I'm getting HD no problem, but no digital sound output to my 6.1 receiver.

No!!!

I missed the first 10 minutes of the 8 'o clock special coming back from dinner.

But from what I've seen, as for the show it looks like I've never seen anything that hasn't happened on the island (all the people's flashbacks)

BTW did they ever show the actual plane crash, cause that's what I really wanted to see

My worst fear, thunderstorm warning weather alert on my local ABC affiliate! Is it in HD? Awww forget it, they just interrupted again :( Unreal!Show those weather graphics... yes it's Summer (well close enough) we know it rains... :rolleyes:

BTW did they ever show the actual plane crash, cause that's what I really wanted to seeNo... just breaking up in the air and then Jack coming to... flat on his back!

The nice thing about continuing this thread is the # of views makes it an easy thread to spot :eek:

Show those weather graphics... yes it's Summer (well close enough) we know it rains... :rolleyes:We saw maybe 30 seconds of the program. The weather guys are peeing in their pants they are so excited. Looks like no Lost tonight, tornados, hail, looks dark as midnight at 7:30pm.

It seems like all the main characters featured had to fight to get on that plane, kinda ironic huh? :)

Anyone watching the Jet Blue airline trying to land at LAX right now?

Anyone watching the Jet Blue airline trying to land at LAX right now?

Hmm just checked on CNN, don't have all the info yet though, still checking...

Malfunctioning landing gear.

Got stuck after takeoff and now the front wheel is sideways...

man how scary would that be

lost in 15!!

Anyone watching the Jet Blue airline trying to land at LAX right now?

Yes, I'm guessing coverage of that is pre-empting programming throughout Southern California. All the LA stations are (probably) covering it. ABC, CBS and NBC stations in San Diego covering it.

Everything pre-empted until the plane lands.

Watching broadcast at 5:55 PM PDT, they just announced plane will be landing in about 4 minutes. They announced a landing about 1/2 hour ago, but nothing happened then.

Still waiting...

The boy in the bubble, that's cool.

Ok where's the spoilers thread?

that was friggin awesome!!!!

Ok where's the spoilers thread?

that was friggin awesome!!!!

Amen to that brother - i haven't read these lost threads since the 3rd or fourth episode last year because I was afraid of the spoilers.

But that opening sequence just made my hair stand up on end -- and I had to stop back in and post! :-)

OT: anyone know where a live video feed of the airplane is (LAX) want to keep tabs while watching LOST.

LAX situation...

now 6:10 PM PDT, still waiting for the plane to land. May have been cleared for final approach.

Still waiting...

OT: anyone know where a live video feed of the airplane is (LAX) want to keep tabs while watching LOST.

Huh? What airplane?

Edit: Never mind - I hadn't heard anything til just now.

I thought there was a seperate thread, but can't find it.

I so wanna talk about the hatch :)

and now even more stuff...

6:22 PM PDT, LAX

Plane just touched down. Very smooth landing. Nose gear never turned, but got burned off. Plane came to a smooth stop. No fire. All looks OK.

Found a live feed at FOXNEWS.COM if anyone cares.

I should update. Nose gear TIRES got burned off, not the nose gear itself. It stayed in place.

FYI, plane is an Airbus A320, Jet Blue flight 292 scheduled from Burbank to New York JFK.

They're bringing the ladder up so that people can deboard. No emergency slides were needed.

what happend in the first 15min of the episode tonight, just started watching?

A LOT!!!!

heh....

you really missed the mother load :)

LOL..dont be mean now

I wonder why they never threw a tourch down there, unsure what would happen?

because when they dropped a stone, it splashed.

DOH! Missed first 20 mins of this because of weather guys talking about tornadoes in the metro area. Guess I'll have to find a torrent of this. Was the preview episode worth watching if you already saw season 1?

oh yeah with the nice demo from jack, I see why, the water just puts it out

Is it Desmond? Guess it was.

...jack goes into the hatch..and then....NO SIGNAL

ARGHHH :mad: :mad: :mad:

what happend???

He found Locke and a guy pointing a gun to his head but I dunno who that guy was.

I was having signal problems as well and had to switch back to SD cable, ugh...

The weather really messes with my OTA, it was fine until 9:15 :(

Looks around, finds some stuff and then Locke shows up with Desmond holding a gun to his (Locke's) head (the quick & dirty version)

BTW, Desmond was the guy from Jack's past. The guy running the stadium with him

Looked like the guy was the same guy from the stadium steps. If that was Desmond - then I'd agree with ftboomer.

who is Desmond? one of the survivors? Im a bit fuzzy on last season...

nm..thanks for the answer

Hmm, so how did the guy from the steps get into a hatch on that island...

Also I wonder if that guy had something to do with the girls legs magically fine...

Anyone notice in the beginning of the show, when they were showing the "apartment," that everything looked retro except for the washer and dryer which looked state of the art?

Looks around, finds some stuff and then Locke shows up with Desmond holding a gun to his (Locke's) head (the quick & dirty version)

BTW, Desmond was the guy from Jack's past. The guy running the stadium with him
Hey, what happened to the "no spoilers"? hehehe

Yeah I was thinking it was a flashback to the Black Rock 16 years ago until the washer & dryer came on screen. Those are circa 2002 or later.

I assume everyone noticed the girl in surgery was Jack's wife.

Anyone notice in the beginning of the show, when they were showing the "apartment," that everything looked retro except for the washer and dryer which looked state of the art?


I saw that too, they were the new front loading $1000 type.

Hey, what happened to the "no spoilers"? hehehe


I thought it was only a spoiler if the show hadn't aired yet.

Once aired it's fair game.

Yeah I was thinking it was a flashback to the Black Rock 16 years ago until the washer & dryer came on screen. Those are circa 2002 or later.

I assume everyone noticed the girl in surgery was Jack's wife.


Ya, the dancing at the wedding thing gave her away

Anyone notice in the beginning of the show, when they were showing the "apartment," that everything looked retro except for the washer and dryer which looked state of the art?

I was thinking that it was a mix of retro and new stuff. I thought some stuff in the kitchen looked new, too (like the blender maybe?). But I agree - the washer and dryer were VERY new models. And a lot of the other stuff looked old - records, excercise bike, computer, etc...

I will have to watch my SD Tivo and watch that sequence again.

So do you guys think Walt was really there or was the girl (sorry dont have all the characters memorized yet) seeing a vision

We got that washer & dryer at Sears delivered on 9/11/2001 - only available as a Kenmore model in Black or White. The colors weren't available until 2002 from Whirlpool.

all I can say is wow ... finally an episode that gives up a good ratio for questions andswered to new questions raised (though a few more could have been answered).

It seems everything that could be 'supernatural' ends up having a very scientific cause ... i'm starting to expect everything to have a scientific, 'real world' explination.

At least now we know that hurley was a PATIENT at the hospital (guess I was wrong there) ... now the question is why.

So do you guys think Walt was really there or was the girl (sorry dont have all the characters memorized yet) seeing a vision

Think it was a vision. Seemed like the voice wasn't matching up to the "body".

In the first few minutes when Desmond gives himself a shot of something pause it when they show the bottles in the cabinet. "The Numbers" are on the bottles!!

Is Desmond some kind of experiment and the numbers are his ID?

At least now we know that hurley was a PATIENT at the hospital (guess I was wrong there) ... now the question is why.

He only said he was at a mental hospital - not necessarily admitted.

The last segment seemed to only have rear-channel audio for me. (I only have a stereo receiver, so those sounds were still coming from the front speakers, but it was all "background noise', no dialog, barely audible music. I'm assuming by the replies here that it was a local issue...

WMTW OTA, Portland Maine.

Wow! What an opening. A lot more revealed than I expected would be. Pretty weird, even for Lost; but the guy turning out to be the stadium guy is really weird.

No previews, either; guess they are saving everything.

At least we know where the power cable goes :)

Oh, and now I feel stupid, cuz I didn't notice it was Jack's wife.

I was also a bit surprised to not see any news of the "tail section people". I figured there would be at least another hint.

He only said he was at a mental hospital - not necessarily admitted.

I inferred from his wording about when he "finally got out" that he wasn't there by choice...

Audio and dialog all the way to the very end.

Audio and dialog all the way to the very end.

"a while ago, i was in this kinda psyc ward ..."

"so when I got out ... or actually a couple months after I got out"

sounds to me like he was a patient ... I guess you could still stretch it anyway .... but either way I'm changing my vote.



I still love hurley ... "The chicken joint that I worked at got hit by a meteor .... well ... actually a meteorite" ... HA!

Ok, let the disecting begin. I can't remember, what happened with his wife? Did they go into that much last season?

yeah what, so he married the girl that he did surgery on (even though she was already ingaged to someone else) so basically he stole some guy's girl?

yeah what, so he married the girl that he did surgery on (even though she was already ingaged to someone else) so basically he stole some guy's girl?


I think it was pretty obvious that the girls fiance didn't want anything to do with a parapalygic and flew the coup. She finds out later and doesn't want him back.

Did they actually get married? I don't remember that. I thought his dad talked him out of it but my memory is a little fuzzy on it.

I was thinking that it was a mix of retro and new stuff. I thought some stuff in the kitchen looked new, too (like the blender maybe?). But I agree - the washer and dryer were VERY new models. And a lot of the other stuff looked old - records, excercise bike, computer, etc...

I will have to watch my SD Tivo and watch that sequence again.


Also anyone know what kind of vintage computer that was? Apple IIe maybe? Those were the days monochrome screens---green or amber.

Thoughts on the show: I thought it was awesome. Definitely lived up to my expectations and the buildup. Now the weeklong wait until next week's ep.

Computer looked like a 1980's Wang. The prompt was very odd though. It was usually set to the drive, ie. C:\. Then again, they were running tape drives so it could have been an early IBM.

Looks like we'll get a couple of episodes to answer a bunch of questions before starting to expand the plot with others or the others.

Didn't remember that wording from Hurley - definitely sounds like a patient.

It was an Apple II, maybe a plus - I recognized the keyboard immediately from the top down shot. And I'm pretty sure that was the correct prompt for the Apple II Basic (been a long time).

But I don't recall any 'execute' key on an Apple II.

The computer stuff was typical hollywood - 9 track tapes drives doing nothing useful, blinkin lights, oscilliscopes, etc.

Craig

Did anyone hear at the end of the stadium scene Desmond says "See you in another life" to Jack? So are they in another life?

In the first few minutes when Desmond gives himself a shot of something pause it when they show the bottles in the cabinet. "The Numbers" are on the bottles!!

Is Desmond some kind of experiment and the numbers are his ID?

Dang - you beat me to that one. I just now re-watched that whole opening and paused at the bottles - trying to see if you could tell what they were...then I noticed and recognized the 15 and 16 as the "numbers".

I also noticed that he had a plentiful supply of new-looking laundry detergent, dish soap, fabric softener, etc...that seemed interesting if he has indeed been there for 16 years.

All I could think of was, "Oh, no. This isn't going to be 'Blast from the Past' --it better not be Brendan Fraser down the hatch!"

Overall though, a very good opening of the season.

Did anyone hear at the end of the stadium scene Desmond says "See you in another life" to Jack? So are they in another life?


Just about to bring that up.

Definitely supposed to be a clue.

Awesome episode. Just awesome. So, my random questions...
(1) What were the whispers saying to Shannon?
(2) What did "Walt" say, and why did he appear drenched?
(3) Is the security system Desmond's creation?
(4) What was he injecting, and why?
(5) Why did the word QUARANTINE appear different in the episode than it did in the teasers we've been seeing the past two weeks (as well as in the teaser for next week's show)? In the show, it was larger and in black, while in the teasers it was red.
(6) Was there anything in Desmond's conversation with Jack that tips the cards a bit? All I can guess is that Desmond, like Locke, is a big believer in fate.
(7) Where is Kate and is Locke telling the truth about her being fine?

Wow. I'm glad I have a week to soak this all in.

I think it was pretty obvious that the girls fiance didn't want anything to do with a parapalygic and flew the coup. She finds out later and doesn't want him back.

Did they actually get married? I don't remember that. I thought his dad talked him out of it but my memory is a little fuzzy on it.


I'm assuming they got married. In the airport bar episode last season, Ana-Lucia saw that he wasn't wearing a wedding band and he said he "used to be" married...

I'm assuming they got married. In the airport bar episode last season, Ana-Lucia saw that he wasn't wearing a wedding band and he said he "used to be" married...

that and the whole wedding ceremony scene from last season kinda gives it away :rolleyes:

Great opening to the new season!

I don't think Walt was there physically, but with his abilities and the power that the island seems to have, I think he projected an image of himself. It immediately followed the whispered voices, and we know others have heard them and (probably) weren't hallucinating. Unfortunately I couldn't catch what Walt said other than "shhh."

Hurley was obviously a patient in the psych ward... I really don't see how this is up for discussion. If he wasn't a patient, why wouldn't he correct Jack when that was his only comment about the numbers story?

I can't wait for next week. Between last season's excitement and this season's opener, I honestly can't recall ever being this interested in a TV show.

Did anyone else notice that in the beginning on the computer Desmond types in what appears to be the numbers? I went back with Tivo and watched a couple of times and his keystrokes with the spacebar appears to be them.

Also, good question...where the heck is Kate?

Awesome episode. Just awesome. So, my random questions...

(6) Was there anything in Desmond's conversation with Jack that tips the cards a bit? All I can guess is that Desmond, like Locke, is a big believer in fate.


I'm wondering if his attitude won't change in the first 5 minutes of next week's episode. the lost guys love to mislead us with drama ... perhaps desmond realizes it's jack and puts his gun away after jack does ... then they have coffee which kate is preparing in the back room.


i'm going crazy trying to think why desmond is there though. so many possibilities. i really don't think he's been there long ... or maybe he's a pirate and robs comercial freighters on their way to america from japan??? hence the washer and dryer

I also noticed that he had a plentiful supply of new-looking laundry detergent, dish soap, fabric softener, etc...that seemed interesting if he has indeed been there for 16 years.He can't have been there 16 years, unless they want us to believe that stadium flashback was 16 years prior.

just remembered soemthing ... desmond did say he was training for a "race around the world" ... wonder what significance that holds

I personally think they are all already dead, and maybe haven't quite accepted it yet, or they need to atone for previous sins when they were alive, and this is like a final test to make it to the pearly gates.

There are just to many coincidences to be explained away in the "real" world.

Also, no-one here has mentioned that the "QUARANTINE" was written on the inside of the hatch, which in my opinion means the Island was what was quarantined, cause no-one was meant to see it on the outside.

Pretty freaky and interesting show..One of the best to come along in a long time.

Another though i had was that desmond was there to protect a missile silo in case of an all out nuclear attack on America, he could launch from a satellite site.

Will the flying clouds of Black smoke ever be explained is another question i have.

I personally think they are all already dead, and maybe haven't quite accepted it yet, or they need to atone for previous sins when they were alive, and this is like a final test to make it to the pearly gates.


It has been stated many, many times by the producers that THEY ARE NOT DEAD.

that and the whole wedding ceremony scene from last season kinda gives it away :rolleyes:


Yeah. The whole wedding sequence where she tells him how he fixed her. I'm surprised so many people have forgotten this.

The question I can't wait to see the answer to: what made them split up?

It has been stated many, many times by the producers that THEY ARE NOT DEAD.

Well, like i say, maybe in their own minds they are not dead, so technically the producers are not fibbing.

There are just too many super natural events and conicidences taking place to be of "our" world.

Did anyone catch what walt said?
As far as Desmond goes I am sure he knew he would run into jack again on the island and probably is the reason why his future wife was healed as why locke is healed as well (some experimental treatment such as gene therapy or nanobots etc)
Also from all the pipes and such underground and all of the gadgets there I am beggining to wonder if the island isn't going to end up being a construct of some sort as the monster obviously has access to most or all of the island as well.

He can't have been there 16 years, unless they want us to believe that stadium flashback was 16 years prior.


Did you see the washer and dryer? Looked like Whirlpool duet washer and dryer. I don't think there is any way he has been there 16 years.

Great Episode, Guys. Hope nobobdy minds if I join the conversation.

When I saw Desmond take the medicine off the shelf. It had the BAD numbers but it also had: "RX-1" on all the bottles. I searched for RX-1 as far as drugs are concerned. It is a online Canadian Pharmacy. Interesting, if he is shut out from the outside world. Maybe I am going in the wrong direction.

Cory

He only said he was at a mental hospital - not necessarily admitted.

Later he said "When I got out"

There could have been several ships, or planes that crashed over the years and that is where they got the supplies. That was a front loading washer and it looked brand new. So maybe a cargo ship crashed and they were able to salvage some items.

One theory that I have,

Has anybody thought that the Island is a sort of containment area for individuals with psychic abilities. Look at the fact that Desmond "basically" healed Jack's future wife. You can infer that he did from their conversation.

Now, when the numbers were propagated into the world, they helped to draw people and use people that the psychic confined knew would find the hatch and eventually be his means of escape from confinement. Sort of a predestiny that Desmond helped to happen.

I think the "others" are the best repreentation of keepers of the creature of the island, Desmond. However, they also took the boy because he exhibits similar powers. He may end up like Desmond in quarantine. The same with the French ladies child, it had some psychic powers. Claire's kid is one also, which is why she had to be on the plane like the psychic knew when she went to him in the US.

Desmond could also be a controlled subject, hence the drugs, to seek out others pyshic individuals so they can be maintained like him to be useful for other purposes.

Cory

At this point I have no theories whatsoever. Nothin'.

Jack didn't heal his future wife, he said he failed. It was Desmond somehow. Jack somehow thought it was he who healed her and now it's gonna fall on him that he didn't do anything at all.

This is how paraplegic Locke can walk, and how Jack saw the apparition of his dad and why his dad is not in the coffin.

The numbers were on the medicine, hatch and radio signal. The power line on the beach that Sayid found is what powers the hatch.

Desmond's day/night is due to the artificial lighting. If we figure that it was 4-3 hours before sunrise on the island, and he was already waking up, he must be on that time for a reason.

Just a theory :)

The top of the execute button looked like it was made of paper.

16 years before 2004 was 1988 ... I guess that is Apple II territory.

He's still playing LP's, a lot of stuff there looks pre-80's too.

It seems like he must periodically get resupplied sometimes, maybe by "the others".

Desmond looks like he sleeps on the top bunk, there is a bed beneath his.

Anyone figure out what song that was that Desmond plays in the beginning?


On the locker that contains Desmond's medicine, it has an seal in the shape of an Octagon, with something like a ying yang in the middle. The middle of the seal also says "DHARMA"

The medicine has this following wording:

CR 4-81516-23 42
FOR INJECTION, (indecipherable)
30mL, Multiple Dose Vial

Rx-1
(indecipherable)
Bar Code
(indecipherable)


The back of the vial says "... Benzyl" and degrees Celcius

His jumpsuit also has the same octogonal seal with the ying yang and "DHARMA".


Gun Safe combination: 23-44-47

Dharma seal is also by the entrance to the apartment

When Desmond is on the steps with Jack, his shirt has a pentagonal seal with a bird or dragon in the middle.

Jack drank Desmond's water.

Also, no-one here has mentioned that the "QUARANTINE" was written on the inside of the hatch, which in my opinion means the Island was what was quarantined, cause no-one was meant to see it on the outside.
Exactly my thought...It's the island on the outside that's the quarantine zone...


Did you see the washer and dryer? Looked like Whirlpool duet washer and dryer. I don't think there is any way he has been there 16 years.
My first thought was Maytag Neptune...but I agree, a big change in time-frame compared to the 9-track tape drives...


Has anybody thought that the Island is a sort of containment area for individuals with psychic abilities. Look at the fact that Desmond "basically" healed Jack's future wife. You can infer that he did from their conversation.
It's been said here before (about 2 million posts back :)) that the producers of this show are Stephen King fans.

My theory: Think "Breakers"...

A group of government-sponsored drug-enhanced psychics just might be able to draw/lure/force others of their kind to the island, while at the same time keeping the island "off the radar" for everyone else. As Michael asked in the finale last year, "How does an island this size go undiscovered?" Easy...you make it undetectable...

~Dan

On the locker that contains Desmond's medicine, it has an seal in the shape of an Octagon, with something like a ying yang in the middle. The middle of the seal also says "DHARMA"

Defense Human Advanced Research Medical Agency?

Hopefully, there's not a "GREG" out there... :D

~Dan

Anyone figure out what song that was that Desmond plays in the beginning?

Yep.

"Make Your Own Kind Of Music" by Mama Cass Elliot. Released October 1969.

Nobody can tell you
There's only one song worth singing
They may try and sell you
Cause it hangs them up
To see someone like you
You gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song
Make your own kind music
Even if nobody else sings along.

It can be nowhere
The loneliest kind of lonely
It may be lonely
'Cause to do your thing's the hardest things to do
You gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song
Make your own kind music
Even if nobody else sings along.

And if you will not take my hand
Then I must be going, I'll understand
You gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song
Make your own kind music
Even if nobody else sings along.

You gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song
Make your own kind music
Even if nobody else sings along.

You gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song
Make your own kind music
Even if nobody else sings along.

No no no no
Even if nobody else sings along
If nobody else sings along.

Maybe we are making too big a deal about the "new" washer/dryer? The Brits have had front loading machines for quite awhile now.

Great episode! The opening sequence was so bizarre, I thought for a second that it was some type of commercial!

just remembered soemthing ... desmond did say he was training for a "race around the world" ... wonder what significance that holds


He seemed awfully flabby to have been able to run up those steps like he did in the flashback. He must have twinkies hidden away down there...

Ok, let me add another item. The chalk drawing and possibly a childs easel, and the need to collect children?

......s with Jack, his shirt has a pentagonal seal with a bird or dragon in the middle.

Jack drank Desmond's water.
wow what did you watch the whole episode in slow motion??? I did think it was strange he accepted the water when he gave it to him, who meets a total stranger then drinks from his water bottle??????????? Although i dont think we ever see him actually drink from it, but he does take it which either way implies he plans to drink from it.

Maybe we are making too big a deal about the "new" washer/dryer? The Brits have had front loading machines for quite awhile now.

Not just front loaders, they were Whirlpool Duets which are new.

Oh yeah! Jack indeed took a drink from Desmond's water bottle. Never really put his lips to the bottle, though, it was a squirt bottle, and he took a squirt.

Anyone think we'll see the fiance again - on the island?

No one can tell us what Walt said to Shannon? Man! That scene was freaky. One thing I noticed that no one has mentioned - I believe this was in the 'recap' show - when Walt was on the beach looking at the comic book - the cover was digitally blurred. Very strange.

Nobody has mentioned Desmond's advice to Jack in the stadium, "Lift it up." After a long pause Desmond says he was referring to Jack's ankle and to keep it elevated. It's clear though that Desmond meant something else. Any thoughts? I kept thinking of and looking for instances where Jack may have to decide to physically, or otherwise, lift something/someone up.

As soon as I noticed Desmond's longish hair and obvious physical prowess in the stadium, I suspected that it was the same guy that was in the hatch. At first I wondered if he was somehow recruiting the survivors, but I'm not quite ready to give anyone supernatural powers or abilities.

When Walt first appeared to Shannon he almost looked 'slimed' or something, like he was way too wet to be so far (I'm assuming) from the water. Oh yeah, and the Vincent thing too. Too many questions, but at least we got some answers.

Anyone consider the possibility that Desmond wasn't *really* there during Jack's "tour-a-stad?"

Jack was alone in the stadium. Nobody else witnessed Desmond.

Jack was severely fatigued when he showed up (i.e. prone to hallucinations).

Jack noticed him immediately, causing a change in his behavior (speeding up his run).

Desmond disappears again after helping Jack out, physically (with water and tending the sprain), and emotionally/mentally (instilling "hope").

I don't know where I'm going with this other than implying that Desmond "projected" himself out into the world into Jack's thoughts, all while *actually* being on the island.

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Agree with everyone else, this was a terrific opening episode to season 2.

I think Walt did indeed escape - recall how when he was upset with his stepfather he killed the bird (made it fly into the glass or whatever). I imagine he had a similar effect on his captors... but he knows that if the "others" know he's escaped that the rest of the survivors will be in danger. He also has Vincent to keep him company while he's hiding in the jungle.

One lingering question I have from this episode is what was with the buckets of dirt and the magnetic hole in the wall? Did that imply that Desmond had been digging at the wall?

One thing I noticed that no one has mentioned - I believe this was in the 'recap' show - when Walt was on the beach looking at the comic book - the cover was digitally blurred.

I took that to mean that there was something offensive about the book in spanish that the producers et al didn't catch. I need to check the DVD to see what that was all about.

If you want to know what Walt said to Shannon, play it backwards. ;)

Walt really being there would explain Vincent taking off, but it seemed more like a vision because of the voice not being in sync.

Can somebody post what Walt said and if it doesn't make sense, can you play it backwards? ;)

ewwww........Madden, you just gave me the creeps. :eek:

Maybe a magnetic field to keep the island invisible to radar, etc. A large magnetic field of some kind.

Walt really being there would explain Vincent taking off, but it seemed more like a vision because of the voice not being in sync.

Can somebody post what Walt said and if it doesn't make sense, can you play it backwards? ;)

I don't know if Walt's voice not being in sync can determine if he was there or not. Remember Locke's vision of Bonne when he was saying Theresa falls up the stairs Theresa falls down the stairs? Boone was there. And remember Shannon was pretty unstable running around like crazy looking for Vincent.

By not in sync, I don't mean uncharacteristic - I mean the voice didn't appear to be in sync with his lips.

Didn't mean uncharacteristic either... I think they did that just to make the scene freaky.

If so, mission accomplished.

Great episode. The island likes trapping people. The "Others", Oceanic-Air, the fellow in the hatch who thinks he needs to be isolated from everyone else. Apparantly, his trip around the world resulted in meeting the island.

Paul

Oh man - great way to start the new season. I kept the volume off the 1st minute as I thought it was a commercial. Nice bit of mis-direction there.

And we never got to the raft people bobbing in the waves still!!!

The reason i was saying to play it backwards was because a morning radio show did that this morning. Walt did say something.

If you want to know what Walt said to Shannon, play it backwards. ;)

Help out those of us away from their recordings of the show.

What did he say?

When Jack met Desmond at the stadium, I turned to my wife and said, "That guy is going to be on the Island."

Either he leaves the Island at times, and is only there studing things, or he "projected" himself to the stadium somehow like another poster suggested.

Ok, i'll tell then. Walt said to Shannon "Don't push the button",, the only thing i can get from that was at the end when Jack was at the computer getting ready to press enter and Locke said not to do that with a gun pointed at his head.

Awesome episode, worth the wait! The thing that sticks out to me in this episode is Desmond telling Jack -"see you in the next life". After learning it was him in the hatch I was trying to figure out the significance of "lift it up", but I can't come up with anything. Anyway his entire talk with Jack was about having faith and believing in miracles, and then JAck's fiance miraculously can move her legs. Now Desmond got a hold of Locke who once on the island can miraculously walk. When Kate went down the hatch - I was thinking there was a heaven and hell theme going on. But if you think about it, she has had a miraculous transformation of character once on the island. Same goes for Michael, Sayid and all other main characters, except maybe Hurley. Great show that keeps me thinking from week to week, without a clue to where this is going. Thank God for my HD Tivo that enables me to watch this show every week!

Great episode. The island likes trapping people. The "Others", Oceanic-Air, the fellow in the hatch who thinks he needs to be isolated from everyone else. Apparantly, his trip around the world resulted in meeting the island.

Paul

I got the impression that the Quarantine sing was on the inside of the hatch, which to me says that its there to warn people inside the underground complex that the outside, the Island itself, is quarantined.

One thing though about that hatch. There must be another entrance somewhere to the complex because when Locke and Boone found the hatch it was partially buried, hiddened. That and the fact that the ladder was pretty much gone, makes me think Desmond has another way in and out.

What did he say?

He said:

Sdrawkcab gniklat ma I, Sdrawkcab gniklat ma I. :D

Looks like we'll get a couple of episodes to answer a bunch of questions before starting to expand the plot with others or the others.

Didn't remember that wording from Hurley - definitely sounds like a patient.


Agreed. Definitely a patient.

Good to see all the familiar faces back to discuss my favorite show :-)

Yeah. The whole wedding sequence where she tells him how he fixed her. I'm surprised so many people have forgotten this.

The question I can't wait to see the answer to: what made them split up?

I think he married her out of a sense of duty, and wanting to care for her. He felt responsible for her. And that kind of relationship couldn't last.

There could have been several ships, or planes that crashed over the years and that is where they got the supplies. That was a front loading washer and it looked brand new. So maybe a cargo ship crashed and they were able to salvage some items.

So how is he getting all this 'new' stuff inside his locked capsule?

Oh yeah, one other thing - in the opening scene, it looked to me like there was a window down in the hatch (It had the blinds down) with light coming in, meanwhile, it was nighttime up on the island where they were trying to blow it up.

Did you see the washer and dryer? Looked like Whirlpool duet washer and dryer. I don't think there is any way he has been there 16 years.

Haven't you guys ever heard of "Product Placement" - the producers/network sold out the writters. Look at all the plugs Maytag is getting - much better than a 30 second ad in - even in HD. Look for Kate to round the corner holding Coke can - w/ writting facing forward in next show. Walt will re-appear w/ an I-pod - Nano version at that. ;)

Nobody has mentioned Desmond's advice to Jack in the stadium, "Lift it up." After a long pause Desmond says he was referring to Jack's ankle and to keep it elevated. It's clear though that Desmond meant something else. Any thoughts? I kept thinking of and looking for instances where Jack may have to decide to physically, or otherwise, lift something/someone up.

Well... Jack did "lift up" the sheet on his surgical patient to find that she indeed was not paralyzed.

Perhaps that was Desmond's way of hinting to Jack that his patient was fixed.

"lift up" the hatch?? well, actually blow up-- but you get my point :rolleyes:

Another thing of notice, when they showed Jack working on the patients from the car wreck. The other patient died at 8:15 am

Great Stuff! Did you watch it all in slo-mo? :-)

Jack didn't heal his future wife, he said he failed. It was Desmond somehow. Jack somehow thought it was he who healed her and now it's gonna fall on him that he didn't do anything at all.

This is how paraplegic Locke can walk, and how Jack saw the apparition of his dad and why his dad is not in the coffin.

The numbers were on the medicine, hatch and radio signal. The power line on the beach that Sayid found is what powers the hatch.

Desmond's day/night is due to the artificial lighting. If we figure that it was 4-3 hours before sunrise on the island, and he was already waking up, he must be on that time for a reason.

Just a theory :)

The top of the execute button looked like it was made of paper.

16 years before 2004 was 1988 ... I guess that is Apple II territory.

He's still playing LP's, a lot of stuff there looks pre-80's too.

It seems like he must periodically get resupplied sometimes, maybe by "the others".

Desmond looks like he sleeps on the top bunk, there is a bed beneath his.

Anyone figure out what song that was that Desmond plays in the beginning?


On the locker that contains Desmond's medicine, it has an seal in the shape of an Octagon, with something like a ying yang in the middle. The middle of the seal also says "DHARMA"

The medicine has this following wording:



The back of the vial says "... Benzyl" and degrees Celcius

His jumpsuit also has the same octogonal seal with the ying yang and "DHARMA".


Gun Safe combination: 23-44-47

Dharma seal is also by the entrance to the apartment

When Desmond is on the steps with Jack, his shirt has a pentagonal seal with a bird or dragon in the middle.

Jack drank Desmond's water.

He said:

Sdrawkcab gniklat ma I, Sdrawkcab gniklat ma I. :D

I thought he said:

ynnuf tuoba tahw, yracs em dnif uoy od

tew lla ma I, lleh lla

:p

Oh yeah, one other thing - in the opening scene, it looked to me like there was a window down in the hatch (It had the blinds down) with light coming in, meanwhile, it was nighttime up on the island where they were trying to blow it up.

I noticed that too. But perhaps it's just imitation of light for Desmonds sake. Someone is keeping him down there against his will. I'm thinking he brought everyone to the island with some kind of special powers.

This was a great episode! Still waiting to find out what happened to Sawyer, Walt etc from the raft!!

As soon as I noticed Desmond's longish hair and obvious physical prowess in the stadium, I suspected that it was the same guy that was in the hatch. At first I wondered if he was somehow recruiting the survivors, but I'm not quite ready to give anyone supernatural powers or abilities.



I thought the same ...no way they are showing some random guy running with Jack unless it was for a reason.

I'd be interested to see if this guy shows up in the flashbacks for some of the other survivors.

No one can tell us what Walt said to Shannon? Man! That scene was freaky. One thing I noticed that no one has mentioned - I believe this was in the 'recap' show - when Walt was on the beach looking at the comic book - the cover was digitally blurred. Very strange.


I did see that, it was the back cover.

Another thing of notice, when they showed Jack working on the patients from the car wreck. The other patient died at 8:15 am

I heard them say that during the episode and didn't put it together. Good catch!

One lingering question I have from this episode is what was with the buckets of dirt and the magnetic hole in the wall? Did that imply that Desmond had been digging at the wall?


Perhaps his magnetic field is what caused the plane to crash and the ship to wreck. But that wouldn't explain why the Black Rock was there (primarily wood).

Maybe we are making too big a deal about the "new" washer/dryer? The Brits have had front loading machines for quite awhile now.

Great episode! The opening sequence was so bizarre, I thought for a second that it was some type of commercial!

I don't think it's making a big deal about the washing machines.

Surely the writers/producers know that millions of people watch (and scrutinize every detail-or am I the only one:)) of the show trying to figure something out, and then they discuss with others.

Unless they think we are clueless about props or don't pay attention to them, I think the mix of new and old furnishings has to be intentional.

Also, has anyone else commented on the graffiti wall in Desmond's bunker.
I frame-by-framed it on my tivo and saw the word sick and the number 108 along with some very strange drawings of people and monsters?

It seems clear to me that Desmond had something to do with curing Jack's wife. Can we assume he also had something to do with curing Locke's paralysis? Is there any significance there?

I did see that, it was the back cover.

Back covers of comics are usually advertisements...maybe it was a little too legible so they brushed it out?

It seems clear to me that Desmond had something to do with curing Jack's wife. Can we assume he also had something to do with curing Locke's paralysis? Is there any significance there?

Though common practice, BOTH Locke and Jack's wife discovered their new un-paralyzed conditions by wiggling their toes.

I don't think there is anything to this as that is a common test of paralysis, but thought I would point it out.

In the worthless observation category:

DESMOND DHARMA is an anagram for:

Handmade Dorms
Dad, and her Moms
Demons harm Dad
Demands - Do Harm

Just another observation of the show's creativity.

I fully expected the show to begin with the crew going down the hole to see what was in the hatch. Once they were down, we'd finally be let in on what was down there.

I thought it was so cool to show us the inside first thing, so as observers we were let in on the secrets even before the main characters.
I loved the switch of perspective.

Listening to one of the local a.m. talk radio shows they read an email from a guy pointing out a bunch of stuff from last night's show. Someone will have to verify this, but the guy who emailed said the driver of the SUV who died in the crash had the last name of Rutherford, which is Shannon's last name.

What does it all mean?

I HAVE NO FRICKIN IDEA!

Nice catch - if true.

Was it just me, or did Desmond have a distinct AUSTRALIAN accent?

In the worthless observation category:

DESMOND DHARMA is an anagram for:

Handmade Dorms
Dad, and her Moms
Demons harm Dad
Demands - Do Harm

Apparently Dharma means Natural Law

Interesting stuff.

http://www.dharmathecat.com/
http://www.dharmacentral.com/sanatanadharma.htm

Was it just me, or did Desmond have a distinct AUSTRALIAN accent?


I thought Irish.

I thought the same ...no way they are showing some random guy running with Jack unless it was for a reason.

I'd be interested to see if this guy shows up in the flashbacks for some of the other survivors.

Good point. Two possibilities stick out to me- first is the Walkabout tour guide, seems to have similar look and build. What was Desmond's accent- British or Aussie?
Second would be the bartender in the scene with Jack's dad and Sawyer, but I can't recall what the dude looked like. Perhaps someone with a Season 1 DVD can help us out.

I thought Irish.

Okay, maybe so...I was prolly thinking australian given the ties to down-under all throughout the show.

I've seen on other boards where viewers thought desmond reminded them of an angel (his longish hair, his chat with Jack to lift his spirits, etc)...

Hey Jack, two words for ya:

NICE WIG.

Did anyone else notice how bad his hairpiece was?

Given the angel thinking, it's also interesting that you can easily get "demon" out of "DEsMONd." :D

I would think Desmond's time in the bunker would pre-date Jack's father in Sydney or Locke's walkabout tour.

Unless he got there right before the plane crash - and brought his own washer & dryer. :)

Given the angel thinking, it's also interesting that you can easily get "demon" out of "DEsMONd." :D

The SD DEMON rears it's ugly head about 10:55 nightly on my local ABC. ;)

Yeah. The whole wedding sequence where she tells him how he fixed her. I'm surprised so many people have forgotten this.

The question I can't wait to see the answer to: what made them split up?
are you married??? The answer to that should be simple :D :D :D :D :D

When played backwards he says "Paul Is Dead"

Weird!


(just kidding btw)

something noone has brought up, seemed as when desmond stepped away from the wall and showed his face to jack, it seemed like he was smirking/smiling. anyone else think this?

Graydean,

Thanks I couldn't remember the artist of that song and hadn't heard it in year's. This show was ver strange but I guess that is why we all watch it

Someone mentioned above, how it was neat to have the perspective change, and find out what was in the hatch before the characters. I agree it was neat.

However, I mentioned to my wife during the scene where Kate was being lowered into the hatch, and all of a sudden the bottom hatch closes, she freaks out, and tells Locke to pull her up....that scene would have been alot scarier if we didn't know that there was a human inside the hatch. It was freaky enough the way it was, but it could have been much more suspenseful.

something noone has brought up, seemed as when desmond stepped away from the wall and showed his face to jack, it seemed like he was smirking/smiling. anyone else think this?
yea he was definatly smirking, like he recognised him. Was it a smirk of "haha i got you to come here now im gonna kill you", or was it "hey you made it whats up" i dont know. And i dont see how people are saying desmond brought everybody to the island, if he did why is he holding a gun to lock's head?????? Unless he brought them all there with ill intentions.

that and the whole wedding ceremony scene from last season kinda gives it away :rolleyes:


I never saw him say "I do" or anyone pronounce them Man and Wife, nor any more about them as a couple after the wedding scene. I have always though he bailed at the altar.

Didn't it appear from the previews that they were casually checking out the bunker trying to figure stuff out? That would seem to indicate that either Desmond was no longer a threat (either good guy, or dead)

The SD DEMON rears it's ugly head about 10:55 nightly on my local ABC. ;)

AH HA! The true secret of the show is revealed!

Didn't it appear from the previews that they were casually checking out the bunker trying to figure stuff out? That would seem to indicate that either Desmond was no longer a threat (either good guy, or dead)

that's what I'm thinking. halfway through S1 Rousseau was thought to be evil until Sayid and then Hurley talked to her, then she was ok. Consider that Locke told Jack that everything was going to be ok while a gun was held to his head, something tells me that, sooner than later, it will turn out that the guy in the hatch is going to turn out to be helpful to them. Maybe he will divulge more secrets about the "others", and the whereabouts of Walt.

BTW, where's Michael Jin and what's his face ?

Sure seemed that last night's episode covered more than the entire S1 combined, almost too much, but I ain't complaining

You folks have done a pretty good job with this episode so far. One think I noticed that I don't think has been mentioned, when "Walt" was "talking" to Shannon water continued to pour off his face in a steady flow, long after it would have normally stopped, giving the impression that he is still in a watery environment somewhere.

Also, I think this Desmond character is going to be a very important cog in this whole situation on the island. His being there is going to need some very detailed explanation, one that can't be explained away like the French woman's was. At least I hope they give his presence more than just a throw-away one, like he's a Robinson Crusoe or something.

Quarantine anagrams:

Aqua Intern
Antique RNA

Quarantine / Sayid anagrams:

A Nasty Nude Iraqi
An Unsteady Iraqi

:)

And no one has said anything about the "Other" entrance/exit from Desmond’s underground quarters. (Pure Speculation)

Remember how big the Island is from the raft scenes last season? We know there are shafts all under the island (mining slave ship), and the "Black Smoke" that got Locke. In season 1, a lot of things happened on the surface, but when pursued, no trace. I think there is a whole area that is populated by anyone’s guess, somewhere else on the Island, and I don't find it a stretch of my imagination to have the "hatch" as only one entrance/exit.

And regarding the magnetic field in the shaft affecting airplanes and ships, but not knowing how it affected the Black Rock, Compasses are common to all 3 and are magnetic.

I've seen on other boards where viewers thought desmond reminded them of an angel (his longish hair, his chat with Jack to lift his spirits, etc)...An angel with a drug habit and automatic weapons, who lives in a sealed underground capsule - what'll they think up next? ;)

Well, at least they have more guns now if Desmond is on their side. Did I see him load an older German FG42 rifle?

Quarantine anagrams:

Aqua Intern
Antique RNA

Quarantine / Sayid anagrams:

A Nasty Nude Iraqi
An Unsteady Iraqi

:)


Sayid = Say ID

I'm just sayin'

When I saw Desmond take the medicine off the shelf. It had the BAD numbers but it also had: "RX-1" on all the bottles. I searched for RX-1 as far as drugs are concerned. It is a online Canadian Pharmacy. Interesting, if he is shut out from the outside world. Maybe I am going in the wrong direction.

Interesting. When Hurley first met him, Ethan said that he was from Canada.

And regarding the magnetic field in the shaft affecting airplanes and ships, but not knowing how it affected the Black Rock, Compasses are common to all 3 and are magnetic.

If the magnetic field were strong enuff to effect ships, plane or thier compass' it would have ripped the key right off Jacks neck.

If the magnetic field were strong enuff to effect ships, plane or thier compass' it would have ripped the key right off Jacks neck.

It's just in standby mode :-)

Explaning the crash isn't as difficult as explaining the landing.

Walt's apparition appears dripping wet. Have any of those who appeared in visions previously been alive? I can recall Jack's dad and Boone, both dead. Walt is dead, drowned?

Interesting. When Hurley first met him, Ethan said that he was from Canada.

Trey and Matt were right!

BLAME CANADA! BLAME CANADA!

Walt's apparition appears dripping wet. Have any of those who appeared in visions previously been alive? I can recall Jack's dad and Boone, both dead. Walt is dead, drowned?


Doesn't someone die early on in this season?

Doesn't someone die early on in this season?

Not yet they haven't

Could the magnetic field be some sort of Power Generator? Could the cable leading into the water be going to another capsule

Remember how big the Island is from the raft scenes last season? approx. 600 sq. mi. Oahu, Hawaii ;) In the preview for next week, I think that was Jack looking at the hatch that says Quarantine. So he obviously gets out of there pretty quickly. Maybe Desmond destroys it like frenchie did to her shack?

Walt's apparition appears dripping wet. Have any of those who appeared in visions previously been alive? I can recall Jack's dad and Boone, both dead. Walt is dead, drowned?

But remember, Jack's father's body wasn't in the casket. And Shannon was part of a vision Boone had, and she's very much alive.

So I doubt Walt is dead.

I never saw him say "I do" or anyone pronounce them Man and Wife, nor any more about them as a couple after the wedding scene. I have always though he bailed at the altar.

When Anna Lucia asks Jack if he is married, he says, "Not anymore." Meaning he was at one time married. So he must have gone through with it.

If the magnetic field were strong enuff to effect ships, plane or thier compass' it would have ripped the key right off Jacks neck.

There was a scene last season where Locke gave someone a compass (Sayid?) but it didn't point North.

Where'd it point, Mecca? :)

Pretty weird, even for Lost; but the guy turning out to be the stadium guy is really weird.


That and the fact the washer and dryer were likely new point to the fact that "Desmond" hasn't necessarily been on the island for long...at least not exclusively on the island. Therefore, someone knows where they are and can come and go as they see fit!

That and the fact the washer and dryer were likely new point to the fact that "Desmond" hasn't necessarily been on the island for long...at least not exclusively on the island. Therefore, someone knows where they are and can come and go as the see fit!
Perhaps, the dudes that took Walt.

4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = (ta-da) 108!

Where'd it point, Mecca? :)
Oh wow....

Seeing Desmond in the hatch changed the entire tone of the series for me. It went from odd to X-Files. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if we discover the island is actually inside a big dome, ala The Truman Show.

Do the writers & producers intentionally gather nightly in some conference room, smoke crack & come up with the never-ending plot branches?

I would assume that Desmond is in the same group as Ethan was. Ethan was unnaturally strong, which could be explained by the same type of serum that Desmond used.

I just think of Desmond as a guard/lookout for that part of the underground complex. But if the complex is all connected, why didn't Desmond summon others, knowing that the hatch had been breached? :confused:

Still, it was a great episode, and I can't wait for next week.

Maybe we are making too big a deal about the "new" washer/dryer? The Brits have had front loading machines for quite awhile now.


This is true, but I think other clues in the "apartment" point to more modern things. For example the dish soap bottle seemed pretty contemporary as well as the stainless steel sink (I'd have to go back and look, but it might have even been under-mounted...very modern).

The season will only get better when Sayid is back in the mix.

The underground bunker has clearly been there a while. Being 50 feet down and fairly large would involve moving a lot of dirt for construction and a single shaft. Most similar shelters would have another entrance as well (otherwise folks would be high risk for getting out). However the surface showed no signs of recent excavation or planting. It also showed no signs of recent hatch use, as they had to dig it up. It’s not easy to cover a hatch with dirt and growth from within.

The stuff downstairs was decades old (expect for the washer and dryer) including blender, exercise bike, Apple II computer and monitor and other gear. How long the guy has been down there is an open question. He’s the stadium guy, and that scene clearly goes back some years.

He clearly has plenty of power and supplies, so there is likely a link to the outside of some sort. Some of the gear there would not fit through the shaft, so it was either placed there when constructed or through some other entrance. Since it’s old, this implies construction time placement.

He also has a supply of the drug he is injecting (which has the same numbers on the bottle). It’s also clear that there are no hatch sensors that work, as his first hint at an intruder was the loud explosion. Since they had been beating on the hatch for days before, he seemed unaware of this.

The hatch seemed designed as an escape hatch, not an entrance hatch. It had no options on the outside for opening, so was set to be opened only from inside. This implies a separate entrance hatch somewhere else.

Ed

Well, at least they have more guns now if Desmond is on their side. Did I see him load an older German FG42 rifle?


Yeah, it appeared as though Nicholas cage must have visited him recently, as he was packing enough firearms for a good sized war.

Does anyone remember what Ethan was wearing? for some reason When I saw Desmond pick out on of those grey shirts off the hanger, I felt as if I had seen it before. I seem to remember Ethan wearing something similar.

You guys do realize that all this shared speculation, tiny discoveries, and the journey, is what makes this a great show, will the answers in the end be as satisfying to any of us is what i wonder?

Such a bunker location would likely only have that range of firepower if some previous experience or info suggested the need to handle an armed assult.

Since the guys on the boat that took the kid looked old and not freshly dressed, that might be the case here.

Some bunkers like that were constructed some decades ago during nuclear testing and as bomb shelters. The high end computing power (for the time it was built) seems to support something like this.

Ed

There was a scene last season where Locke gave someone a compass (Sayid?) but it didn't point North.

Perhaps due to an anomolous magnetic field?

Captain Jack Sparrow also had a compass that didn't point North. It's not a problem if you're not trying to find North... :D

~Dan

Such a bunker location would likely only have that range of firepower if some previous experience or info suggested the need to handle an armed assult.

I think Desmond is the Security Guy on Level One of an entire underground complex...

~Dan

anyone know who's hiking shoes were in the hatch? they looked too modern to be the guy's - my wife thought they were kates

Clearly the outside world knows about the island, as the constructed bunker and ocean cable coming on shore show this. Given the ship, small plane, and large plane, clealry lots of folks have been here before.

Ed

also= what was up with the key around jack's neck shaking and moving?

also= what was up with the key around jack's neck shaking and moving?

Do you means the key to the gun case?

Ed

4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = (ta-da) 108!
that is cool....great job

Do you means the key to the gun case?
Ed

yeah- when he first got down into the bunker-- i think i may need to go watch this episode again!

it was showing that when he leaned towards the wall it was magnetic

I think Desmond is the Security Guy on Level One of an entire underground complex...

~Dan

That would make more sense if that hatch was a clear outside enterance. However it does not look that way. That coupled with no sensors seems out of the norm for a security guard.

It would make more sense to me as an underground residence area (there were 2 bunks) as part of something larger.

Ed

anyone know who's hiking shoes were in the hatch? they looked too modern to be the guy's - my wife thought they were kates

Kate pulls some boots off of a dead body in episode 1 I believe. The shoes in the hatch room were more low-cut than the ones Kate was wearing, as I recall...

I DID however notice that those shoes were much more modern than the rest of the decor.

I never saw him say "I do" or anyone pronounce them Man and Wife, nor any more about them as a couple after the wedding scene. I have always though he bailed at the altar.

you guys are either really forgetful or you need things spelled out for you completely before you believe them ...

remember at the alter scene there was that suspensful speach by jack where he was talking about his uncertainty ... and it seemed as if he was gonna bail ... but then he turned it aroudn to talk about how sure he was that she was the right woman, then they shared a loving tearfilled moment???

and remember at the bar scene that girl asked jack if he was married and he said "not anymore"

they got married ... it's obvious.

that is cool....great job

**Updated to answer my own question***

What is the significance of 108?

Also, has anyone else commented on the graffiti wall in Desmond's bunker.
I frame-by-framed it on my tivo and saw the word sick and the number 108 along with some very strange drawings of people and monsters?

Don't know if it is just a coincidence or not but the oceanic flight# was 815, appears in the 4 8 15 16 23 42 pattern.

Another Tie into the numbers:

Another thing of notice, when they showed Jack working on the patients from the car wreck. The other patient died at 8:15 am

What other numbers are in the show?

Original number of passengers that survived: 48



How many have died since the show started that we know of? Maybe 42 is the final number of survivors?

# of years that the french distress call has been playing: 16 years

anyone have any ideas what 4, and 23 could represent?

Jack was in row 23, seat B on the flight.

The girl he talked to that ordered the Tequila and Tonic "Anna Lucia" was on row 42 seat F.

4 = seasons of lost?

I think Desmond is the Security Guy on Level One of an entire underground complex...
That would make more sense if that hatch was a clear outside enterance. However it does not look that way. That coupled with no sensors seems out of the norm for a security guard.
I think "our" hatch is simply an escape trunk. I think we haven't yet seen the main entrance...

As to sensors on the hatch...perhaps that's the responsibility of the island's "security system"...

~Dan

I thought it was so cool to show us the inside first thing, so as observers we were let in on the secrets even before the main characters.
It took serious guts to start the second season of a popular show by dropping the audience into a completely baffling, disorienting scene. You could almost hear the ABC network execs saying, "I don't understand this. What's going on? Can't J.J. put this later in the show? Can't the episode start with Kate looking down the hatch and her boobs hanging out?"

I think they got away with it because of the recap show before it. Normally networks demand premieres start off with a minute or two of recapping all the major plot points of the previous season.

4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = (ta-da) 108!

WOW - good find!

you guys are either really forgetful or you need things spelled out for you completely before you believe them ...

remember at the alter scene there was that suspensful speach by jack where he was talking about his uncertainty ... and it seemed as if he was gonna bail ... but then he turned it aroudn to talk about how sure he was that she was the right woman, then they shared a loving tearfilled moment???

and remember at the bar scene that girl asked jack if he was married and he said "not anymore"

they got married ... it's obvious.

Yep. Jack makes his big "I didn't fix you, you fixed me" speech...teary-eyed pause...big kiss. There was no "I pronounce you man and wife" from the minister, but it was clear that they got married.

It's possible they got divorced later. Hopefully, we'll find out more in future episodes.

What if Desmond is taking a miracle drug that increases the body's healing capabilities much like Wolverine of the X-Men? Maybe he slipped it to the crash survivors and that's why they are still alive. What if the drug also combats aging and he first arrived on the island on the Black Rock?

Normally networks demand premieres start off with a minute or two of recapping all the major plot points of the previous season.

They did have the standard "Previously on Lost" short recap...

~Dan

Apparently you can figure out from what is presented in the episode that the guy who wrecks with Jack's future wife and then dies in ER is Boone and Shannons father.
I'll have to rewatch to check this and a lot of other things out that I missed the first time.

and remember at the bar scene that girl asked jack if he was married and he said "not anymore"
they got married ... it's obvious.

Maybe yes and maybe no. It seems clear he was once married, but that might have been to someone else. Since we did not see the wedding to completion, we don't know for sure what happened. Nore do we know what happened to the girl at the alter.

Ed

...SNIP

Also, no-one here has mentioned that the "QUARANTINE" was written on the inside of the hatch, which in my opinion means the Island was what was quarantined, cause no-one was meant to see it on the outside.

.....SNIP.

IMO, posters are not talking enough about this.

Last night I mentioned to wifey that I thought that "quarantine" was written on the inside as well. This implies that the "others" are being quarantined while Desmond and anyone else like him in the hatch are "well."

I think when the island's other inhabitants landed, there was an entire series of events where there were people getting sick (or going crazy) and some subset of the inhabitants constructed the hatch and its environment. This sort of jives with what the French woman said at some point last season. I don't remember her words exactly but she said something along the lines of most of the other people on the island getting sick or being abnormal.

Desmond will probably be an ally for Jack and the survivors. The "others" are sick and in quarantine (the island). Desmond's shots are some sort of innoculation (sp?) from whatever affects the "others."

BTW, we have the Neptune (Duets are the same just a different brand) washers and dryers. There is NO WAY the writers would make a mistake like that and include them for no reason. Desmond's bunker has some sort of time machine type activity going on. There were too many indications of modern decorating (washing machines and other furnishings) while having technology (PC, tape drives, record player) that seemed to be from the 60's for the collection of possessions to be a mistake by the writers.

Overall, thumbs up!!! I was getting a bit tired at the end of last season. There were way too many questions without answers. The writers need a good balance of revelations and new questions to keep the series from being a drag. I was growing pretty sick of the background stories that seemingly had little connection to the mystery that is the island.

Apparently you can figure out from what is presented in the episode that the guy who wrecks with Jack's future wife and then dies in ER is Boone and Shannons father.
I'll have to rewatch to check this and a lot of other things out that I missed the first time.

And how would that be possible since Boone and Shannon aren't related by blood?

anyone know who's hiking shoes were in the hatch? they looked too modern to be the guy's - my wife thought they were kates

I don't know why, but I also thought that they were Kate's.

I suspect the quarantine labeling is left over from when the bunker was built, many decades ago. I'm guessing it has little to do with things on the outside today. Basically a plot mislead by writers.

Ed

They did have the standard "Previously on Lost" short recap...
They did? They must have done it before 9PM because my DVR started exactly as the first scene faded in.

Last night I mentioned to wifey that I thought that "quarantine" was written on the inside as well. This implies that the "others" are being quarantined while Desmond and anyone else like him in the hatch are "well."

I think when the island's other inhabitants landed, there was an entire series of events where there were people getting sick (or going crazy) and some subset of the inhabitants constructed the hatch and its environment. This sort of jives with what the French woman said at some point last season. I don't remember her words exactly but she said something along the lines of most of the other people on the island getting sick or being abnormal.

Desmond will probably be an ally for Jack and the survivors. The "others" are sick and in quarantine (the island). Desmond's shots are some sort of innoculation (sp?) from whatever affects the "others."

I like this theory, especially the innoculation.

I like this theory, especially the innoculation.

Thanks. The only issue is why would he need the innoculation if the hatch is sealed? Potenital answers:

1) The hatch takes in unfiltered air from the island and that air is contaminated.
2) He leaves the hatch periodically and the innoculation protects him from getting "sick" regardless of the amount of time he may spend on the outside.

They did? They must have done it before 9PM because my DVR started exactly as the first scene faded in.

My TiVo started right at 9:00 also, but I got the short recap...

I suspect the quarantine labeling is left over from when the bunker was built, many decades ago. I'm guessing it has little to do with things on the outside today. Basically a plot mislead by writers.

Ed

Huh? Do you mean the "quarantine" label is taken from someplace else and was not meant for the hatch's occupants or people on the outside? I do buy that it is from many decades ago but whatever made whomever sick is probably still on the island.

Are you suggesting that there is no one sick or in "quarantine?"

I noticed the numbers on the bottle the first time through. We watched it on our DVR, live, so we could go back and replay spots. Ethan supposedly had super strength the first time he fought with Jack, but Jack was also exhausted and went down easy, and Ethan went down very easy when surrounded later on. I wonder if Ethan was working with Desmond/others (The Others?) and that's how he was able to kidnap both people that time.

That's interesting about the guy in the SUV having been Boone's dad. I still have it on DVR, so I might go back and check.

What's the consensus on what Walt said when played backwards? Is it "Don't push the button"? It could have been a number of things, but Sayid said Shannon hadn't slept in a long time and it could have been her own hallucination/imagination due to guilt over losing the dog. Probably not, but just a guess.

The white light that shot out of the hatch - same light that Locke saw through the window when he was pleading with it last season.

And I agree that Desmond does seem like some sort of "guard" watching over something - executing a program or something every morning. Having the "Quarantine" on the inside of the hatch is also another interesting observation - the outside of the hatch is what is quarantined.



Just some musings...

That would make more sense if that hatch was a clear outside enterance. However it does not look that way. That coupled with no sensors seems out of the norm for a security guard.


Ed

But how do you explain that as soon as he heard the hatch blow, he immediately went to the special telescope system, whose sole purpose appeared to be to look up at the hatch?

Maybe it can view other areas too, but it is interesting that the hatch is something that was specifically watched.

4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = (ta-da) 108!

Ok, I'm slow ;)

What's the significance of 108?

Thanks. The only issue is why would he need the innoculation if the hatch is sealed? Potenital answers:

1) The hatch takes in unfiltered air from the island and that air is contaminated.
2) He leaves the hatch periodically and the innoculation protects him from getting "sick" regardless of the amount of time he may spend on the outside.

Or maybe he already is "sick" and taking the drug is the only way to keep the symptoms at bay.

Huh? Do you mean the "quarantine" label is taken from someplace else and was not meant for the hatch's occupants or people on the outside? I do buy that it is from many decades ago but whatever made whomever sick is probably still on the island.

Are you suggesting that there is no one sick or in "quarantine?"

Yes. I think that is left over from past use, and may have nothing to do with today stuff.

Ed

Ok, I'm slow ;)

What's the significance of 108?

It was in the "drawing" at the bottom of the hatch.

But how do you explain that as soon as he heard the hatch blow, he immediately went to the special telescope system, whose sole purpose appeared to be to look up at the hatch?

Maybe it can view other areas too, but it is interesting that the hatch is something that was specifically watched.
Not sure. It was clear that scopes could see different things. Radiation travels in mostly straight lines, so that might make sense for checking it out, rather than walking there.

He would clearly know the escape hatch was there, and could probably tell where the sound came from. Ones' first approach would be to view from a distance. Much of gear in room predates normal small video monitors.

Ed

BTW, we have the Neptune (Duets are the same just a different brand) washers and dryers.

Those were definitely Duets not Neptunes. Whirlpool Duets and Maytag Neptunes aren't that similar except for being front-loaders.

Yeah. The whole wedding sequence where she tells him how he fixed her. I'm surprised so many people have forgotten this.

The question I can't wait to see the answer to: what made them split up?
Maybe her fiance came back into the picture after he saw she was normal again

Maybe her fiance came back into the picture after he saw she was normal again


Or maybe she died?

Those were definitely Duets not Neptunes. Whirlpool Duets and Maytag Neptunes aren't that similar except for being front-loaders.

Agreed. The only other washers that are the same as Duets are the Kenmore Elite HE series washers which are Duets rebadged for Sears. Sears just came out with the different color washers last year. Orange is new color option.... like the ones in the Desmonds area.

Joel

Orange is new color option.... like the ones in the Desmonds area.

Joel

And I hear Orange is the new Black :D

I have heard this episode talked about several different times on the radio today. This morning DC101 played what walt said backwards and it seemed to say "don't touch the button, the button is bad...", then there was speculation that he said "press the button, no button's bad". So I guess this could turn into a debate just like the "we are the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815" debate - - This reminds me of the miracle ear commercial where the guy repeatedly says "what he'd say??" :)

Also, the first thought I had of the individual living in the hatch was that he was the sone of the French woman - but now seeing him, he appears to old for that and it's obvious that he is the same guy from the Stadium.

I don't know why, but I also thought that they were Kate's.

What I found especially creepy/odd about the hiking boots was that they were so neatly placed against the wall. If they were randomly lying around, we could come up with all kinds of variations of how Kate was grabbed forcefully once she was in the tunnel.

But placed neatly side by side...how did that happen?

Whirlpool and many mfg's give Sears/Kenmore a 1 year exclusive prior to release of their own branded appliances. Through 2001 they were only available in B & W from Sears - so these are definitely 2002 or later.

I thought Desmond's washer/dryer was grey? I could be wrong though, no tivo...

Apparently you can figure out from what is presented in the episode that the guy who wrecks with Jack's future wife and then dies in ER is Boone and Shannons father.

Well, the guy who died in the emergency room was named Rutherford. That's Shannon's last name.

Ok, I clipped the audio and flipped it. It sounds to me like Walt's saying, "Where is the button? No button's bad." You can e-mail me for it if you'd like to listen for yourself.

My wife took a long look at the detergents and other items on Desmond's shelf and says none of those items can be very old. Liquid Tide in the EZ-pour bottle, lemon Dawn, etc.

And the interesting hyphen locations on the injection bottle: "4-815 16-23" in one clip. In another, there seems to be a space between 8 and 15.

Doc

I thought Desmond's washer/dryer was grey? I could be wrong though, no tivo...

http://lost-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23871

Whirlpool and many mfg's give Sears/Kenmore a 1 year exclusive prior to release of their own branded appliances. Through 2001 they were only available in B & W from Sears - so these are definitely 2002 or later.

you sure seem to know your washers and dryers :-)

Just that one. Remember delivery well because it was on 9/11 and the delivery guys had no clue about the terrorist attack.

http://lost-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23871
What is interesting is the round window like structure in the end of the room. That looks like natural light coming through.

Ed

Just that one. Remember delivery well because it was on 9/11 and the delivery guys had no clue about the terrorist attack.Whew. I was really starting to worry about you, CP. :D

Doc

And I hear Orange is the new Black :D

See Product Placement works. We're talking about washer and dryers on an AVS HD Forum. I'm going to get my company to call the producers. Shannon is going to pull out a Trojan when she and Syaid finally hook-up.

The hatch seemed designed as an escape hatch, not an entrance hatch. It had no options on the outside for opening, so was set to be opened only from inside. This implies a separate entrance hatch somewhere else.

Ed

And, Desmond doesn't seem to be going IN and OUT of the hatch, since the ladder was apparently broken. So, he must be leaving (if that is what he does) via alternate paths, means.

http://lost-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23871
Is that a wine bottle un-corker on the edge of the table? I wonder if he has a home theater in there somewhere..? :D

And, Desmond doesn't seem to be going IN and OUT of the hatch, since the ladder was apparently broken. So, he must be leaving (if that is what he does) via alternate paths, means.

It was not clear to me that the ladder was not broke from the blast. Given the range of gear down there, he could have easily built something to reach up if he wanted. I'm guessing he did not need/want to.

Ed