LOST - SPOILERS Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=517981&highlight=spoilers)

Jin/Sun


That was the 10,000th post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People would have to be pretty dumb to play those numbers (from an odds standpoint)Yeah, but it would be pretty freaky if those numbers somehow actually came up the winners wouldn't it?


ron

Yes, and then it wouldn't be dumb - in hindsight.

People would have to be pretty dumb to play those numbers (from an odds standpoint)
From an odds standpoint there is no difference between those numbers and any other numbers. Those numbers are just as likely to come up as any set.

From a payout standpoint it may make a little less sense. Oe course the expected value is likely nearly the same as any other. The conditional probability of winning the jackpot (shared or not) given that you play those numbers is astronomically small regardless.

Is everyone else getting LOST in HD tonight? Looks like our station (WVEC) screwed up since it's in SD tonight.... :mad:

I think you'd read about it if Everyone had it in SD.

But the stations here thing it's some how important and informative to breakdown the picture twice every hour to show us where wilma is, like it's gonna do anything for us now...

wow so we get a crappy epsiode tonight and then have to wait 3 weeks for "the best one", pshh....

Kate loves Sawyer! :D

Worst episode yet.

Yeah, pretty sucky.

I hate to say it but Im starting to lose interest in this show.

Why, because of one slow episode?

From an odds standpoint there is no difference between those numbers and any other numbers. Those numbers are just as likely to come up as any set.

From a payout standpoint it may make a little less sense. Oe course the expected value is likely nearly the same as any other. The conditional probability of winning the jackpot (shared or not) given that you play those numbers is astronomically small regardless.

The odds and payout are both critical when figuring the ROI. Any set of popular numbers played can only serve to reduce the potential winnings per dollar played. The odds of winning are 140 million to 1 - if I'm playing a buck, I'll play it on a number that if I win will pay 75-350 million (assuming 1 to 5 winners) - not a set of numbers that will likely yield only 700k (assuming 500 winners).

Three Weeks!!??!! Noooooo!!!!

I didn't find the episode to be slow; it peaked my interest for next episode big-time. How one could lose interest in this now is beyond me.

Missed the bunker scenes this week, though.

I don't get why a Top 5 show needs to overhype the next episode. Just tell us it's one of those shows you'll be talking about. Don't tell us someone will be lost forever. Now we'll watch just waiting for the axe to fall on someone instead of letting it completely catch us off guard (like Arzt).

It's LOST you idiots, we'll be back. :rolleyes:

anybody else have no close caption?? what did that guy say his name was, mr. eckel?????

Mr. Echo (phonetically - could very well be Ecko, or Ekko, etc.)

I sure hope the step it up when they return. Because these last couple episodes have been way to much mushy story telling feelings and flashbacks for my tastes :(

I sure hope the step it up when they return. Because these last couple episodes have been way to much mushy story telling feelings and flashbacks for my tastes :(

I agree, the past couple of weeks have been a little slow. Hopefully they are setting us up for something big...and I mean other than one person dying since that is a given already.

Edit: I see Jin does speak english, Hurley knew it all along :)

That was the 10,000th post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it was my 1,000th post as well. How freaky is that? :eek:

The odds and payout are both critical when figuring the ROI. Any set of popular numbers played can only serve to reduce the potential winnings per dollar played. The odds of winning are 140 million to 1 - if I'm playing a buck, I'll play it on a number that if I win will pay 75-350 million (assuming 1 to 5 winners) - not a set of numbers that will likely yield only 700k (assuming 500 winners).
Again, playing those numbers is not "dumb" from a ROI standpoint either. Your one dollar becomes worth many times that amount -- if you win. Once you've won, it's a good ROI regardless of whether you played the numbers or not.

The point is that Powerball numbers are chosen randomly. Whether you play those numbers, play a computer generated set of numbers, or play the last set of winning numbers, your odds of winning are exactly the same.

I haven't bother calculating the actual numbers, but the difference in expected value from a single ticket whether it's a shared jackpot or a lone jackpot probably isn't more than $0.50.

And just to be a little bit on topic. I'll throw out that numbers don't mean anything by themselves. They aren't good or evil. It's how they're used that makes all the difference.

And though I've gotten almost every episode locally in HD, WSYX has lost its closed captioning for HD programming. An e-mail got no response of course.

"The Good Korea or the Bad Korea?" Great line...lol.

I thought this was one was a bit slow.

Now we'll watch just waiting for the axe to fall on someone instead of letting it completely catch us off guard (like Arzt).
While it was entirely possible for someone to go up in smoke in that situation (it still caught me off guard), I don't think anyone really expected a shower of body parts either. But yes, they need to just let things fall without a bunch of preview warnings.

...and I mean other than one person dying since that is a given already.

absolutely ... i've never known the next ep's previews to be misleading. :rolleyes:

yet we keep falling for it.

Remember, they do like to mislead in the previews. And I think it said "one of the survivors" -- they did just introduce 5 more survivors, three of which aren't big name actors. And since they showed Sawyer in pain right when they were talking about it, that almost guarantees it won't be him.

And because I'm a geek, I did the numbers for Powerball. The current cash value for the jackpot is $164.4M. Assuming a 38% tax rate (and being generous by assuming no state taxes), the expected value for a $1 lottery ticket is a very, very respectable $1.39 (rounded up). Assuming 1,000 people share the jackpot, the expected value drops to $0.69. It looks like I underestimated how large the jackpot is given the odds of winning. In my defense, if it's a shared jackpot between just two people, the expected value is over a dollar.

If you're looking for an excuse to buy Powerball tickets, once the cash value for the jackpot exceeds roughly $74 million, your expected value goes over a dollar. From a statistics standpoint, it's only after that point that you should purchase tickets.

none of the numbers were picked in the powerball

the numbers tonight were
7 21 43 44 49 29

I give up...play the numbers if you want to. (You and 10,000 other LOST fans) ;)

Tonight was a little slow but I liked it anyway. I thought Locke's line "I'm not lost anymore because I stopped searching" or however he put it was obviously the central theme and could be a major foreshadow.

Couple of observations and/or questions to throw out for whatever it's worth:

When Boone died, wasn't he in the preview the week before looking like he was going to die???


Also, did anyone count how many "others" there were. I didn't, but it looked like around 8.

It almost seems like there are too many characters now, Kate had a very minor role as well as Hurley and Jack, while Shannon and Charlie were nowhere to be found. It's a shame because I like them and really don't care about the new ones, except "Echo".


My money is on the new blonde dying.


Also- was that a boar that knocked Jin on his arse?


It was hard to tell but the "others" legs looked like they were young people.

Not to mention beginning horrible streaks of bad luck, friends & relatives dying around them, etc.

hurley's not the only guy w/ bad luck after winning the jackpot:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36338-2005Jan25.html

I see Jin does speak english, Hurley knew it all along :)Other than a few words in the jungle, which I expect he's picked up in the 40-some days they've been there, I didn't hear much in English. What did I miss?

Other than a few words in the jungle, which I expect he's picked up in the 40-some days they've been there, I didn't hear much in English. What did I miss?


Not much.

Tonight's episode was heavy on the back story, little on action.

It was a soap opera back story.

why the 3 week break?

Also, did anyone count how many "others" there were. I didn't, but it looked like around 8.
I count 13, but with the camera angle change it's hard to tell if I'm double-counting.

Is that Walt's teddy bear?


My money is on the new blonde dying.
My bet is Cindy, the flight attendant (the other girl with the group from the back of the plane). They wouldn't kill off Bernard; Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Watros are pretty high-level cast additions, and Mr. Echo is just too cool a character...that leaves Cindy as the red shirt du jour...

~Dan

why the 3 week break?
It's really only two Wednesdays off.

Why? World Series stealing viewers next week, and gearing up for the November sweeps after that...

Plus, it stretches out the episodes on hand when production shuts down for the upcoming holidays (there's only 66 shopping days left 'till Christmas!)

~Dan

"Jumped the shark."

"Jumped the shark."
Have fun watching Martha Stewart...

~Dan

"They" don't leave footprints.....

The survivors have been on that island for a while now, yet their clothes always look too clean under the circumstances (Sun's spotless white jeans, for example).

And how does Jack keep his hair trimmed so short and neat?

Long thread...I know...it's probably been covered....

At least we have some people back on the move and not just sitting around. The flashback stuff told us nothing we did not already understand.

To make the show better my ideas are:
Sawyer must die and then please kill the Lebowski wannabe or at least get it to stop calling everyone "dude."

And find a reason to get Shannon on screen and into, or out of, bathing suits!

"They" don't leave footprints.....

The survivors have been on that island for a while now, yet their clothes always look too clean under the circumstances (Sun's spotless white jeans, for example).

And how does Jack keep his hair trimmed so short and neat?

Long thread...I know...it's probably been covered....


There is a lady named Rose who does laundry and i am sure some bloke on the plane was packing shaving gear. Oh, and they found this bunker...

"Jumped the shark"

Have fun watching Martha Stewart...

~Dan
Hmmm, the boring love story between an art history student and a hotel doorman, in korean with subtitles; or Martha Stewart .......tough choice.

ps. Who wishes that Michael got dragged away by the others and Walt was still in the story?

pps. Does Michael get the exact same lines in every episode? "You don't understand, I got to find my son." "Walt!!" "My son!" "They took him from me." Repeat.

ppps. Jumped.

Well, it was inevitable: the onslaught of "it was boring", "too slow", and "jumped the shark" posts have begun. Personally, I'm glad the producers aren't accelerating the pace to appease the ADD, MTV, must-have-constant-action masses. I appreciate the backstories. The characters are more fully realized than most shows could only dream of. Yet, some still aren't satisfied. Perhaps I could suggest NASCAR instead. They have lots of crashes and stuff blows up. Any of the various CSI's are also nice. They solve everything in an hour. Nothing to think about or strain your brain over. Nice and tidy and requiring nothing but blank stares from the viewer. Everything in LOST doesn't have to "reveal" something about the plot line. Sometimes helping further develop the characters is more important. I like what we learned about Jin and Sun tonight. Gives both characters, and their relationship, an added depth. Not that I'd expect the ADD masses to understand depth...

Now, for the rest of us:

* Was that Walt's teddy bear?
* Was Walt in the preview really Walt, or was it an apparition (like when he appeared to say "don't push the button, the button is bad"?
* Locke's statement about not being lost anymore was great. It's already happened again to Sun when she found her ring once she stopped looking...what's next?

Overall, nice episode. Now, we interrupt your regularly scheduled programming for the World Series. See you in 3 weeks...

Hmmm, the boring love story between an art history student and a hotel doorman, in korean with subtitles; or Martha Stewart .......tough choice.

ppps. Jumped.

Yeah, you're right. By now we should have already learned who the Others are and where they came from. Walt's fate should already be decided, and we should have found all the other stations. The reason for the island should be crystal clear by now. The rest of the season should just be awesome battles between the two sides: the survivors and the others. Like "Survivor", but the losing team has to kill someone each week, instead of voting them off. That would be sweet. Also, they should kill Sawyer, and bring in Van Damme as a new character. Kick ass! Wooooo! All this "story" crap is boring...

</sarcasm>

I count 13, but with the camera angle change it's hard to tell if I'm double-counting.
I counted 12, but that was with only one viewing.

Is that Walt's teddy bear?
~Dan
Yes, it's the one Michael gave him when he was leaving with his mother for Europe.

I thought it was a good episode, not to mention we actually had some daylight outdoor scenes and the PQ was superb. A nice change from the dark underground bunker.

I'm wondering where the tail group came up with the term "the others"...it would seem to indicate they have had some contact with Rousseau.

What did Jin say to michael at the water fall? The water was too loud for me to hear.

He said "you will find Walt", or something close to that..

ive officially given up on watching this show ...I will dl the rest after the seasons over....3 weeks off, filler after filler , and commercials make this virtually unwatchable like this..

I appreciate the backstories.

Oh, please!!! The backstories are very melodramatic and stupid. Last night's episode was a super cheesy soap opera in Korean.

R

Now, for the rest of us:

* Was that Walt's teddy bear?
...

I believe that Walt's bear was a Polar Bear.

Someone on here last week said the teddy bear was the same teddy bear that Desmond stuffed into his back pack when he left the bunker. I don't know for sure. I deleted the ep. before it was mentioned so I couldn't go back & check it.

I found this on ABC's recap for the show though. "Eko and Jin hide behind some bushes as the Others march by silently in a line - the last a child, dragging a teddy bear."

Hopefully they are setting us up for something big...and I mean other than one person dying since that is a given already.

They didn't say anyone was going to die, they said someone would be lost forever. Bet they're playing with words.

ps. Who wishes that Michael got dragged away by the others and Walt was still in the story?pps. Does Michael get the exact same lines in every episode? "You don't understand, I got to find my son." "Walt!!" "My son!" "They took him from me." Repeat.

Oh, no kidding. Enough already. I was hoping one of The Others, Jin, Mr. Echo - anybody - would whack Michael last night. He's become the Jar Jar Binks of Lost. So annoying. Hopefully he gets lost after the three week hiatus.

I think claiming the show jumped the shark is a little extreme, but in a word, last night's episode sucked. I found myself reading during it and having to rewind the Tivo to catch what I missed then realizing I didn't miss anything important.

pps. Does Michael get the exact same lines in every episode? "You don't understand, I got to find my son." "Walt!!" "My son!" "They took him from me." Repeat.



Do not fear it looks like Michael is getting over that whole "missing son" problem he has and moving on with a new storyline involving a lip-lock with one of the "new" castaways next ep.

Can you believe the POWERBALL people acually said the most played number in last nights jackpot really was 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42. :)

What TV does to people :p

ive officially given up on watching this show ...I will dl the rest after the seasons over....3 weeks off, filler after filler , and commercials make this virtually unwatchable like this..Agreed. I can't believe they devoted a whole episode to Sun losing her wedding ring! They have always used cheap tricks like flashing back to fill up an hour. We'll know the season two writers are Lost when they finally resort to amnesia, long lost illegitmate siblings and other soap opera gadgets. It happened on Alias and 24....it will happen here.

And how does Jack keep his hair trimmed so short and neat?

I ask that question every time Jack is in the show. It's very hard to cut hair that short, evenly, without a proper set of clippers. I guess now they at least have electricity, so concievably someone could have brought along a beard trimmer or something similar that would do the job, but I know if I let my hair grow for 40 some odd days without a trim, it shows.

I've been keeping up with this thread since the beginning though I tend to skim a bit any time more than a few days after a new show. But, since the beginning there have been ongoing complaints about the slow pace and the time dedicated to all the back stories.

So I'll say it again. I like it that way. Whatever the reason, it seems to be a winning combination.

- Tom

I also like the back stories and character development. The writers have stated several times in interviews that they view the back stories as the main part of Lost and the action and mystery are the filler. So those of you who were bored with this episode might as well cut your losses and stop watching no because you are only going to get more frustrated.

Please don't change a thing. It works just fine.

If I want wall to wall action, I bring out a Jerry Springer Show video tape.

I miss the "security system" and the mystery surrounding it for the viewers. Frankly, I miss that aspect of the show this season.

I found this on ABC's recap for the show though. "Eko and Jin hide behind some bushes as the Others march by silently in a line - the last a child, dragging a teddy bear."

I don't think it was the Others from the boat. I have a feeling that its people from the rear of the plane that have gotten sick. They were dirty and their clothes were all torn. The Others attacked the raft from a boat, so it appears that they are more organized, not running around in the wild.

hurley's not the only guy w/ bad luck after winning the jackpot:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36338-2005Jan25.html
He was an idiot Before he won the money. We had to mark some of our gas lines for his sewer contracting down in southern WV. No matter how well we marked them, his company managed to hit the gas lines. I guess it was cheaper to fix them than go around them. :eek:

And the Post article doesn't come close to telling all the rumors that swirl around this guy on a weekly basis.

Can you believe the POWERBALL people acually said the most played number in last nights jackpot really was 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42. :)

What TV does to people :p
Can you imagine if it actually hit? :) Each winning ticket would get about $1000. :eek:

I'm wondering where the tail group came up with the term "the others"...it would seem to indicate they have had some contact with Rousseau.

I've never heard the tailers say "the others" - they always said "them" or "they". Although Echo may start calling them the "others" now that Jin has said it numerous times.

If nobody's mentioned it, Jin's e-mail address from his resume is jinsoo74@yahoo.com. But it's been coming back.

I like the slow development of the primary storyline. If they can keep coming up with side (or background) stories that are interesting and keep me looking forward to the next week, that's all I care about.

I posted that on 10/14/04 - and I still believe that. I hope they don't change the pace that was established early on.

However, I will say that the backstories are becoming less interesting and less relevant to the real time story. Unless the hotelier's American fiancee ends up as a survivor, I'm not sure how that Jin/Sun flashback really ties into anything. It certainly offered up nothing we needed to know - and unlike most others - offered no insight to real time happenings.

Every series has some weeks where they "coast" (even 24) - this was one of them. But the answer isn't a 2 episode blitzkrieg of action and answers (like the beginning of the season) - the answer is more intricate side stories and backstories coupled with a slow deliberate pace of revelations of the overall story arc.

Kate loves Sawyer!

Yeah, that was a bit of a revelation. She seemed genuinely hurt. Guess Jack is SOL. I can see a love quadrangle coming as Sawyer goes for Ana, Ana for Jack, Jack for himself, er Kate, and Kate for Sawyer.

anyone else think the new girl - michelle rodriquez- is horrible? in my opinion she's one of the weakest actors on the set.

Well the blonde (sorry forgot her name) said their group has fear and trust issues. Between that and what we saw of the 'others' as they walked past I have to imagine that these 'others' are Tail survivors who became 'sick'. Wearing modern clothes but no shoes, the kid trailing with his(?) teddy bear, etc.

The 'others' who took Walt are likely a different group, as they are fully clothed and articulate. My guess is they are surviving scientists of the Dharma initiative. Who knows?

(EDIT: Sorry Rob13, hadn't read your post, you beat me to that punch)

Guess we'll see.

I guess I'm in the minority, I enjoyed this episode. I loved how Jin quit his job. I also got a kick out of the 'orenji' girl who caused him to run into Sun.

Strange how Jin was a really decent guy before he met the girl of his dreams, and then marrying her turned him into an a-hole. It looks like he's found himself again and is back to being a good man. Going into the jungle after Michael took balls of steel.

I thought it was ok, but I admit the flashbacks that don't add to the overall plot are a bit much. I'm liking Jin a lot more though. Who else thought the Korean guy was going to tell Sun he was gay? I thought for sure that's where he was heading ;). If the last one in the line of Others was a child, would he be the Frenchwoman's? I thought he would be a lot older than that by now. I kind of agree with the theory that these "Others" aren't the same, given their level of dirtiness and lack of clothing. My guess is these are either other survivors or orginal experiment people who went bad in whatever the "incident" was.

Yeah, that was a bit of a revelation. She seemed genuinely hurt. Guess Jack is SOL. I can see a love quadrangle coming as Sawyer goes for Ana, Ana for Jack, Jack for himself, er Kate, and Kate for Sawyer.

Chicks dig the bad boys! Just ask George Costanza.

Yeah, that was a bit of a revelation. She seemed genuinely hurt. Guess Jack is SOL. I can see a love quadrangle coming as Sawyer goes for Ana, Ana for Jack, Jack for himself, er Kate, and Kate for Sawyer.

Exactly - big catfight coming between Kate and Ana --- ALRIGHT!!!

"Jumped the shark."

That phrase has 'jumped the shark' more than the show has. :-) It gets used WAY too much.

anyone else think the new girl - michelle rodriquez- is horrible?

Yes.

"The Good Korea or the Bad Korea?" Great line...lol.

I thought this was one was a bit slow.

The whole line was better, "So Seoul, is that in the good Korea or the bad Korea?"

I also loved Sawyer's line to Anna Lucia, "You married?...Too bad, you would have been good at it."

Yes.


I think the jury is still out on her as far as I'm concerned. Her character annoys the hell out of me, but it seems as though she has good reason for being so paranoid and unpleasant.

Loved how Jin showed them up while fishing. She actually shut up :-)

That phrase has 'jumped the shark' more than the show has. :-) It gets used WAY too much.

True, but what would you replace it with?

True, but what would you replace it with?

"Opened the Hatch" ? ;)

True, but what would you replace it with?

The original use of the phrase still works:

A show gets desperate for ratings and makes drastic changes to try and woo back viewers ala Fonzie jumping the shark on water skis (even typing that makes me smile).

But now it gets used every time someone gets displeased with a show.

LOST is not 'jumping the shark'. They are at the height of their popularity, not an aging show desperate to remain relevant. They are doing what they have done from the start, writing characters we care about and revealing the 'big picture' slowly.

An earlier poster was right...when the Harlem Globetrotters crash on teh island we can start worrying about shark jumping :-).

I guess I'm in the minority, I enjoyed this episode. I loved how Jin quit his job. I also got a kick out of the 'orenji' girl who caused him to run into Sun.

Strange how Jin was a really decent guy before he met the girl of his dreams, and then marrying her turned him into an a-hole. It looks like he's found himself again and is back to being a good man. Going into the jungle after Michael took balls of steel.

I enjoyed it also. I think the guy who plays Jin is a great actor. I thought the whole back story tied into Locke's statement about not looking anymore. Both Jin and Sun were looking for something in the back story and then stopped and found each other. Although it was a little slow, i really think that theme is going to come back and be huge.

* Locke's statement about not being lost anymore was great. It's already happened again to Sun when she found her ring once she stopped looking...what's next?


I think that was a set up, like Claire's crib, he already knew where he wanted to go in that conversation and what emotion and response he wanted to influence.

Locke seems to be over his "crisis of faith" and is back to his enigmatic Yoda/Monk/Seer type interactions with folk. Or maybe he is just two sided something like bi-polar.

v/r,
C-F

Yes.


I second that.

I thought the whole back story tied into Locke's statement about not looking anymore. .
Nice catch! Count me as one who enjoys the pace. What is life without romance?
Where is this thread gonna be 2 weeks from now? Nowhere good.

* Was Walt in the preview really Walt, or was it an apparition (like when he appeared to say "don't push the button, the button is bad"?Seeing that Walt was dripping wet like the first apparition and his speech didn't make any sense, I'd go with apparition and not actual appearance.

How is it the previews always make the next episode seem more interesting than the one we just watched? :confused: heh-heh! Actually, I liked last night's episode. I didn't think it was too slow. At least not like Episode 2, Adrift, which we get to watch next week. They're just replaying Adrift to make the new episodes seem all that more exciting. :rolleyes:

As for the preview, I don't think it is a play on words as mentioned by a previous poster, but someone WILL die. That's the only way you're going to be talking about it all season. And someone mentioned it is sweeps/ratings month, so having someone die and not knowing who did it is a classic way to boost ratings. My observations about the preview:

• I noticed Shannon kneeling in sand looking at a cross in the ground. I assumed that she was visiting Boone's grave (didn't they put a cross in the ground for him?). Since they showed Shannon and Sayid lip-locking before that, they probably want to try to give the impression that Sayid dies, but I don't buy it.

• Sawyer ain't gonna die. They want to give that possibility because his infection, but that would be too obvious. Plus they need Sawyer for the romance four-some between Jack-Kate-Sawyer-Anna.

• I think it will be someone not expected and it will probably be done by someone not expected. I don't think the person who dies will be a back plane person, as that will not "keep you talking about it." So, that leaves me with Shannon as the next one knocked off! Why? She isn't that integral to any part in the story now with Boone gone. Notice how she was just a tag along when Claire brought the bottle to Sun. Shannon wasn't needed. They have not developed her character and don't know where to go with it. You DO NOT expect her since you see her kneeling at a grave, which is exactly why I think it WILL be her!

• As to how Shannon dies, the others are a definite possibility since the previews show her chasing after Walt. But, they also show Jack hiding in the shadows. I think possibly Jack kills her, or maybe he sees who kills her. If it is Jack, it could be an accidental/passionate killing/self defense if Shannon realizes Jack saved the young girl and not her father in the ER. If its not Jack or the Others, then my guess is Sayid. No real reason, other than either Jack or Sayid killing her for whatever reason would be certainly have you "talking about it the rest of the season." Then they will not answer for a long time why that person killed Shannon. Or, maybe we don't see who did it right away. I think ultimately Jack or Sayid kills Shannon because she has become an "Other", or has the disease, so they feel they must kill her for the good of the rest of the survivors. With Sayid's romantic relationship with Shannon, that would make it difficult for him to do the killing, which is why I'm going to say 41% Sayid, 39% Jack, and 20% Others as to who kills Shannon.

I thought the whole back story tied into Locke's statement about not looking anymore.

It did, but unlike previous backstories - it didn't tie the past to current actions. Sun's backstory should have been a precursor to her making the statement Locke did on the island.

If Kate had lost her little plane, and Sun told her to "stop looking", the backstory would have been an explanation for her attitude.

I'm agreeing that it's probably going to be Shannon if anyone actually gets killed (as opposed to merely disappearing for a time, as Walt has done). Same reasons: she really doesn't have much to do, no compelling storyline, and they've already killed off her brother with whom she had an interesting storyline. Also, she may want to begin that stellar movie career that surely awaits her since the smashing success of "The Fog". ;)

She'll be killed by the Others, or maybe one of the tail-group by accident. Can't see any plausible scenario where she'd be killed by one of the other familiar lostaways.

I liked the episode. In addition to what Iteki and mulesqb said, you also see Jin revisiting some of his themes of rejecting the past, being punished for it, then embracing it and being rewarded. He's been returned to a "village" of survivors and become their fisherman. Now that it looks like Sun's in Locke's group, I think we're being set up for another division of sorts-- of those fighting and desperate to get off the island, and those more willing and accepting of it.

Kate loves Sawyer!
I thought it was interesting that Kate went looking for Sawyer's note in the bottle. They didn't show her actually finding it. If I remember correctly, Sawyer refused to write a note when asked during season 1. But, Kate apparently didn't know that he didn't write a note.

It did, but unlike previous backstories - it didn't tie the past to current actions. Sun's backstory should have been a precursor to her making the statement Locke did on the island.

If Kate had lost her little plane, and Sun told her to "stop looking", the backstory would have been an explanation for her attitude.

I thought the backstory helped explain why Jin was adamant about trying to find Michael and help him with Walt. It was similar to the father and son that needed to use the bathroom.

Line of the night:

Hurley: "The next day he crapped out like a buck 35 in nickels."

That had me rolling on the floor. Ranks right up there with the Arzt comment.

The corpse that Jin stumbled upon in the jungle with Mr. Eko had a wooden post (branch, spear, whatever) protruding through his chest. Mr. Eko identified the corpse by name, so I must presume he was a member of the tail section.

I would theorize that this person became ill thus becoming violent (like the folks that Mr. Eko and company were keeping an eye out for in the jungle) and had to be killed. A stake through the heart is what seemed to kill him and that rings of zombie-like behavior.

Also, the scene where we see these other folks (not necessarily "the others", but the legs we saw whilst Eko and Jin were hiding) could be characterized as zombie-like as well. And they leave no footprints...

Therefore, I also believe that the "people" whose legs we saw are some of the other 23 tail section survivors that have become ill.

EDIT: Does anyone recall the name of the corpse (Mr. Anderson?)

My money is on Shannon too. Maggie Grace was recently on a local radio morning show (top rated Drew & Mike) to promote her new movie. Drew & Mike, being Lost junkies, had little interest in the movie so they asked a good number of Lost questions. Perhaps she didn't want to take focus away from the Fog, but she really didn't have much to add on her character this year and talked more in general terms about the show. Her publicist later abruptly reminded D & M that they had to wrap it up. So of course they end the call and declare that Shannon on the show sucks, has no purpose and should be killed....I think they were on to something...

I'm wondering where the tail group came up with the term "the others"...it would seem to indicate they have had some contact with Rousseau.
wow good catch i didnt think of that

I still don't understand the whole 'they don't leave tracks' thing. Barefoot or not, sick or not, people leave footprints in soft dirt/mud. I guess I'm still waiting for something in this show to be the result of something paranormal before I can accept any paranormal theory. Everything to this point seems to imply some paranormal explanation, but still nothing concrete to point at.

I'm wondering where the tail group came up with the term "the others"...it would seem to indicate they have had some contact with Rousseau.

Or not.

Mr. Eko could have interpreted Jin's "the others" as being the "other" members of the tail section - that is those that had survived but have since become ill (see my Zombie post above).

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0471046/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0471046/

Very interesting coincidence. Or unfortunate type-casting, though his Adebesi character was no Zombie slayer.

I too was disappointed in this week’s episode. Too much fluff, and little information about much of anything.

Right now they are taking the plot in multiple directions at once, and I’m not sure how well that is working. The show, in general, is turning dark, and that a real change from S1 and the first part of S2.

Ed

Does the backstory of Sun and her "setup" date with the hotelier relate to Jin's previous backstory of going to America to give someone a watch? This was a setup contrived by her infamous father, and he may be mad enough to send his new family employee, Jin, to the states to go after him for making a fool out of his daughter.
Another connection to someone relating to another's death perhaps?

vegggas

...Also, she may want to begin that stellar movie career that surely awaits her since the smashing success of "The Fog". ;)

Number 1 at the box office this week:

THIS WK LAST WK MOVIE TITLE WEEKEND BOX OFFICE TOTAL
BOX OFFICE RLS WKS THEATRES
1 - The Fog
Studio: Sony/screen Gems $11,752,917 $11,752,917 1 2972

I still don't understand the whole 'they don't leave tracks' thing.

I'm thinking that they are children. Not heavy enough to leave tracks.

Worst episode yet.

Agreed.

I'm thinking that they are children. Not heavy enough to leave tracks.

Ooooh, good one! If so, then there are at least 2 groups of "Others", as the boat people were definitely not kids.

Line of the night:

Hurley: "The next day he crapped out like a buck 35 in nickels."

That had me rolling on the floor. Ranks right up there with the Arzt comment.

My dog does that, but he only eats quarters. :D

The corpse that Jin stumbled upon in the jungle with Mr. Eko had a wooden post (branch, spear, whatever) protruding through his chest. Mr. Eko identified the corpse by name, so I must presume he was a member of the tail section.

I would theorize that this person became ill thus becoming violent (like the folks that Mr. Eko and company were keeping an eye out for in the jungle) and had to be killed. A stake through the heart is what seemed to kill him and that rings of zombie-like behavior.

It looked to me more like the person had fallen or been thrown down and impaled on a wooden shaft sticking out of the ground (like a tiger trap), rather than that they intentionally staked him through the heart.

Unlike, what it seems to be many here, I liked last nights episode. It's the back stories that make me care about these people week in and week out.

Eko referred to the dead man in the woods as "Goodwin".

I'm thinking that they are children. Not heavy enough to leave tracks.
I'm guessing that he meant they were smart enough not to leave easily trackable marks..

Ed

some of the legs did look really smooth and young... so either women or children or both

There is a lady named Rose who does laundry . . .

why is it that it's the black woman who does the laundry?

(From Marc Berman’s Thursday, October 20, 2005 Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com

“…As usual, ABC’s Lost was the top-rated show of the evening at a hefty 13.9/20 in the overnights, 20.72 million viewers and an 8.9/21 among adults 18-49 from 9-10 p.m …”

why is it that it's the black woman who does the laundry?

Maybe she's the only one who cares enough to wash. Many lead characters don't look they have had a change in clothes in some time.

Ed

Maybe she's the only one who cares enough to wash. Many lead characters don't look they have had a change in clothes in some time.

Ed

yeah, I got the impression she was washing her OWN clothes, not everyone else's. Is this the point in the thread where everything goes south until the next new ep? :-)

Exactly - big catfight coming between Kate and Ana --- ALRIGHT!!!

CATFIGHT!!!!

It looked to me more like the person had fallen or been thrown down and impaled on a wooden shaft sticking out of the ground (like a tiger trap), rather than that they intentionally staked him through the heart.

That seems plausible too, but if Goodwin was indeed an unfortunate victim of a fall or was killed by someone else, wouldn't the tail section survivors have buried him rather than leaving him to rot in the jungle?

Seems to me that Goodwin was not buried because he had become ill and was killed by the other survivors.

Remember that these tail section survivors have "trust issues". This implies that they don't know who to trust. Case in point is Goodwin. Perhaps one day he is fine, the next he is turning against them as a result of becoming ill.

yeah, I got the impression she was washing her OWN clothes, not everyone else's. Is this the point in the thread where everything goes south until the next new ep? :-)

The thread has "jumped the shark"!

:rolleyes:

My dog does that, but he only eats quarters. :D

Then 1)your dog could never crap out a buck 35, and 2) at least you get close to $7 for the hassle of sifting through the mess. Hardly worth it for a buck 35.

I'm wondering where the tail group came up with the term "the others"...it would seem to indicate they have had some contact with Rousseau.
They didn't...the rear section folks refered to them as "they," as in "we don't go that way, that's where they come from"...

~Dan

Does the backstory of Sun and her "setup" date with the hotelier relate to Jin's previous backstory of going to America to give someone a watch? This was a setup contrived by her infamous father, and he may be mad enough to send his new family employee, Jin, to the states to go after him for making a fool out of his daughter.

Another connection to someone relating to another's death perhaps?It sure seemed that the flashback didn't really relate to anything else. So maybe you're right and the intended recipient of the watch (someone earlier guessed it might be the equivalent of the Godfather's kiss, meaning the recipient is to be killed) was Sun's "date."

On the other hand, perhaps the guy will turn out to be one of the "others." Or maybe he's in another bunker somewhere on the island.

Xesdeeni

I counted 12, but that was with only one viewing.




Me too. I rewound my DVR just to count :)

For those of you complaining about the high number of backstories in recent episodes, please keep in mind what the producers have opnely stated many times: This is a character-driven show. You're just not going to have non-stop action and plot development on every episode. If you're expecting something else, then maybe it's time to tune into something else.

I still don't understand the whole 'they don't leave tracks' thing. Barefoot or not, sick or not, people leave footprints in soft dirt/mud. I guess I'm still waiting for something in this show to be the result of something paranormal before I can accept any paranormal theory. Everything to this point seems to imply some paranormal explanation, but still nothing concrete to point at.

Paranormal? Possible, I guess. Personally, I think the "don't leave tracks" comment is referring to a group of very experienced hunters who are very skilled in not being detected. Notice how carefully and quietly they stepped. They are masters of stealth. It just another one of those logic / magic dilemmas that the writers have placed. Just about everything on the island can either be explained logically or in paranormal terms depending on your point of view.

Since I'm "logically" minded, I personally don't think there is ANY paranormal business on the island. Everything can be explained logically. Others I've talked to are completely the opposite -- they think EVERYTHING is based on some paranormal force. And that's exactly what the writers are trying to achieve.

He was an idiot Before he won the money. We had to mark some of our gas lines for his sewer contracting down in southern WV. No matter how well we marked them, his company managed to hit the gas lines.
Well, the requirement is "Call Before You Dig," not "Call Before You Dig, Then Don't Hit Anything." :D

~Dan

Is this the point in the thread where everything goes south until the next new ep? :-)

I've developed a formula which calculates the quality of an episode:

(Number of new posts - irrelevant dribble) divided by (Timestamp of last post - timestamp of first post) = QF (quality factor)

Every series has some weeks where they "coast" (even 24) - this was one of them. But the answer isn't a 2 episode blitzkrieg of action and answers (like the beginning of the season) - the answer is more intricate side stories and backstories coupled with a slow deliberate pace of revelations of the overall story arc.
Could the problem be that JJ Abrams is off making Mission: Impossible 3 and not paying any attention to Lost? Alias basically sucked last year with JJ off working on Lost and ignoring Alias...

~Dan

Also, they should kill Sawyer, and bring in Van Damme as a new character. Kick ass! Wooooo! :D :D :D

Great post. Positively dripping! Am I the only one who knew immediately where the ring was to be found? I wouldn't write off Shannon just yet...


ron

Personally, I think the "don't leave tracks" comment is referring to a group of very experienced hunters who are very skilled in not being detected. Notice how carefully and quietly they stepped. They are masters of stealth.




I agree. Did anyone watching pick up on what tipped off Eko that they were coming? They seemed to be moving pretty quietly, you wouldn't think they'd be so easily detectable to be able to know they were coming in enough advance time to find a good hiding spot. All I could make out were lots of bird/jungle noises. Anyone replay the scene to see if anything else was audible?

[QUOTE=ricwhite]Personally, I think the "don't leave tracks" comment is referring to a group of very experienced hunters who are very skilled in not being detected. Notice how carefully and quietly they stepped. They are masters of stealth.
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I agree. Did anyone watching pick up on what tipped off Eko that they were coming? They seemed to be moving pretty quietly, you wouldn't think they'd be so easily detectable to be able to know they were coming in enough advance time to find a good hiding spot. All I could make out were lots of bird/jungle noises. Anyone replay the scene to see if anything else was audible?

At one point, when Jin fell and found the body, I swear I thought a scream off in the distance.

Did anyone else find it odd that Echo would go with Jin into the woods to help him and Michael? If "The Others" are to be feared like they are acting, why would he risk his life and getting separated from his group to help a stranger? I hope they offer a logical explanation for his actions. Maybe he just had to get away from the mega-biatch with the gun.

Also, did anyone else think that Jin was going to start talking English when he and Echo were in the woods? He did for a few exchanges, even if it was only a few words. My jaw dropped for a sec as I thought they were going to drop that on us right there. Then, he went back to normal.

I enjoyed last night's episode and the flashbacks. I think it helped establish the type of person Jin really is and why Sun fell for him. These flashbacks also help us care about and identify with the characters more, heightening the drama. I agree they should also tie into what's going on currently. Maybe we just don't know all the connections for this flashback yet.

I thought Echo had more respect for him when he got clocked in the jaw by Jin.

If Kate had lost her little plane, and Sun told her to "stop looking", the backstory would have been an explanation for her attitude.
Kate did look a little introspective when Sun said, "I don't know why I'm so upset, it's just a thing." Probably thinking of all the death and destruction she caused over a toy airplane...

~Dan

I thought it was interesting that Kate went looking for Sawyer's note in the bottle. They didn't show her actually finding it. If I remember correctly, Sawyer refused to write a note when asked during season 1. But, Kate apparently didn't know that he didn't write a note.
Why would any of the four on the raft write notes, when they're right there anyway? :confused:

~Dan

Did Kate write a note? Maybe she was looking for hers - perhaps to see if it had been removed.

I agree. Did anyone watching pick up on what tipped off Eko that they were coming? They seemed to be moving pretty quietly, you wouldn't think they'd be so easily detectable to be able to know they were coming in enough advance time to find a good hiding spot. All I could make out were lots of bird/jungle noises. Anyone replay the scene to see if anything else was audible?

I watched the episode twice, and I recall that there was a twig-snapping noise off in the distance right before he stops.

(More from Marc Berman’s Thursday, October 20, 2005 Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com)

“…Before we move elsewhere, let’s talk about Lost for one moment. While it was nice to be back on the beach last night, what’s going on with that hatch? Who the heck are “The Others” already? And why have we seen virtually nothing of Charlie, Claire and Shannon this season? Come on J.J. and Damon – we need some answers, and we need them now! Stop bringing in all these new characters without adequately dealing with the existing ones…”

I thought Echo had more respect for him when he got clocked in the jaw by Jin.


Yeah, AAA gave him a look that spoke volumes:

1) I respect that you want to find your friend
2) I respect that you are willing to fight for your right to help him
3) Don't ever do that again

Yeah, AAA gave him a look that spoke volumes:

1) I respect that you want to find your friend
2) I respect that you are willing to fight for your right to help him
3) Don't ever do that again

4) You sure got a perty mouth.

(More from Marc Berman’s Thursday, October 20, 2005 Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com)

“…Before we move elsewhere, let’s talk about Lost for one moment. While it was nice to be back on the beach last night, what’s going on with that hatch? Who the heck are “The Others” already? And why have we seen virtually nothing of Charlie, Claire and Shannon this season? Come on J.J. and Damon – we need some answers, and we need them now! Stop bringing in all these new characters without adequately dealing with the existing ones…”

Not to mention uber-handyman Sayid, one of my favorites. He didn't appear at all last night....

4) You sure got a perty mouth.

Oh Dude, did you really have to go there? :rolleyes: :p

I thought the backstory helped explain why Jin was adamant about trying to find Michael and help him with Walt. It was similar to the father and son that needed to use the bathroom.
If not for the "Tabula Rasa" provided by the island, Jin would truly be a classical tragic character: a good-hearted man, caught up in a situation well beyond his control, ultimately leading to his demise. But, unlike Shakespeare's characters, Jin has a chance to come full circle and beat the scripted tragic ending.

I liked seeing what Jin once was, and is on the path to again becoming.

And chasing after Michael, regardless of the personal risk involved...isn't that what true friendship is really about?

Also, kudos to Mr. Echo, for going with Jin, while knowing nothing about Jin or Michael. Most people would rather choose to not get involved. Echo is a stand-up kind of guy.

~Dan

Everything to this point seems to imply some paranormal explanation, but still nothing concrete to point at.

Isn't it rather oxymoronic to have concrete explanations for the paranormal?
;)

BTW - according to the CC, it's Mr. Eko.

I would theorize that this person became ill thus becoming violent (like the folks that Mr. Eko and company were keeping an eye out for in the jungle) and had to be killed. A stake through the heart is what seemed to kill him and that rings of zombie-like behavior.
Um...you kill zombies by destroying their brains. You kill vampires by staking them through the heart...

~Dan

Me too. I rewound my DVR just to count :)I'm planning to watch it again because it seemed to me as I watched it live that some of the legs were repeated as in old WWII movies where they would show the same plane being shot down a couple of times during a battle.

I still don't understand the whole 'they don't leave tracks' thing. Barefoot or not, sick or not, people leave footprints in soft dirt/mud. I guess I'm still waiting for something in this show to be the result of something paranormal before I can accept any paranormal theory. Everything to this point seems to imply some paranormal explanation, but still nothing concrete to point at.
Eko (is it spelled Eko?) said "they don't leave tracks"; he didn't say "the don't make tracks."

Perhaps "they" are just good at hiding their tracks...

~Dan

Why would any of the four on the raft write notes, when they're right there anyway? :confused:

In case they didn't make it. The same reason they stored the notes in a bottle, rather than keep them on their persons.

Could the problem be that JJ Abrams is off making Mission: Impossible 3 and not paying any attention to Lost? Alias basically sucked last year with JJ off working on Lost and ignoring Alias...

Alias season 3 sucked a lot worse than season 4, and Abrams' attention wasn't divided by anything that year.

Besides, Abrams isn't really the driving force behind Lost.

Um...you kill zombies by destroying their brains. You kill vampires by staking them through the heart...

~Dan

Well, maybe that's the way YOU do it... :o

Did Kate write a note? Maybe she was looking for hers - perhaps to see if it had been removed.Or to remove it. Something in the note, if read by one of the other survivors, may have hinted at her past, which they all don't know.

Doc

CATFIGHT!!!!

CATFIGHT!!!!!!!

In case they didn't make it. The same reason they stored the notes in a bottle, rather than keep them on their persons.
Wasn't the purpose of the notes to let friends and family know people were ok, not that they didn't make it? And I think the purpose of the bottle was to keep the notes dry...

Anyway, when Charlie gave Michael the bottle, he asked "What's this?" So, I get the impression Charlie didn't ask any of the four to write a note...

~Dan

Alias season 3 sucked a lot worse than season 4, and Abrams' attention wasn't divided by anything that year.

Well, that's your opinion. Season 4 was pretty putrid (spoken by someone who saw them both - and wondered why).

Besides, Abrams isn't really the driving force behind Lost.
According to the book DisneyWar Lloyd Braun of ABC approached Abrams with "Lost" and it took him a weekend of persuasion to get him to do it. The concept had originally gone to... Aaron Spelling Productions ( :eek: ) but ABC didn't like the script they came back with, thank God, so they took the idea to Abrams instead.

Or to remove it. Something in the note, if read by one of the other survivors, may have hinted at her past, which they all don't know.

Doc

That's what I assumed. She was making no attempt to read them, only a quick glance at each. She must have written or previously seen the one she was looking for.

Or to remove it. Something in the note, if read by one of the other survivors, may have hinted at her past, which they all don't know.

Doc

That's a good point. Perhaps her "concern" about Sawyer was just to throw Sun off the scent of her real reason to go through those notes... :eek:

Um...you kill zombies by destroying their brains. You kill vampires by staking them through the heart...
Well, maybe that's the way YOU do it... :o
With all the Dharma Initiative stuff going on, they could be vampiric zombies... :D

~Dan

[QUOTE=simplyTron][QUOTE=ricwhite]Personally, I think the "don't leave tracks" comment is referring to a group of very experienced hunters who are very skilled in not being detected. Notice how carefully and quietly they stepped. They are masters of stealth.


At one point, when Jin fell and found the body, I swear I thought a scream off in the distance.

1) I heard a scream twice (within a minute of each other).

2) Did anybody else get the impression that while Mr. Eko and Jin were hiding and the legs came by that they just repeated the same take twice for a portion of the scene. I thought I detected an edit and they showed the same legs with the exact same steps/movementi n the same sequence.

3) I agree that "they don't LEAVE tracks". Makes them experienced in the jungle or something else but not flight 815 survivors. Been in that environment awhile. Perhaps they're part of the Hanso project. After all the projects included a) Life extention b) Cryogenics and c) Eugenics.

[QUOTE=Mntneer][QUOTE=simplyTron]

2) Did anybody else get the impression that while Mr. Eko and Jin were hiding and the legs came by that they just repeated the same take twice for a portion of the scene. I thought I detected an edit and they showed the same legs with the exact same steps/movementi n the same sequence.


I thought the same thing. Looked like a "rerun". But they wouldn't have done that on purpose or made that glaring an error thinking nobody would notice, would they? Not on this show.

They didn't...the rear section folks refered to them as "they," as in "we don't go that way, that's where they come from"...

~Dan
Yes, as CP noted as well, it may be just Jin's use of "the others" while with Eko.

[QUOTE=Mntneer][QUOTE=simplyTron]

... I thought I detected an edit and they showed the same legs with the exact same steps/movement in the same sequence.

Yep, see above :)

These flashbacks also help us care about and identify with the characters more, heightening the drama. I agree they should also tie into what's going on currently...

I didn't care for the fact that Jack met Desmond in the flashback right before meeting him in the show that same episode. I'd rather have the backstory incorporate something/someone that's going to be relevant later on in the story.

I didn't care for the fact that Jack met Desmond in the flashback right before meeting him in the show that same episode. I'd rather have the backstory incorporate something/someone that's going to be relevant later on in the story.
But if we'd seen the Desmond/Jack backstory even a single episode earlier, people would have been ranting: "What was that? How irrelevant...this show has 'jumped the shark'!" :rolleyes:

~Dan

[QUOTE=tdtobat][QUOTE=Mntneer]

I thought the same thing. Looked like a "rerun". But they wouldn't have done that on purpose or made that glaring an error thinking nobody would notice, would they? Not on this show.
Going to watch this ep again this weekend, but weren't they all barefoot? I can't imagine that these people would be from the plane and 40 odd days later they are walking barefoot all over an island. The first group are all wearing shoes IIRC. Even the tailers are wearing shoes. Granted not wearing shoes allows one to leave less tracks, but if these "others' are so feared and powerful why would they care if they left tracks...unless there is an even more powerful entity on the island.. :eek: :D

BTW, this island is sure getting crowded.. :p

I enjoyed it also. I think the guy who plays Jin is a great actor. I thought the whole back story tied into Locke's statement about not looking anymore. Both Jin and Sun were looking for something in the back story and then stopped and found each other. Although it was a little slow, i really think that theme is going to come back and be huge.

First off, on Jin- I keep waiting for him to get on a radio and call in Jack Bauer to help figure this stuff out- "Jack- Tom Baker here... we have a problem..."

As for your other statement, I was going to say the same thing. The writers don't seem to just throw in filler. Everything seems to have some underlying reason for being shown. Eventually, we may even be told what it is.

An earlier poster was right...when the Harlem Globetrotters crash on teh island we can start worrying about shark jumping :-).
I'm scared we'll have a flashback episode with everyone sitting the cave talking about the crazy things that have happened over the past x seasons. They did that in the end of the first season of Alias. :confused:

Has it been verified that Desmond packed that same Teddy bear in the previous episode. If so, I guess that means he's dead meat.

Eko (is it spelled Eko?) said "they don't leave tracks"; he didn't say "the don't make tracks."

Perhaps "they" are just good at hiding their tracks...

~Dan

Relating to a previous poster, note that he also didn't say that they don't make noise.

Then 1)your dog could never crap out a buck 35, and 2) at least you get close to $7 for the hassle of sifting through the mess. Hardly worth it for a buck 35.

Well, since Freedom costs a buck-o-five, that would leave 30 cents for candy ;)

[QUOTE=archiguy][QUOTE=tdtobat]
Going to watch this ep again this weekend, but weren't they all barefoot? I can't imagine that these people would be from the plane and 40 odd days later they are walking barefoot all over an island. The first group are all wearing shoes IIRC. Even the tailers are wearing shoes. Granted not wearing shoes allows one to leave less tracks, but if these "others' are so feared and powerful why would they care if they left tracks...unless there is an even more powerful entity on the island.. :eek: :D

BTW, this island is sure getting crowded.. :p

I think the point is that they are 'sick' and have become insane/powerful/god knows what. Or they have 'regressed'. Either way, the fact that they have SOME clothing but no shoes means they were likely civilized at one point.

I'm hoping the women are topless though :-)

[QUOTE=tdtobat][QUOTE=Mntneer]

I thought the same thing. Looked like a "rerun"...

I saw what you saw.

First off, on Jin- I keep waiting for him to get on a radio and call in Jack Bauer to help figure this stuff out- "Jack- Tom Baker here... we have a problem..."


I doubt it. Remember what happened to him the last time he got mixed up with Jack (don't hang with me if you value your life) Bauer. :)

[QUOTE=keenan][QUOTE=archiguy]
I'm hoping the women are topless though :-)

Sadly, this show ain't on HBO ..... :(

I doubt it. Remember what happened to him the last time he got mixed up with Jack (don't hang with me if you value your life) Bauer. :)


Man if only Jack Bauer were on of the Survivors...he'd have the island's mysteries solved before the next commercial break:

"WHO ARE THE OTHERS!!!!!"
"WHERE ARE THEY!!!!!"
"THERE'S NO TIME!!!!"
"I NEED A HACKSAW!"

Who's got a screencap of the Desmond's Teddy and "the others'" teddy so we can compare 'em?

OK, here's a pic of the "others'" teddy:

http://fudaserve.net/linkedimages/LostTeddy.jpg

Who's got Desmond's?

Then 1)your dog could never crap out a buck 35, and 2) at least you get close to $7 for the hassle of sifting through the mess. Hardly worth it for a buck 35.
Unless Hurley bought the lottery ticket with $1 in nickels, then it was worth it. :D

[QUOTE=Iteki][QUOTE=keenan]

Sadly, this show ain't on HBO ..... :(
If it were, we'd only get 12 episodes a year! :eek:

~Dan

[QUOTE=archiguy][QUOTE=Iteki]
If it were, we'd only get 12 episodes a year! :eek:

~Dan

And 2 years between seasons! :eek:

"A stake through the heart is what seemed to kill him and that rings of zombie-like behavior."

last time I checked, a stake through the heart pretty much kills anything.

"Maggie Grace was recently on a local radio morning show (top rated Drew & Mike) to promote her new movie."

Drew and Mike are great. She spoke of skinny dipping with certain members of the cast as well, one being Hugo, at which point Mike said "thats one hell of a canopy he has sheilding that thing".

[QUOTE=archiguy][QUOTE=Iteki]
If it were, we'd only get 12 episodes a year! :eek:

~Dan

Yep

"A stake through the heart is what seemed to kill him and that rings of zombie-like behavior."

last time I checked, a stake through the heart pretty much kills anything.


This is true, but perhaps ONLY a stake through the heart kills these folks.

This is true, but perhaps ONLY a stake through the heart kills these folks.

A clip full of bullets seemed to stop Ethan.

Ethan was just a juiced-up bunker-boy.

I'm scared we'll have a flashback episode with everyone sitting the cave talking about the crazy things that have happened over the past x seasons. They did that in the end of the first season of Alias. :confused:

What episode was that? :confused:

Has it been verified that Desmond packed that same Teddy bear in the previous episode. If so, I guess that means he's dead meat.
Desmond didn't pack a teddy bear... he packed a stuffed rabbit.

Well, since Freedom costs a buck-o-five, that would leave 30 cents for candy ;)

That depends on the tax rate.

As for the barefoot hikers - I'm not at all sold that they are "The Others". My thoughts:

1) I agree that they used the same clip more than once - whether to indicate twins, clones, poor editing - that is still to be determined.

2) To me, at least, all of the legs and feet looked smaller, and the legs were all shaved or blond haired, if not exacty clean. I thought all of the legs looked like women and/or children. I'm certain that none of those legs could have belonged to somebody the size of Ethan Rom or the bearded guy from the boat, two probable members of the Others.

3) As for the teddy-bear kid, there was what had to be a continuity error there. There were three total shots that showed this kid. In the first, the pants came down to the bottom of the calf/mid-leg area. In the other two, the pants barely broke the knees.

This error makes me wonder about the editing of the rest of the scene with the walkers. I'd doubt that the editing would be that sloppy to have two glaring mistakes in one scene like that. Which makes me think the double take on the other sets of feet is intentional.

My WAG: could they all be "special children" similar to Rousseau's son and Walt? Kind of their own little Lord of the Flies group? That would give us another set of island inhabitants to watch out for.

[QUOTE=archiguy][QUOTE=Iteki]
If it were, we'd only get 12 episodes a year! :eek:

~Dan

Yeah, but no commercials. Should equal out about the same!

...She spoke of skinny dipping with certain members of the cast as well, one being Hugo, at which point Mike said "thats one hell of a canopy he has sheilding that thing".

Someone once told me "you should keep a shed over a good piece of equipment".

A clip full of bullets seemed to stop Ethan.


And who ever said that Ethan was a tailer that had "gone bad"?

Other than a few words in the jungle, which I expect he's picked up in the 40-some days they've been there, I didn't hear much in English. What did I miss?

Hey I didn't say it was perfect English mind you. Maybe he did pick it up on the island, but I dont see anyone speaking Korean every now and then :)

Ethan was just a juiced-up bunker-boy.
Ethan was clean cut and wore decent clothes. I'd agree that he came from another bunker and was NOT an Other.

The people who walked by Jin and Eko wore rags and no shoes, so they have been on the Island a while and were not back plane people turned Others.

I don't think the "stake through the heart" of the dead back plane guy had any significance other than to show the guy was killed and didn't die from some sickness. Mr. Eko confirmed that dead man was a back plane person. But had he become sick and turned on the other survivors, so the healthy ones had to kill him? Or was he healthy but the Others killed him (presumably, like they killed the other 17 back plane folks)? Since Libby said they had trust issues, I assume the healthy back plane folks had to kill their own, after they got "sick."

One last thing, look at this shot when Sawyer, Michael, and Jin were on the beach and the back plane folk got them:

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/3912/others8bz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Is that man to the left suppose to be Rose's husband? The clothes are similar, but the guy is taller, looks different, and is obviously not the same actor. At first I thought he might be the dead guy in the forrest, but that guy had tan pants on and not jeans.

The people who walked by Jin and Eko wore rags and no shoes, so they have been on the Island a while and were not back plane people turned Others.

Is that man to the left suppose to be Rose's husband? The clothes are similar, but the guy is taller, looks different, and is obviously not the same actor. At first I thought he might be the dead guy in the forrest, but that guy had tan pants on and not jeans.

Edit:

As far as the no shoes argument goes, if getting sick makes people regress, then quite possibly they removed their own shoes.

Rose's husband is the one who opened the bunker door for them when they brought Mike, Jin, and Sawyer. So this is some other guy.

It's possible the 'Others' got to him while our boys were in the pit, or he got sick and they had to take him out.

Yeah, but it would be pretty freaky if those numbers somehow actually came up the winners wouldn't it?


ron

I'll let you know - my mother played the numbers!! :D

Then 1)your dog could never crap out a buck 35, and 2) at least you get close to $7 for the hassle of sifting through the mess. Hardly worth it for a buck 35.

Hurley's dog eats $1.35 in nickels. That's 27 nickels. 135-27=.........wait for it.........108.

Hurley's dog eats $1.35 in nickels. That's 27 nickels. 135-27=.........wait for it.........108.
Dude, you need a life... :p :D

Hey I didn't say it was perfect English mind you. Maybe he did pick it up on the island, but I dont see anyone speaking Korean every now and then :)

If you lived on an island for 40+ days with a 99% Korean population, you'd learn Korean pretty FAST mate. If only to ask, "are we eating that Vincent dog tonight"?

You know, I thought the group of legs walking by Eko and Jin looked rather young too. Perhaps they're a collection of children that someone's collecting and expirementing on?

Since we resolved the Desmond's bunny vs. "others'" teddy, how about someone post some screen shots of each set of legs they showed, perhaps so we can determine if it's 12 unique sets, or repeats, and if the legs look child-like, lady-like, or man-like.

Also, when I first saw the choppy editing, I was thinking that it might have been to give the effect of switching viewpoints between Jin and Eko (or were they visible in the shot(s)?)

...... and the "Escherichia coli" you'd get foraging for nickels in a bunch of dog crap has......wait for it.... 15 letters. ;)

Also, when I first saw the choppy editing, I was thinking that it might have been to give the effect of switching viewpoints between Jin and Eko (or were they visible in the shot(s)?)

That's what I thought too. I don't think it was bad editing. I think some legs were shown more than once, but I just thought they were different vantage points or it was just done to look dramatic.

Could have been a deja vu glitch in the Matrix.

[QUOTE=danco][QUOTE=archiguy]

And 2 years between seasons! :eek:

Not to hijack this thread but this is exactly why I cancelled HBO. Eff them!! I'll wait for the DVDs or wait for my free HBO week and catch the stuff I want to see on HBO OnDemand.

I was willing to pay but geez, I felt likt they were in a room laughing as I waited for the new season of my favorite series.

I liked when after asking Sun if she was from the good Korea or the bad Korea he then asked her if she went to the Olympics. It was a very Chris Farley moment.

That was awesome

Could have been a deja vu glitch in the Matrix.
Can you repeat that? :p

My impression was that the staked guy was still out there because the tail survivors had been staying out of that area.

Or maybe they are inured to the dead bodies after losing so many people. . .

2) To me, at least, all of the legs and feet looked smaller, and the legs were all shaved or blond haired, if not exacty clean. I thought all of the legs looked like women and/or children. I'm certain that none of those legs could have belonged to somebody the size of Ethan Rom or the bearded guy from the boat, two probable members of the Others.

I don't buy it. They didn't look like children's legs to me, and if they had been children I seriously doubt that Eko (can someone confirm that spelling?) would have been so afraid of them. Even if he only got a clear view of their legs, at that closeness he would have been able to tell they were children.

Some of the legs were wearing khakis. When was the last time you saw a kid wearing khakis?

When was the last time you saw a kid wearing khakis?


When was the last time you saw 70 individuals survive a plane crash from 35,000 feet, or nanobots pull people into holes, or polar bears in a tropical region, etc.? ;)

I don't buy it. They didn't look like children's legs to me, and if they had been children I seriously doubt that Eko (can someone confirm that spelling?) would have been so afraid of them. Even if he only got a clear view of their legs, at that closeness he would have been able to tell they were children.

Some of the legs were wearing khakis. When was the last time you saw a kid wearing khakis?

All the time, in THE GAP commercials.

What episode was that? :confused:
The Alias flashback clip episode in the first season was #17 "Q & A" starring Lost's Terry O'Quinn who interogated Sydney about what's happened in the season so far.

It's spelled Ako on TV.Com. Don't visit tv.com if you want to remain spoiler free because some may consider Ako's cast description a spoiler.

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/3912/others8bz.jpg

Is that man to the left suppose to be Rose's husband? The clothes are similar, but the guy is taller, looks different, and is obviously not the same actor. At first I thought he might be the dead guy in the forrest, but that guy had tan pants on and not jeans.
Rose's husband is the one who opened the bunker door for them when they brought Mike, Jin, and Sawyer. So this is some other guy.
But the stewardess, Cindy, is in the picture and was also back in the bunker with Bernard.

Looks to me like they took shifts watching Sawyer, Jin and Michael, while they were in the hole...

~Dan

Well, it was inevitable: the onslaught of "it was boring", "too slow", and "jumped the shark" posts have begun. Personally, I'm glad the producers aren't accelerating the pace to appease the ADD, MTV, must-have-constant-action masses. I appreciate the backstories. The characters are more fully realized than most shows could only dream of.

Amen. Character stories and flashbacks are not "filler." The characters' journeys are the entire point of the show, and the weird stuff/unanswered questions are the side-story, not the other way around.

I think a lot of people would be happier if they stopped expecting major revelations in each episode. Or maybe just accepted this isn't the show for them, because if all they want are answers to the mysteries, they're going to be unhappy 99% of the time. For those in need of immediate gratification, there's a Law & Order or CSI on pretty much every night that will be happy to provide it in 42 minutes.

We actually learned quite a bit about Sun and Jin, and it wasn't what I expected. It was also a fascinating but respectful look at a very different culture.

Amen. Character stories and flashbacks are not "filler." The characters' journeys are the entire point of the show, and the weird stuff/unanswered questions are the side-story, not the other way around.

I think a lot of people would be happier if they stopped expecting major revelations in each episode. Or maybe just accepted this isn't the show for them, because if all they want are answers to the mysteries, they're going to be unhappy 99% of the time. For those in need of immediate gratification, there's a Law & Order or CSI on pretty much every night that will be happy to provide it in 42 minutes.

We actually learned quite a bit about Sun and Jin, and it wasn't what I expected. It was also a fascinating but respectful look at a very different culture.
Indeed.

But the stewardess, Cindy, is in the picture and was also back in the bunker with Bernard.

Looks to me like they took shifts watching Sawyer, Jin and Michael, while they were in the hole...

~Dan

Then where is he now?

And who ever said that Ethan was a tailer that had "gone bad"?
Hurley's census showed that Ethan wasn't on the plane...

~Dan

Hurley's census showed that Ethan wasn't on the plane...

~Dan

Niether was Desmond.

where the hell did desmond go!?!?!?!?! if he's gone forever im gonna be pissed

About the legs that passed by Jin and Ako, I too thought that there was a repetition of the legs that went by. Don't remember whether two or three times. But the teddy bear was shown only once. And since no one else has mentioned it, I must be mistaken, but, I thought the pairs of legs alternated between bare legs and legs with trousers. Some trouser legs were full length other just below knee length, other in between. But my thought, as they passed by was, that there were captives walking in line with captors. I thought the ones with pants were captives of the "others?" or whomever, that had bare legs. And since I had to watch this ep on analog TV, I couldn't see clearly, but looked like the bare legs were either rather hairy or dirty.

Then where is he now?
Well, Sam Anderson is 82 years old, so maybe they thought they'd better have the stunt man in the jerky-camera-shot, run-around on the beach scene...

Here's Sam back in 1995:

http://ferrarishields.com/samanderson.jpg


~Dan

Doesn't anyone think that Michelle Rodriguez's character is extremely irritating? Why would anyone listen to any of her obnoxious commands. I find it extremely annoying. I roll my eyes everytime she's in a seen. She's ruining it for me.....

Well, it was inevitable: the onslaught of "it was boring", "too slow", and "jumped the shark" posts have begun. Personally, I'm glad the producers aren't accelerating the pace to appease the ADD, MTV, must-have-constant-action masses. I appreciate the backstories. The characters are more fully realized than most shows could only dream of. Yet, some still aren't satisfied. Perhaps I could suggest NASCAR instead. They have lots of crashes and stuff blows up. Any of the various CSI's are also nice. They solve everything in an hour. Nothing to think about or strain your brain over. Nice and tidy and requiring nothing but blank stares from the viewer. Everything in LOST doesn't have to "reveal" something about the plot line. Sometimes helping further develop the characters is more important. I like what we learned about Jin and Sun tonight. Gives both characters, and their relationship, an added depth. Not that I'd expect the ADD masses to understand depth...


Hear, hear! I Totally agree. Lost is a great show primarily because of the detailed attention to its characters and what they are about. This latest episode was yet again was filled with more good character development and interesting storytelling. Judging from some folks reactions, they apparently seemed to have missed out on all of it.

Ethan was clean cut and wore decent clothes. I'd agree that he came from another bunker and was NOT an Other.
There's no reason to think he came from another bunker. Our front plane section people have had it much easier with all the luggage from their section of the plane. Ethan infiltrated our front plane group post crash and just helped himself to luggage clothing. Given the crash confusion and the initial lack of security the first weeks, this would have been easy to do. Our back plane section didn't have luggage land with them and have had a much more "Survivor-ish" experience.

To get a "No-Prize", I'll say the unknown guy in the picture was just one of the other survivors. They've been pretty secretive about the attrition rate so there may have even been as many as 20+ when Mike/Jin/Sawyer were captured. We just don't know yet.

Doesn't anyone think that Michelle Rodriguez's character is extremely irritating? Why would anyone listen to any of her obnoxious commands. I find it extremely annoying. I roll my eyes everytime she's in a seen. She's ruining it for me.....
I keep waiting for Sawyer's Beretta to slip out of her belt and hit the ground...

I have a feeling her bad-a$$ attitude won't be very welcome among the mid-section survivors.

~Dan

Is it just me or does anyone else think Michelle's character has some military or police training. She knows how to fight and use a weapon. I'm wondering if she might be an Air Marshall. Aren't there always at least 2 on every flight? If she is then the guy transporting Kate would have had to check in with her since he was carrying guns and she would probably know that Kate is a fugitive. Makes for some interesting future story lines if she is.

Doesn't anyone think that Michelle Rodriguez's character is extremely irritating? Why would anyone listen to any of her obnoxious commands. I find it extremely annoying. I roll my eyes everytime she's in a seen. She's ruining it for me.....

For me, I look at everything her character says and does in the context of the chat she and Jack had in the Airport bar near the end of last season. I find it interesting that she seems to be the one who emerged as the leader of the back-of-the-plane gang just as Jack did for our original group of survivors. Even if she is at times irritating, I'm more interested where they take her character:

1) Her and Jack's approach to handling the leadership role is vastly different.

2) The back-of-the plane gang has obviously been through far more traumatic experiences, turing her into hard @$$ bee-otch.

3) There's no telling what might happen when she inevitably runs into Jack again.

Doesn't anyone think that Michelle Rodriguez's character is extremely irritating? Why would anyone listen to any of her obnoxious commands. I find it extremely annoying. I roll my eyes everytime she's in a seen. She's ruining it for me.....

Heartily agree.

Doesn't anyone think that Michelle Rodriguez's character is extremely irritating? Why would anyone listen to any of her obnoxious commands. I find it extremely annoying. I roll my eyes everytime she's in a seen. She's ruining it for me.....

Last season I wanted Jack dead. I recant. If the writers would please kill the WAY over the top 'Rambina' off in the most grisly fashion possible in a long drawn out, gratuiously violent scene, I'd be forever greatfull. My 2nd choice woud be Shannon, but it's a distant second.

LOST fans will love the cast nicknames posted here...

http://www.losthatch.com/nicknames.aspx

Doesn't anyone think that Michelle Rodriguez's character is extremely irritating? Why would anyone listen to any of her obnoxious commands. I find it extremely annoying. I roll my eyes everytime she's in a seen. She's ruining it for me.....
I thought this way about that dumb racist redneck hillbilly Sawyer at first but I began to like him after a few more episodes.

"Hurley's census showed that Ethan wasn't on the plane..."


PLANE SEATING CHART (http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm)

now click on the green pre-board check in box on the bottom right

"Doesn't anyone think that Michelle Rodriguez's character is extremely irritating? Why would anyone listen to any of her obnoxious commands. I find it extremely annoying. I roll my eyes everytime she's in a seen. She's ruining it for me..."

I couldnt agree more. She is easily the worst actor/actress on the show. I cannot see myself watching this the whole season if every episode has 10 minutes of her crap in it.

Doesn't anyone think that Michelle Rodriguez's character is extremely irritating? Why would anyone listen to any of her obnoxious commands. I find it extremely annoying. I roll my eyes everytime she's in a seen. She's ruining it for me.....

And for a lot of others here going by many of the posts, but I'm afraid she'll be a regular for some time to come owing to what's brewing between she and Sawyer. Let's hope her character is short-lived on the show (but not before she and Kate go at it).

[QUOTE=TommyK]Even if she is at times irritating, I'm more interested where they take her character:

1) Her and Jack's approach to handling the leadership role is vastly different.[QUOTE]


Although Jack is at times quite irritating as well.

Last season I wanted Jack dead. I recant. If the writers would please kill the WAY over the top 'Rambina' off in the most grisly fashion possible in a long drawn out, gratuiously violent scene, I'd be forever greatfull.

Come on, tell us how you REALLY feel!

"Hurley's census showed that Ethan wasn't on the plane..."


PLANE SEATING CHART (http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm)

now click on the green pre-board check in box on the bottom right

Cool, I hadn't seen that before. What anagrams did we come up with for Eathan Rom?

Doesn't anyone think that Michelle Rodriguez's character is extremely irritating? Why would anyone listen to any of her obnoxious commands. I find it extremely annoying. I roll my eyes everytime she's in a seen. She's ruining it for me.....

Don't worry, I'm sure we'll find out why she is the way she is in a future flashback. But yes I think she is very annoying.

"Hurley's census showed that Ethan wasn't on the plane..."
PLANE SEATING CHART (http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm)
now click on the green pre-board check in box on the bottom right

Which, of course, doesn't mean he was on the plane. :rolleyes:

I removed the anagram, since it probably would be a spoiler. I think you can find the answer on the spoilers thread.

"Lost" Numbers Lose Millions (http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,17621,00.html?fdnews)

Which, of course, doesn't mean he was on the plane. :rolleyes:

I removed the anagram, since it probably would be a spoiler. I think you can find the answer on the spoilers thread.
Not a spoiler...we were on to this one early last December...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=4744201&&#post4744201

~Dan

Not a spoiler...we were on to this one early last December...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=4744201&&#post4744201In fact, it's what started the whole "anagram craze" around here.

"Doesn't anyone think that Michelle Rodriguez's character is extremely irritating? Why would anyone listen to any of her obnoxious commands. I find it extremely annoying. I roll my eyes everytime she's in a seen. She's ruining it for me..."

I couldnt agree more. She is easily the worst actor/actress on the show. I cannot see myself watching this the whole season if every episode has 10 minutes of her crap in it.

This is probably more a reaction to her being female and acting the way she is. If AAA were in charge and barking orders, he'd still be disliked, but not to this extent. Given our society, it's a fairly natural reaction, but not a fair one.

We don't know what these people have been through yet, although it seems they've been brutalized pretty badly and whittled down to a very few. Ana, for whatever reason, has emerged as their leader and as such, has borne the burden of command and feels responsible for what has happened to her people.

Her distrust of our three rafters is pretty understandable, and now she's responsible for them too.

I'm willing to give her character some leeway here until we can see what she's been through and if she mellows once the groups have 'merged'.

And yes, we've seen this to a lesser extent with Jack. Being a leader, willing or unwilling, has caused him to become a bit of a whiny jerk.

"This is probably more a reaction to her being female and acting the way she is. If AAA were in charge and barking orders, he'd still be disliked, but not to this extent. Given our society, it's a fairly natural reaction, but not a fair one."

Thanks for trying to think for me, but guess what. It has nothing to do with that at all. She is a horrid actress, plain and simple. She has been horrible in every role she has had.
Her character in LOST comes accross as so phony that its painful to watch.

Doesn't anyone think that Michelle Rodriguez's character is extremely irritating? Why would anyone listen to any of her obnoxious commands. I find it extremely annoying. I roll my eyes everytime she's in a seen. She's ruining it for me.....

i agree completely (see earlier post). not only that, she is not at all convincing as an actor- many actors portray obnoxious people and pull it off - she can't

"Doesn't anyone think that Michelle Rodriguez's character is extremely irritating? Why would anyone listen to any of her obnoxious commands. I find it extremely annoying. I roll my eyes everytime she's in a seen. She's ruining it for me..."

I couldnt agree more. She is easily the worst actor/actress on the show. I cannot see myself watching this the whole season if every episode has 10 minutes of her crap in it.

Yep. Plus I am so distracted by her mustache I find it hard to watch.

Amen. Character stories and flashbacks are not "filler." The characters' journeys are the entire point of the show, and the weird stuff/unanswered questions are the side-story, not the other way around.

I think a lot of people would be happier if they stopped expecting major revelations in each episode. Or maybe just accepted this isn't the show for them, because if all they want are answers to the mysteries, they're going to be unhappy 99% of the time. For those in need of immediate gratification, there's a Law & Order or CSI on pretty much every night that will be happy to provide it in 42 minutes.

We actually learned quite a bit about Sun and Jin, and it wasn't what I expected. It was also a fascinating but respectful look at a very different culture.Hogwash.

This episiode was nothing like any other earlier episode of this show. What did we learn about Sun and Jin? That Jin had a meaningless job working for the same company of the guy who Sun was "arranged" with? Yawn. We needed a whole hour-long show for that?

I'm all for character development and backstory, but this episode did what one flashback in any prior episode would do. I also don't need instant gratification, but I do tend to watch TV to -- you know -- be entertained. And this most recent episode was just not entertaining.

But maybe I'm just sensitive to this because I've seen other shows that I've really liked go downhill real fast after episodes like this. Pretty soon they're all like this. Anyone remember seargeant Cruz from Third Watch? Can we say Ana Lucia?

If you want to learn about other cultures, why not tune that big ole' HDTV of yours to Discovery HD Theater or INHD? There's constantly shows about other cultures on those channels.

To think that the only reason people didn't like this most recent episode is because they need instant gratification or they're the "ADD MTV generation" is not only closed minded, it's also insulting to those of us who tend to enjoy a plot every once in a while. This last episode, backstory or character development not withstanding, doesn't stand up to ANY prior episode of this show. I've just finished re-watching the first season on DVD again, and every episode -- even those with backstory and flashbacks and character development -- is compelling and powerful. This most recent episode was not. Stop trying to dumb down the people who say they didn't like it.

-jim

"This is probably more a reaction to her being female and acting the way she is. If AAA were in charge and barking orders, he'd still be disliked, but not to this extent. Given our society, it's a fairly natural reaction, but not a fair one."

Thanks for trying to think for me, but guess what. It has nothing to do with that at all. She is a horrid actress, plain and simple. She has been horrible in every role she has had.
Her character in LOST comes accross as so phony that its painful to watch.

Really wasn't trying to bait or judge anyone. I said she was annoying the hell out of me too. :-) I'm just not ready to write it off as bad acting or even a bad character, just a character that has been through too much. Time will tell.

Networks do screenings of TV shows all the time and have audiences take surveys to share their thoughts. Strong, bossy, female characters ALWAYS get ripped. Women dislike these types of characters even more than men do, which came as a surprise to me.

People tend to prefer characters like Kate's...even though she's a lying, cheating, stealing, felon. But she does it in an aw shucks, All-American Girl kind of way so people react better to her. Kate is manipulative, instead of barking orders she makes you think it was your idea all along. :-)

My guess is Ana will lighten up once the tribes merge.

for me, it's not her character - it's how she portrays her. i just don't find her believable at all in her role - it has nothing to do with her character being 'strong and bossy'. it has to do with her being a lousy actor. for instance Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction, Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct-- pretty strong women roles, pulled off by actors seasoned in their craft.

Hogwash.

This episiode was nothing like any other earlier episode of this show. What did we learn about Sun and Jin? That Jin had a meaningless job working for the same company of the guy who Sun was "arranged" with? Yawn. We needed a whole hour-long show for that?

I'm all for character development and backstory, but this episode did what one flashback in any prior episode would do. I also don't need instant gratification, but I do tend to watch TV to -- you know -- be entertained. And this most recent episode was just not entertaining.

But maybe I'm just sensitive to this because I've seen other shows that I've really liked go downhill real fast after episodes like this. Pretty soon they're all like this. Anyone remember seargeant Cruz from Third Watch? Can we say Ana Lucia?

If you want to learn about other cultures, why not tune that big ole' HDTV of yours to Discovery HD Theater or INHD? There's constantly shows about other cultures on those channels.

To think that the only reason people didn't like this most recent episode is because they need instant gratification or they're the "ADD MTV generation" is not only closed minded, it's also insulting to those of us who tend to enjoy a plot every once in a while. This last episode, backstory or character development not withstanding, doesn't stand up to ANY prior episode of this show. I've just finished re-watching the first season on DVD again, and every episode -- even those with backstory and flashbacks and character development -- is compelling and powerful. This most recent episode was not. Stop trying to dumb down the people who say they didn't like it.

-jim


What are we learning from these flashbacks? That fate is drawing these people together. And "destiny/fate" is a big theme of this show.

Agreed. I can't believe they devoted a whole episode to Sun losing her wedding ring! They have always used cheap tricks like flashing back to fill up an hour. We'll know the season two writers are Lost when they finally resort to amnesia, long lost illegitmate siblings and other soap opera gadgets. It happened on Alias and 24....it will happen here.

Actually while I was rewatching season 1 dvds, I noticed they already did amnesia once with Claire when she got back from Ethan/Danielle.

We never did find out what happened to her while she was gone...

Cool, I hadn't seen that before. What anagrams did we come up with for Eathan Rom?

Well if you get the letters in the right order, there's a cool little flash movie that starts playing...