If he does have a home theater down there, I bet he's bitching about the lack of HD programming on ESPN and ESPN2

http://lost-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23871

they aren't black, that is for sure. I was say they are a steel grey. I haven't taken a picture, but they are a steel color.

Whew. I was really starting to worry about you, CP. :D

Doc

Don't worry, no washer fetish - that was also the first time I had heard that Sears had enough appliance clout to demand a 1 year exclusive from a manufacturer and require that the manufacturer de-feature their own version when it does come out.

Haven't watched E-Ring on Tivo yet - but I hope it sucks so I can start Tivo'ing LOST for repeated viewings throughout the week.

they aren't black, that is for sure. I was say they are a steel grey. I haven't taken a picture, but they are a steel color.

My guess is Dove Grey. ;)

Is that a wine bottle un-corker on the edge of the table? I wonder if he has a home theater in there somewhere..? :D


No, he's got a media room. ;)

Agreed. The only other washers that are the same as Duets are the Kenmore Elite HE series washers which are Duets rebadged for Sears. Sears just came out with the different color washers last year. Orange is new color option.... like the ones in the Desmonds area.

Joel

My bad you guys are right. We actually have the Kenmore Elites HEt3 or something like that. Figures...I never do laundry and could only remember the discussions with wifey about Duets, Elites, Neptunes. Thought we decided on Neptunes but alas we have the Elites.

Anyway..point is that they do look odd in a bunker/apartment that has hundreds of records and 60's era computers and tape drives.

The only point about the washer/dryer is either Desmond has been there 3 years or less - or he was there for a re-supply of equipment and/or supplies by somebody else. (Or he lugged a washer/dryer with him on his trek around the world. ;) )

The only point about the washer/dryer is either Desmond has been there 3 years or less - or he was there for a re-supply of equipment and/or supplies by somebody else. (Or he lugged a washer/dryer with him on his trek around the world. ;) )

My guess is he picked them up when he went out to pick up his new Qualia. :D

The only point about the washer/dryer is either Desmond has been there 3 years or less - or he was there for a re-supply of equipment and/or supplies by somebody else. (Or he lugged a washer/dryer with him on his trek around the world. ;) )

Or perhaps the writers did not envision such a discussion about washers and dryers. Why go to the touble of bringing new heavy gear like than rather than an iPod for music.

Ed

http://lost-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23871


Hard to tell the color from that image. Using PSP, I grabbed what I thought was the main color from the top (lighted) of the pair, and the bottom (more in shadows). Looks kinda greyish brown, but it is tough to tell.

It seems clear to me that Desmond had something to do with curing Jack's wife. Can we assume he also had something to do with curing Locke's paralysis? Is there any significance there?

Both would seem to deal with spinal cord injuries and paralysis.

Maybe Whirlpool has deeper pockets than Apple?

The other thing is he seemed to have quite the routine down for a hatch intrusion that obviously hasn't happened in quite some time.

Maybe Whirlpool has deeper pockets than Apple?

The other thing is he seemed to have quite the routine down for a hatch intrusion that obviously hasn't happened in quite some time.
That does give credence to the idea that he is protecting or studying something. Think of all the guys in missle silos across the country that have never been used.

The hatch seemed designed as an escape hatch, not an entrance hatch. It had no options on the outside for opening, so was set to be opened only from inside. This implies a separate entrance hatch somewhere else.

You know, I thought that as well, but then why remove all the rungs from the bottom? If anything, it would tend to keep the person in the underground facility put.

I can't resolve the issue of old/new stuff in my mind so this theory breaks down quickly:

It was/is designed as a fallout shelter. It was designed and constructed during the cold war as a "Samson" option in the event of a first strike against (insert country).

Desmond is awaiting a signal on his Apple II PC telling him to "launch the nukes" in retaliation for a first strike from (insert name of another country).

Either that or......

You know, I thought that as well, but then why remove all the rungs from the bottom? If anything, it would tend to keep the person in the underground facility put.

I can't resolve the issue of old/new stuff in my mind so this theory breaks down quickly:

It was/is designed as a fallout shelter. It was designed and constructed during the cold war as a "Samson" option in the event of a first strike against (insert country).

Desmond is awaiting a signal on his Apple II PC telling him to "launch the nukes" in retaliation for a first strike from (insert name of another country).

Either that or......

or he's there to monitor the island, taking orders from someone?

It also looked like the ladder wasn't taken down, but had fallen or was broken long ago. I still think there will be another entrance/exit to the shelter that he was normally using. Something more near Black Rock.

There stuff there is confusing. Most is old and some newer items may be slip ups.

The large computers are one good example. Those are data collection setups, not useful for other common things. The Apple II is a simple PC. Unless they are just for show (I doubt it), the larger ones had a clear purpose for data. Same for scopes on shelf.


Ed

What is interesting is the round window like structure in the end of the room. That looks like natural light coming through.

Ed

Maybe there's another series of mirrors that delivers sunlight below ground...though that doesn't explain why the light would be there at roughly 3-4am.

The bright white light that shot out of the open hatch after Kate went down could provide something like that if diffused through the right glass, maybe...

This show is starting to remind me of Myst.

I think it was one of the newer Outer Limits where there were 3 people in 3 different shelters that could launch a massive nuclear strike to wipe out an alien invasion. They all had a dead man's switch and if they didn't respond to an inquiry, it would automatically launch.

Did anybody pick out what Desmond typed into the computer at the beginning of the episode?

http://lost-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23871

Another possibly interesting tidbit...We saw Desmond washing his dishes after he ate, yet there are dirty dishes piled up on the counter. Maybe he's got a messy roommate running around somewhere?

Did anybody pick out what Desmond typed into the computer at the beginning of the episode?

An earlier poster said he typed the numbers! But I can not confirm that.

What about the geodesic dome roof in the computer room? That's not a structure you see underground.

Am I right that the magnetic area looks to have been hastily sealed up? Perhaps after an accident?

I need to get this episode d/loaded…spent half of it on the phone reassuring relatives that Houston wasn’t a bigger death trap than normal. :-P

Did anybody pick out what Desmond typed into the computer at the beginning of the episode?

I think he was typing: www.evangeline-lilly.net

I think he was typing: www.evangeline-lilly.net

Hey - -That's my homepage!!

I think he was typing: www.evangeline-lilly.netWhich, if you add up those letters and then add up the digits of the resulting number, you get 108. Ok, perhaps not. :)

There stuff there is confusing. Most is old and some newer items may be slip ups.

The large computers are one good example. Those are data collection setups, not useful for other common things. The Apple II is a simple PC. Unless they are just for show (I doubt it), the larger ones had a clear purpose for data. Same for scopes on shelf.


Ed
Can't help but think the same thing, those washers may be nothing more than product placement type ads.

I think it was one of the newer Outer Limits where there were 3 people in 3 different shelters that could launch a massive nuclear strike to wipe out an alien invasion. They all had a dead man's switch and if they didn't respond to an inquiry, it would automatically launch.

Hey! That's my favorite OL episode! Interestingly enough, it was entitled "Dead Man's Switch"...

~Dan

Maybe there's another series of mirrors that delivers sunlight below ground...though that doesn't explain why the light would be there at roughly 3-4am.

I think it's just artificial light, designed to make subterranian life a little more palatible. Undergound, it doesn't really matter what time it is outside, so you may as well be operating on the same schedule as your home office--maybe Hawaiian time?


The bright white light that shot out of the open hatch after Kate went down could provide something like that if diffused through the right glass, maybe...

Looked to me like a horizontally-mounted carbon arc light shone down the passageway and up the shaft by the mirror propped up on the floor.

~Dan

anybody found a place to listen to the song online, I've been dying for a fix of that song, it's stuck in my head :)

Perhaps Desmond is part of a group that is conducting some mission/experiment and is squatting in an abandoned military installation?

There stuff there is confusing. Most is old and some newer items may be slip ups.

As Rousseau asked, "Are you on the same Island?"

NOTHING on this show happens by chance...

(Yes, yes, there's the fence visible in outdoor scenes near the beach...But, are you sure that's not part of this strange island complex?)

~Dan

Am I right that the magnetic area looks to have been hastily sealed up? Perhaps after an accident?

Perhaps right after it ripped the ladder out of the escape trunk?

~Dan

The only point about the washer/dryer is either Desmond has been there 3 years or less - or he was there for a re-supply of equipment and/or supplies by somebody else. (Or he lugged a washer/dryer with him on his trek around the world. ;) )

In either case, this begs the question of why the washer and drier are the most modern appliances in the room? Of all the equipment down there, you'd think he'd need a computer upgrade before worrying about his laundry. Very strange.

The way I see it, all the retro stuff dated the bunker itself - the modern stuff dated the last link with civilization.

And to think I was driving myself crazy trying to keep up with this 1 thread. If I tried to keep up with lost-forum.com i'd really go insane

I just watched the opening scene again in slo-mo and I swear he types in the numbers on the keyboard. You don't see them all but he type a number (unseen) then 8 (space) 15 (space bar) 2 (camera switches away). Not sure but it would make sense.

Also saw a ping pong paddle and a baseball in the living room. Tough game to play alone.

Washer and Dryer are brushed aluminum finish as is the trash can

Sink is NOT under install type

The tennis shoes he's wearing while on the bike look a lot like those Jack finds at the entrance.

Above the W\D he has 4 bottles of Downey Fabric Softner, 1 bottle of Tide and a box of something else.

The light switchplate is the newer flat toggle style

Showerhead looks like the new free-flowing type (don't know how else to describe it)

To his protein shake he adds Marachino cherries and what looks like FRESH peaches

The bottle he picks up to inject is labled: CR 4-81516-23 42

He changed to hiking boots after the hatch exploded

Combo lock is tough to make out, looks like 23 42 44

The octogon symbol appears on 2 separate walls as he looks down the hall thru the telescope

The crest on Desmond shirt in the stadium looks like a Pheonix to me.

The drawing on the wall has a 108 in the center of a drawing of a sun, right below it it looks like a 168. As he pans right to his right but still on the wall it looks like the drawing of and eye with 14 in the center (unconfirmed)

New tattoo I hadn't seen before on the underside of Jacks left arm. Looks like a college mascot bird with stars trailing behind it.

As jack pans the wall (close-up) I can make out the words "out" and "sick" and a bunch of stick figure people and counting hash marks

At the magnetized hole there seems to be a low mechanical hum.

For having just showered, Desmonds hands (while holding the gun to Locke's head) are filty dirty.

You know, Rousseau called the "island monster/pissed off giraffe" a "security system". She wouldn't necessarily know exactly what it is, but could just have been making an assumption.

Where I'm going: to me a security system prevents someone from getting into something. When Locke was snagged, it was pulling him INTO the underground facility. Doesn't that sound more like a collection device for specimens? So, the island is quarantined because some sort of experiment is being done on it. The operator occasionally bags a specimen to see the effects of the experiment.

Either that, or it is a variation of the Morlock/Eloi society from the Time Machine. In which case, I'd be wary if Desmond put down the gun and said to Jack, "I'd like to have the three of you over for dinner".

Also saw a ping pong paddle and a baseball in the living room. Tough game to play alone.

Trust me, playing ping-pong with a baseball is a tough game to play even with another person. :D

anybody found a place to listen to the song online, I've been dying for a fix of that song, it's stuck in my head :)

Here;

http://music.msn.com/album/?album=29451161

Make Your Own Kind of Music, Cass Elliott.

Ed

waa,, I want it for free :)

iTunes. $0.99

Ed

Can't help but think the same thing, those washers may be nothing more than product placement type ads.

I agree that they may be product placements BUT...think about it..wouldn't a writer be more loyal to his scene setting than a product placement? It is clear, IMO, that the viewers were supposed to get an idea from the old computers and records that either Desmond has been there a while or that bunker has. Why spoil that by selling out to a washer manufacturer? You would probably get more bang for the buck by selling out to Apple and the iPod. Desmond has a link to get more modern equipment I just don't know why he would choose a washer of all things to have modernized.

The machines could be red herrings but I would think the writers would be more creative than that since the washer and dryer were completely and obviously out of place in Desmonds crib.

People hate to be hoodwinked and if the machines were just product placements then viewers will be a bit upset about that.

True, however the series has a number of broken scenes. In the Airport Hugo (or whatever the big guys name is) starts with two bags, but only has one when he gets to the agent. The Sin guy initially had blood all over his shirt when he returns to wife and house and goes to bathroom to wash hands. Yet 30 seconds later, white shirt slieves are clean. There are other examples.

Same perhaps for laundry area. Old stuff, yet modern W/D and current fabric softner on shelf, with no brand showing.

Facility has all the trappings of a military setup. Guns in locked area (Lots of them). Uniform with logos and heavy shoes/boots.

Ed

Desmond has a link to get more modern equipment I just don't know why he would choose a washer of all things to have modernized.


Never underestimate the rejuvenative powers of a shower and clean clothes.

As for the computer, if it's just a dumb terminal and not a full-fledged PC maybe it connects to a mainframe/server somewhere else via the cable on the beach. Not everyone's an upgrade whore...I don't know why, but they're not ;)

I think the washer dryer combo is very significant. There were examples of very distinct periods from the last few decades...the computers looked like 60's, lava lamps and albums from the 70's, sneakers from the 90's, and appliances from the last couple of years...which would coincide with his appearance with Jack in the stadium. Maybe he makes a trip out to the real world, oh, every 16 years or so. ;)

Also, has anyone considered that Jack maybe another "gifted" person and cured his future wife? Didnt his dad once say he was a gifted surgeon and could do things no one else can?

The computer looked more like a terminal than the PC that is actually doing the heavy lifting. As far as terminals go, there is really no need to upgrade. All you need is something that will run telnet.

The computer looked more like a terminal than the PC that is actually doing the heavy lifting. As far as terminals go, there is really no need to upgrade. All you need is something that will run telnet.

The case, monitor, and stand are an Apple II. It's what made Steve Jobs what he is today. I had that setup for years.

Ed

Desmond has a link to get more modern equipment I just don't know why he would choose a washer of all things to have modernized.

Perhaps the original washer and dryer were the first appliances in the bunker to break down.

~Dan

If you don't think people still listen to and buy new records, you haven't been to the ultra hi-end part of the forum.

Perhaps the original washer and dryer were the first appliances in the bunker to break down.

~Dan

That is too funny. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

The computer looked more like a terminal than the PC that is actually doing the heavy lifting. As far as terminals go, there is really no need to upgrade. All you need is something that will run telnet.

This is what was sold by Apple:

http://www.pc-history.org/apple.htm

I believe this is what is in the picture, minus the disk drives.


Ed

If he does have a home theater down there, I bet he's bitching about the lack of HD programming on ESPN and ESPN2

Perfect LMAO :-)

"My reception is bad!"

"Sir can you realign your dish?"

"No I'm in an underground bunker on an island that might be in the South Pacific in a sealed hatch marked quarantine. Pretty sure I can't realign my fricking dish! Can you give me a month's credit?"

Anyone else notice that Jack didn't have his tats in the flashbacks? At least I didn't see them.

I suppose the OTA reception in the bunker is even worse.

"All I can pick up is a radio station with some French chick on it!"

Sir, can you pick up anything else?

"Well, I did hear some people on a 2-way radio saying they were the survivors of some plane wreck. I was drunk and told them, 'No, we're the survivors of Oceanic flight 815.' That's all."

Some jackass on AVS said it was OK to "move" to NYC and now you're telling me I can't order an HD-Tivo delivered to my bunker?

If you don't think people still listen to and buy new records, you haven't been to the ultra hi-end part of the forum.

Puuulease...I have records myself. With that said, I'm willing to bet that there are VERY few households with Duets that have such a prominent display of records and old computer equipment.

One perspective may be that the bunker was originally built many years ago and people moved back and forth between it and the modern world. At some point more recently (last few years) the powers that be decided that someone needed to stay there full time and overnight. That could explain why the living area seems so modern. If you recall, the beds and breakfast nook (area with the booth) did not look particularly worn. OTOH, that person should also have brought in CDs with the washer so what the heck do I know.

What is also very interesting to me is the weapons cache. Seems like a ton of firepower for an abandoned island with a limited population when the occupants of the bunker are in a space with a sealed hatch.

Anyway..point is that they do look odd in a bunker/apartment that has hundreds of records and 60's era computers and tape drives.

Actually, *my* house has lots of records and 70's era computers and tape drives. :D

You know, in case I ever get around to building that "computer museum".

There stuff there is confusing. Most is old and some newer items may be slip ups.

No way they were slip ups. For one thing, the producers are keenly aware of how much people like us nitpick this show, and read into every little thing. Second, I'm sure they got product placement deals for every one of those newer products...no chance any of it was by mistake.

I also didn't feel there was an inordinate amount of firepower. That bunker complex has to be bigger than my house. :)

Actually, *my* house has lots of records and 70's era computers and tape drives. :D

You know, in case I ever get around to building that "computer museum".

Do you have Duets?

I just watched the opening scene again in slo-mo and I swear he types in the numbers on the keyboard. You don't see them all but he type a number (unseen) then 8 (space) 15 (space bar) 2 (camera switches away). Not sure but it would make sense.

Also saw a ping pong paddle and a baseball in the living room. Tough game to play alone.

Washer and Dryer are brushed aluminum finish as is the trash can

Sink is NOT under install type

The tennis shoes he's wearing while on the bike look a lot like those Jack finds at the entrance.

Above the W\D he has 4 bottles of Downey Fabric Softner, 1 bottle of Tide and a box of something else.

The light switchplate is the newer flat toggle style

Showerhead looks like the new free-flowing type (don't know how else to describe it)

To his protein shake he adds Marachino cherries and what looks like FRESH peaches

The bottle he picks up to inject is labled: CR 4-81516-23 42

He changed to hiking boots after the hatch exploded

Combo lock is tough to make out, looks like 23 42 44

The octogon symbol appears on 2 separate walls as he looks down the hall thru the telescope

The crest on Desmond shirt in the stadium looks like a Pheonix to me.

The drawing on the wall has a 108 in the center of a drawing of a sun, right below it it looks like a 168. As he pans right to his right but still on the wall it looks like the drawing of and eye with 14 in the center (unconfirmed)

New tattoo I hadn't seen before on the underside of Jacks left arm. Looks like a college mascot bird with stars trailing behind it.

As jack pans the wall (close-up) I can make out the words "out" and "sick" and a bunch of stick figure people and counting hash marks

At the magnetized hole there seems to be a low mechanical hum.

For having just showered, Desmonds hands (while holding the gun to Locke's head) are filty dirty.


Great list. Here are a few other things we know, just to recap:

The washer/dryer set are Whirlpool Duets or Kenmore Elite HE series (Duets rebadged for Sears) which are at least from 2002 or later. Liquid Tide in the EZ-pour bottle, lemon Dawn, are also quite new.

The guy that dies in the car crash was Shannon's father (name was Rutherford).

Played backwards, Walt says to Shannon something like:
"Where is the button? No button's bad"
"Don't touch the button, the button is bad"
"Press the button, no button's bad"
(whatever he says, there is definitely a "button" and a "bad")

Light coming up from the hatch was actually the spotlight from the hallway reflected up by the mirror.

Numbers in season1 ep 1:
- 4 8 15 2.. typed into the PC at the beginning
- Man dies at 8:15
- Jack falls on the steps in row 23?
- numbers are written on injection bottle
- 108 is written in the drawing at the bottom of the hatch:
- 4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108
I must be missing a few others

And to think I sold off my Apple IIgs after college. *sniff, sniff*

Except what Walt says, doesn't need to be played backwards.

With that said, I'm willing to bet that there are VERY few households with Duets that have such a prominent display of records and old computer equipment.

Probably right...but my house would be one of the few that's stuck halfway between very modern and hi-tech, and very old/retro (yet still very functional.) I'll have a PS3 when it comes out, and it'll be right next to my original 2 player dedicated home Pong. My original Macintosh, though, is now converted into a fish tank...although it *is* prominent.. (The 3 different variations of VCS/2600/Telesystem, 5200, 7800, 400, 800, 800XL, 1200XL, 130XE, 520ST, 1040ST, Mega ST2, TT030, Falcon030, Apple IIe, Vic-20, C-64, Stunt Cycle, Ultra Pong, Ultra Pong Doubles, NES, PS, and TRS-80 Model I with tape drive, plus various drives, monitors, printers, and software to with all that crap...that's mostly in the basement. Or, my own little bunker ;) ) My new LG french door refrigerator sits next to my 1950's diner style table and chairs...

I think I have a problem...A sickness, really...

You all realize we will have to wait 2 weeks for an update on the hatch, right? We get the raft people next week...sorry to disappoint some of you. Also remember the producers did say that Episode 3 would reveal a lot more about what the h*ll is going on. That would make sense.

Ok, Walt forward and reverse attached!
Make your own call....the reverse sure sounds like "press the button....no button's bad" to me! :confused:

right click on the attachment as select "save target as"

Ok, i'll tell then. Walt said to Shannon "Don't push the button",, the only thing i can get from that was at the end when Jack was at the computer getting ready to press enter and Locke said not to do that with a gun pointed at his head.

Actually, that's not what he said, it was:

"Press the button. No button is bad"

Here it is reversed (the correct way) and slowed down.

http://www.prestonandsteve.com/audio/24.mp3

It's not a spoiler, it already played.
I like how that goes along with Locke going... I wouldn't do that if I were you, to Jack when he was in the bunker thing.

Ok, Walt forward and reverse attached!
Make your own call....the reverse sure sounds like "press the button....no button's bad" to me! :confused:

right click on the attachment as select "save target as"

Thanks for posting these...

On the reverse, I hear "press the button...no button's bad"

Holy crap, I was joking about playing it backwards - I thought the "button" comments were just replayed via Tivos.

and another clip, reversed and slowed down, processed for clarity:

A rather dark season opener. Plasma hates darkness :rolleyes:

Show was pretty good though.

sounds like "press the button, nobody's there" to me...

....and, if you add the numbers up in REVERSE order, they total 108! :)

So, when was the last time a show had HOMEWORK? I seriously doubt I would have thought to play Walt's message backwards.

I'm not sure who scares me more: the island, the P.O.G., the others, the hatch, the producers or you guys!

Ok, I listened again, this time with a $500 pair of headphones.

It *definitely* says: "I like mutton. You're all being had." :D

Ok, I listened again, this time with a $500 pair of headphones.

It *definitely* says: "I like mutton. You're all being had." :D

So it's a reference to Kate, because she is on the lam(b)?

The producers scare me the most...to think that they had enough confidence that someone would play Walt's message backwards, that they actually dropped a clue that way!

~Dan

I think it's clear that Desmond belongs to some agency called DHARMA.

His accent sounds Aussie or Kiwi to me. He wakes up 4-3 hours before sunrise so his base might be Hawaii or something else to the east.

He must communicate through that cable on the beach or through radio frequency, but the french woman has changed the transmission for 16 years playing on a loop.

I think it's clear that Desmond belongs to some agency called DHARMA.

His accent sounds Aussie or Kiwi to me. He wakes up 4-3 hours before sunrise so his base might be Hawaii or something else to the east.

He must communicate through that cable on the beach or through radio frequency, but the french woman has changed the transmission for 16 years playing on a loop.

That agency wouldn't be Dharma and Greg would it?

That agency wouldn't be Dharma and Greg would it?

Hah! I beat you to this pun by 14 hours! (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6233063&&#post6233063)

:D

~Dan

OK liked the first ep. of S2 but they can't just reveal a plot thread without creating another mystery. Sure show what's in the hatch but make the viewers go "WTF?" by having someone Jack met briefly in the past show up again. Then there is a miracle of the girl coming through surgery with no paralysis.

And when Hurley explains the numbers, only to Jack, the reaction is "meh." Why isn't Hurley telling everyone about the Twilight Zone with the numbers?

Not one iota of info. about what happened to Walt and the guys on the raft.

Oh and you would think the Aussie guy would have picked up some CDs and a laptop while he was running the stadium. How do those magnetic tapes in that ancient computer work when the walls are emitting a strong magnetic field?

Hah! I beat you to this pun by 14 hours! (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6233063&&#post6233063)

:D

~Dan


Darn! :D

And to think I was driving myself crazy trying to keep up with this 1 thread. If I tried to keep up with lost-forum.com i'd really go insane

I'd never heard of that site (lost-forum.com), so I checked it out. I won't be returning :rolleyes: .

It's fine, if you don't mind constant AOL speak, and PLENTY of exclamation points in each post. There might be some good info there, but I couldn't get past the:

"K, pplz.."

"OMG, check it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"no way, cuz like...."

etc...

Anybody speculate where Desmond is getting all that electricity? Must need a lot of fuel if powered by generators. Or perhaps that's a source of the black smoke. And where's the heavy equipment that had to have been used to excavate the amount of terrain necessary to bury the bunker and leave so little external evidence?

I noticed a lot of the plumbing in the bunker looked like what you see on some ships. Sure seemed to be leaking a lot - I wonder where it drains to?

If the blast broke the ladder then why wasn't it broken at the top and why wasn't the mirror at the bottom of the shaft shattered? Also, there must be significance to why the ladder was broken and not cleanly cut.

Do we know for certain that the guy in the bunker is Desmond? Seems like we have to assume it's the same guy but something doesn't add up in the apparent mismatch of his basic personality. If he is basically the same "gifted" guy who took such an interest in Jack at the stadium, why is he needing to threaten Jack with a gun now?

Also, even though we might assume the bunker guy always shoots up (because it makes sense that it's a daily "inoculation" or something) - maybe this was a special occasion and he was preparing to meet the inevitable visitors that would be making their way down the shaft that day. I also wondered why he didn't already have his vision system lined up for that hatch, which definitely implies there was more than one use for it.

Tim

Jack's numbers on his St. Sebastian tag:

Dr. Jack Shephard

75626-67


Also the DHARMA seal is on the Apple II as well.

OK liked the first ep. of S2 but they can't just reveal a plot thread without creating another mystery. Sure show what's in the hatch but make the viewers go "WTF?" by having someone Jack met briefly in the past show up again. Then there is a miracle of the girl coming through surgery with no paralysis.

And when Hurley explains the numbers, only to Jack, the reaction is "meh." Why isn't Hurley telling everyone about the Twilight Zone with the numbers?

Not one iota of info. about what happened to Walt and the guys on the raft.

Oh and you would think the Aussie guy would have picked up some CDs and a laptop while he was running the stadium. How do those magnetic tapes in that ancient computer work when the walls are emitting a strong magnetic field?Noooo wco81! Please! You're not going to do this all season again are you? Save yourself some heartache (us too) and stop watching right now :D.

Great EP. IMO Lost is simply the best show on TV.


ron

Oh please. If the only point of these or any other forums about the show is to virtually bow to the producers, what would be the point?

Plus, maybe they're getting more to the point this season because in most forums, people got fed up with the stalling and filler eps.

Does anyone remember what Ethan was wearing? for some reason When I saw Desmond pick out on of those grey shirts off the hanger, I felt as if I had seen it before. I seem to remember Ethan wearing something similar.


Hopefully he has a few more sets of clothes somewhere besides his drab shirts in order to make use of his shiny new washer/dryer. :)

I'm not sure if this is that important, but Desmond is Scottish, not Irish or Australian.

I agree that the hatch must not be the main entrance, since it cannot be opened from outside without dynamite and it was almost completely covered up with dirt.

A terrific episode! I've enjoyed reading all your posts and learning about a lot of details I missed. I dont know what I'd do without this thread! :)

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Is "Insert" a noun or verb? :)

Was it just me, or did Desmond have a distinct AUSTRALIAN accent?
Sounds Scottish. Do Irish say "Aye" for yes?

Jack: I wasn't trying to catch up.
Desmond: Aye, of course you weren't.

Or to steal a joke from Seinfeld, maybe he grew up on the border. :D

Is "Insert" a noun or verb? :)
I reckon they mean an noun... yet the odd capitalization makes it hard to say! :)

Sounds Scottish. Do Irish say "Aye" for yes?

Jack: I wasn't trying to catch up.
Desmond: Aye, of course you weren't.

Or to steal a joke from Seinfeld, maybe he grew up on the border. :D
That would put him the middle of the Irish Sea, maybe the medicine is for a chronic case of motion sickness... :)

Did we go through the thought that maybe the reason Desmond is calling Jack brother is because he's Jack's brother?

If we had, it didn't last long. But why DID jack's dad go to Austraila anyways?

On another note, where is Kate? Why isn't she cracking desmond on the back of the head for pointing a gun at Locke. And Why did she stack her shoes so neatly near the entrance?

Did we go through the thought that maybe the reason Desmond is calling Jack brother is because he's Jack's brother?

If we had, it didn't last long. But why DID jack's dad go to Austraila anyways?

On another note, where is Kate? Why isn't she cracking desmond on the back of the head for pointing a gun at Locke. And Why did she stack her shoes so neatly near the entrance?
A good friend of mine called today and said the same exact thing, he had just finished watching last season on DVD and then last night's episode and that's the first thing he said, how did Jack's brother get there. I explained that I doubted it was his brother and that term was used as a salutation of sorts, but he wasn't convinced. Who knows with this show, it could be...

OK liked the first ep. of S2 but they can't just reveal a plot thread without creating another mystery. Sure show what's in the hatch but make the viewers go "WTF?" by having someone Jack met briefly in the past show up again. Then there is a miracle of the girl coming through surgery with no paralysis.
Yeah, it's like they want us to watch the next episode. And the episode after that. And the one after that! This could go on for years! I don't have that time to waste! Damn them all! :rolleyes:

Hey its filmed in Hawaii scolumbo

I cant wait to check this out

Jack's numbers on his St. Sebastian tag:

Probably rehashed ad nauseam elsewhere, but what about St. Sebastian? Any clues there?

Just a read of this summary makes me think of a lot of the Lost cast characters and set up. Wealthy son, military, prison, healer, believer, death, survival, random/isolation/plague?

"Son of a wealthy Roman family. Educated in Milan. Officer of the Imperial Roman army, and captain of the guard. Favorite of Diocletian. During Diocletian's persecution of the Christians, Sebastian visited them in prison, bringing supplies and comfort. Reported to have healed the wife of a brother soldier by making the Sign of the Cross over her. Converted soldiers and a governor.

Charged as a Christian, Sebastian was tied to a tree, shot with arrows, and left for dead. He survived, recovered, and returned to preach to Diocletian. The emperor then had him beaten to death.

During the 14th century, the random nature of infection with the Black Death caused people to liken the plague to their villages being shot by an army of nature's archers. In desparation they prayed for the intercession of a saint associated with archers, and Saint Sebastian became associated with the plague."

I'm not sure if this is that important, but Desmond is Scottish, not Irish or Australian.
I did some Googling and the name Desmond is variously listed as being Irish or Gaelic in origin; and meaning either "man of the world" or "from South Munster" (an area of Ireland).

someone mentioned a smirk on desmond's face when he reveals himself to jack at the end ... i just watched that scene about 10 times over and there does indeed seem to be a bit of a smirk there, but to me it seems like desmond's expression is showing a lot of worry, or concern. certainly no anger though.

so either this guy is a real bad actor, or he's not angry at all and is simply in 'defense mode' at this point. if that's the case I'd imagine things will cool off real quick next time we see the folks in the hole.

Random thoughts.

They opened again with a closeup of an eye. Nice to see the consistancy.

We knew Hurley was a mental patient after his flashback episode in season 1. I missed that detail the first time it aired and commented about it during reruns.

Did you notice how bad Jack's badge from St. Sebastian's looked? You could clearly see the labels stuck on over the rest of the printed badge.

Walt looked noticeably older in his appearance. Playing it forwards at full volume, I thought the second part of what he said sounded like "I need someone to look through. . . "

I assumed the magnetic key deal was from power being generated on the other side of the wall.

I'm thinking Desmond is not supernatural. The island probably sucked him on his race around the world. I do think the quarrantine is to keep whatever made the Others sick outside. And sharing water isn't that out of place after a hard workout. "Brother" was just because he didn't know Jack's name -- not unlike, "Man", "Buddy", etc. If I did want to go supernatural / fantastic / sci-fi, I'd push towards time travel. Flashback was of the Desmond of the future meeting Jack in the past. Having already met Desmond, Desmond's now meeting Jack for the first time. That theory should get disproved pretty quickly once the scene unfolds though.

OK, I've finally caught up reading every post for the past 24 hours. Please, nobody post anything until episode 2. Thanks in advance. :)

Random thoughts.

They opened again with a closeup of an eye. Nice to see the consistancy.

We knew Hurley was a mental patient after his flashback episode in season 1. I missed that detail the first time it aired and commented about it during reruns.

Did you notice how bad Jack's badge from St. Sebastian's looked? You could clearly see the labels stuck on over the rest of the printed badge.

Walt looked noticeably older in his appearance. Playing it forwards at full volume, I thought the second part of what he said sounded like "I need someone to look through. . . "

I assumed the magnetic key deal was from power being generated on the other side of the wall.

I'm thinking Desmond is not supernatural. The island probably sucked him on his race around the world. I do think the quarrantine is to keep whatever made the Others sick outside. And sharing water isn't that out of place after a hard workout. "Brother" was just because he didn't know Jack's name -- not unlike, "Man", "Buddy", etc. If I did want to go supernatural / fantastic / sci-fi, I'd push towards time travel. Flashback was of the Desmond of the future meeting Jack in the past. Having already met Desmond, Desmond's now meeting Jack for the first time. That theory should get disproved pretty quickly once the scene unfolds though.

I also noticed Walt looked older, but just thought maybe he (the actor) had a growth spurt over the summer.

Time-travel stories can be fun, so that would be an okay plot for me...but like you said it is probably unlikely and will be dipsroved in the next few eps.

Forgive me if this has already been discussed - I think I got through all the new posts and didn't see this referenced anywhere.

I turned on Closed Captioning to see if it said anything interesting during Shannon's encounter with Walt. I think it said something like, "whispers" or something like that. Of course we now know what he said, so that's not relevant. Being lazy, I left CC on and skipped through the rest of the show. Here's the interesting part: when Jack enters the hatch room towards the end, he looks slowly around the room at everything, then suddenly the music comes blasting on. The CC, as expected, displays the lyrics to the song that's blaring. But 3 times it says, "JACK!" and if you listen REALLY closely, you can hear what sounds like Kate calling his name. Of course he can't hear her cause the music is so loud, and I would never have listened for it had the CC not been on.

I'll leave it to everyone else to decide for yourselves what that means as far as her condition. Just thought it was interesting.

Desmond turned on the music so it would drown out Kate yelling Jack's name ... but you can hear it if you listen closely. I didn't know about it until I read something on another forum about the closed captioning.

Desmond turned on the music so it would drown out Kate yelling Jack's name ... but you can hear it if you listen closely. I didn't know about it until I read something on another forum about the closed captioning.

Good catch, guys! I replayed this scene, and when he's in the dome with the computer equipment, you can definitely hear her say "Jack!", three times...

~Dan

And sharing water isn't that out of place after a hard workout.

Plus it is a great way to get magic serum #48-151623-42 into Jack so he will survive the upcoming impossible-to-survive plane crash.

Oh, and if you want to see someone with a lot of time on his hands, check out this "numbers" site:

http://thelostnumbers1.greatestjournal.com/

Oh, and if you want to see someone with a lot of time on his hands, check out this "numbers" site:

http://thelostnumbers1.greatestjournal.com/


Some of those are just plain ridiculous. Talk about a stretch.

One thing that seems odd. In S1, we saw a number of pictures of the hatch before they blew it open. It appears to be fairly small, perhaps less than 3 feet square. However now that it’s open, the opening seems to be much bigger, perhaps 5 feet or more.

Ed

Whew... caught up after finally seeing the episode. Talk about freaking weird! I'm curious where Jack's wife ended up. It was the same woman he saved, right? He's never been wearing a ring this whole time.

Holy crap, I was joking about playing it backwards - I thought the "button" comments were just replayed via Tivos.

Is it possible to play it backwards and hear sound through the Tivo??When I rewind i don't hear any sound.

On that clip I definitely hear "Press the Button, no button's bad".

You know, I thought that as well, but then why remove all the rungs from the bottom? If anything, it would tend to keep the person in the underground facility put.
Actually, just the opposite is true. If you remove enough of the rungs at the bottom, it keeps people from climbing down, but someone below can pull up a ladder and climb right up.

In either case, this begs the question of why the washer and drier are the most modern appliances in the room? Of all the equipment down there, you'd think he'd need a computer upgrade before worrying about his laundry. Very strange.
Computer systems in government operations are often very specialized for a specific task. This makes upgrating very difficult (read: space shuttle which still has less computing power that your average modern diver's watch). Often the computers and software are so integrated (or do something so very simple) it's not worth the upgrade. In addition, new technology potentially introduces bugs and glitches into a system that may absolutely need to run flawlessly. Whatever Desmond is doing with that system, it's obviously important. What would happen if that system fails could potentially be catastophic. In the end, the simpler system may be best. That's one reason I laugh when I see touchscreens and flat panel displays on space ships in scifi movies. In the end, the original Star Trek had it right: hard keyswitches and proven CRT technology beats the record of any of that other stuff. I still have my 20+ year old IBM PCjr on display in my office. It works flawlessly and it's shocking just how much they could do with 128K of memory (though obviously the Apple in the show didn't have that much).

Washers and dryers, on the other hand, have many moving parts to break and older units used way too much power and water. In addition, water conditions can kill washers. My parents have very hard water - the washer is 20 years old, but only from replacing the water pump every 5 years or so.


One Note: In TV and movies, it's fairly common for the good guys to use Apple computers (the first season of 24 is the most pronounced example). If Desmond is using an Apple, he might be a good guy.

Actually, that's not what he said, it was:

"Press the button. No button is bad"

Here it is reversed (the correct way) and slowed down.

http://www.prestonandsteve.com/audio/24.mp3

It's not a spoiler, it already played.
I like how that goes along with Locke going... I wouldn't do that if I were you, to Jack when he was in the bunker thing.

No, no, no. Listen more closely. It's hard to hear, but it's there. He blends the word "Don't" into the word "Press" at the beginning. He just ramps right up into it. He says it like "Don'tpress the button". He then goes on to say "the button's bad." He ramps into it the same way on the second sentence.

It goes along with the scene with Locke even more when you consider those two characters are intertwined somehow and both are saying the same thing.

Just posted a spoiler in the spoilers thread that is pretty huge ;). Man is this show fun.

Sorry, I can't read all the posts (man this show generates a lot of buzz) to catch up. Has it been established Desmond has a companion? No one would sleep on the top of a bunk-bed if they were alone.

Is it possible to play it backwards and hear sound through the Tivo??When I rewind i don't hear any sound.

On that clip I definitely hear "Press the Button, no button's bad".

No it's not possible. I jokingly suggested playing it backwards early on. When people started posting the button comments, I thought they were just replaying that scene and carefully listening to what Walt said. I must have missed the fact that they had actually recorded and replayed his audio backwards.

Sorry, I can't read all the posts (man this show generates a lot of buzz) to catch up. Has it been established Desmond has a companion? No one would sleep on the top of a bunk-bed if they were alone.

My kids would.

Just posted a spoiler in the spoilers thread that is pretty huge ;). Man is this show fun.

I am so tempted, but I didn't even like seeing the description of the next episode when I setup a Season Pass.

Then again, if it is just speculation that sounds very feasible - I may peek. Can you tell us if it comes from any official or semi-official source?

No it's not possible. I jokingly suggested playing it backwards early on. When people started posting the button comments, I thought they were just replaying that scene and carefully listening to what Walt said. I must have missed the fact that they had actually recorded and replayed his audio backwards.


Thanks. I admit to going through all the menus last night trying to find something that would give you audio when rewinding. It was a pretty good waste of a 1/2 hour of my life.

My kids would.
So would I - I always picked the top bunk at camp. I still would.

I am so tempted, but I didn't even like seeing the description of the next episode when I setup a Season Pass.

Then again, if it is just speculation that sounds very feasible - I may peek. Can you tell us if it comes from any official or semi-official source?


I peeked. I'm not buying it.

You have to admit it is REALLY interesting ;). Not from any official sources Panther, just from some detective work.

So would I - I always picked the top bunk at camp. I still would.

Gotta go with the top bunk crowd here...never fond of the bottom bunk.

I'm so weak...read it. Actually, it may be a lot of nothing, but the similarities are rather remarkable.

Interesting. When Hurley first met him, Ethan said that he was from Canada.

I see where you're going with this. Now I understand why our government is outlawing us from buying meds online from Canada :rolleyes:

You have to admit it is REALLY interesting ;). Not from any official sources Panther, just from some detective work.

I read it also. It's interesting, but similar to suggestions we've already made here. Keep in mind that it would only work in space - which makes it much less feasible than the Truman Show type of scenario we've discussed.

I read it also. It's interesting, but similar to suggestions we've already made here. Keep in mind that it would only work in space - which makes it much less feasible than the Truman Show type of scenario we've discussed.

Dammit now I have to go read this darn thing. Better be good :-)

Gotta go with the top bunk crowd here...never fond of the bottom bunk.I guess you guys haven't seen too many "prison" movies! :D

I'm not sure if this is that important, but Desmond is Scottish, not Irish or Australian.
My wife thought so too.

As for him waking up 3-4 hours before sunrise, perhaps it has nothing to do with the "day" on this island, but he wakes up at nighttime in Scotland. ie someone monitors the hatch during the day from Europe and he wake up and takes the "night" shift. :confused:

As for the numbers, after you get to 108, if you add 1+0+8=9 which is divisble by 3. It is a math trick where if you take any number and add the individual numbers together, if the resulting number is 3,6 or 9, the number will be divisible by 3. For example, take 12,345: 1+2+3+4+5=15: 1+5=6 the number should be divisible by 3. 12,345/3=4115

PS. Does anyone watch Numb3rs?

My wife thought so too.

As for him waking up 3-4 hours before sunrise, perhaps it has nothing to do with the "day" on this island, but he wakes up at nighttime in Scotland. ie someone monitors the hatch during the day from Europe and he wake up and takes the "night" shift. :confused:

As for the numbers, after you get to 108, if you add 1+0+8=9 which is divisble by 3. It is a math trick where if you take any number and add the individual numbers together, if the resulting number is 3,6 or 9, the number will be divisible by 3. For example, take 12,345: 1+2+3+4+5=15: 1+5=6 the number should be divisible by 3. 12,345/3=4115

PS. Does anyone watch Numb3rs?

Good show...not sure how long they can milk the math angle though. Here's hoping.

Is that a wine bottle un-corker on the edge of the table? I wonder if he has a home theater in there somewhere..? :D

What are the chances that he's playing either (a) the Lost season 1 dvd's or (b) Lost on ABC-HD on his HT ? If so, what does he need security cameras for ?

You know, I thought that as well, but then why remove all the rungs from the bottom? If anything, it would tend to keep the person in the underground facility put.

I can't resolve the issue of old/new stuff in my mind so this theory breaks down quickly:

It was/is designed as a fallout shelter. It was designed and constructed during the cold war as a "Samson" option in the event of a first strike against (insert country).

Desmond is awaiting a signal on his Apple II PC telling him to "launch the nukes" in retaliation for a first strike from (insert name of another country).

Either that or......

SHALL WE PLAY A GAME ? How about Global Thermonuclear war ?

I read it also. It's interesting, but similar to suggestions we've already made here. Keep in mind that it would only work in space - which makes it much less feasible than the Truman Show type of scenario we've discussed.


I fully admit it could be one of those things that influenced the producers in the first place, but that they are dangling as a red herring. But MAN is it similar...

Another possibly interesting tidbit...We saw Desmond washing his dishes after he ate, yet there are dirty dishes piled up on the counter. Maybe he's got a messy roommate running around somewhere?

that bastard Ethan, he goes out to play but couldn't even clean up his bloody dishes

Eh, they're all dead and they just don't know it... no-one could have survived that plane crash.

I think we're all supposed to forget about the whole plane crash thing. They've morphed the "monster" into a mechanical "security system" and have been moving away from the more supernatural elements. Not sure if they will ever be able to explain the crash (logically) when at the time it was filmed they had the luxury of falling back on the mysterious "powers" of the island.

Or it's possible that the actual crash never happened and it is only an implanted mass memory given to all the "survivors".

I think we're all supposed to forget about the whole plane crash thing. They've morphed the "monster" into a mechanical "security system" and have been moving away from the more supernatural elements. Not sure if they will ever be able to explain the crash (logically) when at the time it was filmed they had the luxury of falling back on the mysterious "powers" of the island.

Or it's possible that the actual crash never happened and it is only an implanted mass memory given to all the "survivors".

No survivors...only their CLONES :-) (I haven't forgotten or given up on this yet lol)

SHALL WE PLAY A GAME ? How about Global Thermonuclear war ?
...and the computers are an early version of W.O.P.R.?

That's OK, as long as they keep "entertaining" us, we can suspend belief and keep watching. "Iteki" were you the one who posted the original "Kate" pictures... I'm glad to see she's "Lost" none of her "hotness" factor! :D

I know they can only "cram" so much into an hour... but what happened to the guy's on the raft?

I know they can only "cram" so much into an hour... but what happened to the guy's on the raft?

That is likely to be next weeks story.

Ed

That's OK, as long as they keep "entertaining" us, we can suspend belief and keep watching. "Iteki" were you the one who posted the original "Kate" pictures... I'm glad to see she's "Lost" none of her "hotness" factor! :D

I know they can only "cram" so much into an hour... but what happened to the guy's on the raft?

No I think I posted a link to the pics of Grace Park from Battlestar Galactica during one of the many lulls between new episodes.

http://www.maximonline.com/girls_of_maxim/pop_up.aspx?image_url_value=/girls/grace_park/gm_l1.jpg

I too would like to know how the boys are going to get back to the island after the big boom. Probably some pieces can be lashed together and used as a flotation device. Remember the end of Jaws?

My feeling is that the writers will take the simpler approach in Lost. One of the things that made the X-Files last so long was that many things were never resolved, and left somewhat open.

I suspect there is no master plot, like in the Matrix, but instead a series of smaller stories that intertwine. It’s a little like the 4400 series. Just when you think all is going to be exposed and tied together, it takes a different turn and moves on. That kind of approach makes for more seasons.

Clearly the bunker has power, so if they become allies, their power needs may be a thing of the past. It’s not yet clear it has communications, but it seems constructed for multiple people. Lots of guns, multiple bunks, ping pong tables, expansive space, all spell more people. Most of the stuff is clearly old and low tech.

The guy inside did not seem concerned about getting out, so he probably has a clear mission of some sort. I suspect the bunker was built decades ago for a different purpose, and is now used for something else. Exactly what is the subject of coming episodes.

Ed

Ok, I listened again, this time with a $500 pair of headphones.

It *definitely* says: "I like mutton. You're all being had." :D

Sorry, but I listened to it in Logic7 on my Lexicon with Genesis speakers.

It absolutely says: "Hurley's a glutton. He owes me $24,000."

No I think I posted a link to the pics of Grace Park from Battlestar Galactica during one of the many lulls between new episodes.But unlike Kate... we have many copies of Boomer! :) I too would like to know how the boys are going to get back to the island after the big boom. Probably some pieces can be lashed together and used as a flotation device. Remember the end of Jaws?Well, if they wind up drowning and then wake-up back on the beach... I'm out-of-here! ;)

Don't forget Sawyer is in the water somewhere and has a gun. He might be able to take over the "others'" boat and ride that back to the island.

I too would like to know how the boys are going to get back to the island after the big boom.

It was not clear how long they had been gone, or how far they went. Given that they're in water, getting fire out might be a little easier. They might well just cling to what's left and end up washing back up on shore. That would be the simpler approach.

There is also the question as to whether all three will make it back.

Ed

Or make it back to which group of survivors.

I turned on Closed Captioning to see if it said anything interesting during Shannon's encounter with Walt. I think it said something like, "whispers" or something like that.
It said "Walt: [indistinct whisper]". Not much help there. :)

I have a feeling that we will see additional survivors in episode 2 and episode 3 is where the "master plan" is revealed.

At some point, we should see the camp split into two factions with Jack and Locke as leaders.

When the episode title was revealed several weeks ago I am sure most of thought:

Jack=Man of Science
Locke= Man of Faith

After watching the episode I now think that Desmond was the Man of Faith or even Jack was both (Jack needed to have faith to heal his future wife)

No survivors...only their CLONES :-) (I haven't forgotten or given up on this yet lol)

You know when they first showed the computer scene and the Apple II...I thought, if that's a Franklin instead of an Apple...then there are some clones running around :)

Anyone else think the other survivors have also come into contact with Desmond before, whether they remember it or not?

Was Desmond on the plane?

Jack is the man of science, Locke is the man of faith. Locke even said it in the episode.

I suppose Desmond could have been on the plane, but that wouldn't explain how he found an entrance to the bunker and figured out how to use everything and is suspicious of people who are coming to see him.

[QUOTE=I suppose Desmond could have been on the plane, but that wouldn't explain how he found an entrance to the bunker and figured out how to use everything and is suspicious of people who are coming to see him.[/QUOTE]


He has it made and won't share? Just a stray thought.

I suppose Desmond could have been on the plane, but that wouldn't explain how he found an entrance to the bunker and figured out how to use everything and is suspicious of people who are coming to see him.

I have a gut feeling that Desmond isn't a bad guy, or else he would have just killed Kate and Locke. His smirk says to me he was expecting to see Jack sooner or later...

As to the top bunk thing, could the bottom bunk have been Ethan's?

~Dan

Perhaps. Maybe Ethan wanted to take Clair to the "protection" of the bunker for her own safety?

Or for the uninfected baby's safety?

Did we go through the thought that maybe the reason Desmond is calling Jack brother is because he's Jack's brother?

If we had, it didn't last long. But why DID jack's dad go to Austraila anyways?

On another note, where is Kate? Why isn't she cracking desmond on the back of the head for pointing a gun at Locke. And Why did she stack her shoes so neatly near the entrance?
Kate didn't wear those type of shoes, it you remember she took some hiking boots offa dead passenger.

Or for the uninfected baby's safety?
Where was the baby by the way, did we see it in this episode?

this was probably discussed before i joined back in ... but are they planning on airing the entire season uninterrupted? or can we expect more 4 week breaks every other episode?

When the episode title was revealed several weeks ago I am sure most of thought:

Jack=Man of Science
Locke= Man of Faith

After watching the episode I now think that Desmond was the Man of Faith or even Jack was both (Jack needed to have faith to heal his future wife)

Jack had no faith even at Sara's bedside after his attempt to "fix" her.

I still am puzzled about Desmond's advice to Jack to "lift it up". What was he getting at? Most certainly, Jack is now in that "other life" Desmond said they would meet in.

Why is there an attempt to tease us about Locke's fate at Desmond's gunpoint? Locke (nor Jack or Kate) would never be killed off this early in the game. After the guts it took to give us the opening scene it seems to me to be rather academic to leave this episode on a non-cliffhanger. But I also guess the real element to ponder at the ending is who the heck is Desmond and what is his mission, not Locke's fate.

I have a gut feeling that Desmond isn't a bad guy, or else he would have just killed Kate and Locke.
Having been locked in that cave for who knows how long, he may have plans to keep them alive. Especially Kate.

It said "Walt: [indistinct whisper]". Not much help there. :) Ran it on my radio show, this morning. The consensus was along the lines of what we've all been saying, "Press the button. No button's bad," etc. Although one woman insisted Walt was saying, "Pass the pudding. The pudding's bad." :)

Doc

Or for the uninfected baby's safety?

So if he's trying to protect the baby, why not just tell them so? Why kill people in order to get what you want? I'm not buying Ethan's actions as altruistic. Maybe when his clones comes back he can answer some questions :-)

So if he's trying to protect the baby, why not just tell them so?

Because, if they're infected with something nasty, there's no sense in wasting time reasoning with them. They're just going to go crazy and die anyway?

Because, if they're infected with something nasty, there's no sense in wasting time reasoning with them. They're just going to go crazy and die anyway?

Then why bother threatening them? Crazy people don't respond to threats very well. :-)

I suppose Desmond could have been on the plane, but that wouldn't explain how he found an entrance to the bunker and figured out how to use everything and is suspicious of people who are coming to see him.
They might take an "onion" approach to the storyline where we never find out who's in charge, like they've done in Alias and 24 (especially the second season). Desmond may have been on the plane (or another plane) and was quickly recruited and trained to work for some mysterious organization that owns the complex. Of course we'll discover that organization is a front for another more mysterious organization, which is actually working for Kate's dead mom.... and so on.

I only suspect this because it's been used by other shows to fill up a season.

For having just showered, Desmonds hands (while holding the gun to Locke's head) are filty dirty.

There was a gap of time between when the hatch blew and when Jack encountered Desmond. Jack & Locke went back to camp after blowing the hatch and then returned later. Who knows what Desmond was doing during that time?

Sounds Scottish. Do Irish say "Aye" for yes?

Jack: I wasn't trying to catch up.
Desmond: Aye, of course you weren't.

Or to steal a joke from Seinfeld, maybe he grew up on the border. :D

Maybe but I know for sure that PIRATES say "Aye" for yes! ......... well they do. :o

Just a thought, wasn't there some issue with the "others" on the boat that took Walt being twins? Maybe its not Desmond. What do you think brothers?

So if he's trying to protect the baby, why not just tell them so? Why kill people in order to get what you want? I'm not buying Ethan's actions as altruistic. Maybe when his clones comes back he can answer some questions :-)Hey, if you were "Lost" on that island for 16 years... you might forget how to say "please" too! :D Why is there an attempt to tease us about Locke's fate at Desmond's gunpoint? Locke (nor Jack or Kate) would never be killed off this early in the game.Unless someone starts making "outrageous" contract demands... I suspect these characters will be in it for the long-term. ;)

Maybe but I know for sure that PIRATES say "Aye" for yes! ......... well they do. :o

I thought it was Arrrrrrrrrgh. Sort of "one word fits all" kinda' thing. I used it a lot last week during "Talk like a Pirate Day" (yes, there really is one and it was last week). :p

Now, my thoughts:

Desmond is Jack's real brother, thus the slightly unnatural emphasis which he placed on the word the two times he used it. Aussie's would use the word "mate" in casual conversation (although, like others here have mentioned, his accent is more Scottish). Perhaps that's what Jack's father was doing in Australia - looking for his long, lost, secret son to say goodbye to before he drank himself to death.

Maybe Desmond has a cleanliness fetish (or need!) of some sort and needed an updated, high capacity washer/dryer, so those items were provided for him by whomever is "in charge" of the hatch complex (likely not Desmond). There has to be another entrance(s). The environment (night/day) is artificially controlled for the inhabitant's comfort and that's what the "window" was.

It's looking more and more like the island itself induces some kind of abnormal behavior including hallucinations or visions, as evidenced by Shannon "seeing" Walt and Jack "seeing" his Dad. Perhaps brought on by stress....? It makes sense that Desmond's injections are designed to inoculate him from the effects as others have speculated.

Ain't it great to be able to get Lost again every week? Most fun on TV.

Is it just me, or does anyone else find Desmond's initial reaction to the explosion somewhat odd?

1) Explosion above nuclear fallout shelter (or whatever)
2) Grabs his clothes and gets dressed
3) Puts on his shoes
4) Then opens the safe, gets gun, and checks out the telescope.

I think I would have skipped 2 & 3 myself.

It's looking more and more like the island itself induces some kind of abnormal behavior including hallucinations or visions, as evidenced by Shannon "seeing" Walt and Jack "seeing" his Dad. Perhaps brought on by stress....? It makes sense that Desmond's injections are designed to inoculate him from the effects as others have speculated.Whatever was trying to drag Locke down that hole last season wasn't a hallucination which a stick of dynamite seemed to take care of. ;)

Then why bother threatening them? Crazy people don't respond to threats very well. :-)
I'm fairly sane, I think, and I don't respond to threats well either... :D

So what was Desmond injecting himself with? It looked as if he had a lot of it and was taking a pretty large dose.

Desmond is Jack's real brother, thus the slightly unnatural emphasis which he placed on the word the two times he used it. Aussie's would use the word "mate" in casual conversation (although, like others here have mentioned, his accent is more Scottish). Perhaps that's what Jack's father was doing in Australia - looking for his long, lost, secret son to say goodbye to before he drank himself to death.


I'm going to go with this for now also. My friend, who is fresh blood so to speak, seeing all of the first season and then Weds episode in a compressed amount of time, is pretty confident about the brother thing. Maybe seeing it they way he did is what prompted his remark, maybe we have become to jaded or too close to what's going on to see a bigger picture. It was like it was the most logical thing in the world to him that Desmond was Jack's brother based on what he saw. He was a little shocked that I didn't see it that way knowing that I have watched Lost since last season.

Different viewpoints and perceptions are what makes this show so interesting.

I'm fairly sane, I think, and I don't respond to threats well either... :D

Exactly...so why bother threatening when an explanation would do? Ethan is evil, hard to convince me otherwise at this point.

So what was Desmond injecting himself with? It looked as if he had a lot of it and was taking a pretty large dose.

My guess is that it's some kind of steroid, which might explain his unusual strength (and possibly Ethan's). Either that or a vaccine of some sort.

Any thoughts on DHARMA? My guess is that it's some sort of acronym for a secret government agency (i.e. Department of Human . . . )

Is it just me, or does anyone else find Desmond's initial reaction to the explosion somewhat odd?

1) Explosion above nuclear fallout shelter (or whatever)
2) Grabs his clothes and gets dressed
3) Puts on his shoes
4) Then opens the safe, gets gun, and checks out the telescope.

I think I would have skipped 2 & 3 myself.

You ever fire a gun naked - with hot cartridges flying everywhere? ;)

Is it possible with the "dirty handed" Desmond, that he isn't the one from the beginning showering and we've actually seen two people from the bunker already?

Is it possible with the "dirty handed" Desmond, that he isn't the one from the beginning showering and we've actually seen two people from the bunker already?

Interesting observation! I have to concur with this notion. Two bunks, two people. One clean and fastidious, one not. The Lost Odd Couple if you will...

Desmond is...
<spoiler>the lovechild of Groundskeeper Willie and Edna Crabapple. Chew on that. </spoiler>

Is it just me, or does anyone else find Desmond's initial reaction to the explosion somewhat odd?

1) Explosion above nuclear fallout shelter (or whatever)
2) Grabs his clothes and gets dressed
3) Puts on his shoes
4) Then opens the safe, gets gun, and checks out the telescope.

I think I would have skipped 2 & 3 myself.

He knew what entrance they were using, and he knew that that ladder was broken. It was going to take them a while to get down there. He knew that he had plenty of time to get dressed.

I'm thinking that the 108 is just a joke from the producers for the benefit of obsessive fans, and probably doesn't mean anything other than it happens to be the sum of the magic numbers.

However, I have a feeling that Jack's tattoos are going to become significant and relevant this season. Have we ever gotten a good look at them yet? Could he be a member of some sort of secret society that Desmond also has ties to? Might explain the "Brother" thing.

Consider this: We saw how Jack met Desmond, and Desmond said to Jack, "See you in the next life". However, we're really just assuming that Jack never saw Desmond again until the island. What if they did meet again, and Desmond inducted Jack into a "Skull and Bones" type exclusive club. But maybe Jack has been away from it for a few years and never made any connection to the plane crash or the island, and is quite surprised to see someone he knows there.

Just a thought. I guess we'll see what actually plays out next week.

One clean and fastidious, one not. The Lost Odd Couple if you will...

Get David Hyde Pierce, it'd be a great prequel spin-off.

Interesting observation! I have to concur with this notion. Two bunks, two people. One clean and fastidious, one not. The Lost Odd Couple if you will...

Furthering this theory, Kate is being shown around the place by the Showered-One whilst Dirty-One freaks out on Locke as Jack enters their sphere.

Interesting observation! I have to concur with this notion. Two bunks, two people. One clean and fastidious, one not. The Lost Odd Couple if you will...


Both identical clones :-)

Whatever was trying to drag Locke down that hole last season wasn't a hallucination which a stick of dynamite seemed to take care of. ;)

Maybe the "black cloud" security system is a cloud of nanites (see Michael Crichton's Prey). They're mechanical and airborne (hence the sounds) and can link together to do certain physical things. The dynamite blast produced a concussion of air that momentarily blew them apart, releasing Locke, then they regrouped and hightailed it.

The clean one is Desmond's prison wife. Traded his manhood for a carton of smokes and a new washer & dryer. :)

Can anyone tell where i can safely download last wedness episode, am in Lonodn and we are still watching season one, but i have seen all of it .. Thanks

Anybody speculate where Desmond is getting all that electricity? Must need a lot of fuel if powered by generators. Or perhaps that's a source of the black smoke. And where's the heavy equipment that had to have been used to excavate the amount of terrain necessary to bury the bunker and leave so little external evidence?

Remember the power cable that Sayid found on the beach? I bet it goes to the bunker. BUT I think that maybe the bunker has generators OR there are sea current generators connected to the other end of the cable.

As to the bunker excavation, the dirt removed years ago, would be completely overrun with vegetation in that environment in short order.

I noticed a lot of the plumbing in the bunker looked like what you see on some ships. Sure seemed to be leaking a lot - I wonder where it drains to?

This may be ground water seeping in around the pipe.

If the blast broke the ladder then why wasn't it broken at the top and why wasn't the mirror at the bottom of the shaft shattered? Also, there must be significance to why the ladder was broken and not cleanly cut.

Do we know for certain that the guy in the bunker is Desmond? Seems like we have to assume it's the same guy but something doesn't add up in the apparent mismatch of his basic personality. If he is basically the same "gifted" guy who took such an interest in Jack at the stadium, why is he needing to threaten Jack with a gun now?
Yes, go back to the stadium and look at his lip. He has a scar on it, same scar in the bunker.

Also, even though we might assume the bunker guy always shoots up (because it makes sense that it's a daily "inoculation" or something) - maybe this was a special occasion and he was preparing to meet the inevitable visitors that would be making their way down the shaft that day. I also wondered why he didn't already have his vision system lined up for that hatch, which definitely implies there was more than one use for it.

Tim

The more I think about the bunker, the more convinced I become that there is another much larger entrance somewhere else (maybe Multiple ones) and the Shaft/hatch is only an emergency type escape hatch. I don't see getting all that equipment into the bunker from the hatch.

Furthering this theory, Kate is being shown around the place by the Showered-One whilst Dirty-One freaks out on Locke as Jack enters their sphere.


Now a kate shower scene will be worth waiting for.

Desmond is...
<spoiler>the lovechild of Groundskeeper Willie and Edna Crabapple. Chew on that. </spoiler>

Trying to be helpful: if you want to create a spoiler, you need to use the square bracket [ ] rather than the angle bracket <>. It doesn't follow normal html coding.

This is spoiler space.

It was a joke.

There are no spoilers in this thread.

I remember I took a class in college about India culture and there is Karma and Dharma: I got this from a site:

What is Dharma?

"Dharma" means "protection". By practising Buddha's teachings we protect ourself from suffering and problems. All the problems we experience during daily life originate in ignorance, and the method for eliminating ignorance is to practise Dharma.

Practising Dharma is the supreme method for improving the quality of our human life. The quality of life depends not upon external development or material progress, but upon the inner development of peace and happiness. For example, in the past many Buddhists lived in poor and underdeveloped countries, but they were able to find pure, lasting happiness by practising what Buddha had taught.

If we integrate Buddha's teachings into our daily life, we will be able to solve all our inner problems and attain a truly peaceful mind. Without inner peace, outer peace is impossible. If we first establish peace within our minds by training in spiritual paths, outer peace will come naturally; but if we do not, world peace will never be achieved, no matter how many people campaign for it."

It was a joke.

There are no spoilers in this thread.

I figured. But, knowing how sensitive some people are to anything that even smells like a spoiler, I thought I'd just clarify the coding just in case. :rolleyes:

Plus humor is a tricky thing. Some folks still don't get the point of Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal.

Some folks still don't get the point of Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal.

Never heard of him -

but I have heard of "Groundskeeper Willie and Edna Krabapple" :)

Now a kate shower scene will be worth waiting for.We can always hope, until then:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/evangeline.bmp

Lilly is the cover for Rolling Stone's Oct 6th issue, barely even looks like her,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/7661102.jpg

OK, I am new to this whole LOST phenomena and all (just got into it over the summer at the suggestion of friends and now I am completely hooked) and I appologize if you have seen this before, but have any of you gone to maps.google.com and punched in the coordinates 4.815 162.342 into the address bar? Check it out....A friend had just shown this to me.
-Tony

have any of you gone to maps.google.com and punched in the coordinates 4.815 162.342 into the address bar? Check it out....
Nice!

Never heard of him -

but I have heard of "Groundskeeper Willie and Edna Krabapple" :)

Yes, but did you know that according to Superintendent Chalmers, Willie is an escaped patient from a mental hospital that Skinner hired? So, if he knew Hugo...no, never mind. It is time for my shot of 4-8151623-48.

Ok,

I was convinced that there was another person who stays in the bunker with Desmond and that person was Ethan, but the theory of there being 2 people in the bunker when Jack, Kate and Locke arrive sounds feasible as well. As for the dirty hands, could've come from struggling with Kate and Locke. And about being calm about the explosion, I would think Desmond would have been expecting that. Wouldn't he have heard Locke banging on the hatch and even trying to use a tree (think it was a tree) to smash it open. He would know someone's trying to get in and that the only way anyone would get in would be to blow the hatch. If he was sitting around waiting, he'd be in that spot for days, cause there were several days between when Locke found the hatch and when the explosion went off. He would have to be in short notice preparation mode.

my $.02
Tony

I agree. I think that since he had a mirror positioned so he could see the hatch he was expecting guests.

I just finished watching the scene where Jack is walking through the bunker and he stops at the buckets where the key around his neck gets attracted by a magnet. The buckets are filled with what looks like concrete and a steel girder is positioned between the buckets and the wall and also encased in concrete. There is also what looks like concrete on the top of the wall holding the top of the girder in place. The girder is partially covering a hole in another room or passage way. This appears to me like Desmond is trying to keep something out of his section of the bunker. So I'm thinking that this underground complex is quite large and extensive. And Desmond probably isn't the only person down there using the underground. Judging by the concrete and girder barricade, he could be threatened by whatever else is down there. He has a well stocked armoury and a sophisticated setup of mirrors and lighting so that he can see something coming well before it gets there. I'll bet Desmond isn't the one behind the black smoke security system, in fact he may have to protect himself from it as well. I think Desmond is going to fill us all in on some of the mysteries next week. And as always we'll be given some new mysteries to ponder.

ok, don't flame me. But are those coordinates the same numbers they are constantly brought up on the show or where do those come from?

ok, don't flame me. But are those coordinates the same numbers they are constantly brought up on the show or where do those come from?

The numbers are so powerful, that they have literally driven millions of viewers crazy trying to figure out what they mean. In fact, if you were to use them as lottery numbers and in fact did win, there would be about 4 million co-winners and you would only receive $8 dollars each.

Seriously, much speculation has gone into them and the only thing that is certain is that they will pop up everywhere on this show.

Consider this: We saw how Jack met Desmond, and Desmond said to Jack, "See you in the next life". However, we're really just assuming that Jack never saw Desmond again until the island. What if they did meet again, and Desmond inducted Jack into a "Skull and Bones" type exclusive club.


That's a great thought! Now that I think about it, the way Jack said "You?!" it really seemed like there was more to it than just that stadium encounter. I'm not sure how much time passed between that meeting and the crash, but you wouldn't think Jack would have that kind of reaction to seeing him again just based on that one meeting.

That's a great thought! Now that I think about it, the way Jack said "You?!" it really seemed like there was more to it than just that stadium encounter. I'm not sure how much time passed between that meeting and the crash, but you wouldn't think Jack would have that kind of reaction to seeing him again just based on that one meeting.
He might that was a pretty important part of his life.

I remember it being brought up earlier, but I don't think it was answered. The shoes that were at the bottom of the hatch belong to Locke, when the gun is pointed at his head there is one full body shot and you can see he doesn't have his shoes on.

The numbers are so powerful, that they have literally driven millions of viewers crazy trying to figure out what they mean. In fact, if you were to use them as lottery numbers and in fact did win, there would be about 4 million co-winners and you would only receive $8 dollars each.

I would never use the numbers to play the lottery...Just because Lost is a TV show, doesn't mean the numbers aren't bad!

:D

~Dan

Just watched the intro in slow-mo a few times, along with the ending. Noticed a few things, not sure if they were mentioned..

The logo is on the reel of the reel-to reel

He moves the exercise equipment around as he uses it, the bike is facing right on the wall in the kitchen, with a picture over it, when he is riding it it is facing left, on a red wall with no picture and a large light to the right, also the weight bench is blocking the door to the bedroom, but not when he is washing the dishes.

IN the very beginning, when he hops down off the bunk you can see pretty clearly his face, I am pretty sure it is desmond(there have been a few theories that there are two people down there, questioning the dirtiness of desmonds hands, etc..)

The Ping Pong table is facing the bookcase behind it, with the other side raised up to play by yourself (Ala Forrest Gump), the backgammon board is clear ont he side the dishes were, but it is blocked up on the opposite side, where the other person would sit.

The one shot of the audio rack being reversed has me perplexed too, it is not a mirror on the wall, because you would see the reflection on the chair in the room in the mirror.

The gun - room is directly across from the dinette area.. (not too significant I know)

THere is more I am sure.. think the writers knew this would be the most watched 3 minutes of TV?

B

Pa-Qua:
A good read hear:
http://www.shaolinhungmei.org/theory2.html

http://www.mystery-mountain.co.uk/images/m91-pkPaQua.jpg

The figure consists of 24 sections - eight sides multiplied by the three lines drawn on each side. These sections represent the 24 hours in a day. The sequence of broken and solid lines shown on each side of the Pa Qua are indicative of the times during the day when our 108 critical points of the body are safe from injuries which could otherwise cause serious harm.

There is a relationship between the theories of Oo Heng and Pa Qua. The Pa Qua teaches when the various critical points of the body are the most vulnerable to attack. Oo Heng teaches the techniques which can be used to effectively attack those points. Together, they make a powerful weapon to be used in the defense against an opponent

Pa-Qua:
A good read hear:
http://www.shaolinhungmei.org/theory2.html

http://www.mystery-mountain.co.uk/images/m91-pkPaQua.jpg

The figure consists of 24 sections - eight sides multiplied by the three lines drawn on each side. These sections represent the 24 hours in a day. The sequence of broken and solid lines shown on each side of the Pa Qua are indicative of the times during the day when our 108 critical points of the body are safe from injuries which could otherwise cause serious harm.

There is a relationship between the theories of Oo Heng and Pa Qua. The Pa Qua teaches when the various critical points of the body are the most vulnerable to attack. Oo Heng teaches the techniques which can be used to effectively attack those points. Together, they make a powerful weapon to be used in the defense against an opponent

Cool. That's Desmond's DHARMA seal and 108 is what the numbers add up to and was drawn on the wall in the painting.

have any of you gone to maps.google.com and punched in the coordinates 4.815 162.342 into the address bar? Check it out....A friend had just shown this to me.
-Tony
Hmmm, you can't zoom in all the way like you can in other areas. Perhaps something is hiding there.....

***dramatic music plays***

Pa-Qua:
A good read hear:
http://www.shaolinhungmei.org/theory2.html

http://www.mystery-mountain.co.uk/images/m91-pkPaQua.jpg



Hmmmm... kind of looks like a stadium of some sort.

Hmmmm... kind of looks like a stadium of some sort.Yep, would be perfect for a tour-de-stad!

Cool. That's Desmond's DHARMA seal and 108 is what the numbers add up to and was drawn on the wall in the painting.

The only difference I see in the symbol is that the center ying/yang part on the DHARMA symbol is not symetrical like a ying/yang. It looks to me like a serpent or sea monsters head and neck (the part inbetween thats not red). They definiatly got thier inspiration for the rest of the symbol from that thing...

Hmmm, you can't zoom in all the way like you can in other areas. Perhaps something is hiding there.....

***dramatic music plays***

Maps zoom generally where this significant land. In open water areas, there may be no detail.

Ed

Maps zoom generally where this significant land. In open water areas, there may be no detail.

EdSo then I should have thrown a smiley or two into the post?

On the other hand, I can't zoom in more than halfway over half of my home town - a rather large metropolitan area - before it says the image isn't available.

Nice!

this is just a hack, the numbers don't seem to be resolving to the coordinates they represent. Someone in google must be joking with us.

So then I should have thrown a smiley or two into the post?

On the other hand, I can't zoom in more than halfway over half of my home town - a rather large metropolitan area - before it says the image isn't available.

The map details that Google has varies by location. Some big cities will have one area detailed and another not. In a few years it will get better. A few years ago, nothing like this was available for free.

Ed

this is just a hack, the numbers don't seem to be resolving to the coordinates they represent. Someone in google must be joking with us.

When I put them in, they showed a water area northeast of Austrailia.

Ed

When I put them in, they showed a water area northeast of Austrailia.

Ed

yes, I get that too. but the coordinates don't really line up in the world that way.

This is the small island I see really close to the coordinates in google earth

yes, I get that too. but the coordinates don't really line up in the world that way.

I think I have to disagree - I pulled out my world atlas, and found that the latitude and longitude would put the location in the same area that Google maps implies...

Am I missing something here?

This is the small island I see really close to the coordinates in google earth


That's the Caroline Islands

Here are two images of the mural, one unaltered and one highlighted.

http://www.lost-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24187

http://www.lost-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23986

October 5th is my birthday! ROCK ON FOR SHARING! :) I love this show!

Here's a question... I must have missed it... where did the Dharma come from? I can't remember...

Why is there 2 ABC bugs in those pics?

I have a question concerning picture quality for the show. I notice in the bright scenes like whites (clouds etc) that there is noise, or movement, mosquito noise whatever you want to call it. Does anyone else see this? I would like the whites to stay solid! I will say that I've seen it in other programs from time to time.

I have a question concerning picture quality for the show. I notice in the bright scenes like whites (clouds etc) that there is noise, or movement, mosquito noise whatever you want to call it. Does anyone else see this?
Can you point to something in a specific scene? It's probably just your HDTV faithfully reproducing all the film grain that you couldn't see in SD.

Pa-Qua:
A good read hear:
http://www.shaolinhungmei.org/theory2.html

http://www.mystery-mountain.co.uk/images/m91-pkPaQua.jpg

The figure consists of 24 sections - eight sides multiplied by the three lines drawn on each side. These sections represent the 24 hours in a day. The sequence of broken and solid lines shown on each side of the Pa Qua are indicative of the times during the day when our 108 critical points of the body are safe from injuries which could otherwise cause serious harm.

There is a relationship between the theories of Oo Heng and Pa Qua. The Pa Qua teaches when the various critical points of the body are the most vulnerable to attack. Oo Heng teaches the techniques which can be used to effectively attack those points. Together, they make a powerful weapon to be used in the defense against an opponent


I found this picture of the logo on another site. It does look just like the logo I see when I pause the logo on the medicine door. I can not make out the word Darma. Where can you see this?

http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/7928/dharma8wn.jpg

I found this picture of the logo on another site. It does look just like the logo I see when I pause the logo on the medicine door. I can not make out the word Darma. Where can you see this?

http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/7928/dharma8wn.jpg
Wow thats cool... what forum did you pick that up from? Was it something someone drew? Or is it a real logo?

I still am puzzled about Desmond's advice to Jack to "lift it up". What was he getting at? Most certainly, Jack is now in that "other life" Desmond said they would meet in.


All right, I'm finally caught up with the posts since the airing on Wednesday and I'm really surprised that no one has "figured" this out. In religious lexicon to "lift it up" means to take your matter to the Lord in prayer. Lift your burdens up to God through prayer that He will take care of them. That's what "Lift it up" means.

There are some interesting theories flying around. Although I don't think any of them are what it really is. This series is not predicatable, and I think J.J. and the other writers would have thought of and discarded most of these ideas already because they're easy to think of.


tim

Judging by the backwards R, I'd say that Toys R us is involved someway. Lost action figures? I want the Hurley doll. Pull the string and he says "Dude, the numbers are really bad."

I remember it being brought up earlier, but I don't think it was answered. The shoes that were at the bottom of the hatch belong to Locke, when the gun is pointed at his head there is one full body shot and you can see he doesn't have his shoes on.

I went back and paused it and you are right. When Desmond has the gun to Locke's head he's just standing there in his socks.

Judging by the backwards R, I'd say that Toys R us is involved someway.Or the backwards R could indicate that we should be reading the last three letters in the opposite direction? Perhaps it's really two abbreviations: DHA and AMR?

Pull the string and he says "Dude, the numbers are really bad."

"I'm spry"
"You got a little Arzt on ya"

Wow thats cool... what forum did you pick that up from? Was it something someone drew? Or is it a real logo?


Found it on the lost forums on the ABC site. Don't know where that poster got it from

FYI..Posted a Anna Lucia spoiler in the other thread

view at your own risk

Judging by the backwards R, I'd say that Toys R us is involved someway.
Russian Cyrillic has a backwards "R;" however, I doubt "DHARMA" is a Russian acronym or word as the "D" in the logo is of the English variety, not Cyrillic.

My wife suggests there is something weird regarding the fact that Jack's future wife comments twice on how bad he smells even after a shower. She thinks he drank something from Desmond that made him give off a bad smell, and that perhaps even this smell helped cure the woman.

Some things I wonder about:

The Black Rock. If we assume that it got there specifically because of some interference rather than just accidentally, then there must be something on the island itself rather than in the manmade hatch area that did it, because clearly the hatch area didn't exist way back when that ship was sailing the seas. The hatch area looks to have been built maybe back in the 60s at the earliest, although really I have to say the exterior design of the hatch looks futuristic. So perhaps the hatch area was built by some people as a base for studying the island phenomenon.

Or alternately you can go with the idea that there is a time travel device somewhere that transported the ship to the near-present time and left it sitting there. This might explain why it didn't look quite weathered enough for being there a very long time, and it also might explain where the polar bear came from (time travel device transported it to the island from the far past ice age). Time travel could also explain the older-looking Walt showing up to warn people about pushing buttons - in the current time period he shouldn't have any knowledge about computer buttons unless he learned something very quickly from the Others on their boat.

Also I'm curious why Locke almost got paralyzed again when he went hiking too far away from the hatch area. It's almost as if there is some local effect that is helping him.

No idea though on how it's possible for him have the vision of the plane location.

I thought the Black Rock was the research ship that the French lady came on 16 years ago - and they came intentionally because of the numbers being transmitted.

Time travel could also explain the older-looking Walt showing up to warn people about pushing buttons - in the current time period he shouldn't have any knowledge about computer buttons unless he learned something very quickly from the Others on their boat.

.

Walt looked older? Or did the actor just grow some in the past year?

My kids knew computer buttons and a mouse well before Walt's age.

Ok there have been 2 posts telling us someone posted a spoiler at the spoiler thread. Do we really need to be informed of this? I mean, if I was subscribed to the spoiler thread I would know, right?

I thought the Black Rock was the research ship that the French lady came on 16 years ago - and they came intentionally because of the numbers being transmitted.

If I remember correctly from last season, I thought they said the Black Rock was a slave ship.

Still, it is too far inland to have gotten there just by chance, especially if the dynamite is as volatile as it seems to be.