Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
Last time I checked, bullets reach at least 25ft.

What creatures do you know of that are bulletproof? ;)

I want more than a couple 9mm handguns to go up against anything that big. It's not whether you can kill it or not, it's whether it will die before it kills you. :)

A couple of 9mm? Try a half-dozen handguns, two rifles and some other unknown weapon.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
Unless they have a tank...

:p

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
What I don't understand is why the hell the survivors are going to have to run or hide. They collectively have access to the following:

1 rifle that Rousseau has working
1 rifle that Rousseau removed the firing pin from. That should be repairable.
1 pistol that Sawyer took from the marshall
4 pistols that were in the marshall's halliburton case
1 pistol that Locke got from the dead drug runner disguised as a priest
1 unknown weapon that the author of the diary has in her dive bag
Lord knows how many knives Locke brought with him.

It seems to me that with 2 rifles and 6 pistols, they should be able to make a stand against a moderate sized force.



But they can't just run down to the local gun shop and buy an unlimited supply of ammo. Do we even know how much ammo they have per gun?

Also, I don't think we have ever been told how many "others" there are. A group of 100 or more of these other's could quickly overwhelm 8 gunmen, who might not be perfect shots and would have to reload periodically with the previously mentioned lack of ammo.

But I agree that knowing there are these "others" on the island who may harm them, it would be wise to take a collection of all the guns and have someone on guard or at least with duties of guarding and using the guns if necessary.

Or at least hunt the boar with them.

IIRC, they had two boxes of ammo, which would be about 100 rounds left.

Do we even know if they still have the pistols? When Shannon was going to shoot Locke didn't Jack say the pistols were gone?

Jack was wearing the key to the gun case around his neck again this past week so I would assume the guns are all locked away again.

Another point that hasn't been dicussed is Michael's lack of enthusiasm for rescuing the rest of the survivors when he launches the raft.

He doesn't sound hopeful at all that he will find the island again after he and his crew (hopefully) get rescused. It is almost like Michael just wants to get of the island with his son and could care less what happens to everyone else. :eek:

I just can't tell whether he is being realistic, apathetic, or he really doesn't want the rest of the group found.

I envision them opening the hatch and the others start jumping out of the hatch, kinda like in Matrix when the sentinels start coming thru the hole on the roof.

Somehow, though, I think they are going to find the speculated upon other 1/2 of the passengers. We haven't been talking about that... don't you think that they might reveal something about them before the show is over for the season?

Don't open that hatch, Ethyl! But it was too late, she'd already been Abram-i-cized. ;)

Paul

Originally posted by snowcat
Another point that hasn't been dicussed is Michael's lack of enthusiasm for rescuing the rest of the survivors when he launches the raft.

He doesn't sound hopeful at all that he will find the island again after he and his crew (hopefully) get rescused. It is almost like Michael just wants to get of the island with his son and could care less what happens to everyone else. :eek:

I just can't tell whether he is being realistic, apathetic, or he really doesn't want the rest of the group found.

I agree with your point about Michael's comments. He didn't seem to want to help the remaining survivors be found once they are rescued from the raft.

But in our world, FAA investigators would demand to know the location of the island to analyze the plane parts to determine the reason for the mid-air breakup.

We can only wait until season 2 for these answers.

Since Boone was able to contact somebody with the radio, they can't be too far from civilization (with an airfield/port), right?

Paul

Lets suppose there were 100 of the others. If you were one of them, would you charge headlong into 8 armed defenders? Certainly not if you are even remotely close to sane. If they went berserk, maybe, but then why would they have waited this long to attack?

Locke has studied warfare, so he could pick out any of the numerous defensible positions on the island they have come across. While 100 might be a tough number to oppose, there wouldn't be bunkers for 100 to come up on them, so it wouldn't be quite like 100 on 8. It would be more like 15 on 8 with reinforcements.

I have played in bg games in paintball and the only problem you run into in such scenerios is running out of ammo. In paintball, people will keep playing when they are losing. In real life, they will retreat when getting their asses kicked.

Originally posted by Paul Bigelow
Don't open that hatch, Ethyl! But it was too late, she'd already been Abram-i-cized. ;)

Paul

Man, you must be old. :p

Paul, it is assumed that Boone contacted the survivors of the tail section, so they simply are not far from additional survivors. The fact that Daniel Rousseau's distress call went unanswered for 16 years is a good sign that they are not close to civilization and also in a very rarely visited part of the world that is well off the beaten path.

since many have stated they saw the "bodybag" moving up/down when Ethan was placed in it, maybe that was done intentional by the writers, possible that Ethan isn't really dead. If that's the case then it doesn't matter how many guns or ammo they have, the "others" won't be stopped by weapons. Maybe this is the reason why everyone is running away in the previews - because they tried shooting one of the others but they still keep coming at them

Ethan is dead.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Hopefully, the reason they "have to leave the island" is because Walt knows they are going to open the hatch. I don't care what bad things happen - and I don't care who, or how many castaways get killed. I just want the damn hatch open.

the faithful (or just smart) will avert their gaze. the rest, well, see ya in the flashbacks!

Originally posted by CPanther95
Ethan is dead.

ah, but there are many ethans. some of them don't even know they're ethan!

Ha, I just realized that Danielle Rousseau is really close to Daniel Larusso, the karate kid.

Just thought that was funny.

How does Rousseau know they are coming?

It sure would be nice to have that bunker she decided to booby-trap too...you'd think after so many years on the island she would have valued her shelter a little more, especially when the Others are out there and she is obviously fears them.

The Karate Kid "wax off". :D

The Others are all powerful. They can kill with a simple gaze from their eyes! :eek:. Seriously, we really don't know anything. We don't even know that Ethan was an "other". Based on what we saw of him, whispering from the trees wouldn't exactly seem to fit his type of MO now would it? I'm not at all convinced that there are/were additional survivors from any tail section either. There may be, but I think it's still far from a given at this point. Even if they do reveal some long sought after answers before the end of the "Exodus", I think we can only expect that they will be partial at best and as always, raise even more, probably bigger questions. Gotta keep the viewers hooked and waiting in anticipation you know :p

As far as Michael and his intentions/thoughts go, I didn't sense any deliberate lack of caring for the rest of the survivors really. I think he is just skeptical that the island could be re-located after a possible raft rescue. Although to me that seems like an unfounded concern. Unless of course, there really is no island :D. Personally, I think I'm much rather take my chances on solid ground with food/water than on a floating raft out in the middle of who knows where. Even with a bunch of strange sh*t going on...

ron

I wonder if the "weather dude" from the last episode is going to get a shot at being a lead next year? They'll need new background stories and a larger pool to draw from, if "Lost" continues in its current format.

Paul

Maybe whatever is in the hatch keeps "the others" at bay. The hatch gets opened, "the others" arrive and kill anyone with 3 aired backstories.

"The name Exodus means "departure" and... tells how God led the Israelites out of a life of hardship and slavery in Egypt. God made a covenant with them and gave them the Law to order their lives."

"... the term "an exodus" has come to mean a departure of a great number of people."

Moving off the beach to into the "jungle" to reduce production costs?

Jump through the hatch to an alternate environment entirely?

Could it happen?

Paul

Exodus could also describe the raft and its occupants leaving the island.

My guess is that the raft goes out to see and we don't know what will happen to them, which will be one of the mysteries to keep us interested in season 2.

Originally posted by bohbot16
Maybe whatever is in the hatch keeps "the others" at bay. The hatch gets opened, "the others" arrive and kill anyone with 3 aired backstories.

Boone didn't have 3 aired backstories and he got killed.

I wonder, though. Are there going to be any back stories in the Exodus episode? If not, prepare for a lot of action on the island.

They didn't have any flashbacks in the pilot, did they? I didn't keep them on my TiVo back then so I can't go back and look.

What creatures do you know of that are bulletproof? ;)
If it bleeds, we can kill it...

Originally posted by barth2k
ah, but there are many ethans. some of them don't even know they're ethan!

And, I suppose, they have a plan?

Originally posted by danco
If it bleeds, we can kill it...

While that may be true, I don't see anybody I would consider "Arnoldesque" on the island. Heck, I don't even see anybody who looks as tough as Danny Glover - locke maybe, but he is getting too old for this sh!t. ;)

Missed this episode entirely (first time). Damn VCR!!! (yes, VCR - still no SA8300HD from Comcast and I won't take the 8000 model).

We don't know "if it bleeds" yet.

I do wonder how they are going to open this hatch, though. They obviously cannot break the glass. Perhaps they shoot it out? Of course, Locke didn't find the gun until just before Boone got in the plane, so he hasn't had a chance to shoot the window out.

Maybe force is isn't the answer -- the harder they pound on it the tighter it gets. Maybe Sawyer will pull out some suction cups from his stash of goodies and they gently lift it off.

Paul

Originally posted by danco
If it bleeds, we can kill it... Until they run out of bullets.

Originally posted by Paul Bigelow
Maybe force is isn't the answer -- the harder they pound on it the tighter it gets. Maybe Sawyer will pull out some suction cups from his stash of goodies and they gently lift it off.

Paul

Maybe the hatch it is waiting for Hurley. Once he gets there, he says the magic word (or numbers in this case) and the hatch will open voluntarily. Maybe there is something bad inside and it continues Hurley's paranoia that he/the numbers are producing some type of bad mojo.

In any case, can't wait to see him freak out when he finally does see the numbers on the pod (or whatever it is).

Originally posted by Paul Bigelow
Maybe force is isn't the answer -- the harder they pound on it the tighter it gets.

How do you know it's getting tighter? Still won't open, but it's no more stubborn now than it was earlier.

I agree that shooting out the window will be how they finally get into the ... thing-in-the-ground.

Originally posted by archiguy

I agree that shooting out the window will be how they finally get into the ... thing-in-the-ground.

I don't think so....that contraption Locke built delivered a lot of force to the window and didn't do anything...I don't think a bullet's going through it either.

Originally posted by Paul Bigelow
Maybe force is isn't the answer -- the harder they pound on it the tighter it gets. Maybe Sawyer will pull out some suction cups from his stash of goodies and they gently lift it off.

Paul

or maybe they can pull a rev. psy. on it and all walk away like they don't care, and the hatch will be "hey where are you going? i'm not done tormenting you yet. hello? any body?"

They will open the hatch and an alien zoo keeper will come out, feed them, give them shots (and enemas), and then leave, closing and locking the hatch again.

A mysterious sign will appear saying (with incomprehensible text) "please do not feed the humans".

Unless of course that is already what 4 8 15 16 23 42 means in space alien talk.

- Tom

Could be Michael Jackson's hyperbaric chamber. That would explain Walt's insistence that it not be opened. :D

That's too funny!

Paul

That is so wrong and yet so right at the same time...

Why does Michael Jackson like twenty-six year olds?







Because there are twenty of them. :D

ouch!

That's a new one. I'll be sure to use it next time I get the chance. :D

Well since we're talking about numbers, who does Michael Jackson consider a perfect "10"?






A: Two 5 year olds.

-Chris

I predict that all the guys will have their shot at opening the hatch but ultimately their attempts will be futile. After they are done Sun will simply walk up and easily pop it right open, at which point all the manly dudes will say in near unison, "Well, we loosened it up for her" while nodding at each other in agreement.

I then think a giant Popping Fresh Pillsbury Dough Boy will spring out and declare that it's time to whip up a nice batch of "human wraps". As the closing scene of the season comes to an end, Locke's bald head can be seen poking out the end of a huge, nicely browned, flaky crusted wrap. He can be heard yelling "but I did all that you asked" as a still-unseen creature chomps down on his feet sticking out the other end. Several months later during the previews for the opening show of season 2 Locke's words have mysteriously changed to "but I just couldn't do all that you asked"....

ron

Now that's funny. You should be writing for the show.

Originally posted by stephenC
I agree with your point about Michael's comments. He didn't seem to want to help the remaining survivors be found once they are rescued from the raft.

But in our world, FAA investigators would demand to know the location of the island to analyze the plane parts to determine the reason for the mid-air breakup.

We can only wait until season 2 for these answers.

I got the impression he was just trying to temper Walt's hopes with a bit of pragmatism. He really does have no way to find the island again. He can only tell the authorities about their trip, and by 'guesstimating' by the length of the trip and weather patterns as to where it might be. He can also pass along the pilot's revelation that they were x miles off course to begin with.

If they had a sextant and knew how to use it he could.

sorry if this has been mentioned but I saw a few more previews for Wed's episode tonight ... and in one shot you see hurley staring at the hatch ...

Originally posted by keenan
If they had a sextant and knew how to use it he could.

Then they'd know how long until they hit Antarctica. :)

They could leave a trail of breadcrumbs.

Originally posted by barth2k
or maybe they can pull a rev. psy. on it and all walk away like they don't care, and the hatch will be "hey where are you going? i'm not done tormenting you yet. hello? any body?"

I can imagine Ben Stein jumping out of the hatch, "C'mon guys, where did you go ? I'm here to torment you ! Anyone ? Anyone? Buehler ?"

I think CP is right about the hatch. We won't find out what's inside until next season.

The fate of the raft is probably going to be another cliffhanger, but I can predict what is going to happen there. There's no way they would permanently remove a character as interesting as Sawyer, especially if he and Kate are going to hook up eventually. So the science teacher's prediction is going to come true - they'll leave, be at sea for a couple of days, and then the wind will shift and drive them right back again. Their return will be part of the two hour season premiere.

-Chris

Originally posted by 4HiMarks
The fate of the raft is probably going to be another cliffhanger, but I can predict what is going to happen there. There's no way they would permanently remove a character as interesting as Sawyer, especially if he and Kate are going to hook up eventually. So the science teacher's prediction is going to come true - they'll leave, be at sea for a couple of days, and then the wind will shift and drive them right back again. Their return will be part of the two hour season premiere.


Maybe they will be considered the "others". To Rousso anyone could be an other. Maybe when they leave the island they forget everything, and come back to it as if they have never been there before.

Originally posted by 4HiMarks
The fate of the raft is probably going to be another cliffhanger, but I can predict what is going to happen there. There's no way they would permanently remove a character as interesting as Sawyer, especially if he and Kate are going to hook up eventually. So the science teacher's prediction is going to come true - they'll leave, be at sea for a couple of days, and then the wind will shift and drive them right back again. Their return will be part of the two hour season premiere.

-Chris

I think another likely scenario is the raft washes back ashore and happens upon Black Rock or the transmission tower, or possibly another section of the plane. Just washing back to the island and returning to the rest of the castaways doesn't move the story along- if the writers are devoting three hours worth of story line to the exodus, then it will lead us to something important.

Well, they released the description of what will happen in parts 2&3 of Exodus.

I personally think they will be at sea at the end of the first season. At the beginning of season 2, they will happen end up on another island and find the other group of survivors, who help them find the first group. This will allow them to slow the progress of the story line even further by going back and forth between groups.

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
Well, they released the description of what will happen in parts 2&3 of Exodus.

I personally think they will be at sea at the end of the first season. At the beginning of season 2, they will happen end up on another island and find the other group of survivors, who help them find the first group. This will allow them to slow the progress of the story line even further by going back and forth between groups.

I'll be tuning in to something else in that time period if that happens.

But eventually they will stop doing back stories on the characters and focus on the island, I would think, unless they decided to rotate through all the survivors once they had their 3 back stories.

For me, this show is rapidly getting to the point that I don't really give a hoot about anybody's back stories anymore, next season better focus on the island and what's going on with it otherwise I will probably be watching the competition.

And another thing, there better not be any more 3, 4, or 5 week breaks next season either....

Ok, rant off...:p

Originally posted by keenan
For me, this show is rapidly getting to the point that I don't really give a hoot about anybody's back stories anymore, next season better focus on the island and what's going on with it otherwise I will probably be watching the competition.

...or at least have the backstories reveal some links that are actually shared among the relevant survivors.

Originally posted by CPanther95
...or at least have the backstories reveal some links that are actually shared among the relevant survivors.

Yes, as long as these links are connected with the people on the island in real time, not in any more back-story modes. Like have Sawyer talk to Jack about Jack's father in real time, today, on the island.

exactly.

Originally posted by keenan
For me, this show is rapidly getting to the point that I don't really give a hoot about anybody's back stories anymore, next season better focus on the island and what's going on with it otherwise I will probably be watching the competition.

And another thing, there better not be any more 3, 4, or 5 week breaks next season either....

Ok, rant off...:p

maybe they'll wait until MNF moves to ESPN, move Lost to Monday night, and then, like 24, show all episodes in consecutive weeks. Of course if they did that, it would go up against 24, and one of the two shows would eventually get cancelled.

ABC's Fall schedule is out. Lost moves to 9:00 PM on Wednesdays. I have to get up very early for work in the mornings. I guess I need to invest in a HD DVR.

Originally posted by drkashner
ABC's Fall schedule is out. Lost moves to 9:00 PM on Wednesdays. I have to get up very early for work in the mornings. I guess I need to invest in a HD DVR.

That would put them right up against American Idol. Interesting since on a season-to-date basis, Lost ranks # 16 and AI ranks # 2.

I'm anxious to see how the season finale showdown will turn out. Based on Nielson numbers alone Lost will lose out (pun intended;) ).

Not that I care since I have a HD DVR. It has totally chnaged my viewing habits and I can't live without one now. Run - don't walk - and get yourself one.

Originally posted by trbarry
They will open the hatch and an alien zoo keeper will come out, feed them, give them shots (and enemas), and then leave, closing and locking the hatch again.

A mysterious sign will appear saying (with incomprehensible text) "please do not feed the humans".

Unless of course that is already what 4 8 15 16 23 42 means in space alien talk.

- Tom

They pass through the hatch and enter a magical kingdom where a regal lion aides them in defeating an evil witch who has made winter eternal.

Or not.

Originally posted by Dynot
That would put them right up against American Idol. Interesting since on a season-to-date basis, Lost ranks # 16 and AI ranks # 2.


Not sure if those ratings account for it or not, but Lost had repeat episodes while AI did not. I'd like to see how new-episodes-only of Lost compare in that rating.

We will see how they compare shortly. I believe the American Idol finale goes heads up against the Lost finale. American Idol is starting to look like it can be beaten after the Paula Abdul scandal tarnishes the luster a bit. Lost seems to be picking up steam, too.

As for the finale, in AI there is only one question to answer - who will win. In Lost, there are numerous questions to answer. Unfortunately, whatever gets answered will be replaced by twice as many questions.

Here's my dumb idea of busting open that hatch -- build a bonfire around it. Heat it up and see how much heat it can take. The fins around it oddly look like the fins on a radiator or a giant heatsink so maybe that will get someone's attention.

Originally posted by etcarroll
They pass through the hatch and enter a magical kingdom where a regal lion aides them in defeating an evil witch who has made winter eternal.

Or not.

And, as usual, Sawyer makes an aslan of himself.

Originally posted by petergaryr
And, as usual, Sawyer makes an aslan of himself.

doh! <accompanied by the sound of one slapping oneself on the forehead>

So far, life on the island has been twoards the positive side. There is no shortage of food or water and almost everyone is still alive. the hatch represents Pandora's Box, and all things evil come from opening that hatch. "THe Others" is whatever lives inside that hatch. Now that more people know about it, and their curiosity is hightened, it is only time that kees them from opening it. Once they do, the evil from inside is introduced to the island
Just a thought

Originally posted by pigatc
So far, life on the island has been twoards the positive side. There is no shortage of food or water and almost everyone is still alive. the hatch represents Pandora's Box, and all things evil come from opening that hatch. "THe Others" is whatever lives inside that hatch. Now that more people know about it, and their curiosity is hightened, it is only time that kees them from opening it. Once they do, the evil from inside is introduced to the island
Just a thought

Not sure I can agree with you there....

1) Pilot killed by monster
2) Marshal dies horrible death
3) Pregnant woman is kidnapped, Charlie nearly killed
4) Sayid was captured and tortured
5) Ethan kills one of the survivors
6) Charlie murders Ethan
7) Boone is killed
8) 1st Raft is burned
9) 1st beach campsite is washed away by monster surf

10) Forgot the girl who drowned :-)

And they've only been on the island for about a month, right? That's a crappy negative month in anyone's book. :-)

They live in constant fear of the monster, the Others, crazy Rousseau, etc. Not what I would call a 'positive' experience.

Can things get worse? Sure. Let's hope so, it will make fun viewing :-)

Voice activated hatch:

"Open Sesame"

Paul

Originally posted by Iteki
Not sure I can agree with you there....

1) Pilot killed by monster
2) Marshal dies horrible death
3) Pregnant woman is kidnapped, Charlie nearly killed
4) Sayid was captured and tortured
5) Ethan kills one of the survivors
6) Charlie murders Ethan
7) Boone is killed
8) 1st Raft is burned
9) 1st beach campsite is washed away by monster surf

10) Forgot the girl who drowned :-)

And they've only been on the island for about a month, right? That's a crappy negative month in anyone's book. :-)

They live in constant fear of the monster, the Others, crazy Rousseau, etc. Not what I would call a 'positive' experience.

Can things get worse? Sure. Let's hope so, it will make fun viewing :-) Open hatch... exodus survivors... enter: the "Enforcer!" :D

Doesn't it seem like we've been watching/talking about this show all season... but when it comes right down to it... not much happened?

Is tonight's show a new one? Is it the season ending episode?

Thanks

No, next week is the 2 hour finale

Originally posted by 4HiMarks
I think CP is right about the hatch. We won't find out what's inside until next season.

The fate of the raft is probably going to be another cliffhanger, but I can predict what is going to happen there. There's no way they would permanently remove a character as interesting as Sawyer, especially if he and Kate are going to hook up eventually. So the science teacher's prediction is going to come true - they'll leave, be at sea for a couple of days, and then the wind will shift and drive them right back again. Their return will be part of the two hour season premiere.

-Chris

Maybe they'll even wash up on another part of the island...forcing at least a small group to explore a bit more.

Originally posted by steverobertson
Is tonight's show a new one? Is it the season ending episode?

Thanks

YES it is a new one Exodus: Part 1.

The season finale is next week, two hours, Exodus: Part 2 & 3.

Then we wait... I guess until the DVD comes out. :)

ok- not sure if this is news or not (i did a search here and didn't find anything) but i was at disney world in florida, just got back yesterday and guess who was staying in the Animal Kingdom Lodge?? Evangeline and Dominic!

funny thing is that my wife and I were snacking in the Kilmanjaro Club at the Lodge when i saw him from the side- i said to my wife, 'look at that guy... he looks just like charlie on Lost!' and that was that. about 10 minutes later my wife goes back up to get so more food and come back with this grin on her face and says ' THAT is the guy from Lost'! i thought she was pulling my leg so i go back up and say 'you know, i told my wife you look like that guy on Lost, but didn't realize you actually are the guy from Lost'. he kinda laughed (annoying fans, i guess). then i look over and who is next to him but evangeline--well i almost lost it then! a natural beauty. i chatted with her a bit- she was very friendly. i told her how much we enjoyed the show and she told me they just signed on for next season.
then later that nite i went back to the club to get a drink and she came out of her room to do likewise and i joked 'must be a commercial break' as it was wednesday nite.

i was wondering if this is a scoop? the two of them- if i were nasty i would have snuck a picture of them going back into the room together for The Enquirer! also, saw them the next AM on the Kilamanjaro Safari ride!

It is known that they have been dating...those lucky hobbits, it must be the feet!

They both seem real nice. They didn't give you the quit bugging me look so that is cool. A few hours away from what I hope is a great episode.

Originally posted by eddieras
...i told her how much we enjoyed the show and she told me they just signed on for next season.


Well, I guess that confirms that neither Charlie nor Kate will be the rumored next castaway to get kilt! ;)

he was very polite, but didn't really seem interested in a conversation- tho that could perhaps be shyness- i don't want to assume it was anything else. she, on the otherhand was extremely nice (canadian, eh?) looked me right in the eye when we spoke (which he didn't) and we had a real exchange. she also wanted to know if i was going to watch the show that nite. she laughed when i told her i'll watch the show if she'd be willing to watch my kids for me.

Originally posted by eddieras
he was very polite, but didn't really seem interested in a conversation- tho that could perhaps be shyness- i don't want to assume it was anything else. she, on the otherhand was extremely nice (canadian, eh?) looked me right in the eye when we spoke (which he didn't) and we had a real exchange. she also wanted to know if i was going to watch the show that nite. she laughed when i told her i'll watch the show if she'd be willing to watch my kids for me.

Because of LOTR, he's presently more famous than she. Don't worry, that friendly accessibility will soon be a thing of the past as she cultivates that "polite, but go away now" look that Dominic already has down pat. :p

Originally posted by archiguy Don't worry, that friendly accessibility will soon be a thing of the past as she cultivates that "polite, but go away now" look that Dominic already has down pat. :p

hah! that's perfect - unfortunately you are probably right as i mentioned to my wife that she's a newbie and probably still relishes the attention!!
still very nice to talk to, tho!!

funny thing is, later after the show that nite they departed the room together and then about 20 minutes later he came back -- alone-- and yes i was drinking at the club the entire time!

funny, never would of thought he would be her type.

me on the other hand...;)

So the hatch leads to Disney World? ABC show, figures.

Paul

Originally posted by sayanythingrock
me on the other hand...;) You think he's your type? :D

Originally posted by htevolution (quoting me first)
Maybe they'll even wash up on another part of the island...forcing at least a small group to explore a bit more.

Oh, certainly. How much of that island have they actually explored? There could be a huge city on the south shore. Oh wait, I think it's called Honolulu...

-Chris

do you think Rousseau could be more specific than the "others"??

And how about a follow up question from one of the castaways like, "who da hell is The Others"?".

Anybody for a little "Bad Day At Black Rock"?

Paul

At least they are resolving questions that we all brought up. Sawer meeting Jacks dad, the 5 guns, "black rock" ships name, what that "monster" is.
Thay have been keeping up on the forum I guess.

Exodus could also be the group that went into the forest??

Excellent show tonight. I like how they did a short backstory on a bunch of characters tonight. I can't wait for the finale next week.

Best episode so far, imo.

I agree, excellent show; and I also liked the short backstories better than the usual format. Looks like next week will be quite interesting.

I was wondering the purpose of some of the new airport characters, like the lady talking to Jack, or the couple making comments about the Korean girl. I wonder if that means that we will be seeing some of the other half of the plane's people, or some other reason?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Enigma
I was wondering the purpose of some of the new airport characters, like the lady talking to Jack, or the couple making comments about the Korean girl. I wonder if that means that we will be seeing some of the other half of the plane's people, or some other reason? [/QUOTE

We know the girl talking to Jack was in the back of the plane. I'm sure we will see them as the tail of the plane survivors. Maybe next season? Maybe in the final 2 hour show??

Anybody have this week and last week's eps on VHS? Be glad to pay for the tape and shipping. Please pm me. Working too many hours here!

Noah's Ark?.....Polar bears 2X2?

I remember now why this show is so good. Great episode!

Originally posted by tobwco
do you think Rousseau could be more specific than the "others"??

If somebody tells me that "one was infected and another lost his arm" - the first thing out of my mouth is " Infected with what?" & "How did he lose his arm"?

For anyone keeping track of the magical numbers theme, note that Jack was in row 23 and that chick in the airport bar was in 42. Hmm.

So, who else thinks the science teacher gets blown up! Man, it's going to be a long 7 days.;)

Was Charlie punching Sayid? That must involve Claire, what else would give Charlie that kind of false bravado?

Originally posted by Enigma
I agree, excellent show; and I also liked the short backstories better than the usual format. Looks like next week will be quite interesting.

I was wondering the purpose of some of the new airport characters, like the lady talking to Jack, or the couple making comments about the Korean girl. I wonder if that means that we will be seeing some of the other half of the plane's people, or some other reason?

That's exactly what I was thinking. Looked to me like they were setting it up so we would recognize some of the tail-section survivors when they showed up.

"I want to go to a place called Adobe Flat. Are there any cabs available?"

"I was looking for a man named Komoko."

Paul

That "security system" sounded mechanical, especially the footsteps.

But "security system" could be a misdirection to make you think it's man-made or mechanical as opposed to some creature.

since when are there wheels at the back of the plane?

Originally posted by eddieras
then i look over and who is next to him but evangeline--well i almost lost it then! a natural beauty.
Okay, you are so awed by Charlie that you were next to Evangeline how long before you noticed her? Maybe it's time for a check up!

since when are there wheels at the back of the plane?
She must have meant the "Spare Landing Gear Stowage Locker"...

OTOH, she was just a girl in a bar, not a Boeing aeronautical engineer. (Not that girls in bars can't be smart, or that Boeing employees don't go to bars... :) )

--Dan

So the island has a security system. I wonder if the perimeter of the island has a similar security system to either keep something there or prevent the rest of the world from getting in. Judging by the preview of next week, I would say the raft is in for some trouble.

Originally posted by nhlfan79
For anyone keeping track of the magical numbers theme, note that Jack was in row 23 and that chick in the airport bar was in 42. Hmm.

And Walt woke up Michael in the hotel at 5:23! 23.

If you are a Raleigh, NC area fan and have a season pass to record from OTA channel 11.1 on your DirecTV HR10-250, be sure to check that next week's 2 hour season finale is set to record.

As of tonight, next week's 2 hour season finale (Wednesday, May 25 from 8-10 P.M.) is not in the guide and not in your "to-do" list. The time slot is currently listed as "To Be Announced".

If your season pass is for the ABCE channel you'll be fine- it's right there where it belongs.

Originally posted by danco
She must have meant the "Spare Landing Gear Stowage Locker"...

OTOH, she was just a girl in a bar, not a Boeing aeronautical engineer. (Not that girls in bars can't be smart, or that Boeing employees don't go to bars... :) )

--Dan

That wasn't just a girl in a bar, that was none other than Michelle Rodriguez, of Fast and Furious, S.W.A.T., Girlfight and Resident Evil fame. She's one of my favorites and I bet she turns up later in the show with another group of survivors on the island.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/fast_and_furious_05_1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/mr1.jpg

Originally posted by wco81
That "security system" sounded mechanical, especially the footsteps.

But "security system" could be a misdirection to make you think it's man-made or mechanical as opposed to some creature.

Hey, didn't Locke encounter the "monster" in the jungle by himself once? I think he just looked up at it and then they faded to black? That is why he didn't run and was so cool and calm w/ Hurley next to him.

I bet he has a connection w/ the thing or "understands" it's purpose w/ the island.

Originally posted by tobwco
I bet he has a connection w/ the thing or "understands" it's purpose w/ the island.

Or the thing can't see you if you're not moving (ala Jurassic Park). In Locke's first encounter, he was standing still with his hands out to his side.

Girl that hit on Jack, was sitting in tail section

Back in the beginning wasn't the husband of the black woman who was next to Jack in the plane in the bathroom in the tail section? Remember how she said 'I KNOW my husband is still alive'

Possibly the snooty couple that was talking about Sun and Jin were also in the tail section?

Then the re-dubbed scene of Boone on the radio, 'No, WE ARE the survivors of flight 815'

Seems like it is building to meet the other group of survivors. Question is, do we see them in the finale, or not until next year?

Originally posted by keenan
That wasn't just a girl in a bar, that was none other than Michelle Rodriguez, of Fast and Furious, S.W.A.T., Girlfight and Resident Evil fame. She's one of my favorites and I bet she turns up later in the show with another group of survivors on the island.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/fast_and_furious_05_1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/mr1.jpg Oh man... Extreme competition for 'Kate....' Who will 'Jack' choose? But since Kate seems to prefer Sawyer.... I believe the choice has already been made...

I agree she "must" be included with next season's cast... otherwise, it makes no sense to feature her in Jack's back-story last night.

If we get lucky maybe she will go after Kate !!!

How is Art going to figure in all of this? He's been integrated into the storyline rather suddenly.

Paul

Seems like it is building to meet the other group of survivors. Question is, do we see them in the finale, or not until next year?

My prediction is that we'll see them in the last scene of the last show of this season. There's your cliffhanger!

does anyone on the boat have a compass, so they know which direction their heading ?

from the previews, they get a blip on their radar that they find something. I'll bet that's the writers playing tricks with again, and that next season there will be two stories - the guys on the raft trying to find either a ship, or civilization; and the other story of those back on the island.

As for Michelle Rodriguez, a name actor like her, I doubt she would appear on the show for just a bit part, maybe it's a foreshadow of next week or next season, same with the school (Dr) teacher.

The "black rock" at the end sure looked like a pirate ship, it Capt Jack Sparrow going to appear out of nowhere and whisk them away - must be the story of Pirates of the Carribean 2.

Whatever happened with the hatch? I missed some of the beginning of the show, but it didn't seem to get much exposure except Hurley finding it

Also find it funny how the bitchy sister tried to get Sayid arrested in the Airport, yet falls for him on the island.

Anyone else think that the island's been "pulling in" various craft for quite a while? I need to go back and check the Replay, but the Black Rock (ship) seemed rather old to me...more like a pirate ship than a modern research vessel.

Now we've got multiple airplanes AND ships that have met their fates on the island.

Originally posted by NorthJersey

Whatever happened with the hatch? I missed some of the beginning of the show, but it didn't seem to get much exposure except Hurley finding it

Nothing yet ... and hurley didn't see the numbers like I thought he would ... but he will ... man he's gonna freak out!

Originally posted by NorthJersey

Also find it funny how the bitchy sister tried to get Sayid arrested in the Airport, yet falls for him on the island.

she has her's coming.

Ok - so Minneapolis had some severe weather warnings last night, which led to the first 15-20 minutes of the show not being in HD (as the weather warnings were shown along with the show). My problem is that when the local ABC station switched back to HD, we lost audio for a couple of minutes. This happened when the marshall was harassing Kate - so we missed everything that they were talking about!!! Anyone able to recap?

Thanks...

Originally posted by steverobertson
If we get lucky maybe she will go after Kate !!! :)

She's definitely a candidate to team up with the "Enforcer!"

I'm thinking that the island has a weird magnetic field, sort of like a Bermuda Triangle. Remember when Locke gave away his compass because ti didn't work on the island?

Originally posted by bohbot16
I'm thinking that the island has a weird magnetic field, sort of like a Bermuda Triangle. Remember when Locke gave away his compass because ti didn't work on the island?

Large quantities of iron will wreak havoc with compasses. I believe that we will discover that there is an abundance of iron on/in the island.

Originally posted by steverobertson
If we get lucky maybe she will go after Kate !!!

lol! w00t

You have to be a real jackass to make those comments to Sun and Jin in the airport - and you have to be an idiot to just assume that someone speaking a foreign language doesn't speak English.

Please let them be in the tail of the plane - we need some victims available that make us cheer at their demise, not always try to jerk a tear out of us.

Originally posted by Paul Bigelow
How is Art going to figure in all of this? He's been integrated into the storyline rather suddenly.

Paul

You mean Arzt right? He gets mad when you get his name wrong...ask Hurley.


I just hope that "security system" is not the big spider contraption Dr. Loveless used in the crappy remake of Wild Wild West

I'm gonna call him Leslie, just to tick him off. ;)

Originally posted by NorthJersey
does anyone on the boat have a compass, so they know which direction their heading ?

from the previews, they get a blip on their radar that they find something. I'll bet that's the writers playing tricks with again, and that next season there will be two stories - the guys on the raft trying to find either a ship, or civilization; and the other story of those back on the island.

My initial reaction to seeing the blip on the rafts radar screen is that it will be the island,(or more specifically the "hatch", because as jack pointed out, they didnt find an opening, so there must be an entrance somewhere else, it could be HUGE) and they end up back where they started-be it on the opposite side or exactly where they started. Assuming they all survive of course.

Originally posted by CPanther95
You have to be a real jackass to make those comments to Sun and Jin in the airport - and you have to be an idiot to just assume that someone speaking a foreign language doesn't speak English.

Please let them be in the tail of the plane - we need some victims available that make us cheer at their demise, not always try to jerk a tear out of us. One year my wife & I stayed at the "Grand Floridian" at Walt Disney World. During our stay a woman observed us standing outside the Hotel's gift shop and commented to her husband... "Oh those 'All Star Sports' people..." Believe me the WAF was ticked!!!:mad:

10 years later and we have incorporated the expression into our remembrance respository...:p

Originally posted by CPanther95
You have to be a real jackass to make those comments to Sun and Jin in the airport - and you have to be an idiot to just assume that someone speaking a foreign language doesn't speak English.

Please let them be in the tail of the plane - we need some victims available that make us cheer at their demise, not always try to jerk a tear out of us. I wondered aloud to my wife if that wasn't the couple under the water when they found the Halliburton case <evil grin>
Originally posted by Crazy MB
My initial reaction to seeing the blip on the rafts radar screen is that it will be the island,(or more specifically the "hatch", because as jack pointed out, they didnt find an opening, so there must be an entrance somewhere else, it could be HUGE) and they end up back where they started-be it on the opposite side or exactly where they started. Assuming they all survive of course. Not that they have to be accurate, but islands show up as a squiggly line or blotches (http://www.nps.gov/olym/hand/murrelet/radar.jpg) on RADAR. It could possibly be a very tall tower on the island, if the island itself is over the horizon and can't be seen. But a blip like that (well, it was VERY fake) is almost certainly a vessel.

Xesdeeni

Could the location of the island be directly under the location of the Burmuda triangle? That is, the Burmuda triangle sucks them in and deposits them on the other side of the globe?

The island then protects its "trophies"?

Paul

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
Not that they have to be accurate, but islands show up as a squiggly line or blotches (http://www.nps.gov/olym/hand/murrelet/radar.jpg) on RADAR. It could possibly be a very tall tower on the island, if the island itself is over the horizon and can't be seen. But a blip like that (well, it was VERY fake) is almost certainly a vessel.

Xesdeeni

I was really thinking more along the lines that it is the giant metal hatch thing, or more specifically whatever the hatch is connected to. (and it just happens that the island is on top of the metal hatch).
Granted i don't know jack about radar.

I had hopes the 3 part season ender would be like this. When they started right out with the Rousseau "warning" I knew it was going to be good :). It looks like they spent more time and effort (and $) with it to wrap up the season with a bang. So far it's started out just like the 2 part premiere. Lots of great location shots etc. really give it the sweeping, movie-like feel. Some plot movement and a few answers filled in too! It's been easy to assume the producers/writers have just been winging it and making it up as they go along, but with the complex interweaving of the characters stories they had to have pretty good outline to begin with. Given that, and the short amount of time they had to put it all together in the beginning I think they have done a great job really. It's going to be interesting to see how it evolves next season when they will have had all kinds of time to plot their deviousness on us ;).

ron

Originally posted by CPanther95
I'm gonna call him Leslie, just to tick him off. ;) You make wonder if the name thing could be an homage to Leslie "Don't Call Me Shirley" Nielsen of Airplane! (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080339/)

YMMV

Originally posted by seldenpat
Large quantities of iron will wreak havoc with compasses. I believe that we will discover that there is an abundance of iron on/in the island. So could enormous artificial magnetic fields. Doesn't that hatch kind of look like a transformer?

So Lostzilla is just a big mechanical guard dog? If it's supposed to be clearing the island of humans, it's not doing a very good job.

Another point to ponder, how did the "Black Rock" get so far inland? It didn't look like they were right next to a beach.

This show is like it's ripped right from The Dark Tower. This "Lostzilla" reminds me Shardik the giant mechanical bear in that book series.

When your audio went out during the Kate/Marshall scene, he's explaining to the Australian security guard at the airport why he has to have 5 guns with him, and he starts telling the guy about how Kate was running from the police and got her childhood sweetheart killed, and about how she conned another guy into robbing a bank to get to the safety deposit box and only took the little airplane, and he basically kept badgering her and taunting her with the plane, and she finally snapped and almost had her handcuffs around his neck up against the bars. He got out of it and knocked her down, looked at the guard and said "now THAT's why I need 5 guns"

I agree that this episode was the best so far in terms of scenery, especially the sweeping vista shots as the "black rock" team set out on their adventure, climbing over those rocks along the shore.

One question though, didn't it seem strange to you, when they launched the boat, that as they were heading out and there was a shot from the water looking back across the boat towards all the people on the shore that the boat was not heading away from land, but more just parallel to the beach? It just seemed weird because it looked so obvious that the boat had suddenly changed directions.

The boat changed directions when they put the sail up.

There were alot of inconsistencies with the launching of the raft. I also noticed the parallel to shore scene. I also thought that the raft was really booking out into the surf, with just the little push the people on shore gave. They didn't even have the sail up.

I'm not a sailor, but I thought it was strange the way the sail moved when they did put it up.

Originally posted by PJO1966
The boat changed directions when they put the sail up.

The scene he is talking about (the boat travelling parallel to the shore) was before they showed them putting the sail up.

I want to know how Locke knew that he and Hurley were safe from Lostzilla. He sort of closed his eyes and it seems like he was having an internal conversation and he knew they would be OK. Probably won't be answered this season, but I really want to know what that connection is that Locke has with the island.

Originally posted by silverstar
Another point to ponder, how did the "Black Rock" get so far inland? It didn't look like they were right next to a beach.

That's what makes the Black Rock even more mysterious to those who happen upon it.

Also, does anyone else think that "the others" may be survivors (living or otherwise undead) of the Black Rock?

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
I agree that this episode was the best so far in terms of scenery, especially the sweeping vista shots as the "black rock" team set out on their adventure, climbing over those rocks along the shore. A lot of this was damn near Discovery-HD quality scenery. I'm sure someone was glad to use the big 14mm wide angle lens again (when Sawyer was chopping bamboo).

I was glad for HD when Sawyer was chopping wood too... Probably for different reasons, though...

Originally posted by jackshakes
Nothing yet ... and hurley didn't see the numbers like I thought he would ... but he will ... man he's gonna freak out!

I was wondering if he wrote down "Don't use the #'s ......" in the note he put in the bottle.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
When your audio went out during the Kate/Marshall scene, he's explaining to the Australian security guard at the airport why he has to have 5 guns with him, and he starts telling the guy about how Kate was running from the police and got her childhood sweetheart killed, and about how she conned another guy into robbing a bank to get to the safety deposit box and only took the little airplane, and he basically kept badgering her and taunting her with the plane, and she finally snapped and almost had her handcuffs around his neck up against the bars. He got out of it and knocked her down, looked at the guard and said "now THAT's why I need 5 guns"

Also he mentioned how the plane got in the box. the Marshall put it in the safe deposit box ... and he said that Kate was calling him at home to taunt him, and she found out he put the plane in a box. Then somehow she found out which bank and which box number and you know the story from there.

I'm still wondering how she got the key.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
One question though, didn't it seem strange to you, when they launched the boat, that as they were heading out and there was a shot from the water looking back across the boat towards all the people on the shore that the boat was not heading away from land, but more just parallel to the beach? It just seemed weird because it looked so obvious that the boat had suddenly changed directions.

Yeah I noticed that too. I Chaulked it up to creating a more dramatic goodbye scene. But it did seem a little too obvious.

Maybe they're on the south side of the island ... and they're sailing parallel to shore to get around the island and head north. That makes sense considering Leslie was pointing inland last episode when he was talking about the winds blowing north.

But Sawyer had the sail on the side facing the ocean, which would suggest the winds were blowing south ... so hmmm ....

Originally posted by mx6bfast
I was wondering if he wrote down "Don't use the #'s ......" in the note he put in the bottle.

I thought Hurley's note was going to be to his accountant, paying Walt the money he owes him for backgammon...

Originally posted by PJO1966
I thought Hurley's note was going to be to his accountant, paying Walk the money he owes him for backgammon...

hilarious :D

Originally posted by scowl
A lot of this was damn near Discovery-HD quality scenery.

Man, I wish my ABC local broadcast in HD. I have Discovery HD, so I know what I'm missing. Hopefully I'll get to see season 3 in HD.

Originally posted by NorthJersey


As for Michelle Rodriguez, a name actor like her, I doubt she would appear on the show for just a bit part, maybe it's a foreshadow of next week or next season, same with the school (Dr) teacher.



I agree. I hope we're right..:p

Originally posted by htevolution
Anyone else think that the island's been "pulling in" various craft for quite a while? I need to go back and check the Replay, but the Black Rock (ship) seemed rather old to me...more like a pirate ship than a modern research vessel.

Now we've got multiple airplanes AND ships that have met their fates on the island.

That ship was definitely a 19th century schooner. Fletcher Christian and crew are probably the "others"..:D

Originally posted by PJO1966
I was glad for HD when Sawyer was chopping wood too... Probably for different reasons, though... Please tell me we don't share the same gender.;)

Originally posted by Mntneer
This show is like it's ripped right from The Dark Tower. This "Lostzilla" reminds me Shardik the giant mechanical bear in that book series.

My exact reaction when they encountered it last night and Danielle said it was a security system to protect the island.

Work with me for a minute here, I have a theory-

Jack and Rose were sitting in row 23. The latin chick was in row 42. We know Kate and the Marshal were sitting with one another. My theory is the survivors were all sitting in the rows with the magic numbers- 4,8,15,16,23 and 42. That's six rows, on a big airliner like that it could be 10 seats per row in a 3-4-3 configuration. That's 50 people initially from the front of the plane and another 10 in the rear. Just a thought.

Which row would Charlie be in, since he was in the bathroom?

Originally posted by wco81
Which row would Charlie be in, since he was in the bathroom?

As was Rose's husband, right? At least SHE says he's still alive.

Originally posted by wco81
Which row would Charlie be in, since he was in the bathroom?

Why did you have to go and do that?? I kinda liked that theory.

Originally posted by wco81
Which row would Charlie be in, since he was in the bathroom?

Well, that theory lasted about 2 minutes...:)

Originally posted by htevolution
As was Rose's husband, right? At least SHE says he's still alive.

I thought Rose said her husband was sitting in the back of the plane, but it's been so long since that episode I can't remember if that's true or if he was in the bathroom in the back.

Originally posted by optivity
Please tell me we don't share the same gender.;)

You forgot the disclaimer, NTTAWWT...

Originally posted by auburn97
Well, that theory lasted about 2 minutes...:) Not necessarily, perhaps the "numbers" gods were only concerned with seat assignments :D.

ron

Originally posted by PJO1966
You forgot the disclaimer, NTTAWWT... OK. Now you're just showing off!!!:D

I'm a BIG fan of "Seinfeld" & "Curb Your Enthusiasm."Originally posted by auburn97
Work with me for a minute here, I have a theory-

Jack and Rose were sitting in row 23. The latin chick was in row 42. We know Kate and the Marshal were sitting with one another. My theory is the survivors were all sitting in the rows with the magic numbers- 4,8,15,16,23 and 42. That's six rows, on a big airliner like that it could be 10 seats per row in a 3-4-3 configuration. That's 50 people initially from the front of the plane and another 10 in the rear. Just a thought.I really like this theory... I wonder what seat Charlie was sitting in before he got up to go run & hide in the bathroom?

Perhaps some of the people in the tail-section of the plane did survive, being unfortunate enough to be held captive by the others... we'll find out soon enough...

Charlie was not in the lavatory when the plane broke up, he makes a mad dash down the aisle and gets in a seat (in the mid section) just before the breakup. The Lav he was in was the first class forward one by the cockpit.

Row 4 would be first class right? But they found the front of the plane and the only survivor was the copilot.

Ah... so "auburn97's" theory may still hold... As I recall, all the survivors were first seen on the Island, outside of the plane regardless of what section they were seated.

Maybe "auburn97" really works on the Lost production and he/she is sharing this tidbit with us....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/mr1.jpg

From what I saw last night, someone must have taught Michelle Rodriguez how a belt works. Damn whoever did that! :(

Originally posted by mx6bfast
I was wondering if he wrote down "Don't use the #'s ......" in the note he put in the bottle.

the note said, "I found Kate's panties and found a way to wear them... mmm they feel soooo goood"

Originally posted by Innova
There were alot of inconsistencies with the launching of the raft. I also noticed the parallel to shore scene. I also thought that the raft was really booking out into the surf, with just the little push the people on shore gave. They didn't even have the sail up.

I'm not a sailor, but I thought it was strange the way the sail moved when they did put it up.

I'm an old sailor and have some observations:

The sail was never really shown "drawing" (filled with air and creating drive) properly. At first it was "luffing" (flapping ineffectively in the breeze) then it was "aback" (filled with air from the wrong side relative to motion).

The design of the raft IMHO is not bad for limited tools and resources. It's got two pontoons like a catamaran, so it will have lateral resistance without a keel, and the rudder could actually work as shown. The sail is like a "square" rig, which can theoretically only sail downwind, but as it seems designed to pivot over 180 degrees around the mast, it might be able to sail upwind, to maybe within 50-60 degrees of wind direction.

My guess is that for production purposes, the raft actually has a small engine hidden between the floats (thought I saw a small prop wake in one scene). That would enable it to move as shown and would cause the sail to luff.

But ultimately I don't care about these small technical flaws; it was effective drama and well played.

Did they name the raft? It's an old maritime custom to name and christen any seagoing vessel...

Mike

Originally posted by dlipetz
That's what makes the Black Rock even more mysterious to those who happen upon it.

Also, does anyone else think that "the others" may be survivors (living or otherwise undead) of the Black Rock?

Just what I was thinking. Since the ship looks so old, the "others" are probably the descendants of a band of pirates who, when they finally find a woman...never mind...let's keep it PG. :D

so why do you think jack isn't married "anymore"? after that whole episode devoted to his "commitment," i don't think it's likely that he would divorce his wife. he seems more like the type to be willing to suffer through a loveless marriage. of course, i suppose it's possible that his wife left HIM for another man/woman. that would provide the writers with an explanation for why he's gay (nttawwt). c'mon, ne1 who doesn't check kate out while she's bending over but goes out of his way to say goodbye to a shirtless sawyer chopping wood? you do the math. ;-)

Jack is Gay???? I missed that

Originally posted by steverobertson
Jack is Gay???? I missed that

so far it's just a theory.

go back a few thousand posts to the discussion of the episode where kate thinks jack is checking her out while she's bending over. someone brought it up then.

Jack ended up saying goodbye to Sawyer (which Sawyer brought up), but Jack's intention (or so it seemed) was to give Sawyer a pistol for the journey.

Paul

I wish Kate would bend over for me i would deffinetly be caught checking her out.

Originally posted by scowl
From what I saw last night, someone must have taught Michelle Rodriguez how a belt works. Damn whoever did that! :( Right... this is a better example that shows her properly attired :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/fast_and_furious_05_1.jpg

I wonder what the deal is with the scratches on Rousseau's arm?
As I recall Ethan had similar scratches on his arm when Claire escaped and he came after her. Rousseau was eying the baby, and the scenes form next week have Claire crying "She took my baby" could be Claire and Rousseau have met before.

Locke didn't believe her explanation as the where they came from. I wonder if he noticed they were the same as Ethan's.

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Locke didn't believe her explanation as the where they came from. I wonder if he noticed they were the same as Ethan's.
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IIRC, Locke's response was something along "Yeah, a ferocious one," which seems to imply (at least to me) that Locke thinks it's actually from an animal of some sorts.

Hong.

Originally posted by kpoon
so why do you think jack isn't married "anymore"? after that whole episode devoted to his "commitment," i don't think it's likely that he would divorce his wife. he seems more like the type to be willing to suffer through a loveless marriage. of course, i suppose it's possible that his wife left HIM for another man/woman. that would provide the writers with an explanation for why he's gay (nttawwt). c'mon, ne1 who doesn't check kate out while she's bending over but goes out of his way to say goodbye to a shirtless sawyer chopping wood? you do the math. ;-)

After Sawyer told Jack about his father, I told my partner that the real reason Jack was crying was because Sawyer put his shirt back on... It all fits now.


:D

Looking up Black Rock:


http://www.archives.gov/research_room/genealogy/immigrant_arrivals/passenger_records.html
Passenger Ship “Black Rock” bringing emigrants to the US.

Part 5: Available 1800-1959 Immigration Records

Various NARA microfilm publications reproduce passenger arrival records from the ports listed below. This section was last updated April 11, 2005.

Black Rock, New York, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954

Another:

http://library.uwsuper.edu/special/marine/boatlist/bi2bz.html
2 ships here:
BLACK ROCK ( 1897 )
BLACK ROCK ( 1943 )

I'm beginning to like the Bermuda Triangle angle. Is there a similar place off the coast of Africa or Atlantis maybe.

Originally posted by Satori84
Did they name the raft? It's an old maritime custom to name and christen any seagoing vessel...

Mike I didn't see it but you just know they had to have named it "White Rock", don't you think?

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A friend of mine suggested that the whole island is some kind of purgatory, and people will only die off when they have come to "grips" with their skeletons. Has anyone mentioned this theory, and if so, has it been disproved?

Purgatory is one of the few theories specifically shot down by the creators of LOST.

sorry if this is seen as a 'spoiler' but it's on ABC's site.

My wife noticed paragraph 15 of the Episode Guide for last night's episode wasn't actually in the show:

"Back at the beach, Claire asks Rousseau how she knows her. She can't place it, but she knows they have met before. But that's impossible, and Rousseau says as much. Claire tells her about Ethan kidnapping her, that she escaped, but she can't remember how. Rousseau ignores her and busies herself with the new hiking boots she has obviously liberated from the camp. Something seems to click inside Claire. "You saved me, didn't you? That's why I remember you, you saved me from him." Rousseau gives a quick look to Claire and then to the baby. "We have never met." And with that she walks away."


So are we crazy or was that not in the show? Sounds pretty significant to me!

and another deleted scene?

"We FLASHBACK to the Sydney airport and see Sayid considering that same necktie on a rack with many others. A woman is helping him decide. She asks him what he will be using it for. "I'm going to see a woman." Sayid asks her to pick it for him and she points him towards the yellow one. As she rings it up she asks the girl's name and Sayid can't help but smile when he tells her. "Nadia." And as he is lost in the emotion of finally seeing his love again, the airport police arrive and ask him if he left a bag unattended earlier. He tries to tell them that he asked someone (Shannon) to watch it for him, but they aren't hearing it and tell him he needs to come with them. "Of course I do.""

Originally posted by CPanther95
Purgatory is one of the few theories specifically shot down by the creators of LOST.

Really, is this written in any article that you've seen?

Maybe it's a Truman Show or Westworld type of reality.

Although after the last episode of Alias, I guess Abrams could come up with all kinds of fantastical stuff.

that artz dude is from the same mold as Ethan, he will take the baby in my opinion, and is part of the others.....

except he was on the manifest ... ethan wasn't

Originally posted by jackshakes
and another deleted scene?

"We FLASHBACK to the Sydney airport and see Sayid considering that same necktie on a rack with many others. A woman is helping him decide. She asks him what he will be using it for. "I'm going to see a woman." Sayid asks her to pick it for him and she points him towards the yellow one.

I think they used that yellow tie for securing the radar to the mast.

Originally posted by blackngold19
Really, is this written in any article that you've seen?

Abrams mentioned it in an interview on 20/20. See this post. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5602788#post5602788)

Originally posted by jackshakes
sorry if this is seen as a 'spoiler' but it's on ABC's site.

My wife noticed paragraph 15 of the Episode Guide for last night's episode wasn't actually in the show:

"Back at the beach, Claire asks Rousseau how she knows her. She can't place it, but she knows they have met before. But that's impossible, and Rousseau says as much. Claire tells her about Ethan kidnapping her, that she escaped, but she can't remember how. Rousseau ignores her and busies herself with the new hiking boots she has obviously liberated from the camp. Something seems to click inside Claire. "You saved me, didn't you? That's why I remember you, you saved me from him." Rousseau gives a quick look to Claire and then to the baby. "We have never met." And with that she walks away."


So are we crazy or was that not in the show? Sounds pretty significant to me!

This is extremely significant!!! I cannot believe they would not have shown this at the same time listing it at the website. I wondered where she got those new boots. They must be going to show this scene later....it's a crucial piece of information...

i loved the technical comments about the boat, especially the lack of "christening" it.... can you imagine sawyer there breaking one of his little airplane liquor bottles on the side of it? heehee

i also noticed a little wake behind the raft that looked like it was from a small engine...

Originally posted by blackngold19
A friend of mine suggested that the whole island is some kind of purgatory, and people will only die off when they have come to "grips" with their skeletons. Has anyone mentioned this theory, and if so, has it been disproved?

yes:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4431807#post4431807

& yes. abrams specifically stated that it wasn't purgatory on the 20/20 special.

Originally posted by keenan
That wasn't just a girl in a bar, that was none other than Michelle Rodriguez, of Fast and Furious, S.W.A.T., Girlfight and Resident Evil fame. She's one of my favorites and I bet she turns up later in the show with another group of survivors on the island.

I thought she looked familiar. I saw her on SWAT when it was on HBO a while ago.

As for the raft sailing (under engine power) parallel to the beach, when the sail did fill, the breeze was coming off the shore, and reaching across the wind will give you much better speed than sailing dead down wind.
However, nobody on the raft has spoken of sailing skills, have they? Yikes, help Mr. Wizard, I don't wanna be a sailor any more!

another wild theory to throw out there....

The movie Identity..anybody seen that? That seems to be "logical" enough

if you've seen the movie,
all the characters are multiple personalities of one person

There has been a lot of talk about additional survivors, such as ones from the tail section and Rose's (I think that's her name, but not sure-aka the Black Lady) husband.

When was the last time we saw her? I don't recall seeing her in quite a while, even as a background cast member. She wasn't even around during the castoff of the raft was she...or did I just miss her again?

Perhaps she has hiked to the other part of the island to find her husband that she claimed was still alive.

mollerup... in reality, she's working on a play... maybe they'll say that she hiked to another part of the island, but she's just not available to be on the show currently. She has prior engagements.

That wasn't just a girl in a bar, that was none other than Michelle Rodriguez, of Fast and Furious, S.W.A.T., Girlfight and Resident Evil fame.
Resident Evil . . . That's were I know her from . . .

Originally posted by mollerup
There has been a lot of talk about additional survivors, such as ones from the tail section and Rose's (I think that's her name, but not sure-aka the Black Lady) husband.

When was the last time we saw her? I don't recall seeing her in quite a while, even as a background cast member. She wasn't even around during the castoff of the raft was she...or did I just miss her again?

Perhaps she has hiked to the other part of the island to find her husband that she claimed was still alive.
There was mention of this sometime back in this thread. Someone posted that the actress had other obligations after the initial few episodes were filmed and that is why we have not seen her for a while. Maybe she will show up again next season.
On another note, I was re-watching some scenes from last night's show and noticed in the bar scene where Jack talks to the girl he is stirring his drink and the "ice" has sunk to the bottom of the glass. :confused: That ice must have been made with tritium for it to not float!! ;)

My wife noticed something in the first few seconds of the preview for next weeks episode. I put the Tivo in slo-mo and paused it at the "next Wednesday" frames. At first it just looked like a dark cloudy sky, but there is something with odd triangular shapes in those clouds and right behind the lettering. I thought it might be just part of the graphics, but it looked like some sort of angular plane similar to a stealth fighter.

Thats nothing... just one of ABC's title "effects" to add drama to those words... its the same thing for every episode's previews.

Originally posted by danco
Resident Evil . . . That's were I know her from . . . Blue Crush for me.... I hope Lost keeps her around.

Originally posted by labmansid

On another note, I was re-watching some scenes from last night's show and noticed in the bar scene where Jack talks to the girl he is stirring his drink and the "ice" has sunk to the bottom of the glass. :confused: That ice must have been made with tritium for it to not float!! ;)

I saw that too, and thought it was realy wierd. They had to of done that on purpose, but why? I thought it looked like glass instead of ice...

Maybe Matthew Fox has a "no extreme temperatures" clause in his contract.

Originally posted by Rakesh.S
another wild theory to throw out there....

The movie Identity..anybody seen that? That seems to be "logical" enough

if you've seen the movie,
all the characters are multiple personalities of one person

Search the thread... I and others proposed that same thing months ago ;)

Originally posted by mollerup
There has been a lot of talk about additional survivors, such as ones from the tail section and Rose's (I think that's her name, but not sure-aka the Black Lady) husband. We've seen there were survivors from the front and middle parts of the airplane, so there is reason to believe there could have been survivors from the tail section too. These individuals will most likely be the new characters (complete with back-stories) introduced during season 2 of Lost. I'll bet their experience on the Island to date has been radically different from what the main characters have been through so far... and will become the crux of next year's episodes... didn't Rousseau tell Sayid that some in her group had changed?

Okay, guys...the Claire/Rousseau "missing scene" is significant, but does anybody remember this scene as well?

From the ABC Episode Guide:

Charlie and Claire watch Rousseau from a distance and worry. Charlie does his best to comfort the girl he cares so much for, but it's an uphill battle. Claire tells Charlie that, when she escaped from Ethan -- however she got away -- she knew they would come back for her. Charlie realizes something. "Is that why you haven't named the baby?" Claire's eyes fill with tears, but remain firmly fixed on Rousseau. She nods her answer.

I don't remember it at all...

Don't forget that this week's show was hour one of a three-hour episode. It's likely these "missing" or "deleted" scenes will show up in next week's conclusion.

Originally posted by optivity
didn't Rousseau tell Sayid that some in her group had changed?

she did, and when you factor in the info that someone posted from the recap of Wednesday episode, the interaction between Rousseau and Claire, that wasn't shown, and either will be shown next week or in deleted scenes in the dvd box set, maybe Rousseau has "changed" also, but is good at hiding it. Maybe she'll wind up stealing the baby and taking it to wherever Ethan and the others had come from.

Yes I know E is dead, just lumping him in with the others

Originally posted by Innova
I saw that too, and thought it was realy wierd. They had to of done that on purpose, but why? I thought it looked like glass instead of ice...

This is quite common. They use glass instead of ice because ice will melt over the duration of a long shoot. If it takes 45 minutes to an hour to set up and shoot that scene at the bar and used real ice in the glass, they would have some shots with ice and some with a watered-down drink. It's a matter of consistency.

Originally posted by IrmoGamecoq
Okay, guys...the Claire/Rousseau "missing scene" is significant, but does anybody remember this scene as well?

From the ABC Episode Guide:



I don't remember it at all...

I don't remember that either ...

It's possible they could leave those scenes for next week ... but to me they no longer fit.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

To me it's just wierd that it's in the episode guide but not in the episode. You'd think they'd have enough lead time when they cut the scene to modify the episode guide.

No one is infallible... perhaps things just got a little out of sync between the episode and web site?

instead of ice, why not use those fake plastic ice cubes you can buy, with like the fake fly inside? :)

Originally posted by auburn97
This is quite common. They use glass instead of ice because ice will melt over the duration of a long shoot. If it takes 45 minutes to an hour to set up and shoot that scene at the bar and used real ice in the glass, they would have some shots with ice and some with a watered-down drink. It's a matter of consistency.

Yep..... beat me to it. Ice will melt during shooting. Not only do some shootings take hours, but the bright lights and working conditions can often make it very hot. Ice is not good to use on a set.

So, word up is that another regular buys the farm in the finale. Any thoughts? Hope it's not Locke, one of my faves along with Kate, Said and Sawyer. I'd love to see brat Shannon die horribly. Second choice would be Saint Jack.

Originally posted by philw1776
So, word up is that ...

Um... wouldn't that be considered a spoiler? Didn't know that... didn't want to know that.

Originally posted by philw1776
So, word up is that another regular buys the farm in the finale. Any thoughts? Hope it's not Locke, one of my faves along with Kate, Said and Sawyer. I'd love to see brat Shannon die horribly. Second choice would be Saint Jack.

The smart money's on Shannon to join her stepbrother/lover in post-Lost purgatory. She's up for a role in X-3 (which is common knowledge so it's not a spoiler; just gotta' do the math).

Kiss her, and her hot little bikini's, goodbye next Wednesday. :(

Originally posted by NorthJersey
she did, and when you factor in the info that someone posted from the recap of Wednesday episode, the interaction between Rousseau and Claire, that wasn't shown, and either will be shown next week or in deleted scenes in the dvd box set, maybe Rousseau has "changed" also, but is good at hiding it. Maybe she'll wind up stealing the baby and taking it to wherever Ethan and the others had come from.

Yes I know E is dead, just lumping him in with the others

so you're saying the Michelle Rodriguez led her group, on the other side of the island, to the beach resort they found. They're just chillin by the pool. Maybe in Season 4, Jack will lead his side over to the resort, and everyone will get to party

Originally posted by optivity
Ah... so "auburn97's" theory may still hold... As I recall, all the survivors were first seen on the Island, outside of the plane regardless of what section they were seated.

Maybe "auburn97" really works on the Lost production and he/she is sharing this tidbit with us....

And what about the pilot? He survived for a little while anyway. Also, I'll have to go back and look, but from what I remember in the pilot episode you can see Locke sitting a couple rows behind Jack. Jack is in row 23, the next number is 42, so I don't think this theory is valid.

"Shannon is gone I hope she's drifting out to sea
She always loved to swim away
Maybe she'll find an island with a shady tree
Just like the one in our backyard"

Lyric: Henry Gross

Paul

Originally posted by blackngold19
A friend of mine suggested that the whole island is some kind of purgatory, and people will only die off when they have come to "grips" with their skeletons. Has anyone mentioned this theory, and if so, has it been disproved?

Purgatory is for people who have already died and have to be cleaned before they enter heaven.

They have ruled out purgatory, but you are talking about something more zen than that. My rebuttal to that idea is that Locke has come to grips with his skeletons and is still alive.

well we don't know how locked ended up in a wheelchair yet, so there's more gripping to come.

I missed Wednesday's episode. So I need to know what's the best strategy. I see that Lost is on Sat night, but it's an old episode. Should I watch next week's conclusion, not having seen this week's episode? Should I wait for this week's episode to be shown again and then watch the repeat of next week's episode? I could record next week's episode, but not watch it just yet until I determine if this week's episode will be shown again in the near future. But I use the Dish 921 HD DVR, so it's a crap shoot if the show will even be successfully recorded or if it will not get destroyed by one of the many 921 bugs before this week's episode is shown again.

I have been distraught over having missed this week's episode and trying to decide how to handle this nightmare.

I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this, but over on Amazon, the Lost DVD set is listed as being available Sept. 6th.

Originally posted by Jerry G
I missed Wednesday's episode. So I need to know what's the best strategy. I see that Lost is on Sat night, but it's an old episode. Should I watch next week's conclusion, not having seen this week's episode? Should I wait for this week's episode to be shown again and then watch the repeat of next week's episode? I could record next week's episode, but not watch it just yet until I determine if this week's episode will be shown again in the near future. But I use the Dish 921 HD DVR, so it's a crap shoot if the show will even be successfully recorded or if it will not get destroyed by one of the many 921 bugs before this week's episode is shown again.

I have been distraught over having missed this week's episode and trying to decide how to handle this nightmare.

According to my Tivo guide this past week's episode ("Exodus") will re-broadcast on 5-24 at 8 pm (that's this Tues coming up; one day before the finale).

That should fix your nightmare (sorry, can't do anything about your buggy 921 :D ).

Off topic (apologies):

If you guys haven't seen the British video from Iraq "Is this the way to Amarillo" you've got to check this out. This is why we should never go to war without the British. :D

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=way_to_armadillo

Hilarious video -- no doubt Neil Sedaka is raking in the $$$. The song has been a huge hit in the UK for weeks. A minor hit in England in the early seventies for a singer named Tony Christie, Sedaka tried a version in the late-70's in the US just as his mid-seventies comeback was winding down. I think it made top 50 and was largely forgotten. Until now.

Paul

Maybe it's just my headache, or just being drained from Yankees/Mets I...I didn't find it that funny. I hope I haven't lost my sense of humor.:( That would make me sad!

Originally posted by Enigma
According to my Tivo guide this past week's episode ("Exodus") will re-broadcast on 5-24 at 8 pm (that's this Tues coming up; one day before the finale).

That should fix your nightmare (sorry, can't do anything about your buggy 921 :D ).

Great. Thanks for the information. ABC's web site didn't have any information on a replay that I could find.

Got to love the Brits!

Originally posted by CPanther95
Off topic (apologies):

If you guys haven't seen the British video from Iraq "Is this the way to Amarillo" you've got to check this out. This is why we should never go to war without the British. :D

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=way_to_armadillo

Hilarious stuff. I was actually impressed..all ONE SHOT! Take THAT Scorsese!

I noticed that long tracking shot too, Orson Welles would be proud.

Paul

FYI spoiler:
Damon Lindelof, the co-creator of "Lost," says he loosely modeled the season finale on "The Empire Strikes Back." That movie satisfied fans by resolving the question of Luke's father, but planted the seeds for the next installment when Han Solo is kidnapped.

Among the questions that will be answered: Island dwellers will open the mysterious hatch, and viewers will glimpse the monster that devoured the pilot in the first episode. Many mysteries will go unsolved, including why there is a polar bear on a tropical island.

The final half-hour amounts to an on-screen Easter egg hunt, and devoted viewers will find lottery numbers, (a reference to a previous plotline), hidden in the scenes. Mr. Lindelof also has one key bit of advice for diehard fans: Listen to what the crazy French woman says in the third-to-last scene.

I can't wait! :D

What part of "no spoilers" don't you understand??? Sheesh.

J. Mike -

You really should have had that hidden as a spoiler tag.

:eek:

Isn't there still a Lost spoiler thread somewhere? How 'bout taking the spoilers over there? And how 'bout deleting that post?

(Blatant opinion) J.Mike's post is less [distressing] than jackshakes' and IrmoGamecoq's posts containing the contents of the episode guide text that included references to scenes not shown or worse - part of Exodus Part 2. Would love to see that sort of thing after watching Part 2.

Unfortunately, it's somewhat unavoidable, although I think that some of these threads are much more vigorously enforced than most.

Still, I disliked finding out about [24] Jack's medical condition two years ago, or Boomer's actions in BSG... Never wanted to get those sinking feelings again.

v/r,
C-F