Originally posted by MrMike6by9
Daniel Dae Kim was interviewed by local radio talent this morning. He said that the 02/23/05 episode will give us more of his character's back story.

YYMV

That wasn't in a preview, so this is a spoiler. ;)

Originally posted by maxman
Matthew Fox is on Tony Danza this morning. It's 27 minutes into the show, so I might have missed the segment.

I hope Tony made Matthew Fox drive a car around the set.:D

Reference to when Evangeline Lilly was on Ellen. That was so funny and reminiscent of the Brady Bunch episode when Greg and Marsha had a driving contest. Eggs on top of cones for an obstacle course and everything... but I digress.

I had the same argument in the 24 thread about what is and is not a spolier vs. random, idle speculation.

Perhaps someone can pull the spoilers off into a new thread here, too?



Or would that require a Rombaldi device to achieve?

Originally posted by MrMike6by9
Daniel Dae Kim was interviewed by local radio talent this morning. He said that the 02/23/05 episode will give us more of his character's back story.

YYMV

I guess he's not on 24 this year. At least not yet.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Not a tough call at all. If it hasn't aired on the show or the previews for next week's show - it's a spoiler.
Well given that some people don't watch the previews, then discussing previews would be a spoiler to them. An interview with the producer is something the show wants out there. If your experience would be ruined by reading something the producer said, then you shouldn't be coming to a thread discussing the show. Lock your self in a room, cut off all outside ocntact and wait for the next episode.

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
But technically, isn't the "fact" thatsomeone will die before the end of the seasona spoiler in itself, that should have always been included in spoiler tags, until it was aired?This is the point I was trying to make when I made my remark about spoilers. Finally, somebody gets it.

I was only half serious, and I didn't expect a kind of "Spanish Inquisition" to result. Sorry. Please, carry on. :D

Originally posted by herdfan
Well given that some people don't watch the previews, then discussing previews would be a spoiler to them.

We can't please everybody, and the line had to be drawn somewhere.

Originally posted by tbb1226
I was only half serious, and I didn't expect a kind of "Spanish Inquisition" to result. Sorry. Please, carry on. :D

[Monty Python]

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

[/Monty Python]

Those of you young 'uns that don't know what the Spanish Inquisition was - go rent History of the World - Part I....they've got a quick, but pretty authentic depiction of what it was like.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
[Monty Python]

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

[/Monty Python]

Ahh....you beat me to it!

LOL

Originally posted by CPanther95
We can't please everybody, and the line had to be drawn somewhere.
Agreed. But it helps illustrate my point. The producers want the information contained in the previews to become public knowledge. They also want the information they provide in interviews to become public knowledge. What they don't want, (assumption is made they don't condone this) is information leaked by crew members and staff to internet spoiler sites to become public knowlwdge.

How can you draw the line in between the two sources of information the producers of the show want you to know?:confused:

Man, I can't wait until tonight's episode to give us something to talk about other than the definition of "spoiler".

Here's what we know as non-spoiler fact going into tonight's episode:
1) Michael's raft burns down
2) at some point, Jin is laying face down in the sand
3) Sun wears a bikini and loses a towel in the breeze

How freakin' boring would this forum be if all we could openly talk about is how Sun would look better in a red bikini than a blue bikini? Those of you who are so sensitive to the knowledge that someone will actually die on this show need to rethink visiting this thread.

Example of a non-spoiler
Someone will die this season (duh)

Example of a spoiler-
Jin will die in episode 19 when Walt shoots him from behind in retaliation for the frequent beatdowns that Jin administers to his father.

Here's what we know as non-spoiler fact going into tonight's episode:
1) Michael's raft burns down
2) at some point, Jin is laying face down in the sand
3) Sun wears a bikini and loses a towel in the breeze

Well, jeez, now you've ruined it for me! I didn't know these things were going to happen. Can't we just talk about non-LOST topics here?

Man, that stuff is on the commercials for this week. It's not a big secret.

And Locke starts preaching that they are not alone on the island...

I guess that just because we know something happened since it was shown on the TV doesn't mean the characters know it happened. Remember the golf game and one of them (Hurley?) mentions bears and another (Michael?) says "Bears???" and Charlie says, "Yeah, didn't you hear about the polar bear?"

How does somebody live on an island with NO TV, NO INTERNET, NO DISTRACTIONS and not hear about, oh yeah, somebody in our group of less than 50 survivors shot a polar bear with a pistol! We can't even ask if he has been living in a cave because they were not in the caves when they came across the polar bear.

Let's see: I am in the south pacific, going on an expidition and roar, here comes a polar bear looking to eat me. Blam, blam, blam, blam - polar bear shot dead by a gun. A gun, where the hell did somebody get a gun out of a plane wreck?" Oh well, let's go back to camp.

Back at camp: So, how was the trek? Anything interesting happen? "The trek was boring. Nothing much happened" I reply.

--OR--

Back at camp: So, how was the trek? Anything interesting happen? "Dude, we were in the jungle and out of nowhere, a polar bear attacked us. A polar bear - where the hell did that come from? Anyway, just as weird, apparently one of the guys in our group is packing some heat because he whips out a gun and starts shooting! I didn't see anybody check a polar bear in as a pet, so this is a total mystery." I reply. "A polar bear? Yawn. That's nice. I think I will take a nap. Wake me up when Locke kills another boar."

If people really don't want to know anything about the show except what's in the show every week, they certainly wouldn't (or shouldn't) be on this thread, so discussing ads for the show or previews after an episode shouldn't be fussed over as spoilers.

I made the mistake of reading my TV guide this morning... and have a good idea about what will happen on Lost tonight... raft burning, etc...:(

Anyone catch "The 4400" on SciFi last night? It reminds me of last year's SciFi mini series "Taken." Even the lead male character is the same.

Originally posted by cyberbri
If people really don't want to know anything about the show except what's in the show every week, they certainly wouldn't (or shouldn't) be on this thread, so discussing ads for the show or previews after an episode shouldn't be fussed over as spoilers.


EXACTLY!! And getting upset because someone made a vague reference that someone will die at some point in the future is ridiculous!

OT- about the 4400.. I LOVED it. I can't compare it to that other series... but they showed in over the summer... and I thought they would make it a show.. but it seems to be marketed as a "miniseries", so I suppose there's no hope of that.

I think all of these "previews are a spoiler" people should make their own thread. ESPECIALLY because previews and commericals are RARELY what happens on the show. I mean, who else thought that Sawyer was going to shoot jack from teh commericials from last week? And did that happen... NOOO.

I came here to speculate, discuss, and try to get some insight into theories about what's going to happen... Remember the "I think it's purgatory"... and "The baby must be really important to the story" "And Locke has a disease, yadda yadda"... I would love to speculate how this island has to be pretty big (if there's others living on there that there is no interaction with)... so why the heck isn't it on a map?

*sigh*

Previews are almost always as misleading as possible without being out-right lies. And thats on almost all shows, not just Lost. . .

OK guys, enough defining or trying to re-define "spoiler". The definition was established long ago. Feel free to start a new thread with your own definition in the first post.

One final time:

Once a show airs at it's earliest time (presumably EST), anything that happens on that show - including the previews for the following week - are fair game for open discussion. Any speculation based on that previously aired material is also fair game.

Anything else - from any other source - should be presented in spoiler tags. Any discussion based on a spoiler should also be spoiler tagged.

I'll do my best to get anything in spoiler tags as quickly as possible, but I may screw up (apologies rogo ;) ). I'll likely have the "better safe than sorry" attitude, and will correct if something was mis-interpreted.

CP95, you must be tired of reiterating that.... It's probably at least the third or fourth time in this thread alone...

I almost thought I was back about 10 pages in the thread... deja vue... :)


On a side note, I've noticed a few posters here have crept up on my total posts in this thread... CP95 & keenan, for instance... ;)

I fear that after tomorrow, I will no longer hold the top spot...

I'm back to a schedule where I watch Wed's shows on Thursday night... Oh well, it's been a good ride... :D

Originally posted by JayDog_2
CP95, you must be tired of reiterating that.... It's probably at least the third or fourth time in this thread alone...

It's a hell of a lot better than re-defining spoiler and having this conversation in about 30 other threads.

Who says this island isn't on a map? But just how many people go and get a map of Kiribati? And that island is inhabited, yet the only thing that goes there is Norweigian Cruise Lines. I am sure there are plenty of other islands that are on a map somewhere that have not had visitors in the last 20 years just because they are far too remote to be of use to anybody.

Well, it got us talking anyways. ;)

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
Who says this island isn't on a map? But just how many people go and get a map of Kiribati? And that island is inhabited, yet the only thing that goes there is Norweigian Cruise Lines. Then you're saying after Michael's raft burns tonight... he imagines the QM2 shows up to rescue the survivor's while providing all the opulent comfort they so richly deserve.:D

Originally posted by bronowyn
OT- about the 4400.. I LOVED it. I can't compare it to that other series... but they showed in over the summer... and I thought they would make it a show.. but it seems to be marketed as a "miniseries", so I suppose there's no hope of that.
I taped it on the SciFi Channel last night. I heard its awesome and I can't wait to see it. A friend of mine told me it kind of resembles Lost but with aliens and people being lost, then found...with weird abilities.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Once a show airs at it's earliest time (presumably EST), anything that happens on that show - including the previews for the following week - are fair game for open discussion. Any speculation based on that previously aired material is also fair game.

Anything else - from any other source - should be presented in spoiler tags. Any discussion based on a spoiler should also be spoiler tagged.


Can't get much simpler than that. And I like simple things, I don't get as many headaches that way...:D :p

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
And Locke starts preaching that they are not alone on the island...



He reminded me of "Justin" from Carnivale in that scene, I can see him becoming the "spiritual" leader of this group real soon. He's already demonstrated that he has some sort of religious-type connection with the island.

BTW, what ever happened to the black woman who is sure her husband is still alive? I betcha Locke "helps" her find him...

Originally posted by keenan
He reminded me of "Justin" from Carnivale in that scene, I can see him becoming the "spiritual" leader of this group real soon. He's already demonstrated that he has some sort of religious-type connection with the island.

BTW, what ever happened to the black woman who is sure her husband is still alive? I betcha Locke "helps" her find him...
She's coming back as evidenced by the promotional images on Lost-media. I'm sure she will play a bigger role as time goes on.

I'm just waiting for Locke's episode, "Deux Ex Machina" (yes, Deux, not Deus, weird huh? Something in twos? Let not forget this is French, the shows other language) That is going to be one hell of an episode since it deals more with Locke's past at the same time they begin to unearth...the hatch.

Originally posted by keenan
He reminded me of "Justin" from Carnivale in that scene, I can see him becoming the "spiritual" leader of this group real soon. He's already demonstrated that he has some sort of religious-type connection with the island.

Except that Brother Justin is the embodiment of evil. Locke, on the other hand, seems to want to help his fellow castaways discover hidden truths about themselves; he seems to be "good".

BTW, what ever happened to the black woman who is sure her husband is still alive? I betcha Locke "helps" her find him...

My prediction is that Rose's husband will be part of another group of survivors that will be "discovered" at the end of this season or the beginning of the next. This will set up a host of new plot possibilities as the two groups interact. More backstories, too. Based on the ratings success, this show may go on for several years; they've got to establish more plotlines.

Originally posted by archiguy
My prediction is that Rose's husband will be part of another group of survivors that will be "discovered" at the end of this season or the beginning of the next. This will set up a host of new plot possibilities as the two groups interact. More backstories, too. Based on the ratings success, this show may go on for several years; they've got to establish more plotlines. [/B]
If those people are alive I will go nuts. They had less a chance than the 48 (now 46) did originally. After seeing the tail split off like that...no way.

Originally posted by neoufo51
She's coming back as evidenced by the promotional images on Lost-media. I'm sure she will play a bigger role as time goes on.

I'm just waiting for Locke's episode, "Deux Ex Machina" (yes, Deux, not Deus, weird huh? Something in twos? Let not forget this is French, the shows other language) That is going to be one hell of an episode since it deals more with Locke's past at the same time they begin to unearth...the hatch.
I'll spoiler tag this because it came from someone who claimed they played a small role in this series... (same thing I brought up when Locke's backstory first aired last fall...)
I'm still holding on to the idea that Locke kills his supervisor at the Box Company he was working for. Last fall I mentioned that I 'met' this guy who claimed to play a role in 'Lost' where he was killed off... He didn't say who, but resembled the guy that played Locke's a-hole supervisor... It may also be that they filmed a scene where Locke kills him, but decided not to use it, or they are saving it for his next backstory installment... not sure what it will add to the whole story, but I am interested in seeing what happens with Locke's backstory...

Locke can't be like Brother Justin, he doesn't have a sister on the island that he can get all gross and incestual with. Not yet, anyways.

I'm just looking forward to tonight. The Raft looks really cool.. and I can't wait for more to be revealed about Jin and Sun. I hope more is revealed anyways. :) I thought I saw in a commercial Sharon and Sahid getting more cozy, too.. anyone else notice that?

Originally posted by bronowyn
I thought I saw in a commercial Sharon and Sahid getting more cozy, too.. anyone else notice that? I did notice them gettin' kinda cozy -- but during last week's episode. She was nursing his wounds at the end. Raised my eyebrows a little.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
I'll spoiler tag this because it came from someone who claimed they played a small role in this series... (same thing I brought up when Locke's backstory first aired last fall...)
I'm still holding on to the idea that Locke kills his supervisor at the Box Company he was working for. Last fall I mentioned that I 'met' this guy who claimed to play a role in 'Lost' where he was killed off... He didn't say who, but resembled the guy that played Locke's a-hole supervisor... It may also be that they filmed a scene where Locke kills him, but decided not to use it, or they are saving it for his next backstory installment... not sure what it will add to the whole story, but I am interested in seeing what happens with Locke's backstory...
Seems kinda predictable and if was a producer I would avoid that storyline. Unless they can make it interesting...I doubt that is true.

Besides...
Lots of extras look like Randy the ******* supervisor. He looks like your typical run of the mill Hollywood 20something jerk. Also, Locke seems kind of apprehensive with violence, such as when dealing with Michael, but hey, he was able to hit Boone. (but that was for his own good)I just can't see how Locke would kill Randy...run him over with his wheelchair?

Originally posted by neoufo51
Seems kinda predictable and if was a producer I would avoid that storyline. Unless they can make it interesting...I doubt that is true.
True... plus I don't know what it could add to the story, except that there would be another survivor that has killed someone in their past... which seems to be an ever increasing connection the survivors have...
I guess more than anything it would give some truth to what I heard... and if not then I'll know the guy was a lying POS... ;)


Side note... I feel like writing these 'spoilers' in a way that make it too irresistable for non-spoiler readers to read... it's all about the cliff-hangers.. :)

Like the part where Jack is.... not really doing anything, just a joke... and then suddenly.... Kate rips her cloths off and... it goes on from there...

Originally posted by archiguy
Except that Brother Justin is the embodiment of evil. Locke, on the other hand, seems to want to help his fellow castaways discover hidden truths about themselves; he seems to be "good".


Hmm...yes, "seems" to be "good", like the Edsel "seemed" like a good idea...:p :D

Originally posted by archiguy
Except that Brother Justin is the embodiment of evil. Locke, on the other hand, seems to want to help his fellow castaways discover hidden truths about themselves; he seems to be "good".
By season's end I predict the characters will split into two camps...

The Good side will consist of: Claire, Jack, Hurley, Walt, Michael, Locke and Sun

The Bad side (with bank robbers & murderers) will be: Kate, Boone, Charlie, Sayid, Sawyer, Jin and Shannon.

Murder & mayhem to ensue during season two...:eek:

Hurley was on Japanese TV in the guys house

Originally posted by ftboomer
Hurley was on Japanese TV in the guys house


I caught that too. I had to rewind it to make sure it was him.


Outstanding !!!!

Was he selling cars?

Chris

The son!

The ending was terrific. I was thinking as Hurley wandered around listening to his CD player how many posts would complain that he's still got batteries . I laughed out loud when it died and his response. A classic!!!!!!!!

I seen Hurley on the chinese tv too, thats why i came on to post. haha. Wonder what is up with that?

Next week's episode looks better

****, finally! cant wait for next week. see whos on this island!

I was saying to my wife "He still has batteries???" when it died. At first I thought my recorder was skipping the audio or something ;). Great episode, I'm glad to see some other backstories.

just so there's no arguing...it was Korean TV... :)

By far, the Best episode since fairly early on..

It looked to me that Hurley on the TV could have been a part of a US Sitcom that was voiced over in Korea.. He clearly doesn't speak Korean and that's what was coming from the TV?

I missed Hurley being on TV (korean presumably since they are korean), will have to replay the ep. I would guess it's because

he won a huge lottery, or at least that's what's been hinted at by Wanda and TV guide in the past, and the money turns out to be a nightmare for him

Next week's episode is definitely can't miss

Originally posted by madpoet
I was saying to my wife "He still has batteries???" when it died. At first I thought my recorder was skipping the audio or something ;). Great episode, I'm glad to see some other backstories.

I thoughy my DD 5.1 was going nutty. Cool little twist there. Kinda reminds me of that movie where Jim Carey plays Andy Kaufman and he messes with the vertical picture adjustment and the guy starts wacking the tv. Solid episode. I like Jin's backstory....It wasn't realistic where he told his wife it was too late..He'd be wanting to get some after all this time on the Island.....And she looked pretty damn good in that bikini!!!!!

On lost-tv.com someone says the Korean translation of the words on the TV when Hurley was on is:

Hugo Reyes convicted of Money Laundering and Malicious cyber crimes. Sentenced to 15 years.

Thought it was a great episode. Wasn't impressed with Sun in the bikini (has nothing resembling a butt, IMO). Didn't notice Hurley on tv. Laughed hard when the batteries died (after I realized it wasn't a problem with my stuff). Liked the scene with Walt and Locke (good to see at least a couple of 'em like it there). My favorite line was when Shannon said to Sayid something like, "Well, let's get some rope, spend a Saturday night together and see what happens." Nice.:D

I liked the fact that Sun was wearing her wedding ring at the beginning of the episode but not at the end.

I was watchin and was like i just dont see this show as one that should end with music... but hten wow i got a good laugh out of it.. that was an ending..

chris

Originally posted by nuzzy
On lost-tv.com someone says the Korean translation of the words on the TV when Hurley was on is:

Hugo Reyes convicted of Money Laundering and Malicious cyber crimes. Sentenced to 15 years. Man, I would really like some independent confirmation on this!

Let not forget this is French, the shows other language)

So do I have to boycott LOST from now on?

Except that Brother Justin is the embodiment of evil. Locke, on the other hand, seems to want to help his fellow castaways discover hidden truths about themselves; he seems to be "good".

So does Brother Justin, on the surface!

...and I can't wait for more to be revealed about Jin and Sun. I hope more is revealed anyways. :)

I believe this is the first backstory that included scenes from a previous backstory. We're getting some bits and pieces. Interesting!

Originally posted by ftboomer
Hurley was on Japanese TV in the guys house

Whoa! Good job! I totally missed that!

I thought it was a nice twist that Jin, whom we so quickly jumped to the conclusion that he had become a "hit-man" for his father-in-law, turned out to be a decent human being after all. I suspected he was lying when he said his own father was dead, although I wasn't quite sure why at first, but had my suspicions. I was also doubtful he was responsible for setting fire to the raft; after all he should have figured if Michael was building it that was a way to get Michael off the island and out of his hair. When they showed his burnt hands, I was almost convinced, however. Tricky!! :)

Did you all notice in the last shot that Claire was siloueted in the distance sitting in the sand leaning back on her elbows (with large belly) and Hurley was in the same pose in the foreground? And right at the end he seemed to look down at his large stomach.

Seriously ppls! Some of us that live on the West Coast havent seen it yet! PLEASE use the spoiler feature for pete's sake. My lord....

Originally posted by nuzzy
On lost-tv.com someone says the Korean translation of the words on the TV when Hurley was on is:

Hugo Reyes convicted of Money Laundering and Malicious cyber crimes. Sentenced to 15 years.
I wonder why would they care about something like that on Korean TV? It also looked like he was shown driving from inside the vehicle, or close by, in the second clip of the TV, putting up his hand like he didn't want to be filmed. He obviously appeared as though he was getting some unwanted attention.

Originally posted by maxman
Whoa! Good job! I totally missed that!

Yep. The scene where the Environmental Minister gave away his daughter's dog. That's what the daughter was watching on TV. It would be very interesting to confirm what the Korean banner was when he was being shown. Seemed like he was getting into a car, but whether he was being forced into a police car??? Interesting...

Definitely one of the better episodes. Especially when Locke finally told it as it was. I'd like to know what Jin was saying to Michael as he was taking that punishment.

Originally posted by DrCrawn
Seriously ppls! Some of us that live on the West Coast havent seen it yet! PLEASE use the spoiler feature for pete's sake. My lord....

It was understood that the west coast knew enough not to read the thread until after they had seen the episode. Your bad, not mine...

Originally posted by DrCrawn
Seriously ppls! Some of us that live on the West Coast havent seen it yet! PLEASE use the spoiler feature for pete's sake. My lord....
I thought this was made clear just a few posts earlier.
:confused: :confused:

Originally posted by CPanther95
OK guys, enough defining or trying to re-define "spoiler". The definition was established long ago. Feel free to start a new thread with your own definition in the first post.

One final time:

Once a show airs at it's earliest time (presumably EST), anything that happens on that show - including the previews for the following week - are fair game for open discussion. Any speculation based on that previously aired material is also fair game.

Anything else - from any other source - should be presented in spoiler tags. Any discussion based on a spoiler should also be spoiler tagged.

I'll do my best to get anything in spoiler tags as quickly as possible, but I may screw up (apologies rogo ;) ). I'll likely have the "better safe than sorry" attitude, and will correct if something was mis-interpreted.

Originally posted by jabbathespud
I liked the fact that Sun was wearing her wedding ring at the beginning of the episode but not at the end.
Wasn't she wearing it shen she was wrapped in the blanket before it blew off into the wind and she walked into the water?

Originally posted by seldenpat
I'd like to know what Jin was saying to Michael as he was taking that punishment.
Based on what Sun said later I bet it was something to the effect of "I didn't burn it", or "I was trying to put it out, you dumb $#@&" !!:D

Originally posted by DrCrawn
Seriously ppls! Some of us that live on the West Coast havent seen it yet! PLEASE use the spoiler feature for pete's sake. My lord....

Why in the world would you be reading the thread 2 hours before it airs on the west coast knowing full well people on the east coast are discussing it? Duh!

Originally posted by madpoet
The son!
What?????

"Let not forget this is French, the shows other language)"

Originally posted by maxman
So do I have to boycott LOST from now on? No, we can all be hypocrites... after all; the French still make the best wine!;)

Let not forget this is French, the shows other language)
I thought it was Korean. ;)

What was the deal with the guy not opening a factory?

Originally posted by wco81
What was the deal with the guy not opening a factory?
I think he was with some government agency that was responsible for shutting it down due to regulation violations, or something to that effect.

Originally posted by fhall1
Did you all notice in the last shot that Claire was siloueted in the distance sitting in the sand leaning back on her elbows (with large belly) and Hurley was in the same pose in the foreground? And right at the end he seemed to look down at his large stomach.

Now THAT would be funny. Has he been having cravings?

That was an interesting exchange between Locke and Walt at the end. Of course that was no surprise when Locke said "I like it here, too". When he said that, I told the wife "I just bet he does!". What really got me, though, was when Locke told Walt that his own Dad was "not cool". Makes me wonder if Locke's Dad is somehow involved with his former condition. Or maybe Jack's Dad operated on him while tanked up!! :eek: Should be an interesting backstory, Part Deux!! :)

And what this factory owner was going to intimidate and then kill the govt. official?

Pretty implausible.

Originally posted by seldenpat
It was understood that the west coast knew enough not to read the thread until after they had seen the episode. Your bad, not mine...

I guess since I'm not a Lost thread regular I had no idea that this was an understanding. And I dont read here every single day, so yes my bad not yours...thanks for setting me straight.

A simple word a the top of message "Spoiler" isnt that much to ask IMO and makes it very easy to distinguish.

I'm glad you all had a nice chance to flame me over my ignorance.

Originally posted by DrCrawn
I guess since I'm not a Lost thread regular I had no idea that this was an understanding. And I dont read here every single day, so yes my bad not yours...thanks for setting me straight.

A simple word a the top of message "Spoiler" isnt that much to ask IMO and makes it very easy to distinguish.

I'm glad you all had a nice chance to flame me over my ignorance.

Please...I'm not about to check your frequency on a thread of over 4000 posts and my comment was FAR from a flame...

West coast checking in (+1 hour to allow for commerical snipping). What a great show. How on earth are the writers going to keep this up?

I don't know which is funnier.

1. that the guy checked the thread after the east coast feed had been shown.
2. That the guy then had to post about it,
3. That the guy then chatised everyone for discussing the show in the thread because he hadn't seen it yet.
4. That the guy then makes a snippy reply when someone points this out to him.

Relax and have fun, people are going to post and not always use spoiler tags.

Originally posted by CycloneGT
I don't know which is funnier.

1. that the guy checked the thread after the east coast feed had been shown.
2. That the guy then had to post about it,
3. That the guy then chatised everyone for discussing the show in the thread because he hadn't seen it yet.
4. That the guy then makes a snippy reply when someone points this out to him.

Relax and have fun, people are going to post and not always use spoiler tags.

The funniest part is your chronology of events...:D :p

Originally posted by seldenpat
I'd like to know what Jin was saying to Michael as he was taking that punishment.

I think it roughly translates to "I know you are, but what am I?"


But seriously...did anyone notice that Sun's father had his wedding ring on his right hand? I noticed when he first shook hands with Jin. Is that a Korean custom or something?

By season's end I predict the characters will split into two camps...
The Good side will consist of: Claire, Jack, Hurley, Walt, Michael, Locke and Sun
The Bad side (with bank robbers & murderers) will be: Kate, Boone, Charlie, Sayid, Sawyer, Jin and Shannon.


I think it will split into those who want to stay and those who want to go. Obviously Locke, Walt, and Boone want to stay while Michael and Sawyer want to go.

It has already been implied that the French woman prevented her companions from leaving and Locke has alluded to needing Sayid on "their side". This seems to indicate an upcoming confrontation between the 2 camps, but why?

Originally posted by optivity
"Let not forget this is French, the shows other language)"

No, we can all be hypocrites... after all; the French still make the best wine!;)
Make the best whine too :)

I have two (actually, three) questions about last night's episode:
(1) Why did Sun, when finally telling Jin at the end that she had planned on leaving him, switch to speak in English, especially after first pleading to save their marriage in Korean?
(2) Why did Jin all of a sudden stop to listen to her when she was speaking English, and vaguely look like he understood what she was saying?
(3) Why would Jin say it was "too late" after the final flashback to him making up with his father to get a fresh start? There was sort of a disconnect there. I don't see how he could find peace with his father but not his wife.

Originally posted by herdfan
What?????

He burned the raft. Was just surprised it was Walt. Frankly though, that kid is getting spooky ;)

He burned the raft. Was just surprised it was Walt. Frankly though, that kid is getting spooky

Even more so, did he really burn it by holding a torch to it? Or only by wanting it?

- Tom

Originally posted by trbarry
Even more so, did he really burn it by holding a torch to it? Or only by wanting it?

- Tom

That's what I was wondering as well

Originally posted by nhlfan79
I have two (actually, three) questions about last night's episode:
((3) Why would Jin say it was "too late" after the final flashback to him making up with his father to get a fresh start? There was sort of a disconnect there. I don't see how he could find peace with his father but not his wife.

To highlight his pride and make him seem more like a jerk.

Originally posted by DrCrawn
Seriously ppls! Some of us that live on the West Coast havent seen it yet! PLEASE use the spoiler feature for pete's sake. My lord....

My suggestion is you pack up and move east if it bugs you so bad.

Originally posted by drsimnal
The ending was terrific. I was thinking as Hurley wandered around listening to his CD player how many posts would complain that he's still got batteries . I laughed out loud when it died and his response. A classic!!!!!!!!

And how about that shot after his batteries died? The profile of Hurley with Claire in the background also in profile...he looks at her, looks down at his own belly...good stuff! He better live to see next season.

EDIT: fhall1, looks like you beat me to the punch on this one.

Originally posted by DrCrawn
I guess since I'm not a Lost thread regular I had no idea that this was an understanding. And I dont read here every single day, so yes my bad not yours...thanks for setting me straight.

A simple word a the top of message "Spoiler" isnt that much to ask IMO and makes it very easy to distinguish.

I'm glad you all had a nice chance to flame me over my ignorance.

Don't take it personal - we just rehashed the spoiler rules so everyone had their ire raised.

If you Tivo or are a West Coast (or anything but EST) viewer, don't even enter the thread until you've seen the most recent episode. We can't add the word "spoiler" because there's no way to know at what point everyone has seen the episode.

Originally posted by wco81
And what this factory owner was going to intimidate and then kill the govt. official?

Pretty implausible.

Bribery and intimidation are standard business practices in many parts of the world...civilized and otherwise.

Originally posted by sdf777
To highlight his pride and make him seem more like a jerk.

He seemed to have come to terms with the rift in his marriage being mostly his fault and wanted to fix things. But maybe you're right...the "betrayal" of her secretly learning English made him feel lke the break was already complete.

so let the speculation begin on what we saw in the preview for next week...

don't have any inside info, so only speculation, but either the french lady, or maybe even Locke is holding the shotgun to Hurley ?


from last night's episode, did Locke see Walt light the boat on fire, or did he just have a feeling about it ? Both are a couple of spooky guys.

I don't think the survivors have any long guns do they?

The only long guns I remember are the ones the French woman had. The Marshall only had 9mm's and they are all accounted for.

But remember at least one of them didn't work.

Judging from the promos with the rifle, it's pretty safe to assume that we meet Rousseau again next week. Although, didn't Sayid have a rifle with him when he escaped from Rousseaus' lair? I don't recall if he had it with him at the end of the episode where he was hearing voices. It could be that he stashed it somewhere becaus he didn't want the others to know he had it.

Originally posted by htevolution
Bribery and intimidation are standard business practices in many parts of the world...civilized and otherwise.

Bribery yes but sending henchmen to a govt. official's home to beat him up or kill him?

Korea may not be a G8 country but it's not some barbaric banana republic.

Originally posted by wco81
Bribery yes but sending henchmen to a govt. official's home to beat him up or kill him?

Korea may not be a G8 country but it's not some barbaric banana republic.

I guess you've never seen the Sopranos?

Originally posted by htevolution
He seemed to have come to terms with the rift in his marriage being mostly his fault and wanted to fix things. But maybe you're right...the "betrayal" of her secretly learning English made him feel lke the break was already complete.

I have a hard time believing that Sun did not learn some English much earlier in her life. She appears to be from a wealthy family. It is difficult to believe that she didn't have the best education available and that education would include some English. Given Jin's background (fishing), it does seem plausible that he didn't learn any English. Although, he did say 'boat' at the end of last night's episode. Seems he's now ready to help Michael build a new escape vehicle.

Originally posted by auburn97
Although, didn't Sayid have a rifle with him when he escaped from Rousseaus' lair? I don't recall if he had it with him at the end of the episode where he was hearing voices. It could be that he stashed it somewhere becaus he didn't want the others to know he had it.

If I remember correctly, the rifle he had was not loaded. He pulled the trigger on Rousseau and it didn't go off.

Originally posted by dmbatch
If I remember correctly, the rifle he had was not loaded. He pulled the trigger on Rousseau and it didn't go off.

She had removed the firing pin. I seem to remember her saying something like "the others didn't notice either."

Also, I think Sayid put the rifle down once he realized it would fire, so he probably left without it.

Originally posted by nhlfan79
(1) Why did Sun, ..... switch to speak in English, especially after first pleading to save their marriage in Korean?
(2) Why did Jin all of a sudden stop to listen to her when she was speaking English, and vaguely look like he understood what she was saying?
[/B]

I asked the exact same thing when watching with my wife last night.

btw, since people said Hurley was on the tv last night at that guys house, I'm waiting for someone to ask if he speaks Korean. I'm sure he probably doesn't.

Originally posted by stephenC
I have a hard time believing that Sun did not learn some English much earlier in her life. She appears to be from a wealthy family. It is difficult to believe that she didn't have the best education available and that education would include some English. Given Jin's background (fishing), it does seem plausible that he didn't learn any English. Although, he did say 'boat' at the end of last night's episode. Seems he's now ready to help Michael build a new escape vehicle.

I wondered if Jin was secretly learning English too, as it appeared from his conversation with his father that he was planning to escape with Sun in America after the watch deal went down. That would explain why he stopped, turned, listened, and looked sullen as Sun was yelling at him in English.

Although, did anyone notice that while Jin was in the middle of the circle, and people were yelling, when the camera angle switched to his point of view, none of the language was intelligible? Like showing he couldn't understand what was being said.
I though i heard that, but i could have just not heard it with the volume low so as not to wake a sleeping baby.

Originally posted by nhlfan79
(2) Why did Jin all of a sudden stop to listen to her when she was speaking English, and vaguely look like he understood what she was saying?

Even more important: At the end of the beach "confrontation" was Jin suddenly hearing everybody in Korean or was he hearing "jiberish" or perhaps even "The Other's" whispering? ... Hummmmm

Originally posted by Crazy MB
Although, did anyone notice that while Jin was in the middle of the circle, and people were yelling, when the camera angle switched to his point of view, none of the language was intelligible?

Ack! ... Nearly simultaneous posts :D

I missed 'Hurley' being shown on Korean TV while Jin visited the government official but one flaw if this is true - The plane is coming from Sydney, not Korea. What's was Hurley doing in Korea ? :D

Originally posted by PDPnNJ
I missed 'Hurley' being shown on Korean TV while Jin visited the government official but one flaw if this is true - The plane is coming from Sydney, not Korea. What's was Hurley doing in Korea ? :D


Maybe he made international news. Crimes in Korea, fled to Austrailia, extradited to US?

The girl was watching a Korean movie titled "Dude, What am I Doing in Jin's Flashback?" :)

When's someone going to translate what Jin was saying in between punches to the face?

Originally posted by CPanther95
When's someone going to translate what Jin was saying in between punches to the face?


What....you didn't like my rough translation? :)


Here's another question...when Jin first visited the environmental official, the official looked like he thought he was going to be killed right then and there, and was grateful when he got the message the Sun's dad was "disappointed"...wasn't he smart enought to figure out he should have let the plant reopen and that this was a warning? He thought giving the messenger a dog would take care of leaving the plant closed?

Originally posted by xris2o0o
I was watchin and was like i just dont see this show as one that should end with music... but hten wow i got a good laugh out of it.. that was an ending.. Just what I thought too. "Oh please please don't pad out the end of this episode with music like every Cold Case episode." These writers are too good to do that to us.

Originally posted by Crazy MB
Maybe he made international news. Crimes in Korea, fled to Austrailia, extradited to US? Ding, ding, ding! I completely missed the Hurley on TV scene as I hopped up to run out to the kitchen quickly. But just from the tidbits people have mentioned here it seems we now probably know a little something about "Hurley the Hacker" anyway...

I thought it was a great ep. The ending was classic all right. For me it wasn't so much just the batteries, but more like a double change up at the same time. Just as I'm thinking, "oh man, here we go again with another peaches and cream montage ending", it just screeched to a halt and the comment was perfect. Then I thought about all the battery complaints. Two birds with one stone. Really nice piece of work there.

I wasn't really surprised when Locke asked Walt why he burned the raft. I had a feeling earlier that Walt may have been involved in it when he all the sudden ran toward the fire to throw sand on it, diverting Michaels' attention off of Jin for the moment. Like he felt responsible for an innocent man being fingered for it and wanted to do something to stop the crowd.

The next ep looks to be good.

ron

When you hear everyone arguing during the end of the "confrontation" between Michael and Jin, it sounds like they reversed the audio track, making all the voices of everyone yelling go backwards, which I guess was just to give you an idea of what english sounds like to Jin, the same as what it sounds like for us to hear them speak Korean. Nice little touch!

Originally posted by PDPnNJ
I missed 'Hurley' being shown on Korean TV while Jin visited the government official but one flaw if this is true - The plane is coming from Sydney, not Korea. What's was Hurley doing in Korea ? :D

It was sub-titled in Korean so the footage could have come from anywhere in the world, it looked like an industrial area in the background....sort of like a TV studio lot...:p

Originally posted by Crazy MB
I wondered if Jin was secretly learning English too, as it appeared from his conversation with his father that he was planning to escape with Sun in America after the watch deal went down. That would explain why he stopped, turned, listened, and looked sullen as Sun was yelling at him in English.



The implication IMO, is very clear, he must understand English, if not, then the writers really screwed up. I think they didn't know each of them were learning English.

The traps they encounter in the previews look similar to the ones the French woman set up in the earlier episode.

Things are really going to get exciting now that they are going to start exploring. I am still amazed that they wouldn't have sent a team out to walk the perimeter of the island by now, but I suppose a potential run-in with a polar bear might put a damper on such a trip.

I know Boone doesn't seem to be really excited to get off the island, but the only ones I would think that truly want to be on the island are Locke and Walt. Boone likely just wants to kick it with Locke.

If it is true that Hurley was sentenced to 15 years, then is it possible that we had 3 fugutives on the plane? Kate most certainly was in custody and Sawyer appears as though he likely was in custody unless he was released from custody and just decided to go home before the cops found out about his little revenge mishap.

They may have switched the conversation between Sun and Jin to English just during that one point to make it more dramatic and so you could focus on the actors instead of the translation. They panned and went right back into Korean. The same effect has been done on many films where people are speaking a foreign language for a bit and then English - most notably that I can recall is in Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country, where the Klingons are speaking English and Kirk is listening to the translator while the Klingon prosecutor says "Don't wait for the translation, answer the question!"

If anyone bothers to translate the Korean for us, please tell us what suddenly made Jin so mad when she said Michael's name in a sentence. He repeated his name back to her with perfect American pronounciation (subtitle: "Michael"). It was like she accidentally said his name in a way that would imply in Korean that he was more than an American stranger to her.

I still think it's funny that Jin supposedly speaks no English yet Daniel Dae Kim speaks Korean with an American accent.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
They may have switched the conversation between Sun and Jin to English just during that one point to make it more dramatic and so you could focus on the actors instead of the translation. They panned and went right back into Korean. The same effect has been done on many films where people are speaking a foreign language for a bit and then English - most notably that I can recall is in Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country, where the Klingons are speaking English and Kirk is listening to the translator while the Klingon prosecutor says "Don't wait for the translation, answer the question!"

Possible, but I don't buy it, they could have just sub-titled it like they have been doing all along. If they did do it as you say, IMO, it was somewhat of an insult to the audience that the writers felt we had to hear this in English to get the full import of what was said. Plus, on a show that has made many bones about paying attention to details, is this one of those "details" we are supposed to conveniently ignore?

Granted it just TV, but in a show like this a certain continuity of details makes for a better show, while flip-floping from one language to another for the benefit of the viewer tends to lower the standard of quality, IMO, anyhow. :)

Originally posted by nuzzy
On lost-tv.com someone says the Korean translation of the words on the TV when Hurley was on is:

Hugo Reyes convicted of Money Laundering and Malicious cyber crimes. Sentenced to 15 years. Take a look for yourself.

Xesdeeni

And some stills. Anyone read Korean (especially blurred)?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Xesdeeni/D08-109-0223-LOST_01-Crop1a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Xesdeeni/D08-109-0223-LOST_01-Crop2a.jpg

Xesdeeni

it says;
?? prize winner(i can't make out the first word)
LA Ca.

Originally posted by kis
it says;
?? prize winner(i can't make out the first word)
LA Ca.
Exactly what I thought it would say...haha.

According to Lost-Forum.com it says...

Did everyone catch Hurley on the TV in the background of tonight's episode? Here is a screen capture if you missed it. According to biggercup at Lost-Forum.com, the caption reads...


"Lucky Winner, Los Angeles, CA"

Probably "some dollar amount" prize winner.

The footage of Hurley is definitely in the US. The cars and trucks in the background give that away.

Plus, I love the name of this episode - Lost .....in translation

Did you notice that Walt said Hurley owed him $87,000 from losing in Backgammon? Maybe Hurley actually has the $87K to pay him if he's a lottery winner.

Originally posted by catdaddy
Did you notice that Walt said Hurley owed him $87,000 from losing in Backgammon? Maybe Hurley actually has the $87K to pay him if he's a lottery winner.
Yep. I believe that scene was subtle foreshadowing.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
When you hear everyone arguing during the end of the "confrontation" between Michael and Jin, it sounds like they reversed the audio track, making all the voices of everyone yelling go backwards, which I guess was just to give you an idea of what english sounds like to Jin, the same as what it sounds like for us to hear them speak Korean. Nice little touch!

This is probably why the Korean side of the conversation wasn't subtitled...to highlight the misunderstanding that caused the conflict in the first place.

Though I thought the gibberish was actually Korean...have to go back and check it out. That's what DVR's are for, right?

Someone on the lost-tv.com site posted this about what Jin was saying when Michael was hitting him:

Also, for those interested, when Michael thought Jin was insulting him just before he beat him up, Jin was actually saying to Sun, "Even you don't believe in me?" and repeating, "I didn't burn the raft. I hurt myself trying to put out the fire. I didn't do it!" over and over.


Steve

Originally posted by catdaddy
Did you notice that Walt said Hurley owed him $87,000 from losing in Backgammon? Maybe Hurley actually has the $87K to pay him if he's a lottery winner.

It was only $83K - that should be no problem. ;)

If that's true, then Sun let him get hit a couple of times rather than translating for him.

That bitch!

Originally posted by wco81
If that's true, then Sun let him get hit a couple of times rather than translating for him.

That bitch!

Betty !

If that's true, then Sun let him get hit a couple of times rather than translating for him.

That bitch!
Sun didn't speak up at first because she was probably afraid of what would happen if Jin found out that she could speak English...which is exactly what happened when Jin found out that she could...

—Dan

Originally posted by fhall1
He thought giving the messenger a dog would take care of leaving the plant closed?

Be careful about assumptions about timing in the flashbacks. The official gave Jin a puppy. When Jin came in to wash the blood off his hands, the dog was fully grown.

I think....hurley is losing weight by the episode.
Makes sense, since he is on a hot island eating coconuts and lizards.

Originally posted by wco81
If that's true, then Sun let him get hit a couple of times rather than translating for him.She was either trying to decide if she believed him, or hoping Michael would stop beating his face in without having to let on she could speak English - or both.

Interesting article on O'Quinn (Locke) on MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7025708/

Originally posted by NorthJersey


from last night's episode, did Locke see Walt light the boat on fire, or did he just have a feeling about it ? Both are a couple of spooky guys.

I was wondering also. How did Locke know?

Originally posted by SD4934
I was wondering also. How did Locke know?

Since Locke has been on the island is senses have peaked. I assumed that he was able to sense that the boy is the one who set the raft on fire. No ones knows if he was hiding in the woods and saw the boy do it. Also, if everyone on the beach saw Jin run from the raft as it was going up in flames, according to Sawyer, how come no one saw the boy set the raft on fire?

Originally posted by maxman
I've been curious about this post since Dynot originally posted it, and since I have nothing better to do:

I may be off by a couple, but I count 737 posts in month #4 (Dec. 22nd through Jan. 21st). This includes the holiday period, when LOST didn't air for at least 2 weeks, so:

Month 1: 1,132
Month 2: 828
Month 3: 620
Month 4: 737

Month 5: 672

Originally posted by mstahlkr
Interesting article on O'Quinn (Locke) on MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7025708/

Here's the same article on 1 page with no advertisements...

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20050224/D88F68K80.html

I love that he didn't know Locke was a paraplegic until he got the script for that episode...

Originally posted by auburn97
Although, didn't Sayid have a rifle with him when he escaped from Rousseaus' lair? I don't recall if he had it with him at the end of the episode where he was hearing voices.
IIRC, when he and Rousseau were facing each other down with rifles, that he pulled the trigger, but it didn't work. At that point he threw it on the ground. At least thats how I remember it.

What was Locke cutting up to eat when Shannon came up and talked to him? I think it might have been a frog, but I'm not sure.

I thought it looked like a rat or rodent, with a tail and furry legs.

Rat is what I was thinking also, That's why she was so freaked out.

I thought it was a frog myself.

I thought I saw fur and a long tail.

Originally posted by wiggo
Be careful about assumptions about timing in the flashbacks. The official gave Jin a puppy. When Jin came in to wash the blood off his hands, the dog was fully grown.

It didn't look like a puppy to me when he got him. My memory might be off, but it seemed to be the same size.

tim

Originally posted by timdgibson
It didn't look like a puppy to me when he got him. My memory might be off, but it seemed to be the same size.

tim

It was definitely a puppy when it was given to him and a much bigger dog in the bloody hands scene.

HOLY COW! What's with the handheld camera that keeps bobbing and weaving? I am nearly nauseus from this "special effect" technique. It started to affect me during the flashback of the oriental couple in their bathroom at their house, when he was cleaning off his bloody hands.

Just hold the cameras still and stop making me seasick! LOL

Originally posted by mstahlkr
Interesting article on O'Quinn (Locke) on MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7025708/

To me he's always been a recognizeable actor....I couldn't tell you his name....but I could tell you the movies he did :p

In addition to the movies/shows pointed out in the article, for me I remember him in Tombstone, The Cutting Edge, Blind Fury, Silver Bullet, Young Guns, and All the Right Moves.

I like the dude. And I like him even more in the role he's in now.

Good for him
:cool:

Originally posted by timdgibson
It didn't look like a puppy to me when he got him. My memory might be off, but it seemed to be the same size.In Sun's episode (back in October), they showed us the day he came home with the puppy. He said something like, "since I'm always working for your dad, the dog is to keep you company." Later in that episode, they showed the same exact scene that was repeated this week, where he came home with blood all over him and he told her that her father made him do it.

The dog was much larger in the later scene, and I thought then (as well as now) that this was supposed to give us the sense that some significant amount of time had passed between the two events.

I think animals are like kids when they work in movies and TV shows. You really have to have more than one to work them no more than the hours allowed under those rules, a la the Olsen twins in "Full House".

Maybe they had more than one dog and the Continuity person got them mixed up or this is another one of those "details" that we are supposed to discuss ad nausem.

Originally posted by madpoet
I was saying to my wife "He still has batteries???" when it died.

I was saying the same thing at that same time too. Jinx! Buy me a coke!:D

To me, Sun started speaking English to Jin because she still isn't really ready to tell him about why she learned English.

And no, I don't think Jin knows English. That's why they reversed the audio during th efight scene. Why would they reverse the audio if we aren't supposed to be seeing it as Jin sees it.

Why Jin tells Sun to "F" off in the end doesn't really make sense to me. Unless it's an honor thing. Jin may go off on his own now because really he has nobody on his side when he didn't really do anything wrong.




I'm not going to go back in this thread more than 5 pages, but did any of you read the article about Lost in Marquee?

It talks about how they pushed the camp into the caves because they were having trouble on the beach with the tides washing out the plane fuselage. They wanted to be able to shoot up there when the tide was high.

Originally posted by nhlfan79
I have two (actually, three) questions about last night's episode:
(1) Why did Sun, when finally telling Jin at the end that she had planned on leaving him, switch to speak in English, especially after first pleading to save their marriage in Korean?
(2) Why did Jin all of a sudden stop to listen to her when she was speaking English, and vaguely look like he understood what she was saying?

Unlike the Klingon theory, I think this is more similar to that moment in Sawyer's last episode when that guy he yelled, "Sawyer!" to turned around. That guy turned around because he was thinking, "WTF? Why did he call me Sawyer?" Jin stopped and listened probably because he was thinking, "Why the hell is she speaking to me in English?" Then maybe he was straining to understand. I don't think he literally understood it. More of as part of the context of the dialog.

Unless it's revealed otherwise, I don't think he knows that much English. You can't just pick up a new language when you're an adult. I don't think enough time had passed from when his father planted the "move to America" seed for him to learn enough English to be useful.

Whoops, about the puppy/dog thing. My wife just told me she noticed another continuity aspect of this, which is that Sun's hair was longer in the bloody hands flashback.

Another edit... I'm not sure if this has been hypothesized, but I keep thinking Vincent is a creation of Walt's mind and didn't really live from the crash.

Originally posted by El Pollo


Another edit... I'm not sure if this has been hypothesized, but I keep thinking Vincent is a creation of Walt's mind and didn't really live from the crash.

I doubt it. Jack was the first one to see Vincent. Michael and Locke have also acknowledged Vincent's existence.

Originally posted by stephenC
What was Locke cutting up to eat when Shannon came up and talked to him? I think it might have been a frog, but I'm not sure.

it looked like a brain, at first, to be, but if true that would be kind of gross

Were the Republican Guard cannibals ?

I think that Jin owes Michael two good ass-kickings.

Looked like Loche was eating a tasty frog to me.

Ok, here's a new theory. Frogs and hallucinogenic compounds. Maybe the whole island thing is a weird trip? Here is a link for some information.

http://www.spectroscopynow.com/Spy/basehtml/SpyH/1,1181,4-5-7-0-62353-ezine-0-2,00.html

Originally posted by El Pollo
Whoops, about the puppy/dog thing. My wife just told me she noticed another continuity aspect of this, which is that Sun's hair was longer in the bloody hands flashback. Okay, lets follow this through a little more...
How much time would a kingpin (Sun's dad) allow to pass from when he wanted some guy killed off to when the dude actually is killed off...

Some of you are implying that a lot of time has passed... I don't see how this can be. Plus, the dude's daughter (shown watching TV first) doesn't appear older (at the dinner table) when Jin comes back to kill the dude...

Unfortunately my wife deleted the episode after we watched it last night... (I gotta have control of the remote next time... :))

Also...

In the fight scene, where the audio seems to switch to Jin's perspective - this scene seems to imply that Jin can not understand english at all... although even someone with a small amount of english would probably completely lose all understanding if a bunch of people are yelling english at eachother...

The Scene between Sun and Jin, where Sun confesses her original plan to Jin in english - this scene seems to imply that maybe Jin does at least have some understanding of english, and was probably able to get the gist of Sun's confession...
When Jin was talking to his dad, Jin indicated he wanted things to go back to the way they were with Sun... Jin then had a plan to 'start over' with Sun in the U.S., while Sun had a similar intention that did not involve Jin...
In other words, Jin would've accepted Sun's apology for her lying about knowing English - and then confess his own original plan, which included a start over in the U.S. -- But When Sun confessed to him, he understood enough of what she said to push him beyond forgiveness, and he isn't willing to confess, to her, his plan anymore.

Anyone follow that? :D

My guess about why Jin told Sun "it's too late" is because he left to come to America to get away from her dad. Leaving her seems like the smart thing to do if you don't want Dad hunting you down and having you executed. I know, him leaving her didn't really make sense to me after his flashback with him telling his dad he wished he could start over. But then again, the island is about new beginnings.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Okay, lets follow this through a little more...
How much time would a kingpin (Sun's dad) allow to pass from when he wanted some guy killed off to when the dude actually is killed off...

Some of you are implying that a lot of time has passed... I don't see how this can be. Plus, the dude's daughter (shown watching TV first) doesn't appear older (at the dinner table) when Jin comes back to kill the dude...


Well, let's consider this:
Sun was apparently happy at the time Jin first got the phone call from her dad at the dinner table, the same night he got the puppy. At some point shortly after this, Sun became unhappy in her marriage and decided to learn English. As so many others have stated, this would take some time, let's say a year even for a quick learner. We don't know how much time elapsed betwen Jin's visits to the official's house, but I have a feeling that gap will be filled in during a later flashback.

I think the last episode was one of the best yet. I love this show.

And back-to-back with Alias, makes for my favorite 2 hours of television all week! Both with quality HDTV and DD5.1 sound! What could be better!

Originally posted by jambroni
HOLY COW! What's with the handheld camera that keeps bobbing and weaving? I am nearly nauseus from this "special effect" technique. It started to affect me during the flashback of the oriental couple in their bathroom at their house, when he was cleaning off his bloody hands. They're breaking their original rules for how they were going to make the flashbacks look different from real time scenes. Originally they planned to keep the fancy disorienting camerawork on the island and shoot all the flashbacks steady and with normal lenses. After all, emotional memories may be blurry but they don't have jerky motion do they? I guess they forgot this plan a few episodes ago.

I lived in Korea for 3 years (Don't know the language, though). But here are a few things.

Many (not all) government officials there are corrupt. In the three years I was there, I bet a dozen politicians committed suicide because they were discovered taking bribes, or looking the other way when they should've been minding the store.

Organized crime is ever present in Korea and its members are far more powerful / influential than anything we have in the United States.

Korean TV shows all sorts of stuff, from everywhere. What's news to Koreans may not be news to us and vice-versa. Perhaps whatever the TV was showing about Hurley might not have even been news in the U.S. (But I think the Korea-Australia-U.S. link someone mentioned earlier makes a lot of sense. When I was in Korea my network's firewall would bounce more attacks in an hour than my firewall has taken in 1 year, now that I'm back in the U.S. - Korea is a Hacker Haven!)

I don't want to bash Korea, though. It's an interesting place full of good folks, but I'm glad to be home in the U.S.

On why Sun was yelling at Jin in English -- I like the theory that she said things that she needed to tell him, but she knew Jin could not bare to hear her say them. She said them in English so she could decide for herself whether or not they were true. For the first time she said something that Jin could not respond to.

It also reminded him that she can speak with everyone and he can't. Without her, he is the most isolated member on the island.

Anyone ever notice that there is another John Locke. The famous 17th century philospher. From his Essay:

"it came into my thoughts that we took a wrong course, and that before we set ourselves upon inquiries of that nature, it was necessary to examine our own abilities, and see what objects our understandings were, or were not, fitted to deal with."

any connection?

Originally posted by scowl

It also reminded him that she can speak with everyone and he can't. Without her, he is the most isolated member on the island. Good observation -- I really hadn't thought about that. Seems she has the upper hand in this new world, and I'm bettin' Jin's pride ain't so crazy about that -- assuming that he doesn't speak English himself (big assumption).

Originally posted by stonecrd
Anyone ever notice that there is another John Locke. The famous 17th century philospher. From his Essay:

"it came into my thoughts that we took a wrong course, and that before we set ourselves upon inquiries of that nature, it was necessary to examine our own abilities, and see what objects our understandings were, or were not, fitted to deal with."

any connection? Wow! Good catch. I wonder if that's where they got his characters name from - maybe not a real connection, just something the writers put in for someone like our astute freind stonecrd to connect... It does seem like Locke subscribes to Locke's philosphy (and/or vice-versa). I may need to go research the old Locke some now... Maybe you've stumbled on to something.

Originally posted by jambroni
HOLY COW! What's with the handheld camera that keeps bobbing and weaving? I am nearly nauseus from this "special effect" technique. It started to affect me during the flashback of the oriental couple in their bathroom at their house, when he was cleaning off his bloody hands.

Just hold the cameras still and stop making me seasick! LOL

I never noticed that. I guess it doesn't bother me since I didn't notice and I'm watching it in HD on a 57" set.

Originally posted by jambroni
HOLY COW! What's with the handheld camera that keeps bobbing and weaving? I am nearly nauseus from this "special effect" technique. It started to affect me during the flashback of the oriental couple in their bathroom at their house, when he was cleaning off his bloody hands.

Just hold the cameras still and stop making me seasick! LOL

I posted about this here weeks ago. I haven't noticed it as much lately, but it does drive me nuts too!

What was Locke cutting up to eat when Shannon came up and talked to him? I think it might have been a frog, but I'm not sure. It flashed by pretty quickly, but at the end of that scene I believe it looked like Locke had several more RATS hanging up together on the end of a string beside him waiting for prep.

Now that I have seen the pictures of Hurley getting into the car he doesn't really look like he's unhappy or dodging the photogs to me (almost more like he's waving to them maybe), so now I give more creed to the lotto winner theory. That also ties in much better to the comment he made to Walt about "being good" for his backgammon debt too.

ron

Originally posted by stonecrd
Anyone ever notice that there is another John Locke. The famous 17th century philospher. From his Essay:

"it came into my thoughts that we took a wrong course, and that before we set ourselves upon inquiries of that nature, it was necessary to examine our own abilities, and see what objects our understandings were, or were not, fitted to deal with."

any connection?

Yes, this was brought up very early on in this thread. Only a few thousand posts ago, I'm surprised you missed it. ;)

Originally posted by stonecrd
Anyone ever notice that there is another John Locke. The famous 17th century philospher. From his Essay:

"it came into my thoughts that we took a wrong course, and that before we set ourselves upon inquiries of that nature, it was necessary to examine our own abilities, and see what objects our understandings were, or were not, fitted to deal with."

any connection?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4508082#post4508082

I realize someone else may have mentioned this somewhere in the previous 209 pages of this thread, but.....

I notice that the women always have perfectly shaved arm pits. I guess the razors they were able to retrieve haven't gone dull yet?

Also, the women seem to be doing a surprisingly good job of keeping their clothes immaculately clean.

Originally posted by robnalex
I notice that the women always have perfectly shaved arm pits.
You must not have seen the new Survivor.:eek:

Originally posted by PDPnNJ
I doubt it. Jack was the first one to see Vincent. Michael and Locke have also acknowledged Vincent's existence. I think they've shown in the past, though, that Walt's "conjured" things are very real to other people: the polar bears, the bird flying into the window, the heavy rains, etc. If Vincent was created by Walt, the others would still see him. Might explain why Vincent didn't act like a normal dog early in the series. :confused:

The scene where Jin walks away from Sun on the beach was a gorgeous wide-angle shot. The different blues of the sky and ocean were spectacular! I love their new location. It really shows off the island's natural beauty.

The fishing scene with Jin and his father was filmed at a fish pond at the Kualoa Macadamia Nut Farm (they give tours, which I highly recommend to anyone visiting Oahu. IMHO, for $10, it beats the pants off of the Polynesian Cultural Center). Here's what the dock really looks like:

Jin's dad fished here (http://lost-on-location.incohost.com/macnutfarm.htm)

Incidentally, this location has been used in a lot of movies and TV shows, including Tears of the Sun, ER (the Africa episodes), Gilligan's Island, the new Fantasy Island, and 50 First Dates.

Sun's father's office was filmed in the main branch of First Hawaiian Bank in downtown Honolulu. The nightime driving scene was shot on Kapiolani Blvd... the colored neon lights in the background belong to a well-known strip club called Club Femme Nu.

Originally posted by NorthJersey
it looked like a brain, at first, to be, but if true that would be kind of gross

Were the Republican Guard cannibals ? No. And Locke was never in the Republican Guard. ;)

Originally posted by scowl
On why Sun was yelling at Jin in English -- I like the theory that she said things that she needed to tell him, but she knew Jin could not bare to hear her say them. She said them in English so she could decide for herself whether or not they were true. For the first time she said something that Jin could not respond to.

It also reminded him that she can speak with everyone and he can't. Without her, he is the most isolated member on the island.

The last few scenes where Sun drops the towel symbolizes her new beginnings. She doesn't have to cover up anymore.
Jin has a new beginning as well helping Michael with the raft. I think that episode revealed the island giving them a new start. She told Jin on the last conversations about going back to the beginning of their relationship.
Very interesting and clever writing on this show.

Originally posted by robnalex
I notice that the women always have perfectly shaved arm pits. I guess the razors they were able to retrieve haven't gone dull yet?

Also, the women seem to be doing a surprisingly good job of keeping their clothes immaculately clean.

Youa re correct, but I am very happpy they let this bit of realism slide.

Originally posted by Hounsfield
The scene where Jin walks away from Sun on the beach was a gorgeous wide-angle shot. The different blues of the sky and ocean were spectacular! I love their new location. It really shows off the island's natural beauty.

The fishing scene with Jin and his father was filmed at a fish pond at the Kualoa Macadamia Nut Farm (they give tours, which I highly recommend to anyone visiting Oahu. IMHO, for $10, it beats the pants off of the Polynesian Cultural Center). Here's what the dock really looks like:

Jin's dad fished here (http://lost-on-location.incohost.com/macnutfarm.htm)

Incidentally, this location has been used in a lot of movies and TV shows, including Tears of the Sun, ER (the Africa episodes), Gilligan's Island, the new Fantasy Island, and 50 First Dates.

Sun's father's office was filmed in the main branch of First Hawaiian Bank in downtown Honolulu. The nightime driving scene was shot on Kapiolani Blvd... the colored neon lights in the background belong to a well-known strip club called Club Femme Nu.

cool stuff. Is the wreckage just sitting there now where anyone can walk up to it? I wonder if they are done with it.

Originally posted by Hounsfield
I think they've shown in the past, though, that Walt's "conjured" things are very real to other people: the polar bears, the bird flying into the window, the heavy rains, etc. If Vincent was created by Walt, the others would still see him. Might explain why Vincent didn't act like a normal dog early in the series. :confused: There's been nothing definite that shows he conjured up any animals. He may be able to manipulate things, but that's a long way away from him actually conjuring visions others can see.

It's not just Walt. It looks like most of the back stories have elements of making wishes come true, though often with unintended and undesired consequences.

- Tom

Originally posted by Hounsfield
I think they've shown in the past, though, that Walt's "conjured" things are very real to other people: the polar bears, the bird flying into the window, the heavy rains, etc. If Vincent was created by Walt, the others would still see him. Might explain why Vincent didn't act like a normal dog early in the series. :confused:

What makes you think that Walt conjured up the dog. He was, ahem, "given" the dog, which he brought back to the US.

Are you suggesting that Walt conjured up the second polar bear which nearly killed him? I don't think so. Besides, the French woman mentioned the bears and if they just showed up when Walt did, I don't think she would have noticed them that soon.

Unless he conjured up the French woman also :D

Originally posted by CPanther95
Unless he conjured up the French woman also :D

Wish I could do that, sure wouldn't be that French woman though...:p

Sophie Marceau? ;)

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
What makes you think that Walt conjured up the dog. He was, ahem, "given" the dog, which he brought back to the US.Actually, this wasn't my theory; El Pollo suggested this a few pages back. The thought was that perhaps Vincent did not survive the crash, but Walt "willed" him back into existence. No one really knows what Walt is or isn't capable of, and what control he might have over his abilities. Maybe he subconsciously created the polar bears, but without knowing that he did so, was still terrified by them?

Originally posted by videoholic
cool stuff. Is the wreckage just sitting there now where anyone can walk up to it? I wonder if they are done with it. They're no longer using that location, so I think they've probably removed most or all of the wreckage. I haven't been up there for awhile.

If you're interested, here's my original post regarding the beach photos:

LOST ON LOCATION (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4487583#post4487583)

Originally posted by CPanther95
Sophie Marceau? ;)

Acceptable..:p

Originally posted by Hounsfield
They're no longer using that location, so I think they've probably removed most or all of the wreckage. I haven't been up there for awhile.

If you're interested, here's my original post regarding the beach photos:

LOST ON LOCATION (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4487583#post4487583)

Cool. Kind of hard to believe I could have possibly missed a post in this thread.

:)

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Okay, lets follow this through a little more...
How much time would a kingpin (Sun's dad) allow to pass from when he wanted some guy killed off to when the dude actually is killed off...

Some of you are implying that a lot of time has passed... I don't see how this can be. Plus, the dude's daughter (shown watching TV first) doesn't appear older (at the dinner table) when Jin comes back to kill the dude...

Unfortunately my wife deleted the episode after we watched it last night... (I gotta have control of the remote next time... :))

Actually he first ordered Jin to deliver a message...that's when he brought home the dog. He then ordered Jin to drive the killer to the man's house. Some time had passed, how much we don't know but the dog did grow from a young pup to nearly full grown. 1 year? less?

Originally posted by CPanther95
Sophie Marceau? ;)
I like Virginie Ledoyen better. :D

She's a tad young for the Danielle role but she's just right for me.

Originally posted by Hounsfield
Actually, this wasn't my theory; El Pollo suggested this a few pages back. The thought was that perhaps Vincent did not survive the crash, but Walt "willed" him back into existence. No one really knows what Walt is or isn't capable of, and what control he might have over his abilities. Maybe he subconsciously created the polar bears, but without knowing that he did so, was still terrified by them?

Yep, throw me under the bus.:D

Maybe Walt didn't specifically conjure up the polar bear, or has total control of his powers. Maybe he thought, "I want to be in some kind of situation where my buddy Locke can save me!" or "I want my dad to pay more attention to me." And then the polar bear happened. Sort of like an evil Genie granting wishes. I don't know. I'll just mark last week as the "I told you so" moment when I'm revealed to be right about Vincent next season!:p

Originally posted by robnalex
I notice that the women always have perfectly shaved arm pits. I guess the razors they were able to retrieve haven't gone dull yet?


I think Walt is using his supernatural powers to make sure of this, so that he doesn't get grossed out :-)

Originally posted by Hounsfield
The scene where Jin walks away from Sun on the beach was a gorgeous wide-angle shot. The closeups of her at the end of the episode look like they were shot with their huge 425mm f2.8 zoom lens which they call "The Hubble".

El Pollo, what science or "pseudo-science" can explain Walt conjuring up these things with his imagination?

Any screen caps from Sun in the bikini on the beach?

You know, just to {ahem} admire the scenery? :D

Originally posted by timmernator
Any screen caps from Sun in the bikini on the beach?

You know, just to {ahem} admire the scenery? :D

Seconded! Motion is passed :-)

Originally posted by El Pollo
Yep, throw me under the bus.:D

Maybe Walt didn't specifically conjure up the polar bear, or has total control of his powers. Maybe he thought, "I want to be in some kind of situation where my buddy Locke can save me!" or "I want my dad to pay more attention to me." And then the polar bear happened. Sort of like an evil Genie granting wishes. I don't know. I'll just mark last week as the "I told you so" moment when I'm revealed to be right about Vincent next season!:p Dude, I'm with you on this!! I just didn't want to take undue credit for your intellectual property! :D

And I like your idea that the polar bears created a situation where Walt was at the center of attention, as he has often been sidelined by Michael and most of the other survivors. I also think it's highly probable that he himself doesn't know that he's doing these things -- that his subconscious is exerting itself without his awareness. :cool:

Originally posted by NorthJersey
I think Walt is using his supernatural powers to make sure of this, so that he doesn't get grossed out :-) LOL! I wonder if he does Brazilian waxing, too? ;)

Originally posted by neoufo51
I like Virginie Ledoyen better. :DIf she played Danielle, I would have burned the raft myself! :p

There's a segment about "Lost" coming up in the second hour of Good Morning America this morning.

Tomorrow (Wednesday) on Good Morning America: 'the men' of "Lost".

Did you see the Good morning america clip? it had some never before seen clips of hurleys flash back..

now he was either a janitor or he was in prison.. looks interesting

Chris

Originally posted by xris2o0o
Did you see the Good morning america clip? it had some never before seen clips of hurleys flash back..

now he was either a janitor or he was in prison.. looks interesting

Chris

maybe he was a janitor in prison...

Maybe it was posted before but on the TV they are watching in the flashback you can see Hurley getting into a car and many cameras on him maybe even being arrested?

Originally posted by Savageone79
Maybe it was posted before but on the TV they are watching in the flashback you can see Hurley getting into a car and many cameras on him maybe even being arrested?

I saw a screencap and his arms were free and he was smiling.

New cast-member addition alert!

Meet Grace Park... a.k.a. Boomer on Battlestar Galactica.

I have to say... I'm a BIG fan!:D

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/gm_l1.jpg

"So say we all..."

OK, so I lied... ;) But you have to admit... she would be a welcome addition to Lost.

Grace Park....ahhhh.

ahem. Did anyone notice that when Jin walked into the Minister's house the first time, Farley was on the TV show the little girl was watching? First hint of Farley's backstory?

His name is Hurley. :p

And his appearance on that tv has been discussed ad nauseum.

Farley... lol!

That picture of Grace Park is just... uh.. just... too good for words...

Originally posted by jschlege
ahem. Did anyone notice that when Jin walked into the Minister's house the first time, Farley was on the TV show the little girl was watching? First hint of Farley's backstory?

ahem. You're either kidding or your're very new to this thread, aren't you? This has been discussed extensively in just the last few pages. Two theories have been proposed: 1) He won the lottery...and 2) He's been accused of cyber-crime.

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
And some stills. Anyone read Korean (especially blurred)?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Xesdeeni/D08-109-0223-LOST_01-Crop1a.jpg


I have a Korean friend at work, and had him translate it:

It says something like: �gLottery (or raffle) winner! Los Angeles, California�h

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Farley... lol!

That picture of Grace Park is just... uh.. just... too good for words...

Too bad she's an android. ;)

Originally posted by dmbatch
Too bad she's an android. ;)

Rubber is non-conductive ;)

Mmmmmm....Grace Park...oh baby. Look at that butt. Yum.

How dare you derail us from Lost...but you are forgiven for that hot picture.

Couldn't resist posting one more of Grace Park:


http://www.maximonline.com/girls/grace_park/gm_l6.jpg

When I first saw this pic I said to myself.... "Holy Sh!+" While I know you guy's are enjoying Lost... (me too) I hope you're making time to catch my favorite Cylon babe on BSG!

"So say we all..."

Originally posted by dmbatch
Too bad she's an android. ;)

That makes her even better, low maintenance, just start her up when you want her and put her back in the closet when done, the ultimate in low cost GF/wife. :D :p

I just started watching my Tivo'd pilot episode of Angel (Oct 1999). And lo and behold, the third vampire killed by Angel is non other than Josh Holloway, "Sawyer", in his first TV appearance credited as the "Good Looking Guy".

:)

Originally posted by keenan
That makes her even better, low maintenance, just start her up when you want her and put her back in the closet when done, the ultimate in low cost GF/wife. :D :p

LOL trust me the Cylons in Battlestar Galactica are anything BUT low maintenance. When they aren't ****ing your brains out they are destroying your civilization. I'm sure it's just a programming glitch :-) Better work on that :-)

Edit:

But hey, forgot to give props to our resident Korean hottie of Lost. Really enjoyed Sun's bikini scene :-)

Originally posted by MrMike6by9
I just started watching my Tivo'd pilot episode of Angel (Oct 1999). And lo and behold, the third vampire killed by Angel is non other than Josh Holloway, "Sawyer", in his first TV appearance credited as the "Good Looking Guy".

:)

wow, good catch!

Okay, Iteki, someone should smack you for that...but it ain't gonna be me. Heh.

LOL trust me the Cylons in Battlestar Galactica are anything BUT low maintenance. When they aren't ****ing your brains out they are destroying your civilization.
And this is different from human women how?

[Ducking the incoming firestorm...] :)

Originally posted by danco
And this is different from human women how?

[Ducking the incoming firestorm...] :)

Good one :-)

Originally posted by MrMike6by9
I just started watching my Tivo'd pilot episode of Angel (Oct 1999).


You held onto a pilot and didn't watch it for 5 years?

Originally posted by mx6bfast
You held onto a pilot and didn't watch it for 5 years?

I was thinking the same thing.

Perhaps he has one of the 4 drive modified TiVo units with LBA. Time to start watching the 1999 shows or they will be deleted. ;)

That outfit Grace Park is wearing would make a below par plain jane 4 (out of 10) look hot to me. Ridiculous!

I read a preview yesterday of the Sept 6 release of Lost Season 1 on dvd. An additional extra feature not mentioned here before sounds cool. Namely, casting tapes of some of the cast (plz include Evangeline Lilly).:)

Originally posted by mx6bfast
You held onto a pilot and didn't watch it for 5 years?

Maybe he's like my wife who reads the last few pages of a book to make sure it has a happy ending before reading it. ;)

I was thinking of the upcoming episode, Numbers and had something pop into my head:


I bet that two of the lucky numbers picked are 8 and 15. I don't know what the other numbers may be, but I would be pretty shocked if 8 and 15 were not there. In fact, they might be the first 2 numbers or the last 2.

Another exciting episode of the "Cult of Locke" tonight!

Paul

I am just really wondering when they will figure out how to get that hatch open. That will certainly be an exciting episode. Think of all the questions it won't answer while prompting even more questions!

It looks like most people missed it between the shots of Grace Park's splendid rear end yesterday on page 212, so here:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Xesdeeni/D08-109-0223-LOST_01-Crop1a.jpg

I have a Korean friend at work, and had him translate it:

It says something like: �gLottery (or raffle) winner! Los Angeles, California�h

Originally posted by mx6bfast
You held onto a pilot and didn't watch it for 5 years? How about a simpler explanation? I never watched the show during its first run. Got interested part way into the last season and have been viewing the syndicated repeats on TNT. How's that?

BTW, that's the same way I evenutally saw Buffy TVS.

YMMV

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
I was thinking of the upcoming episode, Numbers and had something pop into my head:


I bet that two of the lucky numbers picked are 8 and 15. I don't know what the other numbers may be, but I would be pretty shocked if 8 and 15 were not there. In fact, they might be the first 2 numbers or the last 2.


Speaking of "numbers," on the channel guide on Comcast for tonight's episode, it says that one of the reasons Hurley is so adamant about going after Rosseau(sp?) is that he recognizes the numbers on the map - perhaps the numbers he won the lottery with.

Originally posted by cyberbri

I have a Korean friend at work, and had him translate it:

It says something like: �gLottery (or raffle) winner! Los Angeles, California�h

So then do you think he was just in Sydney for vacation or to celebrate?

Hurley didn't seem like the cyber crime kinda guy to me. he's too social.

Perhaps - but that brings in a slight plot hole. Unless a lot of time has passed and he lost his money, why would he have a portable CD player in this day and age, instead of an ipod or some other mp3 player if he is so rich? If the show was set 5-10 years ago, the CD player would seem logical, but...


But I think the lottery backstory meshes with him saying "I'm good for it" when he lost $83K or whatever to the boy playing backgammon.

Maybe because he *likes* CD and the fidelity of uncompressed formats.

If I was a l lottery winner I'd stick with CD and my Sony D-555. MP3 can take a hike. :)

IMHO

Paul