Originally posted by WallDive
After noticing several present-day cars in the parking lot when Locke was chasing his mother, I'm thinking that the events on the island are not present-day, but several years in the future. I seem to recall a calendar on the wall when Michael was in the hospital that was dated 2001? and he mentioned it was Walt's 2nd birthday. I'm not sure what Walt's age is now, but it seems to indicate that Lost is taking place several years from now.

Can someone confirm what the date on the calendar was, it was in the "Special" episode back in January.

Originally posted by WallDive
After noticing several present-day cars in the parking lot when Locke was chasing his mother, I'm thinking that the events on the island are not present-day, but several years in the future. I seem to recall a calendar on the wall when Michael was in the hospital that was dated 2001? and he mentioned it was Walt's 2nd birthday. I'm not sure what Walt's age is now, but it seems to indicate that Lost is taking place several years from now.

Can someone confirm what the date on the calendar was, it was in the "Special" episode back in January.

Walt told Sawyer how old he was in one episode (I believe 10). I think with the Homeland Security and Harry Potter referances Lost is suppose to be set in the present day.

And that the "Red Sox will never win the pennant" should squarely put them in the present day and no later.

Originally posted by Deric
Walt told Sawyer how old he was in one episode (I believe 10). I think with the Homeland Security and Harry Potter references Lost is suppose to be set in the present day.

That could be true, but those references could be made in the future as well. Harry Potter could go on for years and I'm sure Homeland Security isn't going away anytime soon.

Although Hurley's H2 looked pretty modern day. Maybe a restored classic?
:)

I think it's safe to say we're in the present time.

On Desparate Houswives tonight it looked to me like Andrew was watching Lost in his bedroom when he kicked Bree. There was a pretty clear shot of what looked to me like a rain-soaked Evangeline Lily in the jungle. Did anyone else see it?

-Chris

Yep, he was watching Lost.

Hey, wait a minute. I come here to monitor the NO SPOILERS - LOST thread and I get a spoiler for DH!! WTF!! Nothing's sacred no matter how carefully you conduct your internet activity. Bummer! DH is on in 5 minutes here.

Medically speaking, what is the best way to help someone remove a wad of panties from their backside?

Originally posted by auburn97
Medically speaking, what is the best way to help someone remove a wad of panties from their backside?

lmao

Originally posted by auburn97
Medically speaking, what is the best way to help someone remove a wad of panties from their backside?

tweezers.

I hardly think that saying the son was watching Lost before he kicked his mother is a spoiler. That's like saying Terri Hatcher does something clumsy.

Originally posted by CPanther95
I doubt he's crazy - the whole vision of a bloody Boone was acurate - not to mention the, "xxx falls down the stairs, xxx falls up the stairs" part was also true.

c'mon CP, you've forgotten the nanny's name already "Theresa falls down the stairs, Theresa falls up the stairs"

I'm horrible with names - and too lazy to check the Tivo.

Originally posted by mx6bfast
tweezers.


I was thinking salad tongs, but you're right- tweezers may be a little less invasive.

Originally posted by auburn97
I was thinking salad tongs, but you're right- tweezers may be a little less invasive.

... and less likely to cause your salad to have an aftertaste. :eek:

On Locke getting his legs back- what occured to me was the comments about giving something up to the island. . . Locke may have given up Boone, or at least his ability to walk.

Markd

If Locke has to give up a character's ability to walk to get his back, then who lost their ability to walk the first time - the marshall?

Would this also mean that the mystery character's death is necessary for the baby to be born?

The better question is: Who's the lucky SOB who paid for Charlie's sobriety? :D

We will soon find out.

Actually, I think that Charlie "gave up" his habit and was rewarded with his guitar. That is the most sensible answer from a symbolic analysis, I think. After all, music was Charlie's love, but he ended up trading it for H. He gave up the smack and got his music back.

What did Locke originally "give up" to the island?

Dunno. . . maybe one of the un-named masses who perished in the crash? Too easy.

Charlie gave up something that was BAD for him.

Boone too- unhealthy fixation. (hmm, I think there are a few posters from this thread that need to hit the island. ;-)

Locke gave up his old life?

Theory: giving up something bad for you...

Locke needs to give up his bitterness for his father/mother/boss/walkabout guide... etc... for his legs?

any ideas or theories who actually delivers Claire's baby? I have one. I think Jack needs to decide if he needs to save Boone or help deliver the baby (because Kate can't deliver it) and thinks back to the time when the pregnant woman died on the operating table. He decides to deliver/save the baby.

Okay... I will admit to the first time in this thread's history that I will not be reading prior posts to 'catch-up'...

I just don't have the time, and you guys blabber on... and on... and on... :D

Watched the episode last Friday.. been gone from here until today... I think there's like 200+ posts since the last time I read this thread... :eek:

I'll try better this week... great episode too!

This comes as absolutely no surprise, but none the less, ABC today officially announced it had picked up Lost (along with Desperate Housewives, Alias and Boston Legal) for the 2005-2006 season.

Originally posted by fredfa
This comes as absolutely no surprise, but none the less, ABC today officially announced it had picked up Lost (along with Desperate Housewives, Alias and Boston Legal) for the 2005-2006 season.

Still nice to hear! They also said:

"Lost" is winning its Wednesday time slot and is drawing 15.9 million weekly viewers, making it the 14th-ranked program in primetime, according to Nielsen Media Research

It is 14th for the season.
But last week it came in eighth, with 17.75 million viewers.

Yeah, 14th for the season but it is likely to climb further up the rankings as it picks up steam.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
[B]Okay... I will admit to the first time in this thread's history that I will not be reading prior posts to 'catch-up'...

I just don't have the time, and you guys blabber on... and on... and on... :


Well, I DID IT! Came home late last Thursday night and spent about and hour and a half reading through the previous 24 hours' posts. YOU CAN DO IT - you'll never forgive yourself if you miss reading one - you've come this far!

"I'm curious - do you think the writers have a definite story arc in mind? "

Not a chance with JJ Abrams on board. There's some kind of mega-arc, but it doesn't have an endpoint yet in all likelihood. And bizarre twists will occur that will often go unresolved.

The show might still be great, but a master plan? Ask Rombaldi.

Originally posted by rogo
The show might still be great, but a master plan? Ask Rombaldi.

:D

How do you do a re-boot on "LOST" after 3 seasons? Hurley wakes up on a plane and it was all a dream - then the plane breaks up again? ;)

Originally posted by rogo
"I'm curious - do you think the writers have a definite story arc in mind? "

Not a chance with JJ Abrams on board. There's some kind of mega-arc, but it doesn't have an endpoint yet in all likelihood. And bizarre twists will occur that will often go unresolved.

The show might still be great, but a master plan? Ask Rombaldi.

Speaking of writers;

David Fury Quits Lost

http://www.tvtome.com/Lost/#news

chirp...... chirp......

Anyone else experiencing no HD on lost tonight? Have DD 5.1 sound but no video either OTA or via Cox cable.

Damn damn damn I just missed the first 22 minutes!!!

So I made the horrible mistake of not monitoring this thread for a while, and so some of these observations are likely repeats:

- I got the impression that the Polar Bears' presence on the island was actually Walt's fault. Both times they were encountered, Walt had been reading a comicbook with a Polar Bear in it, and his back story suggested he might be "special" that way (reading about a particular bird and said bird suddenly crashes into the window behind him, his step father's fear of him, etc)

- Listening closely to the radio conversation Boon had before the plane fell, I believe the otherside first responded to Boon saying "Is there somebody there?" and then when he said he was a survivor of Oceanic Flight 815 the other side said: "What? WE are survivors of Flight 815", implying that there is actually another group of survivors somewhere on the island (as implied earlier by the old woman wearing her husbands wedding ring around her neck). Or maybe its a twilightzone/startrek/frequency-style alternate universe thing and he was communicating with the same crash survivors in an alternate reality???? (queue said spooky music again)

Best. Show. Ever.

Did anyone notice Locke's father sitting behind Jack while his fiance was giving a toast at the engagement or rehearsal party. I think it was him

Yea Jimbo, I also have no HD on Lost, in Tulsa OTA. First 5min or so we had no video at all. I thought it might have been something to do with the fact they would be using weather warnings or something but haven't seen any yet.

Boone's going to come back to life. Just watch, might be a while, but I bet he does.

The devil baby is born! See the evil look in that childs face? The black eyes? Is this lost or Carnivale? :)

HD Target commercial?

Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
The devil baby is born! See the evil look in that childs face? The black eyes? Is this lost or Carnivale? :)

JUSTIN LIVES!

One life dead, one life born. Maybe they will name him Boone.

How many other people had the mute button ready for his leg getting snapped back into place and anticipating cutting off his leg?

HOLY Sh!T, now we have something to look forward to. Locke is so busted.

Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
The devil baby is born! See the evil look in that childs face? The black eyes? Is this lost or Carnivale? :)

The baby got Shannon's Boone

Originally posted by CPanther95
The baby got Shannon's Boone

LMAO! That was really good CP. :)

Originally posted by mx6bfast
....How many other people had the mute button ready for his leg getting snapped back into place and anticipating cutting off his leg?
That is soooo "Hurley"!! :)

Did anyone notice the blooper at the end, when Kate is walking up to Jack on the beach? His bandage, from the transfusion, was briefly on the wrong arm! It was on his left arm in the shots before and after, which is correct since that is the one that had the "needle" in it during the transfusion. But that one brief scene as she comes up to him it was clearly on his right arm.

stupid Good morning america came on half way through talking about we have the person everyone is going to be talking about. i am like man i guess boone really does die, man is it me or did kate need to just make out with jack tonight. his wife was hot, wonder what happened to that

499 unique posters to this thread. That's more than the Antenna thread in the Local forum.

Originally posted by jamesmil
So I made the horrible mistake of not monitoring this thread for a while, and so some of these observations are likely repeats:

- I got the impression that the Polar Bears' presence on the island was actually Walt's fault. Both times they were encountered, Walt had been reading a comicbook with a Polar Bear in it, and his back story suggested he might be "special" that way (reading about a particular bird and said bird suddenly crashes into the window behind him, his step father's fear of him, etc)

- Listening closely to the radio conversation Boon had before the plane fell, I believe the otherside first responded to Boon saying "Is there somebody there?" and then when he said he was a survivor of Oceanic Flight 815 the other side said: "What? WE are survivors of Flight 815", implying that there is actually another group of survivors somewhere on the island (as implied earlier by the old woman wearing her husbands wedding ring around her neck). Or maybe its a twilightzone/startrek/frequency-style alternate universe thing and he was communicating with the same crash survivors in an alternate reality???? (queue said spooky music again)

Best. Show. Ever.

The French woman, Rousseau, mentioned the bears, so it is unlikely that they just showed up when Walk was reading a comic book.

The response on the radio was: "There were no survivors of Oceanic Flight 815."

Can somebody recap the first 22 minutes please?

Originally posted by maxman
Can somebody recap the first 22 minutes please?

And do it in HD if you don't mind. :)

Yes, HD screenshots preferred. (wise guy!)

The island gives one and takes one.

Watch out Locke!

Paul

Originally posted by borgec
Did anyone notice Locke's father sitting behind Jack while his fiance was giving a toast at the engagement or rehearsal party. I think it was him

I just replayed it and it wasn't him

For a while I was thinking that Claire would die in child birth, and Boone would end up living.

If this turns out to be "island takes something/island gives something" and it took Boone's life in order to grant life to the baby - will the pro-life groups boycott the show?

In season 14 we find out that Claire's baby loves Claire "in that way"

Though I've loved every episode, I thoght tonites was a little on the slow side; two big events (death and life), but neither any kind of surprise; and the backstory didn't add a whole lot that I could tell (I guess some background on Jack's character traits, as if that was needed). The marriage thing was interesting, but we'll have to wait and see what became of that. Next week looks like it has the potential to be a lot more interesting. Not quite sure what to make of a couple of the preview shots.

We got to see a whole bunch of redshirters at the end. Anyone recognize any of them? I didn't.

And now we know that Jack's not gay. Well, it's more LIKELY that he's not gay...

Originally posted by CPanther95
We got to see a whole bunch of redshirters at the end. Anyone recognize any of them? I didn't.
LOL! Yeah, when they showed them, that's what I said to the wife. Looked like there was another guy who resembled Ethan (but wasn't, he's buried!! ;) ), and another bald guy.
BTW, I noticed in this episode that Sun seemed to really be more assertive while helping Jack, like maybe she had some experience in caring for people. And that was a tense moment when Jin ran in to tell Jack about Claire and saw Sun there. At least they worked together to help the others.

I guarantee that Jack's wife dies at some point (in a future backstory).

Originally posted by Enigma
Though I've loved every episode, I thoght tonites was a little on the slow side; two big events (death and life), but neither any kind of surprise; and the backstory didn't add a whole lot that I could tell (I guess some background on Jack's character traits, as if that was needed). The marriage thing was interesting, but we'll have to wait and see what became of that. Next week looks like it has the potential to be a lot more interesting. Not quite sure what to make of a couple of the preview shots.
I thought the backstory was pretty interesting. Yes, the Jack-as-groom thing sure, but more interesting to me was the fact that he and his Dad seemed to be best pals in this one. No alcoholic issue ( they even shared a bottle ), and no living up to Dad's expectations. I wonder where this event fits in the timeline.

"Next week looks like it has the potential to be a lot more interesting"

No new episodes for four weeks. We do get a recap special in three weeks.

Originally posted by Enigma
Next week looks like it has the potential to be a lot more interesting. Not quite sure what to make of a couple of the preview shots. Next week is another rerun. That preview was for some unspecified future Wednesday (the voiceover said, "Coming on Lost," and "Wednedays at 8.")

in the preview for the next show it looks like Locke get's shot - did anyone else think that's what it looked like?

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
The response on the radio was: "There were no survivors of Oceanic Flight 815."

There are conflicting reports on this. I read somewhere that the closed captioning was wrong and it really said "what? WE are the survivors of flight 815"
read it somewhere on tvtome.com (http://www.tvtome.com/Lost/index.html)

Originally posted by CPanther95
If this turns out to be "island takes something/island gives something" and it took Boone's life in order to grant life to the baby - will the pro-life groups boycott the show?

No spoilers is just a reference to reruns, not TIME ZONES? I should know better than look at this thread after 6 pm Pacific Time.

Anyway... Every time this show closes, with the LOST title, I find myself saying this show is great! The 6 degrees of connection, the open venue for the writers, the ability to kill off major characters, the fantasy island (in a boogieman sort of way), this is the BEST network TV in years!
Reminds me of the first year or 24, or the 4,5,6 years of ST Next Generation when all the best SF writers were writing for Trek.

Originally posted by labmansid
BTW, I noticed in this episode that Sun seemed to really be more assertive while helping Jack, like maybe she had some experience in caring for people. And that was a tense moment when Jin ran in to tell Jack about Claire and saw Sun there. At least they worked together to help the others.

Yes, now that she doesn't have to hide her ability to speak English her character can finally come into it's own. She's even hotter when she talks :-)

Yeah, I felt it was big of both Jin and Sun to put their differences aside for the best interests of the group.

I don't think Locke gets shot, I think that was more fancy editing and red herring previews at work. :-)

But we'll see....in a fricking month?!?!

Originally posted by mx6bfast
How many other people had the mute button ready for his leg getting snapped back into place and anticipating cutting off his leg?

Nope ... but did you notice the sound from the cargo container "door" sounded remarkably like the metallic sound from the "monster?"

Originally posted by bronowyn
And now we know that Jack's not gay. Well, it's more LIKELY that he's not gay...

Not necessarily. We don't know why the marriage ended.

Some questions/thoughts:

-How come in all the faces/people shown through the WHOLE episode....no black lady?

-Did Boone get his "last words" out to Jack regarding "Tell Shannon..." I say no...my wife says he uttered "Don't...." :confused:

-Jack's "wife"....she's apparently on some other ABC show (since I skip over the commercials I'm not sure of the name)....think it's the one with Uncle Jesse....my wife knew her name....I didn't.

-If Jack's dad was at his "wedding"....where was his Mom?

-I don't remember if Jack had a wedding ring on in the earlier flashbacks at the hospital where he ratted his dad out.

Still loving this show....but I REALLY wish it was on at 9pm or 10pm. Or I need an HDTIVO.....
:rolleyes:

It wasn't his blood that was giving a bad effect. Boone was just too injured. Jack mentioned that )- would put him in the neighborhood. I guess it is a universal donor, but not guaranteed to work. There are some people who have very rare blood types and if all you needed was O- then there wouldn't really be much of a problem with the rare types.

Originally posted by mollerup


One question about the blood types I misunderstood...Can an O- donor like Jack who gives someone a donation cause that person to go into shock? I thought O- was a universal donor like they said in the show...so how could it have had a bad effect?

No, it didn't cause him to go into shock, he was already in shock from the loss of blood. I'm not sure why the reference to anaphylactic shock, that would indicate he was infected or allergic to something.

Jack's blood wasn't helping Boone because his leg was so crushed that the blood vessels were damaged to the point that the blood Jack was giving him was just pooling in his lower leg where the busted blood vessels were, this is why Jack was going to cut the leg off.

Originally posted by PJO1966
Not necessarily. We don't know why the marriage ended.

I bet something went bad again with her back.

Jack's wife was played by Julie Bowen, the longtime love interest of Ed on the now-ended NBC series "Ed".

And as for the death of Boone, he died of internal bleeding.

Originally posted by mollerup
One question about the blood types I misunderstood...Can an O- donor like Jack who gives someone a donation cause that person to go into shock? I thought O- was a universal donor like they said in the show...so how could it have had a bad effect?

Usually, when you get a transfusion, it is just packed red blood cells (plasma, white blood cells, and platelets removed as well as being irradiated). Whole blood transfusions such as the one done tonight could introduce other types of antigens that could cause an adverse reaction. Of course, an A neg whole blood transfusion could introduce extra antigens as well.

Last night's episode can be summed up with one word...

Predictable

Clair has her baby, Boone dies and Jack wants to know "where the F* is Locke?"

Predictable, predictable, predictable.

Seeing Jack's back-story was somewhat surprising, but then again we aren't suppose to know these events before they unfold.

But everything that happened on the Island during last night's episode was no surprise. Maybe this was the only way the writer's could tie up these plot lines, but I've come to expect the unexpected and I was disappointed to have anticipated everything that occurred and the way it did.

Even an AVS Forum member could have written last night's episode...:rolleyes:

Oh well… I guess they can’t all be gems…

Generally; 1) O Neg IS a universal donor. If you know nothing about the case O Neg would be your choice. 2) Giving the same type blood (O, A, B, or AB all rh NEG ONLY) would be given next, 3) then the same type and rh factor is a MATCHED transfusion (A+ to A+, O Neg to O Neg, etc.). AB+ is the universal recepient by the way.

Blood transfusion 101!!!

Great episode! The actor playing Boone has got to be bummed. There goes at least a couple more years of gainful employment on a hit show down the tubes, not to mention a chance to live in Hawaii. Back to waiting tables!

Clearly, Jack's wedding occurred prior to the unfortunate events with his father. (But you can see the shared "taste" for alcohol - like father like... ) His wife probably dies later on and Jack can't save her (possibly he causes it), contributing to the internal demons he now fights and helps explain why he's so fanatical about saving people, ever the reluctant hero.

Sawyer gave up the booze more readily than I expected. Has he undergone a change for the better? And I wonder how Locke will explain his actions? 4 weeks 'till the next new episode gives us lots of time for speculation I guess.

Originally posted by rickmccamy
No spoilers is just a reference to reruns, not TIME ZONES? I should know better than look at this thread after 6 pm Pacific Time.

Spoilers have nothing to do with time zones - definitely avoid the thread until you've seen the most recent episode aired.

Originally posted by archiguy
Sawyer gave up the booze more readily than I expected. Has he undergone a change for the better? And I wonder how Locke will explain his actions? 4 weeks 'till the next new episode gives us lots of time for speculation I guess.

Yeah...you would expect at least a "Throwing a big party freckles?" comment when Kate asked for all his alcohol.

And he wasn't wearing his new glasses at all...I guess he only needs them when he's reading?

Cripes....4 weeks until the next episode...they'll be dragging season one out until season two starts.

I thought Carol Vessy Married ED?

She did. i remember yelling at the TV.. no! No! NO! Carole, you love ED!

Originally posted by archiguy
Great episode! The actor playing Boone has got to be bummed. There goes at least a couple more years of gainful employment on a hit show down the tubes, not to mention a chance to live in Hawaii. Back to waiting tables!

I have a feeling were going to see Boone again in the future. Maybe in a Shannon back story? Maybe Ethan too? Anyone who gets buried might come out of the hatch. Who knows with this show, anything is possible.

They killed Boone off just to be able to say, "See, we're ballsy and the story is moving along."

The death seemed gratuitous, unless it leads to Locke having to confess to all the secrecy and the survivors really putting their heads together to move the story forward. But this is Lost so none of that will happen. Jack probably won't push the "what airplane, what hatch?" angle at all. Like all the other characters, they will compartmentalize the info. they have and not share.

They all have bits of the puzzle and their chances of getting the big picture would be enhanced if they openly communicated. But then the mystery would have to fade and there would be no reason for the series to continue.

So Boone was sacrificed to make a "very special episode" of Lost. It won't move the story forward. Instead, they will have more flashbacks which by now are a little too obvious. We get it, Jack has this save the world mentality because of his past. He dealt with the bully, then his marriage, yada, yada, yada.

Nothing really that unique that a doctor would go as far as he could to save someone. Would any other doctor not have tried the transfusion or even amputating? Jack's regrets about his marriage made him not want to let go even when he should have known Boone was going to die?

Locke lied about the fall 2 episodes ago from the plane because he doesn't anyone to come near the "magical" hatch.

Why do you folks think he doesn't want anyone else to know about the hatch? The people on the island have shown that they can work togther.

Also, why didn't he stick around while Boone was on the island's ER?

I guess he didn't want anyone to see his own mysterious physical set back. Either that or he was so obsessed with getting back to the hatch.

I played the preview over and over for the next episode and it definitely looks like Locke gets shot. If he doesn't they might as well stop playing the previews. Who needs cheap video tricks?

Originally posted by rogo
Jack's wife was played by Julie Bowen, the longtime love interest of Ed on the now-ended NBC series "Ed".

And as for the death of Boone, he died of internal bleeding.

forget Ed, she was the girlfriend of HAPPY GILMORE!!!

it certainly looks like he gets shot ... and maybe he does ... but the previews are known for being misleading, and perhaps it's supposed to lead us to believe the following mistruths:

1. locke is shot by another member of the 815 flight (maybe the baby does it!)

2. locke dies.


And technically, Lock didn't lie. Boone DID fall from a cliff ... it's just that he was in a plane when he fell. (the plane was kinda half in a tree and half on the edge of that cliff he climbed to get to it from what I remember)

Originally posted by danc8379
I guarantee that Jack's wife dies at some point (in a future backstory).

yeah Jack killed or paralyzed her. (he gaveth, he taketh away.)

Originally posted by wco81
They killed Boone off just to be able to say, "See, we're ballsy and the story is moving along."
It won't move the story forward. Instead, they will have more flashbacks which by now are a little too obvious.
Man that's way too pessimistic. This series is built on twists and turns and I believe you will be surprised, I love the subtle connections we discover in the flashbacks.

Originally posted by barth2k
yeah Jack killed or paralyzed her. (he gaveth, he taketh away.)

DUI maybe?

or maybe locke finally opens the hatch and is greeted by 12 evil gnomes with hand guns ...

Originally posted by wco81
Got to say, the closing scene with the sparse piano music was very well done. While people are reveling in the newborn, it gets heavy when Shannon shows up and Jack tells her. The silence except the music was poignant.


I totally agree. Very powerful. I rewatched this section twice.

So how many "new" episodes remain, after the repeats ? 2 (1 hr + 2hr episode) ?

Originally posted by NorthJersey
So how many "new" episodes remain, after the repeats ? 2 (1 hr + 2hr episode) ?

Episodes 21, 22, 23 - 1 hour
Episode 24 - 2 hour

4 episodes remain.

Originally posted by NorthJersey
forget Ed, she was the girlfriend of HAPPY GILMORE!!!

Mother of....how could I forget that ?!?!?!?

Amazing how the mind works.....

She still looks hot...

*He says as he slips into his "happy place".....*

Episodes 23 & 24 are actually Part I & Part II of the 3 hour finale. No report of who's backstories are covered in the finale.

Originally posted by wco81
Got to say, the closing scene with the sparse piano music was very well done. While people are reveling in the newborn, it gets heavy when Shannon shows up and Jack tells her. The silence except the music was poignant.



I was touched too, it got a bit misty when Jack told Shannon and she took that step back.

As a TV viewer, I found it ironic and funny that they used the same music they used when Charlie 'died'. The first time they played that I thought for SURE Charlie was a goner. They were playing the sad music and everything! :-) Now Boone dies for real and they play the same tune. Good stuff, made me misty twice.

Originally posted by archiguy
Sawyer gave up the booze more readily than I expected. Has he undergone a change for the better? And I wonder how Locke will explain his actions? 4 weeks 'till the next new episode gives us lots of time for speculation I guess.

Kate left absolutely no room for argument...he could tell she wasn't kidding and that it was an emergency. If she had nonchalantly strolled up to him and said, 'Hey Sawyer, have any booze left? I wanna play "I Never" again' I'm sure he would have reacted in his normal sarcastic way :-)

Originally posted by jackshakes
it certainly looks like he gets shot ... and maybe he does ... but the previews are known for being misleading, and perhaps it's supposed to lead us to believe the following mistruths:

1. locke is shot by another member of the 815 flight (maybe the baby does it!)

2. locke dies.


And technically, Lock didn't lie. Boone DID fall from a cliff ... it's just that he was in a plane when he fell. (the plane was kinda half in a tree and half on the edge of that cliff he climbed to get to it from what I remember)

I can't remember exactly and I've already erased from TIVO, but in the teaser trailer, was it for sure a present-day Locke? Or could it have been a past-Locke who was shot in a flashback...maybe the shot that paralyzed him?

Anybody have a theory about what the "44" on the back of Jack's wife's shirt meant? A nod to only 44 survivors left (foreshadowing someone getting killed later on in this episode?)? It's not part of the "magic numbers" sequence....:confused:

Originally posted by CPanther95
Episodes 21, 22, 23 - 1 hour
Episode 24 - 2 hour

4 episodes remain.

Are there any more new episodes in April, or is Episode 21 on May 4?

Originally posted by CPanther95
DUI maybe?

Im thinking the heavy drinking came on because of his wifes death... you see before he drinks but neither of them are "drunks" at this point.. IMO.

I see it as something along the lines of something happens to her, she dies, and he gets all depressed and looks to the bottle.

Originally posted by jaypb

She still looks hot...


Man we are a tough crowd!

Originally posted by optivity
Last night's episode can be summed up with one word...

Predictable

Clair has her baby, Boone dies and Jack wants to know "where the F* is Locke?"

Predictable, predictable, predictable.



I totally disagree. I thought Clair was going to die and Boone was going to pull through. Usually the weekly trailers are misleading, that's why I thought Boone was going to make it.

Was it predictable that Locke offered absolutely no help to his friend Boone?

I think the last two epsiodes have been the season's best. Just my $.02.

Did anyone notice connections between survivors during the flashbacks last night? I didn't, but there was an odd camera shot that occured as Jack and his fiancee were sitting at the piano. The camera focuses briefly on a woman getting out of a cab outside the window. Any idea who she is?

Also, interesting that Jack shouted at Sun "Don't tell me what I can't do!"- the exact same thing Locke has said on the island and in flashback.

Originally posted by mulesqb
Are there any more new episodes in April, or is Episode 21 on May 4?


4/27 - LOST: The Journey (1 Hour Special) "Catch-up episode"
5/4 - #21 The Greater Good (Sayid)
5/11 - #22 Born to Run (Kate)
5/18 - #23 Exodus Part I
5/25 - # 24 Exodus Part II (2 Hours)

Originally posted by CPanther95
4/27 - LOST: The Journey (1 Hour Special) "Catch-up episode"
5/4 - #21 The Greater Good (Sayid)
5/11 - #22 Born to Run (Kate)
5/18 - #23 Exodus Part I
5/25 - # 24 Exodus Part II (2 Hours)

Interesting title for Episodes 23 & 24. Just did a word thesaurus on "exodus". It came up with "mass departure", "evacuation" and "Flight". It gives me a number of thoughts on how the season will end.

Originally posted by mulesqb
Interesting title for Episodes 23 & 24. Just did a word thesaurus on "exodus". It came up with "mass departure", "evacuation" and "Flight". It gives me a number of thoughts on how the season will end.

Just did a word search for "evacuation":

"The act or process of discharging bodily wastes or foreign substances:"

Maybe it's about the latrines backing up - or Sayid getting fired from his job. :D

In the teaser for the next episode(s):

Sawyer is yelling at Kate for trying to get a seat on the raft, I think... So I think the raft at some point will be ready... and more about the island will be revealed.

Maybe the title has something to do with that?

[MOD EDIT] Spoiler Tags removed.

My wife said Boone was on Regis today and let out some interesting comments about what may be coming up. She recorded it for me so I'll have to check it out when I get home later.

Seems he was doing the ABC talk show circuit today eh? (GMA, Regis...anyone else?) :confused:

It will be interesting to see what happens next, but it appears as though Sayid decides to go after Locke, telling him "No more lies" and we may get to where the rest of the survivors discover the plane.

Locke can tell them about the plane without mentioning the hatch unless they have to walk past the hatch to get to the plane. I really wonder what would happen if the others saw the hatch and if Hurley saw the numbers on its side.

If they get to the plane, there is a small chance the transponder works and could call for help, getting them off the island only to have their stories continue on the mainland.

Locke doesn't seem to want off the island and neither does Walt. Sawyer wants off the island, but if he was in custody he might not want to be discovered - same with Kate. Rousseau might have problems adjusting to life off the island after being there for 16 years.

My money is on Exodus being the name for mass departure that might be unsuccessful or perhaps having to move to another part of the island for some reason.

Here are my thoughts on the Boone-Locke-island connection.

The "island" gave Locke his legs back, but demanded a blood sacrifice before it would open the hatch for Locke. Locke knew in his "vision" (in the previous episode) that Boone would die, but he didn't tell him so that the vision could be fufilled. The island also gradually reduced its "gift" to Locke until the sacrifice was complete.

Once Boone was mortally wounded, Locke was able to walk normally again. He doesn't really want Boone to die, so he takes him to Jack. He then goes to the hatch to get his "reward", now that the island is satisfied.

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I also feel that the timeline of Jack's flashback may very well be before the time that Jack rats out his dad to the medical board. Jack and his dad looked too friendly at the wedding, and Jack didn't seem to mind his dad drinking at the pool.

Jack's wife may very be alive and well in the states, and that is why Jack isn't trying to romance Kate. It is certainly plausible for Jack to travel to Austrailia alone to pick up his dad's coffin. Of course, you have to wonder why Jack hasn't talked about his wife the entire time. :confused:

Ah yes, Exodus would likely be the launching of the raft. Those on the raft would be at sea at the end of the season for the cliffhanger ending. Will they get off, die or end up right back on the island? Tune in to find out...

Originally posted by snowcat


I also feel that the timeline of Jack's flashback may very well be before the time that Jack rats out his dad to the medical board. Jack and his dad looked too friendly at the wedding, and Jack didn't seem to mind his dad drinking at the pool.



I'm pretty sure that was a pre-medical board flashback. What I've assumed during Jack's flashbacks is that he turned his dad in just a few months before the plane crash- I thought a conversation between Jack and his mom or stepmom during the first Jack flashback mentioned that Jack hadn't seen his dad since the day in front of the medical board hearing and that was a couple months. Right after that, Jack goes to Australia. I could be wrong, though.

And Jack isn't wearing a wedding ring...

Originally posted by jagouar
Im thinking the heavy drinking came on because of his wifes death... you see before he drinks but neither of them are "drunks" at this point.. IMO.

I see it as something along the lines of something happens to her, she dies, and he gets all depressed and looks to the bottle. I disagree about which stage of their drinking careers they're in. When did sitting by a pool drinkin' straight from the bottle become normal drinking? As I watched it I was thinking along the lines of oh, they've got some alcohol issues going here. IIRC, Jack was sittin' there drinkin' by himself (!) from the bottle (!!) and the Dad joins him and accepts the proffered bottle like it's nothing unusual at all. I took it as a signal (and a pretty obvious one at that) that this family has an interesting relationship with alcohol to say the least.

Originally posted by snowcat
Here are my thoughts on the Boone-Locke-island connection.

The "island" gave Locke his legs back, but demanded a blood sacrifice before it would open the hatch for Locke. Locke knew in his "vision" (in the previous episode) that Boone would die, but he didn't tell him so that the vision could be fufilled. The island also gradually reduced its "gift" to Locke until the sacrifice was complete.

Once Boone was mortally wounded, Locke was able to walk normally again. He doesn't really want Boone to die, so he takes him to Jack. He then goes to the hatch to get his "reward", now that the island is satisfied.


now that's very interesting.

Originally posted by auburn97
I'm pretty sure that was a pre-medical board flashback. What I've assumed during Jack's flashbacks is that he turned his dad in just a few months before the plane crash- I thought a conversation between Jack and his mom or stepmom during the first Jack flashback mentioned that Jack hadn't seen his dad since the day in front of the medical board hearing and that was a couple months. Right after that, Jack goes to Australia. I could be wrong, though.

This has to be after the medical board... remember his wife specifically mentions that jack "saved" her when she was in the accident and messed up her back and none of the other doctors would help.... so in order for jack to be able to help he atleast has to be a surgeon (atleast if he was to help and "fix" her.)

I dont think Jack's wife is going to die.. I think thye just probably get divorced.. I dont think he actually watned to marry her.. You could tell in all his facial expressions.. He looked hesitant..KInda like he felt he had no choice but to marry her.. and when he was giving his vows speech he seemed like he was leading towards i cant marry you but couldnt say it and just married her anyway...

chris

Originally posted by snowcat
Here are my thoughts on the Boone-Locke-island connection.

The "island" gave Locke his legs back, but demanded a blood sacrifice before it would open the hatch for Locke. Locke knew in his "vision" (in the previous episode) that Boone would die, but he didn't tell him so that the vision could be fufilled. The island also gradually reduced its "gift" to Locke until the sacrifice was complete.

Once Boone was mortally wounded, Locke was able to walk normally again. He doesn't really want Boone to die, so he takes him to Jack. He then goes to the hatch to get his "reward", now that the island is satisfied.



The thing that stands out to me is that Locke had that vision and really carried it out by bringing Boone to the plane "Boone goes up, Boone comes down". He said he couldn't walk so Boone went up, but the minute Boone got hurt he walked again, brought Boone back and then got out of there.

I think that's why he said "I did everything you wanted" to the hatch, as if telling it he killed Boone. I think it is interesting that he is not really involved in the Claire story arc.

I think the exodus will be into the hatch. The question is where does that take you?

Originally posted by jackshakes
it certainly looks like he gets shot ... and maybe he does ... but the previews are known for being misleading, and perhaps it's supposed to lead us...
ABC is just messing with us. I did some screenshots and looks like Locke is just hit by rocks as he falls back. They just use the gunshot sound to make it look like he got shot. link to pictures (http://img144.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img144&image=lost108pg.jpg)

Originally posted by jagouar
This has to be after the medical board... remember his wife specifically mentions that jack "saved" her when she was in the accident and messed up her back and none of the other doctors would help.... so in order for jack to be able to help he atleast has to be a surgeon (atleast if he was to help and "fix" her.)

You misunderstood me- when I referred to the medical board, I'm talking about the scene where Jack and Christian are sitting at the table in front of the panel and Jack turns his dad in. Obviously, Jack was a doctor by then.

Originally posted by mulesqb
The thing that stands out to me is that Locke had that vision and really carried it out by bringing Boone to the plane "Boone goes up, Boone comes down". He said he couldn't walk so Boone went up, but the minute Boone got hurt he walked again, brought Boone back and then got out of there.

I think that's why he said "I did everything you wanted" to the hatch, as if telling it he killed Boone. I think it is interesting that he is not really involved in the Claire story arc.

I think the exodus will be into the hatch. The question is where does that take you?
Maybe that was the "island's" plan, but I don't believe Locke intended to sacrifice Boone. Locke was having trouble with his legs, and he's an older guy anyway. Boone HAD to be the one to go up there. Hell, if I was stranded out there, I'd do it. When the plane is shifting, Boone doesn't immediately get out, and Locke is yelling for him. After the accident, he carries him all the way back for medical attention. Doesn't seem like someone who is consciously trying to sacrifice someone.

Originally posted by mulesqb

Was it predictable that Locke offered absolutely no help to his friend Boone?



Like carrying him miles through the jungle to get to an actual doctor?

This is going to be a painful month off, but what can you do?

I'm guessing the season finale ends with the hatch opening....They'll probably have other stories going on until then.

Originally posted by Iteki
I was touched too, it got a bit misty when Jack told Shannon and she took that step back.

As a TV viewer, I found it ironic and funny that they used the same music they used when Charlie 'died'. The first time they played that I thought for SURE Charlie was a goner. They were playing the sad music and everything! :-) Now Boone dies for real and they play the same tune. Good stuff, made me misty twice.

On Felicity, Ballard's first TV show, they had several episodes where one of the main characters' father was bedridden. Every time they had those hospital scenes, they had this piano music. The same one would play like clockwork. It was really heavy-handed and made some people laugh after awhile.

Guess Ballard has developed a more deft touch. As long as he doesn't to it too often. Not using the same music (which is about paying for rights to use the music) but having too many of those heavy, sentimental moments.

Originally posted by archiguy
Anybody have a theory about what the "44" on the back of Jack's wife's shirt meant? A nod to only 44 survivors left (foreshadowing someone getting killed later on in this episode?)? It's not part of the "magic numbers" sequence....:confused:

I can make some wild guesses...

4 was one of the "numbers," and 2 fours = 8 which was another one. :)

44x2=88 which is the number of keys on a piano which is what they were playing at the time....a song called "Heart and Soul," by the way... and piano keys are black and white, for whatever that's worth. (As was her T-shirt)

OK can we stop anthropomorphizing the "island" until it's clearly established that the island has some supernatural powers?

Originally posted by wco81
OK can we stop anthropomorphizing the "island" until it's clearly established that the island has some supernatural powers?

No. No more than we can stop from making any theories until we know everything for certain.
Besides, Locke himself has done the same, so it's not like this is coming from nowhere.

The camera focuses briefly on a woman getting out of a cab outside the window. Any idea who she is?

Jack was waiting for his father to show up. His wife says something like "he'll be here" after tha shot of that woman.

Originally posted by wco81
OK can we stop anthropomorphizing the "island" until it's clearly established that the island has some supernatural powers?

Exodus and Evacuation were word search/thesaurus-ized....and NO ONE has offered up a similar search for anthropomorphizing....

I'm outta my league now.....

Derek Zoolander....where are you..... ;)

Originally posted by wco81
OK can we stop anthropomorphizing the "island" until it's clearly established that the island has some supernatural powers?

Actually we aren't the ones anthropmorhizing the island, Locke is. As long as he believes it, it should be open for discussion here.

CLONES BABY :-)

Originally posted by mulesqb
I totally disagree. I thought Clair was going to die and Boone was going to pull through. Usually the weekly trailers are misleading, that's why I thought Boone was going to make it. Early on it was established Clair's baby is a BIG part of the "grand" story arc. Thus, it was obvious she would have a "healthy" (no glowing red eye's, no horns or tail) baby.

We've always speculated Boone was among the group of expendable characters so it's no surprise he died first.

Originally posted by mulesqb
Was it predictable that Locke offered absolutely no help to his friend Boone? Very.

Originally posted by TheTimm
I disagree about which stage of their drinking careers they're in. When did sitting by a pool drinkin' straight from the bottle become normal drinking? As I watched it I was thinking along the lines of oh, they've got some alcohol issues going here. IIRC, Jack was sittin' there drinkin' by himself (!) from the bottle (!!) and the Dad joins him and accepts the proffered bottle like it's nothing unusual at all. I took it as a signal (and a pretty obvious one at that) that this family has an interesting relationship with alcohol to say the least.

I don't think it's that unusual to do a little heavy boozing the night before your wedding. But I don't think there is any indication that Jack has a drinking problem--can't see how he could have been so high and mighty with his dad later on if that were the case.

I wonder if Exodus means the goup "banishes" Locke from the camp?

Locke is crazy though, all secretive, playing games with people.

You don't want to base your speculations on his whack perceptions.

Locke being ostracized isn't very realistic. Obviously Boone & Locke were close and voluntarily going off into the woods together on a daily basis. The assumption wouldn't be that Locke "did him in" - a cursory explanation from Locke should be all that's necessary to settle things down.

The previews don't appear to back it up, but it just doesn't seem plausible that the group would turn against Locke.

Originally posted by jaypb
Derek Zoolander....where are you..... ;) I hope Derek is the eugoogalizor (one who speaks at funerals) for Boone.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Locke being ostracized isn't very realistic. Obviously Boone & Locke were close and voluntarily going off into the woods together on a daily basis. The assumption wouldn't be that Locke "did him in" - a cursory explanation from Locke should be all that's necessary to settle things down.

The previews don't appear to back it up, but it just doesn't seem plausible that the group would turn against Locke.

Maybe not for this alone, but remember that Locke said to Boone about Sayid, "we're gonna want him on our side."

And the next Sayid episode had a working title of "Sides" until it was changed.

So it does appear that there is going to be a rift developing somewhere.

Originally posted by optivity
Early on it was established Clair's baby is a BIG part of the "grand" story arc. Thus, it was obvious she would have a "healthy" (no glowing red eye's, no horns or tail) baby.

We've always speculated Boone was among the group of expendable characters so it's no surprise he died first.

Very.

Don't you mean glowing white eyes? Ooops, my bad. Wrong show, wrong network. :D

Originally posted by CPanther95
The assumption wouldn't be that Locke "did him in" - a cursory explanation from Locke should be all that's necessary to settle things down.


Except for the fact that he's already lied about it (and Jack knows he lied). He's going to have to take them to the plane in order to verify the truth, should he decide to tell them. But....he can't let them find the hatch!

Boone may be dead, but not necessarily off the show. He could be back with more of Shannon's backstory, and given those backstories, could pop up in a few others along the lines of "paths crossing" prior to the plane crash.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

How's this for cowinky dinks.

Last night's episode, Claire goes into labor and has her baby boy?

Well, last night, my wife went into labor and had our new baby boy. :)

Those writers are freaking me out now.

Maybe they will all climb into the hatch and step out on the USA Network for the season opening of the 4400... ;)

Congrats Mntneer.

Originally posted by archiguy
Except for the fact that he's already lied about it (and Jack knows he lied). He's going to have to take them to the plane in order to verify the truth, should he decide to tell them. But....he can't let them find the hatch!

Locke didn't lie. He didn't include all the details, but what he said wasn't a lie.

Originally posted by danc8379
I don't think it's that unusual to do a little heavy boozing the night before your wedding. But I don't think there is any indication that Jack has a drinking problem--can't see how he could have been so high and mighty with his dad later on if that were the case. This didn't strike me as bachelor party-celebration-type drinking. More sittin' by yourself unable to write your vows confused almost panicky and dealing with it by drinkin away your worries -- which I would consider a sign of a drinking problem. Just speculatin' here - but perhaps Jack has something tragic happen due to his drinking and cleans up his act. Might be part of the reason for his high-and-mightiness with his Dad later on and why he couldn't just let it go. I wouldn't be shocked if Jack was somehow responsible for his wife's death, with alcohol being involved.

Originally posted by petergaryr
Boone may be dead, but not necessarily off the show. He could be back with more of Shannon's backstory, and given those backstories, could pop up in a few others along the lines of "paths crossing" prior to the plane crash.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

And there are those who think that Boone was talking to "himself" on the radio in the plane. :eek:

Originally posted by hefe
I can make some wild guesses...

4 was one of the "numbers," and 2 fours = 8 which was another one. :)

44x2=88 which is the number of keys on a piano which is what they were playing at the time....a song called "Heart and Soul," by the way... and piano keys are black and white, for whatever that's worth. (As was her T-shirt)

:D Jeff, I love your theories; you're always thinking outside the box.

You know that number has to have some significance since it was so prominent on the back of her shirt; couldn't be a "throwaway". Thought there would be more discussion of it....

I thought... 44 = red herring.

Well, I guess you could say, there were 48 survivors (after the guy goes through the engine the pilot episode), then the swimming chick died (47), then ethan was a fake (46), then the guy was killed by ethan (scott - 45), and now.. boone (44).

I'm guessing before the Hurley-approved census that they just counted 48, they didn't check it against the passenger manifest.

What do you think?

Originally posted by hefe
Locke didn't lie. He didn't include all the details, but what he said wasn't a lie.

Didn't he say Boone fell off a cliff? When he actually fell out of a tree [in a plane], I'd have to call that one a big ol' bald-faced lie. :eek:

Doesn't seem to be much room for parsing there.

I've glanced at this thread a few times in the past, but could never keep up with the millions of posts between visits. The one thing that always bothers me is that the central characters have no interaction with the rest of the survivors. These "extras" are rarely seen & basically seem like background fodder for the writers. Aside from a few minor annoyances, the show has been pretty engrossing so far. My only hope is that they don't pull the plug on the series before a conclusion has been reached, like so many of the shows I have seen on Fox.

The raft launching would seem to be the most obvious "Exodus" connection alright. I wonder if there's any chance we'll hear a Bob Marley tune sometime during the last two ep though?

Jack's wife doesn't die. She moves to LA and becomes an actress, then appears on the third ep of a new ABC show "Eyes". I know this because I'm pretty sure that was her I saw in the preview for next weeks show last night ;).

I definitely think the "shooting" of Locke is the now-typical LOST preview red herring.

I was half expecting the baby to have scales or a tail or something. It did have awfully dark eyes though and made me think of Carnivale too.

I know everybody likes new babys and all, but was it just me or didn't they all seem just a bit too care free and happy given that Boone just died? Maybe everyone just really didn't like him much anyway...

Jack seemed a little presumptuous regarding Locke. Didn't he say to Kate that Locke murdered Boone?

ABC, please, get a clue and go to the uninterrupted season format a la FOX's 24. You're killin' us here! :(

ron

Originally posted by wco81
Locke is crazy though, all secretive, playing games with people.

You don't want to base your speculations on his whack perceptions.

It's simply being discussed, not taken as gospel.

As for Locke being crazy, I wouldn't characterize him that way. DISTURBED, yes. He has many issues. But crazy? He has knowledge of other people that he can't possibly know, visions that come true, etc. Something is going on, we just don't know what.

The main thing that bothers me about Locke is his secrecy. Why keep the hatch secret? The plane (with a radio)?

Originally posted by archiguy
Didn't he say Boone fell off a cliff? When he actually fell out of a tree [in a plane], I'd have to call that one a big ol' bald-faced lie. :eek:

Doesn't seem to be much room for parsing there.

The tree was balanced on a cliff and also trees on one side. The plane fell off the cliff, so Boone did too. :)

http://www.lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x19-deus/normal_deux404.jpg

Originally posted by NVboy
I've glanced at this thread a few times in the past, but could never keep up with the millions of posts between visits. The one thing that always bothers me is that the central characters have no interaction with the rest of the survivors. These "extras" are rarely seen & basically seem like background fodder for the writers. Aside from a few minor annoyances, the show has been pretty engrossing so far. My only hope is that they don't pull the plug on the series before a conclusion has been reached, like so many of the shows I have seen on Fox.

A) If you are tuning in to FOX, I'm not sure how you are seeing Lost. Another mystery of the island.

b) It has been renewed for next season.

Jack said that Boone didn't die - he was murdered. I think Jack is going to go on some reckless endangerment angle or something.

As for the other passengers possibly not liking Boone, he was the one who stole all the water. I wouldn't forget that soon.

Originally posted by NVboy
The one thing that always bothers me is that the central characters have no interaction with the rest of the survivors. These "extras" are rarely seen & basically seem like background fodder for the writers. I just kind of assume that they do actually interact with the red shirts -- but those parts just aren't shown. Kinda like when we're watching Boone and Locke "hunting boar" we know that everyone else is somewhere else doing something -- we just don't know what. I don't think we're supposed to believe that the only things that go on on the island are the things we see. I don't recall seeing any of them taking a crap (although Hurley did head off into the jungle with a fistful of leaves once [shudder]), but I assume they all do it.

Originally posted by hefe
A) If you are tuning in to FOX, I'm not sure how you are seeing Lost. Another mystery of the island.

I only used Fox as an example as I have never watched anything on the big 3 networks before Lost came along.

Originally posted by AlvinKlein
ABC is just messing with us. I did some screenshots and looks like Locke is just hit by rocks as he falls back. They just use the gunshot sound to make it look like he got shot. link to pictures (http://img144.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img144&image=lost108pg.jpg)

Is that a rock? I thought it was smoke from the gun shot. Well, I can't see them killing locke anyway.

Also, I am starting to like the idea that there is a parallel side of the island, especially if the other person on the radio said "we are the survivors of flight 815"

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
Jack said that Boone didn't die - he was murdered. I think Jack is going to go on some reckless endangerment angle or something.

As for the other passengers possibly not liking Boone, he was the one who stole all the water. I wouldn't forget that soon.

Yeah, Boone was born under an unlucky star, even for this group (in no particular order):

1) He's in a plane crash :-)
2) Fell in love with his stepsister
3) Tried to save the black lady with CPR and did it wrong
4) Tried to save the drowning woman and nearly drowned himself. This caused Jack to have to rescue him instead of her.
5) Stole the water
6) Got his butt kicked in his flashback
7) Became Locke's *itch
8) Tried to kick Michael's butt (when he got in Locke's face), got his butt kicked instead.
9) Get's knocked over the head then drugged up with Locke's 'happy juice' :-)
10) Fell asleep while on guard duty, a castaway dies
11) Appeared covered in blood in Locke's vision, which didn't stop Locke from sending him up into the plane anyway.
12) Has a plane crash a second time :-)

He struck me as a generally good guy, just a screw up. He died with some dignity at the end, too bad he couldn't have been more specific with Jack about the hatch and the plane.

Originally posted by NVboy
I only used Fox as an example as I have never watched anything on the big 3 networks before Lost came along.

Not even CSI? Wow!

Originally posted by NVboy
I've glanced at this thread a few times in the past, but could never keep up with the millions of posts between visits. The one thing that always bothers me is that the central characters have no interaction with the rest of the survivors. These "extras" are rarely seen & basically seem like background fodder for the writers.

With 44+ people on the island, it is natural that the "community" would form smaller groups to form closer bonds and cohesion. Of course in this situaltion they would all probably work together to some extent, but just like in any large group, smaller groups or cliques will form around 6-10 give or take. Think of a school or small office setting you may have been in with around 50 people. You pretty much know everybody, but you probably only know details about a dozen or less, which are your closer friends/collegues. Sure you work with the other 40 or so, but you probalby don't know a lot about them.

So, if you look at it from this standpoint the survivors have also formed into these groups and it seems that the writers are focusing on one of the more porminent leader groups.

Which leads to an intersting story some day...have one or maybe two shows devoted to a completely different group or clique. Show the island from their perspective...maybe even have them commenting on the "leader" group or something along those lines, but only include the main group as secondary characters in these particular shows. Could even get into their back stories and/or linkage/crossovers to the main group.

Originally posted by petergaryr
Boone may be dead, but not necessarily off the show. He could be back with more of Shannon's backstory, and given those backstories, could pop up in a few others along the lines of "paths crossing" prior to the plane crash.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I seem to recall when Sayid found the French woman, she claimed to have killed them all and that her people had somehow changed or turned bad. I'm wondering if someone dies... do they come back as an evil nasty spirit like being (e.g. Ethan)? Something like a Pet Cemetery kind of thing...

"Sometimes dead is better..."

Originally posted by Iteki
Yeah, Boone was born under an unlucky star, even for this group (in no particular order):

1) He's in a plane crash :-)
2) Fell in love with his stepsister
3) Tried to save the black lady with CPR and did it wrong
4) Tried to save the drowning woman and nearly drowned himself. This caused Jack to have to rescue him instead of her.
5) Stole the water
6) Got his butt kicked in his flashback
7) Became Locke's *itch
8) Tried to kick Michael's butt (when he got in Locke's face), got his butt kicked instead.
9) Get's knocked over the head then drugged up with Locke's 'happy juice' :-)
10) Fell asleep while on guard duty, a castaway dies
11) Appeared covered in blood in Locke's vision, which didn't stop Locke from sending him up into the plane anyway.
12) Has a plane crash a second time :-)

He struck me as a generally good guy, just a screw up. He died with some dignity at the end, too bad he couldn't have been more specific with Jack about the hatch and the plane. Plane crashes from 35,000 feet, Boone survives with hardly a scratch... Plane crashes from 100 feet, Boone gets all smashed up and dies from internal hemorrhaging... go figure...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
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I really wonder what would happen if the others saw the hatch and if Hurley saw the numbers on its side.



Hurley will probably have a stroke...

I'm wondering why we have seen a bunch of new folks these last two weeks that we have never seen before. For months all we've seen is the main characters, now all of a sudden we see more of the survivors....and where is the black woman, is she still staring at the ocean..?

Originally posted by R11


I definitely think the "shooting" of Locke is the now-typical LOST preview red herring.



Absolutely, it's getting a little old. I can't imagine they would take Locke's character out of the show.

Originally posted by R11
Jack's wife doesn't die. She moves to LA and becomes an actress, then appears on the third ep of a new ABC show "Eyes". I know this because I'm pretty sure that was her I saw in the preview for next weeks show last night ;).



Actually, the preview was for the new John Stamos show, but close enough.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
Jack said that Boone didn't die - he was murdered. I think Jack is going to go on some reckless endangerment angle or something.


That statement really bugged me last night ... even if you're murdered ... don't you still die?

what a silly statement.

Originally posted by jackshakes
That statement really bugged me last night ... even if you're murdered ... don't you still die?

what a silly statement.

guess in that statement "die" meant of natural or even accidental causes, whereas murder is a more specific type of death where life has ben taken directly or indirectly by someone else. Maybe Jack should have said "didn't just die he was murdered."

Originally posted by archiguy
Didn't he say Boone fell off a cliff? When he actually fell out of a tree [in a plane], I'd have to call that one a big ol' bald-faced lie. :eek: I was really hoping Locke would just tell them that Boone was hurt in another plane crash.

Originally posted by danc8379
Actually, the preview was for the new John Stamos show, but close enough. Uh, yeah, that was the one ;). I knew it was one of those new shows. You're memory is better than mine (although that's not saying much...).

ron

Originally posted by scowl
I was really hoping Locke would just tell them that Boone was hurt in another plane crash.

now THAT would have been funny.

Best picture of Evangeline Lilly ever!

http://www.thesuperficial.com/archives/el15.jpg

Originally posted by keenan
Absolutely, it's getting a little old. I can't imagine they would take Locke's character out of the show. Nothing like selective editing to confuse the audience, this happens to be one of my BIG gripes with "Survivor." The audience is asked to watch as the contestants attempt to outwit, outlast, outplay each other... but during the show the audience is generally mislead, via selective editing, about who will get voted off next so in fact... this contrived "reality" show is based upon erroneous assumptions...

Anyway... I digress...

Really, the misleading previews are silly & serve no purpose...

Locke will not be killed off any-time soon, as he will be instrumental to season 2 of Lost...

I predict he will get the "hatch" open & change dramatically... become basically evil... perhaps kidnapping Clair's baby.

Originally posted by Flyer1
Also, I am starting to like the idea that there is a parallel side of the island, especially if the other person on the radio said "we are the survivors of flight 815"

The other side of the radio said:
"There were no survivors of Oceanic flight 815"

Originally posted by keenan
I'm wondering why we have seen a bunch of new folks these last two weeks that we have never seen before. For months all we've seen is the main characters, now all of a sudden we see more of the survivors....and where is the black woman, is she still staring at the ocean..?

I read that the actress who plays her is in a play that is conflicting with the shooting schedule...but apparently she will be back.

Originally posted by mollerup

...Which leads to an interesting story some day...have one or maybe two shows devoted to a completely different group or clique. Show the island from their perspective...maybe even have them commenting on the "leader" group or something along those lines, but only include the main group as secondary characters in these particular shows. Could even get into their back stories and/or linkage/crossovers to the main group... [/B]

Now THAT would be cool. Sort of like the play Rosencrantz and Guildernstern are Dead...minor characters commenting on what is going on in Hamlet. Take an episode we've already seen....and show it from their perspective---I like it! Writers?

I think that exodus might mean all of the survivors leaving Australia for LA via flight 815... I bet we get a bunch of short back stories about right before they all get on the plane. Obviously it can't mean that they get off the island, cause then they wouldn't be lost any more.

Originally posted by petergaryr
I read that the actress who plays her is in a play that is conflicting with the shooting schedule...but apparently she will be back.

I have read that as well, in fact now that I think about it, we haven't seen any of her back-story have we?

Originally posted by keenan
I'm wondering why we have seen a bunch of new folks these last two weeks that we have never seen before. For months all we've seen is the main characters, now all of a sudden we see more of the survivors....and where is the black woman, is she still staring at the ocean..?

That's what I've been trying to say. For example, I have seen only 2 locales used for sleeping, the beach & cave. I don't recall seeing anyone other than the main characters in the cave. The beach looks fairly large, but the only time we see the "extras" is when there is a big event of some type, otherwise we don't see them on the beach with the main characters. I don't remember the actual number of survivors, but it seems like there is always a new face. Last night's episode showed a younger bald guy who would probably be an ideal candidate for the boar hunt with Locke, yet I've never seen him before.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
Jack said that Boone didn't die - he was murdered. I think Jack is going to go on some reckless endangerment angle or something.

Jack doesn't have enough information to make any claim. Maybe after more is disclosed, he can make an argument, but right now, I don't know what he is basing his opinion on other than Locke has disappeared.

Originally posted by petergaryr
Now THAT would be cool. Sort of like the play Rosencrantz and Guildernstern are Dead...minor characters commenting on what is going on in Hamlet. Take an episode we've already seen....and show it from their perspective---I like it! Writers?

Don't give them too many ideas - we might get a whole season 2 that is a complete overlap of season 1 with about a half a seasons worth of new content. :eek:

Originally posted by CPanther95
The other side of the radio said:
"There were no survivors of Oceanic flight 815"

This is actually not a 100% closed issue. We had quite a long discussion on it on another board. After repeated listenings I have changed my mind about what is being said...

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
Not even CSI? Wow!

I've heard of it. I don't have CBS, NBC or ABC programmed in on any of my tv's though (except whatever HD channel it is that carries Lost). Not a real big fan of TV.

Originally posted by hefe
This is actually not a 100% closed issue. We had quite a long discussion on it on another board. After repeated listenings I have changed my mind about what is being said...

...and?? Do tell!

When Jack went back to the beach with the napsack after Boone died, I thought he was going to crack open those little "I Never" bottles of booze. But Kate surprised him. Did anyone else think that?

Originally posted by hefe
This is actually not a 100% closed issue. We had quite a long discussion on it on another board. After repeated listenings I have changed my mind about what is being said...

The fact that some poster on another forum disagrees doesn't change what was said. Closed Captioning tells the truth (on non-live programming)


....and Boone did not say "Don't" in his final words.

Originally posted by CPanther95
The other side of the radio said:
"There were no survivors of Oceanic flight 815"

Well, that's what I thought too. I even brought up the CC on my Tivo.
But on the Lost website, they re-released the audio and the guy said, "We are the survivors of Flight 815". :confused:

"re-released the audio" :confused:

have a link?

Originally posted by hefe
Jack doesn't have enough information to make any claim. Maybe after more is disclosed, he can make an argument, but right now, I don't know what he is basing his opinion on other than Locke has disappeared.

Jack knows he was being lied to because Boone's injuries, specifically the crushed leg, were inconsistent with a fall off a cliff. And when he turned to further question him, Locke had disappeared. Then his "patient" died on him (doctors hate that). :)

Considering how quick Jack is to fly-off-the-handle (demonstrated repeatedly in past episodes), it's not surprising that he would jump to a conclusion and take off like that. This is a guy carrying around a load of emotional baggage.

Originally posted by CPanther95
The fact that some poster on another forum disagrees doesn't change what was said. Closed Captioning tells the truth (on non-live programming)


Is that true, CP?? Someone had told me that CC is NOT screened by the network prior to being placed into the show. That it is just typed in as the person hears it. :confused:

Originally posted by hefe
Jack doesn't have enough information to make any claim. Maybe after more is disclosed, he can make an argument, but right now, I don't know what he is basing his opinion on other than Locke has disappeared.

The way I see it, if Boone "died," it was Jack's responsibility for letting him die. But if he was "murdered" by someone who lied about how it happened, dumped Boone there, and then disappeared, then there was nothing Jack could have done. Maybe his way or trying not to feel guilty.

Maybe, maybe not...

I thought Boone's last words were:

"Tell her...I"

That's what it said on my CC, or at least the last "I" part. I thought he was trying to say "tell her I love her" or "tell her I'm sorry" or something.

Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but is closed captioning available after a program has been recorded? Is there a CC "stream" that's recorded along with the video and audio that can be accessed after the live broadcast?

Originally posted by mknoebel
Is that true, CP?? Someone had told me that CC is NOT screened by the network prior to being placed into the show. That it is just typed in as the person hears it. :confused:

If that was the case, what would you have typed?

After a bunch of listenings, I'd have typed: <garbled response>

Originally posted by CPanther95
"re-released the audio" :confused:

have a link?

Go here:
http://www.abc.go.com/primetime/lost/

Click on Video Gallery: (next to a picture of Charlie)

Click on the Lost Channel (black square near the center)

Click on Lost: Episode 19 Recap -"Deus Ex Machina" (next to a picture of Locke)

You will get a video of Charlie's band, then it will play clips from the show, including the radio sequence.

Originally posted by archiguy
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but is closed captioning available after a program has been recorded? Is there a CC "stream" that's recorded along with the video and audio that can be accessed after the live broadcast?

Yes.

Originally posted by CPanther95
If that was the case, what would you have typed?

After a bunch of listenings, I'd have typed: <garbled response>

I would have typed, "There were no survivors from Flight 815". But the new audio puts a wrinkle into that.

Originally posted by mknoebel
Go here:
http://www.abc.go.com/primetime/lost/

That audio is the same from the show - nothing new about it.

Originally posted by CPanther95
The fact that some poster on another forum disagrees doesn't change what was said. Closed Captioning tells the truth (on non-live programming)


....and Boone did not say "Don't" in his final words.

He distinctly said "To blaive"......and as we all know "to blaive" means "to bluff"... :D

Now, the REAL question is: Is Boone (and to an extent Ethan...) "mostly dead"? Because there's a big difference between "mostly dead and all dead".... :p

Originally posted by CPanther95
The fact that some poster on another forum disagrees doesn't change what was said. Closed Captioning tells the truth (on non-live programming)


There is a member on the other board who actually does the Closed Captioning for Desperate Housewives among other things. He has also done Jeopardy, Sportsnight, Conan O'Brien, etc...

Closed Captioning can be wrong. They get advance tapes of the shows. Sometimes, if it is a sitcom, they may get it without the laugh track. Other shows may not have the music mix. Some shows are harder than others to caption.

But they have to listen and type what they hear. They can be wrong. Sometimes, they can just make mistakes, other times, the tape they have may not include a last minute change that they make to the show. So no, they are not 100% infallible.

Originally posted by archiguy
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but is closed captioning available after a program has been recorded? Is there a CC "stream" that's recorded along with the video and audio that can be accessed after the live broadcast?

Yes. On my Comcast HD DVR, I can turn off the unit, go into a special menu, and turn on CC so that it's on when I watch anything after that, including recorded material. I wish I could do it with the TV itself, but I guess it's coming in a different way since it's through the cable box.


And I could be wrong, but I thought that for shows like this, they sometimes had corporate sponsors for CC. At the end of shows it sometimes says in the CC something like:

Closed Captioning Sponsored by Ford (for example)

And I think it usually has:
Closed Captioning Provided by (CC company name).

Originally posted by CPanther95
If that was the case, what would you have typed?

After a bunch of listenings, I'd have typed: <garbled response>

I would have typed..."[garbled]...survivors of Oceanic Fight 815."

That's only because it's not clear enough for me to be certain.

As I listened to it repeatedly, what I think I hear in that garble is "We're all"
Not conclusively, but that's the way it sounds to me.

Originally posted by hefe
There is a member on the other board who actually does the Closed Captioning for Desperate Housewives among other things. He has also done Jeopardy, Sportsnight, Conan O'Brien, etc...

Closed Captioning can be wrong. They get advance tapes of the shows. Sometimes, if it is a sitcom, they may get it without the laugh track. Other shows may not have the music mix. Some shows are harder than others to caption.

But they have to listen and type what they hear. They can be wrong. Sometimes, they can just make mistakes, other times, the tape they have may not include a last minute change that they make to the show. So no, they are not 100% infallible.

From: http://www.fcc.gov/ftp/Bureaus/Cable/Orders/1996_TXT/fcc96318.txt

2. Types of Closed Captioning

42. There are essentially four major types of closed captioning. The first type is "off line captioning." Under this method, the captioning service gets an advance copy of the script, tape or film before the program is aired. The audio portion of the program, including sound effects as well as dialogue, is transcribed and added in synchronization with the video content. After the program is captioned it is sent to a post-production company or to the program producer on a computer disk or via modem. The captioning is encoded by the post-production company or the producer onto line 21 of the VBI of the master tape to be telecast. This method of captioning entails a labor intensive process to ensure that the captions are placed precisely where the corresponding audio appears and then locked into the proper position on the program tape. The captioners must ensure that the captions will appear at precisely the right moment in a precise location on the screen. This type of captioning is used for feature films and many prerecorded entertainment programming, including prime time series and children's programs.

43. A second type of captioning is live encoded captioning. This type of captioning is also created off-line for prerecorded programming, such as daytime dramas and late night entertainment shows in advance of the time that the program is aired. Despite the name of this form of captioning, these captions are not encoded onto the program tape, but rather are
transmitted with the program at the time it is aired. These captions are less precisely synchronized than off-line captions and are rolled from the bottom of the screen rather than appearing at precise locations on the screen. Live encoded captioning is often used where there are only a few hours between taping and airing and the final edits for the program are not
completed until close to air time. An example of a program that uses this type of captioning is the Late Show With David Letterman, where the broadcast occurs only a few hours after the show is taped.

44. A third type of captioning is automatic live-encoded captioning. Like live encoded captions, these off-line captions are not encoded onto the prerecorded program prior to airing, but are transmitted at the time of airing. However, these captions are encoded onto the program after the original airing so that the captions will be automatically transmitted when the program is rebroadcast. A variant of this type of captioning is called "electronic newsroom captioning" in which the captions come from the text in the station's news script computers. Only text transmitted from the scripting computers onto the teleprompters is captioned. Therefore,
unscripted material that does not appear on the teleprompters is not captioned. The electronic newsroom captioning method is commonly used for local broadcast station newscasts.

45. The fourth type of captioning is "real time" or "live captioning." Live programming, such as news, sports and awards shows are typically "stenocaptioned." This method of captioning is used for breaking news and other types of live programming that are unscripted. Under this method, the captioner's computer is linked to the telecast operation center and the captioning material is created for telecast in "real time." A specially trained "stenocaptioner" transcribes the audio portion of the live program as it airs. Because of the transcription and computer processing required, real time captioning appears on the screen about three seconds after the corresponding audio content.

I suppose that when we find these survivors of the other half of the plane, we will find Rose's husband then...

Originally posted by hefe
I would have typed..."[garbled]...survivors of Oceanic Fight 815."

That's only because it's not clear enough for me to be certain.

As I listened to it repeatedly, what I think I hear in that garble is "We're all"
Not conclusively, but that's the way it sounds to me.

"We're all" and There are" sound very similar. I listened to that cut 3 times and the cadence of the speech makes me think that he said "there are". It was the dismissive tone of the statement that convinces me.

Originally posted by CPanther95
42. There are essentially four major types of closed captioning. The first type is "off line captioning." Under this method, the captioning service gets an advance copy of the script, tape or film before the program is aired. [/b] The audio portion of the program, including sound effects as well as dialogue, is transcribed and added in synchronization with the video content. After the program is captioned it is sent to a post-production company or to the program producer on a computer disk or via modem. The captioning is encoded by the post-production company or the producer onto line 21 of the VBI of the master tape to be telecast. This method of captioning entails a labor intensive process to ensure that the captions are placed precisely where the corresponding audio appears and then locked into the proper position on the program tape. The captioners must ensure that the captions will appear at precisely the right moment in a precise location on the screen. This type of captioning is used for feature films and many prerecorded entertainment programming, including prime time series and children's programs.

First, the last 3 types don't even apply.

Second,
There are essentially four major types of closed captioning. The first type is "off line captioning." Under this method, the captioning service gets an advance copy of the script, tape or film before the program is aired.

His experience is that they usually get tapes. All the rest I said is true. I don't know for a fact what Lost does, but I'm saying that just because it is in the C.C. that does not mean it is absolutely 100% accurate. Even if they did get a script, they still could be at the mercy of a last minute audio edit. It happens.

I was under the impression that scripts were provided for most prime time programming. If LOST doesn't, then I'm not sure how they can just assume what was on the radio response.

Originally posted by keenan
"We're all" and There are" sound very similar.

"We are the" and "There were no" aren't nearly as similar - but it's not clear at all...I've listened too many times now - my money is on the closed captioning.

My ears emphatically agree with the CC.

well one thing to think about ... they've got that big ass antenna (well, I'm assuming it's big ... and that your ass is big) on the island that's been transmitting R's distress call for years ... no one's heard it.

So why would Boone be able to contact someone after trying for 30 seconds on some small radio in a plane that's been in a tree for many years?

perhaps there ARE 'other survivors' and perhaps they're at the large antenna R used???

Or ... maybe some of the red shirts were out for a stroll and found the antenna ... heard boone's mayday, recognized it was him, and thought it'd be a funny joke to respond back.

I don't know if it has been mentioned before, this thread grows very fast, but what's more important than what he said is what if anything the person on the other end of the radio is going to do about it. I would think that in some form, that radio transmission would have to have some importance in some future episodes.

And due to edits, sometimes CC gives you something that was edited out. This happens most often on the Simpsons. When the cast members of Bonanza made an appearance at the Springfield Mall and turned out to be the Indians, Fox cut out Homer yelling at them "Go back to where you came from, you lousy Native Americans!" Fortunately the hallarious line survived in CC.

Originally posted by CPanther95
"We are the" and "There were no" aren't nearly as similar - but it's not clear at all...I've listened too many times now - my money is on the closed captioning.

Were you able to listen to the "re-released" audio?? I don't think it's the same audio that was on the show last week. (But I can't get into it right now to hear if it's the same as I heard last Friday).

Originally posted by CPanther95
my money is on the closed captioning.

Me too..

Originally posted by mknoebel
Were you able to listen to the "re-released" audio?? I don't think it's the same audio that was on the show last week. (But I can't get into it right now to hear if it's the same as I heard last Friday).

I listened to it three times and it sounds identical to the broadcast to me.

Originally posted by mknoebel
Were you able to listen to the "re-released" audio?? I don't think it's the same audio that was on the show last week. (But I can't get into it right now to hear if it's the same as I heard last Friday).

It sounded the same to me, but you can't play back - you have to listen to the whole summary, so I didn't listen more than once.

If you go here:
http://www.lostlinks.net/audio.htm

You can get a copy that you can play back.

I still am not sure. I thought for sure that it was, "There were no..." until listening to this audio. Now I'm not so sure???

well one thing to think about ... they've got that big ass antenna (well, I'm assuming it's big ... and that your ass is big) on the island that's been transmitting R's distress call for years ... no one's heard it.

So why would Boone be able to contact someone after trying for 30 seconds on some small radio in a plane that's been in a tree for many years?

That's *exactly* what I've been thinking...

The plane's batteries still had a charge left in them?

And aircraft radios don't have very long range when they're sitting on the ground, yet someone heard Boone, but no one heard Rousseau's transmission in 16 years?

Personally, I think Boone was talking to Ethan's people at the transmitter site...

—Dan

Originally posted by mknoebel
If you go here:
http://www.lostlinks.net/audio.htm

You can get a copy that you can play back.

I still am not sure. I thought for sure that it was, "There were no..." until listening to this audio. Now I'm not so sure???

I've changed my mind. Either that is not what was broadcast or I didn't hear it right when it was, but that definitley says "We're the survivors".

Yup, no doubt at all.

Originally posted by danco
That's *exactly* what I've been thinking...

The plane's batteries still had a charge left in them?

And aircraft radios don't have very long range when they're sitting on the ground, yet someone heard Boone, but no one heard Rousseau's transmission in 16 years?

Personally, I think Boone was talking to Ethan's people at the transmitter site...

—Dan

Or how bout the fact that Boone knew EXACTLY which buttons/dials to manipulate to fire up the radio! He's one smart cookie....

:cool:

Originally posted by keenan
I've changed my mind. Either that is not what was broadcast or I didn't hear it right when it was, but that definitley says "We're the survivors".

Yup, no doubt at all.

That audio link definitely says "We're the survivors of Oceanic flight 815"

But it was manipulated by someone. When Locke says "Get out, now" right before the response, it doesn't mesh with the live broadcast. On the show he said (very deliberately) Get oout....now. On the audio clip he says GET OUT NOW!

If you listen to Locke at the 12 to 14 second mark - that's the same GET OUT NOW audio that was dubbed in at the beginning of the "We're the survivors" response.

I guess you could say that the LOST creators cut a new audio clip, but my assumption would be that it's a hoax.

Originally posted by danco
That's *exactly* what I've been thinking...

The plane's batteries still had a charge left in them?

And aircraft radios don't have very long range when they're sitting on the ground, yet someone heard Boone, but no one heard Rousseau's transmission in 16 years?How do you know that no one heard Rousseau's transmission?

Originally posted by keenan
I've changed my mind. Either that is not what was broadcast or I didn't hear it right when it was, but that definitley says "We're the survivors".

Yup, no doubt at all.

I followed that link...Sounds faked/enhanced to me...I'm a bit skeptical :-)

It's also a different voice on the other end of the radio.

Nobody heard Rousseau's transmission because of two things:

1. Very few people have travelled within range of the radio signal
2. Those that have were either not listening to their radio at the time or were on a different frequency. Heck, I have gone over a year without finding out that there was an Asian radio station playing locally before and I listen to my radio all the time (in the car).

Originally posted by Iteki
I followed that link...Sounds faked/enhanced to me...I'm a bit skeptical :-)

Sounded fake? I picked up the same audio from the ABC/Lost website. What, are they faking clips to their own show?

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
Sounded fake? I picked up the same audio from the ABC/Lost website. What, are they faking clips to their own show?

See Cpanther's comment, he expressed it fully. It sounds chopped (edited).

I think it's dubbed too. I only heard it the once during the show but IIRC the voice on the other end was very scratchy and not nearly so clear. And anyway, why would they just say plainly and without any emotion, "hello? we're the survivors..."? It's not even a realistic response to someone yelling on the other end claiming to be a survivor. If it really were supposed to be some survivors don't you think they'd be just a bit excited to be hearing from somebody? Anybody? Sure didn't sound like it on the re-edit, uhh, I mean "redownloaded" tape ;).

ron

Originally posted by R11
I think it's dubbed too. I only heard it the once during the show but IIRC the voice on the other end was very scratchy and not nearly so clear. And anyway, why would they just say plainly and without any emotion, "hello? we're the survivors..."? It's not even a realistic response to someone yelling on the other end claiming to be a survivor. If it really were supposed to be some survivors don't you think they'd be just a bit excited to be hearing from somebody? Anybody? Sure didn't sound like it on the re-edit, uhh, I mean "redownloaded" tape ;).

ron

Well, I've still got the original episode on the TiVo at home, so I'll do a direct comparison later.

I ran them at the same time.

Originally posted by jaypb
Or how bout the fact that Boone knew EXACTLY which buttons/dials to manipulate to fire up the radio! He's one smart cookie....

WAS one smart cookie. ;) (In a Locke's Cabana Boy sorta way -- I'm just wondering when locke is going to realize he's turned into his father)

So, for this clip, from what I'm understanding, it's on ABC's website, too, is that correct?

If that IS correct, and the creators edited it... don't you think they'd do it so we'd know what the voice was saying? They wouldn't mislead us THAT badly, would they (previews for the next episode notwithstanding!)?

Originally posted by hefe
Well, I've still got the original episode on the TiVo at home, so I'll do a direct comparison later.

I just did this and it sounds different. The broadcast version is much more garbled whereas that link above is far too clear, and the voice sounds different as well.

Originally posted by keenan
I just did this and it sounds different. The broadcast version is much more garbled whereas that link above is far too clear, and the voice sounds different as well.

I'll capture and post the episode audio later on...

BTW, the person I referred to works for Vitac, which is contracted by studios to do captioning.
http://www.vitac.com/services/prerecorded.htm
"Prerecorded captioning" (also called offline captioning) is the process of adding captions to previously recorded video. VITAC provides this service for many of the most popular network and syndicated television series, children's programs, DVDs, home videos, commercials and more.

Our captioners listen to the videotape and transcribe the dialogue, breaking the transcript into captions.


I'm not saying specifically that I know who does Lost, only that it's mostly done this way.

This is from a site that I think transcribes the scripts directly from the broadcast, so how valid it is, who knows...

http://www.twiztv.com/cgi-bin/lost.cgi?episode=http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/Deus_ex_Machina_Lost.htm
TWIZ TV l Lost Episode Transcript

[Boone finds another map then looks at the instrument panel. He tries the radio and hears static. The plane starts toppling over, but stops.]

Locke

Boone, Boone, get out!

Boone [to the radio]

Hello. Hello. Anybody out there? Mayday, mayday.

Locke

Boone, there's no time. Get out now.

Radio Voice

Is someone there?

Boone

Hello. Hello. Can you hear me?

Radio Voice

Repeat your transmission please.

Boone

Hello. We're survivors of the crash of Oceanic flight 815, please copy.

Locke [overlapping]

Boone, get out!

Radio Voice

Hello. We're the survivors of Oceanic flight 815(?).

Locke [overlapping]

Boone, get out.

[The plane falls and flips over. Locke struggles to get up and gets Boone to carry him back to Jack.]

Originally posted by CPanther95

I guess you could say that the LOST creators cut a new audio clip, but my assumption would be that it's a hoax.

That's what I thought when I first heard it as well. But it did come right from the ABC/Lost website, so I think they're just trying to create a little buzz!

We already know what the official transcription says from the CC.

Let's assume for the moment that it is a "new" version of the sequence (since it really sounds like it is anyway). So the question becomes, did they do it to clarify the earlier version since it was so hard to understand? Or did they just do it just to mess with everybody's heads? :). I say the latter. Create a little controversy and give the LOST cognoscente something to hash and rehash during the looong pre-sweeps break. I can just see it now. JJ and his cronies are sitting back high-fiving each other saying "Ha! I can't believe it. Those AVSers spent TEN PAGES arguing about that thing". :D

ron

We'll know when Deus Ex Machina is replayed as a rerun. Does it have the original or new audio (and presumably the new CC)

Maybe they realized they screwed up the audio and made it more ambiguous than it was supposed to be. When I watched it I distincly heard "There were no survivors..." I haven't listened to the new clip yet.

Originally posted by CPanther95
We already know what the official transcription says from the CC.

We know what it says. My whole point is that there is nothing "official" about it. That's an assumption that can't be made.

I think they wanted just this. To confuse the audience more. :p And they could go either way later...

Hong.

Here's the actual audio clip as played in the episode. I just recorded it right out of my TiVo and clipped it to the relevant portion to keep it small. I haven't heard the one that people are saying is edited, but regardless, you can take this one to the bank...as heard on TV, no modification whatsoever.

I don't know how anyone can say for sure what is said in the disputed part. To my ears, it sounds more like "we're all" than "there are no."

But either way, it isn't definitive.

On the broadcast, I definitely heard "There are no survivors", I remember thinking "how rude", most aviators or controllers (who you would get on that radio) would come back asking for more info.
Perhaps someone, Ethan?, is trying to tell them they're DOOMED

Originally posted by keenan
This is from a site that I think transcribes the scripts directly from the broadcast, so how valid it is, who knows...

Radio Voice Hello. We're the survivors of Oceanic flight 815(?).

If this is the case are the playing some atmospheric reflexion game?? Bait and Switch?

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