I have to agree with Paul. Having a portable CD player, does not poor Hurley make.

Yeah, and lots of the guys in the ultra-hi-end $20K+ forum are really poor because they still use records. :D

I like the numbers on the map theory. Very interesting.

And who says it is his CD player? Not too many people on the island have "their" stuff, I don't think.

Not that CDs are bad, but when all the rage is iPod this, iPod that, doesn't it seem to signify something that we've seen him with his portable CD player so many times? If he really was on vacation in Australia, why would he take a portable CD player and a case of CDs, rather than an iPod. I don't have an iPod, and prefer CDs myself, but personally I think there's a reason he has a big, clunky CD player. And maybe we'll find out when we see Hurley's backstory...

Originally posted by cyberbri
Not that CDs are bad, but when all the rage is iPod this, iPod that, doesn't it seem to signify something that we've seen him with his portable CD player so many times? If he really was on vacation in Australia, why would he take a portable CD player and a case of CDs, rather than an iPod. I don't have an iPod, and prefer CDs myself, but personally I think there's a reason he has a big, clunky CD player. And maybe we'll find out when we see Hurley's backstory...

Of all the questions we have, is that really the one you're looking for an answer to? ;)

Not really. But it seems too prominent to be "nothing." Unless it was just a recurring element that they turned into a joke when the batteries finally ran out... ;)

I can't wait to find out Hurley's story. He's a major character and we still know nothing about him, except the hints in the other eps that show him winning the lottery.

Originally posted by cyberbri
Not that CDs are bad, but when all the rage is iPod this, iPod that, doesn't it seem to signify something that we've seen him with his portable CD player so many times? If he really was on vacation in Australia, why would he take a portable CD player and a case of CDs, rather than an iPod. I don't have an iPod, and prefer CDs myself, but personally I think there's a reason he has a big, clunky CD player. And maybe we'll find out when we see Hurley's backstory...

Not sure how worthy the point is of discussion, but maybe he didn't have time to rip his CD collection and transfer it over.

or maybe he's just a modest guy and didn't spend much of his money.

I do wonder how much time has passed. We saw him on TV when Jin got the dog, and it's speculated a good amount of time (at least a year or more) had passed between his first and second visit to that house. So hurley probably won the money a good while before his visit to sydney (assuming he was visiting, maybe he moved)

But also, it seems no one was in sydney "just visiting on vacation" ... everyone had a larger agenda so far.

Was Hurley on TV twice - once during Jin's first visit, and then again when he came back and beat the guy? I only noticed him on the TV once (saw his hair/head, getting into a car - I don't remember seeing the shot of him by a car with "lottery winner" on the screen), but I don't remember which visit it was during.

Originally posted by Paul Bigelow
Maybe because he *likes* CD and the fidelity of uncompressed formats.


Paul

Really, he must have had a set Wilson speakers on that plane that got burned..:p

as far as I remember it was just the first visit. I don't think we ever saw the tv in the second visit.

i'll check again when I get home.

Originally posted by MrMike6by9
How about a simpler explanation? I never watched the show during its first run. Got interested part way into the last season and have been viewing the syndicated repeats on TNT. How's that?


I detect hostility. I wasn't trying to talk down to you. I'm just amazed that that could be done. Me personally it would burn a hole in my drive.

Originally posted by cyberbri
Perhaps - but that brings in a slight plot hole. Unless a lot of time has passed and he lost his money, why would he have a portable CD player in this day and age, instead of an ipod or some other mp3 player if he is so rich? If the show was set 5-10 years ago, the CD player would seem logical, but...

Maybe he came across someone else's CD player in the wreckage?


[edit] Sorry - just looked up and saw that someone else posted the same thing.

Reason he doesn't have an iPod is that Apple wouldn't pay what they wanted for product placement.

But they run those iPod ads on Lost anyways, I bet.

Originally posted by mx6bfast
I detect hostility. I wasn't trying to talk down to you. I'm just amazed that that could be done. Me personally it would burn a hole in my drive. If there were any hostility in my response then maybe it was inspired by this ...

"Maybe he's like my wife who reads the last few pages of a book to make sure it has a happy ending before reading it."


YMMV

Maggie Grace pics - nice, although they're all from the red carpet at different events:
http://www.actressarchives.com/maggieg/

Originally posted by cyberbri
Not really. But it seems too prominent to be "nothing." Unless it was just a recurring element that they turned into a joke when the batteries finally ran out... ;)

I can't wait to find out Hurley's story. He's a major character and we still know nothing about him, except the hints in the other eps that show him winning the lottery.

Well, all I can say is that the sound editor really got me with that audio stutter as Hurley's batteries died. For a few seconds, I paniced that my sound system and/or STB was having a digital audio problem. Kudos to the sound editor for getting the stutter right. Daggers to him at the same time.

Originally posted by jackshakes
as far as I remember it was just the first visit. I don't think we ever saw the tv in the second visit.

i'll check again when I get home.

The family was at the dinner table when Jin broke down the door. I don't recall any TV in the shot.

cherish tonight's episode about Hurley, because the next new episode won't be on for 6 weeks! Dude that sucks, for such a long wait, and tonight's episode will probably end with some cliffhanger (I don't have info on what's going to happen, just saying that because that's what happens when there are usually long breaks before first-run episodes on any tv program)

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=19532

Originally posted by NorthJersey
cherish tonight's episode about Hurley, because the next new episode won't be on for 6 weeks! Dude that sucks, for such a long wait, and tonight's episode will probably end with some cliffhanger (I don't have info on what's going to happen, just saying that because that's what happens when there are usually long breaks before first-run episodes on any tv program)

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=19532 Why watch repeats of Lost... when you can see new episodes of Battlestar Galactica instead?:confused:

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/gm_l1.jpg

"So say we all...

6 weeks sucks, seriously why so long

at the end of the ep what are they gonna say.. "in six weeks..."

Originally posted by CPanther95
Of all the questions we have, is that really the one you're looking for an answer to? ;)

Coming from a moderator especially, if that's meant as sarcasm, it's certainly not in the spirit of this thread.

Originally posted by maxman
Coming from a moderator especially, if that's meant as sarcasm, it's certainly not in the spirit of this thread.

You did notice the wink, right?

Originally posted by Paul Bigelow
Maybe because he *likes* CD and the fidelity of uncompressed formats.

If I was a l lottery winner I'd stick with CD and my Sony D-555. MP3 can take a hike. :)


Why wouldn't he just rip his CDs into a hard drive mp3 player, but in a lossless format like FLAC?:D That'd still consume less space than a CD player and a pile of CDs, yet store dozens of CDs worth of music.

Originally posted by PJO1966
You did notice the wink, right?

Not 'til you mentioned it.

Originally posted by optivity
Why watch repeats of Lost... when you can see new episodes of Battlestar Galactica instead?:confused:


Cuz they're not in HD...:(

Only half joking. With the many mysteries surrounding the island, and it's new inhabitants - the reason for Hurley to have a CD player instead of an iPod doesn't seem like it would be anywhere near the top of the list of answers we'd like to see. - JMHO

Did anyone catch the Lost parody on MadTV this past weekend? They devoted two full segments to it. Some of the burning questions covered included Jack's facial hair. They covered most of the major characters and even had a backstory for a guest star...

Originally posted by CPanther95
Only half joking. With the many mysteries surrounding the island, and it's new inhabitants - the reason for Hurley to have a CD player instead of an iPod doesn't seem like it would be anywhere near the top of the list of answers we'd like to see. - JMHO

Just imagine where this thread will be after 6 weeks of no new episodes...to say it will be in the crapper is being mild...:p

Sawyer probably has a stash of iPods. But given their poor battery life, he'd have to tap into that cable to recharge them.

Then he could give the women the pink Minis, in exchange for some sugar.

Good God! Six weeks till next new epi?!?


This will the Grace Park fan club/blog spot by then. Cripe!

Originally posted by etcarroll
Good God! Six weeks till next new epi?!?


This will the Grace Park fan club/blog spot by then. Cripe!

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0661825/

Originally posted by etcarroll
Good God! Six weeks till next new epi?!?


This will the Grace Park fan club/blog spot by then. Cripe!
When you said that, I somehow imagined Grace Park wearing nothing but two pistachio shells and a strip of bacon.

Originally posted by keenan
Just imagine where this thread will be after 6 weeks of no new episodes...to say it will be in the crapper is being mild...:p

Hey, we made it through the X-mas break, and by golly, we can make it through this one too! Courage! :D

Originally posted by neoufo51
When you said that, I somehow imagined Grace Park wearing nothing but two pistachio shells and a strip of bacon.

Why do I feel like I've heard that before?

Finally.... a Hurley back-storym ties into last weeks TV appearance.

And two of his winning numbers are:

8 & 15!

Way to go, Mr.Poindexter - you're good!

That is some BAD A$$ LUCK!!!

Hurley & Locke Rule this show. My favorite characters. Sweet house, was...

cheesy looking fire in the house

Originally posted by maxman
And two of his winning numbers are:

8 & 15!

And the French lady had his winning numbers written down over and over...

Originally posted by tobwco
Hurley & Locke Rule this show. My favorite characters. Sweet house, was...

Agreed! Those characters are so well written and so unique. Just plain FUN!

Originally posted by tobwco
Hurley & Locke Rule this show. My favorite characters. Sweet house, was...

I agree 100% - except for the 'Kate in her underwear' shots!

Hurley: "I'm spry!" - hilarious!!! He definitely gets the best lines on the show!

hmmmm, Navy, Island, Experiments, bad luck I see something unfolding here.

Black Rock! Didn't someone mention "Black Rock" a few pages back?

"She says, 'Hey.'"

Hurley is awesome!

Hmmm, so that hatch window in the ground could be from a Navy Submarine maybe? or some kind of sea diving vessel? Probably why it was impossible to break?

Locke....what a guy!

Anyone plan on playing the lotto with those numbers?

4 15 16 23 42 which number am I forgetting?

Hurley and Locke ROCK!!!!!!

I guess we have an answer of sorts.

Paul

Originally posted by ftboomer
4 15 16 23 42 which number am I forgetting?

8.

Originally posted by Unoriginal Nick
8.

Thanks. Tried to google the numbers....nothing.

Could be a phone number "481-516-2342" is a Quebec number.

Originally posted by ftboomer
Black Rock! Didn't someone mention "Black Rock" a few pages back?

Several mentions.

4 8 15 16 23 42

I really expected more tonight...Yeah, I know, the numbers are cool and they tie everything together. Get that numbers guy from the CBS show. He'd figure it out...

They total 108 - any significance there? Or when the French lady shipwrecked...in 1988?

Any guesses on why Hurley was a patient at the psychiatric hospital?

Originally posted by maxman
4 8 15 16 23 42

There are 23+42 (65) teams that start March Madness
After one weekend, there are only 16 left.
Then 8, then 4.

Overall there will be 15 losers.

See where my head is...Now if I only knew who that 1 winner is, I could be as rich as Hugo!!!:D

Originally posted by Unoriginal Nick
Any guesses on why Hurley was a patient at the psychiatric hospital?

Depression? Could be source of his girth. But, he is SPRY!

Originally posted by Unoriginal Nick
Any guesses on why Hurley was a patient at the psychiatric hospital?

I just walked back in the room at that time, and took it that Hurley knew the patient from outside the hospital, but you're right - he could have been a patient himself owing to what the doctor said about not thinking they were that close. Did I miss something, or just assume differently?

It was pretty clear that he was a patient.

Great Episode - even without finding out about the iPod :)

He did react with the "I am not crazy" to the Hobbit. Pretty defensive.

Hurley: Owns a box company
Locke: Worked for a box company

And around it goes...

Great Episode - even without finding out about the iPod :)

Yeah, damn those loose ends!

"481-516-2342" is a Quebec number. Hurley owned a tennis shoe company in Canada.

Originally posted by ftboomer
"481-516-2342" is a Quebec number. Hurley owned a tennis shoe company in Canada.

Anybody gonna call it?

Originally posted by hefe
Hurley: Owns a box company
Locke: Worked for a box company

And around it goes...

How the heck did I miss that - forgot all about Locke's company.

I thought I remembered somthing about a box company too. Great catch!

Originally posted by maxman
I thought I remembered somthing about a box company too. Great catch!

It's already on MSNBC.com. Beware west coasters. Stay away from MSNBC.com before your episode airs.

They discuss the possibility that Hurley may be Locke's "boss", and the anticipation of Locke meeting up with Rousseau.

No mention of the hatch.

Here's another. Kate took the contents of Safe deposit box 815 in an earlier episode.

Originally posted by seldenpat
It's already on MSNBC.com. Beware west coasters. Stay away from MSNBC.com before your episode airs.

They discuss the possibility that Hurley may be Locke's "boss", and the anticipation of Locke meeting up with Rousseau.

No mention of the hatch.

Either you meant to say "Hurley" meeting up with Rousseau - or we should spoilerize that.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Either you meant to say "Hurley" meeting up with Rousseau - or we should spoilerize that.

No, Locke. It wasn't a spoiler, just that they were both philosophers and nothing is a coincidence. They both seem like Masters of their Domain, I guess. A wish, not a prelude...sorry...should have been clearer.

"Sharp-eared fans will remember that Locke, in his wheelchair-bound, regular life, worked at a box company. When Hurley was talking to his accountant about his many post-lottery investments, one of them was a box company. So is Hurley technically Locke's boss? Now that's a staff meeting we'd like to see. Plus: We can't wait for Locke to meet up with Rousseau. Both share the names of Enlightenment philosophers, and in this show, that kind of thing is never a coincidence."

The MSNBC item is at: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867118/

It was pretty clear that he was a patient.

Could he have worked there? As a janitor, perhaps, before winning the lottery?

Originally posted by hefe
Here's another. Kate took the contents of Safe deposit box 815 in an earlier episode.

That was covered a few hundred posts back.

Originally posted by maxman
Could he have worked there? As a janitor, perhaps, before winning the lottery?

Possible. He could have just been overly defensive (about being called nuts) because he was mistaken as a patient frequently as an employee.

Originally posted by tobwco
That was covered a few hundred posts back.
No kidding, but it comes back around with today's episode.

Originally posted by maxman
Anybody gonna call it?

"Call cannot be completed as dialed"

Originally posted by hefe
No kidding, but it comes back around with today's episode.

the way you worded it sounded like you were revealing something new.

Originally posted by hefe
No kidding, but it comes back around with today's episode. In what way, other than your post in this forum?

Originally posted by tobwco
the way you worded it sounded like you were revealing something new.

The connection to the number is a new development with today's episode. Also, it is interesting that it was a box. What kind of boxes did the factory make?

Safety Deposit boxes ;)

Opened the box:

Safety deposit box
Jack's fathers casket
Locke worked for a box company
The lady who opened a box to show Michael his letters to Walt

Any others?

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
Did anyone notice that Harold Perrineau Jr.'s (Michael) real life wife (Brittany Perrineau: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1506774/) was in this episode. I assume she was the woman Sawyer brought home.

Xesdeeni

She was also the Lottery girl in tonight's episode!:D

Originally posted by nuzzy
Any others? The "hatch" that Locke and Boone were trying to open. It appeared to have sides (like a "box"), and it had the numbers stamped on it.

Did I miss the post or has anyone else not yet commented on what Hurley said about it being strange that no one else on the island is interested in looking for the giant monster?

Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
Did I miss the post or has anyone else not yet commented on what Hurley said about it being strange that noone else on the island is interested in looking for the giant monster?

No one has commented on it. Seriously, if you were on the island and you could lounge around on the beach or look for a skin stripping beast, what would you do?:D

Seriously, I think something has to happen to drive them to find the monster. I don't think it's plausable to have them wake up one morning and say, "Hey, let's find out what that huge beast was that killed the pilot and will probably rip one of us to shreds!" They're going to have to need something from it, but in all likelihood, they will be forced into an encounter.

You didn't miss it, I think enough happened in this episode that we didn't get there yet. Maybe we should pace ourselves over the next 6 weeks. :)

I'm REALLY reaching here, but:

Todays date is 3/2. 3+2=5
It's Episode 18.
5-1-8

:0

I wonder how many people are going to play that number in the lottery this week.

Here's a theory;
Run those numbers backwards, and that's the number of survivors left after each season of "Lost" during it's run!! ;)

They had an Amber Alert on the SF ABC affiliate as Lenny was being dragged away. What did he say?

And what happened between that and when Hurley walks across the rope bridge?

i'm not sure hurley was a patient at the hospital, I was thinking he worked there as well.

I think the reason he was so snippy with charlie about "I'm not crazy" was more because of how no one believes him that he's cursed. So even though charlie doesn't know about the curse Hurley's just defensive about that in general.

Of course it could be because he was a patient as well.

Though one thing that stuck out to me that no one has mentioned yet was how he said he put his family through a lot lately. wonder what that means. it could reference the reason he was at the hospital (depression? but that doesn't sound like hurley)

he said his old mate told him about the numbers and he went to some off the wall town in australia to get away from the curse.

hence why hurley was in australia.

I don't think Hurley worked there -- he was eating a bucket of chicken with a chicken on his shirt. Fast food employee.

Paul

Love the show, but I've been thinking for a while now that many plot-related conflicts could be resolved if the characters actually began sharing their various and sundry weird experiences. Obviously nobody wants to be the first to look like a fruitcake, but it's beginning to strain credulity that nobody is willing to talk about it.

I think it's pretty clear Hurley was a patient at the hospital. The show went out of its way to make sure the "Psychiatric Admitting" sign was visible over his shoulder as he talked to the doctor; that wasn't an accident.

Originally posted by wco81
They had an Amber Alert on the SF ABC affiliate as Lenny was being dragged away. What did he say?

And what happened between that and when Hurley walks across the rope bridge?

He gave the name of the guy who used the numbers and became "cursed" and said he lived in Austrailia.

I don't know the chonological order of the following events (you may have seen them), but Hurley sees the his numbers jotted down on notes from Rousseau, so he decides he needs to find her. He sets out, but then Charlie, Sayid, and Jack follow him. They meet up just as Hurley steps on a booby trap. In deference to Sayid's advice, Hurley jumps off the booby trap that would unleash a vast number of sharpened stakes at his body after exclaiming..."I'm Spry".

Wasn't Ethan Rom from Quebec?

Originally posted by Paul Bigelow
I don't think Hurley worked there -- he was eating a bucket of chicken with a chicken on his shirt. Fast food employee.

Paul

Clearly, chicken employee is not a lifetime job for most. I'm sure it's plausable that he could have been doing something else as short as a week earlier. Regardless, the Doctor's reaction to seeing him leads me to believe that he hadn't seen him in a while and he was familiar with him. I agree he was probably a patient.

Originally posted by wco81
Wasn't Ethan Rom from Quebec?

I think he was from the island?

Originally posted by Paul Bigelow
I don't think Hurley worked there -- he was eating a bucket of chicken with a chicken on his shirt. Fast food employee.

Paul

well he obviously didn't work there at that time ... if he was an employee it would have been sometime in the past.

I think it's very possible he could have been a patient too ... but I don't think either one was made "very clear".

overall I liked this episode a lot though after two weeks of being disapointed ... the next six will be tough.

Originally posted by wco81
Wasn't Ethan Rom from Quebec?

that's what he said anyway.

More numbers...

Game that Lenny was playing in the mental hospital...Connect 4.
Number of people that died in the sneaker factory fire in Canada...8.
Number of weeks that the lottery had gone without a winner...16.

When they showed the house in Australia Hurley went to I thought it was going to be the place of the rancher that turned Kate in.
Six more agonizing weeks! Well, better make use of the material we have so far. Sun/Bikini01 (http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php?photo=13064&size=big&sort=1&cat=500) Sun/Bikini02 (http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php?photo=13083&sort=1&size=big&cat=500)

Originally posted by hefe
More numbers...

Game that Lenny was playing in the mental hospital...Connect 4.
Number of people that died in the sneaker factory fire in Canada...8.
Number of weeks that the lottery had gone without a winner...16.

You're getting good at this!!!:D

What was that box with the numbers at the end? Was that the side of the hatch?

Anyways, all these connections could be coincidences or some supernatural stuff like in The Omen. If that's the way they go, it would be weak.

Originally posted by labmansid
When they showed the house in Australia Hurley went to I thought it was going to be the place of the rancher that turned Kate in.
Six more agonizing weeks! Well, better make use of the material we have so far. Sun/Bikini01 (http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php?photo=13064&size=big&sort=1&cat=500) Sun/Bikini02 (http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php?photo=13083&sort=1&size=big&cat=500)

I thought about that when I saw she had a fake leg.

Originally posted by jackshakes
well he obviously didn't work there at that time ... if he was an employee it would have been sometime in the past.

I think it's very possible he could have been a patient too ... but I don't think either one was made "very clear".

overall I liked this episode a lot though after two weeks of being disapointed ... the next six will be tough.

Right. And the doctor who recognized him hadn't seen him in a while.

Hurley twice said "I'm not crazy," and glared at Charlie when he called him a lunatic. There appears to be some sensitivity there.

BTW, did Hurley debrief the others about his numbers?

Or several years later, someone is going to ask him, "Why didn't you tell us about the numbers?"

Someone else is going to find the numbers on that box and shrug.

Originally posted by wco81
Wasn't Ethan Rom from Quebec? Nope. Ontario.

Originally posted by wco81
What was that box with the numbers at the end? Was that the side of the hatch?Yes, it was.Anyways, all these connections could be coincidences or some supernatural stuff like in The Omen. If that's the way they go, it would be weak.Which would be "weak?" Coincidences or supernatural stuff?

And, what, in your esteemed opinion, will qualify as "not weak?" :confused:

If they esplain widout the supernatural mumbo jumbo.

The Doc said "It's good to see you...What are you doing back here?", suggesting he was pretty familiar with Hugo/Hurley, and did not expect to see him back there as though he had been released. From his conversation earlier with his Mom it appeared he had not been living at her home for long. I have to admit, however, that Hurley seems much too "with it" to be in the same place as those other "dudes" in the institution.

Originally posted by nuzzy
Opened the box:

Safety deposit box
Jack's fathers casket
Locke worked for a box company
The lady who opened a box to show Michael his letters to Walt

Any others?

Rousseau had a music box that she asked Sayid to fix.

Pandora's box
Locke-d box

Paul

Originally posted by Paul Bigelow
Pandora's box
Locke-d box

Paul

Oh yeah...and Lenny shouted out, "you've opened the box"

Can someone do me a HUGE favour? We had major audio dropouts at a couple crucial times during the program. The one time when Lenny was telling Hurley where the numbers came from, but I was able to figure that out.

The other was when Hurley was talking to his lawyer. I heard everything up until, "...I can't believe they mistook you for..." and then it cut out for the rest of their conversation. Can someone pleeease write out was was said? Thanks

Wasn't that his accountant or an investment manager? He was talking to Hurley about his investments, and that his net worth had doubled in a short time.

"Mistook you for a drug dealer." I don't remember if there was more conversation after that. I think it faded to a commercial.

Did you hear the accountant discuss the shoe factory fire? Hurley made money although 8 people died, because the plant was overinsured.

Some more numbers:
Hurley's grandad had his pacemaker put in 4 years previously. So far unrelated numbers, however, he worked 3 jobs over 52 years and he was 70 years old.
Sam took his own life 4 years ago.
Sam first heard the numbers 16 years ago when in the service.
Wasn't it 16 years that they determined the transmission has been going?

Originally posted by silverstar
Can someone do me a HUGE favour? We had major audio dropouts at a couple crucial times during the program. The one time when Lenny was telling Hurley where the numbers came from, but I was able to figure that out.

The other was when Hurley was talking to his lawyer. I heard everything up until, "...I can't believe they mistook you for..." and then it cut out for the rest of their conversation. Can someone pleeease write out was was said? Thanks

Accountant:...mistook you for a drug dealer."

Hurley:"Bad Luck"

Accountant:"Hugo, you are not the first lottery winner to believe the money's brought them nothing but trouble. It's all in your head.

Hurley:"Why, you don't believe in jinxes? You know, curses?"

Accountant:"I'm an accountant. I believe in numbers. Hey, where'd you get 'em, anyway?"

Hurley:"What"

Accountant:"The winning numbers. What did you use? Someone's birthday...phone number"

Hurley:"No, it's nothing..it's just something that I..."

Accountant:"What"

Hurley:"That's it. It's not the money, it's the numbers. The numbers are cursed....Dude, don't look at me like that. I'm not crazy. This is real-"

Accountant:"-come on Hugo, listen to yourself...the numbers are cursed. You know there is no such thing-"

[body falls by window]

SO, is next week a re-run? How long before a new episode?

so sam heard a message with numbers in it, sent from a radio tower on an island which is sitting on a "box/hatch/submarine", which has those same numbers inscribed on it, which Rousseau changed to her own message 16 years ago, and those same numbers which "brought" hurley to the island.

im "lost" ;)

Originally posted by paul watkins
SO, is next week a re-run? How long before a new episode?
YEP...no new episode till April 13th...its gonna be a looooooooong wait.

However it will probably be very much worth it because it will be the highly anticipated 2nd Locke episode.

Originally posted by KobeShaq
so sam heard a message with numbers in it, sent from a radio tower on an island which is sitting on a "box/hatch/submarine", which has those same numbers inscribed on it, which Rousseau changed to her own message 16 years ago, and those same numbers which "brought" hurley to the island.

im "lost" ;)
Actually, you got a good grasp on whats going on.

Somebody leaked a picture of "the hatch" in all its partially unearthed glory and I just happened to save a copy. I suggest you think twice before looking at it, since this is a big spoiler. However...I'm sure many people will see it since we have to wait 6 weeks before the next episode. :D

The excessive delays betweens eps used to plague Alias, which is why it started in January and runs new nearly every week. JJ's shows get complicated to produce, but usually are worth waiting for.

Agreed. Lost is no doubt one of those that can survive a break of 6 weeks.

Originally posted by keenan
Agreed. Lost is no doubt one of those that can survive a break of 6 weeks.
You got that right...people are going to be discussing the show for the entire 6 weeks just itching for some Locke on April 13th.

Originally posted by wco81
What was that box with the numbers at the end? Was that the side of the hatch?



Yes it was the hatch, but it was an image that we haven't see before, somebody, Locke and Boone, must have been pretty busy...

You mentioned an Amber Alert, are you watching OTA? No Amber Alert with Comcast in Santa Rosa..

Originally posted by keenan

You mentioned an Amber Alert, are you watching OTA? No Amber Alert with Comcast in Santa Rosa..
I got an Amber Alert for the Peninsula.

Just trying to be rhetorically profound neoufo51 :)

How many subplots/theories are going on here?
.. people there having crossed paths with one another before/a monster walking around/rousseaus research team and the transmission, sickness/special children who can make things happen/locke, some kind of guide, and people getting new beginnings/the 2 groups, blackstone-whitestone/the hatch and the numbers ..
did i miss any?

Im loving this show. Its a show that i cant do anything else while im watching it or be distracted. thats how i know a good show. also 24...

I dunno if anybody knows about this here but JJ himself went on a Radio show to talk about Lost. He revealed 3 things.

Lots of filler but basically at least these three things will be solved by the end of season 1:

Why Locke can walk

What is Kate's little plane

Whats up with the French Woman

Sadly, he said they are saving the monster's reveal for next season, but didnt say that it was not going to make an appearance "Loch Ness" style.

Originally posted by KobeShaq
JIm loving this show. Its a show that i cant do anything else while im watching it or be distracted. thats how i know a good show. also 24...
I feel the same way. I pump up the 5.1, empty the room of people who tend to talk and get "lost" in the story. I love this show so damn much. Same goes for 24.

Who was the girl in the picture that sayid picked up from the burned out hideout? It looked like it may have been the girl from his past. Anyone else catch this?

I loved Hurley's fast food shirt.

I almost croaked when I saw the lotto numbers. I used to play all of them except for 4 and 8. I used 3 and 7. They didn't bring good or bad luck.

Steve

Originally posted by keenan
Agreed. Lost is no doubt one of those that can survive a break of 6 weeks.

Six weeks???!!! Who the hell does this guy think he is, David Chase?! Sangs is getting angry!!! I won't know what to do with myself on Wednesday's at 8:00. Maybe I'll have to spend time with my kids. :D

I'm glad they gave us the Hugo/Hurley story before such a long wait though. One nitpick I have from last night. Claire must be really, really stupid, because it was pretty obvious Locke was making a cradle. She didn't recognize what it was until he flipped it over? Come on. If she's going to pass that DNA on to her baby, maybe the bad guys better look for their newborn savior elsewhere.

With all the mystery, speculation, and purposely dropped clues I'm starting to wonder if there is some Lost tie in to one of those Alternate Reality Games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_Reality_Game), like Perplex City (http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050301/ZNYT05/503010381/1051/news01).

- Tom

Originally posted by nuzzy
Opened the box:

Safety deposit box
Jack's fathers casket
Locke worked for a box company
The lady who opened a box to show Michael his letters to Walt

Any others?

how do you secure a box??

with a Locke!

Hmm. Numerology mysticism. Next week: buried WWII clues pointing to the Holy Grail. And the doctor demonstrates skill with a bullwhip. -- John

anybody watching on WMAR channel 2 in Baltimore? Why didn't they switch to HD until 8:30? I'm glad I can get channel 7 from Washington. I think Washingtons picture was even better than WMAR's anyway.

Originally posted by keenan
Agreed. Lost is no doubt one of those that can survive a break of 6 weeks.

The upside (granted small) is we can now re-watch these repeats for occurences of the cursed numbers!

Originally posted by hefe
More numbers...

Game that Lenny was playing in the mental hospital...Connect 4.
Number of people that died in the sneaker factory fire in Canada...8.
Number of weeks that the lottery had gone without a winner...16.

number of years that rousseau has been on the island = number of years that the french recording had been transmitting = number of years since the transmission was discovered by sonny (sam?) = 16

Lately we've seen other "islanders" in the back stories of others, was there any sign of other islanders in Hurley's back story last night. I didn't catch any but then again, I forgot to look at the crowd shots.

Originally posted by silverstar
Can someone do me a HUGE favour? We had major audio dropouts at a couple crucial times during the program. The one time when Lenny was telling Hurley where the numbers came from, but I was able to figure that out.

The other was when Hurley was talking to his lawyer. I heard everything up until, "...I can't believe they mistook you for..." and then it cut out for the rest of their conversation. Can someone pleeease write out was was said? Thanks

Whoa! That was, as I remember, the exact same two times I had audio dropouts.:confused: silverstar, were you either getting the show from ABC in DC or using a Samsung 360 DirecTV receiver OTA?

The 6 weeks in my house will be eased by watching Smallville in HD again. We've had to endure most of the season watching it in VHS.

This show reminded me of an episode of Xfiles.

This guy had really good luck but someone always paid the price. He was thrown off a 10 story building and lived. He bought a scratch type lottery ticket that was worth $20k but chickened out cashing it in and threw it in the trash. A guy in the store picked it up and ran out with it with the lucky guy tying to warn him. He was instantly hit by a bus.

It's like Locke saying the island will give you what you want but you have to give it something in return. Black and white rocks, good and evil, the balance always has to be there.

Originally posted by El Pollo
Whoa! That was, as I remember, the exact same two times I had audio dropouts.:confused: silverstar, were you either getting the show from ABC in DC or using a Samsung 360 DirecTV receiver OTA?

The 6 weeks in my house will be eased by watching Smallville in HD again. We've had to endure most of the season watching it in VHS.

I was watching in DC OTA (WJLA-DT) and did not experience any dropouts.

Originally posted by hefe
Oh yeah...and Lenny shouted out, "you've opened the box"

Forgot that one.

Boxes seem to really tie so many people together.

Now that we have all this information about the numbers. Does anybody remember what the flight number was of their plane?

Also, I'm trying to get think how all this fits in with Claire's baby. If you remeber the psychic was pretty nuts about getting her on that plane and making sure she didn't give it up for adoption.

Originally posted by El Pollo
Whoa! That was, as I remember, the exact same two times I had audio dropouts.:confused: silverstar, were you either getting the show from ABC in DC or using a Samsung 360 DirecTV receiver OTA?

The 6 weeks in my house will be eased by watching Smallville in HD again. We've had to endure most of the season watching it in VHS.

I watched the DC ABC station last night as well, on a MyHD card, and notice an drop out or two in sound here and there.

Originally posted by kadeeu
Now that we have all this information about the numbers. Does anybody remember what the flight number was of their plane?

Also, I'm trying to get think how all this fits in with Claire's baby. If you remeber the psychic was pretty nuts about getting her on that plane and making sure she didn't give it up for adoption.

Flight 815. Same as the number on the Safety Deposit box and the model number of Charlie's copier, amongst other things.

Originally posted by kadeeu
Now that we have all this information about the numbers. Does anybody remember what the flight number was of their plane?

Also, I'm trying to get think how all this fits in with Claire's baby. If you remeber the psychic was pretty nuts about getting her on that plane and making sure she didn't give it up for adoption.
Oceanic 815 ?? I think

CFC

Originally posted by kadeeu
Now that we have all this information about the numbers. Does anybody remember what the flight number was of their plane?

815

Someone translated the caption of the shot of Hurley on Korean TV (back in the previous episode) as "Hugo Reyes convicted of Money Laundering and Malicious cyber crimes. Sentenced to 15 years".

Did anyone else notice that Hurley was referred to as "Reyes" in last night's episode? I don't recall who it was - maybe the accountant or doctor.

Also why was he arrested when the house was burning down? And the accountant said that because the house was over-insured he got a big pay-out. Surely no insurance company will pay out more than the house was worth.

did the guy in the wheel chair (forgot his name) work at a box company? I bet that is the same one.

Also why was he arrested when the house was burning down? And the accountant said that because the house was over-insured he got a big pay-out. Surely no insurance company will pay out more than the house was worth.

It was the shoe factory that burned and was over-insured. How many "burning" incidents have we been provided with:

The raft
Hurley's Mom's new house
Hurley's shoe factory

Am I forgetting any?

I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but what about that boar hanging from the tree? I couldn't tell if it just got caught in a trap like the one that snagged Sayid, or if maybe it was being used as bait for another trap.

did the guy in the wheel chair (forgot his name) work at a box company?

Yes.

Originally posted by Andrew_J_M
Someone translated the caption of the shot of Hurley on Korean TV (back in the previous episode) as "Hugo Reyes convicted of Money Laundering and Malicious cyber crimes. Sentenced to 15 years".

I am thinking that this translation was incorrect. Especially after seeing last nights episode.

Originally posted by Andrew_J_M
Did anyone else notice that Hurley was referred to as "Reyes" in last night's episode? I don't recall who it was - maybe the accountant or doctor.

Hurley's real name (on the show) is Hugo Reyes. Hurle is a nick name.

Originally posted by Andrew_J_M
Also why was he arrested when the house was burning down? And the accountant said that because the house was over-insured he got a big pay-out. Surely no insurance company will pay out more than the house was worth.

The cops thought that he was a drug dealer (the accountant mentioned that). The accountant said that the shoe factory in Canada that burned down was over insured.

Something my wife pointed out at the end of the show:

Early in the episode, Claire asked Locke if he was building some kind of trap- Locke just looked at her and smiled. I can't recall if his response was sinister or innocent? Can someone who has it recorded check? I'm beginning to think Locke knows there's something special about Claire's baby.

Originally posted by auburn97
Something my wife pointed out at the end of the show:

Early in the episode, Claire asked Locke if he was building some kind of trap- Locke just looked at her and smiled. I can't recall if his response was sinister or innocent? Can someone who has it recorded check? I'm beginning to think Locke knows there's something special about Claire's baby.

i was thinking the same thing!

When Hurley was being interviewed he said he wanted to do something nice for his family after what he had recently put them through. So maybe he was a patient there at the mental hospital.

Originally posted by hefe
Hurley: Owns a box company
Locke: Worked for a box company

And around it goes...

probably the same company, would be surprised, with the way the writers are connecting everyone in the episode. So what's going to happen when Hurley finds out Locke works for him, or vise versa ?

Also, what makes everyone think that Hurley was a patient there. Nobody but the doctor recognized him at the hospital when he visited the crazy guy. Maybe Hurley occasionally visited that crazy guy, which is why he wasn't well remembered by the rest of the staff.

Originally posted by NorthJersey
........Maybe Hurley occasionally visited that crazy guy, which is why he wasn't well remembered by the rest of the staff.

But the doc said that he didn't know Hurley was close to the crazy guy. So he must have been there before for some other reason - patient, janitor or whatever.

Originally posted by sangs
Six weeks???!!! Who the hell does this guy think he is, David Chase?! Sangs is getting angry!!! I won't know what to do with myself on Wednesday's at 8:00. Maybe I'll have to spend time with my kids. :D

I'm glad they gave us the Hugo/Hurley story before such a long wait though. One nitpick I have from last night. Claire must be really, really stupid, because it was pretty obvious Locke was making a cradle. She didn't recognize what it was until he flipped it over? Come on. If she's going to pass that DNA on to her baby, maybe the bad guys better look for their newborn savior elsewhere.

c'mon, give Claire some credit, she is a blonde afterall :D

Typical ABC attempt to destroy a show. That's what they did to the Practice and attempted to do with Alias

Originally posted by neoufo51
Somebody leaked a picture of "the hatch" in all its partially unearthed glory and I just happened to save a copy. I suggest you think twice before looking at it, since this is a big spoiler. However...I'm sure many people will see it since we have to wait 6 weeks before the next episode. :D

I still couldn't figure out what it is, so it doesn't spoil anything for me yet. In fact, it raises more questions.

Originally posted by sangs
One nitpick I have from last night. Claire must be really, really stupid, because it was pretty obvious Locke was making a cradle. She didn't recognize what it was until he flipped it over? Come on. If she's going to pass that DNA on to her baby, maybe the bad guys better look for their newborn savior elsewhere.

Perhaps they could have made it less obvious to us, but remember: the rest of the group sees him as a survivalist hunter, not as a sentimental and thoughtful person. We know enough not to look at things at face value because we're watching a show. She, however, had it in her mind that he was building something to use for hunting. It's like that famous picture: some people see two faces, some see a vase.

Besides, even if she isn't the brightest bulb in the pack, think about the movie "Little Man Tate." The kid was a genius, while his mother was blatently average.

Originally posted by auburn97
Something my wife pointed out at the end of the show:

Early in the episode, Claire asked Locke if he was building some kind of trap- Locke just looked at her and smiled. I can't recall if his response was sinister or innocent? Can someone who has it recorded check? I'm beginning to think Locke knows there's something special about Claire's baby.

I think he was just being coy to throw her off. However, he certainly does realize the baby is important.



I gotta say: This was quite possibly my favorite episode this season.

Originally posted by MSaccardi
Typical ABC attempt to destroy a show. That's what they did to the Practice and attempted to do with Alias Sometimes it isn't wise to "tinker" too much with a good thing... But the networks, with their infinite wisdom, have to figure out a way to spread 22 episodes over a 40 week television season.

When they get rid of the idiotic "sweeps weeks", there will be no motivation to put these gaps in a series.

In all the flashback scenes, was Hurley ever shown AFA where he was seated on the plane?!?!? I'm wondering if all of the survivors seats had something to do with the 4/8/15/16/23/42 combination of #'s?? Rows? Seats?

"Spry" was probably _THE_ last word I would EVER think of when I looked at Hurley....:D

Great episode. Great show.

My PVR failed to turn on last night so I hope they have reruns during the 6 week break.

We're seeing a lot of common elements, such as:

The number/s 815 and 8-15
Fire (things burning)
Having killed someone (several of the characters)
Paths crossed (several of the characters)

What else? Can anybody here connect these to each other?

Originally posted by Marissadad
My PVR failed to turn on last night so I hope they have reruns during the 6 week break. That's the plan. Next wee starts with the Charlie/Claire kidnapping episode.

This has no bearing on the show, just a comment: When Hurley was crossing the rope bridge, I kept expecting one of the others to make a remark about his weight...but they didn't. And Hurley never refers to himself as "fat", always "heavy", etc. Political correctness, I suppose?

Originally posted by maxman
This has no bearing on the show, just a comment: When Hurley was crossing the rope bridge, I kept expecting one of the others to make a remark about his weight...but they didn't. And Hurley never refers to himself as "fat", always "heavy", etc. Political correctness, I suppose?

maybe-- put then charlie followed him by saying "if he could do it..."
:D

I think Charlie's comment about "Common guys, if he can do it..." and the look that accompanied that comment said it all.

Originally posted by jaypb
In all the flashback scenes, was Hurley ever shown AFA where he was seated on the plane?!?!? I'm wondering if all of the survivors seats had something to do with the 4/8/15/16/23/42 combination of #'s?? Rows? Seats?

"Spry" was probably _THE_ last word I would EVER think of when I looked at Hurley....:D

Great episode. Great show.
Other number stuff:

Number of survivors: 48 (4, 8)
Flight number: 815 (8, 15)
Number of years that the transmission has been running: 16
(although the continuity on this bit of info is now seriously mixed up, for reasons too long and dull to recount here)

I suspect that some of the appearances of the numbers are just the filmmakers having fun with the audience.

Originally posted by CPanther95
I think Charlie's comment about "Common guys, if he can do it..." and the look that accompanied that comment said it all.
Speaking of looks, I think that look Hurley gave his cell phone right after dialing 911 as the police show up was priceless! It's as though he was thinking "Damn, that was fast!" :)

Originally posted by NorthJersey
probably the same company, would be surprised, with the way the writers are connecting everyone in the episode.
Has to be the same company. The accountant said his box company was in Tustin. When Hurley took the census, he learned from Locke that he lived in Tustin.

Originally posted by Andrew_J_M
But the doc said that he didn't know Hurley was close to the crazy guy. So he must have been there before for some other reason - patient, janitor or whatever.

I'm guessing patient. Twice in the episode Hurley made a point to say, "I'm not crazy." And he glared at Charlie when he called him a lunatic.

Originally posted by auburn97
Something my wife pointed out at the end of the show:

Early in the episode, Claire asked Locke if he was building some kind of trap- Locke just looked at her and smiled. I can't recall if his response was sinister or innocent? Can someone who has it recorded check? I'm beginning to think Locke knows there's something special about Claire's baby.
He was building the cradle, Claire assumed it was something survival related.

Originally posted by Andrew_J_M
Someone translated the caption of the shot of Hurley on Korean TV (back in the previous episode) as "Hugo Reyes convicted of Money Laundering and Malicious cyber crimes. Sentenced to 15 years".

Did anyone else notice that Hurley was referred to as "Reyes" in last night's episode? I don't recall who it was - maybe the accountant or doctor.

Also why was he arrested when the house was burning down? And the accountant said that because the house was over-insured he got a big pay-out. Surely no insurance company will pay out more than the house was worth.

Several people translated the text on different websites, and they all said it was something to the effect of "Big winner Los Angeles"


The accountant said the sneaker factory was overinsured, not the house.

Originally posted by hefe
Has to be the same company. The accountant said his box company was in Tustin. When Hurley took the census, he learned from Locke that he lived in Tustin.
I was wondering about that. I wasn't sure if it had been said where Locke was from. I googled Tustin which turned out to be in CA, but didn't see anything about any box companies located there. ;)

Thanks hefe for typing out that conversation.

Originally posted by El Pollo
Whoa! That was, as I remember, the exact same two times I had audio dropouts.:confused: silverstar, were you either getting the show from ABC in DC or using a Samsung 360 DirecTV receiver OTA?

The 6 weeks in my house will be eased by watching Smallville in HD again. We've had to endure most of the season watching it in VHS.

I was watching the Seattle ABC feed using a Motorola DCT 6412. The audio/video dropouts seem to happen after every commercial break and last for a minute or 2 and then goes away...until the next commercial break.

Even if it was the factory that was over-insured, he still would only get the assessed value from the insurance.

Originally posted by keenan
Yes it was the hatch, but it was an image that we haven't see before, somebody, Locke and Boone, must have been pretty busy...

You mentioned an Amber Alert, are you watching OTA? No Amber Alert with Comcast in Santa Rosa..

How ironic...Hurley's mental hospital was in Santa Rosa (it was on his Visitor's pass)...did you see him around? :D

I was happy to see 23 in the list. Here's some info on those mystical digits.
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:N192HZcszj8J:www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid%3D13136269_method%3Dfull_siteid%3D50143_hea dline%3D-AT-LAST-IT-S-HERE---THE-PAGE-YOU-VE-ALL-BEEN-WAITING--FOR-How-Becks--mystical-number-has-affected-th-name_page.html+23+&hl=en&client=firefox-a
http://www.angelfire.com/bc/bconn/ptvfaq.html

David

Originally posted by Steve Wilcox
Other number stuff:

Number of survivors: 48 (4, 8)
Flight number: 815 (8, 15)
Number of years that the transmission has been running: 16
(although the continuity on this bit of info is now seriously mixed up, for reasons too long and dull to recount here)

I suspect that some of the appearances of the numbers are just the filmmakers having fun with the audience.

and....
8 people died in the sneaker factory fire.

Originally posted by hefe
I'm guessing patient. Twice in the episode Hurley made a point to say, "I'm not crazy." And he glared at Charlie when he called him a lunatic.

Is Lenny old enough to be Hurley's father or step-father? Could he possibly be some other family/stepfamily member?

I forget who Locke told "Believe it or not, I worked for a Box Factory."

Anyone remember?

Originally posted by labmansid
I was wondering about that. I wasn't sure if it had been said where Locke was from. I googled Tustin which turned out to be in CA, but didn't see anything about any box companies located there. ;)

Yeah, he told Hurley that during the same census where we learned that Ethan Rom claimed to be from Ontario...Canada, where they have sneaker factories and lots of French speaking people. ;)

Originally posted by CPanther95
I forget who Locke told "Believe it or not, I worked for a Box Factory."

Anyone remember?

Can you tell I've already checked this out? ;)

In the Hearts and Minds episode, Boone and Locke alone in the jungle...

BOONE: What do you do in the real world, Mr. Locke?

LOCKE: I was a ... regional collections supervisor for a box company.

BOONE: (scoffs) Yeah, right.

I forget... so what happened to the box factory?
There was the fire in the shoe factory that killed 8, what was the bad luck that occured at the box factory?

Originally posted by hefe
I'm guessing patient. Twice in the episode Hurley made a point to say, "I'm not crazy." And he glared at Charlie when he called him a lunatic.


My assumption, although not based on anything, was that he was a volunteer there or something. But he very well could have worked there (janitor), or been admitted there a long time ago.


Also, my assumption about "don't call me crazy" is tied into the revelation from the French woman - "Thank you. I just wanted someone to agree with me (about the curse) and not tell me I'm crazy (fevered hug)" -- not that he was formerly mentally unstable / in a mental hospital.

Originally posted by maxman
Is Lenny old enough to be Hurley's father or step-father? Could he possibly be some other family/stepfamily member?

He couldn't remember the guy's last name. All he remembered was "Lenny/Leonard". So I doubt the guy is family.

Originally posted by cyberbri
He couldn't remember the guy's last name. All he remembered was "Lenny/Leonard". So I doubt the guy is family.

That rules out that possibility then. Thanks!

NEWS BREAK:

Buena Vista Home Entertainment today announced that season one of ABC’s two most popular TV programs — Lost and Desperate Housewives — will be released at retail ($59.99) Sept. 6 and 20, respectively.

Prebook dates for the separate six-disc boxed sets are July 12 and 26.

Lost: The Complete First Season will feature five hours of bonus material, including the original pilot, behind-the-scenes footage of the making of the show; audio commentaries, a blooper reel, roundtable discussions with cast and crew, and a Matthew Fox photography featurette.

from here (http://www.homemediaretailing.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?article_id=7218)

"and a Matthew Fox photography featurette"? That totally sucks! :p

Originally posted by CPanther95
When they get rid of the idiotic "sweeps weeks", there will be no motivation to put these gaps in a series.

Yes, everyone knows advertising pays for these TV shows, but it's getting to the point that there is no respect for the viewers, run all the new episodes during ratings sweeps and whatever, reruns, during non-rating periods. It's become really blatant.

Why would that suck? He takes lots of pics. I bet he's taken some great pictures of the women of Lost.

Originally posted by hefe
How ironic...Hurley's mental hospital was in Santa Rosa (it was on his Visitor's pass)...did you see him around? :D

Really? Dang, I missed that, didn't record it either..:( Anyone have a screen shot of that tag?

My guess is he was a patient at the hospital for drug abuse, as he mentioned he put his family through a lot of pain...

Originally posted by labmansid
I was wondering about that. I wasn't sure if it had been said where Locke was from. I googled Tustin which turned out to be in CA, but didn't see anything about any box companies located there. ;)

Tustin is a city in Orange County, just south of LA, lots of industrial areas there...

Originally posted by cyberbri
My assumption, although not based on anything, was that he was a volunteer there or something. But he very well could have worked there (janitor), or been admitted there a long time ago.


Also, my assumption about "don't call me crazy" is tied into the revelation from the French woman - "Thank you. I just wanted someone to agree with me (about the curse) and not tell me I'm crazy (fevered hug)" -- not that he was formerly mentally unstable / in a mental hospital.

You could be right, but I'm leaning that way since it was such a constant thread through the episode. There were at least 4 times I can think of that it came up before he got to the French chick.

Originally posted by keenan
Yes, everyone knows advertising pays for these TV shows, but it's getting to the point that there is no respect for the viewers, run all the new episodes during ratings sweeps and whatever, reruns, during non-rating periods. It's become really blatant.

They seem to have cut back somewhat on the commercial breaks compared to when the show first started, or am I just getting used to them?

Originally posted by keenan
Really? Dang, I missed that, didn't record it either..:( Anyone have a screen shot of that tag?

My guess is he was a patient at the hospital for drug abuse, as he mentioned he put his family through a lot of pain...

Wouldn't that be more of a rehab center? This was obviously a psychiatric ward.

Originally posted by optivity
Why watch repeats of Lost... when you can see new episodes of Battlestar Galactica instead?:confused: One reason I'm going to is because our local ABC station wasn't able to give us reliable HDTV on Wednesdays for a few weeks in a row. The repeats will give me a chance to watch them without the screen blacking out every minute. :mad:

Originally posted by Crazy MB
I forget... so what happened to the box factory?
There was the fire in the shoe factory that killed 8, what was the bad luck that occured at the box factory?

Nothing bad was mentioned, just that he was now the majority stockholder.

Originally posted by hefe
How ironic...Hurley's mental hospital was in Santa Rosa (it was on his Visitor's pass)...did you see him around? :D

There was on a rose on Sam's wife's shirt...... ;)

Originally posted by Crazy MB
I forget... so what happened to the box factory?
There was the fire in the shoe factory that killed 8, what was the bad luck that occured at the box factory?

Speculation: Locke got injured in the plant area of the box factory. They then gave him a desk job....

Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
Did I miss the post or has anyone else not yet commented on what Hurley said about it being strange that no one else on the island is interested in looking for the giant monster?

Just listened again. He talked about the monster or "pissed off giraffe" then he said:

"The fact that no one is even looking for us, yeah, that's wierd"

I also thought he said it.

Originally posted by Innova
Speculation: Locke got injured in the plant area of the box factory. They then gave him a desk job....

I thought about that, but the problem I have is that the rest of the evidence points to the lotto winning being more recent than 4 years ago.

And the fact that Hurley realized it was the numbers were cursed as soon as he heard about the accident from his accountant, and seemingly immediately went to see Lenny, then off to Australia. Locke seemed to have been in the wheelchair for a long time.


And I thought I remember the accountant saying "you've doubled your net worth in 4 months" or something to that effect.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Just listened again. He talked about the monster or "pissed off giraffe" then he said:

"The fact that no one is even looking for us, yeah, that's wierd"

I also thought he said it.


When I watched it, I also thought he said "there's a giant monster, and nobody's looking for it"

This show is impossible to watch without a TiVo.

(Or other DVR...ok I'm a TiVo snob)

4 8 15 16 23 = 66

Mega super-duper richer than crap jackpot number = 4+ 2 = 6

666 Devil island.

:)

Hmm, it better be more than the producers having fun with viewers with the numbers thing. They better explain all these ties. Makes it almost seem inevitable that these people were fated to end up on the same plane. You have the psychic and the lunatic talking mumbo jumbo.

The numbers have obviously generated a lot of excitement among viewers. They feel rewarded for paying attention to all these clues. Better not be some cynical tactic to make viewers think they're learning something only to not tie it up at the end.

BTW, why would a slacker who hits the jackpot invest in factories? There are better passive investments which are a lot less risky. Plus, who ever heard of a sneaker factor in Ontario? Everyone knows they're all in the Far East now. I'm not sure about the box factory either. You would think it would be closer to areas which are logged heavily.

Originally posted by gshipley
4 8 15 16 23 = 66

Mega super-duper richer than crap jackpot number = 4+ 2 = 6

666 Devil island.

:)

This bit of numerology makes more sense than any of the others... :eek:

BTW, why would a slacker who hits the jackpot invest in factories?

Poor investment advice?

Originally posted by cyberbri
And the fact that Hurley realized it was the numbers were cursed as soon as he heard about the accident from his accountant, and seemingly immediately went to see Lenny, then off to Australia. Locke seemed to have been in the wheelchair for a long time.


And I thought I remember the accountant saying "you've doubled your net worth in 4 months" or something to that effect.

Just before Hurley and Charley became "target practice", Hurley was about to tell Charley about him winning the lottery. He started by saying "About a year ago..." then the bullets started flying.

Originally posted by wco81


BTW, why would a slacker who hits the jackpot invest in factories? There are better passive investments which are a lot less risky.

I'll take a doubling of my money in 4 mos over a passive investment anytime..:p

Originally posted by wco81

BTW, why would a slacker who hits the jackpot invest in factories? There are better passive investments which are a lot less risky. Plus, who ever heard of a sneaker factor in Ontario? Everyone knows they're all in the Far East now. I'm not sure about the box factory either. You would think it would be closer to areas which are logged heavily.

I'd chalk that up to him hiring someone to handle all that. He's not that involved. When the accountant informed him that he acquired the factory, he didn't seem that interested.

They only said the sneaker factory was in Canada. Ontario is where Ethan Rom said he was from. Just a possible link-but maybe not.

ONe thing that might blow your mind... :)

Anyone think that could have been Locke falling from the building behind Hurley and his investment banker? Maybe that's how he lost the use of his legs? Seeing as though he probably couldn't have gone TOO long in a wheelchair to be able to get up and know how to walk right away on the island....

Also, I dont think Hurley was an employee at the mental facility, cuz the lady at the desk didnt know him... she probably wouldnt have given him such a hard time about finding Lenny if she had seen him coming in and out on a daily basis, unless his time there was before she was working the front desk. Maybe he was a patient and she never saw him cuz she was always up front and he was in "the back" with the rest of the patients?

And it seems strange that Hurley supposedly lives in LA, but was in a mental facility in the Bay Area. He won the lottery in Los Angeles, which meant he had to have moved there from up north before winning it... if he was a patient there, maybe when he got out he moved down south to live with his mother?

it sounded to me like hurley didn't have a lot of knowledge or control over what was happening with his money. It seemed like everything that came up in that meeting with the accountant was news to him.

Hurley obviously handed his winnings over to a financial adviser. The box and sneaker companies were just two of his many investments and probably the stupidest ones.

But you see, the fact that he made money from such stupid investments showed just how ironically his fate was being controlled.

I cringed when I heard his mother's ankle snap when she missed the step on the curb.

i get the feeling locke was in that wheelchair for quite some time based on his mental state and his strong feelings of "don't tell me what I can't do"

and I'd be more willing to believe hurley was a patient there if someone could think of a condition he could have had. the people there seemed pretty messed up ... and hurley seems more with it than a recovering mental patient.

Originally posted by mx6bfast
I cringed when I heard his mother's ankle snap when she missed the step on the curb.

Wow, me to, I thought of Joe Theismann..

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho


Also, I dont think Hurley was an employee at the mental facility, cuz the lady at the desk didnt know him... she probably wouldnt have given him such a hard time about finding Lenny if she had seen him coming in and out on a daily basis, unless his time there was before she was working the front desk. Maybe he was a patient and she never saw him cuz she was always up front and he was in "the back" with the rest of the patients?



It makes sense that he was a patient, for the reasons above, and, the fact that it was a doctor that recognized him...

Locke was in a wheelchair for four years.

but what ilness would he have had? (hurley)

maybe something to do with the death of his father? (if he's dead, he wasn't around in last night's episode)

Actually, jackshakes, I think Locke's attitude would be more conducive to someone that's only been in a wheelchair a short amount of time. If he had been without the use of his legs for a couple years, he would have gotten over that attitude and realized his role, what he can and cant do. If its all knew to him, he'd still be feeling like he can do everything he was, until recently, able to do...

Someone with this episode saved on an HD-Tivo, can you freeze frame when the guy falls past the window and see if you can tell who it is? Post a picture if you get a good shot

hehe, well then CPanther, that explains it :) But still, I'd love to see who that person was falling... because if it wasn't significant in some way, there would have been no reason to put it in there....

well I don't have an HD Tivo but I do have it recorded from a different PVR ... i can try when I get home if someone doesn't beat me to it. unless you only want it if it comes from a tivo?

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
hehe, well then CPanther, that explains it :) But still, I'd love to see who that person was falling... because if it wasn't significant in some way, there would have been no reason to put it in there....

I think it was just added to impress on the fact that bad things happen to people around Hurley, inside of 1 minute, his mother breaks her leg, the house burns down and he gets arrested, talk about having a bad day, hilarious..:D

Way too much of a blur to make out an identity. Definitely too girly of a scream to be Locke anyway. ;)

Based on the background and the scream - they were high enough up that it was not a survivable fall.

ahh, makes sense keenan... would have been great though if that person somehow was involved with the cast/storyline.... maybe it still will be?

Anything's possible with this show..:D

They seemed pretty high up - you coldn't see the ground from the window. I don't know if anyone would survive a fall like that.

But I think it was another "bad luck" thing - "See, I'm cursed. I come here to talk to you, and someone falls off the building". That's why he told the guy not to change the lightbulb - thinking "I'm bad luck, so if you try that you're going to fall and break your neck"


And yeah, I freeze-framed the guy falling. It was just a big blur. And that was his accountant's building, presumably in California. Not the box company (in Texas?).

Maybe the guy landed on Kate's boyfriend. :)

03/01 - When the BIG castmember dies off, Claire's baby will be born .... And Jack will NOT be the one to deliver it. The ultimate reason for the death will be the ultimate betrayal from someone he believes to be his trusted ally. But I will say that when I say BIG character, it is not a reference to anyone's size. Lost will return with new episodes on April 13th and we'll get more backstory on Locke, Jack, Sayid and Kate (in that order) before the season ender which will take the life of one of the beloved ten men. Source: Kristin on E!Online

Please use spoiler tags. :rolleyes:

oh ty............was in such a hurry I forgot to do it.........

Sorry and Thanks again

Noticed any similarity between Hurley's Brother (press conf scene), his mother and grandpa. Not a lot of similarities with hurley considering they are family.

Now the lady in Austrlia (Sam's Wife) had similar hair and body and laid back attitude as Hurley.

The connecttion between Lenny and Hurley could be via Sam and his wife.


Just theorizing.

Originally posted by labmansid
I was wondering about that. I wasn't sure if it had been said where Locke was from. I googled Tustin which turned out to be in CA, but didn't see anything about any box companies located there. ;)


I work here in Tustin.. :) Don't know of any box companies here.

BUT I do recall Locke telling someone that he worked for a box company in Tustin in an earlier episode. Weird...

Originally posted by wco81
BTW, why would a slacker who hits the jackpot invest in factories? There are better passive investments which are a lot less risky. Plus, who ever heard of a sneaker factor in Ontario? Everyone knows they're all in the Far East now. I'm not sure about the box factory either. You would think it would be closer to areas which are logged heavily.

Can't help you with the sneaker factory, but there are several box companies here in the Fresno area. One is about 2 1/2 miles from my office and I used to deliver boxes for them one summer. I have a friend who works for a box company in Dinuba, CA.

While you think the box companies would be closer to the logging areas, that isn't exactly necessary. The boxes need to get to customers who are located all over. Often the mill will be near the logging areas and the final assembly of the cardboard and fabrication of the box will be much closer.

If he was a regional collections supervisor, then I would guess it is a big box company like Willamette, Georgia Pacific or maybe even Inland Container, but not likely a local manufacturer like the smaller companies we have around here like Maxco or Coachella Valley Container.

Originally posted by labmansid
The Doc said "It's good to see you...What are you doing back here?", suggesting he was pretty familiar with Hugo/Hurley, and did not expect to see him back there as though he had been released. From his conversation earlier with his Mom it appeared he had not been living at her home for long. I have to admit, however, that Hurley seems much too "with it" to be in the same place as those other "dudes" in the institution.

He could have been a frequent visitor, visiting another patient (someone besides Lenny)

But my gut tells me he was a patient

Originally posted by CPanther95
Locke was in a wheelchair for four years.

There's the number "4" again.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Just listened again. He talked about the monster or "pissed off giraffe" then he said:

"The fact that no one is even looking for us, yeah, that's wierd"

I also thought he said it.

Many thanks but now it makes even less sense in context than it did before, to me anyway. I'm glad I record this show every week so I can replay the entire conversation with Hurley and the French woman again.

...But still, I'd love to see who that person was falling... because if it wasn't significant in some way, there would have been no reason to put it in there....

I thought it was a ridiculous scene to use, like they were over-trying to make a point. Reminded me of something you'd see in a farcical Jim Carrey movie.

Originally posted by wco81
BTW, why would a slacker who hits the jackpot invest in factories? There are better passive investments which are a lot less risky. Plus, who ever heard of a sneaker factor in Ontario? Everyone knows they're all in the Far East now. I'm not sure about the box factory either. You would think it would be closer to areas which are logged heavily.

it appeared that Hurley hired the financial adviser to invest his $$$. How else to explain how Hurley was shocked when the adviser told him that he now owned a box company, because "everyone needs boxes"

It still doesn't seem likely that an adviser would buy companies without telling the investor ahead of time.

In fact, with all that money, you could be conservative and go for income, not invest in something speculative where a fire leads to a doubling of your net worth (no arson investigation)?

Maybe these details will be more meaningful down the line. Can't imagine JJ Ballard is putting his money into factories rather than stocks and bonds or real estate.