Originally posted by hefe
We know what it says. My whole point is that there is nothing "official" about it. That's an assumption that can't be made.

My point is what actually made the air is what I'm considering "Official" and not subject to just being created to manipulate the fan base via the internet.

This new mix where they've added the voice in and cut and copied Locke's voice a second time was created by someone for unknown reasons. When it makes the air in a rerun - it will become official. IMO

Originally posted by rickmccamy
This thread, 10 more posts while you are typing your own!
A measure of the shows popularity.

Or a sad indicator of our unhealthy obsession. ;)

Originally posted by CPanther95
My point is what actually made the air is what I'm considering "Official" and not subject to just being created to manipulate the fan base via the internet.

This new mix where they've added the voice in and cut and copied Locke's voice a second time was created by someone for unknown reasons. When it makes the air in a rerun - it will become official. IMO

I captured the audio directly from the episode. It's a couple posts above.

Originally posted by rickmccamy
On the broadcast, I definitely heard "There are no survivors",

Listen again and see if you still say that.

TheTimm,

since you're watching LOST in DD5.1, did you have to crank the volume on your receiver higher than usual to get a decent volume level? I seem to be experiencing this w/ any DD5.1 shows on TV.

tony

I've got in HD and DD5.1 and I've listened about a hundred times and it's not any clearer. Everyone in my family thinks they can hear "no survivors of Oceanic Flight 815"

My youngest (the smartass) says maybe the other side was just attempting to repeat what Boone said since Boone said "Please Copy" :D

What is very clear is that the emphasis is on the 2nd syllable.

There ARE no survivors......

seems to make more sense than

We're ALL survivors.....

If anything you'd think they'd empasize the WE unless they somehow knew about the LOST group.

Originally posted by neoufo51
Best picture of Evangeline Lilly ever!

http://www.thesuperficial.com/archives/el15.jpg

I kind of like this other one (http://www.thesuperficial.com/image.php?path=/archives/el6.jpg), she's looking over her shoulder saying, "come with me" oop, that did it.

What's very clear is that the clip noted earlier is very different from what was in the broadcast.

Originally posted by CPanther95
What is very clear is that the emphasis is on the 2nd syllable.

There ARE no survivors......

seems to make more sense than

We're ALL survivors.....

If anything you'd think they'd empasize the WE unless they somehow knew about the LOST group.

The first word you can understand is survivors. The others are not clear.

I'm not saying what it sounds like to me even makes a great deal of sense, just that those are the closest words I can put to what I am hearing. I definitely don't hear "no" in there at all.

You can hear the emphasis though - at least on the HD-Tivo replay.

Don't think this link has been posted yet, but here is a replayable AUDIO and VIDEO clip straight off the ABC Lost web site...


ABC Lost Link (http://mfile.akamai.com/9890/asf/abcvod.download.akamai.com/9890/media/Primetime/lost_117_recap_vm3s_high.asx)

This should open up the exact file that is playing in the media player on the ABC web site. But it will open in your Windows media player along with the ff/rw controls. At least it worked for me.

From this I really 'think' I hear "we're the survivors..." but still hard to tell.

From reading other posts, still not clear as to what others who have the show recorded have said. After listening to this copy from the ABC post, do people now think that the ABC web site copy is edited and different from what originally aired?!? This is getting too confusing. I sure wish I had kept mine on the TIVO!!!

Originally posted by mollerup
Don't think this link has been posted yet, but here is a replayable clip straight off the ABC Lost web site...


ABC Lost Link (http://mfile.akamai.com/9890/asf/abcvod.download.akamai.com/9890/media/Primetime/lost_117_recap_vm3s_high.asx)



Well, I have no clue anymore, that definitely sounds like "we're the survivors". In fact, that is probably the most credible playback I have heard so far.

Besides, it makes more sense for the story.

Originally posted by mollerup
From reading other posts, still not clear as to what others who have the show recorded have said. After listening to this copy from the ABC post, do people now think that the ABC web site copy is edited and different from what originally aired?!? This is getting too confusing. I sure wish I had kept mine on the TIVO!!!

That is definitely the "new" clip and definitely not what was aired. Sounds like "we're the survivors" on the new clip.

Considering that is now directly from the website we'd have to assume that both are "official" or valid. The fact that it was clearly re-edited obviously points to what direction the writers have decided to head.

Tail Survivors or Clones? :D

I am leaning towards tail survivors.

A far-fetched alternative would be a later Oceanic flight 815 (if they didn't re-number the flight, which they usually do) and that flight also crashed.

As far as Ethan being the person on the other end of the line, why does it have to be Ethan? Couldn't it be another one of "the others" or perhaps even the mysterious Alex?

I just listened and he definitely says;

"no, we're the survivors of Oceanic flight 815"

The writers must have wanted to clear up all the mis-info because of what people thought they heard.

Just as a reference for those interested, here is a link to a post today from a member of the other forum who actually does the closed captioning for some of these episodes...we were having a similar arguement over there. ;)
The answer is no, they don't provide the scripts.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=2756658&&#post2756658

Originally posted by keenan
Radio Voice

Is someone there?


Now if a person is sending an SOS over a commercial radio frequency, why would someone on the other end, presumably a person in a control tower, ask this?

Does not sound like the response that an air-traffic controller or pilot would make. It sounds like the response of someone trapped someplace, listening to a radio in hopes that someone else is out there.


I was waiting for the new born baby to lookup and say, "my name is Boone." A child that is born fully aware (to steel a thought from "Dune.")

Originally posted by dmbatch
I just listened and he definitely says;

"no, we're the survivors of Oceanic flight 815"

The writers must have wanted to clear up all the mis-info because of what people thought they heard.

After listening to the clip on the ABC web site, I'm leaning towards this explanation.

Originally posted by CPanther95
[B]That is definitely the "new" clip and definitely not what was aired. Sounds like "we're the survivors" on the new clip.

I hear "we're the survivors" also on this clip. The other one was not clear at all. Strange sh*t, huh?

Two groups of "Lost" survivors (identical or opposite). The "hatch" leads to the other group.

Paul

when's the 2 hour finale?

and i think that thing locked dug up is a/n UFO...

Originally posted by hefe
Like carrying him miles through the jungle to get to an actual doctor?

Good point! But if he could acrry him through the jungle, why couldn't he help go up into the plane? I just felt like he set him up to go up in the plane, and I thought it was very odd that he took off once Jack started working on Boone. It seemed that previously Locke was a good guy, and would always help anyone in need, but not in this case.


And in the preview when Jack says Boone was murdered, who besides Locke could be the murderer?

Originally posted by Paul Bigelow
Two groups of "Lost" survivors (identical or opposite). The "hatch" leads to the other group.
Paul

"Journey to the Other Side of the Sun"

i just listened to it a few times and it does indeed sound like they say "WE'RE the survivors of flight 815!"

To me the tone of the voice sounds more like surprise and excitement... if it were just some guy saying there were no survivors his voice would have been more calm.

i'm really starting to wonder if there aren't other survivors at the french lady's tower and boone picked up their signal.

I don't know what other signal he'd pick up...

Originally posted by mulesqb
Good point! But if he could acrry him through the jungle, why couldn't he help go up into the plane? I just felt like he set him up to go up in the plane, and I thought it was very odd that he took off once Jack started working on Boone. It seemed that previously Locke was a good guy, and would always help anyone in need, but not in this case.


And in the preview when Jack says Boone was murdered, who besides Locke could be the murderer?

Jack is calling it murder because he is kind of a hot-head that jumps to conclusions. And he just went through an emotional night, and because he knows Locke hasn't told him the whole truth. He is assuming things, but he's done that before, like when they tortured Sawyer over the medicine he didn't have or blamed him for stealing the water.

Jack doesn't know what happened.

As for Locke and his legs, it seems more to me like whatever this force on the island is, it made sure Boone was the one to go up by taking away Locke's ability to walk.

Locke was screaming for Boone to get out - don't think he was faking. The island "took away" his legs and didn't give them back until Boone crashed.

Locke can't die. We still have'nt found out all there is to know about him.

He acted as if he never shot a gun before when hunting with his father. Now he is a survivalist from H*LL. We still don't know how he lost use of his legs (do we?).

His father seemed to be an outdoors type person. Maybe Locke had to go on some journey to find his father later on, thats why he became such a survivalist. His father may have been on the walk-about tour he was trying to go on in Australia. He may have been trying to prove himself to his father...

If Locke dies, many people, myself included, will be upset. I can't see the writers killing him off...

Originally posted by CPanther95
Tail Survivors or Clones? :D

Was there ever any doubt? :-)

Whatever this supposedly "official" link is, it's not what aired. I am watching a tape (don't have it on the HD DVR still) of the actual episode I taped for a friend, along with this clip.

It looks like maybe an early, rough cut with incomplete sound effects, etc.

I don't know how this:
http://mfile.akamai.com/9890/asf/abcvod.download.akamai.com/9890/media/Primetime/lost_117_recap_vm3s_high.asx
is the "official" ABC website, but anyway... (Where did it come from, anyway? that's not really a part of the ABC website, is it?)

The whole scene on this link is shorter than in the real broadcast, missing a bunch of stuff. The music is missing, as is the static from the radio, etc. Maybe this is a leaked rough cut of the show, before the final music and sound effects were put in or something. I think it would be too much trouble to take OUT the music and sound effects to fake something like this. But if we don't know the source of this tape, we'll never know.

But if it is official, and it's like a montage of the basic scenes, that would explain why there is no music (would sound weird jumping through parts of a song when parts are cut out).

I also noticed that in the original broadcast, after Boone says "Mayday mayday!" the voice that says "Is someone there?" sounds very urgent. On this link, that voice says it very slowly with no urgency, no enthusiasm. The same thing happens for the next line, "Repeat your transmission." Aired footage is very urgent, and this link has a lackidasical voice, that even adds "please" to the end.

And to the million dollar question, the link definitely says, "Hello, we're the survivors of..." But in listening to the actual broadcast, I can't say 100% either way, but my gut instinct tells me that it's the same - "WE'RE THE survivors of...".

I remember thinking during the show, and I had the CC on at the time, if it really was someone in an airplane, etc., why would they react like "no, you're not a surviror, man, 'cause there were no survivors". It fits the situation more that it's "WE'RE THE survivors" because even our own cast seems to think they're the only ones on the island as well. If someone contacted them, they'd probably say the same thing - hey, we're the survivors, we thought we were the only ones.

So, the voice in this clip is different than the one that actually aired - at least it's a different recording. That much is obvious.

My opinion now that I've looked is that there really is another group on the island, and it would be a mystery, or you would think "there are/were no survivors" if you just watched the show. So only serious fans who dig up these clips on the website are going to hear the truth. Maybe ABC did put in a new voice, one recorded without the scratches, to make it more clear what was said. So I think there is another group of survivors on the island, either at the control tower or with their own radio equipment.



One more thing -- Locke's "hatch" is hardly just a hatch anymore. They dug around it so it sticks out like a sore thumb. They can't just throw some leaves over the glass and hide it anymore...

Originally posted by ldivinag
when's the 2 hour finale?

and i think that thing locked dug up is a/n UFO...

With english numbers on the side?

QUESTION -- The "magic numbers" on compartment -- were they imprinted on there like with a machine? Or did they look like someone carved them there? I wonder if it really is supposed to be some sort of UFO or spacecraft, or part of one.

Originally posted by cyberbri
QUESTION -- The "magic numbers" on compartment -- were they imprinted on there like with a machine?

Looked like it was machine "stamped" to me.

Originally posted by cyberbri
.
I don't know how this:
http://mfile.akamai.com/9890/asf/abcvod.download.akamai.com/9890/media/Primetime/lost_117_recap_vm3s_high.asx
is the "official" ABC website, but anyway... (Where did it come from, anyway? that's not really a part of the ABC website, is it?)

I also noticed that in the original broadcast, after Boone says "Mayday mayday!" the voice that says "Is someone there?" sounds very urgent. On this link, that voice says it very slowly with no urgency, no enthusiasm. The same thing happens for the next line, "Repeat your transmission." Aired footage is very urgent, and this link has a lackidasical voice, that even adds "please" to the end.

One more thing -- Locke's "hatch" is hardly just a hatch anymore. They dug around it so it sticks out like a sore thumb. They can't just throw some leaves over the glass and hide it anymore...

Got IT! This Link came out of the HATCH!!!!

Originally posted by cyberbri
Whatever this supposedly "official" link is, it's not what aired. I am watching a tape (don't have it on the HD DVR still) of the actual episode I taped for a friend, along with this clip.

It looks like maybe an early, rough cut with incomplete sound effects, etc.

I don't know how this:
http://mfile.akamai.com/9890/asf/abcvod.download.akamai.com/9890/media/Primetime/lost_117_recap_vm3s_high.asx
is the "official" ABC website, but anyway... (Where did it come from, anyway? that's not really a part of the ABC website, is it?)

I believe that it is a hosting company that is doing the multimedia for ABC.

If you go to the ABC website, click on the Lost page, click on the Video Gallery, click on the Lost Channel, and then click on the episode recap for this episode, you see this very file. Except when you get to it that way, it pops up in a custom window that doesn't allow you to rewind or fast forward.

The poster found the direct link to the file and posted it so we could see it with those controls. If you don't believe it, got to the ABC website and find it the way I said...it's the same file.

To me, its sounds like a hasty re-edit to cover for confusion that has arisen. The interesting thing will be to see when it reruns...will it be edited there?

Originally posted by mulesqb
It seemed that previously Locke was a good guy, and would always help anyone in need, but not in this case.


Locke has always been a capable guy, I'm not so sure he is a good guy. Locke has always pretty much been out for himself, only helping others when it does not interfere with his goals. And I'm sure those goals are to stay on that island and that's why he took off when he left Boone, I bet he was going to make sure the radio was destroyed.

On the other hand, things happen to these people one day, and then the next, it's like they are not concerned about it. Like when Hurley met up with Rosseau, they just go back to the beach like it's no big deal, no search for her, nothing.

CP I tend to agree with your youngest... the other voice saying "(We're the) survivors of Oceanic flight 815" could merely mean they were trying to clarify what Boone said.

That one doesn't make sense, Peter. Say it to yourself. They would say "you're".

Originally posted by maxman
That one doesn't make sense, Peter. Say it to yourself. They would say "you're".

I was thinking more in line of the transmissions being garbled, in the sense of the other person asking [did you just say]..."we're the survivors..."

But I agree with you, it would be more logical if trying to clarify to say, [did you just say that]..."your're the survivors...?"

I can't think of a show that has been this addictive in a long time (well, maybe the new Battlestar Galactica..)

I've played the clip hefe linked from his tivo, sounds very much like Boone's own voice coming back on the radio... in an "am radio" kind of way..

The TIVO clips sounds like either:

"OUR survivors on (something) flight 8-1-5";
or
"There ARE survivors on (something) flight 8-1-5".

Originally posted by riveyman
I've played the clip hefe linked from his tivo, sounds very much like Boone's own voice coming back on the radio... in an "am radio" kind of way..

I don't hear that - a difference response and different inflection.

At this WEBSITE (http://anthology.webphilia.com/lost.html) , they are claiming "muffled" response and then the "...survivors of Oceanic Flight 815...".

Originally posted by cyberbri

I don't know how this:
http://mfile.akamai.com/9890/asf/abcvod.download.akamai.com/9890/media/Primetime/lost_117_recap_vm3s_high.asx
is the "official" ABC website, but anyway... (Where did it come from, anyway? that's not really a part of the ABC website, is it?)

If you pull up the clip directly from ABC's website and check properties, the location of the file is: http://mfile.akamai.com/9890/asf/abcvod.download.akamai.com/9890/media/Primetime/lost_117_recap_vm3s_high.asx

So the "Official" clip is being hosted on akamai.com.

IMO - Since this episode summary was obviously created after the show, it isn't really relevant whether it was changed entirely or simply cleaned up. "We're the survivors of Oceanic flight 815" is what the writers have decided it should say.

It wouldn't be hard to believe that this episode was completed before the last minute additions of Eps. 23 & 24. They may have made a quick change to accomodate the plot of "Exodus" that was probably just written recently.

Originally posted by cyberbri

I don't know how this:
http://mfile.akamai.com/9890/asf/abcvod.download.akamai.com/9890/media/Primetime/lost_117_recap_vm3s_high.asx
is the "official" ABC website, but anyway... (Where did it come from, anyway? that's not really a part of the ABC website, is it?)

As someone else said Akamai (http://akamai.com) is a hosting service. They host alot of high bandwith files for many companies. From Akamai's site:

Akamai Content Delivery Services allow enterprise to increase the global performance, reliability and scalability of all their Web-based content. By using Akamai's distributed EdgePlatform to deliver their content from the edges of the Internet, our customers improve application response time, increase user satisfaction and protect their brand reputation. With over 14,000 servers deployed in over 1,100 networks across 65 countries, Akamai can deliver custom targeted Web, streaming, or Macromedia Flash content directly to your users around the world.

Since the link to akamai was on abc's website we can call this an "official" clip. The questions is, why is it different than what was broadcast?

Originally posted by keenan
On the other hand, things happen to these people one day, and then the next, it's like they are not concerned about it. Like when Hurley met up with Rosseau, they just go back to the beach like it's no big deal, no search for her, nothing.

Considering she has captured, tortured, booby trapped, and shot at them, and nearly blown them up in their only 2 encounters with her, I can't say as I blame them :-)

Originally posted by petergaryr
I can't think of a show that has been this addictive in a long time (well, maybe the new Battlestar Galactica..)

Couldn't agree more. Lost and BSG are, by far, the two most compelling hours of TV we've seen this season, IMO. Brilliant stuff, both of them. And, in spite of being intelligent, well written, and clearly not aimed at kids or the lowest-common-denominator, they weren't canceled!!

Kind of gives one hope, don't it? :D

Originally posted by archiguy
Couldn't agree more. Lost and BSG are, by far, the two most compelling hours of TV we've seen this season, IMO. Brilliant stuff, both of them. And, in spite of being intelligent, well written, and clearly not aimed at kids or the lowest-common-denominator, they weren't canceled!!

Kind of gives one hope, don't it? :D Exactly... and... BSG is televised on a Friday night... (not that we can't time-shift). Two very "adult" oriented (not in an xxx sort of way) shows using a fantasy/sci-fi theme(s). Good entertainment for that all-important 18-49 demographic group of which is my last year of membership. Next year I'm just complete "whale-S*."

BTW...

Is anyone aware of the Tragic News from Canada? (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152793,00.html)

Ricochet?

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
Just catching up...
Damn, man! Can you hold the 24 spoilers for the 24 thread!? Some of us are recording 24 for the summer rerun season!


Has anyone seen my salad tongs?

Originally posted by keenan
Well, I have no clue anymore, that definitely sounds like "we're the survivors". In fact, that is probably the most credible playback I have heard so far.

Besides, it makes more sense for the story.

it sounds to me like:

"WE're the survivors of flight ..."

I think it makes more sense than "there were no survivors on flight ..." What are the chances that some person receiving a tx from an unknown source would know right away what is meant by flight XXX, or that would be their first reaction ("there were no survivors!") Wouldn't they first say something like "did you say flight XXX? You mean the one that went down over the wherever X weeks ago?"

Originally posted by cyberbri
I thought Boone's last words were:

"Tell her...I"

That's what it said on my CC, or at least the last "I" part. I thought he was trying to say "tell her I love her" or "tell her I'm sorry" or something.

the truth is, he was trying to say "tell her ... that I knew about that sex change that she had 3 years ago"

Funny how things go back and forth - check out this post from right after the episode with the radio conversation:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5413075#post5413075

Originally posted by NorthJersey
the truth is, he was trying to say "tell her ... that I knew about that sex change that she had 3 years ago" And the results... clearly show the operation was a "success!":)

Originally posted by barth2k
it sounds to me like:

"WE're the survivors of flight ..."

I think it makes more sense than "there were no survivors on flight ..." What are the chances that some person receiving a tx from an unknown source would know right away what is meant by flight XXX, or that would be their first reaction ("there were no survivors!") Wouldn't they first say something like "did you say flight XXX? You mean the one that went down over the wherever X weeks ago?"

I think everyone can agree that the recording on the website, which seems to be official, says "we're", not "there were no"...the real issue is that the recording is different from what was originally broadcast. For whatever reason the network decided to clarify the point (or outright change it).

We'll find out in a month(!) or so I suppose...

Someone earlier mentioned this and I totally agree...they need to do what 24 is doing this year and go on a continuos 24 episode run. This month between episodes is ridiculous :-(

Originally posted by jackshakes
i just listened to it a few times and it does indeed sound like they say "WE'RE the survivors of flight 815!"

To me the tone of the voice sounds more like surprise and excitement... if it were just some guy saying there were no survivors his voice would have been more calm.

i'm really starting to wonder if there aren't other survivors at the french lady's tower and boone picked up their signal.

I don't know what other signal he'd pick up...

what's really going to "bake your noodle" is, what is the other guy on the radio is/was Boone ? What if, on the other side of the island, was the same survivors from flight 815, and the island is almost caught between the current and an alternate universe, maybe Ethan knows something about that and crossed over from the other side of the island (of course he would have either messed with the manifold or chose another name)

with no new episodes until mid-may when are the # of new posts going to drop off to very few ? By mid-next week?

Originally posted by auburn97
Has anyone seen my salad tongs?

You sent 'em out here a while back, along with your panties. :D

Q.: Did Jack go through with the wedding? I think we were sent quite a few messages that he might not and we did not see the conclusion of the ceremony. I think he backed out.

Originally posted by NorthJersey
with no new episodes until mid-may when are the # of new posts going to drop off to very few ? By mid-next week?

"Real" episodes start back up 5/4.

Originally posted by ridgefamus
You sent 'em out here a while back, along with your panties. :D

Q.: Did Jack go through with the wedding? I think we were sent quite a few messages that he might not and we did not see the conclusion of the ceremony. I think he backed out.

He did indeed go through with it...

Originally posted by PJO1966
He did indeed go through with it... dumb a$$...

Now he "can't" be with Kate!

Man... 5 pages of "we're the survivors.." ... no.. "there were no survivors..."

Sheesh! ;)


I think the hatch will play a big role in where that transmission came from...

Remeber the black lady thinks her husband is still alive... could be in the parallel universe on the other side of the hatch...

Would also explain why Boone was able to get a response from the radio so quickly... the closest transmission point would be the island... on the 'other-side'...

Originally posted by optivity
dumb a$$...

Now he "can't" be with Kate!

What happens on the island - stays on the island. ;)

And apparently, so do the people the happenings are happening to...

Originally posted by CPanther95
What happens on the island - stays on the island. ;) No... that's Vegas... but if you go there with the WAF... not much is going to happen:mad:

Since that's what I did, I guess I'm the dumb-a$$...

Can you go somehwere with a WAF?

Or is it the WAF that's lets you go somewhere...?

;)

My friend, they are (1) in the same...

Can't go anywhere without the WAF...

WAF = wife acceptance factor???

so how do you take that anywhere?

Originally posted by jackshakes
WAF = wife acceptance factor???

so how do you take that anywhere?

Taking it isn't the issue - getting it is the tough part. ;)

Originally posted by CPanther95
Taking it isn't the issue - getting it is the tough part. ;)
sometimes in more ways than one... :)

Originally posted by Iteki
Someone earlier mentioned this and I totally agree...they need to do what 24 is doing this year and go on a continuos 24 episode run. This month between episodes is ridiculous :-(

I think there is a couple of reasons why they have not done this. First, the original episode order was probably low, maybe 8,9 or 10 episodes because ABC had no idea how successful the show would. Once it became clear that it was a hit, they ordered up more eps. Which brings up number 2, because the show became a hit, ABC is placing the eps in the best spots to get maximum exposure for sweeps. Can't blame them really, ABC has been hurting for a long time and now that they have some hit shows they are certainly going to take advantage of it.

*rolls eyes* On topic would be a great thing.

:rolleyes:

am I the culprit, again? ;)


I could post more pictures of Evangeline, if you'd like?

Originally posted by keenan
I think there is a couple of reasons why they have not done this. First, the original episode order was probably low, maybe 8,9 or 10 episodes because ABC had no idea how successful the show would. Once it became clear that it was a hit, they ordered up more eps. Which brings up number 2, because the show became a hit, ABC is placing the eps in the best spots to get maximum exposure for sweeps. Can't blame them really, ABC has been hurting for a long time and now that they have some hit shows they are certainly going to take advantage of it.

I totally understand why it's an issue now, it not having been picked up for more than a half dozen or so eps to start...but for next season?

You gotta blame Nielson. If they'd stop doing sweeps a couple of times a year and rate every week of the year, we'd get less of this crap. 'Cause you know people only watch TV during sweeps periods.

Xesdeeni

Ok. I had to finally make a post here. I've been following this Lost thread from the beginning but never had anything go post.

As far as the audio clip goes, has anyone considered that the other voice is actually saying "Hello. Where are the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815" as opposed to "we're". I admit if the voice is saying "Where are" it is rather quick. However, if he is saying "we're" I think it sounds a little drawn out. Also, "Where are" sounds like a logical question from the voice on the other side. It's also a lot easier to explain than "we're" which implies other survivors or a parallel time/universe explanation.

Originally posted by keenan
I think there is a couple of reasons why they have not done this. First, the original episode order was probably low, maybe 8,9 or 10 episodes because ABC had no idea how successful the show would. Once it became clear that it was a hit, they ordered up more eps. Which brings up number 2, because the show became a hit, ABC is placing the eps in the best spots to get maximum exposure for sweeps. Can't blame them really, ABC has been hurting for a long time and now that they have some hit shows they are certainly going to take advantage of it.

So maybe next season they can move it to Monday nights and not start until after football season - then we might be able to get it with no interruptions.

Excellent point...

except it still doesn't explain how Boone was even able to 'get ahold' of someone so easily...

You have to assume that the French transmission is still being broadcast, correct?

So, If the little airplanes transceiver was able to reach something beyond the island, why aren't the same people able to hear the french transmission and use triangulation to find them?!?

(and lets not start another triangulation debate... ;))

Continuity isn't as crucial to this show as something like 24.

They are all over the place doing flashbacks anyways. And they show things and then drop them, like the hatch lighting up.

Lot of other shows stretch out the season by sticking in a lot of repeats so why should Lost be any different?

Originally posted by wco81
And they show things and then drop them, like the hatch lighting up.
That was part of Locke's dream sequence....

They showed the hatch lighting up at the end of last weeks episode. After Locke dropped Boone off they showed him back at the hatch, and it lit up....after he said something like, "I've done everything you asked!"

Originally posted by JayDog_2
That was part of Locke's dream sequence....

I didn't think that was part of the dream sequence (The hatch window lighting up) but rather an actual event after he had returned Boone to the camp...

Excellent point...

except it still doesn't explain how Boone was even able to 'get ahold' of someone so easily...

You have to assume that the French transmission is still being broadcast, correct?

Wouldn't it be expected that Boone was on the frequency that was tuned in at the time of the crash? Whoever the pilot had contact with or was monitoring would logically be the person on the other end of the conversation, no?

Originally posted by neoufo51
Best picture of Evangeline Lilly ever!

http://www.thesuperficial.com/archives/el15.jpg No. These are:

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/lily4.JPG

I think the audio as it has been adjusted for the clip on ABC's Lost website will be used at the beginning of the applicable episode as a recap. The producers will definitely want to foreshadow events for that episode with the updated audio.

Also, someone mentioned a theory about the hatch having no handle because the survivors were actually on the inside. That is a very interesting idea to ponder.

Originally posted by Tusk
...Also, someone mentioned a theory about the hatch having no handle because the survivors were actually on the inside. That is a very interesting idea to ponder.

Maybe one day a giant light will come crashing down into the camp ala The Truman Show.

Originally posted by wco81
Continuity isn't as crucial to this show as something like 24.

They are all over the place doing flashbacks anyways. And they show things and then drop them, like the hatch lighting up.

Lot of other shows stretch out the season by sticking in a lot of repeats so why should Lost be any different? When I made that post about doing the shows consecutively it had nothing to do with preserving "continuity". It was simply because I really hate seeing a couple ep here, waiting a month and seeing a couple more, then waiting another month to see a few others. I can keep track of what's happening easily enough, but it really takes away from the rolling excitement to have it all chopped up and strung out. And yes, we all know why they do it, but that doesn't make right. I hate the current Nielsen system. I thought I remembered reading a while back that they were supposed to be going to some "real time" ratings system so they could get away from this BS...

ron

Whoops, my mistake on the hatch lighting up... Remember I didn't read the posts here that week, so I didn't remember that episode as well.. ;)

So, yeah.. WTF? :D

Just got the new Entertainment Weekly (Apr. 15 issue) in the mail and it has a lot of coverage of Lost. The cover shot is of Jack, Sawyer, Michael, Sayid, and Dominic and says "Lost Boys - Behind the Plot Twists, Conspiracy Theories, and Bad hair Days of TV's Coolest Drama" and "Exclusive! The Inside Story of LOST's First Casualty" with a picture of you know who.

Anyway just flipped through the pages and it has each of the guy's characters with a one column mini interview. At the end of each is the "Burning Question" paragraph with some good bait for upcoming eps.

Boone's character and plot line gets a full page article.

Pretty cool...might want to check it out when it hits the newsstands.

Interesting fact was that Jorge Garcia "Hurley" was the first character and actor cast for the show...

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Excellent point...

except it still doesn't explain how Boone was even able to 'get ahold' of someone so easily...

You have to assume that the French transmission is still being broadcast, correct?

So, If the little airplanes transceiver was able to reach something beyond the island, why aren't the same people able to hear the french transmission and use triangulation to find them?!?

(and lets not start another triangulation debate... ;))

You have to be listening to the right frequency to pick up Rousseau's transmission. It is possible the transmitter is on a fixed frequency. With the airplane's radio, it is more likely to be on a well monitored frequency.

Originally posted by Tusk
Also, someone mentioned a theory about the hatch having no handle because the survivors were actually on the inside. That is a very interesting idea to ponder. Maybe Christopher Walken and Brendan Fraser will reprise their roles in Blast from the Past?

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
You have to be listening to the right frequency to pick up Rousseau's transmission. It is possible the transmitter is on a fixed frequency. With the airplane's radio, it is more likely to be on a well monitored frequency.
I realize this, but wouldn't most transmission sites have a scanner that is constantly scanning for signals?

Originally posted by R11
When I made that post about doing the shows consecutively it had nothing to do with preserving "continuity". It was simply because I really hate seeing a couple ep here, waiting a month and seeing a couple more, then waiting another month to see a few others. I can keep track of what's happening easily enough, but it really takes away from the rolling excitement to have it all chopped up and strung out. And yes, we all know why they do it, but that doesn't make right. I hate the current Nielsen system. I thought I remembered reading a while back that they were supposed to be going to some "real time" ratings system so they could get away from this BS...

ron

couldn't agree more...

Originally posted by tkwok
TheTimm,

since you're watching LOST in DD5.1, did you have to crank the volume on your receiver higher than usual to get a decent volume level? I seem to be experiencing this w/ any DD5.1 shows on TV.

tony Sorry it took so long to get back to you -- I've been off on a movie bender today.

I do crank it up pretty loud, but not any louder than usual lately. I think the sound levels are intentionally a little low so they can have a wider dynamic range (have explosions and screams and such be really loud without blowing up your equipment). I also think there are settings in your receiver to compress the sound more so you don't have to crank it so much (look for a "night mode" or some such thing -- or do what I do, crank it up and enjoy! The sound on Lost rocks!).

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
You have to be listening to the right frequency to pick up Rousseau's transmission. It is possible the transmitter is on a fixed frequency. With the airplane's radio, it is more likely to be on a well monitored frequency.

They were drug runners. Which freq do they use?

I listened to it again and this is what I heard.

Boone: We're the survivors of flight 815.

Person: You're not after the next episode

Originally posted by PJO1966
He did indeed go through with it...

I never heard them pronounced man and wife, when did that happen?

I'll go back and listen/watch.

Originally posted by SilverHemi03
I never heard them pronounced man and wife, when did that happen?

I'll go back and listen/watch.

They never pronounced it, but they completed their vows and Jack was (seemingly) genuinely happy - so unless something drastic happened in the next minute or two, they're hitched.

Originally posted by TheTimm
Sorry it took so long to get back to you -- I've been off on a movie bender today.

I do crank it up pretty loud, but not any louder than usual lately. I think the sound levels are intentionally a little low so they can have a wider dynamic range (have explosions and screams and such be really loud without blowing up your equipment). I also think there are settings in your receiver to compress the sound more so you don't have to crank it so much (look for a "night mode" or some such thing -- or do what I do, crank it up and enjoy! The sound on Lost rocks!).

This is one show I actually have to adjust the volume lower for, otherwise the voices (no, not the ones in my head!) are too loud. -20 for Lost, -10 for Deadwood by comparison.

Now, now, you're *all* right -- everyone is a survivor of 815.

Then Suzanne Pleshette shakes him and Bob Newhart wakes up.

Paul

My area code is 815:p

Originally posted by CPanther95
Funny how things go back and forth - check out this post from right after the episode with the radio conversation:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5413075#post5413075

See, now that's what I get for trusting you people. I didn't really pay that close attention on the first viewing, and had no reason to doubt what people said it said. Then the controversy started, and I investigated and found the truth...I said as much. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5447861#post5447861)
:)

Oh, by the way, if you were to believe Closed Captioning as official, then Kate didn't steal the contents of safe deposit box 815 in the episode, "Whatever The Case May Be." They wrote 850, even though you could see she took the box right above #816. She didn't say it very clearly though...it sounded like it could be 850.

Originally posted by archiguy
Great episode! The actor playing Boone has got to be bummed. There goes at least a couple more years of gainful employment on a hit show down the tubes, not to mention a chance to live in Hawaii. Back to waiting tables!

He is bummed, but he won't be waiting tables...

http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/23023.htm
April 7, 2005 -- THE actor who plays Boone, killed off on last night's "Lost," isn't happy about becoming the first casualty on one of TV's hottest new shows.

"Pretty devastating," Ian Somerhalder tells Entertainment Weekly. "The week [before] I got the call [telling him the bad news], I started looking for a house in Hawaii.

"Now I'm looking for a house in Venice Beach."

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/...ly/11339534.htm

The devastation factor is further ameliorated by the fact that I.S. (whose initials spell is, as in someone who has being, and is thus not dead) has signed a one-year deal to star in yet-to-be-figured-out ABC show.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Man... 5 pages of "we're the survivors.." ... no.. "there were no survivors..."

Sheesh! ;)

And at the risk of stirring it up again, it doesn't matter what people think they heard (or read). What matters is what the producers intended us to hear, which according to this week's Entertainment Weekly:

"Boone took to his grave the possible revelation that there might be other survivors on the island (voices on the radio in said plane suggested as much)."

Note that I am not posting the many spoilers Damon Lindelof also drops in the set of articles, but I will say that I am sure looking forward to the next few episodes.

Originally posted by hefe
See, now that's what I get for trusting you people. I didn't really pay that close attention on the first viewing, and had no reason to doubt what people said it said. Then the controversy started, and I investigated and found the truth...I said as much. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5447861#post5447861)
:)

I wasn't criticizing you, just pointing out how we've been on different sides of the issue. The original dialog didn't "ring true" or make sense to me - in context - yet I resisted the idea of an alternate explanation (that does make sense in context). OTOH, You had no problem with the original interpretation, but were quick to jump on the new explanation. - Just ironic.

Originally posted by wiggo
Note that I am not posting the many spoilers Damon Lindelof also drops in the set of articles, but I will say that I am sure looking forward to the next few episodes.

Yes, me too! I read the entire article and all it did was leave me wanting more and really wishing there weren't 4 more weeks to wait for the next episode.

Originally posted by wiggo
And at the risk of stirring it up again, it doesn't matter what people think they heard (or read). What matters is what the producers intended us to hear, which according to this week's Entertainment Weekly:

"Boone took to his grave the possible revelation that there might be other survivors on the island (voices on the radio in said plane suggested as much)."



On the EW web site, the author recanted, slightly. He wrote:
"As many of you pointed out, I was wrong last week about the voice on the radio on the plane: Boone didn't hear, as I thought, ''We are the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815.'' Upon further review, it does sound a lot more like ''There were no survivors of blah blah blah . . .'' But my question to you is this: How would that voice know? Could it be that said voice would know because said voice is also a survivor, currently somewhere else on the island, who has wrongfully assumed that no one else survived?"

Of course now that the clip has changed on ABC.com, we simply have to wait.

The other thing to remember is that this is not the first time the idea of other survivors have been hinted at in the show. As I mentioned (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5443902#post5443902) after watching the epsiode the first time -- when the old woman with her husbands wedding ring was talking with Jack before the memorial for those who died in the crash, she was quite addement that her husband was not dead -- that he too survived, somewhere, and was worried for her just as she is worried for him.

I love that people assume Lost producers would never mislead us with closed captions like they do with trailers, and that they would actually change audio from the show on the website. I wouldn't be surprised if they orchastrated this whole debate. :)

-james

Something to do during the dry weeks?

Are we allowed to discuss things we see/hear in previews for the show, or was it decided this is "spoiler" territory? The preview I'm referring to isn't the one shown immediately after the last episode of Lost -- I just saw one during the repeat of the Grey's Anatomy pilot, and it pretty much clears up the whole "there were no..." vs. "we're the..." debate, IMO. Of course, it may just raise more questions. But I don't wanna say anything if those type previews are off limits here.

Any preview that makes the air is fair game.

"If it hasn't aired on the show or the previews for next week's show - it's a spoiler." - CPanther95, 02-22-05 12:37 PM.

"If you didn't see it aired on the show or previews, IT IS A SPOILER." - CPanther 95, 03-08-05 04:39 PM.

"Once a show airs at it's earliest time (presumably EST), anything that happens on that show - including the previews for the following week - are fair game for open discussion. Any speculation based on that previously aired material is also fair game." - CPanther 95, 02-23-05 12:29 PM.

"If you didn't see it aired on the show or previews, IT IS A SPOILER." - CPanther 95, 03-08-05 04:39 PM.

"This thread will be reserved for LOST discussion and "raw" speculation based only on the episode/previews previously aired." - CPanther 95, 03-08-05 05:31 PM.

Originally posted by TheTimm
Are we allowed to discuss things we see/hear in previews for the show, or was it decided this is "spoiler" territory? The preview I'm referring to isn't the one shown immediately after the last episode of Lost -- I just saw one during the repeat of the Grey's Anatomy pilot, and it pretty much clears up the whole "there were no..." vs. "we're the..." debate, IMO. Of course, it may just raise more questions. But I don't wanna say anything if those type previews are off limits here.

I saw that too. Now that it has been confirmed that there are 2 versions of the radio transmission audio, perhaps BOTH are correct. Maybe one is the actual version and the other takes place in someone's dream or something to that effect.

The more I think about it, the more this resembles other preview tactics.

Originally posted by TheTimm
Are we allowed to discuss things we see/hear in previews for the show, or was it decided this is "spoiler" territory? The preview I'm referring to isn't the one shown immediately after the last episode of Lost -- I just saw one during the repeat of the Grey's Anatomy pilot, and it pretty much clears up the whole "there were no..." vs. "we're the..." debate, IMO. Of course, it may just raise more questions. But I don't wanna say anything if those type previews are off limits here.

Thanks for asking. Different forums have different rules. Personally, I think it is appropriate to use spoiler tags for anything that isn't part of an episode in its entirety that has already aired, including previews and commercials, but I won't complain if those aren't the rules here.
If it's close enough to make you question, just use spoiler tags, easy enough, and everyone's happy.

haha, i saw that preview too and was coming here to post about it. there is not doubt now as to what was said/meant to be heard on the radio transmission.

Originally posted by silverstar
haha, i saw that preview too and was coming here to post about it. there is not doubt now as to what was said/meant to be heard on the radio transmission.

Care to elaborate?

Originally posted by maxman
"If it hasn't aired on the show or the previews for next week's show - it's a spoiler." - CPanther95, 02-22-05 12:37 PM.
"If you didn't see it aired on the show or previews, IT IS A SPOILER." - CPanther 95, 03-08-05 04:39 PM Gee thanks. I've read the thread maxman. My confusion is that it didn't air in what I think of as the "previews" -- the ones immediately following the episode. It aired on what I would more likely refer to as a "commercial" that aired during another show, meaning it's not as likely to have been seen by Lost viewers. But I'm going to take your post, and the one after it, as permission to discuss. If I'm wrong I'm sure CPanther'll handle it.

I'm with dlipetz. There are two different quotes being talked about here. What aired on the preview is definitely not what aired during the last episode. I'm not however, guessing that the new version is gonna be from a dream. I'm bettin' that the radio survives the crash and they (or just Locke) try again to reach someone, this time getting through to ...well... the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815. Or at least people claiming to be the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815.
Or another set of clones.:D

Originally posted by hefe
Thanks for asking. Different forums have different rules. Personally, I think it is appropriate to use spoiler tags for anything that isn't part of an episode in its entirety that has already aired, including previews and commercials, but I won't complain if those aren't the rules here.
If it's close enough to make you question, just use spoiler tags, easy enough, and everyone's happy.

Ahem, are we forgetting the NAME of this thread? No spoilers/spoiler tags on THIS thread, remember? There's another thread for them - good luck finding it though.

Originally posted by TheTimm
[B]Gee thanks. I've read the thread maxman. My confusion is that it didn't air in what I think of as the "previews" -- the ones immediately following the episode. It aired on what I would more likely refer to as a "commercial" that aired during another show, meaning it's not as likely to have been seen by Lost viewers. But I'm going to take your post, and the one after it, as permission to discuss. If I'm wrong I'm sure CPanther'll handle it.

I know. I tried to find all of the moderator's comments regarding this and kept adding and editing during the time you were writing this. I take it that "previews" are "previews", whether or not they immediately followed an episode.

Well, if I understand the rules that since it was a preview tht it is OK to discuss so delete this if not appropriate...
Originally posted by CPanther95
Care to elaborate?

VERY distinctly, with no no background noises, said "WE ARE the survivors".

I was with you on thinking the original airing was "There were no"....

Originally posted by hdtvincr

VERY distinctly, with no no background noises, said "WE ARE the survivors".

I was with you on thinking the original airing was "There were no".... Yup.

The question is, was the original unintentionally vague - or did the story arc change since the original show was edited and they did a quick redo.

I would add that the writers/producers must DEFINITELY be reading the forums to air such a dramatically clearer version after all the pages of debating what was said.

Or like someone mentioned... maybe it is a different occuraence that is coming up????

Originally posted by CPanther95
The question is, was the original unintentionally vague - or did the story arc change since the original show was edited and they did a quick redo.

Or as I have already suggested, BOTH are legit and aired as intended.

Originally posted by CPanther95
The question is, was the original unintentionally vague - or did the story arc change since the original show was edited and they did a quick redo. I don't think either. I think the original was what is was -- someone saying there weren't survivors. I think what I heard on the preview is something different -- a different contact attempt, a different response from a different person. Doesn't sound anything like the original from last week's show (by memory, no DVR here), and I don't think they're trying to pass it off like it's the same one. This wasn't a "re"-view, it's a "pre"-view.

Hard to say. I just caught the one tease, but most of what I remember of it was scenes from past recent shows, ie. Locke on the lit hatch, the airplane tumbling down, etc... I don't totally recall the dialouge either, but I thought they mentioned something along the lines like "If you thought you had unanswered questions..."

Good point. Now that you mention it, there were elements of review involved. But I still don't think they were trying to pass it off as the orignal radio response. That would be pretty weak.

Originally posted by TheTimm
I don't think either. I think the original was what is was -- someone saying there weren't survivors.

But the website has the "We Are" version in the Episode summary - not a preview.

I don't think either. I think the original was what is was -- someone saying there weren't survivors.

I just listened again to the original, and I hear "There WERE survivors...", with the inflection on the word "were". I don't hear the word "no", and there wasn't enough room for the word "no". This would only make sense though if the person was perhaps saying it to someone who was there with them in the background. Listen again and see if anyone hears it this way.

Well, then maybe they are just rewriting history. Pretty weak.
It never occurred to me during the original airing that anything other than "there were no survivors..." was said. But like I said, no DVR.:confused:

Originally posted by TheTimm
Well, then maybe they are just rewriting history. Pretty weak.

Just like "1984"!

Originally posted by maxman
I just listened again to the original, and I hear "There WERE survivors...", with the inflection on the word "were". I don't hear the word "no", and there wasn't enough room for the word "no". This would only make sense though if the person was perhaps saying it to someone there in the background. Listen again and see if anyone hears it this way.

i agree, on the original aired conversation, there are not enough syllables for there to be NO anywhere in there. i also agree with the others that have said that they have put this clearer clip out there because there was too much confusion about what was actually said, as it's a pretty crucial part of the storyline. that, and in the preview i just saw, the way they mentioned the "we are the survivors..." was definitely alluding to it being in the previous episode, and not in an upcoming one.

Just saw it again. Could be wrong -- I no longer trust my memory -- but it seems the new response was being said after Jack makes a radio transmission.

Crap. Now I'm gonna be glued to ABC just to try to catch a preview for this damn show.:D

Anything that requires hearing it a dozen times to kinda make out what it might be - was obviously mixed originally to be vague.

Here it is again:

After reading the EW article, they make it very clear that the pace at which the revelations are revealed, and new questions arise, is a very fluid process. They want to keep us hooked but don't want the frustrations that hurt a show like the X-Files. Whether it's online forums or word of mouth - they are listening closely and making last minute decisions as to how, and how fast to proceed.

They want to keep us hooked but don't want the frustrations that hurt a show like the X-Files. Whether it's online forums or word of mouth - they are listening closely and making last minute decisions as to how, and how fast to proceed.

Well personally I like the current rate at which events are procedding. I think they have it paced rather well.
(except for the occasional huge wait between episodes)

- Tom

Is there a preview of an upcoming episode on ABC using the new audio?

Originally posted by TheTimm
Just saw it again. Could be wrong -- I no longer trust my memory -- but it seems the new response was being said after Jack makes a radio transmission.

If true, that would make about, what, a couple hundred posts moot. And if so, anyone from the show that may be viewing this forum must be laughing their a** off at us!

Originally posted by maxman
Ahem, are we forgetting the NAME of this thread? No spoilers/spoiler tags on THIS thread, remember? There's another thread for them - good luck finding it though.

Yeah, the name is no spoilers, which in lots of forums means no untagged spoilers. When you use spoiler tags, the reader doesn't see the content unless they choose to, so no spoiling is done. This is very common in forums, and seems to be the easiest way to handle things that may be spoilers. Again, if that is not the rule here, I won't complain, but it is done elsewhere, and seems to be a reasonable practice in borderline cases.

See, no harm

Originally posted by maxman
Here it is again:
.
thanks for posting the original again...I just compared this one to the web version and they ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT. I had previously been going from memory and wasn't 100 percent sure. That is wild that they would completely change the audio from the originally aired version to the "new" version. I wonder how they will handle reruns.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Anything that requires hearing it a dozen times to kinda make out what it might be - was obviously mixed originally to be vague.

I'm more inclined to think they did not realize how vague or hard to understand the original sounded and cleared it up with the new audio.

The preview during tonight's Grey Anatomy, they made it really, really, no doubt, clear. They played "We're the survivers of Oceanic 815." I'm going with the producers wanted to clear up the vagueness too.

Just saw and heard that preview during GA and it's definitely different.

Maybe next season will be all about the "other" survivors while the current group goes and makes movies for the season with their new found fame...:p :D

Originally posted by hefe
Yeah, the name is no spoilers, which in lots of forums means no untagged spoilers. When you use spoiler tags, the reader doesn't see the content unless they choose to, so no spoiling is done. This is very common in forums, and seems to be the easiest way to handle things that may be spoilers. Again, if that is not the rule here, I won't complain, but it is done elsewhere, and seems to be a reasonable practice in borderline cases.

See, no harm

CPanther95 will clarify, but we went round and round about this about 6 weeks back. He decided that this thread would contain no spoilers, even in spoiler tags. He then created a "spoiler" thread which is, apparently, "lost".

Originally posted by maxman
CPanther95 will clarify, but we went round and round about this about 6 weeks back. He decided that this thread would contain no spoilers, even in spoiler tags. He then created a "spoiler" thread which is, apparently, "lost".

No, this is the Lost spoiler thread. :D

Originally posted by hefe
Yeah, the name is no spoilers, which in lots of forums means no untagged spoilers. When you use spoiler tags, the reader doesn't see the content unless they choose to, so no spoiling is done. This is very common in forums, and seems to be the easiest way to handle things that may be spoilers. Again, if that is not the rule here, I won't complain, but it is done elsewhere, and seems to be a reasonable practice in borderline cases.

See, no harm

Posted by CPanther95 on 03-08-05 05:31 PM:

OK, there's now a separate Spoiler thread for LOST located gere:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/show...472#post5295472

Please post any spoilers in that thread and confine discussion of the spoilers in that thread. Continue to use spoiler tags for the benefit of any newbies that stumble upon it.

This thread will be reserved for LOST discussion and "raw" speculation based only on the episode/previews previously aired. Spoilers in this thread will be deleted.

The link doesn't work.

Originally posted by aaronwt
The link doesn't work.

I told you it was "lost".

Originally posted by dmbatch
No, this is the Lost spoiler thread. :D

There were no survivors of the Lost spoiler thread.

It will be interesting on what is "SAID" and CC'ed when the DVD's are released.
I watch a lot of DVD movies w/ CC on just the see what is being said in quiet hard to hear scenes.

Also, wasen't there something about a UFO found in the movie Sphere dating back to the 50's or something? It's been a while since I've seen that movie. Maybe the Hatch will have that type of connection to the mystery.
Anyone seen that movie recently that can see a comparison?

That "UFO" waas US ship from the future.

With all this talk about 2 versions in a preview here or there I am prompted to offer this observation. I've seen many film previews or ads that include content that never makes it to the theatrical release but still serve a purpose to heighten interest.

YMMV

Originally posted by trbarry
Well personally I like the current rate at which events are proceeding. I think they have it paced rather well.
(except for the occasional huge wait between episodes)

- Tom

Tom,

I agree with you completely. The episodes are kept both interesting yet mysterious enough to keep us wanting to came back for more. I do not believe the writers have much (if anything) to say about the 4 week hiatus, unless they all went on vacation. :)

Originally posted by maxman
Posted by CPanther95 on 03-08-05 05:31 PM:

OK, there's now a separate Spoiler thread for LOST located gere:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/show...472#post5295472

Please post any spoilers in that thread and confine discussion of the spoilers in that thread. Continue to use spoiler tags for the benefit of any newbies that stumble upon it.

This thread will be reserved for LOST discussion and "raw" speculation based only on the episode/previews previously aired. Spoilers in this thread will be deleted.

Yeah, I got it. Probably was during the long hiatus. I didn't bother reading everything during the down time.

The irony is that you guys consider things to NOT be spoilers that I DO, so they can be freely talked about here, and yet are quite strict about not even using a spoiler tag that does a real good job of hiding those questionable things. So I CAN get spoilers here (IMO...previews, commercials, which I generally don't see or try to see) without the choice available of not reading them, but those would be the same things I would merely tag. And I surely wouldn't waste my time going into a no-hold-barred spoiler thread at all. Well, if I ever do have reason to talk about preview material, I'll just tag it out of consideration for anyone who may not want to know.

Originally posted by hefe
Well, if I ever do have reason to talk about preview material, I'll just tag it out of consideration for anyone who may not want to know.

I remove spoiler tags for things that are not considered spoilers to avoid the confusion that it causes.

Has anyone else noticed the "house" or building visible from the beach scenes where the raft is being built? It is a rectangular shape in the trees out on a point of land. I have seen it two weeks in a row when they are working on the raft. I've replayed it using my dvr and I'm sure there is a house there. I figure in SD is appears more like a dark blob in the trees but in HD it is definitely a house.

Originally posted by dlipetz
Or as I have already suggested, BOTH are legit and aired as intended.

So if I apply this principle to Star Wars, Han Solo shot first, second and simultaneously with Greedo but only shot once. He didn't move, twitched and did a head fake all at the same time.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
So if I apply this principle to Star Wars, Han Solo shot first, second and simultaneously with Greedo but only shot once. He didn't move, twitched and did a head fake all at the same time.

Why not? Everybody knows George Lucas changed things in the original Star Wars movies when he released them on DVD.

Just watching "desperate Housewives" and they showed a "LOST" commercial. They showed the scene of the plane falling and replayed the audio This time it was clear as day, "WE ARE THE SURVIVORS OF OCEANIC 815"!

Originally posted by ftboomer
Just watching "desperate Housewives" and they showed a "LOST" commercial. They showed the scene of the plane falling and replayed the audio This time it was clear as day, "WE ARE THE SURVIVORS OF OCEANIC 815"!

I think the ABC execs were getting tired of the fighting in this thread and decided to clear it up once and for all.

I heard it clearly too :D

I think TheTimm might be on to something - that they're 2 separate transmissions; the first to Boone 2 episodes back and the second to Jack in the upcoming episode.

Originally posted by maxman
I think TheTimm might be on to something - that they're 2 separate transmissions; the first to Boone 2 episodes back and the second to Jack in the upcoming episode.

I don't know what to think anymore! I just know I hate having to wait 4 weeks for the next episode :mad:

We saw the promo while watching DH, too, and the wife made me back-up on the Tivo to listen again. She was shocked at how clearly it was a different audio track from what aired originally. I have to wonder if maybe what they are playing on the promo is another blatant misdirection, and is possibly something that will be part of a future new episode, as has been suggested.

Do we even care if they decided to call a mulligan? It was so indecipherable as aired, and if it hadn't been for CC, there would have been no definitive translation at all. I bet you anything that the extra 3 hours of story added to this season at the relative last minute is what prompted them to change or clarify the radio message.

BTW, I just heard it during DH and the voice may as well have been coming from someone sitting in the cockpit. Clear as day: "We're the survivors of Flight 815" (no more "Oceanic")

It's not as if they took us down one path for a few weeks, then decided to do a do-over.

It'll be really interesting to know where the "response" came from won't it? After all, they've been Lost for what...40 days now? Did the "other" survivors station someone in the plane cockpit (or wherever "their" radio is) 24/7 in hopes of getting a distress call out or receiving something back? Would their radio batteries have lasted that long? Or was it by coincidence both sender and receiver turned their radios on at the same time to have this "arguable" transmission take place? Or did they find the island's radio tower?

My money's on tail survivors - hopefully on a different island. I'd hate to think that everyone in the second group is as lazy about investigating the island as the original group.

Season 2: Tail section from crash to "present" time.
Season 3: Current redshirters from crash to "present" time.
Season 4: Tail section redshirters from crash to "present" time.
Season 5: Current group and Tail survivors finally meet up via the Hatch. Backstories show connections between groups.
Season 6: Finally someone decides to discuss a coincidence and the whole season is spent openly revealing the connections between them.
Season 7: They decide it might be a good idea to check out the island. Rousseau gladly offers to take them around the island. Even more "mysteries" and questions arise.

* Series sold to syndication
* JJ and writers leave to work on another project
* Writers from the next Star Trek series that will be cancelled come on board.

Season 8: After the 10th episode is filmed, ABC cuts it's order from 20 episodes to 12 and the writing team spends the final 2 hours offering answers that don't make sense to all the questions that have come up during the 7 1/2 years of the show's run. ;)

:D :D :) :) :p :p

I haven't been reading this thread as closely as I had since it was started for the past week. I guess it's a good thing because this thread has had 6 (by my defaults) pages on the same argument going round and round. I'll start paying more attention when other points are talking about.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Season 2: Tail section from crash to "present" time.
Season 3: Current redshirters from crash to "present" time.
Season 4: Tail section redshirters from crash to "present" time.
Season 5: Current group and Tail survivors finally meet up via the Hatch. Backstories show connections between groups.
Season 6: Finally someone decides to discuss a coincidence and the whole season is spent openly revealing the connections between them.
Season 7: They decide it might be a good idea to check out the island. Rousseau gladly offers to take them around the island. Even more "mysteries" and questions arise.

* Series sold to syndication
* JJ and writers leave to work on another project
* Writers from the next Star Trek series that will be cancelled come on board.

Season 8: After the 10th episode is filmed, ABC cuts it's order from 20 episodes to 12 and the writing team spends the final 2 hours offering answers that don't make sense to all the questions that have come up during the 7 1/2 years of the show's run. ;)

Man...I sure wish you'd have put spoiler tags on that...now all future seasons are ruined for me. Thanks a lot. Loved the Star Trek comment too!

Originally posted by fhall1
Or was it by coincidence both sender and receiver turned their radios on at the same time to have this "arguable" transmission take place?On a related note, was I the only one who wondered why the radio in the Beechnut was off? So they crashed, at least one person was thrown from the plane (he was in a tree after all), and another died on the plane, but one of them, or someone else, took the time to turn off the radio before falling/dying/leaving? But hey, it saved the battery :)

Xesdeeni

Beechcraft.

Originally posted by AzRich
Has anyone else noticed the "house" or building visible from the beach scenes where the raft is being built? It is a rectangular shape in the trees out on a point of land. I have seen it two weeks in a row when they are working on the raft. I've replayed it using my dvr and I'm sure there is a house there. I figure in SD is appears more like a dark blob in the trees but in HD it is definitely a house.
I saw that back in January - see this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4940031#post4940031)
That is modern civilation, complete with manicured lawns, those permanent tiki umbrella things, and other modern amenities. Many people have seen modern things that show up in the filming.

vegggas

Originally posted by Rakesh.S
This is going to be a painful month off, but what can you do?

I'm guessing the season finale ends with the hatch opening....They'll probably have other stories going on until then.

Any chance the "exodus" of the finale is of someone/something coming out of the hatch rather than the raft leaving the island?

Although I think Michael said something about the raft being ready in about a week...at approx. 48 hours/episode, the time line fits for an attempt to leave.

Originally posted by CPanther95
My money's on tail survivors - hopefully on a different island. I'd hate to think that everyone in the second group is as lazy about investigating the island as the original group.

Season 2: Tail section from crash to "present" time.
Season 3: Current redshirters from crash to "present" time.
Season 4: Tail section redshirters from crash to "present" time.
Season 5: Current group and Tail survivors finally meet up via the Hatch. Backstories show connections between groups.
Season 6: Finally someone decides to discuss a coincidence and the whole season is spent openly revealing the connections between them.
Season 7: They decide it might be a good idea to check out the island. Rousseau gladly offers to take them around the island. Even more "mysteries" and questions arise.

* Series sold to syndication
* JJ and writers leave to work on another project
* Writers from the next Star Trek series that will be cancelled come on board.

Season 8: After the 10th episode is filmed, ABC cuts it's order from 20 episodes to 12 and the writing team spends the final 2 hours offering answers that don't make sense to all the questions that have come up during the 7 1/2 years of the show's run. ;)

possible also that the series will be moved to HBO after S2, to fill the void from the Sopranos ending, and some of the writers and producers are brought over from that show, and therefore there will be a new season every other year, since they won't even start filming for the new season until a year after the previous season ended. One advantage of being on HBO, though, gratuitous nudity from the hot women!

If you are going to have gratuitous nudity as an option, take Alias over to HBO as well. As an added bonus, it won't be edited for commercial interruptions every 7 minutes.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
If you are going to have gratuitous nudity as an option, take Alias over to HBO as well. As an added bonus, it won't be edited for commercial interruptions every 7 minutes.

ABC is really milking the commercials on their hit shows.

It's really bad on Desperate Housewives. Seems like they alternate a commercial with one scene.

Not bad enough that they dribble out the plot. In between all the commercials.

It's nice to watch in HD but I may have to just watch it in SD on Tivo to zip past the commercials.

Originally posted by mulesqb
Good point! But if he could acrry him through the jungle, why couldn't he help go up into the plane? I just felt like he set him up to go up in the plane, and I thought it was very odd that he took off once Jack started working on Boone. It seemed that previously Locke was a good guy, and would always help anyone in need, but not in this case.

Someone mentioned this before. After dropping off Boone, Locke heads to the hatch where he pleads with it...something about "I did everything you asked."

I took this as "I did everything you asked and you still took something important from me (ie, Boone)," rather than "I did everything you asked. Now where's my reward?"

Originally posted by htevolution
Someone mentioned this before. After dropping off Boone, Locke heads to the hatch where's he pleads with it...something about "I did everything you asked."

I took this as "I did everything you asked and you still took something important from me (ie, Boone)," rather than "I did everything you asked. Now where's my reward?"

That's exactly how I took it also. Hopefully we'll get the answer this season.

Really? I took it as the opposite. Locke did everything the hatch/island asked him. He saw the vision, followed the sign (the plane), and was sure that there would be something in the plane that would prove to be the key to opening the hatch. That's why they went looking for it, and why Boone threw down the statue from the plane saying "here's your key" or whatever. So when they ended up not finding anything that would help with the hatch, Locke breaks down and says "Why won't you open? I did everything you told me to!"

He seemed pretty unconcerned about Boone, thinking that Jack could just patch him up and he'd be as good as new. At the least, he was more concerned about getting back to the hatch and seeing why it wouldn't open. He seems extremely obsessed with the hatch. And now something didn't go his way, even though he did what the island "told" him to do.

Originally posted by wco81
ABC is really milking the commercials on their hit shows.

It's really bad on Desperate Housewives. Seems like they alternate a commercial with one scene.

Not bad enough that they dribble out the plot. In between all the commercials.

It's nice to watch in HD but I may have to just watch it in SD on Tivo to zip past the commercials.

Alias, DH and Lost. They do alternate a scene with a commercial, especially in the second half hour of the show. I think it's to make up for the extended leadins at the beginning.

As anxious as I am to see these shows as soon as they air, especially Lost, I don't watch then live anymore, the commercials breaks are just too annoying.

In my house, we dvr lost, we watch, say scrubs from the night before, at 8pm, then start watching lost just so we can zip through the commercials. :)

Originally posted by wco81
It's nice to watch in HD but I may have to just watch it in SD on Tivo to zip past the commercials.

I see an HD-TiVo in your future...

Originally posted by wco81
ABC is really milking the commercials on their hit shows.

It's really bad on Desperate Housewives. Seems like they alternate a commercial with one scene.

Not bad enough that they dribble out the plot. In between all the commercials.

It's nice to watch in HD but I may have to just watch it in SD on Tivo to zip past the commercials.

wco81, don't you have Comcast in the SF bay area? Your cable bill will end up being around $50-60 a month to get the DVR, but, it is extremely handy, I just wish they let you get it with the $20 basic subscription...

A while back there was some conversation dealing with the current preview commercial (the one with the different radio transmission audio clip) where it appears Locke may get shot by Sayide (sp?). If you look closely at the preview, it shows Sayide with a gun and he points it at Locke. In that clip, Locke is wearing a white T-shirt. Later, when the preview show Locke being thrown backward (possibly implying that he has been shot) he is wearing a black or dark gray t-shirt.

I think they (ABC or the writers) are intentionally misleading us with the idea that Locke gets shot. This was done just by editing the respective scenes so that they appear back to back in the commercial. I think this kind of thing is fairly common for this type of show. They are looking for an exciting hook to bring you back to watch next time.


I have no idea what their intent is with the new substituted radio clip. I think they obviously mislead us with "previews" of up coming shows. However, I'm not sure if the radio clip is a "review" of a prior show or a "preview". We know they mislead with "previews". Are they now misleading us with "reviews"? Or is the new radio clip just a retraction from the original episode?

I have Direct TV with Tivos and a Samsung HDTV box.

Also have Comcast basic with an HDTV box for $20-25 a month.

There is no way I'm going to go up a tier on Comcast just for the DVR, which sounds really buggy.

I had rested my hopes on Spaceway and Directway but now I wonder about MPEG4 and whatever DVR solutions they will have. They're not suppose to have a DVR until who knows when.

No way I'm paying $1000 for the HD-Tivo either.

You know there are times when I want to pause or rewind on shows like Lost. But I Tivo it too.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
I see an HD-TiVo in your future...

You should have had a spoiler tag on that.;)

Originally posted by wco81
I have Direct TV with Tivos and a Samsung HDTV box.

Also have Comcast basic with an HDTV box for $20-25 a month.

There is no way I'm going to go up a tier on Comcast just for the DVR, which sounds really buggy.

I had rested my hopes on Spaceway and Directway but now I wonder about MPEG4 and whatever DVR solutions they will have. They're not suppose to have a DVR until who knows when.

No way I'm paying $1000 for the HD-Tivo either.

You know there are times when I want to pause or rewind on shows like Lost. But I Tivo it too.

I know, they get you coming and going...as far as the Comcast DVR, all I record is HD on it and I've never had a problem with it, although the general consensus seems to be they are quite buggy...

You can probably squeeze the Good Guys down to 750-800 on the HD-TiVo, but that's still a lot of money..

Originally posted by cyberbri
Really? I took it as the opposite.

He seemed pretty unconcerned about Boone, thinking that Jack could just patch him up and he'd be as good as new. At the least, he was more concerned about getting back to the hatch and seeing why it wouldn't open. He seems extremely obsessed with the hatch. And now something didn't go his way, even though he did what the island "told" him to do.

Even though Locke was obsessed with his own agenda, the island gave him enough strength at the plane to pick up Boone and take him to Jack before he went to the hatch to lament his frustration at it. IIRC, at the time he and Boone located the plane, Locke's legs were gone. At the point in time when the plane fell, Locke began to regain some leg use. I believe the island interceded on Locke's behalf at that point. But I do wonder why he was given the ability to take Boone to Locke if the island wasn't going to help in saving Boone. :confused:

Originally posted by keenan
I know, they get you coming and going...as far as the Comcast DVR, all I record is HD on it and I've never had a problem with it, although the general consensus seems to be they are quite buggy...

You can probably squeeze the Good Guys down to 750-800 on the HD-TiVo, but that's still a lot of money..

I read somewhere on here that Comcast was taking on Tivo as a partner for their DVRs. So hopefully there is a Comcast branded HD-Tivo somewhere in the works and a lower price point, so we can watch LOST the way it's meant to be seen and heard without losing any of the functionality we have come to know and love from Tivo and/or ReplayTV.

I have Comcast's single tuner HD-DVR, and while it performs the simplest of functions very well, it can't do anything those who are used to Tivo or Replay are accustomed to. For example, when they move LOST to a special Tuesday night, Tivo/Replay will catch that...Comcast's DVR won't. When LOST goes to 8:02 and ALIAS goes to 9:02, Tivo and Replay won't miss a beat (provided the time is reflected in the Guide). The Comcast DVR will record both LOST and ALIAS but wig out and report that Alias is 139 minutes long lol. The Comcast box is a godsend for timeshifting HD, but not much else. It has no wishlists, Season Pass, etc. I want my REAL DVR functionality. :-)

Notice I threw LOST in there like 5 times to at PRETEND I was on topic. :-)

Also, in re: Locke and his supposed lack of concern for Boone:

The man carried him on his back through miles of jungle to get him medical assistance. That shows me he cared.

The way I read his running away to the hatch was that he was angry/hurt at the 'island' for punishing him even when he did what he thought he was meant to do. He had geniune feelings/affection for Boone, and he wanted answers as to why that happened to Boone.

edit for spelling

so the island gave Locke his ability to walk again, but he slowly lost this ability, maybe that is what Locke was asking for from the island - the keep the ability to walk ? Or the ability to encounter his mother and father, which can possibly be found through the hatch ? Or something else of the supernatural?

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
On a related note, was I the only one who wondered why the radio in the Beechnut was off? So they crashed, at least one person was thrown from the plane (he was in a tree after all), and another died on the plane, but one of them, or someone else, took the time to turn off the radio before falling/dying/leaving? But hey, it saved the battery :)

Xesdeeni

Isn't it possible (even probable) that drug runners would be flying with their radio off in the first place?

Originally posted by cyberbri
Really? I took it as the opposite. Locke did everything the hatch/island asked him. He saw the vision, followed the sign (the plane), and was sure that there would be something in the plane that would prove to be the key to opening the hatch. That's why they went looking for it, and why Boone threw down the statue from the plane saying "here's your key" or whatever. So when they ended up not finding anything that would help with the hatch, Locke breaks down and says "Why won't you open? I did everything you told me to!"

He seemed pretty unconcerned about Boone, thinking that Jack could just patch him up and he'd be as good as new. At the least, he was more concerned about getting back to the hatch and seeing why it wouldn't open. He seems extremely obsessed with the hatch. And now something didn't go his way, even though he did what the island "told" him to do.

Hmm...I can see that.

I just thought of it as Locke being angry/hurt/confused/scared/manic and going back to the hatch for "answers"...since it serves as his altar to the island in a way.

I guess the multiple perspectives created by the open-ended style of this show is part of what makes it so intriguing, right? And what provides fuel for a 300-page thread!

Hmmm.....

A drug runners aircraft full of heroine....

An ex-druggie named Charlie.... when will the two meet?

Watch, that will be the one bit of information they share...

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Hmmm.....

A drug runners aircraft full of heroine....

An ex-druggie named Charlie.... when will the two meet?

A drug runner's plane full of heroine(female heros) would be cool, but it was full of heroin.....:D :p

Originally posted by AzRich
Has anyone else noticed the "house" or building visible from the beach scenes where the raft is being built? It is a rectangular shape in the trees out on a point of land. I have seen it two weeks in a row when they are working on the raft. I've replayed it using my dvr and I'm sure there is a house there. I figure in SD is appears more like a dark blob in the trees but in HD it is definitely a house.

I havn't seen the buiding, but I see something out in the water off the point. It could be a buoy, sailboat or something else. I have seen this twice now.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Hmmm.....

A drug runners aircraft full of heroine....

An ex-druggie named Charlie.... when will the two meet?

Oh yeah, I can see an episode where Charlie is depressed for some reason...and is tempted to return to get his fix.

Originally posted by keenan
A drug runner's plane full of heroine(female heros) would be cool, but it was full of heroin.....:D :p
Dammit....

Thanks for correcting me, smartass... :D ;)

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Dammit....

Thanks for correcting me, smartass... :D ;)

shouldn't that be "damn it" ? :D ;)

I read somewhere on here that Comcast was taking on Tivo as a partner for their DVRs.

http://www.cmcsk.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=147565&p=irol-newsArticle&t=Regular&id=685606&

Originally posted by maxman
http://www.cmcsk.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=147565&p=irol-newsArticle&t=Regular&id=685606&

Yep, about what I heard. I personally would prefer to see ReplayTV do the same, but TiVo is more marketable, it's become synonymous with DVR.

As long as it records HD, I'll be on board. So I can watch LOST (cough topic cough)

Originally posted by heywood jablomy
shouldn't that be "damn it" ? :D ;)
:D

Thanks for the laugh!



(NetSpeak doesn't count as a mispelling though... ;))

Originally posted by keenan
A drug runner's plane full of heroine(female heros) would be cool, but it was full of heroin.....


Originally posted by heywood jablomy
shouldn't that be "damn it" ? :D ;)

Shouldn't it also be "heroes"?

The fun never ends...;)

For those D* viewers, I noticed that D* program guide has Lost as a repeat while ABC promos show that it is a new episode. That meant my season pass for First Run only didn't catch it. So I've manually set it to be recorded.

It's a repeat - see the abc website:

http://a.abc.com/primetime/lost/index.html

IIRC, during the "scenes" after last weeks episode. they said something like "in the coming weeks on Lost" - so the promos are probably not just for the next (new) episode (which I think is not until May 4), but rather for all the last 4 episodes.

The promo that aired during Desp. Housewives implied that this week's episode was going to be new.

For those D* viewers, I noticed that D* program guide has Lost as a repeat while ABC promos show that it is a new episode. That meant my season pass for First Run only didn't catch it. So I've manually set it to be recorded.
Why not set your SP to "First Run and Repeats" and catch them all? That way you can review the storyline even when it's not a new episode...

—Dan

According to the Lost website, Wednesday's episode is "Special" (Episode #14)

OOoooo... a special episode...

I'm there....


Well, not until tomorrow night... :)

Originally posted by JayDog_2
OOoooo... a special episode...

I'm there....


Well, not until tomorrow night... :)

Don't get carried away, you've already seen it...:D

I thought "Special" meant "Special" at first also. :(

:p

sorry for bumming you guys out...:)

April 27 is going to be a "Speical - Catch Up" episode.

Originally posted by rdwalt
April 27 is going to be a "Speical - Catch Up" episode.

So it's "Special" as in short bus Special...not "Special" as in an actual episode. :-(

I hate most recap episodes...unless they get Evangeline Lilly to host it in her underwear. :-)

Sci-Fi had a Farscape "Primer" which was hosted by the two stars...that was a good way to do it, they aired it in the week prior to the season 3 premier. It helped those that had never watched the series 'catchup' to what was going on.

But in LOST's case, what are the odds of any actual new viewers tuning in at this point? Their average audience is in the teens (millions)...that's not likely to change at this point. Is there anyone who actually needs catching up now?

The sad part is I'll probably record and watch the darn thing anyway. I'm interested to see how and if they reintroduce the "survivors of flight 815" audio.

Sigh. Damn you ABC! :-)

The "Short Bus, Special - Catch Up" episode will help me! I'm still trying to convert my wife!

Originally posted by rdwalt
The "Short Bus, Special - Catch Up" episode will help me! I'm still trying to convert my wife!

Ah, the ever important WAP. Good luck!

Just to clarify, tonight's episode is Episode #14. The title of Episode #14 is "Special".

Sawyer has another job (beyond lost)!

Link to Yahoo! article (also listed below)! (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=598&e=3&u=/nm/20050413/film_nm/film_whisper_dc)

Josh Holloway of ABC's 'Lost' Signs for 'Whisper'

Wed Apr 13, 4:51 AM ET

By Liza Foreman

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Josh Holloway, best known as part of the ensemble of castaways on the ABC hit drama "Lost," has been tapped to star as a kidnapper in the big-screen supernatural thriller "Whisper."

Sarah Wayne Callies will co-star as his girlfriend in the movie, which centers on the abduction of a young boy in New England. Callies is making her feature debut later this year in the upcoming adventure film "The Celestine Prophecy," based on the novel.

Stewart Hendler is making his directorial debut on "Whisper" for Gold Circle Films, with a screenplay from producer-turned-writer Chris Borrelli.

In addition to playing Sawyer, the hot-tempered southerner on "Lost," Holloway's credits include the feature films "Cold Heart" and "Moving August."

Just for sheer trivia's sake - Josh also (briefly) played a vampire in the series premier of Angel. We just started to re-watch the series DVDs a while back and noticed this. It was amusing to see him in all the vampire make up :)

No way! I have to totally go back and watch that, that's funny. :)

Here's what TV tome says about that SPECIAL episode on the 27th... (I don't think it's spoily.. specially cause it's a recap of the season thus far.)

Special
S-1 120 27-Apr-2005 Lost: The Journey
Flashbacks of the core characters illustrating who they were and what they were doing before the crash, and a look at the island itself; and a preview of the big season finale.

Originally posted by bronowyn
and a preview of the big season finale.

Dang! Now I'm not sure I WANT to watch it! :-(

Although since it is broadcast, it'll be in play here. And if I stop coming by for more than a week, I'll never catch up. Argh!

Markd

How much you want to bet this "special" will contain 56 minutes of rehash and 4 minutes of "the island itself" and "previews of the finale"?

I'll take that bet! I predict about 40 minutes of rehash and 4 minutes of "the island itself" and "previews of the finale".

:p

My money's on Archiguy. :D

And it will probably start at 7:59 and end at 9:01, so they can commercial us to death...

You guys have it all wrong. 30 minutes of rehash, 2 minutes of "the island itself" and "previews of the finale" and 28 minutes of commercials!

:D

Anyone here tempted to watch Stacked on Fox at 8:30? I seriously doubt there will be any redeeming quality to that show considering who it's starring.

Anyone here tempted to watch Stacked on Fox at 8:30?

Nope.

Pamela Anderson was a real cutie back in her Playboy days, but she really went downhill fast after that...

Originally posted by fhall1
How much you want to bet this "special" will contain 56 minutes of rehash and 4 minutes of "the island itself" and "previews of the finale"? Substitue the word "back-story" for the word "rehash" and I beleive we'll have a new episode of "Lost.":D

From Yahoo! News (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=797&e=6&u=/eo/20050412/en_tv_eo/16325)

Death Becomes "Lost"

Tue Apr 12, 7:54 PM ET Television - E! Online


By Joal Ryan

Boone's death was a boon for Lost.
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/eo/20050413/capt.a6e7d28575759c8eead2769b6ddcad88
More than 17 million watched the practitioner of step-brotherly love pass away last week in the ABC castaway drama, according to Nielsen Media Research. The performance meant another top 10 finish for the freshman hit.


While other islanders have had their torches extinguished on the show, Boone, played by Ian Somerhalder, is the first major Lost character to be offed.


Since being written off, Somerhalder has signed his own personal TV deal with ABC. But he told the Los Angeles Times that he still hopes to return to from whence he came.


"I am not sure that I am [gone for good]...It's Lost, so you truly never know," the actor told the paper

Somerhalder didn't live for many episodes on Smallville last year. Maybe dying is his thing now.

Originally posted by scowl
Somerhalder didn't live for many episodes on Smallville last year. Maybe dying is his thing now.

HA HA. He's been typecast! :D :D

I was certain that this weeks episode was slated to be new. I even checked my DVR for last week's spoiler trailer and it says "tune in NEXT week for the exciting two hour finale" I really have been enjoying the show, but ABC really needs to stop with all the confusing advertising, and put a new episode on my screen every Wednesday night at 8 o'clock.

Here's the list again - hopefully it won't change at this point.

Originally posted by CPanther95
4/27 - LOST: The Journey (1 Hour Special) "Catch-up episode"
5/4 - #21 The Greater Good (Sayid)
5/11 - #22 Born to Run (Kate)
5/18 - #23 Exodus Part I
5/25 - # 24 Exodus Part II (2 Hours)

Wow, 300 pages and almost 6000 posts, and the season isn't even over yet...

& 509 unique posters.

This thread has even passed the (in)famous Time Machine thread over in the DVD Software Forum in post count (in a fraction of the time). Maybe on it's way to an all-time AVS record!

We should all be so proud. <sniff>

Originally posted by keenan
Wow, 300 pages and almost 6000 posts, and the season isn't even over yet...

I get 100 pages.

I get 100 pages. (60 posts per page)

Originally posted by CPanther95
I get 100 pages. (60 posts per page)

I meant 100 pages but typed 300 by mistake. I corrected myself.

Originally posted by CPanther95
I get 100 pages. (60 posts per page)

I also have 300 pages with only 20 posts per page...is there some setting somewhere to change page length?

Originally posted by mollerup
I also have 300 pages with only 20 posts per page...is there some setting somewhere to change page length?

Click on User CP above, and one of the options is to change posts per thread. I think 60 is the highest it'll go.

Moderating at 20 ppp is a PITA - but I preferred 60 ppp before I was moderating anyway.

Oh, and every few months I switch to "AVS White", but can't stand it for more than half a day. :)

Ohhh here we go again :-)

I'd be "Lost" without AVS white....

Make it 510 unique posters. I don't remember if I've ever posted before or not, but I read every day. Theres a very interesting interview with Ian Somerhalder in next weeks TV Guide. Warning! to those who decide to read it, it's spoilerish.

6 times previously, dr.

I dont like "white" either but anything is better than the default.