Hard to say it's definitely them when we know for a fact that they are different people. But surely a strong coincidence the way they are portrayed.

What do you mean when you say "we know for a fact that they are different people."

Do we know the people who showed up to take Walt do not include the original two scientists from Dharma? How do we know that?

We know that the guy pictured in the Orientation film is a different actor than the one on the boat. They certainly could be the same character, but you couldn't say it as a "fact" as was suggested.

Today on www.bigspaceship1.com

Sound: Heartbeating (w/Murmur?)
Morse Code: You are the magnet and I am steel.

I don't know what's going on, but when I click on the link in these postings, I get redirected to ipodnews.com.

What gives?

The hypnosis theory seems too much like a give-up on the plot. It takes both parties to successfully invoke a hypnotic state, and I know of no plausible reason that everyone on the plane would submit to that. If prior to that, how did all the required subjects end up in the same place at the same time?

It'd be just as easy to believe that they're all in some kind of purgatory or something.

I'm just going to take everything at face value.

"Namaste" is a show on HDnet!!! Look it up.

Namasate – the Christ in Me greets the Christ in you.
Well, it's not in Websters.

What? :eek:

A Japanese word that's not in a dictionary of the English language???

~Dan

What? :eek:

A Japanese word that's not in a dictionary of the English language???

~Dan


Guys, I am an Indian, and a Hindu (follower of Hinduism). Take it from me, the guy in the orientation film said "Namaste" - NOT "Namasate".

The correct spelling is "Namaste" - meaning "a reverant greeting". It is a common way of greeting in India - being that the word comes from the Sanskrit language - the mother of most modern Indian languages. If you see the film again, you would see that the guy in the film brings his hands together while saying "Namaste" - implying that he was greeting the viewer. The odd thing is that the correct posture while saying "Namaste" is to bring both the palms together at chest level and bow down to the other person. It is intriguing that the guy in the orientation film only brings up his right hand while saying "Namaste" suggesting that he might have some handicap preventing him from using his left hand. I don't know what the significance of this observation is.

This is the most accurate explanation of the meaning of the word "Namaste" is given here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namaste

I don't know what's going on, but when I click on the link in these postings, I get redirected to ipodnews.com.

What gives?

It directed me to ipodnews.com too, but did you notice the sponsor of the site? Narvick Iron Mines, Digging Norwegian Heavy Metal. When you scroll over top of it, the caption reads: "Your friendly source for heavy metal and magnetic ore. If you're ever in Narvick, just drop in!" References back to the Swan's electromagnetic compenents maybe?

I'll have to wait until Saturday night for the rebroadcast in HD.
Don't discuss anything interesting until Saturday night OK ? :D
Well I finally got to see the episode and get caught up in this thread. Now I've just got all the web sites to check out .....

Has anybody seen a movie called The Innocents (1961)? How does it compair with Lost?

Has anybody seen a movie called The Innocents (1961)? How does it compair with Lost?It's been a long time since I saw The Innocents and my recollection is not that great, but it doesn't really make me think of Lost or vice versa. Maybe others will see it differently.

It directed me to ipodnews.com too, but did you notice the sponsor of the site? Narvick Iron Mines, Digging Norwegian Heavy Metal. When you scroll over top of it, the caption reads: "Your friendly source for heavy metal and magnetic ore. If you're ever in Narvick, just drop in!" References back to the Swan's electromagnetic compenents maybe?

Also, in the html title of the web page, it says "iPodNews.com | iPod News updated every 108 minutes."

For the bigspaceship1 web site it is now back to peter cotton tail and morse code = takingmorehitsthansawyereverwill

Pretty creative whoever it is.

Anyone else see the irony of someone bemoaning predictability, while proudly making two year deep predictions of his own???

10 Points to you Rick for picking up on the last sentence.

Today on www.bigspaceship1.com

Sound: Peter Cottontail
Image: Mouse on Cheese
Morse Code: A Long Time Ago, On An Island Far Far Away

Also, in the html title of the web page, it says "iPodNews.com | iPod News updated every 108 minutes."

For the bigspaceship1 web site it is now back to peter cotton tail and morse code = takingmorehitsthansawyereverwill

Pretty creative whoever it is.Hopefully Jack or Hurley or... will neglect to put in the code & hit the button... because adding this to the story line every 108 minutes will get "played out" pretty soon.

Today on www.bigspaceship1.com

Sound: Peter Cottontail
Image: Mouse on Cheese
Morse Code: A Long Time Ago, On An Island Far Far Away

What is the "mouse voice" saying underneath the Peter Cottontail song? About all I could make out was something about "rodent revolution."

i think he's saying turn me on deadman :D

Let's try to stay on-topic.

What is the "mouse voice" saying underneath the Peter Cottontail song? About all I could make out was something about "rodent revolution."

Sounds like "attention all rodents, attention all rodents, attention all rodents, we the _____ of the rodent revolution send greetings to our new rodent friends" then there is a bit more that I can not make out at all; however I think I hear the word "masturbation" near the end of it. Then it starts to repeat.

The IP address of www.bigspaceship1.com is 64.207.186.80, which also resolves to smartdust.com. If you enter the IP address or smartdust.com into a browser it brings up a blank page that has small black text that reads "Smartdust" - that's it. If you google Smartdust you get a buch of result about a study that was done that involved electonic devices (also called motes)that are a cubic millimeter in size. Some of what I found is below. This is a total waste of my time, but yet I keep doing it!!

The devices are also called motes and are intended to shrink down to the size of a grain of sand, or even a dust particle. Each device contains sensors, computing circuits, bidirectional wireless communications technology and a power supply. Motes would gather data, run computations and communicate using two-way band radio with other motes at distances approaching 1,000 feet (300 metres).

When clustered together, they automatically create highly flexible, low-power networks with applications ranging from climate control systems to entertainment devices that interact with information appliances.

The Smartdust concept was introduced by Kristofer Pister (University of California) in 2001 [1], though similar ideas existed in science fiction before then. A recent review [2] discusses various techniques to take smart dust in sensor networks beyond millimeter dimensions to the micrometre level.

[edit]
Applications
A typical application scenario is scattering a hundred of these sensors around a building or around a hospital to monitor temperature or humidity or inform of disasters, such as earthquakes. In the military, they can perform as a remote sensor chip to track enemy movements, detect poisonous gas or radioactivity. In a hospital, they can be used to track patient movements. The ease and low cost of such applications have raised privacy concerns, primarily in science fiction stories.

They will be in large arrays on walls, forming a truly
staggering 3D display with brightness, contrast, and viewing angle
unparalleled by any technology available or predicted today.

The IP address of www.bigspaceship1.com is 64.207.186.80, which also resolves to smartdust.com. If you enter the IP address or smartdust.com into a browser it brings up a blank page that has small black text that reads "Smartdust" - that's it. If you google Smartdust you get a buch of result about a study that was done that involved electonic devices (also called motes)that are a cubic millimeter in size. Some of what I found is below. This is a total waste of my time, but yet I keep doing it!!

The devices are also called motes and are intended to shrink down to the size of a grain of sand, or even a dust particle. Each device contains sensors, computing circuits, bidirectional wireless communications technology and a power supply. Motes would gather data, run computations and communicate using two-way band radio with other motes at distances approaching 1,000 feet (300 metres).



Motes? Jerry Pournelle (sci fi writer and occasional computer geek) wrote a book about motes...

The Mote in God's Eye, I believe.

O'my goodness there's an end. Just got finished reading all 318 pages of this thread. What a great read. I liked lost before this thread but man this thread has added so much to the show. Now comes the task of keeping up with it.

Are you serious? What a waste of time reading all that wild speculation and nonsense

I've been curious about the Dharma logo on the shark and the Dharma logo at the Swan station and what they have in common and how they differ, so I put them side-by-side and have attached it.

One thing is that they are negatives of each other.

The octagonal bar pattern just inside the outmost octagon appears to be consistent in that they're made up of a single long dash or two short dashes, which is binary in nature.

The logo on the shark was hard to see clearly, but on the Swan logo, every possible three-bar pattern is used while none repeat (8=2^3 (2-cubed)). I imagine some of the computer nerds here could tell us what it might say if all the single and double dash bars are converted into zeros and ones. I wonder if there's a correlation between the fact that there's eight of them and eight bits in a byte? If you assume the outer ring is the first byte, starting from the top you get 0-1-0-0-1-1-0-1 or 1-0-1-1-0-0-1-0, which has a hexadecimal equivalent. And so on...

I can't tell exactly what the shark's logo had on it, but it appears to be different. I wonder if we'll ever know?

http://www.luxony.com/webpics/Dharma_Logos_Shark_Film_cr.jpg

1) Could be a generic "DHARMA" logo that is not station specific (although if that were an option, you'd think that the generic foodstuffs would also utilize a common logo for all stations)

2) Could have an animal in the logo that we just can't see because of the poor contrast and/or the difficulty of applying a high resolution tatoo to a man-eating shark. :)

...and each ring, if you look at it that way, has twelve bars.

Are you serious? What a waste of time reading all that wild speculation and nonsense
The thread is informative and interesting from Wed (after the show) until about Friday morning.

After that, much of it is wasted bandwidth.

Still, up to each individual. If you like it, read it all.

Are you serious? What a waste of time reading all that wild speculation and nonsense

I did speed read most of it, and still took me over a week. I didn't read word for word each post, I just got caught up with the main points.

The thread is informative and interesting from Wed (after the show) until about Friday morning.

After that, much of it is wasted bandwidth.

Still, up to each individual. If you like it, read it all.
This has proven to be true for me as well, I don't even read them all anymore, I look for specific posters, read those and move on. Being on the left coast has the disadvantage of having pages and pages of posts before the show even airs here, so cherry picking ones to read has become the norm for me.

All this crap about that website is getting pretty a bit annoying as well..

I don't know if anyone has already posted this or not, I've searched and follow this forum as regularly as time will allow, but a buddy of mine at work and I were talking, and after the first two episodes he mentioned the idea that perhaps (scifi warning!) the plane had something happen to it that caused it to go back in time. After all, they never said the plane crashed in 2004, we all just assumed it did. It would explain how Desmond so easily 'recognized' Jack, as well as all of the equipment being so old.

Don't know if there's much to it, but I thought it an interesting idea.

Lost episodes are now availalbe for download with Apple's iTunes Music store. Wonder what size they are?

Chad

http://www.apple.com/itunes

I don't know if anyone has already posted this or not, I've searched and follow this forum as regularly as time will allow, but a buddy of mine at work and I were talking, and after the first two episodes he mentioned the idea that perhaps (scifi warning!) the plane had something happen to it that caused it to go back in time. After all, they never said the plane crashed in 2004, we all just assumed it did. It would explain how Desmond so easily 'recognized' Jack, as well as all of the equipment being so old.

Don't know if there's much to it, but I thought it an interesting idea.

I think at this point, anything is up in the air. Personally, my little fantasy is that the island is actually in the middle of the antarctic or perhaps north pole.

Lost episodes are now availalbe for download with Apple's iTunes Music store. Wonder what size they are?

Chad

http://www.apple.com/itunes
Interesting! They have Season 1, Ep 1 and Season 2, Episodes 1-3 available as individual downloads. They cost $1.99 each. I assume they will add each week during the season. Not a bad alternative if you miss a week.

Apple's website adds this info:

- Shop for music videos, Pixar shorts or ABC and Disney television episodes
- Buy videos for just $1.99
- Watch 20-second previews before you buy
- Download instantly to your iTunes library
- Watch in high-quality, H.264 QuickTime format
- Enjoy stutter-free playback, unlike streaming video
- Play videos on up to five computers
- Buy and send videos as gifts
- Shop for exclusive videos you won’t find anywhere else
- Organize videos into playlists

Currently, previewing the 20 sec of the show isn't happening. I'm sure this feature is just being enabled. Quicktime 7.03 and iTunes 6.0 were just released this afternoon for the Mac. Check versiontracker.com for the download (not showing up in Apple's Software Update yet).

I'm pretty sure Desmond has only been there a few years and wasn't part of the original staff. I don't recall if he said, but for some reason I've been figuring it was about 3 years before that his boat wrecked on the island during his solo race.

Interesting! They have Season 1, Ep 1 and Season 2, Episodes 1-3 available as individual downloads. They cost $1.99 each. I assume they will add each week during the season. Not a bad alternative if you miss a week.I wonder what kind of resolution you'll get on iTunes? Probably not so great to catch all the details some of our guys are finding.

Lost episodes are now availalbe for download with Apple's iTunes Music store. Wonder what size they are?
Just to mess around, I'm downloading Season 2, Ep 1 just to see what the quality is like.

Flyer1, do you have a file size? My download has slowed to a crawl. Down to 70KB/s or even as low as 15 KB/s. Not sure this is gonna finish when it is time for me to leave ...

Dang ... just about done, then get a download error, a problem with the Music Store.

Just to mess around, I'm downloading Season 2, Ep 1 just to see what the quality is like.

Downloaded the last episode. The quality is ok on my laptop at full screen, but there is no way it would look good if sent to a normal TV. But this is pretty cool that Steve Jobs got the studios to agree to downloading an episode the day after it airs! For those without a DVR, if you miss a show you can buy it for $2 - pretty cool.

The file size is 198MB.

I wonder what kind of resolution you'll get on iTunes? Probably not so great to catch all the details some of our guys are finding.

I believe they are native resolution to be played on the new iPod, 320 x 240.

TZ

The octagonal bar pattern just inside the outmost octagon appears to be consistent in that they're made up of a single long dash or two short dashes, which is binary in nature.

The logo on the shark was hard to see clearly, but on the Swan logo, every possible three-bar pattern is used while none repeat (8=2^3 (2-cubed)). I imagine some of the computer nerds here could tell us what it might say if all the single and double dash bars are converted into zeros and ones. I wonder if there's a correlation between the fact that there's eight of them and eight bits in a byte? If you assume the outer ring is the first byte, starting from the top you get 0-1-0-0-1-1-0-1 or 1-0-1-1-0-0-1-0, which has a hexadecimal equivalent. And so on...

I can't tell exactly what the shark's logo had on it, but it appears to be different. I wonder if we'll ever know?



If you read back several pages (I'll sumarize here to spare you the pain) there were a couple good links that relate to the Dharma logo in real life.

Apparently the octogon and outer lines of the symbol are very common in old Chinese philosphy, related to the ying and yang (which appears in the middle of their symbol) If you take a look at the first of the two links I will post you will find a surprise with the tie in to the numbers. I asked a few of my Chinese friends about the symbol and they all had a pretty similar "oh yea thats a very common thing in Chinese culture" but couldn't give me a great explaination of what exactly it was.

At any rate, here are the links (original credit goes to whoever found them and posted them like 30 pages ago (not me))

http://www.shaolinhungmei.org/theory2.html

http://members.aol.com/tig550908/i_hexagramkey.htm

I see little "buzz" regarding tonight's new episode of "Lost."

"Iteki..." it looks like there may be a "Kate & Jack Shower scene" during tonight's show!

Hmmm....the Dharma logo looks a little like an overhead view of a stadium, and Jack and Desmond met in a stadium, and people watch players in a stadium. So the "voices" are the observers of the experiments on the island and they are sitting in a stadium somewhere and able to observe all that goes on.

Or not.

It's humorous that the creators had no intention of making the "numbers" an issue of any real significance. Only after the online speculation and theories, after the first few episodes, did they decide to have a little fun with them.

I see little "buzz" regarding tonight's new episode of "Lost."

"Iteki..." it looks like there may be a "Kate & Jack Shower scene" during tonight's show!

Heck, I'd rather see a Kate-Sun shower scene :-)

It's humorous that the creators had no intention of making the "numbers" an issue of any real significance. Only after the online speculation and theories, after the first few episodes, did they decide to have a little fun with them.

Hmmmm, hadn't heard that before. Is that quote attributed to one or more of the producers? Those numbers sure did comprise a large part of the show's mythology during the first year... and even more this year. I'd like to think they planned it all from the start. (Or maybe I just don't want to believe they're just "winging it".)

Has anyone successfully downloaded an episode of Lost from iTunes yet?

If so, how big was the file? How long did it take? And have you watched any of it yet? I am assuming that they will play in the latest version of Quicktime. It is the h.264 format?

Thanks!

Has anyone successfully downloaded an episode of Lost from iTunes yet?

If so, how big was the file? How long did it take? And have you watched any of it yet? I am assuming that they will play in the latest version of Quicktime. It is the h.264 format?

Thanks!
I saw posts on this elsewhere. Episodes are $2 each. They are 200MB and are in H.264 format. Commercials removed.

This is a total waste of my time, but yet I keep doing it!!

Yeah, me too...

If you read back several pages (I'll sumarize here to spare you the pain) there were a couple good links that relate to the Dharma logo in real life.

Apparently the octogon and outer lines of the symbol are very common in old Chinese philosphy, related to the ying and yang (which appears in the middle of their symbol) If you take a look at the first of the two links I will post you will find a surprise with the tie in to the numbers. I asked a few of my Chinese friends about the symbol and they all had a pretty similar "oh yea thats a very common thing in Chinese culture" but couldn't give me a great explaination of what exactly it was.

At any rate, here are the links (original credit goes to whoever found them and posted them like 30 pages ago (not me))

http://www.shaolinhungmei.org/theory2.html

http://members.aol.com/tig550908/i_hexagramkey.htm

Well, I attempted to decipher the DHARMA logo using the I Ching Hexagram key, starting at the top and working around clockwise (8 sides = 4 pairs) and the result is:

64 TRANSITION
15 MODESTY
42 INCREASE
44 COMING TO MEET (ENCOUNTER)

Well this means nothing as far as I can tell.

Applying the same Hexagram key to the LOST numbers reveals:

4 IMMATURITY
8 HOLDING TOGETHER
15 MODESTY
16 ENTHUSIASM
23 SPLITTING APART (DISINTEGRATION)
42 INCREASE

If it means anything, and I doubt it, it could be the stages of development the characters on LOST progress through.

I should point out that even if this has no bearing on the show, the logo does indeed contain legitimate I Ching trigrams.

If you read back several pages (I'll sumarize here to spare you the pain) there were a couple good links that relate to the Dharma logo in real life.

Apparently the octogon and outer lines of the symbol are very common in old Chinese philosphy, related to the ying and yang (which appears in the middle of their symbol) If you take a look at the first of the two links I will post you will find a surprise with the tie in to the numbers. I asked a few of my Chinese friends about the symbol and they all had a pretty similar "oh yea thats a very common thing in Chinese culture" but couldn't give me a great explaination of what exactly it was.

At any rate, here are the links (original credit goes to whoever found them and posted them like 30 pages ago (not me))

http://www.shaolinhungmei.org/theory2.html

http://members.aol.com/tig550908/i_hexagramkey.htmThose are interesting links and the material has the appearance of being related, but in my mind their connection to the Dharma logo seems just as nebulous as my binary word theory. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that there is significance to the pattern of bars, nor would I be surprised if turns out to be something the producers just arbitrarily copied from somewhere. Maybe we'll see something tonight to change my mind.

lol "not if it wont help me get the laundry done" "actually it will" heh

oh and a new IBM commercial in HD :)

lmao it's the guy from road trip!!!!

I asked for no powdered sugar... :)

sweet here's bunker #2

looks like a locked cave though, nothing compared to the elctromagnetic facility

Didn't look like an animal logo for the 2nd (not necessarily #2 of 6) bunker unless maybe a vertical snake. Looked more like a double-ended arrow.

Anything interesting happen in the previews for next week? Dvr cut them off. Also, desmond would have basically starved to death in 3 months?????? maybe a new "refill' of food is due soon.

The preview showed Michael and Jin looking at the "Others" as they walked past them...supposedly

"Third" logo from the hatch was a swan.

Second Dharma logo on the shark was a horizontal line.

The one in the back plane bunker was a cross.

Any others?

All I have to say is WOW. I just watched my first show in HD on my Front Projector. Man was I missing out on this show. I've seen the other shows in SD on my little 27in. Wega.

Well, I attempted to decipher the DHARMA logo using the I Ching Hexagram key, starting at the top and working around clockwise (8 sides = 4 pairs) and the result is:

64 TRANSITION
15 MODESTY
42 INCREASE
44 COMING TO MEET (ENCOUNTER)

Well this means nothing as far as I can tell.

Applying the same Hexagram key to the LOST numbers reveals:

4 IMMATURITY
8 HOLDING TOGETHER
15 MODESTY
16 ENTHUSIASM
23 SPLITTING APART (DISINTEGRATION)
42 INCREASE

If it means anything, and I doubt it, it could be the stages of development the characters on LOST progress through.

I should point out that even if this has no bearing on the show, the logo does indeed contain legitimate I Ching trigrams.


I read the words, sense the meaning, but cannot put into words.

lmao it's the guy from road trip!!!!
I think he snuck into the open credits. DJ Squall appeared near the end. And AAA had first billing.

My DVR cut off the previews too. Maybe saw about 2 seconds of them.


What road trip?

the new kid!

Motes? Jerry Pournelle (sci fi writer and occasional computer geek) wrote a book about motes...

The Mote in God's Eye, I believe.

Vernor Vinge had something similar to the smartdust in his book A Deepness in the Sky.

All I have to say is WOW. I just watched my first show in HD on my Front Projector. Man was I missing out on this show. I've seen the other shows in SD on my little 27in. Wega.

Congratulations - you're gonna be lovin' it!

All I gotta say is I called that Rose's husband Bernard would still be alive. ;)

But of the 23 tail section people, I only counted 5 tonight. And based on the conversation, that may be all that is left. So, possibly, like the French chick, they had to put the others down, which would explain Anna's hard ass attitude. (Looks like she turns into putty in Sawyer's hands in the next episode, though, based on the preview.)

And did Walt have a teddy bear? I guess what I am asking is in the preview, was that Walt's teddy bear they showed?

http://img439.imageshack.us/img439/8012/yummy2mi.th.jpg (http://img439.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yummy2mi.jpg)

Yummy !!!

All I gotta say is I called that Rose's husband Bernard would still be alive. ;)

First (and damned accurate) speculation I could find about the husband actually being alive was:

from 12/28/04
Well, not exactly....

Remember the black woman sitting out by herself on the beach and Jack, ever the reluctant do-gooder, went out to comfort her? She mentioned that her husband, with her on the flight and [perhaps - can't quite remember] in the rear of the plane when it fell off, wasn't dead? And in a very matter-of-fact fashion.

There may be a second group of survivors from that section of the plane somewhere else on the island. If this show is going to continue on for years, depending on ratings, the writers may have created this sort of scenario to give them more dramatic possibilities as time goes on.

Hmmm... so I must be, so far, the only one that lost video feed at around the 34 minute mark when Jack and Sayid opened the hatch and I guess saw Kate showering? I recorded both the OTA and cable feed (I guess the cable feed is OTA anyway) and the video froze just as the hatch was opening, it didn't start up again until the jungle scene, but I could hear the audio...

Oh well, guess I missed some interesting scenes of Kate...

If it's possible, I felt like this was a "feel good" episode, a sort of calm before the storm. I liked how Hurley resolved his issues, and I chuckled when he complained about now having a "job".

What I find puzzling, and I don't recall seeing it mentioned here, is the fact that all the food comes in industrial food service sized cans. If it was intended to feed only one or two people the cans would be much smaller singe serving size. Why would they send 5 gallon cans of olives?

i'm sorry i got distracted, what happened after hurley wanted to blow up the food? did they just pass it all out or some and destroy the rest?

i'm sorry i got distracted, what happened after hurley wanted to blow up the food? did they just pass it all out or some and destroy the rest?

Rose probably told Hurley that based on their inventory, there wasn't enough food to feed 40 people for very long. There was enough for 1 man for 3 months. So they had a feast, noone went without, and Hurley was a hero.

Rose talked him out of it. Instead of rationing it and trying to make it last, Hurley decided to just go ahead and pass it all out now. Jack agreed with his decision and it was so.

And industrial sized containers makes sense, especially since it's being shipped to the island -- individual packaging just takes up more space / weight / costs more. . . The supplies could also have been from a depot that was to feed the entire island.

That they went from 23 to 5 definately makes it seem like they've had people getting sick. That would also explain the jail -- when the first person got sick, he'd need to be contained. You'd have 22 people to dig the pit too.

Rose talked him out of it. Instead of rationing it and trying to make it last, Hurley decided to just go ahead and pass it all out now. Jack agreed with his decision and it was so.

And industrial sized containers makes sense, especially since it's being shipped to the island -- individual packaging just takes up more space / weight / costs more. . . The supplies could also have been from a depot that was to feed the entire island.

That they went from 23 to 5 definately makes it seem like they've had people getting sick. That would also explain the jail -- when the first person got sick, he'd need to be contained. You'd have 22 people to dig the pit too.

Speaking of the pit, how cool was Sawyer's "B*tch" comment in the dark right before the LOST logo? Loved that!

the new kid!The New Guy (?) Looks like he's gonna take Hurley's lottery ticket from him.

First (and damned accurate) speculation I could find about the husband actually being alive was:

from 12/28/04
And just what page is that on? LOL

And just what page is that on? LOL
Page 88 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=4878454&&#post4878454) for me. Depends on how many posts per page of course.

23 survivors associated w/ 1 of 6 stations.
42 survivors associated w/ another.
how do the other 4 numbers relate to the other 4 stations?

23 survivors associated w/ 1 of 6 stations.
42 survivors associated w/ another.

Wow dude, has anyone ever thought of this, friggin amazing, very interesting...

sweet here's bunker #2

looks like a locked cave though, nothing compared to the elctromagnetic facility
Looks like they found the antichamber, but haven't gotten into the bunker proper...

~Dan

Didn't look like an animal logo for the 2nd (not necessarily #2 of 6) bunker unless maybe a vertical snake. Looked more like a double-ended arrow.
Arrows are used on weather maps, to indicate wind vectors (speed and direction)...perhaps the "meteorological" station? (Not one of the Hanso projects, but Dharma Initiative research mentioned in the Orientation film.)

~Dan

The one in the back plane bunker was a cross.

No, it was a vertical line or arrow. The horizontal line on the "cross" was the word "DHARMA"...

~Dan

Rose talked him out of it. Instead of rationing it and trying to make it last, Hurley decided to just go ahead and pass it all out now. Jack agreed with his decision and it was so.
It was like playing "Santa Claus" on Christmas morning...too cool! :)

~Dan

Motes? Jerry Pournelle (sci fi writer and occasional computer geek) wrote a book about motes...
Vernor Vinge had something similar to the smartdust in his book A Deepness in the Sky.
In The Third Policeman, the philosopher De Selby explains night as an "insanitary condition of the atmosphere due to accretions of black air." [emphasis mine]

~Dan

Very satisfying episode.

The New Guy (?) Looks like he's gonna take Hurley's lottery ticket from him.

I didn't get that vibe...he looked betrayed. All of the sudden things had changed and they weren't 'equals' anymore. he had quit his job and had nothing, yet Hugo had it all.

I didn't get that vibe...he looked betrayed. All of the sudden things had changed and they weren't 'equals' anymore. he had quit his job and had nothing, yet Hugo had it all.
That's the impression I got as well, Hurley's "bad luck" started even before he got the money..

I received this link to a screen cap of the new Logo in an email.

Check it out while the link still works.

http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=otherdharma7kn.jpg

Well I guess we are to believe Rose is definitely psychic, judging be her smile as soon as her husband was informed she was OK, and how she knew all along he was alive.

OK, so how long before someone markets the "Apollo" candy bar? 4,8, 15, 16,23 or 42 days?

I received this link to a screen cap of the new Logo in an email.

Check it out while the link still works.

http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=otherdharma7kn.jpg


FWIW... The I Ching trigrams are the same in this version of the logo as they are in the swan.

I didn't get that vibe...he looked betrayed. All of the sudden things had changed and they weren't 'equals' anymore. he had quit his job and had nothing, yet Hugo had it all.I was interpreting it much the same way. However, Hugo's buddy might be destined to become the first victim instead. He gets some money and then .... This might start the turn of events that causes him to believe the numbers are cursed.

On the other hand, the lottery sales places I've seen have far too many customers going through for a clerk to remember who purchased a winning ticket.

YMMV

First (and damned accurate) speculation I could find about the husband actually being alive was:

from 12/28/04

Do we know for sure that guy is her husband? We are led to believe it, sure, but is it?

LOST actor robbed:

HONOLULU (AP) - Josh Holloway and his wife reportedly were robbed at gunpoint in their home. There was no indication that the robber recognized the 36-year-old actor, who plays hunky con man Sawyer on the ABC castaway drama "Lost," television station KHON reported.

The robber rousted the couple from bed early Wednesday, took cash and credit cards and drove off in Holloway's Mercedes-Benz, which was found abandoned a short time later, the station said.

Honolulu police would not release any information on the robbery.

Holloway's agent did not immediately return a call to her Los Angeles office


link:

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20051013/D8D73D6G0.html

So what are everyone's thoughts on the comment Sayid made regarding all the concrete that had been poured down below the station? He said it reminded him of Chernobyl. At least we know where they get their power from now. Might the Chernobyl comment be related to the "incident" mentioned in the training film that caused the button pushing protocol to be instituted?

-Tony

I just can not envision trying to watch this show on a 2 1/2 inch screen.

YMMV

Do we know for sure that guy is her husband? We are led to believe it, sure, but is it?
You serious? I mean there are conspiracy theorists out there...but come on......I think some of you are thinking WAY too into this stuff.

Looks like she turns into putty in Sawyer's hands in the next episode, though, based on the preview.

Yes, and a week ago everyone thought Jin could speak english. Pretty hard to try to get much from the previews.

anyone think that the second group (with michael, jin and sawyer) may have been resorting to canabalism?? had 23, now it appears to be only a few left.
a possibility, especially when looking at the juxtaposition of the last scene- the bountiful feast for one while the second group decides who's next....

anyone think that the second group (with michael, jin and sawyer) may have been resorting to canabalism?? had 23, now it appears to be only a few left.
a possibility, especially when looking at the juxtaposition of the last scene- the bountiful feast for one while the second group decides who's next....
No, I think it was pretty clear that there are some "other" people or things out there that they are very afraid of.

Couple of items that I hadn't heard mentioned:

Kate is in the Chicken Shack getting a drink during one of the Hurley scenes
The boss that yells at Hurley is also the boss in Locke's flashback

Kate is in the Chicken Shack getting a drink during one of the Hurley scenes
...

I don't think that is Kate. The girl getting the drink looks Asian to me. Anyone else?

Rod319

Kate is in the Chicken Shack getting a drink during one of the Hurley scenesReally!? How'd I miss that? Did anyone get a screenshot?The boss that yells at Hurley is also the boss in Locke's flashbackI don't remember what that guy looked like. So the guy went from the Chicken Shack to the box company?

Props to you guys who figured there would be different logos for the different bunkers/divisions of DHARMA.

I agree there is no way the convenience store guy could know who got what numbers.

How about that hottie Starla (Marguerite Moreau)?
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/2321/BrianFOByr_Vespa_2061877_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Moreau,%20Marguerite&seq=6
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0238546/QD-136.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Moreau,%20Marguerite&seq=20

At first I thought the second group was the black group to the first group's white group. That was based on the way they treated the raft group and the fact that they already had the pit dug. But now I'm wondering if they are just over-paranoid because they've been the main target of the "others."

Where have I seen that blonde woman who introduced herself to Michael? IMDB shows "Flight Attendant" (Kimberley Joseph), but I don't think that's her. BTW, note that the Flight Attendant was in the pilot too.

It occurred to me that in hindsight it was probably dumb of the first group to not look for an alternate way into the hatch. Of course, they couldn't know it was an all-out bunker. But now that they do, and since they can't get into the other part through the concrete, doesn't it make sense that there would be a similar entrance (or more) to the blocked off portion?

Xesdeeni

I noticed that Hurley's boss was Locke's boss also. Made a little more sense when I remembered that Hurley said he owned a box company in season 1. Must have hired his manager to run it for him.

Someone on the radio today said that they saw Shannon in the CD store, anyone else notice that?

First (and damned accurate) speculation I could find about the husband actually being alive was:

from 12/28/04

Ah, my first real contribution to the thread; remember it well! (didn't suspect he would be a white guy, though) There was another one: I believe I might have been the first to suggest the "black cloud" security system is actually a fog of airborn nano-bots, although several others have picked up on that one too. I'm pretty sure that will turn out to be accurate; it's the only possible non-paranormal explanation that I can even fathom.

Some thoughts on last night's episode:
1)The new bunker is likely called "The Arrow". Maybe there's an orientation film for that one too that we'll be able to see in a future ep? More answers / more questions.
2)The logo on the shark was too fuzzy to make out, but could it have been The Arrow also? Don't remember the Dharma logo-word spelled out across it's middle. But probably not; it likely belongs to the zoology bunker group and they'll have a different logo; we'll get a better look at it later.
3)The walled off section of The Swan bunker - could it be radioactive as Sayid mentioned? Could that be why folks get sick? Or is it some kind of newfangled electro-magnetic power source that went critical and needed to be walled off?
4)Rose has psychic abilities, like Walt. Will The Others eventually want her too, or is she too old to be of use to them?
5)No Shannon, hardly any Kate. 'Bout time for a Kate flashback! :)

Where have I seen that blonde woman who introduced herself to Michael? IMDB shows "Flight Attendant" (Kimberley Joseph), but I don't think that's her. BTW, note that the Flight Attendant was in the pilot too.


Cynthia Watros - the girlfriend on the sitcom "Titus".

You serious? I mean there are conspiracy theorists out there...but come on......I think some of you are thinking WAY too into this stuff.


you're right. So far the story has been presented very straightforward. :rolleyes:

Doesn't look like Kate in the Chicken joint.

Doesn't look like Shannon in the CD joint.

Cynthia Watros - the girlfriend on the sitcom "Titus".Yeah, that's her, but I've never seen Titus. She was in the Drew Carey show. Weird that she actually had a line in last night's episode, but she didn't get credit on IMDB (or TV.com) either. SAG would not be pleased :-)

Xesdeeni

edit: Oops, missed the reference to Drew Carey on IMDB.

CP - I noticed a drop out of indeterminate length when our guys first entered The Arrow bunker "main room" with Anna, et.al. It seemed to jump forward to the point where they were talking about how few people there were left. I was watching on TWC here in Charlotte. Did you (or anyone else) see this dropout as well? Wondering what I missed....

23 survivors associated w/ 1 of 6 stations.
42 survivors associated w/ another.
how do the other 4 numbers relate to the other 4 stations?


how many were in Rousseau's party ? The area where should attempted to torture Sayid in S1, could that have been one of the other bunkers ?

powerball is up to $290M. who's gonna play THE NUMBERS?

How about that hottie Starla (Marguerite Moreau)?
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/2321/BrianFOByr_Vespa_2061877_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Moreau,%20Marguerite&seq=6

that's naveen andrews (sayid) on the right in that picture. who's the guy on the left?

That's the impression I got as well, Hurley's "bad luck" started even before he got the money..

so what does everything happened with the girl that Hurley asked out before he cashed his ticket ?

I was interpreting it much the same way. However, Hugo's buddy might be destined to become the first victim instead. He gets some money and then .... This might start the turn of events that causes him to believe the numbers are cursed.

On the other hand, the lottery sales places I've seen have far too many customers going through for a clerk to remember who purchased a winning ticket.

YMMV

I guess a guy like Hurley is hard to "miss"

CP - I noticed a drop out of indeterminate length when our guys first entered The Arrow bunker "main room" with Anna, et.al. It seemed to jump forward to the point where they were talking about how few people there were left. I was watching on TWC here in Charlotte. Did you (or anyone else) see this dropout as well? Wondering what I missed....

Didn't have any dropouts last night.

They walk in the bunker, down the corridor, get to the main room and look at the few people in there as Anna bends over tending to someone. After a few seconds, Michael says "I thought you said there were 23 of them" and (Watros) replies "There were".

Don't think you missed much, if any.

that's naveen andrews (sayid) on the right in that picture. who's the guy on the left?

Since the bottom of the page says: Brian F. O'Byrne, Naveen Andrews, Marguerite Moreau

I'm going to guess it's Brian F. O'Byrne.

Didn't have any dropouts last night.

They walk in the bunker, down the corridor, get to the main room and look at the few people in there as Anna bends over tending to someone. After a few seconds, Michael says "I thought you said there were 23 of them" and (Watros) replies "There were".

Don't think you missed much, if any.


you forgot to mention that Rose's husband Bernard introduced himself to Michael Sawyer & Jin in that bunker, he asked if they knew Rose and if she was ok

Ah, my first real contribution to the thread; remember it well! (didn't suspect he would be a white guy, though) There was another one: I believe I might have been the first to suggest the "black cloud" security system is actually a fog of airborn nano-bots, although several others have picked up on that one too. I'm pretty sure that will turn out to be accurate; it's the only possible non-paranormal explanation that I can even fathom.

Some thoughts on last night's episode:
1)The new bunker is likely called "The Arrow". Maybe there's an orientation film for that one too that we'll be able to see in a future ep? More answers / more questions.
2)The logo on the shark was too fuzzy to make out, but could it have been The Arrow also? Don't remember the Dharma logo-word spelled out across it's middle. But probably not; it likely belongs to the zoology bunker group and they'll have a different logo; we'll get a better look at it later.
3)The walled off section of The Swan bunker - could it be radioactive as Sayid mentioned? Could that be why folks get sick? Or is it some kind of newfangled electro-magnetic power source that went critical and needed to be walled off?
4)Rose has psychic abilities, like Walt. Will The Others eventually want her too, or is she too old to be of use to them?
5)No Shannon, hardly any Kate. 'Bout time for a Kate flashback! :)Evageline Lily must "love" those weeks when she looks at the upcoming episode and finds out her character has just a shower/dressed-in-towel scene to do! ;)

So the Island is basically a BIG magnet and on one side people get sick while on the other individuals remain healthy?

My impression was of the 23 in the tail section who survived, those missing either became sick and joined or were taken by the "others."

There appears to be a 2nd bunker... that was abandoned long ago.

In this day and age of anything goes... it was not surprising to find out that Rose' husband is white, but it was a nice little twist.

It seems there are at least (3) and perhaps (4) distinct camps on the Island. Our two groups of survivors and the individuals who kidnapped Walt who may or may not turn out to be the "others."

So how the hell can Sayid predict that the concrete is 8 to 10 feet thick? That dude has some mad skillz, as the younguns would say. No wonder we're having so much trouble over in Iraq if thats how well trained they all are. Besides, I don't think they just poured concrete on Chernobyl, they built a concrete building around it.

I meant to post this before, but I think that picture of Hanso looks like Super Dave Osborne, which might explain why they had a little "incident" with their experiment.

you forgot to mention that Rose's husband Bernard introduced himself to Michael Sawyer & Jin in that bunker, he asked if they knew Rose and if she was ok

That was a different scene at the end of the show.

In this day and age of anything goes... it was not surprising to find out that Rose' husband is white, but it was a nice little twist.

Maybe my imagination just made the assumption, but when she saw his "ghost" standing on the edge of the forest, I thought he was black.

Or did we never actually see her "see" her husband?

Didn't have any dropouts last night.

They walk in the bunker, down the corridor, get to the main room and look at the few people in there as Anna bends over tending to someone. After a few seconds, Michael says "I thought you said there were 23 of them" and (Watros) replies "There were".

Don't think you missed much, if any.


Actually it appeared to me as if Anna was drinking water from a leak or puddle of some kind...Dunno what it was, but it appeared like she cupped some water in her hand to drink it. Maybe this is how they all got sick?....Can anyone confirm she's drinking?...

New to the show.

Assume the nuclear reference this week has tie in with the button push. When trying to figure out what that tie in is I was reminded, as I usually am when contemplating anything, of a Simpsons episode. ;-)

The one where Homer gets his weight up over 300lbs so he can work from home. One of his jobs is pushing a button to vent the reactors. When asked if he wants to vent he selects "no" at first. Then his computer tells him "venting prevents explosion". He then selects "yes".

Believe it or not, we've actually made reference to that exact episode of The Simpsons earlier in the thread - but not the part that had to do with the reactor.

Yes, and a week ago everyone thought Jin could speak english. Pretty hard to try to get much from the previews.

Yeah they hoodwinked me with that one.

Weird thing though...why was Jin beat up in Hurley's 'dream'? Are they trying to imply that Hurley is sensing Jin from across the island, or did they just forget to remove his 'ass whupped' makeup? ;-)

On the other hand, the lottery sales places I've seen have far too many customers going through for a clerk to remember who purchased a winning ticket.

YMMV


I think alot of people would remember Hurley :-) But would they remember that he used those numbers?

It's possible that the Lotto commission told the store what day/time it was bought, and they checked their tapes.

Speaking of the Jin dream sequence...who was the Indian guy in the chicken suit?

Has Dr. Marvin Candle's left arm been discussed here yet?

Has Dr. Marvin Candle's left arm been discussed here yet?

Don't think so, although I noticed it didn't seem to move at all. Disability?

A couple of things from me. Probably discussed already but the Walt backwards statement "Push the button... No button bad", I'm assuming this would be the "Execute" button and the "no button bad" meaning if "no button" .... BAD!!!! Of course so far Shannon has nothing to do with the bunker so why is it that he tells her.

Secondly.... I've looked really hard and still not certain, but is the "MISSING" child on Hurleys milk carton Walt, or at least a look-a-like just to make us look???

I received this link to a screen cap of the new Logo in an email.

Check it out while the link still works.

http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=otherdharma7kn.jpg

Probably insignificant, but the outer octagonal ring in this bunker's logo is segmented, not solid.

The "arrow" could represent a compass needle.

Secondly.... I've looked really hard and still not certain, but is the "MISSING" child on Hurleys milk carton Walt, or at least a look-a-like just to make us look???

Looks like Walt to me. (as soon as he sees Jin)

Forgot how much I laughed, until I just saw it again, when Sawyer tells Michael that "Gun's only got one bullet, she ain't gonna waste it on..." BAM - he gets clocked in the back of the head with a rock. :D

I liked it. I agree, nice twist on Rose's husband. I don't believe his "ghost" was one of the season 1 apparitions. I'm guessing hte chicken suit thing had something to do with Hurley's old job. I will have to admit something... I'm tired of Locke. Honestly. I hope he dies soon. Also, I'm fairly convinced that the hobitt is back on the pipeweed, if you know what I mean. He was incredibly manic all show, and we know he has a lifetime supply available...

And we need some sex on this island. Jack should have simply used the famous line from "American Pie"... "Do you need a hand with that?" ;)

Wasn't the chicken suit guy the same guy as the convinience store clerk who said "that's the guy!" ???

I think alot of people would remember Hurley :-) But would they remember that he used those numbers?

It's possible that the Lotto commission told the store what day/time it was bought, and they checked their tapes. I can believe that ....

So, the Jin dream sequence was a given possibly, to explain why Jin was speaking english, BUT, I don't recall him SAYING the things that he actually SAID in the preview LAST week? Is there more dream sequence to come?

Looks like Walt to me. (as soon as he sees Jin)

I find that interesting. So Hurley is dreaming and has Walt missing on a milk carton, but he CAN'T KNOW Walt is missing, they don't know the fate of the raft folk yet.

He also sees Jin beat up, reflecting his current condition. He can't know that either.

And somehow he speaks Korean in his dream. :-)

There was someone on the board last year who spoke Korean. Was Hurley really speaking Korean?

I will have to admit something... I'm tired of Locke. Honestly. I hope he dies soon.

Oh no! :eek: Locke is integral to the main plot thread; he is the "Man of Faith"; Jack is the "Man of Science". Their conflict creates lots of dramatic possibilities. Besides, I like Locke. :)

Also, I'm fairly convinced that the hobitt is back on the pipeweed, if you know what I mean. He was incredibly manic all show, and we know he has a lifetime supply available...

Heroin doesn't make you manic; it's a big-time depressant - turns you into a happy vegetable, as I understand it. Charlie will re-visit the smack, I'm sure, in a future episode centered on him w/ flashback. For now, his willpower seems to be holding. But we all know he ain't no Jack Bauer. ;)

So, the Jin dream sequence was a given possibly, to explain why Jin was speaking english, BUT, I don't recall him SAYING the things that he actually SAID in the preview LAST week? Is there more dream sequence to come?

He said it last night. "Things are gonna change"

The first time he said it, it was a wide shot, but then he repeated it in the same close-up we saw in the preview with just a bit of the yellow chicken head in view.

I find that interesting. So Hurley is dreaming and has Walt missing on a milk carton, but he CAN'T KNOW Walt is missing, they don't know the fate of the raft folk yet.

Could just be his mind "filling in the blanks". You need a missing kid on the milk carton, and Walt is the only kid in the forefront of his mind - and he's no longer there.

Any comments on my earlier post regarding Anna drinking water when they reached the bunker?

As mentioned before,

23 survivors in one side of the island
42 survivors in the other side.
18 of the 23 survivors are presumed dead or missing ?

This is a numbers game <G>

Wasn't the chicken suit guy the same guy as the convinience store clerk who said "that's the guy!" ???

Yes, it was.
FYI, "Starla" was on the recent ABC cancelled show "Life as we know it". She played a real hottie teacher having an affair with one of her students.

As for the dream sequence, I think the only significant thing was Jin's words, "Everything's going to change," repeated twice. The title of last night's episode was "Everybody Hates Hugo." Those two statements would have been true had Hurley rationed the food, like Jack wanted. Everything would have changed, and everyone would have hated Hugo. Since Hurley didn't ration the food, but played Santa, things didn't change much, and people still loved Hugo. The weird chicken suit, Hurley speaking in Korean, Walt on the milk carton (which I missed), I don't think those will be important in the story.

What a riot the way Hurley ate that steak! Pick it up and dip it in your mashed potatoes!

The guy in the chicken suite is the one who sold the lottery ticket to Hurley.

http://lostshark.ytmnd.com/ Shark Logo is different so the arrow is the third one we have seen.

Hurley and Locke's boss (Randy) played by the same actor.



Added pic
EDIT: Dharma logo on plane was talked about on page 315

Just a great episode!

Anyone notice we didn't see Walt this episode? I heard he's had an indredible growth spurt and the writers/directors are having a hard time dealing with it.

Anyone notice we didn't see Walt this episode? I heard he's had an indredible growth spurt and the writers/directors are having a hard time dealing with it.

Don't they have pills to prevent that, like they used to give all the gymnasts. "Here's your gold medal, you may grow breasts now" :D

powerball is up to $290M. who's gonna play THE NUMBERS?


If you play "the numbers" and win, you'll be lucky if your share is $290K. I'd bet even less.

Was it in the previews for next week or a background statement in last night's episode where someone said "You don't know what they're capable of"? It implies that maybe some of the 18 didn't get sick but were killed or taken by the others. Also, someone made the statement that one side of the island (the back of the plane side) was where people were getting sick, but on the other side people were healthy. But Kelvin (sp?) got sick in the bunker, and Desmond was taking medicine for something, so it doesn't sound like the sickness is limited to one side or the other.

Was it in the previews for next week or a background statement in last night's episode where someone said "You don't know what they're capable of"? It implies that maybe some of the 18 didn't get sick but were killed or taken by the others. Also, someone made the statement that one side of the island (the back of the plane side) was where people were getting sick, but on the other side people were healthy. But Kelvin (sp?) got sick in the bunker, and Desmond was taking medicine for something, so it doesn't sound like the sickness is limited to one side or the other.

or the missing became part of the "others" after they got sick

I'm beginning to think the script page from http://www.oceanicflight815.com/ is legit.

One thing worth mentioning is it seemed to me Locke was getting all the weapons "Locke-d and loaded." :rolleyes:

Now that they have all those weapons and a nice supply of food, they should go on a hike looking for the "others."

If you guys want to post anything from any of the official ABC websites that wasn't part of the show or previews - use the spoiler thread.

Thinking about the Logos wouldn't it make more sense that the one for electromagnetism would be the arrow and the swan for zoology?

Why are my posts getting deleted?

I'm beginning to think the script page from http://www.oceanicflight815.com/ is legit.

If you're referring to the Michael, Jin, Walt scene, it's possible but I doubt it. It could be another dream, or an attempt to throw us off. I think the other script page about the monster turned out to be false, right?

We predicted what would happen at the end of last season, they would blow the hatch and the season would be over. Totally predictable.

My prediction is that this season will end by the timer running out with nobody pressing the button. Also, somebody will get sick, and another will be faced with the dilemna of shooting a close friend or family member. Charlie/Claire, Sayid/Shannon, Walt/Michael, etc. It's only a matter of time now before someone gets sick.

Why are my posts getting deleted?

See Post #9660

If you guys want to post anything from any of the official ABC websites that wasn't part of the show or previews - use the spoiler thread.

How is speculation, spoiling? That's what we've all been doing here?

NVM... I know there are some very sensitive to "Spoilers," so I won't post images, but it's just odd that we speculate non-stop in words, just can't do it in images.

I'm beginning to think the script page from http://www.oceanicflight815.com/ is legit.
what makes you think that? As soon as i seen it was a dream last night, i assumed the 'script' was a fake. I thought that from day one actually, but last night pretty much locked it for me.

A picture, text, or video from an official ABC site isn't speculation.

A picture, text, or video from an official ABC site isn't speculation.

Well, I disagree with you on that, but I won't post any files to keep the specul.....spoilers out of the thread.

Are we going to have another 10 page discussion of what's a spoiler?

Mntneer, why don't you read back over the summer discussions if you want to know why your posts were deleted.

If it wasn't in the show or the previews, post it in the spoiler thread, not here.

Moving on..................

what makes you think that? As soon as i seen it was a dream last night, i assumed the 'script' was a fake. I thought that from day one actually, but last night pretty much locked it for me.

I've never had a dream where I dreamed a langauge I didn't know.

If Hurley is dreaming in Korean some, then I'm beginning to think that people will start to change on the island, and maybe they'll start to pick up new traits. This week's preview for next week had Walt and Jin apparently hiding from the "Others," so maybe next week they get seperated, find another bunker and are being chased. We know one bunker was heavily armed... maybe they find another one heavily armed and in two weeks have it out.

Are we going to have another 10 page discussion of what's a spoiler?

Mntneer, why don't you read back over the summer discussions if you want to know why your posts were deleted.

If it wasn't in the show or the previews, post it in the spoiler thread, not here.

Moving on..................

I've been reading the thread for a long time now, and like I said, I think it's speculation (IMHO, a Spoiler is something we know WILL happen, not think), you may disagree, but to keep people happy I won't post files.

A picture cannot be speculation. Things cannot speculate, people do.

I've never had a dream where I dreamed a langauge I didn't know.

If Hurley is dreaming in Korean some, then I'm beginning to think that people will start to change on the island, and maybe they'll start to pick up new traits. This week's preview for next week had Walt and Jin apparently hiding from the "Others," so maybe next week they get seperated, find another bunker and are being chased. We know one bunker was heavily armed... maybe they find another one heavily armed and in two weeks have it out.
yea good point, i forgot that hurly actually spoke korean (assuming it was actually korean, can anybody verify??). If we were watching his dream, and he was actually speaking korean in his dream then yea, thats pretty significant. Even if he's not speaking it when he's awake, he somehow knows korean now.

Yes, it was.
FYI, "Starla" was on the recent ABC cancelled show "Life as we know it". She played a real hottie teacher having an affair with one of her students.

THAT'S where she's from. thanks. that was bugging me that i couldn't recall where i'd seen her before.

I'm beginning to wonder even more about the whole "polarity" issue that has been mentioned before so many times (yin yang, light dark, black white). In the hatch they've found what appears to be an electromagnetic source. Magnets have positive and negative polarity - two sides - push and pull. Meanwhile, the new survivors (back half of the plane) seem to be living an entirely different existence than the main folks we've come to know. The "back halfers" seem aggressive, violent and paranoid, where the originals seem pretty much peaceful and cooperative.

I also payed extra attention to the fact that Locke was checking the rifles. They have shown the weapons several times since the hatch was found and I have to believe that they are there for a reason (in terms of the show - not in terms of the hatch).

We know of three groups right now: the original front half survivors, the back half survivors, and the "others". I'm wondering who the rifles are going to be used against...

Have we found out for certain if the large black man who roughed up Sawyer, Mike, and Jin (don't know his name) was on the plane or not? I'm thinking he could be a person like Ethan was for mid-section survivors. In other words, does Anna, Bernard, and the gang think he is a plane survivor? Could be an interesting twist in an episode to come if they think he is a plane survivor but he is not. For now they seem to be portraying him as a tail section survivor, are they not?

We know of three groups right now: the original front half survivors, the back half survivors, and the "others". I'm wondering who the rifles are going to be used against...

There's not even an inkling that the rear survivors will become enemies of the front survivors. At some point, they'll have to join together. The Others are a common enemy to both.

Who was manning the button while they were all feasting on the beach??

2 Redshirters. Locke's job included "convincing people to push the button without telling them why" so the 2 man crews will likely include survivors outside the handful keeping the overall info secret (except for Locke ;) )

I also payed extra attention to the fact that Locke was checking the rifles. They have shown the weapons several times since the hatch was found and I have to believe that they are there for a reason (in terms of the show - not in terms of the hatch).

We know of three groups right now: the original front half survivors, the back half survivors, and the "others". I'm wondering who the rifles are going to be used against...

Well, I know I'd hate to be a boar on that island now.

There's not even an inkling that the rear survivors will become enemies of the front survivors. At some point, they'll have to join together. The Others are a common enemy to both.

True I suppose, but if there isn't a good reason for the writers to have kept them separate, then why bother to include them at all? there must be something significant to there being a second (third, fourth?) group. It must turn out that the original group either NEEDS the new group for something, or that they will end up being AGAINST the new group.

Then again, there seem to only be about five of them left, so perhaps they will simply be the bearers of further information about "the others" and the second hatch.

Well, I know I'd hate to be a boar on that island now.

I think they all probably already headed for the hills the minute they saw Hurley. :)

yea good point, i forgot that hurly actually spoke korean (assuming it was actually korean, can anybody verify??).

Yes, it was Korean, spoken as a true non-Korean (badly). That scene had to have been geared toward all of us & the umpteen millions of other fans who speculate about everything. Pretty sly on their part.

If he was dreaming that he could speak Korean, they would represent it that way when we saw it. Doesn't necessarily mean he can actually speak it.

Believe it or not, we've actually made reference to that exact episode of The Simpsons earlier in the thread - but not the part that had to do with the reactor.

Too funny. Can honestly say I haven't seen that post. I have only checked this thread last week and this week and have only gone back a couple pages. Have not seen even one episode from season one either.

Well under the assumption that there are no coincidences, I'd say it's obvious that we all need to study "King-Size Homer" to find the true secrets to 'Lost'

Link to King Size Homer (http://www.snpp.com/episodes/3F05.html)

If he was dreaming that he could speak Korean, they would represent it that way when we saw it. Doesn't necessarily mean he can actually speak it.

Good point. The little bits he did speak were very short & could easily have been subconciously remembered/overheard, then just reiterated in his dream.

Have we found out for certain if the large black man who roughed up Sawyer, Mike, and Jin (don't know his name) was on the plane or not?
The wildest speculation I've read is that he could be a descendant of the slaves from Black Rock, the slave ship. They could be the first group of survivors to have landed on the island. You could understand why they'd be wary of all the white people that keep showing up out of nowhere.

Too funny. Can honestly say I haven't seen that post. I have only checked this thread last week and this week and have only gone back a couple pages. Have not seen even one episode from season one either.

Our previous reference was to Homer "Tripling his productivity" entering "Y" instead of "YES" on the keyboard.

I think they all probably already headed for the hills the minute they saw Hurley. :)

Fat man... island setting... wild boars....


Yeah... I smell a pig pit. :p

Speaking of the pit, how cool was Sawyer's "B*tch" comment in the dark right before the LOST logo? Loved that! That was great!

Yes, and a week ago everyone thought Jin could speak english. Pretty hard to try to get much from the previews. I was suspecting it was a "plant" by the producers all last week. I'm glad they at least figured a way to incorporate the preview "clip" into the actual show though because I had thought that they may have used a sound bite from outside the show for it, which IMO would have been "breaking the rules" and too blatant. As some others have already said, I now suspect the whole dream sequence was just a bit of fun for the producers and although there will likely be other "connections" to it, it ultimately will have no consequence to the story line.

Where have I seen that blonde woman who introduced herself to Michael? IMDB shows "Flight Attendant" (Kimberley Joseph), but I don't think that's her. BTW, note that the Flight Attendant was in the pilot too.Cynthia Watros - the girlfriend on the sitcom "Titus". Yeah, that's her, but I've never seen Titus. She was in the Drew Carey show. Weird that she actually had a line in last night's episode, but she didn't get credit on IMDB (or TV.com) either. SAG would not be pleased :-)Hmmm, I'm confused (not that that's hard to do...) but how did we come up with Cynthia Watros here? Was she in the credits or something? I didn't really recognize her as the girl I remember from Titus. I think it was Kimberly Joseph as billed.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1053801438839_2003/05/28/Kim,0.jpg
http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/clockwork/556/ij--A_to_K/ij--Kimberley_Joseph/Detail-kim17-jpg.html

IMDB seems to confirm as pointed out too. And besides, while I was eating dinner last night I saw her interviewed on ET about being on the show ;).

So, am I the only one that's been thinking there may be some "tension" between Kate and Anna coming up? I mean, we've already seen that Kate has shown attraction to both Sawyer and Jack. Anna was hitting on Jack at the airport and now we see from the previews that she may get something going with Sawyer... Could make for some interesting plot lines (or sidelines anyway). Along with that, who does everybody think would take the cat fight between the two? At this point I'd have to say Anna in hand to hand with no weapons, but I'd have to go with Kate if weapons were allowed :D.


ron

One thing worth mentioning is it seemed to me Locke was getting all the weapons "Locke-d and loaded." :rolleyes:

Now that they have all those weapons and a nice supply of food, they should go on a hike looking for the "others."


From the conversation, it seemed to me more like Locke was preparting to force poeple to take their shifts and press the button.

Chad

Anyone notice we didn't see Walt this episode? I heard he's had an indredible growth spurt and the writers/directors are having a hard time dealing with it.

The actor who played Walt was on one of those Access Hollywood type shows last night. He didn't look much different. I think that growth spurt rumor was made up by fans.

The kid didn't say anything spoiler-worthy, so there's no cause to go deleting my post, thank you very much.

Not mentioned yet - I think, but when Hurley dipped the dream steak into the dream potatoes and started eating them, my wife and I laughed. We replayed it about five times.

We know of three groups right now: the original front half survivors, the back half survivors, and the "others". I'm wondering who the rifles are going to be used against...


4 groups of people.
8 people in the "others" (speculation)
15 or 16 people with the French chick (I think they said, but I forgot which one)
23 back half survivors
42 front half survivors


Man, I was so close to having an epiphany, but it looks like one number is missing (either 15 or 16).

Maybe the french chicks group was 16 including her, but 15 of them died? :eek: ;)

Man it's fun playing with the numbers! :D

The best parts from yesterday were Hurley dipping the steak, and Sawyer getting hit by the rock. I had tears in my eyes after the rock.

Regarding Hugo's Korean... Yes, he was speaking decent Korean and I'd say he sometimes sounded better than Jin/Daniel. :p Though... It might be just my imagination, but Jin's Korean seemed to have improved a bit.

Regarding the "reduced" back-plane group... Seeing what happened to the front-plane group with the food, for example, I thought it was possible that when the back-plane group found their bunker and the food, maybe they tried to ration them and fight broke out. A different choice and a different outcome.

However, the back-plane group's hostility could be also from dealing with "The Others", so I'll have to keep watching. :)

Hong.

Was the music playing during the "thankgiving" feast an original piece or does someone know what it is? I thought it was a pretty catchy ditty, well-arranged.

Thank god they pruned down the back half people. Now we only have to worry about 6 more back stories ;). Interesting to speculate the big guy was a descendant from the slave ship. Certainly could be true. Maybe the "Others" are slavers? But if it is true, then how come no one noticed them when they were building this big island adventure? ;)

Hmmm, I'm confused (not that that's hard to do...) but how did we come up with Cynthia Watros here? Was she in the credits or something? I didn't really recognize her as the girl I remember from Titus. I think it was Kimberly Joseph as billed.

I knew she was going to join the cast eventually, and easily recognized her when I saw her.

She was in the opening credits - the last name put up.

About the whole Hurley dream sequence and the reference to Korean, there might be truth to that.

Anyone remember the first season inside Jin's apartment the television was running in the background (right before we found out about Hurley winning the lottery)? Hurley was on thier television set. I couldn't make out what "show" he was on, but that was Hurley. Could it have been a syndicated show? Or was he doing something in Korean?

Man this thread moves fast! I need to go back and see if someone has mentioned this.

Cynthia Watros:

http://cynthiawatros.tripod.com/jpeg/watros-com-pic-005.jpg

I think the whole Hurley thing on TV in Korea was due to the jackpot being so large that it was international news.

Or, maybe we'll find out later that one of the companies he bought was in Korea... But if I remember correctly, someone translated it and it was just referenceing the lotttery.

Any thoughts on whether the back-plane group's bunker is on the other side of the cemented wall, since Jack and Sayid go not go around or through it. Or is it a separate bunker altogether?

anyone think that the second group (with michael, jin and sawyer) may have been resorting to canabalism?? had 23, now it appears to be only a few left.
a possibility, especially when looking at the juxtaposition of the last scene- the bountiful feast for one while the second group decides who's next....

Funny, I thought the same thing, and felt like Sawyer, Mike and Jin are next in line for dinner!

the closest thing to Chinese take-out they've seen in over a month. :eek:

With all the wildlife and fruits available, I doubt they'd have resorted to cannibalism.

I received this link to a screen cap of the new Logo in an email.

Check it out while the link still works.

http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=otherdharma7kn.jpgWas this from one of the frames of the show? I freeze-framed all views of it on the DVR last night and never got that good a look at it.

Interesting to note that not only is the outer octagon broken, but the inner circle is as well. There's got to be some kind of significance to that.

Funny, I thought the same thing, and felt like Sawyer, Mike and Jin are next in line for dinner!

Anyone ever read the short story The Lottery, by Shirley Jackson? Could be something like that, but the "winner" could be the main course.

4 groups of people.
8 people in the "others" (speculation)
15 or 16 people with the French chick (I think they said, but I forgot which one)
23 back half survivors
42 front half survivors


Man, I was so close to having an epiphany, but it looks like one number is missing (either 15 or 16).

Maybe the french chicks group was 16 including her, but 15 of them died? :eek: ;)

Man it's fun playing with the numbers! :DI'm not sure how everyone is coming up with 42 survivors from the mid-section? Why did Locke tell Desmond that there were 43 survivors but 4 left on a raft? Do we count the Marshall that died after the crash? How 'bout the guy who was sucked into one of the turbines? Is Boone counted among the survivors that Locke referred to, and if not, when did he no longer count? Then we have Claire's baby and anybody can guess when that starts to count.

There are enough other intriquing relationships to the "numbers" without having to stretch them into a survivor count. I just don't see a good correlation between the "numbers" and the number of survivors, which has and may continue to be dynamic.

Any thoughts on whether the back-plane group's bunker is on the other side of the cemented wall, since Jack and Sayid go not go around or through it. Or is it a separate bunker altogether?
I do not think the two bunkers are that close. Main reason being is you can use most of the season before the two groups find each other.

the closest thing to Chinese take-out they've seen in over a month. :eek:

With all the wildlife and fruits available, I doubt they'd have resorted to cannibalism.Because of the facial reaction I had an initial fleeting thought of cannibalism, but I don't see it with this group of people. They would have plenty of other food and some of their number may have already been depleted by encounters with The Others. I would lean toward the remaining dead getting "sick" rather than eaten by their own.

I'm not sure how everyone is coming up with 42 survivors from the mid-section? Why did Locke tell Desmond that there were 43 survivors but 4 left on a raft? Do we count the Marshall that died after the crash? How 'bout the guy who was sucked into one of the turbines? Is Boone counted among the survivors that Locke referred to, and if not, when did he no longer count? Then we have Claire's baby and anybody can guess when that starts to count.

There are enough other intriquing relationships to the "numbers" without having to stretch them into a survivor count. I just don't see a good correlation between the "numbers" and the number of survivors, which has and may continue to be dynamic.

Maybe Locke wasn't telling the truth. Maybe there were only 42 survivors. Maybe all of them weren't on the plane.

Anybody else find it interesting that Sun burried the message bottle almost like it was symbolizing the death of the crew on the raft? I'm not sure she really believes that, but the thought crossed my mind. Maybe she viewed the message bottle as their most realistic hope of getting help and the return of it represented the death of that hope.

I knew she was going to join the cast eventually, and easily recognized her when I saw her.

She was in the opening credits - the last name put up.Ahhh, see? I was confused! :). Although I can't seem to get your pic link to work, I looked through he gallery on the LOST web site for last nights ep and there's a couple pics of her with Michael. I didn't recognize her during the show at all... I thought we were talking about the girl in the bunker (the one who says "there used to be" when asked about the number of people in their group IIRC) who I think is Kimberly Joseph.


ron

Sayid was speculating that the hatch had a geo-thermal generator underneath it, which was the source of the power for the whole island, if not that particular bunker. He based that assumption on the 'hot' pipes on the walls of the tunnel under the hatch.

I am guessing that the generator is actually a nuclear reactor - may be one of the small fusion reactors - and the "incident" mentioned in the orientation film could have refered to some sort of malfunction leading to the reactor becoming unstable - necessitating the "pressing of the button" entering the code - "4 8 15 16 23 42" (which is also coincidentally, the 'number' of the hatch). I would assume the "hot pipes" might be circulating the coolant to the reactor.

I would assume the numbers correspond to the number of "control rods" that would need to be lowered into the reactor to decrease the rate of nuclear reaction - i.e. lower the control rods # 4, #8, #15, #16, #23 and #42. The control rods might need to be lowered every 108 minutes to prevent a meltdown of the reactor or some sort of nuclear radiation breakout. If the code is not entered on time - or the rods are not lowered every 108 minutes, the radiation breakout might actually make the island natives "sick".

There are some holes in the above theory, but to me it seems to be the most plausible "scientific speculation", right now.

Ahhh, see? I was confused! :). Although I can't seem to get your pic link to work, I looked through he gallery on the LOST web site for last nights ep and there's a couple pics of her with Michael. I didn't recognize her during the show at all... I thought we were talking about the girl in the bunker (the one who says "there used to be" when asked about the number of people in their group IIRC) who I think is Kimberly Joseph.


ron

see if this one works:

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=cynthia+watros/v=2/SID=e/l=IVS/SIG=12rn7s6qo/EXP=1129316407/*-http%3A//a.abc.com/primetime/drewcarey/images/bios/drew_biopic_watros.jpg

...and she is the one that said "there were" when asked about the 23 survivors.

Hmm, interesting theory. If I remember nuclear fusion 101, aren't those reactions "contained" by electomagnetism and don't use control rods at all (wich are for fIssion reactors? Perhaps the electromagenetic anomolies of the island interfere with the containment of the reaction, requiring ye ole button to be pressed.

Anybody else find it interesting that Sun burried the message bottle almost like it was symbolizing the death of the crew on the raft? I'm not sure she really believes that, but the thought crossed my mind. Maybe she viewed the message bottle as their most realistic hope of getting help and the return of it represented the death of that hope.

I interpreted her intentions quite differently. I presumed that she buried the message bottle after getting a promise from the two other people "in the know" about the bottle that they would not reveal it's discovery. The bottle was then buried so as not to dash the hopes of all the other survivors of any potential rescue due to the rafters making it back to civilization.

Hmm, interesting theory. If I remember nuclear fusion 101, aren't those reactions "contained" by electomagnetism and don't use control rods at all (wich are for fIssion reactors? Perhaps the electromagenetic anomolies of the island interfere with the containment of the reaction, requiring ye ole button to be pressed.

Congrats!! You've found one of the holes in my post :)

I was apparently doozing through my nuclear fusion 101 class.. haha !! :o

So, consider that a mini nuclear fusion reactor is under the hatch, with the magnetic field acting to stabilize the reaction. See here for a description of magnetic confinement to stabilize nuclear fusion reactors Nuclear Fusion Reactors (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nucene/fusrea.html).

So, pressing the code might actually be to stabilize the fusion reaction. Cross my earlier "control rods" theory.

When Kate got out of the shower, I know we all had trouble paying any attention to what she was saying ;), but she mentioned that the water smelled of sulphur. I suspect that was mentioned for a specific reason. A relationship to geothermal or nuclear power production, perhaps?

Xesdeeni

I'm not sure how everyone is coming up with 42 survivors from the mid-section? Why did Locke tell Desmond that there were 43 survivors but 4 left on a raft? Do we count the Marshall that died after the crash? How 'bout the guy who was sucked into one of the turbines? Is Boone counted among the survivors that Locke referred to, and if not, when did he no longer count? Then we have Claire's baby and anybody can guess when that starts to count.

There are enough other intriquing relationships to the "numbers" without having to stretch them into a survivor count. I just don't see a good correlation between the "numbers" and the number of survivors, which has and may continue to be dynamic.


I think that the answer to all of the above questions is: However it works out so we end up with 42, because that is a "magic" number. :p

...and she is the one that said "there were" when asked about the 23 survivors.I'm definitely going to have to watch the replay on Sat then since I don't have a HD-DVR. The girl I'm thinking of I'm pretty sure was in one of the bunker scenes at the end, and she made an impression on me because she was wearing a much more "interesting" top than the one the Watros character had on ;).


ron

Hmm, interesting theory. If I remember nuclear fusion 101, aren't those reactions "contained" by electomagnetism and don't use control rods at all (wich are for fIssion reactors? Perhaps the electromagenetic anomolies of the island interfere with the containment of the reaction, requiring ye ole button to be pressed.

In theory perhaps but since no one has yet created a fusion reactor we just don't know. For that matter electromagnetism is a by product of fusion so I'm not sure how it would be used to completely contain itself.

When Kate got out of the shower, I know we all had trouble paying any attention to what she was saying ;), but she mentioned that the water smelled of sulphur. I suspect that was mentioned for a specific reason. A relationship to geothermal or nuclear power production, perhaps?

Xesdeeni

Sulphur is fairly common in some well water. When I lived in FL, everyone sprayed the well water into a fine mist in a large "tank" to cast off all the sulphur. The sides of everyone's homes wreaked of it.

While I'm sure that's true, I have a feeling the writers wouldn't have added that into her dialog without an alterior motive.

Xesdeeni

The back of the plane group- the 23 I guess, it seemed to me the small group they found, the 5 or so, they all looked like they were 'hiding in the corner', much in the way a wounded animal would. I don't think the rest got sick or were 'canabalized'. With the fear I was sensing from them, I'm thinking maybe the Others have been torturing/killing them.

That would explain why Mike, Sawyer and Jin all got the crap beat out of them and were tossed in that pit. The back of the plane-ers didn't want to take any chances not knowing who they were, and now they know.

Maybe she farted and was blaming it on the sulphur in case Jack was heading right in for his shower. ;)

Am I the only one paranoid that eating the food (and taking the shower) will expose everyone to the "sickness" that Rousseau and Desmond are so afraid of? If those shots Desmond was taking were an innoculation, the other survivors could now be exposed.

I'm not sure how everyone is coming up with 42 survivors from the mid-section? Why did Locke tell Desmond that there were 43 survivors but 4 left on a raft? . . . There are enough other intriquing relationships to the "numbers" without having to stretch them into a survivor count. I just don't see a good correlation between the "numbers" and the number of survivors, which has and may continue to be dynamic.

good point. locke was probably right about the survivor count. start w/ 48 survivors, the number that kate & jack tell the pilot. don't count the guy sucked into the turbine since that happened before they got organized enough to count survivors. subtract the following who died:

swimmer
marshall
boone
arzt (exploding teacher)
redshirt presumably killed by one of "the others" during boone's watch

that leaves 43, unless i forgot to count someone.

The back of the plane group- the 23 I guess, it seemed to me the small group they found, the 5 or so, they all looked like they were 'hiding in the corner', much in the way a wounded animal would. I don't think the rest got sick or were 'canabalized'. With the fear I was sensing from them, I'm thinking maybe the Others have been torturing/killing them.
That was my impression too. And I guess that's why Anna had to become such a strong leader... like in the military, if people want to stay alive, they had to follow strict orders.

Maybe she farted and was blaming it on the sulphur in case Jack was heading right in for his shower.

hot chicks don't fart, do they?

& their sh*t don't stink, either!

Sulphur is fairly common in some well water. When I lived in FL, everyone sprayed the well water into a fine mist in a large "tank" to cast off all the sulphur. The sides of everyone's homes wreaked of it.
Sulphur is also supposedly fairly common in cooling ponds used to store water for for reactor cooling.

Am I the only one paranoid that eating the food (and taking the shower) will expose everyone to the "sickness" that Rousseau and Desmond are so afraid of? If those shots Desmond was taking were an innoculation, the other survivors could now be exposed.
Yes, you are the only one. :)

If the back plane folks got the sickness, it doesn't appear that they had any Dharma food or took showers (to me, the other bunker looked long since abandoned.)

The way Jack was looking for medicine in the early episodes, I am surprised he has not looked over Desmond's shots to determine what is in those bottles.

Have we found out for certain if the large black man who roughed up Sawyer, Mike, and Jin (don't know his name) was on the plane or not? I'm thinking he could be a person like Ethan was for mid-section survivors. In other words, does Anna, Bernard, and the gang think he is a plane survivor? Could be an interesting twist in an episode to come if they think he is a plane survivor but he is not. For now they seem to be portraying him as a tail section survivor, are they not?

Thank god they pruned down the back half people. Now we only have to worry about 6 more back stories ;). Interesting to speculate the big guy was a descendant from the slave ship. Certainly could be true. Maybe the "Others" are slavers? But if it is true, then how come no one noticed them when they were building this big island adventure? ;)

I still think AAA is from the crashed drug plane, I think the writers are going to have to tie that plane into the storyline somehow more than just a heroin connection to Charlie.

It is plausible the big guy is either from the crashed drug plane (from Africa, I believe), OR a descendant from the slave ship. I like the slave ship theory, even with no information at this point to suggest that.

Has this been mentioned yet? -- maybe the "Adam and Eve" found in the cave were the big guy's parents.

It is plausible the big guy is either from the crashed drug plane (from Africa, I believe), OR a descendant from the slave ship. I like the slave ship theory, even with no information at this point to suggest that.

Has this been mentioned yet? -- maybe the "Adam and Eve" found in the cave were the big guy's parents.
The plane was from Nigeria, and by chance or by design, AAA is in reality of Nigerian descent(parents).

The show is almost unwatchable on my Vizio 42 HDTV plasma. Scenes are mostly dark with no details and high contrast; or mostly with backlight with dark foreground. I live in Sacramento area with comcast cable. Any suggestion on what to adjust?

More questions:

a) In your opinion which plasma brand/model shows the best details on dark scenes?
b) In general, which is better in displaying details in dark scenes: lcd or plasma?

Thanks for any input.

I'm going to wait till its' only $156 Million.

A decendant from the slave ship seems the least likely scenario. There should be a lot more people around if that were the case - or AAA will be later shown to have webbed feet.

It would also make him a moron if he has that much history on the island and is as clueless about his surroundings as the survivors who have only been there a little over a month.

I personally don't buy any theories about the large black man being from anywhere else than the back of the plane. He was with the group of the survivors from the back of the plane, and they said nothing about him not being part of the group.

Besides, if he was somehow a descendant from a slave on the slave ship, A) where are the rest of the people, and B) how would he know English?

Perhaps the electromagenetic anomolies of the island interfere with the containment of the reaction, requiring ye ole button to be pressed.
A geothermal power plant would have steam turning a regular electric generator and that could have huge magnets. To make it a closed system (which this clearly is), the steam would have to be condensed back into water. Running hot pipes through those huge concrete slabs would work.

Yeah, a nuclear power plant would be way more interesting. :)

The show is almost unwatchable on my Vizio 42 HDTV plasma. Scenes are mostly dark with no details and high contrast; or mostly with backlight with dark foreground. I live in Sacramento area with comcast cable. Any suggestion on what to adjust?

More questions:

a) In your opinion which plasma brand/model shows the best details on dark scenes?
b) In general, which is better in displaying details in dark scenes: lcd or plasma?

Thanks for any input.


Are you watching in HD or SD?
How is it unwatchable?

It sounds like you just need to get it calibrated properly, either on your own or by having it professionally done. Your gamma curve may be off. Your brightness (black level) is probably too low, crushing blacks and destroying shadow detail. Your contrast (white level, picture level) may be up too high as well.

I have a DLP, and I have calibrated it pretty well I'd like to think. I have no problems with dark scenes, etc. The picture is fantastic, although the blacks don't appear very deep/dark when the screen is all/mostly black.

The only problem I've seen is some channels are a bit darker. Ie., when watching certain shows like Desperate Housewives recently, I noticed black clothing was just a black blob. I had to raise my brightness (black level) setting from 53 to about 60-62 to bring the detail back. If it was supposed to be all black with no detail, then by raising the brightness (black level), the area would have stayed the same uniform tone. This could be similar to the problem you're having, if all of the shadow area on the screen is blending into "black".

Here is a basic primer (http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6463_7-5085739-2.html?tag=dir) on picture settings. Proceed to the intermediate page for info on calibration discs, and to the advanced page for info on professional calibrations.

Also, last night's episode had an unusual number of unusually dark scenes.

There's an awful lot of cement in the Swan bunker (station 3), and it would've taken a lot of resources and people to make it happen. If any of them are ever tempted to peek in on the island, the future of Lost is doomed.

I find it interesting that the smaller, more maligned group of survivors from the back of the plane seemingly found their bunker entrance much quicker and more easily than the more numerous mid-section survivors found the swan entrance. Something tells me they're more resourceful. It'll be interesting to see who assumes charge once the two groups join - if/when they do.

A decendant from the slave ship seems the least likely scenario. There should be a lot more people around if that were the case - or AAA will be later shown to have webbed feet.
Yes, it's a stretch. There could be a whole colony of them somewhere. It's a big big big island with huge mountains and who knows what's under ground.

It would also make him a moron if he has that much history on the island and is as clueless about his surroundings as the survivors who have only been there a little over a month.

Well, he would be the descendent of a bunch of people who were kidnapped from Africa 150 years ago. If they were isolated from civilization this entire time, he has no knowledge of science, he only knows what others have told him and probably interprets everything in the context of the religion of his ancestors.

And he may know a lot more. We don't know at this point.

Besides, if he was somehow a descendant from a slave on the slave ship, A) where are the rest of the people, and B) how would he know English?
He's only had about five lines of mostly one syllable words so far. He could have picked up some English from any of the English-speaking people that keep crashing into the island regularly.

You can be sure the guy will have a long backstory!

I think AAA is from the back of the plane. The slave ship theory is way out there and the drug plane crash site appeared to have no survivors because the planes content's were untouched. I think the writers wanted to throw us off by making AAA look tribal so we would think he wasn't on flight 815. Anna was really hard ass with Sawyer and it seemed inconsistent at first when she was telling him there was no talking as they approached the bunker. But I guess that was because she was concerned the others might hear them. Also, Anna really took one for the team when she let AAA toss her about 10 feet down a pit just to fool the front end guys.

I find it interesting that the smaller, more maligned group of survivors from the back of the plane seemingly found their bunker entrance much quicker and more easily than the more numerous mid-section survivors found the swan entrance.
Unless Shaft or Adebsi or whatever A A-A's character's name is already knew about the bunker because he's been on the island his whole life.

C'mon folks! Run with the descendent of slaves theory! I'm sure it will be proved wrong next week! :D

There's an awful lot of cement in the Swan bunker (station 3), and it would've taken a lot of resources and people to make it happen. If any of them are ever tempted to peek in on the island, the future of Lost is doomed.

I find it interesting that the smaller, more maligned group of survivors from the back of the plane seemingly found their bunker entrance much quicker and more easily than the more numerous mid-section survivors found the swan entrance. Something tells me they're more resourceful. It'll be interesting to see who assumes charge once the two groups join - if/when they do.
Someone mentioned earlier, in addition to likely being preyed on by the "others" the tail section folks didn't have the luxuray of all the luggage that was stored in the belly of the plane that the midsection folks had access to. That makes them doubly desperate:
1. Search for food and shelter
2. Search for a place to hide from bad guys.

I want to add to the slave ship thing for AAA, I mentioned I liked the theory he was from the slave ship. I didn't mean to say I really believe in it, though. :rolleyes:

But if he is NOT a tail section person, I'm going to go with the possibility that Adam and Eve in the cave were his parents. I'm getting that in writing so no one trumps me from a Nov. '05 post when we we find out the truth in six months. :)

All this has led me to another thought. Please let me know if someone mentioned this, for I do not remember reading about this.

The Others took Rousseau's baby. The Others came for Walt. I believe someone suggested they may want children for their experiments. But ...

What if the Others take the children to protect them. In other words, let's say all the humans on the Island are part of a huge experiment (which was mentioned before) but the scientists (Others) actually have a heart and don't want to experiment on children. So they take them, so that they do not become a part of the experiments. The problem comes with Claire's baby -- either they don't know about him yet, or else they will wait until the baby is finished with the nursing stage.

Then again, I can't imagine someone would be heartless enough to experiment on human beings in this manner while giving a rat's ass about children. They'd probably like to experiment on children as well.

The others never took Claire's baby. It was a trick by the french chick. Ethan took claire when she was still pregnant, but they never had the baby.

The others never took Claire's baby. It was a trick by the french chick. Ethan took claire when she was still pregnant, but they never had the baby.


That is like saying a shoplifter stole a box but not the crackers inside because he never got a chance to open the box and munch on his crispy saltines before being apprehended and killed. :)

Something tells me they're more resourceful. It'll be interesting to see who assumes charge once the two groups join - if/when they do.

Not sure about the more resourceful part - they've lost the majority of their group (only about 5 left from 23) while the mid-section group has only lost a very small portion.

If they are resourceful, it hasn't been helping them much. If anything, the tail section group seem to have gone almost feral while the mid-section group has stayed very civilized. Maybe not sharing information has it's upside after all.

That is like saying a shoplifter stole a box but not the crackers inside because he never got a chance to open the box and munch on his crispy saltines before being apprehended and killed. :)
Ah-ha! Or, they made an attempt to take Claire's baby with Ethan, which failed, and so they will be back for the child in the future. Hmm... am I on to something here? Or does this rank up there with the "Island as an alien spacecraft" theory? :o

If the back plane folks got the sickness, it doesn't appear that they had any Dharma food or took showers (to me, the other bunker looked long since abandoned.)

We don't know yet whether the back-plane people got the sickness. All we know is that some of them are missing. They may have been attacked by the "Others".

Besides, their bunker may look long-abandoned now, but we don't know how long they've been in there. They've been on the island more than 40 days. Desmond's bunker only had enough food left to feed one person for 30 days. If they've already been in that bunker for a few weeks, 23 people may have gone through the food they found a long time ago.

So, consider that a mini nuclear fusion reactor is under the hatch, with the magnetic field acting to stabilize the reaction.
I think the fission reactor/control rods theory makes more sense. At least that could explain the sickness. There's no radiation (and no radiation sickness) from a fusion reactor. More importantly, there's no such thing as a fusion reactor that provides any reasonable amount of power for any reasonable length of time. I doubt the writers would bother making that leap. But who knows?

I am surprised that so many are jumping on the nuclear bandwagon. What happened to the belief that the countdown was nothing more than a conditioned response test?

With the numbers, 15 in the french party and the message repeated for 16 years...?

Bringing up Claire reminded me of the psychic who told her that it was very important that her and only her raise that baby. So here are a couple of things that I can't wait to find out, other than what those numbers mean:

Why is it so important that Claire raise the baby?
What happened to Charlie and Claire when they disappeared with Ethan last season?
Why was Locke able to walk once he got to the island, and why did he almost lose that ability until Boone died?
Why when Jack saw Desmond in the hatch for the first time did he say "you" and never follow it up?
What the heck was that black smoke that came up from the ground at the end of last season that almost ate Locke?
How did the writers and producers know someone would play Walt's jibberish backwards?
Which one of the castaways is going to answer the snowman question?
etc...

Sorry to ramble because I'm so caught up in the show. But I watch every week with my wife who has a different perspective that they are never going to tie up all these loose ends. And while it's an amazing show, she's starting to get frustrated with all the open questions. Believe me, we had quite a few more that they haven't answered and I'm sure there are a ton that you guys can come up with. To me the point is -- do you guys think they can tie all this stuff up and satisfy the viewers? I do recognize they are in biz to make money and need to carry this over a few seasons.