Why when Jack saw Desmond in the hatch for the first time did he say "you" and never follow it up?They pretty much followed it up together when Jack met Desmond running away through the woods.

A lot of loose ends have been tied up and many new ones have taken there place. That's how a story is given longevity. It can be frustrating but we keep coming back for more, never sure of which resolutions will come next.

Walt's jibberish backwards?
the snowman question?


Huh?

I hope they don't take Claire's baby again. If I hear her scream, "they took my baby" once more I am going Elvis on my TV. Man, her screaming is so annoying.

Walt's jibberish backwards?
the snowman question?


Huh?

When Walt 'appeared' to Shannon, he was talking in what seemed to be gibberish. When played backwards, he said something along the lines of : "Don't push button, no button bad" or words to that effect.

When Desmond was questioning Locke about him being his replacement, he asked "What did one snowman say to the other snowman?" Locke couldn't answer the question, so he took them both prisoner.

When Walt 'appeared' to Shannon, he was talking in what seemed to be gibberish. When played backwards, he said something along the lines of : "Don't push button, no button bad" or words to that effect.

When Desmond was questioning Locke about him being his replacement, he asked "What did one snowman say to the other snowman?" Locke couldn't answer the question, so he took them both prisoner.Ooh... I know that one... something about how good it tastes to eat yellow...

I am completely shocked that no one has posted any screen shots of Kate in her towel......(disappointed more like it) :p

C'mon folks! Run with the descendent of slaves theory! I'm sure it will be proved wrong next week! :D

I'm sure if we keep mentioning about AAA being on the slave ship, the writers will somehow write that into the script. The writers use ideas and feedback on the web to mold their scripts. That's why Jack is still alive. He was supposed to die in episode 3 but the writers changed after fan feedback.

I am completely shocked that no one has posted any screen shots of Kate in her towel......(disappointed more like it) :p


I think that was the first thing posted after the show ended.

A lot of loose ends have been tied up and many new ones have taken there place. That's how a story is given longevity. It can be frustrating but we keep coming back for more, never sure of which resolutions will come next.

So this last episode, we get a nice little story about how people change when you hit the Lotto. Big whoop. They could have spent more time about how the survivors of the tail-end of the plane got on, what they know about The Others, what they know about the bunkers, etc. They could be comparing notes, combining info. to have a better chance to learn about the island.

But no, they like to keep to themselves. Hurley hasn't told everyone about the coincidence of the Lotto numbers, Locke hasn't explained his little miracle, etc.

Because if they shared info. they might figure out if ending up on the island wasn't pure chance or what the monster is, etc.

They might not reveal any of that until the end of season 4, by which time they could sell the show to syndication.

Now if they revealed the big mysteries and then the show became about a struggle for survival against The Others and escape from the island/experiment, would people still watch? The producers and ABC probably believe the viewers won't, so they're going to milk it.

Any comments on my earlier post regarding Anna drinking water when they reached the bunker?

Yes, she drank from what looked like a basin upon entering the chamber.

.... On the other hand, the lottery sales places I've seen have far too many customers going through for a clerk to remember who purchased a winning ticket.I agree... this had to be a scriptwriting mistake. It wouldn't have been enough just to remember that Hugo/Hurley bought a ticket from him - the only way the clerk would have recognized Hurley as the big winner was if the clerk was somehow a photographic-memory genius who memorized the faces and the numbers selected by everyone who bought a lottery ticket at his store. Impossible. There's a reason why the press (and the sales agent) have to wait for the winners to come forward before they are ID'd - there's no record kept of who bought the winning ticket, only where it was sold.

A friend posed a theory, which might be plausible. What if this is a nuclear related site? The 108 minute countdown keeps the reactor from melting down.

Now if they revealed the big mysteries and then the show became about a struggle for survival against The Others and escape from the island/experiment, would people still watch? The producers and ABC probably believe the viewers won't, so they're going to milk it.I'm not sure they're interested in this show being about the struggle for survival and rescue as much as they want a painfully slow reveal show. I submit it's a gamble because I'm not sure how much time I have for it myself, but it seems to have a lot of people locked in. I'm hanging onto the "just about to jump ship" bandwagon myself. Nobody's holding a gun to my head but I just might subject myself to this torture for some time. I'll bet I've got a lot of company.

I agree... this had to be a scriptwriting mistake. It wouldn't have been enough just to remember that Hugo/Hurley bought a ticket from him - the only way the clerk would have recognized Hurley as the big winner was if the clerk was somehow a photographic-memory genius who memorized the faces and the numbers selected by everyone who bought a lottery ticket at his store. Impossible. There's a reason why the press (and the sales agent) have to wait for the winners to come forward before they are ID'd - there's no record kept of who bought the winning ticket, only where it was sold.


i dont see the big deal about the clerk remembering him - number 1, hurly is not easy to forget. # 2, maybe he played the same number every day for years? Im assuming, like most people do, he always played the same number every day, and the same clerk is taking his numbers every day, and again, he's not easy to forget, so when the clerk heard the numbers and found out he sold the winning ticket he remembered its the fat guys numbers. Sounds more then logical to me.

I agree... this had to be a scriptwriting mistake. It wouldn't have been enough just to remember that Hugo/Hurley bought a ticket from him - the only way the clerk would have recognized Hurley as the big winner was if the clerk was somehow a photographic-memory genius who memorized the faces and the numbers selected by everyone who bought a lottery ticket at his store. Impossible. There's a reason why the press (and the sales agent) have to wait for the winners to come forward before they are ID'd - there's no record kept of who bought the winning ticket, only where it was sold.

Actually as previously mentioned in the thread, the lottery folks also know what time the ticket was purchased. By having both the where and when, the convenience store people could examine their videotape to see who bought it.

I agree... this had to be a scriptwriting mistake. It wouldn't have been enough just to remember that Hugo/Hurley bought a ticket from him - the only way the clerk would have recognized Hurley as the big winner was if the clerk was somehow a photographic-memory genius who memorized the faces and the numbers selected by everyone who bought a lottery ticket at his store. Impossible. There's a reason why the press (and the sales agent) have to wait for the winners to come forward before they are ID'd - there's no record kept of who bought the winning ticket, only where it was sold.

Maybe Hurley went in there all the time and played the same numbers.

I'm not sure they're interested in this show being about the struggle for survival and rescue as much as they want a painfully slow reveal show. I submit it's a gamble because I'm not sure how much time I have for it myself, but it seems to have a lot of people locked in. I'm hanging onto the "just about to jump ship" bandwagon myself. Nobody's holding a gun to my head but I just might subject myself to this torture for some time. I'll bet I've got a lot of company.


I have to agree, the last episode started to loose my interest, and quiet frankly piss me off, because of how PAINFULLY slow it's going. To think that for years (at least a few more i would guess) im CONSTANTLY going to be tortured by what may or may not be going on on this show is not something I'm looking forward to. They need a little more answers and a little less questions, everything doesnt have to be a mystery that takes all year to answer. Im sure everybodys going to break down what has and hasnt been asnwered so far, im just giving my opinion

I am guessing that the generator is actually a nuclear reactor - may be one of the small fusion reactors - and the "incident" mentioned in the orientation film could have refered to some sort of malfunction leading to the reactor becoming unstable - necessitating the "pressing of the button" entering the code - "4 8 15 16 23 42" (which is also coincidentally, the 'number' of the hatch). I would assume the "hot pipes" might be circulating the coolant to the reactor.

I would assume the numbers correspond to the number of "control rods" that would need to be lowered into the reactor to decrease the rate of nuclear reaction - i.e. lower the control rods # 4, #8, #15, #16, #23 and #42. The control rods might need to be lowered every 108 minutes to prevent a meltdown of the reactor or some sort of nuclear radiation breakout. If the code is not entered on time - or the rods are not lowered every 108 minutes, the radiation breakout might actually make the island natives "sick".

There are some holes in the above theory, but to me it seems to be the most plausible "scientific speculation", right now.

A friend posed a theory, which might be plausible. What if this is a nuclear related site? The 108 minute countdown keeps the reactor from melting down.

I hope you guys are wrong...

In my previous life as a reactor operator in the Navy, I can tell you that hollywood has consistently gotten almost everything wrong when dealing with nuclear reactors. I hope this show doesn't make the same mistake.

The bottom line is, if there is an "out of control" reactor, you don't need Homer Simpson typing "Y" from home every 108 minutes; all you need to do is scram the reactor and initiate reactor fill. Control rods are moved up and down like a motorized screw jack; de-energize the motors and they unlatch and are driven to the bottom of the core under spring force (a "scram")—Presto!...no more fission. The reactor fill system, sometimes called emergency injection, keeps the core flooded with water in the event of a loss of coolant accident and removes the heat produced by decaying fission products. It's automatic and (if left alone) fail-safe. (Three Mile Island had a meltdown only because operators didn't understand the situation and repeatedly overrode the automatic safety systems).

And nuclear reactors don't explode—and going "critical" is not a bad thing. ("Critical" means the nuclear reaction is self sustaining...a reactor producing power is always critical...)

My money is on a geothermal plant (hopefully)...

~Dan

I agree... this had to be a scriptwriting mistake. It wouldn't have been enough just to remember that Hugo/Hurley bought a ticket from him - the only way the clerk would have recognized Hurley as the big winner was if the clerk was somehow a photographic-memory genius who memorized the faces and the numbers selected by everyone who bought a lottery ticket at his store. Impossible. There's a reason why the press (and the sales agent) have to wait for the winners to come forward before they are ID'd - there's no record kept of who bought the winning ticket, only where it was sold.
I think the point was to rapidly focus the attention on Hurley before he told his friend what was up, so that we could experience the (perceived) betrayal the friend felt...

~Dan

I am surprised that so many are jumping on the nuclear bandwagon. What happened to the belief that the countdown was nothing more than a conditioned response test?Actually I was just trying to provide information on the different methods of nuclear power, not getting on the bandwagon. I'm on the conditioned response bandwagon myself. Anything but that and the writers are going to have to come up with a really good reason why that task could not have been automated, when "they" delivered top o' the line Kenmore washers and dryers within the past couple of years. And "they" will be back in just a few months to replenish Desmond's food supply, right?

I didn't quite buy the betrayal bit. Why didn't he just run up to the van and ask Hurley why he hadn't told him? Why wasn't he happy for Hurley like a real friend would be? The guy acted like Hurley had just stolen his wallet.

LOST actor robbed:

HONOLULU (AP) - Josh Holloway and his wife reportedly were robbed at gunpoint in their home. There was no indication that the robber recognized the 36-year-old actor, who plays hunky con man Sawyer on the ABC castaway drama "Lost," television station KHON reported.Man, he's gotta be tired of getting guns pulled on him! "He's not gonna shoot, he's only got one bull---"*smack!*




On the other hand, the lottery sales places I've seen have far too many customers going through for a clerk to remember who purchased a winning ticket.
Exactly. They lost me a little bit with that one. The clerk couldn't know.. unless it was fixed or something (or he suggested the numbers to Hurley). Cameras can watch paying customers, but not see the ticket (numbers). BTW, I didn't get the impression at all that Hurley and his co-worker were very close friends.



Am I the only one paranoid that eating the food (and taking the shower) will expose everyone to the "sickness" that Rousseau and Desmond are so afraid of? If those shots Desmond was taking were an innoculation, the other survivors could now be exposed.I also considered that the food could be tainted (radiation or whatever). But since everyone ate it, then everyone dies (or gets deathly sick) and that likely won't happen.



I just can not envision trying to watch this show on a 2 1/2 inch screen.
One poster said it looked pretty good when transferred to his laptop's screen.

And "they" will be back in just a few months to replenish Desmond's food supply, right?
Well, of course "they" will have to be back to replenish the food supply, it goes with out saying. Reason why is that if that storeroom only had enough food for one guy for 30 days it sure didn't look like there was much room in there for any long term bulk storage which would have been needed as presumably Desmond has been there for a long time.

The whole "30 days worth of food" thing was undoubtedly nothing but a plot tool to use with Hurley and it really didn't "wash down" well with me.. :D

Where's this "30 days of food" coming from?
I thought Hurley said it was enough for 3 meals per day for one person for a few months (or maybe he was specific and said 3 months). At any rate it was definitely more than 30 days.

That is like saying a shoplifter stole a box but not the crackers inside because he never got a chance to open the box and munch on his crispy saltines before being apprehended and killed.

True. If Ethan was definately one of the "others". ;)

The whole "30 days worth of food" thing was undoubtedly nothing but a plot tool to use with Hurley and it really didn't "wash down" well with me.. :D

I dunno, looked like a helluva lot more food there than a 30 day supply. Desmond must have a big appetite.

But the point is, he must get resupplied on a regular basis. So, why hasn't he had any relief in 3 years?

Where's this "30 days of food" coming from?
I thought Hurley said it was enough for 3 meals per day for one person for a few months (or maybe he was specific and said 3 months). At any rate it was definitely more than 30 days.
Maybe it was 3 mos, still, that is not very long considering how long Desmond has supposedly been there. Maybe he's on a very strict diet.. :D

The point was, where was all the rest of the food stored since that storeroom looked pretty darn full to me. In fact, IIRC, there was so much stuff that some of it was stacked on the floor.

Great show, just started getting into it a few weeks ago. Missed the very first couple of episodes but don't miss it now. Almost 1/2 million views to this thread., is this some sort of a record? .. a "LOST" newbie

Good point.

Also realize that Hurley was responsible for calculating how long the food would last based on the inventory. Call me crazy but I think Hurley's calculation for how much food is needed per day is quite a bit different than most people.

Maybe it was only 3 months worth of food... for Hurley!

I didn't quite buy the betrayal bit. Why didn't he just run up to the van and ask Hurley why he hadn't told him? Why wasn't he happy for Hurley like a real friend would be? The guy acted like Hurley had just stolen his wallet.Unless he suggested the numbers for Hurley to play....they still don't seem to be close friends, though.

I loved the show this week. Just now getting caught up with the thread.

For those who are speculating that Hurley either got the numbers from the clerk or kept playing the same numbers, remember that he got them from the guy in the crazy house, who heard them broadcast over radio. I'm not sure, but I think he only played once and won.

I'm not sure, but I think he only played once and won.

That was my impression as well.

I'm not sure, but I think he only played once and won.
I don't know how often Hurley played the numbers either, but this bit being repeated by several that the store clerk would have figured out what time the ticket was purchased and then reviewed the convience store tapes and then looked across a dark parking lot at night with bright camera lights on him (which virtually blind you, BTW) and then recognized the person who bought the ticket sitting in a darkened van is a bit far fetched. How many times have you seen on the news the person who bought the winning lottery ticket to go back to the place of purchase, and then at the same time a news camera was there?

I'm with danco on the betrayal aspect. Every TV show has to make some concessions -- come up with things that are a little far-fetched to play a certain angle. The fact that the store clerk recognized Hurley was big stretch.

And BTW - now I think AAA is a back plane dude (before I said he probably wasn't). It just makes sense. Why would he listen to Anna and follow her orders if he had already been a resident of the island? Like Rousseau or Desmond, he probably would be more than happy to be a loner and survive knowing that the "sickness" seems to tear relationships apart. And that pirate ship is too old for him to be a descendant from the survivors of that, IMHO.

I don't know how often Hurley played the numbers either, but this bit being repeated by several that the store clerk would have figured out what time the ticket was purchased and then reviewed the convience store tapes and then looked across a dark parking lot at night with bright camera lights on him (which virtually blind you, BTW) and then recognized the person who bought the ticket sitting in a darkened van is a bit far fetched. How many times have you seen on the news the person who bought the winning lottery ticket to go back to the place of purchase, and then at the same time a news camera was there?

I'm with danco on the betrayal aspect. Every TV show has to make some concessions -- come up with things that are a little far-fetched to play a certain angle. The fact that the store clerk recognized Hurley was big stretch.

And BTW - now I think AAA is a back plane dude (before I said he probably wasn't). It just makes sense. Why would he listen to Anna and follow her orders if he had already been a resident of the island? Like Rousseau or Desmond, he probably would be more than happy to be a loner and survive knowing that the "sickness" seems to tear relationships apart. And that pirate ship is too old for him to be a descendant from the survivors of that, IMHO.

he wouldnt have figured it out, the lottery commision would have told him when the ticket was sold. And if hurly was a regular in the store, when he seen the tape he recognised him (not hard to regonise), then recognised him in the parking lot. Maybe he recognised his friend first, maybe they went to the store together all the time. I dont see any of this as being a stretch even a little.

On some level, “Lost” is making sense

By Rick Kushman Sacramento Bee TV Columnist

Every couple of years, there's a show that pops out, maybe in its second or third season, and roars through the pop culture. This is going to be one of those years, and the show is ABC's "Lost."

That's not exactly a news flash, and that's exactly my point.

Everywhere I go, people want to talk about "Lost." No one gets what's happening on that island, or what the numbers mean, or why that guy Desmond was really in the hatch. But if you've been watching, you're transfixed.

It's the buzz show, the way "ER" was in its second or third season, the way "Seinfeld" hit midway in its run and the way "The X-Files" was rolling before the feature film let the air out of the balloon.

The big buzz series isn't always the top-rated show. "Lost" (at 9 tonight on Channel 10) is third in the ratings, averaging about 23 million viewers. But it is the show with the most energy and the most to engage you. Chat rooms, Web sites, blogs and people just drinking coffee are going nuts over it.

Here's the thing. This happened because the producers went smart. Damon Lindelof and his crew avoided the old, and lame, TV device of posing a simple question, then supplying no info for an answer. They did the opposite. They gave viewers all kinds of information, and it's all rich and complicated.

That reset the game, gave us a whole new globe of possibilities without removing any of the ideas we had from last year. Maybe this is all a huge social experiment, or an experiment gone bad, or a lost island with odd electromagnetic properties, or maybe it's some kind of weird Twilight Zone of a zoo. Maybe the Others are aliens; maybe they're a secret government; maybe the place is purgatory; maybe everyone is really dead; maybe I have no idea what's happening.

Look at the clues they've thrown out: "A Wrinkle in Time." "Watership Down." "Turn of the Screw." "The Third Policeman," for criminy's sake. Vague, complex literature, thick with metaphors and mysteries of their own. These are producers who trust their audience to have functioning brains.

They've also built the whole show on solid ground. These are good, deep, engaging characters. None of this would matter if the people didn't register.

And they started it all on a very simple premise. For all the copycat, alien-mystery series the networks produced this season to try to capture some "Lost" magic, this show didn't catch on because it was a twisty-alien-mystery. We got hooked on a simple, classic premise of survivors on an island.

Everything else - the numbers, the Others, the connections, the Frenchwoman, the visions, the hatch, the plane, the something-in-the-jungle, the Dharma Initiative, the abduction, the who-knows-what's-next - came later. It started with a good story, well told. That always works.

For people who've missed this boat, honestly, I don't know if you can catch up. Probably you can. The stories each week are small ones, and just pieces of the larger picture - whatever that will turn out to be.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/lifestyle/columns/kushman/v-print/story/13702866p-14545568c.html

3 months x 3 meals = 270 meals / 40 people = 6.75 meals each.

They should have had a Friday bunker meal for everybody for 6 or 7 weeks. They also should have put someone else in charge of the food.

So this last episode, we get a nice little story about how people change when you hit the Lotto. Big whoop. They could have spent more time about how the survivors of the tail-end of the plane got on, what they know about The Others, what they know about the bunkers, etc. They could be comparing notes, combining info. to have a better chance to learn about the island.

But no, they like to keep to themselves. Hurley hasn't told everyone about the coincidence of the Lotto numbers, Locke hasn't explained his little miracle, etc.

Because if they shared info. they might figure out if ending up on the island wasn't pure chance or what the monster is, etc.

They might not reveal any of that until the end of season 4, by which time they could sell the show to syndication.


Thank you! You just summed up what I was trying to say. They keep too many of these mysteries unanswered. I think they could do a better job each week of giving some solutions to past questions. I thought S2 Ep1 was the best episode yet as we finally got some answers. But now they have started the Dharma mystery, which is great, but I still want a lot of the season 1 mysteries explained. I think they could do that and use Dharma for the rest of this season.

I totally agree with the earlier post that said season 2 will end with 108 minute timer counting down and then going to black and the viewer not knowing what happens.

he wouldnt have figured it out, the lottery commision would have told him when the ticket was sold. And if hurly was a regular in the store, when he seen the tape he recognised him (not hard to regonise), then recognised him in the parking lot. Maybe he recognised his friend first, maybe they went to the store together all the time. I dont see any of this as being a stretch even a little.Again, unless cameras are catching the customer and numbers from the tickets they're purchasing (highly unlikely), there's no reasonable way for the clerk to know who the actual winner was. OK, I'm leaving the lotto-ticket thing alone now.

Maybe Hurley went to the convenience store and had the ticket validated. The clerk would surely remember him then. I don't remember all the details but not too long ago there was a lottery winner that found a ticket almost a year later, went to a convenience store to have it validated, he won the multi-million dollar jackpot and sent it first class mail to redeem. He told his wife he mailed it, she almost killed him.

The more I watch this show, the more I am convinced the writers have no clue where they are going with the show. They make it up as they go and they don't have a masterplan.
Sure, I still enjoy the show and I will continue to watch it.

he wouldnt have figured it out, the lottery commision would have told him when the ticket was sold. And if hurly was a regular in the store, when he seen the tape he recognised him (not hard to regonise), then recognised him in the parking lot. Maybe he recognised his friend first, maybe they went to the store together all the time. I dont see any of this as being a stretch even a little.
I suppose that is no more a stretch than Evangeline Lilly calling you and wanting to go out to dinner with you on her next birthday because she is lonely. She was just browsing the web with her iBook (to match her iPod) checking out what people were saying about her in various forums. She noticed your posts here on the AVS forums and was impressed with them and contacted someone at AVS forums to get your contact info which all they have is an email address but she then follows up with your internet provider and because she is a famous TV star and after she explains why she wants your info (to ask you to dinner) they decide you wouldn't mind so they give her your contact info and Evangeline calls you out of the blue and asks you to dinner and you are shocked :eek: I don't see this as being a stretch even a little. :rolleyes:

C'mon. Read my previous post about TV camera lights on a person being interviewed at night. With those things on you, you can't even tell if your mother is standing 5 feet away let alone some dude in a dark van across a parking lot at night. Not to mention, have you ever seen one of those convenience store tapes? Not exactly HDTV. And I seriously doubt a winning store would go through the trouble of reviewing security camera tapes to get a glimpse of the winner, assuming the lottery commission even provides them with the date/time the ticket was sold (questionable). All the store needs to know is they sold the winning ticket, not the day and time. Then all the other maybes you and others propose --> Stretch --> Stretch --> major S - T - R - E - T - C - H. Possible? Just about anything is possible. Probable? No way.

Well, there's 15 minutes of my life I'll never get back. LOL

Tall - in my state, $1mil plus jackpots must be verified by the winner at the state headquarters. I don't recall the exact amount, but I think it is only up to $299 to go to the place where you purchase, otherwise, from $300 to $999,999 you go to your regional lottery office to validate a ticket. Don't think $156 mil would be validated at the 7-eleven.

Again, unless cameras are catching the customer and numbers from the tickets they're purchasing (highly unlikely), there's no reasonable way for the clerk to know who the actual winner was. OK, I'm leaving the lotto-ticket thing alone now.

i think you missed my point - the lotto commision would say "you sold this winning ticket on tuesday at 3PM". He then goes to the tape from tuesday 3pm, and theres the winner, Hurley, buying the ticket. But i agree this is kind of off topic, doesnt really matter to the story

Edit: sorry cant let this one die, just read the last post. Why is it a stretch that the clerk "knows" hurley from coming in every day??? You dont go to the same store every day to buy your lotto ticket or your breakfast or anything, and you make small talk with the clerk or whatever? And you dont need HD to see hurley on the cam, he would stand out just from the shadow.

The more I watch this show, the more I am convinced the writers have no clue where they are going with the show. They make it up as they go and they don't have a masterplan.
Sure, I still enjoy the show and I will continue to watch it.Wrong thread bro. The is the Lost thread, not the Alias thread. ;)

Wow... good eyes for whoever it was that caught that it was Walt on the milk carton Hurley was drinking from in the food storage area during his dream sequence.

Here is the screen capture (sorry its Low-Def)

http://members.cox.net/~badmuthafuxor/waltmilk.jpg

They also should have put someone else in charge of the food.ROFL

My thoughts exactly. But, he does know food, and worked in a fast food joint, so I guess that would qualify him. But besides having a low will-power to food, he is a pushover, so not really the type to tell people they can't have something, shown perfectly with Kate coming in and grabbing some shampoo. On that note, wouldn't Desmond have left a bottle in the shower? (I know, I know, maybe he just "ran out." Maybe he used head and shoulders and she wanted Pert. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe.)

Wow... good eyes for whoever it was that caught that it was Walt on the milk carton Hurley was drinking fromAgreed. I watched it twice in Hi-Def and never caught it until I read about it here. I watched it a 3rd time once I knew about it and did notice it.

Tall - in my state, $1mil plus jackpots must be verified by the winner at the state headquarters. I don't recall the exact amount, but I think it is only up to $299 to go to the place where you purchase, otherwise, from $300 to $999,999 you go to your regional lottery office to validate a ticket. Don't think $156 mil would be validated at the 7-eleven.How many of the 23 million Lost viewers know this obscure lottery rule? I didn't. If you validate a $156 million dollar ticket at a convenience store what would happen? It must do something to let the person know the ticket is worth more than $999,999.

So this last episode, we get a nice little story about how people change when you hit the Lotto. Big whoop. They could have spent more time about how the survivors of the tail-end of the plane got on, what they know about The Others, what they know about the bunkers, etc.
They keep too many of these mysteries unanswered. I think they could do a better job each week of giving some solutions to past questions.
The more I watch this show, the more I am convinced the writers have no clue where they are going with the show.

Sheesh. You guys want some Dharma cheese to go along with your whine?

You all sound like Veruca Salt in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory: "I want a golden goose, daddy, and I want it NOW!"

Maybe you should start a "I Hate Lost Because It Should Have Been A 2-Hour Mini-Series So It Doesn't Tax My Patience" thread and hang out there.

~Dan

Sheesh. You guys want some Dharma cheese to go along with your whine?

You all sound like Veruca Salt in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory: "I want a golden goose, daddy, and I want it NOW!"

Maybe you should start a "I Hate Lost Because It Should Have Been A 2-Hour Mini-Series So It Doesn't Tax My Patience" thread and hang out there.

~Dan

My Thoughts exactly!! I want the show to keep mysteries, that's the fun of of it! If you reveal everything too early, you don't have anywhere to go. ABC's thinking & hoping they gotta stretch this show out for 5 or 6 years maybe. Remember X-Files after the movie came out? It was never as good anymore because you knew too much about the conspiracy. I am just happy that the characters keep getting more development and we learn a bit of the puzzle every week.

And I seriously doubt a winning store would go through the trouble of reviewing security camera tapes to get a glimpse of the winner, assuming the lottery commission even provides them with the date/time the ticket was sold (questionable).

Actually I think that is exactly what the store would have done. This was a big lottery and no winner had yet come forward. They would know they sold the ticket and the time (assuming they got that info). If they had security camera footage, they would probably go through it. Publicity means $ and those stores are in the $ business.

Whether they would reveal the identity of the winner to the press is another question. However given how easy Hurly is to spot, a store employee might well see him and say “Look, that’s him over there…”.

Ed

I thought that one of the reasons Lost was unique was that it didn't tie of all the answers like an episode of Law and Order. It is like the old movie serials shown each Saturday that George Lucas used as inspiration for the Star Wars serial.

Once you know that Darth Vader is Luke's grandmother's son, that mystery is solved but some mysteries remain unsolved (Anakin, "Who is your real daddy?").

The writer's originally thought, at least from articles I have read, that people would be more interested in the backstories. That also gave them the opportunity to insert guest stars without having to resort to the Gilligan's Island drop by, go away premise.

I think what they found to their dismay was that at least a vocal part of the viewers were more interested in knowing the solutions to the island mysteries. I'm glad I don't have their job, because for every mystery they present and solve, they have to make the island more "mysterious" otherwise there goes the series.

3 months x 3 meals = 270 meals / 40 people = 6.75 meals each.

They should have had a Friday bunker meal for everybody for 6 or 7 weeks. They also should have put someone else in charge of the food.

Didn't someone say there was enough for 1 meal a day for 3 months though? Could be wrong, but that's how I remember hearing it.

I'm sure if we keep mentioning about AAA being on the slave ship, the writers will somehow write that into the script. The writers use ideas and feedback on the web to mold their scripts. That's why Jack is still alive. He was supposed to die in episode 3 but the writers changed after fan feedback.

Actually it was the network suits who decided Jack should stay, prior to the Pilot being aired.

Where's this "30 days of food" coming from?
I thought Hurley said it was enough for 3 meals per day for one person for a few months (or maybe he was specific and said 3 months). At any rate it was definitely more than 30 days.

I've lost almost all my math skills due to the advent of the PC and Microsoft Excel, but:

3 Meals a Day for 3 months (assuming 30 days to a month) = 270 meals

40 Survivors

270 Meals Divided by 40 survivors = 6.75 Meals

So assuming a 3 meal a day diet, they have a little over 2 days worth of food for the 40 people they have to feed.

You could cut the ration in half and then limit them to 2 meals a day (reasonable, anything is an improvement over what they've been dealing with).

540 meals divided by 40 survivors = 13.5 Meals

At two meals a day, that's almost a week's worth of food.

Still not a lot of food, but I'm not sure that I would have said 'screw it' and blown the whole thing on a party. But then again I haven't been near starvation for 6 weeks.

Edit: Sorry Cpanther, didn't see your post above. Glad to see our numbers matched though. I can apparently still do multiplication and division. :-)

Funny, I thought the same thing, and felt like Sawyer, Mike and Jin are next in line for dinner!

Perhaps it is the "others" that are practicing cannibalism.

Cameras can watch paying customers, but not see the ticket (numbers). BTW, I didn't get the impression at all that Hurley and his co-worker were very close friends.



The cameras wouldn't have to see the numbers, just who bought the ticket at that particular date/time. If the winning ticket was won at 3:15pm on a wednesday, pull that tape and see who was buying at that time.

I got the opposite impression than you, I felt Hurley and Road Trip boy were pretty close. They'd obviously been hanging out quite a bit, as he knew that Hugo had a crush on that girl for months.

Hugo asked her out BEFORE he announced his winning, because he wanted to know for sure that she liked him for him, not because he had $$.

He went on one last night out with his best friend before the news broke because he knew things would change. And he was right.

I hope you guys are wrong...

In my previous life as a reactor operator in the Navy, I can tell you that hollywood has consistently gotten almost everything wrong when dealing with nuclear reactors. I hope this show doesn't make the same mistake.

The bottom line is, if there is an "out of control" reactor, you don't need Homer Simpson typing "Y" from home every 108 minutes; all you need to do is scram the reactor and initiate reactor fill. Control rods are moved up and down like a motorized screw jack; de-energize the motors and they unlatch and are driven to the bottom of the core under spring force (a "scram")—Presto!...no more fission. The reactor fill system, sometimes called emergency injection, keeps the core flooded with water in the event of a loss of coolant accident and removes the heat produced by decaying fission products. It's automatic and (if left alone) fail-safe. (Three Mile Island had a meltdown only because operators didn't understand the situation and repeatedly overrode the automatic safety systems).

And nuclear reactors don't explode—and going "critical" is not a bad thing. ("Critical" means the nuclear reaction is self sustaining...a reactor producing power is always critical...)

My money is on a geothermal plant (hopefully)...

~Dan


Wow...good stuff. Thanks!

The show is almost unwatchable on my Vizio 42 HDTV plasma.In general, plasma TVs have poor contrast ratio. That means blacks are really dark gray and whites are really light gray. Adjusting the contrast will just mash the near whites and near blacks together at the upper and lower limits.

As with all of the TV technologies, plasma has its benefits and limits. Contrast ratio, burn in, lower color resolution, low MTBF, and high cost are some of the disadvantages. A thin display is one of the only benefits. That's the tradeoff you made. As suggested above, some calibration would probably help.


(Three Mile Island had a meltdown only because operators didn't understand the situation and repeatedly overrode the automatic safety systems).Technically, Three Mile Island didn't have a meltdown. There was an accident and radition leaked out of the inner containment, but it did not leak into the environment. My father was with the FDA at the time, and he had a plane ticket in his hand to fly there to survey the radition. But he didn't have to go, because none was leaked.And nuclear reactors don't explode—and going "critical" is not a bad thing. ("Critical" means the nuclear reaction is self sustaining...a reactor producing power is always critical...)Well, intelligently designed reactors don't...but Chernobyl wasn't designed that way, and it most definitely did explode. Those morons designed their reactor so that as the heat rose it caused a positive feedback loop that accelerated the meltdown. It's been a while since my Navy nuclear training, but I know our reactors actually force themselves to shut down by their design, using a negative feedback loop instead.


And for the LOST connection: I loved Sawyer referring to Ana as "Rambina!"

Xesdeeni

Sheesh. You guys want some Dharma cheese to go along with your whine?

You all sound like Veruca Salt in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory: "I want a golden goose, daddy, and I want it NOW!"

Maybe you should start a "I Hate Lost Because It Should Have Been A 2-Hour Mini-Series So It Doesn't Tax My Patience" thread and hang out there.

~Dan

Way to take an intelligent discussion down to another level.

All I'm saying is that there are a lot of unanswered mysteries dating back to very early in season one that it seems they have just let go by the wayside. Claire's baby seemed like a very important part of the reason they were all brought there. They devoted an entire episode of flashbacks to it. And then she was kidnapped. They were very intriguing episodes. But they happened a long time ago and haven't really been revisited. And there are a number of other storylines that have followed a simliar pattern. A lot of my co-workers and friends, and my wife have said to me that they are getting tired of waiting for a resolution to all of them. My question was whether everyone here felt they could or would tie up all of those storylines because it seems like they just keep creating more mysteries without following through on the original ones created. I love the show but it has taken a very erratic direction. If they were still exploring those stories without resolving them that would be different, the issue I'm bringing up is that they seem to have just forgotten some of those mysteries. And for viewers that can be frustrating in trying to understand things.

Patience, dear boy, patience. All in good time. This show is not for the ADD afflicted. For them, the networks thoughtfully provide endless quantities of police/forensic procedurals. You might try some of them, or collect the whole set! :)

Patience, dear boy, patience. All in good time. This show is not for the ADD afflicted. For them, the networks thoughtfully provide endless quantities of police/forensic procedurals. You might try some of them, or collect the whole set! :)


Absolutely! Having unanswered questions - even for a year or more - is not a detriment in my mind. I don't need all the past mysteries solved. Each week might solve 1 or a few, and introduce a few more, which is part of the intrigue and mystique of the show IMO...

Why wasn't the alarm sounding when Hurley woke up? The countdown was under 4 minutes, right? Doesn't the alarm start sounding when it gets to that point?

Kate came into the room and saw Hurley. She looked at the countdown and it was under 4 minutes, wasn't it?

Am I lost?

Technically, Three Mile Island didn't have a meltdown. There was an accident and radition leaked out of the inner containment, but it did not leak into the environment. My father was with the FDA at the time, and he had a plane ticket in his hand to fly there to survey the radition. But he didn't have to go, because none was leaked.Well, intelligently designed reactors don't...but Chernobyl wasn't designed that way, and it most definitely did explode. Those morons designed their reactor so that as the heat rose it caused a positive feedback loop that accelerated the meltdown. It's been a while since my Navy nuclear training, but I know our reactors actually force themselves to shut down by their design, using a negative feedback loop instead.

Xesdeeni

Way OT-

Actually, Chernobyl had a positive feedback at LOW power levels. At high powers the RBMK reactor design is reasonably stable. The Chernoyl operators were perfoming a test at the time of the accident. The test required running the reactor a very low power levels. In this situation, the RBMK design will normally not be able to sustain a reaction and will shutdown. The operators disabled safety systems and did a couple of other things to try and keep the reation going. Unfortunately by the time they realized what was actually happening in the reactor, the power started to rise and the control rods couldn't be inserted fast enough to stop the reation. From the time the emergency scram button was pushed until the steam explosion was ~7 seconds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_accident

Chad

Hmm, that means we could get 3 more backstories about Hurley winning the lottery before we find out what the monster/smoke is.

Yes patience, listen to more filler before you get to the hit tracks.

I like the slow development of the primary storyline. If they can keep coming up with side (or background) stories that are interesting and keep me looking forward to the next week, that's all I care about.

I posted that in Oct. '04 - and I still agree with it. However, I will say that recent backstories have been less interesting and less vital to the main story arc. Hopefully, that will change with the backstories of the new characters.

Patience, dear boy, patience. All in good time. This show is not for the ADD afflicted. For them, the networks thoughtfully provide endless quantities of police/forensic procedurals. You might try some of them, or collect the whole set! :)


LOL - that's a good point.

Why wasn't the alarm sounding when Hurley woke up? The countdown was under 4 minutes, right? Doesn't the alarm start sounding when it gets to that point?

Kate came into the room and saw Hurley. She looked at the countdown and it was under 4 minutes, wasn't it?

Am I lost?

The alarm was sounding. In fact, if you re-watch the dream sequence, you should notice that the guy in the chicken suit was blinking his eyes to the alarm sounds. Neat.

Why wasn't the alarm sounding when Hurley woke up? The countdown was under 4 minutes, right? Doesn't the alarm start sounding when it gets to that point?

Kate came into the room and saw Hurley. She looked at the countdown and it was under 4 minutes, wasn't it?

Am I lost?

The alarm was sounding (beeping). It was even incorporated into his dream.

Sulphur is fairly common in some well water. When I lived in FL, everyone sprayed the well water into a fine mist in a large "tank" to cast off all the sulphur. The sides of everyone's homes wreaked of it.

We have it here too, in the well water. Smells.

Maybe she farted and was blaming it on the sulphur in case Jack was heading right in for his shower. ;)

That couldn't be it. Woman don't fart (according to my ex-wife).

I posted that in Oct. '04 - and I still agree with it. However, I will say that recent backstories have been less interesting and less vital to the main story arc. Hopefully, that will change with the backstories of the new characters.

I am in total agreement. Hurley is one of my favorite characters so I personally didn't mind this week, because he obviously has a major role in why they are there. I also thought that when Jin started speaking English at the beginning it was one of the best moments of the series so far, as you thought for a split second he was behind everything, of course until the showed a guy standing next to him in a chicken suit.

Maybe she farted and was blaming it on the sulphur in case Jack was heading right in for his shower. ;)

I bet Kate wished that Walt's dog was around so she could place the blame on him :p

It is plausible the big guy is either from the crashed drug plane (from Africa, I believe), OR a descendant from the slave ship. I like the slave ship theory, even with no information at this point to suggest that.

Has this been mentioned yet? -- maybe the "Adam and Eve" found in the cave were the big guy's parents.

It will be interesting if it turns out that Charlie knows the big guy (from previous drug deals).

The alarm was sounding. In fact, if you re-watch the dream sequence, you should notice that the guy in the chicken suit was blinking his eyes to the alarm sounds. Neat.


It also sounded like the checkout beep you hear in walmart.

I personally don't buy any theories about the large black man being from anywhere else than the back of the plane. He was with the group of the survivors from the back of the plane, and they said nothing about him not being part of the group.

Besides, if he was somehow a descendant from a slave on the slave ship, A) where are the rest of the people, and B) how would he know English?

and I didn't notice an accent from him when he asked Sawyer if he was ok

The show is almost unwatchable on my Vizio 42 HDTV plasma. Scenes are mostly dark with no details and high contrast; or mostly with backlight with dark foreground. I live in Sacramento area with comcast cable. Any suggestion on what to adjust?

Yes - have it ISF calibrated. My picture is absolutely gorgeous.

More questions:
b) In general, which is better in displaying details in dark scenes: lcd or plasma?


Rear projection CRT.

I hope you guys are wrong...

In my previous life as a reactor operator in the Navy, I can tell you that hollywood has consistently gotten almost everything wrong when dealing with nuclear reactors. I hope this show doesn't make the same mistake.

The bottom line is, if there is an "out of control" reactor, you don't need Homer Simpson typing "Y" from home every 108 minutes; all you need to do is scram the reactor and initiate reactor fill. Control rods are moved up and down like a motorized screw jack; de-energize the motors and they unlatch and are driven to the bottom of the core under spring force (a "scram")—Presto!...no more fission. The reactor fill system, sometimes called emergency injection, keeps the core flooded with water in the event of a loss of coolant accident and removes the heat produced by decaying fission products. It's automatic and (if left alone) fail-safe. (Three Mile Island had a meltdown only because operators didn't understand the situation and repeatedly overrode the automatic safety systems).

And nuclear reactors don't explode—and going "critical" is not a bad thing. ("Critical" means the nuclear reaction is self sustaining...a reactor producing power is always critical...)

My money is on a geothermal plant (hopefully)...

~Dan


oh, so you were that guy who got zapped into the future with Michael Pare aboard that Naval ship ?

Wow... good eyes for whoever it was that caught that it was Walt on the milk carton Hurley was drinking from in the food storage area during his dream sequence. I thought this was kinda cute and didn't give it much thought at first. But Hurley is dreaming of Walt missing and he doesn't know Walt is missing. So maybe his dreams are more meaningful than I originally thought.

Why was Locke able to walk once he got to the island, and why did he almost lose that ability until Boone died?

I'm intrigued by a previous suggestion that something was implanted in Locke during the "kidney removal". I think we'll be seeing a lot more of Locke's "father" in the near future. I'm guessing he works for/runs the Dharma Initiative, and will be a major player in the answers to all of our questions.

Where's this "30 days of food" coming from?
I thought Hurley said it was enough for 3 meals per day for one person for a few months (or maybe he was specific and said 3 months). At any rate it was definitely more than 30 days.


and remember that the "30 days" of food was supposed to support only 2 people in the bunker for quite awhile (I forgot how long the Irish guy said), not for 40+ people

What the heck was that black smoke that came up from the ground at the end of last season that almost ate Locke?

A hallucinagenic apparition perhaps?

Perhaps I'm the only member here that sees how integral Hurley's backstory was to this episode. His stress at becoming the "hated guy" was becoming overwhelming. He was satisified with the ststus quo where he was just a happy go lucky fellow whom everyone liked. This was all about to change, at least in his perception, so the backstory gave us insight as to why he might be willing to go so far as to blow up the food supply rather than experience a similar trauma to the one he experienced after the lottery win.

This helps to explain why he was in the insane asylum as well. After his friends turned on him and he began his run of bad luck he had a nervous breakdown. Poor guys just wants to live a normal easygoing life where he is liked for himself, not for what he can do to reward or punish others. (No, not those others.)

hot chicks don't fart, do they?

& their sh*t don't stink, either!


Funny you mention that. In a recent interview Evie confirms that her S does stink!

Perhaps I'm the only member here that sees how integral Hurley's backstory was to this episode. His stress at becoming the "hated guy" was becoming overwhelming. He was satisified with the ststus quo where he was just a happy go lucky fellow whom everyone liked. This was all about to change, at least in his perception, so the backstory gave us insight as to why he might be willing to go so far as to blow up the food supply rather than experience a similar trauma to the one he experienced after the lottery win.

This helps to explain why he was in the insane asylum as well. After his friends turned on him and he began his run of bad luck he had a nervous breakdown. Poor guys just wants to live a normal easygoing life where he is liked for himself, not for what he can do to reward or punish others. (No, not those others.)


I got the impression that he was a patient there BEFORE he won the lottery.

A hallucinagenic apparition perhaps?

Boy, you guys need to read back a few pages; got that one figured out. ;)

I got the impression that he was a patient there BEFORE he won the lottery.Right. Hurley got the numbers from a crazy dude in the assylum and used the numbers to win the lottery.

...do you guys think they can tie all this stuff up and satisfy the viewers?

No; personally, I don't. The writers didn't expect the show to take off like it did, and I believe they are now "making it up as they go" so to speak. Can they tie everything together in a plausible way by the time the show ends? I'll admit they are incredibly ingenious currently as far as writing goes, but I hope we get answers to questions while the show is running and not just a "fluff" ending where they try to answer everything superficially in the last show of the series, whenever that might be.

I got the impression that he was a patient there BEFORE he won the lottery.

Great in one single sentence you blow my entire theory. :) You sir are correct, perhaps the writers made a mistake. :confused:

Great in one single sentence you blow my entire theory. :) You sir are correct, perhaps the writers made a mistake. :confused:

Don't feel bad...remember I'm the guy who came up with the clone theory :-)

I agree... this had to be a scriptwriting mistake. It wouldn't have been enough just to remember that Hugo/Hurley bought a ticket from him - the only way the clerk would have recognized Hurley as the big winner was if the clerk was somehow a photographic-memory genius who memorized the faces and the numbers selected by everyone who bought a lottery ticket at his store. Impossible. There's a reason why the press (and the sales agent) have to wait for the winners to come forward before they are ID'd - there's no record kept of who bought the winning ticket, only where it was sold.

I used to sell lottery tickets, and you're absolutely correct - this segment was totally unbelievable...unless of course, as someone mentioned, they had it on the security system videotape. They would know the place/time that the ticket was sold, and Hurley would be rather memorable/recognizable if they viewed the tape. I wish they had worked that in.

A friend posed a theory, which might be plausible. What if this is a nuclear related site? The 108 minute countdown keeps the reactor from melting down.

Don't you think that would be far too important to trust in the off-handed way it's been handled?

i dont see the big deal about the clerk remembering him - number 1, hurly is not easy to forget. # 2, maybe he played the same number every day for years? Im assuming, like most people do, he always played the same number every day, and the same clerk is taking his numbers every day, and again, he's not easy to forget, so when the clerk heard the numbers and found out he sold the winning ticket he remembered its the fat guys numbers. Sounds more then logical to me.

Sorry, I disagree. Possible, but it would require an incredulously photographic memory on the part of the person selling him the tickets, and you would have to assume that Hurley bought from the same salesperson every time, bought only one ticket, and gave the numbers to the salesperson verbally. A stretch, me thinks.

Maybe Hurley went in there all the time and played the same numbers.

I sold lottery tickets for years to thousands of people who played the same numbers all the time, and I couldn't tell you what their numbers were.

I hope you guys are wrong...

In my previous life as a reactor operator in the Navy, I can tell you that hollywood has consistently gotten almost everything wrong when dealing with nuclear reactors. I hope this show doesn't make the same mistake.

The bottom line is, if there is an "out of control" reactor, you don't need Homer Simpson typing "Y" from home every 108 minutes; all you need to do is scram the reactor and initiate reactor fill. Control rods are moved up and down like a motorized screw jack; de-energize the motors and they unlatch and are driven to the bottom of the core under spring force (a "scram")—Presto!...no more fission. The reactor fill system, sometimes called emergency injection, keeps the core flooded with water in the event of a loss of coolant accident and removes the heat produced by decaying fission products. It's automatic and (if left alone) fail-safe. (Three Mile Island had a meltdown only because operators didn't understand the situation and repeatedly overrode the automatic safety systems).

And nuclear reactors don't explode—and going "critical" is not a bad thing. ("Critical" means the nuclear reaction is self sustaining...a reactor producing power is always critical...)

My money is on a geothermal plant (hopefully)...

~Dan

Oh...

Got it.

(staring blankly)

A stretch, me thinks.

If we can look past surviving a 35,000 foot fall, I think this should be no problem. :)

Maybe Hurley went to the convenience store and had the ticket validated. The clerk would surely remember him then.

But Hurley still had possession of the lottery ticket. He's not done anything with it yet.

I sold lottery tickets for years to thousands of people who played the same numbers all the time, and I couldn't tell you what their numbers were.
I am sure that is true, but I think given thet other events in lost, the fact that the store clerk remembers Hurly was the one that bought the winning ticket is not a very big stretch.
Maybe Hurley comes in there everyday and talks to the clerk, so the clerk somewhat knows him as a regular.

I will say that recent backstories have been less interesting and less vital to the main story arc. Hopefully, that will change with the backstories of the new characters.

But will we be as interested in the "new" characters, or will that be the point that the show "jumps the shark", so to speak.

In general, plasma TVs have poor contrast ratio. That means blacks are really dark gray and whites are really light gray. Adjusting the contrast will just mash the near whites and near blacks together at the upper and lower limits.

Huh? Actually plasmas have excellent contrast ratios (well, decent plasmas do anyway). Most are on the order of about 3000:1 which kicks the crap out of LCD's, is above LCD projection, and rivals many projection DLP's.

I bet Kate wished that Walt's dog was around so she could place the blame on him :p

Hah!!! Remember that scene in the movie "10"?

Any thoughts on why Desmond felt it was important to pack a stuffed animal in his bag before evacuating in last weeks episode? It looked like maybe a Rabbit??

Wow... either the lotto thing was a stretch... or it wasn't. It really makes no difference at all one way or the other. I think they need to bring back Seinfeld just so they can make an episode about this debate :p.


ron

Technically, Three Mile Island didn't have a meltdown. There was an accident and radition leaked out of the inner containment, but it did not leak into the environment. My father was with the FDA at the time, and he had a plane ticket in his hand to fly there to survey the radition. But he didn't have to go, because none was leaked.
Well, according to the Accident Report, there was fuel melting, and radioactivity was released to the environment (luckily, not much, and the containment held).

Here's the summary on the NRC web site: http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/3mile-isle.html.

From that fact sheet:

Because adequate cooling was not available, the nuclear fuel overheated to the point at which the zirconium cladding (the long metal tubes which hold the nuclear fuel pellets) ruptured and the fuel pellets began to melt. It was later found that about one-half of the core melted during the early stages of the accident.
The accident caught federal and state authorities off-guard. They were concerned about the small releases of radioactive gases that were measured off-site by the late morning of March 28 and even more concerned about the potential threat that the reactor posed to the surrounding population.


Chernobyl wasn't designed that way, and it most definitely did explode. Those morons designed their reactor so that as the heat rose it caused a positive feedback loop that accelerated the meltdown.
It was steam explosion that occurred after the graphite moderator caught fire from overheating. It's wasn't a nuclear blast caused by the reactor going "critical," as hollywood always makes reactor accidents appear.


It's been a while since my Navy nuclear training, but I know our reactors actually force themselves to shut down by their design, using a negative feedback loop instead.
The beauty of using water as a moderator as well as for the coolant...that wonderful negative alpha-T!


I was in the Navy from 1980 through 1986...since both TMI and Chernobyl had just happened, it was heavily reviewed and lessons learned were widely promulgated...

~Dan

Any thoughts on why Desmond felt it was important to pack a stuffed animal in his bag before evacuating in last weeks episode? It looked like maybe a Rabbit??

Whoever is behind bigspaceship.com might know.

But will we be as interested in the "new" characters, or will that be the point that the show "jumps the shark", so to speak.

That's entirely up to the writers. No reason they can't be just as, or more, interesting as the "primary" characters.

That's entirely up to the writers. No reason they can't be just as, or more, interesting as the "primary" characters.

I think it will be more up to the viewers, no?

I am sure that is true, but I think given thet other events in lost, the fact that the store clerk remembers Hurly was the one that bought the winning ticket is not a very big stretch.
Maybe Hurley comes in there everyday and talks to the clerk, so the clerk somewhat knows him as a regular.

But how much of a stretch was it that they just happened to go to the store when they were interviewing the clerk? I just can't see how anyone can make a big deal out of the clerk knowing it was hurly, when all of the other crazy stuff has been happening on Lost.

I think it will be more up to the viewers, no?
No - good writing with an interesting plot will result in interested viewers. It rarely works in reverse.

What the heck was that black smoke that came up from the ground at the end of last season that almost ate Locke?
A hallucinagenic apparition perhaps?

In The Third Policeman, it's called "Black Air"... ;)

~Dan

I am sure that is true, but I think given thet other events in lost, the fact that the store clerk remembers Hurly was the one that bought the winning ticket is not a very big stretch.
Maybe Hurley comes in there everyday and talks to the clerk, so the clerk somewhat knows him as a regular.
I thought this has been resolved. They have video cameras at these stores and the lotto ticket has a time stamp on it. Why does anyone think it's a stretch that the clerk wouldn't know who bought it? The store has a vested interest in whether it sold a winning ticket or not as they get a payout themselves. If I owned the store and knew I had sold the winning ticket, I sure as hell would want to know who it was and if they were going to cash it in.

No - good writing with an interesting plot will result in interested viewers. It rarely works in reverse.

Two words: Danielle Brisebois

But how much of a stretch was it that they just happened to go to the store when they were interviewing the clerk? I just can't see how anyone can make a big deal out of the clerk knowing it was hurly, when all of the other crazy stuff has been happening on Lost.

Exactly, if you want to really nitpick, yes, probably the odds of them being there at the exact same time as the TV crews was even more of a stretch.

But, who really cares? It's such a minor detail in the overall scheme of things here.

I think it would be great if the writers had the characters in the show start speculating about what's going on the way we do here. There could be a solid episode of dialogue like Sayid saying, "Radiation poisoning from a nuclear reactor leak might explain the sickness Rousseau was speaking of", and Locke countering, "No no no, the island is controlling us! The island knows everything", and so forth, much of it taken directly from forums like this one. And then the episode would end with some major event that throws all of their crazy theories right out the window.

"I'm intrigued by a previous suggestion that something was implanted in Locke during the "kidney removal". I think we'll be seeing a lot more of Locke's "father" in the near future. I'm guessing he works for/runs the Dharma Initiative, and will be a major player in the answers to all of our questions."

I would bet that Locke's "father" is the con man that Sawyer has been after all these years.

Going back to Clair for a moment. COuld it be that Clair was takin in order to give her a full check up prior to her having the baby? Just a quick, make sure everything is OK. Induce amnesia so she cant remember the check up. THen after the birth have Danielle steal the baby to give it a thourough check up? Sounds like something you would do for the sake of safety in an experiment.

I think it would be great if the writers had the characters in the show start speculating about what's going on the way we do here. There could be a solid episode of dialogue like Sayid saying, "Radiation poisoning from a nuclear reactor leak might explain the sickness Rousseau was speaking of", and Locke countering, "No no no, the island is controlling us! The island knows everything", and so forth, much of it taken directly from forums like this one. And then the episode would end with some major event that throws all of their crazy theories right out the window.

They'd have to give us writing credit...and scale.

Going back to Clair for a moment. COuld it be that Clair was takin in order to give her a full check up prior to her having the baby? Just a quick, make sure everything is OK. Induce amnesia so she cant remember the check up. THen after the birth have Danielle steal the baby to give it a thourough check up? Sounds like something you would do for the sake of safety in an experiment.

Or an alien abduction.

I think it would be great if the writers had the characters in the show start speculating about what's going on the way we do here. There could be a solid episode of dialogue like Sayid saying, "Radiation poisoning from a nuclear reactor leak might explain the sickness Rousseau was speaking of", and Locke countering, "No no no, the island is controlling us! The island knows everything", and so forth, much of it taken directly from forums like this one. And then the episode would end with some major event that throws all of their crazy theories right out the window.

This sounds like an idea for a clip show.

"I'm intrigued by a previous suggestion that something was implanted in Locke during the "kidney removal". I think we'll be seeing a lot more of Locke's "father" in the near future. I'm guessing he works for/runs the Dharma Initiative, and will be a major player in the answers to all of our questions."

I would bet that Locke's "father" is the con man that Sawyer has been after all these years.

Going back to Clair for a moment. COuld it be that Clair was takin in order to give her a full check up prior to her having the baby? Just a quick, make sure everything is OK. Induce amnesia so she cant remember the check up. THen after the birth have Danielle steal the baby to give it a thourough check up? Sounds like something you would do for the sake of safety in an experiment.


so you're saying that the "Others" are actually stranded gynecologists ?

No - good writing with an interesting plot will result in interested viewers. It rarely works in reverse.


Then explain the success of 'Friends' :-)

j/k never liked that show

Wow, creeping nukism invades the Lost board. There's no way that there's any kind of nuclear reactor involved; there weren't any donuts in the food locker. I still work at a nuke and I know this to be an essential ingredient in the operation and maintenance of the plant.

But Hurley still had possession of the lottery ticket. He's not done anything with it yet.Maybe I am not understanding how the lottery works but in my state, you can take any powerball ticket to a store that sells them and have them run through the powerball machine and the clerk will let you know if the ticket is a winner. Maybe Hugo wanted to make sure it was really a winner and he took it back to the store and had the clerk run it through the lottery machine. The clerk would have then handed it back to Hugo because there was nothing he could do with the ticket at that point.

so you're saying that the "Others" are actually stranded gynecologists ?Ahh, hahahaha! :D .....but wait, maybe they are! Seems like on this island, anyone can be just about anything. At least for a few episodes.

Maybe I am not understanding how the lottery works but in my state, you can take any powerball ticket to a store that sells them and have them run through the powerball machine and the clerk will let you know if the ticket is a winner. Maybe Hugo wanted to make sure it was really a winner and he took it back to the store and had the clerk run it through the lottery machine. The clerk would have then handed it back to Hugo because there was nothing he could do with the ticket at that point.

I was referring to "validation" mentioned by previous posters.

I would bet that Locke's "father" is the con man that Sawyer has been after all these years.

Oooh, I like this theory. How awesome would it be if Locke's father were revealed to be named Sawyer?

How did they get clair's baby back I seem to have forgot.

They found it crying by the black smoke.

Has there been any discussion of the numerous "vortexes" that some claim exist around the world?

A vortex appears to be located near where the plane likely crashed.

This would be the Tubuai Island, South Pacific vortex ... just south of the Cook Islands.

That might tie in well with the electromagnetic and paranormal aspects of the series.

http://www.crystalinks.com/bermuda.html

The most famous vortexes would be the Bermunda / Devil's triangles.

I was referring to "validation" mentioned by previous posters.Eh? You quoted me.

Wow, creeping nukism invades the Lost board. There's no way that there's any kind of nuclear reactor involved; there weren't any donuts in the food locker. I still work at a nuke and I know this to be an essential ingredient in the operation and maintenance of the plant.

Of course, look at Homer Simpson. Dooouuuggghhhhnnnnuuuuttttsss. :)

No - good writing with an interesting plot will result in interested viewers. It rarely works in reverse.
Then explain the success of 'Friends' :-)
Or Joey....Um, nevermind... :)

~Dan

Now bigspaceship1's playing Creosote's "I Made A Wish Upon A Satellite". Catchy tune. I'm going to start a new thread for this site.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6358133#post6358133

Wow, creeping nukism invades the Lost board. There's no way that there's any kind of nuclear reactor involved; there weren't any donuts in the food locker. I still work at a nuke and I know this to be an essential ingredient in the operation and maintenance of the plant.

Mmmmm...donuts...

Just to get waaaaay off-topic...I really love that new Nextel commercial with the guys in the control room having some stupid conversation, while guys are running around the plant in anti-c's, with alarms going off, looking for the proper valve to turn... :D

~Dan

I would bet that Locke's "father" is the con man that Sawyer has been after all these years.
Ooooh...I like that!

~Dan

Even off the show, Sawyer has problems:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/eo/20051014/en_celeb_eo/17570

Ooooh...I like that!

~Dan
I like that idea too, it would seem to fit in pretty seamlessly.

I like that idea too, it would seem to fit in pretty seamlessly.
Man of Science <------------------------------------> Man of Faith

Jack <--> Jack's Dad <--> Sawyer <--> Locke's Dad <--> Locke

Jack to Locke: Four degrees of separation. I'm sure Kevin Bacon is in there somewhere, too... :)

~Dan

Even off the show, Sawyer has problems:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/eo/20051014/en_celeb_eo/17570
Who was it a few pages back that said, "if anyone else gets the drop on Sawyer, I'm gonna scream"?

Plugging my ears...

~Dan

Man of Science <------------------------------------> Man of Faith

Jack <--> Jack's Dad <--> Sawyer <--> Locke's Dad <--> Locke

Jack to Locke: Four degrees of separation. I'm sure Kevin Bacon is in there somewhere, too... :)

~Dan

Terry O'Quinn was in Mrs. Soffel (1984) with Dan Lett
Dan Lett was in Cavedweller (2004) with Kevin Bacon

>OR<

Matthew Fox was in My Boyfriend's Back (1993) with Paul Dooley
Paul Dooley was in Telling Lies in America (1997) with Kevin Bacon

>OR<

Josh Holloway was in Dr. Benny (2003) with Adam (I) Nelson
Adam (I) Nelson was in Mystic River (2003) with Kevin Bacon

>OR<

John (I) Terry was in Of Mice and Men (1992) with Sherilyn Fenn
Sherilyn Fenn was in Cavedweller (2004) with Kevin Bacon

>OR<

Kevin (I) Tighe was in Bright Angel (1991) with Benjamin (I) Bratt
Benjamin (I) Bratt was in Woodsman, The (2004) with Kevin Bacon

Man of Science <------------------------------------> Man of Faith

Jack <--> Jack's Dad <--> Sawyer <--> Locke's Dad <--> Locke

Jack to Locke: Four degrees of separation. I'm sure Kevin Bacon is in there somewhere, too... :)

~Dan
Needs to be somebody else as well, I think the theory is "six degrees of separation".. :)

I'm begining to think more about the theory of how the survivors are all related somehow by a past event or encounter.
In the last episode, we learn of a link between Hurley and the Hobbit - Hurley was looking at a Driveshaft CD in the music store right before he asked that girl out (she sure was cute BTW - I expected her to turn him down). He seemed to be enjoying the music and I got the impression he was a fan.
It has been discussed that Hurley's boss was also Locke's boss, and that Hurley owned a box factory - Locke worked in a box factory.
We know Jack met the new gun chick in the airplane bar. We think Jack was the presiding doctor when Shannon's father came in after the car accident. Not to mention Jack and Donovan's meeting.
These are just some of the connections off the top of my head. I'm sure there are several more. Is anyone tracking these?
I know the connection theory is not a new thought, but I don't recall Hurley and the Driveshaft CD being brought up before, and I think the Hurley/Locke boss was new this week as well.

Needs to be somebody else as well, I think the theory is "six degrees of separation".. :)
CPanther95 has graciously filled in several of the missing two links.

I knew it'd be there, somehow!

~Dan

I'm begining to think more about the theory of how the survivors are all related somehow by a past event or encounter.
In the last episode, we learn of a link between Hurley and the Hobbit - Hurley was looking at a Driveshaft CD in the music store right before he asked that girl out (she sure was cute BTW - I expected her to turn him down). He seemed to be enjoying the music and I got the impression he was a fan.


i got the impression he was making fun of it...the kind of dumb song you can't get out of your head like: "doowop" or "It's a small world" or "MAKE YOUR OWN KIND OF MUSIC" lol

Needs to be somebody else as well, I think the theory is "six degrees of separation".. :)

The theory is:

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci932596,00.html . There doesn't HAVE to be 6 degrees; we're all supposedly related by NO MORE THAN 6 degrees of separation.

The best "6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon" site is The Oracle of Bacon at:

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/oracle/

I'm begining to think more about the theory of how the survivors are all related somehow by a past event or encounter.
In the last episode, we learn of a link between Hurley and the Hobbit - Hurley was looking at a Driveshaft CD in the music store right before he asked that girl out (she sure was cute BTW - I expected her to turn him down). He seemed to be enjoying the music and I got the impression he was a fan.
It has been discussed that Hurley's boss was also Locke's boss, and that Hurley owned a box factory - Locke worked in a box factory.
We know Jack met the new gun chick in the airplane bar. We think Jack was the presiding doctor when Shannon's father came in after the car accident. Not to mention Jack and Donovan's meeting.
These are just some of the connections off the top of my head. I'm sure there are several more. Is anyone tracking these?
I know the connection theory is not a new thought, but I don't recall Hurley and the Driveshaft CD being brought up before, and I think the Hurley/Locke boss was new this week as well.

We need a tree (flow chart) - anybody care to work on one?

i got the impression he was making fun of it...the kind of dumb song you can't get out of your head like: "doowop" or "It's a small world" or "MAKE YOUR OWN KIND OF MUSIC" lol

Um-Bop!

My Opinions/questions:

-The Kwik-E-Mart clerk reconizing Hurley is no big deal. It's a TV show - especialy Lost - little things like that happen. (Altough, I must say I don't think Hurley would have been playing the numbers every day - they wouldn't be as special if he did.)

- The bigspaceship thing will not tell you what the numbers mean, where Walt got his powers, why Claire's baby is special, etc. No use in paying attention to it.


- I'm not sure why Hurley's friend would feel betrayed - he didn't realize Hurley was just going to tell him?

Just a thought...

Wouldn't it be interesting to have a complete set of DVD with commentaries by JJ when the series is over? :)

Hong.

I loved the show this week. Just now getting caught up with the thread.

For those who are speculating that Hurley either got the numbers from the clerk or kept playing the same numbers, remember that he got them from the guy in the crazy house, who heard them broadcast over radio. I'm not sure, but I think he only played once and won.Here's the thing; I believe Hurley's co-worker and the guy from the asylum are one and the same. He feels 'played' because Hurley used his numbers without revealing himself to be the winner. I said I was through with that issue, but does anyone have a JPG of his ticket? Something tells me there's no time/date stamp on it. Anyways, I too, think Hurley speaking korean was a stroke of brilliance. If the writers are making this stuff up on the go, more power to 'em.

The best "6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon" site is The Oracle of Bacon at:

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/oracle/

That's the one I used.

The theory is:

........There doesn't HAVE to be 6 degrees; we're all supposedly related by NO MORE THAN 6 degrees of separation.



Right, it's "up to" 6 degrees. Locke & Jack are 4 degrees apart in the storyline (building on the Locke's "Dad" is actually the "real" Sawyer) - but all 5 actors involved are only 2 degrees away from Kevin Bacon.

After playing around, I stumbled on a "3 degree from Kevin Bacon" that spans 90 years - and a "4 degree" spanning 100 years. :eek:

Sam Cramer was in Man Trail, The (1915) with Ralph Morgan
Ralph Morgan was in Dick Tracy vs. Crime Inc. (1941) with Wally Rose
Wally Rose was in Murder in the First (1995) with Kevin Bacon

May Clark was in Rescued by Rover (1905) with Sebastian Smith
Sebastian Smith was in Beauty and the Barge (1937) with Jack Hawkins
Jack Hawkins was in Adventures of Gerard, The (1970) with Eli Wallach
Eli Wallach was in Mystic River (2003) with Kevin Bacon

Here's the thing; I believe Hurley's co-worker and the guy from the asylum are one and the same. He feels 'played' because Hurley used his numbers without revealing himself to be the winner.Nope.

The asylum guy was much older, and completely nuts. This new guy is just a little weird.

Right, it's "up to" 6 degrees. Locke & Jack are 4 degrees apart in the storyline (building on the Locke's "Dad" is actually the "real" Sawyer) - but all 5 actors involved are only 2 degrees away from Kevin Bacon.

After playing around, I stumbled on a "3 degree from Kevin Bacon" that spans 90 years - and a "4 degree" spanning 100 years. :eek:

Sam Cramer was in Man Trail, The (1915) with Ralph Morgan
Ralph Morgan was in Dick Tracy vs. Crime Inc. (1941) with Wally Rose
Wally Rose was in Murder in the First (1995) with Kevin Bacon

May Clark was in Rescued by Rover (1905) with Sebastian Smith
Sebastian Smith was in Beauty and the Barge (1937) with Jack Hawkins
Jack Hawkins was in Adventures of Gerard, The (1970) with Eli Wallach
Eli Wallach was in Mystic River (2003) with Kevin Bacon

Here's the count:

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/cgi-bin/oracle/center-cgi?who=Kevin+Bacon

Nope.

The asylum guy was much older, and completely nuts. This new guy is just a little weird.There was an asylum flashback? I totally missed it.

There was an asylum flashback? I totally missed it.
No, you didn't miss it.

In the first Hurley backstory (last year), Hurley explained that he met this guy in a psych ward who spent all his time reciting the numbers. This fellow had been in the military (who's, I don't remember) stationed on some remote listening post and who heard the numbers via radio.

Hurley's reason for going to Australia was looking up a friend of that fellow...

(Or something along those lines...)

~Dan

No, you didn't miss it.

Maybe you missed it also - they actually did show a flashback with Hurley talking to the guy in the asylum.

Maybe you missed it also - they actually did show a flashback with Hurley talking to the guy in the asylum.
Yes he did, it was at the Santa Rosa psych clinic or something..? :eek: :D

Yeah - Hurley went back and said he used the numbers and the crazy guy almost ate Hurley.

Maybe you missed it also - they actually did show a flashback with Hurley talking to the guy in the asylum.
:eek: I guess I did!

My brother just called and he said he saw a LOST hardback book with dvd attached and a new bimonthly LOST magazine both at walmart. Has anyone seen these and if so what are the contents of the book?

I'm definitely going to have to watch the replay on Sat then since I don't have a HD-DVR. The girl I'm thinking of I'm pretty sure was in one of the bunker scenes at the end, and she made an impression on me because she was wearing a much more "interesting" top than the one the Watros character had on ;).


ronWell, I watched the rebroadcast last night and you were right all the way CP. In the scene where the Watros character tells Michael "there were" in regard to the number left in their group, it looks like the may have fixed her hair up a bit and hiked her top down a little for "dramatic effect" :). The first time I saw it I thought it was a different girl but it was definitely Watros. And I never did see the other actress even keeping an eye out for her. imdb.com listed her as "flight attendant" in the ep but I sure didn't see her anywhere....


ron

I think the flight attendent was in the opening scene on the beach she was in her uniform, but I think that was the only time. She also helped drag the body to the pit.

Something that came to mind this morning as I woke up - around 8:15 I guess :) Related to the reactor/geothermal/electromagnetic/psyicological experiment.

Is it possible the numbers represent minutes of some process with the "thing" for lack of a better word. Valve changes or some type of "flush". They add up to 108 minutes, so if you have a repeating 108 minute cycle that has to be broken up into segments?

Don't know - just something that came to mind before fully awake this morning. Man - perhaps I need a life if that is what wakes me up in the morning.

If you had awakened at 1:08 AM your story would have had more punch. :)

Hi all, regarding the possible dharma logo on the plane wreckage.

I was watching the first season eps, and in the one where Ethan gets shot, right after that scene they are sitting around a fire talking and it appears the same piece of wreckage is behind them. The octagonal looking edges are really just some metal flanging around a hatch. Doesn't look anything like dharma up close.

Something that came to mind this morning as I woke up - around 8:15 I guess :) Related to the reactor/geothermal/electromagnetic/psyicological experiment.

Is it possible the numbers represent minutes of some process with the "thing" for lack of a better word. Valve changes or some type of "flush". They add up to 108 minutes, so if you have a repeating 108 minute cycle that has to be broken up into segments?

Don't know - just something that came to mind before fully awake this morning. Man - perhaps I need a life if that is what wakes me up in the morning.
This is about as good an explanation as any else I've heard. Sounds logical.

The theory is:

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci932596,00.html . There doesn't HAVE to be 6 degrees; we're all supposedly related by NO MORE THAN 6 degrees of separation.

The best "6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon" site is The Oracle of Bacon at:

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/oracle/The best thing about this is how Kevin Bacon himself seems to have taken it. Granted, he got paid, but he was in a commercial based on it a few years ago. What a good sport!

Back to Lost: Could anyone tell whether the concrete walls in the second bunker looked like original walls, or if they were added later like the ones Sayid and Jack were trying to get through/around?

Xesdeeni

Um-Bop!

Exactly!

Something that came to mind this morning as I woke up - around 8:15 I guess :) Related to the reactor/geothermal/electromagnetic/psyicological experiment.

Is it possible the numbers represent minutes of some process with the "thing" for lack of a better word. Valve changes or some type of "flush". They add up to 108 minutes, so if you have a repeating 108 minute cycle that has to be broken up into segments?

Don't know - just something that came to mind before fully awake this morning. Man - perhaps I need a life if that is what wakes me up in the morning.


If this were the case they could have easily made the computer perform the sequence over again after it finished without any operator intervention. So maybe they did it on purpose just to screw with them.

If this were the case they could have easily made the computer perform the sequence over again after it finished without any operator intervention. So maybe they did it on purpose just to screw with them.

Maybe the powers that be just want to make sure there are still 'healthy' people on the island and that the 'medicine' is working.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathOpie
If this were the case they could have easily made the computer perform the sequence over again after it finished without any operator intervention. So maybe they did it on purpose just to screw with them.


True - I thought of that - which goes back to it being a psychological experiment.

Why wouldn't they write a program to handle that sequence? And perhaps upgrade the computer to something a bit more industrial and designed for such purposes. So that would lead you to - psychological experiment.

But the contradiction to that is - what's up with all the concrete poured over the works? Seems like a long way to go to set up a psychological experiment.

It makes no sense - none of it does - I don't understand!?!

Perhaps we are the psychological experiment?

If it turns out to be a psychological experiment, I would be so pissed. That would be a total cop out.

I'm beginning to wonder even more about the whole "polarity" issue that has been mentioned before so many times (yin yang, light dark, black white). In the hatch they've found what appears to be an electromagnetic source. Magnets have positive and negative polarity - two sides - push and pull. Meanwhile, the new survivors (back half of the plane) seem to be living an entirely different existence than the main folks we've come to know. The "back halfers" seem aggressive, violent and paranoid, where the originals seem pretty much peaceful and cooperative.


hmmmmm. That might explain the "polar" bear. Not only a white-black connection, but an obvious magnetic connection. Maybe we'll see that a black bear is terrorizing the "black halfers"?

I'm stll going through rewatching seaon 1.

Was there much discussion here previously about what Boone hears on the airplane radio right before it falls down?

I was watching with captions on, and it looks like he hears someone else say that they are survivors of flight 815.

I'm stll going through rewatching seaon 1.

Was there much discussion here previously about what Boone hears on the airplane radio right before it falls down?

I was watching with captions on, and it looks like he hears someone else say that they are survivors of flight 815.

that is what they said on the radio. Most likely the other 815 survivors, in the other bunker, have a radio that picked up Boone's signal

Folks- Locke's boss and Hurley's boss are NOT one in the same. Locke's boss looks like a young Gen-X punk. Hurley's boss was a little older, little more polished as a manager.

that is what they said on the radio. Most likely the other 815 survivors, in the other bunker, have a radio that picked up Boone's signal

There was a great deal of discussion, as ABC pulled a bit of a fast one. In the original airing of the episode, Boone hears "There were no survivors of Flight 815!".

But in subsequent recaps and previews, it was changed to "We're the survivors of Flight 815!".

I think the writers may have changed their mind on what direction to proceed and hoped noone would notice the change. But they weren't counting on all the geeks like us that hang on every detail.

It is now officially "We're the survivors of Flight 815!"

If it turns out to be a psychological experiment, I would be so pissed. That would be a total cop out.

What explanation would not get you "pissed"?

If it turns out to be a psychological experiment, I would be so pissed. That would be a total cop out.


hey, I'm half hoping it is an experiment on the off chance we get to see Desmond's face when he finds out! :-)

"Sorry Brother, just seeing if you would do it! See you in another life! Sorry you wasted 3 years of yours!" :-)

If this were the case they could have easily made the computer perform the sequence over again after it finished without any operator intervention. So maybe they did it on purpose just to screw with them.

If thay did a automation of the countdown, then it would no longer be a Deadmans switch!

Ok, here are some theries about it - and like the show - they raise as many questions as they try to answer.

Here goes:
The number punching was a psycological experiment that used some "good luck" numbers conjured up in the numerology bunker.

Well - something goes wrong on the island (the pre 1980 incident) and only the guys punching in the numbers come out ok.

They determine the numbers ward off the bad thing - whatever it is, and it must be punched in every 108 minutes - must be humans punching it in - no program will work.

Questions this brings up - why were the numbers being broadcast over the radio signal - prior to the French woman changing the message?

Why would the numbers be engraved on the hatch?

When did the last replacement crew before Desmond arrive? Wouldn't that be after the French woman changed the radio signal? Was that why they were the last crew to arrive?

Why has the Dharma project been abandoned by it's corporate sponsor? Or has it?




hey, I'm half hoping it is an experiment on the off chance we get to see Desmond's face when he finds out! :-)

"Sorry Brother, just seeing if you would do it! See you in another life! Sorry you wasted 3 years of yours!" :-)

Folks- Locke's boss and Hurley's boss are NOT one in the same. Locke's boss looks like a young Gen-X punk. Hurley's boss was a little older, little more polished as a manager.

imdb.com lists a Billy Ray Gallion as appearing as 'Randy' both in "Walkabout"(s1e04) and "Everybody Hates Hugo"(s2e04).

see photo here: http://www.allmegastar.com/c/BillyRayGallion_1.html

When Desmond was running away he came across Jack where Jack said he had married the girl that he'd "healed". I forget if this was before or after the computer had been fixed. Anybody remember?

If it had been fixed, why wouldn't Jack bring it up at all in the conversation when it looked like that was the reason Desmond was running?

I suspect that Desmond knew exactly where he was headed, and I wouldn't be surprised if it has something to do with The Others or another Dharma station.

It was before. Desmond gave Jack the code (I guess assuming it would be fixed). Jack returned to the bunker and corrected Locke's code (even though Hurley knew it - but preferred Locke to type in the wrong code).


When Desmond was running away he came across Jack where Jack said he had married the girl that he'd "healed". I forget if this was before or after the computer had been fixed. Anybody remember?

If it had been fixed, why wouldn't Jack bring it up at all in the conversation when it looked like that was the reason Desmond was running?

I suspect that Desmond knew exactly where he was headed, and I wouldn't be surprised if it has something to do with The Others or another Dharma station.

imdb.com lists a Billy Ray Gallion as appearing as 'Randy' both in "Walkabout"(s1e04) and "Everybody Hates Hugo"(s2e04).
That pretty well ties together that the box company Locke worked at is the same one Hurley owns.

But didn't Hurley's financial advisor say the box company burned down?

~Dan

But didn't Hurley's financial advisor say the box company burned down?

Yes.

In hindsight, mixing large stores of cardboard and deep fat fryers was probably a bad idea.

Let me toss out something I noticed to go along with the mysterious top of the line 2005 Whirlpool washer dryer setup-- if you look at the electrical switches in some of the shots you will note they are the very current Decora paddle type switch that has only been on the market for 5 years or so, certainly not circa 1980. Either the prop department is falling down on the job, we are all too observant, or the bunker's had some major equipment upgrades in the last year or two.

Let me toss out something I noticed to go along with the mysterious top of the line 2005 Whirlpool washer dryer setup-- if you look at the electrical switches in some of the shots you will note they are the very current Decora paddle type switch that has only been on the market for 5 years or so, certainly not circa 1980. Either the prop department is falling down on the job, we are all too observant, or the bunker's had some major equipment upgrades in the last year or two.

Actually I bought washer and dryer like thoses 3 years ago. So maybe during the last switch over they were brought in. But who knows...

Let me toss out something I noticed to go along with the mysterious top of the line 2005 Whirlpool washer dryer setup-- if you look at the electrical switches in some of the shots you will note they are the very current Decora paddle type switch that has only been on the market for 5 years or so, certainly not circa 1980. Either the prop department is falling down on the job, we are all too observant, or the bunker's had some major equipment upgrades in the last year or two.
Decora style switches and panels have been around well over a decade or more. I used to install them, along with volume controls and other such panels in the EARLY 1990's.

Wouldn't it suck if it turned out WE the viewers were the psychological experiment and they were watching to see what we will write (or input and execute into our keyboards).

vegggas

Wouldn't it suck if it turned out WE the viewers were the psychological experiment and they were watching to see what we will write (or input and execute into our keyboards).

vegggas
You mean you haven't been getting your weekly psychological testing? You have to remember to go to the website and fill in your responses otherwise everything will get screwed up. :D :D

"But didn't Hurley's financial advisor say the box company burned down?"

Could the fire be the incident where Locke loses the use of his legs?
Jumping out a window perhaps?

That pretty well ties together that the box company Locke worked at is the same one Hurley owns.

But didn't Hurley's financial advisor say the box company burned down?

~Dan

Pretty sure the fire was in Canada in some factory, not the box company. His $$ guy listed the box company as one of his assets. I'd have to watch the ep again to be sure.

Why has the Dharma project been abandoned by it's corporate sponsor? Or has it?

I can answer this one and it's "no". Since there was only a finite amount of food there (all stamped with the Dharma logo), plus the now infamous new washer/dryer combo, it's clear that the bunker is resupplied on a regular basis. So, again I ask this pertinent question: why, then, wasn't Desmond relieved in the past 3 years?

One other thing I noticed that hasn't been mentioned.... Hurley's l'il buddy, when they're driving in the truck, calls him "Hurley", not Hugo. I was under the impression that "Hurley" was a name Hugo invented after the plane crash because he didn't want anyone to connect him with the lottery winner (those folks are well publicized and some of the other lostaways may have seen it). Anybody else notice that?

One other thing I noticed that hasn't been mentioned.... Hurley's l'il buddy, when they're driving in the truck, calls him "Hurley", not Hugo. I was under the impression that "Hurley" was a name Hugo invented after the plane crash because he didn't want anyone to connect him with the lottery winner (those folks are well publicized and some of the other lostaways may have seen it). Anybody else notice that?


Hurley is his nickname...I don't think there's any reason to assume he made it up after the crash. If he was worried about people finding out, why did he tell Jack his full name?

I think the only reference to the name "Hurley" was when he wanted to do the roll call with the airplane manifest and he said "My name isn't even Hurley, it's Hugo, Hurley's just a nickname people call me" - or something to that effect. Don't recall any reference to the timeline his nickname was established.

One other thing I noticed that hasn't been mentioned.... Hurley's l'il buddy, when they're driving in the truck, calls him "Hurley", not Hugo. I was under the impression that "Hurley" was a name Hugo invented after the plane crash because he didn't want anyone to connect him with the lottery winner (those folks are well publicized and some of the other lostaways may have seen it). Anybody else notice that?

actually, my wife said the same thing- but since she's usually not to observant on these matters i dismissed it! :o

Damn.... it's only Tuesday!

.... So, again I ask this pertinent question: why, then, wasn't Desmond relieved in the past 3 years?


From what I remember, Desmond was brought into the bunker 3 years ago, and sometime after Kelvin died. There was no further explanation into the timeline. For all we know, Kelvin's body is still warm in the other bunk bed. ;)

Hurley is his nickname...I don't think there's any reason to assume he made it up after the crash. If he was worried about people finding out, why did he tell Jack his full name?

Makes sense if that was his nickname. Now that I ponder it some more, I think I remember the conversation that CP referenced. But, he was "fessing up" to Jack that time he spoke up about his lottery winnings because Jack was pressuring him.

Makes sense if that was his nickname. Now that I ponder it some more, I think I remember the conversation that CP referenced. But, he was "fessing up" to Jack that time he spoke up about his lottery winnings because Jack was pressuring him.


Sorry, have to disagree again. Hurley was explaining to Jack why they needed to do a census (after Claire freaked out claiming someone attacked her). He said they really didn't know anything about one another. For example, his real name wasn't Hurley, it's Hugo Reyes. Or something to that effect.

Yes, and Hurley said something to the effect of: don't ask how I got the nickname :-)

Also, when Hurley was talking to Rose, she was doing laundry. She mentioned that there wasn't anything in the hatch that would help her (or interest her, or whatever). And he said, well maybe there is. I assumed he was going to go down there and show her the washer and dryer. But then he drafted her to help count food. Was I the only one confused by this?

Xesdeeni

Sorry, have to disagree again. Hurley was explaining to Jack why they needed to do a census (after Claire freaked out claiming someone attacked her). He said they really didn't know anything about one another. For example, his real name wasn't Hurley, it's Hugo Reyes. Or something to that effect.

No, I was referring to the more recent scene where Jack and Hurley are walking through the forest by themselves and Jack was questioning him about the numbers. Either the end of last season or the beginning of this one...

Also, when Hurley was talking to Rose, she was doing laundry. She mentioned that there wasn't anything in the hatch that would help her (or interest her, or whatever). And he said, well maybe there is. I assumed he was going to go down there and show her the washer and dryer. But then he drafted her to help count food. Was I the only one confused by this?I noticed that also. I would like to think Rose eventually did her laundry in the machines, but like eating the fish they catch or going to the bathroom, you can assume its happening but they are not going to show it. I mean, how exciting is doing a load of laundry, anyway? However, I did notice taking a shower is a function the writers feel will interest the viewers. ;)

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I mean, how exciting is doing a load of laundry, anyway? However, I did notice taking a shower is a function the writers feel will interest the viewers. ;)

A shower scene !! Yes, especially if it involves Kate, or Anna or better yet, BOTH !!

:D :D :D

at the same time? :D

I noticed that also. I would like to think Rose eventually did her laundry in the machines, but like eating the fish they catch or going to the bathroom, you can assume its happening but they are not going to show it. I mean, how exciting is doing a load of laundry, anyway? However, I did notice taking a shower is a function the writers feel will interest the viewers. ;)

unless the writers want to appeal to the older crowd and show Rose enjoying the "spin cycle" ;)

Haven't been able to read any of the posts over the past week or two and I don't have time to look......so sorry if this has been mentioned or posted already.

Korean symbol that looks like the Dharma logo

Haven't been able to read any of the posts over the past week or two and I don't have time to look......so sorry if this has been mentioned or posted already.

Korean symbol that looks like the Dharma logo

Yea it's been mentioned.

A shower scene !! Yes, especially if it involves Kate, or Anna or better yet, BOTH !!

:D :D :D

Personally I think Claire is a close second to Kate, not Anna, or even Shannon. Not that I would kick either of them out of bed though. :D

Personally I think Claire is a close second to Kate, not Anna, or even Shannon. Not that I would kick either of them out of bed though. :D

Claire was majorly handicapped with that big tummy of hers and that annoying way of screaming "they took my bybee" !! :D

Since we already have a rough order of magnitude timeline from the food and how it was preserved, maybe those appliances were new not so much for the timeline, but so no forum-er would start complaining about the duty cycle of the washer/dryer with 43 folks... :P

Did they show someone with a bunch of disposable razors?

v/r,
C-F

I can answer this one and it's "no". Since there was only a finite amount of food there (all stamped with the Dharma logo), plus the now infamous new washer/dryer combo, it's clear that the bunker is resupplied on a regular basis. So, again I ask this pertinent question: why, then, wasn't Desmond relieved in the past 3 years?...I'm still not convinced that the amount of food in that storage room proves that the bunker is resupplied on a regular basis. We don't know for sure that there's not another huge stash of it somewhere (in the bunker or somewhere else on the island or in another bunker) or that there weren't more rooms full of food at one time and Desmond was just near the tail end of it. You could be right, but I also think there's a distinct possibility that there aren't regular supply runs to the island, whether there were in the past or not.

There are still many plausible explanations to what we've seen so far.

Anyone notice in the previews at the end of last week's episode that Mike was shown 2 different times with 2 different shirts? The first time he was running through the jungle with a long-sleeved blue button-down shirt, then later he was wearing an orange T-shirt, which is the same shirt he was wearing all throughout the last episode. Does he manage to change clothes, or perhaps its Mike's turn to have a dream?

Anyway, according to the preview, it looks like we will get to see more of the island as the back plane folks go searching for Mike and/or the mid-section folk.

Hurley already hated those numbers, or he knew already that they had caused major problems for his fellow psych patient friend. There's no way he played them more than once, because he was afraid of what would happen if he ever used them. Finally he broke down and played the lottery, and he won, hence his seeming lack of enthusiasm or happiness when he realized he'd won. He almost looked as if he'd just tear up the ticket and never cash in.

Also, if you won the lottery, where would you go first? Would you research online where the lottery commission is, or where you have to go? Or would you simply just go back to the place you bought the ticket, and ask what you have to do? His friend obviously didnt know why Hurley wanted to go to that convenience store, hence the comment he made about how they "jack up prices" or something like that.

And I think his friend looked betrayed because Hurley kept this a secret from him, Hurley indirectly caused him to quit his job, and now he's without a job and Hurley's just won the lottery. I'd be a little pissed too, if my friend let me quit my job like that and didnt tell me that he had something big to take care of him the rest of his life.

I have a feeling something bad happens to his friend and the girl from the music store, and we'll find out in a future backstory.

by the way, I loved Hurley's mom's comments about him... "Falling down does not count as exercise"... "Maybe that's Jesus calling now"

Hurley already hated those numbers, or he knew already that they had caused major problems for his fellow psych patient friend. There's no way he played them more than once, because he was afraid of what would happen if he ever used them. Finally he broke down and played the lottery, and he won, hence his seeming lack of enthusiasm or happiness when he realized he'd won. He almost looked as if he'd just tear up the ticket and never cash in.

Also, if you won the lottery, where would you go first? Would you research online where the lottery commission is, or where you have to go? Or would you simply just go back to the place you bought the ticket, and ask what you have to do? His friend obviously didnt know why Hurley wanted to go to that convenience store, hence the comment he made about how they "jack up prices" or something like that.

And I think his friend looked betrayed because Hurley kept this a secret from him, Hurley indirectly caused him to quit his job, and now he's without a job and Hurley's just won the lottery. I'd be a little pissed too, if my friend let me quit my job like that and didnt tell me that he had something big to take care of him the rest of his life.

I have a feeling something bad happens to his friend and the girl from the music store, and we'll find out in a future backstory.

by the way, I loved Hurley's mom's comments about him... "Falling down does not count as exercise"... "Maybe that's Jesus calling now"

I think it is evident that Hurley won the lottery on the only one time that he played the #'s

A shower scene !! Yes, especially if it involves Kate, or Anna or better yet, BOTH !!

:D :D :D

Ummm...we had that already... :rolleyes:

~Dan

Hurley already hated those numbers, or he knew already that they had caused major problems for his fellow psych patient friend. There's no way he played them more than once, because he was afraid of what would happen if he ever used them. Finally he broke down and played the lottery, and he won, hence his seeming lack of enthusiasm or happiness when he realized he'd won. He almost looked as if he'd just tear up the ticket and never cash in.

Also, if you won the lottery, where would you go first? Would you research online where the lottery commission is, or where you have to go? Or would you simply just go back to the place you bought the ticket, and ask what you have to do? His friend obviously didnt know why Hurley wanted to go to that convenience store, hence the comment he made about how they "jack up prices" or something like that.




I don't think it's safe to assume Hurley 'hated' the numbers. He knew nothing about them other than the fact his fellow patient kept repeating them. He didn't know about the 'curse' on the numbers at the time.

I would never take a huge jackpot ticket to where I bought it...just my luck to get the ticket 'hijacked' when the other losers at the store hear the conversation. :-)

No, I'd get a lawyer from a reputable firm, then make a trip to the state capital and have it verified there.

Sorry, I disagree. Possible, but it would require an incredulously photographic memory on the part of the person selling him the tickets, and you would have to assume that Hurley bought from the same salesperson every time, bought only one ticket, and gave the numbers to the salesperson verbally. A stretch, me thinks.

I sold lottery tickets for years to thousands of people who played the same numbers all the time, and I couldn't tell you what their numbers were.

I go to the same store every week to get my lotto ticket. The clerk not only knows what I want whenever I walk in, but knows what numbers I want. It probably helps that I'm friendly to him, but he also often remembers what brands of cigarettes other customers buy and I've even heard him ask about other customer's families, noting a new car, or asking how their new job is. Some people actually pay attentention to their customers. It's called doing the best job you can in whatever form of employment you are in. Not to mention, customers that you know well are less likely to attempt to rob you.

Perhaps Hurley never played the lottery before at that store. Instead he comes in every few days and nukes a burrito and fills up a Big Gulp - the same thing, every few days. The guy knows him from being a regular, but maybe not his name. Now, one day he comes in and buys a lotto ticket and requests those numbers just out of the blue. The guy takes note because it throws off the regular pattern. That peaks the guys interest and since we know Hurley wouldn't have told the guy why he chose those numbers, he'd be very curious when they won.

But didn't Hurley's financial advisor say the box company burned down?

~Dan

No, that was a sneaker factory in Canada.

His friend obviously didnt know why Hurley wanted to go to that convenience store, hence the comment he made about how they "jack up prices" or something like that.

Hurley was the one who made the "They jack up the prices here" comment, not his friend. His friend needed gas, and when Hurley realized why the TV cameras were at the store he just wanted to drive away. He knew his life was about to change and wasn't ready for it yet.

by the way, I loved Hurley's mom's comments about him... "Falling down does not count as exercise"... "Maybe that's Jesus calling now"
That was hilarious.. :D

Anyway, according to the preview, it looks like we will get to see more of the island as the back plane folks go searching for Mike and/or the mid-section folk.Speaking of "more of the island", have we got enough information to start mapping it out?

I'm figuring that the original crash beach was on the west side of the island and there are steep peaks a mile or so inland and southeast from the crash beach.

The bunker appears to be northeast of the crash beach, perhaps less than a mile away.

The raft seemed to be headed northwest of the crash beach when they first departed, but winds/current may have eventually taken them around to the north/northeast side of the island to where Mike and Sawyer drifted back to land.

Camera angles can play tricks - especially without sunlight - but it seems that there have been enough sunlit scenes to establish some ideas.

Anybody else got "maps" in their imagination?

Hurley was the one who made the "They jack up the prices here" comment, not his friend. His friend needed gas, and when Hurley realized why the TV cameras were at the store he just wanted to drive away. He knew his life was about to change and wasn't ready for it yet.I got the impression Hurley's friend was stopping for food, or maybe he was attracted by the cameras. Usually when one needs gas they pull up to the pump. ;)

I re-watched this epsode over lunch today. I'll repeat what I wrote last week, since some seem to have missed it and this is still being discussed: No way the store clerk could have actually seen Hurley's darkened face in a van across the parking lot at night with a bright camera light shining on him. The camera light would have blinded him. A similar effect occurs when on stage in a darkened auditorium and lights are shining on you. But the camera light blinds one worse, because it is more intense only being about 5 feet away. That makes all the other guesses as to how and why that clerk could have recognized Hurley a non-issue. As mentioned by another forum member, that scene was included for dramatic effect to set up how Hurley's friend felt betrayed, since Hurley never told him about the winning ticket.

That's such a minor thing in the overall story. After all, if I can believe a plane broke up in 3 pieces at 30,000 feet and dozens of people survived the crash, then I surely can "believe" the clerk recognized Hurley in that situation.

see if you can find a map of the island they film on wherever they do and fill in from there

I No way the store clerk could have actually seen Hurley's darkened face in a van across the parking lot at night with a bright camera light shining on him. The clerk would not have been able to recognize his own mother in the van, for the lights would have blinded him. That makes all the other guesses as to how and why that clerk could have recognized Hurley a non-issue.

That's such a minor thing in the overall story. After all, if I can believe a plane broke up in 3 pieces at 30,000 feet and dozens of people survived the crash, then I surely can "believe" the clerk recognized Hurley in that situation.




-The Kwik-E-Mart clerk reconizing Hurley is no big deal. It's a TV show - especialy Lost - little things like that happen.

jeah

see if you can find a map of the island they film on wherever they do and fill in from there

They actually film the beach scenes on the north side of Oahu (on the western edge of it), the beach they film on faces due north. But remembering maps from earlier episodes they are on the south side of their island. The valley scenes from earlier episodes were filmed on Kualoa ranch, which is pretty far away on the eastern side - so a map of the island they film on is worthless.

I'm not so interested in the island they film on, I'm picturing the fictitious island of LOST. Kinda like the MYST island, only bigger with more unknowns.

Speaking of "more of the island", have we got enough information to start mapping it out?
Here's the basic layout of the island... :D

~Dan

http://ferrarishields.com/oahu.jpg

Here's the basic layout of the island... :D

~Dan



See, I TOLD you all they needed to do was explore a little more! :-)

Just their luck. They ended up on the side of the island that's completely uninhabited! :)

I got the impression Hurley's friend was stopping for food, or maybe he was attracted by the cameras. Usually when one needs gas they pull up to the pump. ;)

I re-watched this epsode over lunch today. I'll repeat what I wrote last week, since some seem to have missed it and this is still being discussed: No way the store clerk could have actually seen Hurley's darkened face in a van across the parking lot at night with a bright camera light shining on him. The camera light would have blinded him. A similar effect occurs when on stage in a darkened auditorium and lights are shining on you. But the camera light blinds one worse, because it is more intense only being about 5 feet away. That makes all the other guesses as to how and why that clerk could have recognized Hurley a non-issue. As mentioned by another forum member, that scene was included for dramatic effect to set up how Hurley's friend felt betrayed, since Hurley never told him about the winning ticket.

That's such a minor thing in the overall story. After all, if I can believe a plane broke up in 3 pieces at 30,000 feet and dozens of people survived the crash, then I surely can "believe" the clerk recognized Hurley in that situation.

You are making it way too complex. It should be obvious that Hurley and his geeky friend come into the store all the time together so it takes no stretch of the imagination to believe that:
A) Clerk sees skinny geek friend
B) Clerk sees Van with an extra large shadow in said van
C) Clerk need not be Einstein to deduce Hurley is in the van

Next mystery please! :)

How about this... it's not that big a deal, they made a mistake, and let it drop ;). Honestly, I realize we don't have a lot to talk about but this silly argument over the clerk seeing or not seeing Hurley is fairly lame ;)

How about this... it's not that big a deal, they made a mistake, and let it drop ;). Honestly, I realize we don't have a lot to talk about but this silly argument over the clerk seeing or not seeing Hurley is fairly lame ;)

Somebody said last week that this thread has insightful discussion until about the Friday after the show. It then becomes a huge waste of time until the next episode airs. I hadn't really thought of it in the past, but this week it certainly holds true.

But didn't Hurley's financial advisor say the box company burned down?
I'm pretty sure it was a shoe factory in Asia that burned down.

And I wouldn't be surprised if that's the same factory that Jin was dealing with in his flashbacks.

Somebody said last week that this thread has insightful discussion until about the Friday after the show. It then becomes a huge waste of time until the next episode airs. I hadn't really thought of it in the past, but this week it certainly holds true.


At lest the mystery of this thread has been revealed!

At lest the mystery of this thread has been revealed!

Yeah and it only to 9989 posts!

According to MSNBC.com,

"Evangeline Lilly and Dominic Monaghan, who are a couple in real life, may be heading down the aisle soon. The couple was spotted checking out engagement rings at posh jewelry on Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills, according to In Touch Weekly. The mag reports that the couple was looking at rocks “in the $50,000” range."

I wonder how they're going to incorporate that rock into the show? :D

Interesting article on USAToday about Maggie Grace. It's worth checking out just for the pic of the 3 lovely Lost ladies together.
They also quote executive producer Carlton Cuse, who reveals a little about the future of Maggie's character, and a little about the depth of the Survivors pre-crash connections - the "six degrees of separation" we've been talking about.
I speak in general terms for those extremely spoiler-sensitive, but there is very little specific info revealed in the article, only generalities.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-10-18-maggie-grace-main_x.htm

I ran across 3 preview clips from tonights episode on an AOL site. Doesn't reveal anything much as far as being a spoiler, but it sure does whet your appetite. Juicy!

Click me to see yummy yummy previews (http://television.aol.com/feature/lost_tv)

Wow, looks like a great episode tonight. T-minus 7 hours and counting ...

Interesting article on USAToday
I read the article. It mentions after tonight, we get 2 weeks of reruns -- no new episode until Nov. 9. What up w/that? Dang! :mad:

I read the article. It mentions after tonight, we get 2 weeks of reruns -- no new episode until Nov. 9. What up w/that? Dang! :mad:They are just getting started with the reruns. Last year over a period of 36 Wednesdays from September 22 to May 25 there were 5 breaks ranging from 1 to 3 Wednesdays. There were 24 episodes aired and 12 Wednesdays with either a rerun or other programming. Who knows, we may only get 22 episodes this year. I am surprised they skip any Wednesday during a sweeps month (except maybe Thanksgiving eve).

They are just getting started with the reruns. Last year over a period of 36 Wednesdays from September 22 to May 25 there were 5 breaks ranging from 1 to 3 Wednesdays. There were 24 episodes aired and 12 Wednesdays with either a rerun or other programming. Who knows, we may only get 22 episodes this year. I am surprised they skip any Wednesday during a sweeps month (except maybe Thanksgiving eve).

It's a fractal! The skips in the whole season's schedule mirror the commercial breaks in each individual episode. Now, if we could only get our DVR's to "cure" that problem too..... :p

It's a fractal! The skips in the whole season's schedule mirror the commercial breaks in each individual episode. Now, if we could only get our DVR's to "cure" that problem too..... :p

Lost is on tonight - Powerball is also tonight ($340 MILLION)!
I wonder how many people will play 4 18 15 16 23 42?

Do we know which character's past is highlighted tonight?

Spoiler thread goes out a few episodes.

Do we know which character's past is highlighted tonight?

Jin/Sun

Lost is on tonight - Powerball is also tonight ($340 MILLION)!
I wonder how many people will play 4 18 15 16 23 42?
68 million. And they'll all win $5.

(Joke stolen from the end of Daniel's "Numbers" recap at Television Without Pity (http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/story.cgi?show=136&story=7620&limit=30&sort=) )

68 million. And they'll all win $5.



Not to mention beginning horrible streaks of bad luck, friends & relatives dying around them, etc.

People would have to be pretty dumb to play those numbers (from an odds standpoint)

No, you didn't miss it.

In the first Hurley backstory (last year), Hurley explained that he met this guy in a psych ward who spent all his time reciting the numbers. This fellow had been in the military (who's, I don't remember) stationed on some remote listening post and who heard the numbers via radio.

Hurley's reason for going to Australia was looking up a friend of that fellow...

(Or something along those lines...)

~Dan

Does anyone think that the "Remote Listening Post" the crazy guy was on could be the Lost Island??

I think most of us do.

Spoiler thread goes out a few episodes.My wife says I must be blind and I'm starting to believe it. :D I'm not seeing the spoiler thread. Is it not updated (so it stays near the top of the forum) when posts are moved to it?