Looks like next week will really be interesting when they are all at the hatch. Given Walts reaction, he must sense something BAD

I liked the Half-Life scene (I guess it was the PS2 version). Remember, the crowbar only works on the zombies, not the big bugs. :D

Great show tonight. At least we now know what Sayid was doing in Australia.

The 20/20 episode this Friday looks pretty good for Lost fans.

Originally posted by sbddvm
Had tons of video/audio breakup. Comcast Ft. Lauderdale

Same here. Comcast/Pembroke Pines

Charlotte OTA did as well.

Noooooo!!!! My Tivo didn't record it - I have no idea why it didn't record :mad: :mad: :mad:

if you were recording from WJLA-DT OTA you might not have had a signal out in Ashburn. I live in FC and I was getting drop-outs all through the show. Something going on with the transmitter because 4, 5 and 9 are just fine.

Couple of sound glitches: KVUE-DT 24 via TWC Austin 1511.

Good episode.

Paul

Another good episode. I'm happy about the events surrounding Locke. If he would have been killed off, I would have gone crazy.

Locke would have maintained the secrecy.

They should have let Shannon do what she wanted.

so we have some progress... locke admits hes the one who hit sayid over the head and destroyed his equipment, and sayid confronts locke about the hatch and looks like theyll all know of the hatch next week

They flipped the negative for the scenes when Sayid and his terrorist buddy were in the "Australian" van just like they did earlier in the season. His terror buddy parted his hair over his right ear instead of his left during these scenes. Finding or faking a right-hand steering wheel vehicle must be difficult, even for a vehicle that wasn't going to move.

Originally posted by Flyer1
Noooooo!!!! My Tivo didn't record it - I have no idea why it didn't record :mad: :mad: :mad:

Terrible thing to make light of, but whether it recorded or not, you still have a "Lost" episode.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bill Shakespeare
Terrible thing to make light of, but whether it recorded or not, you still have a "Lost" episode. [/QUOTE

I don't care who you are, that's funny. :D

Originally posted by Bill Shakespeare
Terrible thing to make light of, but whether it recorded or not, you still have a "Lost" episode. Dammit, I was thinking the same evil thing. :) Sorry dude. If it's any consolation to you, my DVR also failed to record it .... hmmmm, could there be a connection?

YMMV

OK, my baby started crying just when Locke was talking! WHY did he destroy Said's equipment?

Funny thing is, I read from car magazines to my baby girl when I don't have anything else handy, so that scene cracked me up!

Ok, my questions are (1) how did Shannon know what the key around Jack's neck was, and (2) how did she know where in the jungle the suitcase with the guns was hidden? I don't remember her ever being a part of that suitcase storyline. Maybe it was just a lucky guess on her part. Hmmm.

when Charlie brought the baby to Hurley to try to get him to stop crying, am I the only one who thought that Hurley was going to pull of his shirt and try to breastfeed the kid ?

anyhow, I also thought that the bullet hit Locke's chest, because for a split second it looked like a bullseye on his shirt, but then you see Locke was just rubbing his head. Good to hear it wasn't just me

Ok, my questions are (1) how did Shannon know what the key around Jack's neck was, and (2) how did she know where in the jungle the suitcase with the guns was hidden? I don't remember her ever being a part of that suitcase storyline. Maybe it was just a lucky guess on her part. Hmmm.

I wondered about that too. Could it be that the island showed her? That could also explain her strange and sudden desire for revenge.

Originally posted by sfb
I wondered about that too. Could it be that the island showed her? That could also explain her strange and sudden desire for revenge.

More likely that Kate took the key and gave it to shannon and told her where the case was. Convenient that she drugged Jack so he'd sleep, wasn't it?

But maybe I'm just paranoid lol

Clones!

Originally posted by nhlfan79
Ok, my questions are (1) how did Shannon know what the key around Jack's neck was, and (2) how did she know where in the jungle the suitcase with the guns was hidden? I don't remember her ever being a part of that suitcase storyline. Maybe it was just a lucky guess on her part. Hmmm.

I want to know how she tracked down Locke!

Originally posted by wco81
Locke would have maintained the secrecy.

They should have let Shannon do what she wanted.

If Shannon had killed Locke I would have been SO PISSED!

Originally posted by Peakster
OK, my baby started crying just when Locke was talking! WHY did he destroy Said's equipment?

Funny thing is, I read from car magazines to my baby girl when I don't have anything else handy, so that scene cracked me up!

Locke said, why would you want to lead everyone to a signal that was saying, 'I've killed everyone, they're all dead'. He was saving everyone. He didn't tell him at the time because he said he didn't think Sayid would be open to discussing it.

Originally posted by Peakster
OK, my baby started crying just when Locke was talking! WHY did he destroy Said's equipment?


He said something to the effect of "I did it to protect everyone. No one was thinking rationally. You were trying to track down a broadcast that was saying "They're all dead, it killed them all". Is that something we really want to track down?"

That's not verbatim, but you get the gist.

Originally posted by NorthJersey
when Charlie brought the baby to Hurley to try to get him to stop crying, am I the only one who thought that Hurley was going to pull of his shirt and try to breastfeed the kid ?



My best guess is, yes, you are the only one. :)

Originally posted by dmbatch
if you were recording from WJLA-DT OTA you might not have had a signal out in Ashburn. I live in FC and I was getting drop-outs all through the show. Something going on with the transmitter because 4, 5 and 9 are just fine.

No this was from DirecTV. It just seemed to miss it, but I can't figure out why.

Originally posted by Bill Shakespeare
Terrible thing to make light of, but whether it recorded or not, you still have a "Lost" episode.

I'm sure I would find more humor in that if it didn't happen to me

Well I won't be reading the thread until I can "find" this episode or until I watch next weeks. C ya all till then...

Originally posted by NorthJersey
when Charlie brought the baby to Hurley to try to get him to stop crying, am I the only one who thought that Hurley was going to pull of his shirt and try to breastfeed the kid ?

anyhow, I also thought that the bullet hit Locke's chest, because for a split second it looked like a bullseye on his shirt, but then you see Locke was just rubbing his head. Good to hear it wasn't just me Dude how has he not lost any weight yet.. If anything it looks like he gained a couple of tons...:D

Locke said, why would you want to lead everyone to a signal that was saying, 'I've killed everyone, they're all dead'. He was saving everyone. He didn't tell him at the time because he said he didn't think Sayid would be open to discussing it.

He said something to the effect of "I did it to protect everyone. No one was thinking rationally. You were trying to track down a broadcast that was saying "They're all dead, it killed them all". Is that something we really want to track down?"

If Locke is telling the truth, then apparently his instinct in not always correct since he wants to desperately open the hatch, while Walt thinks that is a very bad idea.

Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
My best guess is, yes, you are the only one. :)

LMAO :p

I was thinking the same thing with Hurley for a second. Thank God that didn't happen! Many people would have been hurling for Hurley.

Hurley needs to drop about 20 pounds for next season.

Originally posted by Iteki
More likely that Kate took the key and gave it to shannon and told her where the case was. Convenient that she drugged Jack so he'd sleep, wasn't it?

I don't think kate actually drugged Jack. I think she just said that she crushed up sleeping pills to get the placebo effect. She kind of smirked after he fell asleep as if thinking "my ploy worked!".

With all the able-bodied other "red-shirt" men around they had to make poor Hurley sweat his @ss off carrying the bier bearing Boone's body to the gravesite?

Random thoughts:

1. Weren't they burying Boone at the end of the previous episode?

2. Why does Locke's lie automatically mean he killed Boone? Boone's leg was crushed. And Locke carried him back to camp. If Locke had wanted to kill him, he'd have toss him off a cliff, or convinced him to eat something poisonous, or even cut him into little bits and hid him in the jungle. But a crushed leg is an accident, even if you are in mourning.

3. Why did everyone seem to breathe easy after Sayid took the gun from Shannon. They didn't seem to make a big deal about protecting the guns from her after that. And guns aren't the only weapon she could use. Locke didn't seem to realize he should watch his back.

4. I also feared something deviant was about to happen when Hurley said they needed to "get out the big guns" to quiet the baby.

5. I love the fact that Sayid didn't fall for the lie about the hatch. Sometimes they make TV characters out to be pretty dim, but I liked his insight. I thought they could have related it back to his "interrogation," where he said he knew when he was being lied to.

6. In the promo, when Walt says not to open the hatch, doesn't that predestine whatever is inside to be horrible/dangerous? Even if it was empty before, his "gift" would make his fears materialize, right?

Xesdeeni

I thought it was a pretty good ep. Sawyer reading to the baby with his "custom" glasses was great. And yes, I am going to have to admit that my semi-warped mind did a quick flash on Hurley comforting the baby in an, uhh, "nutritional way". Hurley is a great character, I should be ashamed :o. But hey, it was just there you know? ;)

As far as the shooting of Locke goes, I know they deliberately use misdirection in the promos to keep us guessing, but I kinda feel like they went overboard with this one. It seems they simply added some "impact" spots or whatever to Locke's shirt to further give the impression that he had been hit in the chest when he wasn't. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against them throwing in red herrings at all, but this one seems a little too much like cheating to me. They really didn't need to do it...

Kate helping Shannon, hmm, didn't really think about that. The drugging and all would fit in nicely, but for some reason even though we know she can be ruthless when she needs to be, it just doesn't feel right in this case to me. I mean, she was more or less trying to keep Jack from basically doing the same thing wasn't she?

I think they all pretty much became aware of the guns when "the group" decided to take out Ethan. But it did seem funny that Shannon apparently had no problem finding Locke in The Jungle. I think we're just going to have to throw that one in the "keeps the story flowing" bin :). I too thought they all seemed more than a bit too casual with Shannon after the attack on Locke. That girl is freakin' dangerous man...

Next week looks great! I think these remaining season ending ep's are gonna be hot!

ron

Originally posted by UTV2TiVo
I don't think kate actually drugged Jack. I think she just said that she crushed up sleeping pills to get the placebo effect. She kind of smirked after he fell asleep as if thinking "my ploy worked!".

That would make sense except that Jack started feeling the effects of the sleeping pills before she told him about them. He said something like "What's happening to me?" and that's when she told him about the pills. I don't think her intent was devious, though. I think she truly just knew he needed sleep.

I agree, dancer, and I don't believe Kate had anything to do with Shannon getting the key and the gun either. Kate wasn't sitting by Jack's side the whole time (she had to be gone at least a little while to get/make soup to be ready when he woke up.

Here's what was bothering me-Sayid has been obsessing for years over a woman he only knew briefly, but thought was dead. After finding out she was actually alive he went so far as to severely compromise his core beliefs to save her from prison and to (perhaps) be with her. A little plane crash and a couple of months later he's totally devoted to this blond psycho he just met?

Originally posted by rockytt
Here's what was bothering me-Sayid has been obsessing for years over a woman he only knew briefly, but thought was dead.

He knew the woman before they met in the Iraqi prison.

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
Random thoughts:

6. In the promo, when Walt says not to open the hatch, doesn't that predestine whatever is inside to be horrible/dangerous? Even if it was empty before, his "gift" would make his fears materialize, right?

Xesdeeni

That's what I think as well, it will have the lab or whatever it was in that comic book Walt was reading...

So Sayed's flashback was suppose to explain why he would save Locke, even if it meant it would make Shannon hate him for it?

Or is this another instance where they could have left well enough alone and don't do any flashbacks? But then, they would have had to come up with more current story.

Notice they didn't say anything about the light in the hatch, which is how they ended the last episode.

Even if it was empty before, his "gift" would make his fears materialize, right?


I don't know if it's necessarily always "fears". A bird ran into his glass slider door when he got mad looking at a book about birds. He may have gotten mad about the comic book (with the polar bear) when his dad threw it in the fire, and that could have caused it to appear (possibly). So it could be more of a Harry Potter / Akira mental thing, making "things" happen when he gets mad, etc.

Originally posted by wco81
So Sayed's flashback was suppose to explain why he would save Locke, even if it meant it would make Shannon hate him for it?

Or is this another instance where they could have left well enough alone and don't do any flashbacks? But then, they would have had to come up with more current story.

Notice they didn't say anything about the light in the hatch, which is how they ended the last episode.

I thought it was to show more of his backstory, clear up any theories/suspicions anyone may have had about him being a terrorist, and also put him in Sydney and getting on the flight. We already know how Sun/Jin, Shannon/Boone, Claire, Locke, Jack, father/son, Hurely-Hugo, Kate, Sawyer, and Charlie (did I miss anyone?) got to be in Sydney or at least that they were there and heading back to LA on the same flight. So this shows us what was happening with Sayid right before the flight.

All this talk about Hurley breastfeeding (yes, it did occur to me too!) has me thinking how much of a mind-screw it would be if Hurley was actually a SHE!

Think about it, I know we know the actor playing him/her is male, but severely obese men/women could still be mistaken for each other. So, it could happen. Afterall, I think he's one of the few males on the island that's not growing facial hair. :D

I found myself not really caring much about who hit Sayid last November or whenever it happened. That's the problem with waiting so long to reveal something. You start to lose interest expecially when there's so much time in between new eps.

Even now I don't remember what Locke's reason was for doing that.

Anyone else feel this way?

Originally posted by Dynot
I found myself not really caring much about who hit Sayid last November or whenever it happened. That's the problem with waiting so long to reveal something. You start to lose interest expecially when there's so much time in between new eps.

Even now I don't remember what Locke's reason was for doing that.

Anyone else feel this way?

I *sorta* do...but mostly I'm not convinced his excuse/reason given was truthful. I fully expect something else to be revealed as the "real" reason.

Afterall, right around that same time, he was trying to pass "the hatch" off as one of the ones on the plane.

Maybe he ended up fooling Sayid's admittedly-impressive intuition afterall.

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
Random thoughts:

1. Weren't they burying Boone at the end of the previous episode?

NO, SHE WAS PREPARING HIS BODY.

2. Why does Locke's lie automatically mean he killed Boone? Boone's leg was crushed. And Locke carried him back to camp. If Locke had wanted to kill him, he'd have toss him off a cliff, or convinced him to eat something poisonous, or even cut him into little bits and hid him in the jungle. But a crushed leg is an accident, even if you are in mourning.

LITTLE LIE, BIG LIE...

3. Why did everyone seem to breathe easy after Sayid took the gun from Shannon. They didn't seem to make a big deal about protecting the guns from her after that. And guns aren't the only weapon she could use. Locke didn't seem to realize he should watch his back.

GOOD POINT, SHE'S NOT DONE WITH THIS YET.

4. I also feared something deviant was about to happen when Hurley said they needed to "get out the big guns" to quiet the baby.

LOL YOU ARE ALL SICK :-)

5. I love the fact that Sayid didn't fall for the lie about the hatch. Sometimes they make TV characters out to be pretty dim, but I liked his insight. I thought they could have related it back to his "interrogation," where he said he knew when he was being lied to.

SAYID IS THE MAN

6. In the promo, when Walt says not to open the hatch, doesn't that predestine whatever is inside to be horrible/dangerous? Even if it was empty before, his "gift" would make his fears materialize, right?

LET'S HOPE SO :-)

Xesdeeni

Several random thoughts:

Good questions from a previous poster re: Shannon knowing about the suitcase key, being able to find said case, and her ease in finding Locke...? But then she sure knew how to handle a gun when nobody expected her to (shades of Kate!). Perhaps there's more to Shannon than has thus far been revealed?

Was anyone else surprised at Sayid's friend shooting himself? Why? The plot was shot, therefore his martyrdom wouldn't be necessary or possible and Sayid was giving him a chance to get away. He could even have shot Sayid and continued on with the plot if he was really committed. If he wasn't really committed, he could just take off. That just didn't ring true for me.

That whole subject of suicide bombing is a delicate one for any TV network to broach these days. I thought it interesting that there was no little prayer, not even an "Allah Akbar!!" before the head terrorist dude took off. Guess ABC had to be careful not to step on any Islamic toes, or they'd have to have Matthew Fox do a public service announcement like the Kiefster did on "24" to smooth any feathers thus ruffled.

At least it was in Australia and not the US, to put Sayid in Sydney before the flight if for nothing else. I think you're right, though, in that they were downplaying as much Muslim prayer, etc. as possible. When he wasn't sure if he wanted to go through with it, the guy was even talking about how the teachings preach that all life is precious, and all life should be protected/preserved. He was having reservations about the terrorism going against the true teachings of Islam.

Originally posted by IrmoGamecoq
I *sorta* do...but mostly I'm not convinced his excuse/reason given was truthful. I fully expect something else to be revealed as the "real" reason.


What was the reason he gave?

Why did Locke knock out Sayid?

Tracking down the source of the transmission wouldn't have been in everyone's best interests -> read, could be very dangerous, etc.

My personal feelings were that Locke, who is now a jungle exlplorer superman rather than wheelchair-ridden box company desk worker, along with Walt (the boy's name?), don't want to leave. IIRC, it was Walt that set fire to the original raft, and Locke talked to him about it that night. Walt said he didn't want to leave and go back to the complicated real world (just wants to be with dad, IIRC) so he set it on fire.

So I think these two just want to stay on the island, and that is why Locke didn't want them finding the radio antenna so they could change the message, etc. Locke and Walt could become the opposite sides, the black/white rocks, especially with the preview having Walt yelling at Locke not to open the hatch because it's not a good idea, etc.

I had trouble believing that a bunch of Islamic terrorists would be thrilled to have a former Iraqi Republican Guard soldier in their clan. During Saddam's regime, these soldiers regularly oppressed and terrorized Muslim groups along with anyone else that posed a threat to Saddam's control. But then it wasn't clear what these guys were going to blow up or for what reason.

Originally posted by Dynot
What was the reason he gave?

Why did Locke knock out Sayid?

It's already been posted in this thread, but basically his rationale was that since the message was "everyone is dead" and he didn't want to cause a panic among the survivors. He was "protecting" them from hearing it.

That's all paraphrased, of course.

Originally posted by scowl
I had trouble believing that a bunch of Islamic terrorists would be thrilled to have a former Iraqi Republican Guard soldier in their clan. During Saddam's regime, these soldiers regularly oppressed and terrorized Muslim groups along with anyone else that posed a threat to Saddam's control. But then it wasn't clear what these guys were going to blow up or for what reason.

Not only that, the CIA woman threatened to have Nadia arrested for her insurgency activities but those were strictly against the Saddam regime in Iraq, not against the US provisional authority or the Iraqi temp. govt.

Plus, there has been no known terrorism perpetrated by Iraqi nationals outside of Iraq as part of the insurgency against the war and occupation.

I am conflicted. Should I be happy or frightened that I was not the only one who thought Hurley was going to raise his shirt .... :eek:

OK, onto Shannon, forgetting all about tracking skills needed to find Locke, they took ONE gun from her. Only she knows where she left the others in that open case in a down pour. How is that going to resolve?

YMMV

Originally posted by Flyer1
No this was from DirecTV. It just seemed to miss it, but I can't figure out why.


I live in Ashburn too, no problems either on WJLA-HD or D* in SD.

Did you remember that it was 61 minutes long, so clashes with whatever starts at 9:00?

Originally posted by Dynot
I found myself not really caring much about who hit Sayid last November or whenever it happened. That's the problem with waiting so long to reveal something. You start to lose interest expecially when there's so much time in between new eps.

Even now I don't remember what Locke's reason was for doing that.

Anyone else feel this way?

I was wondering why they featured Sayid getting whacked with the radio in his hand when they started with "... previously on LOST...". This was the tie-in for Locke revealing he was the perpetrator. I think they realized there would be a disconnect since it took place so long ago - eps-wise.

Originally posted by wco81
Not only that, the CIA woman threatened to have Nadia arrested for her insurgency activities but those were strictly against the Saddam regime in Iraq, not against the US provisional authority or the Iraqi temp. govt.

Plus, there has been no known terrorism perpetrated by Iraqi nationals outside of Iraq as part of the insurgency against the war and occupation.

Not yet, anyway.... :(

Nadia could theoretically have become part of the insurgency once the U.S. occupation began, I suppose.

Originally posted by MrMike6by9
OK, onto Shannon, forgetting all about tracking skills needed to find Locke, they took ONE gun from her. Only she knows where she left the others in that open case in a down pour. How is that going to resolve?



Interesting. Hopefully, they'll be smart enough to take an inventory of all the guns...but we know these guys. ;)

Speaking of Shannon, I'm sure I'm not alone in being pretty irritated at her for holding the grudge against Locke. I thought his explanation and apology was heartfelt and very noble. I'm still convinced he's a "good" guy and I hope that's not changed...

Originally posted by wco81
Not only that, the CIA woman threatened to have Nadia arrested for her insurgency activities but those were strictly against the Saddam regime in Iraq, not against the US provisional authority or the Iraqi temp. govt.

Plus, there has been no known terrorism perpetrated by Iraqi nationals outside of Iraq as part of the insurgency against the war and occupation.

I don't think the CIA woman cared about the legitimacy of the claim. Only that once declared an enemy combatant, they could make her life hell.

We also learned that if he'd just got on the damn plane he had a ticket for, he'd be snuggling with Nadia right now instead of some girl that was in love with her own brother. ;)

Has anyone noticed that the number of crash survivors on the island is fast approaching the final number in the "cursed numbers" ??!?
4=??? (wild guess here, but the number of people on the island with "special" abilities...Locke, the baby, Walt...I think Boone WAS one, & one more will be outed)
8
+
15= flight number
16=the number of years the radio transmission has been going
23=?
42= eventual number of crash survivors?

Perhaps when these numbers all converge, the s**t hits the fan.
There has been a lot of fate, ying/yang, checks and balances, etc undercurrents happening. Maybe opening the hatch disrupts that balance somehow.
I've also noticed two distinct camps are developing...those who are players, and those who have been played...???

Originally posted by CPanther95
We also learned that if he'd just got on the damn plane he had a ticket for, he'd be snuggling with Nadia right now instead of some girl that was in love with her own brother. ;)

Step-brother. Let's not make it any more kinky than it already is. :D

Originally posted by IrmoGamecoq
Interesting. Hopefully, they'll be smart enough to take an inventory of all the guns...but we know these guys. ;)

Speaking of Shannon, I'm sure I'm not alone in being pretty irritated at her for holding the grudge against Locke. I thought his explanation and apology was heartfelt and very noble. I'm still convinced he's a "good" guy and I hope that's not changed...

Pretty natural to want to blame SOMEONE for things that go wrong, especially a death of a loved one. And he DID lie...little lie usually means there is a big lie not too far behind. She was right, just not about what the lie was. But Sayid caught on, the sly dog.

Perhaps "The Island" is finished with Locke and has taken Shannon under it's wing. "She" is not holding a grudge, the "Island" is.

So far everyone has talked about how easy Shannon "found" Locke. Has anyone ever "run into" someone before? The other day I was coming out of a store and saw someone I was going to call later that night. Just because Shannon found Locke doesn't mean that she "found" him.

Could the hatch hold some kind of bio weapon like a virus that caused the other group to go mad? Opening it would definitly not be a good idea if so.

Originally posted by Iteki
Pretty natural to want to blame SOMEONE for things that go wrong, especially a death of a loved one. And he DID lie...little lie usually means there is a big lie not too far behind. She was right, just not about what the lie was. But Sayid caught on, the sly dog.

Maybe I'm just too much of a Locke fan, but I thought what he did (speaking up at the funeral, taking blame, apologizing to Shannon) was the "right thing to do" (not to mention it took a lot of guts)...but he caught nothing but h*ell from everyone as a result.

I know Shannon was not thinking rationally, but she went way over the top to me. Almost like she was "possessed" as others have mentioned.

Jack's crazy grudge could be written off to sleep-deprivation dementia too, I guess.

Was Hurley part of the group around the hatch in the previews? He should really freak out when he sees the numbers.

Originally posted by cyberbri
I don't know if it's necessarily always "fears". A bird ran into his glass slider door when he got mad looking at a book about birds. He may have gotten mad about the comic book (with the polar bear) when his dad threw it in the fire, and that could have caused it to appear (possibly). So it could be more of a Harry Potter / Akira mental thing, making "things" happen when he gets mad, etc.

Remember Charlie from the original Star Trek episode?

Originally posted by bobby94928
Perhaps "The Island" is finished with Locke and has taken Shannon under it's wing. "She" is not holding a grudge, the "Island" is.

I think the Island still has a role for Locke, otherwise he'd be crawling again.

It's obvious the "Island" wanted Boone in that plane and not Locke, otherwise he wouldn't have lost his ability to walk right at the time it led them to the plane.

The only thing he hasn't been able to do the entire time he's been on the island is climb up to the plane. Coincidence? I think not.

Originally posted by IrmoGamecoq
I know Shannon was not thinking rationally, but she went way over the top to me. Almost like she was "possessed" as others have mentioned.

Shannon has never seemed particularly stable; the situation here seems pretty believable for her character to me.

Jack's crazy grudge could be written off to sleep-deprivation dementia too, I guess.

I think for Jack this is related to his "God complex", where it is completely unacceptable to him to have someone in his care die; and he feels that if he had just had the correct information regarding the accident, that he could have saved Boone.

Originally posted by Enigma
I think for Jack this is related to his "God complex", where it is completely unacceptable to him to have someone in his care die; and he feels that if he had just had the correct information regarding the accident, that he could have saved Boone.

Yep, I agree. It is his "fatal flaw". Every character has one.

Originally posted by Enigma

I think for Jack this is related to his "God complex", where it is completely unacceptable to him to have someone in his care die; and he feels that if he had just had the correct information regarding the accident, that he could have saved Boone.

Absolutely. And I think it has to do with the possibility that his wife may have died, because he couldn't "fix" her.

Shannon has never seemed particularly stable; the situation here seems pretty believable for her character to me.

Can you say "spoiled psycho-bitch"?

It seems Shannon had a little more feelings for Boone than the show lead on. She never gave him the time of day, but yet when he dies from an accident, she goes "Rambo" on Locke.

Do they have another Shannon back story planned for her this season? Wonder if they will explain the gun handling??

There is only one more back story this season and it is for Kate. The next episode, Born To Run is Kate-centric. The following episode is Exodus part 1, then Exodus part 2 and 3 follow a week later and that is the end of the season.

While I learned something new today while listening to Rush Limbaugh.

Have you ever heard of the John Locke Foundation? http://www.johnlocke.org/about/

Rush happened to mention it while reading a newspaper article. I never heard of it before but I have heard of John Locke.

I wonder if the writers of LOST know about the foundation and if so did they fashion the character of John Locke around the principles of the Foundation.


Oh, and for the record, when are they going to get rid of Jack? The guy is such a hopeless basket case I cannot believe that the writers are still trying to make him out at the leader. What an absolute looser. Get him off the show.

Originally posted by Carl Holt
Oh, and for the record, when are they going to get rid of Jack? The guy is such a hopeless basket case I cannot believe that the writers are still trying to make him out at the leader. What an absolute looser. Get him off the show.

If the "Hatch" turn out to be some kind of lab or bio lab, Jack will be vital to reveal it's purpose. Maybe?? just a thought??

I apologize if I missed this in a previous post, but Sayid stayed an extra day to claim the body of his friend. Did he bury his friend in Sydney, or was there a second corpse on the flight (along with Jack's dad)?

Originally posted by Carl Holt
While I learned something new today while listening to Rush Limbaugh.

Why is he still on the air? Shouldn't he be cooling his heels in jail by now? I know the wheels of justice grind slowly, but this is ridiculous.

Oh, and for the record, when are they going to get rid of Jack? The guy is such a hopeless basket case I cannot believe that the writers are still trying to make him out at the leader. What an absolute looser. Get him off the show.

Jack is the emotional heart of the show, flaws and all. Besides, the group wouldn't last long without a doctor.

Hmmmm all these people w/ gun experience..... Sawyer, Locke, Charlie, Sayid, Korea guy, Kate, Shannon, possibly Jack and Michael? Have they all killed someone? We know a few have and Charlie seemed ok w/ taking out Ethan. Is there a link there? Maybe we will learn more as the back stories develope.
They really could drag the show out w/ just the back stories.

Originally posted by Enigma
Shannon has never seemed particularly stable; the situation here seems pretty believable for her character to me.



I think for Jack this is related to his "God complex", where it is completely unacceptable to him to have someone in his care die; and he feels that if he had just had the correct information regarding the accident, that he could have saved Boone.

all doctors have this, they don't want to lose someone that they are supposed to save. Or at least the GOOD doctors have this "complex"

Originally posted by djnrook
I apologize if I missed this in a previous post, but Sayid stayed an extra day to claim the body of his friend. Did he bury his friend in Sydney, or was there a second corpse on the flight (along with Jack's dad)?

I doubt Sayid would bring the guy's body to the US, Sayid wasn't aware that the guy was living in the US, only of his residence in Australia, which is what the CIA told him about

I'm wracking my brain but can't remember....what was the nickname Sawyer called Charlie when he first walked up to Charlie as he was holding the baby by the raft? Made me laugh out loud....

Originally posted by archiguy


Why is he still on the air? Shouldn't he be cooling his heels in jail by now? I know the wheels of justice grind slowly, but this is ridiculous.



Jack is the emotional heart of the show, flaws and all. Besides, the group wouldn't last long without a doctor. [/B]

archiguy,

I understand that you are somewhat radical but why do you want an innocent man to be placed in prison?

On your 2nd point the group stranded on Gilligan's Isle lasted quite a long time with no doctor. :)

Originally posted by fhall1
I'm wracking my brain but can't remember....what was the nickname Sawyer called Charlie when he first walked up to Charlie as he was holding the baby by the raft? Made me laugh out loud....

Chuckie

So after digesting all that has happened so far, does anyone want to speculate what the cliffhanger will be? My thoughts are:

a.) season ends with the hatch opening up (without revealing what's inside)

b.) they find another group of survivors from flight 815

c.) someone or something kidnaps Claire's baby

d.) they see a rescue plane or ship in the distance

e.) none of the above

Originally posted by dlipetz
Chuckie

Ahhhh...my brain can calm down again.....thanks

Originally posted by Blaurv
So after digesting all that has happened so far, does anyone want to speculate what the cliffhanger will be? My thoughts are:

a.) season ends with the hatch opening up (without revealing what's inside)

b.) they find another group of survivors from flight 815

c.) someone or something kidnaps Claire's baby

d.) they see a rescue plane or ship in the distance

e.) none of the above

What about "All of the above?"

But seriously anything is possible a-e. My bet is on option "a". Although that would make me mad, I would definitely remember to tune in next Fall for some type of resolution.

Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
archiguy,

I understand that you are somewhat radical but why do you want an innocent man to be placed in prison?

Check your PM's.

On your 2nd point the group stranded on Gilligan's Isle lasted quite a long time with no doctor. :)

:D Good point! However, things were a little less, ah, dangerous on Gilligan's Island ("little buddy" abuse notwithstanding).

Originally posted by Blaurv
So after digesting all that has happened so far, does anyone want to speculate what the cliffhanger will be? My thoughts are:

a.) season ends with the hatch opening up (without revealing what's inside)


This would pretty much turn me off for good. I would probably tune in to the first show next season but then wouldn't have the patience to go through another season like the first. And this coming from an avid fan.

Ideally, I think the last ep should reveal something significant but leave enough questions for viewers to tune in next year. For example, the reason the hatch is there or the common tie linking all the main characters (if any).

Regardless of how it ends, expect to see a media blitz weeks before next year's opener only to be let down when we're strung along through the winter without any answers.

Does anyone feel that we will have any more understanding of the numbers before the end of the season? Will Hurley see the numbers on the hatch?

Originally posted by Rod Rebello
Was Hurley part of the group around the hatch in the previews? He should really freak out when he sees the numbers.

From seeing the previews on TV, it looks like the only three people there at the hatch are Locke, Jack, and Sayid.

Originally posted by Blaurv
So after digesting all that has happened so far, does anyone want to speculate what the cliffhanger will be? My thoughts are:

a.) season ends with the hatch opening up (without revealing what's inside)

b.) they find another group of survivors from flight 815

c.) someone or something kidnaps Claire's baby

d.) they see a rescue plane or ship in the distance

e.) none of the above

I'd place my heaviest money on "b".

Plus, I think we'll see a group of the current survivors sailing off into the sunset in the final episode on Michael's raft.

Originally posted by djnrook
I apologize if I missed this in a previous post, but Sayid stayed an extra day to claim the body of his friend. Did he bury his friend in Sydney, or was there a second corpse on the flight (along with Jack's dad)?

According to Islam, any Muslim who dies must be bathed and buried before sunset that day. If they die after sunset, then the deadline is the next sunset.

Originally posted by cyberbri
From seeing the previews on TV, it looks like the only three people there at the hatch are Locke, Jack, and Sayid.

Seems like I remember Kate there too...but you're right, no Hurley.

I may be wrong, but isn't there another half of the island to explore? It seems like Sayid was working his way around the island when he stopped at the cable and went inland. Who knows, there may be other groups of "Lost" survives yet to be found, not from flight 815. Perhaps that will be the season ender

If it is that there is another group of survivors... JEESH is Jack gonna get stressed out taking care of another bunch of people. He's not handling this as it is.

Maybe they have a nurse on the other 1/2 of the islands.

I think that they likely have a leader on the other 1/2... if so, the power struggle is going to be interesting. I don't know if what's in the hatch is important.. I'm just interested in getting more as to what threw all of these people together. Unless that info is in the hatch.

Do you think Sayid will remember that Hurley swiped the numbers in the first place and tell Hurley about the hatch... or will they continue this ridiculousness of information on a "need to know basis".

I can't remember...were the kids in Lord of the Flies rescued in the end? Maybe they are on the island too.

Originally posted by Blaurv
I can't remember...were the kids in Lord of the Flies rescued in the end? Maybe they are on the island too.

Funny...

Seriously, in at least one version, they were rescued just as the murder was going to take place. Seems like it was the Navy, IIRC.

Originally posted by Blaurv
b.) they find another group of survivors from flight 815 I hope there is another "tribe". Hoping for some kickass immunity challenges ;)

And the power cable was for all the secret cameras? I suppose the hatch is actually the door to the control room and editing bays...

Maybe when they get on Michael's raft, they will sail right into the wall at the "end" of the ocean. ;)

Mr. Poindexter, I totally laughed out loud for that one!

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Did anyone see the 20/20 tonight? J.J. is a lot younger than I expected. They talked about films that inspired scenes in the show.. and what the major influence of it all is... "Rod Serling's: The Twilight Zone"... I think that in and of itself is why we are getting a sci-fi, but not really feel to this whole show.
...and maybe why Walt can do things with his mind... anyone remember the family... the town hijacked by a child who could make things happen? It was both an episode and in "The Twilight Zone Movie".

It's really too bad they didn't really say anything about the stuff they said they would reveal. Like the numbers thing. Or like the island gives something but yet takes something away.

Originally posted by IrmoGamecoq
Funny...

Seriously, in at least one version, they were rescued just as the murder was going to take place. Seems like it was the Navy, IIRC.

Yes. At the end just when Jack and the rest of the boys are chasing Ralph to offer his head to the beast.

In fact, I am re-reading Lord of the Flies at the moment so far:

1. There is a reluctant leader
2. A "beast" of some sort
3. A "fat" kid
4. Boars that are being hunted
5. An "outcast" who doesn't like authority figures or rules

What about Walt's lengthy questioning of his dad concerning the raft's safety? I mean, the scene seemed to go on longer than it needed.

Why do I have an image of sharks circling the raft with some of the cast on it?

It looks like that raft looks pretty substantial, will hold a number of people, they have a radio and battery, they can stock up on plenty of supplies. The only thing unaccounted for is buoyancy. Doh ! ;)

Originally posted by bronowyn
Mr. Poindexter, I totally laughed out loud for that one!

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Did anyone see the 20/20 tonight? J.J. is a lot younger than I expected. They talked about films that inspired scenes in the show.. and what the major influence of it all is... "Rod Serling's: The Twilight Zone"... I think that in and of itself is why we are getting a sci-fi, but not really feel to this whole show.
...and maybe why Walt can do things with his mind... anyone remember the family... the town hijacked by a child who could make things happen? It was both an episode and in "The Twilight Zone Movie".

Billy Mummy was the little boy in the original episode. Billy went on to play Will Robinson in the original Lost in Space TV series.

Originally posted by stephenC
Billy Mummy was the little boy in the original episode. Billy went on to play Will Robinson in the original Lost in Space TV series.

He also played the same character again a couple years ago on the new Twilight Zone.

Maybe this show is some warped cross between:

#1: "Lord of the Flies" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100054/)
#2: "The Truman Show" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120382/)
#3: "The Island of Dr. Moreau" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116654/)
#3: "Fantasy Island" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077008/plotsummary)
#4: "The Twilight Zone" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052520/)
#5: "Sole Survivor" (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0065007/plotsummary)
#5: "Sole Survivor" (http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-20660,00.html)

Originally posted by CPanther95
The only thing unaccounted for is buoyancy. Doh ! ;)

Time to call in Dave and the 'Is It Buoyant' crew ... or maybe they should just weigh the raft against a duck.

Edit: Fixed Speelling ... Happy Now? :D

Dude, "Will It Float?". Would have been easier for you to spell, too. ;)

Originally posted by stephenC
Billy Mummy was the little boy in the original episode. Billy went on to play Will Robinson in the original Lost in Space TV series.

His character was named Anthony Freedmont in Peaksville, Ohio.

His name is Bill Mumy, not Mummy.

PJO1966 said:
He also played the same character again a couple years ago on the new Twilight Zone.Yep. Both he and his character had grown up.

All based on the Jerome Bixby short story of the same name.

Xesdeeni

Slightly OT, but Daniel Dae Kim is onscreen for about 5 seconds in the new movie "Crash."

I'd highly recommend this movie...a bit preachy at times, but thought-provoking and well made with a great cast. Check it out here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375679/

Originally posted by htevolution
Slightly OT, but Daniel Dae Kim is onscreen for about 5 seconds in the new movie "Crash."

I'd highly recommend this movie...a bit preachy at times, but thought-provoking and well made with a great cast. Check it out here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375679/

And Crash has a funny endorsement for the Discovery channel in one of its scenes... great movie.

Originally posted by Syzygy
His name is Bill Mumy, not Mummy.

Yep. Both he and his character had grown up.

He also played Lennier in Babylon 5. Lennier was Delenn's assistant. Delenn was played by Mira Furlan, who is currently cast as Rousseau on Lost.

One degree of seperation.

As another interesting note, he was the one who wrote and sang the song "Fish Heads" from the Dr. Demento show, IIRC.

I recently saw the commercial for the upcoming 3 last episodes and I think they gave away a very important clue that determines what everything is based around...... I think everything is based on the boys comic book that he was reading that his father tossed in the fire. Remember when he was looking at it? And in the comic book very briefly there was a picture of the white bears. Also, in the commercial there is a clip of the boy horrified when Lock shows him the hatch, and in the seen the boy is saying "Do not open that hatch" I could be wrong but it's just a theory that I have. Someone might have already came up with this idea but I just thought about it last night. What does everyone think?

WHy did this need its own thread with two other lost (spoilers and no spoilers) threads already?

That said, the comic, the boy and the bears are definetly related and the questions are how far will the connection go, and is the boy reading the comic and controlling things, or is the comic already accurate regardless of what the boy can manifest.

This was already discussed in the main thread, btw. ;)

Cheers.

Threads merged.

Was the kid with the group that shot the polar bear?

I think it was interesting that in the recap issue there wasn't a single mention of the boy and his power.

Originally posted by goodband34
I recently saw the commercial for the upcoming 3 last episodes and I think they gave away a very important clue that determines what everything is based around...... I think everything is based on the boys comic book that he was reading that his father tossed in the fire. Remember when he was looking at it? And in the comic book very briefly there was a picture of the white bears. Also, in the commercial there is a clip of the boy horrified when Lock shows him the hatch, and in the seen the boy is saying "Do not open that hatch" I could be wrong but it's just a theory that I have. Someone might have already came up with this idea but I just thought about it last night. What does everyone think?

That was already discussed about 6000 posts ago. Gotta' keep up! :eek:;)

Oh, sorry....I guess I didn't want to go through 319 pages to look. lazy.

I can't stop thinking about the scene where Sayid's buddies are playing Half-Life. It makes me think that inside the hatch there is some genetics experiment gone horribly wrong, just like in the Half-Life game. I don't know, probably too obvious though.

Maybe they go through the hatch and come out in cartoon form, and come to an island with an identical set of survivors, who all gather round to look at the newcomers and then get crushed by a giant "Monty Python" foot.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
Maybe they go through the hatch and come out in cartoon form, and come to an island with an identical set of survivors, who all gather round to look at the newcomers and then get crushed by a giant "Monty Python" foot.

http://www.emotipad.com/newemoticons/Grin-Nod.gif

Slightly OT, but we were watching the CSI that was on this weekend, the two-parter, and noticed in the first one that "Sawyer" had a small role. He played a parking valet at a hotel who knew "Nick" from school.

Just doing some random dot connecting with a heavy dose of conclusion jumping:

Planes everywhere - Oceanic plane crash landed on the island. Smuggler's plane crashed on the island. Could Kate and her toy plane represent the fact that her father disappeared along with a whole plane?

Some "thing(s)" is inside the hatch - we saw the light coming on.

It appears to be able have some psychic or telepathic ability - put visions in Locke's head.

It wants to get out - Creates obsessive behavior in Locke to open the hatch.

It shouldn't be let out - Pandora's Box reference in Hurley back story. Walt's comic book.

It was locked away many years ago - at least more than the 16 years ago that the French woman has been there and maybe as far back as the approx 50 year old dead bodies found in the cave.

Who locked it up? - could be the military. Tie in with Kate's father perhaps?

The "thing" has psychic ability to alter events or reality - could it have caused the crash of Oceanic flight 815? The wreck of the French research ship.

Does the thing's ability get stronger once outside the hatch? - Might open some sort of vortex where planes and ships could be transported. The smuggler plane could have disappeared in Africa and appeared on the island. Did Kate's father disappear in a plane the same way? Did it transport polar bears from the artic circle?

The others - the whispers in the trees seem to be watching the survivors. Are they there to keep an eye on the thing in the hatch to make sure it doesn't escape? If so, is it because it's an evil thing and needs to be watched by good things of it's own kind? Why isn't the military watching the hatch anymore? Could be that they were not capable of keeping the thing locked up for long or where just releived of duty by the more capable watchers?

It killed them all - do the watcher's protect the hatch from being opened? Do they use the monster as their physical presence and force? Do the Watcher's live near the black rock?

Why do they need Claire's baby? Do the watchers need new gifted members to keep their abilities up? Why haven't they taken Walt? Was Walt too old to be adopted into the Watchers or does he have a different type of ability that won't work with them.

It should take at least a few seasons to sort all this out. :D

interesting, whatever is in the hatch can't be good, whoever put it there went through a lot of trouble to get it there

And now....

Its time for the people marooned on the island to explode.

"BANG"


Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
Maybe they go through the hatch and come out in cartoon form, and come to an island with an identical set of survivors, who all gather round to look at the newcomers and then get crushed by a giant "Monty Python" foot.

Isn't ironic that Locke cracked Sayid over the head because he thought it was dangerous to try and triangulate the radio signal? Yet he is determined to open the hatch which really seems even more dangerous.

It really only seems dangerous in the context of seeing the previews and Walt's warning.

I know if I were on that island, I'd want to get that damn hatch open (probably even after hearing Walt's warning).

Did anyone see J.J. Abram's interview on 20/20 last week? If I recall correctly he said everything would have a "plausible" explanation. He said he would feel cheated if it was a dream or "purgatory" as some suggested. Sounds like he is setting a pretty high bar if he wants everything to be plausible.

It seems he's said that same thing a number of times now throughout the season. If true, that should make the anti magic island/fantasy people happy. Then again, he also keeps mentioning the thing about The Twilight Zone being a major inspiration for the show as well. Perhaps "plausible" is in the eye of the beholder ;).

ron

Originally posted by Matt L
Did anyone see J.J. Abram's interview on 20/20 last week? If I recall correctly he said everything would have a "plausible" explanation. He said he would feel cheated if it was a dream or "purgatory" as some suggested. Sounds like he is setting a pretty high bar if he wants everything to be plausible.

I haven't seen Alias much before this season but after watching some of it and Felicity, I think Abrams will dip his toes into the pool of science-fiction and fantasy or at most wade gingerly into the shallow end. But he won't dive right into the deep end.

Alias has a lot of fictional weapons but they are supposedly grounded in science and technology. Not that much more out there than the stuff you see in other shows like 24.

In Felicity, you did have the Twilight Zone episode. And then in the coda to the series, you had time travel which turned out to be Felicity's fevered dreams. Of course by then people accused Abrams of abandoning Felicity for Alias.

How could people think the hatch has something dangerous inside? If it was that dangerous and the builder of the hatch didn't want whatever was in it to get out, do you think they would have put the handle on the INSIDE?

The hatch is a clue to the mystery of the island and might help answer some basic questions like what the island's history might be. The transmission tower might also be a clue, but then you have to deal with the others the French woman warns about, as well as the French woman.

For the people who keep saying that Walt has conjured up the bears:

Rousseau makes mention of the bears, so they are probably not that recent an introduction to the island.

Maybe, in the end, a hatch is just a hatch.

Paul

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
How could people think the hatch has something dangerous inside? If it was that dangerous and the builder of the hatch didn't want whatever was in it to get out, do you think they would have put the handle on the INSIDE?How do you know there is a handle at all? I've been wondering all along why they keep calling that thing a "hatch." ;)

It's like a big escape pod from a space ship, and the "hatch" is the door/hatch with the window on top. They want to open the "hatch" to see inside the pod.

Ooh, escape pod from a space ship?

Do you get the feeling this might be like the opening of Al Capone's vault?

Maybe it will be like the opening of the door in the Great Pyramid of Khufu. There will be another hatch behind it. ;)

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
Do you get the feeling this might be like the opening of Al Capone's vault?



:D

They wouldn't do that to us....would they..???:eek:

The hatch will open, everyone's jaws will drop at what they see. We'll see nothing except a fade to black.

Season Over. ;)

Originally posted by CPanther95
The hatch will open, everyone's jaws will drop at what they see. We'll see nothing except a fade to black.

Season Over. ;)

CPanther, I thought this thread wasn't supposed to have any spoilers in it?!?!

~Alan

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
Do you get the feeling this might be like the opening of Al Capone's vault?

Maybe it will be like the opening of the door in the Great Pyramid of Khufu. There will be another hatch behind it. ;)

Anything new with the UPUAUT project by the way?

I don't see how one guys guess is a spoiler.

You must have forgotten the smiley face, right?


Originally posted by Alan Gordon
CPanther, I thought this thread wasn't supposed to have any spoilers in it?!?!

~Alan

Maybe it's an observation portal for whatever, whoever else is on the island.

In that case, maybe it's designed to exit but certainly not enter.

Locke saw it light up. Perhaps the people/beings responsible do their work at night and Locke caught them.

Maybe there are other observation portals yet undiscovered.

Paul

I bet it leads to the other side of the Earth.

So what do you think we will learn about Kate tonight?

The toy plane?
Whom and/or why she killed?

Guest star: Mackenzie Astin, brother to Sean Astin (aka Samwise).

One Hatch to rule them all, One Hatch to find them, One Hatch to bring them all, and in the Darkness bind them.

;)

Paul

"The hatch will open, everyone's jaws will drop at what they see. We'll see nothing except a fade to black.

Season Over. "

Don't forget that funky trombone/THX intro music too...

Originally posted by etcarroll
I don't see how one guys guess is a spoiler.

You must have forgotten the smiley face, right?


Right! To me, it sounds exactly like something a Hollywood writer would do... and unless J.J. can surprise us (who at least does generally surprise you), I expect CPanther95 may have guessed the ending.

~Alan

Or maybe they start jumping in one by one and when the last person passes through the opening the screen goes black.

Paul

Originally posted by snowcat
So what do you think we will learn about Kate tonight?

The toy plane?
Whom and/or why she killed?

Guest star: Mackenzie Astin, brother to Sean Astin (aka Samwise).

maybe they'll disclose that Kate is actually a guy :rolleyes:

Did you people see the LOST NUMBERS REFERENCE GUIDE? Mr. Moderator, if I'm not allowed to give out URLs, just state that, and I'll list what it says on the site here....

4815162342 - LOST NUMBERS REFERENCE PAGE (http://thenumbers.greatestjournal.com/ )

It's pretty crazy.

Originally posted by bronowyn
4815162342 - LOST NUMBERS REFERENCE PAGE (http://thenumbers.greatestjournal.com/ )

It's pretty crazy.

Somebody's got way too much time on their hands.

Originally posted by Alan Gordon
Right! To me, it sounds exactly like something a Hollywood writer would do... and unless J.J. can surprise us (who at least does generally surprise you), I expect CPanther95 may have guessed the ending.

~Alan

I better not be right, I was just trying to think of what would piss me off the most.

Originally posted by NorthJersey
maybe they'll disclose that Kate is actually a guy :rolleyes:

That would, without a doubt, win the Emmy for best makeup. :p

All i have to say is that the last 10 seconds of the show(that being the previews for next week) were more exciting then the whole episode

Well now I have a better understanding of Kate.

My theory is that she killed her dad, who was probably abusing her as a kid. It explains why she is on the run and why her mother got scared when she saw her in the hospital. Her mother may not have know about the abuse (or not believed her).

At least we know about the plane. Boy, Mackenzie Astin looks a lot like his father (Gomez from Adams family).

Not the most action packed episode, but it was a nice calm before the final two episodes.

Great teaser..."The others are coming. You can run, you can hide, or you can die." :eek:

The message left by Kate was recorded on 08/15/1989

CFC

Originally posted by CFC
The message left by Kate was recorded on 08/15/1989

CFC
Yeah, we noticed the 8-15 reference on that. Lots of other numbers in this episode; all the license plates at the beginning, the room number 208 in the hospital...
I had a feeling before it was over Tom was not going to make it since he was tied into the toy plane. Speaking of which now the question is how it got into the safe deposit box and how did Kate know it would be there later?

I think they need to kill off Kate and have Jennifer Garner walk into the Rambaldi Machine and come back out as Evangeline Lilly.

That would work perfectly...since Garner is pregnant, Alias might be toast next year. Lilly could step right in and the show wouldn't miss a beat.

Oh, tonight's Lost was good :)

I liked the 2nd verse of the song...Monster ate the pilot.

Originally posted by labmansid
now the question is how it got into the safe deposit box and how did Kate know it would be there later? ...and why was it worth staging an armed bank robbery just to get it out of there?

Charlie said "track 2" Monster ate the pilot, and of course that was in episode 2, right?

Originally posted by mx6bfast
I liked the 2nd verse of the song...Monster ate the pilot.
LOL, that was pretty good, maybe verse 3 will be "Charlie goes Cold Turkey, becomes Body-Guard-Wannabe"!

I hope this is the calm before the storm. Very little new this week on the island. Jack saw the hatch and everyone knows about Kate. That's it.

Somehow the plane ends up in a safe deposit box (personal effects?) - and we still don't know what started Kate's semi-crime spree.

Originally posted by CPanther95
I hope this is the calm before the storm. Very little new this week on the island. Jack saw the hatch and everyone knows about Kate. That's it.

Somehow the plane ends up in a safe deposit box (personal effects?) - and we still don't know what started Kate's semi-crime spree.

I agree, not much new info tonite. Hoping next week will bring a lot more plot movement. Didn't get a whole lot out of Kate's backstory, either; her character is still pretty mysterious.

If any of you noticed the Ohio licence plate zoomed in upon early in the episode this week when Kate was switching license plates, the county listed at the bottom of the plate was Shelby County, whose county seat is Sidney (and the Oceanic flight took off from Sydney, Australia).

Well that episode shot a hole in my theory about Kate's toy plane being about her father. I think it's weak motivation for arranging a bank robbery to get the thing back. Nothing like having a reminder of a bad choice push you into making more bad choices.

I think Hurley echoed our sentiments tonight when he expressed concern about all the "need to know" info control. Maybe a breakthrough is coming in that regard?? Yeah, right!!

Originally posted by jbradway
Well that episode shot a hole in my theory about Kate's toy plane being about her father. I think it's weak motivation for arranging a bank robbery to get the thing back. Nothing like having a reminder of a bad choice push you into making more bad choices.

It does explain why she is so drawn to and protective of Jack...he reminds her of her childhood love, whom she got killed. Both doctors, decent men, always trying to help her, etc.

What "secret" did Hurley slip up and tell Locke? (I had a phone call and missed that part). From reading above I'm assuming it was that Kate was with the marshal?

Yeah, just that Kate was a fugitive.

I like how they brought "the science guy" in for the big explanation of monsoon season and wind direction....I thought "wow" they're getting ready to kill someone off and bring in this new character....and "poof"...he's gone not to be seen again in the episode

I am surprised that no one has mentioned Kate's shower scene yet. :D

Anyone have any screen shots to post? ;)

The science teacher (Art, IIRC) could definitely be an interesting character - and an actor I've seen in a number of different things. I'd expect to see more or him in the 2nd season.

Originally posted by CPanther95
The science teacher (Art, IIRC) could definitely be an interesting character - and an actor I've seen in a number of different things. I'd expect to see more or him in the 2nd season.

Dr. Artz was played by Daniel Roebuck, who has been in a lot of shows and movies, like Agent Cody Banks, and Matlock (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0736263/).

Yum... shower scene. I had to pretend not to be watching when the wife looked ;). Anyone freeze frame and zoom in on Kate's letter? In HD, it was fairly readable. Teasers for next week seem to indicate that who is going to open the hatch... and I can't imagine they will survive the experience!

Originally posted by snowcat
Dr. Artz was played by Daniel Roebuck, who has been in a lot of shows and movies.

The Late Shift (as Jay Leno) is the one that really stands out for me - also Final Destination & US Marshals.

Originally posted by snowcat
I am surprised that no one has mentioned Kate's shower scene yet. :D

Anyone have any screen shots to post? ;) I dvr'd Lost last night... I'll see if I can get a PIC up tonight... Next week's episode looks to be a "thriller!" I hope it lives up to the preview... What happens when the (4) people attempt to sail away from the island? Do they all drown or will some of them wash up on shore?

So I thought the last episode was supposed to be two hours, but it looks like that's not the case. Just two left, right? Each just one hour?

Originally posted by danc8379
So I thought the last episode was supposed to be two hours, but it looks like that's not the case. Just two left, right? Each just one hour?

Next week is one hour and the following week is two hours. But is it like one big three-hour episode.

No, next episode is 1 hour (Exodus Part 1) - final episode is 2 hours (Exodus Part 2 & Exodus Part 3)

The buried structure with the hatch kinda feels like the Tycho Magnetic Anomaly from "2001, a Space Odyssey".

My 13 year old daughter said she thought the hatch was the submarine (ship) the french women arrived on.

Speaking of the numbers, I noticed that Kate's tape was made on August 15, 1989. Someone already mentioned the 8 and 15, but 1989 was 16 years ago. There's another of the numbers. They should have said that they'd have 23 kids on the tape - not 9. Oh well.

Whee!

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Originally posted by CPanther95
I hope this is the calm before the storm. Very little new this week on the island. Jack saw the hatch and everyone knows about Kate. That's it.We had already anticipated that Hurley wouldn't see the hatch, so he'd miss the numbers on there. But didn't Sayid spend a lot of time trying to figure out the numbers on Rouseau's map? Shouldn't he have recognized them?

Originally posted by labmansid
I think Hurley echoed our sentiments tonight when he expressed concern about all the "need to know" info control. Maybe a breakthrough is coming in that regard?? Yeah, right!! It sounds like another example of them "listening" to online comments :) They killed off Hurley's CD player after we objected to the batteries lasting so long. And now they've at least recognized the ridiculousness of keeping secrets on an island, and the problems it causes ("how am I supposed to keep up with who knows what!?").

Xesdeeni

Quick question. It looked to me like Kate left the toy plane in the back seat of the car when she was making her escape from the car. Did I miss something?

Originally posted by DigitalDan
Quick question. It looked to me like Kate left the toy plane in the back seat of the car when she was making her escape from the car. Did I miss something?

She absolutely did. That's why it was in the safe deposit box instead of her posession. I don't know that it would make a lot of sense to rob a bank just to get that, though.

-Chris

Does anyone else think Kate and Sawyer are "birds of a feather" and are going to wind up together eventually? I mean that whole deal with the license plates and the hair dye, seem to point to her being some sort of grifter.

-Chris

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
We had already anticipated that Hurley wouldn't see the hatch, so he'd miss the numbers on there. But didn't Sayid spend a lot of time trying to figure out the numbers on Rouseau's map? Shouldn't he have recognized them?


In the preview for next week... They show Hurley standing next to the hatch staring at the side.

So, he WILL see the numbers. And I'm guessing... He will flip out. ;)

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
We had already anticipated that Hurley wouldn't see the hatch, so he'd miss the numbers on there. But didn't Sayid spend a lot of time trying to figure out the numbers on Rouseau's map? Shouldn't he have recognized them?



The preview for next week shows Hurley standing in front of the hatch. Can't wait to see him freak out when he sees the numbers.

Originally posted by 4HiMarks
Does anyone else think Kate and Sawyer are "birds of a feather" and are going to wind up together eventually? I mean that whole deal with the license plates and the hair dye, seem to point to her being some sort of grifter.

-Chris

Speaking of hair dye ... I'm wondering why Kate's roots aren't showing. I guess there was some spare dye in her color on the plane. Or maybe the island made her hair stop growing. (all sarcastic of course)

I'm actually wondering if there will be a season 2 ... how crazy would it be to have whatever is in the 'hatch' kill everyone off. That'd be quite a shocker considering we all expect this show to keep going.

Originally posted by 4HiMarks
Does anyone else think Kate and Sawyer are "birds of a feather" and are going to wind up together eventually? I mean that whole deal with the license plates and the hair dye, seem to point to her being some sort of grifter.

-Chris Of course... aren't they both murderers & thieves? I'm sorry, but whenever Kate sheds a tear I don't have much sympathy for her. Although... there is 'no doubt' she looks spectacular in a bikini!:D

Yeah Kate is suppose to be a misunderstood outlaw, with a real sentimental streak. That is why she went after that toy plane.

And she was so hurt that people accused her of poisoning Michael. Then it turns out he gave the Korean girl the idea.

The fact is, she could have given up and not gotten the doctor shot and killed.

Maybe the roots don't show because brown is her natural color, and the blond was the dye job. She was just going back to her real hair color.

Originally posted by wco81
Yeah Kate is suppose to be a misunderstood outlaw, with a real sentimental streak. That is why she went after that toy plane.

And she was so hurt that people accused her of poisoning Michael. Then it turns out he gave the Korean girl the idea.

The fact is, she could have given up and not gotten the doctor shot and killed. Right... and she only had to rob a bank... terrorizing it's customers & employees in the process. ;)

She sure is nice to look at, but I don't know how well I'd sleep at night with my back towards her?

Originally posted by optivity
She sure is nice to look at, but I don't know how well I'd sleep at night with my back towards her?

If you've got your back towards her, you're doing something wrong. :D

Does anyone remember the French Woman's first name? I think Rousseau is her last name.
Also, what is Sayid’s girlfriend’s first name?

It was quick, but I thought I heard Sayid say his girlfriends name in the preview?

I wonder if (when) we will see who "they" are?

What do you think she did that was so bad that her mom freaked out when she saw her? And that caused them to have a guard posted outside her door, I assume in anticipation of Kate showing up?

Given the "you know hwy I have to leave" comment I'm betting she was abused by a family member (father perhaps?) and killed them.

-MP

Originally posted by SilverHemi03
Does anyone remember the French Woman's first name? I think Rousseau is her last name.

Danielle ...

IIRC, the GF's name is some variation of Nora or Noora ... but I could be completely wrong there :)

She doesn't look like the child abuse victim.

She wouldn't be functional as an adult.

Yes they unveil one mystery (about the toy plane) to put up another, i.e. she was already on the run.

Originally posted by wco81
She doesn't look like the child abuse victim.

She wouldn't be functional as an adult.



Can't agree there. There are thousands (perhaps more) of child abuse victims who are fully functional members of society. They have issues that they may/may not have dealt with, but that doesn't mean they aren't functional in a day to day way. What do child abuse victims 'look' like?

On the other hand, calling Kate 'functional' is a stretch, on the run scam artist showering in unlocked hotel rooms, having to sneak into her dying mother's hospital room, getting her childhood love shot. If that's functional, then I would hate to see her be 'dysfunctional' lol :-)

Functional as in being able to pull off a bank robbery.

Or manipulating the Aussie guy into letting her stay with him.

Or manipulating Jin into poisoing the bottle.

Or manipulating the doctor into giving her access to the mother.

Originally posted by Iteki
Can't agree there. There are thousands (perhaps more) of child abuse victims who are fully functional members of society. They have issues that they may/may not have dealt with, but that doesn't mean they aren't functional in a day to day way. What do child abuse victims 'look' like?

On the other hand, calling Kate 'functional' is a stretch, on the run scam artist showering in unlocked hotel rooms, having to sneak into her dying mother's hospital room, getting her childhood love shot. If that's functional, then I would hate to see her be 'dysfunctional' lol :-)

I agree with this. Child abuse victims don't look any different than anyone else. Had an ex-GF who was abused by her step-father and was completely functional in society, to a degree. There are signs if you know what to look for, especially if the victim has never confronted the abuser and come to terms with the issue.

Kate's behavior would be almost textbook of someone who was abused. Someone mentioned earlier about the mother not knowing about the abuse. Trust me on this one, I've read the literature, the mother either knew about it and ignored it, or, refused to believe that her husband was capable of such a thing. Simply claiming ignorance that they knew it was happening is pretty rare, they knew one way or the other. This is one of the reasons why the this sort of thing has a tendency to continue generation after generation.

Originally posted by wco81
Functional as in being able to pull off a bank robbery.

Or manipulating the Aussie guy into letting her stay with him.

Or manipulating Jin into poisoing the bottle.

Or manipulating the doctor into giving her access to the mother.

All this behavior can stem from the abuse, the individual gets to a point where they only trust themselves and do not depend on or trust anyone else for survival. The manipulation comes from watching the non-abusive parent being manipulated and being manipulated themselves by their abuser. The abused becomes an expert at manipulation.

To say that someone that is abused can no longer function as an adult or perform any complex emotional tasks, is a ridiculous tangent to head off on.

Originally posted by CPanther95
To say that someone that is abused can no longer function as an adult or perform any complex emotional tasks, is a ridiculous tangent to head off on.


Watch out....don't make us bring out The ENFORCER!

:-)

Right, sorry... didn't mean to start a debate on the functionality of abuse victims ;) Just saying that's my theory. It fits with SO many pieces of the puzzle that is the lucious to look at Kate.

Originally posted by wco81
Functional as in being able to pull off a bank robbery.

Or manipulating the Aussie guy into letting her stay with him.

Or manipulating Jin into poisoing the bottle.

Or manipulating the doctor into giving her access to the mother.

Truly crazy people can function quite well when they are determined to do something. They have emotional problems, not mental retardation.

Her being able to manipulate a guy into leter her stay with him. Yeah, that would take a whole lot of manipulation. ;)

She gave Sun the idea, not Jin. Sun had the intent, just not the idea, so there wasn't manipulation - just information sharing.

As far as manipulating the doctor - that was her childhood boyfriend and best friend she had. He was also a doctor at the hospital where her mother was dying. Is that a hard stretch to imagine?

Where did we get the idea Kate was abused? I thought I had watched every episode...?

Originally posted by jackshakes
Speaking of hair dye ... I'm wondering why Kate's roots aren't showing. I guess there was some spare dye in her color on the plane. Or maybe the island made her hair stop growing. (all sarcastic of course)

I'm actually wondering if there will be a season 2 ... how crazy would it be to have whatever is in the 'hatch' kill everyone off. That'd be quite a shocker considering we all expect this show to keep going.
Why would her roots be showing, she dyed her hair back to it's original color (dark).

Originally posted by CPanther95
No, next episode is 1 hour (Exodus Part 1) - final episode is 2 hours (Exodus Part 2 & Exodus Part 3)

I just noticed that Part 1 will be repeated on Tuesday, May 24th at 8pm. That gives people another chance to see it before the 2 part finale.

Originally posted by snatch
Where did we get the idea Kate was abused? I thought I had watched every episode...?

That's all it is at this point, an idea. Something for us to talk about...we need to hit 10,000 posts in this thread before the season ends :D

Originally posted by Iteki
Watch out....don't make us bring out The ENFORCER!

:-) And his 'bevy' of beautiful assistants!;)

Originally posted by wmccullough
Maybe the roots don't show because brown is her natural color, and the blond was the dye job. She was just going back to her real hair color.

Correct. You could see the blond dye going down the drain as she rinsed it out of her [brown] hair.

Originally posted by Innova
That's all it is at this point, an idea. Something for us to talk about...we need to hit 10,000 posts in this thread before the season ends :D

Yep, just my theory to explain her weirdness, her mother's reaction, etc;

I wish Kate would abuse me. I have no idea where this show is going which is why I keep watching I guess. It will be very interesting to see how they end the season so that it can lead into next season.

Has no one mentioned that Walt ominously told Locke "Don't open it!" only after Locke grabbed Walt's arm?

Walt seems to have the ability to "see" others thoughts through touch, no?

Originally posted by dlipetz
Has no one mentioned that Walt ominously told Locke "Don't open it!" only after Locke grabbed Walt's arm?

Walt seems to have the ability to "see" others thoughts through touch, no?

Yes he seems like the golden child or the miracle kid I thought that was very strange as well

Originally posted by dlipetz
Has no one mentioned that Walt ominously told Locke "Don't open it!" only after Locke grabbed Walt's arm?

Walt seems to have the ability to "see" others thoughts through touch, no?

He also told his dad that they "have to leave" the island, even though he has shown reluctance to go. Walt has had some sort of vision, and it isn't good for the castaways. :eek:

Hopefully, the reason they "have to leave the island" is because Walt knows they are going to open the hatch. I don't care what bad things happen - and I don't care who, or how many castaways get killed. I just want the damn hatch open.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Hopefully, the reason they "have to leave the island" is because Walt knows they are going to open the hatch. I don't care what bad things happen - and I don't care who, or how many castaways get killed. I just want the damn hatch open.

Be careful of what you wish for. You even said it a page or two back:

Hatch opens. Show shocked expressions of survivors. Fade to black. Season ends.


You should say, "I don't care what bad things happen - and I don't care who, or how many castaways get killed. I just want the damn hatch open and see what is inside".

Or something like that :)

Yeah - what you said.

Unless it's a civilization of Morlocks (sp?) that live underground and come up every three months for a new harvest of slaves to work underground. That might disappoint me.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Yeah - what you said.

Unless it's a civilization of Morlocks (sp?) that live underground and come up every three months for a new harvest of slaves to work underground. That might disappoint me.

Actually, it they got Hurley they could probably go 6 months.:D

Originally posted by jackshakes
...I'm actually wondering if there will be a season 2 ... how crazy would it be to have whatever is in the 'hatch' kill everyone off. That'd be quite a shocker considering we all expect this show to keep going.

About as crazy as someone throwing away millions and millions of dollars in advertising revenue.

Dang CPanter, you've got a smokin lead.

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How does the toy plane end up in a safe deposit box in New Mexico if her old flame lived and died in Iowa?
I had the feeling when watching the bank robbery episode that what Kate found in the safe deposit box ain't exactly what she was looking for. I don't think the toy plane became important to her until after the crash and she discovered the halliburton case in the pond.

So Walt wants to get away from the island. Guess the rest are SOL.

Lets just be vague instead of giving details which might help the other castaways prepare and possibly survive.

IIRC, the GF's name is some variation of Nora or Noora ... but I could be completely wrong there :)
Nadia...

Correct. You could see the blond dye going down the drain as she rinsed it out of her [brown] hair.
As a guy, I know next to nothing about dyeing hair, but what was going down the drain was almost certainly excess brown tint that Kate was applying.

There's no old blond dye to wash out. Once you're done dyeing or bleaching, it's colorfast.

—Dan

Originally posted by rdwalt
Dang CPanter, you've got a smokin lead.

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I don't count for two reasons:

1) Mod crap factored in boosts that number way up.
2) This thread is one of the few I can always come to when I get tired of posting: Thread closed/Thread merged/Thread moved/Discuss in your local area thread, etc.

Originally posted by danco
As a guy, I know next to nothing about dyeing hair, but what was going down the drain was almost certainly excess brown tint that Kate was applying.

There's no old blond dye to wash out. Once you're done dyeing or bleaching, it's colorfast.

—Dan

As a married guy, I can tell you that you are correct. What was going down the drain was the brown dye.

Originally posted by danco
As a guy, I know next to nothing about dyeing hair, but what was going down the drain was almost certainly excess brown tint that Kate was applying.

There's no old blond dye to wash out. Once you're done dyeing or bleaching, it's colorfast.

—Dan

That's what I was thinking as well, she must have dyed her hair the same color as her real hair color so when it grew out it would not be as noticeable, otherwise we would be seeing blond roots on the island. With those eyebrows she's definitely a natural brunette.

Originally posted by SilverHemi03
Does anyone remember the French Woman's first name? I think Rousseau is her last name.
Also, what is Sayid’s girlfriend’s first name?

It was quick, but I thought I heard Sayid say his girlfriends name in the preview?

Danielle ...

IIRC, the GF's name is some variation of Nora or Noora ... but I could be completely wrong there

Nadia, Thanks!

Now I'm sure that the first words out of Sayid's mouth in the preview sounded like Nadia, or close to it. I thought they did a tight shot on her and I said to my wife, "what's Sayid's gorlfriend doing there?"

Could be a Red Herring and he just said that as Danielle Rousseau turned around.

That's what I was thinking as well, she must have dyed her hair the same color as her real hair color so when it grew out it would not be as noticeable, otherwise we would be seeing blond roots on the island. With those eyebrows she's definitely a natural brunette.
My first thought was: why is shy dyeing that blonde wig brown??? :)

Which brings up an interesting question: is it spelled "dyeing" or "dying"? "Dyeing" doesn't really look right, but "dying" means it'll be dead soon...

—Dan

Originally posted by danco
My first thought was: why is shy dyeing that blonde wig brown??? :)


I was wondering along the same lines. I was surprised when she didn't take the wig off before pulling her shirt over her head. Then I thought it would be much easier to dye the wig if she took it off. Finally it occurred to me that we were supposed to think that it wasn't a wig but that it was her own hair dyed blonde.

Originally posted by danco
is it spelled "dyeing"

—Dan

Yes. :)

Originally posted by SilverHemi03
Danielle ...

IIRC, the GF's name is some variation of Nora or Noora ... but I could be completely wrong there

Nadia, Thanks!

Now I'm sure that the first words out of Sayid's mouth in the preview sounded like Nadia, or close to it. I thought they did a tight shot on her and I said to my wife, "what's Sayid's gorlfriend doing there?"No, he said, "Danielle! What are you doing here?" in the preview.

And I'm not 100% certain, but I think the CIA lady in last week's episode called the girlfriend something other than Nadia, though I am quite certain that in Sayid's first flashback episode, he called her Nadia. :confused:

Whatever the CIA woman called her, Sayid said "nobody ever calls her that".

Originally posted by PJO1966
I was wondering along the same lines. I was surprised when she didn't take the wig off before pulling her shirt over her head. Then I thought it would be much easier to dye the wig if she took it off. Finally it occurred to me that we were supposed to think that it wasn't a wig but that it was her own hair dyed blonde.

Yeah, that's what I thought too. You'd think they could have done a better job on that.

What I don't understand is why the hell the survivors are going to have to run or hide. They collectively have access to the following:

1 rifle that Rousseau has working
1 rifle that Rousseau removed the firing pin from. That should be repairable.
1 pistol that Sawyer took from the marshall
4 pistols that were in the marshall's halliburton case
1 pistol that Locke got from the dead drug runner disguised as a priest
1 unknown weapon that the author of the diary has in her dive bag
Lord knows how many knives Locke brought with him.

It seems to me that with 2 rifles and 6 pistols, they should be able to make a stand against a moderate sized force.

If the others are unarmed, they have no chance unless they are the undead. If they are armed, you can add whatever weapons from the ones you kill to your arsenal. Unless they have a tank, they are vulnerable to the survivor's weapons.

Dousseau can use a gun.
Sayid can usea gun.
Charlie can use a gun.
Locke can use a gun or knife.
Kate can use a gun.
Sawyer can use a gun.
Jin can use a gun.

I just don't see where this idea of no way they can make a stand comes from unless they are going up against a trained militia or worse.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter

4 pistols that were in the marshall's halliburton case


Do we even know if they still have the pistols? When Shannon was going to shoot Locke didn't Jack say the pistols were gone?

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
What I don't understand is why the hell the survivors are going to have to run or hide. They collectively have access to the following:

..............................


I just don't see where this idea of no way they can make a stand comes from unless they are going up against a trained militia or worse.

What do they have that can go up against something that can snatch a pilot out of a plane 25 feet up in the air? ;)

Originally posted by CPanther95
What do they have that can go up against something that can snatch a pilot out of a plane 25 feet up in the air? ;)

Last time I checked, bullets reach at least 25ft.

What creatures do you know of that are bulletproof? ;)

Originally posted by keenan
Do we even know if they still have the pistols? When Shannon was going to shoot Locke didn't Jack say the pistols were gone?

They would at least have the one pistol they took from her. I don't think she destroyed the other pistols, so it is just a matter of locating them.