The Black Rock is a very old ship design, like from the 18th century or something. I'm no ship expert, but it definitely is not a modern metal-hulled ship you would expect the french chick to be sailing on. And I doubt she had slaves.

It's a very very old boat.

Regarding my comment Walt/buttons, I mean how does he know anything about the button on the computer in the hatch? I figure that is clearly what button he means when he says "Don't push the button, the button is bad". I mean, what other button could he mean? It must be the computer button Jack was about to hit at the end of the episode. But how does Walt know anything about that?

P.S. Regarding dynamite volatility - it only became volatile well after the Black Rock got stuck there. It takes time in the hot weather for the nitro to wick out of the clay. So the Black Rock must have been there long enough for that to happen, and for the slave bodies to decay. But on the other hand, if it had been there for over a 100 years you would think it would be almost dust by now, and not have the rather nice looking lettering still showing on the rear end.

If I remember correctly, Walt also told <someone> not to open "that thing" [the hatch] that it would be bad. That is what I thought prompted him to get on the raft more than anything else, did he not burn the raft because he desired to stay?

v/r,
C-F

Yes. He was all "I like it here" until he found out about the hatch, then it changed to "I'm outta here".

So is everyone here leaning toward some "psychic" explanation for a lot of what is going on including Walt, or do you think there could be a scientific/tech explanation?

So, who thinks that Charlie took some heroin? Did you see the look that Sayid (or was it Locke?) gave him in the last episode?

Regarding my comment Walt/buttons, I mean how does he know anything about the button on the computer in the hatch? I figure that is clearly what button he means when he says "Don't push the button, the button is bad". I mean, what other button could he mean? It must be the computer button Jack was about to hit at the end of the episode. But how does Walt know anything about that?You're making a leap of logic that I can't accept yet. First, there was no "button" that Jack was about to hit. He was reaching for the computer keyboard, not a "button." Second, there is a very likely possibility that sooner or later a "button" that we haven't yet seen will be revealed.

As far as asking, "how can Walt know," we have been oriented to the fact that he does know a lot of things that he has no reasonable way of knowing.

Besides, there's a good chance that we'll find out that it wasn't actually Walt, but just an apparition.

First, there was no "button" that Jack was about to hit. He was reaching for the computer keyboard, not a "button."

Looks to me like he was reaching to press the Execute key.

Of course, since there was nothing entered on the command line, all that would have happened is a new line with the command prompt blinking...

The command that would have caused problems, is of course:

>: 4 8 15 16 23 42 <EXECUTE>

~Dan

First, I rewatched the ep today I'm pretty sure they have a brief shot of the execute key just as Jack is reaching for the keyboard. It clearly appears he is about to hit that button.

Second, regarding what would happen if you hit that button without typing the numbers first? If this was a normal DOS prompt or something, yes I would agree that nothing should happen if you just hit execute (assuming execute does something similar to "enter"). But this is not necessarily a normal operating system it is running. In fact if you remember back to the beginning of the ep, the computer woke up Desmond almost as if it was demanding that he come over there and do a "verify". Like it is designed to check that Desmond is still there. And perhaps by typing in the numbers, Desmond is typing in the "password" to tell the OS that "all is well". What would happen if someone tried to use the computer without first typing in this password? It could be bad...

My thoughts:

This bunker is clearly a very expensive, government built, observation outpost. The decades old equipment placed next to fairly new stuff, along with the well stocked medicine cabinet, and fresh food indicate the facility is maintained by periodic supply drops. The scrape marks on the ceiling indicate that the bunker was carved out of solid rock, and Locke said that the tunnel was "about 50 feet down." The key on the computer that said "execute" seemed to be covered with a piece of paper bearing that word, as if to press it would start a pre-programmed event to happen.

My guess is that the government knows about this island, and has gone to great lengths to monitor it. DHARPA is probably an acronym for the project name, like NASA, or NORAD. Because of the international nature of the island, DHARPA could be a multi-national institution, which would explain the heavy accent of it's occupant. It was interesting that when the hatch was breached, the first thing the guy grabbed was his DHARPA uniform from the closet, maybe to distinguish himself from island natives, if it was government agents dropping in on him.

If the surface of the island is considered "quarantined", the government would have little interest in survivors from a plane crash, they would have already been contaminated, and would only bring stories of the island to the outside world. Also, if events on the island got "out of hand" that execute button might bring an atomic explosion that only someone living in a bunker under 50 feet of rock would survive.

I am looking for the repeat schedul for the following pilots (new season):

Lost (season 2)
Invasion
CSI (new season)
Criminal Mind (how's this show?)

Thanks a lot!

Lost is airing the permiere (S2 Ep.1) on Wed. at 8pm right before Ep. #2

I thought they were reairing the Sesaon Premier of the 2nd season. THe episode from last week.

my bad - I said "Pilot" but meant premiere. {edited post}

Judging by the backwards R, I'd say that Toys R us is involved someway. Lost action figures? I want the Hurley doll. Pull the string and he says "Dude, the numbers are really bad."

does the Charlie doll come with a supply of toy drugs ?

I am looking for the repeat schedul for the following pilots (new season):

Lost (season 2)
Invasion
CSI (new season)
Criminal Mind (how's this show?)

Thanks a lot!As CPanther said, Lost S2 Premiere repeated an hour before episode 2. Invasion premiere and episode 2 repeated 10/1 Saturday. No repeats show up for CSI or Criminal Minds which is a very good show.

Shedrock I agree pretty much with your hypothesis. It could be that if the numbers aren't typed into the computer every time it starts beeping then it will auto-destruct either the island or the bunker (or both). This also might happen if someone tried to use the computer without typing in the numbers (password) first.

A couple of questions/observations.

- Did anything ever come of Locke "seeing the light" during Season 1? The Ep where Boone dies (I think), Locke is at the hatch saying "I did everything you asked!", and the light comes on as the Ep ends.

Any chance he's already had contact with Desmond through this? He seems comfortable in the bunker - shoes off neatly near the entrance, "I wouldn't do that if I were you", "It's okay, Jack...", etc. He seems to understand what is going on down there pretty well. Just because the ladder was broken when they blew the hatch, doesn't mean it wasn't there earlier, or that there isn't another way up & down.

Speaking of which, any early theories how Kate is pulled all the way down? She was likely still 15-20 feet up when the light came on for her. What method was used to drag her the rest of the way to the bottom?

Can't wait for Wednesday.

If she was in reach, Desmond would have had her weight working for him and he could have easily pulled Kate the rest of the way. At that point Locke had no "pulleys" working for him.

In an effort to shed exactly zero light on the subject of Desmond's accent, here's his profile from IMDB. He's Peruvian. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0193738/

As for his character on Lost, I'm betting Scottish or possibly Irish rather than Australian. Though it sounds a bit more polished/educated/upper class than the usual rough brogue we're used to hearing in movies, etc...

A couple of questions/observations.

- Did anything ever come of Locke "seeing the light" during Season 1? The Ep where Boone dies (I think), Locke is at the hatch saying "I did everything you asked!", and the light comes on as the Ep ends.


Nothing really came of that, but when he came into contact with the "monster" or "security system" early in season 1 it was daytime, and we didn't see him again until nighttime at the beach. So there would have been enough time for him to be pulled down below and meet whomever is down there.

I'm wondering why the pilot was skinned and thrown up into the trees instead of being pulled down below, if that's what this thing does.

The show was heading in a different direction (towards a "monster") when the pilot got yanked.

Might have been covered before, but has it been proven that this is an island? Has someone gone or seen completely around it?

My guess is that the government knows about this island, and has gone to great lengths to monitor it. DHARPA is probably an acronym for the project name, like NASA, or NORAD. Because of the international nature of the island, DHARPA could be a multi-national institution, which would explain the heavy accent of it's occupant. It was interesting that when the hatch was breached, the first thing the guy grabbed was his DHARPA uniform from the closet, maybe to distinguish himself from island natives, if it was government agents dropping in on him.

Could be an allusion to the REAL darpa:
http://www.darpa.mil/

Could be an allusion to the REAL darpa:
http://www.darpa.mil/

The logos say DHARMA not DHARPA. Someone is getting confused.

The logos say DHARMA not DHARPA. Someone is getting confused.


al·lu·sion
1. The act of alluding; indirect reference: Without naming names, the candidate criticized the national leaders by allusion.
2. An instance of indirect reference: an allusion to classical mythology in a poem. See Usage Note at allude.

al·lu·sion
1. The act of alluding; indirect reference: Without naming names, the candidate criticized the national leaders by allusion.
2. An instance of indirect reference: an allusion to classical mythology in a poem. See Usage Note at allude.

I was referring to the three different references to DHARPA earlier in the thread.

As far as an allusion, DHARMA is further from DARPA than DHARPA. Since we are talking about indirect references, it can just as easlily be alluding to NASA, or maybe even ARMA, the American Rock Mechanics Association.

(what does a "rock mechanic" do...?)

The underground bunker is just like the "Biosphere 2" located just outside of Pheonix. Look at the tringular glass panels in the linked picture... it looks just like the room from last nights show. For some reason though, this "dome" got covered up by a bunch of dirt/earth. Maybe a test gone bad.

http://www.bio2.com/images/gallery-destination/pages/westlung_jpg.htm


And I know who is Desmonds roommate... It's Pauly Shore :D

(what does a "rock mechanic" do...?)

Someone who "works in the field of rock mechanics and rock engineering to solve today's geological engineering problems to build a better tomorrow for all."

http://www.armarocks.org/

Maybe DHARMA is Diseased Humans who are members of ARMA. :D

As CPanther said, Lost S2 Premiere repeated an hour before episode 2. Invasion premiere and episode 2 repeated 10/1 Saturday. No repeats show up for CSI or Criminal Minds which is a very good show.

Thanks to all!!

In an effort to shed exactly zero light on the subject of Desmond's accent, here's his profile from IMDB. He's Peruvian. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0193738/
According to his official bio, he was born in Peru, but it implies that he spent most of his childhood in Trinidad and Scotland.

http://www.henryiancusick.com/hic_bio.html

In an effort to shed exactly zero light on the subject of Desmond's accent, here's his profile from IMDB. He's Peruvian. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0193738/

As for his character on Lost, I'm betting Scottish or possibly Irish rather than Australian. Though it sounds a bit more polished/educated/upper class than the usual rough brogue we're used to hearing in movies, etc...
Well they cast an Indian as an Iraqi and let him keep his British accent instead of faking an Iraqi one. Maybe he's a Peruvian cast as a Pole keeping his Scottish accent instead of faking a Polish one?

Incredible season opener and it took me until now to catch up with the posts I missed since just before last Wednesday. Looks like the 2nd season could be even more compelling than the 1st.

The writers are to be commended for the "stuff" they're coming up with. If they can indeed tie it all together at some point that makes sense it will make for one heck of an overall series!

First, I rewatched the ep today I'm pretty sure they have a brief shot of the execute key just as Jack is reaching for the keyboard. It clearly appears he is about to hit that button."Clearly appears"??? Well, then, I guess you have it figured out. :rolleyes:

The Execute key is not a "button," is it? If Walt's warning was about the Execute key, wouldn't he backwards speak something like, "Don't touch the keyboard?" ;)

My point was/is that we haven't necessarily been given all of the clues to figure this out yet, so to assume that we can connect all of the dots in the correct sequence at this point is jumping the gun, IMHO.

Might have been covered before, but has it been proven that this is an island? Has someone gone or seen completely around it?

I flew over it once in the 90's. It is not an island, it's a giant submarine.

Shedrock I agree pretty much with your hypothesis. It could be that if the numbers aren't typed into the computer every time it starts beeping then it will auto-destruct either the island or the bunker (or both). This also might happen if someone tried to use the computer without typing in the numbers (password) first.

I don't see how anybody with a brain would put in a security system that nukes something when you fail to put in the proper password on the first attempt.

Drop something on the keyboard - nuke the island. Typo your password, nuke the bunker. I am just no seeing it.

Maybe it would run a program that the occupant doesn't want to run, but not dropping a nuke/self-destructing.

Maybe there is a "button" that can be raised or lowered? Lift it up vs. push the button - no button's bad or something?

If Pauly Shore turns out to be Desmond's roommate, I will seriously want to see the party go jogging through Dark Territory again looking for some dynamite just in case...

I don't see how anybody with a brain would put in a security system that nukes something when you fail to put in the proper password on the first attempt.

Drop something on the keyboard - nuke the island. Typo your password, nuke the bunker. I am just no seeing it.

Maybe it would run a program that the occupant doesn't want to run, but not dropping a nuke/self-destructing.


Sure, more likely failing to enter the right password would trigger some timed self-destruct mode rather than an instant nuke. The hypothesis being that the bunker is for studying the external quarantined zone - if there is no one home anymore or the wrong (quarantined) people in there, then the bunker is compromised and all evidence of it must be destroyed to prevent them from escaping the island and/or to maintain plausible deniability for the bunker creators. :)

Using the computer the wrong way must do something bad. We had both Locke and Walt essentially warn people away from using it.

Sure, more likely failing to enter the right password would trigger some timed self-destruct mode rather than an instant nuke.

Using the computer the wrong way must do something bad.
Computers are smarter now than they were back when. So if an "execute" type button was pressed, it happened. It didn't pop up a message saying "warning, if you press this earth will die"

Not many blue screens of death back then either. ;)

Actually.... their is evidence that the Russians were using dead man switches in their nuke silos at the height of the cold war. Same thing, if you fail to register a code within a certain window.... kaboom.

It would make sense if the island contained something very dangerous that they did not want to "get loose".

Then of course, it wouldn't make much sense to inscribe the password on the outside of the hatch.

Computers are smarter now than they were back when. So if an "execute" type button was pressed, it happened. It didn't pop up a message saying "warning, if you press this earth will die"

It's the program, not the computer that's "smarter" today...and today's programs aren't "smarter", they simply run faster so you can do more with them...

Even in AppleBasic on the Apple II, you could write a program such that if you goofed and were about to blow up the world, the program would ask for confirmation:

>: <Execute>

Are you sure you want to destroy the Earth? (Y|N)
>: Y <Execute>

Are you really, really sure you want to destroy the Earth? (Y|N)
>: Y <Execute>

How about a nice game of chess?

~Dan

Then of course, it wouldn't make much sense to inscribe the password on the outside of the hatch.
Unless, of course, "they" were unrepentant teasers. :p

Not many blue screens of death back then either. ;)

Ah, the beauty of monochrome monitors—er, I mean, less complex, more stable software.

Just don't do division by zero on an older machine...

~Dan

Then of course, it wouldn't make much sense to inscribe the password on the outside of the hatch.
Unless, of course, "they" were unrepentant teasers. :p

Unrepentant teasers with a metal stamp set...but then, someone would have stamped "RALPH HAS A TEENIE WEENIE" into the hatch as well... :D

~Dan

Are you sure you want to destroy the Earth? (Y|N)
>: Y <Execute>

Are you really, really sure you want to destroy the Earth? (Y|N)
>: Y <Execute>



Remember when Homer "tripled his productivity" when he was working at home? :)

It would make sense if the island contained something very dangerous that they did not want to "get loose".

That's a quite logical theory. You would have to have some sort of assurance that whatever dangerous phenomenon that was on the island stayed there. I think it's a bit far fetched to assume it would destroy the earth, but Walt and Locke would be equally concerned if it was only an island destroying bomb.
And if that is true, then the second man in the bunker would be a requirement just to make sure that some sort of accident to one person didn't trigger the destruct island sequence. If some accident were to happen and both could not respond, then you might assume that containment had been comprimised and destruction was required.

So, who thinks that Charlie took some heroin? Did you see the look that Sayid (or was it Locke?) gave him in the last episode?

Charlie definitely took a statue full of heroin and put it into his backpack but I haven't seen anything to indicate he broke it open.
I think he took the statue as a symbol to remind him of the addiction he overcame.
On the other hand he could have just taken it because he has no will power and will bust it open later.

He was able to keep up with Sayid after visiting the plane so I just assumed he was medicated.

He was able to keep up with Sayid after visiting the plane so I just assumed he was medicated.
If he was medicated it probably wasn't with heroin. As an alkaloid opioid, it would have made Charlie achieve analgesia and possibly feel euphoric, but it's unlikely he'd get an energy boost out of a hit of heroin.

Ok well there is a new show tonight. I guess I should budget out an hour for the next 4 days to get caught up on this thread.

Stern was actually talking about Lost this morning, and how he's now been convinced it's all a dream sequence.

Stern was actually talking about Lost this morning, and how he's now been convinced it's all a dream sequence.

Who's dream does he think it is?

Stern was actually talking about Lost this morning, and how he's now been convinced it's all a dream sequence.

I seriously doubt it. That's so 'Bob Newheart'.

or Bobby Ewing....

Or Wizard of Oz.

OK audio experts: what is the brand of turntable that Desmond has in his bunker?

I don't know but that record's never going to be the same after what happened when they blew the hatch.

I think it was a Technics SL-1200 MK2 or maybe a Thorens

He thinks the doctor is either dreaming it all or, like we suggested a couple hundred pages ago, this is a twist like "Identity"

if jack all of a sudden wakes up in a bed, i'll be pissed.

Not in bed -- still in his seat. He'd be jolted awake from turbulence midflight. You could then have him comforting Rose, telling her it's all normal -- right before the back of the plane falls off.

I certainly doubt that's the case, but if I wanted to be cheesy, that's how I'd write it.

Charlie definitely took a statue full of heroin and put it into his backpack but I haven't seen anything to indicate he broke it open.
I think he took the statue as a symbol to remind him of the addiction he overcame.
On the other hand he could have just taken it because he has no will power and will bust it open later.


If I lived on that island I'd be doing lots of smack! :D

If I lived on that island I'd be doing lots of smack! :DYou don't have to go that far to get some "H." Even in SmallBany NY it's available on many a street corner.

Didn't "Whitney" say: "crack is whack?"

Spoiler moved to the spoiler thread. Caught it as quick as I could.

Continue discussion over there. The rest of you, just forget you saw anything - it was all just a dream. :)

I have a suspicion that Michael, Sawyer and the Korean guy will wash ashore and meet the rest of the survivors, possibly on another part of the island. Last week's promo shots for episode-2 were saying 'the fate of all survivors will be revealed' or some thing similar..

And, I was watching the season-1 DVD, and in Pilot-2 episode, Walt is shown reading the Spanish comics, and a couple of screens shown of that comic seem to hold some sort of connection to the plane crash.. I just caught a glimpse of the comic, and something looked really familiar.. I thought I will revisit that part later on. I will look it up later tonight, and will post an update.

Anyone else seen this bit about the comic??

And, I was watching the season-1 DVD, and in Pilot-2 episode, Walt is shown reading the Spanish comics, and a couple of screens shown of that comic seem to hold some sort of connection to the plane crash.. I just caught a glimpse of the comic, and something looked really familiar.. I thought I will revisit that part later on. I will look it up later tonight, and will post an update.

Anyone else seen this bit about the comic??

Uh, how would we know? You didn't mention what it was! If it was the polar bear or the dome, yes, we've seen it and discussed it extensively about, oh, 8k posts ago. ;)

not sure if this has been mentioned - (i looked over the past 2 days-didn't see it)
did anyone see the preview for tonites ep showing sawyer pulling michael up onto a piece of the raft- sawyer looked in obvious pain - from the gunshot i guess and michael looked unconscious. it was on tivo and i replayed in slomo but that's about all i got out of it!

I don't believe it's all a dream sequence, BUT...

by season 6 or 7 when the majority of the actors are holding out for more money, or ratings of the show go in the dumper and ABC decides to cancel the show, the very last episode will end with John Locke waking up from a nap he was taking at the box factory he worked at, turned out the entire Lost show was just a figment of his imagination. It turns out that Locke has a plane reservation to Australia, but because of the dream he cancels his trip and remains on the job. Ho-hum ending.

Right, and Kate will have 4 kids and weigh about 300lbs. :eek:

Does anyone wonder how they will deal with Walt getting older in real life as the seasons progress?

Does anyone wonder how they will deal with Walt getting older in real life as the seasons progress?

Ordinarily, I'd say he's a prime candidate to be "Boone'd", but he seems to be integral to the plot. Nevertheless, he'll grow out of the role and have to be written out of the show at some point.

They could write the "accellerated" aging into the plot.

They could write the "accellerated" aging into the plot.


He could morph into Yoda!

He could morph into Yoda!

right that may not be......

They could write the "accellerated" aging into the plot.
Hurley would have to have a gastric bypass first

I'm wondering if Desmond has some special abilities (like Walt) and has been duped into staying in the bunker. The ads I'm hearing on the radio make it sound like he expects people on the outside to be sick or dying.

Remember when Homer "tripled his productivity" when he was working at home? :)

"Hey, I can just type 'Y' instead of 'YES'! I just tripled my productivity! Woohoo!"

Homer...my hero! :D

~Dan

"Hey, I can just type 'Y' instead of 'YES'! I just tripled my productivity! Woohoo!"

Homer...my hero! :D

~Dan

Y

I'm wondering if Desmond has some special abilities (like Walt)
Most likely...I think we'll find Desmond, consciously or unconsciously, responsible for both Sarah's and Locke's miraculous medical recoveries...

and has been duped into staying in the bunker.
Duped? No, I think he's a willing employee there...He sure didn't look like he was in any hurry to leave...

The ads I'm hearing on the radio make it sound like he expects people on the outside to be sick or dying.
Well, the "QUARANTINE" was on the inside of the hatch...

More will be revealed tonight, along with twice the number of new questions! :)

~Dan

Yeah, we will be given an answer that tells enough to know that we weren't asking the right questions.

Our former questions will be rendered moot by even more intriguing questions.

Sometimes I think this plot was written by a Vorlon.

"Meanwhile" back at sea... what about Michael, Sawyer and Jin-Soo?

I'm wondering if Desmond has some special abilities (like Walt) and has been duped into staying in the bunker. The ads I'm hearing on the radio make it sound like he expects people on the outside to be sick or dying.

AH! spoiler!

Or do ads not count? I try to avoid all the ads and "coming next week".

"Meanwhile" back at sea... what about Michael, Sawyer and Jin-Soo?

You will find out in just ½ hour EDT .....

Well, I'm going to run with the most mundane explanation I can piece together from everyone else's theories: Desmond has been hunkered down in a secret spy or nuclear weapon facility for the U.S. government but something went wrong and he didn't find out about the Cold War ending, or maybe he thought the planet got nuked. He knows nothing about plane crashes or ship wrecks or anything about the wackiness going on upstairs. He came to the island to do his job (unlike the rest who got there by accident) but he's also a victim of whatever is controlling the fate of everyone on the island. He doesn't have a clue what it is either.

Once Jack tells them what happened last season, he'll probably be convinced that they're commies coming to take the facility over.

Or he might be working for the commies. :) He had what looked like an AK on his shoulder right after the explosion.

I'm pretty sure that wasn't an AK-47 they showed him putting a clip into. It would be interesting though to track down exactly what it is - a model made during the 1960s perhaps?

Network previews are fair game.

I just went back and looked at the guns from last week. Slow-moed the rifle. It doesn't appear to be an AK-47. The clip is very short, much shorter than a typical AK-47, and also the clip doesn't curve. Also, the clip is shoved in at an angle rather than just straight up.

I briefly googled, and while I don't think I found the exact gun, it looks to me similar to the image shown here:

http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl00-e.htm

under where it says "Semi-automatic (self-loading) rifles"

Two things I noticed on reruns.

1) Desmond's lava lamp is stuck on top. Does that happen often?

2) His green bowl seems to be from KMart's Essential Home collection (http://www.kmart.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=117350&Ne=410000000&pCategoryId=466&N=500+4294964053&Nty=1&categoryId=500&sfp=forthehome_5links_dining). The words "Essential Home" are barely legible on the bottom of the bowl when he's washing it. I haven't seen the logo on the KMart dishware to see if they match, but I'd guess they do. On a side note, Googling for the brand suggests that the "Essential Home" brand replaced KMart's "Home Essentials" brand. I don't think this happened until after January 2005.

Well since they showed both stories in the recap I think we'll see both stories tonight.

I was kinda worried last week that since we got no raft story it would be all raft tonight, making us have to wait 2 weeks to see more of each plot, but that could still happen...

Well, I'm going to run with the most mundane explanation I can piece together from everyone else's theories: Desmond has been hunkered down in a secret spy or nuclear weapon facility for the U.S. government but something went wrong and he didn't find out about the Cold War ending, or maybe he thought the planet got nuked.
How do you explain him seeing Jack at the stadium?

What did one snowman say to the other snowman?

> See you in the spring. <

I swear Walt's Mom is the most evil character that I've ever seen on TV.

What did one snowman say to the other snowman?

> Do you smell carrots? <

Ok so I still don't know what the numbers do.. :(

What did one snowman say to the other snowman?

> Do you smell carrots? <

OK, that made me laugh. :D

Ok so I still don't know what the numbers do.. :(


A failsafe to keep something from happening.

Too Damn Many Commercials!!!!!!

Ok....

It doesn't look like were gonna get farther into the story tonight, just getting different angles and more info

Ok....

It doesn't look like were gonna get farther into the story tonight, just getting different angles and more info


Totally saw it and replayed in slomo...check it out!

I think he asked "What did one samuri say to the other samuri"?

Hmm stuffed polar bear?

Walt gets a polar bear as a gift when he's like 3 years old. Spooky.

i definitely saw the dharma logo on the sharks tail as well????????????

gahhhh boooooo ;)

Well that episode really sucked. Did nothing to further the storyline. IMHO.

Yeah I feeled toyed with, but I guess that's the whole point of the show

Well that episode really sucked. Did nothing to further the storyline. IMHO.Are you kidding! The "others" have finally been revealed!

pfc

This episode did not advance the storyline much but I can't wait for next week. The chick from the airport is also in the island. I wonder if the others are the passengers from flight 815 as well. Crazy stuff.

Well that episode really sucked. Did nothing to further the storyline. IMHO.

Are you a fan of Alias? My guess is no, but it's a pretty common trick they use, sort of replaying events from a different perspective. You got to see what happened to Kate and Locke after they went down the hatch. You also got to see what happened to the survivors on the raft. I liked it.....good ending too. I'm ready for next wed!

i definitely saw the dharma logo on the sharks tail as well????????????

Yep, just forward of the tail.

Are you kidding! The "others" have finally been revealed! pfc

A 5 second reveal means nothing. We saw move in the previews for next week than we did during the entire hour of the show.

was there the same seal that is on desmonds uniform on the shark?

edit: didnt see hte post above, my bad..

Yeah I feeled toyed with, but I guess that's the whole point of the show


Well we did learn a FEW things:

1) The numbers are a 'Dead Man's Switch' of sorts...if he doesn't enter them into the computer, something bad happens (discussed before)
2) All three raft guys made it out alive
3) Desmond has no idea what's going on in the outside world, he's not even sure it's still there. He expects people outside to be sick.
4) The Island has a defense mechanism that extends to the sea as well, as evidenced by the shark with the Dharma logo (freaky)
5) And we've finally seen the Others...freaks!

This show could've been tacked on to last week's show and been aired as a 90 minute season premiere.

The writers must really be out of ideas, if they're resorting to Alias tactics this quickly.

The "realtime" story wasn't advanced at all, but the different perspectives were cool. My only complaint would be that the backstory added nothing this week.

While I was a little disappointed in the lack of new info; it was the same last year; some weeks a lot is revealed, others mostly backstory, etc. In this case it seems like a buildup for the coming episodes.

Ok I dunno what I was doing but I didn't even see the shark. I thought Michael flipped out and started shooting at Josh. I hope we can get a cap of that ASAP :)

Well, I wound up watching the rerun of last week's episode at 8 and noticed that there were no rungs lying at the bottom of the hatch. We had some comments before that they may have been blown off in the explosion, but that doesn't work.

I wonder if Desmond's "Are you him?" could have been, "Are you my replacement?"

And what's with the word "Quarantine" bein in black stenciled letters one time and Red the next?

What did one snowman say to the other? "We are in the middle of snowhere"

A 5 second reveal means nothing. We saw move in the previews for next week than we did during the entire hour of the show.They sure looked like "those who had turned, those who had become ill" to me.

i definitely saw the dharma logo on the sharks tail as well????????????

LOL what would I do without you guys? I totally missed the logo; here's a snapshot from my recording...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b7/qweqaz5/DHARMA.jpg

I wonder if Desmond's "Are you him?" could have been, "Are you my replacement?"This is what I thought too, almost like he was expecting some relief from bunker "duty!"

Anyone getting a vibe like the bunker was built by someone who planned to release a mega-virus upon the world and wait it out. Sorta like a typical James Bond-ian villain. But the plan obviously went wrong somewhere. Desmond is just a know-nothing henchman.

I also saw the shark logo!

Still no idea what the swan in the logo means, but it did appear to me that the logo on the shark was slightly different - with a straight line in the middle instead of the swan curve.

Right, it's obviously a Government experiment gone "awry!"

I also saw the shark logo!

Still no idea what the swan in the logo means, but it did appear to me that the logo on the shark was slightly different - with a straight line in the middle instead of the swan curve.

Prolly just lazy CGI programmers

Not a story-related post, but was the audio on ABC HD weird for anyone else tonight? I had absolutely no center channel starting 8 PM with the encore showing of the season premiere, even though my receiver indicated 5.1 sound on the digital input. It continued through this week's episode as well as Invasion, right after. I'm using an HD DirecTivo w/ OTA antenna to get Detroit's WXYZ-DT. Other OTA HD channels were fine sound-wise, so I can only conclude that something was up on ABC's end. Kinda ruined the Lost experience tonight. :(

Just paused on the shark logo too which is hard as it passes by really quick. It's definitely a different logo in the center. Instead of a swan as mentioned above it looks to be a straight line going across the middle from left to right. It doesn't seem to be a picture this time compared to the swan before...

Maybe the logo in the center varies for "each division" of this company or whatever is doing all this. Like the shark's logo is for the marine division, the swan is for the bunker division, they may have an eagle or something for the air division, etc. We'll see...

i definitely saw the dharma logo on the sharks tail as well????????????Because the shark swam by so fast, I thought I was seeing things (when the logo flashed by). I'm guessing the shark isn't really branded...they're just wanting to see who's all paying attention. BTW, since it was a full moon out, they really should have cast tonight's raft scene in a bluish-tint.....it would've looked a lot more believeable.

Something else we learned: Desmond is probably NOT Jack's brother. He seems to use that word indiscriminately with everyone, not just Jack.

Here's another crazy idea:

Desmond is the subject of an experiment. He is fed a story by the bosses that he must stay in the bunker (which really acts as his cage) because the world went bad outside, and oh, he better take a daily injection of the drug to keep from getting sick himself. His cage/bunker is labelled on the outside with the numbers of his particular drug. He has to keep answering the computer tests to verify he hasn't died yet.

There could be tons more bunkers with other subjects spread throughout the island.

Any speculation on the significance *if any* of the Apollo brand on the candy bar that Kate eats?

Desmond thinks the Flight 815 survivors are actually - the 'other(s)' former island-bunker occupants (that he once kicked out) and works feverishly to make sure they stay out - would be my guess.

Eeek! A spoiler! :eek:

A 5 second reveal means nothing. We saw move in the previews for next week than we did during the entire hour of the show.
No kidding! :mad: I was somewhat disappointed by tonight's episode. Lots of repeats. The different perspectives were OK, but for an hour long show (more like 38 min with all the commercials), it didn't advance the story line any, other than toss the raft occupants on shore and show Kate in the air duct. Next weeks previews revealed the following:

- Anna Lucia (sp?) from the back of the plane is alive and in a caged pit. (gives hope for Rose's husband to also be alive, since she was so insistant in Season 1 that her husband still was alive)
- Others capture the 3 raft dudes and put them in the same pit as Anna
- Desmond running through the forrest, so he gets out of bunker at some point
- Locke in bunker wondering what to do (I assume he is trying to remember what numbers to enter in the computer)
- Hurley is down in the bunker, my guess - to arrive just in time to give Locke the numbers to enter in the computer
- Kate has a rifle, looks like the same one Desmond was holding in Episode 2; she probably dropped out of the air duct and got it from him

That's all I remember without viewing the preview footage again, but I know more from the preview than I learned all this episode, that's for sure.

One thing that seemed to happen in this episode is that when the numbers were entered in the Apple computer, the clock reset to 108 minutes, or 1hr 48 minutes. So every 1hr 48min the bunker occupant needs to keep entering those numbers, presumably to prevent something from happening. -- I found it interesting that Locke asked the question to Desmond "What happens when I enter/execute the numbers?" and Desmond (at gunpoint) just told Locke to do it. In season 1 Locke once or twice said "you're not asking the right question" then he asked a different question. This time is seems Locke is asking the wrong question. The right question seems to be "what happens if I don't enter the numbers?"

Ok watched the trailer again online. same thing I saw at the end of the EP. But wow I didn't see everything you mentioned in your post the first time. I'm really slow on the intake, eek!

Ok watched the trailer again online. same thing I saw at the end of the EP. But wow I didn't see everything you mentioned in your post the first time. I'm really slow on the intake, eek!
Heh-heh, I gotta admit I recorded tonight's episode and replayed the entire preview in slow-mo. :o But, what I typed above is from memory, so I might be missing one or two clips.

And one thing I've learned in the 8 hours since I ran across this thread earlier today (I'm a new Lost fan since this past weekend): It seems most people's theories posted here are very creative, and sound good, but they are not going in the same direction as the writers of the show. Like the theory of two bunkers, one with Kate in it and the other with Locke in it, one guy meticulously clean, and the other guy a dirty slob with dirty hands (or something like that). Tonight's episode seemed to squash that theory. There is only one Desmond, no clones. Still a lot of unanswered questions, looking forward to Episode 3 which will finally get us somewhere.

4) The Island has a defense mechanism that extends to the sea as well, as evidenced by the shark with the Dharma logo (freaky)

Wow, I totally missed. Bad storm here in Dallas tonight made my OTA recording a bit jumpy. Audio cut in and out as well, but visually, I missed it...and it was dark as hell too! Thanks for the screen cap.

I have a theory about Anna, but don't know how to do spoiler tags. It seems there's another thread around here that might have spoiler info. If I find it I'll post it there.

Did we ever figure out why Locke took his shoes off? I know it's customary in the South Pacific, but in an underground tunnel with puddles?

I have a theory about Anna, but don't know how to do spoiler tags. It seems there's another thread around here that might have spoiler info. If I find it I'll post it there.
OK, I'll stop making every other post here, but just a question -- is a theory really considered a "spoiler?" Lots of folks here have posted theories without them being moved to the spoiler thread.

To me a spoiler is when someone has seen an upcoming episode or has other insider info not available to the general public. Your theory that Anna is a mermaid who swam from the submerged tail section of the plane to the island isn't going to spoil anything for me. :eek: ;)

Did we ever figure out why Locke took his shoes off? I know it's customary in the South Pacific, but in an underground tunnel with puddles?
The only thing I could figure is that is was his "destiny." :rolleyes:

Okay then, I'll let it fly.

The gal in season one that Boone and Jack went after (the one "drowning") could that have been Anna? We don't know if she drowned or was taken by "the others". They said she was athletic, and they also said that there's so many of us here that we don't even know each other. Any chance it could have been Anna?

Did we ever figure out why Locke took his shoes off? I know it's customary in the South Pacific, but in an underground tunnel with puddles?

Don't look into this one too much. The answer is simple, and if you don't believe me, go back and watch it again.

Locke knows how to hunt, right? Well, sometimes your eyes mislead you. Use your ears. The rubber on his shoes and the water in the tunnel was making too much noise as he wanted to "creep" down the hall. Even his style of walking shows he was trying to be quiet. Once he took the shoes off, he was quiet.

:)

Did we ever figure out why Locke took his shoes off? I know it's customary in the South Pacific, but in an underground tunnel with puddles?
I think it was just so he could walk quietly.

I was hoping to at least learn how that brand new washer & dryer got down there! :confused:

Okay then, I'll let it fly.

The gal in season one that Boone and Jack went after (the one "drowning") could that have been Anna? We don't know if she drowned or was taken by "the others". They said she was athletic, and they also said that there's so many of us here that we don't even know each other. Any chance it could have been Anna?
The one that drowned was named Joanna, and Jack said he never said a word to her.

Did we ever figure out why Locke took his shoes off? I know it's customary in the South Pacific, but in an underground tunnel with puddles?

He took his shoes off to soften his footsteps. You could clearly hear him walking in the tunnel until he took his shoes off.

OK, I have a question and I don't recall it being discussed here, what is the deal with the mirrors? When Desmond hears the alarm he pulls down the telescope type apparatus and flips switches to aim the mirrors to see what is happening. With the mix of old and new technology, even in the "old" days there were TV monitors that could easily show what was going on. Doesn't anyone else think this is odd?

Locke knows how to hunt, right? Well, sometimes your eyes mislead you. Use your ears. The rubber on his shoes and the water in the tunnel was making too much noise as he wanted to "creep" down the hall. Even his style of walking shows he was trying to be quiet. Once he took the shoes off, he was quiet.

:)

Yup, his shoes were squeeking. As simple as that.

We owe ourselves a pat on the back...out of all our speculation this past week, we were actually correct about the the shoes being Locke's!

~Dan

Did we ever figure out why Locke took his shoes off? I know it's customary in the South Pacific, but in an underground tunnel with puddles?

He probably didn't want to stain Desmond's carpet and have him bring out the brand new Hoover Steamvac.

God this show is weird, also, Desmond can take 'the others' on single-handedly with the arsenal he has down there.

I personally expected a lot more from this episode.

The Mike/Sawyer sequence was a big let down because I was expecting more of a struggle. Instead I just saw Mike and Sawyer fighting like a married couple while they floated back to the Island. The shark wasn't even scary, logo or no logo.

I expected a more difficult and longer path for Mike/Jin/Sawyer, all things considered. The quick resolution was unsatisfying. I also think Mike has some of the more boring flashbacks. He's a very whiney character and the only real reveal of that flashback was the stuffed polar bear.

Also they could have shown the alternate perspective while advancing that plot line just a slight little bit. Having Jack say say something like "I know you" or something. Just a few seconds more of that exchange would have been satisfying.

The teaser about others was not quite as suspensful as the gun to Locke's head last week.

I guess we'll be getting more of these filler episodes interspersed with advancement episodes. I agree we got more out of the preview than we did for most of the episode.

To quote the Urban Dictionary:

1. Craptacular

Spectacularly crappy

To quote the Urban Dictionary:

1. Craptacular

Spectacularly crappy


You know, some of you people should write your own television shows, since you seem to be so good at dramatics. :)

Heh...an hour of your life back.

What's with all the drama? Is it just short attention spans, or what?

I'd rather they take their time, show us some alternate perspectives every now and then, and do the story right. It would be horrible if they crammed a bunch of "new" info/answers/etc. into each episode...they'd run out of ideas pretty quick.

I like tonight's episode. We got a few good clues, and we know we're getting closer to meeting the "others."

To quote the Urban Dictionary:

1. Craptacular

Spectacularly crappy

I agree: 100% BS, shameless crap. Not to mention how tired I am of the cheesy Mike and Walt flashbacks, I hope that the Others kill the boy and eat the father alive.

A few spoilers: the Others are cannibals. Desmond is gay and so is Locke. Kate is flat and likes junk food.

R

blah blah blah.... :rolleyes:

Anybody look at the lines surrounding the DHARMA logo? Each set of three is different.

There is only one Desmond, no clones. Still a lot of unanswered questions, looking forward to Episode 3 which will finally get us somewhere.It's possible that "Ethan" was Desmond's bunker mate, who stopped taking the medication and went crazy.

I can't believe I read through all the latest posts about last nights episode and not one person made a comment about the shot of Kate crawling through the air duck :D

Most try to focus on the key aspects of the episode and what was learned and advanced. The air duck really didn't seem to fit into any of these.

Ed

ok- in the preview we see Hurley in the bunker - this confirms another entrance as there is no way he's making it down that shaft!

ok- in the preview we see Hurley in the bunker - this confirms another entrance as there is no way he's making it down that shaft!

Not necssarily. Shaft is quite large, and given suitable support, about anyone could get down it.

However there is probably another entrance, as the shaft seems much more like an escape shaft than an entrance. It would also not be all that suitable for bringing in supplies and gear.

Ed

Not necssarily. Shaft is quite large, and given suitable support, about anyone could get down it.

However there is probably another entrance, as the shaft seems much more like an escape shaft than an entrance. It would also not be all that suitable for bringing in supplies and gear.

Ed
nahh no way, i dont see hurly even attempting that. Who is going to lower him down even if he could fit!???????????

What we did learn last night was:

1. Desmond is the bunker guy
2. He thinks the outside is in bad shape and anyone there is sick
3. He is expecting some sort of replacement person
4. He has probably been there for a while, but not as long as the facility has
existed
5. There are lots of supplies there, all logo labeled
6. Most of bunker looks rough, old, and leaky.
7. Bunker has some sort of magnetic machinery running
8. Mike, Sawyer, and Jin all survived the raft
9. There are angry others on the island (perhaps other survivors)
10. Desmond believes the computer and numbers are some sort of self destruct
cut off, as the countdown reset after numbers were entered.

Ed

Two things I noticed on reruns.

1) Desmond's lava lamp is stuck on top. Does that happen often? Yes, if you run it too long. The instructions on most lava lamps warn against running them for more than 10 hours at a time. It throws off the specific gravity required to maintain motion and too long of an exposure to heat can ruin the goop ("lava") inside.

2) His green bowl seems to be from KMart's Essential Home collection (http://www.kmart.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=117350&Ne=410000000&pCategoryId=466&N=500+4294964053&Nty=1&categoryId=500&sfp=forthehome_5links_dining). The words "Essential Home" are barely legible on the bottom of the bowl when he's washing it. I haven't seen the logo on the KMart dishware to see if they match, but I'd guess they do. On a side note, Googling for the brand suggests that the "Essential Home" brand replaced KMart's "Home Essentials" brand. I don't think this happened until after January 2005.
Which would probably put them in the same delivery as his new washer and dryer. Also, while most of the items in the pantry were good for a long time, many items would only be good for a year or two. The chocolate, in particular would not have lasted long, especially if not kept cool.

I'm wondering what was in those wooden boxes Kate stepped on. They seemed to linger on them a bit more than they needed to. There was some kind of rope handle on them. Perhaps wine to go along with the new wine uncorker?

OK, I have a question and I don't recall it being discussed here, what is the deal with the mirrors? When Desmond hears the alarm he pulls down the telescope type apparatus and flips switches to aim the mirrors to see what is happening. With the mix of old and new technology, even in the "old" days there were TV monitors that could easily show what was going on. Doesn't anyone else think this is odd?The scope would have continued to function without power - a possible situation if an attack took place. On the other hand, maybe it's a device Desmond himself rigged up.

I can't believe I read through all the latest posts about last nights episode and not one person made a comment about the shot of Kate crawling through the air duck :D But did her shirt change color, like Bruce Willis in Die Hard?

This has been one of my pet peeves in TV and film for years. Who builds a secured facility with vents big and sturdy enough to crawl through? I work in a 120,000 SqFt building and the vents are half the size needed for even Walt to crawl through. Not to mention they're so thin and flexable, they'd come right down if you just yanked on them.

nahh no way, i dont see hurly even attempting that. Who is going to lower him down even if he could fit!???????????

exactly - i think a person of his weight would have an extremely difficult time trying to lower himself - and i can't imagine who (of those we've seen) helping him - Charlie! maybe ethan helped him :D

nahh no way, i dont see hurly even attempting that. Who is going to lower him down even if he could fit!???????????
Who knows, maybe they found the rest of the ladder.

Ed

Who builds a secured facility with vents big and sturdy enough to crawl through? I work in a 120,000 SqFt building and the vents are half the size needed for even Walt to crawl through. Not to mention they're so thin and flexable, they'd come right down if you just yanked on them.

Depends. We used to build secure facilities. Many have hard walls and ceilings (to avoid falling stuff), with large vents above. However any true secure facility has blocks built inside the vent structures to prevent crawling.

This facility seems not set for prisoners, but a safe area for inside folks. She was locked in the supply room, which would not need to be all that secure.

Ed

not sure what it means, or if its coincidence, but a google search for the apollo chocolate bar lead me to a bunch of japanese chocolate stores. Looks like apollo chocolate is a japanese chocolate company. ( http://www.livejournal.com/community/japanophile/40111.html?thread=200879#t200879 ) . I cant find that specific wrapper, maybe it doesnt mean anything at all. Also can anybody translate what Jin was saying to them when he was running towards them tied up at the end???


EDIT: the more i search i dont think its a coincidence - the more i watch this show im not sure anything is coincidence. Apollo is a pretty famous japanese chocolate company it looks like, although I dont think anything on the wrapper was written in japanese. Maybe im just reading into nothing, but that was pretty much the only "clue" of anything I seen last night. But of all the names the writers could have used, real or fake, why would they choose a japanese chocolate company.

Also can anybody translate what Jin was saying to them when he was running towards them tied up at the end???

He was trying to say "others".

He was trying to say "others".
yea but he was yelling a bunch of other stuff while he was running no? All of that yelling was just "others"???

yea but he was yelling a bunch of other stuff while he was running no? All of that yelling was just "others"???

I had the closed captioning on, and it showed him repeating "others" over and over..

Most try to focus on the key aspects of the episode and what was learned and advanced. The air duck really didn't seem to fit into any of these.

Ed

I am pretty sure this is not the point BigG was trying to make. I for one enjoyed the air duct camera angle!

I really wish they would have just gave us one more line of what Jack or Desmond says next, would have made the whole episode for me atleast, heres to next week

It did hold on Desmond's face long enough that it now appears he has no clue or recollection who Jack is.

ok- in the preview we see Hurley in the bunker - this confirms another entrance as there is no way he's making it down that shaft!

To me, it appeared as if Hurley had entered the pantry (where Kate had been locked up) and, by the look on his face, clearly saw all the food supplies that are there. Priceless...

Another probably meaningless closed caption note. When Desmond calls Jack brother, the closed captioning has the word brother in italics. Doesn't the closed captioning come directly from what the studio sends them? If so, it might be a clue, but probably not.

Now if there were a blue paw print on it I'd say it's definetly a clue. I'm going to my thinking chair now to think, think, THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINK!

(can you tell I have a 2 year old? and a 7 month old)

Disapointing I thought... all week long the trailers kept saying this week we would learn the truth, or something like that. We learned that Walt's mom is the coldest bitch on the planet, and Kate looks nice crawling through an air duct. Oh, and Larry, Moe, and Curly survived the raft explosion. Is it just me though, or did anyone else, once you noticed the logo'd shark, think:

"I just want sharks with freakin' lasers on their heads! How hard is that people!"

I really wish they would have just gave us one more line of what Jack or Desmond says next, would have made the whole episode for me atleast, heres to next week

Tune in next week.

It did hold on Desmond's face long enough that it now appears he has no clue or recollection who Jack is.

Probably a side-effect of being on the Island for too long, despite the protection of the bunker and the drugs he's taking.

bah! i tuned in THIS week for it! :P

Hey, you can always watch "Joey" instead! :D

Few things:

1. Looking at the still of the logo on the shark, what is the other image (below and to the right) on the shark? Looks a lot like the lower portion of a soldier of sorts.

2. In the supply room, did there not seem to be an inordinate quantity of olives? I'm sure this is irrelevant as canned olives have a long shelf life, but there were just so many of them. I also noticed the large jars of maraschino cherries that Desmond uses in his daily shakes.

3. The theory posted earlier about Desmond being an experiment and the test being to enter the numbers every 108 minutes seems pretty feasible. Perhaps it is the vaccine that is being tested though, not Desmond himself. Perhaps the others are folks who had taken a different bacth of vaccine and became deranged.

Regarding the storeroom, I was wondering if the number/letter sequence that was on a number of items might mean something?

DI 9FFTR731

... it was on many items, some also with an item description. Except for a jar of Apple Sauce that also had the sequence but didn't have the last digit.

I didn't Tivo, that's all from memory, so it may be off a little. ;)

Candy Bar:
Apollo - "Full O' Nuts!"

After he enters the command, the counter resets to 108 and stops. that seems to imply that the countdown is triggered by something else.

Ed

found this intresting.
if you look at this picture. the one where they first see the others coming at them it apears that you see anna in the background and that one black man in front of her.
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=736&pos=411

then from the preview you see anna in some sort of cage with the raft guys.
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=737&pos=6

so if these are the island "others" and not the plane survivor others why is she not tied up like jin was and she's just standing in the back?

I am pretty sure this is not the point BigG was trying to make. I for one enjoyed the air duct camera angle!

Yes there were those two subjects...

Yeah, where is the screen cap from the air duct?

In the supply room, did there not seem to be an inordinate quantity of olives? I'm sure this is irrelevant as canned olives have a long shelf life, but there were just so many of them.

I saw a large jar of Black Olives, another jar of what appears to be Green Olives and a tin of Olive Oil.

Doesn't seem like too much.

found this intresting.
if you look at this picture. the one where they first see the others coming at them it apears that you see anna in the background and that one black man in front of her.

so if these are the island "others" and not the plane survivor others why is she not tied up like jin was and she's just standing in the back?

What is more interesting is that they all seem to be carrying home made weapons, some of which look like airplane parts. This implies they believe they need protection, and that their first instinct is to attack strangers.

That might imply that either they are sick, or experienced with others also on the island (like the boat guys).

Ed

found this intresting.
if you look at this picture. the one where they first see the others coming at them it apears that you see anna in the background and that one black man in front of her.
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=736&pos=411

then from the preview you see anna in some sort of cage with the raft guys.
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=737&pos=6

so if these are the island "others" and not the plane survivor others why is she not tied up like jin was and she's just standing in the back?

I thought it was more likely that the other islanders were not the others, but may feel that Jin, Sawyer, and Michael might be part of whatever has been tormenting them since they got there.

All had rudimentary weapons and the people we know are "the Others" have real weapons.

It did hold on Desmond's face long enough that it now appears he has no clue or recollection who Jack is.


Yeah, but it had been years and they only met once in the dark. He likely made a much more memorable figure to Jack than Jack made to him.

"Oh yeah, you're the doofus who sprained his ankle trying to keep up with my genetically engineered body" :-)

I'm just talking about the difference between Ep.1 and Ep.2 - After Ep.1 it seemed like Desmond might have smirked at Jack like he remembered him.

Personally, I don't know how Jack or Desmond would remember each other. Jack barely looked at him how many years ago.

It did hold on Desmond's face long enough that it now appears he has no clue or recollection who Jack is.
I noticed that too, D also kept on calling Locke Brother as well. D has plenty of time to recognize Jack through the cameras, as it gave a good shot of Jack's face.
I'm thinking that Desmond is a clone, the Desmond that met Jack in the past is either the original Desmond or another clone but with some kind of superpowers that cured Jack's future wife. Maybe the Desmond underground was instructed to wait his post in the bunker until he is relieved of duty by a superior ("Are you him?") and that person can only relieve him by giving a password (I forgot what D asked Locke to test him). Until D has been relieved he has to enter in the code before the countdown or the "monster" comes out, which may explain why we haven't heard from that very often (a couple of times Desmond fell asleep and didn't enter the code, resulting in the monster attacks)

Just paused on the shark logo too which is hard as it passes by really quick. It's definitely a different logo in the center. Instead of a swan as mentioned above it looks to be a straight line going across the middle from left to right. It doesn't seem to be a picture this time compared to the swan before...

Maybe the logo in the center varies for "each division" of this company or whatever is doing all this. Like the shark's logo is for the marine division, the swan is for the bunker division, they may have an eagle or something for the air division, etc. We'll see...

DFARMA ? f=fish?

I'm just talking about the difference between Ep.1 and Ep.2 - After Ep.1 it seemed like Desmond might have smirked at Jack like he remembered him.

that's exactly what three of us watching the show thought -- that Desmond either remembered him or more likely (to us at the time) was that he knew Jack would be there...
not so sure now after last nites ep!

that's exactly what three of us watching the show thought -- that Desmond either remembered him or more likely (to us at the time) was that he knew Jack would be there...
not so sure now after last nites ep!
the smirk looked like he knew him, but the fact that he shot at him makes me think he doesnt. Then again maybe he did recognise him, but he's not sure if he's "sick" or not, and since he's holding a gun he's not taking chances

3. The theory posted earlier about Desmond being an experiment and the test being to enter the numbers every 108 minutes seems pretty feasible. Perhaps it is the vaccine that is being tested though, not Desmond himself. Perhaps the others are folks who had taken a different bacth of vaccine and became deranged.
Doesn't make sense that the vaccine is being tested. The vaccine isn't being tested if Desmond is locked up in a bunker 24/7. In that case, the bunker is doing the protecting, not the vaccine.

that's exactly what three of us watching the show thought -- that Desmond either remembered him or more likely (to us at the time) was that he knew Jack would be there...
not so sure now after last nites ep!


Yeah, being down in that bunker for as long as he has (not sure how long that is...10-16 years?) has run him down. He seemed pretty together with his Yoda-like advice to Jack that night. Laid back, at ease. Now he's paranoid and angry. But to his credit, he didn't just shoot them all as they came down. I don't see him as a bad guy in all of this, just someone who was used and used badly.

edited for spelling

so it seems there are 5 different human parties on the island - the regular cast led by Jack, Locke, etc; Rousseau as the lone survivor from her boat trip; the "others" which are the sick, possibly related to the old pirate ship; Desmond from the bunker, and the "hunters" as Jin described them, which actually appear to be the other 1/2 of the survivors from the flight 815. Now how do we explain the monster that ate the pilot and making lots of noise ?

Doesn't make sense that the vaccine is being tested. The vaccine isn't being tested if Desmond is locked up in a bunker 24/7. In that case, the bunker is doing the protecting, not the vaccine.


Well, if you want a controlled test subject, then having the subject live in a bunker makes pretty good sense to me. That way the only influence on the subject is the vaccine and the known food substances that are ingested.

He seemed pretty together with his Yoda-like advice to Jack that night. Laid back, at ease. Now he's paranoid and angry.Just like Rousseau.

One theory that can be discounted is that Desmond had similar encounters with the other survivors in the past. Neither Locke nor Kate acted like they had ever run into him before. I'm starting to think that the Desmond-Jack encounter in the stadium was just a big coincidence.

I think that "the Others" or whoever we saw in the previews are sickwith whatever disease the island carries.

I think it was just so he could walk quietly.
Yes, did you hear the 'squishing' sound his shoes were making? He took them off for stealth (didn't work out too well).

Worked well for the first two steps he made with dry socks. :)

Well, if you want a controlled test subject, then having the subject live in a bunker makes pretty good sense to me. That way the only influence on the subject is the vaccine and the known food substances that are ingested.My impression is Desmond is there to monitor what is happening on the Island which is the reason he's (not so safely) tucked away in the bunker and has some sort of serum to prevent what made the other's become ill. His conversation with Jack and the miraculous recovery from Sarah's injuries lends credence to the belief Desmond has or is associated with some supernatural entity.

Personally, I don't know how Jack or Desmond would remember each other. Jack barely looked at him how many years ago.

I think it was more due to his accent and calling other guys "Brother" that tipped Jack off. Of course Desmond didn't recognize him, Jack was wearing that terribly cheesy wig back then!

I've been thinking about the drug that we see Desmond inject during the first episode. I guess I assumed since he was taking it during the work-out sequence, I figured it was a performance-enhancing drug.

TZ

Did anyone notice 4+8+15+16+23+42=108?
The same number that the 'countdown' goes to after typing in the numbers and hitting execute.

My impression is Desmond is there to monitor what is happening on the Island which is the reason he's (not so safely) tucked away in the bunker and has some sort of serum to prevent what made the other's become ill. His conversation with Jack and the miraculous recovery from Sarah's injuries lends credence to the belief Desmond has or is associated with some supernatural entity.

Perhaps, but if Desmond were monitoring the island, wouldn't he know about the plane crash, the survivors, the attempts at opening the hatch, and so forth and so on.

Perhaps the island does have some sort of disease and perhaps the serum Desmond is injecting is a trial vaccine, but if he never leaves the bunker, what kind of trial is that?

I agree that Desmond seems to be related to Jack's wife miracle recovery from paralysis - the same affliction from which Locke recovered. Surely one can say the island cured Locke, but that can't be said for Jack's wife.

As for Jack meeting Desmond being a coincidence, I doubt that. Nothing seems to be a coincidence on Lost and that scene in the stadium has to be meaningful part of the story.

Does anyone know exactly what Desmond asked Locke in order to determine if Locke was his replacement (as theorized previously)?

I think it was more due to his accent and calling other guys "Brother" that tipped Jack off. Of course Desmond didn't recognize him, Jack was wearing that terribly cheesy wig back then!

I've been thinking about the drug that we see Desmond inject during the first episode. I guess I assumed since he was taking it during the work-out sequence, I figured it was a performance-enhancing drug.

TZNah, I take them all the time... and they don't make my eyes :eek: pop-out-of-my-head like that! :D

Does anyone know exactly what Desmond asked Locke in order to determine if Locke was his replacement (as theorized previously)?

What did one snowman say to the other snowman?

Now how do we explain the monster that ate the pilot and making lots of noise ?

As I posted a few pages back, I think they must be a swarm of microscopic airborne nanobots (think Crichton's Prey). They can link together temporarily to do heavy physical tasks, such as dragging Locke thru the forest or stripping the skin off the pilot and dumping him in a tree. That's the only non-paranormal explanation that makes any sense at all to me.

Now, what would be interesting, is to hear what David Fury's ideas for the "monster" were before he left the show in a huff due to creative differences with the Producers. He reputedly didn't like the direction they were taking the show; I wonder what direction he would have taken it in?

As to Desmond, I wonder just how long ago it was when Jack met him in the stadium? If there's only one Desmond, then he couldn't have been down in the bunker that long; Jack's not that old. It couldn't have been more than 2 or 3 years, I'm thinking.

Oh, and I think we've solved the "mystery" of why Locke took his shoes off now. :rolleyes:

Did anyone notice 4+8+15+16+23+42=108?
The same number that the 'countdown' goes to after typing in the numbers and hitting execute.

Yes, this was discussed last week.

What did one snowman say to the other snowman?

Thanks. I clearly missed that in previous posts. Duh.

I agree that Desmond seems to be related to Jack's wife miracle recovery from paralysis - the same affliction from which Locke recovered. Surely one can say the island cured Locke, but that can't be said for Jack's wife.

We still don't know how Locke lost the use of his legs. For all we know, the incident with his Father/Kidney caused some psychological break that made him lose the use of his legs.

I think they're moving away from all things supernatural.

What did one snowman say to the other snowman?

My daughter answered that right away. But I still prefer the "Do you smell carrots" answer better. :D

I thought it was more likely that the other islanders were not the others, but may feel that Jin, Sawyer, and Michael might be part of whatever has been tormenting them since they got there.

All had rudimentary weapons and the people we know are "the Others" have real weapons.
I wonder if these other islanders are the tail section people. If so, then why did they throw Anna in the pit, as she is also a tail section person? And since its been mentioned one of those islanders is a black male, maybe that is Rose's husband? They played that angle 2-3x in previous episodes, so you know Rose's husband has to come back, either alive, or now transformed as an "other" or something.

One thing no one has mentioned yet ... how did Jin make it to the Island way ahead of the other two? Did he hitch a ride on the others boat, or did he grab on to a piece of the raft and kick his legs and get to the island much sooner?

i didnt realise that was an actual joke (snowman), google search shows the actual punchline is 'do you smell carrots', i thought somebody on here just made it up.

Adewale A-A is too young to play Rose's husband. He'll probably show up later when Rose is available for a backstory.

Obviously Jin must have kicked like hell - and the shark doesn't care for Korean food. ;)

As I posted a few pages back, I think they must be a swarm of microscopic airborne nanobots (think Crichton's Prey). They can link together temporarily to do heavy physical tasks, such as dragging Locke thru the forest or stripping the skin off the pilot and dumping him in a tree. That's the only non-paranormal explanation that makes any sense at all to me.

Now, what would be interesting, is to hear what David Fury's ideas for the "monster" were before he left the show in a huff due to creative differences with the Producers. He reputedly didn't like the direction they were taking the show; I wonder what direction he would have taken it in?

As to Desmond, I wonder just how long ago it was when Jack met him in the stadium? If there's only one Desmond, then he couldn't have been down in the bunker that long; Jack's not that old. It couldn't have been more than 2 or 3 years, I'm thinking.

Oh, and I think we've solved the "mystery" of why Locke took his shoes off now. :rolleyes:But Desmond wanted to know if any of the crash survivors had turned after only 44 days on the Island.

Because of "spoiler" issues I can't go into too much detail here but... as I said in a previous (mod-deleted) post... I now believe this is nothing more than a holo-deck program running on the Star Ship "Enterprise" that is out of control and has caused a rift in the "space-time" continuum. At any moment I expect to see Capt. Kirk rush in and save the Day! Oh no wait... he's a lawyer on Boston Legal now. Scratch that thought! :D

i didnt realise that was an actual joke (snowman), google search shows the actual punchline is 'do you smell carrots', i thought somebody on here just made it up.

I didn't realize it either. I thought "See you in the Spring (aka: creek or stream) made sense as the "real" answer.

Another probably meaningless closed caption note. When Desmond calls Jack brother, the closed captioning has the word brother in italics. Doesn't the closed captioning come directly from what the studio sends them? If so, it might be a clue, but probably not.

Now if there were a blue paw print on it I'd say it's definetly a clue. I'm going to my thinking chair now to think, think, THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINK!

(can you tell I have a 2 year old? and a 7 month old)
It depends - sometimes the CC company transcribes the show, sometimes they get a script. Remember, Desmond emphasized the word, so the CC would reflect that. In addition, if they got a script, the emphasis would likely have been there for the actor to express. However, I do find myself watching the CC with this show since little things like a single word can mean a lot. In this case, I think the italics was to show people that the character emphasized the word. I've seen it that way before.

My impression is Desmond is there to monitor what is happening on the Island which is the reason he's (not so safely) tucked away in the bunker and has some sort of serum to prevent what made the other's become ill. His conversation with Jack and the miraculous recovery from Sarah's injuries lends credence to the belief Desmond has or is associated with some supernatural entity.
I don't think so. There doesn't seem to be any evidence he can see what's going on above - no security monitors, no satellite images - not even a map of the island to be seen. In addition, he didn't know who his visitors were, how they got to the island or the fact they were breaking in until the explosion happened.

If he were monitoring the island, I would thing something as catastrophic as an airliner breaking up and crashing on the beach, the jungle and at least one other area of the island would have been noticed. Being that the bunkers is quite close to the survivors' encampment, it would stand to reason their area would fall within the monitored area. If the monitored area was across the island, there wouldn't be a reason to bury such a large complex so deep - it's presence wouldn't affect the studied area. Merely camolflaging it would have probably been enough to keep it undiscovered by the study subjects.

What's with all the drama? Is it just short attention spans, or what?

I'd rather they take their time, show us some alternate perspectives every now and then, and do the story right. It would be horrible if they crammed a bunch of "new" info/answers/etc. into each episode...they'd run out of ideas pretty quick.

I like tonight's episode. We got a few good clues, and we know we're getting closer to meeting the "others."

No kidding.

If you want "tied up in a pretty little bow" drama, watch CSI or Law & Order (there are only about 16 of them spread throughout the week). I guarantee you they'll solve the case in an hour and never talk about it again.

Two of the great things about Lost are its depth and the intricate unraveling of the story lines.

Did you notice how long it took Sawyer to swim to the pontoon - then when Mike paddled to meet up with him, it took about 5 seconds to get there?

I wonder if these other islanders are the tail section people. If so, then why did they throw Anna in the pit, as she is also a tail section person? And since its been mentioned one of those islanders is a black male, maybe that is Rose's husband? They played that angle 2-3x in previous episodes, so you know Rose's husband has to come back, either alive, or now transformed as an "other" or something.

One thing no one has mentioned yet ... how did Jin make it to the Island way ahead of the other two? Did he hitch a ride on the others boat, or did he grab on to a piece of the raft and kick his legs and get to the island much sooner?

My guess is that Jin's night will be recapped next episode...even more 'filler'.

Although it will allow us to put these "Others" in context. If they are survivors of flight 815 who have gone a little nutty, that's one thing. But someone made a good point that the "Others" that took Walt have guns, a boat, gas, technology. "The Others" shown on the beach have homemade instruments out of miscellaneous items. Seems to be two different groups.

I'll go along with the previous guess that the people we see attacking are Flight 815 survivors that are either 'sick' or paranoid after being messed with by the real others.

It depends - sometimes the CC company transcribes the show, sometimes they get a script. Remember, Desmond emphasized the word, so the CC would reflect that. In addition, if they got a script, the emphasis would likely have been there for the actor to express. However, I do find myself watching the CC with this show since little things like a single word can mean a lot. In this case, I think the italics was to show people that the character emphasized the word. I've seen it that way before.


I don't think so. There doesn't seem to be any evidence he can see what's going on above - no security monitors, no satellite images - not even a map of the island to be seen. In addition, he didn't know who his visitors were, how they got to the island or the fact they were breaking in until the explosion happened.

If he were monitoring the island, I would thing something as catastrophic as an airliner breaking up and crashing on the beach, the jungle and at least one other area of the island would have been noticed. Being that the bunkers is quite close to the survivors' encampment, it would stand to reason their area would fall within the monitored area. If the monitored area was across the island, there wouldn't be a reason to bury such a large complex so deep - it's presence wouldn't affect the studied area. Merely camolflaging it would have probably been enough to keep it undiscovered by the study subjects.I don't know. The bunker and it's occupant seem to be way too sophisticated to be there by accident.

Anyone else have that "Make Your Own Kind of Music" stuck in their head now? REALLY ANNOYING!

Disapointing I thought... all week long the trailers kept saying this week we would learn the truth, or something like that. We learned that Walt's mom is the coldest bitch on the planet, and Kate looks nice crawling through an air duct. Oh, and Larry, Moe, and Curly survived the raft explosion. Is it just me though, or did anyone else, once you noticed the logo'd shark, think:

"I just want sharks with freakin' lasers on their heads! How hard is that people!"


I thought the exact same line about sharks with lasers on my head as did my brother...

I just looked a tmy brother and said, "even sharks deserve a warm meal..."

-Evangelo2

I don't know. The bunker and it's occupant seem to be way too sophisticated to be there by accident.
The bunker has a clear reason to be there, but it's intended use may be different from todays use.

Construction and gear date back at least 30 years. More like a fallout shelter or radiation/bomb observing station. However it's use in Lost might be completely different.

It's also clear he was unaware of the surface actions to break in. That seems to imply limited surface monitoring, if at all.

Ed

Well that episode really sucked. Did nothing to further the storyline. IMHO.

We know there are sharks in the water that can be taken out with a hand gun!

Anyone else have that "Make Your Own Kind of Music" stuck in their head now? REALLY ANNOYING!Nope. For me, it's an etirely forgetable tune. No problem there. On the other hand, that friggin' "Hollaback Girl" song by Gween Stefani gets stuck there for hours when the radio station plays it every morning at the same time I go to work. Why is it the worst songs are so easy to get stuck in your head?

I think they're moving away from all things supernatural.


I disagree. I think the island's supernatural healing powers is still the key as to why they are on the island and the one thing that everyone seems to be forgetting with everything else that is going on. Everyone on flight 815 was brought to the island for a reason. And everyone seems to be healing (except Hurley). Maybe that's what Desmond is being quarantined from.

Don't forget it is very important that Claire is the one that raises her baby, but we still don't know what happened to her when she was kidnapped.

My guess is that Jin's night will be recapped next episode...even more 'filler'.

Although it will allow us to put these "Others" in context. If they are survivors of flight 815 who have gone a little nutty, that's one thing. But someone made a good point that the "Others" that took Walt have guns, a boat, gas, technology. "The Others" shown on the beach have homemade instruments out of miscellaneous items. Seems to be two different groups.

I'll go along with the previous guess that the people we see attacking are Flight 815 survivors that are either 'sick' or paranoid after being messed with by the real others.

this is why I posted that there are 5 distinct groups on the island

Okay, I know I'm new to this thread and haven't gone back and read all 283 pages worth of postings (so, I'm a slacker!). Anyway, I've seen the first two episodes along with a summary a last year and I have a quick question, does each episode spend half it's time with the various characters' back stories?

I disagree. I think the island's supernatural healing powers is still the key as to why they are on the island and the one thing that everyone seems to be forgetting with everything else that is going on.

Not sure the supernatural part will play a big role. I think they will float the concept out there, but not really resolve it (kind of like X-Files did with a lot of topics). Many viewers may be completely turned off with too much supernatural stuff that really ties in. Drama sells better.

It's like the backwards comment from the vision of Walt. They may never revisit it or resolve it.

Ed

i didnt realise that was an actual joke (snowman), google search shows the actual punchline is 'do you smell carrots', i thought somebody on here just made it up.
Except the answer wouldn't be a common one, but they would change it to fit the island, like "Do you smell a polar bear?"

I wonder if these other islanders are the tail section people. If so, then why did they throw Anna in the pit, as she is also a tail section person?

I recall that last season Sawyer was held captive (tied up anyway) by other survivors. Perhaps Anna is a bad girl in the same vein as Sawyer...

Although it will allow us to put these "Others" in context. If they are survivors of flight 815 who have gone a little nutty, that's one thing. But someone made a good point that the "Others" that took Walt have guns, a boat, gas, technology. "The Others" shown on the beach have homemade instruments out of miscellaneous items. Seems to be two different groups.

I'll go along with the previous guess that the people we see attacking are Flight 815 survivors that are either 'sick' or paranoid after being messed with by the real others.







this is why I posted that there are 5 distinct groups on the island


Wasn't trying to steal anyone's thunder. I just said that I was agreeing with it.

Not sure the supernatural part will play a big role. I think they will float the concept out there, but not really resolve it (kind of like X-Files did with a lot of topics). Many viewers may be completely turned off with too much supernatural stuff that really ties in. Drama sells better.

It's like the backwards comment from the vision of Walt. They may never revisit it or resolve it.

Ed


But Locke and Walt are the two characters who are directly tied to the supernatural aspect. All summer long ABC has said they will spend much of the season exploring the conflict between Jack and Locke.

Except the answer wouldn't be a common one, but they would change it to fit the island, like "Do you smell a polar bear?"

Not sure that answer would make much sense.

nahh no way, i dont see hurly even attempting that. Who is going to lower him down even if he could fit!???????????

There is a whole pantry of food. I am pretty sure Hurley is willing to go down the shaft for that. Anybody on the island would at this point.

am i the only one that thinks there was a reason that the only "name brand" food was the apollo chocolate bar (which is a japanese chocolate company)?? everything else in the room looked like goverment/generic food, just standards "OLIVES", etc, but the chocolate bar, which is the only thing she ate, had a label on it. I also think her eating that may come back up either to haunt her or help her, just like jack drinking desmonds water. Watching it i thought it was pretty strange that she is locked in a underground room, with a crazy guy with a gun outside, monsters all over, her life in danger, and she takes time to eat some chocolate?!?!!?!?!??!!?!?!?! they werent starving, they've been there for 44 days im sure they are eating well by now, does she have that much of a urge for sweets that she' chooses now to eat the chocolate ANDDDDD take a bunch extra for later?????? why the hell did she find it neccessary to take 10 extra chocolate bars for later!!!

Not sure the supernatural part will play a big role. I think they will float the concept out there, but not really resolve it (kind of like X-Files did with a lot of topics). Many viewers may be completely turned off with too much supernatural stuff that really ties in. Drama sells better.

It's like the backwards comment from the vision of Walt. They may never revisit it or resolve it.

Ed


But Locke and Walt are the two characters who are directly tied to the supernatural aspect. All summer long ABC has said they will spend much of the season exploring the conflict between Jack and Locke.

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I can't believe I read through all the latest posts about last nights episode and not one person made a comment about the shot of Kate crawling through the air duck :D

An air duck? Maybe that is the final security system?

(From Marc Berman’s Programming Insider column of Thursday, September 29, 2005 at Mediaweek.com)
“…A repeat of the Lost season-premiere (in place of the delayed one-hour season-premiere of George Lopez) opened the evening with a first-place 7.7/12 in the overnights, 11.53 million viewers and a 4.1/12 among adults 18-49. Yes, a repeat of Lost won the 8 p.m. hour against original competition on four of the five competing networks! That led into week two of Lost at a whopping 14.9/21 in overnights, 22.66 million viewers and a 9.4/23 among adults 18-49 from 9-10 p.m., easily the most-watched and highest-rated program of the evening…”

am i the only one that thinks there was a reason that the only "name brand" food was the apollo chocolate bar (which is a japanese chocolate company)?? everything else in the room looked like goverment/generic food, just standards "OLIVES", etc, but the chocolate bar, which is the only thing she ate, had a label on it. I also think her eating that may come back up either to haunt her or help her, just like jack drinking desmonds water. Watching it i thought it was pretty strange that she is locked in a underground room, with a crazy guy with a gun outside, monsters all over, her life in danger, and she takes time to eat some chocolate?!?!!?!?!??!!?!?!?! they werent starving, they've been there for 44 days im sure they are eating well by now, does she have that much of a urge for sweets that she' chooses now to eat the chocolate ANDDDDD take a bunch extra for later?????? why the hell did she find it neccessary to take 10 extra chocolate bars for later!!!

Candy bars wouldn't typically be sold in non-branded "industrial" packaging. Even military MREs contain branded items.

The sweets craving would absolutely make sense - probably an urge for salty items as well. 44 days of a bland diet is more than enough to develop a strong urge for sweets - probably happens at about 4 or 5 days.

Except the answer wouldn't be a common one, but they would change it to fit the island, like "Do you smell a polar bear?"

Not sure that answer would make much sense.
I was half joking. Forgot the smiley. :) My point was they would not use a common joke to determine if Locke was "Him," the replacement. You could use a common joke but then change the answer to fit your situation. On this island there are polar bears, and since it is a snowman joke, that's why I came up with the answer "Do you smell a polar bear?" It doesn't make sense, but it is not suppose to, since you want the answer to be inside information, not a common answer. K. I won't go there again. :rolleyes:

An air duck? Maybe that is the final security system?

The only way to defeat the Air Duck is with a roll of Duck Tape. :)

Thanks for the screen cap.
Also thanks, but I swear I can't make a thing out on it. All I see are two bright areas. Where I am supposed to look?

Thanks.

Surprised there's no Kate in the duct screencap. Gravity does wonders for her cleavage. ;)

Candy bars wouldn't typically be sold in non-branded "industrial" packaging. Even military MREs contain branded items.

The sweets craving would absolutely make sense - probably an urge for salty items as well. 44 days of a bland diet is more than enough to develop a strong urge for sweets - probably happens at about 4 or 5 days.

eh the show is probably just making me crazy. I still dont think the craving would overcome the need to get the hell out of that room. its not like she was just sitting around with no hope, she had a plan to get out, she was on her way to the vent, and she stops to eat chocolate, AND on top of that fills her pockets, the last thing i wanna worry about crawling through a air duct is chocolate bars loaded in my pocket. Im probably reading too much into it.