Don't even think such a thing...:eek:

It was mentioned on ET or one of those shows today that:

Sawyer had some sort of past connection with Jack's father

This just in on the Fuselage.

Not a spoiler, but Jorge Garcia told us on Friday that:

ThinkImGonnaHurley: Yes we know who is going to die.
ThinkImGonnaHurley: yes i know but... I shouldn't say.

Also, Javier Grillo-Marxuach: Writer, Supervising Producer, says...

Javi: there will be a death (and unlike other episodes, that person's gonna STAY dead), but i am not saying when, we want you happily ensconced on the edge of your seats!

On the topic of the recently added 2 episodes...

Javi: man... so hard to keep our secrets intact in this fast paced age of information!

we have the backstories decided up until the last two episodes, and they have been reported elsewhere with a reasonable degree of accuracy (i will leave it up to you to do some detective work!).

the backstories for the last two episodes have been desiced but i am not at liberty to reveal! (go figure - you ask a middle manager a question, this is the answer you get!).

you have not seen the last of shannon-related flashbackery, i can tell you that much.

thanks for the question!

http://www.spoilerfix.com/lost.php

Originally posted by keithaxis
I haven't seen anyone here talk about Charlie and the company he was trying to work for. Did we notice the printer/copier he was selling for that ladies husband? it was the C815....hmmmmm 815....have we seen that? He mentioned the C815 about 20 times....

Yeah, flight 815 crashed, right? So, does anyone remember the number of the bank box that Kate found her plane in?

Was that 815 also?

The flight was Oceanic Airways Flight 815...
The Safe Deposit Box number was 815...
The printer/copier was C815...

Wonder if the plane went down on August 15?

I love the whole number thing..but they better have some sort of explanation for why they keep using the same one

iirc, alias kept using 47 and there was nothing to it

^Sometimes its just a cool number that somebody high up in the show likes for personal reasons. Maybe JJ Abrams did 47 girls before he got married, who knows.

I'll ask one of the producers. See if they will fess up.

Hey guys...BIG stuff coming in today...VERY spoilery...

Anybody want to see...the hatch?
http://www.crewpix.com/gallery/TVShows/hatchlostJPG
(Please remember not to describe this picture in any way without using the spoiler tags)

Also...this is going to spoil up a fairly big storyline but this picture...
shows that Boone finds a cache of drugs on this recently discovered plane...
http://www.crewpix.com/gallery/TVShows/DSCN2458

Also...this is a scene from Numbers that Jorge told us was VERY challenging for him to do because its a... (had to spoilerize the link cuz the name gives away the scene.

http://www.crewpix.com/gallery/TVShows/lostropebridge


Click all these at your own risk of being heavily spoiled.

EDIT: These only came out hours ago so they could be gone by order of ABC Disney so take a peek while you still can.

By the way...remember when Scott died at the hands of Ethan? Well...
The real STEVE died and SCOTT is now impersonating to be "Steve." It seems that the guys were travelling together and have a past...and one of them has a secret and needed to pose as the other. I know what you guys might be thinking...gay couple? Maybe. I don't know. This storyline has not been filmed yet. And here is the proof that the above spoiler is true
http://kapio.kcc.hawaii.edu/upload/fullnews.php?id=138

4 BIG spoilers in one post...not bad.

Also I got this story about the monster from here in the Bay Area.

In a recent interview with "Lost" producers Bryan Burk, Damon Lindelof and JJ Abrams, the trio said that Claire was still pregnant and promised "the monster" would be revealed before the end of this season. They did give us one clue: It isn't a dinosaur. We also got him to admit that this thing is bigger than a breadbox (much) and lives in the trees.

But other intrigues will remain.

"There is another mystery that will make the monster pale in comparison," Lindelof promises. "We walk a tightrope every day trying to reveal enough so that viewers don't feel like they are getting strung along, and not so much that they lose interest.

"It's like 'Jaws.' It was so much scarier when all you saw was the fin and the tail rather than the actual shark."

In fact, all the producers admit that when they read the message boards on the Web, they are shocked at how close viewers are to discovering the island's mysteries and where the characters are heading.

"Sometimes they are so spot on, we wonder if they have seen the scripts or know someone in the writers' room," Burk says. "Then they stray so far off the mark, we know it's just a coincidence."

We do know a few things, however. We know that actor Greg Grunberg was asked to come back for the season finale. He was the pilot we saw getting ripped out of the cockpit and brutally killed by something we think is the monster.

Or was he killed?

In the recent Boone-centric episode, Boone tells Locke he's going to tell Shannon about a metal hatch they found on the jungle floor. Locke beans him and ties him up. Boone wakes up hearing Shannon scream. Eventually, he discovers "the monster" has killed her. Psych! It was just a dream sequence. Or was it?

At least we know we've seen the shadow of "the monster."

"Actually, we showed the shadow of the so-called monster during the (aforementioned) Boone episode," Burk says. "We were going to reveal it then, but because of the success of the show, we will put it off for a while."

Ok, who has that episode on their HD-Tivo, and can post a capture of the shadow?

^I already saw the clip over and over again. You really can't tell what it looks like. However...it is rumored that the season finale will end with a confrontation with the monster. (yes, just a rumor going around) Since the producers tell us we will see the monster before the season ends...that would be pretty damn cool.

But...they gotta make it look good. Otherwise, people are going to be let down REALLY bad if the monster looks stupid. People were saying that seeing how fake the polar bear looked in CGI made them hope for one thing: that they are saving their money to design and render the monster with a big budget.

Oh so tempting to check out the spoilers. But I will resist!!!!

Interesting thing about Boone -notice how he has that Ethan "look" in his eyes now. He almost seems like a cult follower of Locke. I wonder if there was something more to his encounter than a peyote induced trip to the spirit world.

Hey Locke! Did you see the size of that chicken?

Originally posted by mstahlkr
Oh so tempting to check out the spoilers. But I will resist!!!!
Wow...I assumed everybody would want to see more of the hatch but you are strong my friend.

Wouldn't it be wild if in an upcoming episode the survivors found Shannon's body in a streambed and Locke's body in a jungle clearing where they both met the monster? That'd be a trip.

Originally posted by auburn97
Wouldn't it be wild if in an upcoming episode the survivors found Shannon's body in a streambed and Locke's body in a jungle clearing where they both met the monster? That'd be a trip.
That would be WAY too trippy.

And I love Locke. He's one of the best things about the show. I can't wait for his next episode, which is due after Hurley's.

Originally posted by maxman
I've been curious about this post since Dynot originally posted it, and since I have nothing better to do:

I may be off by a couple, but I count 737 posts in month #4 (Dec. 22nd through Jan. 21st). This includes the holiday period, when LOST didn't air for at least 2 weeks, so:

Month 1: 1,132
Month 2: 828
Month 3: 620
Month 4: 737

For whatever its worth and since I started this and also have nothing better to do, here is an update on the posting stats:

Month 5: Jan 22 to Feb 14 about 2:45 EST: 460 posts
Extrapolated to a 30-day month and we're looking at around 600.

Take away CPanther's posts to bump up his reply counts ;) and we're looking at even lower numbers. Not a good trend.

Still, impressive stats when compared to other threads and when you look at the # of views.

Originally posted by neoufo51


By the way...remember when Scott died at the hands of Ethan? Well...
The real STEVE died and SCOTT is now impersonating to be "Steve." It seems that the guys were travelling together and have a past...and one of them has a secret and needed to pose as the other. I know what you guys might be thinking...gay couple? Maybe. I don't know. This storyline has not been filmed yet. And here is the proof that the above spoiler is true
http://kapio.kcc.hawaii.edu/upload/fullnews.php?id=138

4 BIG spoilers in one post...not bad.

just what we need on the show:
An Evil Charles Nelson Reilly! Uhh-OHHHHH!

Maybe you guys should start your own spoiler thread....:p

Originally posted by keenan
Maybe you guys should start your own spoiler thread....:p

hear! hear!

man it's tough not peeking.

Originally posted by jackshakes
hear! hear!

man it's tough not peeking.

Exactly, it's like trying to read another language as well...:)

^I already saw the clip over and over again. You really can't tell what it looks likeI watched it over and over as well. There was definition to the shadow but it wasn't recognizable. The more interesting part was watching the tree getting pulled straight up in the air, roots and all. I can't figure out why it removed just one tree that way.

Originally posted by auburn97
Wouldn't it be wild if in an upcoming episode the survivors found Shannon's body in a streambed and Locke's body in a jungle clearing where they both met the monster? That'd be a trip.

OK....for a sec I thought this said "Wouldn't it be wild if in an upcoming episode of Survivor...."

Now THAT would be trippy!

Originally posted by Dynot
For whatever its worth and since I started this and also have nothing better to do, here is an update on the posting stats:

Month 5: Jan 22 to Feb 14 about 2:45 EST: 460 posts
Extrapolated to a 30-day month and we're looking at around 600.

Take away CPanther's posts to bump up his reply counts ;) and we're looking at even lower numbers. Not a good trend.

Still, impressive stats when compared to other threads and when you look at the # of views.

Hi Dynot, glad you're back to do the counting --- It's a pain in the a**!

Terry O'Quinn will be on "The View" this morning (Wednesday, 11 eastern, ABC).

I hope he brings his knives ;)

Originally posted by mstahlkr
OK....for a sec I thought this said "Wouldn't it be wild if in an upcoming episode of Survivor...."

Now THAT would be trippy! And wouldn't it be great if we could get Shannon and Kate to take off their clothes while Jeff Probst offers them a food reward? The funny thing is... I have this HDTV and whenever people get naked the picture of interest becomes all fuzzy & distorted!:confused:

I heard an interesting interview w/ JJ Abrams this morning on KROQ in Los Angeles. He said a LOT of questions will be answered before the season finale, but ...

we definitely won't find out about the monster this season

... not really anything specific but spoilerized for those who don't want to know what question will remain unanswered.

He also said something interesting about the casting. I don't know if this has been reported before, but they had nothing written when they started casting. They came up with audition scenes for the actors to read. The characters were definitely inspired by the actors playing them.... and Hurley was the first to be cast (I think I had heard that before).

If they post the interview on-line I'll post a link to it.

and here i thought we'd make it a whole week without some lame comment regarding the females and their clothing.

It's not so much about their clothes... but rather lack of clothes....

Originally posted by jackshakes
and here i thought we'd make it a whole week without some lame comment regarding the females and their clothing. Sorry to disappoint you... but don't kid yourself because the "eye-candy" factor is indeed a BIG part of the show.;)

Yeah the questions they will answer are those raised by the back stories. IOW, stuff that delays the unveiling of anything in the present.

Originally posted by maxman
Terry O'Quinn will be on "The View" this morning (Wednesday, 11 eastern, ABC).
Oh god...that show is the worst piece of crap I've ever seen. I agree with CPanther. I wish he would gut every one of those idiots.

Or maybe he's going to pick up Star Jones for when they film the monster scenes?

Originally posted by PJO1966
I heard an interesting interview w/ JJ Abrams this morning on KROQ in Los Angeles. He said a LOT of questions will be answered before the season finale, but ...

we definitely won't find out about the monster this season

... not really anything specific but spoilerized for those who don't want to know what question will remain unanswered.

He also said something interesting about the casting. I don't know if this has been reported before, but they had nothing written when they started casting. They came up with audition scenes for the actors to read. The characters were definitely inspired by the actors playing them.... and Hurley was the first to be cast (I think I had heard that before).

If they post the interview on-line I'll post a link to it.

That's not a spoiler really. I read an interview with Damon Lindelof that they were going to show the monster before the season is done?

"In a recent interview with "Lost" producers Bryan Burk, Damon Lindelof and JJ Abrams, the trio said that Claire was still pregnant and promised "the monster" would be revealed before the end of this season. They did give us one clue: It isn't a dinosaur. We also got him to admit that this thing is bigger than a breadbox (much) and lives in the trees."
http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_2558572

they better show something or i dont think ill be tuning into s2

Originally posted by wasting
they better show something or i dont think ill be tuning into s2 But what will you watch instead? Joey?:eek:

BTW... Eliza Dushkue will be on "That 70's Show" tonight, so fire up the DVR!:)

Oh, stop lying! You know you're hooked. :p

I'd have to guess that the Monster is a Gorilla then. What else is big enough to be a monster and live in a tree? Sure some large cats, but are they monster material?

Originally posted by CycloneGT
I'd have to guess that the Monster is a Gorilla then. What else is big enough to be a monster and live in a tree? Sure some large cats, but are they monster material?
I doubt its a gorilla. Whatever took that pilot was fast and vicious because you immediately saw blood splatter all over the windshield. A gorilla would just grab you and hit you or throw you.

My guess is that its a very large reptilian creature.

Originally posted by neoufo51
I doubt its a gorilla. Whatever took that pilot was fast and vicious because you immediately saw blood splatter all over the windshield. A gorilla would just grab you and hit you or throw you.

My guess is that its a very large reptilian creature.
Oh.. you guys didn't hear?

They're actually doing a cross promotion between Lost and King Kong...

By the time King Kong is due to release, the second season of Lost will be at a point where they show you that the monster is in fact King Kong, played by Andy Serkis...


Big news, I'm suprised no one here has caught wind of it... ;)

Originally posted by optivity
But what will you watch instead? Joey?:eek:

BTW... Eliza Dushkue will be on "That 70's Show" tonight, so fire up the DVR!:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/duskhu1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/ElizaDushku_12.jpg

Originally posted by neoufo51

My guess is that its a very large reptilian creature.

How would that not be a "dinosaur" then?

One thing I like about the dress in that first picture.... easy access... :)

Originally posted by keenan
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/duskhu1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/ElizaDushku_12.jpg Now, this is what I'm talking about. Maybe someday there will be a spin-off / hot babes only version of Lost.:D Sorry jackshakes

Originally posted by rcwalters
How would that not be a "dinosaur" then?
Ummmm...reptile doesnt mean dinosaur, and dinosaurs arent closely related to reptiles anyway.

And can we please not mess up this thread with random pics? I mean Eliza Dushku is bangable but seriously she's not even on Lost.

She might be...:p

Originally posted by keenan
She might be...:p
Hehe, yeah she's whats under the hatch and Locke kills Boone and takes her to do stuff to her. ;)

Originally posted by optivity

BTW... Eliza Dushkue will be on "That 70's Show" tonight, so fire up the DVR!:)

screw sd!

Originally posted by neoufo51
can we please not mess up this thread with random pics? I mean Eliza Dushku is bangable but seriously she's not even on Lost. You must have missed my prior post announcing the spin-off to Lost called: Lost... 'the hot babes edition' starring: Eliza Dushku & Kate Beckinsale (http://www.geocities.com/katebeckinsale4/pictures/068.jpg):D

Originally posted by optivity
Kate Beckinsale :D

Another one of my favorites, she defined the term "hot" in that movie..:)

The Monster is something from Resident Evil's Umbrella Corporation.

Originally posted by scanpa
The Monster is something from Resident Evil's Umbrella Corporation.
Hopefully it will be better than that...but...

Looking at the hatch...I think the monster might be a biological experiment gone wrong.

Originally posted by neoufo51
I think the monster might be a biological experiment gone wrong.

Or my mother-in-law

Originally posted by neoufo51
Hopefully it will be better than that...but...

Looking at the hatch...I think the monster might be a biological experiment gone wrong.

The photo makes it look like a giant bread cooker or a xtra large crock pot!

^Don't describe what it looks like. I was just referring to the door everybody has seen.

that boar is messin with sawyer, i think he get caught thats why we see him in the jail when boone went to report his sister/lover being beaten

Originally posted by etcarroll
Isn't LOST in 1080i with 5.1 sound, cuz I'm getting 720p w/o 5.1.

OTA in Philly.

That would depend on your local ABC Ch. Here in Harrisburg PA it is 720P & 5.1

in another Forum here at AVS is a thread about what your local Ch is and isn't using.

ABC broadcasts in 720p.

Anybody else notice Ethan breathing as he lie there waiting to be buried?

Originally posted by maxman
ABC broadcasts in 720p. True except for WFAA (http://abc.go.com/site/hdtvfaq.html) in Dallas. They broadcast 1080i.

I caught on lost about 4 episodes in and for weeks it was the most anticipated show for me to watch all week... It has been going downhill and this episode has been the worst so far.... story doesn't move... no action... They are dragging...

Still watch it if there is nothing better on next week...

The coolest part though was after Locke told Sawyer his story he gave his evil grin like he knew what was up. Hurley "he'll catch me first because i'm fat and get cramps" LOL

Show is sent out in 720p to affiliates. If you're getting 1080i, it is just upconverted at the station.

Originally posted by sdf777
Anybody else notice Ethan breathing as he lie there waiting to be buried?

Was he? I was too busy looking at his hand. And I deleted it from my Tivo too!

Originally posted by CPanther95
Show is sent out in 720p to affiliates. If you're getting 1080i, it is just upconverted at the station. Or the STB is set to Upconvert instead of Pass-Through.

Originally posted by sdf777
Anybody else notice Ethan breathing as he lie there waiting to be buried?

Just checked the Tivo - no question about it, and at a fairly fast pace too.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Just checked the Tivo - no question about it, and at a fairly fast pace too.
At first I thought it was part of the story since they were talking about him coming back from the dead.

Originally posted by Deric
I caught on lost about 4 episodes in and for weeks it was the most anticipated show for me to watch all week... It has been going downhill and this episode has been the worst so far.... story doesn't move... no action... They are dragging...

Still watch it if there is nothing better on next week...



I definitely agree it was the lamest so far.

So Sawyer runs into Jack's dad in a bar. THAT's the big connection between them? Same routine this week: not much revealed but more mysteries offered (which probably won't be answered anytime soon).

Like Deric says, I watch because there's nothing better on. Even the previews don't motivate me to watch the next episode as they did earlier in the season. Too many letdowns.

You get the feeling Sawyer pointed the gun at Jack just so they had something dramatic for last week's previews?

Originally posted by CPanther95
You get the feeling Sawyer pointed the gun at Jack just so they had something dramatic for last week's previews?

That's exactly what I mean, CP. And somehow I think this tactic will backfire as more people begin to realize that.

Originally posted by CPanther95
You get the feeling Sawyer pointed the gun at Jack just so they had something dramatic for last week's previews?

I thought the scene from the previews last week was when he pointed the gun at the boar? I was thinking he pointed the gun at jack as one last teaser that something interesting might actually happen.

Ok so I have one question ... they've been there for a month yet Sawyer still has a working flashlight?

There was a case of batteries with the luggage.

right but I can't imagine they would have laster a month. well ... i guess if there were a good number and sawyer had been hoarding them all.

Man, everyone here must have ADD, cuz I thought this episode brought out a lot of good info, and pretty funny too, especially Sawyer's (John's) comment about "I've never had a one night stand" during their drinking game, and he asked "I have to drink for each one?" :)

Were you the same guys that complained about the X-Files never answering any questions, or answering them for us but then the evidence always disappearing before Mulder can prove anything? Of course they arent going to answer any questions now, of course you won't know everything by the end of the season... what would be the point of that? You're giving up on it cuz they won't spoon-feed you the ending... that's no fun

Tell me one other show on TV, besides 24, that makes you think about the show and can't wait for next week to roll around so you can get a little more piece of the puzzle? Nothing else out there keeps you intrigued to one particular storyline as Lost does... and that's the problem, everyone's so used to watching something and forgetting about it when its over, that we feel something like this, that makes us think, is too "slow".

There might be more to Sawyer and Jack's dad. When we saw Sawyer in the police station in Boone's back story, he made some comment like "it was his bottle, I just gave it back to him". What if Sawyer went back to the bar and got into an argument with Jack's dad over his "advice"? So he could have given the bottle back right over his head and killed him. The look on Sawyer's face in tonight's story was more than "oh, I know him" - it was more of an "oh crap!" look.

Originally posted by jbradway
There might be more to Sawyer and Jack's dad. When we saw Sawyer in the police station in Boone's back story, he made some comment like "it was his bottle, I just gave it back to him". What if Sawyer went back to the bar and got into an argument with Jack's dad over his "advice"? So he could have given the bottle back right over his head and killed him. The look on Sawyer's face in tonight's story was more than "oh, I know him" - it was more of an "oh crap!" look.
Exactly what I was thinking. They aren't going to reveal it just yet, but Sawyer obviously had something to do with Jack's father's death. How he died is still a mystery. Perhaps Mr. Sheppard was Sawyer's final con before he ended up on the plane.

I don't remember. Was Jack's dad beaten to death? I seem to remember that the shot of his body in the morgue was pretty unmarked.

I have no idea what's going on and have no new insights to add about any possible future developments. I'm not even sure the producers really do.

But I still really like this show.

- Tom

I really liked last night's episode. I thought it was one of the better back story episodes to date. Sawyer is one of the most interesting characters on the show. I thought last weeks episode was the worst of the season, way to contrived. The writers were out front in that episode, I kept saying to myself oh how convient.

I don't see any mention of audio or technical breakups from last night's show. Was it just me??

Flawless in Charlotte - check your local thread.

None here - Comcast South Jersey

Originally posted by Carl Jones
I don't see any mention of audio or technical breakups from last night's show. Was it just me??

We had moderate breakup of both audio and video, mostly late in the program. Not enough to miss any key dialogue, but a nuisance just the same. We were watching on Comcast in Garland, TX (Dallas).

Some of you guys are nuts. Just because last night's episode didn't do much to advance the overall plots, there were some great scenes, and as a stand-alone episode it was well done all the way around. Sawyer and Kate by the fire playing the drinking game was extremely well done by the actors, writers and directors when Sawyer gets personal with Kate. Then in the last scene, just when we think we've seen a softer side of Sawyer for sparing the boar's life, he has a chance to tell Jack that his dad loved him and respected him, but instead he chose to keep that info to himself to use for his own purposes. Same old Sawyer. The look on his face was priceless.


Oh yeah, and if I ever get stranded on a deserted island, I'll take Heid Klum, Kate and Michael. That guy can build one hell of a raft from scrap.

Originally posted by auburn97
Oh yeah, and if I ever get stranded on a deserted island, I'll take Heid Klum, Kate and Michael. That guy can build one hell of a raft from scrap.

If you're stranded on a deserted island with Heidi Klum and Kate, why the hell would you want a raft? :confused:

Best episode yet. I really think with all the breaks this show has had i'm gonna stop watching and just get the boxed set and watch it in one week.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
Man, everyone here must have ADD, cuz I thought this episode brought out a lot of good info, and pretty funny too, especially Sawyer's (John's) comment about "I've never had a one night stand" during their drinking game, and he asked "I have to drink for each one?" :)

Were you the same guys that complained about the X-Files never answering any questions, or answering them for us but then the evidence always disappearing before Mulder can prove anything? Of course they arent going to answer any questions now, of course you won't know everything by the end of the season... what would be the point of that? You're giving up on it cuz they won't spoon-feed you the ending... that's no fun

Tell me one other show on TV, besides 24, that makes you think about the show and can't wait for next week to roll around so you can get a little more piece of the puzzle? Nothing else out there keeps you intrigued to one particular storyline as Lost does... and that's the problem, everyone's so used to watching something and forgetting about it when its over, that we feel something like this, that makes us think, is too "slow".

Spot on. I thought last night's episode was strong from a character perspective...definitely not an action/plot installment though.

We saw that Sawyer/James/whatever-his-real-name-is isn't the total harda$$ he wants everyone to think he is (reinforces the seed that was planted by him carrying that letter around).

The "I Never" scene was great...funny, but low-key.

Locke revealed his "link" to the island again with his dog story...had nothing to do with the boar, but everything to do with Sawyer's backstory.

No one has mentioned the voices yet. Didn't they tell Sawyer that the boar was coming...said somethink like "it/they will come again"? That would imply the maybe they're not malevolent after all.

You action junkies might get your fix next week with the raft, based on the previews.

Originally posted by auburn97
...Then in the last scene, just when we think we've seen a softer side of Sawyer for sparing the boar's life, he has a chance to tell Jack that his dad loved him and respected him, but instead he chose to keep that info to himself to use for his own purposes. Same old Sawyer. The look on his face was priceless.

Or did Sawyer hold back because there's more to the story between he and Jack's dad?

Originally posted by CPanther95
If you're stranded on a deserted island with Heidi Klum and Kate, why the hell would you want a raft? :confused:

LMAO

Hmmmm.

After last night's episode we know...

Sawyer killed someone
Kate killed someone
Charile killed someone
Sayid killed someone
Jack killed someone
Ethan killed someone
Michael's son MAY have killed the bird or mom
Jin had blood on his hands, MAY have killed someone

...anybody else?

From all I hear about wild ideas like the dog is the bear and the island is alive and giving head trips to certain characters and Locke knows it, I really loved it when they said to him, "So, the dog was her daughter" and he replied "No, that would be silly."

Everything I have read about producer's statements is that this show will be character driven and it seems pretty good so far. Each character is supposed to have 3 back stories - a beginning, a middle and an end. So far for Sawyer, we saw his middle story first and then last night his beginning story with a tease on the end story. Next season we should see his end story possibly. With 14 cast members, it would be 42 back stories - enough for 2 full seasons. I am definitely liking what I am seeing so far and based on how much better story #2 for Sawyer was compared to story #1, I am just dying to see Locke's second story.

Who did Jack kill? I didn't recall him killing anyone so I may have missed it.

My wife and I were talking last night about how many people on the island have killed someone. We wondered how that plays in to the "why are they there" question.

I'm really curious to find out how Locke is tied in to the island. He's got something going on and we're wondering if he's going to end up being a good guy or a bad guy. As far as Sawyer last night, good info on him but he still aggravates me to no end. It appears that he loves to act tough but somewhere deep down he had a good spot. However, if I were on the island, I'd be pushing to have him secured in a cage of some sort so he can't keep hoarding stuff.

Originally posted by durl
Who did Jack kill? I didn't recall him killing anyone so I may have missed it.



...Jack had to finish the job on the Marshall that Sawyer botched..

You guys need to look at this like the X-Files. Not every episode was a mythology story where we learned more about the over-arching theme running through the series. Most of them, and in fact most of the best ones, were just stand-alone episodes.

Originally posted by petergaryr
...Jack had to finish the job on the Marshall that Sawyer botched..

Ah...that's right! Yet another person with blood on their hands. But Jack and Charlie (that we know of) killed after they got on the island.

I too deleted my ep from the DVR so I can't go back, but if you could really see breathing while wrapped in the tarp (or whatever) that's pretty lame on the production company's part. I mean they could have put a load of bricks in the tarp with a fake hand sticking out - and you wouldn't have seen it "breathing" at least.

As to Jack's dad's death - he wasn't beaten to death - did you guys suggesting this read the early parts of this thread or see the first Jack backstory? When he goes to sign for the body, he's talking to the doctor in Sydney who tells him his father died of liver disease consistent with alcohol abuse.

What I want to know is...the guy Sawyer shot in Sydney...was it the guy that conned his father and screwed up his family or not? I didn't get much out of the guy's dying words as to if he was the right guy or not.

Originally posted by fhall1
I too deleted my ep from the DVR so I can't go back, but if you could really see breathing while wrapped in the tarp (or whatever) that's pretty lame on the production company's part. I mean they could have put a load of brinks in the tarp with a fake hand - and you wouldn't have seen it "breathing".

Maybe they intentionally want to to show that Ethan was still breathing.....

What I want to know is...the guy Sawyer shot in Sydney...was it the guy that conned his father and screwed up his family or not? I didn't get much out of the guy's dying words as to if he was the right guy or not.

They implied that Sawyer killed the wrong guy. He owed Sawyer's buddy (Hibs?) some money, but wasn't the guy that desroyed Sawyer's family.

What I got from that was that Robert Patrick's character set Sawyer (and the shrimp guy) up. The shrimp guy owed Patrick's character money. He told Sawyer this was the guy Sawyer was looking for so Sawyer would kill him. Basically, Sawyer was manipulated into killing this guy who had nothing to do with his family.

Could someone kindly transcribe (roughly) the exchange between Sawyer and "Frank", What was Frank trying to say? Did Sawyer kill the wrong guy?

wow, I thought Sawyer was going to back out at the last minute there.

Sawyer was setup. He killed a guy that was delinquent in paying a debt - he had nothing to do with the con of his parents.

Originally posted by CPanther95
If you're stranded on a deserted island with Heidi Klum and Kate, why the hell would you want a raft? :confused:

Just realized there would be some value to having Michael on the island. He could build a raft, head back to civilization, and tell all your friends that you're on an island with Heidi and Kate. :D

related to Sawyer's backstory how many people were in the police station when Boone was there talking about his sister? I remember Sawyer being dragged through, but my wife also remembers Kate sitting at a desk talking to an officer. Was Kate there as well?

Frank told Sawyer that Hibbs didn't have to kill him - he would have paid Hibbs the money he owed. I guess Hibbs got tired of waiting and decided to kill two birds with one stone - get rid of a deadbeat debtor and "even" the score with Sawyer. Unfortunately, Sawyer learned the truth.

Sawyer was being sent back to the US, so they didn't catch him for the killing. There is no way they would catch a guy killing a business owner in Australia and extradite him to the US instead of try him over there.

My guess is that he gave Jack's father the bottle of booze that ended up killing him and they are holding him under suspicion of homicide, at which point his past catches up to him and back to the US he goes in custody.

Jack's father told him about not being weak and living to regret not doing certain things. That made Sawyer more resolved to go ahead with the shooting.

I don't have the episode archived, but the episode that first covered Sawyer's story, a couple of months ago, I thought I remembered Sawyer, as a boy, seeing the guy who conned his parents, and it turns out Sawyer, or whatever his name is, took the name Sawyer from the conman.

Now if that's correct, Sawyer is probably late 20's to early 30's (bad age judgement by me), but the conman couldn't have aged that quickly that Sawyer couldn't have remembered what he looked like. When Sawyer saw this Frank guy he looked like he didn't recognize the guy.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
My guess is that he gave Jack's father the bottle of booze that ended up killing him and they are holding him under suspicion of homicide, at which point his past catches up to him and back to the US he goes in custody. Why would buying a guy a bottle of booze get you arrested for homicide? Unless they got in a fight and Jack's dad collapsed but they later discovered Jack's dad died of liver disease and then released Sawyer.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Just realized there would be some value to having Michael on the island. He could build a raft, head back to civilization, and tell all your friends that you're on an island with Heidi and Kate. :D

Another reason: No matter how good looking Kate and Heidi are (and they are VERY easy on the eyes), eventually the nagging is going to get to you, and you are going to want to get away on the raft! :p

*duck*

Loved last night's episode. Every scene was good. This was a relief for me because I that last week's was one of the worst. I find the backstories the most interesting part, and I thought Charlie's part 2 was kind of weak.

No question about Ethan's "body" breathing. It was so clear to me that I didn't even rewind it. I can't imagine that would be a production mistake, but I read an interview dated Tuesday of last week with co-producer Damon Lindelof which said the following:
****
And after two episodes in a three-episode span featured major characters dying, only to miraculously return to life, Lindelof pledges not to cry wolf again.

"I promise you: The next time you see a dead body, that person's going to stay dead."
*****

Also, I didn't remember at all what Sawyer said in the police station, that's a great catch on what he said having to do with a bottle. The way they were bringing him in, it didn't seem like he was a murder suspect. If so, there would be no way he would be on a plane back to the US.

Originally posted by htevolution
The "I Never" scene was great...funny, but low-key. I agree. I thought this was a clever way to deliver key details without doing a plot dump.

But "I Never" was able to make one of those little airline booze bottles last as long as those two did.

Originally posted by Innova
Another reason: No matter how good looking Kate and Heidi are (and they are VERY easy on the eyes), eventually the nagging is going to get to you, and you are going to want to get away on the raft! :p

*duck*

Cue the Cedric the Entertainer Bud Lite Comercial from the Super Bowl:) .

Bitter much?

David

Here is what Sawyer said at the police station:

"...I was just sitting at that crappy, little bar, minding my
own business when this guy fell on my... It was his bottle! I just gave it back to him...".

Boone turned around and Sawyer continues:

"...Hey, yo, croc hunter! How come nobody wants to hear my side of the
story, huh? Just what kind of...".

[QUOTE]Originally posted by htevolution


No one has mentioned the voices yet. Didn't they tell Sawyer that the boar was coming...said somethink like "it/they will come again"? That would imply the maybe they're not malevolent after all.

Just my .02 worth, and I don't have in on the DVR to go back and check, but wasn't those same whispered words ("it will come again") that Sawyer heard in the jungle, the same words that the sweet shrimp dude guy said to him after Sawyer shot him. It was raining and he said something to the effect of "you don't know what is happening here" then he said something "it will come again". Hurley, is getting to be one of my favorite islanders. Last night he had a couple good ones. When talking about the monster he says "he'll catch me first because i'm fat and get cramps"and then later he says to Sayid something about "what's it like to have that desert storm syndrome." A few episodes back he was testing to see if that Jin dude spoke english by saying "your wife is hot". The dude is one funny mofo.

Hurley said he was "heavy", not "fat".

Originally posted by htevolution
Locke revealed his "link" to the island again with his dog story...had nothing to do with the boar, but everything to do with Sawyer's backstory.


Absolutely, that pretty much sealed it for me that Locke definitely has something going on with island, there is no way one could know things about people the way he has.

Originally posted by NorCal
Last night he had a couple good ones. When talking about the monster he says "he'll catch me first because i'm fat and get cramps"and then later he says to Sayid something about "what's it like to have that desert storm syndrome."

The funniest part was Sayid's response, "That was the other side".


A few episodes back he was testing to see if that Jin dude spoke english by saying "your wife is hot". The dude is one funny mofo.

Looks like we might get to see just how hot she is next week..:p

Originally posted by jake14mw
"I promise you: The next time you see a dead body, that person's going to stay dead."
Semantics, yes, but technically the next dead body was not Ethan, it was Scott/Steve. Ethan, we assume, killed him.

Originally posted by NorCal
[QUOTE]Originally posted by htevolution


No one has mentioned the voices yet. Didn't they tell Sawyer that the boar was coming...said somethink like "it/they will come again"? That would imply the maybe they're not malevolent after all.

Just my .02 worth, and I don't have in on the DVR to go back and check, but wasn't those same whispered words ("it will come again") that Sawyer heard in the jungle, the same words that the sweet shrimp dude guy said to him after Sawyer shot him. It was raining and he said something to the effect of "you don't know what is happening here" then he said something "it will come again".

He said "it'll come back around again", which is what the whispers were saying also. When Sawyer pointed at the boar and didn't shoot, it was showing that he changed his ways and wouldn't kill for revenge.

So now it appears that Sawyer has come to terms with what he did, Charlie has come to terms with his drugs, Boone has come to terms with Shannon, Michael has come to terms with Walt. Am I leaving anything out? I guess we still have a bunch of characters that need to resolve whatever issues they have. Just brings back more of the "purgatory" idea.

Another thing that I'm not sure has been mentioned yet, about this "Black Rock". In Hawaiian culture there are designated places on the islands known as "soul's leaps" where after you die, you exit from these places in order to get to the afterlife. There is even one of these places on Maui which is called "Black Rock". I wonder is this is the point of "black rock".

The whispering voices were a major part of the show for me. I'm beginning to wonder if they are in some sort of Matrix-y alternate reality. All of a sudden Locke can walk, voices are subtly heard before major events - I get the feeling they're all wired in to some sort of twisted experiment.

Or maybe not. Such are the joys of Lost!

Originally posted by chroma601
The whispering voices were a major part of the show for me. I'm beginning to wonder if they are in some sort of Matrix-y alternate reality. All of a sudden Locke can walk, voices are subtly heard before major events - I get the feeling they're all wired in to some sort of twisted experiment.

Or maybe not. Such are the joys of Lost!

The voices are the little bit that connected this ep. to the main story. Once again, a lot of padding going on.

Stil waiting for an all flashback ep.

Originally posted by keenan
Absolutely, that pretty much sealed it for me that Locke definitely has something going on with island, there is no way one could know things about people the way he has.

Locke saw the island's "monster" first-hand and survived. And Locke, perhaps more than anyone, can personally attest to the powers of the island, considering he was bound to a wheelchair prior to the crash.

I believe that Locke has been enlightened, saw the truth if you will, and does not necessarily believe that blurting it out to the others will be helpful or even believable. Surely he doesn't have all the answers, but seems at peace with his knowledge. Locke believes that these truths must be revealed to each of the survivors through their own experiences. He seems very willing to "guide" the others into gaining this knowledge on their own.

Well put, and I agree 100%.

Locke is 'da man!

Paul

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
Tell me one other show on TV, besides 24, that makes you think about the show and can't wait for next week to roll around so you can get a little more piece of the puzzle?
I know I shouldn't answer this question. I know I shouldn't but it's true... Smallville. If you think Lost has been dragging out the plot, Smallville has been doing it for four seasons. Has Clark become Superman yet? Nope. Has Lex Luthor gone evil yet? Not quite. Has anyone pieced together the Krypton/Native American cave drawing message? They're still working on it.

Why do I keep watching it? Because the plot is moving. The fourth season is slowly slowly slowly revealing how Lex's apparent goodness in previous seasons was more to get back at his evil father showing that Lex is something of a Charles Foster Kane character. Now that Pop is mostly out of the LutherCorp picture, Lex is becoming the bad guy we've been expecting for so long but is still conflicted over which path he should take. And Chloe finally knows Clark's secret abilities after being his best friend for over fifteen years but she's keeping this fact to herself. As his oldest friend, she could be a force in turning him into Superman and this season has revealed some of her painful history.

So thumbs up to the Smallville and Lost writers for providing actual character and plot development with long-term payoff instead of stuff happening every week. I just hope that Lost does a better job of padding things than Smallville has. This week's episode padding featured Kryptonite dogs that were trained to rob grocery stores. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by CPanther95
Just realized there would be some value to having Michael on the island. He could build a raft, head back to civilization, and tell all your friends that you're on an island with Heidi and Kate. :D
And he could also tell your friends that the island had polar bears and a big scary monster that roared and ate people but sometimes they came back to life. And the island cured a guy's paralysis and turned him into a knife-throwing roughneck. And there was this crazy French woman who tortured an Iraqi National Guard soldier for no apparent reason.

Wow, the Kate and Heidi thing is almost starting to sound plausible. :)

Originally posted by petergaryr
Hmmmm.

After last night's episode we know...

Sawyer killed someone
Kate killed someone
Charile killed someone
Sayid killed someone
Jack killed someone
Ethan killed someone
Michael's son MAY have killed the bird or mom
Jin had blood on his hands, MAY have killed someone

...anybody else?

Jack's Dad

Originally posted by petergaryr
Hmmmm.

After last night's episode we know...

Sawyer killed someone
Kate killed someone
Charile killed someone
Sayid killed someone
Jack killed someone
Ethan killed someone
Michael's son MAY have killed the bird or mom
Jin had blood on his hands, MAY have killed someone

...anybody else?

We also know that there is a boar who likes to F with Sawyer! :rolleyes: C'mon, move the story along. I keep wondering how long this show can really stay on the air. I like it and all, but how many more back-stories can you really give these characters? I think the producers are afraid that if they actually moved the story along the show would only last 2 seasons.

next week looks promising.

Originally posted by dlipetz
Locke saw the island's "monster" first-hand and survived. And Locke, perhaps more than anyone, can personally attest to the powers of the island, considering he was bound to a wheelchair prior to the crash.

I believe that Locke has been enlightened, saw the truth if you will, and does not necessarily believe that blurting it out to the others will be helpful or even believable. Surely he doesn't have all the answers, but seems at peace with his knowledge. Locke believes that these truths must be revealed to each of the survivors through their own experiences. He seems very willing to "guide" the others into gaining this knowledge on their own.
Hmmmmm.... Sounds a lot like a cult leader to me.

My wife and I had discussed this shortly after the first appearances of the monster (and it may have since been mentioned here). However, today I was reading some posts over at TVTome, and re-remembered this. So here's some more what is the monster theory:
The "monster," could be some large herbivore (not neccesarily a dinosaur)... Why? When it 'got' the pilot out of the plane, it did not eat him. Perhaps it was just grazing on the tops of the trees and the pilot was unfortunate enough to be in the way of its lips/teeth.... If it was carnivorous, wouldn't it have eaten the pilot? Some folks at TVTome were saying it could be a Moa (big, prehistoric Ostrich-looking thing). I'm thinking more along the line of some other saught of megafauna (some sort of big honkin' girraffe, elephant, deer... Look here: http://www.kokogiak.com/megafauna/strange.asp at the Indricotherium transsouralicum ... Also, if it was carnivorous, I doubt it could sustain itself on an island for very long (it'd tun out of food). The polar bears, being so large, could also be leftover prehistoric megafauna (but what the heck do they eat - unless they're just fignments...)

Those are my thoughts on it.

What is all of your takes on the "That is why the Sox will never win the World Series" line?

Is it meant just for humor, or is it there to show that unexpected (even miraculous) events will happen on this island?

Originally posted by snowcat
What is all of your takes on the "That is why the Sox will never win the World Series" line?

Is it meant just for humor, or is it there to show that unexpected (even miraculous) events will happen on this island?

That line was first spoken by Jack's dad in the Sawyer backstory. The same line was spoken by Jack to Sawyer. That is what triggered Sawyer to connect Jack and the guy he met in the bar (Jack's dad).

I agree that it was a way for Sawyer to tie Jack to his dad, but I just wonder what if the writers had something deeper in mind.

Just a little humor (in addition to the Jack/Dad tie in) to show that just a month before the possibility of the Sox winning the series was still considered very unlikely.

And a little reminder that they really are cut off from the rest of the world

Does anyone think the voices are telepathic in nature? Whatever effect the Island has, could be opening up those who have elevated ESP potential?

Just an Idea!

Originally posted by petergaryr
Hmmmm.

After last night's episode we know...

Sawyer killed someone
Kate killed someone
Charile killed someone
Sayid killed someone
Jack killed someone
Ethan killed someone
Michael's son MAY have killed the bird or mom
Jin had blood on his hands, MAY have killed someone

...anybody else? So if this is Hell which includes hotties like Shannon & Kate... Count me in!:D

Originally posted by dmbatch
Just a little humor (in addition to the Jack/Dad tie in) to show that just a month before the possibility of the Sox winning the series was still considered very unlikely.
But are we sure this was filmed before the Series? It could be sarcasm in response to everyone thinking the Sox couldn't win, but after the fact.

Remind me... who did Jack kill?

The marshall, who was pretty much on his deathbed anyways.

Originally posted by labmansid
But are we sure this was filmed before the Series? It could be sarcasm in response to everyone thinking the Sox couldn't win, but after the fact.
No, I think it was filmed after the series. The writers and everyone watching know they won, but the people on the island do not. I think it's just a way of injecting a little ironic humor into the show.

Ah... I thought it was assumed he killed him, but we didn't actually see it did we?

Considering they buried him, it's probably a safe assumption. ;)

Originally posted by tall1

But "I Never" was able to make one of those little airline booze bottles last as long as those two did.

I thought the same thing...."dang, he's taking some good swigs from that little bottle, but it never seems to get empty"

And they both got so lit from those little bottles neither one heard the boar make a mess of Sawyer's stuff???

If you haven't had booze in a while, your tolerance drops significantly.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
If you haven't had booze in a while, your tolerance drops significantly.
Exactly why I don't let my tolerance level drop!! :D

I saw Sawyer open at least 2 of those bottles. He finished one on the "one night stand" and then had a brand new one for the next "I never". The assumption was that they both consumed a few of them.

Does anyone think the voices are telepathic in nature? Whatever effect the Island has, could be opening up those who have elevated ESP potential?

They seem to be, and I also believe the polar bears were figments as mentioned earlier - it was definitely CGI and meant to appear so to us, the viewing audience.

Originally posted by maxman
They seem to be, and I also believe the polar bears were figments as mentioned earlier - it was definitely CGI and meant to appear so to us, the viewing audience.

Maybe, but I don't think so..

Originally posted by maxman
They seem to be, and I also believe the polar bears were figments as mentioned earlier - it was definitely CGI and meant to appear so to us, the viewing audience.

It was CGI because the state of Hawaii would not allow a polar bear to be brought out for filming. The boars are CGI as well. Hawaii is very strict on importation of animals. The polar bear was just more difficult to do in CGI, I think.

Originally posted by sdf777
Anybody else notice Ethan breathing as he lie there waiting to be buried?

I noticed that too. It was too obvious, and if his chest wasn't supposed to be moving, they would have reshot it - it's not that hard to hold your breath and not move...

There has to be something to this.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
It was CGI because the state of Hawaii would not allow a polar bear to be brought out for filming. The boars are CGI as well. Hawaii is very strict on importation of animals. The polar bear was just more difficult to do in CGI, I think.

The boars are CGI? Are you wathing in SD or HD? There is no way the boars are CGI, at least for most of the shots. They probably had something else run off with the tarp over its head, but that was a real boar at the end, and a real baby boar that Sawyer was holding.

Originally posted by cyberbri
I noticed that too. It was too obvious, and if his chest wasn't supposed to be moving, they would have reshot it - it's not that hard to hold your breath and not move...

There has to be something to this.

The thing with this scene is they didn't need a real person to play the body, so nobody had to hold their breath, just look at how real the CSI bodies look when they are dead. So if he was breathing and he was not supposed to as far as the story goes, then it was an incredible failure production wise. This lends me to believe if he was breathing, then we were supposed to see it and it has meaning in the story. I was watching his hand so I don't recall if he was breathing or not.

Hawaii has its own boars. Ever been to a luau?

Originally posted by herdfan
Hawaii has its own boars. Ever been to a luau?

That's what I thought, in fact you can go boar hunting on the big island I think..

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
It was CGI because the state of Hawaii would not allow a polar bear to be brought out for filming. The boars are CGI as well. Hawaii is very strict on importation of animals. The polar bear was just more difficult to do in CGI, I think.

This "CGI" was so bad, it HAD to have been deliberate. So bad, it was worse than "pre-CGI" effects from the '50's.

Originally posted by herdfan
Hawaii has its own boars. Ever been to a luau?

What we're seeing on the show are supposed to be "wild" boars, as opposed to the average male swine. Whether there really are wild boars in Hawaii I don't know.

Speaking of wild boar, anyone here ever seen the movie "Home From The Hill"?

Whether there really are wild boars in Hawaii I don't know.

Apparently there are:

http://www.smarthunter.com/catalog/FG.htm

Originally posted by keenan
The thing with this scene is they didn't need a real person to play the body, so nobody had to hold their breath, just look at how real the CSI bodies look when they are dead. So if he was breathing and he was not supposed to as far as the story goes, then it was an incredible failure production wise. This lends me to believe if he was breathing, then we were supposed to see it and it has meaning in the story. I was watching his hand so I don't recall if he was breathing or not.

For what it is worth, I read an article somewhere that the dead bodies on CSI are usually actors in heavy makeup, for realism. Until of course, they open them up ...

My bad about the boars, but I read they couldn't get polar bears on the island because of restrictions.

As for bad CGI, did anybody watch Category 6? I saw a scene with a semi that was so incredibly bad that I laughed out loud. Final Fantasy looked more realistic.

Yeah, the boars in the last episode were certainly real, but I thought the ones in the earlier episode (the first time they showed up) were CGI. Maybe they weren't, but it was dark and hard to discern. They certainly looked realistic.

Yes, I have been to a luau. I got married in Hawaii.

Originally posted by Bassman134
Until of course, they open them up ...

Well heck, that's no fun...:D

This thread is approaching 4,000 posts. Does anybody know which thread on the forum has or had the most posts?

This is definitely near the top in the Programming forum, but nothing spectacular if comparing with the Local area threads.

In the "recent posts" section, I saw an official Infocus 4805 (?) thread with close to 10,000 posts.

Originally posted by maxman
Speaking of wild boar, anyone here ever seen the movie "Home From The Hill"?

But the best use of boars in a movie had to be Hannibal - or maybe those were pigs?

Originally posted by heywood jablomy
But the best use of boars in a movie had to be Hannibal - or maybe those were pigs?

2 others: "Deadwood" and "Snatch".

When TV Guide did a story on Lost after it first was strating its run they said there are some real boars used but they also had to use CGI for some because it was too hard to get the real boars to chase people on cue...they just sort of stood around instead of running.

Did anyone notice that Harold Perrineau Jr.'s (Michael) real life wife (Brittany Perrineau: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1506774/) was in this episode. I assume she was the woman Sawyer brought home.

Xesdeeni

Originally posted by fhall1
I thought the same thing...."dang, he's taking some good swigs from that little bottle, but it never seems to get empty"

And they both got so lit from those little bottles neither one heard the boar make a mess of Sawyer's stuff???

Haven't you guys ever played a drinking game where you were trying to make sure you were the most sober person at the table (relatively, at least)? It's not hard to make a tiny sip from a bottle look like a big tug. ;)

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
Did anyone notice that Harold Perrineau Jr.'s (Michael) real life wife (Brittany Perrineau: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1506774/) was in this episode. I assume she was the woman Sawyer brought home.

Xesdeeni

I don't recognize her. :)

Originally posted by htevolution
Haven't you guys ever played a drinking game where you were trying to make sure you were the most sober person at the table (relatively, at least)? It's not hard to make a tiny sip from a bottle look like a big tug. ;) My brother in-law is not a heavy drinker, but his buddies are. Guess who wins big at their weekly poker games.:D

I had a room-mate in college who was successful having good looking women come to our dorm room and proceed to get them drunk. Unfortunately they usually passed out and "nice" guy's that we were... we never took advantage of the situation.:(

I thought this was a great episode in terms of fleshing out Sawyer's character. We now know why he's so filled with self-loathing, almost to the point of masochism - he killed an innocent man, and may have been involved in the death of another. Also, as others have mentioned, Locke is becoming almost a spiritual guide, helping others on the path of self-discovery.

Episodes like this are necessary to advance the plot; they don't slow it down. All great drama comes from well-developed characters; we must care about them one way or the other. Back when the season started, there was more action because all the characters were blank slates. Now it appears the writers haven't been "winging it" as much as it sometimes appears.

Between this show, '24', and the amazing new 'Battlestar Galactica', this has shaped up to be a pretty darn good season of tube. And 'Deadwood' returns in 2 weeks! The era of HD-DVR's has arrived just in time. :cool:

Good stuff.... That's all I have to say...





Well, not really... I'm pissed because I deleted the episode after watching last night... One of the few times I do, there's always something that gets mentioned here that I want to go back and see for myself.. (Ethan's breathing? Hmmm...)

Jack's dad was seriously downing the shots while talking with Sawyer... Clearly, he drank himself to death, but I'd assume Sawyer goes back to the bar where eventually Jack's dad croaks... Now whether the further connection Sawyer has there is only related to information that he has from Jacks dad (his feelings towards Jack, etc..) or if there is some other foul play, who knows...

.....4 aces we all know what this means ....right?

Originally posted by woodmanz
.....4 aces we all know what this means ....right?

No...

Four of a kind?

A casino in Deadwood?

http://www.fouracescasino.org/
Four Aces Casino - Deadwood, South Dakota

Originally posted by woodmanz
.....4 aces we all know what this means ....right?

Four points for Andy Roddick?

Originally posted by woodmanz
.....4 aces we all know what this means ....right?

Lost beat out Full House in the rating every time?

Sure you aren't thinking of Aces & 8's - the "Deadman's Hand" ?

Originally posted by woodmanz
.....4 aces we all know what this means ....right?

Tell us!

Hmmm.. 1 post from the guy, and he was never heard from again....


So, should we vote on if we think Ethan will pop-up out of the ground or not?

JayDog, I think it's time for some friday afternoon pictures!:cool:

Originally posted by AFH
We also know that there is a boar who likes to F with Sawyer! :rolleyes: C'mon, move the story along. I keep wondering how long this show can really stay on the air. I like it and all, but how many more back-stories can you really give these characters? I think the producers are afraid that if they actually moved the story along the show would only last 2 seasons. If you actually took time away from being impatient to actually watch the show, you might enjoy it more. The show is ALL about the backstories. That's the only way the show does move along. There are a limited number of mysteries on the island so far. The backstories, on the other hand, have infinite possibilites to surprise us. The plot occurring on the island has significantly less to do with the overall story than the characters' pasts. The payoff will only occur after we discover how everyone ties together. If that's not appealing to you, perhaps you should wait until the show eventually ends its run to watch.

Personally, I found the payoff of shows like the X-Files to be more of a bribe than some sort of windfall. It made me wish Chris Carter had stuck with the formula of earlier episodes. Too much information, in this case, really is a bad thing. Be careful what you wish for.

Originally posted by woodmanz
.....4 aces we all know what this means ....right?

Somebody's cheating?

Anything to make the day go by....
http://www.starswelove.com/scriptsphp/showimg.php?imageid=36862
(sorry, couldn't get the photo to embed...)

Hey, did you guys know she is only 25?

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Originally posted by maxman
They seem to be, and I also believe the polar bears were figments as mentioned earlier - it was definitely CGI and meant to appear so to us, the viewing audience. I suggested this once (never again) and flames shot out of my PC ;) Be careful.

Originally posted by archiguy
Between this show, '24', and the amazing new 'Battlestar Galactica', this has shaped up to be a pretty darn good season of tube. And 'Deadwood' returns in 2 weeks! The era of HD-DVR's has arrived just in time. :cool:

I'm right there with ya...if only BSG could be broadcast in HD it would be perfect. Lost is still hands down the best PQ around, the only thing that comes close is CSI Vegas (nightime skyline shots are awesome).

Originally posted by woodmanz
.....4 aces we all know what this means ....right?

I Googled this (as I'm sure others have as well), and the only thing that I found of "relevance" is a reference to Tarot.

In Tarot readings, four aces equals a favorable chance. Four aces reversed, however, spells dishonor.

Perhaps this does relate to Boone. Surely would if he were a character on Carnivale...

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Anything to make the day go by....
http://www.starswelove.com/scriptsphp/imagestream.php?i=hollywood/women/evangelinelilly/evangeline_lilly010b.jpg&vt=

Couldn't get the picture to embed... oh well...


Hey, did you guys know she is only 25? Thanks JayDog... and only 25? (http://www.starswelove.com/scriptsphp/showimg.php?imageid=36862)

Originally posted by optivity
Thanks JayDog... and only 25? (http://www.starswelove.com/scriptsphp/imagestream.php?i=hollywood/women/evangelinelilly/evangeline_lilly010b.jpg&vt=)

Yep, she's only 25...yum.

She's also dating Dominic Monaghan, who plays Charlie.

Originally posted by neoufo51
Yep, she's only 25...yum.

She's also dating Dominic Monaghan, who plays Charlie. Hm... not that there is anything wrong with Dominic Monaghan, but why settle for him when Brad Pitt & Tom Cruise are available?:D

Originally posted by optivity
Hm... not that there is anything wrong with Dominic Monaghan, but why settle for him when Brad Pitt & Tom Cruise are available?
Her dating Dom gives more hope to me, so I like this development.

And I'm sure that after Dom, she's going to be dating somebody "prettier."

Originally posted by optivity
Hm... not that there is anything wrong with Dominic Monaghan, but why settle for him when Brad Pitt & Tom Cruise are available?:D

Maybe he has more class.

Originally posted by neoufo51
Her dating Dom gives more hope to me, so I like this development.

And I'm sure that after Dom, she's going to be dating somebody "prettier." Unfortunately, when you get to be my age (almost 2x EL's) there is no hope left...:(

But I can retire in (7) years & my back doesn't hurt too much today!:)

Originally posted by maxman
Maybe he has more class.
Or maybe Dom looks adorable in a Teddy Bear costume. :p

I thought it was funny--and interesting--when Locke said "No, that would be silly," when asked if the dog was the daughter. The interesting thing is, if he had said yes, everybody would immediately think how silly that theory is. But by him discounting so quickly after telling the story as if he believed it, now you're more inclined to believe the dog WAS the daughter, than you would have been if he had said, "Yes. She's the dog." He planted the idea then distanced himself from it...leaving you to decide on it for yourself, and think that it's YOUR idea. Good psychology.

No, she likes it when he puts on his Hobbit feet and wig....

Originally posted by JayDog_2
No, she likes it when he puts on his Hobbit feet and wig....

Awww...the teddy bear thing was funnier. Luckily she is still 2 inches shorter than him.

Either way... Dominic is a lucky guy...

BTW, nobody mentioned this, but the last episode seemed to really show more facial hair growth on the cast... (for the men anyways... :D)

Anyone else notice this?

Maybe it was the same last week, but since this was, what... the second episode from the second batch? but just seems like suddenly they REALLY need to shave... Where's Locke with his shaving knife?

JayDog_2 - I noticed it, too. I was thinking, actually, oh, Sawyer must have run out of razors...

I wonder how long it will be until they start showing people scraping their faces with broken coconut shells (which must be what the girls are doing. Edit - not scraping their faces, obviously, but their legs and underarms... cause if they start trying to be realistic, this show is gonna get gross REAL fast.).

I had never heard of '4-aces' until a few days before taking it. A friend was on some and seemed to be thoroughly enjoying it, so I decided to try out this new psychadelic at our Halloween party, as did a few others as well. Of the three of us who took it that night I probably had the most intense and worthwhile experience with the substance. In fact, it had to be the most intense drug-induced experience of my life!

I don't think it has anything to do with the show, just probably a shirt they threw on this kid

I went back and saw Ethan's blue eyes, but I never saw that from Charlie. I thought I saw that on Boone, but I deleted that episode unfortunately.

If there is a virus/disease that can be seen to have the blue eyes symptoms, who do we have/potentially have with it? I recall Locke mentioning that Sayid was strong and "we will need him on our side" so I think there is a definite division coming on.

If this is the group:
Locke
Boone
Charlie

Who is next to be added to their club?

Originally posted by bronowyn
... cause if they start trying to be realistic, this show is gonna get gross REAL fast.).

Let's hope they don't get too realistic with Kate.

I think everybody on the island has been involved in some kind of killing or death some time in their past. We know that Kate has killed somebody, Sayid has killed someone, Sawyer has killed. Also Jin has most likely killed someone. Jack drove his father to drink himself to death. Even the boy was involved in the death of a bird (at least -- because I think he was involved in the death of his mother). Is it just coincidence that this many survivors of a plane crash have been involved in deaths? I don't think so.

As more is revealed each week, the list of people involved in the deaths of others grows. I think we'll find all have been involved in some sort of contribution to somebody dying.

Your overall point is valid, but:
a)we know that Kate said she killed somebody, not that she actually did; and
b)Jack did not "drive his father to drink." That is not even implied in his story.

So, who did Hurley eat? :D

Originally posted by tbb1226
Your overall point is valid, but:
a)we know that Kate said she killed somebody, not that she actually did; and
b)Jack did not "drive his father to drink." That is not even implied in his story.

I'm quite confident that we'll find that Kate DID kill somebody. All the evidence and her own confession obviously leads to that.

Let me clarify about Jack. Jack did what a professional and honest doctor should have done -- ratted out his father which destroyed his career and reputation. His father was already an alchoholic, but he became so depressed, that he ran away.. Jack's mother told him that his father left because of "what you did" and he "doesn't have any friends anymore." She told him that he could not "take care of himself" alone. He needed to be monitored. But because he ran away because of what Jack did to him, he lost control and drank himself to death. Yes, it's an indirect involvement, but it's there, nonetheless.

I haven't read all 4k posts, most, but not all. What is Vincents (the labs) back story? "Her" real name is Madison. Do you think they'll give her one other than she was the step dads dog?

2 points, the island is the key and locke is the answer?? The other is it's all about the baby. The physic's said you must get on that flight. I think something extraordinary will happen once the baby is born. Possibly leave that for next season?

Originally posted by tobwco
I haven't read all 4k posts, most, but not all. What is Vincents (the labs) back story? "Her" real name is Madison. Do you think they'll give her one other than she was the step dads dog?

2 points, the island is the key and locke is the answer?? The other is it's all about the baby. The physic's said you must get on that flight. I think something extraordinary will happen once the baby is born. Possibly leave that for next season?

The baby will be born this season. The big death occurs in the same episode.

Originally posted by neoufo51
The baby will be born this season. The big death occurs in the same episode.
Maybe Claire will not survive giving birth to her baby.

If we take the French Woman at her word, then there is a sickness that exists on the island. Evidence shows that Ethan had it. Locke met the monster and survived, but we haven't seen evidence of him being infected. However, he mentioned that they would need Sayid on "their side" and that means he realizes there is a division between two groups brewing. Boone, his closest follower, seems to be infected but I don't have the episode to confirm it saved.

If Boone is infected and he is buddy, buddy with Locke, then it stands to reason that Locke may be infected, too. That would make it difficult for Locke to be the key, as he would be the head of the opposition.

Of course, the French Woman doesn't want off the island.

5 days is too long to wait for an answer. If I went to Austrailia or Fiji, could I see the show on Tuesday?

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
5 days is too long to wait for an answer. If I went to Austrailia or Fiji, could I see the show on Tuesday? Just be sure you don't take the same "detour" that flight 815 took, or you'll get your answers first hand ;)

Originally posted by labmansid
Maybe Claire will not survive giving birth to her baby.
It has been learned by Kristin from E! that the person who dies is male and its NOT Charlie. The episode will have a theme about the "circle of life." With birth comes death...

Most likely it will be Michael who will wind up drowning during his attempt to escape the island aboard his raft. Michael is a popular, 2nd tier character, who is not central to the series plot.

Which would leave his son to bond with Locke, opening up lots of new plot lines.

Originally posted by maxman
Which would leave his son to bond with Locke, opening up lots of new plot lines.
I thought they already had bonded.
However... I doubt they will do much more bonding because according to the description for next week's episode Michael's raft gets destroyed, and he will still be around to keep them apart, unless he has a change of heart. Or dies some other way.

OK, Locke as Walter's new "father figure" if you will.

Just a quick OT note... MadTV will be doing a Lost parody this Saturday.

I still think that Jin will be the cast member killed off just because he doesn't speak English and connot interract with the other characters as well.

and I kinda get the feeling michael and Sun are supposed to get involved with each other ... which suggests michael won't die nor will he make it far on his raft.

Of couse, I don't think Jin being killed would make much of a difference to most people, and people seem to think the member who is killed off will be a big shocker.

The shocker could be who is killed off, or it could be how he is killed off. Heck, you could even have a shocker on why somebody gets killed off, but explaining why does not seem to fit with the current trend of the writers. ;)

Or it could be who kills them off. What if Walter killed an unknown (redshirter) in seemingly cold blood - that would be a shocker. ;)

What if Vincent kills the monster, what if Vincent is the monster? :p

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
I still think that Jin will be the cast member killed off just because he doesn't speak English and connot interract with the other characters as well.


I believe that Jin can and will speak english eventually!

Originally posted by ricwhite
I'm quite confident that we'll find that Kate DID kill somebody. All the evidence and her own confession obviously leads to that.I tend to agree, but I was only reminding you that, until we see it (and sometimes even when we see it ;)), nothing on this show should be considered "obvious."Let me clarify about Jack. Jack did what a professional and honest doctor should have done -- ratted out his father which destroyed his career and reputation. But because he ran away because of what Jack did to him, he lost control and drank himself to death. Yes, it's an indirect involvement, but it's there, nonetheless. Let me clarify my objection: Jack's dad is a grown man, and as such is responsible for his own demise (although we haven't seen his death yet, either, so who knows?). Even "indirectly" blaming the son is not appropriate, though I'm sure that Jack believes himself at least partially responsible, so I see your point.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
I still think that Jin will be the cast member killed off just because he doesn't speak English and connot interract with the other characters as well. What's with all this open discussion of some cast member Jack being "killed off?"

Have we stopped using spoiler tags at AVS Forum? :mad: ;)

I don't think that his comment I still think that Jin will be the cast member killed off is a spoiler at all.

There is a world of difference between spoiler and speculation and discussion. Speculating and discussing is one of the points of having a thread to talk about the show! Otherwise the whole thread would be spoiler tagged unless you're posting a rehash of the episode.

Of course, if someone knows something or heard about what happens, that NEEDS to be in a spoiler tag.

Originally posted by GrantMeThePower
I don't think that his comment is a spoiler at all.

There is a world of difference between spoiler and speculation and discussion. Speculating and discussing is one of the points of having a thread to talk about the show! Otherwise the whole thread would be spoiler tagged unless you're posting a rehash of the episode.

Of course, if someone knows something or heard about what happens, that NEEDS to be in a spoiler tag. What about this comment?Originally posted by jackshakes
people seem to think the member who is killed off will be a big shocker.There are several statements in the last page or two, speculating about who or how or why someone will die, but it seems generally accepted that someone will kick the bucket.I am not against speculation, but it's not fair to speculate on a spoiler without tagging it.

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Okay, now I'm confused...what's a spoiler and what isn't here anymore, I may have to stop reading this thread altogether...:p

Originally posted by tbb1226
]I am not against speculation, but it's not fair to speculate on a spoiler without tagging it.
As was said above, this whole thread is based on speculation. I may think Hurley bites it, but as long as I am only expressing my opinion and didn't read on a spoiler site that Hurley bites it, a spoiler tag is not needed.

Originally posted by keenan
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Okay, now I'm confused...what's a spoiler and what isn't here anymore, I may have to stop reading this thread altogether...:p
A spoiler is anything that is fact and hasnt aired yet.

Speculation is whatever a person thinks might happen meaning they have no actual knowledge of the events in question. Speculation is fine.

To everybody: can we please not jump on each other for thinking something will happen? Thats just annoying and fills up the thread with useless bickering. "I think (insert person here) will die" is NOT a spoiler.

Well, since you're the spoiler expert, I'll defer to you. I didn't mean to "jump on" anyone, only making a general observation.

BTW - what makes "bickering" more useless than anything else we do in this thread :p

Originally posted by neoufo51
A spoiler is anything that is fact and hasnt aired yet.

Speculation is whatever a person thinks might happen meaning they have no actual knowledge of the events in question. Speculation is fine.

To everybody: can we please not jump on each other for thinking something will happen? Thats just annoying and fills up the thread with useless bickering. "I think (insert person here) will die" is NOT a spoiler.

I understand all that, it's just that the post before mine was rather confusing especially since I did not read the "spoiler" part. :)

I think what worries some is that when a person says "I think" someone will do whatever, with all the previous spoilage that happened earlier, they might suspect that the person already knows that 'it" is going to happen but is presenting it in a theoretical manner.

Which shouldn't make a difference I guess, this whole thing is "spoiling" my dinner anyhow...:D :p

Originally posted by keenan
Which shouldn't make a difference I guess, this whole thing is "spoiling" my dinner anyhow...:D :p Just move the computer to the dinner table. The wife would appreciate that - guaranteed. ;)

for the record i don't read any of the spoiler tags, look for spoiler info on the net, or so much as watch cast interviews ...

so you can be sure anything i say is pure speculation and i'm speaking out of my ass.

Originally posted by NetworkTV
Just move the computer to the dinner table. The wife would appreciate that - guaranteed. ;)

Naw, I draw the line there, although, while in the bathroom, driving or even grocery shopping, those are all fair game..:D :p

Originally posted by NetworkTV
Just move the computer to the dinner table. The wife would appreciate that - guaranteed. ;) Get a laptop & go wireless...;)

Originally posted by tbb1226
Well, since you're the spoiler expert, I'll defer to you. I didn't mean to "jump on" anyone, only making a general observation.

BTW - what makes "bickering" more useless than anything else we do in this thread :p
Surely Lost is more important that discussing what a spoiler is and what isnt?:D

I just like to see what people think here. I'm a regular at the Fuselage but I love looking at HD stuff too. Very entertaining when you're at work or between classes

I don't think any mention of someone dying on a TV show would be considered a spoiler.
Come on, since the beginning of TV Series shows, someone always dies and there is the mystery of who done it or why. This is old news as far as TV Series goes. Someone dying on a show is 2nd nature and always expected.
Kind of like "Who Shot JR"?
We all know at the end of every season the headlines will be the same, "who will die"? Or "who killed who".
It's what keeps everyone tuned in and gossiping.

Yea, I know "JR" didn't die, beat everyone to it :-) But you get my drift.

WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!! 4,000 POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

(well, someone had to do it :)

Originally posted by tobwco
I don't think any mention of someone dying on a TV show would be considered a spoiler.
Come on, since the beginning of TV Series shows, someone always dies and there is the mystery of who done it or why. This is old news as far as TV Series goes. Someone dying on a show is 2nd nature and always expected.
Kind of like "Who Shot JR"?
We all know at the end of every season the headlines will be the same, "who will die"? Or "who killed who".
It's what keeps everyone tuned in and gossiping. "Please, please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who."

But technically, isn't the "fact" thatsomeone will die before the end of the seasona spoiler in itself, that should have always been included in spoiler tags, until it was aired?

Xesdeeni

That is a tough call as that was in TV Guide or People or something. It was pretty common knowledge. IMHO, a spoiler is something that you have to go look to find out. Either through a leak at a spoiler site or similar souce. Stuff in TV Guide is not really spoiler material.

Matthew Fox is on Tony Danza this morning. It's 27 minutes into the show, so I might have missed the segment.

I disagree. TV Guide made the choice to reveal it, but it's still about something that hasn't happened in the show yet. They chose to reveal this info, but it's still a spoiler.

Hopefully we can all agree that if it hasn't happend in the show yet, and you know it for sure, it's a spoiler. If you are just speculating, then it's not.

Xesdeeni

Well, since people have already died and will likely continue to die to further the "danger" on the island, I speculate that another person will die before the show is over. I speculate that person will be Jin because he doesn't really add that much to the plot other than tension - something they can add with his death.

Announcing that one cast member will die before the end of the season but not telling people who it is could be considered a spoiler by some people, but I think most would consider that a teaser. It has already been said that what is shown in previews is fair game for discussion without spoiler tags. The producers have been saying for a while that somebody in the main cast was going to die and they haven't really been hiding that. While it isn't in a preview - something like that is hard to show in a preview without showing who it isn't and cutting down the mystery.

I don't think this revelation was TV Guide's choice as much as the choice of Lost's producer or marketing director.

The only one that I really cannot see getting killed off would be Sun, as that would strand a character in a no-man's land for acting where he is incapable of verbally communicating with his peers. Anybody else, even Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Hurley and Locke are fair game. Still, I think they would try and keep the most interesting characters and so Jin is going to get killed somehow.

Originally posted by herdfan
That is a tough call as that was in TV Guide or People or something.

Not a tough call at all. If it hasn't aired on the show or the previews for next week's show - it's a spoiler.

Daniel Dae Kim was interviewed by local radio talent this morning. He said that the 02/23/05 episode will give us more of his character's back story.

YYMV