If you watch the scene showing Shannon's killer from behind, what is in the left hand does not look like a gun to me. If you look at the hand, it looks like the person is holding an object that extends above the hand, and even has some stuff hanging off of it (look between the arm and the body).

1. Is that a wedding ring on Ana Lucia's hand?


:)

Another screencap from the pit sequence confirms the wedding band.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/sierrabob/anawedband.jpg

What kinda character would marry her kinda character?

Can anyone recommend a site that explores all the theories of what this show is about? For example: They are on Atlantic, they are in a group therapy cession, etc.. thanks .. A Lost Newbie!

I still think the shooter was Ana and she was still holding the gun in 2 hands, not her left.
I can't believe it took this long for someone to say this. In that shot of Anna from behind with the gun pointed downward I also think she is still holding it with two hands, she just lowered the gun.

I get the feeling next week, "The Other 48 days", will only be a story of the back section folk up to now (pretty amazing they will cover all this in one episode since we've had what, almost 30 episodes to tell the mid-section story?). :) Then I'm guessing the week after that, "Collision," will pick up where this week's episode left off, w/ Sayid holding Shannon.

I now believe that the person they show from behind is definitely AL. If you watch the scene where she's blaming Ecko (or however you spell it) for Cindy disappearing (at 49 min on my recording), you'll see she has a stick or something attached to her left hip with a bunch of rope near the top of it. Now when you see the scene from behind, you can clearly see that same stick in between her arm and body and you can see the "ropey" stuff above her arm.

Now whether Shannon was shot or stabbed or whatever, we'll have to wait and see.

What the hell are you talking about? It is most certainly NOT "clear" that Shannon wasn't shot. The only reason anybody's talking about other possibilities is that some people with time on their hands and an unhealthy obsession have freeze-framed the video and revealed what appeared (for less than a second on screen) to be a wound too large to be a bullet wound. Perhaps they needed such a large wound to make sure we saw it in the fleeting glimpse that we got.



Well gee, sorry for expressing my opinion.

If you watch the scene showing Shannon's killer from behind, what is in the left hand does not look like a gun to me. If you look at the hand, it looks like the person is holding an object that extends above the hand, and even has some stuff hanging off of it (look between the arm and the body).If you look at the video in slo-mo, the thing that looks like a gun in freezeframe, looks like something waving in the breeze when in motion. Must be the tether of a stick or something.

If you look at the video in slo-mo, the thing that looks like a gun in freezeframe, looks like something waving in the breeze when in motion. Must be the tether of a stick or something.

I agree that the item must be a stick, not a machete or a gun. My surmise now is that it's in fact a hockey stick, and that we're looking at the back of the clinical psychologist tailender, the shrink. The strong blond is holding the hockey stick in the left hand and possibly the right hand also after just smacking Shannon with a mighty swing that gashed her torso and knocked her out.

Hockey sticks? Yes, both Cindy, the now missing survivor, and the shrink had them in an earlier walking scene during this episode. Where did hockey sticks come from? In the final episode from Season 1 we saw Hurley scrambling to get to the gate for Oceanic 815. He passed a team of people wearing numbered jerseys, numbers which were actually the doom's day number sequence. Those jerseys were from a hockey team, I'm guessing, and at least two of their sticks wound up in the hands of the tailenders:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/sierrabob/hockeyshrink1.jpg

Shrink strikes Shannon with hockey stick?

It's obvious that AL fired a shot, her last one, as the slide on the Beretta remained open. I believe she shot either Vincent (the dog) or Walt. As Shannon came running toward the group behind Walt or the dog, the psychologist took up the point position and spanked Shannon full force with a hockey stick. She's a very strong woman who may have issues with people. For a shrink, her conversation with Sawyer about his wound was a bit harsh.

The Others also have a hockey team and kidnapped Walt in order to recruit him. Eventually there will be a diplomatic playoff game between them and the survivors of the crash. Progess so far has been held up by the impracticality of playing field hockey in the middle of a jungle using only a single standard hockey puck that survived the crash, since they must spend all their time looking for it.

All will be well once the Others discover the golf course. ;)

- Tom

...I believe she shot either Vincent (the dog) or Walt...

NOBODY shoots a dog on television. You can shoot anyBODY in the world, but never a dog!

For a shrink, her conversation with Sawyer about his wound was a bit harsh.
I thought the "Yes, it's bad, but it's not that bad" line is exactly what a psychologist would say to boost someone's spirits and help give them the will to continue on...

~Dan

NOBODY shoots a dog on television. You can shoot anybody in the world, but never a dog!

This of course will be a shock to Old Yeller.

This of course will be a shock to Old Yeller.

Which, of course, was a movie, not a TV show, but touche none-the-less. 'Open Range' was another.

By the way, Old Yeller was the first movie I ever saw in a theater. I think I was either 5 or 6 years old.

The team at the airport was a soccer team, they were on a differeny plane since Hurley ran by they and around a corner.

Which, of course, was a movie, not a TV show, but touche none-the-less. 'Open Range' was another.

By the way, Old Yeller was the first movie I ever saw in a theater. I think I was either 5 or 6 years old.

I was 8 when it came out but never saw it until it was on the WWoD a few years later.

Phoebe Buffay - "What kind of a sick puppy snuff frilm is this?"

Did you "tear" up?

Phoebe Buffay - "What kind of a sick puppy snuff frilm is this?"

Priceless!

What kinda character would marry her kinda character?

http://www.whoosh.org/issue75/graphics/deathdealer.jpg

The team at the airport was a soccer team, they were on a differeny plane since Hurley ran by they and around a corner.

As I think back now I believe you are correct. The team was wearing shorts, but I can't remember if we saw a soccer ball or not. How do you know it was a soccer team? I'm wondering now about these hockey sticks. Where did they come from? Both Ana Lucia and the Shrink have them strapped to their left sides, and both of them are sleeveless. Since AL is later seen in a shoulder shot still lowering her gun to the "cover down" position with both hands after discharging the weapon, the Shrink must be the person seen fronting Shannon and Sayid.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/sierrabob/anacindy.jpg


The Shrink and Ana both have a hockey stick strapped to their left sides!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/sierrabob/lostsnap1.jpg


This must be the arm of the Shrink since Ana is still lowering her gun with both hands as seen later.
I bet the Shrink gave Shannon a slap shot with her stick.

Say, isn't that a hockey stick laying on the ground, on the left side of the picture, and in front of Sayid and Shannon? Maybe the killer dropped the hockey stick and ran off.

I actually prefer Anna being the shooter. Obviously it was an accident and once the mainers hear the mindset of the tailers, they'll (all but Sayid) understand the quick-trigger - but it will still provide some additional drama down the road.

Plus it shuts-up Anna from bringing up Eko being responsible for Cindy's disappearance. Actually it shuts her up anytime she tries to criticize anyone - all they have to say is "well, you shot the pretty, unarmed blond in the chest"

sierrabob,
Except that when you watch the clip, there is something with twine (who made twine?) wrapped around it moving a bit in front of the Silhouette's arm - that seems to be on Ana's left-hip-stick and not on the Shrink's which is bare and ends much closer. You are right that in the first shot, Ana lowers the pistol, and in the second she relaxes her shoulders - cannot tell if her hands are still in both on the pistol, but her arms seem to be still in front of her. I still think it is just dodgy editing.

v/r,
C-F

I'm wondering if we're going to have a Silence of the Lambs moment.

Remember when the FBI agents were about to storm Buffalo Bill's house? FBI rings the doorbell. Next scene shows Jame Gumb hearing his door buzzer and heading upstairs to open the door. Then the FBI gets impatient and breaks down the door. Only then do we realize that the FBI is at an unoccupied house. Meanwhile, back in Ohio, Gumb opens his door to see Starling.

I'm wondering if the Tail-enders are looking at (dead) Cindy, not (dead) Shannon... and Sayid is looking at Danielle, not Ana. It was just edited together to look like both parties were face-to-face.

I'm wondering if we're going to have a Silence of the Lambs moment.

Remember when the FBI agents were about to storm Buffalo Bill's house? FBI rings the doorbell. Next scene shows Jame Gumb hearing his door buzzer and heading upstairs to open the door. Then the FBI gets impatient and breaks down the door. Only then do we realize that the FBI is at an unoccupied house. Meanwhile, back in Ohio, Gumb opens his door to see Starling.

I'm wondering if the Tail-enders are looking at (dead) Cindy, not (dead) Shannon... and Sayid is looking at Danielle, not Ana. It was just edited together to look like both parties were face-to-face.

I got to wondering the same thing today.

Wouldn't surprise me, but I still think that Ana shot Shannon by mistake.

Same stunt just pulled in the last Criminal Minds. Of course, after SOTL, you see it a mile away. Never considered that for LOST however.......interesting.

Same stunt just pulled in the last Criminal Minds. Of course, after SOTL, you see it a mile away. Never considered that for LOST however.......interesting.

Prison Break locked up last week's episode with the same charade.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/sierrabob/hockeyshrink1.jpg

Shrink strikes Shannon with hockey stick?

Those dont look like hockey sticks. They look more like boomerangs lashed to a stick. If they were hockey sticks, there'd be no reason for the rope wrapped around them. Plus, when you look closely right where her hand is holding the stick, you can clearly see its 2 different objects roped together, the top part looking more like a boomerang.

That's ridiculous, so now your saying the girls in the airport were actually a Boomerang team? ;)

ABC now has an official podcast for LOST with cast interviews and conversations from the crew. They have answered a couple questions. One about Shannon and another about the Black Rock. I wont post them because some might consider them spoilers.

From Itunes go the the music store>Podcasts and search LOST. Subscribe the the Official ABC Podcast and another interesting one is called the "Transmission" from a couple that live on the island and often see them filming. Both are free and both warn you of spoilers before they get into them.

Not far fetched that there would be a lot of boomerangs around. Who doesn't go to Australia and bring back a boomerang souvenir?

Those are definitely boomerangs lashed to sticks, not hockey sticks. Tourists coming back from Australia often bring them home as souvenirs. There were probably a bunch in cargo.

Those dont look like hockey sticks. They look more like boomerangs lashed to a stick. If they were hockey sticks, there'd be no reason for the rope wrapped around them. Plus, when you look closely right where her hand is holding the stick, you can clearly see its 2 different objects roped together, the top part looking more like a boomerang.

Brilliant observation, Chris!. They must be boomerangs. Who plays hockey in Australia anyway? Heck, I picked up one myself when I was down under. So the tailenders had ceremonial boomerangs in their carryon baggage.

From this image you can see that the angle of my 'rang matches nicely with the screen cap of what I thought was the end of a hockey stick.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/sierrabob/boomerang.jpg

I'm wondering if we're going to have a Silence of the Lambs moment.

Remember when the FBI agents were about to storm Buffalo Bill's house? FBI rings the doorbell. Next scene shows Jame Gumb hearing his door buzzer and heading upstairs to open the door. Then the FBI gets impatient and breaks down the door. Only then do we realize that the FBI is at an unoccupied house. Meanwhile, back in Ohio, Gumb opens his door to see Starling.



she puts the lotion in the basket before it comes back up...

Say, isn't that a hockey stick laying on the ground, on the left side of the picture, and in front of Sayid and Shannon? Maybe the killer dropped the hockey stick and ran off.

Well, it does look much more like a hockey stick than a boomerang lashed to a stick. Will we solve this one before Wednesday?

It doesn't make sense that Shrink would hit Shannon. She seems to be the kinder, gentler, compassionate sort. She'd probably talk first and defend later.

I agree that it looks like those sticks are lashed up with boomerangs, and a good chop with one of those might very well inflict a wound like we saw on Shannon. I'm guessing, however, that all the people in the final shots are at the same scene. It just remains to be seen where they are in relation to each other and if there are people at the scene that we haven't been shown yet.

Someone should post a poll to see who we think died and who did the killing. And give us more than one choice - :D

Hell, if there are polar bears, i bet there are hockey players on that island too or at least there were :eek: .I'll bet the polar bears ate the hockey players.

Whatever happened to those polar bears? or whatever it was that was as tall as the trees scaring the bejesus out of everyone?

Wow, talk about promoting the "New NHL" they managed to get hockey sticks on this show, good marketing strategy ;)

Probably ridiculous, but wouldn't it be cool if it turned out that Locke was the one taking the kids/tail section folks and delivering them to the Others? He sure was gone an awful lot by himself hunting for boar in the first few days after the crash before he and Boone found the hatch.

Have we seen this?

http://thehansofoundation.org/lep.html

The web site is changing. Joop!

Interesting, the last paragraph is a link and takes you to a doubled signon page. What do we submit?

Two minute minor! I think that boomerang's got an illegal curve to it!


ron

Those are definitely boomerangs lashed to sticks, not hockey sticks. Tourists coming back from Australia often bring them home as souvenirs.
The one I have is about six inches wide and would be a better weapon if it had made out of cardboard. Do they sell ones that are dangerous, like the one in Road Warrior?

Interesting, the last paragraph is a link and takes you to a doubled signon page. What do we submit?

Barry,

I figured a password that works (perhaps there is more than one?). Is it a spoiler to reveal the answer here?

David

EDIT: Perhaps not. There are now at least three passwords I've found that do the same thing, so maybe it is not the real password after all. Upon further investigation, if you type in any phrase and press the submit button three times, you'll get the same result.

Whatever happened to those polar bears? or whatever it was that was as tall as the trees scaring the bejesus out of everyone?



The "Monster" has morphed into the "Island's Security System" we saw at the end of S1 but has yet to make an appearance this season.

I think I saw one of them with a Koala bear lashed to a digereedoo. Very frightning to "The Others".

I think I saw one of them with a Koala bear lashed to a digereedoo. Very frightning to "The Others".

No, "The Others" may not dig didgeridoos, but they're keen on koalas. The kid Other had a stuffed one. It's boomerang tossing killer kangaroos they're afraid of.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/sierrabob/koala.jpg

Kool on Koalas. How many more Down Under Kangaroo Konnections are in this show?

Here's the transcript from the last episode (Abandoned) which may clear a few things up. Starting from the closing jungle scene when Sayid sees Walt:

[They hug. And then they hear the whispers. Sayid sees Walt.]

WALT: Shhh.

SHANNON: Do you see him?

[Sayid nods.]

SHANNON: Walt! Walt!

[Walt walks away and Shannon runs after him. Sayid sits stunned for a moment and then goes after Shannon.]

SAYID: Shannon!

SHANNON: Walt! Wait!

[Sayid trips and starts running after Shannon again.]

SAYID: Shannon!

[Sayid hears a gunshot.]

SAYID: Shannon! Shannon.

[Shannon turns around to reveal a wound in her gut. She collapses into Sayid's arms and dies. Then we see Ana standing there with the gun. And shocked looks on Jin and Michael's faces. Sayid looks like he has murder in his heart looking at Ana.]


Although it's an interesting idea that Sayid is not looking at the tail section folks, the transcript indicates everything is as it seems.

Notice the transcript just says "the wound in Shannon's gut." Could definitely be caused by a blade and not a bullet.

I would be scared of someone who could firmly tie a live Koala to a Didgeridoo and wave it around blithely.

I thought they originally made the sickle instruments out of wreckage, and shaped them purposefully, but ___ was right they do look like Boomerangs.

Even if they are not sharpened, a hooked staff or sickle would be handy for more mundane tasks.

v/r,
C-F

Sorry, but that's no Koala - that's a run of the mill Teddy Bear.

Barry,

I figured a password that works (perhaps there is more than one?). Is it a spoiler to reveal the answer here?

David

EDIT: Perhaps not. There are now at least three passwords I've found that do the same thing, so maybe it is not the real password after all. Upon further investigation, if you type in any phrase and press the submit button three times, you'll get the same result.

or try typing in the word " Copenhagen " and clicking submit once. ;) And thats as much of a spoiler as giving the link to the spoiler thread.

where did you come up with Copenhagen?

or try typing in the word " Copenhagen " and clicking submit once. ;) And thats as much of a spoiler as giving the link to the spoiler thread.

I take it you read the letter to? Interesting. Don't think it's much of a spoiler though. More confusing than anything else.

where did you come up with Copenhagen?

Page source maybe?

It does give potential confirmation that the island is off the coast of Africa, as originally speculated in the drug smuggler plane crash episode in season 1.

It does give potential confirmation that the island is off the coast of Africa, as originally speculated in the drug smuggler plane crash episode in season 1.

I've always been under the impression that the Hanso Corp has facilities all over the world.

Same stunt just pulled in the last Criminal Minds. Of course, after SOTL, you see it a mile away. Never considered that for LOST however.......interesting.

Hopefully, this is an original thought. Sorry if it is redundant.

Silence of the Lambs (SOTL) is an anagram for LOST. :)

I would be scared of someone who could firmly tie a live Koala to a Didgeridoo and wave it around blithely.

I thought they originally made the sickle instruments out of wreckage, and shaped them purposefully, but ___ was right they do look like Boomerangs.

Even if they are not sharpened, a hooked staff or sickle would be handy for more mundane tasks.

v/r,
C-F

The whole purpose of a boomerang is lost if you strap it to a stick. It is not a cutting weapon but a concussion producing weapon.

----<-------<- / /
---->-------->--/ flight of boomerang

err... Sorry I was unclear: I did not tie the [boomerang] to the stick, the Tail-Enders did.

Still, I agree with them. I believe the boomerang is a poor weapon. Throwing sticks (in Australia - Kylies I think) are more effective and easier than using a boomerang. With a boomerang, you are the target - if you are attempting to hit something else, you might as well use a stick designed for that instead. With little or no recent practice, I would find a hooked staff more effective and useful - as a tool and a defense - than any throwing stick or boomerang as a weapon. And if possible I would sharpen at least the inside edge [or use wreckage scraps]. Perhaps if one of them was practiced, it may make better sense to let her/him try for some birds or small mammals, but I think it would take a champion boomerang competitor to reliably bring down a human or a hog - much less an 'Other'.

v/r,
C-F

Sorry, but that's no Koala - that's a run of the mill Teddy Bear.

I guess you're right, since Koalas are actually grey. I wonder, do Aussie kids play with stuffed teddy bears or koalas?

And of course jungle growth makes a boomerang useless as a throwing weapon. I have seen boomerangs fly a fairly vicious arc 1 1/2' to 3' off the ground, for 150' or so, then pull up vertically to begin their return to sender.

I'd like to see Claire and Locke get shacked up.

As for the gunshot at the end of last week's show, after watching it again, it wasn't a "boomerang" super-thrust to the gut or anything else that killed Shannon. No, Rousseau is not in the bushes, and neither is Cindy or the Others. Ana shot and killed Shannon because she didn't know her and thought she was an "Other," it's that plain and simple. Those of you who think there always has to be a surprise twist will be surprised to find out things are actually what they appear to be. Mark my words. ;)

Did anyone see / read the TV Guide listing for next weeks show?

I'd like to see Claire and Locke get shacked up.

As for the gunshot at the end of last week's show, after watching it again, it wasn't a "boomerang" super-thrust to the gut or anything else that killed Shannon. No, Rousseau is not in the bushes, and neither is Cindy or the Others. Ana shot and killed Shannon because she didn't know her and thought she was an "Other," it's that plain and simple. Those of you who think there always has to be a surprise twist will be surprised to find out things are actually what they appear to be. Mark my words. ;)Okay, since you have all the answers: How do you explain the blouse having a long tear in it and the wound being detailed out so much?

http://www.luxony.com/webpics/fun/shannons_wound.jpg

They sure wouldn't have had to tear the blouse like that to splash a bunch of "blood" on her and call it good. Also, if it was just a bunch of blood from a bullet wound, then why didn't they just dress it up the quick way rather than detailing it out in such a time-consuming way?

I know what everyone claims the producers have said, but what did they have to gain by revealing true secrets during sweeps month? I don't buy any of it. If you do, then good for you, but it's not a fact until we see it played out on the screen. Some things we have seen just don't add up to be consistent with what's been "leaked" out. If you think you can explain them, then please do.

As far as the boomerang conclusions, some of you haven't thought it through. If a boomerang was sharpened up real good and lashed to a strong staff, it could be a lethal weapon and a pretty useful tool. I know I for one wouldn't want to be chopped with one fashioned like that.

Okay, since you have all the answers: How do you explain the blouse having a long tear in it and the wound being detailed out so much?

http://www.luxony.com/webpics/fun/shannons_wound.jpg

They sure wouldn't have had to tear the blouse like that to splash a bunch of "blood" on her and call it good. Also, if it was just a bunch of blood from a bullet wound, then why didn't they just dress it up the quick way rather than detailing it out in such a time-consuming way?

I know what everyone claims the producers have said, but what did they have to gain by revealing true secrets during sweeps month? I don't buy any of it. If you do, then good for you, but it's not a fact until we see it played out on the screen. Some things we have seen just don't add up to be consistent with what's been "leaked" out. If you think you can explain them, then please do.

As far as the boomerang conclusions, some of you haven't thought it through. If a boomerang was sharpened up real good and lashed to a strong staff, it could be a lethal weapon and a pretty useful tool. I know I for one wouldn't want to be chopped with one fashioned like that.


Since she did not die instantly from the gunshot, maybe she tore the shirt to look at her wound...

We will find out Next Week!

As far as the boomerang conclusions, some of you haven't thought it through. If a boomerang was sharpened up real good and lashed to a strong staff, it could be a lethal weapon and a pretty useful tool. I know I for one wouldn't want to be chopped with one fashioned like that.

Then it wouldn't be a boomerang would it? :D

or try typing in the word " Copenhagen " and clicking submit once. ;) And thats as much of a spoiler as giving the link to the spoiler thread.


The Dharma Orientation video is there as well it is a hidden link below the last link.

I just realized something. Jack is the reason Shannon and Boone are dead.

Did anyone see / read the TV Guide listing for next weeks show?
I think that qualifies as spoiler in this thread.

And of course jungle growth makes a boomerang useless as a throwing weapon.
Wasn't Jin already hit and stunned with a boomerang type weapon in the first season?

I'd like to see Claire and Locke get shacked up.
Me too. Charlie is without a doubt the most annoying character on the island and that's saying a lot. He is essentially Giligan - if there is ever hope of getting off the island, the other castaways would be well served to tie up Charlie until they are fully rescued.

I have no doubt that Charlie would shoot a rescuer if he looked at Claire the wrong way or didn't want to give them any peanut butter. Of course afterward he would proclaim that he did it all to protect Claire and the baby.

I think that Claire is starting to get a vibe that Charlie's behavior is going beyond normal concern and into stalker territory.

Okay, since you have all the answers: How do you explain the blouse having a long tear in it and the wound being detailed out so much?
• It could be that someone slashed Shannon with some sort of weapon.

• It could be a dramatic way to show the blood from the gunshot.

• Maybe the writers were going to have Shannon slashed by Ana's "boomerang" but then decided on just having Ana shoot Shannon. But since Shannon's makeup was already done and it takes a long time to create that makeup, they just left the slash wound for the gunshot wound knowing that in the fast motion of the scene viewers would just see a red blur.

• Maybe Walt's fingernails have grown long and he is the killer, slashing Shannon's lower chest to get up under her ribcage to rip out her heart which the Dharma folks need for a heart transplant.

There are lots of possibilities, some more reasonable than others. The question is, does the gash that has been freeze-framed by a zealous viewer have any significance? Is it a clue to reveal something that will happen later on?

Did Walt on the milk carton in Hurley's dream have any significance? At that point, TV viewers already knew Walt was taken by the boat people. Hurley didn't know it, nor did he later make a comment on the milk carton from his dream, so apparently Walt on the milk carton had no significance.

Did the Dharma logo on the shark have any significance? It could be a clue that points to an underwater marine bunker that will be revealed later in the season, or, the writers may never visit that again.

I'm not claiming to have all the answers, but the feeling I get from the closing scene of last week's episode in its context is Ana shot Shannon and Shannon is dead because of that gunshot. A questionable makeup job from a single frame of the show doesn't change my opinion of what has taken place.

I just realized something. Jack is the reason Shannon and Boone are dead.
Care to elaborate? I thought Boone died because of his fall in the airplane, which, if anyone would be to blame, it would be Locke, who not only told him to go up there, but failed to tell Jack what happened so Jack could treat him properly. Nor do I get why Jack is the reason Shannon is dead. My spoiler for the week is ... (get ready) ... Ana shot Shannon!

Care to elaborate? I thought Boone died because of his fall in the airplane, which, if anyone would be to blame, it would be Locke, who not only told him to go up there, but failed to tell Jack what happened so Jack could treat him properly. Nor do I get why Jack is the reason Shannon is dead. My spoiler for the week is ... (get ready) ... Ana shot Shannon!

I think what he means is that if he had chose differently in the ER, Shannon's dad might have lived, and Shannon wouldn't have been left out of the will. That set her on a course to Australia, where Boone followed, and put them on the Oceanic flight that crashed.

Care to elaborate? I thought Boone died because of his fall in the airplane, which, if anyone would be to blame, it would be Locke, who not only told him to go up there, but failed to tell Jack what happened so Jack could treat him properly. Nor do I get why Jack is the reason Shannon is dead. My spoiler for the week is ... (get ready) ... Ana shot Shannon!

Because Jack took care of his future wife and not Shannon's father, Shannon basically became a screw up, who Boone had to rescue time and time again. The last time Boone was flying her back to the States and the plane crashed.

No dead father. No screw up Shannon. No need to fly back from Australia with her. No crash on island. No dead. :)

It's all his fault.

It's all his fault.

Muahahaha.....

Is anyone else giddy it's Wednesday?

The Dharma Orientation video is there as well it is a hidden link below the last link.

The film is the same one that was shown in Episode 3--or is it? If you listen closely, it almost seems like subliminal messages are sandwiched into the skips and breaks.

Also, in the film Dr. Marvin Kandall says, "You and your partner will be here for 540 days." Hmm, the doomsday timer resets to 108. 108x5=540. That cannot be a coincidence.

why is everyone asking about next week's episode ? Isn't tonight's episode a new one ?

I think what he means is that if he had chose differently in the ER, Shannon's dad might have lived, and Shannon wouldn't have been left out of the will. That set her on a course to Australia, where Boone followed, and put them on the Oceanic flight that crashed.
Ah, I follow the logic now. But shouldn't we be blaming Shannon's father, for had he not driven that route he took to get in the car accident in the first place, he wouldn't have had to put Jack in that position to make such a decision. :rolleyes:

why is everyone asking about next week's episode ? Isn't tonight's episode a new one ?We watch lost because we like a story that takes several years to unfold. Tonight's new episode is going to be the entire back plane story in one episode, so no one really cares about it.

:p :p :p :p :p :p :p

Yeah, just kidding. I'm waiting to go to lunch.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/sierrabob/timer3.jpg

How 'bout a Team LOST vs. Team OTHERS Hockey match
Using hybrid boomerang sticks and the doomsday clock for timing the periods?

Also, in the film Dr. Marvin Kandall says, "You and your partner will be here for 540 days." Hmm, the doomsday timer resets to 108. 108x5=540. That cannot be a coincidence.

OK, you LOST me. What's the significance of the "5" multiplier?

Less than 8 hours left for those of us in the eastern and central time zones.

They may not even touch the Shannon storyline tonight.

OK, you LOST me. What's the significance of the "5" multiplier?

That's simple. "Five" has 4 letters and "4" is a magic number. ;)

That's simple. "Five" has 4 letters and "4" is a magic number. ;)

And 5 + 4 = 9 = 1 + 0 + 8


How can people not see this? :p

I don't know why Hockey keeps getting brought up. Anybody that has played hockey knows that those things don't look like hockey sticks. Hockey sticks are for the most part flat on the bottom so the blade stays flat to the ice. Secondly the blades are too short to be hockey stick blades.

Joel

And 5 + 4 = 9 = 1 + 0 + 8


How can people not see this? :p

Thank God it's a Wednesday with a new episode!

Thank God it's a Wednesday with a new episode!

Wednesday.... NINE letters.

I need help don't I..... :rolleyes:

Help... FOUR letters. :eek:

I hope its tonights episode that indeed shows Ana shooting Shannon. After the flashbacks on the island and the flashbacks of Ana back home, the last scene brings us current with her pulling the trigger. I think it will boil down to an accidental shooting. I am hoping this gets wrapped up tonight.

Ah, I follow the logic now. But shouldn't we be blaming Shannon's father, for had he not driven that route he took to get in the car accident in the first place, he wouldn't have had to put Jack in that position to make such a decision. :rolleyes:

We watch lost because we like a story that takes several years to unfold. Tonight's new episode is going to be the entire back plane story in one episode, so no one really cares about it.

:p :p :p :p :p :p :p

Yeah, just kidding. I'm waiting to go to lunch.or if he hadn't married that "bitch" in the first place... Shannon wouldn't have gotten "screwed" in the end.

not to mention the show's producers have to make-way for the new characters...

I don't know why Hockey keeps getting brought up. Anybody that has played hockey knows that those things don't look like hockey sticks. Hockey sticks are for the most part flat on the bottom so the blade stays flat to the ice. Secondly the blades are too short to be hockey stick blades.

JoelWhen you're on an island in the middle of the Pacific for who knows how long, you don't need official hockey sticks to play hockey nor do you need ice. Those boomerangs strapped to sticks look like they would do just fine for playing a little sand hockey, do they not. I think the digital portion of the timer would make a fine scoreboard - as long as you're not using the timer anymore. A little imagination goes a long way.

Didn't they build a golf course last season?

4 minutes??? 4 minutes is the "extended" episode???? its extended by 4 friggen minutes??? im sure they're just going to add 4 extra minutes of commercials anyway

Probably about 2.5 minutes of additional commercial time.

Even with a full 4 minutes of programming - promoting a "Special Extended Edition" is pretty lame.

Even with a full 4 minutes of programming - promoting a "Special Extended Edition" is pretty lame.Maybe, but think of the outrage amongst people who record the show to watch later or archive if they didn't mention that the episode was "extended" beforehand.... :eek:

I don't know why Hockey keeps getting brought up. Anybody that has played hockey knows that those things don't look like hockey sticks. Hockey sticks are for the most part flat on the bottom so the blade stays flat to the ice. Secondly the blades are too short to be hockey stick blades.I did refer to them as hockey sticks earlier. It was meant in a sarcastic way. They don't look like hockey stick, nor do they look much like boomerangs lashed to poles either. They look like a tool, or weapon, that was made from material on the island.

My point is, there was one of these things (whatever one wants to call it), on the ground in front of where Sayid and Shannon are in the last scene. And Shannon's wound does not look like a gun shot. But, neither does it look like a wound from one of those sickle like things that most of the tail section folks are carrying, because if they were to swing one of them at someone, wouldn't it make a horizontal slash rather than a vertical one? I suppose one could bring the weapon overhead and slash downward, but that would likely result in a head wound, or shoulder, or chest. Not likely in the gut. Or maybe someone was holding it in front of them, in a blocking position, and Shannon ran into it. One thing is clear. There is no clear way to know what happened yet. Hope they tell us tonight, but I think it will be next week before we know.

I was kind hoping they'd present the tailers 48 days in backstory format mixed in with the current storyline.

I think Neil is right and we won't know much about the current situation until next week - they've got to stretch it out long enough to make it thru sweeps and we have a couple more weeks of that I guess.

4 minutes??? 4 minutes is the "extended" episode???? its extended by 4 friggen minutes??? im sure they're just going to add 4 extra minutes of commercials anyway

I was excited when I heard "extended episode". But when I found it was only a few minutes, I felt manipulated. Obviously just a stunt to get viewers. This is (by far) the worst case of build up for nothing I have witnessed -- worse than a deceiving preview. My respect for the show has certainly dropped. Shows that are actually "good" do not need to use these deceitful devices to attract viewers. This almost appears desperate.

It seems Lost has been used as nothing but a stunt since they keep getting the ratings...

weird setup in this episode, but were making progress

yes, some very strange editing, with the day 2 - 30 secs, day 3, etc...

Cool opening, but was hoping to see the breakaway from the back view.

wow, that last segment was good

Yeah, this is really making me want to see Eko's backstory. I'm liking his character alot.

whoa, talk about neck breaking fooled me big time

is it me or is this episode moving really fast

Maybe, but think of the outrage amongst people who record the show to watch later or archive if they didn't mention that the episode was "extended" beforehand.... :eek:

not sure about how tivo or anything else works, but my sa8300 automatically picked it up as 1:04, thats how i noticed it

wow, hooray!!! this has been an excellent episodes, now if all the rest can stay this good, hopefully we've gotten over that lull. And there was about 2 or 3 times where I felt a commercial break coming and it didnt!

Was Goodwin the body that Eko and Jin saw when they were looking for Michael?

Buck,
Yes at least that is what my wife just mentioned....I forgot about that.

Agreed, great episode so far.

The only thing that sucks is that my HD channel is down "due to a technical issue with the channel provider." BHN in Tampa.

Awesome

Wow. Just Wow.

Next week's looks just as good!

holey sh*t great episode, but disapointed that she actually shot her, makeup team did a horrible job then, or the photos in this thread were photoshopped, but that didnt look like a gunshot wound.

Very informative episode! Certainly adds a different angle about The Others. I am wondering what Goodwin meant when he said they went for the "good" people. Could explain why they go for kids too, since they are still presumably innocent and all.

I felt like the episode went quite fast and that is likely due to not having any backstory this time around. Guess we know for sure Anna Lucia shot Shannon. The preview for next week looks awesome, but I am very confused by the shot with Anna Lucia shooting the gun again...I thought there was just one bullet?

TZ

Looks like the extension was cut from 1:05 to 1:04.

Great episode, but we don't need that pace in the main storyline each week. Hope they don't listen to all the whiny reviewers saying the show is getting boring and just keep it creative here on out.

Did anyone catch the meaning of the glass eye? THAT WAS SOOOOOOOOO COOL









Just kidding, I have no clue.

I loved getting the information this time around, but I think the episodes with backstory are more quality in general. Glad this type of episode isn't the norm.

I guess you can count me as one of the 'winers'. This weeks episode moved along quite nicely, and finished at least one thread in an otherwise multithreaded plot. JJ Abrahms at his best is excellent at tossing out lots of plot lines but eventually tying them up quite nicely. Lets hope he is watching his show closely enough to insure his writers stay on task and get it moving a bit....

Ok since the "others" had a list of the "good" people they were supossed to take, I'm pretty sure they're alive and are part of the experiment

Lost has got the be the best damned show on network television today. I have never seen such a storyline get blended into an existing storyline so smoothly. It was literally a work of art.

Tonight was just above and beyond excellent writing, directing, and editing.

Anyone else think that Ms. Rodriguez can't act worth a crap? :(

Did anyone else notice that Anna shoots the gun again in the teaser for next weeks episode?

Did anyone else notice that Anna shoots the gun again in the teaser for next weeks episode?

thats what has me confused.. the sound effect they had when Shannon gets killed did not sound like a gun shot at all.. Very interesting..

Chris

Did anyone else notice that Anna shoots the gun again in the teaser for next weeks episode?Yeah, one bullet???

Cool opening, but was hoping to see the breakaway from the back view.I'm expecting that in (an) upcoming flashback segment(s), just as the first few episodes of season 1 gave us the perspectives of Jack, Kate, et. al. during the "separation event."

First off, I loved this episode. As others have mentioned, I too am glad that it is not the 'norm,' but was a refreshing change of pace for one episode.

Also, it goes to show that maybe the writers/producers do know which direction they are going. Since they included the infamous (see about a million posts back) ;) Boone radio transmission.

Remember.... "There were no survivors of Flight 815" NO No No, it was "No, We're the survivors of Flight 815" debate.

Yeah, what about her shooting the gun again in the preview of next weeks ep?
It's either tricky editing once again, or maybe she's got another gun/ammo once she meets up with the rest of the survivors. And what about her b*tch slapping Sayid in that preview?

I'm expecting that in (an) upcoming flashback segment(s), just as the first few episodes of season 1 gave us the perspectives of Jack, Kate, et. al. during the "separation event."

Was one of the burning chunks that flew down a body? Great opening.

Was Goodwin the body that Eko and Jin saw when they were looking for Michael?That was the first thing that I thought too. It must be, but I bet it never comes up again.

Very entertaining episode! Much different feel than the "normal" Lost though. Didn't really answer many (any?) questions. We just saw how the experiences of the tail section group parallel what had taken several episodes to reveal already. I don't think we have any more clue what the deal is with the "others" than we did last season when Ethan was with the main group. But the scenes from next week sure make it seem clear what happened at the end of last weeks ep., don't you think?

And what about her b*tch slapping Sayid in that preview?

It looked to me like it will turn out to be her breaking a rope that has him tied up, much like the "michael hitting Jin with the axe" preview turned out.

Did anyone else notice that Anna shoots the gun again in the teaser for next weeks episode?
I think that was just non-sequential editing. I do not think she was shooting at Sayid. I imagine Ana either get reloads later in the show or gets another gun, like Sayid's or Jack's.

Great episode. Next week looks like it covers a lot of ground and we'll see most of the characters. I wonder if there will be a back story next week, or if LOST will start to get away from those. Anyone have an idea if one of the characters has a back story next week?

I wonder if there will be a back story next week, or if LOST will start to get away from those. Anyone have an idea if one of the characters has a back story next week?

I thought I had read that it's Ana Lucia next week. That should be quite interesting.

No flashbacks today! Okay. . . so the whole thing was a flashback.

I was wrong about Shannon being shot. I thought for sure from the stills of the injury that it was a slash not a gunshot wound. But she was clearly shot by Ana. Hmmm.

The weeping Rodriguez was laughably bad acting.

I was sure there was only one bullet so I figure that Ana Lucia gets more ammo when she meets up with the other survivors. Maybe she finds out about the guns and steals some.

Bets on Ana vs. Sayid?

I'll put my money on Sayid. Not only do I like him MUCH more, but I think he's tougher.

Of course, Mr. Eko is the toughest of them all.

I would like to see the reunion between Bernard and his wife. That should be touching.

I noticed Mr. Eko was craving some numbers into the stick I only could make out a 5,8, and possiably a 7.

Great ep. I just need the 'surround-sound' whispering of the Others explained...

Oh and it is a boomarang tied to a stick has Ana had one on the beach :)

i hope ana is dead soon... her character is pretty annoying. It looks like she will go ape$hit on the other survivors.

I think that was just non-sequential editing. I do not think she was shooting at Sayid. I imagine Ana either get reloads later in the show or gets another gun, like Sayid's or Jack's.

Great episode. Next week looks like it covers a lot of ground and we'll see most of the characters. I wonder if there will be a back story next week, or if LOST will start to get away from those. Anyone have an idea if one of the characters has a back story next week?

The gun she took from Sawyer and shot Shannon with appears to be a Berreta. The gun she shoots in the preview is different. There is also a scene for next week where she is sitting on the ground and holding the gun next to her head, with the gun pointed up. That is a different gun from the Berreta, I'll have to screen cap it and look more closely to see what it is.

The US Marshall had 4 guns plus there were guns in the bunker with the countdown. Plus it is logical that if that bunker had guns that other bunkers would too.

OK, they talked about Jin's handcuff tonight. Please remind me - why is he wearing a handcuff?

OK, they talked about Jin's handcuff tonight. Please remind me - why is he wearing a handcuff?

He attacked Micheal for looking at Sun/having his watch in Season one. They handcuffed him because they couldn't understand him and thought he was crazy.

In the preview for next week esp, did any hear what Mr. Eko said to Jack. Jack seem shocked/pissed and said "what did you say". I couldn't make out what Mr. Eko said even after replaying it several times. Any ideas??

An hour and 4 minutes? WTF?! Do they do this on purpose to mess up recording or viewing other stations? Couldn't they just cut out 4 minutes of commercials?

An hour and 4 minutes? WTF?! Do they do this on purpose to mess up recording or viewing other stations? Couldn't they just cut out 4 minutes of commercials?


Nope!

:(

In the preview for next week esp, did any hear what Mr. Eko said to Jack. Jack seem shocked/pissed and said "what did you say". I couldn't make out what Mr. Eko said even after replaying it several times. Any ideas??He said "Ana made a mistake."

The way Jack reacted, I have to wonder if anyone told him who killed Shannon.

An hour and 4 minutes? WTF?! Do they do this on purpose to mess up recording or viewing other stations? Couldn't they just cut out 4 minutes of commercials?
I very much doubt they did it to mess with recording - this show has relied on people recording the episode to spot some of the clues. They wouldn't burn their most avid and active viewers intentionally.

San Dieagans got a surprise....

Toward the end of the program they switched to SD and scrolled a message across the screen that Time Warner Cable will be dropping ABC starting next month and refrenced this website:

http://timewarnerdoesnotcare.com/

Either Time Warner has lost their minds or our local affiliate KGTV got hacked bad!

http://hdtv.forsandiego.com/messages/2/4157.html?1132208229

You guys should see the vid cap, it can't be a real message.

Great epi, losts of stuff showed up thru it that we have seen so far, the teddy bear, or whatever it was is deff the same from the little boy on teh beach, so i would assume that it was the same little boy draggin it by the rope since GOODWIN said the kids are fine. THey are probally in a holding area, which probally means that WALT is also fine. Goodwin said the children are fine when he was talkin to ANA, before they got into it and she killed him . I still dont know if NATHEN was a other aswell, but if u take the letters and shuffle them, it spells ETHAN, whom as weknow was a OTHER ASwell. We also learned that ANa Killed SHannon, shot her thru the back, which is why the wound in the front is bigger, cause it was the exit wound, usually is much bigger then the entrance. I have also started to see more info pop up on oceanic-air dot come site. Lots of funny info on there. Anyone else see anything worth mentioning on this show. I still dont know why GOODWIN killed NAthen. I guess that was for us whom write about allthe little things to say, shoot, i though NATHEN was the OTHER since the name is almost the same as ETHAN whom was a other.
wg

Fantastic episode. They raised some questions, but also answered a few that relate to this season and the past season. Good good stuff.

And 5 + 4 = 9 = 1 + 0 + 8


How can people not see this? :p

Remember this discussion earlier in this thread? We connected the 108 minutes of the doomsday timer to the 540 days the Dharma subjects were supposed to be on the island. The digits add to nine--and nine is the number of people on the list that Ana pulled from the dead Other.

Also, 108 x 5 = 540. 108 degrees is the measure of each interior angle in a pentagon, and they total 540 degrees. Coincidence? I think not. Just ask Dan Brown (Da Vinci Code author) about the significance of pentagons and pentagrams. Come on Dharma project people, show us a pentagon.

Finally, what I'm sure really is coicidental is that Harold Parrineau (Michael) appeared in The Edge, the Alaskan version of Lost where a bear is killed by deadfall onto a spear, the same way that Ana killed Goodwin.

Regarding Ana shooting the gun in the preview - the gun she shot Shannon with was a Beretta; the gun she's shooting in the preview is a Sig. It appears it may be the gun that Sayid has been carrying...

Was Goodwin the body that Eko and Jin saw when they were looking for Michael?

Yes. Eko said "That was Goodwin"

Remember this discussion earlier in this thread? We connected the 108 minutes of the doomsday timer to the 540 days the Dharma subjects were supposed to be on the island. The digits add to nine--and nine is the number of people on the list that Ana pulled from the dead Other.

Also, 108 x 5 = 540. 108 degrees is the measure of each interior angle in a pentagon, and they total 540 degrees. Coincidence? I think not.


If you take the pentagon, and add the number of tailers (3) taken the first night - you get an Octagon. DHARMA logo.........spooky! ;)

He said "Ana made a mistake."

The way Jack reacted, I have to wonder if anyone told him who killed Shannon.
My wife thought Jack's reaction was based on him recognizing the name Ana from the bar. She had told him she was in the back of the plane.

And last week I was sure that it was not Shannon who was going to go away but the flight attendant who went missing as they were carrying Jin up the bank, but then Jack mentions that Shonnon's dead in the preview. Of course they could be !@#$ing with us some more.

I still dont know why GOODWIN killed NAthen. I guess that was for us whom write about allthe little things to say, shoot, i though NATHEN was the OTHER since the name is almost the same as ETHAN whom was a other.
wg

Goodwin killed nathen because he knew that Ana was going to start torturing him. Goodwin figured that Ana would then find out that Nathen was not the mole, and she might start looking at other people.

I thought the reaction was Jack not appreciating Eko simply calling it a mistake.

Regarding Ana shooting the gun in the preview - the gun she shot Shannon with was a Beretta; the gun she's shooting in the preview is a Sig. It appears it may be the gun that Sayid has been carrying...

After she shot Shannon the slide was open which means, no more bullets.
The preview shows slide closed?

Its much easier to understand now why the Ana party took forever to be convinced Sawyer and crew were telling the truth.

i hope ana is dead soon... her character is pretty annoying. It looks like she will go ape$hit on the other survivors.


Remember everyone hated Sawyer early on in season 1. He was a world class a$$ hole. Now everyone loves him. I think the same will be true of Ana in season 2.

"Remember everyone hated Sawyer early on in season 1. He was a world class a$$ hole. Now everyone loves him. I think the same will be true of Ana in season 2."

Don't bank on that cowboy.

Seeing the glass eye makes me wonder if the Others want "the good ones" and children for blood transfusions and/or their organs.

I'm sure this has been previously addressed, but I've been off the Lost board for a while. Probably old news.

Did anyone notice the "Quarantine" posted on the inside of the door where they found the radio and glass eye? I remember they (Jack/Locke) talked about it from the hatch.

An hour and 4 minutes? WTF?! Do they do this on purpose to mess up recording or viewing other stations? Couldn't they just cut out 4 minutes of commercials?

Yes this totally sucked and screwed up my recordings I hate ABC for a variety of reasons. Lost and football are the only things I watch on this network

yea, its obviously the same type of bunker that quarentines the outside. Anybody else remember what else was in the room? Was that blankets? Also a bible i remember, still confused as to what a science experiment would have to do with god, but god has come up more then once so far i think.

hey is it me or did anybody else laugh when she offered the black guy some chicken?

Also, 108 x 5 = 540. 108 degrees is the measure of each interior angle in a pentagon, and they total 540 degrees. Coincidence? I think not. Just ask Dan Brown (Da Vinci Code author) about the significance of pentagons and pentagrams. Come on Dharma project people, show us a pentagon.

Strangely, On one of the wide angle scenes showing the group on their beach, I could have sworn that the pathways/footprints that they had walked into the sand were in the shape of a pentagon. I saw it immediately and though it might be some wierd screwup from production (camera dollies, etc.). Seeing the comment above makes me wonder if there is more to it...

Great episode.

I'm glad they gave the AL character some depth. She's such a badass, I really want to know her story. I'm starting to think she's US Special Forces, they way she handles combat situations and hand to hand. She also seemed pretty sure she didn't see those guys on the plane. Who pays that kind of attention besides Air Marshals and stewardesses? It would be interesting to have a Iraqi and US Special Forces - Sayed vs AL - as enemies.

I was also impressed with the way she caught on to and called out Goodwin. She kept grilling him about The Others motives on their trip, and he eventually gave himself away. I'm interested in a couple of things he said - "Maybe they aren't attacking us" and after he was outed he said something about they are taking the good ones. I think these are key to understanding their motives.

Also, the fact that they had a list of the tail survivors is creepy. Do we know if it included names or just descriptions? if The Others had a list of names, that is freaky and opens up a lot of questions.

My biggest question now is why did Mr. Eko (when he was with Jin) fear the children walking in the jungle a couple of episodes ago? :confused:

Nothing in last night's episode suggested that the children were a threat. The only thing I can think of is that the group were not all children, and that some of the Others were with them. But the legs we saw from Eko and Jin's viewpoint sure looked like only kids legs.

Ana is all about the group and their safety. She clearly doesn't have her own agenda going on, unlike Sawyer early on who bumped heads with everyone.

I enjoyed seeing Libby before she became known as "Dirty Libby"

hey is it me or did anybody else laugh when she offered the black guy some chicken?

No, but I laughed when I imagined AAA getting offended.

Great epi, losts of stuff showed up thru it that we have seen so far, the teddy bear, or whatever it was is deff the same from the little boy on teh beach, so i would assume that it was the same little boy draggin it by the rope since GOODWIN said the kids are fine. THey are probally in a holding area, which probally means that WALT is also fine. Goodwin said the children are fine when he was talkin to ANA, before they got into it and she killed him . I still dont know if NATHEN was a other aswell, but if u take the letters and shuffle them, it spells ETHAN, whom as weknow was a OTHER ASwell. We also learned that ANa Killed SHannon, shot her thru the back, which is why the wound in the front is bigger, cause it was the exit wound, usually is much bigger then the entrance. I have also started to see more info pop up on oceanic-air dot come site. Lots of funny info on there. Anyone else see anything worth mentioning on this show. I still dont know why GOODWIN killed NAthen. I guess that was for us whom write about allthe little things to say, shoot, i though NATHEN was the OTHER since the name is almost the same as ETHAN whom was a other.
wg

Except for one thing... the proper spelling is Nathan, not Nathen.

I think the writers purposefully named that character Nathan which indeed is similar to Ethan and would lead viewers to believe that perhaps Nathan is an Other.

Nathan also said he was from Canada, like Ethan had claimed.

So Goodwin claimed to be a Peace Corps volunteer.

Ana Lucia recognizes an old issue US Army knife.

Guess she didn't come to be suspicious of Goodwin until much later or she would have thrown him down in the hole too.

BTW, Goodwin seemed genuinely to be surprised by seeing the Dharma facility.

So the Others don't know about these hatches?

BTW, Goodwin seemed genuinely to be surprised by seeing the Dharma facility.

So the Others don't know about these hatches?

I thought the same thing. Sort of an "I can't believe WE didn't find this first. And what the hell is it?"

Strangely, On one of the wide angle scenes showing the group on their beach, I could have sworn that the pathways/footprints that they had walked into the sand were in the shape of a pentagon. I saw it immediately and though it might be some wierd screwup from production (camera dollies, etc.). Seeing the comment above makes me wonder if there is more to it...

There was a double line that went horizontal from right to left - then headed northwest (directionally) - but that ended at a guy crawling on the sand dragging his right leg behind him.

The preview for next week looks awesome, but I am very confused by the shot with Anna Lucia shooting the gun again...I thought there was just one bullet?

Did anyone else notice that Anna shoots the gun again in the teaser for next weeks episode?

Yeah, one bullet???

Sayid has a pistol, too...

Or, apparently, did until Ana-Lucia takes it from him...

~Dan

Great I'm glad they gave the AL character some depth. She's such a badass, I really want to know her story. I'm starting to think she's US Special Forces, they way she handles combat situations and hand to hand. She also seemed pretty sure she didn't see those guys on the plane.

Perhaps she's a cop of some sort. She's too well trained to not be some kind of elite law enforcement or military.

Also, the fact that they had a list of the tail survivors is creepy. Do we know if it included names or just descriptions? if The Others had a list of names, that is freaky and opens up a lot of questions.

Yes, there were names and descriptions, including the clothes they were wearing. Interesting that The Others have now lost, what, 3 killed while on their two kidnapping strikes? And Goodwin didn't seem too upset about that. Clearly, they're willing to take casualties to accomplish their missions - makes them that much more dangerous.

How resistant will the tailers be to referring to the bad guys as "The Others" instead of "Them"?

First off, I loved this episode. As others have mentioned, I too am glad that it is not the 'norm,' but was a refreshing change of pace for one episode.

Also, it goes to show that maybe the writers/producers do know which direction they are going. Since they included the infamous (see about a million posts back) ;) Boone radio transmission.

Remember.... "There were no survivors of Flight 815" NO No No, it was "No, We're the survivors of Flight 815" debate.

Yeah, what about her shooting the gun again in the preview of next weeks ep?
It's either tricky editing once again, or maybe she's got another gun/ammo once she meets up with the rest of the survivors. And what about her b*tch slapping Sayid in that preview?

funny you mention the Boone transmission. Last night's episode showed is in day 41, and the episode went up to day 48, where Shannon was killed. I was trying to remember back to last season, but it sure seemed like more than 7 days had passed on the show since the Boone transmission and him dying, no ?

hey is it me or did anybody else laugh when she offered the black guy some chicken?No, but I laughed when I imagined AAA getting offended.No, because it wasn't "fried."

oops, I can't believe I said that, my apologies

Very entertaining episode! Much different feel than the "normal" Lost though. Didn't really answer many (any?) questions. We just saw how the experiences of the tail section group parallel what had taken several episodes to reveal already. I don't think we have any more clue what the deal is with the "others" than we did last season when Ethan was with the main group. But the scenes from next week sure make it seem clear what happened at the end of last weeks ep., don't you think?

well we found out that the guy thrown in the pit and killed, said he was from Canada, so was Ethan. Not sure if that meant anything, but Goodwin told AL that pit guy was on the plan, but can we trust Goodwin ? I'm not so sure, why else would the guy kill him ? Could it be that pit guy was with Goodwin, but Goodwin was afraid that pit guy would actually spill the beans about Goodwin and Ethan when AnnaLucia was torturing him ?

We also can infer that the others than Jin and Ecko saw walking through the forest, while they were hiding, included the boy and girl that AL swore to protect (teddy bear in that episode was the same that the boy had on the beach last night)

Perhaps she's a cop of some sort. She's too well trained to not be some kind of elite law enforcement or military.

of course AL is a cop, whatsamatter, you never saw SWAT ?

I think that was just non-sequential editing. I do not think she was shooting at Sayid. I imagine Ana either get reloads later in the show or gets another gun, like Sayid's or Jack's.

Great episode. Next week looks like it covers a lot of ground and we'll see most of the characters. I wonder if there will be a back story next week, or if LOST will start to get away from those. Anyone have an idea if one of the characters has a back story next week?

I believe AICN reports next week is AnnaLucia's back story (hope that's not a spoiler)

I believe AICN reports next week is AnnaLucia's back story (hope that's not a spoiler)


Next week is Kate, titled - What Kate Did

An hour and 4 minutes? WTF?! Do they do this on purpose to mess up recording or viewing other stations? Couldn't they just cut out 4 minutes of commercials?

and I got pissed because it seemed from 9:55p to 10:00p were commercials and a quick news clip from WABC-NY

One theory from long ago, that the plane never crashed, can be ruled out.
Bernard in that tree was a hoot. Well, except for the dead guy.

Could it be that pit guy was with Goodwin, but Goodwin was afraid that pit guy would actually spill the beans about Goodwin and Ethan when AnnaLucia was torturing him ?Doubtful, Goodwin told AnnaLucia the "pit guy" wasn't kidnapped because he was not a good person, which indicates those doing the kidnapping (are they really the "others"?) purposefully select their victims.

Plus, Goodwin killed Nathan. It would make no sense that he was one of "them". He could have released Nathan and he could have returned to Them HQ. But his explanation to Anna makes sense - he didn't want him to get tortured to the point that it became apparent he wasn't one of Them and the focus would shift to someone else - namely Goodwin. Simply releasing him would leave that concern on the table if they ended up bumping into him down the road.

Great episode.

I'm glad they gave the AL character some depth. She's such a badass, I really want to know her story. I'm starting to think she's US Special Forces, they way she handles combat situations and hand to hand. She also seemed pretty sure she didn't see those guys on the plane. Who pays that kind of attention besides Air Marshals and stewardesses? It would be interesting to have a Iraqi and US Special Forces - Sayed vs AL - as enemies.



Uh, women generally aren't allowed near the front lines, never mind serving in special forces units. For example, in addition to special forces, the army prohibits women from infantry, armor, cannon field artillery or short -range air defense artillery.

Next week is Kate, titled - What Kate Did

not according to AICN:
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=21846

The real Ana Lucia flashbacks come next week. Then Kate. Then someone of whom we’re not permitted to speak. But I'm guessing we'll soon be permitted, so watch this space.

noone mentioned the fact that one of the others are carrying 20 year old ARMY issued pocket knives, from what Anna Lucia stated. Previously we speculated that the others may have been from the pirate ship, but if so, how is the US Army involved ? I thought the DHARMA Initiative was independent from the US Government ?

I’m beginning to wonder if the “other’s” aren’t one group, but two.

Perhaps Nathan really wasn’t on the plane at all. Maybe he came from ONE of the groups on the island, while Goodwin came from another.

These groups may be opposed – another yin/yang element to lost. There may be a reason that some people (children, etc.) are important to these groups. The abductions could simply be efforts to keep certain people away from the competing group…

Who knows.

Ooooh - good theory there, grendel!

Can somebody detail what happened in the extra four minutes? My recording stopped right about the time they found Jin and were questioning the handcuffs. I know blow by blow recaps aren't generally found here, but I suspect there are a bunch of us who missed the overtime.

Thanks.

not according to AICN:
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=21846

My bad, you're absolutely right, I sprung ahead.

So, any guesses as to Eko's religion and how strongly it'll relate to his character? I don't think we've had a strongly religious character introduced yet. 40 days of mourning is common to a few religions and they did pause when he was handling a copy of the Bible. I also wonder whether it's set in stone that having faith he'll automatically be in Locke's camp. It'd almost be more interesting if they were opposing one another.

And the only "eye" connection i can think of is that they used to start every episode with a close-up of a character's eye. Or maybe they just do that during flashback episodes.

Can somebody detail what happened in the extra four minutes? My recording stopped right about the time they found Jin and were questioning the handcuffs. I know blow by blow recaps aren't generally found here, but I suspect there are a bunch of us who missed the overtime.

Thanks.


Pretty much a slideshow of what we saw previously from when Michael and Sawyer washed up to when Shannon got shot. Only "new" scenes (just different perspectives) that I recall are:

1) We saw Eko correctly assume that Jin - and then later Michael & Sawyer - were not threats and were being honest. Anna remained skeptical.

2) Anna asking Eko to hit her (so it looked convincing before throwing her into the pit with J, M & S) - and Eko landing a monster backhand on Anna (don't think she needed to ask him twice)

3) Shannon popping out of the trees in front of Anna and she instinctively fired - and almost immediately questioning (from her expression) whether she was a threat or one of "Them".

Other than that, it was a quick collection of clips that we already saw to catch the tailers timeline up to present time.

Can somebody detail what happened in the extra four minutes? My recording stopped right about the time they found Jin and were questioning the handcuffs. I know blow by blow recaps aren't generally found here, but I suspect there are a bunch of us who missed the overtime.

Thanks.
nothing really, it was just a quick synopsis of the previous events from where the two woman (other then AnnaLucia) discovered Jin washed up on shore... to the capture of Jin, Sawyer & Michael... to the trek through the jungle where AnnaLucia eventually shoots & kills Shannon.

I also wonder whether it's set in stone that having faith he'll automatically be in Locke's camp. It'd almost be more interesting if they were opposing one another.

It seems that:

Eko = Locke
Anna = Jack
Cindy = Steve ;)

Cool opening, but was hoping to see the breakaway from the back view.

Yeah, my gf and I were blown away by the tranquil beach ("beautiful!" she said), then WHAM!

whoa, talk about neck breaking fooled me big time

Yeah, when that guy said he was from Canada, I was SURE it was him. The only doubts I had was that the guy who played the real rat (Goodwin) ALWAYS plays a rat or jerk.

That was the first thing that I thought too. It must be, but I bet it never comes up again.

Eko said it was Goodwin, and it sure looked like a similar death (spear through the torso)

hey is it me or did anybody else laugh when she offered the black guy some chicken?


It's just you...

He said Ana Lucia made a mistake. Jack apparently recognized the name from having met her prior to the crash.Dude... if we went through what AnnaLucia experienced during the last 48 days... we'd all be a little "trigger happy" too! :D

Eko said it was Goodwin, and it sure looked like a similar death (spear through the torso)

Funny how when Jin saw Goodwin, he pointed to him and said "Others?" and Eko shook his head yes. Somehow I don't think that they were on the same page there :)

He said Ana Lucia made a mistake. Jack apparently recognized the name from having met her prior to the crash.

hmmm.....I think Jack's reaction has to be about something more...besides, after everthing he's been through do you think he would remember the name of a women he meet for 2 minutes over a month ago. Somone mentioned they thought he was reacting to the term mistake or perhaps finding out shannon was shot. Can't wait to see next weeks show - it looks good!

I didn't think he recognized the name either, but with the way Anna looks, he very well could have burned that name into his head in case a "mile high club" opportunity might come up on the flight.

I really hope somebody loans Anna a bikini - maybe she could wear Shannon's. She won't be needing it, and the fit would be perfect (2-3 sizes too small ;) )

Great episode. Only problem I had was that they way they searched the dead Others, how did they miss the gun that Sawyer had? That is the only part that didn't add up for me.

I'm with grendel on the multiple groups idea. I think we might even have something along the lines of "The Others" being the researchers and "They" being people who escaped from experiments. It would be cool if the groups are currently trying to prepare for a war, say in season 4.

So, any guesses as to Eko's religion and how strongly it'll relate to his character? I don't think we've had a strongly religious character introduced yet. 40 days of mourning is common to a few religions and they did pause when he was handling a copy of the Bible. I also wonder whether it's set in stone that having faith he'll automatically be in Locke's camp. It'd almost be more interesting if they were opposing one another.

And the only "eye" connection i can think of is that they used to start every episode with a close-up of a character's eye. Or maybe they just do that during flashback episodes.


are you trying to setup a link between Eko and the African drug runners in the plane who were dresses as priests. After last night's episode it sure seemed that Eko was definitely on flight 815. I wouldn't put it past the writers though for them to link Eko with the drug runners

It seems that:

Eko = Locke
Anna = Jack
Cindy = Steve ;)

differences between Anna and Jack:

Jack = reluctant leader, doctor in past life
Anna = embracing leadership, probable police or military history

True (plus Jack is a man and Anna isn't :) ), but the key characteristics are "leader" and a "facts only" attitude where skepticism is the default and matters of faith have no weight in their decision making.

differences between Anna and Jack:

Jack = reluctant leader, doctor in past life
Anna = embracing leadership, probable police or military history

Which, interestingly has even more yin/yang elements:

Jack - Male AL -Female
Jack - Doctor (giver of life) AL - Military? (taker of life)
Jack - reluctant leader AL - willing leader

etc....

I think this still may turn into a conflict. The survivors will gravitate into two opposed groups. Even the reference made to "good" people implies that there are "bad" people.

Interesting.

are you trying to setup a link between Eko and the African drug runners in the plane who were dresses as priests. After last night's episode it sure seemed that Eko was definitely on flight 815. I wouldn't put it past the writers though for them to link Eko with the drug runners
Nope. The only link I might see is that the drug runners were dressed as priests while Eko might actually be a priest or a cleric.

And while Ana-Lucia might be a cop, there's no was she's an Air Marshall. Last time I checked they don't drink at airport bars before take off (just the pilots, right?). She was the one who performed CPR on the girl, right? Don't all cops get CPR training?

hmmm.....I think Jack's reaction has to be about something more...besides, after everthing he's been through do you think he would remember the name of a women he meet for 2 minutes over a month ago. Somone mentioned they thought he was reacting to the term mistake or perhaps finding out shannon was shot. Can't wait to see next weeks show - it looks good!Yup, provided she's "hot" enough. :) Great episode. Only problem I had was that they way they searched the dead Others, how did they miss the gun that Sawyer had? That is the only part that didn't add up for me.Hey, Sawyer is a "crafty" guy... he even got "Kate" to give him a "smooch" once while he was bound & tortured. :D

Nope. The only link I might see is that the drug runners were dressed as priests while Eko might actually be a priest or a cleric.

And while Ana-Lucia might be a cop, there's no was she's an Air Marshall. Last time I checked they don't drink at airport bars before take off (just the pilots, right?). She was the one who performed CPR on the girl, right? Don't all cops get CPR training?Most likely Ana-Lucia is some kind of former "gang-banger" who grew up the "hard-way" in a LA South Central Barrio. ;)

Their searches stopped short of a full cavity search - considering how big an A-Hole Sawyer is, a Baretta would probably be a minor irritant. ;)

I really hope somebody loans Anna a bikini - maybe she could wear Shannon's. She won't be needing it, and the fit would be perfect (2-3 sizes too small ;) )

Ever seen Blue Crush? Not that impressive. Put another way, she's no Lake Bell. ;)

I really hope somebody loans Anna a bikini - maybe she could wear Shannon's. She won't be needing it, and the fit would be perfect (2-3 sizes too small ;) )Ever seen Blue Crush? Not that impressive. Put another way, she's no Lake Bell. ;) Isn't this why God invented "breast implants?" :)

Goodwin's comment to Anna that Nathan was not "a good person" as the reason he was not on the list prompted me to have some fun thoughts about what he meant. Last season, I might have speculated that everyone on the island has some sort of unresolved issue, thus the "good people" were allowed to leave via the others. This season, with all the mythology seemingly dropped ( i.e. my beloved 'security system'), I'm wondering if it means they taste better in the Barby, or what...?

OK Ekobesi was from the plane and not descended from slaves from Black Rock. Damn, there goes my wackiest theory! It's funny that A A-A always plays African characters even though he speaks with a British accent.

What's with the Canada connection? Both Ethan and Nathan said they were from Canada but Goodwin spoke with some Canadian mannerisms, like saying "Sorry?" when he pretended to not understand when AL was telling him.

I have to say that there were some weak points in the second group's plot. Why didn't the group keep someone awake during the night after they had already been attacked once? Why did it take AL so long to figure Goodwin out? Why didn't Goodwin fib a decent explanation for why he didn't end up in the water after the crash (Bernard didn't end up in the water). Why didn't she wait until they got back with the rest of the survivors before throwing accusations at him (Ekobesi could have taken care of him with one hand)? Where did all that dirt go when AL dug the pit and why did she dig it large enough to fit ten people when she only planned to imprison one?

I point these little things out because I loved how the series started out with the survivors acting like fairly reasonable people doing understandable things to protect themselves instead of typical TV characters going out of their way to put themselves in danger only to make the writers' jobs easier. If the series had started with this story I would have had lower expectations.

Has anyone noticed how universally bad the acting is in LOST? Eko in mourning, for example, or Ana Lucia trying to cry. How about "find my boy" Michael? Or "it's not so bad" Libby? How about "what do you want from me?" Locke or Jack always crying about some faux pas. These people act like they're in a high school play, but why? Is it to give LOST a reality show feel? If it weren't for the tricky story line and the Oahu setting, LOST would have been lost after one season.

But back to the intriguing stuff: does a major character ever die without saying any last words? Shannon must say something important before finally kicking the bucket. But does her character have anything earth shattering to say?

Why didn't the group keep someone awake during the night after they had already been attacked once? Why did it take AL so long to figure Goodwin out? Why didn't Goodwin fib a decent explanation for why he didn't end up in the water after the crash (Bernard didn't end up in the water). Why didn't she wait until they got back with the rest of the survivors before throwing accusations at him (Ekobesi could have taken care of him with one hand)? Where did all that dirt go when AL dug the pit and why did she dig it large enough to fit ten people when she only planned to imprison one?

I tend to have the same approach as Sierrabob. I'll dissect the show, but that makes it all the more interesting. I also wondered why AL would put herself alone w/ Goodwin if she suspected something. And why is it that every time there's a chance to capture an other, the other winds up dead (i.e. ethan)?

When Goodwin told AL that the Nathan wasn't kidnapped cause he wasn't a good person, it made me wonder if that's why Charlie and Claire were "sent back" last season. Maybe they determined that Charlie's addiction and Claire's orginal attitude toward her baaaabbbbyyyyyyy made them bad people.

Gotta love a show that makes you speculate this much... :cool:

These people act like they're in a high school play, but why?
No they act like they're on an episodic television series. The actors get their scripts a day or two in advance and don't get many chances to get a scene right. This is especially true in an expensive show like Lost that has a large ensemble cast, lots of parallel plots and lots of outdoor scenes in Hawaiian weather that changes every hour.

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I have to say that there were some weak points in the second group's plot. Why didn't the group keep someone awake during the night after they had already been attacked once? Why did it take AL so long to figure Goodwin out? Why didn't Goodwin fib a decent explanation for why he didn't end up in the water after the crash (Bernard didn't end up in the water). Why didn't she wait until they got back with the rest of the survivors before throwing accusations at him (Ekobesi could have taken care of him with one hand)? Where did all that dirt go when AL dug the pit and why did she dig it large enough to fit ten people when she only planned to imprison one? [QUOTE]

Good Points. Especially the pit she is digging. That is a pretty large whole that she dug with no real tools. It would have taken a pretty long time to dig that size whole, don't ya think? And only one person seemed to know she was doing all that digging? Seem like the other people in her group would have known.

I tend to have the same approach as Sierrabob. I'll dissect the show, but that makes it all the more interesting. I also wondered why AL would put herself alone w/ Goodwin if she suspected something. And why is it that every time there's a chance to capture an other, the other winds up dead (i.e. ethan)?

My guess is she knew he would never admit it in front of the others. He only admitted it to her because he decided he'd kill her anyway. And the other survivors might have tried to stop her if she was going to torture him. She knew he'd underestimate her if they were alone.

Any chance of there being some sort of genetic work going on that matures people faster or keeps them from aging? I'm wondering if the "Other" that walked past Jin and Eko with the teddy bear was a matured version of the boy they took. And Goodwin was in the Peace Corps....perhaps 30 years ago and hasn't aged? And was Locke born on the island 25 years ago? Ah...to speculate.

At the Hanso Foundation website, there's a press release regarding Dharma's success in making an orangutan live to be 150.

I have to say that there were some weak points in the second group's plot. Why didn't the group keep someone awake during the night after they had already been attacked once? Why did it take AL so long to figure Goodwin out? Why didn't Goodwin fib a decent explanation for why he didn't end up in the water after the crash (Bernard didn't end up in the water). Why didn't she wait until they got back with the rest of the survivors before throwing accusations at him (Ekobesi could have taken care of him with one hand)? Where did all that dirt go when AL dug the pit and why did she dig it large enough to fit ten people when she only planned to imprison one? Good Points. Especially the pit she is digging. That is a pretty large whole that she dug with no real tools. It would have taken a pretty long time to dig that size whole, don't ya think? And only one person seemed to know she was doing all that digging? Seem like the other people in her group would have known.You guy's make me laugh...

From day 1, when they survived an airplane crash from 35,000 feet, you "suspend" all disbelief.

Oh man, I can't stand Michelle Rodgriquez. She always plays the same role in everything - a hard nosed tomboy with an attitutude. I wish they had not added her to the show.

I think this episode set the world record for most commercials & least show. We did'nt get any "extended show" we got 4 extra minutes for more commercials. I haven't timed it yet, but I'm guessing 35 minutes of actual show out of a 64 minute "episode".

Ana is even more annoying than before. I hope she gets killed next week.

About the Ekobisi being a priest theory, remember he was dressed in black pants and long sleeve white buttoned shirt, so I think thats a good theory.

He doesn't have a British accent either, it sounds like someone from Africa who speaks English, not a black guy from England.

Also there is no way Sawyer was originally hated as much as Anna. He gave us great lines like calling Michael and Jin "Han and Chewie" as well as great names for Kate and Shannon "Freckles" and "Sticks" and also "Short Round" for Walt.

Has anyone noticed how universally bad the acting is in LOST? Eko in mourning, for example, or Ana Lucia trying to cry. How about "find my boy" Michael? Or "it's not so bad" Libby? How about "what do you want from me?" Locke or Jack always crying about some faux pas. These people act like they're in a high school play, but why? Is it to give LOST a reality show feel? If it weren't for the tricky story line and the Oahu setting, LOST would have been lost after one season.


I don't find the acting on LOST to be subpar at all. It's quite fine. I certainly don't agree with your assessment of either the acting or the prediction of it's success...

Back to topic, I too was distressed that the group wouldn't have had SOMEONE stand watch while the others slept after being attacked. Made no sense...

Why did it take AL so long to figure Goodwin out? Why didn't Goodwin fib a decent explanation for why he didn't end up in the water after the crash (Bernard didn't end up in the water). This was really about the only thing in this ep that didn't really jive in my mind other than the usual "TV" stuff brought up (digs a giant hole in the dirt and jeans aren't hardly even dirty ;)). If Anna really didn't think Goodwin was from the plane at all from the beginning (because he was dry etc), why would she spend all the time on Nathan only (to the point of getting ready to start removing digits from his hands)? Otherwise I thought it was a very well done ep. They have done a great job of integrating the two groups' stories. No episodic TV show is going to be perfect, especially one of this scope, but LOST does a great job IMO.


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I have to say that there were some weak points in the second group's plot. Why didn't the group keep someone awake during the night after they had already been attacked once? Why did it take AL so long to figure Goodwin out? Why didn't Goodwin fib a decent explanation for why he didn't end up in the water after the crash (Bernard didn't end up in the water). Why didn't she wait until they got back with the rest of the survivors before throwing accusations at him (Ekobesi could have taken care of him with one hand)? Where did all that dirt go when AL dug the pit and why did she dig it large enough to fit ten people when she only planned to imprison one? [QUOTE]

Good Points. Especially the pit she is digging. That is a pretty large whole that she dug with no real tools. It would have taken a pretty long time to dig that size whole, don't ya think? And only one person seemed to know she was doing all that digging? Seem like the other people in her group would have known.


when I noticed this last night, I said to my wife, "how the heck did she dig out that hole and contruct the top of it within 2 days ?"

Remember everyone hated Sawyer early on in season 1. He was a world class a$$ hole. Now everyone loves him. I think the same will be true of Ana in season 2.Seeing how wrong she was in locking up Nathan and how quick a trigger she has, along with that edgy I-know-better-than-anyone-else attitude, I find it hard to believe a lot of people will ever love her. She'll have to get major humble or have an incredible backstory to change minds. It'll be interesting to see if the writers/producers can pull that off, if that's even their intent.

Back to topic, I too was distressed that the group wouldn't have had SOMEONE stand watch while the others slept after being attacked. Made no sense...but there are survivors from the plane's tail section that crashed into the ocean does?

Seeing how wrong she was in locking up Nathan and how quick a trigger she has, along with that edgy I-know-better-than-anyone-else attitude, I find it hard to believe a lot of people will ever love her. She'll have to get major humble or have an incredible backstory to change minds. It'll be interesting to see if the writers/producers can pull that off, if that's even their intent.Hey, Kate's a "bank-robber" but we all "love" her character!

Good Morning America Deleted Scene

We see Ana and the group with the children on the beach and they see a big crate float to shore. They run over to open it up, hoping to find food. They pop the top of the crate and its full of boomerangs.

The end.

when I noticed this last night, I said to my wife, "how the heck did she dig out that hole and contruct the top of it within 2 days ?"

Since the hole is so deep that a person cannot climb out of it, it would be impossible for her to get the dirt out if she was doing it alone.

Hey, Kate's a "bank-robber" but we all "love" her character!

'love her character' is not the same as 'love her in her underwear'. :D

'love her character' is not the same as 'love her in her underwear'. :Dand there is too precious little of that...

I think these "gals" need to have a good old-fashion mud-wrestling contest!

maybe during "sweeps" week? :)

Good Points. Especially the pit she is digging. That is a pretty large whole that she dug with no real tools. It would have taken a pretty long time to dig that size whole, don't ya think? And only one person seemed to know she was doing all that digging? Seem like the other people in her group would have known.

Especially because they can't even go to the bathroom w/o telling someone. ;)

Hey, Kate's a "bank-robber" but we all "love" her character!

Maybe if Ana Lucia would prance around in her panties we would grow to love her too!

Maybe if Ana Lucia would prance around in her panties we would grow to love her too!of course, I'm not adverse to the "wet T-shirt" look either! :D

Oh man, I can't stand Michelle Rodgriquez. She always plays the same role in everything - a hard nosed tomboy with an attitutude. I wish they had not added her to the show.


so is it that she's been typecasted as an actress, or does she just not have that much of actorial talent to be able to do a wide variety of roles ?

Riddle me this Batman, Ana Lucia claimed to know who was and who wasn't on the plane when questioning Nathan, yet she didn't recognize Jin, Michael nor Sawyer.

Riddle me this Batman, Ana Lucia claimed to know who was and who wasn't on the plane when questioning Nathan, yet she didn't recognize Jin, Michael nor Sawyer.

Nor did any of her comrades. Good catch.

Does anyone know how much an episode of Lost costs to make (not including the pilot ep)? I'm sure it's pretty expensive, so all the commercials they run are actually needed to pay to bring us this awesome series. So, while, I also don't like the commercials, I can tolerate them knowing I'm not personally shelling out any money for this "free" tv show. If there are too many for you, just record and watch later, or buy the DVD's when they come out. But, I don't feel it's too crazy for them to "extend" the episode to provide for extra sponsorship. After all, that is actually the only reason any tv show, movie, etc., is ever made for...$$$.

Was Goodwin the partner that Desmond talked about?

From day 1, when they survived an airplane crash from 35,000 feet, you "suspend" all disbelief.
That's not true. Every television show requires a degree of suspension of disbelief, even cop shows. The goal is to require as little suspension of disbelief as necessary otherwise you have a show with no rules. Audiences demand some rules if they're expected to follow and understand what they're seeing and hearing.

One thing that helps is attention to small details. 24 is good at this. Jack Bauer can get his butt kicked every hour and not need to go to the hospital but he can't talk on a cell phone when he has an earphone stuck in his ear. Shows that skip over small details just look sloppy.

So, Nathan is a bad person but Goodwin is a good one? And that's my useless comment of the day.