The last 10-15 minutes here it was 4:3. Hate when that happens!

Out of WABC ? Strange. I was watching WABC and it was 16:9 for the 2hrs :)

I thought one of the funniest lines of the show was when Sawyer referred to Michael and Jin as Han and Chewy.

Wow, lot of angry folk around here that nothing was resolved. I'll assume they don't remember the good 'ol fashioned days when season finales regularly left you hanging all summer. Little thing called "Who Shot JR" jog your memories? How about when Sam proposed to somebody over the phone on "Cheers?" Was it Diane or was it the Councilwoman? And don't get me started on "Hill Street Blues." The summer cliffhanger was a staple of television back in the day. ;)

The "Lost" guys did it correctly. To have expected them to wrap everything up in two hours last night - knowing they'll be back next season - just wasn't realistic. I thought it was a fun finale. Not great, but enjoyable. And the shock factor was in full force last night. First when Artz blew himself up and then when the "security system" started uprooting the trees. We had the volume up pretty well and those two scenes came booming through the sub, scaring the bejesus out of my wife. OK and out of me as well. :) Enjoy your summers.

You're kidding us here about "doing it correctly", right? The ratings will determine that. I wouldn't be surprised if Lost did well last night because so much was anticipated for the season finale, however how many will come back next year? The "Lost" guys are just dragging the story and sooner or later people will become frustrated to the point of tuning out. There is such a thing called overkill and they're getting dangerously close to that.

Your comparison to Dallas and Cheers is a poor one. Those series had some sort of closure to each episode while closing off with good cliffhangers to get viewers back the next season.

The Lost "cliffhanger" was just another regular episode with plenty of filler backstories to stretch it to 2 hours as some have already stated. The only difference is that now there are 4 months in between episodes instead of 1 week.

No one is expecting everything to be resolved. We're just looking for a few answers.

I didn't rewind it to check but I thought the woman in the cab of the boat kind of looked like a blonde version of Rousseau. Then my wife said that maybe it's her daughter all grown up. Anyone have a screen shot of her?

Did we get a good shot of what was dragging Locke? It was happening so fast that I couldn't see anything. I thought at one point that there was a camera angle which would have showed something, but it didn't appear anything was there. Does anyone have a screen capture of that part.

Also, just before the monster scene Jack and Kate saw the smoke kinda dancing through the trees, but looked at each other as if to say "am I going crazy or did you see that too?" The way it moved was really strange, like it was darting around through the trees.

That bird that they saw appeared to be VERY large. It let out a loud noise and then flew away. Anyone know what kind of bird it was? I assumed it was an eagle, and even though they can be rather large, this thing appeared to be HUGE!

Just a picky detail but: An aircraft radar does not sweep like that - it pans back and forth 45 degree off the nose. Nor do they beep on blip contact.
Hey, if an airplane can break apart and fall from 30,000 feet and some folks survive along with a "still functioning" jet engine - what's a small bit of detail like a aircraft radar unit that sweeps 360 degrees and makes a beebing sound. But, then again, it's enterianment. :rolleyes:

Missing finale scene? WABC-DT local-news promos during the 2-hour final excitedly promised a 'missing scene' they couldn't fit into the series. :) Just fast forwarded a DVRed news-show recording and didn't see anything; maybe they meant a later entertainment ABC show. Anyhow, couldn't believe the ending, until I read above they'll continue this overly stretched series next season. Guess, by dropping in endless snippets of the cast's earlier lives, it could be extended indefinitely. -- John

At least we only have to wait about 4 months for more episodes. It could be like the Sopranos. We'd be waiting 18 months or more.

Also, just before the monster scene Jack and Kate saw the smoke kinda dancing through the trees, but looked at each other as if to say "am I going crazy or did you see that too?" The way it moved was really strange, like it was darting around through the trees.


yea I saw what appeared to be a shadow of something running around

Out of WABC ? Strange. I was watching WABC and it was 16:9 for the 2hrs :)

Philadelphia ABC channel - Comcast South Jersey. HD didn't resume after the last commercial.

Hey, if an airplane can break apart and fall from 30,000 feet and some folks survive along with a "still functioning" jet engine - what's a small bit of detail like a aircraft radar unit that sweeps 360 degrees and makes a beebing sound. But, then again, it's enterianment. :rolleyes:

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I can't wait to see the early ratings numbers for Lost and AI. Its running about 50/50 here at work. 6 watched Lost and 5 watched AI.

I liked the finale alot. Can't wait for next season now!

Going to have to watch it again, this time on the TV with the Tivo hooked up to it. Need to pause it a few times to check out:

- It looked to me like a woman who threw the explosive on the raft. Not sure what that was because it didn't appear lit when it was thrown.
- When they were carrying back the dynamite, Jack and Kate both see something in the jungle. Looked like something that was camouflaged. A Predator-type thing?


Has anyone else ever asked Locke what he saw when he just stopped and looked at the "security system" (in the first few episodes). Last night it definitely sounded mechanical when it was pulling him. Almost like a chain that was being retracted on a winch.

I liked the finale alot. Can't wait for next season now!

Going to have to watch it again, this time on the TV with the Tivo hooked up to it. Need to pause it a few times to check out:

- It looked to me like a woman who threw the explosive on the raft. Not sure what that was because it didn't appear lit when it was thrown.
- When they were carrying back the dynamite, Jack and Kate both see something in the jungle. Looked like something that was camouflaged. A Predator-type thing?


Has anyone else ever asked Locke what he saw when he just stopped and looked at the "security system" (in the first few episodes). Last night it definitely sounded mechanical when it was pulling him. Almost like a chain that was being retracted on a winch.

It was a woman who threw the bottle with what looked like an electrical timer on it. Also, she was not dressed like the others on the boat - just a light shirt.

could it be Alex? Danielles baby?

Obviuosly Arzt wasn't as smart as they want us to think. Kate gave up the first shirt so willingly, why didn't he grab more "sticks" and ask for the other shirts!!!

I didn't rewind it to check but I thought the woman in the cab of the boat kind of looked like a blonde version of Rousseau...

I thought the woman in the boat who threw the 'grenade' looked just like the heroin junkie chick who was with Charlie in the hotel flashback scene.

Danielle's baby, Alex, was a boy. She has said "he" or "him" a few times.

Did we get a good shot of what was dragging Locke? It was happening so fast that I couldn't see anything. I thought at one point that there was a camera angle which would have showed something, but it didn't appear anything was there. Does anyone have a screen capture of that part.


You couldn't really see anything grabbing/dragging him. However, the sound was obviously mechanical...reminded me of the clunking of a roller coaster as it's pulled up an incline...which of course leads to the inevitable tumble over the precipice.

When Hurley finally gets on the plane, he travels down the aisle and looks at Walt. Walt has been very intent with his video game, has shut the real world out. Walt looks at Hurley, Hurley gives Walt a thumbs up, they each give each other a knowing smile. There's gotta be something to that......

Has anyone else ever asked Locke what he saw when he just stopped and looked at the "security system" (in the first few episodes). Last night it definitely sounded mechanical when it was pulling him. Almost like a chain that was being retracted on a winch.

To me it sounded just like the sound an old wooden roller coaster makes as it pulls the cars to the top of the first hill.

Edit: Didn't read post by htevolution until after I wrote my post.

Last night it definitely sounded mechanical when it was pulling him. Almost like a chain that was being retracted on a winch.

That's what I thought - but why did it stop pulling him? Jack certainly couldn't have stopped it from pulling Locke all the way down the hole.

Already, some people are wondering if this is going to be like the X-files, where they drag things out. Last night, the flashback for Hurley trying to make the plane had no purpose other than comic relief. At least the ones involving Jin and Charlie had points to make. But Hurley's was longer so it felt like padding.

The way they keep coming up with stuff in Alias, I don't know why Abrams can't keep coming up with absurd plots and action all the time, instead of dribbling out little bits of action and mostly flashbacks.

There is no way they pick up season 2 at any time other than when they left on in season 1. There are too many things that can't wait 1 week for resolution. 3 guys in the water 15 miles offshore and I don't see Locke waiting a week to go down the hatch.

The Black Rock is obviously not the ship the others came on. The others are not likely descendants of the Black Rock survivors, either. I wonder if the Black Rock was destined for the island anyway. They had mining equipment on it, as well as slave labor.

My guess is that there is something VERY valuable worth mining on the island. Walt was probably taken to work in the mines because he is small.

so the question is, they took danielles baby but they didnt want claires baby they wanted walt


I knew they were going to go after Walt as soon as Rosseau said she heard the Others whispering about going after "the boy". If it wasn't the baby, it was Walt, the young boy with the psychic powers.

The Black Rock is obviously not the ship the others came on. The others are not likely descendants of the Black Rock survivors, either. I wonder if the Black Rock was destined for the island anyway. They had mining equipment on it, as well as slave labor.

My guess is that there is something VERY valuable worth mining on the island. Walt was probably taken to work in the mines because he is small.


That would explain the need for the security system...and the elaborate hatch and/or tunnels.

I always assumed Alex was a boy too, but my wife said she heard her mention her daughter. She's not really into the show so maybe she heard wrong.

I could have sworn Alex was a girl, thought i heard her say "my baby girl"

OK, who's going? hehe

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What about all the man of science vs. man of faith mumbo jumbo?

Locke believes it was destiny which brough everyone to the island. Guess the destiny thing could explain the damn numbers and the soccer team that Hurley passed by.

But notice Jack said Locke might be a problem and that he needs Kate to cover his back?

I thought one of the funniest lines of the show was when Sawyer referred to Michael and Jin as Han and Chewy.

Didn't he call Walt "Gazoo" at one point too?

But Locke never told Jack that he was in a wheelchair until the crash. That's where Locke's main "faith" belief comes from. He's also seen the monster, or one of the monsters, near the beginning of the season.

The conclusion on the ABC LOST message board is what my initial reaction was..... The girl on the boat is Alex, Danielle's daughter.

Two things:

People have mentioned the strange movement of the smoke after the dynamite explosion, but what got to me was the fact that Kate threw the dynamite into the hole straight down but it exploded far behind them.

What about the scratches on Danielle's arm? Claire remembers scratching her when she was kidnapped. So was Danielle working with Ethan? What's that relationship?

When I first saw the boat, I considered that the people were the other survivors from the tail section. After seeing them, this seemed less likley. But, has anyone else considered this could still be true? The other survivors could have been captured by the 'others' and made to do their work and kidnap the kid.

I liked the finale. Let's face it, some of the flashbacks have always been filler to some extent. Many seemed to affect the story and others didn't. We don't know if they are filler or not really. Also, some things the writers put in as filler, could be used later once they figure out what to do. This reminds me of the X-Files so much.

It would occur to me that any people that were unhappy with the finale and didn't like the pacing or lack or resolution enough to come back next season could have been kidding themselves. This is the way the drama has played from day one and shouldn't have surprized anyone that watched it regularly. It's almost the reason I stopped watching, because I knew this would be a LONG process and could be subject to cancellation/changes etc depending on how the viewers received it. In the end, I decided to go for it and once I accepted the pacing and just let myself be entertained, it's very enjoyable and I love it.

I for one loved the last scene with the camera falling into the shaft. The sense of foreboding and mystery was excellently played (and I liked the music accompanying it). It was classic. I can't wait until next season. Also, it did anyswer a question of mine. I didn't know if it was a simple capsule or an entrance to a larger facility. It's obviously an entrance that goes into the bowels of the island. This was hinted at before because since it had no door it would need an entrance somewhere else, but still, it was good to see.

When Hurley finally gets on the plane, he travels down the aisle and looks at Walt. Walt has been very intent with his video game, has shut the real world out. Walt looks at Hurley, Hurley gives Walt a thumbs up, they each give each other a knowing smile. There's gotta be something to that......
I was expecting Walt to say, "Hey, you're that fat dude that won the lottery! Why aren't you in first class?" :)

Coincidentally, I had just watched "Sorcerer" (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0076740/) this weekend so the "transporting leaky unstable dynamite through the jungle" plot seemed very familiar. I was expecting them to steal the "bag of sand + string + heavy rock = improvised time bomb" part too.

After Artz told the story about Ascanio Sobrero blowing himself up with nitroglycerin and his assistant saying "Looks like it works", I figured after Artz blew himself up, Hurley was going to say "Looks like it works, dude."

Just got through watching a few parts again, this time on the Tivo.

Pausing it in certain spots you can see a black "chain" attached to Locke's legs. The best view of it is right before he goes down into the hole. There is a shot of about 5 feet behind Locke. It is either black braided rope or a chain.

In the jungle, Jack and Kate see the black smoke. The smoke moves in a spinning cone-shaped form.

The explosive thrown on the raft is a jar of what looks like gasoline with an electronic device/timer attached to it.

Watched it in slo-mo and I didn't think it was the same girl as in Charlie's flashback.

Hurley is all about comic relief so why wouldn't his flashback involve the same.

At the end, when they bring the baby back, you see a statue sticking out of Charlie's bag. Obviously wanting us to think he is going back to doing heroin. They didn't show the entire statue so maybe he is just bring back one for Claire but left the drugs behind?

My guess is that there is something VERY valuable worth mining on the island. Walt was probably taken to work in the mines because he is small.
I didn't see any hint that Black Rock intended to land on the island any more than Rousseau's research ship did. I doubt the drug dealers were making deliveries to the island either. No one wants to be there.

Except Locke.

- what's a small bit of detail like a aircraft radar unit that sweeps 360 degrees and makes a beebing sound. But, then again, it's enterianment. :rolleyes:

Well it's even more interesting since the antenna was fixed/lashed to the mast - I guess the whole raft must've been spinning ;)

Anyone else have a little bit of popping in the soundtrack last night? I've only been using my MDP-130 for about 2 weeks now, but this is the first time I heard much popping.

I think Hurley holds the key in some way.

Someone mentioned his flashback was nothing more than comic relief. I disagree. The whole show pretty much had the "destiny" tone to it, that these people were meant to be on this island, that forces were at work to GET them on that island. Yet in Hurley's flashback we see that "destiny" was doing everything in its power NOT to allow Hurley to get on that flight and wind up on the island. So I don't find it odd that the numbers he won the lottery with and become so unlucky with would be stamped on the side of the hatch enclosure.

IMHO, Hurley's not supposed to be there with everyone, and he'll hold the key for "solving" the island.

I thought one of the funniest lines of the show was when Sawyer referred to Michael and Jin as Han and Chewy.
When they're building the raft, Michael says to Jin, "No, no, no.. this goes here, and that goes there"... the same thing that Han says to Chewbacca in SW:ESB when repairing the millenium falcon. Probably not a coincidence...

When they're building the raft, Michael says to Jin, "No, no, no.. this goes here, and that goes there"... the same thing that Han says to Chewbacca in SW:ESB when repairing the millenium falcon. Probably not a coincidence...


You're right, Now that is funny and creative on the writers part. Good catch.

The episode set us up for more Jack vs Locke competition. Jack asks Kate to "watch my back" because "we have a Locke problem." Jack IS a bit of a control freak, unilaterally abrogating the agreement and carrying the dynamite. Although I'm a science guy, supposedly like Jack, I like Locke much better.

Notice how Jack sensibly put his pack down when the monster attacked while Kate ran blithly along with her supposed load of dynamite? An editing continuity error or showing that Kate panicked?

It's why Jack took the dynamite and didn't tell Kate. He didn't trust her and figured she'd do something stupid like that.

When Hurley finally gets on the plane, he travels down the aisle and looks at Walt. Walt has been very intent with his video game, has shut the real world out. Walt looks at Hurley, Hurley gives Walt a thumbs up, they each give each other a knowing smile. There's gotta be something to that......

I don't think so...Hurley just made a funny sight. Such a huge man covered in sweat and happy to have made his flight. He saw Walt notice him and gave him his thumbsup "dude" :-) Walt, being a little boy, thought this funny.

Doesn't mean they aren't connected somehow, but I'm not sure there is any meaning to that particular exchange.

The episode set us up for more Jack vs Locke competition. Jack asks Kate to "watch my back" because "we have a Locke problem." Jack IS a bit of a control freak, unilaterally abrogating the agreement and carrying the dynamite. Although I'm a science guy, supposedly like Jack, I like Locke much better.

Notice how Jack sensibly put his pack down when the monster attacked while Kate ran blithly along with her supposed load of dynamite? An editing continuity error or showing that Kate panicked?

Yeah, I don't really understand what the "Locke problem" is, except a threat to Jack's leadership. What did he mean by that?

Also, I definitely think the Kate backpack/running scene was to show she panicked and forgot to unload her backpack before hightailing it.

I didn't know if it was a simple capsule or an entrance to a larger facility. It's obviously an entrance that goes into the bowels of the island. This was hinted at before because since it had no door it would need an entrance somewhere else, but still, it was good to see.
They've "opened the box". Again. They shouldn't have done that.

I don't think so...Hurley just made a funny sight. Such a huge man covered in sweat and happy to have made his flight.
Remember that not only was Hurley covered in sweat, he didn't have time to take a shower that morning. Peeyew! I'm sure he got lots of people's attention when he got on the plane. "I hope that guy doesn't end up sitting next to me for the next 14 hours."

It's why Jack took the dynamite and didn't tell Kate. He didn't trust her and figured she'd do something stupid like that.

That, and Jack's need to put all burdens on himself rather than let anyone else take some risk.

Yeah, I don't really understand what the "Locke problem" is, except a threat to Jack's leadership. What did he mean by that?

Also, I definitely think the Kate backpack/running scene was to show she panicked and forgot to unload her backpack before hightailing it.

Well other than Locke started spouting off about the "island" and how Boone was a "sacrifice the Island demanded", I'd be worried about him too. Nothing more dangerous than a religious fanatic. People who believe in something that strongly will do anything.

Another thought:

It seems to be that the 'ghostly' effect that we see in the trees was probably the heat ripples from an engine of some sort. We know now that the "security system" is mechanical, not a monster. This would also explain the same effect around the jet engine in the pilot episode.

I don't think that there are any ghosts or invisible monsters. Underneath the surface of that island is a vast mechanized complex.

Pure speculation here:

My take is that this "security thing" is underground; tunnels etc. (old mine shafts and tunnels) and the sounds are the ore carts or something moving on the underground tracks. Blasting charges along the way make the trees blow out of the ground and smoke rise etc. Black smoke would most likely be black powder. They could be pre-set waiting for someone to trigger them by stepping on something or moving something along the way. I notice how they start and move in numerous directions near whatever sets them off.

Some of this could have been lying dormant for years, or the others are survivors that have been there for years and re-setting them to keep "tresspassers" out. Rousseau may have gone off the deep end years ago and driven off her crew in her madness and they may not be dead.

When Locke was being dragged backwards, it looked to me like a rope or vines were around his ankles and they were being “pulled” back in. Also when Kate threw the dynamite down the hole the blast blew black smoke out of another hole connecting to the tunnel underground. (It’s a lot like the rodent holes and tunnels in a field.)

We know the Black Rock ship had mining equipment on it. Dynamite makes sense. Underground shafts and passageways fit. Now that the hatch is opened and has an apparently deep shaft leading down from it may imply keeping people away from something very valuable, OR keeping something that was discovered “down there” from getting out.

Now the boat, I agree is too small to have come from far away. Fuel?? The airplane (Boone’s demise) may have been destined for the island and connected to the mining operation/smuggling/drug running or whatever. There may just be a fuel depot hidden there. Remember how the guys on the raft were surprised how big the island was that they were leaving? They may be out 10-15 miles from where they started, but not that far from shore. Also the radar doesn’t have a very big range if the boat can make it back in view in such a short time, maybe a mile or so, so they may be only a mile off shore. The crew of the boat may be the survivors of the descendants of the Black Rock: not very likely; from Rousseau’s party: maybe; Part of the drug runner support group: just a guess; Tail section: I don’t think so; or they are part of the space time continuum that puts people here to pay for their sins. Whoever they are, I think they have been there for a long time.

I have no clue to the semitransparent shapes that Kate and Jack both saw, phantoms or shadows of something flying over the jungle maybe. (Hang gliders wouldn’t make noise.) The other weird animals etc. (polar bear and large beast that plucks pilots out of the cockpit). Do you think a circus ship got stranded here too?


At any rate, we have some things to ponder for the summer.

The best non-supernatural explanation stated here for the smoke is a nanoswarm as in Michael Chrichton's "Prey". I love the contuing conflict between sanctimonious Saint Jack of science and quirky Locke the Prophet of the Island.

Maybe I missed something earlier in the year, but did anyone on the island know Hurley's first name was Hugo? Locke called him Hugo last night and I'm just wondering how he knew that was his first name.

IIRC, we found out that Hurley's name is really Hugo Reyes during his first backstory (when he used the "numbers" to win the lottery).

—Dan

Danielle said in an earlier scene that Alex was her daughter, which ruled out Ethan being Alex for anybody who might think otherwise.

If the security system is underground and it just blasts things out of the ground like mines, that would explain what we see, but not why Locke was looking up at it and how the pilot got pulled out of the plane.

The Black Rock may have been destined for the island and crashed during a storm to keep them on the island. A storm surge could pull that boat quite a way inland.

Back when Boone was alive, Locke mentioned that Sayid was strong and "we will need him on our side" alluding to a division in the camp of survivors. That may be one of the major story arcs for season 2.

You wait and see, our government is behind the whole thing somehow ;) I had thought initially of maybe Under ground Nuclear testing, with some hight tech security to keep people from finding it.

Once it was discovered by whomever, the forces of good and evil are waging war to keep people from using it, or in evils case by all means use it (if they can figure it out) to destroy the world.

The Evil side brings people who are killers, drug smugglers, by making them crash there, and the good side brings some (Jack) to thwart the bad guys.

Ahh maybe i need to get Revelations out of my head?

In any case, i felt very unsatisfied at the end of last night, kinda like if i wait for 6 more new episodes to go by i wont really miss much>kinda like soap operas.That being said, i do love this show :)

Just a picky detail but: An aircraft radar does not sweep like that - it pans back and forth 45 degree off the nose. Nor do they beep on blip contact.
Nor do they use a PPI scope—but, it's just a TV show. And at least they could explain where an "aircraft" radar came from; they'd have had a tougher time explaining where it came from if Saiid had given them an AN/SPS-64 surface search radar... :)

—Dan

I have been disappointed by the lack of new "Kate" pics posted here lately. How are we expected to make it till fall with no pics?

:)

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from conanHD the other night, taken from the conan thread :)

God what i would give for a piece of Kate :D

I think Hurley holds the key in some way.

Someone mentioned his flashback was nothing more than comic relief. I disagree. The whole show pretty much had the "destiny" tone to it, that these people were meant to be on this island, that forces were at work to GET them on that island. Yet in Hurley's flashback we see that "destiny" was doing everything in its power NOT to allow Hurley to get on that flight and wind up on the island. So I don't find it odd that the numbers he won the lottery with and become so unlucky with would be stamped on the side of the hatch enclosure.

IMHO, Hurley's not supposed to be there with everyone, and he'll hold the key for "solving" the island.

Hurley was the first person cast.

When Hurley finally gets on the plane, he travels down the aisle and looks at Walt. Walt has been very intent with his video game, has shut the real world out. Walt looks at Hurley, Hurley gives Walt a thumbs up, they each give each other a knowing smile. There's gotta be something to that......
They planned the whole thing

Another thought:

It seems to be that the 'ghostly' effect that we see in the trees was probably the heat ripples from an engine of some sort. We know now that the "security system" is mechanical, not a monster. This would also explain the same effect around the jet engine in the pilot episode.

I don't think that there are any ghosts or invisible monsters. Underneath the surface of that island is a vast mechanized complex.
I watched and rewatched this scene, over and over again, on my HD-TiVo, and there are two distinct phantoms in this scene—a rippling sea-serpent-shaped tubular thing that "swims" off the screen to the right, followed by a stationary phantom that turns around and looks, to me, like an angel fish...

When the video clip from the pilot episode first hit the net, showing the swooping phantom that appears to be perfectly timed with the engine explosion, I thought it was just another internet hoax. But that phantom was indeed very visible (once you knew what to look for) on the recording on my TiVo.

Whatever these things are, the show's producers intentionally placed them there...

They kind of remind me of the UFO-ish "flying rods" that were all the rage a few years back.

—Dan

How could anyone be disappointed? My favorite parts - when Locke and Jack were taking the dynamite out and Locke asks, "Have you ever played Operation?" then goes "BZZZZZ" :p That was hilarious. And when Arzt blew up I almost shat my pants! He was being SO obnoxiously careful that I didn't see it coming.

I think Hurley's backstory, and his conversation with Kate, were the writers' way of telling the fans that the numbers individually showing up are meaningless and their way of having fun. Hurley asks if the number 23 means anything to Kate and, no big surprise, she is able to come up with some obscure reference in her life - who couldn't? Then we get a humorous back story where the numbers are literally everywhere! The writers are telling us to lighten up!

I was actually disappointed w/ last nite's finale. Nothing was really resolved and another question comes up, relative to the boat kidnapping. Heck, at least Desparate Housewives had some closure.

I like the concept of the underground mines. That at least sounds plausible. This supernatural thing is getting out of hand...

Remember that not only was Hurley covered in sweat, he didn't have time to take a shower that morning. Peeyew! I'm sure he got lots of people's attention when he got on the plane. "I hope that guy doesn't end up sitting next to me for the next 14 hours."


And I bet he hasn't taken any showers since the plane crashed :D

I also think the writers were messing with the fans when they had Claire and Korean lady talking about being punished and being put on the island ie the thought that they are in purgatory or something.

I was actually disappointed w/ last nite's finale. Nothing was really resolved and another question comes up, relative to the boat kidnapping. Heck, at least Desparate Housewives had some closure.

I like the concept of the underground mines. That at least sounds plausible. This supernatural thing is getting out of hand...

I agree with the first part of what you said. I predict a gradual drop in viewership next season.

I like the supernatural aspect however. But unlike what was said in an earlier post I don't think Lost is in the same league as X-Files.

It'll take more than some snappy one-liners from Locke about board games to make this an outstanding series as it appeared to be when it first aired!

I forgot to mention I liked the part when Sayid poured the gunpowder in the gash on Charlie's head and lit it. Man, that was good!

I forgot to mention I liked the part when Sayid poured the gunpowder in the gash on Charlie's head and lit it. Man, that was good!

Sayid: This is going to hurt [while lighting the fire]
Charlie: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

LMAO

Sayid: This is going to hurt [while lighting the fire]
Charlie: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

LMAO

Emmy material no doubt. ;)

would that actually work?

The season finale should have at least answer some questions. It did not.

A season finale should want you to come back next season. Did it?

Someone pointed out a long time back that this show might not last long due to not answering any questions and adding too many. My wife is (LOST) with this whole story.

I was disappointed at the mysterious "others". They looked like a bunch of bag people on a motor boat. (I thought they would be scarier like Evan or diseased)

And as for the ominous column of black smoke. Just some beach fire set across the island.

If this story just ends up being a bunch of old miners living underground that would suck.

The Black Rock is obviously not the ship the others came on. The others are not likely descendants of the Black Rock survivors, either. I wonder if the Black Rock was destined for the island anyway. They had mining equipment on it, as well as slave labor.

My guess is that there is something VERY valuable worth mining on the island. Walt was probably taken to work in the mines because he is small.


maybe Indiana Jones will be able to save Walt in IJ4 !

Yep, cauterizing the wound.

Just saw this in another board, sorry if it's already posted:

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Preview for Lost season 2

http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm

Click the numbers in that magical sequence, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42. Don't click the seat, just the #'s

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I think Hurley's backstory, and his conversation with Kate, were the writers' way of telling the fans that the numbers individually showing up are meaningless and their way of having fun. Hurley asks if the number 23 means anything to Kate and, no big surprise, she is able to come up with some obscure reference in her life - who couldn't? Then we get a humorous back story where the numbers are literally everywhere! The writers are telling us to lighten up!

I was born on the 23rd (of February), shouldn't I be on the island too?!

~Alan

I think whoever posted it earlier that the writers have no clue where this story is goin is right. This looks to be like they had plans but changed it, and keep on changin it.

There is just too much going on....

- Old pirates digging tunnels
- Psycotic french woman talking about others
- Who the hell was Evan, didn't look like a pirate
- Mysterious space craft looking hatch not the entrance to the pirates tunnel
- The Numbers
- Locke "Island brought us here, it's fate"
- Why did the pirates want Claire's baby then change for the boy?
- Boone's radio conversation with someone saying they were the survivors of the Oceanic flight
- Korean lady saying they were in purgatory
- Mysterious jungle monster\security system
- Pshycic telling Claire to raise the baby herself and then has her get on the doomed flight
- Cable running in the ocean

I think the writers are going down the wrong path, its obvious they are writing so that the audience is LOST and making fun of it.

I think the better story line would have been the purgatory line with Locke being the one in charge of getting everyone to atone their sins or not and pass through to heaven or hell.
The French woman should have been the Locke equivalent from a past group but she screwed up and the others were stuck in purgatory forever due to her errors.
The others would have been these scary types who try to interfear with Locke so they would not be alone.
The hatch is the portal to one path or the other.

This whole tunneling pirates kidnapping kids to keep themselves alive is stupid. They should have killed more off this season and added others to the mix. Arnst looked like that at first but he blew up. How long can we flash back on these peoples lives?

I was one very intense viewer for this show and loved every week but the finale might have stopped me from tuning in.

This whole tunneling pirates kidnapping kids to keep themselves alive is stupid. They should have killed more off this season and added others to the mix. Arnst looked like that at first but he blew up. How long can we flash back on these peoples lives?

It was in the latest issue of TV Guide that next season would show more of the rest of surviors on the island, then again, it also stated that there would be more of Arnzt next year, which can only mean in flashbacks now I guess...

~Alan

Just saw this in another board, sorry if it's already posted:

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Preview for Lost season 2

http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm

Click the numbers in that magical sequence, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42. Don't click the seat, just the #'s

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oh man awesome!

would that actually work?

It should cauterize the wound, but it might leave a mark ;)

would that actually work?


Yes it would sterilize and cauterize the wound, stopping the bleeding and infection in a "flash".

Just saw this in another board, sorry if it's already posted:

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Preview for Lost season 2

http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm

Click the numbers in that magical sequence, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42. Don't click the seat, just the #'s

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clicking on the seats does stuff too. i found locke's and jack's seats. and things happen when i click

FYI, the bearded fishing boat driver is M.C. Gainey (http://imdb.com/name/nm0301370/)

I was born on the 23rd (of February), shouldn't I be on the island too?!

~AlanI don't know? How much do you weigh &/or how do you look in a bikini? :D

Yes it would sterilize and cauterize the wound, stopping the bleeding and infection in a "flash".

Ever seen "Rambo: First Blood, Part II"? It worked for him. And you know those movies are scientifically accurate! ;)

Sayid: This is going to hurt [while lighting the fire]
Charlie: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

LMAO

I thought Sayid say, "This will not be pleasant" just before he lit the powder, which makes the scene even funnier to me. :)

I agree with the first part of what you said. I predict a gradual drop in viewership next season.
You haven't even seen one episode from next season.

What happened to the people who predicted Lost wouldn't survive a single season because there was no way they could sustain people's interest for 24 episodes without giving the audience explanations for everything? Instead Lost built up a huge audience against the number one show on television.

Danielle said in an earlier scene that Alex was her daughter, which ruled out Ethan being Alex for anybody who might think otherwise.

If the security system is underground and it just blasts things out of the ground like mines, that would explain what we see, but not why Locke was looking up at it and how the pilot got pulled out of the plane.

The Black Rock may have been destined for the island and crashed during a storm to keep them on the island. A storm surge could pull that boat quite a way inland.

If the Black Rock really came to the island on purpose, then why were all the slaves still chained up? Seems that everyone would have unloaded to begin their mining (or whatever).

clicking on the seats does stuff too. i found locke's and jack's seats. and things happen when i click
Interesting, plus Charlie's & some guy named Edward Mars. Also found Boone and Shannon's seat in business class.

Just saw this in another board, sorry if it's already posted:

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Preview for Lost season 2

http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm

Click the numbers in that magical sequence, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42. Don't click the seat, just the #'s

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At the top, click on home. You'll see a message on the right in yellow. Notice a grey bar at the very right. Grab it and pull it into view.

Also, if you highlight the text in the yellow message, you will see a second message. Here is that text:

Robert D. West, of Santa Barbara, California, USA survived a horrific plane crash and is stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward word of my fate to parents, Mr. and Mrs. John West, of Tucson Arizona. Thank you.

Robert


ALSO,

there seems to be text hidden BEHIND the yellow message. Here is that text (you can get to it by viewing the HTML source:

If anyone should find this message, please get word to Sandra Rafflethorpe of Palm Avenue in Lewiston, Idaho that her sister, Sally is alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they're getting worse...

Sally


WHO THE HELL ARE ROBERT AND SALLY?!? Are they characters from Season 2? Are they some of "the others?"

Crazy.

Well, I guess Sawyer is gonna live since they have him in that online ad for season 2 that you can get to from that seating chart.....

found this on http://www.oceanic-air.com im sure theres tons of hidden stuff.

http://www.oceanic-air.com/images/oa_front-letter1a.jpg

I thought Sayid say, "This will not be pleasant" just before he lit the powder, which makes the scene even funnier to me. :)Thank God, Charlie picked up one of those statues filled with heroin! :rolleyes:

I don't know? How much do you weigh &/or how do you look in a bikini? :D

5'7, 168 pounds, and very masculine in a European sort of way!! :)


~Alan<~~~~~~~~~Who may need to take some pictures...

Pure speculation here:

Now that the hatch is opened and has an apparently deep shaft leading down from it may imply keeping people away from something very valuable, OR keeping something that was discovered “down there” from getting out.


Maybe the Mole Men are down there and Superman will arrive next season to save the day.

People have to admit. The Lost folks have used the web in a pretty cool manner. Dropping little tid bits all over the place for us to find.

People have to admit. The Lost folks have used the web in a pretty cool manner. Dropping little tid bits all over the place for us to find.
Unless of course you prefer the plot of the TV show to unfold on, you know, TV.

5'7, 168 pounds, and very masculine in a European sort of way!! :)


~Alan<~~~~~~~~~Who may need to take some pictures...I can only hope that you're not one of those guy's who wears a speedo around the cruise ship on sea day's? :eek:

I can only hope that you're not one of those guy's who wears a speedo around the cruise ship on sea day's? :eek:

Haven't ever been on a cruise, and haven't been to the beach since the 80s (Panama City, BABY!!!), I just wear them around the house!! ;)

Seriously though, and I apologize for getting off-topic, and for the mental pictures that everyone got!

I'd also like to bring up the fact that CPanther's prediction of them opening up the hatch and then the screen turning black was not exactly acurate, but almost the case...

~Alan

I found another "note" on the oceanic site:

If you are reading this note PLEASE get word to my wife, Christina Smith that her husband,
Jake survived the crash of Oceanic Flight #815 along with 47 others.
Darling, I miss you so much and dream of the day I can see your face again.
The very thought of that day is all that keeps me going here. Please don’t forget me!

Jake Smith

I found another "note" on the oceanic site:

Has anyone noticed that the name of the flight will blink to two different flight numbers?!

I thought that was interesting. I also noticed that one of the people whose seats shows up is Kate's Marshall "buddy"... but I couldn't tell what it was showing on the screen...

~Alan

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet; where is our dead "beloved" character? Wasn't that one of the absolute truths about what would occur in the finale?

And before you try, there's no way anyone could describe Arzt as beloved. :p

-chuck-

And another note:

This is Bob Jones, of Tulsa Oklahoma and I would like to inform the First National Bank of Enid
that I will be late making my September mortgage payment as I am STRANDED ON A FRIGGIN’
ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE! Please have the government send a search team
immediately or don’t all the taxes I pay cover an expense like that?

BJ

I think Hurley may have tolerated Art, er, Arzt a bit.

Paul

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet; where is our dead "beloved" character? Wasn't that one of the absolute truths about what would occur in the finale?

And before you try, there's no way anyone could describe Arzt as beloved. :p

I assumed that was Boone... who may have been beloved at first, but after his weird Shannon dream, seemed kind of strange to me.

~Alan

Unless of course you prefer the plot of the TV show to unfold on, you know, TV.

I doubt that the website is giving anything away. I think they're just having fun....kind of like the 24 website does. Haven't looked at it since the first or second season, but they had links to Kim's e-mail and cellphone, Jack's PDA and other things. None of them had anything to do with the actual events on the show. Just stuff for the fans. I bet this is the same thing.

http://www.pibburns.com/cryptost/cam1361c.jpg
Mapinguari is the Amazonian equivalent of Bigfoot...
More... (http://www.pibburns.com/cryptost/mapingua.htm)

Except that Mapinguari is only about the size of a man. Also, it is a ground sloth, so that wouldn't be what pulled the pilot out of the cockpit. I would put better odds on the chupacabra than the mapinguari as the culprit of anything on the island.

I'd also like to bring up the fact that CPanther's prediction of them opening up the hatch and then the screen turning black was not exactly acurate, but almost the case...

~Alan

Yeah, I was picturing the same light we saw earlier illuminating their faces once they opened the hatch - and that's all we'd see. I guess I should be happy since I got to see more than I thought I would. :)

Also found Boone and Shannon's seat in business class.
In one of their flashbacks it shows them in first class

Here is a screenshot from last night.

So they were attacked by a giant smoke owl?

If you go to the flight traker on that website, you can track flight 815. Interesting information:

Flight # Status Airport Scheduled Actual Gate Airport Scheduled Actual Gate
815 Alert SYD 14:04 14:08 15 LAX 03:16 03:23 42

Note that it supposedly left from Gate 15, not 23 as we saw on the show. And it also supposedly made it to LAX, landing at gate 42. Hmm. Those numbers are still familiar...
-Chris

Trailer for season 2 hidden on a brand new website for lost...

Go to
http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm

then click on the following seat numbers in that order and enjoy the ride wink.gif

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

Also, if you go to the mainpage of that site and click around...you find this...


http://img288.echo.cx/img288/6572/oafrontletter1a6ms.th.jpg (http://img288.echo.cx/my.php?image=oafrontletter1a6ms.jpg)

Now...the description of the monster....looks pretty close to what we saw in the finale, and a "mapinguari" is a giant sloth-like creature seen by indians in the Amazon forests.

...very interesting indeed...

Check out the look on Kate's face as the Phantom smoke dissapates, we are supposed to believe that it was more than smoke.

I think so, given the comment ,"Yes, I saw it" referring to how fast it moved out of sight.

OK, so there is a John West of Tucson, Arizona. Either he's in on the deal, or he's gonna be a very unhappy gentleman. Anyone care to call him?

Couldn't find a Rafflethorpe, especially in Lewiston, ID.

bakem

Trailer for season 2 hidden on a brand new website for lost...


Hmm, the trailer makes the "We're the survivors of Flight 815" comment that Boone heard on the radio even more cryptic.

BTW, TVGuide's "Ask Aussielo" column is supposed to have a BIG Lost Season 2 spoiler next week.

~Alan

Read some "behind the scenes" articles on LOST. I guess there has been some disagreements and tug and pull with the writers and the ABC executives.

For example, it was stated that the ABC executives didn't like the "monster" plot at all. They asked the writers to eliminate it completely from future scripts. There was a period of six or seven episodes in a row where there was no mention at all of the monster.

But I guess the viewing public were asking too many questions about the monster and they were forced to address it. The monster then became part of the story again.

I tend to agree with the ABC executives on this one. I think the "monster" theme is very weak and ridiculous. If they could do it over, I think they would have removed it completely.

I think the writers had a premise and several plot possibilites outlined for a dozen or so episodes. They were written and filmed. When the ratings of the series stayed fairly high, they were given the green light to produce more episode. So they went back to the pen and started scripting other episodes.

In other words . . . they are making this up as they go along. When they began this series, they had NO IDEA what the final episode would be about. This is the same route many series take, including my favorite . . . 24.

I have to admit, however, that many things that are happening on LOST are beginning to appear rather stupid and laughable. I think the writers have dug themselves some "holes" that they are now caught in. There are some plot lines that have been heading no where. Some plot lines are contradicting each other. Some plot lines have been abandoned. Some plot lines no longer make any sense. When you make things up as you go along, it can start to become a mess, even with all of the efforts of many talented people to keep some element of orgainization and structure.

Next season is going to be interesting. My personal opinion is that next season will the be the last for LOST. But that is just my speculation.

You haven't even seen one episode from next season.

What happened to the people who predicted Lost wouldn't survive a single season because there was no way they could sustain people's interest for 24 episodes without giving the audience explanations for everything? Instead Lost built up a huge audience against the number one show on television.

The assumption is that the formula won't change and therefore viewership will decline. I don't have to see an episode to predict that. Obviously if the writers take a different approach other than dragging storylines aimlessly then it may retain the audience.

And if you mean American Idol by the "number one show", Lost was never scheduled opposite AI except for the finale.

Anybody else click on "Island Insider" yet takes you to a one question quiz, the prize is being put on an ABC email list!
Seems different things show up at different times.
"Oceanic Airlines The Choice of Disaster Films"

I think the writers had a premise and several plot possibilites outlined for a dozen or so episodes. They were written and filmed. When the ratings of the series stayed fairly high, they were given the green light to produce more episode. So they went back to the pen and started scripting other episodes.

In other words . . . they are making this up as they go along. When they began this series, they had NO IDEA what the final episode would be about. This is the same route many series take, including my favorite . . . 24.

Actually, this week's issue of TV Guide seemed like the creators actually have everything figured out. In fact, and I'm qouting here:

Producers have been plotting the show's new episodes for months. "You have to get out ahead of it as much as possible," explains executive producer Damon Lindelof. "If you start making it up as you go along, you're in Doomstown." By the end of April, he'd already begun initiating new writers: "You bring them into a room, close the door and say, 'It's time you found out what the monster is. And here's what's inside the hatch.' " And the scribes better have good memories. "You have to [mentally] download all the mythology because I don't let anybody put it in writing," Lindelof says. "I feel like once it's on a computer, it's accessible, and that makes me nervous."

Besides, I'm enjoying it all regardless...

~Alan

Obviously if the writers take a different approach other than dragging storylines aimlessly then it may retain the audience.

Considering it's a J.J. Abrams show, who doesn't have a problem with "shaking things up" on Alias (for better or worse), I expect quite a few changes next year, which makes sense since he once stated that season two would be totally different from the first season.

~Alan

That web site is cool. I found a link to be a LOST insider. Did anyone find charlie's seat? I got a picture Claire with a guys face scratched out. Then I got a Driveshaft back stage pass.

Notice how Jack sensibly put his pack down when the monster attacked while Kate ran blithly along with her supposed load of dynamite? An editing continuity error or showing that Kate panicked?

Yeah, I noticed that. I remember thinking "That's strange....".

- When they were carrying back the dynamite, Jack and Kate both see something in the jungle. Looked like something that was camouflaged. A Predator-type thing?


Yeah, I had a Predator flashback too. I'm going to have to replay that scene in super slow motion.

Yeah, I noticed that. I remember thinking "That's strange....".

Whenever I saw it, I felt that Kate probably thought "screw the danger", and kept the backpack on in case they wouldn't get a chance to come back and get it because of the monster, which, while possibly being the right thing to do, also proved Jack was right in switching the backpacks.

~Alan

The woman on the boat is far too old to be "Alex" - assuming Rousseau 's lost child was an infant.

I think whoever posted it earlier that the writers have no clue where this story is goin is right. This looks to be like they had plans but changed it, and keep on changin it.

There is just too much going on....
It's not too much, it's just you're falling for the misdirection. It all fits. Though not quite spoilers since I don't have any inside information, but since I'm so sure I'm right, I'll wrap it in tags.

- Old pirates digging tunnels
The pirates didn't dig the tunnels. There weren't any pirates anyways -- the old ship was run by slavers. The slave ship "Black Rock" was transporting slaves to a mining colony -- hence the explosives and digging supplies. This also dates the effects of the island's effects -- it was pulling them in before the 20th century.

- Psycotic french woman talking about others
She's not psychotic since they others are real. The "others" are the others in her science expedition that were shipwrecked along with her. They were "infected" and went mad.

- Who the hell was Evan, didn't look like a pirate
I'm not sure which "Evan" you're talking about I'm guessing you mean the imposter who wasn't on the flight manifest. "Evan" was one of the "others" (from Frenchie's expedition, who cleaned himself up and infiltrated the camp to try and kidnap the pregnant hottie.

- Mysterious space craft looking hatch not the entrance to the pirates tunnel
Bingo! It's not a pirates' tunnel, but a hatch leading to the space craft.

- The Numbers
The numbers are a the US military serial number identifying the hatch the military built (back in WWII?) that gives access to the alien artifact.

- Locke "Island brought us here, it's fate"
He's got it half right. It's the alien artifact / presence that's trying to draw people to the island to escape captivity or invade the earth. The US Military identified the alien with that serial number so that's what it knows. It's affecting people and drawing them in to reach its end goal.

- Why did the pirates want Claire's baby then change for the boy?
Again, they're not pirates but Frenchie's expedition scientists. They never said they wanted Claire's baby. They wanted Walt all along. Frenchie also thought that they were talking about Claire's baby. That's why she lit the fire on the beach -- to panic the survivors. That's why she stole the baby, because she thought "the others" (who are working for the alien's goals) were going to bring the baby to the alien that night. She wanted to bring the baby to the alien first to get in the alien's good graces. But she was wrong. When she brought the baby back to give to the alien, she was all alone because the alien wasn't after the baby. What she should have done was stolen Walt and brought him to the alien.

- Boone's radio conversation with someone saying they were the survivors of the Oceanic flight
Yup. The other half of the plane are survivors on another part of the island. We'll meet them in Season 2.

- Korean lady saying they were in purgatory
Lost writers having fun with us. That was one the "theories" posted early on.

- Mysterious jungle monster\security system
The huge mechanical jungle monster is part of the security system guarding the alien artifact.

- Pshycic telling Claire to raise the baby herself and then has her get on the doomed flight
No, she told Claire that the baby would be a force for good and he needed to be raised by Claire to reach that end. Too many of the dominoes wouldn't have fallen into place without Claire's kid in place.

- Cable running in the ocean
Part of the military made access to the alien device / prison.

Don't believe my theory?
Walt and Hugo are key. They shared a connection from the start. Remember, it was Hugo's Spanish comic that Walt ended up with? Back in the episode where Walt ran off was almost eaten by a polar bear we saw two key things. First, he was reading the comic prior to the bear's appearance -- we saw a shot of the polar bear panel appeared in that episode. Second we saw a panel in that comic of an purple headed alien. That comic was Green Lantern / Flash -- Faster Friends (1997) -- or in the Spanish cover that was visible last episode, (Lantern) Verde / Flash -- Los Amigos Mas Veloces Parte Uno. The whole plot line for that comic mini-series was that in the 50's the original Flash / GL captured a crashlanded alien with psionic powers for the military (who took and hid its ship). Fast forward to the present, the new Flash / new GL need to rescue the old Flash / old GL who have been captured by the alien. It fits quite nicely with our story, right? So the island is splitting people up into groups who want to help the alien and those that want to thwart it. It happened with the French expedition. It's happening now with Locke / Jack. Haven't you seen the people being drawn into groups? As for the obsession with kids -- they have more a more active imagination and their minds are more malleable. The alien can influence them or wield its powers through them a lot more effectively than through adults. That's why it wanted, took, and raised Frenchie's kid early on. That's why it tried to get Frenchie to grab Claire's kid and why it sent Ethan in as an imposter. When it couldn't grab Claire's kid (with the more supportive atmosphere of late), it went for Walt.

Have I missed any thing?

'Lost' in endless mystery
It takes a long time to get to the bottom of things in ABC’s series
Where’s David Lynch when you need him?
CRITIC'S NOTEBOOK: By Paul Brownfield Los Angeles Times Staff Writer May 27, 2005

What's down that hole?

On ABC's "Lost" — a fun series that at the close of its first season has become a tyrannical tease — "What's down that hole?" was preceded by "What's in that hatch?"

Well, as we discovered Wednesday night, what's in that hatch is the same as what's down that hole — another three episodes wrapped around a mystery that doesn't reveal anything so much as another new mystery.

It was fitting that "Lost," at the close of its two-hour finale, left viewers looking into a very long, dark space. Series co-creator Damon Lindelof, blurbing himself, was quoted as calling the ending "a cliffhanger that is emotionally satisfying but that demands that people talk about it all summer. It's a 'Who Shot J.R.?' moment."

Four characters poised over a hole as a summer talker? I mean, it's a mysterious hole, well constructed and darkly suggestive, but here's a safe bet: When "Lost" resumes after the long summer months, someone — or some party of someones — will go down that hole after an interval of deliberation about whose life journey has brought them to this moment. This will take an episode or two or three. Then, sometime during November sweeps, the person or persons who go down that hole will discover another strange creature/human being/vortex/the most amazing entry point to a shopping mall the modern world has ever known.

Perhaps, alternatively, whoever goes down the hole will never come back. I'm rooting for the shopping mall, because "Lost" needs to go David Lynch already; as things stand, the gimmicky horror movie gyrations and thriller buildups don't produce either exhalations or, as in Lynch, newer, richer mysteries that deepen the storytelling and add to an overall mood or texture.

On "Lost," the mysteries-upon-mysteries are more of a tic; a winning formula that is producing a certain viewer fatigue with every new turn. What's in that tree? Who's making that sound? Where are those voices coming from? The movie-quality execution of the show helps condition us to fall for each setup, even if the resolutions underwhelm while other, less dreamlike questions start to enter in too, including: Why hasn't the large guy, Hurley, shown any weight loss after all these months? Who's the stylist on the island who keeps Kate's eyebrows in such fetching shape, and how have she and Jack been able to hold off from the romance that's so clearly in the cards for them?

And now, this hole thing. Because it could be anything, really, that's down there, the producers have left viewers stranded in a way that isn't nearly as inclusive and potentially satisfying as the "Who Shot J.R.?" season-ending episode of "Dallas" in 1980 — a cliffhanger that flattered and titillated the informed viewer and that became a sensation largely because the mystery had various attainable resolutions. All that summer, you could as reasonably have pinned the shooting on Cliff Barnes, J.R.'s arch-enemy/brother-in-law, and Sue Ellen, his alcoholic and psychically bruised wife, as on the actual trigger person, Kristin Shepard.

"Dallas," when it resumed, was going to deliver a perpetrator, and we would know them; our involvement was due for a reward: "Lost," when it starts again, is more likely to resume teasing us with new holes to replace the existing ones.

In the finale, the sorts of things that happen on "Lost" happened on "Lost": A party of four — the heroic doctor Jack, the beautiful criminal Kate, the intrepid jungle nomad Locke and the overweight slacker Hurley — took sticks of dynamite to the mysterious hatch door found episodes ago in the jungle and blew it up, revealing the hole. Meanwhile, out at sea, another party of four — the lovable scamp Sawyer, the stoic Jin, the father-and-son team of Michael and Walt — got 15 miles offshore in the makeshift sailboat that took off in the penultimate episode of season one. As men tend to do when on a boat, there was a good bit of male bonding (a recurring theme on the night, if you include Sayid's journey with Charlie and Jack's interaction with Locke), followed by this: The guys on the boat encounter another boat, a sketchier boat ("Lost's" version of the wrong side of the tracks), with sketchy men aboard, who abduct the young Walt.

On "Lost," kidnapping is a favorite pastime, as is running through the jungle, panting, sweating, and the deep, meaningful exchange, seen in tight close-up. Kate (insisting on carrying the backpack of explosives): "I need to do this." Jack: "Kate, no one here owes anyone anything."

The finale teased the idea that the castaways are in some sort of metaphysical limbo state. "Do you think we're being punished?" one asks, for "things we did before, secrets we kept, lies we told?"

Is it destiny that got them here? Fate? "Each one of us was brought here for a reason," Locke tells Jack.

Maybe the reason's in the hole. When "Lost" began, discovery was in the air, peril, possible death. The setup — survivors of a plane crash find themselves stranded on a mysterious island that is or isn't of this known world — was pleasingly basic, as was the conceit to spend each episode looking into a character's pre-crash life.

It sucked you into the show, knowing the colorful back stories that brought each of them to that plane flight.

But with its good ratings, it's as if the show has become too protective of its own mystery, holding on to cards that were always somehow too valuable to play. Now it can all seem to me like an awful lot of schlepping to one side of the island and back again.

"Lost" began, rivetingly, with Jack (Matthew Fox), staring up at the sky, post-plane crash. The first season ended with him looking down a hole. Whatever is down that hole, it needs to make us feel that we're finally getting somewhere.

I think the writers have dug themselves some "holes" that they are now caught in. There are some plot lines that have been heading no where. Some plot lines are contradicting each other. Some plot lines have been abandoned. Some plot lines no longer make any sense.

I'm curious about this:
1. What are the "holes"?
2. What plot lines are heading nowhere?
3. What plot lines are contradicting each other?
4. What plot lines have been abandoned?
5. What plot lines no longer make any sense?

I'm not trying to argumentative... I'm just wondering so I can follow your train of thought.

ok, this is probably nothing, but when locke is looking up at "the monster" his eyes looked extremely blue, and i was just thinking, that his eyes were obviously redone, and maybe showing a reflection of what he was looking at? could someone get a screenshot and blow it up, maybe there's something there?

A few more points to ponder - a little humor anal"ness", sorry :)

1. Explosive liquid to blast raft looked like the same ooze Locke put on Boones head.
2. Why were the slaves still chained up?
3. Numbers on hatch looked pretty modern & clean.
4. Guy on boat didn't have any accent if he was from Frenchies team.
5. Doubt gasoline for outboard would keep for 16 years.
6. Why did Sayid take Charlie to plane?
7. The "others" can see in the dark and are physic. Shooting Sawyer in the dark and knowing her was going for gun.
8. "Black Rock" was in pretty good shape for being 2 miles inland uphill. Doubt tsunami put it there. Possible island rose up from below it??
9. Why all of a sudden did Claire new the baby Aaron?
10. They are down 1 gun & clip if Sawyer dropped while being shot.
11. I wonder how many "others" there are. Did we see all of them on the boat?
12. What is the connection w/ Ethan and Frenchie? Claire was abducted by Ethan, but Frenchie had the scratches from Claire?? huh?
13. Island looked so much bigger from the raft view than being on the island itself.

ok, I'm done. Can't think of any more at the moment.

8. "Black Rock" was in pretty good shape for being 2 miles inland uphill. Doubt tsunami put it there. Possible island rose up from below it??

This is my guess. Maybe the hatch is actually a submarine hatch from a sub that got beached, and then the shore carried sand and dirt on top of it as the island grew bigger.

12. What is the connection w/ Ethan and Frenchie? Claire was abducted by Ethan, but Frenchie had the scratches from Claire?? huh?

If I remember correctly, the first time that Clair felt someone was trying to hurt her baby was never said to be Ethan, but rather just assumed to be Ethan after he abducted Claire later. I could be wrong on this, but that's what I got out of it from the flashback scene.

~Alan

When the boat first pulls up, they start to celebrate on the raft. Sawyer does a slow spin while celebrating and the gun is visible tucked into the back of his pants. The others probably saw it with the light shining on him. The look on his face and him slowly reaching behind his back tipped them off that he was going for his gun.

> People have to admit. The Lost folks have used the web in a pretty cool
> manner. Dropping little tid bits all over the place for us to find.

Unless of course you prefer the plot of the TV show to unfold on, you know, TV.

"Interactive TV, Jack—wave of the future."
—Dennis Hopper, in Speed

:D :p :D

ok, this is probably nothing, but when locke is looking up at "the monster" his eyes looked extremely blue, and i was just thinking, that his eyes were obviously redone, and maybe showing a reflection of what he was looking at? could someone get a screenshot and blow it up, maybe there's something there?
Probably the reflection of a camera... ;)

That LA Times article is right on.

If they don't immediately reveal what's down there and wait instead until the Nov. sweeps, that just tells you it's the network deciding the course of the plot. Of course they do that all the time but people were drawn into this series because it was executed so well in the first few eps. So you would think the network didn't get hands-on until it became a big hit and they had a vested interest in keeping it a big success.

A lot of people probably were expecting the finale to show what's down there. Instead, they spent the whole 2-hours just getting to it.

They really need to give out a lot more info. about the Others and set them up as nemeses against which the survivors must devise ways to defend themselves.

This is the same route many series take, including my favorite . . . 24.

I have to admit, however, that many things that are happening on LOST are beginning to appear rather stupid and laughable.

I would think that any fan of "24" would have an unlimited tolerance for stupid and laughable plot twists.

Everyone seems to be assuming the people on the boat are the "others". I'm just not seeing it. That sorry lot gives only the options to "run, hide, or die"? They looked to me like the option to fight was a very real possibility, especially for all forty-some survivors together.

-Chris

Probably the reflection of a camera... ;)

and the camera man is one of the "others" :D

I keep wondering why there is this obsession with having all questions answered; all mysteries solved. Some of the best fiction I've read or viewed left some things for the reader's imagination to fill in. When the writer assumes he will be able to continue creating his work, he must leave something unsolved for later or else why would anyone bother to read chapter 3.

YMMV

Everyone seems to be assuming the people on the boat are the "others". I'm just not seeing it. That sorry lot gives only the options to "run, hide, or die"? They looked to me like the option to fight was a very real possibility, especially for all forty-some survivors together.

-Chris


Michael was on Kimmel Wednesday night with Hurley and he confirmed that the people that took Walt were "the others"

They could also be just some of the others.

Look, they've already changed the story from the original intentions. Remember, Jack was supposed to die very early in the show but the people they screened it to loved him so much they kept him alive. Pretty big dynamic shift. Kind of like keeping Carol Hathaway alive on E.R. So I'm not offended if they are altering the show as it goes along from the original intent, because frankly that can be a good thing. It would have been a lot less interesting without Jack I think.

Essentials: Locke, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Walt

Paul

1. Ooze looks like ooze.
2. Slaves are just property. And it's hard to get youself out of chains when you're chained up.
3. If etched into metal, and painted over they could be. Remember Locke and Boone spent a long time clearing out that hatch.
4. So it was an international scientific team.
5. Maybe it was a diesel engine that's running on alcohol now?
6. The writers needed to tempt Charlie. And it must have just been on the route to the fire.
7. Sawyer didn't duck and take cover when they cut the searchight -- he just stood there. And from where they were standing (behind the light instead of having it shined on them), they would have recovered their night vision sooner.
8. Possible. But a typhoon or hurricane is more likely.
9. In some cultures, they don't name their kid for a year because if it doesn't have a name, it's less likely the demons will come and take them away. Naming makes them all the more 'real'. Which would you rather snatch, "Turnip Head" or "Aaron"?
10. They can always find more from a shipwreck or crash.
11. We don't know yet. I suspect there are.
12. Alan hit it on the head. We also saw that Frenchie did this again. She heard the others were going to grab the boy and tried to grab him first. Perhaps she heard that they were going to try and grab Claire and tried to grab her first.
13. Yup. Gotta have more island to explore to hold more mysteries to run for more seasons. The Michael / Sawyer even said that they thought it was huge -- "how an island so big go undiscovered?" or something along those lines.

I think the web page has an interesting clue. At the bottom there's a reference to Oceanic flight 777 and you can get the aircraft outline to display an older plane, like from the 60's. Maybe the survivors that Boone contacted are survivors of another Oceanic flight, 777 that crashed many years ago. Also, the trailer for season 2 says that "on the other side of the island they'll discover that they may not be the survivors they think they are." I think they are connected to them in some way. I haven't come up with a theory how yet, but maybe they join forces to fight off whatever is out there.

Have I missed any thing?

That's definitely a very interesting take on everything.

I do think, always have, there's going to be a supernatural twist to the story in some form or another, whether we like it or not.

Only one thing. It seems apparent to me that "fate", "destiny" didn't want Hurley to end up on that island, and that he doesn't belong there like the others do. IMO, he's a key of somesort in solving the mysteries.

I think the web page has an interesting clue. At the bottom there's a reference to Oceanic flight 777 and you can get the aircraft outline to display an older plane, like from the 60's.
I think that older plane is the toy plane that is so dear to Kate. It shows up if you find Kate's seat on the chart.

I think that older plane is the toy plane that is so dear to Kate. It shows up if you find Kate's seat on the chart.

When you think about... there is still SO much to learn about all the characters.

Season 2, IMO could turn out to be a very interesting one.

I think that older plane is the toy plane that is so dear to Kate. It shows up if you find Kate's seat on the chart.


That's possible, and someone else suggested that the 777 refers to the type of plane they were on, but I still think the survivors on the other side of the island weren't on the same plane as the 815 survivors.

I don't think this is a spoiler since it has been so widely reported but Michelle Rodriguez is joining the cast next season. And she was on the same plane. so I think the other survivors will be from the same plane.

...Which would you rather snatch, "Turnip Head" or "Aaron"?


Depends on if I'm hungry or not. :p

Feels like I'm watching Twin Peaks again.......mysteries upon mysteries

That's definitely a very interesting take on everything.

I do think, always have, there's going to be a supernatural twist to the story in some form or another, whether we like it or not.

Only one thing. It seems apparent to me that "fate", "destiny" didn't want Hurley to end up on that island, and that he doesn't belong there like the others do. IMO, he's a key of somesort in solving the mysteries.


so you're saying that Hurley is the next to be "kidnapped" If so they're going to need ALL of the others to get him, if you catch my drift

Feels like I'm watching Twin Peaks again.......mysteries upon mysteries

If only they were coming up with new mysteries instead of milking the same old ones.

Hurley still doesn't talk about the numbers, even after the hatch is blown open.

so you're saying that Hurley is the next to be "kidnapped" If so they're going to need ALL of the others to get him, if you catch my drift

I think they others will want Hurley dead.

They could always eat him too. :eek:

9. Why all of a sudden did Claire new the baby Aaron?

In the "lost" Lost scene Claire already named the baby, she just didn't say the name of itfor fear of someone trying to
take him again.

Actually, this week's issue of TV Guide seemed like the creators actually have everything figured out.



~Alan

Well. . . yes, they plan several episodes in advance and have some basic plot structure for the whole series. However, a lot of people don't realize that they "modify" their original designs based upon reaction and feedback from executives and viewers. In other words, they change the plots as they go along.

Some of the plot changes have been pretty major. Originally, they had the monster as a prominent theme, but executives wanted it eliminated -- which it was for a time until viewers put on some pressure. The monster returned.

Some of the main characters were originally plotted to die, but were later rewritten to remain based upon feedback.

Some characters were seemingly thown in to add to the "mysteriousness" of the island, only to never be explained or re-visited (i.e. polar bears).

When I make these observations, some respond by implying that I am overly critical and that I don't like LOST. This is not true. LOST ranks just behind 24 as my favorite series. 24 has its own plot problems.

Just pointing out that the writers change elements of their plans as they go along based up ratings, viewer feedback and ABC executive demands.

Hurley still doesn't talk about the numbers, even after the hatch is blown open.
Well, between the time Hurley actually saw the numbers on the hatch and started screaming, "NO, THE NUMBERS ARE BAD!" to when Locke blew the hatch, to when all four are looking down the shaft and the episode ends, didn't really leave a whole lot of time for Hurley to explain...

I'm hoping, though, that a frank discussion about the numbers (and all the associated coincident manifestations of the numbers) takes place between Hurley, Jack, Kate and Locke before they decide to go down the rabbit hole. The four are not on an exploration trip, they're looking for a hiding place from the others, but Hurley needs to impress upon the others why this is bad—and he needs to do it forcefully, now, without wimping out...

—Dan

Well, he did tell Charlie that he was a multi-millonaire...

but that didn't go well...

Everyone seems to be assuming the people on the boat are the "others". I'm just not seeing it. That sorry lot gives only the options to "run, hide, or die"? They looked to me like the option to fight was a very real possibility, especially for all forty-some survivors together.

-Chris
From USA Today:
Lost (ABC)
Rating: * * * *

What happened: The island's mad Frenchwoman stole Claire's baby, but Charlie and Sayid got him back; Locke survived the monster and blew the lid off the hatch, though we didn't really get to see what's inside; and the raft was attacked by the "others," who kidnapped Walt and left the rest to drown.

wow ... how very disappointing. I'm surprised so many people here have said they enjoyed it.

This episode only had two saving graces ... 1. Leslie blowing himself up (that was CLASSIC!) and 2. the shocker that the others wanted walt instead of the baby (you'll notice danielle said she heard the others say they wanted 'the boy')


wo! I finally watched the finale and just now started reading this thread, but why are people assuming the boatbillies are the others? I think the boatbillies are another group under the yoke of the others. They took Walt as a sacrifice, the way Rousseau took Clare's baby.

wo! I finally watched the finale and just now started reading this thread, but why are people assuming the boatbillies are the others? I think the boatbillies are another group under the yoke of the others. They took Walt as a sacrifice, the way Rousseau took Clare's baby.

You need to go back and read some more.

Maybe Hurley didn't want the hatch open cause he knows he'll be the only one standing around when everyone else goes down! Does that fit? :p

You need to go back and read some more.

Just because some members of the cast believe that the people on the boat were "the others" doesn't mean that is correct. The cast is probably not privy to all of the writers' secrets and are just assuming.

It should cauterize the wound, but it might leave a mark ;)

Leave a mark, no doubt about that. That much gunpowder would probably render one eye blind and take 1/2 his forehead off. And with the tight skin on one's forehead, a wound like that would never heal properly. But then again, this is TV.

Yeah, I don't really understand what the "Locke problem" is, except a threat to Jack's leadership. What did he mean by that?

jack thinks locke is off his rocker. "the island brought us here" "the island wants us to open the hatch" "boone was a sacrifice that the island demanded" of course locke neglected to tell jack he couldn't walk before. whhat's jack supposed to think except he has another nutcase on his hands.

Just because some members of the cast believe that the people on the boat were "the others" doesn't mean that is correct. The cast is probably not privy to all of the writers' secrets and are just assuming.

If the boat people are not the others then where were the others when Danielle went to sacrifice the baby? She said they were coming for the boy.

I think this arguement "Others vs. Not the Others" is a bit like the one about Ethan breathing when they were burying the corpse.... over-analysis. They were obviously the Others and meant to be as Frenchie said they were whispering about taking 'the boy' right before Walt got snatched.... it's obvious.. at least to me and everyone I was watching with...

If only they were coming up with new mysteries instead of milking the same old ones.

Hurley still doesn't talk about the numbers, even after the hatch is blown open.Hmmm, first you complain that there's too many mysteries and too much stuff going on, and now you say they should start more new ones? IIRC, you've been complaining about the show since the very early pages of this thread. Didn't you start threatening to quit watching way back around ep 3-4? C'mon man, just do it already! :) You should cut your loses and bail now because you will never be satisfied and then we won't have to keep reading all your complaints!

ron

They were obviously the Others and meant to be as Frenchie said they were whispering about taking 'the boy' right before Walt got snatched.... it's obvious.. at least to me and everyone I was watching with...Not necessarily so. I've said this before about Ethan. Did Ethan, or the "boatbillys" strike you as the kind of entities that would be whispering in the jungle? Not at all! They're crude, rude and more likely doing the dirty work for some "other" entity if you ask me...

ron

Haven't seen this mentioned yet, but I think there's likely to be some significance next season in Sawyer's little vocal performance on the raft. He was singing Bob Marley's "Redemption Song."

Not long before that Michael said something about the only two reasons for Sawyer to be on that raft were becasue he wanted to be a hero or just wanted to die.

He may be our hero yet...maybe even the one to get Walt back.

Also, the trailer for season 2 says that "on the other side of the island they'll discover that they may not be the survivors they think they are." I think they are connected to them in some way. I haven't come up with a theory how yet, but maybe they join forces to fight off whatever is out there.

My simple theory:

They think that they are the sole survivors of Flight 815.

Plugging that into the trailer headline for season two:
They may not be the survivors they think they are, that is the sole survivors, meaning there are others.

He may be our hero yet...maybe even the one to get Walt back.
Actually several pages back I theorized that Sawyer is hanging off the side of the Pirates boat and will be the hero, returning with the boat and Walt and they will return to the island in the powerboat.

Well. . . yes, they plan several episodes in advance and have some basic plot structure for the whole series. However, a lot of people don't realize that they "modify" their original designs based upon reaction and feedback from executives and viewers. In other words, they change the plots as they go along.

Some of the plot changes have been pretty major. Originally, they had the monster as a prominent theme, but executives wanted it eliminated -- which it was for a time until viewers put on some pressure. The monster returned.

Some of the main characters were originally plotted to die, but were later rewritten to remain based upon feedback.

Hey, Jaleel White was only supposed to play Steve Urkel for one episode of Family Matters until they found out that the audience liked him... before you knew it, he was a regular cast member and eventually he was the main character. I have no problem with that, Jack's one of my favorite characters, and I'm glad he's on the show.

However, my point with that article were the qoutes about how they know the mythology, and whenever they break new writers in, they explain the mythology to them. To me, that means that there is a plan to the show, even though I'd still continue watching the show if they didn't just because I enjoy the trip and don't worry about where I'll end up. Unfortunately, the same can't be said for Alias which disappointed me with their season finale cliffhanger that seemed like they really are "lost."

~Alan

I don't think this is a spoiler since it has been so widely reported but Michelle Rodriguez is joining the cast next season. And she was on the same plane. so I think the other survivors will be from the same plane.

Actually, in the recent issue of TV Guide, the question of whether she was joining the cast was kind of dodged by J.J. Abrams, so whether or not she will be joining the cast or simply be a guest star again remains to be seen unless you've heard otherwise?!

~Alan

If the boat people are not the others then where were the others when Danielle went to sacrifice the baby? She said they were coming for the boy.

If Danielle heard the whispering in the jungle about the boy, the smuggler-looking guys on the boat probably did to, and were smart enough to figure out that this mean Walt, not the baby like Danielle assumed.

The real "others" never wanted the baby. When Danielle brought it to the fire (which she probably set herself), they didn't bother to show themselves. They stayed underground or wherever they really are.

They were obviously the Others and meant to be as Frenchie said they were whispering about taking 'the boy' right before Walt got snatched.... it's obvious.. at least to me and everyone I was watching with...

I'm thinking the smuggler guys are an independent third party and went after Walt for the same reason Danielle went after the baby, to offer him up as a sacrifice to the real "others" for something in return.

Actually several pages back I theorized that Sawyer is hanging off the side of the Pirates boat and will be the hero, returning with the boat and Walt and they will return to the island in the powerboat.

It did kind of look like he jumped in the water rather than fell, didn't it? Can someone who recorded the ep replay that scene and take another look?

Haven't seen this mentioned yet, but I think there's likely to be some significance next season in Sawyer's little vocal performance on the raft. He was singing Bob Marley's "Redemption Song."

Not long before that Michael said something about the only two reasons for Sawyer to be on that raft were becasue he wanted to be a hero or just wanted to die.

He may be our hero yet...maybe even the one to get Walt back.And to think, I figured they threw in the Marley song just to appease me! :cool:


The raft launching would seem to be the most obvious "Exodus" connection alright. I wonder if there's any chance we'll hear a Bob Marley tune sometime during the last two ep though?From the post I made a month and a half ago here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5447141&&#post5447141


Yeah, yeah, I know. Wrong song. They were just screwin' with me ;).

ron

If the underground mine is true, perhaps they need children because they're small enough to get whatever is in the mine...

I'm still wondering why Ethan took Claire and how does Danielle get involved. Claire remembers scratching Danielle's arm in what must have been her escape attempt. Knowing that Danielle was planning on giving the baby to the others in exchange for Alex, were Ethan and Danielle actually working together? Were the others ever actually interested in getting Claire's baby and if they were , what changed their mind? Why did they wait so long to grab Walt? He could have easily been grabbed at any point. Why wait until they were leaving on the raft?
The others aren't the ultimate bad characters here. They are more like possessed bodies that are controlled by somone or something else. In order to make this story line work, there has to be two forces at work here - good and evil. I think weve seen the tip of the evil (the others) and only a hint of the good (the whispers?). The crash survivors are just the pawns in this game and we have yet to see what lies beneath the island - literally.

It did kind of look like he jumped in the water rather than fell, didn't it? Can someone who recorded the ep replay that scene and take another look?
I replayed that scene. Sawyer spun around as if he had been shot on his left side, couldn't tell just where, and then went in the water headfirst, like the momentum made him lose his balance and he dove in rather than fall in. Didn't see him after that. The Korean guy then dove in after him, presumably to help him. Didn't see him again, either. The scene was so dark it is difficult to make out details.

A few more points to ponder - a little humor anal"ness", sorry :)

1. Explosive liquid to blast raft looked like the same ooze Locke put on Boones head.

Replaying that scene, the bomb used looked like a glass container holding a liquid, with a detonater (grenade?) strapped to it, but the liquid definately looked like gasoline or diesel fuel sloshing around. The motorboat looked like it was smaller than the raft, but the key is it had a motor which required fuel of some sort. Where they get the fuel is certainly a whole new plot-line (as though we need another ;) ).

Actually, I thing the writers have a template:

While searching in the jungle for food, [name of character] encounters [Rousseau/ the Others/ the Monster] and narrowly escapes. [S/he] comes upon [the hatch/ the smuggler’s plane/ the Black Rock] and makes a startling discovery (not shown to the audience) that could answer many questions about [the island/ Rousseau/ the Others/ the Black Rock]. However, [s/he] decides to keep this information to [him/herself].

In a startling backstory, we discover that [name of character] is in reality the [brother/sister/mother/father] of [name of character].

Although they seemed to be at odds with one another at first, [name of character] finds that [s/he] is beginning to respect [name of character]. [S/he] is about to tell [name of character] this when suddenly [the Others/Rousseau/the Monster/a boar] springs out of the jungle and carries [name of character] away. A rescue party is quickly organized. While walking through the jungle [name of character] hears [whispers/a strange mechanical sound]. Turning around quickly [s/he] sees [the numbers/a wisp of black smoke/], and decides to tell the rest of the group about this. Just as [s/he] is about to do this [s/he] is grabbed by [Rousseau/the Monster/the Others/a boar] and dragged off into the jungle. With two people now mysteriously abducted by [the Others/the Monster/a boar/Rousseau] they decide to head for [the beach/the cave] and not tell the rest of the group what has happened. Hurley says "dude".

Danielle said when she saw the black smoke that the "others" came for her baby. I'm wondering if the black smoke she was talking about is the black smoke Jack and Kate saw in the jungle and not the smoke from the fire. Maybe the "others" generate this black smoke.

Just a theory.

octavian

Too much undercooked Boar...

Danielle said when she saw the black smoke that the "others" came for her baby. I'm wondering if the black smoke she was talking about is the black smoke Jack and Kate saw in the jungle and not the smoke from the fire. Maybe the "others" generate this black smoke.

Just a theory.

octavian

she said she saw black smoke, 5 kilometers in length, so it can't be the stuff in the jungle.

Everyone seems to be assuming the people on the boat are the "others". I'm just not seeing it. That sorry lot gives only the options to "run, hide, or die"? They looked to me like the option to fight was a very real possibility, especially for all forty-some survivors together.

-Chris
So these others could be the other "others"? I wish someone would come out and say who the hell they are. Hurley about the numbers, Locke was paralyzed, ect. ect.
Guess is seasons 8&9 we may get some answers.

1. Ooze looks like ooze.
2. Slaves are just property. And it's hard to get youself out of chains when you're chained up.
3. If etched into metal, and painted over they could be. Remember Locke and Boone spent a long time clearing out that hatch.
4. So it was an international scientific team.
5. Maybe it was a diesel engine that's running on alcohol now?
6. The writers needed to tempt Charlie. And it must have just been on the route to the fire.
7. Sawyer didn't duck and take cover when they cut the searchight -- he just stood there. And from where they were standing (behind the light instead of having it shined on them), they would have recovered their night vision sooner.
8. Possible. But a typhoon or hurricane is more likely.
9. In some cultures, they don't name their kid for a year because if it doesn't have a name, it's less likely the demons will come and take them away. Naming makes them all the more 'real'. Which would you rather snatch, "Turnip Head" or "Aaron"?
10. They can always find more from a shipwreck or crash.
11. We don't know yet. I suspect there are.
12. Alan hit it on the head. We also saw that Frenchie did this again. She heard the others were going to grab the boy and tried to grab him first. Perhaps she heard that they were going to try and grab Claire and tried to grab her first.
13. Yup. Gotta have more island to explore to hold more mysteries to run for more seasons. The Michael / Sawyer even said that they thought it was huge -- "how an island so big go undiscovered?" or something along those lines.

There's one in every crowd. :p

Maybe the hatch is actually a submarine hatch from a sub that got beached, and then the shore carried sand and dirt on top of it as the island grew bigger.
A submarine doesn't have a hatch that's 30+ feet tall/deep, unless it is one huge submarine.

Actually, I thing the writers have a template:

While searching in the jungle for food, ....... Hurley says "dude".

Dude, that template/explanation/outline/thumbnail sketch was awesome!
http://members.shaw.ca/wenpigsfly/smileys/thumb.gif

Some thoughts about the "seabillies" and their boat (some of this has been alluded to in other posts):

1. Their accents were American (USA) or possibly Canadian -- didn't Ethan say he was from Ontario?

2. Their boat was too small to be traversing the Pacific -- in fact, Michael's raft was probably more capable of a long ocean voyage than the "seabillies" boat, but it was powered by gasoline. Unless there is an oil well and a refinery on the island, there must be some contact with the outside world to get fuel.

3. If there is some contact with the outside world, "the government" must have something to do with the things happening on the island. Even if the island were entirely privately owned, it would still fall within the jurisdication of some government. And a plane crash would bring that government to the rescue unless it had something to do with keeping the island and the things happening there a secret.

The gasoline would be from the expedition ship that crashed 16 years earlier. They probably had to bring enough to run their generators for the equipment they brought.

jack thinks locke is off his rocker. "the island brought us here" "the island wants us to open the hatch" "boone was a sacrifice that the island demanded" of course locke neglected to tell jack he couldn't walk before. whhat's jack supposed to think except he has another nutcase on his hands.

Yes, why doesn't Locke tell anyone about his legs miraculously functioning after the crash? Jack might rethink things if he knew that bit of info. And didn't any of the survivors see them carrying Locke onto the plane?

It seems apparent to me that "fate", "destiny" didn't want Hurley to end up on that island, and that he doesn't belong there like the others do. IMO, he's a key of somesort in solving the mysteries.

If you accept the concept of fate, then if Hurley wasn't supposed to get on the plane, then he wouldn't have been on it.

Actually, I thing the writers have a template:

While searching in the jungle for food, [name of character] encounters [Rousseau/ the Others/ the Monster] and narrowly escapes. [S/he] comes upon [the hatch/ the smuggler’s plane/ the Black Rock] and makes a startling discovery (not shown to the audience) that could answer many questions about [the island/ Rousseau/ the Others/ the Black Rock]. However, [s/he] decides to keep this information to [him/herself].

In a startling backstory, we discover that [name of character] is in reality the [brother/sister/mother/father] of [name of character].

Although they seemed to be at odds with one another at first, [name of character] finds that [s/he] is beginning to respect [name of character]. [S/he] is about to tell [name of character] this when suddenly [the Others/Rousseau/the Monster/a boar] springs out of the jungle and carries [name of character] away. A rescue party is quickly organized. While walking through the jungle [name of character] hears [whispers/a strange mechanical sound]. Turning around quickly [s/he] sees [the numbers/a wisp of black smoke/], and decides to tell the rest of the group about this. Just as [s/he] is about to do this [s/he] is grabbed by [Rousseau/the Monster/the Others/a boar] and dragged off into the jungle. With two people now mysteriously abducted by [the Others/the Monster/a boar/Rousseau] they decide to head for [the beach/the cave] and not tell the rest of the group what has happened. Hurley says "dude".

Absolutely fantastic Peter --- and you might be right! "Dude" indeed!

A submarine doesn't have a hatch that's 30+ feet tall/deep, unless it is one huge submarine.


Several US subs will hold 116 crewmembers, 154 Tomahawk missiles and 40+ torpedos. Subs are much larger than you think. The ones equipped for vertical missile launches would by necessity need to be 30 foot tall.

Yeah, but not with one continous shaft from deck to keel. I would think.

Several US subs will hold 116 crewmembers, 154 Tomahawk missiles and 40+ torpedos. Subs are much larger than you think. The ones equipped for vertical missile launches would by necessity need to be 30 foot tall.

Hatches on subs aren't square on the inside are they?

Hatches on subs aren't square on the inside are they?

I could answer that, but then I'd have to exile you to some unknown island.......

Several US subs will hold 116 crewmembers, 154 Tomahawk missiles and 40+ torpedos. Subs are much larger than you think. The ones equipped for vertical missile launches would by necessity need to be 30 foot tall.
I realize how big subs are, but their top hatch shaft aren't 30+ feet. The entire submarine are typically a bit over 30 feet tall.

Having spent 4 years on two different subs, one "boomer" and one "fast attack" I can tell you that if they intended it to be a sub they did a poor job.

The gasoline would be from the expedition ship that crashed 16 years earlier. They probably had to bring enough to run their generators for the equipment they brought.

Gasoline won't last a year w/o going bad. Maybe just a year if you added Sta-bil to it.

Diesel is even worse at keeping from going bad. Diesel fuel is subject to both oxidation and microorganism growth. Diesel molecules may react with oxygen and other elements to form completely different molecules that can quickly build up to create gummy residues and varnishes.

So the "Deliverance Others" either have a refinery or they are pirating pleasure crafts that are crossing the Pacific. Because I'm pretty sure there were outboards on the boat, but don't have the ep recorded to check. I know of no Diesel outboards but sure they are possilbe.

Maybe there's a pipeline to the island along with the power cable :D

Several US subs will hold 116 crewmembers, 154 Tomahawk missiles and 40+ torpedos. Subs are much larger than you think. The ones equipped for vertical missile launches would by necessity need to be 30 foot tall.


I spent 6 years on a nuc sub and trust me, that's no sub hatch. If it turns out to be a sub hatch, they really got their schematics screwed up.

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I could answer that, but then I'd have to exile you to some unknown island.......

Well, I'm no expert, but a square hatch just seems a waste of space on a boat that must maximize the available space in every single thing they design. A cylinder would use less volume than a square shape given the same width/diameter if I remember my geometry.

Also, on the first watching of the last episode I got the impression that the inside of the hatch was conrete as the camera panned slowly down. After watching it again off the Tivo, I'm not so sure, it could be steel too.

So......who can speculate what the "glow" was coming from the hatch that Locke was staring into several epidsode before. The hatch at that time was was totally sealed.

Is there any importance to the fact that the outside "evil" elements such as the monster and the "others" use black smoke as their sign while the inside of the hatch was using a white glow?

It appears to me that a very basic theme of this show is the "evil" aspects on the island are represented by black while the good aspects are represented by white. If true, the black smoke signs from the monster and others are evil, while what's down the hatch must be good because of the white glow. True?

Assuming diesel, maybe they are using vegetable oil for fuel. Bio-diesel?

I don't have the episode with the engine destruction archived, was the 'ghost smoke' accidentally sucked into and destroyed by the engine, or was it a purposeful act that left it unscathed?

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The boat's outboard did not sound at all like a diesel engine.

Yes, why doesn't Locke tell anyone about his legs miraculously functioning after the crash? Jack might rethink things if he knew that bit of info.

That isn't necessarily a supernatural event. The impact of the crash could have jarred something inside his body that caused his legs to start working again. Stranger things have happened in real life, and we know that Locke had been rigorous in his physical therapy to prevent muscle atrophy while he was preparing for his Australian walkabout. I'm sure Jack could come up with a valid medical explanation.

And didn't any of the survivors see them carrying Locke onto the plane?

No, he was carried onto the plane before the regular passengers started boarding.

A submarine doesn't have a hatch that's 30+ feet tall/deep, unless it is one huge submarine.

As much as I hate to admit it, I wrote a theory that I came up with before the ending of the Season Finale (when they were talking about the Black Rock being that far on the land), and forgot that the part with them looking down the hatch discounted that theory. Now, I'm going to keep my head hanging down as I walk away...

~Alan

And didn't any of the survivors see them carrying Locke onto the plane?

Unfortunately, we tend to live in a society in which people either tend to stare at those different than us (handicapped), or simply ignore them trying to compensate for their own instinct telling them to stare.

However, Josh Z was partially correct in his statement regarding Locke boarding the plane before the "regular" passengers boarded as their was only a few people on the plane when Locke was being carried inside, and it was nobody I recognized. Still, if any of them had survived, you would think that if they had noticed, they would have said something about the handicapped dude walking... especially after Jack and Locke's fight regarding Boone several weeks ago.

~Alan

Unfortunately, we tend to live in a society in which people either tend to stare at those different than us (handicapped), or simply ignore them trying to compensate for their own instinct telling them to stare.

However, Josh Z was partially correct in his statement regarding Locke boarding the plane before the "regular" passengers boarded as their was only a few people on the plane when Locke was being carried inside, and it was nobody I recognized. Still, if any of them had survived, you would think that if they had noticed, they would have said something about the handicapped dude walking... especially after Jack and Locke's fight regarding Boone several weeks ago.

~Alan

I thought the same thing about no one noticing Locke walking when on the island, and mentioned it to my Wife. Even though he boarded the plan early, you would think at least some of the survivors would have seen him in the airport. He was still in his wheelchair right up until they carried him into the plane; and most people flying get to the gate way before the plane takes off.

So......who can speculate what the "glow" was coming from the hatch that Locke was staring into several epidsode before. The hatch at that time was was totally sealed.

Is there any importance to the fact that the outside "evil" elements such as the monster and the "others" use black smoke as their sign while the inside of the hatch was using a white glow?

It appears to me that a very basic theme of this show is the "evil" aspects on the island are represented by black while the good aspects are represented by white. If true, the black smoke signs from the monster and others are evil, while what's down the hatch must be good because of the white glow. True?

Sounds like a good theory, but if what's inside the hatch is good; then why did Walt have such a negative reaction to opening it (as he is supposed to have some kind of special abilties)?

Many people use wheelchairs temporarily, for minor injuries that would be very inconvenient on a major airport jetway. If anyone had seen Locke in the chair they may have dismissed it.
Or really, you see in a passing glance, a man in a wheelchair, who you do not know or recognize, several hours later your airliner Breaks up at 35,000 ft. and you survive??? Ya know what? That could have been your Mother in the wheelchair, but you are not sure of anything.

It appears to me that a very basic theme of this show is the "evil" aspects on the island are represented by black while the good aspects are represented by white. If true, the black smoke signs from the monster and others are evil, while what's down the hatch must be good because of the white glow. True?

I think the black vs white has been a sub-theme (of many) ever since the black and white stones that appeared a couple times early on. But I'm not sure we can generalize that to the light in the hatch.

- Tom

Sounds like a good theory, but if what's inside the hatch is good; then why did Walt have such a negative reaction to opening it (as he is supposed to have some kind of special abilties)?

Why is everyone assuming that Walt is inherently good? We know he scares grown men (Brian), kills birds, might have had something to do with his mom's death, burned down the raft, and was playing backgammon with Locke... I don't remember what color he was when he played, does anyone? I am very unpopular at work, because, earlier when speculating who we'd like to have killed on the island out of the cast... I always pick Walt... I know he's a kid.. but I just think his actions are extremely troublesome, and he will eventually go to the "dark side" given enough influence. i think the baby's name might show that, too.. as the baby might be able to bring them out of the darkness... etc...

Just a heads-up for anyone who missed it (both the show and the earlier post) the finale will be on again at 8:00 tonight.

That isn't necessarily a supernatural event. The impact of the crash could have jarred something inside his body that caused his legs to start working again. Stranger things have happened in real life, and we know that Locke had been rigorous in his physical therapy to prevent muscle atrophy while he was preparing for his Australian walkabout. I'm sure Jack could come up with a valid medical explanation.



No, he was carried onto the plane before the regular passengers started boarding.

Airlines will let you get a preboarding pass if you have a disability and Locke probably got one of those passes. You get to bypass the lines and board before they begin checkin for the flight, as long as the plane is at the gate.

Some random thoughts/observations after watching the repeat:

The thing that grabbed Locke was hard to get a good look at, even in freeze frame, but it looked like a rope or chain around his leg. Definitely sounded mechanical, like the chain on a rollercoater that pulls you up the first hill.

If I had $160 million, I would fly 1st class, especially if I was the size of Hurley. But he was booked into seat 20G, and then they made him buy another one. He said "I'll take the one next to it." Then she said "Ah, here's two together." When he got on, he definitely didn't sit in row 20. It might have been 23 though.

The seabillies definitely had a motor boat. It was very small. And, when it pulled away with Walt, you could get a very clear look at the stern, which was even illuminated by two lights. The boat had no name on it.

Locke boarded early, with the other disabled passengers. There was one guy with a walker, and another one had a plastic brace around his knee. I wonder how Locke expected to go to the bathroom on a 14 hour flight. I flew from Europe to the States, then back to Europe, and on to the Middle East with a broken leg once upon a time and it was not fun. I can't imagine doing it with my entire lower body paralyzed.

The device thrown onto the raft was a jar of yellowish liquid (probably gasoline) with a fragmentation grenade taped to it.

The shaft down from the hatch was definitely square, which is odd since the outside is elliptical. It also looked concrete-lined. The rungs on the ladder looked like they might go all the way, but many were broken.

I never noticed what a nice rack Sun has until now. Claire too, now that she isn't preggers. Oh, why was Kate wearing three shirts in 90 degree heat?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I sure would like to see a map of the island, or at least the part we know about. There are so many things out there now - the beach, the caves, the hatch, the drug plane, the Black Rock, Rousseau's bunker, the cable, the waterfall where Kate and Sawyer went swimming and found the case of guns, the transmission tower?, and now the far beach where Rousseau set the beacon. And why don't they have a beacon putting out a big column of smoke too?

-Chris

I don't know how this works, whether it is local or network, but while watching Lost tonight the picture failed to return to widescreen after the commercials when the segment started with Hurley sleeping in his hotel room. It didn't return to widescreen for about 20 minutes until Jack was talking with Kate after the fuse was set on the dynamite on the hatch. Did anyone else experience this? I know it happened for a moment last Wednesday night.

We get that periodically here in Tampa on various stations. There's also the occasional 5.1 feed which gets improperly handled, and all you get is left and right surround (no dialog).

I don't know if that is caused by a failure of a guy in the station to flip the switch from SD feed to HD (or in the case of the sound, form stereo to DD 5.1); or if there is some kind of auto-switching that is supposed to happen which sometimes malfunctions. Either way, very annoying.

So......who can speculate what the "glow" was coming from the hatch that Locke was staring into several epidsode before. The hatch at that time was was totally sealed.

Well, if you like the underground mine theory, maybe it was a light from one of the rail cars.

That isn't necessarily a supernatural event. The impact of the crash could have jarred something inside his body that caused his legs to start working again. Stranger things have happened in real life, and we know that Locke had been rigorous in his physical therapy to prevent muscle atrophy while he was preparing for his Australian walkabout. I'm sure Jack could come up with a valid medical explanation.

When things like that happen, the doctors rarely have a medical explanation for it. But I agree that Jack may be able to rationalize it in his mind somehow.

The question remains though why Locke would not mention the event to anyone (except Boone I think when they ran into the smuggler's plane and he starting losing the use of his legs). Perhaps he's like the rest of the cast, trying to put their past behind them, or a least keep it to themselves.. Or perhaps there's a deeper reason. There's obviously still a lot of mystery surrounding Locke.

No, he was carried onto the plane before the regular passengers started boarding.

I watched this part again and you're correct, he boarded early. But I find it odd that no one else was in the gate area waiting to board. Usually people are standing around impatiently waiting to get on. There is a scene before that when Michael is on a pay phone, you see Locke roll by in his wheelchair. Michael is facing the other direction and he's the only survivor you see in the same shot with Locke until after Locke has boarded.

If I had $160 million, I would fly 1st class, especially if I was the size of Hurley. But he was booked into seat 20G, and then they made him buy another one.

Maybe first class was booked up by the time he bought his ticket? Hurley was desperate to get back to LA for his mother's birthday and couldn't wait for another flight with first class availability.

I wonder how Locke expected to go to the bathroom on a 14 hour flight. I flew from Europe to the States, then back to Europe, and on to the Middle East with a broken leg once upon a time and it was not fun. I can't imagine doing it with my entire lower body paralyzed.

Locke seems to have great powers of concentration and discipline. I bet he could go 14 hours without peeing if he wanted to. He fancied himself a wild game hunter, and such people need to be able to wait in hiding for long periods of time without leaving their scent for animals to smell.

I never noticed what a nice rack Sun has until now.

Check out a Korean action movie she starred in called Shiri. Very yummy.

The question remains though why Locke would not mention the event to anyone (except Boone I think when they ran into the smuggler's plane and he starting losing the use of his legs). Perhaps he's like the rest of the cast, trying to put their past behind them, or a least keep it to themselves.. Or perhaps there's a deeper reason. There's obviously still a lot of mystery surrounding Locke.

I think Locke feels a lot of shame about his disability. He believes it's a sign of weakness and would undermine his position in the camp as expert outdoorsman if people knew.

I've gone on an 18hr flight without even standing up, so 14 without peeing is possible :P

I've gone on an 18hr flight without even standing up, so 14 without peeing is possible :P

Ever have a blood clot? That's a damn long time without moving around. Greatly increasing the risk by not at least standing up.

I've gone on an 18hr flight without even standing up, so 14 without peeing is possible :P

wasn't that how quayle got a life threatening deep vein thrombosis?

Ever have a blood clot? That's a damn long time without moving around. Greatly increasing the risk by not at least standing up.

That is how that embedded NBC reporter in Iraq died. Sure, it can be done, but why would one want to risk it if the dangers are known.

I noticed a couple of details from the last episode I haven't seen mentioned yet. The flag on the motorized boat appeared to be a Divers Flag (Red with a diagonal white stripe although it was lowered so impossible to be sure. If it was not a divers flag but a general nautical flag and was missing the white stripe it would mean: "I am taking on or discharging explosives". Heh heh, this may be more likely concerning the events that occurred! :) The woman who threw the explosive device onto the raft was wearing dog tags, indicating some type of current or former military affiliation. Lastly the boat appeared to have a single inboard motor but the wake was so disturbed by the waves it might have been dual inboard engines. I'm failrly sure the boat was a 1986 MV Cheviot II.


None of this may be useful but on Lost who knows?

Is ABC re-airing the first season during the summer?

Is ABC re-airing the first season during the summer?

I have read that there will be reruns, but not necessarily every episode. There are only 18 Wednesdays between now through September. Evidently there will be some shown back to back and it would be nice if all were shown, but it is still unknown. The thought might be to not show them all in order to get people to buy the dvd set.

They are going to be showing part 1 of the pilot this Wednesday, and part 2 next week. I'm not sure about after that.

If you accept the concept of fate, then if Hurley wasn't supposed to get on the plane, then he wouldn't have been on it.

But think of it like the movie Final Destination, where the kids cheated death, and death had to catch up to them.

Why show Hurley's struggles to get on that flight if it was nothing than comic relief? IMHO, we were meant to see how hard it was for him to overcome so many unlucky things to finally get aboard.

I thought the same thing about no one noticing Locke walking when on the island, and mentioned it to my Wife. Even though he boarded the plan early, you would think at least some of the survivors would have seen him in the airport. He was still in his wheelchair right up until they carried him into the plane; and most people flying get to the gate way before the plane takes off.
Personally, I don't think I've ever paid attention to anybody getting on a plane, other than the rude ones who block the aisle for 15 minutes trying to find just that perfect spot in the overhead compartment...

I probably would have noticed someone being carried onto a plane, but it's simple: They rolled Locke down the jetway and carried him from there. Much less lifting, and no one standing inside the terminal would have seen him.

Remember, after the crash, Locke's wheelchair was being used to tote firewood; so it was on the plane with him. It was just too wide to fit down the aisles.

--Dan

she said she saw black smoke, 5 kilometers in length, so it can't be the stuff in the jungle.
She said "5 kilometers inland"...

The shaft down from the hatch was definitely square, which is odd since the outside is elliptical. It also looked concrete-lined. The rungs on the ladder looked like they might go all the way, but many were broken.
The ladder stopped 7 rungs down; only the top 4 (a magic number) were intact.

Looks to me like the lower part of the ladder was removed/ripped out, by whatever entity bent the bottom 3 rungs of the section remaining.

I'm thinking the shaft is an escape trunk leading to whatever underground (research) facility is down there.



I never noticed what a nice rack Sun has until now. Claire too, now that she isn't preggers.
I concur!



why was Kate wearing three shirts in 90 degree heat?
So she could give one to Leslie and still have two for herself! :)

--Dan

I don't know about the rest of you, but I sure would like to see a map of the island, or at least the part we know about. There are so many things out there now - the beach, the caves, the hatch, the drug plane, the Black Rock, Rousseau's bunker, the cable, the waterfall where Kate and Sawyer went swimming and found the case of guns, the transmission tower?, and now the far beach where Rousseau set the beacon. And why don't they have a beacon putting out a big column of smoke too?

-Chris

I wonder if we'll see a LOST video game for PS3 and XBOX 360?

I wonder if we'll see a LOST video game for PS3 and XBOX 360?

As popular as LOST is, and since it would probably make a good game, I am pretty sure you will eventually see it as a game.

Preview for Lost season 2

http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm

Click the numbers in that magical sequence, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42. Don't click the seat, just the #'sThere are also some interesting tidbits if you click around. I get the following people and seats, with the associated animations:

8E - Carlyle Boone - Picture fades to black
8F - Shannon Rutherford - Rousseau's paper; Sayid's (Jarrah) passport
23A/23C - Jack Sheppard - 23A moves to 23C, next to Rose in 23D; vodka; Oceanic 777 changes to Oceanic 815 (flash of flight815.com, but page doesn't exist)
23D - Rose (no last name) - wedding ring
24D - John Locke - knives, John, noise
27H - Kate Ryan - mug shots; model airplane at bottom
27G - Marshal (Edward Mars) - Department of Justice ID
29C - Charlie Pace - Claire's diary page (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=38030&stc=1 ) ; Drive Shaft pass

Conspicuosly absent:
Sayid, Hurley, Michael, Walt, Sun, Jin, Sawyer, Claire, Steve/Scott, Arzt, etc.

Anyone find these?

Xesdeeni

Whenever I click on that hyperlink to go to the Oceanic Airlines home page, all I get (instead of the seating chart) is a big blue box superimposed over the center of the screen with:
"Loading Seating Chart Information. Please wait a moment..."

How is this thing supposed to work??

When Hurley was working so hard to get on the plane, I didn't think it was fate keeping him off, I thought it was his good luck- it did its level best to keep him off the island, he just worked around it.

I'll bet that woman who opened the jetway had to take a shower. ;-)

your airliner Breaks up at 35,000 ft. and you survive???

Maybe it is just me, but I keep getting my buttons pushed with posts such as this.

Where did you see an altimeter reading prior to or during the plane crash?

The only facts we have about the crash are that the plane's tail broke off and some people survived - most likely way less than 50% of the passengers based on the number of passengers and the size of the plane. We do not know the altitude when the tail broke off nor do we know what caused the plane to break up in the first place.

Maybe it is just me, but I keep getting my buttons pushed with posts such as this.

Where did you see an altimeter reading prior to or during the plane crash?

The only facts we have about the crash are that the plane's tail broke off and some people survived - most likely way less than 50% of the passengers based on the number of passengers and the size of the plane. We do not know the altitude when the tail broke off nor do we know what caused the plane to break up in the first place.

Sayid claimed that was the altitude when commenting on how unlikely it was that any of them survived.