Actually, computers of that vintage (including that very computer) had modems, could get on the internet (yes, the internet...just because there was no "world wide web" doesn't mean there was no interenet), and could connect to other devices through several means. Serial port being one. I can hook my Apple II up to my PC via null modem cable and communicate all day long...


Actually, they couldn't, since there was no internet until 1991, Prior to that it was the ARPANET. Also before 1981 an RS-232 serial modem required a telephone line and an acoustic coupler in order to communicate. Both of these inventions postdate the 1980 date of the original project.

Could be Desmond repaired his boat a long time ago and couldn't leave because of the entering the numbers thing. He high-tailed it to his boat as quickly as possible in case something did happen. Even if nothing happened, he most likely won't be coming back, unless the island forces him back somehow. Brotha, Desmond's not going anywhere. The others are gonna catch his butt on the way out, skin and hang him out to dry for locking them out of the hatch/biosphere.

...the bunker would be irrevocably shut down if it was deemed to be abandoned (by not entering the sequence)...

AH! When the numbers AREN'T entered, it would be the conclusion of the experiment, wouldn't it? It would mean that Desmond either just quit, got smart and caught on, or, ahem, died. He most definitely was being monitored, but to what end? And the fate of the world certainly wasn't left in the hands of Desmond and companion with such casual instruction via the orientation video. Therefore, it makes no sense that NOT pressing the button would result in nuclear destruction or the blowing up of the world, folks.

For some reason it annoys me that Jack felt he had to push the button in spite of such a lack of information.
I think the lack of information was on the side of not pushing the button...

~Dan

3. Actually On June 26, 1974, the first product with a bar code was scanned at a check-out counter. (http://www.adams1.com/pub/russadam/history.html)

It was about that time that I was visiting relatives up in the mountains of western PA (Indiana county) and experienced my first bar code scanning (at a supermarket). I remember being amazed that they had this new technology before we did here in NJ.

For some reason it annoys me that Jack felt he had to push the button in spite of such a lack of information.

- Tom
Exactly. And to be doing so in response to Locke's exortion to "take a leap of faith." It seems to me that a leap of faith for Jack would be to act upon his own conviction that nothing would happen if the button were not pushed. Especially since Locke's already proven that entering the right numbers and hitting Execute changes the counter back to 108. Where's the "leap of faith" in that?

Actually, they couldn't, since there was no internet until 1991, Prior to that it was the ARPANET. Also before 1981 an RS-232 serial modem required a telephone line and an acoustic coupler in order to communicate. Both of these inventions postdate the 1980 date of the original project.

Yes. Al Gore invented the Internet, remember?

Yes. Al Gore invented the Internet, remember?
Sheesh. Al Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet. Let it go already...

~Dan

Ok, I don't know why I did this, but I went back and looked, frame by frame, and here are some of the books on the shelf where the Orientation movie was stashed:

...ded Crow by Cam... (couldn't get a clear shot of this one)
Rainbow Six by Tom Clancy
Dirty Work by Stuart Woods
Turtle Moon by Alice Hoffman
High Hand by Gary Phillips
ECG Workout: Exercises in Arrhythmia Interpretation by Jane Huff

and, of course,

The Turn of the Screw by Henry James

I thought the ECG Workout was kind of interesting...

~Dan

October 7, 2005
Rochester, New York

After a great first year and a promising start of the second season it is sad to see that LOST was cancelled. Episode 3 of season two will be remembered as the episode that eventually brought and end to the once popular TV show. Episode 3 went too far in explaining the Island and doomed the show to a predictable story line so common to today’s Hollywood productions. LOST’s demise was predicated by the introduction of the Hatch in season one and the goal to open the hatch. Like all serials that have a goal, the goal is eventually obtained. In this case the goal was to open the Hatch.

The use of a goal in a story line sets the foundation for future events that, as time goes on, become less of a variable. Think of it as entering a delta of a great river and heading upstream. A delta contains a web of channels that can lead to dead ends or allow you to progressively move up stream. Eventually however, as you move upstream you end up in a single channel with no more choices on where to go but further upstream.

Episode three quickly stripped away the delta and forced the viewer into the main channel with no place to go but forward until you meet the headwaters and the river ends.

How do we know that the show is over?

1. We know that there a four other stations, one of which had an accident.
2. We know that one of the stations was a zoology station, hence the polar bears.
3. We know station 3 is the psychology station. The need to enter a code and push the button is a basic experiment to test human endurance. Hurley’s friend Leon from the home learned the code while serving on the island with a partner from Australia. This was revealed in Hurley’s back story when he met the wife of the partner and she stated that her husband was on a listening post on a remote island. That listening post was Station #3. Leon and his partner went quite mad from sleep deprivation and the fear of what may happen if they did not enter the code.
4. Orientation film 3 never states the consequence of not pushing the button. Since film three starts with a background to the project it is a stand-a-lone film, otherwise the background information would be on film one. The other films in the 5 film set are the orientations for the other stations, nothing more.
5. We know that the station that had the accident released a virus that effected the people on the island, making the sick or act strangely. The virus may be gone but it does not matter. It no longer influences the direction of the story.
6. The Others are the survivors of the stations, possibly second generation from the people who started the experiments and set up the island.
7. Desmond has a way off the island, he mentioned he was in a solar race. There will be a story line that has him killed off by the others to prevent him from revealing the existing of the island and possibly spreading whatever he is infected with. His solar plane still exists.
8. The people from the tail section of the plane are the warier tribe. The two tribes are the same as in Lord of the Flies.
9. The set has changed from Hawaii to mostly an indoor set. I would not be surprised to find out it is being filmed in studio 39, the indoor set used by several other shows, most notably the Star Trek series, for filming off-world landscapes. With the change in filming location we are starting to see more scenes filmed at the caves, in the trees near a shore, and in underground tunnels.
10. Moving all shows to an indoor studio also negates the impact of HD. HD is at its best with big scenes and plenty of light. It does add detail to darker scenes but the almost 3D effect is best with a lot of light. Since the show no longer offers the full appeal of HD, viewership will drop off.
11. Even with 40 people plus however may from the tail section the back stories will become limited and tedious. Even Chaucer ran out of stories for the Canterbury Tails, which, incidentally is the what gave the idea of the back stories.
13. We will eventually learn how Jacks wife died and how Locke lost the use of his legs.
14. With so much now known there are very few things that can the spark back in to the show.
15. Next goal, find Walt. It will happen, it has to happen or people will start to complain about how long it is taking. Look to history, in Kung-Fu Grasshopper eventually found his brother. How many of the shows do you remember after the brother was found? I cannot tell you, I barely made it to find the brother before changing to some other show.
16. Goal – Bring the two tribes together. This will happen in a couple of weeks. Of course there will be a leadership conflict. Of course Jack will have to face the girl from row 49. They will throw in some love triangle twist with Kate for this. The row 49 girl eventually dies to preserve the relationship with Kate. What? You think Sawyer and Kate wind up together?
17. Locke has been rendered a useless character. His back story shows that he crashed in burned in a big way, most likely the Anger Management dies in the same accident that Locke looses the use of his legs in. Locke had such promise now he is some fanatic that believes the Island is testing him. What can happen next to him? He is on an Island, he is worshipping a thing, he will find it is a false god. What does he do then say, “what a fool am I?” His story is effectively over.
18. Sied fixed an Apply Computer. He can fix anything. Good for him, he is the Professor.
19. If they really want to get the attention of people off the island why not cut the power cable that Sied found? Then search the perimeter of the island and cut all the other power lines.
20. The Hobbit will have his relapse into drug addiction. The formerly pregnant girl will leave him then come back and save him.
21. Kate? Kate is now window dressing used to further conflict between Jack and Sawyer. She has no other purpose.
22. Likewise the spacey blond girl. She no longer has a purpose.

Unfortunately Hollywood lacks the capacity to be creative all the time and eventually falls back on tired story lines with limited characters. The tracks have been set and LOST is destined to be off the air by the end of season four. Season three will start with new characters but the story line will quickly revert to variant of what we see now. By the end of season three the primary viewership will disappear. Season four will start with a final gasp with even more new characters. By the end of season four most people will not even remember the show exists. They’ll ask, “what ever happened to LOST? I use to like that show.”

It is too bad that the directors and writers could not keep up the multi-character setting and had to tie the entire series into the lives of basically two characters, neither of which are strong.

So it is with heavy heart that I announce the end of LOST. If you do not believe me put this post into your Favorites and re-read it next year. You’ll see, it is destiny.

Glad you have it all figured out, Carl.

Bye, bye, now. Have fun watching Martha Stewart...

~Dan

sorry if this has been covered, but:

how long has desmond been doing this? since his partner died, he's the only one punching in the numbers every 108 minutes. this means he simply cannot get any decent sleep. i don't know much about sleep physiology, but humans don't just take little cat naps; we need extended periods of sleep. at some point, desmond would have had to sleep through the alarm out of sheer exhaustion. at any rate, he should be insane, or a lot more insane (if he's telling the truth)

now we saw him injecting himself with something, but i don't think there's any known thing you can take that can keep you going like desmond has. but this being scifi...

People have been mentioning Locke's "father" as the one with his kidney. I just want to get clarification - this isn't his biological father - it is just a guy who needed a kidney and suckered Locke into thinking he was indeed his father, right?

Wrong ... the guy is his biological father ... he's just a royal S.

Carl, I don't think you're watching the same series I am. In the series I'm watching, the hatch was a mere sub-"goal".

Ok, I don't know why I did this, but I went back and looked, frame by frame, and here are some of the books on the shelf where the Orientation movie was stashed:

...ded Crow by Cam... (couldn't get a clear shot of this one)
Rainbow Six by Tom Clancy
Dirty Work by Stuart Woods
Turtle Moon by Alice Hoffman
High Hand by Gary Phillips
ECG Workout: Exercises in Arrhythmia Interpretation by Jane Huff

and, of course,

The Turn of the Screw by Henry James

I thought the ECG Workout was kind of interesting...

~Dan
You didn't mention some goodies, like the magazine to the left of "ECG WORKOUT" has a binder that says "JUNE 2003 - VOLUME 4" and the book between "Turtle Moon" and "High Hand" is " ____??ue ONLINE"

vegggas

I didn't see this mentioned yet... the orientation film is now online at:

thehansofoundation [.] org / dharma.html

(sorry, not allowed to post URLs yet...)

I didn't see this mentioned yet... the orientation film is now online at:

thehansofoundation [.] org / dharma.html

(sorry, not allowed to post URLs yet...)
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/dharma.html

sorry if this has been covered, but:

how long has desmond been doing this? since his partner died, he's the only one punching in the numbers every 108 minutes. this means he simply cannot get any decent sleep. i don't know much about sleep physiology, but humans don't just take little cat naps; we need extended periods of sleep. at some point, desmond would have had to sleep through the alarm out of sheer exhaustion. at any rate, he should be insane, or a lot more insane (if he's telling the truth)

now we saw him injecting himself with something, but i don't think there's any known thing you can take that can keep you going like desmond has. but this being scifi...

Desmond said he started punching in the numbers 3 years ago.

Now, Locke may just be a bit off, but didn't it seem he thought he knew more about the situation, with the "It wasn't supposed to happen this way?" He still is the only one who saw the "eye of the island" that was "beautiful".

Also, in his previous life, Locke had a meaningless job. Now he gets to save the world every 108 minutes.

In his previous life, Jack was obsessed with saving people. Now he gets to save the world every 108 minutes.

In his previous life, Sayid loved Nadia who is somewhere in the world. Now he gets to save her (and the rest of the world) every 108 minutes.

It was on the inside of the hatch door they blew up, hence the assumption the outside is quarantined. Why is there no such label on the main hatch to get out?

It was on the inside of the hatch door they blew up, hence the assumption the outside is quarantined. Why is there no such label on the main hatch to get out?


Desmond also commented that the wheel (or whatever he called it) sometimes sticks. Doesn't this indicate that he has at least used the wheel to unlock the door, even if he has not used it?

DHARMA.....well, if the producers are really Stephen King fans, then that name comes from Kings' fondness of the band Blue Oyster Cult (Don't Fear The Reaper, their biggest hit is featured in one of his books, cant remember which one)...the lead guitarist is named Buck Dharma.
:D

DHARMA.....well, if the producers are really Stephen King fans, then that name comes from Kings' fondness of the band Blue Oyster Cult (Don't Fear The Reaper, their biggest hit is featured in one of his books, cant remember which one)...the lead guitarist is named Buck Dharma.
:D

Or their favorite TV show is Dharma and Greg.

Two of the students in the Hanso orientation film look very similar to people we've seen before.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6990/thedegroots1jy.jpg

7. Desmond has a way off the island, he mentioned he was in a solar race. There will be a story line that has him killed off by the others to prevent him from revealing the existing of the island and possibly spreading whatever he is infected with. His solar plane still exists.

It was a "SOLO" race around the world and he said his boat crashed on a reef.

Sorry if mentioned already,

But it does seem odd that the project engineers didn't code a script to automate this required sequence input every 108 minutes. If that was something they could have done with that vintage computer, the fact that they designed the system to require human interaction instead, must have some significance.

Yes, and it's called a dead man's switch. If the operator(s) are dead, the numbers aren't entered, and the self-destruct (or whatever) happens. Trains have them too, so if the engineer dies the train shuts off.

You didn't mention some goodies, like the magazine to the left of "ECG WORKOUT" has a binder that says "JUNE 2003 - VOLUME 4" and the book between "Turtle Moon" and "High Hand" is " ____??ue ONLINE"


I know, but I couldn't read any titles off them. (And I'd already spent a good hour going frame by frame and searching for partial titles/authors on Amazon.com!)

Oohhhh...I have too much time on my hands... :D

~Dan

(Don't Fear The Reaper, their biggest hit is featured in one of his books, cant remember which one)
The mini-series version of The Stand, at the beginning where the Superflu was just getting released and everybody was dead... (So, I hope this is just a coincidence, and doesn't have anything to do with Lost... :eek: )

~Dan

Yes, and it's called a dead man's switch. If the operator(s) are dead, the numbers aren't entered, and the self-destruct (or whatever) happens. Trains have them too, so if the engineer dies the train shuts off.
On modern locomotives, this is now called an "alerter," which starts beeping every 3 to 5 minutes (unless throttle or brake have been recently adjusted) and has to be reset or your train is brought to a stop. It's specifically designed to keep you awake...no injections of elixer 4-8151623-42 are allowed...

~Dan

Ok, I don't know why I did this, but I went back and looked, frame by frame, and here are some of the books on the shelf where the Orientation movie was stashed:

...ded Crow by Cam... (couldn't get a clear shot of this one)
Rainbow Six by Tom Clancy
Dirty Work by Stuart Woods
Turtle Moon by Alice Hoffman
High Hand by Gary Phillips
ECG Workout: Exercises in Arrhythmia Interpretation by Jane Huff

and, of course,

The Turn of the Screw by Henry James

I thought the ECG Workout was kind of interesting...

~Dan


Did you catch the book that presumabely Desmond had been reading? It was lying in what looked like a bed. It was called The Third Policeman. I looked it up on Amazon. Given the rather strange description, it fits rather well in this series.

-Tony

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/dharma.html

Is it me, or is the film slightly different than the one shown on TV?

There are some strange closeups of Dr. Candle (spelling?), where you only see his eyes and nose and not his mouth. I don't recall this in the TV version.

-Tony

Two of the students in the Hanso orientation film look very similar to people we've seen before.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6990/thedegroots1jy.jpg

Very close resemblance.

Maybe the "Others" were the original scientists gone wacky.

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/dharma.html I can't wait for someone to deconstuct the film. It sure looks like subliminal images or at least additional information is inserted in the film.

Ok, I don't know why I did this, but I went back and looked, frame by frame, and here are some of the books on the shelf where the Orientation movie was stashed:

...ded Crow by Cam... (couldn't get a clear shot of this one)
Rainbow Six by Tom Clancy
Dirty Work by Stuart Woods
Turtle Moon by Alice Hoffman
High Hand by Gary Phillips
ECG Workout: Exercises in Arrhythmia Interpretation by Jane Huff

and, of course,

The Turn of the Screw by Henry James
~Dan
Some of these books seem like scene breakers. Some have been published in last two years, so how did they get on the shelf?

Ed

Great episode.

1) Still want to know what the meds are that Desmond grabbed and took with him before he fled.
2) Fixing an Apple II that's been shot? A little bit of a stretch to buy.
3) The "Monster" Magnetically controlled?
4) Hurley. Going to love the warehouse of food.
5) JIN SPEAKS ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did I see the preview correctly?
6) If station 3 is the "Swan" then we know that the sharks from Ep 2 must come from a different "station" since their logo didn't have a Swan but a straight line in the logo.

So it is with heavy heart that I announce the end of LOST. If you do not believe me put this post into your Favorites and re-read it next year. You’ll see, it is destiny.
Sorry the show has not yet jumped the shark. Remember -- they shot the shark in Adrift.

No offense Carl but do you actually watch the show or read any of these posts? There were so many factual errors in your post to make it almost laughable. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if you have such a low view of the show then stop watching it and posting here. Thanks for your time. Bye

Unbelievable

Paul

this website was registered just this JULY 2005, by ABC of Burbank, CA.

No mystic magic there.

Interesting, but I wouldn't have pushed the button. Also we now have confirmation that Jack isn't married anymore I guess. I really thought he was going to shoot Desmond. Kind of amusing how the whole Desmond thing went down, and MAN did Sawyer get taken. Sucker. Not sure why the hell they are so angry in the tail section. I know it's coming, but I'm already dreading the endless backstory of the tail section people.


yeah, I remember something, like a crash or a beating. Someone must know for sure.

Don't have last season, but didn't the last Locke flashback last year end with the appearance that he kinda went crazy in the VW and the scenes implied a crash of some sort???

Maybe running Daddy down??? Crash.... Hurt legs????

the group Locke and Helen were in appeared to be anger management, but maybe Locke and another bout and crashed into either his dad, or worse, Helen ? Maybe that's why Locke is calling the girl on the 900# Helen

Sorry the show has not yet jumped the shark. Remember -- they shot the shark in Adrift.

They shot that one, but I'm sure that it wasn't the only shark circling the island with a tattoo on it's tail. :rolleyes:

Someone go tell Fonzie to grab his leather jacket and water skis. Warm up the boat and chum the water, the show has or is about to jump the shark, it's all downhill from here folks.

I once was in an AT&T management training workshop where, at the beginning, we were given an envelop and told "not to open it". We then had a series of management decision exercises to do. The only way to complete the final task was to have information we didn't have (which was contained in the envelop).

Nobody in the group suggested opening the envelop to see what was in it because some "authority figure" (the facilitator) said not to. The point of the exercise was to see how far we would go to solve a problem, up to and including violating a "rule"---"Don't open the envelop".


I've DONE that class!!
And I gotta say, i opened the envelope. :-)

I also took that class, with Pacific Bell, and I also opened the envelope.

Did you catch the book that presumabely Desmond had been reading? It was lying in what looked like a bed. It was called The Third Policeman. I looked it up on Amazon. Given the rather strange description, it fits rather well in this series.

Yeah, but I didn't list it, since we discusses it earlier (back a few pages). I agree, it's oddly Lost-like.

My copy should be arriving from amazon.com early next week... :D

~Dan

Wrong ... the guy is his biological father ... he's just a royal S.


how do we know this? Do we really know that he is his father. All we know, is that their blood type/kidneys match. Locke could simply be the "universal donor" or sorts, I think that is 0? Maybe the mother simply sold him out to a guy who gave her a lot of money.

In last nights episode, the FATHER simply said, "you needed a father figure", not that he was his father.

I think in a future episode, we will find that this guy kills Locke's current girlfriend, since he CERTAINLY wouldn't kill John. L, what with him having a second kidney to give still! :-)

How many of you think we are going to see Hurley in a food coma in episode 4, and going crazy in episode 5, when all the people start to come to bunker and find all the FOOD he has found! :-)

I think in a future episode, we will find that this guy kills Locke's current girlfriend, since he CERTAINLY wouldn't kill John. L, what with him having a second kidney to give still! :-)


I like the idea propounded earlier in this thread that Locke's "father" paid Peg Bundy to befriend/seduce Locke. Maybe the realization that she deceived him *too* will be too much and he will psychologically paralyze him.

http://www.bigspaceship1.com/

Check out this link. The reverse DNS IP for http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ resolves to this domain name.

Check out the moris code in the title. Anyone care to translate?

Very close resemblance.

Maybe the "Others" were the original scientists gone wacky.

I can't believe more people aren't talking about this... They ARE the same people, they have to be. There's no way there'd be a coincidence that great, and that important, for the writers to just throw it in there for no reason. So the original students on this project are still on the island, and they've captured Walt specifically for some reason. What could that be?

This is a huge breakthrough, that the two people who started this whole thing 20-some years ago are still there, they never left, and they want Walt. Now of Walt's "powers" to make things happen just by basically thinking about them, which station would be studying things like that?

did anyone notice Rose in the storage room in the upcoming attractions for next week ?

Does anyone think that, on Jack's shift to enter the #'s, he will just give up and decide not to hit the execute key in time, to find out what actually happens ?

My take on the Hanso project on the island:

The Hanso Life-Extension Project

The Hanso Foundation Electromagnetic Research Initiative: explains how the compasses and GPS on planes boats and compasses themselves are being thrown off, making them point to the island

The Hanso Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence: the ghosts/wind going around the island

The Hanso Mathematical Forecasting Initiative: 4+8+15+16+23+42=108

The Hanso Cryogenics Development Imperative: the need to steal the body of Jack's dad out of the coffin ?

The Hanso Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute: what caused Ethan to get so strong ?

The Hanso Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility: all the mirrors possibly cameras in the lab

So someone on another forum I frequent (a golf forum mind you) tried to find a secure version of thehansofoundation.org and came up with one. It just has a text message "bigspaceship1.com" There is a dharmaindustries.com site as well.

- edited to remove ridiculous morse code translation that I was an idiot for believing. :rolleyes:

How many times can someone type in the same numbers without making a mistake? Especially in Desmond's state?

(Perhaps the whole experiment is to discover just that - somewhere there is a psycologist major getting more and more pissed because he can't complete his thesis until Desmond screws it up).

did anyone notice Rose in the storage room in the upcoming attractions for next week ?


I noticed that, and I also noticed Jin speaking English!

I can't believe more people aren't talking about this... They ARE the same people, they have to be. There's no way there'd be a coincidence that great, and that important, for the writers to just throw it in there for no reason. So the original students on this project are still on the island, and they've captured Walt specifically for some reason. What could that be?

This is a huge breakthrough, that the two people who started this whole thing 20-some years ago are still there, they never left, and they want Walt. Now of Walt's "powers" to make things happen just by basically thinking about them, which station would be studying things like that?

It's possible, but really - how many psych scientists do you see running around with firebombs and blowing up rafts?

They seemed a wee bit violent for scientists.

Possibility: they were just actors in the orientation film scam.

http://www.bigspaceship1.com/

Check out this link. The reverse DNS IP for http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ resolves to this domain name.

Check out the moris code in the title. Anyone care to translate?

Translation:
THE HAND ACTS ALONE

vegggas

http://www.bigspaceship1.com/

Check out this link. The reverse DNS IP for http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ resolves to this domain name.

Check out the moris code in the title. Anyone care to translate?



THE HAND ACTS ALONE


edit: beaten.

So someone on another forum I frequent (a golf forum mind you) tried to find a secure version of thehansofoundation.org and came up with one. It just has a text message "bigspaceship1.com" That url is a page is titled with morse code that supposedly translates to "HELP ME, OBI-WAN KENOBI YOU'RE MY ONLY HOPE" There is a dharmaindustries.com site as well.

Those don't appear to be domain names owned by ABC Television like the original one is. Most likely they are fan sites of some sort, and shouldn't be taken as part of the show.

Both were created much more recently - one just in the last 24 hrs.

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Some of these books seem like scene breakers. Some have been published in last two years, so how did they get on the shelf?
I looked, but didn't notice anything that wasn't available before 2001 or so...notice most were hardbound editions, not later-released paperbacks.

Also, Desmond managed to rescue, off his boat that broke up on the reef, the photograph of he and his girl...it's possible that he had this and some books in a waterproof duffle bag that he managed to drag to shore with him.

And, judging by the supplies, full "medicine" chest, and washer/dryer, it looks like some form of resupply has had to occurred, probably just before Desmond arrived and while Kelvin still had a partner (Ethan?)

If there was newer stuff there, then the underground cavern in The Third Policeman may offer significant clues...

~Dan

(Edited for sentence structure... :) )

this website was registered just this JULY 2005, by ABC of Burbank, CA.

No mystic magic there.
No, but the fact that the Orientation video is on the site today, but wasn't yesterday, means that the producers are messing with our heads in real time!

I love it that Lost is becoming more of a multi-dimensional experience (or another DHARMA experiment) than just a passive TV show...

~Dan

Something else to consider:

How did Kelvin know Desmond had arrived on the island?

If he was by himself, how did he have time to be walking around the island looking for people all day?

Or alternately was he in on the experiment, and already knew that they were going to cause Desmond to wreck and arrive on the island?

The Hanso Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility: all the mirrors possibly cameras in the lab
"Remote Viewing" is a branch of parapsychology/psychic/telepathy study, not optics...

~Dan

Actually, they couldn't, since there was no internet until 1991, Prior to that it was the ARPANET. Also before 1981 an RS-232 serial modem required a telephone line and an acoustic coupler in order to communicate. Both of these inventions postdate the 1980 date of the original project.

Original poster said vintage computers didn't have communication capabilities.

I was pointing out the multitude of communication possibilities. Correct about ARPANET, but that's still a 'net. I said that modems were available, and they were. I didn't say they were USING a modem...In any event, there's nothing that says it has to have an outside connection. Who's to say it's not simply controlling the other (larger) computers in the room? Or, something somewhere else on the island? Serial cable would take care of that. Bottom line is: the computer shown is more than capable of controlling another device, as we're lead to believe it's doing...Whether or not it actually IS, or it's just an elaborate experiment, is up to the writers...

Something else to consider:

How did Kelvin know Desmond had arrived on the island?

If he was by himself, how did he have time to be walking around the island looking for people all day?

Or alternately was he in on the experiment, and already knew that they were going to cause Desmond to wreck and arrive on the island?Yes, and how did he happen to find or get into the bunker when Locke had been messing around there for weeks without finding anything more than the hatch cover that had to be blown up to get into?

The MUST'VE targeted Desmond specifically for participation. Interesting that they didn't seem to have a similar purpose for any of the 815 mid-section survivors...

Translation:
THE HAND ACTS ALONE

vegggas

An Adams Family reference? ;)

Thank you, Thing....

The mini-series version of The Stand, at the beginning where the Superflu was just getting released and everybody was dead... (So, I hope this is just a coincidence, and doesn't have anything to do with Lost... :eek: )


I don't think the plot has anything to do with Lost per se, but one of the two creators (either JJ or Damon Lindelof) has publically professed his love of this book.

(The miniseries really wasn't bad, either.)

9. The set has changed from Hawaii to mostly an indoor set. I would not be surprised to find out it is being filmed in studio 39, the indoor set used by several other shows, most notably the Star Trek series, for filming off-world landscapes. With the change in filming location we are starting to see more scenes filmed at the caves, in the trees near a shore, and in underground tunnels.

This post was full of inaccuracies, but let me debunk at least this one -- Lost is still filming in Hawaii and mostly on location, as documented in approximately, oh, a thousand or so magazine and newspaper articles published in the past couple of months. The production has not moved to Los Angeles.

(As to why anyone would think a Touchstone/Bad Robot production would be filmed over at the Paramount lot where the Star Trek stages (not "studios") are located, I have no idea. Disney has perfectly nice stages of its own.)

Recall as well, that the film warned them not to use the computer for anything else.


No Oregon Trail for you, Desmond!

Exactly. And to be doing so in response to Locke's exortion to "take a leap of faith." It seems to me that a leap of faith for Jack would be to act upon his own conviction that nothing would happen if the button were not pushed. Especially since Locke's already proven that entering the right numbers and hitting Execute changes the counter back to 108. Where's the "leap of faith" in that?

No :) Jack is the man of science. He firmly believes that absolutely nothing will happen if the button isn't pressed. He repeats this several times. It's his encounter with Desmond, and the reminder of what happened with Sarah, that leads Jack to accept that there might be more going on than it seems. For him, the "leap of faith" is accepting this and pushing the button. Refusing to push the button was his initial instinct based on logic and science.

that's what I think too. Everytime she is mentioned, he gets all teary-eyed.

maybe he's divorced, & he's thinking about all the alimony he's paying her.

For him, the "leap of faith" is accepting this and pushing the button. Refusing to push the button was his initial instinct based on logic and science.

Of course if he (Jack) really believes that the button has no purpose, then there is nothing at stake in pushing the button (or not pushing the button) - the outcome will be the same either way :) It's a completely rational decision.

Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I'm not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool; you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

Couldn't help myself.

I agree - the "Man of Science" response should be that it can't hurt to press the button - "let's not do anything radical or out of the norm until we get more facts or info"

I think Jack's knee-jerk reaction as "man of science" is that it's utterly *absurd* that not resetting the clock would end the world. Yes, a logical fallback is to maintain status quo, but doing so accepts the premise that there might be something to it in the first place. So it really is a leap of faith for Jack to even go that far.

No :) Jack is the man of science. He firmly believes that absolutely nothing will happen if the button isn't pressed.
Why would a "man of science" have a problem accepting that pressing a button can result in some sort of action? The guy is a doctor and presses buttons all the time on medical machinery.

Even if he doubts that pressing the button will save the world, it is obviously a dead man's switch and could easily trigger a self destruction of the bunker. The bunker is there and Jack has been inside - it is not clear why Jack feels that the machinery is totally inert. Why not just press the button for a few cycles until you find out for sure?

Okay :) Just trying to explain why Jack's reaction made sense to me. If it doesn't to you, that's fine too.

Jack had also just seen the film referencing BF Skinner. I'm sure he had at least a basic psych course in college and was aware of the nature of Skinner's conditioning experiments -- which also probably led him to the conclusion that nothing at all would happen, and it was all an experiment. And I think he'd had enough of Locke's "destiny" stuff and wanted to prove him completely wrong... until his encounter with Desmond forced him to reconsider and take the leap of faith.

maybe he's divorced, & he's thinking about all the alimony he's paying her.Or maybe she disappeared (abducted?) and we're getting a foundation for the emotion that will be felt when they are reunited on the island. That would be quite a plot treat!

Yes, and how did he happen to find or get into the bunker when Locke had been messing around there for weeks without finding anything more than the hatch cover that had to be blown up to get into?

The MUST'VE targeted Desmond specifically for participation. Interesting that they didn't seem to have a similar purpose for any of the 815 mid-section survivors...

I'd have to rewatch the episode to be sure, but I thought Desmond told Jack that Kelvin almost immediately "found him, and brought him into the bunker/station".

Again, implying Kelvin either knew he was coming, or had some way to surveil the island.

You really need a DVR that can timeshift. With one of those, you just start watching Lost 15-20 minutes after it starts and click right over every commercial. This is definitely one show where commercial breaks mess up the experience.

Thank you, at least someone else noticed the high number of commercials.

My goal was to watch it in HD but, unfortunately i cannot afford an HD DVR. HD is a big selling point of the show. I do have a Tivo but then I'm limited to non-HD.

So the choice is HD in real time a suffer with the commercials or Watch on Tivo on the little screen.

Starting Lost 15-20 minutes late so I can skip the commercials is a good indication of the number of commercials.

"Remote Viewing" is a branch of parapsychology/psychic/telepathy study, not optics...

~Dan
Correct. Anyone who wants to see what it's about and be entertained at the same time might want to watch Suspect Zero that I mentioned earlier. Remote viewing in Lost could be being used in the way Walt appeared to Shannon and Jack's father appeared to Jack. There are probably other instances that I don't recall, and the way it's being shown is not the textbook method, it's more a graphic way of showing what's happening. Sort of from the point of view of the one being viewed instead of the viewers point of view. (sounds confusing, but read it a couple of times and it makes sense.. :D )

I'm also starting to lean towards the execute button pressing as an experiment in human behavior and that nothing will happen if it isn't pressed. I would still investigate more before neglecting to press the button though.

Also, you have to wonder about the timing since the computer was without power for what, an hour or so, that the linkage between what is supposed to "happen" and when it would really "happen" would be off, it would be hard to imagine that the computer had a way of resetting it's clock to the current time.

http://www.bigspaceship1.com/

Check out this link. The reverse DNS IP for http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ resolves to this domain name.

Check out the moris code in the title. Anyone care to translate?

I've seen that optical illusion numerous times and it still makes me believe those discs are moving. But they aren't. That's one of the best ones I've ever seen.

http://www.bigspaceship1.com/

Check out this link. The reverse DNS IP for http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ resolves to this domain name.

Check out the moris code in the title. Anyone care to translate?

My header has MORSE code which reads "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi Yo..." (ran out of space on my browser bar).

Does it read differently for others??

Glad you have it all figured out, Carl.

Bye, bye, now. Have fun watching Martha Stewart...

~Dan


Dan:

I think you missed the point. The whole dialog is a comment about the entertainment industry in general. I'm sure you have noticed it.

When was the last time you actually saw a show or a movie where you came away thinking, "now that is a new concept." Unfortuantely the production industry has a formula in mind when they create a show and as time goes on the formula takes over and it becomes the same as just about everything else.

Lost started with a great pretence, not original mind you but a good concept. The directors and writters though have already gone stale. You can see it while watching. You cannot seriously tell me you don't already know the basics of what will happen next. Sure they can up in some plots twists but underneither you know what is going to happen.

The challage they have now is to change the formula so you trully do not know what is going to happen. That is the only way to keep the show unique. It not, then my prediction for three years form now will be very true.

Starting Lost 15-20 minutes late so I can skip the commercials is a good indication of the number of commercials.
Isn't 42 minutes the standard run time of hour long network dramas or is that just for ones shown in syndication?

That's pretty standard.

This post was full of inaccuracies, but let me debunk at least this one -- Lost is still filming in Hawaii and mostly on location, as documented in approximately, oh, a thousand or so magazine and newspaper articles published in the past couple of months. The production has not moved to Los Angeles.

(As to why anyone would think a Touchstone/Bad Robot production would be filmed over at the Paramount lot where the Star Trek stages (not "studios") are located, I have no idea. Disney has perfectly nice stages of its own.)


The basic concept is that the show is moving indoors. This has been also talked about in the rags you mentioned. It has the potential of becoming yet another show with people running down dark corridores.

To keep the impact of HD it needs to be moved back into the open. Not for part of the story but the whole thing.

The rags have even said that due to environmental concerns for the on site location and production costs that the producers are considering moving the location to another set.

Also, you have to wonder about the timing since the computer was without power for what, an hour or so, that the linkage between what is supposed to "happen" and when it would really "happen" would be off, it would be hard to imagine that the computer had a way of resetting it's clock to the current time.

The computer isn't the clock. The clock is separate. The computer just controlls whatever happens once the button is pressed. The countdown clock could have battery backup, or could be run off the backup power in case of power outtage.

I'd have definitely hit the button - at least until I had a chance to thoroughly investigate the bunker and any official materials present. Even if you don't believe you are "saving the world" it wouldn't be too hard to accept the possibility that the bunker would be irrevocably shut down if it was deemed to be abandoned (by not entering the sequence). This is the only hope of contacting the outside world at this point - why take a chance.

Conversely, not hitting the button might trigger an alarm sequence that notifies the outside world that there is a problem on the island and help should be sent. What if, by continuing to enter the sequence on schedule, Desmond has been sending a confirmation message back to Dharma headquarters that, "Everything's fine here. Don't bother to stop by"? How would that be for irony?

The basic concept is that the show is moving indoors. This has been also talked about in the rags you mentioned. It has the potential of becoming yet another show with people running down dark corridores.

To keep the impact of HD it needs to be moved back into the open. Not for part of the story but the whole thing.

The rags have even said that due to environmental concerns for the on site location and production costs that the producers are considering moving the location to another set.

What are the other shows with people running down dark corridors? "Yet another" leads one to believe there's a glut of dark corridor/running shows around.

And I disagree with needing to move outdoors to "keep the impact of HD." For one thing, the indoor scenes look GREAT in HD on my set. Second, the idea of choosing sets (indoor vs. outdoor) for a show, just because some viewers like to see green and blue on their HDTV's is just silly.

So it is with heavy heart that I announce the end of LOST. If you do not believe me put this post into your Favorites and re-read it next year. You’ll see, it is destiny.

No offense, Carl, but you went to an awful lot of trouble to write a big stinking load of garbage. Are you pulling our legs here, or what?

Isn't 42 minutes the standard run time of hour long network dramas or is that just for ones shown in syndication?

I think what's annoying folks without DVRs is that the show is 5 acts, not the usual 4. So there's an extra commercial break. But the total commercial time is similar to other shows.

Get a DVR folks...

...The challage they have now is to change the formula so you trully do not know what is going to happen. That is the only way to keep the show unique. It not, then my prediction for three years form now will be very true.I'm not so sure they have to change any "formula" if they've managed to draw in so many viewers. Reading the comments of one of the writers linked to earlier in this thread, it's apparent that they're only looking out a few more seasons anyway before all the "secrets" of the island are revealed. It seems that there's still a lot of room for the story to line diverge from it's present path if they want to stretch it out longer.

The basic concept is that the show is moving indoors. This has been also talked about in the rags you mentioned. It has the potential of becoming yet another show with people running down dark corridores.

To keep the impact of HD it needs to be moved back into the open. Not for part of the story but the whole thing.

The rags have even said that due to environmental concerns for the on site location and production costs that the producers are considering moving the location to another set.

I think that for the most part, the exact opposite is true. Lost, unlike most shows, is not sticking to a single simple formula, but is evolving from week to week. I see that as a good sign, not a bad one.

Since only a tiny percentage of viewers have HD, I doubt that has much to do with anything in their planning. What is involved is viewer ship, which remains high and generally in the top 5 for each week.

Lost started as a simple stranded survivors story. It now has a number of other parts, including related back stories, on island weirdness, misc bad guys, and hints at any number of other things. Where it will go seems somewhat open at present. It does seem like a somewhat darker set of plot lines is coming in the near future.

I’m not sure how far in the future they film, but I don’t think it is a whole season at a time. I’m guessing is some number of episodes, and perhaps future ones are influenced by viewer feedback.

Ed

Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I'm not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool; you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
Couldn't help myself.

We need a ROFLMAO smilie!!!!

~Dan

Also, you have to wonder about the timing since the computer was without power for what, an hour or so, that the linkage between what is supposed to "happen" and when it would really "happen" would be off, it would be hard to imagine that the computer had a way of resetting it's clock to the current time.
But the clock kept counting down while the power was out, so presumably, the "destruct" system is on backup power.

I suspect the equipment with Das Blinkenlights, hooked to the two 9-track tape drives, is the minicomputer running things, and the Apple II only functions as a dumb terminal (which would also explain the latency between keypresses and their appearance on the screen)...

OTOH, Occam's Razor might prevail, and the answer be even simpler than we realize... :)

~Dan

OTOH, Occam's Razor might prevail, and the answer be even simpler than we realize... :)

~Dan


Applying Occam's Razor would cut this thread off at its knees.

From the way Jack was looking at it I first thought it might have been his wife/ex-wife..but it didn't seem to respond adversely to it, but it obviously means something.

I'm way behind, but I believe it's Jack's wife/ex-wife/dead wife and I think it was winding him up. There was so much emotional undercurrent that I couldn't explain, I thought he might need a testosterone shot to bring his estrogen levels down.

Applying Occam's Razor would cut this thread off at its knees.
That's why I'm not quite ready to give up...

Simplicity, be damned! :D

~Dan

From the way Jack was looking at it I first thought it might have been his wife/ex-wife..but it didn't seem to respond adversely to it, but it obviously means something.
I'm way behind, but I believe it's Jack's wife/ex-wife/dead wife and I think it was winding him up. There was so much emotional undercurrent that I couldn't explain, I thought he might need a testosterone shot to bring his estrogen levels down.
The girl in the picture with Desmond was not Sarah...

But, I think you're right to the basic point. I think meeting Desmond on the island, along with Locke's barb, "...that would be impossible," is really challenging his neat, logical, scientific world-view. He'll probably completely lose it when he finds out Locke was paralyzed, but miraculously recovered—same as Sarah... :eek:

~Dan

He'll probably completely lose it when he finds out Locke was paralyzed, but miraculously recovered—same as Sarah... :eek:

Didn't Locke already reveal that to him in S1? Or was that to someone else?

We need a ROFLMAO smilie!!!!

~Dan
http://www.emotipad.com/newemoticons/ROTFLMAO.gif

http://www.emotipad.com/newemoticons/ROTFLMAO.gif

Sweet!

~Dan

Didn't Locke already reveal that to him in S1? Or was that to someone else?
It was to Walt that Locke told his "secret"... ;)

~Dan

Didn't Locke already reveal that to him in S1? Or was that to someone else?

That was Boone. Boone seems to be dead. Maybe he will hesitate to tell anyone else?

edit: .... or maybe it was Walt. Walt might be dead. Maybe he will hesitate to tell anyone else?

Deleted by moderator due to spoilers.

I agree - the "Man of Science" response should be that it can't hurt to press the button - "let's not do anything radical or out of the norm until we get more facts or info"
Right. The Man of Science would say, "OK, that button has been pushed every 108 min. or so for the last few years and everything's been maintained, or, at least the clock is reset and nothing disastrous happens." That's been proven. He may logically and reasonably believe that not pushing the button will have no effect, but, since so far it hasn't been tried, there is no definitive proof of that. So to act upon his conviction and not push the button is the leap of faith, since faith is to act on one's beliefs where there is no proof.

That's my interpretation and I'm sticking with it. :p

October 7, 2005
Rochester, New York
The use of a goal in a story line sets the foundation for future events that, as time goes on, become less of a variable. Episode three quickly stripped away the delta and forced the viewer into the main channel with no place to go but forward until you meet the headwaters and the river ends.
How long do you want the show to go on, anyway? It is a serial psycho/mystery, it puts forth both clues and misdirections, in a very sucessful attempt to seduce us. It ain't the Dick Van Dyke show (no disrespect intended towards a television icon), It is supposed to eventually answer the questions it makes us ask. As time goes on. You have unfortunately missed the whole point of the production.


So it is with heavy heart that I announce the end of LOST. If you do not believe me put this post into your Favorites and re-read it next year. You’ll see, it is destiny.
Anyone else see the irony of someone bemoaning predictability, while proudly making two year deep predictions of his own???

not sure if this is off topic or not but the previously mentioned website, http://www.bigspaceship1.com/
which is supposed to have the reverse DNS Ip address to the
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/
also mentioned earlier, has had a strange change for me after listening to it 3 times the song changed to a very weird message from Peter Cotton Tail! Yes thats right. Then it counts off some sort of code at the end. Which is a series of approx. 87 numbers then repeats. ALl of the numbers are below 26 so I'll assume they represent letters of the alphabet, but I cant figure it out.

Then it counts off some sort of code at the end. Which is a series of approx. 87 numbers then repeats.
If we're all going to be losers and try to decode, we should make sure we're working on the same numbers. This is what I found (86, not 87, but I could have missed one). I tried all combinations of letters in order (A=1, A=2, etc.) but couldn't find anything that made sense in a linear manner. I did not listen to the message - that was a lot harder for me to hear than the numbers so there may be more clues there.

Or is this something for the spoilers thread? Also, has anyone solved Marvin Candle for an anagram?

Oh man, I'm trying to keep up with thread but I just don't have that much time. I've been with this thread since day 1, but I gotta drop out. Enjoy the show guys.

mx6bfast, I know what you mean - I've been printing them out and reading the hard copies when I get a chance - sorry if you've gotta leave after all this time though!

Dominic Monaghan on The Tonight Show tonight.

So to act upon his conviction and not push the button is the leap of faith, since faith is to act on one's beliefs where there is no proof.
Jack is obviously a little unhinged at Desmond being there; I'm not sure he's able to be that logical right now...

I think Jack's leap of faith is not whether to push the button or not push the button; it's to let go, admit you're not in control of the situation, and trust...Locke...

~Dan

Dominic Monaghan on The Tonight Show tonight.
TiVo set...thanks for the head's up!

~Dan

My header has MORSE code which reads "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi Yo..." (ran out of space on my browser bar).

Does it read differently for others??

The title I saw upon visiting the page just now was

.... . .-.. .--. / -- . --..-- / --- -... .. -....- .-- .- -. / -.- . -. --- -... .. / -.-- --- ..- .----. .-. . / -- -.-- / --- -. .-.. -.-- / .... --- .--. .

which translates as:

Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi you're my only hope


Wonder what it will say tomorrow?

This is what appears in the title bar for me, right now
<title>- --- / - .... . / .-.. .- -. -.. / --- ..-. / - .... . / .-.. --- ... - </title>
and was copied from the source HTML.

Translated to:
TO THE LAND OF THE LOST

Different from this morning

Things seem to point toward a movie in the making somewhere in Austrailia... Hope it's not a lame publicity stunt, or worse a season finale shown only at theaters. I bet that's where it's headed though...

v

Yikes, what a pessimist. Wouldn't be productive for their sponsors.

Interesting site http://www.bigspaceship1.com/ the illusion of movement and at least for me, when I take off my reading glasses, it becomes black and white.

Interesting site http://www.bigspaceship1.com/ the illusion of movement and at least for me, when I take off my reading glasses, it becomes black and white.

When I take mine off it stops moving (the illusion of movement).

Things seem to point toward a movie in the making somewhere in Austrailia... Hope it's not a lame publicity stunt, or worse a season finale shown only at theaters. I bet that's where it's headed though.

I think there is little chance of that. This is TV, and TV is about viewer ship. Anything they can do that inspires interest usually inspires more viewers, which translates into more $. With 18 minutes of commercials per hour, I don't think they are going to send viewers out to movie theaters.

Ed

With 18 minutes of commercials per hour, I don't think they are going to send viewers out to movie theaters.
Umm...X-Files did...

~Dan

...I think Jack's leap of faith is not whether to push the button or not push the button; it's to let go, admit you're not in control of the situation, and trust...Locke...

OK, I'll buy that.

Umm...X-Files did...

~Dan

But it had nothing to do with the current series or end of season. It was separate, and was not ABC. It was also after the series had experienced many successful seasons on TV. This is S2 for Lost.

Ed

Peter Cottontail is gone now...

New header bar...
<title>... --- / .-.. --- -. --. / --..-- / / .- -. -.. / - .... .- -. -.- ... / ..-. --- .-. / .- .-.. .-.. / - .... . / ..-. .. ... ....</title>

new Translation:
SO LONG , AND THANKS FOR ALL THE FISH

Someone's having fun with us... I'm out..
I like Douglas Adams work better anyway.

vegggas

Peter Cottontail is gone now...

And,,,,,,,,,,,,he's back.

Anybody care to transcribe?

Just when I thought http://www.bigspaceship1.com/ didn't have anything to do with 'LOST', now it's playing 'Make Your Own Kind Of Music'. WTF?!

and if look at the source code of the page, the name of the embeded flash movie is lostz.swf

Just when I thought http://www.bigspaceship1.com/ didn't have anything to do with 'LOST', now it's playing 'Make Your Own Kind Of Music'. WTF?!

Sound like the Chipmunks singing it to anyone else?

yes alvin simon and theodore

also while snooping around http://www.dharmaindustries.com/ i see that it shares the same content as http://www.kraftkost.se/ and looking at the page source code i see these interesting html elements:
<META NAME="description" CONTENT="Dharma Industries, one time supply!">
<META name="keywords" content="dharma industries,dharma,DI 9fftr731,di9fftr731">

Sound like the Chipmunks singing it to anyone else?

Have you actually listened to what the "chipmunk" voice is saying?

It's very weird. At the end it devolves into repeating numbers.

-Tony

ok it changed again....
peter cotton tail
a different embeded flash movie named lost.swf

Have you actually listened to what the "chipmunk" voice is saying?

It's very weird. At the end it devolves into repeating numbers.

-Tony

It's something like...

"Attenting all rodents, attention all rodents, prepare to copy the secret message"

-Tony

P.S.

I'm not making this up!

I recorded the music/voice and then slowed the speed down to make it a bit more understandable.

And,,,,,,,,,,,,he's back.

And now the Morse title says "One Pill Makes You Larger and One Pill Maes You Small"

Somebody has entirely too much time on their hands...

err mine says "CONTACT DEAR LEADER : 1-800-622-6381" ... im calling
no answer.. scratch that.. an aswering machine, but didnt remember the message

And now the Morse title says "One Pill Makes You Larger and One Pill Maes You Small"

Somebody has entirely too much time on their hands...

Agreed, but it is fun though

Huge number sequence, this isn't entirely accurate but...

12 2 7 12 18 18 14 1 8 4 18 12 6 14 14 5 20 1 12 18 5 8 21 4 2 2 7 8 8 22 14 20 12 9 19 19 5 8 18 14 8 12 4 12 ...it goes well beyond this.

Is this one of those number stations on shortwave?

-Tony

They are just messing with us now.

i'm sorry if this has been posted... I just can't keep up with the thread

We're down to 42 survivors from flight 815(jack's group..at least this is what sawyer said when they threw him in the pit, didn't he?)

Promos for next week show michael talking to a woman who says "there are 23 of us"..

okay..23 in one group, 42 in another....

Are we supposed to believe there are groups of people corresponding to the numbers?

I'm guessing our miner walt kidnapper faction is one other group, and Desmond belongs to another group?

Could be.

If AAA is from the Nigerian plane, that would be a group of 1 though.

If someone gets the drop on Sawyer one more time, I'll scream. Appearently not the bad-mofo he makes out to be, so please keep all firearms away from him!

I would think that Anna and AAA are the Jack and Locke (respectively) of the new group.

If someone gets the drop on Sawyer one more time, I'll scream. Appearently not the bad-mofo he makes out to be, so please keep all firearms away from him!

Anyone else think Sawyer bears a resemblence to Don Johnson?

We're down to 42 survivors from flight 815(jack's group..at least this is what sawyer said when they threw him in the pit, didn't he?)

Promos for next week show michael talking to a woman who says "there are 23 of us"..

okay..23 in one group, 42 in another....

Are we supposed to believe there are groups of people corresponding to the numbers?

I'm guessing our miner walt kidnapper faction is one other group, and Desmond belongs to another group?

I think you're on to something big here - we know there are several groups, the "42" and "23" being the largest. Good work; if it turns out to be true you've broken the code!

I think you're on to something big here - we know there are several groups, the "42" and "23" being the largest. Good work; if it turns out to be true you've broken the code!

refresh my memory someone...were there 15 people in the french woman's group? I could've sworn that she said something to that effect last season.

and were there 4 people on the boat that kidnapped walt?

Actually, when Desmond asked, Locke told him there were 43 of them and 4 left on a raft. If you stop counting Walt because he's not with them right now, I guess you have your 42.

On another track, didn't the orientation film say that Desmond's bunker was station 3 of 5? As improbable as even one bunker seems, I wonder if there might be more bunkers (4?) on the island. As unwieldy as it would seemingly make the story line, I suppose that could mean there are other occupants waiting for "replacements".

Also, did anybody else notice that when Locke entered the numbers, he didn't hit the space bar at all, yet spaces were inserted between the spoken numbers. An Apple 2 wouldn't do that unless it was running a program that automatically inserted these spaces in appropriate positions or after each correctly entered number. Just thought that was curious.

Actually, when Desmond asked, Locke told him there were 43 of them and 4 left on a raft. If you stop counting Walt because he's not with them right now, I guess you have your 42.

oh i was referring to what sawyer told ana lucia in the pit, when she asked them how they got to the island

And now the Morse title says "One Pill Makes You Larger and One Pill Maes You Small"

Somebody has entirely too much time on their hands...As do many of the people frequenting this forum, it would seem :D

I am not sure but I think this is what is happening with the newer websites you guys have been looking at...

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ is a legit ABC run site that is affiliated and created for the show LOST.

The site is hosted on a single server, running as a virtual host. This means that SEVERAL sites all share the same IP address, and the apache or other WWW server software can route the web viewer to a certain directory based on the requested URL.

It appears that someone running the server or hosting provider decided to have some fun and forward all requests for the IP to the domain bigspaceship1.com. This can all be done in a config file on the web server.

Also, when you put in the secure version of the URL https for https://www.thehansofoundation.org the webserver software interprets the secure request on a different port and can route the user to any other address or webpage.

So to put it simply, www.thehansofoundation.org is legit as far as its connection to the TV show lost.... but the other two sites are just computer geeks screwing around with people.

I have been trying to decide whether or not the island security system with the apple computer and the count down from 108 is just a psychological experiment or not, and I think it definitely could be.

However, one idea I came up with for a possible repercussion if the sequence is not entered within 108 minutes is this...

What if the island's security system is designed to keep people ON the Island. This would also possibly go along with the whole quarantine sign on the inside of the hatch, the sharks in the water, the magnetic machine, and maybe as a last resort the inventors of the experiment coming to get you and blow up your make shift raft with a bomb. (see picture (http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6990/thedegroots1jy.jpg) ) There seem to be several systems set up to prevent the people being experimented on from leaving the island.

So maybe the designers of the experiment found out exactly how long it would take someone to get from the hatch to the shore (108 minutes or more) and if the subjects of the experiment were not present to punch in the sequence, the security system would turn on.

Maybe the security system is the magnetic field generator? Maybe if anyone were to try and escape by a boat or aircraft the magnetic device would prevent them from being able to leave?

Of course if there actually were two people in the bunker they could team up to allow one person to attempt to leave but then the other would be stuck alone to fend for himself for the rest of his days. Maybe that is part of the experiment? To see if one person is willing to sacrifice their life in order to allow another person to be free?

Also, did anybody else notice that when Locke entered the numbers, he didn't hit the space bar at all, yet spaces were inserted between the spoken numbers. An Apple 2 wouldn't do that unless it was running a program that automatically inserted these spaces in appropriate positions or after each correctly entered number. Just thought that was curious.

thanks for reminding me. not sure if this has been mentioned, this thread moves way too quickly, in the season 2 opener, you see desmond wake up, get out of bed, sit down on a chair which seems to be in or just outside his room, roll on it to the computer, and type in the numbers (while pressing the space bar in between numbers by the way). now from what i can gather from what we've seen on the hatch, his bedroom is not in line with the dome with the computer for him to slide from the bedroom into the dome. also when he's typing in the numbers in the season 2 opener, the room is alot brighter than how it is in the dome.

I'm assuming this has already been discussed here... But maybe not:

4 8 15 16 23 42 ==>

Latitude 4.815
Longitude 162.342

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=4.815+162.342&spn=140.430660,194.712891&iwloc=A&hl=en

Middle of the South Pacific, about 6 hours from Sydney.

What if the island's security system is designed to keep people ON the Island. This would also possibly go along with the whole quarantine sign on the inside of the hatch, the sharks in the water, the magnetic machine, and maybe as a last resort the inventors of the experiment coming to get you and blow up your make shift raft with a bomb. (see picture (http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6990/thedegroots1jy.jpg) ) There seem to be several systems set up to prevent the people being experimented on from leaving the island.

So maybe the designers of the experiment found out exactly how long it would take someone to get from the hatch to the shore (108 minutes or more) and if the subjects of the experiment were not present to punch in the sequence, the security system would turn on.

Only problem with that theory is that we've seen all of those "security" measures in action, yet the sequence has never been skipped.

http://media.putfile.com/Bring-me-to-life_000139

Nice - Gotta love an "Kate" music montage. :D

Thinking that the computer is destroyed -- why would Desmond "run away" knowing that the world will be destroyed? He would never be able to escape it. Doesn't make a lot of sense, really. He probably couldn't get more than a mile away before the countdown reaches zero.

Also, did anybody else notice that when Locke entered the numbers, he didn't hit the space bar at all, yet spaces were inserted between the spoken numbers. An Apple 2 wouldn't do that unless it was running a program that automatically inserted these spaces in appropriate positions or after each correctly entered number. Just thought that was curious.

I did notice that in ep. 2 when he was forcing Locke to enter the numbers--no spacebar. Just thought it was a mess-up with procedural continuity and/or "artistic licence" but didn't really have any significance to the story line. But with this show who knows.

Breaking trail he might not be a mile away in 108 minutes, but as the athlete he was depicted, he could probably get a 6-minute mile pace and be 18 miles away over open ground. Not outside reality as marathon winners seem to get better than a 5.76 minute mile over 26 miles.

Does he have 18 miles to get away to?

v/r,
C-F

except he only had about 48 minutes left when he took off.

Just when I thought http://www.bigspaceship1.com/ didn't have anything to do with 'LOST', now it's playing 'Make Your Own Kind Of Music'. WTF?!

yeah and now it redirects to:

http://www.funsms.net/smartdust.htm

and a few minutes later to

http://www.redpolarbear.com/

!!! :eek:

yeah and now it redirects to:

http://www.funsms.net/smartdust.htm

and a few minutes later to

http://www.redpolarbear.com/

!!! :eek:

I say bring back 'Peter Cottontail'. At least that was interesting.

Not THAT Peter Cottontail!

new morse code message at www.bigspaceship1.com now reads:

.... --- -.- . -.-- .-. . .-.. .. --. .. --- -. ... .- -. -.. .- -. -.-. .. . -. - .-- . .- .--. --- -. ... .- .-. . -. --- -- .- - -.-. .... ..-. --- .-. .- --. --- --- -.. .... .- -- ... - . .-. .- - -.-- --- ..- .-. ... .. -.. . --..-- -.- .. -..

HOKEYRELIGIONSANDANCIENTWEAPONSARENOMATCHFORAGOODHAMSTERATYO URSIDE,KID

This is according to a morse code translator I found at http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.html

If it is just a fan site, they sure are going to great lengths to keep the content fresh!

If it is just a fan site, they sure are going to great lengths to keep the content fresh!

Yeah, it's changing frequently. Whoever is behind it is a member of this forum.

Yeah, it's changing frequently. Whoever is behind it is a member of this forum.

You're quite talented; care to reveal yourself?

except he only had about 48 minutes left when he took off.

OK, 8 miles.

Maybe he's a rapper.

v/r,
C-F

new morse code message at www.bigspaceship1.com now reads:

.... --- -.- . -.-- .-. . .-.. .. --. .. --- -. ... .- -. -.. .- -. -.-. .. . -. - .-- . .- .--. --- -. ... .- .-. . -. --- -- .- - -.-. .... ..-. --- .-. .- --. --- --- -.. .... .- -- ... - . .-. .- - -.-- --- ..- .-. ... .. -.. . --..-- -.- .. -..

HOKEYRELIGIONSANDANCIENTWEAPONSARENOMATCHFORAGOODHAMSTERATYO URSIDE,KID

This is according to a morse code translator I found at http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.html

If it is just a fan site, they sure are going to great lengths to keep the content fresh!

The quote is "Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." (Han Solo)

But maybe a hamster would be good, too.

https://www.bigspaceship1.com:19638/webhost/rollout/site

is now bringing up the Site Admin / User Login page!

Yeah, that's the secure site (https)

new morse code message at www.bigspaceship1.com now reads:

HOKEYRELIGIONSANDANCIENTWEAPONSARENOMATCHFORAGOODHAMSTERATYO URSIDE,KID


The quote is "Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." (Han Solo)

But maybe a hamster would be good, too.

That's freakin' hilarious (LMAO!)

I guess whoever is running that site has a collection of Star Wars quotes and a morse code translator.

Hong.

Anybody else suspect that there could be more bunkers on the island? After all, the Orientation film noted that Desmond's bunker was station 3 of 5. I doubt it, but perhaps that's where he thought he was running? He seemed to be running with some kind of purpose before Jack interrupted him.

#3 of 6.

Over on HTF, someone noted that the crashed plane flight 815 had a symbol on it that looked like the Dharma logo, although it's somewhat cut off. I am not sure if anyone has posted this here before or not. If not, what do you think?

http://www.donnyandlaura.com/lost%20plane%20walt.GIF

Has it been dicussed here that Oceanic is the airline that always crashes, gets hijacked, has a bomb on board in the movies and TV?

Over on HTF, someone noted that the crashed plane flight 815 had a symbol on it that looked like the Dharma logo, although it's somewhat cut off. I am not sure if anyone has posted this here before or not. If not, what do you think?

Can anyone verify that's not Photoshopped? Looks hinkey.

Can anyone verify that's not Photoshopped? Looks hinkey.

I was thinking the same thing.

Can anyone verify that's not Photoshopped? Looks hinkey.

I agree also. Here is the link LOST plane (http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=19&pos=529)

I noticed that, and I also noticed Jin speaking English!

Jin speaking English has been discussed before, and some have thought it was a flashback or a dream sequence.

I watched the preview again and i don't think it's either. He's still beaten up from his tussle with the Tail Section folks, so I think it takes place in the present.

We'll see.

Conversely, not hitting the button might trigger an alarm sequence that notifies the outside world that there is a problem on the island and help should be sent. What if, by continuing to enter the sequence on schedule, Desmond has been sending a confirmation message back to Dharma headquarters that, "Everything's fine here. Don't bother to stop by"? How would that be for irony?

It could also tell a military base that the quarantine has been breached and it's time to nuke the island :-)

If someone gets the drop on Sawyer one more time, I'll scream. Appearently not the bad-mofo he makes out to be, so please keep all firearms away from him!


Well the man has been shot, lost at sea, attacked by sharks, and paddled to the shore of the island. Then beat up, tossed in a pit, and sucker punched.

I think most of us would be a few cans of whoop-*ss short too. :-)

Anyone else think Sawyer bears a resemblence to Don Johnson?

Yes, I remember thinking that a few episodes in. He would be a good choice for Crockett in a remake of Miami Vice.

#3 of 6.

You need to go to Orientation again, it's 3 of 5.

You need to go to Orientation again, it's 3 of 5.

You must have an older copy of the Orientation film. 1980 version says 3 of 6.

My goal was to watch it in HD but, unfortunately i cannot afford an HD DVR.Get a cheap PC (used is fine, but Black Friday is coming, and new ones don't get any cheaper) plus a MyHD ($200) and a big hard drive (7-10 GB/hour).

Xesdeeni

Get a cheap PC (used is fine, but Black Friday is coming, and new ones don't get any cheaper) plus a MyHD ($200) and a big hard drive (7-10 GB/hour).

Xesdeeni

At that price point just go with DirecTV. You can get an HD Tivo for about $400 when you sign up. Plus they'll upgrade you to their newer HD box when it comes out (next year I think).

I currently use Comcast and pay $15/mo for HD and the DVR, so that's another way to go, albeit more expensive long term.

at the end of the orientation video, the guy said "namasate", anybody know what that means exactly?

The literal translation of "namasate" is: "You're my guinea pig, round-eye." :D

at the end of the orientation video, the guy said "namasate", anybody know what that means exactly?

A quick google search came up with this:
Namasate – the Christ in Me greets the Christ in you.

Not sure if it is applicable here, seems it would be a greeting.

Can anyone verify that's not Photoshopped? Looks hinkey.

I pulled out my Lost DVDs and can confirm that it's on the plane. Doesn't quite look like the Dharma logo though.

At that price point just go with DirecTV. You can get an HD Tivo for about $400 when you sign up. Plus they'll upgrade you to their newer HD box when it comes out (next year I think).Just a suggestion...Going the DirectTV way will get you HD versions of ESPN, and Discovery and HDNet (plus any pay channels you subscribe to). But it will cost you subscription and monthly PVR costs, DRM (no backups when your hard drive overflows), and no hard drive upgrades. Also, if you decide you want an additional HD tuner, a FusionHDTV ($100) gives you a second in the same PC.

Xesdeeni

I pulled out my Lost DVDs and can confirm that it's on the plane. Doesn't quite look like the Dharma logo though.Actually, it does look like the Dharma logo, just not the logo for the swan station (station 3 - Desmond's bunker).

Yes, I remember thinking that a few episodes in. He would be a good choice for Crockett in a remake of Miami Vice.

Sadly, Colin Farrell's already been shooting it.

Actually, he says "Namaste" (na-MAH-stay), not namasate (na-muh-SAH-tay)... which, googling the word, loosely means "I bow to you"... so its kind of a greeting, but also seems to mean, in the sense of Lost, sort of a "good luck to you".

You must have an older copy of the Orientation film. 1980 version says 3 of 6.

Gosh darn it, you're right. I checked.

Time for a vision test. :)

Actually, it does look like the Dharma logo, just not the logo for the swan station (station 3 - Desmond's bunker).

I think it resembles the dharma logo too. But it appears to be stretched or longer on the top. Doesn't the other logo have equal sides?

A quick google search came up with this:
Namasate – the Christ in Me greets the Christ in you.

Not sure if it is applicable here, seems it would be a greeting.

It's Namaste. Lots of Google hits. I like these two:

Namaste 1 (http://www.exoticindiaart.com/article/namaste)

Namaste 2 (http://www.flex.com/~jai/articles/namaste1.html)

Sadly, Colin Farrell's already been shooting it.

Yeah, I had heard that. Crazy. His remake of SWAT sucked quite frankly, so I don't have high hopes for it. Jamie Foxx is Tubbs, though, hope he's worth the admission (of course I'll see it, it's Miami Vice:-).

Very cool catch of that Dharma logo on the plane. Any chance that Oceanic Airlines is a subsidiary of Hanso?

I think it resembles the dharma logo too. But it appears to be stretched or longer on the top. Doesn't the other logo have equal sides?

Can't someone do a "Hollywood zoom" on it like on CSI? What, why not? :)

I know everyone has seen this site and all it seems to reveal is "Invalid IP" then "Access Denied".

It just occurred to me (perhaps mentioned before?) that the Lost numbers (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) may be an IP address (481.516.234.2 - I don't know if this is a valid range or not)

Perhaps someone smarter than me can change their IP address to that sequence and see if that unlocks the dharmaindustries.com site.

Lastly, didn't the Orientation film mention Amsterdam? Isn't that where Walt's mom took him?

I know everyone has seen this site and all it seems to reveal is "Invalid IP" then "Access Denied".

It just occurred to me (perhaps mentioned before?) that the Lost numbers (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) may be an IP address (481.516.234.2 - I don't know if this is a valid range or not)

Perhaps someone smarter than me can change their IP address to that sequence and see if that unlocks the dharmaindustries.com site.

Lastly, didn't the Orientation film mention Amsterdam? Isn't that where Walt's mom took him?


Nope, each section of an IP address has a range from 0-255.

Nope, each section of an IP address has a range from 0-255.


Figures... couldn't have been that easy. Oh well.

ILastly, didn't the Orientation film mention Amsterdam? Isn't that where Walt's mom took him?

Ah.... good catch there!

6) If station 3 is the "Swan" then we know that the sharks from Ep 2 must come from a different "station" since their logo didn't have a Swan but a straight line in the logo.

What shark from Ep 2??? and what logo???... Are you talking about the shark that Michael shot? I'm confused, I must be tired from reading the last 15 or so pages.

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Actually, it does look like the Dharma logo, just not the logo for the swan station (station 3 - Desmond's bunker).
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I have to respectfully disagree.

The only "resemblance" is the octagon shape. The DHARMA log has eight trigrams (http://www.kheper.net/topics/I_Ching/trigrams.htm) along the eight edges. I don't see them.

Hong.

What shark from Ep 2??? and what logo???... Are you talking about the shark that Michael shot? I'm confused, I must be tired from reading the last 15 or so pages.

Yeah, the one in the water that Michael shot. There was a Dharma logo on it, visible as it swam by. Someone posted a screenshot of it on this thread. I missed it the first time, but after someone mentioned it here I went back and checked - it's there, but only visible for a second.

Latest Morse code message:

LETS CATCH HUMANS ALL DAY THEN THROW THEM AWAY

LOL

Yeah, the one in the water that Michael shot. There was a Dharma logo on it, visible as it swam by. Someone posted a screenshot of it on this thread. I missed it the first time, but after someone mentioned it here I went back and checked - it's there, but only visible for a second.


Thanks, I'd be lost without this forum.

timick,

Here's the post with the screenshot:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6272033&&#post6272033

I think it resembles the dharma logo too. But it appears to be stretched or longer on the top. Doesn't the other logo have equal sides?

Those screen shots are stretched, as if watching an anamorphic DVD on a 4:3 TV without downconverting to letterbox. Look at Walt.

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Actually, it does look like the Dharma logo, just not the logo for the swan station (station 3 - Desmond's bunker).
------

I have to respectfully disagree.

The only "resemblance" is the octagon shape. The DHARMA log has eight trigrams (http://www.kheper.net/topics/I_Ching/trigrams.htm) along the eight edges. I don't see them.

Hong.Well, another resemblance is that there are three concentric octagons. I wouldn't jump to conclusions about whether it's close enough or not. We haven't seen enough of these logos to determine what must match in order to make it a Dharma logo. Maybe the solid-line octagons correspond to the sky and the dashed-line octagons to the earth, etc.

Whether it's a Dharma logo or not, it's still an interesting coincidence that they involve three concentric octagons.

Yes, I remember thinking that a few episodes in. He would be a good choice for Crockett in a remake of Miami Vice.

Even the voice. I initially thought "ok, they hired a Don Johnson wannabe", but he's actually turned out to be a pretty darn good actor.

He would be a good choice for Crockett in a remake of Miami Vice.

I'm sure that will be along soon. They remade Starsky & Hutch; can Miami Vice be far behind?

A quick google search came up with this:
Namasate – the Christ in Me greets the Christ in you.

Not sure if it is applicable here, seems it would be a greeting.

Well, it's not in Websters.

Sadly, Colin Farrell's already been shooting it.

Really? He's not even close!

Ah.... good catch there!

Damn! Youse guys are good!

wow, 2 weeks later and I'm caught up.

A note I wanted to make about the washer/dryer. I don't remember the commercials from Wednesday night, but on the replay Saturday night there was about 3 commercials for that same pair of Washer/Dryer thats in the hatch. So it looks like a big product placement to me and we aren't supposed to be thinking about how something so new got in the hatch.

Anyone thought that Helen may be the 900 # girl and Locke keeps calling her there so she has to talk to him after they are broke up, or maybe she dies as a result of Locke refusing to stop going outside his father's house and thats why he was crying after they showed the flashback story with her in it.

http://www.bigspaceship1.com/ is now showing 2 polar bears floating back and forth across the screen.

Jin speaking English I am 100% positive was not a Daniel De Kim promo. He's not even looking at the camera when it happens. Its either a flashback/dream or maybe there is some link between him and the Hanzo video guy too since he is also Asian. Perhaps some kind of experiments they are conducting like nazis.

http://humpys.net/images/theothers.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6990/thedegroots1jy.jpg

Oh yeah, thats definitly them. Now we have to find out why they wanted Walt.

Originally Posted by dlipetz
ILastly, didn't the Orientation film mention Amsterdam? Isn't that where Walt's mom took him?

Ah.... good catch there!

Just watched it again and no mention of Amsterdam. It says Hanzo was Danish.

Hard to say it's definitely them when we know for a fact that they are different people. But surely a strong coincidence the way they are portrayed.

I've been really curious about how Jack has managed to keep the hair on his head and face basically the same length for 40+ days in survivor-mode. Has that already been speculated on?

Jin speaking English has been discussed before, and some have thought it was a flashback or a dream sequence.

I watched the preview again and i don't think it's either. He's still beaten up from his tussle with the Tail Section folks, so I think it takes place in the present.After rewatching the ep and upcoming previews on Saturday, I was thinking that the way the producers seem to revel in all the viewer searching, hidden eggs and twists, I'm not so sure that they wouldn't purposely slip a non-preview sound bite in there just to screw with everybody you know? Just to sprout a bunch of pages of posts on web sites all over the net. Kind of the ultimate red herring. It could simply be a little clip from an interview shot in between takes or after they got done shooting scenes and before he got out of makeup. IIRC he says something along the lines of "Everything's going to change". Taken out of the context of the show itself, that could very easily be part of a response to questions about where the season was going to be heading for instance.


Edit: And if he were doing an interview he would be looking at the interviewer (off screen) not the camera like a promo...


ron

Just watched it again and no mention of Amsterdam. It says Hanzo was Danish.

Oh well, guess I just made a mental stretch from Denmark to Amsterdam. At least it's the same continent...

sorry, but I have been unable to check up on these threads for over a week now, so can someone please explain to me what these web sites are all about? Were they mentioned in the show, on the old video that they watched? Please explain...it's driving me crazy!!

Jack has already been shown shaving in at least one episode...

I think that I have figured out LOST!

Last week’s episode finally gave me the final missing clues.

1. It has been mentioned more than once by the survivors that “we should not have survived the crash”. Which is true … it would have been impossible to survive a plane breaking apart in the air and crashing! The point is that they did not survive a plane crash ... because it did not happen! All the “passengers” were hypnotized (or something similar) in to believing that they had been in one. Props of a “crash” were set up on the island to re-enforce this.
2. All the "passengers" are all part of a university psychological experiment/study, Most likely it is Columbia University where Jack played football and studied economics. I believe each of the “passengers” was carefully selected for the study. They are continuous submitted to crises to see how they will react. Examples
a. The monster in the jungle.
b. The abductions.
c. Several staged deaths (there have been a few plants to staged these fake deaths)
3. Does the island even really exist, or is it just a elaborate sound stage? Everything certainly could be controlled better on a sound stage.
4. I also think that there is a chance that John Locke is some how directly involved with experiment. He is just too calm at times. For example, when confronted with the monster in the jungle he remained calm because he knew it would not actually hurt him. I believe his role is to help calm some of the subjects at times (so they will not over react and kill each other!); and to direct them in certain directions as the experiment dictates. For example, he purposely led them to the underground facility.
5. Who are the “others”? They are the other groups that have become “marooned” on the island as a result of ”shipwrecks”, “plane crashes” and other calamities that never actually occurred. These people were also hypnotized into believing. The experiment has reached the stage were these groups will start interacting with each other.
6. What about the button? If they continue to press it the experiment will continue until the researchers feel the experiment has run its course. However, if they fail to push the button the experiment will end immediately! Desmond is on of the researchers. He was there just to get the “passengers” to push the button. He has left the “island”.

I am anxious to see how my theory works out!

^bob you are reaching with that one, but its as good a guess as any i guess. As far as the image on the plane from season one, did the writers even invision this far in advance back then?? Did they know they were going to have a whole 'dharma industries' with the logo back at the begining of season 1???? I'll admit it does look suspiciously like it, but I dont think the darma logo was even a thought back then.

I think that I have figured out LOST!

Last week’s episode finally gave me the final missing clues.

1. It has been mentioned more than once by the survivors that “we should not have survived the crash”. Which is true … it would have been impossible to survive a plane breaking apart in the air and crashing! The point is that they did not survive a plane crash ... because it did not happen! All the “passengers” were hypnotized (or something similar) in to believing that they had been in one. Props of a “crash” were set up on the island to re-enforce this.
2. All the "passengers" are all part of a university psychological experiment/study, Most likely it is Columbia University where Jack played football and studied economics. I believe each of the “passengers” was carefully selected for the study. They are continuous submitted to crises to see how they will react. Examples
a. The monster in the jungle.
b. The abductions.
c. Several staged deaths (there have been a few plants to staged these fake deaths)
3. Does the island even really exist, or is it just a elaborate sound stage? Everything certainly could be controlled better on a sound stage.
4. I also think that there is a chance that John Locke is some how directly involved with experiment. He is just too calm at times. For example, when confronted with the monster in the jungle he remained calm because he knew it would not actually hurt him. I believe his role is to help calm some of the subjects at times (so they will not over react and kill each other!); and to direct them in certain directions as the experiment dictates. For example, he purposely led them to the underground facility.
5. Who are the “others”? They are the other groups that have become “marooned” on the island as a result of ”shipwrecks”, “plane crashes” and other calamities that never actually occurred. These people were also hypnotized into believing. The experiment has reached the stage were these groups will start interacting with each other.
6. What about the button? If they continue to press it the experiment will continue until the researchers feel the experiment has run its course. However, if they fail to push the button the experiment will end immediately! Desmond is on of the researchers. He was there just to get the “passengers” to push the button. He has left the “island”.

I am anxious to see how my theory works out!
You know Bob, I wish we could all live in your dream world too! :)

I've been really curious about how Jack has managed to keep the hair on his head and face basically the same length for 40+ days in survivor-mode. Has that already been speculated on?

We all wonder that. Guess it's called "suspension of disbelief".

I have to sneak this in quick while I'm caught up! Bob, I think you are very close to the solution. I have been thinking about the possibility that the crash was psychologically induced. After all, we have seen very little of the crash. The only flaw I'm finding is the guy that was sucked into the running engine in the opening episode.

Also, I don't know for sure but I thought that the training film canister was labeled as #3 of 6 but the presenter in the film said that this was site #3 of 5. Either I'm mistaken or maybe the missing station was the one which experienced the "accident"

I have also noticed that most of the key suvivors have been hospitalized/institutionalized in the past. This leads me to a thought that Locke was never really physically paralyzed, maybe his paralysis was a form of psychosis brought on by his father/kidney/psycho mom/Peg Bundy girlfriend.

Must quit reading this thread, brain starting to hurt!

-Steve

As far as the image on the plane from season one, did the writers even invision this far in advance back then?? Did they know they were going to have a whole 'dharma industries' with the logo back at the begining of season 1???? I'll admit it does look suspiciously like it, but I dont think the darma logo was even a thought back then.

But wait, those screen caps were from the DVD, which was just released a month ago or so. So we need someone who has the original episode archived on their DVR to check it out. Will the conspiracies never end?!

^bob you are reaching with that one, but its as good a guess as any i guess. As far as the image on the plane from season one, did the writers even invision this far in advance back then?? Did they know they were going to have a whole 'Dharma Industries' with the logo back at the begining of season 1???? I'll admit it does look suspiciously like it, but I dont think the Darma logo was even a thought back then.

Well, it would sure shoot a hole in the whole "the writers are just winging it and have no idea where it's all going" argument, wouldn't it? ;)

http://www.bigspaceship1.com/ is now showing 2 polar bears floating back and forth across the screen.

Yes, and if you can use your mouse to "shoot out" their superimposed red hearts as they pass each other all the secrets of "LOST" will be revealed to you.

Taking the psychological testing angle to an extreme. What if Locke still has both of his kidneys and the surgery was just a cover for an implant that will cause his paralysis. The implant could then be shut off to allow use of his legs while on the island. If part of the test is to determine just how much faith an individual can have, regaining use of your legs would sway you towards belief. Just tell me to go away if you all think that this is just to far fetched.

-Steve

Too far fetched - but don't go anywhere. We've discussed, expanded on, or shot down much more far-fetched theories.

Too far fetched - but don't go anywhere. We've discussed, expanded on, or shot down much more far-fetched theories.

Too far fetched?...for a TELEVISION show???

Originally Posted by maxman
Yes, and if you can use your mouse to "shoot out" their superimposed red hearts as they pass each other all the secrets of "LOST" will be revealed to you.

It is actually a red circle and it says "2FENO6".

Taking the psychological testing angle to an extreme. What if Locke still has both of his kidneys and the surgery was just a cover for an implant that will cause his paralysis. The implant could then be shut off to allow use of his legs while on the island. If part of the test is to determine just how much faith an individual can have, regaining use of your legs would sway you towards belief. Just tell me to go away if you all think that this is just to far fetched.

-Steve

Now this theory I like!

Now this theory I like!

Me too. Good thinking!

Me too. Good thinking!

I know! Who needs the TV show? I can just spend hours and hours on this thread instead!

:eek:

Taking this implant idea out a little further. What if those who are watching the "experiment" felt that Locke and Boone were getting a little to close to finding something and caused the paralysis to start coming back. Or they wanted to convince him that he belonged on the island since he was "special" and has a purpose. So you think you can leave do you Mr. Locke, well then try this on for size....zap! This would also drive his devotion and faith even higher.

-Steve

It is actually a red circle and it says "2FENO6".

I saw that too, but what the heck does that mean?

The site has been fun to keep track of, but obviously (or maybe not) has nothing to do with Lost actually.

The red circle looks more like 2FEND6 to me.

1. It has been mentioned more than once by the survivors that “we should not have survived the crash”. Which is true … it would have been impossible to survive a plane breaking apart in the air and crashing! The point is that they did not survive a plane crash ... because it did not happen! All the “passengers” were hypnotized (or something similar) in to believing that they had been in one. Props of a “crash” were set up on the island to re-enforce this.



So did they 'fake' the Marshal having a piece of shrapnel in his gut and bleeding like a pig and dying? Sawyer's shooting him? Or Rose's heart stopping and Jack resuscitating her?

There are a lot of holes here.

It would be extremely difficult to get nearly 42 people to all believe the same incident happened when it did not.

How do you explain the real deaths of:

The passenger in the beginning who was sucked into the jet engine.

The marshall: Jack is a doctor and he saw him die. Didn't they bury him?

Boone: Jack tried to save him and could not. They buried him, right?

Ethan: Charlie shot him and they buried him, too.

Artz: Was blown up right in front of Hurley, Jack, Kate and Locke.
I'm thinking he really died, if he was in a million bits.

With a doctor as part of the survivors it would be impossible to stage any of these deaths. Are you saying Jack is a plant?

No, the plane crash was real and there is something else going on.
We will see what it is eventually.


I think that I have figured out LOST!

Last week’s episode finally gave me the final missing clues.

1. It has been mentioned more than once by the survivors that “we should not have survived the crash”. Which is true … it would have been impossible to survive a plane breaking apart in the air and crashing! The point is that they did not survive a plane crash ... because it did not happen! All the “passengers” were hypnotized (or something similar) in to believing that they had been in one. Props of a “crash” were set up on the island to re-enforce this.
2. All the "passengers" are all part of a university psychological experiment/study, Most likely it is Columbia University where Jack played football and studied economics. I believe each of the “passengers” was carefully selected for the study. They are continuous submitted to crises to see how they will react. Examples
a. The monster in the jungle.
b. The abductions.
c. Several staged deaths (there have been a few plants to staged these fake deaths)
3. Does the island even really exist, or is it just a elaborate sound stage? Everything certainly could be controlled better on a sound stage.
4. I also think that there is a chance that John Locke is some how directly involved with experiment. He is just too calm at times. For example, when confronted with the monster in the jungle he remained calm because he knew it would not actually hurt him. I believe his role is to help calm some of the subjects at times (so they will not over react and kill each other!); and to direct them in certain directions as the experiment dictates. For example, he purposely led them to the underground facility.
5. Who are the “others”? They are the other groups that have become “marooned” on the island as a result of ”shipwrecks”, “plane crashes” and other calamities that never actually occurred. These people were also hypnotized into believing. The experiment has reached the stage were these groups will start interacting with each other.
6. What about the button? If they continue to press it the experiment will continue until the researchers feel the experiment has run its course. However, if they fail to push the button the experiment will end immediately! Desmond is on of the researchers. He was there just to get the “passengers” to push the button. He has left the “island”.

I am anxious to see how my theory works out!

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This site has to be a joke.

Just a fanboy site - not really sure of the point, or the interest in it.

Because, if something is even remotely connected to LOST it must have hidden meaning and mysterious clues.

Did anyone catch the promos they ran during the college games on sat. I have the ESPN game plan and was flipping around to different games and one was an ABC feed. They played a promo that looked like Mike, Jin and Sawyer were being led down a long tunnel by the other survivors. It definitely showed different scenes then the promo after last weeks show. I only saw this promo once during the game so it was kind of strange.