, I am enjoying the characters.

One of my favorite recent movies is "Lost in Translation". The was very little plot to that movie but the character development made the movie great.

This was one of my favorites as well and is similar to Lost in that it places different people together who would otherwise never interact. And we get to sit back and watch it play out.

No one has mentioned yet that whoever killed Scott/Steve approached from the water rather than the jungle.

There is pretty consistently moderate to heavy surf in the background of the beach scenes (though there for a couple weeks it was significantly bigger). That stuff's not easy to swim through...especially with all the rocks, etc. Whether it's Ethan or someone else, we're not talking about some normal "man on the street."

Originally posted by jackshakes
On another note ... was Walt or Michael in this episode at all?

Yes, they were among the Looky-Loos around Claire when she was brought back. Then they disappeared for the remainder of the episode.

Now that the guns are out, I think we might see more island exploring.

I loved it when Jack asked Locke to track him down and Locke said he wouldn't.

Other questions - where is Alex? We don't even know if Alex is male or female. As to the mention of seeing the Frenchwoman a little more, here are some better pics of how she looks when she cleans up. Not as hot as the others, but not bad either.


http://home.att.net/~Snatcher100/B5/mirabw4.jpg

http://www.scifistar.com/sciimages/furlan-mira.jpg

Originally posted by htevolution
No one has mentioned yet that whoever killed Scott/Steve approached from the water rather than the jungle.

There is pretty consistently moderate to heavy surf in the background of the beach scenes (though there for a couple weeks it was significantly bigger). That stuff's not easy to swim through...especially with all the rocks, etc. Whether it's Ethan or someone else, we're not talking about some normal "man on the street."

Yeah, I had considered that too when they were setting up their perimeter. I wondered if they needed to watch from the water side, and decided no, the surf was too heavy. (oops)

It could be as simple as Ethan having a zodiac boat (fairly quiet one of course).

How about that Boone, always trying to be the hero, always screwing up (falling asleep on guard duty).

Yeah, when I saw Locke put his hand on that gun and smile, I said "that's not a good thing" :-)

On the comments on why no one has seeked out the French woman again, think of it this way...she's a crazed loner with a hunting rifle, drugs, boobey traps and won't think twice about shocking someone to get information out of them.

Oh yea, I want to go looking for her... though the appearence of the guns may change that..

Originally posted by Iteki

How about that Boone, always trying to be the hero, always screwing up (falling asleep on guard duty).


Yeah, Boone's a real trooper. Staring into the fire when on sentry duty always seems like a good idea until you have to look out into the dark jungle ;)

Originally posted by Bassman134
On the comments on why no one has seeked out the French woman again, think of it this way...she's a crazed loner with a hunting rifle, drugs, boobey traps and won't think twice about shocking someone to get information out of them.

Oh yea, I want to go looking for her... though the appearence of the guns may change that..

LOL good point

And lets not forget the fact that she killed her ENTIRE research team.

Is it me or was Jack the most illogical person possible to be in the "gun gang?" And then he's the one that goes one-on-one with Ethan!

He's the only medical person. He's their defacto leader. And he hasn't been shown to be a guy who's used guns...

At the 8:35pm ET mark, I was like, "Whoa, glad you could join us for this week's episode, Hurley and Sawyer!":confused: And I think the dog had more screen time than Michael and his son.

Originally posted by drkashner
I got the latest TV Guide yesterday. It says the first season will be released next Sept. on DVD. They probably want to release it while it's still hot. I was hoping it would be released on HD-DVD, maybe it still will be.

A September release is about right, TV shows are released on DVD just before the new season starts, and I doubt it will be on HD-DVD, wont be anything to play it on.

I enjoyed this episode more than some of the recent ones, mainly because it didn't have so much of the X-Files fantasy stuff.

Did anyone notice that someone said that the victim Steve had had his fingers broken and his neck snapped? How come he didn't scream while that happened? Or was he snatched from beach, tortured and killed, then brought back?

And please ABC, no more 63 minute episodes.

Originally posted by Dynot
My feelings as well. Though my interest is diminishing each week and at this rate I probably won't be a regular in season 2.

Anyone know what the overnight ratings are? Right, then we can all start watching episodes of 'Joey' instead.:D

Originally posted by Andrew_J_M
Did anyone notice that someone said that the victim Steve had had his fingers broken and his neck snapped? How come he didn't scream while that happened? Or was he snatched from beach, tortured and killed, then brought back?


Yeah, there must be a reason they told us that, it might be an indication the only "weapons" the "others" have is physical strength.

I think it's Toshiba thats supposed to have a HD-DVD recorder out the last quarter of 2005.

glad to see I made the list with 50, I'm going to have to contribute more to get higher on the list...

anyway, nobody mentioned when Boone ran into some type of invisible barrier when he awoke while on sentry duty, did he run into an invisible Ethan, or something else ? It was just before Sayid and Locke found him on the ground

here is a twist that I wouldn't be surprised that happened: Charlie killed Ethan becuase C was afraid Ethan was going to give away too many secrets of the island. Possible that when Ethan kidnapped Charlie and Claire, he brought them to a place where the island either infected or brainwashed Charlie, but not able to infect Claire b/c she's pregnant. Charlie was found where he was b/c the island wanted Charlie back with the rest of the others, to infect others. He read Claire's diary to find out more info on how to have the island brainwash her, and got on her good side when she returned to get even more info from her. So Charlie is basically a "plant" or spy in the group to obtain more info.

Originally posted by NorthJersey
anyway, nobody mentioned when Boone ran into some type of invisible barrier when he awoke while on sentry duty, did he run into an invisible Ethan, or something else ? It was just before Sayid and Locke found him on the ground
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I thought he tripped over something on the ground.

Originally posted by Rod Rebello
I thought he tripped over something on the ground.

... something like his own feet. I thought for sure Boone was going to be the one to go. The only thing he contributes is his good looks. Other than that he's pretty useless. His step-sister obviously has someone else to look after her now.

Originally posted by NorthJersey
glad to see I made the list with 50, I'm going to have to contribute more to get higher on the list...

anyway, nobody mentioned when Boone ran into some type of invisible barrier when he awoke while on sentry duty, did he run into an invisible Ethan, or something else ? It was just before Sayid and Locke found him on the ground

here is a twist that I wouldn't be surprised that happened: Charlie killed Ethan becuase C was afraid Ethan was going to give away too many secrets of the island. Possible that when Ethan kidnapped Charlie and Claire, he brought them to a place where the island either infected or brainwashed Charlie, but not able to infect Claire b/c she's pregnant. Charlie was found where he was b/c the island wanted Charlie back with the rest of the others, to infect others. He read Claire's diary to find out more info on how to have the island brainwash her, and got on her good side when she returned to get even more info from her. So Charlie is basically a "plant" or spy in the group to obtain more info.

A plant they hung from a tree until dead? Only revived because Jack went Psycho on him with the Dr. McCoy chest punch?

Originally posted by Iteki
A plant they hung from a tree until dead? Only revived because Jack went Psycho on him with the Dr. McCoy chest punch?

I think NorthJersey's idea has some merit, in fact I was thinking along the same lines. Remember, Charlie was very, very DEAD when they pulled him down from the tree and somehow they brought him back to life. I'm still skeptical about that...

You guy's are way off... It's Locke who is using mind-control techniques on everyone.:D

I've been following the thread for a while and just wanted to throw my 2 cents in: Maybe Charlie is after Claire's baby. Maybe that is why he befriended her and why he protected her from Ethan and killed Ethan so he can't harm the baby. It seems to me that baby is the answer to everything. After seeing his flashback, he certainly can't be trusted and I think it was pretty obvious he lied about using a gun before. I don't know, because I can poke some holes in this theory as well, for instance why did he save Jack back in the cave all those episodes back. Great show, but I am starting to get tired with the lack of progress. 6 more episodes seem like a lot unless something big happens. And if they end the season with just a big cliff hanger andno answers I'm gone.

Originally posted by Iteki
How about that Boone, always trying to be the hero, always screwing up (falling asleep on guard duty). I am looking forward to the the episode where the "Little Buddy" Boone begins wearing a sailor cap and red shirt ;)

Originally posted by CPanther95
What gets me is not only wasn't the story advanced, it actually went backwards to the point of no Ethan and Claire returned. And Vincent is back...whoopee! But I will keep watching. My wife loves this show and I got her hooked so I don't have the heart to rip the show she loves. Lots of pretty pictures, great audio and a high babe factor will give me enough reason to watch I guess.

What is the meaning of the title of last night's episode - "Raised by Another" ? Since this was the seer's warning to Claire, does it mean she's now a different person and the baby is in danger?

Just read a WSJ excerpt about the machinations at Disney as they tried to make ABC a winner. Lloyd Braun pushed for Lost but his bosses at Disney, Robert Iger and Michael Eisner, both hated the concept of Lost. They thought it should be a miniseries at best and they hated the fact that Abrams and the writers didn't seem to know the mysteries (the cause of the crash, the monster). Either they didn't know or they weren't saying. They compared the situation with Twin Peaks, which also was vague about what was behind everything.

Braun was fired before the show debuted. Lost and Desperate Housewives, which Braun also greenlighted, both premiered to great reviews and strong ratings. There was an ad in the NY Times congratulating the success of Lost after its debut. Eisner was still grumpy about it.

Originally posted by wmccullough
What is the meaning of the title of last night's episode - "Raised by Another" ? Since this was the seer's warning to Claire, does it mean she's now a different person and the baby is in danger?

Last night's show was called "Homecoming"

Originally posted by wco81
Eisner was still grumpy about it.

He's not long for the wonderful world of Disney either..

I didn't do a statistical analysis, but it seems that last night's episode has generated the fewest new posts. Especially when you factor out all the posts by people trying to raise their post count. I have to agree that I'm getting bored with the show. The high point was the great surround effect when Ethan whopped the Korean guy.

Originally posted by wco81
Just read a WSJ excerpt about the machinations at Disney as they tried to make ABC a winner. Lloyd Braun pushed for Lost but his bosses at Disney, Robert Iger and Michael Eisner, both hated the concept of Lost...

From imdb.com:

Iger and Eisner Would Have Lost 'Lost'

According to the upcoming DisneyWar book by James Stewart, both Disney CEO Michael Eisner and President Robert Iger were dubious that the series Lost, which had been championed by ABC Entertainment Television Group Chairman Lloyd Braun, would draw an audience. Iger originally called the series "a waste of time," adding, "It might work as a miniseries, but not as a series." According to the book, Braun defied Iger's "clear invitation" to kill it. Later Eisner asked Braun, "What have you picked up?" When he described Lost, Eisner reportedly frowned, then said, "That's never going to work." Even after its successful premiere (and after Braun had been fired), Lost continued to be damned by Eisner, who told Stewart, "Lost is terrible. ... The pilot was two hours; it was broken into two one-hour episodes. Then the show goes off a cliff. There's no more plane crash! Who cares about these people on a desert island?" Lost is currently ABC's second most popular TV series, behind Desperate Housewives. On Wednesday, it dominated the 8:00 p.m. hour, scoring an 11.6 rating and an 18 share, well above second-place CBS's 7.3/11 (60 Minutes Wednesday).

Idiots... :rolleyes:

What does Eisner care, he's making $700 mil. He can afford to be wrong.

Originally posted by steverobertson
I am not sure if I missed this somewhere along the way but where did Ethan come from the name rings a bell but that is about it.

"Ethan Rom" is an anagram for "Other Man."

I didn't do a statistical analysis, but it seems that last night's episode has generated the fewest new posts.

What would such a "statistical analysis" prove? We already have the Nielsen ratings to monitor a show's popularity.

Originally posted by mx6bfast
What does Eisner care, he's making $700 mil. He can afford to be wrong. Ego

Originally posted by sfb
What would such a "statistical analysis" prove? We already have the Nielsen ratings to monitor a show's popularity.

Looks like it's still going strong at just under 20 million viewers:

At 8 p.m., ABC's Lost remains a bona fide hit, with a first-place 12.9/19 in the overnights, 19.49 million viewers and a 7.5/20 among adults 18-49. In time period-premiere news, Fox's The Simple Life 3: Interns got off to a modest start at 8:30 p.m., finishing third in the overnights (6.1/ 9) and total viewers (8.63 million), and second among adults 18-49 (3.9/10). Compared to veteran lead-in That '70s Show (Overnights: #3: 6.6/10; Viewers: 8.80 million; A18-49: 4.1/11), that was a decrease of 8 percent in the overnights, 170,000 viewers and 5 percent among adults 18-49. Given that pre-tune in for American Idol should have kicked in, maybe viewers are finally getting bored with the forced escapades of Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie. Personally, I know I am.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=5159602#post5159602

Originally posted by stephenC
The high point was the great surround effect when Ethan whopped the Korean guy.

Great effect, I agree, but I think it was misplaced. The only perspective that would realistically hear the sling "whoop" all around like that would be from Ethan's. Otherwise, the sound should come from one place, where Ethan is standing, as observed/heard by others. And if Ethan is really an "island" entity and he is staking out the grounds where he made his demands of Charlie expecting Claire to be turned over to him there, why wasn't he staking it out and be able to observe or perceive that he would be surrounded?

Weren't there a number of posters (amd me too) a couple of weeks ago who concluded Claire was no longer pregnant when she emerged from the jungle in the preview to this episode? I was going with that premise for the past few weeks and had to rethink my whole orientation when the show began last night.

Loving LOST, though, except for the hiccups our local is having that skips important dialogue from time to time.

Bob

Originally posted by NorthJersey
....here is a twist that I wouldn't be surprised that happened: Charlie killed Ethan becuase C was afraid Ethan was going to give away too many secrets of the island. Possible that when Ethan kidnapped Charlie and Claire, he brought them to a place where the island either infected or brainwashed Charlie, but not able to infect Claire b/c she's pregnant. Charlie was found where he was b/c the island wanted Charlie back with the rest of the others, to infect others. He read Claire's diary to find out more info on how to have the island brainwash her, and got on her good side when she returned to get even more info from her. So Charlie is basically a "plant" or spy in the group to obtain more info.
I tend to lean more towards Bassman134's take on Charlie.
Originally posted by Bassman134
...Its a reoccurring theme with Charlie, in the beginning he tries to protect his brother from drugs, and fails and falls with him, he tries to "be respectable" with this girl and fails, he tries to be there for Claire and fails yet again. So this time he does something about it.
Seems logical to me, though I would have liked Ethan to let out some cryptic "teaser" last words. Charlie now has closure......
Charlie's always in someone else's shadow, the wannabe who so far just doesn't quite measure up to his own expectations. Now he has Claire to whom he feels he has to prove his worth, and killing Ethan was more important to Charlie than any info they might have gotten out of Ethan (which, by the way, I think Sayid could have managed!), and Charlie saw that moment as his only chance.

Loving LOST, though, except for the hiccups our local is having that skips important dialogue from time to time.

If you have a Scientific Atlanta STB, your audio drop-out problem is most likely caused by it (I have the 3250HD w/Comcast, and had a heck of a time working w/Comcast who was in turn working w/SA to get the problem solved (well, semi-solved).

No, our ABC has a bad 5.1 encoder. The problem is on Comcast (we have the Moto 6412 here) and OTA. Well-documented. But thanks.

Is it just me, or did anyone else find it bizarre that 5 people are "within sight" of each other, but when Jack starts fighting Ethan, it takes everyone else like 5 minutes to show up?

Originally posted by mstahlkr
Is it just me, or did anyone else find it bizarre that 5 people are "within sight" of each other, but when Jack starts fighting Ethan, it takes everyone else like 5 minutes to show up?
LOL!! We actually discussed that at work today. Plus, the first ones there had to yell "Over here!!" to let the others know where to show up. Claire must feel REAL safe by now. :)

[i]Originally posted by Dynot
...Is this show going to last? Consider the following:...Interesting stats about this thread: the thread was started on 9/22. Number of posts per month has declined as follows:1,132 - 828 - 620 - 360. The last number represents 2 weeks from 12/22 to yesterday but you get the point.

I've been curious about this post since Dynot originally posted it, and since I have nothing better to do:

I may be off by a couple, but I count 737 posts in month #4 (Dec. 22nd through Jan. 21st). This includes the holiday period, when LOST didn't air for at least 2 weeks, so:

Month 1: 1,132
Month 2: 828
Month 3: 620
Month 4: 737

Originally posted by Gary McCoy
So they killed a Red Shirt and Ethan. The Red Shirt was named Scott and Hurley called him "Steve", or maybe vice-versa. He was such a major character I can't even remember what he looked like.

Gary

I think the "major character" that was supposed to be killed off was Ethan.

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I'm curious (and maybe not too bright), but how do you find out how many posts per person like this?

In the HTDV Programming forum, click on the reply number listed for the thread.

Originally posted by keenan
In the HTDV Programming forum, click on the reply number listed for the thread.

Thanks!

Ethan Rom" is an anagram for "Other Man."

or "more than" or "the Roman" or "the moran".

- Tom

I know it's a stretch but, suppose their are many Ethans on the Island? I find it hard to believe that a guy who's been able to survive on the island can be so easily defeated. Besides, why not just waltz in and take Clair when she's roaming around saying "I can take care of myself?" Seems to me he made a big production out of getting Charlie to do it. For that matter, if he could 'kill them all' how was he gonna do it if he couldn't even handle Jack? Or did Jack also assume some power from the island a la Boone. I'm thinking there's some kind of experiment going on, and Ethan's just what's being used to interact w/ the survivors.

Just random thoughts. I do think the show is good, just too many questions and not enough answers.

Oh yeah, I gotta wonder , why is there no interest in that cable Sayid saw? I think I recall the french lady having some kind of electricity. A team of gun toters should be able to take her.

Tony

Originally posted by CPanther95
The sound during the sling shot was almost worthy of reference quality status.

Can I ask what is going to be a dumb question?

I see the phrase "referance levels" and such tons, but never an explanation of what it is.

If it's cool, I wanna do it!

Originally posted by MyGrain
Can I ask what is going to be a dumb question?

I see the phrase "referance levels" and such tons, but never an explanation of what it is.

If it's cool, I wanna do it!

"Reference" in the context it was used above means the quality of the sound and how it was presented/playbacked was a standard for others to try and meet. Other presentations of sound may be as good but not better. A goal to strive for in listener enveloping TV audio.

"Reference levels" refers to calibrated or set volume levels as in how loud the engineer of a DVD programs the audio for you to hear everything and at a level he wanted you to listen to it at. A starting point where anything louder or softer is measured from.

Originally posted by mstahlkr
Is it just me, or did anyone else find it bizarre that 5 people are "within sight" of each other, but when Jack starts fighting Ethan, it takes everyone else like 5 minutes to show up?

I think they were all hoping someone else would get to him first. But now the question is if Ethan was so strong, what does that make Jack now? Because he beat the crap out of him.

As soon as Claire saw Ethan she started running and she was moving pretty fast for her condition. Jack was closest to her when Ethan appeared so he was the first to catch up. However, the others did take their time getting involved after the fight started.

Originally posted by labmansid
LOL!! We actually discussed that at work today. Plus, the first ones there had to yell "Over here!!" to let the others know where to show up. Claire must feel REAL safe by now. :)

I had the same thought at first too, but after thinking about it a bit, I remembered that Ethan chased Claire a decent distance before Jack jumped him.

It could've very well been that the chase led them to Jack's position and away from the others.

Maybe not "5 minutes" away, but it would partially explain the delay. ;)

Speaking of "others"...

Did anyone else notice all the dialogue amongst the survivors about "the others?"

I have no hard evidence to support it, but it seemed like that term kept popping up during that episode and it referred to different groups each time.

I haven't seen anyone here talk about Charlie and the company he was trying to work for. Did we notice the printer/copier he was selling for that ladies husband? it was the C815....hmmmmm 815....have we seen that? He mentioned the C815 about 20 times....

Originally posted by keithaxis
it was the C815....hmmmmm 815....have we seen that?

Did we see 815 somewhere before? The only thing I can think of is the plane #

Just rewatched to hear the slingshot sound effact, and yes, as another said, though the effect is well done, the perspective is wrong, it should have come from one specific point as heard by Charlie and the Korean gent.

My question, as the Korean couple are tending to the husbands bruise, he says "I was attacked because of what the others have done."

What is he implying here, any thoughts?

I'm getting the feeling that the husband is suspecting that the wife understands or is starting to understand English. We were discussing that at the end of the show. I hope that something like that is revealed when they finally do Jin's story.

Originally posted by etcarroll
My question, as the Korean couple are tending to the husbands bruise, he says "I was attacked because of what the others have done."

What is he implying here, any thoughts?

I think he is just reinforcing his desire to "not get involved" with the group. If it were up to him, he and Sun would just go off on their own and have more control over their own situation (and away from anyone else that may want to jump his wife ;) ).

Originally posted by mulesqb
I think they were all hoping someone else would get to him first. But now the question is if Ethan was so strong, what does that make Jack now? Because he beat the crap out of him.

Jack did beat the crap out of him and kept him at bay for awhile but after a second or two he was up on his knees. That could be attributed to adrenaline and surprise. Remember Ethan easily beat the crap out of Jack before.

I kept getting the feeling that he was going to get away until he was shot. He may have just been putting on a show and never knew about all the guns since Jack & Kate kept them hidden.

So from the trailers for next week... does anyone else think Sawyer's gonna shoot Jack? :) Remembering back to the first episode when they showed trailers for the whole season, there was also a scene on the beach where Sawyer and Sayid were fighting and Sawyer pulls out a gun.

Originally posted by bronowyn
I'm getting the feeling that the husband is suspecting that the wife understands or is starting to understand English. We were discussing that at the end of the show. I hope that something like that is revealed when they finally do Jin's story.

Agreed. I think he's got at least some suspicion that Sun understands what the others are saying. Could make for an interesting conflict down the road...

i'm wondering if he himself knows english.

Originally posted by jackshakes
i'm wondering if he himself knows english.

Now that would be too funny... they both can speak English and kept if from each other.

Originally posted by jackshakes
i'm wondering if he himself knows english.

i have been thinking this for a little while too

Is it just me, or did this weeks episode have really excessive camera movement? The hand held "shaky cam" shots were particularly annoying to me this week.

-Steve

Originally posted by madpoet
So from the trailers for next week... does anyone else think Sawyer's gonna shoot Jack? :) Remembering back to the first episode when they showed trailers for the whole season, there was also a scene on the beach where Sawyer and Sayid were fighting and Sawyer pulls out a gun.

No way....everytime they show a trailer to make you think something's going to happen, it's never what you think. They edit it to make it seem like something bigger is going to happen. If anybody I would think he'd shoot Sayid (he said something about revenge), but I don't see him going after Jack.

Originally posted by madpoet
So from the trailers for next week... does anyone else think Sawyer's gonna shoot Jack? :) Remembering back to the first episode when they showed trailers for the whole season, there was also a scene on the beach where Sawyer and Sayid were fighting and Sawyer pulls out a gun. I hate to say it, but: I read the "info" for next weeks episode in my EPG. It appears that Sawyer and Kate go on a boar hunt, cause Sawyer thinks that there is a boar out that is harrassing him. So the Sawyer scenes are actually him being pissed at the boar. It was justed edited in the preview to appear that his beef is with Jack. We've been tricked again.

Maybe the name Ethan Rom has something to do with Ethan Frome by Edith Wharton.

Originally posted by dlan
Now that would be too funny... they both can speak English and kept if from each other.

Don't all hitmen who travel around a lot to take people down need to know English to gather information?:p

Originally posted by El Pollo
Don't all hitmen who travel around a lot to take people down need to know English to gather information?:p

Good question, is there a website with a FAQ that might tell us? :p

Originally posted by keenan
"Reference" in the context it was used above means the quality of the sound and how it was presented/playbacked was a standard for others to try and meet. Other presentations of sound may be as good but not better. A goal to strive for in listener enveloping TV audio.

"Reference levels" refers to calibrated or set volume levels as in how loud the engineer of a DVD programs the audio for you to hear everything and at a level he wanted you to listen to it at. A starting point where anything louder or softer is measured from.

Thanks keenan.

As i understand it it's the quality, and the volume. I'll poke some more...

Lived in sonoma county all my life. Moved less than a year ago. Miss it, I do. :-}

..Scott

Originally posted by mulesqb
After seeing his flashback, he certainly can't be trusted and I think it was pretty obvious he lied about using a gun before.

He didn't answer the question, so he couldn't of "lied". He just turned away.

Everyone just assumed that since he was from a country where guns are not allowed, that he couldn't use one.

Originally posted by maxman
I've been curious about this post since Dynot originally posted it, and since I have nothing better to do:

I may be off by a couple, but I count 737 posts in month #4 (Dec. 22nd through Jan. 21st). This includes the holiday period, when LOST didn't air for at least 2 weeks, so:

Month 1: 1,132
Month 2: 828
Month 3: 620
Month 4: 737

Yeah, the first few episodes were riveting and brought up so many questions, we couldn't help but discuss them. Now those questions are ALL unanswered and we're still waiting.

I'm being patient :-) Sorta

Okay... Finally, after doing some real work this morning, I am caught up in this thread...

Watched the episode last night... (even after a day of not posting, still got a pretty good lead on posts here too.. :D)

Couple things I noticed/thought about...

Ethan clearly had some scraps on his face that looked very much like a women's fingernails had clawed him... this seems to indicate that Claire had fought her way free from Ethan somehow... Claire was then found by Locke and Boone deep in the jungle...

For someone that has 'amnesia' my first attempt at helping would be re-tracing steps backwards to the last thing you remember... If Claire had fought her way free, what happened to her after that to have her completely forget everything? Maybe simply fell at hit her head, but that would be my first question to her... "We found you in the woods. Thinking back, what can you recall as to your experiences in the woods...?" Through some help/coaching they could probably find out something that may lead them to an area of the woods that she remembers... but who knows...

Also, was going to mention that Jin is definitelly suspicious of Sun's understanding of English... that was pretty clear... but I see that was brought up already.

Originally posted by snowcat
He didn't answer the question, so he couldn't of "lied". He just turned away.

Everyone just assumed that since he was from a country where guns are not allowed, that he couldn't use one.

It's not that hard to shoot a gun. How many kids kill themself with guns they find in daddy's top draw?

You know, until Charlie actually shot Ethan, I was fully expecting Ethan to roll over with that gun in his hands!

Someone brought up the idea of Jin knowing English. Sorry for what follows as I have a HORRIBLE memory for things like names, episodes, etc.

There was one episode where the Big Fat guy was talking to Jin and said something, and Jin did a 'half' smile on one side of his face.....like he understood.

Even though Ethan has been dispatched by Charlie, there is still the possibility that we'll find out at least some of who he was and what he was up to..... as soon as Claire regains her memory. I fully expect this to happen piecemeal over several future episodes, and she's already beginning to recover some of it (peanut butter). It's clear that she fought with Ethan to escape, and got some licks in too, as our 'most prolific poster' posted above.

Originally posted by mulesqb
It seems to me that baby is the answer to everything.

Bingo! Ding ding ding ding!

My sentiments exactly.

Originally posted by archiguy
Even though Ethan has been dispatched by Charlie, there is still the possibility that we'll find out at least some of who he was and what he was up to..... as soon as Claire regains her memory. I fully expect this to happen piecemeal over several future episodes, and she's already beginning to recover some of it (peanut butter). It's clear that she fought with Ethan to escape, and got some licks in too, as our 'most prolific poster' posted above.

But isn't it convenient that the avenues for providing more answers are shut off?

Ethan is dead and Claire, at least for now, has conveniently gotten a case of amnesia.

And Locke is a control freak who wants to limit information. So most of the survivors are going around in circles, in the dark.

The producers and writers better tie up some loose strings.

Originally posted by archiguy
.... as our 'most prolific poster' posted above.
LOL...

(Tack on another one! ;))

Patience, young Padawan, patience. If they gave up all the answers this quickly, there wouldn't be much of a show left for next season, right? And this thread wouldn't be nearly as much fun, or prolific, either. :)

Originally posted by snowcat
He didn't answer the question, so he couldn't of "lied". He just turned away.



Good point. I took his non-answer as a no.

Another thought... :)

In regards to Steve (the red shirt)... Who's to say he wasn't killed by Ethan at all? Might be a stretch, but he was found on the shore... his appearance was that of someone that washed ashore (covered in sand, etc...) Broken limbs/neck, etc... But the surf was also very heavy, there were many rocks on that beach.. Maybe he was out fishing, slipped, and was beaten against the rocks for awhile before washing up on the beach...?

Or not...

But the other thing that is bugging me is Ethan's lack of seeing any plan against him before his demise. He should've expected that Charlie would tell the other survivors of the threat, or at the very least should've seen at least one of the five that surrounded Claire before he went barging in... it is his turf after all...

Doing the math, it seems that Claire is 2-3 weeks past due at this point. I thought from the Pilot episode that she was 1 week from her due date. Jack mentioned in this week's episode that they had been on the island for a month. That puts Claire 2-3 weeks past due.

Also interesting, how does Jack keep his hair so shorton the island?! I wear mine the same way and I'm at the barber every three weeks. Probably stuff we're not supposed to notice, but it's like time has stopped for these 'survivors.'

It's not unusual for a woman to be late delivering her first child.

Originally posted by auburn97
Doing the math, it seems that Claire is 2-3 weeks past due at this point. I thought from the Pilot episode that she was 1 week from her due date. Jack mentioned in this week's episode that they had been on the island for a month. That puts Claire 2-3 weeks past due.

Also interesting, how does Jack keep his hair so shorton the island?! I wear mine the same way and I'm at the barber every three weeks. Probably stuff we're not supposed to notice, but it's like time has stopped for these 'survivors.'


I am sure Mr. Locke has a pair of shears or scissors in the large knife box!

Did it look funny to anyone else when Jack offered the gun to Locke and said I assume you know how to use this?
It almost appears as though he didn't know how to use one until a few seconds after jacked asked him, maybe the island taught him how to use a gun in those short seconds, and maybe because Charlie wanted to kill Ethan so bad it also taught him. Although it really isn't that hard to hit a motion less person right in front of you.

Originally posted by dm145
It's not that hard to shoot a gun. How many kids kill themself with guns they find in daddy's top draw?

It's not hard to shoot a gun, but it does take some skill to put five bullets into a guy's chest in quick succession. Maybe Charlie's involvement in the British underworld was a bit deeper than we thought...

Originally posted by auburn97
Also interesting, how does Jack keep his hair so shorton the island?! I wear mine the same way and I'm at the barber every three weeks. Probably stuff we're not supposed to notice, but it's like time has stopped for these 'survivors.' On the Jimmy Kimmel late night talk show, he visited the set of Lost and did little funny bits with each of the actors. One of the things he asked Matthew Fox was something like, "What's up with your beard? It's not shaven, but it never really becomes a beard, either. Does some mysterious force at work on the island hold the growth of your beard in limbo?"

Originally posted by michaeltscott
One of the things he asked Matthew Fox was something like, "What's up with your beard? It's not shaven, but it never really becomes a beard, either. Does some mysterious force at work on the island hold the growth of your beard in limbo?"
And his response was......? ;)

Originally posted by paudemge
Did it look funny to anyone else when Jack offered the gun to Locke and said I assume you know how to use this?
It almost appears as though he didn't know how to use one until a few seconds after jacked asked him, maybe the island taught him how to use a gun in those short seconds...

I interpreted Locke's sly smile as simply "now I finally get to use the knowledge I have obtained over the years" ie. now that he can use his LEGS.

Heck, if you handed me a gun with the intention of letting me shoot something with no repercussion, I'd probably have a sly smile on my face too....

...don't ever hand me a gun.... :)

Also interesting, how does Jack keep his hair so shorton the island?! I wear mine the same way and I'm at the barber every three weeks. Probably stuff we're not supposed to notice, but it's like time has stopped for these 'survivors.' [/B]

I was thinking the exact same thing...

Originally posted by auburn97
Also interesting, how does Jack keep his hair so shorton the island?! I wear mine the same way and I'm at the barber every three weeks. Probably stuff we're not supposed to notice, but it's like time has stopped for these 'survivors.'

Yeah, is this one of those "details" we're supposed to pay attention to or not? The writers claim that all the details are important, well, is this one important?

I'm sure they found scissors etc, in the luggage. Just like they probably found makeup, clothes, and other things. Although I guess no one had an LED flashlight. It will last 100 hours on 1 set of batteries. I usually carry one with me, especially on travel.

I wear my hair short like that, and my barber uses the electric shears (or whatever they're called) with a certain number attachment to get the exact length. Don't think you could get the same effect just with scissors, but hey, Locke's pretty talented (or maybe one of the other nondescript characters is a barber). And I still say his beard isn't growing!

it was about the 5th or 6th episode, but since then, he is almost clean shaven! Wait till season 2

OK Guys, here you go:

Here is a link to the video clip of Jimmy Kimmel's trip to the LOST set. Click on the link, and then click on "Watch Clips Here" under the Spotlight section.

Jimmy Kimmel Live
(http://abc.go.com/primetime/jimmykimmel/index.html?lid=ABCCOMMenu&lpos=LateNight)

Originally posted by auburn97
OK Guys, here you go:

Here is a link to the video clip of Jimmy Kimmel's trip to the LOST set. Click on the link, and then click on "Watch Clips Here" under the Spotlight section.

No link - try again!

Sorry about that. Check it again.

Originally posted by snowcat
He didn't answer the question, so he couldn't of "lied". He just turned away.

Everyone just assumed that since he was from a country where guns are not allowed, that he couldn't use one.

I am a bit confused why so many people think he had to have used a gun b4. The tight grouping..hell he was 3 feet away. Semi auto 9 fired as fast as he could.

I think Charlie was straight all along about things..just got pissed and did " the right thing"...byu his thinking.

Originally posted by auburn97
Doing the math, it seems that Claire is 2-3 weeks past due at this point. I thought from the Pilot episode that she was 1 week from her due date. Jack mentioned in this week's episode that they had been on the island for a month. That puts Claire 2-3 weeks past due.

Also interesting, how does Jack keep his hair so shorton the island?! I wear mine the same way and I'm at the barber every three weeks. Probably stuff we're not supposed to notice, but it's like time has stopped for these 'survivors.'

And who's giving the women razors but not he men? Oh, wiat....a month.? I guess most of us would have a beard by now. But those wimmin folk, them dar legs and underpit lookin smooth!

Originally posted by auburn97
OK Guys, here you go:

Here is a link to the video clip of Jimmy Kimmel's trip to the LOST set. Click on the link, and then click on "Watch Clips Here" under the Spotlight section.

Jimmy Kimmel Live
(http://abc.go.com/primetime/jimmykimmel/index.html?lid=ABCCOMMenu&lpos=LateNight)

Cool "Driveshaft" video!

Don't know if anyone mentioned it yet, but there are going to be 24 episodes this season.

Originally posted by auburn97
Doing the math, it seems that Claire is 2-3 weeks past due at this point. I thought from the Pilot episode that she was 1 week from her due date. Jack mentioned in this week's episode that they had been on the island for a month. That puts Claire 2-3 weeks past due.
As I recall when they first crashed Claire said she was around 8 months. She should just be coming up on her due date, although it amazes me she hasn't popped already with all the trauma she's been through!

'Lost' takes an odd path to diversity
Ahoy! An island in a sea of stereotypical casting
By Maria Elena Fernandez Los Angeles Times Staff Writer February 13, 2005

When J.J. Abrams turned in an outline for "Lost" last year, Lloyd Braun, then ABC Television Group's chairman, bragged excitedly to a buddy, "This, my friend, is 'ER.' "

Braun was so convinced by the 25-page outline in his hands, a hybrid of "Survivor" and "Cast Away," that he ordered a two-hour, $11-million pilot with no script, just the creators' vision of plane crash survivors on an eerie, not-so-deserted island.

"The outline was, quite honestly, the best piece of television I've ever read," said Braun, who had conceived the show and is now the head of Yahoo Media Group. "I was out of my mind."

Then came the reality check: The two-hour pilot, featuring an ensemble of 14 actors, would have to be finished in 12 weeks — at the end of pilot season, when supposedly all of the hot talent had been scooped up. Which meant that co-creators Abrams ("Alias" and "Felicity") and Damon Lindelof, a writer-producer on "Crossing Jordan," and casting director April Webster would have to pull off a casting feat for the history books.

What they came up with broke new TV ground, but not just for its warp-speed casting efficiency. They also — somewhat inadvertently — managed something with more profound implications: They assembled an ethnically and geographically diverse cast, then hammered out a show for them that favored humanity over tokenism — a casting and writing coup that has sparked water-cooler chatter beyond the island's frightening man-eating monster, polar bears and other spooky human inhabitants. With its unmatched pan-demographic cast of characters who all defy stereotypical expectations, the show reflects the world as it is increasingly experienced by young people, who are less racially identified than older generations. "Lost" moves a step beyond even "ER," long considered the gold standard of diversity. In the Chicago emergency room, an institutional hierarchy to some degree dictates character development. On a remote island, anything goes.

Keeping an open mind

Openness was job requirement No. 1 for 25-year veteran Webster, who casts "Alias" and was hired by Abrams and Lindelof to find the would-be castaways. With no script — the creators had not completed it — and few audition scenes, Webster alerted agents in New York, Los Angeles, Europe, Canada and Australia, and left the rest up to the universe. The passengers of Oceanic Flight 815, which departed from Sydney, Australia, and was heading for L.A., were supposed to come from all over the globe.

Steve McPherson, who headed Touchstone Television, the studio that produces "Lost," before it became his job as ABC's head of prime-time programming to schedule the show, said time pressure may have helped Abrams and his team buck the usual casting patterns and create truly innovative TV characters. "It just shows you what you can do when you don't try to control it too much," Webster said. "These actors were so willing and able to not know. And in that way, they helped the writers create such interesting people."

As a result of the speeded-up schedule and lack of clear script requirements, actors were cast for parts that didn't exist and other characters were altered to fit the qualities of actors the producers wanted to hire. Even the role of Jack, the show's doctor-hero, played by Matthew Fox, changed from a guest spot to a series regular when Abrams decided to let him live. Jack originally was going to be killed by the show's unseen monster and left hanging on a tree, which then became the unfortunate fate of the airliner's pilot.

"Because it was all so new and fluid, if they saw a great actor for another role, they'd create it right then and there," Braun said.

Case in point: Yunjin Kim, who was born in Korea and grew up in New York City and auditioned for the part of Kate, the fugitive-murderer, who ended up being played by Evangeline Lilly, a Canadian actress. What Kim did not know is that Abrams and Lindelof had a vague idea for another character who does not speak English, and meeting Kim was the spark for two more characters.

"She had this incredible career in Korea," Lindelof said. "One of her movies ["Shiri"] outgrossed 'Titanic,' and she was so talented, we really wanted her. So we thought, What if she's Korean and we have a couple and they're alienated from the rest of the group because they can't communicate?"

She became a character named Sun, and a search began for Sun's husband, Jin, who was scripted as a waiter before he married into a wealthy family and began working for his father-in-law's highly questionable business. Enter Daniel Dae Kim, a Korean-born actor who grew up in New York and Philadelphia. Jin and Sun speak in Korean, and how the show handles it is a TV first: When they're alone, their conversations are subtitled; when the other castaways are nearby, there are no translations.

"Nobody wants tokenism, and that's one of the reasons I'm so proud of this show," Daniel Dae Kim said. "It shows America and television executives and movie producers that you don't have to have a lily-white cast of twentysomethings to have a successful project. The story lines speak to America regardless of color and can even be enhanced by mixtures of race and gender." That same attitude transformed the character named Hurley in the minds of the creators from a 55-year-old redneck to the sweet and affable large guy who cracks jokes on the island. Jorge Garcia had guest-starred on "Curb Your Enthusiasm," and the producers, taken with his comedic timing, requested that Webster track him down. All that is known about Hurley, so far, is that his real name is Hugo Reyes and he is a native Californian of Latino heritage.

"Whoever the characters were in their regular life gets thrown out the window because they're forced to live together in that situation," said Garcia, who grew up in San Juan Capistrano and is the son of a Cuban mother and Chilean father. "It doesn't matter who any of them thought they were or who society thought they were."

That may hold true in the South Seas, where the castaways are stranded, but Hollywood often misses an important point — one that Michael Crichton effectively made when he wrote the pilot for "ER" without including gender or race for any of the doctors.

"If racial identity is the only thing that's interesting about a character, that's extremely limiting and also insulting to how society works now," said John Wells, whose company produces "The West Wing," "Third Watch," "Jonny Zero" and "ER." "Sometimes in an attempt to diversify shows, the characters become stereotypical because they're there for the purpose of providing diversity and you're trying to write to that instead of trying to write human beings."

That was precisely Yunjin Kim's dilemma when she finally read the pilot script for "Lost" and thought her character "was really backward." The actress contacted Abrams, who quelled her concerns by sharing some of his plans for Sun, who, it turns out, had secretly learned English and is much stronger than she seems in the pilot.

"You have an image of what these characters are on the island but then in the flashbacks, you learn they are quite different," she said. "And not just the 'ethnic' characters. Even Jack, the perfect heroic doctor who saves everyone, is seen later having a nervous breakdown. The writers don't ignore race. They touch on it when it's needed, but it's not what these people are all about."

Occasionally, Sawyer, the Southern loudmouth (played by Josh Holloway) calls the Iraqi character, Sayid, "Mohammed," and he once blamed him for crashing the airplane. Desperate for something to eat, Charlie, the British rocker (Dominic Monaghan), once accused the overweight Hurley of hoarding the food. And when Jin, the Korean husband, spots Michael, the black father, wearing Jin's father-in-law's gold watch and talking to his wife, he attacks him physically. Michael at first assumes it's because he is black.

"When I first read that scene, I called up the writers because I'm from Brooklyn and I can't say that there's a huge thing between black people and Koreans," said Harold Perinneau, who plays Michael, a single father who turns out to have suffered for many years after being denied contact with his son, Walt (Malcolm David Kelley). "I felt it was important to speak up because I don't ever want it to dilute to the simple idea that people are going to be mad at Michael just because he's a black guy."

The actor and the writers compromised. After the fight, "Walt asks me about it and I tell him that I was just angry," Perinneau said. "There are a lot of shows where they have a black guy and when they have an episode about the black guy, it's about somebody dissing the black guy for being black. I'm not in that show. I'm not doing that show. We heard that one already."

Terry O'Quinn, who plays the slightly creepy but wise Locke, who was a paraplegic before the crash, said he would be proud if his show's legacy were to "simply cast actors because they were good and workable, rather than because they were a 33-year-old white man or a 22-year-old Oriental woman."

"If the world is becoming more global, we certainly should become more global in the business," he said. "At the same time, I want to make sure I always have a job. I'm an old white man!"

Beyond race or culture

The success of "Lost" is one more strike against the convention that both white and non-white viewers prefer to watch characters like themselves. According to Nielsen Media Research, of the show's 16.4 million viewers, 1.6 million are African American and 914,000 are Latino, demonstrating that white audiences are as attracted to distinct and compelling characters from other cultures and races as ethnic audiences are.

Of the total TV audience, 13.5% is now African American and 12.2% is Latino, but you wouldn't know that from channel surfing. Besides "Lost," only "ER," "Law & Order" and "Law & Order: SVU" give minority characters story lines with impact and meaning beyond their ethnicity, said Doug Alligood, senior vice president of special markets for BBDO Worldwide, who monitors viewing habits for advertisers. ABC's "Desperate Housewives," though set in white, upper-class suburbia, has Eva Longoria in a leading role where she is "allowed to play Latina, which is refreshing," he added.

The trick now, as "Lost" has shown, is to acknowledge in your storytelling the realities of an increasingly multicultural world while avoiding a big song-and-dance routine around your characters' diversity.

On "The West Wing" this season, Jimmy Smits, who is of Puerto Rican and Suriname descent, has joined the cast as a three-term Houston congressman running for president.

"We're not making a big deal about it because if you call attention to it in an overt fashion and try to make that what your story is about, I think you do a disservice to the whole idea," Wells said. "Honestly, I think it's more of a problem for those of us over 40. Younger people in this country are not identified by racial identity. The argument before was always that there haven't been successful shows with multicultural casts. But that's not true anymore. The most successful shows are the shows that portray this. It's a marketplace and the product will follow what is successful."

"People do come with baggage, but you don't always have to talk about people's background," Perrineau said. "We don't always have to find the things that keep us separate. If this show continues to explore that idea, and not exploit it, I think we will become a model for future shows. If they don't, we'll wind up looking like every other show."

With its Iraqi romantic hero, for example, "Lost" offers a lesson in gutsy character development; most television executives would reject an Iraqi character of any kind, said Alligood.

"If this show says anything it's that it's got to be about people and not about filling quotas," said Naveen Andrews, who plays Sayid, the sexy, techno-savvy Iraqi Republican Guardsman. "It's about people and soul. It's important to show that people who are not white can be attractive, romantic and heroic. Hollywood always insults the intelligence of the audience, and I fail to see the merit in that. At the risk of sounding like somebody from 1968, I think that to move forward we have to mix or we're not going to make it, man."

Originally posted by auburn97
OK Guys, here you go:

Here is a link to the video clip of Jimmy Kimmel's trip to the LOST set. Click on the link, and then click on "Watch Clips Here" under the Spotlight section.

Jimmy Kimmel Live
(http://abc.go.com/primetime/jimmykimmel/index.html?lid=ABCCOMMenu&lpos=LateNight) Then, if it's not obvious, click the "Jimmy Kimmel Live" tab at the top of the player and chose the "Jimmy Visits the Set of Lost" part 1 or 2 choice on the right.

The bit I was talking about with Matthew Fox's facial hair is at the beginning of part 1. I didn't get it right, but it's funnier than I remembered it. :)

Kristen on E! supposedly got word on a MAJOR development this season.

The word I got this week on exactly which castmember gets killed off. I can tell you this: It is a well loved, much swooned over main character.

You guys are gonna die.

Originally posted by neoufo51
Kristen on E! supposedly got word on a MAJOR development this season.

The word I got this week on exactly which castmember gets killed off. I can tell you this: It is a well loved, much swooned over main character.

You guys are gonna die.

Hmmm....that would be really lame.

Originally posted by mstahlkr
Hmmm....that would be really lame.
Yeah. It's gonna happen for sure though.

Thanks for the link. That was hysterical!

Originally posted by neoufo51
Kristen on E! supposedly got word on a MAJOR development this season.

The word I got this week on exactly which castmember gets killed off. I can tell you this: It is a well loved, much swooned over main character.

You guys are gonna die.


All Major Characters have been signed up for 2 more years on the show with major raises..... All Major Characters will be back for season 2.

Yeah but with all these flashbacks, who cares what's happening in the present?

Jack could die but they could flashback his life for another 20 episodes.

How long will we go until the flashbacks contain segments from previous episodes? :D