I don't know if it was mentioned, but didn't they mix up the words in Psalm 23?

I thought the part where they said "walk through the shadow of the valley of death" should actually be "walk through the valley of the shadow of death".

Is this intentional, or is it just two different versions of the Psalm, and I am used to the latter? Is the black smoke actually "the shadow"?????

The images within the black smoke were so faint, I doubt seriously if watching in SD you could pick it up.

The images within the black smoke were so faint, I doubt seriously if watching in SD you could pick it up.

Watching in HD I didn't pick it up, until I was made aware they were there, then they became apparent. Very subtle. Neat how the writers on this show seem to be writing for fans like us, knowing we're scrutinizing individual frames in slo-mo, playing things backwards, and researching all over the web.

So, Charlie has been "collecting" the drug-filled statues for awhile. At first, I thought Claire was overreacting by kicking Charlie out of her tent since he had reformed. I figured he was carrying a statue around with him to reinforce his conviction that the smack no longer had any power over him, and I don't think he's been using since he had the pow-wow with Locke.

Now, I don't know what to think. Although, it's possible this may signal the emergence of a new, dark storyline for Charlie. And if so, will the security system then sense he's no longer a "good person" and he'll be the next to die?

The black smoke and images within were so very cool & creepy; got goosebumps. Then re-ran the scene later and got 'em again! I'm down with the nanobot theory, and perhaps the Darma remote viewing station is involved with the "mind reading" within....?

The images within the black smoke were so faint, I doubt seriously if watching in SD you could pick it up.

My wife and I both noticed there seemed to be images of people in the smoke when we watched in HD. My HD DVR doesn't have a frame by frame advance, so the best I could do was watch it at 1/8 speed. I caught most of them by watching this way...

I then went to my SD TiVo, since it has a frame by frame advance function. I was able to see one more image there that I couldn't see before. It was all about the timing of the freeze frames in this case - not with the detail and clarity of HD...

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Now, I don't know what to think. Although, it's possible this may signal the emergence of a new, dark storyline for Charlie. And if so, will the security system then sense he's no longer a "good person" and he'll be the next to die?


Forgive my ignorance, as I have once again started reading this thread...

Is this the current theory about the island - that if you aren't a good person you are likely to die? What was it about Shannon and Boone that made them bad??

The island didn't kill Shannon - Anna-Lucia did. Even the awesome power of the island is no match for the deadly combination of a 9mm and PMS. ;)

The island didn't kill Shannon - Anna-Lucia did. Even the awesome power of the island is no match for the deadly combination of a 9mm and PMS. ;)
OK- I'll buy that. :D

What about Boone, though?

What I want to know is what was typed as Jack came in on Michael? All I got was "you need to co"

I think someone is messing with Michael's head...why else wouldn't he tell anyone else about his contact with walt? Seems strange to keep that to himself. Of course, they ALL seem to keep stupid secrects that come back to bite them in the butt, so why should he be any different?

So, I wonder when we find out how Eko got on the Island

So, Charlie has been "collecting" the drug-filled statues for awhile. At first, I thought Claire was overreacting by kicking Charlie out of her tent since he had reformed. I figured he was carrying a statue around with him to reinforce his conviction that the smack no longer had any power over him, and I don't think he's been using since he had the pow-wow with Locke.

Now, I don't know what to think. Although, it's possible this may signal the emergence of a new, dark storyline for Charlie. And if so, will the security system then sense he's no longer a "good person" and he'll be the next to die?

The black smoke and images within were so very cool & creepy; got goosebumps. Then re-ran the scene later and got 'em again! I'm down with the nanobot theory, and perhaps the Darma remote viewing station is involved with the "mind reading" within....?

Charlie is definitely heading towards the dark side...and when someone falls from grace they usually sink deeper than the first time around. We'll see. The more isolated he becomes, the more likely he is to start using again, which will make him more isolated, etc etc

So, I wonder when we find out how Eko got on the Island

You're not serious are you? Do you even watch the show? :p You're killing me!

You're not serious are you? Do you even watch the show? :p You're killing me!


LOL you beat me to it...

You're not serious are you? Do you even watch the show? :p You're killing me!

Not like that, I mean when he heard of the plane from Charlie it was like he knew it was on the Island..

OK- I'll buy that. :D

What about Boone, though?



Certainly, Boone did seem like a good person, usually trying to do the right thing and giving his sister a whole lot of slack. On the other hand, perhaps he lost his "goodness" when he failed to heed Locke's commands to get out of the plane - Locke seems to have been granted favored status by the Island.

On yet another hand, just brainstorming here, but maybe "good" doesn't necessarily mean virtuous. Maybe good in the Darma folks' world means a "good (re:appropriate) candidate" for experimentation or something....? Thus, if you're not a good candidate, there's no reason for you hang around and you can be offed.

Not like that, I mean when he heard of the plane from Charlie it was like he knew it was on the Island..


He didn't hear about the plane from Charlie...he KNEW the plane was on the island because of the statue full of heroin. He forced Charlie to admit it's existence and show it to him.

Not like that, I mean when he heard of the plane from Charlie it was like he knew it was on the Island..

Again, it seems you haven't watched the show closely. He knew the plane was on the island because he knew the ceramic virgin mary came from Nigeria.

I was guessing it would be, "You need to come here".

or "You need to comb your hair."

You're not serious are you? Do you even watch the show? :p You're killing me!
I think what Wasting meant was the circumstances that led Mr. Eko to board flight 815, but if you want to misinterpret what someone posted and then ridicule them for it, I guess that's your prerogative.

The island didn't kill Shannon - Anna-Lucia did. Even the awesome power of the island is no match for the deadly combination of a 9mm and PMS. ;)

And in Ana Lucia's case, the P in PMS stands for "perpetual."

Honestly, I'll feel a little cheated if the black smoke ends up being nano-particles. I don't want this to be a rip-off of a Michael Crichton book. I say that even though most of us have hypothesized things about the island based upon old movies, comic books, etc.

I think what Wasting meant was the circumstances that led Mr. Eko to board flight 815, but if you want to misinterpret what someone posted and then ridicule them for it, I guess that's your prerogative.

What ridicule? I meant he was killing me in a good way... but if you want to misinterpret, that too is your perogative ;)

or "You need to comb your hair."

LMAO :p

Honestly, I'll feel a little cheated if the black smoke ends up being nano-particles. I don't want this to be a rip-off of a Michael Crichton book. I say that even though most of us have hypothesized things about the island based upon old movies, comic books, etc.

Then the only other explanations are supernatural, where the rules of our physical world don't apply. I don't think they're moving in that direction and the producers have indicated such in interviews.

Besides, Crichton is hardly the only one who's postulated on airborne nanobot technology; he just wrote an entertaining novel loosely based on the scientific explorations of others involved in that field of study. It's what he does.

Agreed. I might take it one step further though. His brother said that merely signing a piece of paper wouldn't make Eko a priest.

I wonder if his encounter with the "black smoke whatever" was a way of confirming his "ordination" or his calling, based on the images seen in it.

What I took away was that it was his brother being shot that turned him around. The military man assumed he was a priest, and Eko decided to turn his life around at that moment, possibly taking his brother's place at the church. He knows too much about biblical history and scripture to have not spent several years involved in that lifestyle. And Locke did say the body from the plane had been there several years.

Also I don't think we can assume that Eko saw those images we saw. The camera goes around (through?) the smoke while we see those images - maybe we're seeing the smoke's POV of Eko. If the camera had gone around the back of Eko and we had seen the images then it probably would have been a sure bet that Eko saw them since the camera would have been from his perspective.

Then the only other explanations are supernatural, where the rules of our physical world don't apply...

Could be aliens or alien technology. I don't think that would qualify as "magic".

Honestly, I'll feel a little cheated if the black smoke ends up being nano-particles. I don't want this to be a rip-off of a Michael Crichton book. I say that even though most of us have hypothesized things about the island based upon old movies, comic books, etc.

Most everything is a rip-off of something. Solomon, one of the wisest men to ever live said in the book of Ecclesiastes 1:9 "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun."

Could be aliens or alien technology. I don't think that would qualify as "magic".

That's on after Lost - Invasion.

Also I don't think we can assume that Eko saw those images we saw. The camera goes around (through?) the smoke while we see those images - maybe we're seeing the smoke's POV of Eko. If the camera had gone around the back of Eko and we had seen the images then it probably would have been a sure bet that Eko saw them since the camera would have been from his perspective.

That's also a question I was going to ask: Were the images 'drawn' from Eko or 'shown' to Eko?

Fantastic episode!

Mr. Eko looked into the face of the "monster" and stared that f*cker down!!

This was mentioned already, but I agree that it was odd that Michael's computer screen was completely blank when Jack looked at it. Not even the prompt was there. It was as though it had never been turned on. Makes me think he was hallucinating the conversation with Walt.

OK- I'll buy that. :D

What about Boone, though?

Well, weren't Boone and Shannon getting it on, or at least Boone 'lusted' for his sister.

From a biblical standpoint, that would make him VERY BAD.

And it seems the show has swung in a biblical direction, no?

Well, weren't Boone and Shannon getting it on, or at least Boone 'lusted' for his sister.

From a biblical standpoint, that would make him VERY BAD.

And it seems the show has swung in a biblical direction, no?

Stepsister, don't think that counts. Although it's still a bit nasty.

They were only Step-Sister and Brother...

What I took away was that it was his brother being shot that turned him around. The military man assumed he was a priest, and Eko decided to turn his life around at that moment, possibly taking his brother's place at the church. He knows too much about biblical history and scripture to have not spent several years involved in that lifestyle. And Locke did say the body from the plane had been there several years.

Also I don't think we can assume that Eko saw those images we saw. The camera goes around (through?) the smoke while we see those images - maybe we're seeing the smoke's POV of Eko. If the camera had gone around the back of Eko and we had seen the images then it probably would have been a sure bet that Eko saw them since the camera would have been from his perspective.

To expand on that a little further, he referred to the dead gold-toothed drug-runner as "the man who saved my life". By kicking Eko off the plane, the drug runner permanently and instantly changed the direction of Ekobesi's life, and saved his life from a religious standpoint.

What was Locke's exact quote last season when he talked about seeing the monster- as best I can recollect it was something like "I looked into the eye of the island/monster, and what I saw was magic/beautiful". That would seem to indicate that Locke saw his past or something important projected in the smoke.

Fantastic episode!

Mr. Eko looked into the face of the "monster" and stared that f*cker down!!

This was mentioned already, but I agree that it was odd that Michael's computer screen was completely blank when Jack looked at it. Not even the prompt was there. It was as though it had never been turned on. Makes me think he was hallucinating the conversation with Walt.

I agree on both counts...Mr. Eko is one bad mofo, but he's even badder than we originally thought. I think Michael is being manipulated, but I'm not sure how. Is the computer 'alive' (A.I.)?

I agree with the statement someone made that Eko killed that first man in order to save his brother from having to do it (or being killed for not doing it). Everything he did after that was to stay alive in the life he was in. Once his brother was shot and he was accepted by the soldiers as a priest he saw a chance to reclaim the life he gave up and continue his brother's work.

Lost has a lot of different story lines going now, many that appear to be strongly interconnected. This includes the plane crash, the interconnected past of the survivors, the black cloud, the ship wreck, the “others”, the island bunkers and associated organization, not to mention the various love/hate interests between various parties.

When the dust settles at the end of the season (or show) there may be no real explanation at all for many of these. They may take the approach that was sometimes used in X-Files, and just explain nothing. This may be to their advantage, as any real explanation might have to depend on things too close to SciFi, and that would likely not help their future season viewership.

Ed

Now I have to wonder about which "black smoke" the French woman was warning the survivors about.

What happened to Michael's face? Seems very bloated, almost deformed!

They were only Step-Sister and Brother...

True, no different than Greg & Marsha Brady - and I don't think any of us would have blamed Greg for tapping that.

True, no different than Greg & Marsha Brady - and I don't think any of us would have blamed Greg for tapping that.

He did didn't he? Oh wait.... that was his Mom! Ewwww... :eek:

Fantastic episode!

Mr. Eko looked into the face of the "monster" and stared that f*cker down!!

This was mentioned already, but I agree that it was odd that Michael's computer screen was completely blank when Jack looked at it. Not even the prompt was there. It was as though it had never been turned on. Makes me think he was hallucinating the conversation with Walt.


I just assumed that the blank screen was the result of the screen saver.

What happened to Michael's face? Seems very bloated, almost deformed!

I noticed that too. It may just be his beard is getting kind of nasty. Or maybe he's been hitting the buffet on set with Jorge a little too often.

Why did the guy with the gold tooth kick Eko off the plane? Was it to save him, or because he was mad at him because his brother brought the police?

I tend to think that Michael was hallucinating the messages with Walt on the computer. In the Hanso film, they state to never use the terminal for anything but the numbers. You'd think that if Michael was really typing away to Walt, that some alarm would have gone off, or something else would have happened.

It seems like Smokey the monster may do a mind-meld on it's victims. Locke saying it's wonderful, maybe while Smokey is reading the victim's thoughts and dreams from the past, it makes the victim see the same thing and see the errors of their ways. I'm sure Eko saw the same but, as always, expressed no emotion.

I just assumed that the blank screen was the result of the screen saver.

The screen saver on that monitor is the "OFF" button.

Why did the guy with the gold tooth kick Eko off the plane? Was it to save him, or because he was mad at him because his brother brought the police?

I think it was a combination of his brother bringing the army/police, as well as the fact that he could keep the $$$ from the drugsale for himself instead of sharing with Eko

The screen saver on that monitor is the "OFF" button.

Yeah, I thought maybe they were just using creative license. Although I have used some very old dumb terminals that just plain blank the screen. I'm not talking flying toasters here....

Why did the guy with the gold tooth kick Eko off the plane? Was it to save him, or because he was mad at him because his brother brought the police?


I felt it was to leave him holding the bag when the soldiers arrived.

Eko felt he saved him, because if he hadn't we would have stayed on the plane and died when it crashed, and he would also have stayed evil.

Almost everybody on the Island has done something in their past that was not very nice.

I think they have all died and they are now in a type of Purgatory where they have to atone for their sins and come over to the good side.

The children are being taken since they are all innocent and have not done anything wrong. They have gone on to heaven.

The black smoke monster could be the devil and since Eko has accepted God, the devil can no longer harm him. At the end of the show he even talks about having no fear of evil. I think Locke is also no longer afraid since he has become of man of faith.

After all have atone for their sins they will be saved.

I haven't figured out what the putting the #s into the computer and the bunkers are for.

The creator / writers have already shot down the dead in purgatory theory.

And I'm not bothered by the blank screen. It could either clear itself after a couple of minutes of no input or set to time out and go into a power save mode. Or maybe Michael happens to be a fast typist and hit CLS when Jack entered the room.

Why is Michael keeping his presumed communication with Walt a secret? He didn't see the film warning Dharma employees to not to use the terminal for anything but the numbers yet he knows he shouldn't be doing that. He should have started yelling to everyone "My boy! I've found my boy in a chat room! We've got to find him!" Instead Jack didn't press Michael on why he was staring at a blank screen. Obviously he's planning a one-man rescue Walt operation.

I like the idea of the room being monitored and Michael being manipulated. That has lots of potential plots for other Lostaways.

The creator / writers have already shot down the dead in purgatory theory.

And I'm not bothered by the blank screen. It could either clear itself after a couple of minutes of no input or set to time out and go into a power save mode. Or maybe Michael happens to be a fast typist and hit CLS when Jack entered the room....or he quickly powered off the monitor. It's refreshing the writers don't insult us by using that fakey computer sound effect that is used in every tv show and movie when text is being typed on the screen.

He did didn't he? Oh wait.... that was his Mom! Ewwww... :eek:

No, no... his step-mon... again a bit nasty.

Why did the guy with the gold tooth kick Eko off the plane? Was it to save him, or because he was mad at him because his brother brought the police?

or he could have thought that Eko and his brother called the cops.

I felt it was to leave him holding the bag when the soldiers arrived.

Eko felt he saved him, because if he hadn't we would have stayed on the plane and died when it crashed, and he would also have stayed evil.

I thought it was to keep the weight down on the plane. There was a prominent sign in the cargo area that said max. weight was 500 lbs. Now I may be giving a drug runner too much credit for that kind of quick thinking but it was what flashed by my mind when it happened. It was a 2-seater plane and 300 Mary's with coke would probably not get off the ground with a heavy Eko aboard.

I also thought "Michael got the message" of the ban on communications from the terminal, just judging from his reactions when Jack came in and was talking with him. He looked more petrified that Jack might find out what he was doing than scared about the implications of "locating" Walt.

Almost everybody on the Island has done something in their past that was not very nice.

I think they have all died and they are now in a type of Purgatory where they have to atone for their sins and come over to the good side.

The children are being taken since they are all innocent and have not done anything wrong. They have gone on to heaven.

The black smoke monster could be the devil and since Eko has accepted God, the devil can no longer harm him. At the end of the show he even talks about having no fear of evil. I think Locke is also no longer afraid since he has become of man of faith.

After all have atone for their sins they will be saved.

I haven't figured out what the putting the #s into the computer and the bunkers are for.

Although you are obviously new to this conversation and wrong about purgatory but I believe you are correct in your observations of the show relating things to heaven and hell, God and the devil, good and evil, ying and yang, black and white, etc... This show is definitely a result of the massive success of the Mel Gibson movie The Passion of the Christ.

I think they have all died and they are now in a type of Purgatory.....The writers have said many times in several interviews that the castaways are not in purgatory.

I thought it was to keep the weight down on the plane.I thought that might be the case but why dint he throw his Eko's brother's corpse off the plane?

That ep was a thing of beauty. Way back when, when it became apparent (and the principles of the show told us) that the story was not going to be based on elements of magic/fantasy, I was a little disappointed. But so far they are doing such a good job of it within the confines of science that I just can't complain. I'll still be interested to find the explanation for the passengers surviving the plane crash but as it's been proceeding, I now think they'll somehow even come up with something plausible enough to satisfy me for that. It's been so well done and tightly integrated to this point that it's just a pleasure to watch it unfold. My only reservation is that I hope they have the balls/clout with the network to ultimately let the show run it's own course and not try to extend it way beyond it's natural conclusion just because it's become such a cash cow. Based on what they've done already, it would be a real shame and unbefitting if they try to drag it on until it just loses steam and peters out like most shows do.

PS: I don't think LOST has been influenced by passion of the christ at all. It's way too good for that.


ron

PS: I don't think LOST has been influenced by passion of the christ at all. It's way too good for that.


ron

I hate to be the one to tell you ron, but LOST is full of Christian references and before TPotC name me one Christian referencing show.

Wait, are you saying Lost is better than Jesus? :p

No, no... his step-mon... again a bit nasty.

You people have obviously never read "The Erotic Adventures Of The Brady Bunch"!

When the dust settles at the end of the season (or show) there may be no real explanation at all for many of these. They may take the approach that was sometimes used in X-Files, and just explain nothing. This may be to their advantage, as any real explanation might have to depend on things too close to SciFi, and that would likely not help their future season viewership.

There seems to be a conscious effort from all the writers and producers to not let this ship go down like The X-Files did. Lost does ask a lot of questions, but it also provides answers to some of those questions (like revealing the "monster" last night) while asking new ones (like now that we've seen it what the heck is the "monster"?).

The X-Files never provided any answers. It was just questions upon questions upon questions, which soon started contradicting one another until it eventually became apparent that none of the creators ever had any idea what the answers might be.

I thought that might be the case but why dint he throw his Eko's brother's corpse off the plane?

Because he was too busy flying it? No co-pilot to grab the controls for him.

A better question is how did that little plane get all the way from Nigeria to the South Pacific? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that seems like a considerably greater distance than that type of plane would have the range for.

When Locke and Boone found the drug plane last season, and Boone climbed up to it, wasn't there bloody hand prints on the inside of the cabin door? If so, then the writers knew last season what they wanted to show us this season.

Fantastic episode!

Mr. Eko looked into the face of the "monster" and stared that f*cker down!!
Yes, but so did Locke, remember? And afterwards, Locke no longer thought it was a monster. In fact, when it was pulling him into that hole, he said he knew it wasn't going to hurt him. He's also referred to it as "beautiful" (or something similar.)

Could it be the black smoke is showing people their true self or perhaps their destiny? Both Locke and Ecko had similar reactions to their encounters...

When Locke and Boone found the drug plane last season, and Boone climbed up to it, wasn't there bloody hand prints on the inside of the cabin door? If so, then the writers knew last season what they wanted to show us this season.

Oh yea! I remember that... :eek:

or he could have thought that Eko and his brother called the cops.

I was thinking their was an off chance that the guy with the gold tooth was trying to do Eko a favor. Knowing that this could be his "way out". I already deleted it, so I couldn't get a good look at the gold-tooth guys face to see if he had a look of anger or sympathy.

I was thinking their was an off chance that the guy with the gold tooth was trying to do Eko a favor. Knowing that this could be his "way out". I already deleted it, so I couldn't get a good look at the gold-tooth guys face to see if he had a look of anger or sympathy.

I just checked. It was actually a look of discomfort.

When Locke and Boone found the drug plane last season, and Boone climbed up to it, wasn't there bloody hand prints on the inside of the cabin door? If so, then the writers knew last season what they wanted to show us this season.

Lending all the more credence to the assumption that the writers aren't just "winging it" but have a meticulous long-term plan storyboarded out for the show. I've been very impressed at the number of clues back in season 1 that have already paid off here in season 2.

To expand on that a little further, he referred to the dead gold-toothed drug-runner as "the man who saved my life". By kicking Eko off the plane, the drug runner permanently and instantly changed the direction of Ekobesi's life, and saved his life from a religious standpoint.
He also saved his life because if he'd been on the plane, he'd be a corpse just like gold-tooth...So, he saved his life in several ways.

Why did the guy with the gold tooth kick Eko off the plane? Was it to save him, or because he was mad at him because his brother brought the police?
Because he's a crook and wanted to steal the plane full of heroin and re-sell it himself.

I still am curious to see how a small plane from Nigeria ended up somewhere even remotely near the flight path of a plane from Syndey to L.A. Even if that plane was off course.

I hate to be the one to tell you ron, but LOST is full of Christian references and before TPotC name me one Christian referencing show.

Wait, are you saying Lost is better than Jesus? :p
God, The Devil, and Bob.
Little House on the Prairy.
7th Heaven.
etc...

God, The Devil, and Bob.
Little House on the Prairy.
7th Heaven.
etc...

Ok, but are those show's in the same catagory as Lost? Those are more Family oriented (well except for God, The Devil and Bob) while Lost isn't exactly for children sort of like TPotC.

Ok, maybe I'm talking out of my a$$! :p

I dont think Ecko's "friend" with the gold tooth kicked him out to save him, literally. We never met the guy in this episode, and didnt learn anything about him other than seeing him slam a bag of heroine onto the table in the restaurant. So it would be silly to make us think he did it for Ecko's own good, since they never showed us any reason to believe he was a good guy. I mean, if he wanted to do good, he would have left the brother, so the military could have gotten him medical attention. Instead, he took the brother, maybe as collateral, maybe cuz he knew he would die and the friend could keep all the drugs and/or the profit from the sale of the drugs. Maybe he was afraid Ecko would, once they got out of the country, turn on him or turn righteous and have a change of heart and want to destroy the drugs or something. But i seriously doubt he kicked Ecko away from the plane so that Ecko could change his ways and lead a new good life.

He turned on him, plain and simple.

The island didn't kill Shannon - Anna-Lucia did. Even the awesome power of the island is no match for the deadly combination of a 9mm and PMS.OK- I'll buy that. :D What about Boone, though?
The [Island, guiding forces here, or remote viewers, etc.] did not have to directly act to cause the event. I think that [it/they] could have set the conditions for Shannon to die as much as they did for Boone or anything else. The whispers adding to the tension in Anna's group, permitting the visions of Walt increasing the tension in Shannon, etc. could all be part of the manipulation to create an [accident]. The recent [manipulation] of Michael could be setting up the next culling.

v/r,
C-F

Although you are obviously new to this conversation and wrong about purgatory but I believe you are correct in your observations of the show relating things to heaven and hell, God and the devil, good and evil, ying and yang, black and white, etc... This show is definitely a result of the massive success of the Mel Gibson movie The Passion of the Christ.

I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but assuming you are, you're wrong. PotC did not even premiere until February 25, 2004 (see the IMDB). The pilot for Lost finished shooting in April 2004, and had been in the phases of script writing and casting and was greenlit as a pilot well before PotC was ever released. So, no, Lost was not the "result" of PotC. Nor, frankly, is it obviously religious enough to satisfy that audience.

The producers and creators have said since the beginning that one of their favorite books and a source of considerable influence on Lost in Stephen King's The Stand, which obviously has religion and spirituality as its main thread.

I hate to be the one to tell you ron, but LOST is full of Christian references and before TPotC name me one Christian referencing show.

Lost is full of references about good and evil, which I hate to tell you? Christianity does not own. The specifically Christian references are not all that many, nor are they literal and obvious enough to make it a show that would appeal to an audience looking for specifically religious material.

"Christian referencing shows" that started before 2004... hrm, off the top of my head? How about Seventh Heaven, Six Feet Under, Little House on the Prarie, Father Murphy, Touched by an Angel, Amen, Christy, Miracles, Judging Amy, MASH, Father Dowling Mysteries... and I'm sure I could come up with a few hundred more if I gave it some thought.

And I would certainly include Joan of Arcadia -- the mother's search for her Catholic identity was a major storyline that ran throughout that show.

Back to last night, I think it's interesting that the only major character who doesn't appear at all is Sayid. I'm not sure of it's implications, but I thought it was interesting.

I dont think Ecko's "friend" with the gold tooth kicked him out to save him, literally. We never met the guy in this episode, and didnt learn anything about him other than seeing him slam a bag of heroine onto the table in the restaurant. So it would be silly to make us think he did it for Ecko's own good, since they never showed us any reason to believe he was a good guy. I mean, if he wanted to do good, he would have left the brother, so the military could have gotten him medical attention. Instead, he took the brother, maybe as collateral, maybe cuz he knew he would die and the friend could keep all the drugs and/or the profit from the sale of the drugs. Maybe he was afraid Ecko would, once they got out of the country, turn on him or turn righteous and have a change of heart and want to destroy the drugs or something. But i seriously doubt he kicked Ecko away from the plane so that Ecko could change his ways and lead a new good life.
It might be something simple like too many people on board for a getaway takeoff...

Ed

Back to last night, I think it's interesting that the only major character who doesn't appear at all is Sayid. I'm not sure of it's implications, but I thought it was interesting.

I think it's just the inevitable implications of such a large cast that not everyone can be a part of every episode. We've seen very little of Sayid this season, hardly any of Claire, precious little of Hurley or Kate (who at least got backstory episodes), or Charlie up until last night. Locke, too, seems to be off the radar screens for the most part so far. And the cast is larger this year, too, which also cuts into screen time for the principal characters.

Seems like last year more of the regulars had at least bit parts in almost each episode. This year, not so much. On the other hand, that means the lucky actors have more time off to enjoy the greatest paid vacation in the world! :D

yah... getting arrested and put in jail sounds like a great way to spend your off-the-screen time :)

I think it's just the inevitable implications of such a large cast that not everyone can be a part of every episode. We've seen very little of Sayid this season, hardly any of Claire, precious little of Hurley or Kate (who at least got backstory episodes), or Charlie up until last night. Locke, too, seems to be off the radar screens for the most part so far. And the cast is larger this year, too, which also cuts into screen time for the principal characters.

Seems like last year more of the regulars had at least bit parts in almost each episode. This year, not so much. On the other hand, that means the lucky actors have more time off to enjoy the greatest paid vacation in the world! :D

Evangeline Lilly addressed just this issue on GMA this week. She said the first season was very tiring (all-consuming), and in the 2nd season when the "tailies" arrived it gave the regulars a welcome bit of a break.

I was thinking their was an off chance that the guy with the gold tooth was trying to do Eko a favor. Knowing that this could be his "way out". I already deleted it, so I couldn't get a good look at the gold-tooth guys face to see if he had a look of anger or sympathy.

I think Gold Tooch pushed ecko out because of greed. He took his chance to grab the dope and sell it all for himself.

So I went back and watched the beech craft episode where Boone climbed up there and the plane fell, anyway there was no bloody hand print on the inside of the door. Then I watched the new episode and realised that the writers had it so the plane in the new episode was facing the other way so it was loaded from the other side/door. Locke said there were 2 hatch's (doors) on a plane to Sayid back in season 1 so this is pretty good writing considering they knew we'd go back to check.

Michael sees what he wants most on the screen, his son. Jack didn't see anything because he didn't expect to see anything. That's my 02 bits that will soon be proven wrong.

As far as the black cloud? It's obviously made up of the psychic energies from all the crazed Lost fans. The characters the fans like will live, those that they don't will die and end up on UPN - now that's true purgatory.

It's been a long time but I remember reading this one Stephen King short story called something like The Raft where there was this crazy black thing in the water that kind of made it self into whatever the viewer wanted to see to attract them then killed them. That kind of seems like a part of this black smoke too. That combined with Prey (nanotech) seems about right at this stage. I'm sure they will make it into something else down the road but with the personalized images inside the smoke that's what it seemed like to me.

What was Locke's exact quote last season when he talked about seeing the monster- as best I can recollect it was something like "I looked into the eye of the island/monster, and what I saw was magic/beautiful". That would seem to indicate that Locke saw his past or something important projected in the smoke.

I think it's just the inevitable implications of such a large cast that not everyone can be a part of every episode. We've seen very little of Sayid this season, hardly any of Claire, precious little of Hurley or Kate (who at least got backstory episodes), or Charlie up until last night. Locke, too, seems to be off the radar screens for the most part so far. And the cast is larger this year, too, which also cuts into screen time for the principal characters.
I remember at the end of last season, reading reports that Naveen Andres (Sayid) was asking for a new contract. Evidently he was getting paid less than the other principals, yet his character had changed from what was originally going to be a smaller role, into one of the mains. Shades of Rob Lowe/West Wing. Does anyone know the status of those talks? Did he get a new contract? If not, could it be they're reducing his role because of the strife?

I don't care if they've denied the purgatory plot, I think that explanation is very close to the truth.

I know this is old, but I just noticed this last night during the Revelations episode. But Rose's husband was in the seat up in the tree right? But they were seperated because he had gone to the bathroom (this is what she told Jack.) So if he was in the bathroom, how did he end up in a seat?

didn't I see Sayid in the upcoming previews for next week ?

The creator / writers have already shot down the dead in purgatory theory.

And I'm not bothered by the blank screen. It could either clear itself after a couple of minutes of no input or set to time out and go into a power save mode. Or maybe Michael happens to be a fast typist and hit CLS when Jack entered the room.


I believe there is no communication on the terminal at all. Michael is just being influenced by his madness.

I know this is old, but I just noticed this last night during the Revelations episode. But Rose's husband was in the seat up in the tree right? But they were seperated because he had gone to the bathroom (this is what she told Jack.) So if he was in the bathroom, how did he end up in a seat?

He probably came out of the bathroom and grabbed the first seat available like Charlie did. When Rose said he had gone to the bathroom she looked towards the back of the plane hence him being in the tail section instead.

The [Island, guiding forces here, or remote viewers, etc.] did not have to directly act to cause the event. I think that [it/they] could have set the conditions for Shannon to die as much as they did for Boone or anything else. The whispers adding to the tension in Anna's group, permitting the visions of Walt increasing the tension in Shannon, etc. could all be part of the manipulation to create an [accident]. The recent [manipulation] of Michael could be setting up the next culling.

v/r,
C-FThe one thing I've thought about as I've seen it a few times now is the fact that the last "vision" of Walt that Shannon/Syid saw was of him actually telling them to be quiet with the finger to the mouth "shushing" gesture (which of course, the hysterical Shannon paid no attention to, ran off screaming and ultimately caused her death). The apparitions of Walt have so far all seemed to be warnings of some sort (don't push the button-button's bad, the shushing, etc). The thing with Michael and "the button" terminal seems different to me though. At this point I think we're seeing two different things going on there, where one could actually be Walt trying to reach them, while the other might not necessarily be....


ron

Most everything is a rip-off of something. Solomon, one of the wisest men to ever live said in the book of Ecclesiastes 1:9 "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun."

Ah...very good point. And a very appropriate reference to the Bible given the storyline last night.

He probably came out of the bathroom and grabbed the first seat available like Charlie did. When Rose said he had gone to the bathroom she looked towards the back of the plane hence him being in the tail section instead.


IDK I guess that is possible, but if he had time to find a seat, and strap himself in, dont you think he would have tried to get to his wife?

Ah...very good point. And a very appropriate reference to the Bible given the storyline last night.


And of course the titles of both episodes last night were biblical.

I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but assuming you are, you're wrong. PotC did not even premiere until February 25, 2004 (see the IMDB). The pilot for Lost finished shooting in April 2004, and had been in the phases of script writing and casting and was greenlit as a pilot well before PotC was ever released. So, no, Lost was not the "result" of PotC. Nor, frankly, is it obviously religious enough to satisfy that audience.

The producers and creators have said since the beginning that one of their favorite books and a source of considerable influence on Lost in Stephen King's The Stand, which obviously has religion and spirituality as its main thread.



Lost is full of references about good and evil, which I hate to tell you? Christianity does not own. The specifically Christian references are not all that many, nor are they literal and obvious enough to make it a show that would appeal to an audience looking for specifically religious material.

"Christian referencing shows" that started before 2004... hrm, off the top of my head? How about Seventh Heaven, Six Feet Under, Little House on the Prarie, Father Murphy, Touched by an Angel, Amen, Christy, Miracles, Judging Amy, MASH, Father Dowling Mysteries... and I'm sure I could come up with a few hundred more if I gave it some thought.

And I would certainly include Joan of Arcadia -- the mother's search for her Catholic identity was a major storyline that ran throughout that show.


The Matrix movies as Christian allegory seem more like an influence on LOST than those TV shows.

He probably came out of the bathroom and grabbed the first seat available like Charlie did. When Rose said he had gone to the bathroom she looked towards the back of the plane hence him being in the tail section instead.
All of the bathrooms in the coach section of the L-1011 are in the middle back of the plane.

But I still don't get which seat Charlie ended up it. It seemed like he ran into one of the first class bathrooms in the front of the plane since that's why he went with Jack and Kate to find the front of the plane (and the smack his stuck in the bathroom), but if he had belted into a first class seat, he would have crashed in this section of the plane too.

The Matrix movies as Christian allegory seem more like an influence on LOST than those TV shows.

I don't disagree with that at all -- but the OP didn't ask for other influences on the show (of which there are many), just for "Christian referencing TV shows" before PotC, so that's what I gave him. :) I don't think any of those shows has anything to do with Lost on a larger level.

All of the bathrooms in the coach section of the L-1011 are in the middle back of the plane.

But I still don't get which seat Charlie ended up it. It seemed like he ran into one of the first class bathrooms in the front of the plane since that's why he went with Jack and Kate to find the front of the plane (and the smack his stuck in the bathroom), but if he had belted into a first class seat, he would have crashed in this section of the plane too.

I thought about that too, he definitely went up to the first class bathrooms because they looked really luxurious. Plus the bathroom in the episode where he went to get his smack back was right behind the cockpit so it must have been first class. Then again Cindy ended up in the back of the plane in an even shorter amount of time so who knows?

It might be something simple like too many people on board for a getaway takeoff...

Ed

I think people are overthinking this a bit. The guy tried to screw Eko over. But as a result of that action, Eko began a new life. That wasn't the intention of the flunky, he just wanted to screw over Eko (probably blamed him for the deal going bad).

I believe there is no communication on the terminal at all. Michael is just being influenced by his madness.

I think there is some type of communication going on with the terminal. That's why the orientation film warns not to use it for anything else. They've had this problem before?

I remember a theory that somone had a while ago regarding the countdown/number entry keeping the "monster" away. I find it interesting that we haven't seen the monster in a while, at least since the survivors have been entering the numbers, and now when Michael starts messing with the computer the monster shows up again. Coincidence?

BTW, what ever happened to Desmond?

Speaking of Desmond.

Was that other priest really Eko's brother, or was he just calling him brother like Desmond called everyone brother? I just thought it was "brother" as in the fellowship of priests, or the fellowship of black catholic priests, or something like that.

Oh wow, they were actually fathers (priests) too, so they were father and brother!

;)

Speaking of Desmond. Was that other priest really Eko's brother, or was he just calling him brother like Desmond called everyone brother? I just thought it was "brother" as in the fellowship of priests, or the fellowship of black catholic priests, or something like that.
Oh wow, they were actually fathers (priests) too, so they were father and brother!
;)

The first guy he found under the parachute he never said was his brother. He said he 'saved his life' by kicking him out of the plane, because if he was on that plane he would have died like him in the crash onto the island. The second body he found on the plane we know was his actual brother because of the cross on his chest that originally belonged to Eko and went to his brother after Eko (as a kid) shot the priest at the gang initiation.

The first guy he found under the parachute he never said was his brother. He said he 'saved his life' by kicking him out of the plane, because if he was on that plane he would have died like him in the crash onto the island. The second body he found on the plane we know was his actual brother because of the cross on his chest that originally belonged to Eko and went to his brother after Eko (as a kid) shot the priest at the gang initiation.

I was referring to him calling him brother in the church earlier.

But ok it was his real brother then. I somehow missed that entire intiation and cross thing, I have to go back and look.

Yeah, I thought maybe they were just using creative license. Although I have used some very old dumb terminals that just plain blank the screen. I'm not talking flying toasters here....
Ah, flying toasters.....that brings back memories - "After Dark" screensavers from Berkely Systems. Are those guys still in business?

But ok it was his real brother then. I somehow missed that entire intiation and cross thing, I have to go back and look.
You definitely need to watch the beginning of the episode, then. That part is crucial to Ecko's entire storyline. A very important scene...

Ah, flying toasters.....that brings back memories - "After Dark" screensavers from Berkely Systems. Are those guys still in business?
They've been gone since around 2000 or so. Their last claim to fame was the game "You Don't Know Jack", which was actually really fun. It's amazing how long they were able to milk the whole After Dark screensaver bit, though, even after Win95/98 came out with built-in screen savers.

As far as the black cloud? It's obviously made up of the psychic energies from all the crazed Lost fans. The characters the fans like will live, those that they don't will die and end up on UPN - now that's true purgatory.

Can't be true or Ana-Lucia would be dead by now!

Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but with the "others" still out there, I'm surprised they have no problem with firing rifles out in the jungle, or burning the plane leaving a huge smoke plume.

Also, what's up with no mention of the "monster" when they get back to camp?

Haven't you noticed, nobody tells anybody anything on this island.

Surprised no one has started discussing the scenes from next week: "This is OUR island". Creepy!

Yes, but so did Locke, remember? And afterwards, Locke no longer thought it was a monster. In fact, when it was pulling him into that hole, he said he knew it wasn't going to hurt him. He's also referred to it as "beautiful" (or something similar.)

When Locke saw the "monster" he regarded it with open-eyed wonder, like he was eager to know what it was and not afraid of it hurting him. When Eko saw it, it was like he was staring into the face of the devil, and the devil flinched.

When Locke saw the "monster" he regarded it with open-eyed wonder, like he was eager to know what it was and not afraid of it hurting him. When Eko saw it, it was like he was staring into the face of the devil, and the devil flinched.
True, but it did seem to bring him peace in the end. When asked again if he was a priest, he finally answered "Yes."

The first guy he found under the parachute he never said was his brother. He said he 'saved his life' by kicking him out of the plane, because if he was on that plane he would have died like him in the crash onto the island. The second body he found on the plane we know was his actual brother because of the cross on his chest that originally belonged to Eko and went to his brother after Eko (as a kid) shot the priest at the gang initiation.


When he said he saved his life, I think he meant that he saved him from the life he was living and the inevitable death it would lead to.

When Locke saw the "monster" he regarded it with open-eyed wonder, like he was eager to know what it was and not afraid of it hurting him. When Eko saw it, it was like he was staring into the face of the devil, and the devil flinched.
I agree, with Eko there was not even a hint of fear, unlike Locke who did seem to have a degree of fear about him when he saw the "monster". From what I have seen so far, Eko is by far the strongest/stablest personality of the whole group.

Haven't you noticed, nobody tells anybody anything on this island.
Ain't that the truth.

I agree, with Eko there was not even a hint of fear, unlike Locke who did seem to have a degree of fear about him when he saw the "monster". From what I have seen so far, Eko is by far the strongest/stablest personality of the whole group.

When he's not slashing throats of course :-)

When he's not slashing throats of course :-)
Even then, he is very decisive, knows what he is doing and does it. I can see Eko and Locke becoming close and be a very strong force amongst the group of survivors. Jack seems weak compared to these guys.

Originally Posted by rdwalt
Most everything is a rip-off of something. Solomon, one of the wisest men to ever live said in the book of Ecclesiastes 1:9 "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun."

Like Battlestar Galactica, "All this has happened before...."

Even then, he is very decisive, knows what he is doing and does it. I can see Eko and Locke becoming close and be a very strong force amongst the group of survivors. Jack seems weak compared to these guys.

Here is to hoping that Jack stays on the sidelines.

True, but it did seem to bring him peace in the end. When asked again if he was a priest, he finally answered "Yes."

Notice how evasive he was to Charlie when he was asked if he were a priest. I agree with previous posts that he may have been "acting" in the role of a priest as a result of the plane incident.

However, it seems as if the encounter with "Smokey" sealed it in his heart. It went from the "what you do (like a job)" realm to the "who you are" one.

When he said he saved his life, I think he meant that he saved him from the life he was living and the inevitable death it would lead to.

I agree with your analysis.

IDK I guess that is possible, but if he had time to find a seat, and strap himself in, dont you think he would have tried to get to his wife?
i am sure he thought about it, but in reality with a plane breaking up, cmon.

The images within the black smoke were so faint, I doubt seriously if watching in SD you could pick it up.I (barely) saw them in SD, just like the 'Dharma-shark' (though I do have a newly installed HD card in my computer.... now needing a prcssr upgrade). Couldn't shake the feeling that Ecko sent Charlie up the tree not only to locate the plane, but save his life as well. He seemed to sense an impending doom (smoke).

I agree, with Eko there was not even a hint of fear, unlike Locke who did seem to have a degree of fear about him when he saw the "monster". From what I have seen so far, Eko is by far the strongest/stablest personality of the whole group.
You also have to remember that Eko was "Supposed" to be taken by the others along with the "good" or "innocent" children. He fought back and killed two others instead of being taken away.

The apparitions of Walt have so far all seemed to be warnings of some sort (don't push the button-button's bad, the shushing, etc). The thing with Michael and "the button" terminal seems different to me though. At this point I think we're seeing two different things going on there, where one could actually be Walt trying to reach them, while the other might not necessarily be....Understood and do not disagree, however [the threat] might anticipate the actions of a survivor and permit them even if they were intended to thwart [it] because the actual effect is beneficial to [it]. Shannon would not have gone running if Walt had not told her to be quiet and still...

Of course [the threat] could have simply let Walt think he was helping when [it] was really manipulating Walt's messages by reversing them - creating the effect [it] wanted...

v/r,
C-F

You also have to remember that Eko was "Supposed" to be taken by the others along with the "good" or "innocent" children. He fought back and killed two others instead of being taken away.

How ironic... Hey, let's take the big guy - he's good. AHHHHHGGG!!! HE KILLED US!

RE: Gold tooth kicking out Eko...

I just checked. It was actually a look of discomfort.

I think gold tooth had gas and was just trying to save Eko from having to sit in that little cabin with him.

Seriously, though. I agree that gold tooth kicked Eko off the plane to keep the money from the H, and to give the army something to slow them down (in his mind, a conspirator). And by doing so, he saved Eko from his life.

On an unrelated subject - given the little scene between the two of them, I wonder if anything is going to develop between Libby and Hurley. You know, the clinical psychiatrist (or is she a psychologist?) and the released mental patient...

You also have to remember that Eko was "Supposed" to be taken by the others along with the "good" or "innocent" children. He fought back and killed two others instead of being taken away.

Actually, there were two abductions. The first targeted big, healthy guys - the threats and potential defenders, if you will. The second abduction was where they took the "good" people and the children. Eko was a target of the first abduction, not the second.

...

On an unrelated subject - given the little scene between the two of them, I wonder if anything is going to develop between Libby and Hurley. You know, the clinical psychiatrist (or is she a psychologist?) and the released mental patient...

Yeah. Maybe the island has cast the Shallow Hal spell or whatever it was that happened to Jack Black in the movie "Shallow Hal" where Libby only sees the inner beauty of people. :D

Actually, there were two abductions. The first targeted big, healthy guys - the threats and potential defenders, if you will. The second abduction was where they took the "good" people and the children. Eko was a target of the first abduction, not the second.
Which makes the point of their first attack unclear. Was Ekobesi the only tough guy left after the first attack?

That brings us back to "Why the hell didn't they protect themselves better after the first attack?" They were all sleeping like babies when the second attack started. I would have slept all day and been up all night next to a pile of rocks waking Eko up whenever I heard a noise.

Yeah. Maybe the island has cast the Shallow Hal spell or whatever it was that happened to Jack Black in the movie "Shallow Hal" where Libby only sees the inner beauty of people. :D

Somehow I doubt Tony Robbins is involved with the Dharma project...

On an unrelated subject - given the little scene between the two of them, I wonder if anything is going to develop between Libby and Hurley. You know, the clinical psychiatrist (or is she a psychologist?) and the released mental patient...
My rommate and I both thought the same thing. While that scene was happening, I said "Hurley's going to get laid!"

Which makes the point of their first attack unclear. Was Ekobesi the only tough guy left after the first attack?

That brings us back to "Why the hell didn't they protect themselves better after the first attack?" They were all sleeping like babies when the second attack started. I would have slept all day and been up all night next to a pile of rocks waking Eko up whenever I heard a noise.

Or at least set a rotating nightwatch? That was pretty dumb of them.

Or at least set a rotating nightwatch? That was pretty dumb of them.

What more could you expect of them. After all they are only Tail-Enders. :)

All it will take for Libby to dig Hurly is knowledge of his lottery experience. :)

Mark

Yeah. Maybe the island has cast the Shallow Hal spell or whatever it was that happened to Jack Black in the movie "Shallow Hal" where Libby only sees the inner beauty of people. :D

I (barely) saw them in SD, just like the 'Dharma-shark' (though I do have a newly installed HD card in my computer.... now needing a prcssr upgrade). Couldn't shake the feeling that Ecko sent Charlie up the tree not only to locate the plane, but save his life as well. He seemed to sense an impending doom (smoke).To see them you have to go slo-mo frame by frame..

You also have to remember that Eko was "Supposed" to be taken by the others along with the "good" or "innocent" children. He fought back and killed two others instead of being taken away.

Goodwin did not say that the tailies taken on the first night were Good. He told Anna-Lucia that they (the Others) probably took the strongest first, because they were a threat.

The ones that Goodwin mentioned were "Good" were the 9 on the list.

And don't forget Goodwin's response to A-L when she comments about how they keep getting attacked on the beach: "Who says they're attacking us?"

Now that I see Goodwin's name typed out, could it be that the "Good win"?

~Dan

All things considered, it seems that Eko must've known the drug plane had crashed on the island, almost certainly before Claire showed him the figurine. I doubt that he would've assumed those were the only such figurines that looked just like that in the whole world. Also, if he didn't know the plane had crashed I don't think he would have said Gold Tooth saved his life. After all, the last thing he saw Gold Tooth do was kick him off the plane.

I don't know how Eko already knew the plane crashed on that island, but I'm looking forward to finding out.

What more could you expect of them. After all they are only Tail-Enders. :)

'Tailies' to their few million closest friends.

All things considered, it seems that Eko must've known the drug plane had crashed on the island, almost certainly before Claire showed him the figurine. I doubt that he would've assumed those were the only such figurines that looked just like that in the whole world. Also, if he didn't know the plane had crashed I don't think he would have said Gold Tooth saved his life. After all, the last thing he saw Gold Tooth do was kick him off the plane.

I don't know how Eko already knew the plane crashed on that island, but I'm looking forward to finding out.

Sorry, but you're all wet here. Eko had no way of knowing the plane had crashed on the island prior to seeing the figurine with Claire, although he had possibly heard that it had disappeared and was lost however many years before. Note how his attitude changed dramatically as soon as he smashed open the figurine: then he knew! They may not have been the only such figurines, but they were certainly the only such figurines that had smack inside! And we've already covered that Gold Tooth saved his life both literally and figuratively. When he saw the corpse, that clinched it - he knew the plane had to be on the island, and close by.

All things considered, it seems that Eko must've known the drug plane had crashed on the island, almost certainly before Claire showed him the figurine. I doubt that he would've assumed those were the only such figurines that looked just like that in the whole world. Also, if he didn't know the plane had crashed I don't think he would have said Gold Tooth saved his life. After all, the last thing he saw Gold Tooth do was kick him off the plane.

I don't know how Eko already knew the plane crashed on that island, but I'm looking forward to finding out.
My thought was there was possibly a distinctive marking on the statues that would have clued him in to the fact those were the right statues. Perhaps the name of the church was stamped on the bottom.

All things considered, it seems that Eko must've known the drug plane had crashed on the island, almost certainly before Claire showed him the figurine. I doubt that he would've assumed those were the only such figurines that looked just like that in the whole world. Also, if he didn't know the plane had crashed I don't think he would have said Gold Tooth saved his life. After all, the last thing he saw Gold Tooth do was kick him off the plane.

I don't know how Eko already knew the plane crashed on that island, but I'm looking forward to finding out.

I disagree. The plane took off several years before (we assume, notwithstanding some time-shifting effect that hasn't been revealed yet) and he never saw or heard from his brother afterwards. They bought all of the figurines available (at least at that time) and seeing the figurine (filled with heroin) and (unless I'm mistaken in my time line) knowing there was a plane crashed on the island (or even NOT knowing) would have made ME jump to the same conclusion Eko did. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the plane crash was disclosed to him before he came across Gold Tooth, no?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the plane crash was disclosed to him before he came across Gold Tooth, no?

Yes, Charlie fessed up under pressure.

Yes, Charlie fessed up under pressure.

Thanks. That's the way I remembered it.

I've never posted in the Lost forum until now.

I didn't go through all the most recent pages but read the last 4 or 5.

Let me say, just so we're clear, that up until last night, Lost was my favorite drama on TV.

Why is no one upset that that this monster was a trail of black smoke? Everything, up until this point, had the chance of being explained logically, scientifically. Not this. I don't get it. They turned the show into a supernatural X-files type of show, in one hour. I'm so mad to have sat through every episode, debated whats and whys and wheres and whos, dealt with all these long unbelievable breaks, and now I get this.

Is no one else pi$$ed off about this? If it's not purgatory, then it's stupid and unexplainable, when we were led to believe the whole time that everything was or could be real. AND if it is purgatory then we were flat out lied to.

Why is no one upset that that this monster was a trail of black smoke? Everything, up until this point, had the chance of being explained logically, scientifically. Not this. I don't get it. They turned the show into a supernatural X-files type of show, in one hour. I'm so mad to have sat through every episode, debated whats and whys and wheres and whos, dealt with all these long unbelievable breaks, and now I get this.


Why are you just getting upset about this now? We saw the "monster" black smoke last season.

I guess I was the only one that wasn't convinced that it was just smoke. Guess I was the one that was lost. I thought they'd come up with some sort of explanation based in reality.

Lot's of "bare-chested" shots of Mr. Eko :eek: but no "bikini-reveals" of Kate or Ana Lucia... :mad: needless to say, I'm rather disappointed! :(

but, as always... I enjoyed the episode :)

I guess I was the only one that wasn't convinced that it was just smoke. Guess I was the one that was lost. I thought they'd come up with some sort of explanation based in reality.

You just didn't read back far enough; keep going. Some of us are pretty convinced we know what it is. And it's loosely based on science, not supernatural in origin.

That's what you get for not reading all 300 pages :D


ron

That's what you get for not reading all 300 pages :D


ron
397 ..... :D

They turned the show into a supernatural X-files type of show, in one hour.

I think it's been this way ever since the beginning. I think the producers wanted to figure out a way to get a mainstream audience to watch a sci-fi show (Without them realizing it), and it worked. The plan was to make people think it's not sci-fi, and many mainstream fans really don't see it as a sci-fi show.

If Lost was originally marketed as a sci-fi show, nobody would have watched. So it started as a real-life "Survivor" and has slowly turned into the X-Files.

The unique aspect (and the one we hate) is that the producers keep changing the story. So once you figure out what is going on, the producers change it up and you are back to square one.

Everything, up until this point, had the chance of being explained logically, scientifically. Not this. I don't get it. They turned the show into a supernatural X-files type of show, in one hour. I'm so mad to have sat through every episode, debated whats and whys and wheres and whos, dealt with all these long unbelievable breaks, and now I get this.

What about 'the numbers'? Hurley's lottery, stamped on hatch, etc.. The significance of the numbers can't be explained scientifically either... unless you coun t numerology as science.

B ut I agree with you that I hope they can ultimately tie up everything with logical explanations.

397 ..... :D....398....

Sorry, but you're all wet here. Eko had no way of knowing the plane had crashed on the island prior to seeing the figurine with Claire, although he had possibly heard that it had disappeared and was lost however many years before. Note how his attitude changed dramatically as soon as he smashed open the figurine: then he knew! They may not have been the only such figurines, but they were certainly the only such figurines that had smack inside! And we've already covered that Gold Tooth saved his life both literally and figuratively. When he saw the corpse, that clinched it - he knew the plane had to be on the island, and close by.
I agree, and there's a good chance those statues were made right in that village making them probably quite distinctive so when Eko saw the one Claire had it was just a matter of verifying what he was probably pretty certain about, the fact they contained the dope, and by extension, the plane carrying them must have been close by.

OK...so, he came to the very same island by coincidence....or did he? :eek:

OK...so, he came to the very same island by coincidence....or did he? :eek:

Yes remeber Eko's quote last episode: "Do not mistake coincidence for fate"

What about 'the numbers'? Hurley's lottery, stamped on hatch, etc.. The significance of the numbers can't be explained scientifically either... unless you coun t numerology as science.

B ut I agree with you that I hope they can ultimately tie up everything with logical explanations.

I think they're trying to keep adding supernatural events but leave open all sorts of possible explanation. Probably why they brought religion into it recently. They want to open up all sorts of possibilities to the supernatural occurences on the island, magic, religion, science, technology, mysteries, they'll probably throw aliens in at some point to keep people guessing.

I'd imagine the producers of the show have a few options up their sleeves for what the answers are, if they ever choose to reveal them.

we were led to believe the whole time that everything was or could be real. AND if it is purgatory then we were flat out lied to.We were never led to believe the show was based on reality. They said "science". Doesn't even have to be scientific fact, it could be based on scientific theory, and still be scientifically explained. The black smoke monster works for sci-fi, er..., scientific theory. ;)

The black smoke with the images has a computer feel to me kind of like a scanner.

My wife thought one of the images was of Walt. It was about 2/3 of the way through the smoke and he was upside down near the top of the screen...anyone else agree?

At this point the show is so good to me that the writers can take us all wherever they want. I enjoy it all since it is easily the best ride on screen and off. The characters, the sci fi, the fans and so on.

I don't think we'll see aliens though. I love how they acknowledge the fans in some way on a regular basis. Everybody loves Sawyer! :D

Chuck

Evangeline Lilly addressed just this issue on GMA this week. She said the first season was very tiring (all-consuming), and in the 2nd season when the "tailies" arrived it gave the regulars a welcome bit of a break.

To hear people who are lucky to be on a hit TV show, considering they are financially set for the rest of their lives, I gotta tell you I have very little sympathy for them.

Poor thing. Did they work her too hard last season? Oh boy. Suck it up and shut up. You just don't know how luck you are. If you have to work this hard for 5 lousy years for the financial security you will reap, what is the big deal?

All things considered, it seems that Eko must've known the drug plane had crashed on the island, almost certainly before Claire showed him the figurine. I doubt that he would've assumed those were the only such figurines that looked just like that in the whole world. Also, if he didn't know the plane had crashed I don't think he would have said Gold Tooth saved his life. After all, the last thing he saw Gold Tooth do was kick him off the plane.

I don't know how Eko already knew the plane crashed on that island, but I'm looking forward to finding out.Sorry, but you're all wet here. Eko had no way of knowing the plane had crashed on the island prior to seeing the figurine with Claire, although he had possibly heard that it had disappeared and was lost however many years before. Note how his attitude changed dramatically as soon as he smashed open the figurine: then he knew! They may not have been the only such figurines, but they were certainly the only such figurines that had smack inside! And we've already covered that Gold Tooth saved his life both literally and figuratively. When he saw the corpse, that clinched it - he knew the plane had to be on the island, and close by.Not sure why you couldn't disagree without being insulting. There is still plenty of room for questioning a few of the things that appear one way but could turn out another. I based my conjecture on the premise that Eko wouldn't just break a stranger's figurine that was clearly valued by them unless he was absolutely certain it had the smack inside. Maybe the writers of the show didn't think it through that thoroughly (it wouldn't be the first time!), but that's the kind of respect that would be shown by most people I know.

As long as it's "itzy bitzy & teeny weeny..." it can be day-glow for all I care! :D
Oh my god, Optivity; we agree on something. :)

Evangeline Lilly on Jimmy Kimmel Friday night and the "LOST - The Musical", spoof was friggin hilarious.
It has to be on the internet somewhere soon...

vegggas

Evangeline Lilly on Jimmy Kimmel Friday night and the "LOST - The Musical", spoof was friggin hilarious.
It has to be on the internet somewhere soon...

vegggas

is that the one where Locke is standing over the Earth at the end? If it is its like 40-100 pages back.

Got lucky on the first try searching "turtle".

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/lost

No, No, no. This was real characters, who looked like the cast, doing a Broadway version of "LOST - The Musical". Seeing Charley and Hurley getting comfy together by the fire - eeek!
Everyone trying to open the hatch, then out steps a dancing polar bear and everyone breaks out in song and dance, etc, including Charley doing the worm under Hurley.

vegggas

I've never posted in the Lost forum until now.



Why is no one upset that that this monster was a trail of black smoke? .

Black smoke? LOL That is NOT "black smoke". Those are very sophisticated "nano-particles" that are capable of very complex functions – including forming into a number of different shapes and objects. They each have highly developed artificial intelligence and can "learn" and adapt to their environment. Man . . . you need to read "Prey" by Michael Crichton. Here . . . let me post an image of the cover of his book and see if something on it looks familiar.

http://www.rmwhome.com/Images/prey.gif

Everybody loves Sawyer! :D
Everybody loves to bust Sawyer's chops.

Anyone else think that it wasn't really Jack with Michael when Michael was typing on the computer? For some reason I think it was either Michael's imagination, or someone/thing in disguise.

Maybe I'm crazy.

Hey Kracko sounds bitter regarding the actors and the hours they work. Granted its tremendously rewarding financially to be in a hit show like LOST as a lead actor. One season at that pay would be a lot fun. But whether you're making donuts or running the free world, people max out after too many hours and IT IS nice to have a break. You try being on a film/tv set 5 or 6 days a week for 14, 15, maybe even 18 hours a day. Besides, who said she wanted your sympathy? She can have mine all she wants...though I'd be afraid she might try to blow me up or something.

http://www.rmwhome.com/Images/prey.gif

Hey...That bar code looks familiar!


Those are very sophisticated "nano-particles" that are capable of very complex functions – including forming into a number of different shapes and objects. They each have highly developed artificial intelligence and can "learn" and adapt to their environment.
In Prey, the individual nanoparticles didn't necessarily have a lot of "intelligence" or capability; it was the entire swarm that provides the aggregate functionality. Much like a single human cell doesn't do much on it's own, but in a "swarm" it makes a person.

So, I could see how a bunch of tiny black smoke particles could gather as a cloud and make a DHARMA security system...

~Dan

Funny you should mention this...I just borrowed the book from the library and was immediately struck by the cover.

From what I know of the plot from previous comments about the book in this thread, and from the Small Friends episode of the Outer Limits and the movie Batteries Not Included it would seem that nanabots would provide a "scientific", as opposed to "supernatural" explanation of the black smoke.

....it would seem that nanabots would provide a "scientific", as opposed to "supernatural" explanation of the black smoke.Right. Whoever that was that first proposed this explaination is either an insider, or happened upon a lucky guess. Because this seems to be what best describes the smoke. As far as the supernatural aspect; how can 'the smoke' read/see into this man's mind? (I don't see how it could) Unless this, as someone else already suggested, is all a controlled experiment.

Right. Whoever that was that first proposed this explaination is either an insider, or happened upon a lucky guess. Because this seems to be what best describes the smoke. As far as the supernatural aspect; how can 'the smoke' read/see into this man's mind? (I don't see how it could) Unless this, as someone else already suggested, is all a controlled experiment.

Thankkew, thankkew vurry much. I think I was the first to propose this theory waaaay back about a zillion pages ago. Call it a lucky guess, but I had read Prey.:)

The nanobot theory is the only one I could think of that makes any sense. The whole mind-reading thing, however it may be related to the Darma remote-viewing experiments or whatever, is clearly parapsychological, which is treading dangerously close to the supernatural since we currently have no scientific explanation for such phenomena and legitimate observations are....questionable.

Thankkew, thankkew vurry much. I think I was the first to propose this theory waaaay back about a zillion pages ago. Call it a lucky guess, but I had read Prey.:)

The nanobot theory is the only one I could think of that makes any sense. The whole mind-reading thing, however it may be related to the Darma remote-viewing experiments or whatever, is clearly parapsychological, which is treading dangerously close to the supernatural since we currently have no scientific explanation for such phenomena and legitimate observations are....questionable.
Aw, c'mon! It's legit research:

Male Student: What are you trying to prove here anyway?
Dr. Peter Venkman: I'm studying the effects of negative reinforcement on E.S.P. ability
Male Student: The effect? I'll tell you what the effect is, it's pissing me off!

;)

Right. Whoever that was that first proposed this explaination is either an insider, or happened upon a lucky guess. Because this seems to be what best describes the smoke. As far as the supernatural aspect; how can 'the smoke' read/see into this man's mind? (I don't see how it could) Unless this, as someone else already suggested, is all a controlled experiment.

There is a scientific basis for using nanobots for reading minds and otherwise interacting with brains. The 'bots have to enter the brain/bloodstream, and once you get enough of them scattered through the brain, they can watch individual neurons or groups of neurons fire, and if they know how to decode those firings then they could watch in realtime what you're thinking.

One fictional piece that comes to mind now is the move Until The End of the World, where a good chunk of the plot revolves around an external helmet that can read the neuron firings in the visual cortex to see what you see, even to record your dreams while you sleep. Also of course a similar tech was shown in Strange Days.

For a nonfiction take on the nanobots specifically, read the new Ray Kurzweil book that recently came out called The Singularity is Near.

As for the pictures, maybe the swarm can produce or read MRI or other field effect measurements and DHARMA has perfected a memory reading algorithm? Does not change anything for the remote viewing or other projects...

Did the swarm appear at the same time that Michael was fooling with the computer? Probably mentioned before, but maybe the swarm is not a 'security system' at all, and the numbers either confine it, or disband it periodically using the electromagnetism so it does not gain much sentience or sapience a la Prey. Of course that could be the recharge cycle also...

v/r,
C-F

I disagree. I say the cloud is more para psychological in nature than technical.

If you can build a flying nanobot swarm, you could do a lot better than an Apple II in a bunker somewhere.

Just my .02 bits.

I disagree. I say the cloud is more para psychological in nature than technical.

If you can build a flying nanobot swarm, you could do a lot better than an Apple II in a bunker somewhere.

Just my .02 bits.As said previously, the old computer makes sense. It was a dumb terminal hooked up to a much larger computer. A proprietary program that was running perfectly well on the older system would benefit little from an updated computer. In fact, updating the hardware or software would potentially introduce bugs that could cause failures in the system.

In addition, having such an old terminal limits what can be done on it, which helps prevent viruses or software conflicts. Older hardware is very reliable and can do a surpisingly large number of tasks on very little memory (unlike today's systems that require gobs of memory and processing power to keep up with bloatware OS's that are now commonplace). This simplicity made them exceptionally reliable. I have several vintage systems from the 80's that operate like they were brand new and quite a few programs for them with rather impressive features (way beyond just playing "Pong").

As we speak, even the major control system of the space shuttle has the computing power of the average casio watch. While there are newer systems for perfroming various experiments, the control systems are ancient. Each stage of the mission must be loaded as needed because the systems don't have enough memory to contain the whole mission. The system can't be signifcantly upgraded due to being so integrated into the shuttle (one of several reasons the shuttle is due to be completely redesigned).

A society that can make flying clouds of nanobots isn't going to be dinking around on some island with an Apple II as a dumb terminal.

If you can make one flying nanobot, let alone thousands operating in concert with each other, your tech level is going to be damned high.

And you'd be doing a lot more interesting things.....most of them involving clones of Evangeline Lilly.

Nanobots would think with absolute logic. If the Apple II was fully functional and served it's purpose, there'd be no reason to upgrade. Blue screens of death would not be considered an "upgrade" by a nanobot with super intelligence.

The old computer could be a decoy to keep the newly acquired test subjects from catching on. It has been very effective in keeping us, the viewer, wondering what is going on (we're the real test subjects anyway aren't we?).

Sorry, but I just don't think that "flying clouds of nanobots" matches the tech level of the rest of the show. If you can build that, anything we think of as a "computer" today will be collecting dust in the antiques section of some museum.

Especially when most of the really weird stuff of the show seems to be oriented in the paranormal.

That's my opinion, you're opinion of the beloved Apple II as a dumb terminal remains unchallenged. :rolleyes:

http://urlcut.com/fatassn00bcockdotcom823.gif VERY NICE!!

A society that can make flying clouds of nanobots isn't going to be dinking around on some island with an Apple II as a dumb terminal.

If you can make one flying nanobot, let alone thousands operating in concert with each other, your tech level is going to be damned high.

And you'd be doing a lot more interesting things.....most of them involving clones of Evangeline Lilly.

Let's face it, the only thing you need to do on that pc is type in a series of numbers every 108 minutes.

What about 'the numbers'? Hurley's lottery, stamped on hatch, etc.. The significance of the numbers can't be explained scientifically either... unless you coun t numerology as science.
The numbers is where I see the whole scientific explanation break down. You'd need the secret Dharma organization to be so powerful that they were able to rig the lottery so Hurley would win it otherwise it could only be explained as an astronomical coincidence.

Of course either of these explanations are valid for a show like this. It is just a TV show.

Of course either of these explanations are valid for a show like this. It is just a TV show.

What? LOST IS based on a true story, isn't it? According to that article in Scientific Exploring World, the whole premise to LOST was based upon that incident in 1974 on an island in the south pacific where all those planes crashed and they found that parnormal activity there. In fact, the article stated that -- except for some of the names of the characters -- all of the events depicted in LOST thus far actually happened according to the journals and documentation from the island.

So . . . this is all based on a true story.

There is a scientific basis for using nanobots for reading minds and otherwise interacting with brains. The 'bots have to enter the brain/bloodstream, and once you get enough of them scattered through the brain, they can watch individual neurons or groups of neurons fire, and if they know how to decode those firings then they could watch in realtime what you're thinking.
Are saying that Eko inhaled? ;) What made me buy the nano-theory is the fact that Charlie could see the smoke also (don't know if he saw the images that Eko appearently saw). It could all indeed be a tightly controlled psychological experiment....perhaps a staged event as previously suggested.

Sorry, but I just don't think that "flying clouds of nanobots" matches the tech level of the rest of the show. If you can build that, anything we think of as a "computer" today will be collecting dust in the antiques section of some museum.

Especially when most of the really weird stuff of the show seems to be oriented in the paranormal.

That's my opinion, you're opinion of the beloved Apple II as a dumb terminal remains unchallenged. :rolleyes:

I don't think all the facts are in yet so it's hard to say. Maybe the 'incident' was the swarm becoming independent and growing/reproducing on it's own. Maybe no one controls it?

What? LOST IS based on a true story, isn't it? According to that article in Scientific Exploring World, the whole premise to LOST was based upon that incident in 1974 on an island in the south pacific where all those planes crashed and they found that parnormal activity there. In fact, the article stated that -- except for some of the names of the characters -- all of the events depicted in LOST thus far actually happened according to the journals and documentation from the island.

So . . . this is all based on a true story.

I don't think that's accurate...the idea for this show was pitched as fiction to the networks.

Sorry, but I just don't think that "flying clouds of nanobots" matches the tech level of the rest of the show.The "flying clouds of nanobots" may have an organic origin... which is the collective "sphincter gas" of the others that has taken on a life of it's own... :D

fumes like that will surely kill… which leads me to believe that neither Locke nor Eko “inhaled” during their encounters ;)

I don't think that's accurate...the idea for this show was pitched as fiction to the networks.

Considering the ratings that Lost has been pulling in, I don't think the network would care what the original pitch was.

As long as Lost keeps attracting viewers in the right demographic, I wouldn't be surprised if there were an all musical episode, along the lines of Buffy's Once More With Feeling.

Lost seems to have taken on a cult following far beyond what anybody expected. I mean, come on, it is a story of people stranded on a remote island. Yet, there are enough "strange" goings on, as Charlie remarked early on: "What kind of island IS this?", to keep many of us glued to the set.

I can't think of another show in recent memory where I would go back and watch the same darned episode I just saw because I read in this forum that if you dim the lights, spin around in a chair three times and watch the episode with one eye taped shut, you'll see the Dharma logo clearly on the butt of Vincent as he is wizzing on a tree.

It sure beats watching an episode of "Joey." ;)

Well, does anyone know what the images in the black smoke were. I surprised after a few days of topics this hasn't been picked apart yet?

I tried going through it in HD with the tivo and could only recognize a couple things. One was his shirt from the playground, and a second which looked like a black woman in a dress, maybe the woman in front of the church.

Another looked like a guy with a hood over his head as if about to be hanged.

anyone, any ideas or notices?

Well, does anyone know what the images in the black smoke were. I surprised after a few days of topics this hasn't been picked apart yet?

I tried going through it in HD with the tivo and could only recognize a couple things. One was his shirt from the playground, and a second which looked like a black woman in a dress, maybe the woman in front of the church.

Another looked like a guy with a hood over his head as if about to be hanged.

anyone, any ideas or notices?


Just go back to the postings from last week (maybe Thursday?). Someone posted a link to another site with screen grabs of each of the images...

Well, does anyone know what the images in the black smoke were. I surprised after a few days of topics this hasn't been picked apart yet?

I tried going through it in HD with the tivo and could only recognize a couple things. One was his shirt from the playground, and a second which looked like a black woman in a dress, maybe the woman in front of the church.

Another looked like a guy with a hood over his head as if about to be hanged.

anyone, any ideas or notices?


Here it is:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6903106&&#post6903106

thanks, I read from 1/11, but didn't find much.

sorry for the post.
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Well, does anyone know what the images in the black smoke were. I surprised after a few days of topics this hasn't been picked apart yet?

I tried going through it in HD with the tivo and could only recognize a couple things. One was his shirt from the playground, and a second which looked like a black woman in a dress, maybe the woman in front of the church.

Another looked like a guy with a hood over his head as if about to be hanged.

anyone, any ideas or notices?So maybe the "black smoke" is a combination... or the "spirit" of those who have "really" died on the Island. Given the way Shannon & Boone met their fates... I'm not surprised this "smoke entity" seems pretty angry.

Locke & Eko are men of faith... so perhaps the "smoke thingy" can't harm them... although I'd like to know what tried to drag Locke down that "hole" near the end of the first season. Come to think of it... no one ever did take a look down there... or did they?

I'll be interested to see more of Mr. Eko's back story, I'd like to know the "epiphany" he experienced or how he evolved into becoming a priest, because the drug-runner that put his brother in a position to be shot & killed didn't appear to be a practicing Christian to me.

I'm pretty sure the (apparent) death of his brother was his "epiphany". He started "good" as a kid, and that likely snapped him back. Whether he posed as his brother, or used the paper his brother signed, he then studied his ass off to be the best priest he could be.

The black smoke with the images has a computer feel to me kind of like a scanner.

My wife thought one of the images was of Walt. It was about 2/3 of the way through the smoke and he was upside down near the top of the screen...anyone else agree?

...

Chuck
i couldn't figure that one out. My Wife couldn't either. Even had the neighbors come over and look. I think it looks like someone in a suit without a tie- like jack at the crash but other then that i give up.

What about the woman- who was that- anyone?

... I based my conjecture on the premise that Eko wouldn't just break a stranger's figurine that was clearly valued by them unless he was absolutely certain it had the smack inside. Maybe the writers of the show didn't think it through that thoroughly (it wouldn't be the first time!), but that's the kind of respect that would be shown by most people I know.


I respect you and everyone here (well almost everyone- LOL)- but if I grew up in some dink ass village where one of the church ladies made statues to sell for my brother the pastor- and put my brother who was shoot on a plan and he disappeared, I might be a little jumpy to find out about my brother and break pen the statue without asking.

Especially if i spent my formative years learning manners from a gang of armed drug delaing thugs....

Granted he may be acting preistly now, but i would think the rude side of him popping out every now or again wouldn't be so strange.

i couldn't figure that one out. My Wife couldn't either. Even had the neighbors come over and look. I think it looks like someone in a suit without a tie- like jack at the crash but other then that i give up.

What about the woman- who was that- anyone?


The woman may have been the woman who made and sold the smack-stashed statues.

I don't think all the facts are in yet so it's hard to say. Maybe the 'incident' was the swarm becoming independent and growing/reproducing on it's own. Maybe no one controls it?That is one of the things I was thinking of too. Even if it wasn't the actual big "incident", it could just be one of their experiments that got out of control somehow. Nano-Robots gone wild (at south beach!). At any rate, I just think the writers are purposely trying to walk the fine line between scientific and paranormal to keep things interesting, everyone guessing and tuning back in. Works for me.


ron

I found a link to Jimmy Kimmel's LOST - The Musical spoof on Friday night.
From Kimmel and hosted by livejournal.com/users/voodoo_in_tx
http://www.sparklies.org/~lisa/lost/video/otherpromo/20060113-Musical-Kimmel-sam.jpg

Click the link below to go to the page with the zipped video:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/voodoo_in_tx/tag/lost_promo_video
There is a link to download the 23MB file and play it back. I didn't find any websites hosting the video for direct playback.
Once again, this is the link for Jimmy Kimmel's LOST - The Musical with real actors and not that old flash anaimation thing described earlier.

vegggas

I found a link to Jimmy Kimmel's LOST - The Musical spoof on Friday night.
From Kimmel and hosted by livejournal.com/users/voodoo_in_tx
http://www.sparklies.org/~lisa/lost/video/otherpromo/20060113-Musical-Kimmel-sam.jpg

vegggas

What in the world was Evangeline Lily wearing? Looks like an awful shirt in that cap there.

So maybe the "black smoke" is a combination... or the "spirit" of those who have "really" died on the Island. Given the way Shannon & Boone met their fates... I'm not surprised this "smoke entity" seems pretty angry.

Locke & Eko are men of faith... so perhaps the "smoke thingy" can't harm them... although I'd like to know what tried to drag Locke down that "hole" near the end of the first season. Come to think of it... no one ever did take a look down there... or did they?
I think someone here said the producers have written off the paranormal and I'm assuming that's true. Dang, now I feel like I need to read Prey!

[blatant opinion] Depends, I thought it was a good book in the Jurassic Park sort of vein... I was imagining the camera angles and special effects as I went. If you are not the type to accept a good B/popcorn/effects movie for what it is, maybe just get a Cliff-notes summary somewhere. [/blatant opinion]

v/r,
C-F

That is one of the things I was thinking of too. Even if it wasn't the actual big "incident", it could just be one of their experiments that got out of control somehow. Nano-Robots gone wild (at south beach!). At any rate, I just think the writers are purposely trying to walk the fine line between scientific and paranormal to keep things interesting, everyone guessing and tuning back in. Works for me.


ron

Works for me too!

I think someone here said the producers have written off the paranormal and I'm assuming that's true. Dang, now I feel like I need to read Prey!


The book was ok...as always with his books, the concept is always cooler than his novel. But the swarms were cool, and scary on top of that.

I can't think of another show in recent memory where I would go back and watch the same darned episode I just saw because I read in this forum that if you dim the lights, spin around in a chair three times and watch the episode with one eye taped shut, you'll see the Dharma logo clearly on the butt of Vincent as he is wizzing on a tree.
Great post! You really summed up the hook of the show well.

I think someone here said the producers have written off the paranormal and I'm assuming that's true.

I've read this too, and I wonder how they plan to explain Kate seeing the horse, Jack seeing his dad, several people seeing Walt after he disappeared, etc. Having seen how often writers on any show can change course without warning, I'm sceptical that the straining we're doing to find plausible explanations for things like the smoke will end up being correct. Honestly, I hope there will be room for the mystical, because if you add in all the "coincidences" that tie these people to one another, any 'rational' explanation will be a copout, and strain credibility anyway.

I'm sceptical that the straining we're doing to find plausible explanations for things like the smoke will end up being correct.Don't you know the writers are depending on us to come up with a plausible explanation so they can write it into the story?

Don't you know the writers are depending on us to come up with a plausible explanation so they can write it into the story?

LOL good one

I've read this too, and I wonder how they plan to explain Kate seeing the horse, Jack seeing his dad, several people seeing Walt after he disappeared, etc.

We're back to the nanotechnology again. The nanobots can look like more than smoke. They can look like anything they want to look like. Like, say, Walt.

We're back to the nanotechnology again. The nanobots can look like more than smoke. They can look like anything they want to look like. Like, say, Walt.

That would explain the images we saw while inside the 'smokin' nanobots'.

We're back to the nanotechnology again. The nanobots can look like more than smoke. They can look like anything they want to look like. Like, say, Walt.

Or some of them could enter the brains of Sayid and other folks and make them think they are seeing things that aren't there.

Or some of them could enter the brains of Sayid and other folks and make them think they are seeing things that aren't there.

That's just rediculous... ;)

I was pleased to see LOST get the Golden Globe award for best Dramatic Series ... well deserved!

You would think one of them could come up with a macro that would input the code every 108 minutes...

Sayid could make a keyboard emulator with a timer and a mic pickup for the klaxon as a backup. But what would Micheal do then - go nuts and lock a couple of folks in the vault?

v/r,
C-F

Sayid could make a keyboard emulator with a timer and a mic pickup for the klaxon as a backup. But what would Micheal do then - go nuts and lock a couple of folks in the vault?

v/r,
C-F

SPOILER!?! :eek: Just kidding. There hasn't been nearly enought talk about spoilers lately. :p

Locke & Eko are men of faith... so perhaps the "smoke thingy" can't harm them... although I'd like to know what tried to drag Locke down that "hole" near the end of the first season. Come to think of it... no one ever did take a look down there... or did they?



How about this, the 'smoke' is a security system, as the french lady said. It confronted Ekko, and did a 'threat assessment' by reading his mind. Decided he was not an immediate threat so did nothing. Same thing when the 'smoke' first met Locke, determined he was not a threat, BUT, next time smoke encounters Locke he is heading to the hatch with a bunch of dynamite! Threat assessment now high, the 'security system' needs to do something, so initiates the dragging of Locke underground.

I was thinking along those lines also, but if that is the case, what kind of threat was the pilot of the airplane? Maybe he knew of a way to get the lostaways off the island?

I was thinking along those lines also, but if that is the case, what kind of threat was the pilot of the airplane? Maybe he knew of a way to get the lostaways off the island?
Or he knew something that the 'security system' deemed a potential threat that had to be eliminated before he could do damage.

I suggest from this point forward we refer to the security system as the smokin' nanobots. :p

Sayid could make a keyboard emulator with a timer and a mic pickup for the klaxon as a backup. But what would Micheal do then - go nuts and lock a couple of folks in the vault?
Come to think of it, after Michael made a deal about the blast doors a couple of episodes back, we haven't heard anything about them. I don't think it's going to happen this week, but I can see someone communicating with the other side via the terminal, them getting nasty, then the blast doors dropping trapping our typist.

And aside for continuity from before the writers knew what our security system looked like, any explanation for the explosions / crashes that accompany the black smoke?

...any explanation for the explosions / crashes that accompany the black smoke?

Bad gas?

Sayid could make a keyboard emulator with a timer and a mic pickup for the klaxon as a backup. But what would Micheal do then - go nuts and lock a couple of folks in the vault?
v/r,
C-F

He's liable to yet!

Don't you know the writers are depending on us to come up with a plausible explanation so they can write it into the story?It's starting to remind me of that episode of Star Trek TOS where the crew was stuck on that looney planet. Whatever you happened to be thinking about would visually appear. I don't remember how they resolved that whole thing, or who/what controlled the planet, but one of the main characters did die (and later came magically back to life), if memory serves.

"We...Must... Control... Our... Thoughts..." to paraphrase Kirk.

Whatever you happened to be thinking about would visually appear.
Just that sort of thing is also in The Third Policeman. ;)

~Dan

And Sphere... also by Crichton.

It's starting to remind me of that episode of Star Trek TOS where the crew was stuck on that looney planet. Whatever you happened to be thinking about would visually appear. I don't remember how they resolved that whole thing, or who/what controlled the planet, but one of the main characters did die (and later came magically back to life), if memory serves.

The episode was "Shore Leave", where they came upon the above mentioned planet. Anything they thought of appeared (McCoy first with Alice and the White Rabbit, Sulu with an old revolver gun and then a samurai, Kirk with an old love).

It was McCoy who got killed by a knight on a horse (a female colleague he was with was thinking about being a princess and all that) - McCoy got speared by a lance. They resolved it when the exploration party was ordered by Kirk to stand at attention and think of nothing else.

The "keeper" then came out and explained how their civilization (much more advanced than the Federation) had created the place simply as a playground for their race, where they could live out anything they wanted simply by thinking about it. The whole world was one big machine/factory.

McCoy was repaired (they obviously didn't want people to get killed) and returned back, on the arms of two Vegas-type chorus girls.

The "keeper" didn't mind the Enterprise crew coming down to enjoy it - as long as they were properly briefed beforehand about what to expect.

Hmmm....... Sulu wished for a samurai?

Now the pieces are starting to fall into place. :)

Hmmm....... Sulu wished for a samurai?

Now the pieces are starting to fall into place. :)

No, he didn't wish for it, he just happened to think about one (for whatever reason) and the samurai appeared. Just like a couple of others (a man and woman team) were thinking about old Earth days and air warfare, and what should appear but a Jap Zero. The guy also made the mistake of mentioning a strafing run, and the Jap Zero promptly obliged.

That's why the crew had to be properly briefed before being allowed down for their shore leave...anything (and I do mean ANYTHING) they were thinking about, even in passing, would be brought to life.

No, he didn't wish for it, he just happened to think about one (for whatever reason) and the samurai appeared. Just like a couple of others (a man and woman team) were thinking about old Earth days and air warfare, and what should appear but a Jap Zero. The guy also made the mistake of mentioning a strafing run, and the Jap Zero promptly obliged.

That's why the crew had to be properly briefed before being allowed down for their shore leave...anything (and I do mean ANYTHING) they were thinking about, even in passing, would be brought to life.


Cpanther is just messing with you, George Takei (actor who played sulu) recently came out of the closet lol

So is this where Lost is inevitably headed, if the "think of something and it appears" theory holds true:

Gozer: The Choice is made!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Whoa! Ho! Ho! Whoa-oa!
Gozer: The Traveller has come!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Nobody choosed anything!
[turns to Egon]
Dr. Peter Venkman: Did YOU choose anything?
Dr. Egon Spengler: No.
Dr. Peter Venkman: [to Winston] Did YOU?
Winston Zeddemore: My mind is totally blank.
Dr. Peter Venkman: I didn't choose anything.
[long pause, Peter, Egon and Winston all look at Ray]
Dr Ray Stantz: I couldn't help it. It just popped IN there.
Dr. Peter Venkman: [angrily] What? What just popped in there?
Dr Ray Stantz: I... I... I tried to think...
Dr. Egon Spengler: LOOK!
[they all look over one side of the roof]
Dr Ray Stantz: No! It CAN'T be!
Dr. Peter Venkman: What is it?
Dr Ray Stantz: It CAN'T be!
Dr. Peter Venkman: What did you do, Ray?
Winston Zeddemore: Oh, ****!
[they all see a giant cubic white head topped with a sailor hat, Peter looks at Ray]
Dr Ray Stantz: [somberly] It's the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man

I've read this too, and I wonder how they plan to explain Kate seeing the horse, Jack seeing his dad, several people seeing Walt after he disappeared, etc. Having seen how often writers on any show can change course without warning, I'm sceptical that the straining we're doing to find plausible explanations for things like the smoke will end up being correct. Honestly, I hope there will be room for the mystical, because if you add in all the "coincidences" that tie these people to one another, any 'rational' explanation will be a copout, and strain credibility anyway.


lsd....

:p

We'll learn more TONIGHT!!! :D

Cpanther is just messing with you, George Takei (actor who played sulu) recently came out of the closet lol

What was he doing in the closet?

Since he's the navigator, I'd imagine he was checking his orientation.

I removed the hypen between the "t" and "a" in orientation to avoid any political incorrectness.

Since he's the navigator, I'd imagine he was checking his orientation.

...or readying photon torpedoes.

...or readying photon torpedoes.

Wednesday didn't get here fast enough. :eek:

Matthew Fox right now on "Ellen"