Since he's the navigator, I'd imagine he was checking his orientation.


Too funny... :p

Since he's the navigator, I'd imagine he was checking his orientation.

I removed the hypen between the "t" and "a" in orientation to avoid any political incorrectness.

He was the Helmsman. Chekov was the ships Navigator..... :)

My DVR shows Lost going until 10:01 ET tonight. Set your devices accordingly.

My DVR shows Lost going until 10:01 ET tonight. Set your devices accordingly.

Thanks for the heads up, mine still says 10:00, but I have padded the end time by 5 Min. :cool:

My DVR shows Lost going until 10:01 ET tonight. Set your devices accordingly.

hasn't this been normal for awhile now ?

Are both shows new tonight or just 9pm one?

First is a repeat: "23rd Psalm"

First is a repeat: "23rd Psalm"I am feeling cheated. I was hoping to watch last week's again but the local idiots preempted it for a ... waether special ... :mad:

At least Comcast got here in time to swap out my dead Moto 6208 for a 6412.

Not really a complaint but I think another backstory about Jack is disappointing. I hope they go somewhere good with it. With the tailies added to the group plus some of the original group, it would be nice to see more history on the other people.

shows on, Anyone think Jacks wife left him cause he wasnt ready for a baby, when miracle woman did? I guess we will find out soon.
wg

Other Alert!!!! OTHER ALERT!!!!

AH right before the other guy appears there was an audio drop out when jack is talkin to locke.. can anyone let me know what he said? or did that happen to everyeone?

Is that the voice of Michael Ironside?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000461/

Sounded like it to me. Well now it doesn't dang.

Welll someone pegged the Libby and Hurley storyline, maybe we will see some luv for the fat man
wg

Jack's a pussy, if that guy's the leader they just should have plugged him.

Now they know they're all a bunch of woosies.

That was an old gun "Zeke" was carrying. A Luger? Methinks Jack & Co. made a big mistake giving the others more guns and newer guns.

So, how did Bluebeard deflect that shot? Poor, poor Sawyer.....

man, how long can they keep stringing these episodes out before people quit watching?

man, how long can they keep stringing these episodes out before people quit watching?


Huh.

They will keep on stringing out these episodes until the very last episode because that's what this show's about. It's all about the characters, not the island and the mystery surrounding it.

Looks like Libby was one of Hurley's shrinks. Wonder if he finds out before or after he does her, not like it'd change his mind about doing her.

man, how long can they keep stringing these episodes out before people quit watching? So when can we expect you to actually quit watching, as you've mentioned you were planning to:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6387029#post6387029

Kwitcher Bitchin' if you're not going to follow through.

"Train an Army"....cool. Not Jack Bauer cool, but a cool line nonetheless.

AH right before the other guy appears there was an audio drop out when jack is talkin to locke.. can anyone let me know what he said? or did that happen to everyeone?


He said: "You look mighty fine in them jeans" :D

Pretty wild when all of the others stood up with troches lit, then back down they were out FREAKY FREAKY

He said: "You look mighty fine in them jeans" :DOr was it, "I want you to squeal like a piggy......wee!wee!" ;)

Pretty wild when all of the others stood up with troches lit, then back down they were out FREAKY FREAKY
I'd want more proof than that. Just because there were torches, doesn't mean there were people holding them.

True

I'd want more proof than that. Just because there were torches, doesn't mean there were people holding them.

I am pretty sure that I saw people with those torches.

yeah it was probably just highly trained baboons :)

if no people were behind the torches, how else do they turn on. I didnt see him hit the LIGHT SWITCH to the JUNGLE. IT was a pretty nice trick though if there wasnt a bunch of OTHErS out there.
wg

as a side i enjoyed this episode quite a bit more than i have most this season.

amen to no "we are such survivors" scenes & song at the end too...

if no people were behind the torches, how else do they turn on. I didnt see him hit the LIGHT SWITCH to the JUNGLE. IT was a pretty nice trick though if there wasnt a bunch of OTHErS out there.
wg
Two torches and 40 mirrors, Voila!

They need a leader like Jack Bauer on that island,..

I want to go back to want a previous poster said. The head "other" was holding what appeared to be an old P-08 style Luger (made famous in WWI and WW2?). He was also making reference to how long the survivors had been on the island. I wonder how long the "others" have been there?

if no people were behind the torches, how else do they turn on. I didnt see him hit the LIGHT SWITCH to the JUNGLE. IT was a pretty nice trick though if there wasnt a bunch of OTHErS out there.
wg
The same way the FX guys do it - run some gas lines to the appropriate spots. One guy turns them on when the proper command is said. I'd say that's more plausable than 20 or 30 people lighting their torches all at the same time. Those are some dependable lighters or they've really nailed the whole striking a match on the first try thing.....

Who is Alex?

he would be a great leader, but hed fall hard for any of the chicks, he always does. Its his softspot., but he would have busted a cap in beardguy for takin fine Evangeline. Surpised they didnt ask her if she saw any of them. Jack was just pissed off cause he remembered he lost his wife, his patient, and now his friend. HIs Miracle status is disappearing as the days on the island go on.
wg

Who is Alex?
Alex was the French woman's son who was supposedly taken by the others.

I'm guessing Ethan wasn't sent by the Others based on how Bluebeard responded.

On a side note - pretty pissed off that Jack is adopting "THEM" in lieu of calling them the "OTHERS".

So you guys wouldn't ask a single question to a bunch of people you've never seen before on an island that you've been living on for 50 days thinking you were alone? (ok, maybe they knew they weren't alone but they haven't made inteligent contact with these people)

I'm sorry, I love Lost, but JJ pulled the rug out from under us...they revealed nothing when it was almost too easy to reveal something...just something...

I think the first logical question you'd ask was, "WHO ARE YOU?"
And then: "WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?"
Or finally, "WHATS WRONG WITH THIS ISLAND?"

I'm sorry, but that was a cheap shot and I think a lot of people will see right threw it. It was just plain dumb. And why does Jack want to build an army? To fight a group of people? For what reason?

Arg, I truly love the show...I just hate it when JJ pulls this BS

Beard guy: "I hoped it wouldn't come to this. Bring her out Alex." Someone brings Kate in a bag.

For us knuckleheads who didn't set their DVRs past 10:00, what did we miss? Mine cut off when Jack was talking to AL on the beach - he asked if she shot one of them...

Jack's a pussy, if that guy's the leader they just should have plugged him.

Now they know they're all a bunch of woosies.Again; how did Bluebeard deflect that (Sawyer's) shot?

"We're both gonna continue to have problems unless we get some answers"

That's what I was expecting to hear.

Maybe it is the bearded Irish guy from Braveheart "It's my Island!"

For us knuckleheads who didn't set their DVRs past 10:00, what did we miss? Mine cut off when Jack was talking to AL on the beach - he asked if she shot one of them...

AL: one of who?
JS: one of them.
AL: yeah.
JS: sayid said you're a cop.
AL: WAS a cop.
JS: can i ask you something?
AL: what?
JS: how long do you think it would take to train an army?
[long shot]
[fade to black]

Maybe it is the bearded Irish guy from Braveheart "It's my Island!"

By the way I think it's pretty clear now that the Old Bearded Dude (OBD) is not the Scientist from Training Film (STF).

Big let down compared to last week's episode.

On my local abc news they did a quick bit about Lost and advertised a part of the abc website that has POD CASts from different episodes that have some hints in them, and what to look for i guess. I started to listen to todays, and its a interview with Michael. Wonder if any spoilers will come out of it.
wg
Heres the link.
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts/101694.html

New to this thread but a couple of comments about tonight's episode...

Beardman said leave the GUNS, he didn't say anything about the ammo. If Jack was quick on his feet, he should have asked "So we leave you the guns and you let Kate go?" and if the response was yes, slip out the clip and give up the guns.

If these others are so powerful/invincible, why would they care if the survivors had guns or what use would the others have for them?

Weird that we didn't even see Eko in this episode. And whatever happened to the French woman and Desmond?

So who do you think Jack's wife was messing around with? You know it is going to be someone on the island! Sawyer perhaps running his scam?

New poster...

Can you guys think of any significance to the album chosen and played in the bunker? It was a Pousette Dart Band album from the 70's (that I happen to have a copy of). The album title is "Amnesia."

Again; how did Bluebeard deflect that (Sawyer's) shot?
That's exactly what I thought when I first saw it. But then I remembered Jack's comment about him having one guy up on a hill with a gun, talking to bluebeard. The context was because someone else shot at Sawyer -- it wasn't a deflection. I watched the show a second time, and at that scene it seemed like an "Other" grazed Sawyer with a bullet as a warning not to try to harm their leader. So Sawyer never actually shot his gun.

Big let down compared to last week's episode.

Well, I wouldn't personally consider it a let-down, but I do agree that last weeks ep seemed to me to be much more involving wrt the back-story. They seem to like to change things up a lot, and I think this is one more example.

For some reason I was thinking Alex was the French woman's daughter, not son (just from memory of last year). I remember thinking that maybe that was her that threw the molatov cocktail on the raft when they took Walt.

As far as the army goes; I say it's about time. Also, I wonder if the results (of chasing after Michael) would have been different if they'd taken Eko, Sayid, and AL with them. Seems like Jack went off half-cocked in his quest, though I'm sure he thought he'd lose the trail if he let it get too cold. Bad planning when you're dealing with the "Island-billy's". :p

New bits to ponder:

- Zeke calls out to Alex - Rousseau's daughter?
- When Jack mentions the spy in their camp, Zeke looks a little confused

And most importantly:

- Zeke says "Someone a whole lot smarter than any of us here once said 'From the dawn of our species, man has been blessed with curiosity'". Check out this page (http://thehansofoundation.org/) to see who said that and why it is probably the most important clue revealed. (If absolutely anything outside the episodes is a spoiler to you, you might not want to click the link.)

Was his name really Zeke or is that what Sawyer happens to call him?

Island hillbilly?

Lost is turning into a contemporary "Deliverance," isn't it?

Which one is the poor Ned Beatty character? :D

man, how long can they keep stringing these episodes out before people quit watching?
Not sure about people, but I suspect trolls will be watching 'til the end. ;)

I think Zeke was just another of Sawyer's nicknames.

Great episode. Sawyer had some great one-liners, we "met" one of the others, and we found out what happened to Jack's wife (although not the whole story...yet.) The ending was sweet: setting us up for a battle royale on the island.

Seriously, I have no idea how people could be disappointed or let down by this episode. We hear it every week: too slow, too much back story, not enough back story, not enough about the others, blah, blah, blah.

I enjoyed it, at least. I think perhaps some should try a different show.

Well the big showdown was just a little bit at the end. Jack's backstory was kind of repetitive. He won't give up and he likes to fix people. OK we got that when he fixed the girl who became his wife.

But yeah it was pretty Hollywood, how Zeke appeared out of the shadows and then proceeded to taunt them all and give them the "Not in my house" sermon. Is Zeke a hillbilly or a gansta rapper?

I feel that M.C. Gainey is the perfect person to play "Zeke" or the "Bearded Man". The voice is great as we see nothing but a shadow or darkness.

According to IMDB, it has him listed from the first season as "Bearded Man" and tonight's episode as "Mr. Friendly". Interesting! What's next, are they going to list Locke as "Mr. Clean". :p

Continuity error, perhaps. The X-rays in Jack's backstory were dated "16 Nov 2005"

So who was the actress that played Gabriella, the rich guy's daughter? Because she was like hot and stuff. :D

Anyone notice that when Jack was talking to his wife in bed that he had NO tattoos?

nobody else mentioned that the bearded guy said something to locke along the lines of 'you dont come into another mans house and start opening doors", in other words the hatch, in other words the "others" know about the hatch and they see it as theirs? he implied the whole island is his, and that door was his, and locke just took it over?

nobody else mentioned that the bearded guy said something to locke along the lines of 'you dont come into another mans house and start opening doors", in other words the hatch, in other words the "others" know about the hatch and they see it as theirs? he implied the whole island is his, and that door was his, and locke just took it over?It's hard to really tell what he meant by those statements because it seems like these "others" were unaware of the bunker(s) and Desmond's "button-pushing" activities. I thought the "bearded-guy" made reference to not crossing a line to their side of the island, which implied if the boundaries were respected Jack & crew, would be left alone.

If these "others" are as bad as they seem to be... I'm surprised Jack, Locke, Sawyer & Kate were not captured or killed during the encounter. Why were they allowed to drop their weapons and return to camp?

It's hard to really tell what he meant by those statements because it seems like these "others" were unaware of the bunker(s) and Desmond's "button-pushing" activities. I thought the "bearded-guy" made reference to not crossing a line to their side of the island, which implied if the boundaries were respected Jack & crew, would be left alone.

If these "others" are as bad as they seem to be... I'm surprised Jack, Locke, Sawyer & Kate were not captured or killed during the encounter. Why were they allowed to drop their weapons and return to camp?
i was pretty sure he knew about the bunker, he looks right at locke when he mentioned the 'opening other peoples doors' thing, i definatly think he meant blowing open the hatch

By the way I think it's pretty clear now that the Old Bearded Dude (OBD) is not the Scientist from Training Film (STF).

Why? There was no indication either way last night.

i was pretty sure he knew about the bunker, he looks right at locke when he mentioned the 'opening other peoples doors' thing, i definatly think he meant blowing open the hatchCould be, I wonder why they left it alone? Perhaps the bunker that Ana Lucia & Mr. Eko found had been breached by the "others" given it was abandoned and appeared to have been ransacked. Maybe the other bunker is on the side of the island that the "others" don't venture to and/or it was too well defended by Desmond and his predecessors, which is why it remains intact.

I'd want more proof than that. Just because there were torches, doesn't mean there were people holding them.

They "flamed on" and "flamed off" rather quickly, didn't they?

It's hard to really tell what he meant by those statements because it seems like these "others" were unaware of the bunker(s) and Desmond's "button-pushing" activities. I thought the "bearded-guy" made reference to not crossing a line to their side of the island, which implied if the boundaries were respected Jack & crew, would be left alone.

This would also explain why the tail-enders were attacked and Jack &Co. were left alone (until they went wanering).

They "flamed on" and "flamed off" rather quickly, didn't they?


I think they are using the new and improved "Torch Clapper". :rolleyes:

Also, when the Old Bearded Dude said that Walt was a "very special boy", I got the feeling that he was referring to some kind of psychic or ("special") powers.

Are the others Dharma survivors who got stranded on the island after experiments went ary?

Continuity error, perhaps. The X-rays in Jack's backstory were dated "16 Nov 2005"

Well, there's the number '16', but what's with Nov 2005? Is there a clue here?

Are the others Dharma survivors who got stranded on the island after experiments went ary?

Is the "old bearded dude" Alvar Hanso?

Great episode. Sawyer had some great one-liners, we "met" one of the others, and we found out what happened to Jack's wife (although not the whole story...yet.) The ending was sweet: setting us up for a battle royale on the island.

Seriously, I have no idea how people could be disappointed or let down by this episode. We hear it every week: too slow, too much back story, not enough back story, not enough about the others, blah, blah, blah.

I enjoyed it, at least. I think perhaps some should try a different show.

I am one of those that was getting bored with this show and will have to say last nights show aws very good and will watch again next week but I was real close to cutting this off my to do list

nobody else mentioned that the bearded guy said something to locke along the lines of 'you dont come into another mans house and start opening doors", in other words the hatch, in other words the "others" know about the hatch and they see it as theirs? he implied the whole island is his, and that door was his, and locke just took it over?

I believe bearded guy knew about the hatch and the other shelter also occupied. He said doors not door.

He may also not see the hatch as his door, but some "other peoples" door. If that is true, the statement made is still clear.

He sees part of the island as his turf. He seems to imply they can stay if they remain in their area. I suspect the DHARMA folks have rights to the other portions of the island in his view.

Ed

This would also explain why the tail-enders were attacked and Jack &Co. were left alone (until they went wanering).Excellent point. I wonder if Rousseau and Desmond will play any part before this seasons end?

The "Others" have to be Dharma. Walt was using a networked Dharma computer to talk with his Dad. So the Others have to be in one or more Dharma facilities on the island.

Are the others Dharma survivors who got stranded on the island after experiments went ary?Correct. The film makes reference to not repeating the previous mistakes in training that led to an incident and the "others" must be the result.

I still wonder if there are two groups of "others" and they both desire children.

We have the old bearded guy group, who took Walt and Alex, then we have the Goodwin/Ethan group who took the tailee kids and tried to take Aaron (before he was born).

The old bearded guy group is sneaky, but conventional and "sane" (for the most part).

The Ethan/Goodwin group is is even sneakier, unconventional, and insane (perhaps the ones that were infected with the disease Russoue (sp?) refferred to.

Perhaps the old bearded guy's folks were the ones who got Claire free from the Ethan/Goodwin group? They'll wait for Aaron to be a bit more grown up before they want him, or perhaps he's not the right kind of "special."

I'm still not sure if Michael was imagining his computer conversations with walt or not, but considering that he seemed to know where he was going, I think that he was either talking to walt or something was influencing him to where he knew where to go.

I also agree with whoever said that someone took a shot at Sawyer before Sawyer got a shot off at bearded dude, becuase later on Jack (I think) said, how do we know it's not just you and one other guy - which demonstrates they knew there was one other guy with beardy.

The "Others" have to be Dharma. Walt was using a networked Dharma computer to talk with his Dad. So the Others have to be in one or more Dharma facilities on the island.Perhaps if they followed the path from where "Sayid pulls the wire, lifting it out of the sand, leading into the jungle." they will find it.

I didn't even notice Sawyer got a shot off, my assumption was that somebody shot and grazed him.

BTW - I liked the Jindiana Jones hat. :D

I still wonder if there are two groups of "others" and they both desire children.

We have the old bearded guy group, who took Walt and Alex, then we have the Goodwin/Ethan group who took the tailee kids and tried to take Aaron (before he was born).

The old bearded guy group is sneaky, but conventional and "sane" (for the most part).

The Ethan/Goodwin group is is even sneakier, unconventional, and insane (perhaps the ones that were infected with the disease Russoue (sp?) refferred to.


Your note triggered a thought. I seem to remember in the first season, Locke talked about there would come a time when they would be two groups (I think he was talking to Sayid?) and that he wanted him (Sayid?) on his side. Does anyone remember this, hopefully with a better recollection than mine?

So, how did Bluebeard deflect that shot? Poor, poor Sawyer.....


I couldn't help but laugh, poor Sawyer is getting his ass kicked on a weekly basis these days. :-)

"Train an Army"....cool. Not Jack Bauer cool, but a cool line nonetheless.


Yeah, I think he's in WAY over his head though. Sayid or Eko need to be in charge. But I doubt Eko would go along with the Army idea very easily.

Great episode. Sawyer had some great one-liners, we "met" one of the others, and we found out what happened to Jack's wife (although not the whole story...yet.) The ending was sweet: setting us up for a battle royale on the island.

Seriously, I have no idea how people could be disappointed or let down by this episode. We hear it every week: too slow, too much back story, not enough back story, not enough about the others, blah, blah, blah.

I enjoyed it, at least. I think perhaps some should try a different show.

I love this show, but I can understand some of the criticism:

Why not ask "WHY did you take Walt?" instead of "Where is Walt?" (as if they guy would tell him)

When the guy starts criticising them for taking liberties in someone else's house, why not throw it back in his face and ask him why they didn't just come talk them in the first place? If there are boundries, point them out?

It was a bit of a tease, and really gave us no new information. It was very cool though :-)

Your note triggered a thought. I seem to remember in the first season, Locke talked about there would come a time when they would be two groups (I think he was talking to Sayid?) and that he wanted him (Sayid?) on his side. Does anyone remember this, hopefully with a better recollection than mine?

Yes, I remember he was telling Boone that. He didn't specifically say there would be two sides of the survivors, just that they would need Sayid on their side because he was capable and smart.

I still wonder if there are two groups of "others" and they both desire children.

We have the old bearded guy group, who took Walt and Alex, then we have the Goodwin/Ethan group who took the tailee kids and tried to take Aaron (before he was born).

The old bearded guy group is sneaky, but conventional and "sane" (for the most part).

The Ethan/Goodwin group is is even sneakier, unconventional, and insane (perhaps the ones that were infected with the disease Russoue (sp?) refferred to.

Perhaps the old bearded guy's folks were the ones who got Claire free from the Ethan/Goodwin group? They'll wait for Aaron to be a bit more grown up before they want him, or perhaps he's not the right kind of "special."So if the "others" are really good people then you can see why they shot Michael to steal Walt. They knew Michaels raft would eventually sink so they had to save Walt and Michael just got in their way. Seems justifiable to me... and a good guy like Goodwin had to break Nathan’s neck and attack Ana Lucia to hide is identity because she is such a hot head she wouldn’t understand why the "others" had to take the children. Now Jack wants to use her to "build an army." As his wife said Jack "will always need to fix things."

Shooting Sawyer, then firebombing their raft (after they had Walt) might stretch most people's definition of "good".

I figured Goodwin and Ethan were both part of the bad part of the others...not the "good" camp (relatively speaking)....I guess we'll (not) find out....

this is bluebeard. I know I've seen him in several other movies and tv shows:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0301370/

I wonder if "Mr. Friendly" is his actual character name.

So who do you think Jack's wife was messing around with? You know it is going to be someone on the island! Sawyer perhaps running his scam?

something tells me that it'll wind up being Jack's dad. That would explain the big blowup between the two, that caused his dad to run away

also, I loved the "Mr Clean" reference:

Locke: Why did you pick that name?
Sawyer: Well all your missing is the earring and the mop

Also, nobody mentioned that we know Sawyer's real name now - Jason Ford. I don't believe that name ever came up before.
Back to season one, when Hurley was going through the manifest and discovered Ethan wasn't on the flight, I guess Hurley discussed with Locke about Ford/Sawyer, and are making a very big assumption about Sawyer being in the same seat as Ford. I guess they know he was on the flight because they either remember seeing him in the Australian airport or on the flight itself.

One other thing, is Oceanic the default movie Airplane name, similar to 555 for phone numbers ? I was watching Executive Decision the other day, and sure enough, the name of the airplane was Oceanic. It'll be real spooky, though, is if Steven Seagal's character shows up as one of the Others on the Island :eek:

I wonder if "Mr. Friendly" is his actual character name.

I don't want to spoil things, but theres a certain picture of Mr. Friendly that explains exactly who he is....the Lost boards are FULL of maniacs who go over every scene with a fine-tooth comb and discover all sorts of crap....but rest assure, Mr. Friendly is not his real name.

Also, it was already shown, though briefly who Jack's wife was screwing around...go back and watch the begining episodes of Season 2 and you should see it...

/no spoilers, I promise

Another small piece last night in support of the theory that Locke's "Dad" is the real Sawyer.

Another small piece last night in support of the theory that Locke's "Dad" is the real Sawyer.

heh I've heard a lot of theories, but I never heard that one....that would be pretty interesting but I don't really see it...

So you guys wouldn't ask a single question to a bunch of people you've never seen before on an island that you've been living on for 50 days thinking you were alone? (ok, maybe they knew they weren't alone but they haven't made inteligent contact with these people)

I'm sorry, I love Lost, but JJ pulled the rug out from under us...they revealed nothing when it was almost too easy to reveal something...just something...

I think the first logical question you'd ask was, "WHO ARE YOU?"
And then: "WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?"
Or finally, "WHATS WRONG WITH THIS ISLAND?"

I'm sorry, but that was a cheap shot and I think a lot of people will see right threw it. It was just plain dumb. And why does Jack want to build an army? To fight a group of people? For what reason?

Arg, I truly love the show...I just hate it when JJ pulls this BS


I agree with you. I too love the show and will continue to watch it, but my first thought after the show ended was: "Crap, did LOST jump the shark tonight?"

from the previews last night of next week's episode, there will be no reappearance of the Others, as it seems to concentrate on Charlie, his drugs, and Claire's baby. If I base the assumption on the previous pace of this show, does that mean we have to wait for another 4 or more episodes before we see anything about the Others, or even Michael, again ?

New bits to ponder:

And most importantly:

- Zeke says "Someone a whole lot smarter than any of us here once said 'From the dawn of our species, man has been blessed with curiosity'". Check out this page (http://thehansofoundation.org/) to see who said that and why it is probably the most important clue revealed. (If absolutely anything outside the episodes is a spoiler to you, you might not want to click the link.)

Very interesting web link.

The "Terms of Use" link takes you to a Disney page.

On the "Active Projects" page, there's is a hidden link that appears only when you mouse over it at the bottom of the page list of projects... it's the inititation film about the Dharma Initiative by Dr Marvin Candle (Cando?).

So who was the actress that played Gabriella, the rich guy's daughter? Because she was like hot and stuff. :D

According to IMDB, her name is Monica Dean. This isn't too much information on her out there.

According to IMDB, her name is Monica Dean. This isn't too much information on her out there.
Monica Barladeanu (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1715144/)

Monica Barladeanu (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1715144/)

No wonder there wasn't too much out there on Monica Dean..... :rolleyes:

If you guys want to join the crazies (and I use this term with the most respect)

look here:

http://www.4815162342.com

and

http://forums.go.com/abc/oceanic/index

Honestly, these people are so obssessed with Lost, it almost makes you sick...be WARNED, lots of spoilers over there even if they don't think they are....but sometimes, its worth it to read what they have come up with...some of them go INCREDIBLY in-depth

Also, it was already shown, though briefly who Jack's wife was screwing around...go back and watch the begining episodes of Season 2 and you should see it...

/no spoilers, I promise

If it already aired it isn't a spoiler. Who was it, I missed it? Unless of course, they just hinted at something in the aired episode, and you needed un-aired information to piece it together.

More Monica. http://www.monicadean.info/page.php?id=0

If it already aired it isn't a spoiler. Who was it, I missed it? Unless of course, they just hinted at something in the aired episode, and you needed un-aired information to piece it together.


apparently its already been discussed....

but just in case you missed it:

In the 1st or 2nd episode of season 2, Jack pics up a picture from the hatch that has Desmond and women that looks like Jack wife...at least a lot of people thought it looked like her

More Monica. http://www.monicadean.info/page.php?id=0

major spanish hottie

Ooh la la.
http://www.monicadean.info/resize.php?file=upload/r23_1.jpg&max=600

apparently its already been discussed....

but just in case you missed it:

In the 1st or 2nd episode of season 2, Jack pics up a picture from the hatch that has Desmond and women that looks like Jack wife...at least a lot of people thought it looked like her
so desmond was banging jacks wife??? wow anybody have screen shots of the pic + jacks wife to compare??

If Jack saw a picture of Desmond with his wife, and it slipped his mind to ask Desmond about it - that would be pretty lame.

Ooh la la.
http://www.monicadean.info/resize.php?file=upload/r23_1.jpg&max=600

http://www.monicadean.info/resize.php?file=upload/r27_2.jpg&max=600

Good one of her

If Jack saw a picture of Desmond with his wife, and it slipped his mind to ask Desmond about it - that would be pretty lame.

well I think he picked up the picture after Desmond ran off (which happened in the first episode)....again, wasn't last nights episode pretty lame? I have a feeling they're going to have to resolve why the cast didn't ask any questions...I mean, I feel like something has to be said about how stupid that was....it was almost too stupid

major spanish hottie

Apparently she's Romanian. Would you believe she was Ms Transylvania? Too funny!

One other thing, is Oceanic the default movie Airplane name, similar to 555 for phone numbers ? I was watching Executive Decision the other day, and sure enough, the name of the airplane was Oceanic. It'll be real spooky, though, is if Steven Seagal's character shows up as one of the Others on the Island :eek:
Oceanic has been the default movie airline since the eighties. I believe I mentioned this 162 pages ago :p . Really, I have seen Oceanic in at least five movies, none whose titles I can remember at the moment. Apparently most actual airlines do not want their name associated with mid-air break ups, terrorists, negligent design, or psychotic co-pilots and the like.
Must have a charter 747 hanging around the Orange County Airport and various models for hire.

Airport and Executive Decision were two of them.

Gus, I never said (or meant to imply) that old beardy's group was good, just meant that they're not quite as crazy as Ethan amd Goodwins group - or at least more conservative and reasonable than them.

So is it time for a group recap? Here are what I think are seen and unseen potential inhabitants of the island, or at least folks that have been on the island.

1. Fuselage group + tailees, now one group
2. French folks, only Rusoue left (and maybe Alex + diseased is in one of the 'others' groups)
3. Black Rock Crew, dunno what's up with them.. perhaps their descendants belong to"others"
4. Drug Plance Crew, all dead
5. 1-5 groups of "others"
- Goodwin's "others"
- Ethan's "others"
- Blubeard's "others"
- Dharma station folks
- Dharma "observers"

I'm still thinking Ethan was Desmond's bunker buddy.

Apparently she's Romanian. Would you believe she was Ms Transylvania? Too funny!

heh, I couldn't tell if she was speaking Spanish or Italian...

regardless, I'd hit it

I'm still thinking Ethan was Desmond's bunker buddy.


Didn't Desmond say his partner died??? and he buried him?

Oceanic has been the default movie airline since the eighties. I believe I mentioned this 162 pages ago :p . Really, I have seen Oceanic in at least five movies, none whose titles I can remember at the moment. Apparently most actual airlines do not want their name associated with mid-air break ups, terrorists, negligent design, or psychotic co-pilots and the like.
Must have a charter 747 hanging around the Orange County Airport and various models for hire.

Go watch the Bonus Features on the Season 1 DVD...they explain about the airplane and why they used it...and yes its the same plane as the one in Executive Decision...

It was transported via ship to Hawaii from some junkyard in California...

Wait, I'm a bit confused... I think I'm watching too much tv

What is puzzling to me is how Claire's psychic becomes the President of Russia!

President Logan's wife has the map with the location of the black rock, and sends Jack Bauer to investigate.

***For those that have TIVO, the program should have recorded until 10:01 PM, since the show was listed on the guide as 9:00 -10:01 PM***

Found the link I was looking for, It is the Airline of the stars!
http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=2799528724999&lang=en-US&mkt=en-US&FORM=CVRE13
So it wasn't the eighties, but started with "Executive" in 1996.

Wait, I'm a bit confused... I think I'm watching too much tv

What is puzzling to me is how Claire's psychic becomes the President of Russia!

President Logan's wife has the map with the location of the black rock, and sends Jack Bauer to investigate.

***For those that have TIVO, the program should have recorded until 10:01 PM, since the show was listed on the guide as 9:00 -10:01 PM***


lol did you drink and watch Lost and 24 back to back?

Found the link I was looking for, It is the Airline of the stars!
http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=2799528724999&lang=en-US&mkt=en-US&FORM=CVRE13

FYI: Could not find the requested document in the cache.

heres what i dont get.. is if jack wants to train an army.. why would he goto Ana who was only a cop and not to Sayid who was in the iraqi army?

im ready for island war lol..

Second time there it wouldn't come up for me either, try this;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_Airlines

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/rickmccamy/3247532text.jpg

Text pasted from the Airliners.com site

heres what i dont get.. is if jack wants to train an army.. why would he goto Ana who was only a cop and not to Sayid who was in the iraqi army?

im ready for island war lol..

Probably because unlike Sayid and the rest of the survivors, Ana has killed not just one but two of them. Also Mr Eko, of course, but I wouldn't count on his help in this endeavor.

...regardless, I'd hit it

It's nice to dream, isn't it?

I still don't get it, why are they going to war in the first place? Ego? Testorone?

It doesn't make any sense....they better break it down a lot more than just, the mean old man made me angry so now I'm going to fight him...that would make me stop watching the show

I still don't get it, why are they going to war in the first place? Ego? Testorone?

It doesn't make any sense....they better break it down a lot more than just, the mean old man made me angry so now I'm going to fight him...that would make me stop watching the show


I assumed it was to get Walt back (and maybe Michael)

I hate to say it, because I love the show, but I think it might be going off the tracks. The cracks in the basic idea of the premise are starting to show. The first, and most basic of the flaws (and the one I find the most irritating, and the one most responsible for my increasing criticism) is how the characters just. Don't. Talk. To. Each. Other. It's past annoying, and becoming ridiculous. In regards to current events: Why didn't Michael tell Jack he's been IM'ing Walt? Might that perhaps have been important information to know? Perhaps the other Losties would have been willing -- eager! -- to go off in search of his son if they knew he was alive. It was easier to believe they wouldn't share secrets at the beginning of the show, when they were strangers and they all thought rescue was imminent. Now, when it should be patently clear to all of them that they're going to be on the island for a while, sharing information, no matter how trivial or silly it might seem, is of paramount importance. They've seen polar bears and evil black smoke -- why not tell Michael that at least two people saw Walt in the jungle? Is it so hard to believe?

Another problem is with the backstory flashbacks; they're becoming cumbersome, and detrimental to the arc of the show. They're no longer serving the purpose of character building, and instead now function more as character reinforcement. One of the purposes of a character flashback in a narrative is to set up a flawed character for redemption, yet these are now setting up the character for little more than the revelation of more flaws. For example, we see only that Jack is a broken man in many ways...and then we see it again, and again, and again. And the opportunities he's had to confide in people go unused, which means his character is doomed to remain in neutral until...when, exactly? Even last night, when presented with the opportunity to ask questions during the confrontation, the characters...did nothing. Asked nothing. Found out nothing.

And I think the plot itself it headed for a crash, if it hasn’t happened already. The high point so far has clearly been the momentous event of opening the hatch and climing down, and yet it hasn't really been followed up in any meaningful way. Entering the numbers into the computer; the training film -- both go unremarked upon for weeks as lesser stories about Mr. Eko fill air time. And next week a Charlie story? How many weeks are going to go by while we wait to learn what happened to Michael? Will any of the other characters even mention him?

I'm beginning to think that the basic premise for the show isn't sustainable for more than a few years. I can easily see it slipping into an X-Files-esque hell of continually unanswered questions as time goes by. I hope I'm wrong.

On going to "war"

besides Walt and michael- dont forget the pile of Tailes alreadykidnapped and maybe the french chicks kid would be nice too.

Plus the best defense is a good offense comes to mind. THey still dont know/understand why they are getting picked off one by one so wouldn't it be best to bring the fight to the 'enemy' rather then wiating to get killed or kidnapped one at a time?

I assumed it was to get Walt back (and maybe Michael)

good point, I completely overlooked that...but then again, I would think Jack would be smart enough to not try to amass an army of untrained civilians to go up against an ememy with immense strength and powers...as well as homefield advantage...I dunno, just seems rather hasty and not well thought out...it really bugs me why he didn't ask any questions...

Another thought, maybe Jack is interested in DEFENSE. A trained army would defend a bit better than a bedraggled one.

I'm sorry, I love Lost, but JJ pulled the rug out from under us...they revealed nothing when it was almost too easy to reveal something...just something...

I think the first logical question you'd ask was, "WHO ARE YOU?"
And then: "WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?"
Or finally, "WHATS WRONG WITH THIS ISLAND?"

I'm sorry, but that was a cheap shot and I think a lot of people will see right threw it. It was just plain dumb. And why does Jack want to build an army? To fight a group of people? For what reason?

Arg, I truly love the show...I just hate it when JJ pulls this BS

JJ Abrams isn't running the show. Damon Lindelof is. Abrams is still technically listed as Executive Producer, but right now he's off finishing up Mission: Impossible 3, and I expect after that he'll focus his energies on wrapping up Alias, which is still his baby and will be coming to a close this season.

Abrams was never the guiding creative force behind Lost. He was brought onto the production team at the last minute at the network's insistence.

I still don't get it, why are they going to war in the first place? Ego? Testorone?

It doesn't make any sense....they better break it down a lot more than just, the mean old man made me angry so now I'm going to fight him...that would make me stop watching the show


Hmmm...let's see:

1) Ethan kidnaps Claire
1a) Forgot, Ethan flipping HUNG Charlie and killed him (only Jack brought him back)
2) Ethan killed a survivor
3) Tailies lose most of their people to kidnappings
4) Tailies kill 4 Others (2 that Eko got, 2 that Ana took care of)
5) Others kidnap Walt
6) Others shoot Sawyer
7) Others blow up raft (effectively killing the other 2 in their minds)
8) Others kidnap Kate and hold her hostage
9) From the previews, they may make a move on Aaron (not sure)

They are ALREADY at war, they have to prepare themselves. I just don't think Jack is the man to lead this particular crusade. He's not a wartime consigliere :-)

I'm beginning to think that the basic premise for the show isn't sustainable for more than a few years. I can easily see it slipping into an X-Files-esque hell of continually unanswered questions as time goes by. I hope I'm wrong.


I'm fine with that...tell the story and then end it. Don't drag it out for 7 seasons for $$.

I love this show, but I can understand some of the criticism:

Why not ask "WHY did you take Walt?" instead of "Where is Walt?" (as if they guy would tell him)
They're looking for a kidnapped boy. Their number one priority is FINDING him, not figuring out the motivation of the kidnappers. Wouldn't have made any sense whatsoever to ask "WHY" instead of "WHERE".

When the guy starts criticising them for taking liberties in someone else's house, why not throw it back in his face and ask him why they didn't just come talk them in the first place? If there are boundries, point them out?

It was a bit of a tease, and really gave us no new information. It was very cool though :-)
They really don't know anything about this guy, or the others, but know they are potentially very dangerous. Sawyer gets shot when he tries to be a hero, so that freezes the rest (for the most part.) Jack calls the old guys bluff, but he somehow gets a bunch of torches lit to surround them. They're not exactly in much of a bargaining or questioning position, and when the bring out Kate that pretty much seals it.

As for no new information, we got plenty of new information. We now know that Jack's wife left him. We're pretty sure the others know about the hatch (at least one of them.) We learned the bearded guy is aware of Alvar Hanso (his quote was from Hanso.) We learned the others don't necessarily kill everyone they meet...they let them go last night. We learned that Walt is safe (if the old guy is to be believed.)

That's quite a bit. I guess they could have wrapped up all the loose ends and ended the series last night, that way everyone would be happy that we learned plenty of "new information."

Why? There was no indication either way last night.

Reasons I think Zeke is not Dr. DeGroot (scientist from the film):

1. They don't really look alike if you compare closeup photos

2. DeGroot has black hair/beard and wears glasses, Zeke has none of that and seems to see perfectly well without glasses.

3. Zeke and his boys seem militaresque in their jungle skills, organization, and shooting skills. They just seem to be the types of folks that a scientist like DeGroot exactly isn't. It would be quite a stretch for a scientist like him to morph into such a badass, I don't care how long he's been on the island.

4. Zeke gives a quote from Hanso and says it's from a guy "a lot smarter than any of us" - but DeGroot is like a genius scientist right? Wouldn't he be as smart as or smarter than Hanso?

5. The tail section folks found a military type trunk and also a military knife didn't they in their bunker? Again, making me think there's military dudes on the island for some reason. OLD military dudes, based on age of the knife and also the age of Zeke's rather ancient gun. Plus Zeke's "uniform" is rather old style looking.

So, is the army-building thing going to be this season's "hatch" ? In other words, is this going to be the thing that they will spend the rest of the season dragging out and building up to for the season finale? I'm thinking yes.

More Monica. http://www.monicadean.info/page.php?id=0


Monica Dean got a recurring part in “LOST”, the no.1 TV show in the United States.

I like the " recurring part " :D

I wanna see Hurley in boot camp. :D

Gus, I never said (or meant to imply) that old beardy's group was good, just meant that they're not quite as crazy as Ethan amd Goodwins group - or at least more conservative and reasonable than them.


I agree. I don't think they are good, but maybe they're not bad. If they have been on the island for a long time, maybe they've just learned to be separatists and are very defensive of their "territory."

Also, we don't fully know the implications of them taking Walt or where Michael now is. Maybe they think they are doing what is best for them.

Hmmm...let's see:

1) Ethan kidnaps Claire
1a) Forgot, Ethan flipping HUNG Charlie and killed him (only Jack brought him back)
2) Ethan killed a survivor
3) Tailies lose most of their people to kidnappings
4) Tailies kill 4 Others (2 that Eko got, 2 that Ana took care of)
5) Others kidnap Walt
6) Others shoot Sawyer
7) Others blow up raft (effectively killing the other 2 in their minds)
8) Others kidnap Kate and hold her hostage
9) From the previews, they may make a move on Aaron (not sure)

They are ALREADY at war, they have to prepare themselves. I just don't think Jack is the man to lead this particular crusade. He's not a wartime consigliere :-)They're looking for a kidnapped boy. Their number one priority is FINDING him, not figuring out the motivation of the kidnappers. Wouldn't have made any sense whatsoever to ask "WHY" instead of "WHERE".


Quote:
When the guy starts criticising them for taking liberties in someone else's house, why not throw it back in his face and ask him why they didn't just come talk them in the first place? If there are boundries, point them out?

It was a bit of a tease, and really gave us no new information. It was very cool though :-)


They really don't know anything about this guy, or the others, but know they are potentially very dangerous. Sawyer gets shot when he tries to be a hero, so that freezes the rest (for the most part.) Jack calls the old guys bluff, but he somehow gets a bunch of torches lit to surround them. They're not exactly in much of a bargaining or questioning position, and when the bring out Kate that pretty much seals it.

As for no new information, we got plenty of new information. We now know that Jack's wife left him. We're pretty sure the others know about the hatch (at least one of them.) We learned the bearded guy is aware of Alvar Hanso (his quote was from Hanso.) We learned the others don't necessarily kill everyone they meet...they let them go last night. We learned that Walt is safe (if the old guy is to be believed.)

That's quite a bit. I guess they could have wrapped up all the loose ends and ended the series last night, that way everyone would be happy that we learned plenty of "new information."Both good posts. Now I won't have to type them :). It's amazing, sometimes I read posts here and wonder if the people are even watching the same show I am...


ron

Seriously, I have no idea how people could be disappointed or let down by this episode. We hear it every week: too slow, too much back story, not enough back story, not enough about the others, blah, blah, blah.
Well, last week's episode was one of the best so this week's was bound to a little bit of a letdown. This episode is obviously building up to some better ones.

But Lordie, we had Michael going Rambo about his son, again! Is this not looking a little ridiculous to some people?

That's it Michael. Don't tell anybody what you're doing. Don't ask for any help. Don't tell anybody anything. Remember when Jack told you that the first chance they get, they were all going to go out and rescue Walt? I don't think he meant "Any time you want, just point a gun at me and lock me up in a room with Locke, then run out and get killed." Just do whatever you can to risk your life and your son's life because if those jerks help you save your son, he'll never ever love you. :rolleyes:

Let me start out by saying, that I don't like Michael...

But, I am thinking that right before he went Rambo, that he had another conversation with the computer. It probably said something like, "If you want to see your son again, head north....and come alone!" Because how did he know which way to go?

Or I could be way off base, and Michael is an idiot :D

I agree. I don't think they are good, but maybe they're not bad. If they have been on the island for a long time, maybe they've just learned to be separatists and are very defensive of their "territory."

Also, we don't fully know the implications of them taking Walt or where Michael now is. Maybe they think they are doing what is best for them.

Another thing I don't get is why The Others haven't left the island. They have a boat, or did anyway. Did I miss that part of the discussion? Why are they seemingly so intent on staying?

JJ Abrams isn't running the show. Damon Lindelof is. Abrams is still technically listed as Executive Producer, but right now he's off finishing up Mission: Impossible 3, and I expect after that he'll focus his energies on wrapping up Alias, which is still his baby and will be coming to a close this season.

Abrams was never the guiding creative force behind Lost. He was brought onto the production team at the last minute at the network's insistence.

while I don't doubt that JJ isn't a big part of Lost now, to say he was brought in last minute is wrong...according to bonus features on the DVD, HE came up with the idea...it was his concept which was then molded by different people to what it now is...This is JJ's show and while he may not be the show-runner right now, I have no doubt that he has some form of control over where the series is going.

Let me start out by saying, that I don't like Michael...

But, I am thinking that right before he went Rambo, that he had another conversation with the computer. It probably said something like, "If you want to see your son again, head north....and come alone!" Because how did he know which way to go?

Or I could be way off base, and Michael is an idiot :DMichael definitely is a major hot head, but I agree about the computer thing. He did say something to Jack about him not knowing what was going on regarding Walt, which would seem to indicate he had further "conversation" on the computer and learned additional info. Now whether it was real or imagined or a trap or whatever who knows. I'm sure we'll find out eventually (but I'm sure not fast enough for some people so we'll have to read numerous posts about how many ep have gone by without an explanation...).

It went by so fast, but what exactly was going on with Claire's baby in the previews?


ron

I'm really hoping that Michael did get some information from the computer (real or imagined) that will explain why he was even more off the wall than usual.

BTW, Jack's wife was sleeping with Zeke. See, that explans everything! :)

something tells me that it'll wind up being Jack's dad. That would explain the big blowup between the two, that caused his dad to run away


Yeah, because Jack causing his father to lose his job and his license to practice medicine just didn't seem like enough of a reason.

They're looking for a kidnapped boy. Their number one priority is FINDING him, not figuring out the motivation of the kidnappers. Wouldn't have made any sense whatsoever to ask "WHY" instead of "WHERE".

Sure there is...the kidnappers aren't going to answer the WHERE part...it's just a dumb question. They MIGHT answer why and give them some real info that might help them further down the road.

As for no new information, we got plenty of new information. We now know that Jack's wife left him. We're pretty sure the others know about the hatch (at least one of them.) We learned the bearded guy is aware of Alvar Hanso (his quote was from Hanso.) We learned the others don't necessarily kill everyone they meet...they let them go last night. We learned that Walt is safe (if the old guy is to be believed.)

As far as info goes, I was referring to their conversation with the Others (not Jack's backstory, which in of itself wasn't really informative. We already know Jack is a control freak, save the world by himself kind of guy. What a shock that it ruined his marrige :-)

All the rest are pretty useless bits of info that we already knew:

Did anyone doubt the Others knew about Hanso or the hatch?

We already knew there would be a bunch of Others, how else could they take 9 people at the same time (2 per person probably).

Of course he'd say Walt is safe, he's a kidnapper. What's he going to say, that he's dead? He loses all leverage. I tend to believe him, since we know the kids are walking around the jungle barefoot and seem to be alive.

My frustration isn't that the Others didn't answer any questions, it's that Jack and company DIDN'T ASK. If they had, and the Others had said "Mind your business", well at least they had the brains to ask. :-)

That's quite a bit. I guess they could have wrapped up all the loose ends and ended the series last night, that way everyone would be happy that we learned plenty of "new information."

I love this show and will continue to watch to the end, but that doesn't mean I can't point out some obvious frustrations when watching it. I've no desire to see every question answered in the next episode, but I'd like to see that characters have the brains to ASK them.

heres what i dont get.. is if jack wants to train an army.. why would he goto Ana who was only a cop and not to Sayid who was in the iraqi army?

im ready for island war lol..Because her last name is Cortez ;)

Another thing I don't get is why The Others haven't left the island. They have a boat, or did anyway. Did I miss that part of the discussion? Why are they seemingly so intent on staying?


The boat seems way too small and short range to make a significant voyage. It was a power boat, not a sail boat, meaning it would need enough fuel to make the trip.

Let me start out by saying, that I don't like Michael...

But, I am thinking that right before he went Rambo, that he had another conversation with the computer. It probably said something like, "If you want to see your son again, head north....and come alone!" Because how did he know which way to go?

Or I could be way off base, and Michael is an idiot :D

I think HE thinks that Walt is trying to lead him to where he is.

He did threaten to shoot the computer, saying that it wasn't what they thought it was. So what does Michael think it is?

Because her last name is Cortez ;)

Is the leader of The Others Moctezuma?

while I don't doubt that JJ isn't a big part of Lost now, to say he was brought in last minute is wrong...according to bonus features on the DVD, HE came up with the idea...it was his concept which was then molded by different people to what it now is...This is JJ's show and while he may not be the show-runner right now, I have no doubt that he has some form of control over where the series is going.
Um actually it was the opposite. The idea was pitched in an ABC executive meeting, ABC twisted Abrams' arm to take it. He and Lindelof added all the spooky elements. Don't believe everything in DVD bonus materials! Didn't you see the disclaimer?

From the book DisneyWar (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684809931/103-5101720-7999028?v=glance&n=283155)

[ABC Chairman 2002-2004 Lloyd] Braun pitched an idea he called "Lost." He described the show as a cross between Cast Away, the 2000 movie starring Tom Hanks as a survivor on a desert island, and "Survivor" ... But, Braun explained, "not a guy alone on a desert island with a soccer ball, but rather a group of people who find themselves thrown together and now have to make a life together and form a society. A world where no one knows who anyone really is, where, at the end of the day, everyone has to figure out, 'how the hell do we get off this island?'"

"Lost" was one of dozens of ideas to emerge from the meeting that got circulated to Hollywood agencies and producers to see if any attracted any interest. A few weeks later, veteran producer Aaron Spelling (!) said he wanted to do "Lost", and ABC ordered a pilot script from a Spelling writer. When the script arrived in December, Braun hated it. A rewrite in January was, if anything, worse. Warned that the show would have to be delayed a year, Braun inisted he'd get a new writer and salvage it...

...Braun turned to J.J. Abrams, the creator of "Felicity" and "Alias," the closest thing ABC had to a hit, and did everything he could think of to interest him in the project. Finally Abrams agreed to think about it over the weekend. Heather Kadin, who worked in ABC's drama department, introduced him to a promising young writer named Damon Lindelof. They hit it off, and at their next meeting Abrams was excited. He and Lindelof had a new idea: Besides the group of castaways, the survivors of a plane crash, there would be something else on the island -- a sinister, unseen presence...

If Jack saw a picture of Desmond with his wife, and it slipped his mind to ask Desmond about it - that would be pretty lame.

Here is the image:
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=47263&fullsize=1

I don't think it was Desmond because the timeline doesn't seem to fit. However there are a couple of things that do seem to fit the theory too, so I don't know.

The following are my recollections, not double checked so let me know if I'm wrong.

Desmond was him:
- When Jack first saw Desmond he said "You!" in a somewhat angry tone.
- Jack was very interested in the photo.
- When Desmond recognizes Jack, he asks about the woman Jack was working on when they first met. Jack gets a little too emotional in this scene unless he knows he is discussing her with the man she left him for.

Desmond was not him:
- Desmond talks to Jack before Sarah's miraculous recovery. Says he is training for a race around the world.
- At wedding rehearsal, Sarah says the accident was over 2 years ago.
- Desmond says he crashed on the island during a race around the world 3 years ago.

I'd say the timeline does not fit and was not Desmond.

The woman in the pic has a much narrower face.

Desmonds photo is definately not w/ Jacks wife. Save the image and brighten it w/ photo software to see for yourself.

Desmonds photo is definately not w/ Jacks wife. Save the image and brighten it w/ photo software to see for yourself.
I agree. It's 100% not Jack's wife. No doubt in my mind.

Not to suggest that she didn't sleep with Desmond also. :)

My frustration isn't that the Others didn't answer any questions, it's that Jack and company DIDN'T ASK. If they had, and the Others had said "Mind your business", well at least they had the brains to ask. :-)


Yeah, it would have been nice to see at least a "Who the hell are you people?" line of questioning, but I can see how they may have just been fearful for their lives and Michael's/Kates once they saw her.

I want to know why jack is still wearing that key around his neck to the gun case when they have a huge lockable armory now! But the guns from the case in that room and lock them in there!

Jack doesn't trust Locke farther than he could throw him, so I guess he wants to keep his guns separate.

Not to suggest that she didn't sleep with Desmond also. :)And probably Sawyer, too. :D

And, oh my god, Hurley as well....... :D

Well, she did sleep with Michael J Fox on Tuesday night(Boston Legal). :D

Man, I kept trying to place her, figured she was some one night stand, back in the foggier days. :rolleyes:

Michael definitely is a major hot head, but I agree about the computer thing. He did say something to Jack about him not knowing what was going on regarding Walt, which would seem to indicate he had further "conversation" on the computer and learned additional info. Now whether it was real or imagined or a trap or whatever who knows. I'm sure we'll find out eventually (but I'm sure not fast enough for some people so we'll have to read numerous posts about how many ep have gone by without an explanation...).

It went by so fast, but what exactly was going on with Claire's baby in the previews?


ron


When “walt” was typing to Michael he asked if he was alone. I just assume“Walt” told him to keep the conversationss to himself and to go alone.

Now if “walt” on the pc was really Michael’s son Walt is a whole ‘nother issue… Might just have been zeke typing away…

HA HA...let's start an internet rumor that 1000's have slept with Julie Bowen just to punish her for leaving Jack. :D

Hard to believe we're halfway through Season 2 - seems like it just got started.

Is the leader of The Others Moctezuma?

Actually at first I thought it was Rupert (sp?) from the Survivor shows.

http://www.monicabarladeanu.ro/wallpapers/Monica%20Barladeanu%2002.jpg

Now if the writers can figure out a plot line to have Ms Transylvania show up on the island.......

...and the Flight 815 survivors have only been on the island for 50 days!

...and the Flight 815 survivors have only been on the island for 50 days!

The producers have already stated that each season of LOST is aprox 40 days on the Island.

Well, last week's episode was one of the best so this week's was bound to a little bit of a letdown. This episode is obviously building up to some better ones.

But Lordie, we had Michael going Rambo about his son, again! Is this not looking a little ridiculous to some people?

That's it Michael. Don't tell anybody what you're doing. Don't ask for any help. Don't tell anybody anything. Remember when Jack told you that the first chance they get, they were all going to go out and rescue Walt? I don't think he meant "Any time you want, just point a gun at me and lock me up in a room with Locke, then run out and get killed." Just do whatever you can to risk your life and your son's life because if those jerks help you save your son, he'll never ever love you. :rolleyes:


I take it you have no children?

Your child has been kidnapped and is most certainly in danger. You know that he is nearby on the same small island. You're not going to be able to sleep until you go after him again and again until you rescue him or die.

The last rescue attempt resulted in a friend being shot, why risk their lives?

:rolleyes:

Man, this season moves fast (-er than the first season)!

Anyway, I don't know if this has been mentioned, but can someone verify what I think I heard "Zeke" said?

When "Zeke" first "greeted" the "hunting party", I thought I heard him say this about Michael: "Don't worry about Michael. He will never find us."

Did I hear it correctly (yeah, I TiVo the episodes, but I tend to delete them as soon as I watch them)? If so, he is not really captured, at least, not by "Zeke"'s group.

Thanks.

Hong.

Your child has been kidnapped and is most certainly in danger. You know that he is nearby on the same small island. You're not going to be able to sleep until you go after him again and again until you rescue him or die.
So an irrational plan that could get both me and my child killed is a better plan than seeking the assistance of people who have already offered to help me?

The last rescue attempt resulted in a friend being shot, why risk their lives?

:rolleyes:
I thought Sawyer was shot during the kidnapping itself, not a rescue attempt.

And if they've offered to help knowing the risks, why lock them up? Because they might do something crazy like help me anyway like true friends would????

So an irrational plan that could get both me and my child killed is a better plan than seeking the assistance of people who have already offered to help me?
Perhaps, as others have suggested, something on the computer compelled him to go alone...and told him where to go.

When "Zeke" first "greeted" the "hunting party", I thought I heard him say this about Michael: "Don't worry about Michael. He will never find us."
Not 100% sure, but I think I remember it as "Don't worry about Michael. He won't find us here."

Unfortunatly, I've already deleted the episode. I'm sure someone will confirm the actual words soon enough.

Man, this season moves fast (-er than the first season)!

Anyway, I don't know if this has been mentioned, but can someone verify what I think I heard "Zeke" said?

When "Zeke" first "greeted" the "hunting party", I thought I heard him say this about Michael: "Don't worry about Michael. He will never find us."

Did I hear it correctly (yeah, I TiVo the episodes, but I tend to delete them as soon as I watch them)? If so, he is not really captured, at least, not by "Zeke"'s group.

Thanks.

Hong.

I believe he said "We won't let him find us"

I couldn't help but laugh, poor Sawyer is getting his ass kicked on a weekly basis these days. :-)That's it! Lock up all munitions and order Sawyer AWAY! Last night's episode wasn't even near the level as Eko's back story ep (last week). But then again, it's hard to put together a great ep week after week.

Sorry for being WAY OT, but does anyone recall if the french woman's child was male or female and how we know?

MUCH appreciated! thanks!

I believe he said "We won't let him find us"

I replayed it. He definitely said "Don't worry about Michael, he won't find us."

The producers have already stated that each season of LOST is aprox 40 days on the Island.

Yes, it's sometimes easy to forget with all that has happened that it has been only 50 days (up to last night's episode.)

Island time is line Narnia time... except backwards :)

(ETA: OMG, my 200th post!)

Yes, it's sometimes easy to forget with all that has happened that it has been only 50 days (up to last night's episode.)

So that pretty much means each time we see Aaron, he's played by a different kid. That's gonna get a bit tougher on casting as he matures into a recognizable figure - if the role lasts that long. Or maybe after the children are kidnapped and taken in by The Others they don't mature. Hmmm, that would protect whatever special value they bring. OTOH, it's hard to see Aaron's value as a 2 month old baby.

Sorry for being WAY OT, but does anyone recall if the french woman's child was male or female and how we know?

MUCH appreciated! thanks!


IIRC, they were very careful to not mention gender - just her "child" named "Alex".

Or maybe after the children are kidnapped and taken in by The Others they don't mature.

If anything, because of Walt, they'd need to make them have growth spurts as captives of the Others.

Ok, when "Zeke" came out of the jungle and said "listen to him Jack" did anybody else immediately thought it was Jack's father? Yeah ok that doesn't make sense cause the guy is dead and in a coffin, but man, if the lame can walk....

I'm still frustrated by the lack of communication among the losties. I mean hello you just saw a smoke monster. You think this is something you may wanna tell somebody, like "hey has anyone seen some CGI looking smoke running around?" And you'd think the second the group got back they'd be mobbed w/ people asking what happened. Instead they just mosied along like all's well on heaven and earth. Well, except for Cowboy Jack, who wants to get it on.

this is bluebeard. I know I've seen him in several other movies and tv shows:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0301370/
Check out the name on the bus...

http://ferrarishields.com/zeke.jpg
From The Country Bears. Beary (foreground, left) finds new friends in the Bears’ manager, Henry (background left), and Roadie (M.C. Gainey, right).

Photo from IMDB.com (http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0276033/Ss/0276033/03CT-10618.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Gainey,%20M.C. )

~Dan

Ok, when "Zeke" came out of the jungle and said "listen to him Jack" did anybody else immediately thought it was Jack's father? Yeah ok that doesn't make sense cause the guy is dead and in a coffin
Jack found the coffin, but his dad's body was missing... :eek:

~Dan

Sorry for being WAY OT, but does anyone recall if the french woman's child was male or female and how we know?

My wife immediately remembered it as being Alex, or the same name as the person who fetched Kate.

Can anybody recommend a site where I can download last night's episode? Missed most of it.

If anything, because of Walt, they'd need to make them have growth spurts as captives of the Others.

What if they had Walt tape future segments months ago?

Oceanic has been the default movie airline since the eighties. I believe I mentioned this 162 pages ago :p . Really, I have seen Oceanic in at least five movies, none whose titles I can remember at the moment. Apparently most actual airlines do not want their name associated with mid-air break ups, terrorists, negligent design, or psychotic co-pilots and the like.
Must have a charter 747 hanging around the Orange County Airport and various models for hire. Close - most productions go here for air services: http://www.airhollywood.com/


IIRC, they were very careful to not mention gender - just her "child" named "Alex".
I believe in the "Black Smoke" episode, she referred to Alex as her son.

Can anybody recommend a site where I can download last night's episode? Missed most of it.
It is on iTunes for $1.99

In the season 1 series finale, Rousseau says "they came and took her - Alex".

Can anybody recommend a site where I can download last night's episode? Missed most of it.

do a google search for "bittorent" and "lost" it'll be out there somewhere.

Looks like Libby was one of Hurley's shrinks. Wonder if he finds out before or after he does her, not like it'd change his mind about doing her.

Or maybe Libby was a fellow resident when Hurley was checked in at the mental hospital.

Please hit the enter key every once and a while. This thing is unreadable.


I hate to say it, because I love the show, but I think it might be going off the tracks. The cracks in the basic idea of the premise are starting to show. The first, and most basic of the flaws (and the one I find the most irritating, and the one most responsible for my increasing criticism) is how the characters just. Don't. Talk. To. Each. Other. It's past annoying, and becoming ridiculous. In regards to current events: Why didn't Michael tell Jack he's been IM'ing Walt? Might that perhaps have been important information to know? Perhaps the other Losties would have been willing -- eager! -- to go off in search of his son if they knew he was alive. It was easier to believe they wouldn't share secrets at the beginning of the show, when they were strangers and they all thought rescue was imminent. Now, when it should be patently clear to all of them that they're going to be on the island for a while, sharing information, no matter how trivial or silly it might seem, is of paramount importance. They've seen polar bears and evil black smoke -- why not tell Michael that at least two people saw Walt in the jungle? Is it so hard to believe?

Another problem is with the backstory flashbacks; they're becoming cumbersome, and detrimental to the arc of the show. They're no longer serving the purpose of character building, and instead now function more as character reinforcement. One of the purposes of a character flashback in a narrative is to set up a flawed character for redemption, yet these are now setting up the character for little more than the revelation of more flaws. For example, we see only that Jack is a broken man in many ways...and then we see it again, and again, and again. And the opportunities he's had to confide in people go unused, which means his character is doomed to remain in neutral until...when, exactly? Even last night, when presented with the opportunity to ask questions during the confrontation, the characters...did nothing. Asked nothing. Found out nothing.

And I think the plot itself it headed for a crash, if it hasn’t happened already. The high point so far has clearly been the momentous event of opening the hatch and climing down, and yet it hasn't really been followed up in any meaningful way. Entering the numbers into the computer; the training film -- both go unremarked upon for weeks as lesser stories about Mr. Eko fill air time. And next week a Charlie story? How many weeks are going to go by while we wait to learn what happened to Michael? Will any of the other characters even mention him?

I'm beginning to think that the basic premise for the show isn't sustainable for more than a few years. I can easily see it slipping into an X-Files-esque hell of continually unanswered questions as time goes by. I hope I'm wrong.

So that pretty much means each time we see Aaron, he's played by a different kid. That's gonna get a bit tougher on casting as he matures into a recognizable figure - if the role lasts that long. Or maybe after the children are kidnapped and taken in by The Others they don't mature. Hmmm, that would protect whatever special value they bring. OTOH, it's hard to see Aaron's value as a 2 month old baby.

It's even harder to find Walt's value when you think about it in this regard. Babies are easy to replace. Walt would be impossible.

Can anybody recommend a site where I can download last night's episode? Missed most of it.


itunes

Please hit the enter key every once and a while. This thing is unreadable.

Then perhaps you should learn to read? Just a suggestion.

How many more times should I have used a paragraph return? I mean, an actual number. I'm curious.

How many..times should I have used a paragraph return? Only when your text requires it. Just ignore the whiners.

I hate to say it, because I love the show, but I think it might be going off the tracks. The cracks in the basic idea of the premise are starting to show.

The first, and most basic of the flaws (and the one I find the most irritating, and the one most responsible for my increasing criticism) is how the characters just. Don't. Talk. To. Each. Other. It's past annoying, and becoming ridiculous.

In regards to current events: Why didn't Michael tell Jack he's been IM'ing Walt? Might that perhaps have been important information to know? Perhaps the other Losties would have been willing -- eager! -- to go off in search of his son if they knew he was alive.

It was easier to believe they wouldn't share secrets at the beginning of the show, when they were strangers and they all thought rescue was imminent. Now, when it should be patently clear to all of them that they're going to be on the island for a while, sharing information, no matter how trivial or silly it might seem, is of paramount importance.

They've seen polar bears and evil black smoke -- why not tell Michael that at least two people saw Walt in the jungle? Is it so hard to believe?

Another problem is with the backstory flashbacks; they're becoming cumbersome, and detrimental to the arc of the show. They're no longer serving the purpose of character building, and instead now function more as character reinforcement.

One of the purposes of a character flashback in a narrative is to set up a flawed character for redemption, yet these are now setting up the character for little more than the revelation of more flaws.

For example, we see only that Jack is a broken man in many ways...and then we see it again, and again, and again. And the opportunities he's had to confide in people go unused, which means his character is doomed to remain in neutral until...when, exactly?

Even last night, when presented with the opportunity to ask questions during the confrontation, the characters...did nothing. Asked nothing. Found out nothing.

And I think the plot itself it headed for a crash, if it hasn’t happened already. The high point so far has clearly been the momentous event of opening the hatch and climing down, and yet it hasn't really been followed up in any meaningful way.

Entering the numbers into the computer; the training film -- both go unremarked upon for weeks as lesser stories about Mr. Eko fill air time. And next week a Charlie story? How many weeks are going to go by while we wait to learn what happened to Michael? Will any of the other characters even mention him?

I'm beginning to think that the basic premise for the show isn't sustainable for more than a few years. I can easily see it slipping into an X-Files-esque hell of continually unanswered questions as time goes by. I hope I'm wrong.

How about 8 more times.

I've seen a lot of notes saying forming the army doesn't make sense, why aren't they trying to get off the island


- When they built the first raft, they were told by Arndts (sp?, teacher that blew himself up) that the wind patterns would be shifting, if they didn't launch soon, they would have to wait a long time for the patterns to come back and bring them in the correct direction.

- When the sent that raft out, what happened. Kid kidnapped, one passenger shot, raft blown up with rest of passengers left to drown

- No feasable way to get everyone off, so no matter what they try, most will still be on the island at the mercy of the others

They need to come up with an organized way to defend themselves. The Others have show themselves as organized and capable. If the survivors do not organize themselves they will eventually get picked off one by one.

Plus the Others have a boat. That should be incentive enough.

They need to come up with an organized way to defend themselves. The Others have show themselves as organized and capable. If the survivors do not organize themselves they will eventually get picked off one by one.

I'm not so sure of that. The others know a lot about the Lostaways. They know their names, even some of their personality traits. They know that Jack is their leader. The "other Others" (if so....) even had a list of all the Tailies, their names and descriptions on their very first night on the island! How?? They could easily have picked them all off already if that was their primary goal.

No, the Others have something else in mind for the surviving Lostaways, methinks.

Maybe it's Hostel Island. Torture and murder the Losties for fun

So you guys wouldn't ask a single question to a bunch of people you've never seen before on an island that you've been living on for 50 days thinking you were alone?Yeah, there were plenty of opportunities to ask, even if Zeke wouldn't answer. Like when he said they were just letting the Lostaways live on the island. What a perfect opening to mention that they'd just as soon leave the godforsaken place! Not to mention asking about the polar bears, black smoke, whispering voices, children, hatch, numbers, etc.

Also, to add to the beating of the mangled bloody mess of the dead horse we bring up every week. Why can't ANYONE share anything with anyone else? Last week, no-one said a thing about a magical floating black cloud, or the computer conversation with Walt (hallucination or not, when the typer used ellipses (...), it should have been a clue that it isn't Walt.) This week, not a peep about being accosted and robbed by The Others, including the guy who shot Sawyer and took Walt. Too mundane to mention!?If these others are so powerful/invincible, why would they care if the survivors had guns or what use would the others have for them?Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. He seemed awfully interested in those guns. It seems they don't have any/many. And if they are so interested in those guns, maybe the Lostaways should post some armed guards on the hatch!That's exactly what I thought when I first saw it. But then I remembered Jack's comment about him having one guy up on a hill with a gun, talking to bluebeard. The context was because someone else shot at Sawyer -- it wasn't a deflection. I watched the show a second time, and at that scene it seemed like an "Other" grazed Sawyer with a bullet as a warning not to try to harm their leader. So Sawyer never actually shot his gun.I'm a pretty good shot myself, but shooting someone in the side of the neck, in the dark, and hitting them without killing them is pretty much impossible. I'd think that was the point, except for the above-mentioned over-interest in the guns.

Xesdeeni

And probably Sawyer, too. :D


when did Desmond have time to sleep with Sawyer ? Kate would certainly be jealous :)

HA HA...let's start an internet rumor that 1000's have slept with Julie Bowen just to punish her for leaving Jack. :D



best of all, we forgot Happy Gilmore!!!

Not 100% sure, but I think I remember it as "Don't worry about Michael. He won't find us here."

Unfortunatly, I've already deleted the episode. I'm sure someone will confirm the actual words soon enough.

His words were:

"Don't worry about Michael. He not gonna find us."

Ed

best of all, we forgot Happy Gilmore!!!

True. And his name wasn't even "Fox". ;)

I like the show, but draggin out questions for too long and not resoliving can lead to burnout ala X-files. Answer the questions and mysteries and then start new ones to add more tension and drama

My guess is that the Zeke group is also stuck on the island. Yes they have boats and guns, but their clothes look like they’re years old. For whatever reason, they want the Lost folks to stay away from their side of the island. By taking their guns, they up their collection, and reduce by some amount the grief the Lost folks could do in future times.

Ed

ENJOY!
LILLY (http://img142.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc202&image=e35b8_FLURL_dot_com_44738_20060118_lilly7.jpg)

ENJOY!YUM!

I just started watching this season, and I'm not sure if I'll be around next year...

I got hooked right away but frankly I'm beginning to lose patience. I just rented Season 1 Disk 1 so I'm going to hang in there a while more, but I get the feeling there is no legitimate story arc.

More than X-Files, this reminds me of Twin Peaks. That show kept piling weird mystery upon weird mystery because they got renewed, not because they really needed another 20 episodes to tell the story.

When do the Losties gather food? Who cuts their hair? Did the Others save some gasoline for the boat all those years just in case they needed to intercept an escaping raft?

Looks like to me, everybody on the island is now thinking that the island is home (Zeke, and his bunch, the Lostaways, etc.). They are not expecting to ever leave. So they must behave like civilized people always have and fight for sovereignty.

I just started watching this season, and I'm not sure if I'll be around next year...

I got hooked right away but frankly I'm beginning to lose patience. I just rented Season 1 Disk 1 so I'm going to hang in there a while more, but I get the feeling there is no legitimate story arc.

More than X-Files, this reminds me of Twin Peaks. That show kept piling weird mystery upon weird mystery because they got renewed, not because they really needed another 20 episodes to tell the story.

When do the Losties gather food? Who cuts their hair? Did the Others save some gasoline for the boat all those years just in case they needed to intercept an escaping raft?
Ugh. Lost is not for you given what you posted and fact you missed Season 1 and the backstory of most characters. :rolleyes:

When do the Losties gather food?
The other dozen people who wander around in the background look like they're doing this. Jin seems to be doing great in providing seafood.

Who cuts their hair?
Kate does. Sawyer don't look like a damn hippy now.

Did the Others save some gasoline for the boat all those years just in case they needed to intercept an escaping raft?
Yes, or for other reasons.

YUM!

Here's another for your viewing enjoyment!

Evangeline (http://img133.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc130&image=7f41c_FLURL_dot_com_44738_20060118_lilly6.jpg)

Here's another for your viewing enjoyment!

Evangeline (http://img133.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc130&image=7f41c_FLURL_dot_com_44738_20060118_lilly6.jpg)

Viewing enjoyment? That's just plain torture! :p

Ugh. Lost is not for you given what you posted and fact you missed Season 1 and the backstory of most characters. :rolleyes:
I don't know, it seems like there's been as much backstory on the major characters this season as frontstory.

I don't know, it seems like there's been as much backstory on the major characters this season as frontstory.

That's typical for the show, it's modus operandi.

I'm starting a list of "Sawyerisms" - witty nicknames for everyone on the island

Jack - "Doc"
Kate - "Freckles", "Sweet Cheeks"
Jin - "Sulu"
Locke - "Mr. Clean"
Other Leader - "Zeke"

Feel free to tack on...

Michael and Jin - "Han" and "Chewie"

I'm starting a list of "Sawyerisms" - witty nicknames for everyone on the island

Jack - "Doc"
Kate - "Freckles", "Sweet Cheeks"
Jin - "Sulu"
Locke - "Mr. Clean"
Other Leader - "Zeke"

Feel free to tack on...I heard one in the last ep I didn't remember hearing previously. He called Hurley "Pillsbury" :)


ron

Hurley - "Richie Ridge" ;)

Michael and Jin - "Han" and "Chewie"

I thought Chewie was meant for Eko ?? Didn't he have a nickname for AL, given the pounding he took from her??

It literally cracked me up when Sawyer called Hurley "pillsbury".. :D

If I remember correctly, "Han" and "Chewie" came up during raft construction and later again on the raft. Michael and Jin had worked together long enough that Michael could understand the gist of what Jin was saying even if he couldn't understand Korean. Not unlike how Han Solo understood Chewbacca's language even though it was unintelligible to us non-wookies.

Jeez, all of Sawyer's Sawyerisms are pre-1980.

ahhh...

the show's name says it all....

Someone on another Lost site posted a screen cap that's had the levels adjusted in Photoshop to bring out the shadow detail and lighten the image. This pretty much puts to rest the theories about the additional "others" being mirrors or some sort of gas contraption:

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/ringOfFire.jpg

Damn, I'm sure glad our local ABC affil doesn't include any additional bugs. That big honkin' #12 is obscene...


ron

Jeez, all of Sawyer's Sawyerisms are pre-1980.
Proves Sawyer has been on the Island longer than anybody and is a "them/other" being shunned for being such a redneck.

Damn, I'm sure glad our local ABC affil doesn't include any additional bugs. That big honkin' #12 is obscene...

Ditto.

This pretty much puts to rest the theories about the additional "others" being mirrors or some sort of gas contraption:

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/ringOfFire.jpg

Strange torches, though.

If you have to photo shop the image to see people with the torches, are they really there?

I still can't see them well enough to tell if they are other "others" (actors in costume), or set extras holding torches.

If you have to photo shop the image to see people with the torches, are they really there?

I still can't see them well enough to tell if they are other "others" (actors in costume), or set extras holding torches.
Photoshop can adjust the relative levels of black, white, and gray....and can lighten the dark areas to show you what is there. I'm sure if the producers wanted them to be "faked" (ie, done with mirrors or some other method) they wouldn't have had extras holding the torches. They're smart enough to know that many people will scrutinize the scene.

They're smart enough to know that many people will scrutinize the scene.

So smart that they had xrays dated 2005 in the opening scene flashback?

I thought they were stage hands as well, holding those torches. Certainly not intended to be seen by the masses who watch the show without HD and the electronics to flesh that out.

By definition, almost anyone appearing in a scene without a speaking role is an extra of some sort. Does it matter whether they were the actors who play the others or stage hands paid for this scene?

We already know they exist, as they have appeared in other episodes. When challenged, Jeke made the others show their place. We did not need to see their faces for the effect.

The Losties were clearly outgunned, and gave in at that time. They could have killed them, but did not. Instead they sent them home without their guns with the 'guidance" to stay on their side of the island.

Ed

So smart that they had xrays dated 2005 in the opening scene flashback?

That's throwing me too. Are they trying to continually bring the show 'current'? Since they've been on the island 50 days and the show was broadcast on 18 January, are we supposed to believe they crashed around the end of Nov. '05, less than a month after the x-rays?

By definition, almost anyone appearing in a scene without a speaking role is an extra of some sort. Does it matter whether they were the actors who play the others or stage hands paid for this scene?

I think it does. Not knowing if each of those torches was "manned", the viewer is left to his/her own feeling as to whether this is just another piece of magic on the island. I was amazed at how coordinated the whole show of fire was, which left me with disbelief that it wasn't some theatrical trick by Zeke to display a false show of force. The "lights out" was just as quick and you couldn't hear any noise or rustling in the bushes as they melded into the darkness. So was there really a Zeke-follower at each torch? I'm not sure we know just how big a force Zeke has at his command.

We already know they exist, as they have appeared in other episodes. When challenged, Jeke made the others show their place. We did not need to see their faces for the effect.


Well, we may have seen 3 others who attacked the raft plus Alex. Were there other Others we can count?

The Losties were clearly outgunned, and gave in at that time. They could have killed them, but did not. Instead they sent them home without their guns with the 'guidance" to stay on their side of the island.

Ed

True. I wondered why, if Zeke felt threatened by them, he didn't take them out then and there. And why can't Jack be happy living on his assigned side of the island (rhetorical question)? Muttonhead!

In a scene from an earlier episode, we watched as numerous 'others' passed by two Losties in the bushes. One of the others had the teddy bear. My memory says there were more than 3 but less than a dozen.

It als makes sense that they (others) would not all travel at once, which means there might well be likely more. They captured the kids, and someone probably has to look after them.

Ed

I'm starting a list of "Sawyerisms" - witty nicknames for everyone on the island

Jack - "Doc"
Kate - "Freckles", "Sweet Cheeks"
Jin - "Sulu"
Locke - "Mr. Clean"
Other Leader - "Zeke"

Feel free to tack on...

Check this site out:

LostHatch.Com Nicknames (http://www.losthatch.com/nicknames.aspx)

Check this site out:

Good God! I thought people on this site were thorough, but these people are serious. There are some audio links that play the bit when the person picked up his or her nickname. one of them for Locke "old uncle johnny" or something like that, was barely audible and I certainly didn't catch it when it was aired. Wow.