Originally posted by BillJulyan
Two comments on Lost:

1. I'm a retired airline captain. If an airliner lost its tail section in flight, I don't think there would be any survivors.

2. Who cares?

http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/w/c/wcjulyan/lost.jpg

1. I was thinking the same thing...loss of control at that altitude would probably not leave sections of the fuselage that large. I was thinking you would find many pieces bigger than a foot square.

2. Exactly - I can overlook stuff like that as long as they show "not so sweet" Kate in her Skivvies every episode. Oh and the plat and stuff is good too ;)

Originally posted by NorthJersey
When Lost season 1 comes out on DVD it'll be a must buy!!

fyi, the father, Harold Perrault, was also in Matrix 2 & 3 (Link I believe)

It's Harold Perrineau - from Matrix 2 & 3 - but he'll always be the "guy in the wheelchair" on OZ to me.

Originally posted by CPanther95
It's Harold Perrineau - from Matrix 2 & 3 - but he'll always be the "guy in the wheelchair" on OZ to me.

To me, he will always be the guy who screamed horrifically while gettting eaten by a big bear in 'The Edge'.

Everytime I see him, I think of that scene.

I have both D* and Cablevision. After a long day at the hospital with my grandfather, I made it back to sit down and watch last night. I had heard the rumors that Cablevision was adding ABC-HD. I checked about 20 minutes into it and luckily, Cablevision had indeed added it. All I can say is WOW!! I was enjoying the show in SD, but in HD, it it simply amazing. Can't wait for the rerun of the two hours because I did miss some things. It was a great way to switch gears for an hour!

Originally posted by Fletch
The pilot was a 2-hour episode, but ABC aired it as two separate 1-hour episodes.

I think this answers the question about why there were more commercials in part 2. This was originally edited as a 2 hour movie. With most 2 hour movies on television, the first 20 minutes are often commercial free, and then they go to normal intervals. In this case what we saw last night was the second hour of a two hour movie when we would normally be in full swing of our doses of commercials (Thank God for the HD TiVo!)

This show is amazing. I agree that it seemed that just as things were getting going it was over. I love how they revisit situations on the plane from a different characters point of view. In part 1 we saw Jack get up and almost get knocked down by Charlie running down the aisle. In part 2 we saw Charlie running down the aisle and bump into Jack as he was standing up. Very cool.

Did anyone else think the polar bear looked like a dead muppet?

Originally posted by tbb1226
Based on the episode title that showed up in the program info last night, I'm guessing that the "Pilot" was produced as a two-hour TV show, which ABC decided to split into two one-hour shows. Saturday's broadcast is the whole two hours.

No, no, the first show was called "Pilot" because they found the pilot...

The way they are revealing the character details is great. The whole line with the "shrapnel guy" woven in with the Kate stuff was just sweet.

I too was kind of taken aback by the rapid fire commercials in the beginning. But really, they are doing the right thing for the pacing and suspense of the show by "front loading" a lot of them early so as to not disrupt the tension/suspense flow of the stuff going on toward the end of the hour.

I have to say again what I said after the first hour, this show just wouldn't be the same in SD on a stereo only TV. In Portland our local ABC affiliate had a major DTV transmitter crash right before the Merry Brandybu... er, Charlie the druggie plane flashback, and I quickly switched over to the analog feed and it is just like watching a full screen pan and scan DVD. So much missing... Thankfully they were able to reboot their transmitter (or something) and got it back up quickly. The Kate sequences in the plane with the "flight sounds" in the surrounds was like night and day. This show is tailor made for HD. FWIW, it doesn't matter what the first hour was titled, it is a two hour pilot.

ron

Originally posted by chroma601
No, no, the first show was called "Pilot" because they found the pilot...

Ok I'm lost..excuse the pun. So the first show was last week, right? Where they find the pilot, etc? And last night was the second episode? Correct? I'm just making sure I didn't miss anything prior to last Wednesday's 1 hour episode.

I

Originally posted by R11
FWIW, it doesn't matter what the first hour was titled, it is a two hour pilot.
But just to make sure I'm clear, it was spread over two days, right? One hour last week, and one hour last night? So Saturday is going to include last week, and last night? I've been looking for a new show to be our "weekly" TV watching night with my friends, and I'm trying to figure out how much time to budget to get everyone caught up. I've got last night's episode saved, just not sure if I need to add that to what's going to be on Saturday, or if it's already included.

Originally posted by gkurcon
Ok I'm lost..excuse the pun. So the first show was last week, right? Where they find the pilot, etc? And last night was the second episode? Correct? I'm just making sure I didn't miss anything prior to last Wednesday's 1 hour episode.

I

That is correct. And if you missed either they will be rerun together this weekend.

Ok good. My wife was confused during the first episode and was asking when they would show the plane crash, thinking we missed something. I was pretty certain most of it would be shown as flash-back. I'm up to speed then. Thanks.

i had some weird dreams last night after watching the show. unfortunately, none of them involved kate.

anyway, what if they're all already dead, & the island is just some sort of purgatory/limbo where they're being judged by the actions they take? it's like a messed-up version of "the benefactor," where mark cuban is watching their every move & decides who lives & dies! what other explanation could there be for other people before this group being stranded as well on the same island?

i'm sure others here have recognized the terry o'quinn character as kendall from "alias." that guy is one of the more intriguing characters on the island. he freaks me out. what is up w/ all his knives in the next episode? and what secret did he tell the kid?

Originally posted by kpoon


i'm sure others here have recognized the terry o'quinn character as kendall from "alias." that guy is one of the more intriguing characters on the island. he freaks me out. what is up w/ all his knives in the next episode? and what secret did he tell the kid?

I didn't pick him out until last night, but realized it as soon as he started talking to the kid. Here's another one for you, what's up with the Japanese guy? During the first episode he's telling his wife to basically ignore all the others, then last night he's going around serving sushi?? What is he up to?

I kept thinking the sushi guy was just trying to get someone ELSE to test the food- maybe he thinks there is something wrong with it??

Did someone get the location of the crash? Is it a Bermuda triangle thing or what?

(Nope, haven't covered this entire thread yet and I missed the pilot.)

Wasn't he serving sea urchin? Isn't that poisonous if served incorrectly or am I thinking of something else? I'm waiting for the episode when his wife goes ballistic on him. She's already slowly defying his wishes. The trollop unbuttoned her top button!

i think the couple is korean. my wife thought they were chinese.

the actor is daniel dae kim. he always plays military guys in movies. the one that comes immediately to mind is "the jackal," in which he plays a sniper towards the end of the film.

Originally posted by Judy Y
Did someone get the location of the crash? Is it a Bermuda triangle thing or what?

(Nope, haven't covered this entire thread yet and I missed the pilot.)
Presumably somewhere in the South Pacific, since the Pilot (before his demise) said something about turning back to Fiji. Also, Walt (the kid) said he had been living with his mom in Australia, hinting that may be where the flight originated.

My guess on location:
They've landed on an uncharted area of land and sea in the middle of the south pole (hence the polar bear) were thought to be extinct wildlife still existed. Where in the past some corporation discovered and sent specialists (scientist and such) to do experiments on the local wildlife Just my immaginative guess. :)

Originally posted by labmansid
Presumably somewhere in the South Pacific, since the Pilot (before his demise) said something about turning back to Fiji. Also, Walt (the kid) said he had been living with his mom in Australia, hinting that may be where the flight originated.
Oceanic Airways Flight 815 was en route to Los Angeles from Sydney on Sept. 22, 2004. When radio contact faded, the plane reversed course and headed toward Fiji before breaking up and crashing on an island. Of the roughly 175 people aboard, 48 survived.

Originally posted by kpoon
i think the couple is Korean. my wife thought they were Chinese.
The actors are definitely Korean, but the language they are speaking sounds very much like Japanese to me. Definitely not Chinese. Maybe someone with some Asian language skills can clear this up...

Sounded Korean to me.

Originally posted by Darin
That was obviously not a handheld transeiver, but some broadcasting system that had the capability to append the iteration every time.

Possibly solar or nuclear powered device, and now they are gonig to have to find it.

The polar bear could have gotten to the island from an ice flow that broke off from Antartica, melted and then he swimmed the rest of the way.

Great show but this week the commercials really started to get annoying, price we pay though for good TV.

Imagine what this show would look like with a 1080p transfer...

Jim

According to Closed Captions, the Asian couple is speaking Korean.

Originally posted by keenan
Possibly solar or nuclear powered device, and now they are gonig to have to find it. Really? Why bother? If it's been going for 16 years and no rescue team came, I don't think it'll do this group much good either.

Originally posted by keenan
the commercials really started to get annoying, price we pay though for good TV.
For an even higher price, you can bypass them. :D

Originally posted by CPanther95
Sounded Korean to me.

Me too, I lifted this from the Lost site,

>>>>>

Jin (Daniel Dae Kim) and Sun (Yunjin Kim) are a Korean couple whose traditions, values and language are foreign and thus causes much to get lost in the translation.

>>>>>

A lot of good stuff at the website,

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index.html
ABC's 'Lost,' Wednesdays 8/7c

Jim

Originally posted by Darin
For an even higher price, you can bypass them. :D

Yup!! I if I can put myself in seclusion I might be able to wait for the DVD, yeah right:p

Jim

The Asian couple is Korean. They are speaking Korean. When the guy was offering sea urchin to the fat dude, he was saying it's delicious. When he offered it to the pregnant woman, he was saying, "please try this, it's good for you and for the baby..." but I'm sure that was pretty obvious.

Maybe if the Korean guy keeps pissing off the Korean girl, she will be next to be running around in her undies!! :D

Originally posted by Fletch
Really? Why bother? If it's been going for 16 years and no rescue team came, I don't think it'll do this group much good either.

Ah come on, think of MacGyver, looks like they have some fairly resourceful people there, they can figure out someway maybe to make it useful, looks like they'll have plenty of time on their hands. Maybe take pieces of the plan and erect a satellite dish. :D

Jim

Originally posted by robrien
Lost! No, they are not. I know where are, they are on: The Island of Doctor Moreau. Well at least it appears that way to me.

That was what I said to my wife last night.

Originally posted by rmaestas
How could that distress message be constantly playing for sixteen years from another transceiver without running down the batteries? Must be using rechargeable batteries.

It was made by Professor Roy Hinkley out of coconuts and sea water and can run forever.

Originally posted by PJO1966
Wasn't he serving sea urchin? Isn't that poisonous if served incorrectly or am I thinking of something else? I'm waiting for the episode when his wife goes ballistic on him. She's already slowly defying his wishes. The trollop unbuttoned her top button!

I think that's blow fish but I'm not positive. In any event sea urchin isn't poisonous.

But, none of the sat providers have ABC-HD. They won't be able to watch themselves. :)

They've got enough aluminum to make a c-band dish, though I don't know if that's broadcast in the clear. :)

Originally posted by PhredC
It was made by Professor Roy Hinkley out of coconuts and sea water and can run forever.

Everybody is always giving MacGuyver credit for his resourcefulness. I think Roy Hinkley gets a raw deal. He kept that battery operated radio running for 15 years!

Originally posted by stephenC
But, none of the sat providers have ABC-HD. They won't be able to watch themselves. :)

As long as they can get BEV they are laughing ;).

Originally posted by PJO1966
I think Roy Hinkley gets a raw deal. He kept that battery operated radio running for 15 years! Yeah, did you see the episode where they recharged the radio's battery with sea water?

Me neither! :rolleyes:

Daryl L, I don't think your guess qualifies as a spoiler.

They've landed on an uncharted area of land and sea in the middle of the south pole (hence the polar bear) were thought to be extinct wildlife still existed. Where in the past some corporation discovered and sent specialists (scientist and such) to do experiments on the local wildlife

Only problem with your imagination is that polar bears live in north pole, not south pole...

Love the series. Best I have seen since STNG.

if anyone missed either episode the entire two hour pilot is reairing this saturday night at 8pm EST/PST.

Has anyone checked out the www.i-am-lost.com page? Theres some wierd flash game, but it either isn't finished or I can't figure out what to do next. I get the handcuffs, the transceiver and the medicine bottle, but i can't go anywhere else or use them.

Originally posted by labmansid
Maybe if the Korean guy keeps pissing off the Korean girl, she will be next to be running around in her undies!! :D

That's definately what HD needs ;). The one chick was doing it justice alone! I like the show, though I am sort of thinking "Island of Doctor M." like many of you. Pity if that's all it is. Some super secret French genetics lab? I'm always keen on blaming the French for something :)

Originally posted by gameboy
Daryl L, I don't think your guess qualifies as a spoiler.



Only problem with your imagination is that polar bears live in north pole, not south pole...

Love the series. Best I have seen since STNG.

That is an important point. How in the heck does an Artic polar bear get into a southern tropical zone? I guess it could have been part of a zoo transport that crashed on the island. :confused:

When they asked "The Princess" to translate French for them, I was waiting for her to say "We surrender!" ;)

Originally posted by scowl
Yeah, did you see the episode where they recharged the radio's battery with sea water?

Me neither! :rolleyes:

I did. The professor suddenly remembers teaching something similar in one of his classes.

They are playing a Korean couple who do not speak English.

Daniel Dae Kim has been appearing in my TV series in a small role ("24", for example). He was born in Korean (the city of Pusan), but he must have grown up in the U.S because his English is much authentic than his Korean. He does have a Pusan accent (which I assume he got from his parents), but his Korean does bother me a lot.

Yoon-Jin Kim has been in several Korean movies ("Swiri", for example). Her Korean is authentic, and I was really surprised that they cast her. One rumor I've heard is that she initally read for Kate, but they didn't think she was right for the role. But they liked her so much that they created this role for her.

For me, the real interesting thing is that there is no translation for their all Korean dialog. Not only the couple don't understand the rest of the survivors, but the audience don't understand them either. :) Some of the Korean dialogs were a bit strange (too translated), but overall they were okay.

I think Daniel's character is playing a traditional Korean husband (or its generalization). He is very strict/mean to his wife, but he tries to accomodate others (like service "uni"/sea urchin, which are more of a delicacy). Yoon-Jin is, in the beginning, playing a subservient wife who, in time, may learn to assert herself.

Personally, I don't think Daniel's character will last that long. :p

Since those Korean couple were not part of the original plan, it seemed to me, they were "separated" from the rest of the story line. But the camera seemed to be very kind to Ms. Kim. :)

Hong.

Ok I have no clue. But, they were flying in the southern hemisphere, and that was a big, hungry, furoscious polar bear. Maybe the coporation transported it their for genetic research. Now all the geneticlly altered animals got loose, killed the corporate employees and are roamig free and wild.

I also believe that puddle they found the pilots wings in was a huge print that they didn't notice because it just looked like a mudpuddle plus the pilots body quickly drew their attention upwards away from the puddle. :D

I got more ideas. :D

I hope the survivors pick up enough Korean to be able to distinguish between sea urchin and yellow lab before they just chow down. :)

You know they're going to find the transmission place, figure out a way to build a satellite, somehow start getting DirecTV and the HD pack, and be so upset by the pixelation over there in the South Pacific that they'll come online with their homemade laptop and visit this website and post their complaints.... then they'll ask if we think they should build a Voom receiver instead, because they want to know if Voom is better...

Originally posted by Darin
They've got enough aluminum to make a c-band dish, though I don't know if that's broadcast in the clear. :) Ah, so that's how they'll get rescued. The FCC finds them after triangulating their illegal radio broadcast. ;)

Originally posted by NetworkTV
Ah, so that's how they'll get rescued. The FCC finds them after triangulating their illegal radio broadcast. ;)

Well, they probably wont be found until 2009, they'll be operating at low power until then.:D

Jim

Originally posted by CPanther95
I hope the survivors pick up enough Korean to be able to distinguish between sea urchin and yellow lab before they just chow down. :)

Some wise soul ought to be processing that bear meat before it goes bad.

Jim :)

Does anyone know how many episodes have been shot already?

Originally posted by keenan
Some wise soul ought to be processing that bear meat before it goes bad.

Jim :)
I was thinking that after they killed it, too. Beats the "Fuselage Buffet"!

Originally posted by CPanther95
I hope the survivors pick up enough Korean to be able to distinguish between sea urchin and yellow lab before they just chow down. :)

Cause like they say, you can't have your dog and eat it too!

The quick overnight ratings are in:

LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) Fast National ratings for Wednesday, Sept. 29, 2004
"Lost" remained strong for ABC Wednesday, but two hours' worth of "CSI" shows put CBS atop the ratings for the night.

CBS averaged a 10.1 rating/16 share in primetime. ABC finished second at 7.9/13, followed closely by NBC at 7.6/12. FOX, 3.8/6, took fourth, followed by UPN, 3.0/5, and The WB, 2.9/4.


The Big Three were tightly bunched in the adults 18-49, with CBS' 4.9 rating topping the list in the ad-friendly demographic. ABC, 4.8, and NBC, 4.7, were right behind. FOX averaged 2.5, and UPN and The WB tied for fifth at 1.9.
"Lost" won the 8 p.m. hour for ABC with a 10.2/16. CBS was second with "60 Minutes," 7.2/12. "Hawaii" finished third for NBC. "That '70s Show," 4.0/7, and "Quintuplets," 3.5/5, gave fourth place to FOX, beating The WB's "Smallville," 3.6/6. "America's Next Top Model" came in at 3.2/5 for UPN.............................................

Last weeks premiere had a rating of 11.6 IIRC. One of my friends (non HD owning) loves Alias but hates what he's seen of LOST. Says it's "boring" and they just sit around talking. I keep telling him it's unbelievable in HD. Makes me wonder how many of the rating have HD. Would those with SD who like the show be even more intrigued with HD capability? Could some who don't like it in SD like it in HD? I'm going to experiment on my friend by forcing him to watch it in HD this weekend.

> Does anyone know how many episodes have been shot already?

Last I heard, initially, it was 13 episode series, but due to the ratings, it increased to 22 (another season?).

> I hope the survivors pick up enough Korean to be able to distinguish between sea urchin and yellow lab before they just chow down.

I've also heard that the couple actually speaks English...

Hong.

Originally posted by drsimnal
Could some who don't like it in SD like it in HD? I'm going to experiment on my friend by forcing him to watch it in HD this weekend.

Absolutely, other than sports you couldn't ask for a better showcase of the capabilities of HDTV.

Jim

Originally posted by GrantMeThePower
Does anyone know how many episodes have been shot already?

The doctor, Jack (Matthew Fox) was on Carson Daly's show the other night - he said they had filmed 8 episodes so far.

Okay... All I'm going to say is that I haven't watched last night's episode yet.... it's on my HD-TiVo, and I plan to watch it tonight....

But it's killing me to see this thread growing longer and longer by the hour... I think like 80-100 messages just added today? I'm not reading any of them yet, but once I watch the episode, I'll have a lot of reading to catch up on!! :)

Originally posted by Chriš
The doctor, Jack (Matthew Fox) was on Carson Daly's show the other night - he said they had filmed 8 episodes so far.

Thank you! I heard JJ Abrams on the radio but missed part of what he said and I was worried that he'd only filmed a couple so far and that it would be on haitus as I had yet to hear definitivly how many episodes were already in the can.

This thread is nearly as entertaining as the show :).

ron

Originally posted by cburbs
I agree with everyone on the Nice Kate shot - what a bod. Then they throw in the nice little twist as she is the "Bad guy"

So are they going to show clips for everyone and what happened on the plane?

Great show so far ....this week I watched it on the big screen in HD........sweet.

How much of a bad guy is she ? Makes you wonder.....in the plane she made sure the unconscious cop has oxygen.

From their conversation on the plane, with him doubting they'll accept her story, my guess is she was battered and fought back, killing her husband/boyfriend/whatever. That could explain her reaction when the guy with the gun said he knew her type.

> How much of a bad guy is she ?

Their conversation went something like, "who would have believed me?" "I did" (or I could have completely missed it), so either she was a con or a minor felony framed with bigger one?

Dang, I missed the first half of the 2-hour pilot...

Hong.

Originally posted by hongcho
> How much of a bad guy is she ?

....
Dang, I missed the first half of the 2-hour pilot...

Hong.

The two-hour "Pilot" will be rebroadcast this Saturday, October 2.

Originally posted by hongcho

Dang, I missed the first half of the 2-hour pilot...

Hong.

Looks like they are re-running the entire pilot on Saturday...

> The two-hour "Pilot" will be rebroadcast this Saturday, October 2.

Thanks for the info. Going to make sure my HDTiVo picks it up.

Hong.

Just for the record, the show is filmed on Kauai, Hawaii. I've been there twice and it's the gem of the entire chain of islands. Lots of movies have filmed there: JP and Raiders of the Lost Ark are a couple that come to mind.

Originally posted by PJO1966
I love how they revisit situations on the plane from a different characters point of view. In part 1 we saw Jack get up and almost get knocked down by Charlie running down the aisle. In part 2 we saw Charlie running down the aisle and bump into Jack as he was standing up. Very cool.


I think they took their cue from Boomtown which used this to great effect by showing a crime being committed from 4 or 5 different points of view.

COP: You look worried. I'd be worried too, if I was you. But you've got to stay positive kiddo, you know, there's always that off-chance that they'll believe your story. I know I sure do.

WOMAN: I don't care what you believe.

COP: Oh, I know that's true. That has always been true.

Surely Kate has been framed, and is not the bad girl they have portrayed her to be....although I do kind of like bad girls.

Originally posted by scolumbo
Surely Kate has been framed, and is not the bad girl they have portrayed her to be....although I do kind of like bad girls.

Why is she not the bad girl? I watched this show for the first time last and thought that it was intriguing(?). That Kate girl looked totally hot in hd when she was on the beach wearing that black bikini bottom. What is up with the polar bear on that island? What are the developers of the show going for? It seems to me that this island is filled with killer animals and the survivors will have to fend off these beast. If that is the premise of the show, how long can it realistically last? Not long I would suppose! It seems better as a 2.5 hour long movie rather than a 16 episode tv show but we'll see.

Maybe the producers will have Kate go crazy and kill someone, therefore showing us that behind the innocent face is a crazed killer who can go off at any moment.

I just want to second the fantastic pq and sound. The story is so interesting at this point to me that it is one of the rare shows which just fly's by; seems like it was over in 20 minutes. Can't wait to see what's next.

Originally posted by Enigma
The story is so interesting at this point to me that it is one of the rare shows which just fly's by; seems like it was over in 20 minutes.

Actually, it was. The other 40 minutes were commercials.

I was just rewatching some parts of last night's show and caught something interesting. I know when the three got back with the transceiver and confirmed they had found the cockpit, someone asked if there were any survivors. Charlie and Kate looked at each other like "what do we tell them about the pilot?", when Jack stepped up and just said no; no mention of what happened with the pilot. But later on after the polar bear was shot, Boone asks if that was what got the pilot, as if someone told him what happened. Maybe it was just a blooper?

Originally posted by maxman
Actually, it was. The other 40 minutes were commercials.

You beat me to the punch line.

Originally posted by labmansid
I was just rewatching some parts of last night's show and caught something interesting. I know when the three got back with the transceiver and confirmed they had found the cockpit, someone asked if there were any survivors. Charlie and Kate looked at each other like "what do we tell them about the pilot?", when Jack stepped up and just said no; no mention of what happened with the pilot. But later on after the polar bear was shot, Boone asks if that was what got the pilot, as if someone told him what happened. Maybe it was just a blooper?

I noticed that too. I thought I might have missed something earlier. I wonder if it was a writing slip-up or if it carries some sort of significance.

Originally posted by MJBVIDEO
Just for the record, the show is filmed on Kauai, Hawaii. I've been there twice and it's the gem of the entire chain of islands. Lots of movies have filmed there: JP and Raiders of the Lost Ark are a couple that come to mind.

A co-worker of mine was in Hawaii when they were filming it. He said that as they were landing they saw the wreckage and everyone on the plane freaked out. Then they were told that they were just filming a TV show.

Originally posted by MJBVIDEO
Just for the record, the show is filmed on Kauai, Hawaii. I've been there twice and it's the gem of the entire chain of islands. Lots of movies have filmed there: JP and Raiders of the Lost Ark are a couple that come to mind.

I agree that Kauai is amazing. I just got back from there less than two weeks ago.

According to the credits, this was filmed on Oahu.

Originally posted by maxman
Actually, it was. The other 40 minutes were commercials.

Not by a long shot. Not even close.

I just finished editing my copy of this week's LOST via the HDTVtoMPEG2 V10C application. Minus commercials, but including intro and outro with closing credits you are looking at 42 min 40 sec of program material.

Total running time for commercials and promos was 17 min 20 sec.

Originally posted by PJO1966
I agree that Kauai is amazing. I just got back from there less than two weeks ago.

According to the credits, this was filmed on Oahu.

I was going to mention that too. I thought it looked a lot like Kauai, but the credits said Oahu.

They may have taken some of the more scenic and broad shots on Kauai, but did the balance of the shooting on Oahu.

Originally posted by sasha_j
Not by a long shot. Not even close.

I just finished editing my copy of this week's LOST via the HDTVtoMPEG2 V10C application. Minus commercials, but including intro and outro with closing credits you are looking at 42 min 40 sec of program material.

Total running time for commercials and promos was 17 min 20 sec.
According to AICN, the entire 2 hour pilot was 83 minutes.

Originally posted by elspankdog
I noticed that too. I thought I might have missed something earlier. I wonder if it was a writing slip-up or if it carries some sort of significance.

Or they told him while on the journey because it was important that their fellow hiker knew some giant beast might eat them.

Originally posted by sasha_j
Not by a long shot. Not even close.

I just finished editing my copy of this week's LOST via the HDTVtoMPEG2 V10C application. Minus commercials, but including intro and outro with closing credits you are looking at 42 min 40 sec of program material.

Total running time for commercials and promos was 17 min 20 sec.

I think it was meant as a joke, although it sure did seem that there were more than 17 minutes of commercials.

Originally posted by Fletch
According to AICN, the entire 2 hour pilot was 83 minutes.

I wonder, though, if because the pilot was split into two one hour shows, if this 83 minutes represents both sets of intros and end credits. I know the credits run during the actual show, but i doubt they did the montage of the previous weeks episode and two sets of closing credits. Even still, that averages out to 18.5 minutes of commercials per hour. With all of that, it sounds about right.

Most sitcoms have eight minutes of commercials, just slightly less than this show on average. I wonder what CSI or ER average.

I think that the commercials really popped out because of the three cuts to commercials in the first twenty minutes of this show, and because its just so damn good!

Ehh... who cares about commercials.... I'm too quick with the remote to FF through them anyways...

Plus it makes sense considering that the 'Pilot' is split in two showings... When they air the whole 2 hour Pilot on Saturday, you'll probably have the same commercial breaks.... so you get a long intro and the last half gets more commercials...

But again, who cares... the show is great!

IIRC, most hour long prime time shows run about 40-45 mins maximum with the rest of the time filled with commercials. It's not un-common to have a run of commercials lasting 4-5 mins sometimes on highly rated programming.

Jim

Originally posted by keenan
IIRC, most hour long prime time shows run about 40-45 mins maximum with the rest of the time filled with commercials. It's not un-common to have a run of commercials lasting 4-5 mins sometimes on highly rated programming.

Jim Especially at the :30 and :45 minute marks where local stations also run commercials in addition to the network breaks.

whatever kate did, it was bad enough for her to try & hide out in australia & for the authorities to go after her. & they also think she's dangerous enough that they needed to shackle her hands AND feet. & she also looked like she knew how to handle a gun, even though she let the iraqi dude "instruct" her on how to empty it.

what about the kid & his father? doesn't seem like they know each other very well. & the kid was telling the terry o'quinn character that he doesn't have an australian accent 'cause he's "moved around a lot." maybe the mother kidnapped the kid & ran away to australia with him to get away from the dad?

Originally posted by NetworkTV
Especially at the :30 and :45 minute marks where local stations also run commercials in addition to the network breaks.

Yeah, it's amazing, you could almost take a quick nap during those breaks. :D

Jim

Maybe this thread should just be renamed "Commercials"? :rolleyes:

Regarding the PQ, I read today that "Lost" is shot on film. 35mm 3-perf, to be specific. There's life in film yet!

Originally posted by kpoon
what about the kid & his father? doesn't seem like they know each other very well. & the kid was telling the terry o'quinn character that he doesn't have an australian accent 'cause he's "moved around a lot." maybe the mother kidnapped the kid & ran away to australia with him to get away from the dad? "Michael (Harold Perrineau) has just gained custody of his nine-year-old son, Walt (Malcolm David Kelley), after the death of his ex-wife — they are a father and son who don't even know each other. "

ron

But Kate did take the time to put an oxygen mask on her guard as the plane was going down. I would think this means she has a good heart.

I think it is odd that the Iraqi would so freely admit to Hurley (is that a fat suit on that guy?) he was in the Republican Guard.

Originally posted by tall1
I think it is odd that the Iraqi would so freely admit to Hurley (is that a fat suit on that guy?) he was in the Republican Guard. It's not that far out to assume some of those Guard members who surrendered to the the Army, Marines and various news crews might have applied for asylum and possibly gained US citizenship. Some may have found it to be the perfect opportunity to defect to the US.

So, it wasn't so odd that he admitted his military record so much as not explaining his circumstances. Perhaps that will come later. Of course, the big guy didn't seem overly rattled by the news (surprised, yes, but not alarmed) so he may not have felt the need to elaborate at that moment.

Thank god I have a HD8000 to record this so I could scan by all those commercials . Yes the Island shots are glorious in HDTV .I think it will take some time to develop the characters and the monster stuff I thought was a little premature.
The Flash back scenes of the crash were very impresive and there hint at this being a lost island full of non indigenous species as in the shot polar bear might explain there reasoning behind the monster approach.

Then there was the radio signal iteration where they fiqured it had been a warning from previously stranded people some 17 years ( i am guessing that fiqure ) earlier and none survived.

I for one am hooked already and hope it does not fall prey to low raitngs death knell.

I see the second show won it's timeslot. The first show was ranked 9 for the week.

Being a reliable anti-authority on public TV taste I have to announce that I am starting to like this show enough to almost guarantee ABC will soon cancel it. :(

- Tom

Originally posted by trbarry
Being a reliable anti-authority on public TV taste I have to announce that I am starting to like this show enough to almost guarantee ABC will soon cancel it. :(

- Tom

We may get lucky with this one if the ratings hold on into the season. Hopefully with the rerun of the 2 hr pilot tonight more people will be hooked. Looks like ABC is doing this one right.

Looks like next week's episode is focused mainly on kate according to tv guide, that can only be a good thing :cool:

Then all HD shows should be shot with 35mm-3perf.I have not seen any shows look this good.Does it cost more to use this film?

I'd like to see a TV show shot with a real HD camera, like what we see on DiscoveryHD Theater.

I think an episode of ER was shot with an HD camera,but I could be mistaken.

Originally posted by maxman
I'd like to see a TV show shot with a real HD camera, like what we see on DiscoveryHD Theater. Several sitcoms are shot with HD video cameras because they shoot multiple camera angles on the fly rather than using a single film camera. The Young and the Restless is also shot with HD video cameras.

Originally posted by Quinton
I think an episode of ER was shot with an HD camera,but I could be mistaken. The only episode shot with video cameras that I know of was the live episode. I'm not sure if that was pre-HD for ER or not, though. I believe ER still uses film - and makes extensive use of the steady-cam for a lot of shots.

I really want to see this show after reading this thread. The two hour pilot replay is being pre-empted by the Gophers college football game here and will air at 11:35. I have no idea how HD programs are delivered to affiliates, but I am afraid that the local station will not show it in HD if it is delayed like this. Does anyone know?

Originally posted by MnGuy
I really want to see this show after reading this thread. The two hour pilot replay is being pre-empted by the Gophers college football game here and will air at 11:35. I have no idea how HD programs are delivered to affiliates, but I am afraid that the local station will not show it in HD if it is delayed like this. Does anyone know? Does your station air it's local news broadcast in HD? You've got a chance if they do because that may mean they at least have HD playback equipment. However, most stations record their syndicated shows off satellite to SD tape - which is how they would tape delay Lost. If they don't air those syndicated shows (3PM - 6PM and 7PM-8PM) in HD, it may mean they'll be running it back in SD.

Is there any city that does local news in HD??

Originally posted by NetworkTV
Does your station air it's local news broadcast in HD? You've got a chance if they do because that may mean they at least have HD playback equipment. However, most stations record their syndicated shows off satellite to SD tape - which is how they would tape delay Lost. If they don't air those syndicated shows (3PM - 6PM and 7PM-8PM) in HD, it may mean they'll be running it back in SD.

They don't broadcast news in HD. I do know that another of our local stations does have HD playback equipment because and does not broadcast their news in HD either. I know they do because last week something scheduled for HD aired in SD and their engineering dept told me they had a problem with their HD playback equipment. I recorded the second episode in HD already, so I can watch the first hour in SD if I have to and the second in HD. I guess we'll see. Thanks for the reply.

Originally posted by shades
Is there any city that does local news in HD?? Not mine, that's for sure. I believe I've seen posts from some people mentioning that one or more of their local stations did their news in HD.

Originally posted by trbarry
Being a reliable anti-authority on public TV taste I have to announce that I am starting to like this show enough to almost guarantee ABC will soon cancel it. :(

- Tom

Every show that I like that was on ABC, always gets cancelled. Alias is the exception. Maybe Lost will be also?

Originally posted by aaronwt
Every show that I like that was on ABC, always gets cancelled. Alias is the exception. Maybe Lost will be also? Well, I like Alias and NYPD Blue - but I also liked Miracles, so it could go either way for me. Of course, Miracles didn't have the breakout numbers that Lost did to start, nor did it get nearly the same amount of promotion.

off topic but:
Originally posted by CPanther95
Raleigh, NC has local news in HD. (and locally produced specials in HD) Yep, that would be CBS WRAL-DT 5-1(53-1) and their sister station FOX WRAZ-DT 50-1(49-1). They both do local news in HD and both use the same news team.

Originally posted by NetworkTV
Well, I like Alias and NYPD Blue - but I also liked Miracles, so it could go either way for me. Of course, Miracles didn't have the breakout numbers that Lost did to start, nor did it get nearly the same amount of promotion.

abc sucks....they aired miracles mid-season and kept pre-empting it during the war..but other networks had regular programming..just lame lame lame

the only promos they did was on the day before it aired(superbowl)

lost was all over the mother mouse's networks..espn,abc etc etc

imo, miracles was better than Lost and would've broken out had it gotten the promotion that Lost got

Originally posted by MnGuy
I really want to see this show after reading this thread. The two hour pilot replay is being pre-empted by the Gophers college football game here and will air at 11:35. I have no idea how HD programs are delivered to affiliates, but I am afraid that the local station will not show it in HD if it is delayed like this. Does anyone know? Well, the good news is that you realized it now. Call you local affiliate and "remind" them.

Originally posted by Fletch
Well, the good news is that you realized it now. Call you local affiliate and "remind" them.

I am less worried about them remembering than I am about the capability.

Originally posted by shades
Is there any city that does local news in HD??
Seattle too. But I don't think there's many outside of Seattle and Raleigh.

Originally posted by MnGuy
I have no idea how HD programs are delivered to affiliates, but I am afraid that the local station will not show it in HD if it is delayed like this. Does anyone know?
A lot of people here in Atlanta are bitching because the CBS affiliate isn't doing HD when the football games run late. Apparently they don't have the equipment to record HD, and therefore can't delay it.

Originally posted by Darin
A lot of people here in Atlanta are bitching because the CBS affiliate isn't doing HD when the football games run late. Apparently they don't have the equipment to record HD, and therefore can't delay it.

That happened here last Sunday, but i was told that it was an equipment problem for them, not a lack of necessary equipment.

We had the SD problem here in Honolulu, too, for both parts of the pilot. For the second half, the switch to HD didn't occur until nearly 40 minutes into the episode! I hope they get it right tonight when they replay the full 2 hours.

I guess we must get our HD feed from Southern California, since that seems to be where most people reported this issue.

For those asking about the filming location, at least part of the filming took place on windward Oahu, at a place called Kualoa Ranch (http://www.kualoa.com/moviesets1.htm). The scene where Jack, Kate, and Charlie are walking through a valley to find the cockpit, should look familiar to anyone who's seen Jurassic Park, Windtalkers, Pearl Harbor, 50 First Dates, Mighty Joe Young, etc... Some of the beach scenes look like they were filmed on the north shore, but I wouldn't be surprised if some filming took place on Kauai or another outer island.

It was better the second time around but i still don't think there will be enough storylines to make it through even one season before resorting to silly monsters

OK, I watched the whole 2 hours again tonight. I noticed something I had missed the first time;

Charlie went into the restroom that was right behind the cockpit before the plane crashed. He dropped his drugs into the bowl and then ran out and strapped himself into a seat that was right outside. That seat was in the nose of the plane where they found the pilot. How did he end up on the beach with the rest of the survivors?

Originally posted by dmbatch
OK, I watched the whole 2 hours again tonight. I noticed something I had missed the first time;

Charlie went into the restroom that was right behind the cockpit before the plane crashed. He dropped his drugs into the bowl and then ran out and strapped himself into a seat that was right outside. That seat was in the nose of the plane where they found the pilot. How did he end up on the beach with the rest of the survivors? I noticed that too. He didn't seem to move back far enough.

But he did go back into the bathroom to get his drugs didn't he?

I looked again. The bathroom he was in was behind 1st class, which was the section that broke away. I guess he still had his drugs with him and went into the bathroom to take the drugs when they were getting the pilot.

I looked again. The bathroom he was in was behind 1st class. First class and forward was the section that broke away and he was sitting behind that section.
I guess he still had his drugs with him and went into the bathroom to take the drugs when they were looking for the transceiver.

I watched the two hour pilot tonight. The PQ and sound were amazing. This show reminded me of Jurassic Park 3, especially when the Jack, Charlie, and the woman go into the cockpit of the plane.

The storylines are somewhat interesting but I don't know if this type of show will make it.

I have been watching Hawaii on Wednesday nights but I might change to Lost this Wednesday.

It reminded me of JP1, especially since some of the scenes looked like they were shot at the same location.

Originally posted by aaronwt
I looked again. The bathroom he was in was behind 1st class. First class and forward was the section that broke away and he was sitting behind that section.
I guess he still had his drugs with him and went into the bathroom to take the drugs when they were looking for the transceiver.

He didn't seem to have any drugs until after he went into the bathroom while the others were dealing with the pilot. I guess he could have had them and just not used them, but he doesn't seem the type to make the trek thru the jungle for no good reason. The drugs would have been a good motivation for him.

I BELIEVE LOST IS FILMED IN HAWAII

Where Jurassic Park 1 was filmed or partially filmed wasn't it?

Originally posted by stryker065
I BELIEVE LOST IS FILMED IN HAWAII Wow, how much of this thread have you actually read?

Good show, shame about the quantity of commercials. They really break the rhythm.

Originally posted by dmbatch
He didn't seem to have any drugs until after he went into the bathroom while the others were dealing with the pilot. I guess he could have had them and just not used them, but he doesn't seem the type to make the trek thru the jungle for no good reason. The drugs would have been a good motivation for him.

Before the crash he was about to flush the drugs down the toilet but never got the chance to, the drugs i guess were still there when he went back to the plane.

Originally posted by CycloneGT
Good show, shame about the quantity of commercials. They really break the rhythm.

Wow, no kidding, I would swear ABC and/or my local affiliate somehow stuffed more commercials into this 2 hour presentation than they did with the previous showings. After returning from a commercial break tonight the fight on the beach was already in full swing it seemed, it that how it was during the original showing?

Some of you guys that recorded all 3 showings, it would be interesting to see if they did in fact increase the commercial time.

Jim

Originally posted by keenan
After returning from a commercial break tonight the fight on the beach was already in full swing it seemed, it that how it was during the original showing?

I do not have it recorded, but that is how I recall the original showing. Fight in full swing, then the other characters coming in and the fight being explained to them.

Troy

Originally posted by keenan
Wow, no kidding, I would swear ABC and/or my local affiliate somehow stuffed more commercials into this 2 hour presentation than they did with the previous showings. After returning from a commercial break tonight the fight on the beach was already in full swing it seemed, it that how it was during the original showing?

Some of you guys that recorded all 3 showings, it would be interesting to see if they did in fact increase the commercial time.

Jim I have it recorded to my PC and the numbers I have if you remove the commercials and previews from last week prior to the 2nd episode: 41:25 of action for the first hour and 39:35 of action for the second hour. 120 minutes of air time and only 80 minutes of action. If this doesn't make the case for a PVR, nothing will.

Originally posted by shades
Before the crash he was about to flush the drugs down the toilet but never got the chance to, the drugs i guess were still there when he went back to the plane.

My point exactly. So when he ran out of the john instead of flushing the drugs he strapped himself into a seat about 10 feet behind the cockpit. So if he was in that section of the plane when it crashed, how did he end up on the beach with everyone else?

He was behind first class. If you look at it again, you can see the section of seats in front of the bathroom and bulkhead as he goes to sit down. It is only a glimpse but if you pause it you will see. That front section was the piece that broke off. He was sitting behind that section.

Originally posted by hongcho
For me, the real interesting thing is that there is no translation for their all Korean dialog. Not only the couple don't understand the rest of the survivors, but the audience don't understand them either. :) Some of the Korean dialogs were a bit strange (too translated), but overall they were okay...............

Hong.

Hong -

What did the Korean woman say to the woman that was bathing (the infamous panty shot)? In context, I thought she was trying to tell her about a fresh water source to bathe, waterfall or something - but apparently not because she seemed to have an idea what she was trying to say, but just nodded and continued.

Any idea?

If this doesn't make the case for a PVR, nothing will.

Fight in full swing, then the other characters coming in and the fight being explained to them.

Thanks guys, a full 1/3 of the airtime was commercials, wow.


CPanther95,
The Biblical reference (40 days) is no accident.

So there must be another polar bear among other animals, or am I thinking of the wrong forty days?

Great show, wish I had a way to record it.

Jim

No idea what "40 Days" they're referring to:

Google result:

Noah's life was transformed by 40 days of rain.
Moses was transformed by 40 days on Mount Sinai.
The spies were transformed by 40 days in the Promised Land.
David was transformed by Goliath's 40-day challenge.
Elijah was transformed when God gave him 40 days of strength from a single meal.
The entire city of Nineveh was transformed when God gave them 40 days to change.
Jesus was empowered by 40 days in the wilderness.
The disciples were transformed by 40 days with Jesus after his resurrection.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Hong -

What did the Korean woman say to the woman that was bathing (the infamous panty shot)? In context, I thought she was trying to tell her about a fresh water source to bathe, waterfall or something - but apparently not because she seemed to have an idea what she was trying to say, but just nodded and continued.

Any idea?

The Korean woman said, “Cover yourself before my husband get election and try make sex with me.” :D

Originally posted by CPanther95
No idea what "40 Days" they're referring to:

Google result:

Noah's life was transformed by 40 days of rain.
Moses was transformed by 40 days on Mount Sinai.
The spies were transformed by 40 days in the Promised Land.
David was transformed by Goliath's 40-day challenge.
Elijah was transformed when God gave him 40 days of strength from a single meal.
The entire city of Nineveh was transformed when God gave them 40 days to change.
Jesus was empowered by 40 days in the wilderness.
The disciples were transformed by 40 days with Jesus after his resurrection.

Perhaps they're going for showing the transformations that can take place from forty days on a wacked out island?

Originally posted by Cliff Watson
The Korean woman said, “Cover yourself before my husband get election and try make sex with me.” :D

So unfunny.

Originally posted by CPanther95
No idea what "40 Days" they're referring to:

Google result:
[list][b]


Well, that should give them plenty of material to work from. :)

Jim

Originally posted by CPanther95
No idea what "40 Days" they're referring to:

Google result:

Noah's life was transformed by 40 days of rain.
Moses was transformed by 40 days on Mount Sinai.
The spies were transformed by 40 days in the Promised Land.
David was transformed by Goliath's 40-day challenge.
Elijah was transformed when God gave him 40 days of strength from a single meal.
The entire city of Nineveh was transformed when God gave them 40 days to change.
Jesus was empowered by 40 days in the wilderness.
The disciples were transformed by 40 days with Jesus after his resurrection.

so they've stumbled upon noah's ark?

but anyway, if anyone else here watches alias, abrams did the same stuff on there..with the page 47, rambaldi and so forth and so forth..a lot of it was pretty silly but we'll see how Lost holds up

Lost looks superb on my Samsung HLN-507W. In fact it looks so good, it raises several questions about some commonly-held HD beliefs:

Several have stated in various forums that some HD artifacts such as pixelization on fast movement, color banding, etc. are unavoidable facts of digital TV and will always be with us. If that's the case, why does Lost look so good (vs some other HD shows)? I can't see any artifacts at all. I'm watching it OTA from WKRN-DT in Nashville via a DirecTV HR10-250.

It seems source material and how that material is made remains a major factor in HD video quality. It's possible that some artifacts attributed to HD display technology, or to the satellite or local network, are actually the result of the source material and how it was prepared.

Does anyone know whether Lost is filmed or recorded with HD video tape, and if so what kind of equipment?

Originally posted by Mike4HDTV
I have been watching Hawaii on Wednesday nights but I might change to Lost this Wednesday.

I've already switched over. I like Hawaii but I'm now TiVoing it and watching Lost in HD.

Originally posted by Cliff Watson
The Korean woman said, “Cover yourself before my husband get election and try make sex with me.” :D

I disagree with the other poster. I did get a good chuckle out of it. I felt guilty about it but still chuckled.

wow just wow

Now this is what HD is about, didn't read the whole thread was too long but Deadwood you got competition.

The previews for this show looked dumb to me, but I gave it a chance on the replay and am just amazed. Sure it takes a little Castaway, Survivor, Jurassic Park, Jaws and even some Beverly Hills 90210 but there somethings in there original too, has good writing, set up characters well and just looks so darn good. When that guy gets eaten up by the engine thats just great filmaking! Everything is shot so well,imo.

Originally posted by PhredC
I disagree with the other poster. I did get a good chuckle out of it. I felt guilty about it but still chuckled.

To be funny, you have to replace "L"s with "R"s not vice versa.

CPanther95,

The Korean woman told Kate that the others were looking for her.

That makes a lot more sense now that I've watched that part again.

Originally posted by CPanther95
To be funny, you have to replace "L"s with "R"s not vice versa.

The only people I’ve heard replace Ls with Rs were drunk GIs trying to sound like hookers.

Next time you’re in Korea request a bar band sing “Rolling on the River”.

"They are re-running the entire pilot on Saturday."

"Thanks for the info. Going to make sure my HDTiVo picks it up."

Yeah, well, unfortunately for those in the Twin Cities who missed one or both of the first two hours, the local ABC affiliate showed Saturday's 2-hour rerun in SD because it was delayed 'til 11:35pm CDT.

It was HD in DC.

HD here

It was HD in Honolulu, and this time, ALL of it was HD! Guess they must have fired the guy who failed to flip the switch last time ;)

A buddy of mine took this photo a couple of weeks ago near Dillingham Field on the north shore of Oahu. I kind of suspected they must have done the wreckage scenes over there, as it's relatively secluded, and the roadway is farther back from the shoreline. There was a guard posted, keeping people away from the set, but you could walk around the perimeter and take photos.

http://radtamc.freeunixhost.com/lost/lost%20wreckage.jpg

HD in South Jersey (Comcast), but the program guide didn't state it.

Originally posted by CPanther95
To be funny, you have to replace "L"s with "R"s not vice versa.

Gosh ... sorry. I have to remember to come to the forum and ask you what I can think is funny from now on. How on earth have I survived all these years? A Chinese friend of mine who told me that an Asian man's favorite day of the year was election day must have gotten it totally wrong.

I just read that LOST was the most expensive pilot ever filmed, at more than $5 million - $250,000 just to ship the wrecked plane pieces to Hawaii.

Originally posted by CycloneGT
Good show, shame about the quantity of commercials. They really break the rhythm.

I noticed this in the second episode. The first episode seems to fly by with commercials maybe every 20 minutes. The second seemed like it had commercials every 10 minutes. Kind of how American Idol takes a 15 minute results show and stretches it over an hour by adding like 50 minutes of commercials!

Originally posted by aaronwt
I just read that LOST was the most expensive pilot ever filmed, at more than $5 million - $250,000 just to ship the wrecked plane pieces to Hawaii.
I don't think that's correct. Fox's Firefly pilot was supposed to be around $10 million. An article in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin mentions that Lost is the most expensive pilot ABC/Disney has ever produced, though, confirming both the budget you mentioned and the expense of shipping the remnants of the plane over.

Correct translation of the French distress message:
"it is outside, they are all dead, please help us". And then "If anyone hears this,I'll try to reach the black rock".

Originally posted by Adam Tyner
I don't think that's correct. Fox's Firefly pilot was supposed to be around $10 million.

Hmmm, all the reports I had read about the Firefly pilot put it at about $3 million. I can't see any network risking $10 million on a pilot with no guarantee of success.

I live in Los angeles (actually san fernando valley) and watched LOST in HDTV! I dont go through cable because adelphia does not have HDTV in my area. I use OTA HDTV and reception is great!

Originally posted by archiguy
Hmmm, all the reports I had read about the Firefly pilot put it at about $3 million. I can't see any network risking $10 million on a pilot with no guarantee of success.
Dunno where you read those numbers, but I'm pretty sure they're wrong. I'm not able to find any websites substantiating that, at least. An article in USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/2002/2002-04-04-pilots.htm) states "Firefly (Fox), a space drama from Buffy's Joss Whedon and the year's most expensive pilot, at $10 million", and the $10 mil figure seems to be widely quoted in the fan community. I'd have to listen to the commentary on the pilot again, but I seem to recall Joss Whedon mentioning the $10 million figure in there too. Although that's a very large number, I'd imagine the thought was that expense would be amortized over the course of the series since so many of the CGI models, sets, costumes, etc. could be reused for future episodes. Cast member Alan Tudyk (http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/530/530775p1.html) said "We made the first pilot, which was a two-hour pilot for Firefly, for 12 million." Even the lowest-end figure I could find (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CVQ/is_2002_Oct_1/ai_92260558/pg_2) lists a $6 million budget.

Originally posted by Adam Tyner
An article in USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/2002/2002-04-04-pilots.htm) states "Firefly (Fox), a space drama from Buffy's Joss Whedon and the year's most expensive pilot, at $10 million", and the $10 mil figure seems to be widely quoted in the fan community. That article is amazing to read 2 years later. The only show I think that is still on the air is CSI: Miami. And gawd knows how that show stays on the air.

Hey! i like CSI: Miami. Plus the HD is the best of the CSI shows since it is mostly daylight, unlike the original CSI which has more night shots. Although I like the original CSI best.

The report I read re: LOST mentioned a $10 Millon budget, and also mentioned the $250,000 cost to relocate the wreckage to Hawaii.

Originally posted by aaronwt
Hey! i like CSI: Miami. Plus the HD is the best of the CSI shows since it is mostly daylight, unlike the original CSI which has more night shots. Although I like the original CSI best. I like it too for the reasons you mentioned plus the hysterical over-acting of Caruso. But I wouldn't even bother if it was SD or I didn't have an HDTV. Much like Lost, (except this show is great) HD movtivated me to watch.

Originally posted by dmbatch
It was HD in DC.

Yeah, but not in 5.1 DD. Tune to WMAR-DT Baltimore, for the total "LOST" experience. The surround is amazing.

Originally posted by jdm1
Lost looks superb on my Samsung HLN-507W. In fact it looks so good, it raises several questions about some commonly-held HD beliefs:

Several have stated in various forums that some HD artifacts such as pixelization on fast movement, color banding, etc. are unavoidable facts of digital TV and will always be with us. If that's the case, why does Lost look so good (vs some other HD shows)? I can't see any artifacts at all. I'm watching it OTA from WKRN-DT in Nashville via a DirecTV HR10-250.

It seems source material and how that material is made remains a major factor in HD video quality. It's possible that some artifacts attributed to HD display technology, or to the satellite or local network, are actually the result of the source material and how it was prepared.

Does anyone know whether Lost is filmed or recorded with HD video tape, and if so what kind of equipment?

Commonly-held HD belief:

1080i is superior to 720P, Higher numbers = better quality

As your observation points out, this is clearly not the case.

Within the context of a 19 mbs OTA bandwidth allocation that we have to work within, 720P is the better choice as it handles motion better and is less effected by compression.

When compared to resolution, compression is, by far, a bigger overall determiner of signal quality.

720P is also more multicast friendly. My local ABC affiliate, WMAR-DT Baltimore has 3 channels during prime time:

2.1 HD with 5.1 DD
2.2 SD (upconverted from analog feed)
2.3 Doppler Radar map

- and manages to output a smokin' signal on 2.1, something you could never do with 1080i which is more of a bandwidth hog.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Correct translation of the French distress message:
Just curious, did you get this from TVTome, or have you confirmed it with another source? IMO, TVTome in general has a lot of misinformation.

Originally posted by everton4
Man I thought the LOTR trilogy might kick start Dominic Monaghan's acting career. Just a bit surprised to seem him doing this..but not a bad start to the programme.


**********SPOILER ALERT********** (in case you haven't seen in yet!)


Anyone else think that the pilot wouldn't survive too long after regaining conciousness - especially the way he was inching towards the window. They had to kill off the only person who could perhaps more easily get help thus prolonging the story line - and the programme.

I knew he was dead the moment I recognized him from Alias...no way he's jumping off that bandwagon :-)

Originally posted by drsimnal
It was only an hour here. Did I miss something (besides 5.1 since our stupid affiliate can't figure it out).

I think they're no longer on earth (as we know it). The previews for next episode had the transceiver picking up a broadcast that wasn't English. I think that's why no one will find them and will explain weird monsters. Maybe it's like the creature in that Predator movie and can't be seen well. Freaky. What a great show for ABC!

SPOILER? Highlight text to read....

If you watched ep 2, you saw that one of the creatures was a POLAR bear...very odd. Until you watch the ep again and notice there is a polar bear in the comic book that the little kid found. I think the creatures may be coming from the imaginations of the castaways themselvs. My 2cents!

Commonly-held HD belief:

1080i is superior to 720P, Higher numbers = better quality

As your observation points out, this is clearly not the case.His observation had nothing to do with which format is superior. Higher resolution does equal better quality, assuming there is adequate bandwidth to support it. On the other hand, all the bandwidth in the world can not give 720p the depth of detail that 1080i has.

__________________________________


It was interesting to watch the pilot episodes over again. Picked up on numerous things that were obvious on the second watching that just went right by the first time. Like when Kate first comes wandering by Jack and he asks her to help sew him up. She's rubbing her wrists where the recently removed handcuffs came off... And some quick camera shots of her facial reactions when the group is talking about the Marshal held much more meaning the second time around.

I can't believe how many people continue to wring their hands about cancellation. The show is doing great numbers. Unless the quality totally goes down hill from the pilot it should be fine. Someone commented a page or two back that they liked Miracles better than Lost. I thought Miracles had a great pilot show. It looked great and had a good premise but to me it was really inconsistent once it got into the regular shows and lost much of the good production values shown in the pilot too. Hopefully Lost will not follow the same path. I guess we'll get some kind of idea in a couple days...

ron

Originally posted by gkurcon
I didn't pick him out until last night, but realized it as soon as he started talking to the kid. Here's another one for you, what's up with the Japanese guy? During the first episode he's telling his wife to basically ignore all the others, then last night he's going around serving sushi?? What is he up to?

They are both Korean, not Japanese. But I agree something is off with those two, and I'm not convinced they are even husband/wife

Originally posted by Cliff Watson
The Korean woman said, “Cover yourself before my husband get election and try make sex with me.” :D

VERY LAME

Originally posted by jdm1
Lost looks superb on my Samsung HLN-507W. In fact it looks so good, it raises several questions about some commonly-held HD beliefs:

Several have stated in various forums that some HD artifacts such as pixelization on fast movement, color banding, etc. are unavoidable facts of digital TV and will always be with us. If that's the case, why does Lost look so good (vs some other HD shows)? I can't see any artifacts at all. I'm watching it OTA from WKRN-DT in Nashville via a DirecTV HR10-250.

It seems source material and how that material is made remains a major factor in HD video quality. It's possible that some artifacts attributed to HD display technology, or to the satellite or local network, are actually the result of the source material and how it was prepared.

Does anyone know whether Lost is filmed or recorded with HD video tape, and if so what kind of equipment?

It was posted earlier that Lost is shot on film. Therefore, it is a post-processing transfer to HD. ABC uses 720p as their standard, and all other things being equal, there would be less occurrence of motion induced artifacts with this format than with 1080i.

Originally posted by R11
His observation had nothing to do with which format is superior. Higher resolution does equal better quality, assuming there is adequate bandwidth to support it. On the other hand, all the bandwidth in the world can not give 720p the depth of detail that 1080i has.
ron

I stand by my statement.

"Within the context of a 19 mbs OTA bandwidth allocation" is the key phrase here and you seem to repeat this when you write that

"assuming there is adequate bandwidth to support it"

Unfortunately, there is not. We are stuck with 19 mbs and it is my contention that within this world, compression is a much bigger factor than resolution in final PQ outcome.

In a 19 mbs OTA world (less with DBS and Cable BTW) 720P is the better choice because 1080i needs more bandwith to prevent macroblocking and other artifacts. If you are in a non-broadcast (ie, close circuit or post) environment, sure, 1080i at 45 or 100 mbs is killer. I would not argue that.

In the real world though, with economic, bandwidth, broadcast standards and end-user restraints, 19 mbs is the brick wall, not resolution, something all 1080i supporters seem to routinely forget.

Interlacing schemes are one of the oldest technological hacks in the world and not worthy of our consideration.

Until 1080P becomes economically viable for distro, 720P is the format of choice.

Hounsfield said:
... Guess they must have fired the guy who failed to flip the switch last time ;)It would be great if the bosses took HD that seriously. But I suspect that many of the "guys who fail to flip the switch" are unpaid interns. Sure they'd be easy to fire, but why?

I didn't know this thread existed! I love this show so far. It's so refreshing compared to all the typical reality shows and the 14 different versions of CSI! I hope its popular enough to not get cancelled like every other show in history I ever liked :).


Johnny

Originally posted by drunkpenguin
I didn't know this thread existed! I love this show so far. It's so refreshing compared to all the typical reality shows and the 14 different versions of CSI! I hope its popular enough to not get cancelled like every other show in history I ever liked :).


Johnny

Hmmmm - all this speculation about a giant psycho penguin on the island, and now a drunk penguin shows up in this thread?? Coincidence? I think NOT!

:D

Originally posted by chief17
What is the deal with the funny looking guy form the band? You think he had something to do with the plane crash?
Only if stupidity alone can bring down a plane :D.

OTA PQ in Hartford, CT was FANTASTIC :cool:

> What did the Korean woman say to the woman that was bathing (the infamous panty shot)?

Kind of late for a reply, but Sun was saying "People are looking for you over there" to Kate. :)

Hong.

> They are both Korean, not Japanese. But I agree something is off with those two, and I'm not convinced they are even husband/wife

That I am not certain either, but I think they are a couple. Anyway, in the episode 5 (if you count the splitted pilot separately), the couple will have their background storyline (which is going to be in Korean with English subtitles).

EDIT: The above is from what I read in an interview with Yunjin Kim in a Korean newspaper. I have not seen unaired episodes nor have I heard it from Supernova. :p

Hong.

Originally posted by sasha_j
I stand by my statement.

"Within the context of a 19 mbs OTA bandwidth allocation" is the key phrase here and you seem to repeat this when you write that

"assuming there is adequate bandwidth to support it"

Unfortunately, there is not. We are stuck with 19 mbs and it is my contention that within this world, compression is a much bigger factor than resolution in final PQ outcome.

In a 19 mbs OTA world (less with DBS and Cable BTW) 720P is the better choice because 1080i needs more bandwith to prevent macroblocking and other artifacts. If you are in a non-broadcast (ie, close circuit or post) environment, sure, 1080i at 45 or 100 mbs is killer. I would not argue that.

In the real world though, with economic, bandwidth, broadcast standards and end-user restraints, 19 mbs is the brick wall, not resolution, something all 1080i supporters seem to routinely forget.

Interlacing schemes are one of the oldest technological hacks in the world and not worthy of our consideration.

Until 1080P becomes economically viable for distro, 720P is the format of choice. Oh I'm not forgetting anything sasha. 18-19mbs is adequate bandwidth for 1080i :rolleyes:. I've watched tons of fast action sports on full bandwidth 1080i over the last three years that was artifact free and pristine. My point with the adequate bandwidth statement was primarily referring to the presence of subchannels. From some of your comments you appear to be one of those "anti-interlacing" zealots to me...

ron

On IMDB they reported last week that the LOST pilot cost $12 million.

I had the opportunity to see a 720P signal generator through DVI to my BenQ 8700 FP. It was incredible what kind of image is put out without any compression. I could walk up to the screen and see that each pixel was perfect. The blacks were 100% solid to the pixel, with ZERO dithering.

I had this opportunity because my ISF guy came out with the generator.

Why am I saying all of this? Two reasons-1. 720P actually requires almost the same bandwidth than 1080i, however 1080i and 540p essentially refresh the image at the same rate, and 720>540, meaning that in any given frame the image will have greater detail in a 720P picture. Of course, 1080P is much better than either 720 or 1080. Furthermore, matching the signal to a display that has the same scan rate is essential. Interlacing was developed, and is still used, as a type of compression. Originally, they didn't know how they would broadcast "so much" information, and they decided to do interlaced, because then the requirements were 50% of the original.


2-the reason that the guy who has the samsung say such a great image was because ABC (as someone else already posted) is broadcasting in 720P, and the samsung is 720P. Because you are getting it OTA, you are avoiding a lot of the MPEG compression that you would get with other channels through your satellite. The MPEG compression and the artifacts associated with that are the biggest detriment to an image that you will come across. MPEG 2 is about a 50:1 compression. Thats a lot of compression right there! It works by only updating the parts of the image that change from the previous frame, but it doesn't do so perfectly. Furthermore, the processors that are decoding the information are often weak chains in the link with only 8bit procession of the information.

Originally posted by R11
Oh From some of your comments you appear to be one of those "anti-interlacing" zealots to me...

ron

Perhaps.

But I was unaware that anyone could possibly be "pro-interlacing". Other than CRT manufacturers and others with vested interests (read-those who bet on the wrong horse)

William F. Schreiber, former Director of the Advanced Television Research Program at MIT - "I have a hunch that the continued advocacy of interlaced equipment originates from foreign-owned consumer electronics companies that are trying to get back the substantial investments they foolishly made in obsolete technology."

Dr Alvy Ray Smith says it better than I ever could.

http://alvyray.com/DigitalTV/default.htm

1. 720P actually requires much more bandwidth than 1080i.This is not true. You are forgetting about the 60/30.But I was unaware that anyone could possibly be "pro-interlacing".I am not pro-interlacing. I am "pro-best image" based on what we have now. 720p does not have sufficient detail compared with 1080i. 1080p would be an improvement over both. All of this is off topic for this thread anyway.

ron

Let's not go there people, please.
"Lost" is the subject.

I can't wait to see the next episode.

Originally posted by sbddvm

I can't wait to see the next episode.

Same here

That was a great webpage link you posted sasha. a little over the top with the renaming thing, maybe, but all in all a very informative read. thanks.

only 2 episodes and over 400 replies, wow

Originally posted by sbddvm
Let's not go there people, please.
"Lost" is the subject.

I can't wait to see the next episode.

Agreed - let's stay on topic.

But I will say this (Moderator's Privilege :) ) If all 1080i sports looked like the last Super Bowl on CBS, and all scripted shows looked like LOST - it would render moot the whole debate.

Originally posted by GrantMeThePower
..the reason that the guy who has the samsung say such a great image was because ABC (as someone else already posted) is broadcasting in 720P, and the samsung is 720P. Because you are getting it OTA, you are avoiding a lot of the MPEG compression that you would get with other channels through your satellite....I agree that theoretically 720p OTA should be optimal for a 720p display. But there must be other source material factor(s) that significantly affect the final PQ.

E.g, I've seen other OTA 720p shows on ABC and Fox which didn't look so good. By contrast I've seen some 1080i shows via D* satellite which looked great.

Maybe since much of Lost is outdoors, the high scene illumination helps. Or maybe it's not filmed but recorded directly to HD videotape, and maybe less impressive shows (whether 720p or 1080i) are poor quality telecine conversions. Or if using HD videotape, maybe they're using better HD cameras. There are a variety HD cameras available, each having specific cost/feature tradeoffs. The Lost PQ is so impressive it would be interesting to know the specifics.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Agreed - let's stay on topic.

But I will say this (Moderator's Privilege :) ) If all 1080i sports looked like the last Super Bowl on CBS, and all scripted shows looked like LOST - it would render moot the whole debate.

I'm really just a happy camper with all the choices, especially now that Fox is doing HD sports. ESPN NFL Primetime has the majority of their highlights in HD now, games are in HD, primetown shows in HD, plus the HD channels like HBO, Discovery, INHD, etc. Compared to the wasteland of 1 year ago, the current situation rocks :-)

Looking forward to Episode 3 of Lost this Wednesday.

Originally posted by jdm1
Or maybe it's not filmed but recorded directly to HD videotape

From this thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4437613&highlight=shot+on+film#post4437613

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4449640&highlight=shot+on+film#post4449640

OK, understood Lost is shot on 35mm film.

Originally posted by jdm1
OK, understood Lost is shot on 35mm film.

:D

Hey does anybody know what type of camera Lost is filmed with? :)


Johnny

I think I read somewhere that it's shot on VHS-C. With a handy adaptor you can play it in your VCR.

I thought it was on Beta-Max.... :)

Anyways... I enjoyed re-watching the 2 hour 'Pilot' on Saturday... it was cool to see the subtle things you'd never notice the first time through....

Two more days 'til episode 3!

BTW, I can't imagine that the Polar Bear was the thing knocking over the trees and such... the first 'contact' with the creature gave much more of an impression of a huge beast.... but I could be wrong...

I also picked up on all the foreshadowing the second time around. As someone earlier pointed out:

- Kate is rubbing her wrists the first time we see her, and her concern/reaction regarding the marshall.

- When they show the comic book Walt is looking at the first thing you see is a big Polar Bear

- Charlie's eagerness to go and find the cockpit, etc.

I also really liked the idea someone mentioned earlier where maybe these things are coming from their imaginations.

Originally posted by Vlad_Dracule
I also picked up on all the foreshadowing the second time around. As someone earlier pointed out:

- Kate is rubbing her wrists the first time we see her, and her concern/reaction regarding the marshall.

- When they show the comic book Walt is looking at the first thing you see is a big Polar Bear

- Charlie's eagerness to go and find the cockpit, etc.

I also really liked the idea someone mentioned earlier where maybe these things are coming from their imaginations.

Intersting idea...

We really could use a better version of Sphere !

sorry if i'm wavering off topic here..

this show has restored an unbelievable amount of credibility to ABC...those of you who follow the tv scene(execs getting fired, problems on basically every night, etc etc) know what i'm talking about

there is a ripple effect..obviously people that tuned in to Lost tuned in to Desperate Housewives also..ABC is back in the top 10 with lost and DH now..amazing

too bad the previous management never had any faith to promote their shows as much as the new management did with these two shows

too bad the previous management never had any faith to promote their shows as much as the new management did with these two shows

Are they under new management? I don't remeber a shakeup, but I don't follow these things closely. How did the pilot do on Saturday?

Originally posted by Robert Clark
Interesting idea...

We really could use a better version of Sphere !
Anyone remember that old episode of Star Trek TOS, I think it was called Shore Leave? Computers under the planet's surface were reading the crew's thoughts and generating them into reality.

Anyway, I think I read somewhere that J.J. Abrams is a fan of Crichton, so maybe there's some credibility to the Sphere theory (although I hope not, as IMO, that was one of his weaker novels). The beginning of 'Lost' certainly had me thinking of Crichton's Airframe. And the main character is a doctor...

Originally posted by Hounsfield
Anyone remember that old episode of Star Trek TOS, I think it was called Shore Leave? Computers under the planet's surface were reading the crew's thoughts and generating them into reality.

Anyway, I think I read somewhere that J.J. Abrams is a fan of Crichton, so maybe there's some credibility to the Sphere theory (although I hope not, as IMO, that was one of his weaker novels). The beginning of 'Lost' certainly had me thinking of Crichton's Airframe. And the main character is a doctor...

I'm the guy who brought up the imagination thing...I had that Trek episode in mind when I thought of it, but I had forgotten about Sphere (very forgettable book and movie, so who can blame me? :-) The Trek episode was fun, McCoy 'died' so noone was able to say 'he's dead Jim' :-) Turned out he was alive and drinking margaritas with ET hotties.

Hopefully we'll find out more tomorrow.

Originally posted by Iteki
I'm the guy who brought up the imagination thing...I had that Trek episode in mind when I thought of it, but I had forgotten about Sphere (very forgettable book and movie, so who can blame me? :-) The Trek episode was fun, McCoy 'died' so noone was able to say 'he's dead Jim' :-) Turned out he was alive and drinking margaritas with ET hotties.

Hopefully we'll find out more tomorrow.

the movie Solaris (original and remake) explores something similar. a planet that turns your thoughts/feelings/memories into reality.

problem with these mystery plots is no matter how they turn out you're bound to be disappointed. i wonder if they actually have something concrete in mind or will just make it up as they go along and hope to be cancelled before they have to do a reveal.

Originally posted by barth2k
i wonder if they actually have something concrete in mind or will just make it up as they go along and hope to be cancelled before they have to do a reveal.

judging by alias, abrams probably has it planned out through season 2 or 3.

I can't imagine Solaris and Sphere inspired anything this good (so far) :)

The dog and Polar bear could both fit into that plot line. My first thought was why wouldn't they "imagine" the loved ones lost in the plane crash - then I couldn't think of an example of anyone who mentioned losing someone close in the crash.

The woman who was sitting next to Jack in the plane lost her husband. He was in the toilet at the time of the crash.

Well, time to throw in my 2 cents after reading these posts.

First, let me say that Lost is one of - no, THE best use of HDTV and surround sound currently on the air, followed closely by MNF. The PQ is awesome and the program makes great use of the LFE. I've recorded Saturday's 2 hour broadcast and use it to show off what HD is like when I have guests over who don't know much about HDTV.

As for the storyline, I read a post somewhere about how will the producers carry on the series beyond one season. How long can this plot go on as is? Sooner or later the creatures will be revealed and so will each character's hidden secrets. What then?

My theory: this show will be something along the lines of Stargate. Perhaps a time-warp portal thereby opening up a plethora of plot lines. Plus it would explain the creature thingy.

Any other theories?

Originally posted by Rakesh.S
too bad the previous management never had any faith to promote their shows as much as the new management did with these two shows

Right. R.I.P. Karen Sisco - well done, clever writing, hot lead - deserved a better fate.

"Modern Day Gilligans Island". :D -with special effects. Eventually they will want to leave right? I think the fat kid will be the clumsy gilligan, the dr is the professor, the pilot was the skipper but he died. pick a couple of the women for sex appeal, and the rest are just extras who die off 1 by 1 each episode.


Johnny

Originally posted by PJO1966
The woman who was sitting next to Jack in the plane lost her husband. He was in the toilet at the time of the crash.

but in last week's previews of this week's show, she says something like, "my husband is alive."

I happened to really like Sphere. The movie was pathetic, but the book was outstanding. Especially the end, when you realize how screwed they still are ;). That said, I really hope this isn't where Lost is going.

The problem I have with the imagination thing is the kid and the father appear to be the ones who saw the comic book. If he or the father had been on the trek with the radio (or if the polar bear had come to the camp) I'd believe this theory a little more. It just stands to reason that the hallucinations, etc. would appear somewhere near the person who is having them.

I suppose it's possible that the thoughts of the people simply place elements on the island to run willy-nilly, but what's the fun in hallucinating if you can't enjoy the experience yourself?

Originally posted by CPanther95
[B
The dog and Polar bear could both fit into that plot line. [/B]

Has anyone asked why the dog is maintaining it's distance from the people? Why wouldn't it just run out to where they are at? I think the dog senses something peculiar about them...

Jim

*whispers*
"I see dead people"

:D

Originally posted by NetworkTV
*whispers*
"I see dead people"

:D

That's it!!

And with a dogs incredible sense of smell, he knooooows their dead. :D :D

On a serious note, maybe that's why he's staying away from the beach, there has to be a fair amount of corpses starting to get ripe in that environment.

Jim

Originally posted by NetworkTV
The problem I have with the imagination thing is the kid and the father appear to be the ones who saw the comic book. If he or the father had been on the trek with the radio (or if the polar bear had come to the camp) I'd believe this theory a little more. It just stands to reason that the hallucinations, etc. would appear somewhere near the person who is having them.


I guess you've never seen Forbidden Planet. The manifestation of the guys id traveled quite a bit.

Originally posted by NetworkTV
The problem I have with the imagination thing is the kid and the father appear to be the ones who saw the comic book. If he or the father had been on the trek with the radio (or if the polar bear had come to the camp) I'd believe this theory a little more. It just stands to reason that the hallucinations, etc. would appear somewhere near the person who is having them.

I suppose it's possible that the thoughts of the people simply place elements on the island to run willy-nilly, but what's the fun in hallucinating if you can't enjoy the experience yourself?

Why would proximity factor into it? But it's a point to consider. I'll rewatch that part of the pilot and see if the two events (kid and his comic) and the sighting of the polar bear are at least close in terms of timeline if not distance.

Originally posted by PJO1966
I guess you've never seen Forbidden Planet. The manifestation of the guys id traveled quite a bit.
Originally posted by Iteki
Why would proximity factor into it? But it's a point to consider. I'll rewatch that part of the pilot and see if the two events (kid and his comic) and the sighting of the polar bear are at least close in terms of timeline if not distance. Very good points. It's possible that the kid saw the comic book with the polar bear and thought "it would be cool to see one of those" and one appeared on the island - only on the part where the excavation party was in. The comic book is part of this - that part is almost certainly true. But I don't think we've hit on why yet.

The comic book also shows a research facility or lab of some sort. Perhaps that is where the signal is coming from - and the key to all of this. Some kind of research accident, perhaps? That could explain the plane crash, the unusual animal sightings and sounds and why such an apparently large creature has so far gone unseen.

Then again, maybe what I just wrote is BS. There's cerainly another way for all this to be happening - refer to my last post above.

If we only heard the Polar bear speak, we'd know. If he speaks spanish, it's definitely from the comic. :)_

Originally posted by CPanther95
If we only heard the Polar bear speak, we'd know. If he speaks spanish, it's definitely from the comic. :)_

With the voice of Eddie Murphy...:D

Jim

OWWCH, I've been shot.

Originally posted by Dynot

As for the storyline, I read a post somewhere about how will the producers carry on the series beyond one season. How long can this plot go on as is? Sooner or later the creatures will be revealed and so will each character's hidden secrets. What then?


I'm thinking that all but 1 or 2 characters will be killed off this season, and at the start of next season another plane will crash or a cruiseliner will sink, forcing passengers to the island. They will encounter at some point the 1 or 2 remaining survivors from this season, who happened to have been stranded on this island for 16 years by then

Originally posted by barth2k
i wonder if they actually have something concrete in mind or will just make it up as they go along and hope to be cancelled before they have to do a reveal.

I can't imagine that they wouldn't have the end game already in mind, but what the hell do I know. That's exactly what seemed to happen to Twin Peaks. Let's hope Lost doesn't turn into a Twin Peaks type of fiasco for the second season where they wander into the absurd. David Lynch isn't connected to Lost is he? :)

I'm still not convinced that Lost is science fiction yet. I won't be surprised if everything that's happened, or has been hinted at so far, will have a somewhat logical explanation.

Originally posted by NorthJersey
I'm thinking that all but 1 or 2 characters will be killed off this season, and at the start of next season another plane will crash or a cruiseliner will sink, forcing passengers to the island. They will encounter at some point the 1 or 2 remaining survivors from this season, who happened to have been stranded on this island for 16 years by then

When I first read this I thought no...can't happen. Don't think that the producers or cast members would want to go through all that trouble of aging the characters for 16 years. Will Kate look as attractive as she does now? Probably will for a 40-year-old like me but TV-land demands young hotties.

Then I remembered the preggie and the little kid named Walt and your thinking is starting to look good.

Originally posted by scolumbo
David Lynch isn't connected to Lost is he? :)



No, but the "Lost" logo that's flashed at the beginning is very much like the title graphics used for Lynch's "Lost Highway" movie. A movie which the meaning of will only be revealed after a Freedom of Information act 100 yrs from now. :D :D

Jim

Originally posted by CPanther95
We already know the entire first season will encompass only 40 days real time. I don't think aging will be an issue.

The only aging I want to see is Kate getting a nice, all-over tan! :D

Originally posted by NetworkTV
Very good points. It's possible that the kid saw the comic book with the polar bear and thought "it would be cool to see one of those" and one appeared on the island - only on the part where the excavation party was in. The comic book is part of this - that part is almost certainly true. But I don't think we've hit on why yet.

The comic book also shows a research facility or lab of some sort. Perhaps that is where the signal is coming from - and the key to all of this. Some kind of research accident, perhaps? That could explain the plane crash, the unusual animal sightings and sounds and why such an apparently large creature has so far gone unseen.

We talked about this earlier (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4429989&#post4429989) in the thread. Somebody went through the trouble of translating the spanish dialog in the comic book. It describes bad events that happened 50 years ago. Think Bikini island.

I also think the old guy may have known his fate before boarding the plane.

Originally posted by scolumbo
.....
I'm still not convinced that Lost is science fiction yet. I won't be surprised if everything that's happened, or has been hinted at so far, will have a somewhat logical explanation.

You think that the way the pilot was killed may have a logical explanation?

I agree that the comic book and probably the little boy as well are going to be the key to the story line. He said he moved around a lot, his mother died, and he was in a plane crash. Now, he is on an island with strange creatures. Seems like a lot of coincidences to me.

Who knows! That's why I dig this show so much.

Originally posted by keenan
No, but the "Lost" logo that's flashed at the beginning is very much like the title graphics used for Lynch's "Lost Highway" movie. A movie which the meaning of will only be revealed after a Freedom of Information act 100 yrs from now. :D :D

Jim

I knew that logo seemed familiar. lol.

You think that the way the pilot was killed may have a logical explanation?

Like I said, what the hell do I know. Maybe the entire show is just a figment of the kid's imagination.

Originally posted by sbddvm
You think that the way the pilot was killed may have a logical explanation?



How, exactly was he killed? (Been watching too much CSI :p )

All I remember seeing was a lot of blood on his chest and face, did he appear do have any open wounds?

And what sort of animal kills and then leaves it? I can think of only one...

Jim :)

Originally posted by maxman
I'd like to see a TV show shot with a real HD camera, like what we see on DiscoveryHD Theater.

Not sure about ER, but an episode of West Wing was done with HD Video. The PQ ended up looking like a documentary, luckily that was the intention for that paticular episode...

Is the show going to be on tomorrow i could have sworn i heard that the president was making a speech tomorrow, maybe i heard wrong

So far it seems like it's going to be on.

Originally posted by shades
Is the show going to be on tomorrow i could have sworn i heard that the president was making a speech tomorrow, maybe i heard wrong
He is - I think at 8pm. Anyone heard whether the major networks are going to carry the speech yet?

Originally posted by shades
Is the show going to be on tomorrow i could have sworn i heard that the president was making a speech tomorrow, maybe i heard wrong

If you're thinking of the next Presidental Debate, it's scheduled for Friday at 9:00 PM.

I guess i was not hearing things :mad:

Let's keep on topic.

Originally posted by drsimnal
Are they under new management? I don't remeber a shakeup, but I don't follow these things closely. How did the pilot do on Saturday?

that lady susan lynne or whatever her name is got fired along with another exec..she was one of the dolts that canned miracles and veritas the quest 5 eps in

and she was also the one that promised that karen sisco would be back in march and then said it was canceled

two new people replaced them and they have committed to developing dramas

the pilot won the night for ABC on saturday...pretty remarkable because it was a rerun..word of mouth is likely spreading

I've seen several people comment on how great the 5.1 audio is on this show. I had a bunch of people over for TV night last night, and while we were watching, I couldn't even tell if my rear channels were working. I thought something may have been wrong with my system, but with everyone over, I didn't mess with it. I just replayed a couple of the turbulance scenes, both from Saturday night's episode, and Wednesday's episode (the 2nd episode by itself). While I am getting a 5.1 signal from my local affiliate, the rears are extremely low. And the vast majority of it was in the rear center, suggesting that the rears was mono, or at least had very little seperation (I keep EX decoding on all the time). I've checked other programs, and my surround is fine... it's specifically Lost. Is anyone else experiencing very low surround levels? Is my local affiliate somehow messing up the audio? It doesn't sound "bad", it's just that the surrounds are not very active, as I would expect them to be in the more intense scenes.

:(

My recollection is that music and environmental sound effects (rain, leaves blowing, etc.) were noticeable in rears, and scene-specific sounds (like the flying debris from the exploding engines in the first ep) were definitely there. But, for the most part, it was the generous use of LFE that made this show sound "real" to me.

Originally posted by Dynot
When I first read this I thought no...can't happen. Don't think that the producers or cast members would want to go through all that trouble of aging the characters for 16 years. Will Kate look as attractive as she does now? Probably will for a 40-year-old like me but TV-land demands young hotties.

Then I remembered the preggie and the little kid named Walt and your thinking is starting to look good.
What if the island exists outside of the normal space/time continiuum? And nobody on the island ages at all?

Originally posted by PJO1966
I guess you've never seen Forbidden Planet. The manifestation of the guys id traveled quite a bit. I just noticed it's coming up on Turner Classic Movies this Saturday. I have it set to record. I kept meaning to see it anyway.

Originally posted by CPanther95
We already know the entire first season will encompass only 40 days real time. I don't think aging will be an issue.

This doesn't mean there won't be an aging process in between the first and second season.