Originally posted by maxman
I thought it was a ridiculous scene to use, like they were over-trying to make a point. Reminded me of something you'd see in a farcical Jim Carrey movie.

Nah, it was supremely funny; my gf & I laughed so hard it hurt. And, it injected a badly needed bit of humor in this otherwise pretty dark show.

Originally posted by maxman
I thought it was a ridiculous scene to use, like they were over-trying to make a point. Reminded me of something you'd see in a farcical Jim Carrey movie.

I thought it was to show that people that weren't close to, related to, or might not even know Hurley were still affected by the curse. That fact might have some significance.

He didn't "buy a company". He invested in a company by buying stocks in it, and after the fire or accident or whatever, he suddenly became the majority share holder (had more shares than anyone). I don't know if that's how it works in the real world (I thought you have to have 51%+ of the shares or something), but that's what I got from that scene.

Originally posted by archiguy
Nah, it was supremely funny; my gf & I laughed so hard it hurt. And, it injected a badly needed bit of humor in this otherwise pretty dark show.

Exactly, the whole episode had an undertone of hilarity about, it was great, more laughs than all previous episodes combined..:)

"She says, Hey" Classic...:p

I think you guys are looking for more in this episode than is really there, what with all the talk about the guy falling and the details of his investments...IMO..

The investments were just that - investments. He had purchased enough shares to have a "controlling interest" (Rupert Murdoch owns 30% of News Corp) in the box company. He doesn't need to get involved any more than he desires to - which apparently he has no desire to. No biggie, the shares can just as easily be sold in whole or in part at the investors descretion - pretty much the same as if he owned 10 shares of Microsoft.

I'm in the "laughed my ass off" camp when it comes to the falling body.

Originally posted by keenan
I think you guys are looking for more in this episode than is really there, what with all the talk about the guy falling and the details of his investments...IMO..

Agreed. All that was just there to show that, money wise, things were going unusually well for Hurley. Even if disaster struck he came out ahead financially. It was always at a cost though, mostly if the form of human life.

Heck, he might have even made a windfall somehow from the crash of
flight 815.

Originally posted by dmbatch
Agreed. All that was just there to show that, money wise, things were going unusually well for Hurley. Even if disaster struck he came out ahead financially. It was always at a cost though, mostly if the form of human life.

Heck, he might have even made a windfall somehow from the crash of
flight 815.

Yep, he probably owns stock in a rival airline..:p

There's not much evidence that Rousseau and Sam were as fortunate with their "numbers" experience as Hurley was - they only got the bad luck surrounding them.

Originally posted by keenan
Yep, he probably owns stock in a rival airline..:p

Or shorted Oceanic?

1.) No doubt Hurley was a patient in the loony bin. They could not have pointed it out any clearer to us with all the "don't call me crazy" lines and him just moving back home with his mom. He was probably in there because he couldn't handle some things in his life like his weight or perhaps his father dying? Its not important right now.

2.) The guy falling is just some window washer that has nothing to do with anything and he's dead and gone.


When Hurley hugged Rouso I laughed out loud. I also like how Sawyer changed the kid's nickname from "Tatoo" to "Short Round". Being a big Indiana Jones fan I loved this. The bridge scene made me think of Temple of Doom as well. And "she says hey" was good too.

Originally posted by CPanther95
There's not much evidence that Rousseau and Sam were as fortunate with their "numbers" experience as Hurley was - they only got the bad luck surrounding them.

Sam won money in a bean guessing contest with the numbers. On the way home, they had the accident that took his wife's leg, while he was completely unharmed.

Originally posted by Deric
1.) No doubt Hurley was a patient in the loony bin. They could not have pointed it out any clearer to us with all the "don't call me crazy" lines and him just moving back home with his mom. He was probably in there because he couldn't handle some things in his life like his weight or perhaps his father dying? Its not important right now.


You may think there's no doubt, but there's also the fact that every time he says he's cursed or the money's cursed or the numbers are cursed, people act like he's crazy. When he met Rousseau, he just wanted someone to believe him/agree with him so he could know he wasn't crazy. So in my mind, the "don't call me crazy" (which I think he said for the first time last night) was all about the curse/jinx. If someone you knew said they were cursed, you'd probably call him/her crazy too. After people keep telling you you're crazy, you get mad and say "don't call me crazy."

Originally posted by hefe
Sam won money in a bean guessing contest with the numbers. On the way home, they had the accident that took his wife's leg, while he was completely unharmed.

Yup. He was the first person to get it right in something like 15 or 23 years or something (maybe another number from the "cursed" set).

Either there is a curse, or it was all coincidences for both Hurley and Sam and they built it into a "curse" in their own mind. Sam's wife didn't believe it was a curse, Rosseau didn't think there was a curse until Hurley mentioned it. Is there a curse? Who knows. But it is true that those numbers brought Rosseau to the island (only because her crew went looking for the source of the transmission), and caused the chain of events that brought Hurley there too (Sam heard the transmission, used the numbers, the numbers got to Hurley through Leonard, Hurley went to Australia to talk to Sam).

Originally posted by cyberbri
But it is true that those numbers brought Rosseau to the island (only because her crew went looking for the source of the transmission), and caused the chain of events that brought Hurley there too (Sam heard the transmission, used the numbers, the numbers got to Hurley through Leonard, Hurley went to Australia to talk to Sam).

I think Sam and Leonard heard the same transmission as Rousseau, so it wouldn't trace back to Rousseau's actions necessarily. It would be two different chains connected directly to the transmission.

I forgot about the beans (I think it was 40 years without a correct guess). So Sam and Hurley had good luck (personally) - don't know about Rousseau yet.

Originally posted by CPanther95
So Sam and Hurley had good luck (personally) - don't know about Rousseau yet.

Personally if it were me after being stranded alone on a desert isle I'd consider finding company pretty darn good luck. :)

Originally posted by CPanther95
I think Sam and Leonard heard the same transmission as Rousseau, so it wouldn't trace back to Rousseau's actions necessarily. It would be two different chains connected directly to the transmission.

I forgot about the beans (I think it was 40 years without a correct guess). So Sam and Hurley had good luck (personally) - don't know about Rousseau yet.

Yes, I didn't mean to say that Rousseau did anything to change Sam's life. They all heard the numbers over the transmission. Then Rousseau changed the message being transmitted after the "sickness" took her fellow crew members.

Nobody's talking about the "sickness" here...

Originally posted by CPanther95
So Sam and Hurley had good luck (personally) - don't know about Rousseau yet.

Well, she is the lone survivor after all the others got sick and she killed 'em.

The timing of everything brings up another point. Sam and Lenny heard the transmission 16 years ago. Coincidentally, that was how long ago Rousseau changed the trasmission. So those two events had to happen right about the same time.

Perhaps the numbers broadcast only started up a very short time before it was changed. Sam and Lenny had only just started hearing it, and they were on a listening post where that's all they did. But did they also hear Rousseau's broadcast next?

You'd think they must have. Maybe Lenny's got some more info to share...

I think my post was overlooked but did anybody else notice sayid pick up the picture? It looked like the girl from his flashback episode. Why would the french woman have a picture of her? Did she run away from Iraq and end up on the island?

Steve

Originally posted by No Clue
I think my post was overlooked but did anybody else notice sayid pick up the picture? It looked like the girl from his flashback episode. Why would the french woman have a picture of her? Did she run away from Iraq and end up on the island?

Steve

Simple, she took it from him when she held him prisoner. He never got it back.

Originally posted by No Clue
I think my post was overlooked but did anybody else notice sayid pick up the picture? It looked like the girl from his flashback episode. Why would the french woman have a picture of her? Did she run away from Iraq and end up on the island?

Steve

Sayid had the picture with him when he was taken by Rousseu. She took his stuff away from him. He didn't get everything back when he escaped.

That's my take, anyway...

Originally posted by No Clue
I think my post was overlooked but did anybody else notice sayid pick up the picture? It looked like the girl from his flashback episode. Why would the french woman have a picture of her? Did she run away from Iraq and end up on the island?

Steve

You're right PJO, That was Nadia. Rousseau took it from him.

With all the other mysical/religious theories out there, are the writers having fun with us with the final "powerball" number? 42 = the ultimate answer to life, the universe, and everything

Originally posted by PJO1966
Sayid had the picture with him when he was taken by Rousseu. She took his stuff away from him. He didn't get everything back when he escaped.

That's my take, anyway...

Sounds reasonable. I didn't remember her taking his stuff.

Originally posted by wco81
In fact, with all that money, you could be conservative and go for income, not invest in something speculative where a fire leads to a doubling of your net worth (no arson investigation)? With a net worth of $158 million, Hurley probably has a diverse portfolio of speculative and conservative investments.

The thing I like most about this episode is that, once again, the writers have shown us something we never would have guessed about a character. Before this episode Hurley was the fat, dumpy, maybe even "a little slow" guy who called everyone dude and used his humor to keep people from taking him seriously. Unless you were able to read Korean quickly last week you never would have thought Hurley was a tycoon and living a cursed life! It was suprising to see that big guy show emotions during the flashbacks and to the French chick... but then go right back into his shell ("She says 'Hey'").

No wonder why he does this. At the beginning of the episode, Sayid treats him like he's an idiot when he asks about the maps and what they might mean, since those matters are for the handsome intelligent men of the group. Of course Sayid assumes Jack had him steal the map since Hurley wouldn't understand that stuff. At the end when he tells Charlie his secret in utter seriousness, Charlie assumes he's just making up stuff and calls him a liar. No one will take him seriously.

Looking back, I wonder why Hurley of all people took the initiative to take a census of all the survivors which turned out to be a good idea (just a little too late). Wasn't he also behind building the golf course so people will have something to do?

Originally posted by scowl
Looking back, I wonder why Hurley of all people took the initiative to take a census of all the survivors which turned out to be a good idea (just a little too late). Wasn't he also behind building the golf course so people will have something to do?

Unrecognized genius. I do think it was funny that Charlie didn't believe him. It was also a very nice bit of comic relief with the man falling out the window.

It was also a very nice bit of comic relief with the man falling out the window.

OK, OK, I see I'm outnumbered on this one!

Originally posted by scowl
Looking back, I wonder why Hurley of all people took the initiative to take a census of all the survivors which turned out to be a good idea (just a little too late). Wasn't he also behind building the golf course so people will have something to do?

Hurley for Mayor! Guy's a born leader. Except all his constituents would die or suffer terrible accidents.

I got this idea from a thread at TheFuselage.com:

23 is the number of human chromosome pairs. I find this number to be very intriguing when we consider closed hatches and unborn babies, etc., etc.

That was in the links I posted earlier, plus a lot more 23 stuff.

David

Anybody else just a little disappointed we didn't yet find out how "Hurley" got his nickname? I'm pretty sure nobody called him by that name during any of the flashback scenes, so I would think it's part of his recent story?

Originally posted by No Clue
Sounds reasonable. I didn't remember her taking his stuff.

She asked him who the girl in the picture was.

Originally posted by maxman
OK, OK, I see I'm outnumbered on this one! Yep! :D

Originally posted by tbb1226
Anybody else just a little disappointed we didn't yet find out how "Hurley" got his nickname? I'm pretty sure nobody called him by that name during any of the flashback scenes, so I would think it's part of his recent story?

I wouldn't assume that. The only people we saw in his flashback were his family, professionals (Doctor, Financial Advisor), Leonard (mentally unstable), and Sam's wife (just met him). I wouldn't expect any of these people to call him Hurley as a rule. Maybe if we saw some of his co-workers at the chicken shack or his friends (if he has any) they would call him Hurley. Probably a name some kid in elementary school gave him.:)

Wait, I forgot, the guy flying by the window, but he was probably moving too quickly to see who was in the office!

Originally posted by tbb1226
Anybody else just a little disappointed we didn't yet find out how "Hurley" got his nickname? I'm pretty sure nobody called him by that name during any of the flashback scenes, so I would think it's part of his recent story?
We were discussing that at work this morning, and felt the same way.

Anyone else find it interesting to see Sawyer reading "A Wrinkle in Time"? Make you wonder if they haven't gone through some type of tesseract of their own.

If I recall Hugo was called (or called himself) Hurley once in the psychiatric scene.

Paul

I was so disappointed by this weeks episode, I don't even feel like speculating anymore. Cursed numbers are really lame. The footbridge was lame. Hurley's backstory was insipid. The TiVo will capture the next episode in only six more weeks? I wonder if I will care by then.

Numerology is bogus, without any science that supports it. Lame, lame.

Gary

Great Episode!! I think you are in the minority.

Originally posted by Gary McCoy
I was so disappointed by this weeks episode, I don't even feel like speculating anymore. Cursed numbers are really lame. The footbridge was lame. Hurley's backstory was insipid. The TiVo will capture the next episode in only six more weeks? I wonder if I will care by then.

Numerology is bogus, without any science that supports it. Lame, lame.

Gary

Yeah if they tie it all up with a rational explanation for why all these people had the same numbers be meaningful in their lives and why they all came together on Flight 815, it'll be cool.

But if it's some Nostradamus, voodoo, twilight zone ****, that would just be weak.

I'm hoping that the psychic who was responsible for getting Claire on the plane and the guy at the sanitarium who got Hurley on the plane are just head fakes.

With all the other mysical/religious theories out there, are the writers having fun with us with the final "powerball" number? 42 = the ultimate answer to life, the universe, and everything

Yes, but IIRC according to the Hitchhikers Guide that was way back when 42=6*8, maybe no longer true. ;)

And would any of us really build and walk that scary bridge over the gorge if we could really walk around the end of it as fast as they did?

- Tom

I don't think the numbers themselves will have any significance, and that any thoughts about numerology will be way off base. I think the writers are sticking 815 in just about every other episode purely for the fun of it. Two of the other lottery numbers are also well known favorites for writers to throw in whenever they need a "random" number: 23 (infamous for its supposed "synchronicity (http://www.google.com/search?q=23+synchronicity)") and 42 (Douglas Adams' famous answer to everything (http://www.thefab.net/topics/culture_general/cg03_question42.htm)). I think this pretty much proves the writers don't have any deeper meaning other than amusing themselves and us geeks!

I would go across the brige if the pissed off giraffe was chasing me.

The numbers may not mean anything, really. The only person who believes they have some sort of power other than Hurley is Rousseau. Hurley just sees all the bad things happening and they are perhaps a curse or perhaps a coincidence.

Even ties to another person can be dismissed as coincidence unless they get overwhelming. When all you look for is the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42, you will find them all over the place. 8 slices of pizza. 16 ounces of soda. 4 cans of Red Bull in a pack. 15 steps to the car. 23 people in your wing of the mental ward. 42 days until they release you.

I wonder how many other ties we will get with people. There is a connection between Sawyer and Jack. There is a connection between Hurley and Locke and possibly Kate. It would be very weird if everyone was connected somehow by the time the show is in season 2 - of course, they wouldn't learn that until season 5 at the rate they share information.

Originally posted by Shadowjack
I got this idea from a thread at TheFuselage.com:

23 is the number of human chromosome pairs. I find this number to be very intriguing when we consider closed hatches and unborn babies, etc., etc.

Send in the Clones :-) (I'm not going to drop this until they prove me wrong :-)

"they wouldn't learn that until season 5 at the rate they share information."

Which even under the "willing suspension of disbelief" is the most ridiculous thing on the whole show. You're all trapped on an island, no hope of rescue, you don't share anything with anyone? Please.

Anyone with a Tivo able to answer this? When Hurley tells Leonard he used the numbers, Leonard got agitated and said something like: "What you used the numbers? ...you let it out???? ....heard them....?"

Originally posted by ftboomer
"481-516-2342" is a Quebec number. Hurley owned a tennis shoe company in Canada.

I'm from Montreal (Quebec). 481 area code is NOT a number from quebec, nor ontario. Quebec has a 418 area code though, but no 481.

Here's an off-the-wall theory on the numbers: Some earlier castaways (maybe the ones found in the cave) on the island found the hatch too. They tried in vain to open the thing and became obsessed. Eventually they went mad and replaced their broadcast for rescue to a broadcast of the numbers, hoping someone would give them an answer about how to open the hatch.

Xesdeeni

1-481 General Purpose Code

This code is reserved, but no further information is available yet.

Originally posted by petergaryr
Anyone with a Tivo able to answer this? When Hurley tells Leonard he used the numbers, Leonard got agitated and said something like: "What you used the numbers? ...you let it out???? ....heard them....?"

He says, "You've opened the box!"

Rewatched Wednesday's episode last night.
- Locke did not have a wild look in his eye when Clare asked if what he was making was some kind of trap. He just asked her to pass him the glue. I think if anything he had a sneaky look because he was getting her to help make her own baby's cradle. I thought it was great that it also turned out to be her birthday present.
- When Hurley was talking to the French Chick he said it was strange that no one was looking for 'us'. (The 'pissed-off giraffe' comment killed me!) In my opinion that was THE BEST scene of the whole series.
- The person falling from the building was NOT Locke. He had a head full of dark hair. More than likely that person died.
- I believe Hurley was a patient in the psychiatric ward because the Dr. asked, "What are you doing back here" like he wasn't expected back as in a cured patient.

Originally posted by trbarry
Yes, but IIRC according to the Hitchhikers Guide that was way back when 42=6*8, maybe no longer true. ;)
....

- Tom Not to be a picker of nits, but the question pulled from the bag of scrabble letters was, "What do you get when you mulitply 6 by 9?"

YMMV

- I believe Hurley was a patient in the psychiatric ward because the Dr. asked, "What are you doing back here" like he wasn't expected back as in a cured patient.

Hurley previously volunteered there: "What are you doing back here?"
Hurley previously worked there: "What are you doing back here?"
Hurley previously worked there and was fired: "What are you doing back here?"
Hurley previously visited someone who is no longer there: "What are you doing back here?"

etc., etc.

And of course, he could have been a patient there.

Originally posted by MrMike6by9
Not to be a picker of nits, but the question pulled from the bag of scrabble letters was, "What do you get when you mulitply 6 by 9?"

YMMV

Yes, I remember that. Remember when Arthur was told the answer was 42, he said something like "What is 6 times 7?"

Would the writers really use 42 as a reference to HGTTG? Only time will tell, maybe the answer is at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe.

So long and thanks for all the fish....

WHen Hurley first confronted Rousseau, she makes the comment "oh, your one from the plane crash" (not exact quote) which does lead one to confirm there are others on the island and they are not part of Rousseaus's original group.

Argee, yes there are others on the island from Rousseau's point of view. Sayid told her there was a plane crash, so when she encountered Hurley she deduced that he was from the plane wreck.

This does leave open the possibility that there are others (aside from Rosseau) who are not from the plane crash. We have seen Ethan and it stands to reason that Ethan was not alone on the island either.

Originally posted by keenan
I think it was just added to impress on the fact that bad things happen to people around Hurley, inside of 1 minute, his mother breaks her leg, the house burns down and he gets arrested, talk about having a bad day, hilarious..:D

There are no accidents or coincidences in this show. Some how in the future that person falling will be tied in to the arch of the story. (It would be kind of cool if they completely ignored it for 2 seasons and then had a story line in a couple of years that showed the backstory of the fall...)

Does anyone else think Leonard (or Lenny) was a subtle homage to the movie Memento? Lenny tells Hurley about a man named Sam Toomis in Australia. In Memento, the main character Lenny played by Guy Pierce, is obsessed with a man named Sammy Jenkis.

Originally posted by shadowbox
Does anyone else think Leonard (or Lenny) was a subtle homage to the movie Memento? Lenny tells Hurley about a man named Sam Toomis in Australia. In Memento, the main character Lenny played by Guy Pierce, is obsessed with a man named Sammy Jenkis.
Yep. The guys at Lost said they will always pay homage to famous films, shows, etc with cleverly named characters. I think your assertion is incorrect however. It sounds more like the guys at Lost named him after Dr. Sam Loomis, played by Donald Pleasance, the psychiatrist(!) from the Halloween films who tries to stop Michael Myers. Which...incidentally, John Carpenter borrowed Dr. Sam Loomis' name from Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho. Sam Loomis was the name of Janet Leigh's character's lover. (Janet Leigh is Jamie Lee Curtis' mom)

EDIT: Wait....wasnt it Sam "Toomie", not Toomis?
EDIT2: Yep, its Sam Toomey.
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/18.html
Oh well.

Originally posted by petergaryr
Anyone with a Tivo able to answer this? When Hurley tells Leonard he used the numbers, Leonard got agitated and said something like: "What you used the numbers? ...you let it out???? ....heard them....?"

what is with you guys using the word 'tivo' to represent any form of recording tv? I figured my passive agressive comments on the matter might ring home that some of us *do* record the shows but *don't* use a Tivo.

Anyway ... as stated earlier he said you "opened the box" ... I took it to mean Pandora's Box ... but others are thinking it all ties in with the many 'box' related portions of the show.

"Tivo" is as accepted as a generic term, just like Kleenex and Band-Aid. People often say they Tivo'd something when in actuality they used some more primitive form of recording device. :)

Yeah... Now excuse me while I go xerox some forms...

Originally posted by jackshakes
Anyway ... as stated earlier he said you "opened the box" ... I took it to mean Pandora's Box ... but others are thinking it all ties in with the many 'box' related portions of the show.
Its creepy how things fit on this show. Over at the Fuselage the guys have found the actual listening post in Kalgoolrie where Leonard and Sam Toomey had been stationed that curiously leads to a military station. Also, the area for that actual radio tower is in an area that supposedly is a place where people go on Walkabouts (Locke?)

Also, there is an actual box company in Tustin, CA. But hey, coincedence there.

Originally posted by CPanther95
"Tivo" is as accepted as a generic term, just like Kleenex and Band-Aid. People often say they Tivo'd something when in actuality they used some more primitive form of recording device. :)
Bingo...now pardon me while I go have a Coke, Xerox something and then listen to a podcast while throwing a Frisbee...

Edit: I swear I was typing this before I saw your reply, Jaydog!

BTW, remind me when the next 6 weeks are up not to wait a day before watching the next new episode... I've spent the last hour (or so) getting caught up here...

Excellent episode...

It'll be interesting to see how the fact that Hurley has stock in the box company that Locke worked at ties together more than we now know.

I laughed when they showed Hurley drive up in his H2... :D

Originally posted by JayDog_2
I laughed when they showed Hurley drive up in his H2... :D

Me too, 150 Million dollars and instead of getting a real Hummer he buys a crappy GM knock-off. HA HA.

OT: You can Xerox something or photocopy it.

If I TiVo something without a TiVo brand DVR, did I DVR it? Saying I digitally recorded it to a hard drive doesn't exactly roll off the tongue like I TiVo'd it does. I DVRed it doesn't exactly sound as cool, either.

Plus... it's not 'Tee-Vee', it's TiVo!

I always ask, "what's on TiVo?"
or say, "I've got it on TiVo" etc....

But to say it and not actually have a TiVo is blasphemy! :D

Originally posted by CPanther95
Me too, 150 Million dollars and instead of getting a real Hummer he buys a crappy GM knock-off. HA HA.
Yes, but it's still a pricey 'status-symbol'...

and no... I'm, not trying to boost my post count... :p

Hey, JayDog_2, I was wondering how long it was going to take you to get caught up! You may have been temporarily dethroned in the post count!!
:D :D

Definitely... keenan is current leader... CP95 is catching up too... ;)

I gotta have at least one YAMM to my name... :D

Even as a Mod, I'm not sure how you guys are checking post counts within the thread - of course, I never really had a need to find out that info.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Even as a Mod, I'm not sure how you guys are checking post counts within the thread - of course, I never really had a need to find out that info.

On the main page where you can see this thread click on the "NUMBER" of "REPLIES", currently at 4583 total replies.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Even as a Mod, I'm not sure how you guys are checking post counts within the thread - of course, I never really had a need to find out that info.
LOL... learn something new everyday... even if it all comes down to YAMMs.. :D

Did anyone think that Locke already knew that it was Claire's birthday? He went looking for her to help him build a crib for the baby. It maybe a coincidence that it happened to be on her birthday. Toward the end, she tells him it is her birthday (saying it like no one on the island knows). Then Locke flips over the crib, holds it up, and says "Happy Birthday Claire" with that knowing smile he uses a lot.

Might not be important, but it adds to the instances where Locke seems to know what others are thinking.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
YAMMs..

http://www.emotipad.com/newemoticons/Hum.gif

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
OT: You can Xerox something or photocopy it.

If I TiVo something without a TiVo brand DVR, did I DVR it? Saying I digitally recorded it to a hard drive doesn't exactly roll off the tongue like I TiVo'd it does. I DVRed it doesn't exactly sound as cool, either.

Hey...if ya got a Tivo then you can say I Tivo'd it...but...
If ya got a plain old DVR (like I do) I suggest ya might say I Devo'd it...:D

We are not men...we are Devo.....

Originally posted by keenan
http://www.emotipad.com/newemoticons/Hum.gif
Yet Another Meaningless Milestone

Sorry, but I've picked up some new acronyms from 'Happy Hour' at the TiVo Community.... ;)

Originally posted by maxman
OK, OK, I see I'm outnumbered on this one! So I guess there are just two of us who thought the window guy was over the top. There was enough physical comic relief in this episode and all of it was funnier.

Now what would have been funny is a window cleaner's rig breaking a few floors up, dropping his equipment past their window followed by (here's the punchline) the terrified window cleaner himself hanging onto a rope. Imagine the poor guy tapping on the window to get their attention while Hurley's accountant was telling him how rich he was becoming. :D

Originally posted by Tusk
Did anyone think that Locke already knew that it was Claire's birthday? He went looking for her to help him build a crib for the baby. It maybe a coincidence that it happened to be on her birthday. Toward the end, she tells him it is her birthday (saying it like no one on the island knows). Then Locke flips over the crib, holds it up, and says "Happy Birthday Claire" with that knowing smile he uses a lot.

Might not be important, but it adds to the instances where Locke seems to know what others are thinking.
I dunno... I guess you could look at it either way...

Locke knows Claire is about to pop... she obviously is going to need something to help with the baby... he figures he can surprise her by building a crib (with her help), and learning it's her birthday only makes it more perfect for him to present her with the gift...

My first thought was that she actually knew what day it was! I guess someone is keeping a calender somewhere... after about a month or so, if you're not keeping track then it's easy to lose track (especially when you've blacked out a big chunk of it!)

Originally posted by scowl
So I guess there are just two of us who thought the window guy was over the top. There was enough physical comic relief in this episode and all of it was funnier.

Now what would have been funny is a window cleaner's rig breaking a few floors up, dropping his equipment past their window followed by (here's the punchline) the terrified window cleaner himself hanging onto a rope. Imagine the poor guy tapping on the window to get their attention while Hurley's accountant was telling him how rich he was becoming. :D

Actually something like this happened in LA yesterday. Two window cleaners were hanging from their scaffolding quite a few stories up. I don't know the outcome, but whatever happened was probably shown on the news in full gory detail. There were several news helicoptors covering the action.

Originally posted by CPanther95
"Tivo" is as accepted as a generic term, just like Kleenex and Band-Aid. People often say they Tivo'd something when in actuality they used some more primitive form of recording device. :)

Yes but that doesn't make it right. I've made it a point to start using generic words for all of these brands. (i.e. copy, soda, etc)


Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
If I TiVo something without a TiVo brand DVR, did I DVR it? Saying I digitally recorded it to a hard drive doesn't exactly roll off the tongue like I TiVo'd it does. I DVRed it doesn't exactly sound as cool, either.[/B]

No, you can say I 'recorded' it. Sure that could be mistaken by less technical people as with a VCR, but what do you care?

I use a replay for SD stuff but I don't say I 'Replayed' it. I say I recorded it, or have it recorded. This goes fro HD stuff I record with my PC as well


FWIW I also thought the guy falling off the building was a little much. But they had to make the point obvious for those folks who don't pay much attention to details.

And I also considered maybe Locke knew it was claires birthday ... but I agree it's more impressive *she* knew.

correction ... I still say band-aid .... adhesive strips just sounds dumb. But I actually do mean band-aid when I say band-aid ... that's what I use.

So do you say "IBM-compatible" instead of "PC?" After all there are a lot more "Personal Computers" than IBM-compatibles. ;)

Xesdeeni

Originally posted by CPanther95
Me too, 150 Million dollars and instead of getting a real Hummer he buys a crappy GM knock-off. HA HA. Don't forget, even the regular units are "GM Knockoffs" now that they own the company - just like Jags are now (I believe) Ford products. Most of the good 'ole high-income vehicles have been bought up by US automakers.

As far as an H2 vs. and H1 - the H2 fits into almost any garage. The H1 would lose its mirrors on many doorframes. In addition, in an effort to cram more spaces into strip malls, parking spaces have shrunken to the size of postage stamps (while popular vehicles are getting larger). My full-size is about a foot longer than many parking spaces and nearly as wide. I can't imagine adding an extra 10 inches to the width. As it is, I have far enough to reach the glove compartment. Also, I would imagine the H2 offers are tamer ride than the H1. Its off-road capabilities certainly don't compare.

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
So do you say "IBM-compatible" instead of "PC?" After all there are a lot more "Personal Computers" than IBM-compatibles. ;)

Xesdeeni

no ... i say 'computer' or 'pc' when I'm talking about general computers ... or when I'm talking about something on a computer that doesn't matter what kind it is.

when i'm talking abot the 'ibm-compatibles' i usually say 'x86 based' ... that's really a better way to describe it considering it refers to the architecture.

With macs I just say "macs", or "overpowered PCs for morons" ... because there's not much to be confused there.

(now before I get flamed now let me say I think macs are good machines. very powerful, great software. I just don't think most of it's users have any clue (kinda like a 16 year old blonde with a BMW M3), yet they think they can act like they're better than everyone else.)

But the H2 is cooler in yellow with huge rims and a bumpin' sound system than a "real McCoy" big green military vehicle...

Like I said... a status symbol...

Plus, I wonder who died when Hurley bought his H2... :D

Originally posted by jackshakes
...With macs I just say "macs", or "overpowered PCs for morons" ... because there's not much to be confused there.

(now before I get flamed now let me say I think macs are good machines. very powerful, great software. I just don't think most of it's users have any clue (kinda like a 16 year old blonde with a BMW M3), yet they think they can act like they're better than everyone else.)

Right on! Those mac owners who think they're better than everyone else because of their computer choice. Not at all like those uppity people who use more rarely used generic terms instead of the more popular terms for items who think they're better than everyone else.

;)

Originally posted by jackshakes
With macs I just say "macs", or "overpowered PCs for morons" ... because there's not much to be confused there.

(now before I get flamed now let me say I think macs are good machines. very powerful, great software. I just don't think most of it's users have any clue (kinda like a 16 year old blonde with a BMW M3), yet they think they can act like they're better than everyone else.)

--> Overpowered, and overpriced, PCs for morons...

And I agree with your explanation as well. It seems like people buy Macs because they are cool because "everyone has a (Windows) PC" and they want to be cool by being "different" from the mainstream. They're overpriced because Mac is the only company making them (they can charge whatever they want, and they do!), and that's why they're more stable than Windows-based machines (Mac only has to code/test for a few different hw configs, not 100s of possible components and configurations).

Back to on-topic discussion...

I like the idea about the window washer, but I think the point was that Hurley saw it, it was a more serious incident than just a window washer hanging there, and I think the main point was that Hurley saw it, the accountant didn't, and therefore it lends to the argument that it's all in Hurely's imagination (no curse) because the guy didn't see it.

I still think they're going to connect "lost" and "alias" later on-
Rambaldi is going to be inside the hatch (he lived in the 15th century). Sydney (there's the Australian connection) will show up w/Nadia eventually and didn't Francie work in a box factory before trying to open her restaurant? :)

Originally posted by cyberbri

I like the idea about the window washer, but I think the point was that Hurley saw it, it was a more serious incident than just a window washer hanging there, and I think the main point was that Hurley saw it, the accountant didn't, and therefore it lends to the argument that it's all in Hurely's imagination (no curse) because the guy didn't see it.

I thought it looked like the guy had a white shirt and tie on... suggesting he was an office employee ... I'll have to check when I get home (where I have it RECORDED).

Yeah, I freeze-framed that fall, and it was a white shirt and tan/dark pants (didn't notice a tie - too blurry) with brown(?) hair.

Originally posted by cyberbri
[BI like the idea about the window washer, but I think the point was that Hurley saw it, it was a more serious incident than just a window washer hanging there, and I think the main point was that Hurley saw it, the accountant didn't, and therefore it lends to the argument that it's all in Hurely's imagination (no curse) because the guy didn't see it. [/B]

Except when he goes out and sees the body on the pavement. :p

Like his mother breaking her leg and his/her new house burning, this unfortunate stuff was actually happening to Hurley (or, more precisely, to the folks around him).

Originally posted by jackshakes
I thought it looked like the guy had a white shirt and tie on... suggesting he was an office employee ... I'll have to check when I get home (where I have it RECORDED).

For the benefit of all those who recorded it and have no access to Tivo - I'll save you the cumbersome hassle of a non-Tivo playback. ;)

Typical office worker attire - shirt & tie, full head of hair, girly scream.

Definitely dead, either suicide or fall from the roof.

Just another result of Hurley's curse.

Funny.

My theory is that Hurley was in the psych ward for bulimia, which is how he got his nickname. Obviously they did a good job of curing him.

Did the Aussie guy, Sam, win the bean guessing game with a count of 4,815,162,342? That's a lot of beans.

Originally posted by Andrew_J_M
My theory is that Hurley was in the psych ward for bulimia, which is how he got his nickname. Obviously they did a good job of curing him.
.... That sounds reasonable since his mother does say something like 'you're putting on weight again'.

YMMV

Originally posted by rockytt
I still think they're going to connect "lost" and "alias" later on-
Rambaldi is going to be inside the hatch (he lived in the 15th century). Sydney (there's the Australian connection) will show up w/Nadia eventually and didn't Francie work in a box factory before trying to open her restaurant? :)

They already had Charlie's band's song play on Alias.

The way the Alias team flits around all over the world, effortlessly finding the monst minute artifacts/weapons/vials/info and the rest, it should be cake for them to find the Lost island.

Originally posted by jackshakes
Yes but that doesn't make it right. I've made it a point to start using generic words for all of these brands. (i.e. copy, soda, etc)

No, you can say I 'recorded' it. Sure that could be mistaken by less technical people as with a VCR, but what do you care?

I use a replay for SD stuff but I don't say I 'Replayed' it. I say I recorded it, or have it recorded. This goes fro HD stuff I record with my PC as well


Huh? What's not right about it? No one's stealing or infringing on a trade name. Tivo is part of the vernacular now, like Band Aid. I know lots of people who have cable dvr's who say they "tivo'd it." It would sound idiotic any other way.

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Originally posted by Andrew_J_M
My theory is that Hurley was in the psych ward for bulimia, which is how he got his nickname. Obviously they did a good job of curing him. They cured half of the problem ;)

dudes, this is a true story, I played these magical 6 numbers in the NJ pick6 lotto yesterday, only one of the numbers came out (#8), so I won nothing. But I got a call from my wife this morning, the moment I walked into my office, saying that the pulled something in her back. Had to have the local EMT's take her to the hospital where we were in the ER for 5 hrs. Turned out she hurt it just by lifting a bad of old clothes. Damn you Lost! Those #'s truly are cursed, my wife yelled at me for playing them yesterday.

As for the guy who fell from the building while Hurley was with his accountant/financial adviser, I'd say there's a 99.999% chance that someone else on the island knew the guy. I doubt it was Locke's boss, because when the guy notified Hurley that he now owned/had stock in a box company, you'd think he would have added the box company was in that same very building. More likely is that the guy who fell was either Kate's father/husband/love, the one who she remembered when she found the small plane in the deposit box.

Originally posted by NorthJersey
I doubt it was Locke's boss, because when the guy notified Hurley that he now owned/had stock in a box company, you'd think he would have added the box company was in that same very building.
In fact he said the box company is in Tustin. The big buildings made it look like they were in downtown L.A.

Originally posted by Andrew_J_M
My theory is that Hurley was in the psych ward for bulimia, which is how he got his nickname. Obviously they did a good job of curing him.

Did the Aussie guy, Sam, win the bean guessing game with a count of 4,815,162,342? That's a lot of beans.

Yeah, that seems totally impossible. If my math is right (please be nice and correct it if it is wrong, it's been awhile) almost 5 billion beans would take up about 6500 cubic yards!! How the heck would you move this from fair to fair?

Average bean size .5" x .5" x .25" = .0625 cubic inches.

.0625 cubic inches * 4,815,162,342 beans = 300,947,646 cubic inches.

300,947,646 cubic inches / (12 * 12 *12) = 174,159 cubic feet.

174,159 cubic feet / (3 *3 *3) = 6450 cubic yards.

You would need 118 of thes to move that many beans!!!!

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(Yes I have too much time on my hands!) :D

Different jars, with different amounts of beans in each that correspond to the 'numbers'...

Originally posted by NorthJersey

As for the guy who fell from the building while Hurley was with his accountant/financial adviser, I'd say there's a 99.999% chance that someone else on the island knew the guy. I doubt it was Locke's boss, because when the guy notified Hurley that he now owned/had stock in a box company, you'd think he would have added the box company was in that same very building. More likely is that the guy who fell was either Kate's father/husband/love, the one who she remembered when she found the small plane in the deposit box.
Maybe Kate pushed him out the window/off the roof!!

Originally posted by NorthJersey
As for the guy who fell from the building while Hurley was with his accountant/financial adviser, I'd say there's a 99.999% chance that someone else on the island knew the guy. I doubt it was Locke's boss, because when the guy notified Hurley that he now owned/had stock in a box company, you'd think he would have added the box company was in that same very building. More likely is that the guy who fell was either Kate's father/husband/love, the one who she remembered when she found the small plane in the deposit box.

Since the scene in the accountant's office seemed to be right before he went to Australia, and Kate was in Australia at the time being hunted down (and the "person she loved" presumably dying before that), I'd say the person falling off the building was unrelated, at least to Kate.

In past episodes, when they show other people from the island, it's been pretty obvious (Hurley on the TV, Sawyer being hauled through the police station, etc.). You couldn't even make out the face of the person that fell.

http://www.dec.estt.ipt.pt/trabalhos/20021111/7%20-%20Movimenta%E7%E3o%20de%20Terras_ficheiros/image003.jpg

Wasn't that the H2 Hurley was driving? ;)

Originally posted by cyberbri
Different jars, with different amounts of beans in each that correspond to the 'numbers'...

It's only been two days and people are already arguing over what the proper terms for TiVo, Coke, Xerox, band-aid, etc. If a deaf man eats beans and farts in the forest, but no one is around to hear it, does it really make a sound? Mac Vs PC debates? Next thing you know we'll be arguing about the Middle East again (really happened, earlier in the thread) :-)


What's this place going to be like in 6 weeks? We'll be like the TV news anchors from that Saturday Night Live sketch after the teleprompter went out. :-)

Originally posted by NorthJersey
dudes, this is a true story, I played these magical 6 numbers in the NJ pick6 lotto yesterday, only one of the numbers came out (#8), so I won nothing. But I got a call from my wife this morning, the moment I walked into my office, saying that the pulled something in her back. Had to have the local EMT's take her to the hospital where we were in the ER for 5 hrs. Turned out she hurt it just by lifting a bad of old clothes. Damn you Lost! Those #'s truly are cursed, my wife yelled at me for playing them yesterday.


You USED the NUMBERS?!? You must get away from them! You've opened the box! ;)

Nah, but seriously, sorry to hear wife, that sucks. Hopefully, cause only one number worked, you'll only get a little bad luck. Thats a crazy story.

Originally posted by labmansid
Speaking of looks, I think that look Hurley gave his cell phone right after dialing 911 as the police show up was priceless! It's as though he was thinking "Damn, that was fast!" :) The look was priceless :)
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Originally posted by Innova
Yeah, that seems totally impossible. If my math is right (please be nice and correct it if it is wrong, it's been awhile) almost 5 billion beans would take up about 6500 cubic yards!! How the heck would you move this from fair to fair?

Average bean size .5" x .5" x .25" = .0625 cubic inches.

.0625 cubic inches * 4,815,162,342 beans = 300,947,646 cubic inches.

300,947,646 cubic inches / (12 * 12 *12) = 174,159 cubic feet.

174,159 cubic feet / (3 *3 *3) = 6450 cubic yards.



I tried that yesterday on another forum...here was my attempt. I guess it depends on the type of bean:
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Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but my gut reaction is there is no way to count or document nearly 5 billion beans. And how much space would that take?

How much volume does a bean occupy when pooled with other beans? I'll guess a half a cubic centimeter...I have no idea...

So that many beans of that volume would occupy around 3,200 cubic yards. Or put another way, a cube shaped container 45 feet on all sides.

Originally posted by Iteki
If a deaf man eats beans and farts in the forest, but no one is around to hear it, does it really make a sound?

Unless he is in a vacuum, yes it will make a sound, it's physics..:)


Mac Vs PC debates?


No debate. For graphic intensive use, Mac, for everything else, PCs.


What's this place going to be like in 6 weeks?

We'll probably be doing what Charlie is doing here.. :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/360x140_galpromo_ep105.jpg

Originally posted by jackshakes
I thought it looked like the guy had a white shirt and tie on... suggesting he was an office employee ... I'll have to check when I get home (where I have it RECORDED). The Fall Guy...
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Originally posted by hefe
I tried that yesterday on another forum...here was my attempt. I guess it depends on the type of bean:
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Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but my gut reaction is there is no way to count or document nearly 5 billion beans. And how much space would that take?

How much volume does a bean occupy when pooled with other beans? I'll guess a half a cubic centimeter...I have no idea...

So that many beans of that volume would occupy around 3,200 cubic yards. Or put another way, a cube shaped container 45 feet on all sides.


Doods, hold on.
I commented on this once, but here goes again.

Did she really say there was ONE JAR with that many beans? I thought there were different jars with different amounts of beans (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42), and Sam was the first one to get all the jars right...

Originally posted by cyberbri
Doods, hold on.
I commented on this once, but here goes again.

Did she really say there was ONE JAR with that many beans? I thought there were different jars with different amounts of beans (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42), and Sam was the first one to get all the jars right...
She said there was a giant jar "as big as a pony."

Originally posted by cyberbri
Since the scene in the accountant's office seemed to be right before he went to Australia, and Kate was in Australia at the time being hunted down (and the "person she loved" presumably dying before that), I'd say the person falling off the building was unrelated, at least to Kate.

In past episodes, when they show other people from the island, it's been pretty obvious (Hurley on the TV, Sawyer being hauled through the police station, etc.). You couldn't even make out the face of the person that fell.

You know, not everything has to be related....to me it was obvious that the guy fell just to further prove that bad stuff happens to people around Hurley. What about the eight people who died in the fire at the shoe factory? Do you think they were all related to somebody on the island? What about the cop who falsely arrested him? I bet he was Kate's brother's best friend's former roommate. Not trying to be sarcastic, but don't you think if too much stuff is related it really becomes stupid??

Originally posted by cyberbri
Doods, hold on.
I commented on this once, but here goes again.

Did she really say there was ONE JAR with that many beans? I thought there were different jars with different amounts of beans (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42), and Sam was the first one to get all the jars right...

I don't think she said, but it must have been somewhere in between. If there were 6 jars, then it would have been VERY easy to win the contest (especially because you only had to be within 10 to win). As was pointed out above, there couldn't have been 1 jar, because that is an insane amount of beans. It must have been two jars: 1,815 beans in the first, and 162,342 in the second. Or maybe 48,151 and 62,342 (this is probably the most likely). Using the .0625 cubic inches per bean (probably high) then you would have a 2.25 cu ft jar for the 62,342 beans.

Originally posted by Unoriginal Nick
She said there was a giant jar "as big as a pony."

If that is the case then the writers made a mistake.
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They would have to be VERY small beans.
There is no way someone could count almost 5 billion beans (maybe a machine?)
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I'll forgive them, this show rocks :)

Nick (how unoriginal!! ;) ),

I didn't catch that, thank you.


danc8379,

That's what I was thinking. In a previous post, I said:
I think the main point was that Hurley saw it, the accountant didn't, and therefore it lends to the argument [other people tell him] that it's all in Hurely's imagination (no curse), because the guy didn't see it.

From the synopsis on the ABC site and may clear up some things being discussed here:
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/18.html

And his accountant is just about to explain how crazy that sounds when someone from a higher floor jumps to their death and passes right by the window.

A doctor arrives and recognizes Hurley, agreeing to let him see Leonard. It's not clear how Hurley knows this man, or the doctor for that matter, but we arrive in a recreation room to find Leonard playing a game of Connect Four and mumbling over and over.

Hurley tells him that he thinks the numbers did something to him after he used them to win the Lottery. Leonard stops on a dime. Even he can't believe what he has just heard. "You've opened the box," he says, "It won't stop. You've got to get away from them or it won't stop!" When Hurley asks Leonard where he got the numbers, he tells him that someone named, "Sam Toomey" heard them when they were working one year in Kalgoorlie…Australia.


...But it doesn't say anything about the beans, just:
Years later, Sam used the numbers to win a contest at a local fair. He won a large sum of money…


And about being crazy (not necessarily a patient at the mental hospital):
And Hurley is redeemed. He is so overwhelmingly relieved to finally have someone agree with him that he can't help himself. He throws himself at Rousseau and smothers him in a genuine embrace of sincere appreciation. He isn't crazy. He really isn't.

The picture:
Back at her habitat, Jack and Sayid are trying to salvage what little they can from the wreckage. And that's when Sayid discovers the tattered remains of his photo -- Nadia's face still clear, her eyes looking right through him.

Originally posted by Andrew_J_M
My theory is that Hurley was in the psych ward for bulimia, which is how he got his nickname. Obviously they did a good job of curing him.
I know Hurley mentioned in an earlier episode that he got his nickname in college... hard to say if it was food related or otherwise... (drinking binges leading to .. hurling...)
In another episode Hurley reacted to something he was eating that made him hurl... think it was the sea erchin that Jin gave him.... so who knows...

But given his 'size' I would say he wasn't hurling his food as a Bulemic would...

Originally posted by cyberbri
Different jars, with different amounts of beans in each that correspond to the 'numbers'...

Can't believe it took 40 years for somebody to correctly guess the jar that had 4 beans in it. :)

Originally posted by Innova
Average bean size .5" x .5" x .25" = .0625 cubic inches.

.0625 cubic inches * 4,815,162,342 beans = 300,947,646 cubic inches.

300,947,646 cubic inches / (12 * 12 *12) = 174,159 cubic feet.

174,159 cubic feet / (3 *3 *3) = 6450 cubic yards.
That's one big ass bean!!! ;)

Realistically, yes, it depends on the bean...
A typical, dry bean (like the pinto) would be much smaller than you're accounting for...

Regardless, it's a lot of beans, and I'd hate to have to count almost 5 billion of them... ;)

Originally posted by CPanther95
Can't believe it took 40 years for somebody to correctly guess the jar that had 4 beans in it. :)

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keenan, you've got a smilie for every occasion, don't you... ;)

I try...http://www.emotipad.com/newemoticons/Whistle.gif

Originally posted by JayDog_2
I know Hurley mentioned in an earlier episode that he got his nickname in college... hard to say if it was food related or otherwise... (drinking binges leading to .. hurling...)

There is no evidence that Hurley went to college. In fact, judging by his employment at a fast food fried chicken place, and assumed time in an institution, it seems unlikely.

The comment you referred to is from the episode, "Raised by Another"

HURLEY: (interrupts) We don't know who's living here, and who's still at the beach. I mean, we don't even know each other. My name isn't Hurley. It's Hugo Reyes. Hurley's just a nickname I have, all right? Why? I'm not telling. The point is, we got to find out who everyone is.

What was a man worth $150 million doing on a commercial flight. Was he in first class? How did he put up with those leftover coach meals they found after the crash?

for someone who likes a bucket of chicken, I don't think $$$ is going to make him a snob when it comes to food...

Money does not a man make.

Even if it was the factory that was over-insured, he still would only get the assessed value from the insurance.
Not if there are magic numbers at work...

Originally posted by danc8379
You know, not everything has to be related....to me it was obvious that the guy fell just to further prove that bad stuff happens to people around Hurley. What about the eight people who died in the fire at the shoe factory? Do you think they were all related to somebody on the island? What about the cop who falsely arrested him? I bet he was Kate's brother's best friend's former roommate. Not trying to be sarcastic, but don't you think if too much stuff is related it really becomes stupid??


The related item in this episode (JJ has commented that there will be crossovers in every backstory) was the Tustin box company that Locke worked at...

Originally posted by wco81
What was a man worth $150 million doing on a commercial flight. Was he in first class? How did he put up with those leftover coach meals they found after the crash?

Good points that make me think Hurley was probably in Coach so he could plop into two seats with the armrest up. Never been in 1st class so I don't know if those seats/armrests can do that. He probably wishes he could have some of those coach meals about now. What's he subsisting on, guava? Someone said recently they hadn't eatten boar for awhile.

I had to hold my nose when Hurley hugged Rousseau. Got to have been worse than sitting behind an NBA team bench:eek: .

Originally posted by Iteki
What's this place going to be like in 6 weeks? It will turn into the usual 720p vs. 1080i bloodbath. What else do we argue about around here? :confused:

I think we should spend the time petitioning the writers to get Adriana Lima on the show..:p

I was thinking about the Locke vs. his boss backstory. While I don't think Locke would have killed his boss, it is possible that his boss could have been the one passing by the window.

The box company is in Tustin, but Locke is a regional collections supervisor, which means that this is a fairly large box company. Many large companies have offsite offices and it is quite conceivable that the box company's office is upstairs from Hurley's accountant and that the box making plant is in Tustin.

Still, I don't see Locke as a bad guy.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter

Still, I don't see Locke as a bad guy.

Locke is one of my favorite characters but I'm still trying to figure out whether he is a good guy or a bad guy. It seems like he splits his time between the two. For example, he seemed to be working walt against his dad but then makes his dad the hero by finding the dog.

Originally posted by No Clue
Locke is one of my favorite characters but I'm still trying to figure out whether he is a good guy or a bad guy. It seems like he splits his time between the two. For example, he seemed to be working walt against his dad but then makes his dad the hero by finding the dog.

It certainly is a tough call. So far he is a good guy, and he certainly views himself as a good guy. He has already commented on the taking of "sides" when he counciled Boone that it would be wise not to fight with Sayid because they "need him on their side." But at some point, Locke's interests may run contrary to the rest of the group. Remember, like Walt, he likes it there.

Here's a site showing bean sizes. I can tell you from my cooking experience that dried navy are pretty tiny, followed up by Black and Blackeye.

http://www.americanbean.org/BeanVarieties/Home.htm

So, stop it with this bean debate. It probably was a very BIG jar. ;)

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Cooking Question Guru... wait, aren't I on the AVS Forum?...

Originally posted by wco81
What was a man worth $150 million doing on a commercial flight. Was he in first class? How did he put up with those leftover coach meals they found after the crash?

Well, in a past episode (the pilot I think), Shannon said to Boone that the security guard (or maybe a flight attendant) wouldn't let them into first class, even though they were supposed to be sitting there - so thanks to him they were in the section of the plane that made it through the crash.

Maybe the same thing happened to Hurley as well, although this may be a plot hole that doesn't get filled.

Originally posted by cyberbri
Doods, hold on.
I commented on this once, but here goes again.

Did she really say there was ONE JAR with that many beans? I thought there were different jars with different amounts of beans (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42), and Sam was the first one to get all the jars right...

Not to pick on this post specifically, there are plenty of others, but I am surprised at how many people remember details that never happened in various scenes and past episodes. Admittedly, I have the luxury of going back to check what I don't remember on the TiVo, er...I mean D.V.R. ;) but anyway, here's the exact scene:


Mrs. Toomey: A couple days later, we're at the fair in Kalgoorlie, and some Wally there's got this jar. Must have been big as a pony. And it's filled to the rim with beans. Filly's offering 50 grand to anyone able to guess how many beans are in that jar, within 10.

Hurley: Sam used the numbers.

Mrs. Toomey: Yep. The answer was exact, to the bean. Man had been running the scam for 40 years. Nobody'd ever come close. So we won the money.

Originally posted by hefe
Mrs. Toomey: Yep. The answer was exact, to the bean. Man had been running the scam for 40 years. Nobody'd ever come close. So we won the money.

Doesn't sound like a scam to me, they got the money. With 4.8 Billion beans, he could have easily said they were off by a couple million or so if it was a scam - It's not like you'd count them to make sure he wasn't lying.

I'm thinking it was a scam because that's how many they said was in there, but wasn't. They documented an unreasonable number so nobody would ever get it. When somebody did, they had to give them the money. Maybe it was written in an envelope or something...

But if they showed the correct amount everytime somebody guessed, don't you think someone would have been able to remember the number and relay it to a friend to make his own guess - sometime in the past 40 years?

C'mon guys lay off the 4 billion beans thing! It's ridiculous. You can't get 4 billion beans from anywhere, you can't count 4 billion beans, and you can't hold 4 billion beans in a container.

Originally posted by CPanther95
But if they showed the correct amount everytime somebody guessed, don't you think someone would have been able to remember the number and relay it to a friend to make his own guess - sometime in the past 40 years?

I know that's a flaw, but I'm determined to make that theory work! It's more reasonable than 4.8 billion beans in a jar!

what is with you guys using the word 'tivo' to represent any form of recording tv? I figured my passive agressive comments on the matter might ring home that some of us *do* record the shows but *don't* use a Tivo.

Tivo.....Kleenex.....

jake14mw:

"Dry edible bean production in the United States increased from 0.8 million tonnes in 1970 to 1.5 million tonnes in 1990"

The average 1lb. bag of unground coffee averages 3423 coffee beans.

That's almost 7 Million beans per ton. So they would have needed only about 700 tons of beans. A mere fraction of the beans available.

Therefore I take exception to your assertion that "You can't get 4 Billion beans from anywhere"

Originally posted by NetworkTV
Don't forget, even the regular units are "GM Knockoffs" now that they own the company - just like Jags are now (I believe) Ford products. Most of the good 'ole high-income vehicles have been bought up by US automakers.

As far as an H2 vs. and H1 - the H2 fits into almost any garage. The H1 would lose its mirrors on many doorframes. In addition, in an effort to cram more spaces into strip malls, parking spaces have shrunken to the size of postage stamps (while popular vehicles are getting larger). My full-size is about a foot longer than many parking spaces and nearly as wide. I can't imagine adding an extra 10 inches to the width. As it is, I have far enough to reach the glove compartment. Also, I would imagine the H2 offers are tamer ride than the H1. Its off-road capabilities certainly don't compare.

I've seen a few episodes of "MTV Cribs", and while H2's are prevalent (many unbelievably customized to the max - I know there's another word I'm not thinking of this close to midnight [tricked-out?]), I can't remember seeing any H1's on the show. The H2 seems to be the Hummer of choice for the rich and famous (or at least the newly rich and famous).

just because he used the numbers doesn't mean he used all of them or even if he did, he may have added some together and then multiplied them, like 42 * (23+16) * (15+8+4) = 42*39*27=44226. There are lots of ways you could use the numbers.
4815 + 162342 would be a good try.

...when i'm talking abot the 'ibm-compatibles' i usually say 'x86 based' ... that's really a better way to describe it considering it refers to the architecture...

...You actually say "x86 based"?!?!? Really???

Originally posted by CPanther95
jake14mw:

"Dry edible bean production in the United States increased from 0.8 million tonnes in 1970 to 1.5 million tonnes in 1990"

The average 1lb. bag of unground coffee averages 3423 coffee beans.

That's almost 7 Million beans per ton. So they would have needed only about 700 tons of beans. A mere fraction of the beans available.

Therefore I take exception to your assertion that "You can't get 4 Billion beans from anywhere"

The U.S. Almond crop is around 1 billion pounds the last couple of years and probably this next year as well. The average size of the almonds is probably around a 27/30, which would put about 28.5 almonds to the ounce or 456 almonds to the pound, making the US Almond crop about 456 billion almonds.

In 2003, we purchased between 550 and 600 million walnuts and we are slightly less than 2% of the US walnut market.

Beans are so much cheaper and more plentiful than nuts. (Almonds are over $3.50/lb for truckload quantities right now, while beans are not anywhere near those levels.)

Still, I doubt that there were 4 billion beans at the fair.

Who says the number of beans has to equal to the successive digits in the numbers revealed, i.e. billions? She only said he used the numbers to guess the number of beans in the pony-sized thingy. It's how he put them together. So we need to figure the permutations and combinations of the numbers revealed to guess how he won the prize. Duantless to say the least! What a waste of energy to try to calculate how many beans were guessed. I can't see how this furthers the pursuit of what the significance of the numbers really is. They were inscribed on the side of the hatch. We need to find out why and by whom and how they were broadcast in the transmissions.

Unless he is in a vacuum, yes it will make a sound, it's physics..:)

Yeah, physics like Ex-Lax and Feen-a-mint!

Originally posted by maxman
Yeah, physics like Ex-Lax and Feen-a-mint!

Ah ha! So that's your medication1:D

I was thinking about the Locke vs. his boss backstory. While I don't think Locke would have killed his boss, it is possible that his boss could have been the one passing by the window.

The box company is in Tustin, but Locke is a regional collections supervisor, which means that this is a fairly large box company. Many large companies have offsite offices and it is quite conceivable that the box company's office is upstairs from Hurley's accountant and that the box making plant is in Tustin.

I though about that too (Locke throwing his boss out the window above) but it's stretching coincidence to have Locke and his boss in the same building, me thinks. But not impossible I guess.

Beans are...more plentiful than nuts...

Not on this thread!

Originally posted by ridgefamus
Ah ha! So that's your medication1:D

Some medication advice: don't take Viagra with prune juice; you won't know if you're coming or going.

Hummer H1: $139,771
Hummer H2: $53,280

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
In 2003, we purchased between 550 and 600 million walnuts and we are slightly less than 2% of the US walnut market.



You work for Cal Almond? :p I used to work for a trucking company that hauled all kinds of nuts out of the Fresno area...

No, I don't work for Cal Almond. Try Poindexter Nut Company. We are a walnut processor, although we package and distribute all sorts of nuts, including almonds.

Holy crap - I thought you were joking. I didn't realize the "nut sales" in your profile was literal. ;)

Poindexter Nut Company grows and distributes edible nuts for use as snack food or as additions to other dishes.

Don't recall hauling anything for your company, I do remember the Fresno area seemed to be the nut capital of the country though, we also trucked 'air" among other things, from Sealed Air out there in Biola..:)

Originally posted by CPanther95
Holy crap - I thought you were joking. I didn't realize the "nut sales" in your profile was literal. ;)

Oh yeah...it's beeeg business in that part of California...

2 things I was *hoping* would be touched on before the episode ended were:

-The mysterious "rope/cable" from the beach just *ended* in the ground right before the rope bridge---no further bewilderment was attached to it by the 4 explorers who quickly moved on to crossing the bridge.

-The radio tower---since NO ONE on this island seems to share their knowledge with their brethern on most things they *discover*, I wonder if Hurley will tell anyone that there is a radio tower ON the island.... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by maxman
...You actually say "x86 based"?!?!? Really???

yes when I'm talking about something referring to the architecture that could apply to any OS that can run on it (Windows, *nix, etc)

if I'm talking about something relating to an x86 system running windows I say "Windows box" .... and so on.

Is that so weird? Being accurate and all?

Let's stay on topic.

Any more bean calculations. ;)

I'm already running out of ideas. This is going to be a long and boring few weeks.

The least they could do is leak a few more rumors to keep us busy.

- Tom

Possible MAJOR SPOILER for Lost and/or Alias ahead

Spoiler Riddle of the Week: One of the following storylines is true; the other is bogus.

Is it (1) Lost's Locke is responsible for the death of a main character or (2) Alias' Irina Derevko is Vaughn's real mother?

Get the answer in our next chat, this Monday at 5 p.m. ET/2 p.m. PT.

Source: EOnline

Originally posted by jackshakes
yes when I'm talking about something referring to the architecture that could apply to any OS that can run on it (Windows, *nix, etc)

if I'm talking about something relating to an x86 system running windows I say "Windows box" .... and so on.

Is that so weird? Being accurate and all?

It's not weird if you work with Linux/Unix where different flavors can be run on different platforms. You refer to the chip architecture. But in every day use it would be a tad odd. Noone in the general public would know what you were talking about.

Originally posted by Iteki
It's not weird if you work with Linux/Unix where different flavors can be run on different platforms. You refer to the chip architecture. But in every day use it would be a tad odd. Noone in the general public would know what you were talking about.

Yeah, it can get pretty RISCy.. :p

Originally posted by jaypb
2 things I was *hoping* would be touched on before the episode ended were:

-The mysterious "rope/cable" from the beach just *ended* in the ground right before the rope bridge---no further bewilderment was attached to it by the 4 explorers who quickly moved on to crossing the bridge.

-The radio tower---since NO ONE on this island seems to share their knowledge with their brethern on most things they *discover*, I wonder if Hurley will tell anyone that there is a radio tower ON the island.... :rolleyes:

The cable goes into the ground right next to Rousseau's old base that she abandoned. It wasn't next to the rope bridge. It appears as though that is how she got her power.

The people from the crash know there is a radio tower. Sayid tried to find it with the help of Kate and Sawyer, but what good will it do? Rousseau had a distress call playing on it for 16 years and nobody answered it, so what are the odds that changing it to an English (or Korean) distress signal will make any difference? It appears as though they are enough off the beaten path that there isn't anybody in the neighborhood to hear a call for help.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
The cable goes into the ground right next to Rousseau's old base that she abandoned. It wasn't next to the rope bridge. It appears as though that is how she got her power.

The people from the crash know there is a radio tower. Sayid tried to find it with the help of Kate and Sawyer, but what good will it do? Rousseau had a distress call playing on it for 16 years and nobody answered it, so what are the odds that changing it to an English (or Korean) distress signal will make any difference? It appears as though they are enough off the beaten path that there isn't anybody in the neighborhood to hear a call for help.

Heh...I would have used that lagoon with the cutest girl on the island about 50 times by now, but Kate and Sawyer dont seem to have told anybody about that nice lil getaway.

How big is this freaking island? I mean, you would have to house a rather large beach, a seemingly endless forest, the "others," a radio tower with a (large?) black rock, a REALLY big looking lagoon, etc. What seem to be rather large hills. I mean I know they are filming in Hawaii but seriously, do they have to film it so that the audience realizes that this island is really really big???

Its kind of unbelieveable that an island that big and full featured, as presented on the show, has not been inhabited by anybody in the mainstream tourism scene by 2005 considering that the island has obviously been used by the government, etc due to the existance of the hatch and radio tower.

If you look at Rousseau's drawings here, you can see that the island is just really really big. How nobody can have seen this in this day and age is incredible to me. I assumed that an island that you could get Lost on would be about 2-3 square miles, no more, but this island looks about 6-7 square miles large, as seen by the maps. Anybody think they should tone down the cinematography to keep it believeable?

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=26949&fullsize=1

Oh well, least they are realistic with the Numbers.

Seems that this stuff is based on reality. To this day, numbers are transmitted by an unknown source all around the world, usually in a woman's voice. Seems to be a remnant from the Cold War days. The hatch looks very 50's to me, so hey, that could be.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1074687

Originally posted by neoufo51
Possible MAJOR SPOILER for Lost and/or Alias ahead

Spoiler Riddle of the Week: One of the following storylines is true; the other is bogus.

Is it (1) Lost's Locke is responsible for the death of a main character or (2) Alias' Irina Derevko is Vaughn's real mother?

Get the answer in our next chat, this Monday at 5 p.m. ET/2 p.m. PT.

Source: EOnline

I can't see Disney allowing (2) to be correct.

I been too busy to keep up with this thread for 3 weeks and it took several days for me to get from page 197 to 235

Originally posted by cyberbri
Yup. He was the first person to get it right in something like 15 or 23 years or something (maybe another number from the "cursed" set).

Either there is a curse, or it was all coincidences for both Hurley and Sam and they built it into a "curse" in their own mind. Sam's wife didn't believe it was a curse, Rosseau didn't think there was a curse until Hurley mentioned it. Is there a curse? Who knows. But it is true that those numbers brought Rosseau to the island (only because her crew went looking for the source of the transmission), and caused the chain of events that brought Hurley there too (Sam heard the transmission, used the numbers, the numbers got to Hurley through Leonard, Hurley went to Australia to talk to Sam).

Well we know that Hurley feel that he is invincible since he used the numbers (that why he was spry with the trap and had no problem with the bridge).

Maybe Rosseau don’t realize that she is invincible too?

Originally posted by dlan
I been too busy to keep up with this thread for 3 weeks and it took several days for me to get from page 197 to 235

Now on the Alias and 24 thead.

I don't know if anyone really touched upon this. But Hurley owned a box company, and didn't Locke work at one? If so, another way the characters are all somehow interrelated

Originally posted by houset
I don't know if anyone really touched upon this. But Hurley owned a box company, and didn't Locke work at one? If so, another way the characters are all somehow interrelated

Yes its been mentioned a 'few' times

If Rosseau speaks English, why did she broadcast the message in French? I would assume there are more English speaking than French speaking in the region. Did she teach herself English while on the island?

Originally posted by tobwco
If Rosseau speaks English, why did she broadcast the message in French? I would assume there are more English speaking than French speaking in the region. Did she teach herself English while on the island?

The South Pacific still has several French possessions and islands that were colonized by the French hundreds of years ago.

One other thing:

It seems to me that MANY backstories have contained the word "lost" being uttered by the characters that the main characters interact with. When Hurley went to see Sam's wife she said something to the effect that "If we weren't in the middle of nowhere I'd say you looked Lost". I seem to remember commentary like this in other flashbacks/backstories.

I'm sure as the next 6 repeats air, there will be more and more stuff that people notice/pick up on.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
The cable goes into the ground right next to Rousseau's old base that she abandoned. It wasn't next to the rope bridge. It appears as though that is how she got her power.

Sadly I deleted the RECORDING I had on my NON-TIVO RECORDING DEVICE. But my recollection was Sayid stating that "this doesn't help us" and then Charlie/Hurley commenting that they should "come look at this" and then they all see the bridge. I didn't gather that the cable ended at Rousseau's lair.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
The people from the crash know there is a radio tower. Sayid tried to find it with the help of Kate and Sawyer, but what good will it do? Rousseau had a distress call playing on it for 16 years and nobody answered it, so what are the odds that changing it to an English (or Korean) distress signal will make any difference? It appears as though they are enough off the beaten path that there isn't anybody in the neighborhood to hear a call for help.

I just find it continually *odd* in the grand scheme of things: THAT NO ONE SHARES ALL THE INFO THEY COME ACROSS WITH ANYONE ELSE ON THIS BLOODY island...LOL! Like Dr Evil said: "Need the info"!

It's now a fact: There's a radio tower somewhere on the island. Rousseau knows where it is. Finding the tower *will probably* lend more credence to where the tower came from/who built it.

Where's Scully and Mulder when you need them.....:D

Maybe the island is the site of nuclear tests in the South Pacific that US and other nations used them for over the years.

Originally posted by neoufo51
I assumed that an island that you could get Lost on would be about 2-3 square miles, no more, but this island looks about 6-7 square miles large, as seen by the maps. Anybody think they should tone down the cinematography to keep it believeable?


I find it as easy to believe as seeing polar bears living on a tropical island. :)

I think LOST is more X-Men than X-Files. Its pretty well established that Locke, Walt and the newborn do/will have some sort of power. There is also at least one more person as well....the person who conjured up the island "monster". If you remember from the first episode, someone off-camera states when the monster appears in the jungle "that sounds familiar"...I wish I still had it to to see who said it. I believe its Boone....Locke surrounds himself with "birds of a feather".
Heck, Locke even resembles Prof. X...wheelchair and all!

It was the older black lady. Her name is Rose, I believe. She said it sounded familiar, then Jack (I think) asked her where she was from, and she said, "Brooklyn".

Originally posted by Karnis
I think LOST is more X-Men than X-Files. Its pretty well established that Locke, Walt and the newborn do/will have some sort of power. There is also at least one more person as well....the person who conjured up the island "monster". If you remember from the first episode, someone off-camera states when the monster appears in the jungle "that sounds familiar"...I wish I still had it to to see who said it. I believe its Boone....Locke surrounds himself with "birds of a feather".
Heck, Locke even resembles Prof. X...wheelchair and all!

it was a female ... that black woman I think ... don't remember her name.

Originally posted by Karnis
If you remember from the first episode, someone off-camera states when the monster appears in the jungle "that sounds familiar"...I wish I still had it to to see who said it. I believe its Boone....

The comment was made by the black woman whose husband is missing. The camera is focused on Jack and Kate and in the background you see a circle of unfocused survivors standing around and talking about the "monster."

Black Woman: "The sound that it made. . . I keep thinking there was something really familiar about it."

Other character asks: "Where are you from?"

Black woman responds: "The Bronx"

Scene then shifts more to Jack and the voices in the background die out.

Regarding the radio transmission from the island, Sam heard the numbers being broadcast while monitoring from a government installation, presumably from the mainland. They must have quit monitoring before Rousseau changed the broadcast to the SOS message, otherwise seems like someone would have heard it and investigated. It at least proves that the broadcast can be heard from quite a distance. It does seem rather odd she would choose French since she seems to speak perfect English. Maybe she figured their position was closer to French Polynesia.

Originally posted by jaypb
Sadly I deleted the RECORDING I had on my NON-TIVO RECORDING DEVICE. But my recollection was Sayid stating that "this doesn't help us" and then Charlie/Hurley commenting that they should "come look at this" and then they all see the bridge. I didn't gather that the cable ended at Rousseau's lair.

I still have all episodes on my "TIVO DVR". ;) Yes. the cable went into the ground very near the bridge. As Hurley, Jack and Sayid are puzzling over it's disappearance into the ground, Charlie says something to the effect of "Guys, you should come see this", and he didn't appear to be yelling, just speaking in a normal, maybe slightly raised tone. I did find it rather interesting that the cable disappeared very close to the gorge/canyon that the bridge traversed.

Originally posted by labmansid
Regarding the radio transmission from the island, Sam heard the numbers being broadcast while monitoring from a government installation, presumably from the mainland. They must have quit monitoring before Rousseau changed the broadcast to the SOS message, otherwise seems like someone would have heard it and investigated. It at least proves that the broadcast can be heard from quite a distance. It does seem rather odd she would choose French since she seems to speak perfect English. Maybe she figured their position was closer to French Polynesia.

The wife was pretty specific that the listening post was in the South Pacific.

Originally posted by labmansid
Regarding the radio transmission from the island, Sam heard the numbers being broadcast while monitoring from a government installation, presumably from the mainland. They must have quit monitoring before Rousseau changed the broadcast to the SOS message, otherwise seems like someone would have heard it and investigated. It at least proves that the broadcast can be heard from quite a distance. It does seem rather odd she would choose French since she seems to speak perfect English. Maybe she figured their position was closer to French Polynesia.

The wife was pretty specific that the listening post was in the South Pacific.

if I'm talking about something relating to an x86 system running windows I say "Windows box" .... and so on.

Is that so weird? Being accurate and all?


Accurate? Whent's the last time you saw a 286, 386, or 486 machine? There are Intel- and AMD-based Windows machines now, Pentiums, Athlons, etc. If you want accurate, then say Windows-machine or whatever term with "Windows" in it you want. That's the main difference, right? Whether it's running Apple, Windows, Linux, or Unix, etc., right?

Originally posted by jaypb
I just find it continually *odd* in the grand scheme of things: THAT NO ONE SHARES ALL THE INFO THEY COME ACROSS WITH ANYONE ELSE ON THIS BLOODY island...LOL! Like Dr Evil said: "Need the info"!
I think they don't share info with others because as Sayid said after they heard the 16 year old transmisson, "...No one's going to tell them anything. To relay what we heard without fully understanding it will cause a panic. If we tell them what we know, we take away their hope. And hope is a very dangerous thing to lose...". But Kate did share that info with Jack when she returned with the others.

Originally posted by cyberbri
Accurate? Whent's the last time you saw a 286, 386, or 486 machine? There are Intel- and AMD-based Windows machines now, Pentiums, Athlons, etc. If you want accurate, then say Windows-machine or whatever term with "Windows" in it you want. That's the main difference, right? Whether it's running Apple, Windows, Linux, or Unix, etc., right?

you just set yourself up for a huge flame but i'll be kind ...

you do realize even current Intel and AMD chips are still based on the same x86 based architecture as the old 286, 386 and so on? From an architectual standpoint they are the same, the main difference being bigger data pipes, more embeded commands/funtions, the later models added a few extra/longer registers ... and so on.

Intel just started with the 'Pentium' name as a marketing ploy and to be more easliy acceptable by the masses. 286, 386, etc became too geeky ... plus Pentium just sounded cooler.

Likewise the AMD chips are named the way they are purely for marketing. They have the same architecture as the Intel chips ... and it's referred to as x86, even on newer procs.

As for Apple's ... completelty different ball game. They use a RISC based processor (used to be motorola, dunno anymore).

I'm trying to let this one die here folks so I don't appear a troll...

Thanks, jackshakes. I did not know that. Yes, let us let this OT tangent die. ;)

Originally posted by labmansid
Regarding the radio transmission from the island, Sam heard the numbers being broadcast while monitoring from a government installation, presumably from the mainland. They must have quit monitoring before Rousseau changed the broadcast to the SOS message, otherwise seems like someone would have heard it and investigated. It at least proves that the broadcast can be heard from quite a distance. It does seem rather odd she would choose French since she seems to speak perfect English. Maybe she figured their position was closer to French Polynesia.

It's true that suggests they are within reach for someone to hear their transmissions ... but I got the feeling Sam was listening due to some military operation that is probably over, so no one else is listening.

Also, I don't think Sam heard the numbers right as they started being broadcast. I think they were being broadcast for a while before, and that one day the weather and atmospheric conditions were just right that sam was able to hear them above the static. So if someone else was still ilstening, it's probably unlikely they'd hear.

It still wouldn't be a bad Idea to have something going for passing ships and whatnot. True no one heard the french transmission in 16 years, but you never know.

Originally posted by cyberbri
Thanks, jackshakes. I did not know that. Yes, let us let this OT tangent die. ;)

Told you it would be RISCy!!..:D

Using the Periodic Table of the Elements

4----beryllium---------Be
8----oxygen-----------O
15---phosporus--------P
16---sulfer------------S
23---vanadium--------V
42 ---molybdenum-----Mo


Be o p s v mo

Ok at first I thought the numbers were related to the elements, now I believe they are coordinates in DD:MM:SS Degrees: Minutes: Seconds

4:8:15 north
16:23:42 West

Unfortunately it would place them somewhere close to Kinshasa, Zaire in Africa. Perhaps they are on the Congo river and not in the ocean after all. :)

Anyone here have better skills with navigation and coordinates than I?

Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
Using the Periodic Table of the Elements

Unfortunately it would place them somewhere close to Kinshasa, Zaire in Africa. Perhaps they are on the Congo river and not in the ocean after all. :)

Anyone here have better skills with navigation and coordinates than I?

I sure don't but I think your numbers association is original.

But who says the island, or wherever they are, is a real place on the globe? Some say it is larger than what should escape rescue attempts or huge resort facilities. If it is not a "real" place, none of that matters. And I think we have all observed things that suggest this is not a place that is on any navigational coordinates. So why get hung up on "real world" attributes? They're in Wonderland.

Bob

why oh why don't they follow that cable in the other direction? The other end has to be somewhat close to the beach if it attached to a sunken vessel. I guess they are not that curious about its source.

Wow! 500 post in March already and it's only the 7th.

Originally posted by tobwco
why oh why don't they follow that cable in the other direction? The other end has to be somewhat close to the beach if it attached to a sunken vessel. I guess they are not that curious about its source.

The other end goes into the water at the beach. That's where both Sayid and Hurley started following it. They are probably curious about the source but they're not fish!

Just a random loose end getting tied up, and a new question. . .

I was thinking back to the backgammon game between Walt and Hurley. Since finding out that Hurley is wealthy, several people have mentioned the bit about Hurley being "good for it" in regards to the 80-some odd thousand dollars that Walt has won off him.

But remember how upset/surprised Hurley was that he was actually LOSING? I think there was some speculation that he was a backgammon champ or something (I'm not going THAT far down the thread ;-).

Now that we know how lucky he was after using the numbers, we know why he was so surprised.

The new question is where has his bad/good luck gone? I can't really think of any incidents on the island that compare with what he seemed to be experiencing back home. . . . Although I guess you could make a case that the whole plane crash is his fault. . . . ;-)

markd

I think he's losing because Walt gets whatever rolls he wants/needs. It's less about Hurley's luck and more that Walt seems to be able to will whatever numbers he wants.

They have to be somewhere on the globe... their plane took off from austraila, headed for L.A., the french woman was also in a boat, and followed the radio signal... yeah i suppose they "could" be somewhere else, but unlikely. couldn't be in africa on the congo, as I would think they could get fresh water from that "river" with the beach.

I have a feeling we'll never find out where they really are, as network TV goes, ABC will drag this thing out so long, it'll just get rediculous. Ideally, it should be like a 3 year series and just go out on top. :D

Originally posted by ricwhite
The comment was made by the black woman whose husband is missing. The camera is focused on Jack and Kate and in the background you see a circle of unfocused survivors standing around and talking about the "monster."

Black Woman: "The sound that it made. . . I keep thinking there was something really familiar about it."

Other character asks: "Where are you from?"

Black woman responds: "The Bronx"

Scene then shifts more to Jack and the voices in the background die out.

... like maybe she heard something from the Bronx Zoo?

I found a site that maps out their flightpath. Anyone have the info the pilot gave them before he got chomped. Flight speed, how far into the flight they had to change directions. etc..

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=syd-lax

Originally posted by skipfreely
I found a site that maps out their flightpath. Anyone have the info the pilot gave them before he got chomped. Flight speed, how far into the flight they had to change directions. etc..

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=syd-lax


Pilot: How many survived?
Jack: At least forty-eight. Does anything feel broken?
Pilot: No. No. Just my head's a little… dizzy that's all.
Jack [checking pilot's head]: Yeah, it's probably a concussion.
Pilot: How long has it been?
Jack: Sixteen hours.
Pilot: Sixteen. Has anybody come?
Jack: Not yet.
Pilot: Six hours in… Our radio went out. No one could see us. We turned back to, to land in Fiji, by the time we, we hit turbulence… we were a thousand miles off course. They're looking for us. In the wrong place. [He pauses until he realizes] We have a transceiver!
Jack: Good, good. That's what we were hoping. Listen, you shouldn't try to mo-
Pilot: No, no, no, I'm okay.

This "where are they" discussion reminds of "The Langoliers". IIRC, they were out of time sync with the rest of the world.

Originally posted by hefe
Jack: Good, good. That's what we were hoping. Listen, you shouldn't try to mo-
Pilot: No, no, no, I'm okay.


You left off -
Pilot: No, no, no, I'm okay.
Monster: GRR - Chomp, Chomp
Pilot: AAAAAHHHH!!!

Originally posted by ricwhite
The comment was made by the black woman whose husband is missing. The camera is focused on Jack and Kate and in the background you see a circle of unfocused survivors standing around and talking about the "monster."

Black Woman: "The sound that it made. . . I keep thinking there was something really familiar about it."

Other character asks: "Where are you from?"

Black woman responds: "The Bronx"

Scene then shifts more to Jack and the voices in the background die out.

Bronx Zoo, anyone ? There are apartments/homes all around the zoo

Originally posted by NorthJersey
Bronx Zoo, anyone ? There are apartments/homes all around the zoo

my point exactly.

It struck me as a possibility as well, but I can't deny that the "monster" sounds far more mechanical than animal.

I kinda sounds like a big trash truck.:D

Did anyone else read the EW review? Very funny blog.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1033710_3_0_,00.html

That was great.

Originally posted by jackshakes
....

Intel just started with the 'Pentium' name as a marketing ploy and to be more easliy acceptable by the masses. 286, 386, etc became too geeky ... plus Pentium just sounded cooler.
...

actually i'll hop in here with my geek knowledge. My Brother In Law is a mucky muck at Intel.

Pentium came into being becasue everyone started naming their competing chips with similar numbers. They attempted to stop people from using similar soundingnumerical names but they failed as apparently using numbers alone is difficult to defend copyright and/or tradmark so they hade to come up with a name.

You might have seen people selling "586" chips but only intel sells a 'pentium'

So, when is the sextium coming out? :)

that would be mint.

I guess pentium must have some serious consumer recognition. At the time it sounded to me like a stop gap way to get people used to numbers to say names. But PII, PIII, PIV later and they are still using pentium. I think the new multi-core chips are even going to be called pentium. You'd think they would go with multium or something :-)

While we're rambling- what the hell is a "centrino"- isn't it like a quark or something? OR am i thinking neutrino?

Maybe that box with the hatch on the island can explain what it all means...

Originally posted by Couch Patato
I kinda sounds like a big trash truck.:D


Or the elevated subway in the Bronx

Originally posted by Couch Patato
I kinda sounds like a big trash truck.:D

I believe it's got to be Transaurus!

http://www.transaurus.com/t-21.htm

Yep, I think you're right...:p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/t-21b.jpg

Originally posted by madpoet
Did anyone else read the EW review? Very funny blog.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1033710_3_0_,00.html
Quote- "...we learned that Hurley is pretty spry for a fat white guy..."

Dude, he's not fat, he's heavy!! :D

... and he's not white, he's Latino.

beans, beans.... the magical fruit....

I found out what the numbers mean!!!

4 8 15 16 23 42 is actually the SKU (part# for inventory control) of the little Tiki idol that was featured on The Brady Bunch when they went to Hawaii. Apparently, these numbers are also indirectly responsible for Greg's wipeout while surfind and Alice throwing out her back!

And why the numbers are on the side of the hatch: the hatch is actually a shipping container full of those same Tiki idols. There are 4 cases of 8 Large idols, 15 cases of 16 Medium idols and 23 cases of 42 small idols (the ones the Brady Bunch had). Since they have much larger Tiki idols, the bad luck is much more severe.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
I found out what the numbers mean!!!

4 8 15 16 23 42 ...

That's pretty funny but it's no spoiler.

Well, if you say so, but that is part of the humor I see. People are reading it expecting it to be the real answer and "sorry, we don't give answers here - this is Lost." A metaphor for the show, I suppose. ;)

Originally posted by UTV2TiVo
...

... it's no spoiler.

Maybe I shouldn't have said that. I don't want to get into the whole "definition of a spoiler" argument in this thread again!

I just wanted some people to see it, get all antsy and - haha! No dice! I am removing the spoiler tags...

Actually I'm glad it wasn't a true spoiler because I shouldn't have been reading it in the first place (my personal preference).
But it was just too intriguing to pass up. Good job!

Yesterday I finished watching the last two episodes - what a great show! It's taken me two days to get caught up on this thread, my eyes are tired!! I can't believe we have 6 weeks until the next show :mad:

>I sure don't but I think your numbers association is original.

The problem with the numbers being coordinates or anything relating to a rescue attempt is that they are in/on the metal near the hatch. And it looks like a professional casting job, not something that someone might have fashioned while stuck on an island.

I wonder if the metal container is something that a box company would make. ;)

As to the numbers and the beans....who said Sam had to use the numbers in ascending order? Of course even if you make the smallest number you can out of those digits it's still over a billion...

Why don't they walk the beach perimeter now that they have guns? For all they know there could be a Club Med on the other side of the island...

Originally posted by auribe14
And it looks like a professional casting job, not something that someone might have fashioned while stuck on an island.

Looks like they're stamped.

In the Lost spin-offs we will learn that there are more of those "hatch" on other islands with similar transmissions all over the world... Can't wait for Lost - Atlantic Ocean Edition:D

Originally posted by fhall1

Why don't they walk the beach perimeter now that they have guns? For all they know there could be a Club Med on the other side of the island...

For that matter how do they in fact know they're on an island? I don't think any of them have explored enough to walk all the way around it.

Originally posted by fhall1

Why don't they walk the beach perimeter now that they have guns? For all they know there could be a Club Med on the other side of the island...


Cause they are saving that for the series finale.

Originally posted by rdwalt
I wonder if the metal container is something that a box company would make. ;)

Interesting... we are all thinking cardboard box company but it could easily be metal box company

Mama always said life was like a box a chocolates, never know what you're gonna get. :p

Originally posted by rdwalt
Mama always said life was like a box a chocolates, never know what you're gonna get. :p

And that's all I've got to say about that. :-)

Originally posted by rdwalt
Mama always said life was like a box a chocolates, never know what you're gonna get. :p

But now it's not about the chocolates it's all about the box.

Sorry, but not a metal box company. A container like that would be made at a metal fabrication plant and they don't refer to themselves as box plants but as sheet metal fabricators. We deal with a couple here.

The only kind of metal box company that would consider themselves close to a box company would be one making the metal tins you can get as gift packs and such and even then, they refer to them as tins, not boxes.

I would think that if they were on a peninsula instead of an island, then somebody would have been by to respond to the plan wreck and ensuing explosion or even the explosion of Rousseau's lair. Not being on an island means they are attached to a continent and that puts them in Australia. No way.

They should walk the perimeter, but for some reason they are not doing that. Now that they have guns to protect themselves from the polar bears and pissed off giraffes, I don't see why they haven't explored other than it would provide us and them with some clue as to what is going on. Then again, they have only been lost for a month. Man, talk about a group of type B personalities!!!