I just want to see Sayid go Republican Guard on Ana's ass...

comon people the show ended 49 minutes ago where the hell is the backwards audio file??????????????????????? and where is the enhanced audio of the 'others' whispering??? you guys are slipping.

Any significance that Walt's face was dripping wet? It wasn't raining....

His face is always dripping wet whenever Shannon has one of her visions. Whey Sayid saw him too it was raining so I guess we can't use that to our advantage to find out if it really was Walt.

Think Sayid was thinking something like "Once you go Iraqi, you never go backy" :)

That's rich, baby! (LMAO) How I love political incorrectness!

Any significance that Walt's face was dripping wet? It wasn't raining....

It has been the same each of the other times he 'appeared'. Is he an apparition? Has he drowned? Stay tuned, folks!

swaLUK could be "Close". Maybe "The Others are close". "I am close" seems too short.

swaLUK could be "Close". Maybe "The Others are close". "I am close" seems too short.

Subliminal product placement for LUKOIL!

swaLUK could be "Close". Maybe "The Others are close". "I am close" seems too short.

I'd love to help figure it out, but my brain doesn't work that way. :)

What if Walt came to the beach undetected like the "others" in S1 through the water then ran back into the woods :confused:

Well I set my dvr to record Good Morning American tomorrow morning to see the missing scenes. I hope it's in HD since the show already went HD last week.

Better make a manual adjustment. I wonder though if it will start at the regular time, or earlier (at 8pm eastern).

They said it was going to start at 9 eastern/8 central.

Or it's a 1 hr episode extended by extra commercials :rolleyes:

Really loved the 4 minutes of commercials / 4 minutes of show / 4 minutes of commercials we got about 3/4 into the show. :rolleyes: :mad:


Man, you should be in a TiVo commercial.

Maybe "They're coming close".... that's my last guess, my brain is rebelling because I'm trying to reverse my speech. ;)

Man, you should be in a TiVo commercial.

Yeah, I watch this one live. At least until the HMC comes out, or another $99 HD-Tivo is offered.

Maybe "They're coming close".... that's my last guess, my brain is rebelling because I'm trying to reverse my speech. ;)

The best I could come up with was "I am in close"...which makes no sense :(

Is it possible that Shannon's dad was in the same accident as Jack's wife? Wasn't the guy she hit driving an SUV?

very very interesting... you're probably right, i bet there's a connection there.

I saw him in the hospital while the doctor was talking to Shannon, that's what made me think of it.

Wow! Didn't see Shannon getting shot by the other group of survivors. Congrats to the creators for pulling the wool over my eyes yet again.
I was so close ... I said Shannon was going to die, but I thought from Jack or Sayid. When she ran off and Sayid went chasing w/like 1 min left in the show, I just knew he was gonna pull his gun and mistakenly shoot Shannon. Anna killing her was unexpected for me too. I would have never thought the two groups would have meet up this early.

So I wonder how next week is gonna start. With back of plane breaking off, or will they start with Sayid getting ready to do his "republican guard." (heh-heh ... nice one, whoever said that) I'm guessing the former and this will be like Episode 2 was ... does not advance the present story, but gives us more info of the past.

I think it's going to be Sayid dishing out a little "Howdy Dootie".

Paul

Is it possible that Shannon's dad was in the same accident as Jack's wife? Wasn't the guy she hit driving an SUV?
Yes, same accident.

That was uncovered quite a while ago. When they showed the flashback of the accident the first time, they announced the last name of the man in the accident and people picked up that it was the same as Shannon's last name.

And yes, that was Jack walking by as Shannon was talking to the other doctor.

I think we'll eventually see that all of the survivors are linked in some way or other.

Maybe "They're coming close".... that's my last guess, my brain is rebelling because I'm trying to reverse my speech. ;)

I think I got it! Walt is saying, "I'm coming...they're close." Or something to that effect :)

*Edit* - I still can't figure out what the whispers in the jungle are saying.

Is it possible that Shannon's dad was in the same accident as Jack's wife? Wasn't the guy she hit driving an SUV?
I thought that was covered here already. I don't recall if I read it here or heard it from talking to friends, but in Season 1 when Jack saved his future wife, the man in the accident was named "Rutherford," so it was Shannon's father. Interesting how the doc told them he stopped breathing at the scene of the accident and they never got him breathing again. I thought Jack had a chance to save him, but chose to save Sarah instead.

Good call on Jack in the background, too. I saw that also.

Shannon's step-mom is one ice-cold bitch!

Yes, same accident.

That was uncovered quite a while ago. When they showed the flashback of the accident the first time, they announced the last name of the man in the accident and people picked up that it was the same as Shannon's last name.



I think you're right actually. It's been awhile and there are so many things to try and figure out each week, it's tough to keep up.

I don't necessarily believe that she is dead.. She got shot, but that doesn't mean she isn't going to survive. That other woman is the character who is "Lost Forever"
Yeah, maybe Sawyer can reach his grubby little fingers in and pull the bullet out of her heart.

Ha-ha, just kidding. Shannon's dead. She was shot right in the middle of her chest, presumably in her heart. I doubt she's coming back from that. You saw her support the weight of her head when Sayid was holding her, then it fell back, presummably, because she died. The show will loose credibility if next week they go "Oh, hey look, Shannon's not really dead, she just passed out."

Cindy, on the other hand, may not be "Lost forever" but could come back as an "Other."

Where are some of you getting "Special Extended edition, 1 hr" for next week. The only way they could do that is have no commercials, as it is only slotted for 1 hour.

Maybe it's going to be 1 hour and 5 min. That's technically extended right? :D

Here's the recording played backwards of what Walt said to Shannon in the tent:

http://www.weapons-of-mass-distraction.com/Walt.wav

or

http://elitemrp.net/fark/2005/hesaid.wav

Here's the recording played backwards of what Walt said to Shannon in the tent:

http://www.weapons-of-mass-distraction.com/Walt.wav

or

http://elitemrp.net/fark/2005/hesaid.wav

Ah, you beat me to it. I've been trying to isolate the music and Shanon's scream to make Walt more audible. Those two seem pretty clear:

"They're coming and they're close."

The show will loose credibility if next week they go "Oh, hey look, Shannon's not really dead, she just passed out."No, the show won't lose credibility if Shannon doesn't die. There's plenty of reasons to keep her alive or to string out her death a little longer.

So the lesson from this week's flashback is that Shannon is a little martyr.:rolleyes:

I really liked this episode and wondered a couple of things going forward:

How will the Locke/Claire/baby Aaron/Charlie (and Heroin) play out?

Also, I really noticed the absence of Jack (except the few seconds he appeared in the flashback) and Kate tonight. I'm sure they've been missing from many of the other episodes too, but tonight it just seemed more obvious to me.

Can't wait for next week's extended episode..of course that means more commercials too!

Anna Maria is so freakin annoying! She can't play any other role than the fast and fursious/swat role.
Sure she can. For instance, in Resident Evil she played a bad-ass, gun-toting military chick...oh, wait...nevermind.... :D

~Dan

That's an interesting point. What if it actually was Walt the second time?
And because Sayid saw him too instead of just Shannon.
I still think the "visions" (Walt, Jack's dad, voices in the jungle) are part of the Dharma/Hanso Remote Viewing project...

~Dan

Nooooo! Shannon's too hot to die.

Ok, it looks like a stomach wound... I don't know if Jack can save her from that, with no instruments and no meds. But the writers are leaving a little bit of room for doubt as to which one is "lost forever." I guess it has to be Shannon, because Cindy's just gone, there's no indication that it's "forever."

My LOST is lost!!! WTF! All my saved Lost shows on my DVR, except for last weeks (and tonight's) episode are now gone! Nothing else seems to be gone, except those shows, and my available space jumped up to compensate and confirm that they are now deleted.
Moving over the the DVR threads - grrrrrrrr.
vegggas

Really loved the 4 minutes of commercials / 4 minutes of show / 4 minutes of commercials we got about 3/4 into the show. :rolleyes: :mad:

M2 (if you have it), Beavis & Butthead. Perfect for long commercial breaks. It's also kind of a funny transition between that and Lost.

Good job with those clips jim. These guys really know how to reel us in.

It's easy to imagine someone passing out from a gunshot to the midsection, so it's way to early to conclude that Shannon's dead. Besides, we've still got to see how she ended up in Australia with a guy who abused her.

I found it very curious that Anna was so quick to shoot Shannon but she continued to hold the gun on her with two hands while Sayid ran up to Shannon and took her in his arms. Seems if she wasn't going to empty another round into her she would've dropped the gun. Maybe what she did works but I thought it was odd.

I found it very curious that Anna was so quick to shoot Shannon but she continued to hold the gun on her with two hands while Sayid ran up to Shannon and took her in his arms. Seems if she wasn't going to empty another round into her she would've dropped the gun. Maybe what she did works but I thought it was odd.
Not to mention there was only one bullet in the gun and she used it on Shannon.

My LOST is lost!!! WTF! All my saved Lost shows on my DVR, except for last weeks (and tonight's) episode are now gone! Nothing else seems to be gone, except those shows, and my available space jumped up to compensate and confirm that they are now deleted.
Moving over the the DVR threads - grrrrrrrr.
vegggas
I believe that's what happens if you don't type in the numbers.

I am one or two more crappy episodes away from scrapping this show all together.

marjen, I think your news about Shannon would probably qualify as a spoiler. Probably want to edit that post and post in the spoiler thread.

Just so we don't get into 3 pages of this, I think if it wasn't on the show or the previews, it's a spoiler.

Don't count on Shannon coming back in any way, shape or form. Maggie Grace is off to the big screen. 3 deaths per season should be about the norm, its a jungle out there.

Exactly! Now if only Michael had seen him we wouldn't have to hear him cry about Walt every week.Not quite. Walt also "disappears" soon after, so Michael would still be the cry baby; maybe more so. Sigh!

I dont know what episode some of you guys have been watching, but that was one of the WORST episodes ever. I am not suggesting that we need at least one answer, but the whole Shannon-Sayid story has been a boring distraction from the beginning.

Other than the Walt lines (which thanks to Jim9251, we have completed disecting), NOTHING was added that will keep me thinking about this show for the next few days! I didn't notice any use of "numbers" or any additional "clues" to anything. Yeah, we saw Jack in the hospital, but that is not new.

So what Shannon is dead, she never contributed to the story anyway!

This episode did nothing for me!

I agree that this was probably the weakest episode so far, but I still enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to the tail section story as well. The mysteries of the island can wait.

So the lesson from this week's flashback is that Shannon is a little martyr.:rolleyes:

And a terrible dog walker!

How will the Locke/Claire/baby Aaron/Charlie (and Heroin) play out?

When Locke mentioned Charlie being a heroin addict, I was expecting him to mention the statue. Guess they're saving that for another episode.

"When Locke mentioned Charlie being a heroin addict, I was expecting him to mention the statue. Guess they're saving that for another episode."

Locke saying "oh yeah, recovering" told Charlie as clear as needed that he knows about the statue.

I think the quote we'll be talking about is "Did you see the children?"

Guess not. And again in the preview: "Where are the kids?"

I just want to see Sayid go Republican Guard on Ana's ass...

Have a few associates tie her up and beat her to death for information? Wait they only did that to unarmed folks, I assume you mean turn around and run towards Bagdad when he see's an American or British person with a gun?

because there was only 1 bullet

When Adabisi said "they are close" or something like that the blonde girl Abbey says "did you see the children" or something along those lines.
Does this mean the "others" are children, or the others stole children from the back of the plane like the scientists stole Walt?

Interesting how the doc told them he stopped breathing at the scene of the accident and they never got him breathing again. I thought Jack had a chance to save him, but chose to save Sarah instead.


We noticed that too. The doctor clearly lied in order to avoid the inevitable confrontation when Boone's mother finds out that Jack had a chance to save her husband but chose to save Sarah (and his future wife) instead. There will probably be another shoe dropping from that sometime hence.


I still think the "visions" (Walt, Jack's dad, voices in the jungle) are part of the Dharma/Hanso Remote Viewing project...

I agree. Walt is possibly being held in the Dharma Station where they were doing those experiments and "projecting" himself to Shannon, hoping she'll warn the rest of the lostaways about "the others". But, the fly in that ointment is that Jack's father is dead.... :confused:

I found it very curious that Anna was so quick to shoot Shannon but she continued to hold the gun on her with two hands while Sayid ran up to Shannon and took her in his arms. Seems if she wasn't going to empty another round into her she would've dropped the gun. Maybe what she did works but I thought it was odd.

It certainly looked like she was in shock, realizing she just shot a pretty clean cut looking young girl.

Its almost a stretch even for TV that Anna would take a shot at a young girl running through the woods screaming "WALT"... I mean good lord thats hardly the MO of one of the others!

And a terrible dog walker!

In her defense that dog runs away on everybody. Not well trained!

How can anyone watch this show without Tivo is beyond me I know I wouldn't watch this or many other shows without Tivo.

Maybe when they meet up, all the tailers will be talking backwards and the originals will be speaking forwards. The rest of the season we'll get subtitles. :)

If Walt is being held in one of the Dharma labs, they must be feeding him full of growth hormones. Either that or Malcolm David Kelley has had one hell of a growth spurt since the spring.

Ok, this is not new, but I've read every post in this thread and know I have never seen this before. Its a preview for season 1 and makes no sense at all, but the chicks all look hot in it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2584887319101866590&q=title%3Alost

That must a Europe only promo, because its too strange to fly here in the states.

That preview video was even more confusing than most of the shows. :)

ok, now is everyone sure that Shannon was actually shot? Maybe we were watching two diffrent scenes?

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/1539/screencapsofshannonsdeath2ib.jpg

"When Locke mentioned Charlie being a heroin addict, I was expecting him to mention the statue. Guess they're saving that for another episode."

Locke saying "oh yeah, recovering" told Charlie as clear as needed that he knows about the statue.

Not necessarily, IMO.

Was reading an episode recap on EW.com and the chick there thinks that the blonde chick from the tail section is a plant much like Ethan. She has some good points... She WAS in front of the chick that disappeared and she did say that she was a clinical psychologist like the people from Dharma that ran the labs on the island. Good theory, I think.

ok, now is everyone sure that Shannon was actually shot? Maybe we were watching two diffrent scenes?

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/1539/screencapsofshannonsdeath2ib.jpg
that def doesnt look like a gunshot wound, but what are you getting at with the no sleeves thing?

that def doesnt look like a gunshot wound, but what are you getting at with the no sleeves thing?

i don't know, lol. i just found the pic on another board

i don't know, lol. i just found the pic on another board
the fact that theres no sleeves in both pics means that its probably the SAME scene not different scenes. Either way thers no way that gun would make that kind of hole in her shirt, maybe the others were attacking her and she shot the gun to scare them away, or at them? long shot, but thats not a bullet hole

I agree that this was probably the weakest episode so far

By far the weakest...and getting weaker by the week. Disappointing for me as I was an avid fan. Remember when it was good: the mysterious "security" creature, the polar bear, etc....did the writers forget about this or do they just figure they can't explain it without "jumping the shark". I'm thinking they're hoping their viewers forget about it.

This weeks ep was 35 minutes of zzzzzzzzzzz's, 23 minutes of commercials, and 2 minutes of moderate action when Shannon gets shot. Sad to see how it has deteriorated so badly. Hopefully, it'll pick up a little during sweeps month.

Guess not. And again in the preview: "Where are the kids?"


Also in the preview, you see what looks like 3 sleeping people get pulled away out of the sand. Watched it in slo-mo, and it looks like 2 children and 1 adult, although wasn't sure about the third person.

If Walt is being held in one of the Dharma labs, they must be feeding him full of growth hormones. Either that or Malcolm David Kelley has had one hell of a growth spurt since the spring.

Malcolm is 13 years old. I actually grew one whole foot between 13 and 14. That's an inch or so a month. I don't think they need to feed him growth hormones, he's got enough of his own.

In her defense that dog runs away on everybody. Not well trained!

Yeah, but she had him on a leash --- twice!

Malcolm is 13 years old. I actually grew one whole foot between 13 and 14. That's an inch or so a month. I don't think they need to feed him growth hormones, he's got enough of his own.

I have heard over and over how much Malcolm (Walt) has grown between seasons and how he doesn't fit the role of Walt any longer, but I have seen absolutely no proof. Does anybody have a link or recent photo of Malcolm that shows this supposed growth spurt?

Only 45-48 days have elapsed in island time so an inch and a half taller would be within reason.

It certainly looked like she was in shock, realizing she just shot a pretty clean cut looking young girl.

Its almost a stretch even for TV that Anna would take a shot at a young girl running through the woods screaming "WALT"... I mean good lord thats hardly the MO of one of the others!


Personally, I think it's more probable that Shannon ran calling for Walt and was "attacked" by the others. The gun shot was Anna's attempt to ward off the others attack and try to save Shannon. The end result, however, was not good. Shannon was slashed by the others and all of them are in shock from the attack and seeing Shannon's serious injury -- which is certainly not a single gun shot wound, but a 10 inch or so slash.

Could Shannon have been shot in the back? It could explain why the wound was so large in the front, if it was a from a powerful gun (like what the Dharma guy kept stocked).

I am suspicious of the position Anna had with her gun. It looks like she was ready to shoot and not already shot it.

There was that strange camera shot with Sayid and Shannon where it looked like someone was spying on them from the bushes or under a log.

There was that strange camera shot with Sayid and Shannon where it looked like someone was spying on them from the bushes or under a log.


I noticed that as well...seemed odd.

To add another branch to the fire....In the no sleeves pics, the left pic shows her holding the gun as a righty (trigger finger is on the right hand). In the pic on the right, the gun is resting in her left hand at her side. That requires her to deliberately transfer the gun to her less dominant hand. And why would you do that if you know you could need it at any time?

Think about holding a gun...would you ever have it in your non dominant hand? I can't even operate scissors in my oppo hand....

There was that strange camera shot with Sayid and Shannon where it looked like someone was spying on them from the bushes or under a log.


I don't remember this shot, anyone have a capture?

I liked this ep and thought it showed shades of older LOST eps.

Is Shannon really dead? What about Cindy, she is MIA.

Walts saying "They're coming and they are close" Did he mean the tailies and rafters or the "Others"?

I think the gun in the left hand was to make it visible while she is just in the frame.

Looking forward to Sayid opening a can of whoop a$$ on Anna!

Wow - conspiracies abound! I don't recall any visible wound on her back. And the slide is back on the gun in Anna's hand. I think that means it's empty, which probably means it was just fired.

But that camera shot from the trees was interesting...

And Dynot, this IS sweeps month. :)

i have to agree that this episode was zzzz for at least 40 minutes...

and it looks like we start with the tail section, from the beginning, next week. There's goes another season. Then, I guess they'll introduce the others and then do their story for one more season. Oh dear...

Could Shannon have been shot in the back? It could explain why the wound was so large in the front, if it was a from a powerful gun (like what the Dharma guy kept stocked).



It appears unlikely to me that Shannon was shot in the back. 1) There was no obvious injury (blood) on her back. 2) Shannon was heading toward them not away from them. 3) Anna would have to be really stupid to shoot an unarmed woman (who was obviously NOT an "other") in the back running away from her. 4) The injury in the front was a long "cut like" injury, not a round exit injury as would be expected from a gun shot.

Unless the writers and the make-up artists were sloppy, the injury just doesn't seem consistent with a gun shot. Since they are usually so concerned with small details in this show, it just appears to me that the injury is a clue that not all is what it appears to be.

The slide back means that her last (and only) round was fired.

Walts saying "They're coming and they are close" Did he mean the tailies and rafters or the "Others"?



It is obvious that Walt is trying to help them. He is warning them about the "others" it appears. Because they can't understand him, however, it is actually making things worse, not better.

My first reaction to Walt is that he is dead. He was captured by the "others" and then jumped in the water to escape and drowned. That is why he always appears soaking wet. His spirit is trying to warn them about the others.

It doesn't make a lot of sense that he is WITH the others or ONE OF the others and, at the same time, appearing to warn them about the others.

But things are not always as they appear and not always obvious, so I guess there are many possibilities.

I could have sworn I heard "Oceanic" in the whispers this time. Maybe when they were at the top of the embankment?

It is obvious that Walt is trying to help them.

But things are not always as they appear and not always obvious,
so I guess there are many possibilities.

Contradict your self much? :rolleyes:

I know what you are saying, just giving you a hard time. ;)

I could have sworn I heard "Oceanic" in the whispers this time. Maybe when they were at the top of the embankment?


"Thank you for flying Oceanic, tell a friend."

Yup the show was only good for about 2 minutes this week, they're still declining, probably cause they dont worry about losing folks and are swimming in the money.

Way too many commercials, play on love stories and friggin flashbacks.

Now, did anyone record GMA to see the "secret scene" they promo'd last night, and was it HD?

I liked last night's episode. I know some people are tired of the backstories, but I like them and think they'll play an important role down the road.

I think Walt is with the others, but he was secretly trying to help Shannon avoid them.

I like the backstories - if they get back to the quality of the first season. There have been very few real revelations or complexity this year. Most have only been unnecessary filler with immediate references to real-time. Jin/Sun offered no real insight (that we didn't already know) and neither did Shannon's - and she's dead now, so what's the point?

I'm actually looking forward to next week - we should learn quite a bit.

I liked last night's episode. I know some people are tired of the backstories, but I like them and think they'll play an important role down the road.

I think Walt is with the others, but he was secretly trying to help Shannon avoid them.


And instead he drove her right into them. Thanks pal! Walt is a pain in the *ss, even from beyond the grave!!! :-)

i have to agree that this episode was zzzz for at least 40 minutes...

and it looks like we start with the tail section, from the beginning, next week. There's goes another season. Then, I guess they'll introduce the others and then do their story for one more season. Oh dear...

No kidding. They have enough characters & sub-sub-subplots to keep this show afloat for decades. Last night was the first time I started losing interest, until they showed the preview for next week's episode. If they concentrate on the tail section survivors for the rest of the season, which would be doubtful, I think they will lose many viewers.

Contradict your self much? :rolleyes:

I know what you are saying, just giving you a hard time. ;)

LOL. Yeah. . . What I was trying to say was. . . . The writers often twist the obvious to something unusual and extraordinary.

Yup the show was only good for about 2 minutes this week, they're still declining, probably cause they dont worry about losing folks and are swimming in the money.

Way too many commercials, play on love stories and friggin flashbacks.

Now, did anyone record GMA to see the "secret scene" they promo'd last night, and was it HD?


Watched it live. Don't recall if it was in HD. It was a flashback scene w/Shannon and her mom at the mom's house after what looks like the wake. Weight of the death on both of them and how they both loved him. But then the mom says "So when are you leaving". i.e. we're done now so split. Cold.

Well, regardless of HOW shannon was injured, I do believe she is dead. The writers passed the Walt visions on to Sayid, so they can continue going with that part of the storyline.

Hopefully the first few mins of next week explains a little of what exactly happened before we go to the story of the tail section survivors.

TZ

I like the backstories - if they get back to the quality of the first season. There have been very few real revelations or complexity this year. Most have only been unnecessary filler with immediate references to real-time. Jin/Sun offered no real insight (that we didn't already know) and neither did Shannon's - and she's dead now, so what's the point?

I'm actually looking forward to next week - we should learn quite a bit.

I think the point was to show why she had such a drive to prove herself. Without the backstory a viewer may have wondered why Shannon felt it was so important she go off and find Walt on her own. With it, you see from the death of her father and her step mother's treatment, that she got an air of independance, to where she would prove everyone wrong.

I liked the episode, and the backstories. Wasn't bored a bit.

The Shannon backstory really helps explain her ralationship with Boone, from the money angle. The scenes were interesting and well written...but, I guess, because they weren't on the island, and weren't divulging some great mystery, people get impatient. That's fine. Watch something else.

I also think there's a big rift coming between Claire and Charley. Claire is already showing signs of distrust and possibly a little resentment? Her "we're not married" line was telling. I think she'll find the heroin and flip out, banning Charlie from getting near her baby. Charlie will try to explain, but will only make it worse.

If AL fired her one and only shot, why does she still have the gun drawn?

I think the point was to show why she had such a drive to prove herself. Without the backstory a viewer may have wondered why Shannon felt it was so important she go off and find Walt on her own. With it, you see from the death of her father and her step mother's treatment, that she got an air of independance, to where she would prove everyone wrong.

That's obviously what they are showing - my point is it only has relevence to what immediately happened in real-time. No long-term significance (especially now that she's dead) and it really wasn't necessary since anybody, regardless of their past could act in a similar manner after seeing Walt and nobody believing them.

If AL fired her one and only shot, why does she still have the gun drawn?

Instinct. The chamber's open, so you can tell she definitely fired that last round.

That's obviously what they are showing - my point is it only has relevence to what immediately happened in real-time. No long-term significance (especially now that she's dead) and it really wasn't necessary since anybody, regardless of their past could act in a similar manner after seeing Walt and nobody believing them.

I think though we'll see her and Boone again.

Also, maybe it will eventually tie into Jack some, since he did agree to care for his future wife over her father.

Watched it live. Don't recall if it was in HD. It was a flashback scene w/Shannon and her mom at the mom's house after what looks like the wake. Weight of the death on both of them and how they both loved him. But then the mom says "So when are you leaving". i.e. we're done now so split. Cold.

It was in HD, fwiw, but nothing remarkable. Although some have complained about the backstory, it helped me understand another piece of why Shannon turned so bitter and resentful by the time we met her.

No kidding. They have enough characters & sub-sub-subplots to keep this show afloat for decades. Last night was the first time I started losing interest, until they showed the preview for next week's episode. If they concentrate on the tail section survivors for the rest of the season, which would be doubtful, I think they will lose many viewers.


Yes, I think they are streching things too thinly. It appears with their success in season one, they are trying to expand the series for several more years and, in doing so, adding a lot of fluff. Last season, for the most part, was much more action filled and engaging. This season has a lot of soap opera and a little action. Although I'm still quite interested, I enjoy other shows (such as Prison Break) a little more.

Has anyone isolated what the whispers in the jungle were?

I also think there's a big rift coming between Claire and Charley. Claire is already showing signs of distrust and possibly a little resentment? Her "we're not married" line was telling. I think she'll find the heroin and flip out, banning Charlie from getting near her baby. Charlie will try to explain, but will only make it worse.


Great! I just can't wait to hear Claire scream and cry again.

Well, regardless of HOW shannon was injured, I do believe she is dead. The writers passed the Walt visions on to Sayid, so they can continue going with that part of the storyline.

Hopefully the first few mins of next week explains a little of what exactly happened before we go to the story of the tail section survivors.

TZ

From a story telling point of view, it may go this way:

First Sayid will lose it and have to be controlled by Michael and Jin.
They'll notice it was a blade wound, not a gunshot wound (hopefully)
They'll rush Sawyer to Jack
Rose and her husband will reunite and THEN
They finally sit down Ana and Eko et al to tell their story.

My BAYYYY BEEEEE

Early in season one, when it was discovered Shannon understood french, she said something about taking care of some french children

In the dance studio, when talking with her roomate about the father hitting on the roomate, she mocked him in a french accent saying he asked her to be an au pair to take care of his kids.

Could that be the kids Shannon ends up taking care of?

I didn't realize that the death blow Shannon received was still up for debate. However, with that being said and with the theories being discussed as to the wound....(devil's advocate) correct me if i'm wrong, wasn't Sawyer and/or other tail section people carrying machete type swords, which would certainly make that wound more consistent and believable. I have no idea if the gun went off(sound of a shot), I lost my OTA signal right at the point she was running and regained it when Sayid was holding her. Just a thought.....

Here in Boston ABC didn't even show the preview for next week it cut right into Invasion :mad: and I think I lost like about where they show the tree shot with Sayid and Sharron in his arms. Oh well there will be plenty of repeats after Thanksgiving to rerecord again.

She could have shot at one of the Others after they stabbed Shannon and took off.

That's obviously what they are showing - my point is it only has relevence to what immediately happened in real-time. No long-term significance (especially now that she's dead) and it really wasn't necessary since anybody, regardless of their past could act in a similar manner after seeing Walt and nobody believing them.

I think Shannon is dead. And this episode was dedicated to her for that reason. At the end she got someone, finally to believe in her. With that fulfillment, her life ended, that was point of the backstory.

And I liked the episode for other reasons too. The entire episode pointed to the final scene. The scene with Anna telling Michael about why they needed to be quiet most importantly, she mentions the gun with one bullet, noise brings the others, the hint of what happened to everyone else ( a preview of the preview so to speak). When Walt was using his finger to tell them "shhh" that was a reference to that earlier scene so it brought the gun with one bullet to mind.

All of the scenes leading up to that showed the two groups getting closer together. When Sayid and Shannon were walking in and area with tall grass like plants, so was the other group. Both groups were in the jungle together. Thunder and rain occurred at the same time in both groups, so you know they were close and getting closer.

As soon as I heard the gunshot I knew who was shot and by whom.

However, it may be the case that Shannon was attacked by somone or something else, and that Anna shot that other something or someone instead of Shannon, I guess we will see.

All in all I thought it was one of the better written more tightly structured episodes, it was nearly completely self contained.

I am one or two more crappy episodes away from scrapping this show all together.
Scrap it now, so we don't have to listen to you whine. :rolleyes:

I like:

Walt: Shhhhhhh
Shannon: Walt! Walt! Walt!!!!!!!!!!!
Walt: Shhhhhhh, they are coming closer...
Shannon: Walt! Walt Walt!!!!
Sayed: Come here, be quiet..
Shannon: running off Walt!! Walt! Walt!

Bang!

Sayed: Why don't women listen?

Early in season one, when it was discovered Shannon understood french, she said something about taking care of some french children

In the dance studio, when talking with her roomate about the father hitting on the roomate, she mocked him in a french accent saying he asked her to be an au pair to take care of his kids.

Could that be the kids Shannon ends up taking care of?

I think this is probably correct. When Shannon realizes that she needs to earn money on her own, she volunteers to be the "au pair" to the Frenchman and his kids. While there, she may have been forced (or expected) to provide some "extra" services to the father, which would just make her even more bitter.

I am suspicious of the position Anna had with her gun. It looks like she was ready to shoot and not already shot it.
No, the slide on Ana-Lucia's Beretta was locked back, indicating no more bang-bang...

~Dan

back in season one when boone hallucinates shannon dead, what was she wearing anyone remember?

Now, did anyone record GMA to see the "secret scene" they promo'd last night, and was it HD?

I did, but the cable guy came this morning and replaced my box, so it's gone before I had a chance to watch it.

If AL fired her one and only shot, why does she still have the gun drawn?
Because she hasn't put it away yet?

I did, but the cable guy came this morning and replaced my box, so it's gone before I had a chance to watch it.

Uh, thanks for sharing that. :rolleyes:

back in season one when boone hallucinates shannon dead, what was she wearing anyone remember?

Different outfits.

Season 1 Outfit: http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=167&pos=618

Season 2 Outfit: http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=775&pos=641

From today:By far the weakest...and getting weaker by the week. Disappointing for me as I was an avid fan. Remember when it was good: the mysterious "security" creature, the polar bear, etc....did the writers forget about this or do they just figure they can't explain it without "jumping the shark". I'm thinking they're hoping their viewers forget about it.

This weeks ep was 35 minutes of zzzzzzzzzzz's, 23 minutes of commercials, and 2 minutes of moderate action when Shannon gets shot. Sad to see how it has deteriorated so badly. Hopefully, it'll pick up a little during sweeps month.And from almost a year ago (12/2/04):Enough with the character development and let's get some action in there! Not that I don't think character development is important but you can't sustain an audience week to week with it.

At first the show had a fascinating approach intermixing character development with action plots. Lately it seems that things have slowed down considerably in the interest of getting us to know the characters better. And the action you see in the previews usually occur only in the last few minutes of the episode.

I hate to admit it but my enthusiasim for the next episode is declining a little each week. I hope I'm wrong since I am a great fan of the show.

Come on ABC, don't drop the ball on this one! So I guess you were really only a fan of the first few episodes of the show, but your masochistic tendencies keep you sticking around? This could be dangerous. I can just see the headlines three years from now:

LOST "fan" flips out and shoots JJ Abrams in his home after stalking him for weeks - Attributes his rage to frustration over multiple seasons of "Too many unanswered questions, not enough action and too much character development" ;)


ron

Why did Walt show up every time Sayid and Shannon demonstrated their love for each other? I don't think it was an cooincidence at all. Walt has shown to be a dangerous kid when he doesn't like the situation. He definitely is one of those characters that is likeable - but does bad things. The island seems to be full of those types. ;)

I'm unclear on whether the preview for next week's episode means that just that episode will tell the story of the tail-section survivors from the beginning, or if the producers are actually "rebooting" the show and the rest of the season will retell the story from the other side of the island's perspective. My wife thinks the latter, and it does seem like a very J.J. Abrams thing to do, but I expect it will just be one episode. Some time back I caught an interview with Matthew Fox in which he said he was on a break from filming because the producers were shooting an episode without any of the main cast. I assume this is what he was talking about.

I'm not convinced that Sayid saw Walt when Shannon did. The way the scene was edited cut back and forth and in some shots there was no one standing there. I think he just said that he saw Walt to humor Shannon, because she was obviously distraught.

Here in Boston ABC didn't even show the preview for next week it cut right into Invasion :mad: and I think I lost like about where they show the tree shot with Sayid and Sharron in his arms. Oh well there will be plenty of repeats after Thanksgiving to rerecord again.

I was watching on WCVB and they certainly did show the entire episode and the preview for next week before cutting to Invasion. Did you leave the room or something?

I'm unclear on whether the preview for next week's episode means that just that episode will tell the story of the tail-section survivors from the beginning, or if the producers are actually "rebooting" the show and the rest of the season will retell the story from the other side of the island's perspective. My wife thinks the latter, and it does seem like a very J.J. Abrams thing to do, but
I got the same impression, but with this show it's often impossible to tell what direction they'll take. I'm not sure they would take that chance though during sweeps month, it would be like a new show with different characters. Personally, I wouldn't mind if they did do that, show 4-5 eps of what happened to the tailers and then bring it up to date to when Shannon gets shot.

I also got the impression that Sayid did see Walt.

I'm unclear on whether the preview for next week's episode means that just that episode will tell the story of the tail-section survivors from the beginning, or if the producers are actually "rebooting" the show and the rest of the season will retell the story from the other side of the island's perspective. My wife thinks the latter, and it does seem like a very J.J. Abrams thing to do, but I expect it will just be one episode. Some time back I caught an interview with Matthew Fox in which he said he was on a break from filming because the producers were shooting an episode without any of the main cast. I assume this is what he was talking about.

I'm not convinced that Sayid saw Walt when Shannon did. The way the scene was edited cut back and forth and in some shots there was no one standing there. I think he just said that he saw Walt to humor Shannon, because she was obviously distraught.Based on next week's title, "The other 48 days", it would appear to be a single "catch up" ep covering the tail section story up to the present. So the question is, will they keep everyone completely hanging for two weeks before addressing the Shannon "shooting" at all? I'm guessing YES. And you can be sure that will really piss off a few people we all know and love :D.


ron

I'm not convinced that Sayid saw Walt when Shannon did. The way the scene was edited cut back and forth and in some shots there was no one standing there. I think he just said that he saw Walt to humor Shannon, because she was obviously distraught.


I totally agree with you here. When she turned back and he looked Walt wasn't there. She turned and looked and looked and he was...Sayid also had a weird look on his face, like what are you talking about looney blonde!

I also got the impression that Sayid did see Walt.

Yes, I think that was pretty clear. There was a look of astonishment on his face as he nodded affirmatively and he was looking in exactly the same direction that Shannon was. Sayid saw him, all right.

C'mon guys - people don't die that fast from the kind of wound that Shannon had. The scene was in pretty close to real time and it didn't even last a minute. The wound sure didn't look like it was from a bullet, but many directors like to make a lot of blood appear instantly in an unnatural manner. Maybe they don't figure that so many of us will replay the scene over and over in HD slo-mo. Even though she could be dead, there's no conclusive evidence that she is.

Also, I don't think AL would've held the gun at Shannon and Sayid for as long was conveyed, but the producers didn't want to break up the moment with Sayid holding Shannon and yet they still wanted to reveal to us that it was AL who had shot in that direction, so she had to hold the gun a little longer than natural.

I loved the backstory and could easily see how Shannon's character was a product of an affluent childhood that instantly changed into her having to fend for herself without the same preparation that most working class folk have. That's how she ended up in an abusive relationship in Australia that she felt so helpless to get out of.

I got the same impression, but with this show it's often impossible to tell what direction they'll take. I'm not sure they would take that chance though during sweeps month, it would be like a new show with different characters. Personally, I wouldn't mind if they did do that, show 4-5 eps of what happened to the tailers and then bring it up to date to when Shannon gets shot.

I also got the impression that Sayid did see Walt.

He definitely saw Walt, he saw him before she did. And he nodded when she asked him if she saw him. That is what froze him and caused him to lag behind Shannon (probably a good thing for him, bad for shannon :-)

...I'm not convinced that Sayid saw Walt when Shannon did. The way the scene was edited cut back and forth and in some shots there was no one standing there. I think he just said that he saw Walt to humor Shannon, because she was obviously distraught.He did say "yes" in response to her question, and I think the way the camera from Walt's perspective showed both of them was supposed to indicate to us that both of them saw him. Often, that camera angle is shown with only the person "in the know" being visible to indicate that they are the only one who "sees".

Originally Posted by Dynot

By far the weakest...and getting weaker by the week. Disappointing for me as I was an avid fan. Remember when it was good: the mysterious "security" creature, the polar bear, etc....did the writers forget about this or do they just figure they can't explain it without "jumping the shark". I'm thinking they're hoping their viewers forget about it.

This weeks ep was 35 minutes of zzzzzzzzzzz's, 23 minutes of commercials, and 2 minutes of moderate action when Shannon gets shot. Sad to see how it has deteriorated so badly. Hopefully, it'll pick up a little during sweeps month.



This quote above... I couldn't agree with more. Although it applies to old episodes, I think Lost is just getting, well, more and more lost. They have waaaay too many storylines going now, almost none of which are ever resolved. They leave too many unanswered questions in every single show, and there is less and less action. It's becoming a distant memory now, but the first few episodes had life and death action in them. Now it's more backstories I have very little interest in. For some reason, I keep tuning in to see if they change their formula, but I am definitely nearing my threshold now. One of the reasons I saw the first whole season was because I watched it on the DVD release. Now that I'm haveing to wait through the abundance of commercials and at least a week between episodes, I'm really starting to lose interest. Why is it so hard for them to resolve some issues and maybe start some new ones. Maybe an asteroid strike? Or maybe they can reassemble the plane and fly off the island. At first the mystery and intrigue were quite captivating, but now that the same mystery and intrigue has hardly been addressed after so many episodes it's getting frustrating.

Oh, another thing I think is hurting the show besides the overabundance of parallel storylines is that with the format (i.e. commercials, promos, etc) they never tell more than 8 or 10 minutes of the story at a time. It's hacked up beyond belief. If you ever see a sequence that actually captures your interest, you can rest assured you won't see the resolution or revisitation of that plot line for at the very least a number of commercial breaks, and at the most, many, many episodes later, if ever.

After all that complaining, I'm still sitting there watching it.

I'm unclear on whether the preview for next week's episode means that just that episode will tell the story of the tail-section survivors from the beginning, or if the producers are actually "rebooting" the show and the rest of the season will retell the story from the other side of the island's perspective. My wife thinks the latter, and it does seem like a very J.J. Abrams thing to do, but I expect it will just be one episode. Some time back I caught an interview with Matthew Fox in which he said he was on a break from filming because the producers were shooting an episode without any of the main cast. I assume this is what he was talking about.

I'm not convinced that Sayid saw Walt when Shannon did. The way the scene was edited cut back and forth and in some shots there was no one standing there. I think he just said that he saw Walt to humor Shannon, because she was obviously distraught.

Promotional pictures for the episode AFTER next weeks shows the old cast, in some scenes with the new survivors.

I think next week is just a recap of what happened ot the tail survivors, and just what it is they are dealing with.

How can anyone watch this show without Tivo is beyond me I know I wouldn't watch this or many other shows without Tivo.

I don't watch enough TV shows to need one.

My theory is Jack will be faced with another "either/or" emergency situation, this time involving the daughter of the man he chose to let die, and Sawyer.

Glad we're getting to see the tail section perspective of the crash- who knows, we may get a closer look at the others.

My theory is Jack will be faced with another "either/or" emergency situation, this time involving the daughter of the man he chose to let die, and Sawyer.

Glad we're getting to see the tail section perspective of the crash- who knows, we may get a closer look at the others.

Yeah I agree with you, and he will choose Sawyer because a gunshot wound to the shoulder is more likely to heal than one to the gut...if it was a gunshot that is ;)

C'mon guys - people don't die that fast from the kind of wound that Shannon had.
When's the last time any character in a television show or movie died the way someone would in real life?

~Dan

When's the last time any character in a television show or movie died the way someone would in real life?

~Dan

Saving Private Ryan?

My theory is Jack will be faced with another "either/or" emergency situation, this time involving the daughter of the man he chose to let die, and Sawyer.

Glad we're getting to see the tail section perspective of the crash- who knows, we may get a closer look at the others.


Now that would be interesting. Another choice for Jack. Who's most dead and who can he save. Last time he went for the chick over the old guy. His rival or a ditz?

When's the last time any character in a television show or movie died the way someone would in real life?
Saving Private Ryan?
Ok...but you didn't name the character! :D

~Dan

How can anyone watch this show without Tivo is beyond me I know I wouldn't watch this or many other shows without Tivo.
I don't watch enough TV shows to need one.A DVR isn't just so you can watch more shows, it's so you can watch them when you want to. If you want to keep up with LOST without one, you need to be in a chair at the mercy of the TV at 9/8 Central every (OK, almost every) Wednesday evening. With a DVR you can be anywhere you want to be at that time and then watch it whenever it might be more convenient. Of course, then you'll be tempted to fast-forward through some commercials and you might not want to miss those. :D I guess it's just a matter of how much freedom you want.

C'mon guys - people don't die that fast from the kind of wound that Shannon had.When's the last time any character in a television show or movie died the way someone would in real life?

~DanJust one example. In 24, dying is played out much more realistically than on many shows. Often, apparently fatal wounds (Jack) don't even result in death. But in every case, the threshold between life and death is significant.

I guess it's just a matter of how much freedom you want.

I didn't get a DVR until a couple months ago. If I missed something when it aired, I would just download it the next day and watch it whenever I feel like. My computer hd has more space than my dvr too ;)

I didn't get a DVR until a couple months ago. If I missed something when it aired, I would just download it the next day and watch it whenever I feel like. My computer hd has more space than my dvr too ;)

I've had a DVR since 2000 (replaytv, then a cable HD DVR)

I really can't say enough positive things about having one, it just opens up choices for you. Downloading is one option, but even on my work DS3 it takes longer than the show length to download an episode. Then there is image quality to consider. Watching a downloaded copy of LOST at 320X200 in stereo pales in comparison to 720p HD and Dolby Digital.

If you have Comcast, I'd suggest getting one of their dual tuner HD DVRs. I just got 2 and my life is so much easier now that I don't have to choose between shows. I just record them in HD and watch them at my leisure.

yeah, thats why i waited so long because they didn't have the HD dvr from my provider yet. I have roadrunner and it takes maybe 5 minutes to d/l a torrent of an hd rip of Lost :shrug:

...you need to be in a chair at the mercy of the TV at 9/8 Central every (OK, almost every) Wednesday evening.

Ah....................memories!

Torrent discussion isn't allowed on AVS. Let's stick to the topic.

If you have Comcast, I'd suggest getting one of their dual tuner HD DVRs. I just got 2 and my life is so much easier now that I don't have to choose between shows. I just record them in HD and watch them at my leisure.

I just got mine as well, and I'm LOVIN' it. Worth the wait.

I took Lost out of my must see tv rotation a few epsiodes back. I cant sit and watch a show where they basically use each weeks show to pass along a minutes worth of information while surrounding it with useless plotline. I can just come here and read that one sentence (usually the first post after it finishes airing) about the main plotline, before people start posting those threads over analyzing all that other useless fluff.

I've got an old JVC SVHS VCR for most stuff I'd tape if needed (like Simpsons), but for something like Lost if I need to timeshift I've got an AG-1980 edit deck so I'm covered. It's not HD but still pretty nice.

Spoilers can be posted here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=517981

any spoiler discussion or discussion of any info not from the show or the preview for next week belongs there.

For those of you that need the info for recording purposes, the 'bonus' episode next week will run from 9 'til 10:05: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/listings.cgi?id=20051110abc03

How much of the extra 5 minutes will be dedicated to commercials? ;)

For those of you that need the info for recording purposes, the 'bonus' episode next week will run from 9 'til 10:05: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/listings.cgi?id=20051110abc03

How much of the extra 5 minutes will be dedicated to commercials? ;)

1 30 sec, or 2 15 sec. Commercials will be added to pay for that xtra 4.5 min of show! :D

Since there is only about 40 minutes of actual show now, keeping to that ratio would indicate ABC is going to place 1:30 or even a little more of commercials (and promos) in the extra five minutes.

I thought some earlier previews shows Ana Lucia and Sawyer on friendlier terms. It sure doesn't seem to be happening yet. I also thought it was pretty funny that AL makes like she's in charge, but she definitely defers to the much quieter, bodyguard-like, Mr. Eko.

Did anybody else think for a moment that the ravine where AL's group "lost" Cindy looked very much like the one where Jack first ran into Ethan? I doubt if it was intended to be the same place, but it sure looked similar.

Does anybody know if the way Shannon's stepmom handled her father's inheritance would hold up in a court of law? Being that her father must've been the only one keeping the stepmom from screwing her over while he was living, it seemed really far-fetched to me that he wouldn't have made sure Shannon was taken care of in the event of his passing. Leaving the stepmom in full control couldn't have seemed like a good idea.

1 30 sec, or 2 15 sec. Commercials will be added to pay for that xtra 4.5 min of show! :DAnd worth every penny! :p

Does anybody know if the way Shannon's stepmom handled her father's inheritance would hold up in a court of law? Being that her father must've been the only one keeping the stepmom from screwing her over while he was living, it seemed really far-fetched to me that he wouldn't have made sure Shannon was taken care of in the event of his passing. Leaving the stepmom in full control couldn't have seemed like a good idea.

We'll probably come to find out that indeed her stepmom was conning her about the will and she fell for it --- she isn't too bright, after all.

I took Lost out of my must see tv rotation a few epsiodes back. I cant sit and watch a show where they basically use each weeks show to pass along a minutes worth of information while surrounding it with useless plotline. I can just come here and read that one sentence (usually the first post after it finishes airing) about the main plotline, before people start posting those threads over analyzing all that other useless fluff.Partypooper.

Last night's ep was pretty good (IMO). I felt both parties were gonna meet up when everyone went running through the jungle, but I thought Shannon was going to be abducted only. Poor girl....she got the cold shoulder from everyone she knew.

BTW, did not the dog lead them to Walt? I say he was really there.

I hear people say this -- what does it mean exactly? That you record it and watch it later w/out commercials? Like a VCR? Really, I don't know.

Yes. Fast forward through commercials in a second or two. Rewind to see things you miss. Slow mo/stop action for things you want to see in more detail.

www.tivo.com

We have 6 Tivo units and rarely watch anything live. For a show like Lost, wait until about 15-20 min after the start. Then you can watch, skip the commercials and come out about even at the end.

Tivo is like broadband Internet. Once you get it, you wonder how you did without it before...

Ed

Ok, this is not new, but I've read every post in this thread and know I have never seen this before. Its a preview for season 1 and makes no sense at all, but the chicks all look hot in it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2584887319101866590&q=title%3Alost

This is awesome. Thanks for sharing it.

How can anyone watch this show without Tivo is beyond me I know I wouldn't watch this or many other shows without Tivo.

Using my ReplayTV, I watch Lost on a 15 minute delay...so I can skip over the commercials and boring flashbacks.

I don't watch enough TV in the theater to justify an HD-Tivo. This show was made for big screen viewing - so I'm stuck watching live.

From today:

Originally Posted by Dynot
By far the weakest...and getting weaker by the week. Disappointing for me as I was an avid fan. Remember when it was good: the mysterious "security" creature, the polar bear, etc....did the writers forget about this or do they just figure they can't explain it without "jumping the shark". I'm thinking they're hoping their viewers forget about it.

This weeks ep was 35 minutes of zzzzzzzzzzz's, 23 minutes of commercials, and 2 minutes of moderate action when Shannon gets shot. Sad to see how it has deteriorated so badly. Hopefully, it'll pick up a little during sweeps month.

And from almost a year ago (12/2/04):

Enough with the character development and let's get some action in there! Not that I don't think character development is important but you can't sustain an audience week to week with it.

At first the show had a fascinating approach intermixing character development with action plots. Lately it seems that things have slowed down considerably in the interest of getting us to know the characters better. And the action you see in the previews usually occur only in the last few minutes of the episode.

I hate to admit it but my enthusiasim for the next episode is declining a little each week. I hope I'm wrong since I am a great fan of the show.

Come on ABC, don't drop the ball on this one!


So I guess you were really only a fan of the first few episodes of the show, but your masochistic tendencies keep you sticking around? This could be dangerous. I can just see the headlines three years from now:

LOST "fan" flips out and shoots JJ Abrams in his home after stalking him for weeks - Attributes his rage to frustration over multiple seasons of "Too many unanswered questions, not enough action and too much character development" ;)


ron

:D LMAOROTF......... :D

But I'm hangin' in there and refuse to give up! Don't think I'll get to the point of shooting JJ as I've found my therapy with Prison Break which keeps me going week to week.

I am impressed though that you took the time to research my previous posts.

Say....you're not one of those weirdos who stalks people are you??? :eek:

I am impressed though that you took the time to research my previous posts.

Say....you're not one of those weirdos who stalks people are you??? :eek:


I found all 47 of your posts in this thread in under 10 seconds. Does this rate you being impressed even more? :)

I found all 47 of your posts in this thread in under 10 seconds. Does this rate you being impressed even more? :)

Not unless you actually read every one of them. ;)

As of today, who are your most and least liked characters?

Most Liked: John Locke
Least Liked: Ana Lucia

As of today, who are your most and least liked characters?

Most Liked: John Locke/Hurley
Least Liked: Ana Lucia

As of today, who are your most and least liked characters?

Most Liked: John Locke
Least Liked: Ana Lucia

Most Liked: Sayid
Least Liked: Michael

Moving up on Most: Mr. Eko
Moving up on Least: Ana Lucia

Never to be underestimated for comic relief: Hurley

As of today, who are your most and least liked characters?

Most Liked: Sawyer
Least Liked: Sawyer/Michael

As of today, who are your most and least liked characters?


Most Liked: Locke
Least Liked: Claire when screaming "MY BAAAAAYYYYBAY"/Michael when whining "My Boy"

Is it my imagination or is there much less emphasis on Kate this season?

- Tom

As of today, who are your most and least liked characters?


Most liked: Locke > Hurley > Jack

Least Liked: Claire > Charlie > & the new chick who won't last long IMHO

Is it my imagination or is there much less emphasis on Kate this season?

- TomI bet that will change. ;)

Most liked: Locke > Hurley > Jack

Least Liked: Claire > Charlie > & the new chick who won't last long IMHOI'm kind of liking this new character... imagining what the survivors from the tail section of flight 815 have endured on the other side of the Island... explains her rather intense/paranoid behavior. Her back-stories should be interesting, and just think about the possibilities with a 4-way going between: Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Ana Lucia. :)

BTW... during Wednesday’s episode I kept wondering... where is Jack? Is he in the bunker entering the code: 4 8 15 16 23 42 and depressing the 'enter' key every 108 minutes? Oh man, he's just got to love doing that! I kept waiting for the Island to "explode!" :eek:

As of today, who are your most and least liked characters?

Most Liked: John Locke
Least Liked: Ana Lucia



Most Liked: Sawyer/John Locke
Least Liked: Ana Lucia

Is it my imagination or is there much less emphasis on Kate this season?

- Tom

Who???

Maybe she's waiting in the shower in the hatch for Jack to walk by again.

Man, poor Sayid. He can't catch a break :). Then again, at least he got some on the island. The gun Anna had is the one with 1 bullet, right? Guessing from the way he was getting up, I'm betting he's going to go try and kill her with his bare hands. I kind of hope he succeeds.

As for next week, we all knew it was coming. Now we get to be subjected to god knows how many episodes of the other half of the plane. I'm praying it's no more than 2 weeks tops. As for Shannon, I was starting to like her a whole lot more. Pity. Man, was her stepmom a serious bitch or what?

Any conjecture about the motive of the "others" for taking away so many members of the 'tailers'? Is it because they taste good when barbecued? Do the scientists need more test subjects? Or...?

Oh, and still waiting for an appearance by the 'security system'. I miss it!

Any conjecture about the motive of the "others" for taking away so many members of the 'tailers'? Is it because they taste good when barbecued? Do the scientists need more test subjects? Or...?


Maybe its all part of the experiment. One group of survivors is pretty much left alone, the other terrorized, then put them both together and see what happens?

If they are as creative as season 1, I don't care if they take a few episodes to cover the tailers' backstories. I just hope that in the move away from all things supernatural, that doesn't include the pre-crash connections they all share. Eventually, I want them revealed on the island. The only ones I can think of from season 2 are Jack/Shannon and Jack/Desmond - Shannon's dead and Desmond is currently gone - nothing to be revealed there (the Jack/Desmond connection was already confronted to some degree anyway).

As far as the island time of the tailers, most of that will likely be covered next week based on the way the preview talked about the episode.

Man, poor Sayid. He can't catch a break :). As for Shannon, I was starting to like her a whole lot more. Pity. Man, was her stepmom a serious bitch or what?


She should hook up with Locke's dad. :eek: Boy, these lostaways have some seriously lousy parents; no wonder they have so many issues!

Again, as someone pointed out, next week's episode is "The Other 48 Days". I think makes it pretty clear that they'll cover from the crash to present in one episode.

Yeah, only one bullet in her gun. You could see it was empty, the slide locked back after she fired it.

Most liked: Sayid
Least liked: Ana (although I hate Locke, I wouldn't want to see him leave the show)

-JR

She should hook up with Locke's dad. :eek: Boy, these lostaways have some seriously lousy parents; no wonder they have so many issues!Yeah, most of these back stories tend to have a villian.

Michael: Walt's Mom, the evil self-centred cold hearted lawyer, with a smile and pleasant voice.
Jack: Drunk'n Dad
Shannon: Evil Step Mom
Lock: Evil Real Dad
Hurley: Twinkies
Hobbit: Drug Dealer buddy
Jin & June: Evil Mafia Boss Dad
Boon: Shannon
Sawyer: Evil real Sawyer
Kate: Self

Did anybody else think for a moment that the ravine where AL's group "lost" Cindy looked very much like the one where Jack first ran into Ethan? I doubt if it was intended to be the same place, but it sure looked similar.




Yes, that's the first thing that went through my mind. That embankment looked like what Jack went sliding down when he took a header in the mud.
Also, the scene where the tail section was walking along the shoreline before they cut inland looked just like the area where they filmed Locke, Rousseau, Jack, Arzt and Kate heading off for the Black Rock.
Again, the tall grass area where Sawyer collapsed looked just like the place where Locke and Kate (or was it Sawyer) were attacked by the wild hog.

I imagine they have a few "sets" set up with light/camera rigging that they use repeatedly from different angles.

Who???

Maybe she's waiting in the shower in the hatch for Jack to walk by again.That wouldn't be good because by now her skin will be all waterlogged and puckered-up! :eek:

Not that it would bother me any. :)

Hmm… no Jack, no Kate, besides entering the code and depressing the transmit key every 108 minutes, just what are the two of them up to down there in that bunker when they're alone together all day and night long? ;)

Again, as someone pointed out, next week's episode is "The Other 48 Days". I think makes it pretty clear that they'll cover from the crash to present in one episode.Or maybe it's a play on "48 Days with The Others"? In any case, they won't spend too much time on the tail-ers before getting back to the current timeline. They may even do it in backstory format so we stay somewhat in touch with the present.

Hmm… no Jack, no Kate, besides entering the code and depressing the transmit key every 108 minutes, just what are the two of them up to down there in that bunker when they're alone together all day and night long? ;)They put up a "Do Not Disturb" sign on the hatch door. :D :D

As of today, who are your most and least liked characters?

Most Liked: John Locke
Least Liked: Jack

Its fantasy I want to believe more than I want to be cynical. That and Jack is getting tired and boring honestly.

Yeah, most of these back stories tend to have a villian.

Michael: Walt's Mom, the evil self-centred cold hearted lawyer, with a smile and pleasant voice.
Jack: Drunk'n Dad
Shannon: Evil Step Mom
Lock: Evil Real Dad
Hurley: Twinkies
Hobbit: Drug Dealer buddy
Jin & June: Evil Mafia Boss Dad
Boon: Shannon
Sawyer: Evil real Sawyer
Kate: Self

I'm starting to think about it a different way: Each character has their demons:

Just looking at the two characters who have passed:

Shannon: Abandonment
Boone: Need to rescue

Seems like the two memebers that have died did so as soon as they confronted and conquered their demons. Boone after he wrote off Shannon and Shannon after Sayid said he loved her, believed her and would never leave her.

And if someone has already aired this or it adds no value, I apologize. :D

I dont know what episode some of you guys have been watching, but that was one of the WORST episodes ever. I am not suggesting that we need at least one answer, but the whole Shannon-Sayid story has been a boring distraction from the beginning.

Other than the Walt lines (which thanks to Jim9251, we have completed disecting), NOTHING was added that will keep me thinking about this show for the next few days! I didn't notice any use of "numbers" or any additional "clues" to anything. Yeah, we saw Jack in the hospital, but that is not new.

So what Shannon is dead, she never contributed to the story anyway!

This episode did nothing for me!

and who really cares that spoiled-brat Shannon actually had to get a job rather than spend her daddy's money ? That's a backstory I could do without

Is it my imagination or is there much less emphasis on Kate this season?

Oh, I don't know, that shot of her crawling through the air duct a few episodes back was enough to tide me over for awhile!

My BAYYYY BEEEEE

Maybe the polar bear ate your baby....

As of today, who are your most and least liked characters?

Most Liked: John Locke
Least Liked: Ana Lucia

Most Liked: Locke or Hurley
Least Liked: Ana Lucia by a looooooooooooong lead. One can only hope she's being set up as annoying as possible so we'll be happy to see her go.

I do not like Hurley, Shannon, Ana, and Hobbit.
Sawyer and Jack are fine.

Or maybe it's a play on "48 Days with The Others"? In any case, they won't spend too much time on the tail-ers before getting back to the current timeline. They may even do it in backstory format so we stay somewhat in touch with the present.Mr. Eko & Ana Lucia Cortez are two of the new characters who’s flashbacks into their histories will provide some interesting story lines. I wonder how much “trouble” Ana Lucia Cortez has experienced before the day she ‘flirted’ with Jack at the airport and then disappeared from the tail section of flight 815?

nice:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/michelle_1.JPG

nicer:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/michelle_2.JPG

Kind of scary in this one! :eek:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/michelle_3.JPG

She looks like Gollum in that third picture! YIKES!!!

That is one exceedingly unattractive woman. :eek:

Maybe the polar bear ate your baby....

Hope there aren't any dingoes on the island.

Why do I have the feeling that there will be a Kate vs. Ana catfight.

I hoping for a in the muddy rain typeone in bikinies :p That will take the ratings in sweeps month.

I was watching on WCVB and they certainly did show the entire episode and the preview for next week before cutting to Invasion. Did you leave the room or something?

I figured out what happen I hit pause for about 1 minuted on my HTPC and when Invasion started the PC automatically went to real time before LOST finished in delayed mode.

Oh, and still waiting for an appearance by the 'security system'. I miss it!


That reminds me - have we seen it at all since it got dynamited? Perhaps it was damaged?

I say he'd choose Shannon because she's pregnant. Maybe the babies dead and Shannon is otherwise ok.

[edit] my bad, I got confused between the characters. Too many beers I guess.

Mark

My theory is Jack will be faced with another "either/or" emergency situation, this time involving the daughter of the man he chose to let die, and Sawyer.

Glad we're getting to see the tail section perspective of the crash- who knows, we may get a closer look at the others.

Pregnant? Did I miss something?

v/r,
C-F

Pregnant? Did I miss something?

v/r,
C-F

I wanna ask the same question.
If so, time is really flying. :)

Pregnant? Did I miss something?

If she was pregnant when she first crashed on the island, you'd think she would have started showing by now. Given that the only time she's had sex since being on the island was the night before, kind of doubtful that there's any justification for that kind of storyline unless the writers want to pursue an "immaculate conception" idea.

I think mdv is just having fun with us.

If she was pregnant when she first crashed on the island, you'd think she would have started showing by now. Given that the only time she's had sex since being on the island was the night before, kind of doubtful that there's any justification for that kind of storyline unless the writers want to pursue an "immaculate conception" idea.

I think mdv is just having fun with us.


Weren't her and Sayid off having sex while Boone was dying?

Mr. Eko & Ana Lucia Cortez are two of the new characters who’s flashbacks into their histories will provide some interesting story lines. I wonder how much “trouble” Ana Lucia Cortez has experienced before the day she ‘flirted’ with Jack at the airport and then disappeared from the tail section of flight 815?

nice:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/michelle_1.JPG

nicer:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/michelle_2.JPG

Kind of scary in this one! :eek:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/michelle_3.JPG


I cannot recall a photo, video, or film with Rodriquez in it where she didn't have that annoying angry look. Can't she give it a rest just for a little while?

Shades of the teen horror movie morality bit? Sex=Someone dies?

v/r,
C-F

I'm starting to think about it a different way: Each character has their demons:

Just looking at the two characters who have passed:

Shannon: Abandonment
Boone: Need to rescue

Seems like the two memebers that have died did so as soon as they confronted and conquered their demons. Boone after he wrote off Shannon and Shannon after Sayid said he loved her, believed her and would never leave her.

And if someone has already aired this or it adds no value, I apologize. :D

I like this take on the characters that have died, but what about Arstz (sp?)? What was his demon to get blown up by dynamite? I know he wasn't really a main character and we had no backstory from him (altough I wish we would have).

NOOOOO!!! My Internet went down Wednesday and now I have 10 PAGES of posts to race through!!! I'll be back in a few days. :(

I like this take on the characters that have died, but what about Arstz (sp?)? What was his demon to get blown up by dynamite? I know he wasn't really a main character and we had no backstory from him (altough I wish we would have).

Arzt was for sheer entertainment value - and well worth it.

Arzt was for sheer entertainment value - and well worth it.

For a minute I thought that Russel Crowe was going to jump out of the jungle yelling. "Are you not entertained?" :p

:D LMAOROTF......... :D

But I'm hangin' in there and refuse to give up! Don't think I'll get to the point of shooting JJ as I've found my therapy with Prison Break which keeps me going week to week.

I am impressed though that you took the time to research my previous posts.

Say....you're not one of those weirdos who stalks people are you??? :eek:Yes... I.... am..... Beware :p.

I easily recognized you from the Lost Whiners Club... We hear from you guys every week when you tell us the same thing. I just had to go back to check, I thought maybe you guys were copy and pasting the exact same posts each time ;).

It's good to hear you've found inner peace from Prison Break. I will not have to alert JJ now... :D


ron

I deleted my recording so I can't verify, but someone just said to me there's a glimpse of the killer holding the weapon in the left hand (not a full body shot obviously). Michelle R (I forget her stage name) is holding the gun in her right hand. Also, this person claims Shannon's wound was not a bullet wound from looking at the frozen frames. Can anybody else look?

larry

I cannot recall a photo, video, or film with Rodriquez in it where she didn't have that annoying angry look. Can't she give it a rest just for a little while?

http://eur.yimg.com/i/xp/premier_photo/0/0e9f0735bf.jpg

http://i.ivillage.com/E/081705/E_Newcomer_Michelle_157.jpg

http://teemix.aufeminin.com/imworld4/stars/fan/D20050628/1925_335776924_michelle_rodriguez_H185605_L.jpg

Wow, she must be cheating on somebody. ;)

I still think the "visions" (Walt, Jack's dad, voices in the jungle) are part of the Dharma/Hanso Remote Viewing project...

~Dan

I think you might be right. It's either that or some sort of Telepathy. Remember it seems that Walt has some kind of special powers and perhaps the island has brought it out. It's obvious that he is trying to warn them about something..probably about the others

I deleted my recording so I can't verify, but someone just said to me there's a glimpse of the killer holding the weapon in the left hand (not a full body shot obviously). Michelle R (I forget her stage name) is holding the gun in her right hand. Also, this person claims Shannon's wound was not a bullet wound from looking at the frozen frames. Can anybody else look?

larryI think this is what you're looking for:

http://www.luxony.com/webpics/fun/shannons_wound.jpg
http://www.luxony.com/webpics/fun/s2e6_gun.jpg

I think there's plenty of reason to suspect that Ana Lucia didn't kill Shannon but maybe took the shot that emptied the gun. When I see the back of the supposed killer, for some reason I wonder where Danielle is during this. Could it have been her?

One thing I can't remember is if there were any screams that could be heard during the loud rainfall.

I''m sure this "cliffhanger" is intentional to keep us in suspense as we spend the next episode or two getting caught up on the tail-ers experience in the past 48 days.

What if it's Desmond?

Naah, if those are in sequence, it is probably just dodgy editing or someone else.

v/r,
C-F

EDIT: The shots are out of sequence in the post. The bottom right comes before the bottom left. I am not sure if that is the pistol in the left shot, it could be a knife or one of the improvised weapons.

What if it's Desmond? ...Anybody remember what weapon it was that Desmond took from the bunker? Didn't he grab a rifle?

I don't think AL shot Shannon, but I suppose there could've been one of those simultaneous shots that are so fun for the editors. Still, it looks more like a slashing wound than a gunshot.

...for some reason I wonder where Danielle is during this. Could it have been her?...Before Shannon saw Walt that last time, I got the distinct impression from the low in-the-brush camera angle that she and Sayid were being watched. Whoever was doing the watching could've been the killer or perhaps just a witness.

I'm starting to think that Sayid didn't actually see Walt, but just said he did to appease Shannon. I can't help but think there's some kind of connection between her being the only one seeing Walt and the fact that she was the next to die. I'm hoping that if Sayid really did see him that it doesn't mean he'll be up next.

I wonder if we're going to see much more of the boy who plays Walt. By this time in real life his voice must be changing in addition to going through possible growth spurts. Maybe that's why we're already relegated to seeing him blurred behind water and hearing him speak so unclearly (backwards). In fact it must be really tough to cast children for a show where 48 days translates to more than a year of growing up.

Sayid saw Walt first. He looked, then Shannon turned and saw Walt then turned back to ask Sayid if he saw Walt this time.

v/r,
C-F

Oh, I don't know, that shot of her crawling through the air duct a few episodes back was enough to tide me over for awhile!
you must not be getting it that often

Sayid saw Walt first. He looked, then Shannon turned and saw Walt then turned back to ask Sayid if he saw Walt this time.

v/r,
C-F

Absolutely right. Sayid saw him first and was so stunned he just sat there for a second while Shannon ran off (to her doom).

Before Shannon saw Walt that last time, I got the distinct impression from the low in-the-brush camera angle that she and Sayid were being watched. Whoever was doing the watching could've been the killer or perhaps just a witness.The low camera angle from under the log or branch was very noticable and done a couple of times. It was done deliberately and I don't think it was just for effect. Whether or not it will really turn out to have any meaning remains to be seen, but I kind of doubt they would have done it unless there was a reason beyond just making the audience wonder.


ron

I've got a theory.

Everyone in the world is convinced that Shannon is the one who's "Lost forever", right? And many interviews and articles written by those who are supposed to know the goings on around the show are saying things to support that supposition, right? But what if it's all part of a grand deception? After all it is sweeps month and Shannon is almost too obvious a choice. So much so that if it is indeed her it just doesn't carry all that much "shock value".

So what if it was a much more beloved character like Jack or Kate or Locke? Now that would be a shocker, wouldn't it? Well, since we don't know for sure if we saw everybody who was really at the final scene, we can't say for a certainty who got shot. All we know is it's "supposed" to be Shannon. This is total conjecture, but my instincts tell me that the final scene of the last episode may hold a much greater shock for us than we've witnessed so far.

The producers have apparently already said that Shannon is dead. I guess we can take that as gospel.

I think the person AL shot is *Cindy*. Perhaps the Others set it up deliberately, or perhaps it was just a tragic accident, but I think this is confirmed by the reactions on Michael and Jin's faces. They clearly recognize the person AL has zapped, and there's only one person from the tail section that they would recognize who's not with the party at that moment.

It does seem clear that Shannon wasn't shot -- she was slashed, by an Other, who's standing right there now in front of Sayid. If you watch the shot where we see him from behind, but watch it IN MOTION, you can see his machette briefly pop out from behind his hand. For what it's worth, it looks to me like the area around the hand has also been digitally manipulated in some way. It has some real blockiness from frame to frame.

By far the weakest...and getting weaker by the week. Disappointing for me as I was an avid fan. Remember when it was good: the mysterious "security" creature, the polar bear, etc....did the writers forget about this or do they just figure they can't explain it without "jumping the shark". I'm thinking they're hoping their viewers forget about it.

This weeks ep was 35 minutes of zzzzzzzzzzz's, 23 minutes of commercials, and 2 minutes of moderate action when Shannon gets shot. Sad to see how it has deteriorated so badly. Hopefully, it'll pick up a little during sweeps month.Dude, you've been posting stuff like this since, like, week 4 of season one. Yet, you keep watching, and you keep coming here to tell us about how much you think it sucks. Don't you have anything else to live for? :confused:

There's also a chance that Shannon was accidentally cut by the machete wielding tailender, Mr. Eko himself. Remember that he's the guy always blazing the trail through the sugar cane with his machete. He is right handed, though, and the Shannon slayer/slasher dude appears to be a southpaw.

Bob

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/sierrabob/lostsnap.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/sierrabob/lostsnap1.jpg

Is this the arm of Eko?

Absolutely right. Sayid saw him first and was so stunned he just sat there for a second while Shannon ran off (to her doom).

Agreed. I still had the episode on DVR and replayed it. It is indeed Sayid who first looks in the direction where Walt is standing, then Shannon turns around and says "Do you see him".

Sayid saw him, Shannon saw him and the dog saw him....it's unanimous.

The producers have apparently already said that Shannon is dead. I guess we can take that as gospel. Which would only make it more of a "shocker" if it was a more central character....confirmed by the reactions on Michael and Jin's faces. They clearly recognize the person AL has zapped, and there's only one person from the tail section that they would recognize who's not with the party at that moment.Good chance it was Cindy. However, they would also recognize any of the mid-plane survivors such as Jack, Kate, or Locke, or maybe even if it was Danielle.

Is this the arm of Eko?I don't think so. In the first picture Mr. Eko has sleeves that come almost to the elbow. In the second picture, of Shannon's slayer, I don't see any sleeves. Arm is bare as far up as we can see.

I think the person AL shot is *Cindy*. Perhaps the Others set it up deliberately, or perhaps it was just a tragic accident, but I think this is confirmed by the reactions on Michael and Jin's faces. They clearly recognize the person AL has zapped, and there's only one person from the tail section that they would recognize who's not with the party at that moment.

It does seem clear that Shannon wasn't shot -- she was slashed, by an Other, who's standing right there now in front of Sayid. If you watch the shot where we see him from behind, but watch it IN MOTION, you can see his machette briefly pop out from behind his hand. For what it's worth, it looks to me like the area around the hand has also been digitally manipulated in some way. It has some real blockiness from frame to frame.
What the hell are you talking about? It is most certainly NOT "clear" that Shannon wasn't shot. The only reason anybody's talking about other possibilities is that some people with time on their hands and an unhealthy obsession have freeze-framed the video and revealed what appeared (for less than a second on screen) to be a wound too large to be a bullet wound. Perhaps they needed such a large wound to make sure we saw it in the fleeting glimpse that we got.

Michael and Jin (and all of those who they are with) are reacting to the fact that they just witnessed an innocent person being killed. Michael and Jin knew her, so they are more horrified.

The person standing in front of Sayid and Shannon that you see from behind is ostensibly Ana, holding the pistol in her left hand, after lowering it from the firing position in the immediately preceding shot. There is no machete anywhere in the scene.

I'm not saying I'm certain that Shannon was shot (we've been misdirected in subtle ways before by this show), but there is no doubt in my mind that Shannon and the tail section fellowship are in the same place, and the gunshot Sayid heard was fired by Ana. I think it possible, though unlikely, we could be told that someone or something else killed Shannon, and Ana was shooting at that someone or something else.

What the hell are you talking about? It is most certainly NOT "clear" that Shannon wasn't shot. The only reason anybody's talking about other possibilities is that some people with time on their hands and an unhealthy obsession have freeze-framed the video and revealed what appeared (for less than a second on screen) to be a wound too large to be a bullet wound. Perhaps they needed such a large wound to make sure we saw it in the fleeting glimpse that we got.

Michael and Jin (and all of those who they are with) are reacting to the fact that they just witnessed an innocent person being killed. Michael and Jin knew her, so they are more horrified.

The person standing in front of Sayid and Shannon that you see from behind is ostensibly Ana, holding the pistol in her left hand, after lowering it from the firing position in the immediately preceding shot. There is no machete anywhere in the scene.

I'm not saying I'm certain that Shannon was shot (we've been misdirected in subtle ways before by this show), but there is no doubt in my mind that Shannon and the tail section fellowship are in the same place, and the gunshot Sayid heard was fired by Ana. I think it possible, though unlikely, we could be told that someone or something else killed Shannon, and Ana was shooting at that someone or something else.


I agree with almost everything you've observed. However, in her firing position in the immediate preceding shot, Ana's definitely not a lefty, and would not be the type to switch hands when lowering her weapon:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/sierrabob/anashot.jpg

What the hell are you talking about? It is most certainly NOT "clear" that Shannon wasn't shot. The only reason anybody's talking about other possibilities is that some people with time on their hands and an unhealthy obsession have freeze-framed the video and revealed what appeared (for less than a second on screen) to be a wound too large to be a bullet wound. Perhaps they needed such a large wound to make sure we saw it in the fleeting glimpse that we got.
Except that the producers are well aware that this show is examined frame-by-frame...to wit: Locke's "We're going to need to watch that again" comment, and Walt talking backwards...I mean, come on, you don't put reversed audio clues in a TV show unless you know some fan is going to record it and play it backward...

~Dan

Except that the producers are well aware that this show is examined frame-by-frame...to wit: Locke's "We're going to need to watch that again" comment, and Walt talking backwards...I mean, come on, you don't put reversed audio clues in a TV show unless you know some fan is going to record it and play it backward...

~DanExactly. And that's why what was so "obvious" to us at first may be what DIDN'T actually happen. Maybe they're not trying to tease us at all, but I think I'll be disappointed now if there's not a weird twist to what we were led to think happened.

Have we seen this?

http://thehansofoundation.org/lep.html

The web site is changing. Joop!

The oceanic site has changed too. I found this message on the site.



If anyone should find this message, please get word I'm alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they're getting worse...
Sally

I survived a horrific plane crash and am stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward word of my fate to my parents.

Whos Sally

The oceanic site has changed too. I found this message on the site.



If anyone should find this message, please get word I'm alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they're getting worse...
Sally

I survived a horrific plane crash and am stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward word of my fate to my parents.

Whos Sally

I'm pretty sure those messages have been there all along. I seem to recall seeing them some time back.

No idea who Sally is.

that's why what was so "obvious" to us at first may be what DIDN'T actually happen. Maybe they're not trying to tease us at all, but I think I'll be disappointed now if there's not a weird twist to what we were led to think happened.I don't disagree with that, but there is nothing in the episode we just saw that "clearly" indicates any such twist is coming. What's cool is that there's also no hard evidence that it's not coming, if you get my drift. You cannot know what really happened from the information we've gotten so far. We just expect it because of the show's history of making things appear to be different than they turn out to be later.

I don't think it's at all significant that they showed the gun in Ana's left hand in the shot of Sayid holding Shannon. They wanted to make sure we saw the gun AND those two at the same time, and given where everyone was positioned, that's the only way they could frame it. Even though it's out of view in the preceding shot, you can imagine as she lowers her arms and the gun, she's shifting it to her left hand.

Don't disagree that it may just be for the sake of the camera shot - but in reality, it would be very unnatural to shift the gun to your left hand - even at rest.

Don't disagree that it may just be for the sake of the camera shot - but in reality, it would be very unnatural to shift the gun to your left hand - even at rest.

I'm right handed, and used to target shoot quite a lot. The only time I can remember a handgun being in my left hand was when I was cleaning it.

I'm right handed, and used to target shoot quite a lot. The only time I can remember a handgun being in my left hand was when I was cleaning it.

If I have a handgun in my left hand, I'm either cleaning it, or I have one in my right hand also. ;)

I still think the shooter was Ana and she was still holding the gun in 2 hands, not her left.

- Tom

http://www.luxony.com/webpics/fun/s2e6_gun.jpg
When I look at these two images again, the musculature of the left arm from behind looks incredibly consistent with the arms of Ana Lucia from the front. Based on the image from behind, I'm not convinced that the thing that's hanging has to be a gun. In fact, slo-mo'ing the scene almost makes it appeart to be something dangling, like a strap or something. If there's anyone else at the scene, it would probably have to be someone/thing we haven't seen yet.

Still, it's great suspense to have so many questions unanswered, even though it's torture for those who want a faster-moving plot-and time-line. :D

The gun barrel (if that's what it is) in the left photo appears to be longer than the one in the right photo.

Two comments:
1. Is that a wedding ring on Ana Lucia's hand?
2. Theory - Ana Lucia is a cop. Kate is OBVIOUSLY a criminal. They maybe KNOW each other?

Hrm? I wonder if that backstory of Kate, if there was a glimpse of Ana Lucia in the episode where the doc got shot.

:)

I still think the shooter was Ana and she was still holding the gun in 2 hands, not her left.

- Tom

Well, the trigger finger was from the right hand in that shot, with her left hand wrapped around for stability. However, guess what? She has held a gun in her left hand alone, aimed and ready for bear, when Eko dragged her out of the pit. She switched the gun to the left hand so that she could grab Eko's rope with her strong right arm.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/sierrabob/analefty.jpg

She prefers the right hand, but will shoot as a southpaw when needed.

But is she the Shannon Assassin? I say no.