Wow... over 1000 posts....

.... That calls for a celebration!



WooHoo!
:)


On another note, my wife isn't working late tonight, so I might actually get to watch 'Lost' tonight instead of tomorrow!

WooHoo!
:)

I get the impression that Locke is central to this entire story: He either knows something, is causing something, or is part of it. Everyone else is incendental.

Locke has with him the Rambaldi device and has not only used it to learn to walk, but ultimately will use it to repair the heart of a seemingly dead character and harness the zero-point energy source feeding the transmission. :)

Oh, and I'm pro using spoiler alerts even if the show aired a day or two before. It's easy to read the spolier if you want and allows you to remember you shouldn't be reading the thread in the first place.

That said, how can anyone wait an extra day to watch this thing? Easily the best new show of the fall.

Originally posted by rogo
Locke has with him the Rambaldi device and has not only used it to learn to walk, but ultimately will use it to repair the heart of a seemingly dead character and harness the zero-point energy source feeding the transmission. :)



Oh man, you just gave away the main plot to next season's Alias. :p

Jim

Originally posted by rogo
Locke has with him the Rambaldi device and has not only used it to learn to walk, but ultimately will use it to repair the heart of a seemingly dead character and harness the zero-point energy source feeding the transmission. :)

And in the last episode, they'll get rescued by Sydney and Vaughn in a huge back to back double episode cross-promotion! :D

You mean "locke" is the "key"?

[fined 2 points for bad pun]

Originally posted by Paul Bigelow
I get the impression that Locke is central to this entire story: He either knows something, is causing something, or is part of it. Everyone else is incendental.

In "Walkabout", Locke and his co-worker were going to meet at 13:00 hours. Only problem is digital clock in break room backgroung\d shows 11:3_.

What did the Korean couple say to each other? the Lottery numbers just popped up on the screen here and stayed over the caption while they were talking.

Anyone else have goosebumps right now? I do and I'm not even taking my medication.

Just like last week (and I believe the week before), the 5.1 audio is screwed up on Lost. What the hell is wrong with ABC (or the affiliate) that causes this? Last time it took until the half-way point for it to get fixed.

Tried to watch on WPVI out of Philly.

Originally posted by mwelicka
What did the Korean couple say to each other? the Lottery numbers just popped up on the screen here and stayed over the caption while they were talking. You didn't miss much, she just said that she doesn't think anyone is coming and who will tell them what to do. The man said "I'll tell you what to do". She also said that they need to make more of an effort to talk to the others.

Audio is also screwed up here in Boston -- seems to be lagging about a second behind the video.

Interestingly I noticed the commercials don't seem to have same issue

NOOOOO!!! I just noticed that my tivo was NOT recording this esp of lost!!! OMG I missed the first 30 minutes :mad:

My wife was down here tonight setting up a season pass for something and I bet she messed something up. guess who is sleepiing outside tonight??

This sucks - I was really looking forward to this tonight. :(

Originally posted by Flyer1
NOOOOO!!! I just noticed that my tivo was NOT recording this esp of lost!!! OMG I missed the first 30 minutes :mad:

My wife was down here tonight setting up a season pass for something and I bet she messed something up. guess who is sleepiing outside tonight??

This sucks - I was really looking forward to this tonight. :(

Don't worry!

ABC will re-broadcast 2 episodes of "Lost" on Saturday Oct. 23 8-10pm - "Walkabout" followed by "White Rabbit"
This replaces the previously announced "World of Disney - The Princess Diaries" movie.

guess who is sleepiing outside tonight??

From only three years expierence, I'm guessing not your wife!

I missed what Jack's mother said, right before he went to Australia. She said Jack did something to his Father, what was it?

I hope this series gets better. Tonight's show (20 Oct) wasn't much better than last week. Funny how no one talks about what they see.

Tonight's episode was not the great. The preview for next weeks episode looks very good.

She said, "You don't get to say 'I can't.' Not after what you did."

well, the development with Jack's father was interesting.

Originally posted by jmrobbins
I hope this series gets better. Tonight's show (20 Oct) wasn't much better than last week. Funny how no one talks about what they see.

I agree that this weeks episode wasn't great but not bad either. It's comparable to the Kate flashback episode. I thought Walkabout was very good.

I'm amazed at the level of expectation people have for each and every episode. Pretty soon it'll be, well the first 10 minutes were really good, but then the next 17 minutes were much slower. They really better pick it up.

C'mon people, relax. Just let it be what it is, and enjoy....

I'm still hooked - and will still tune in to see what happens next. That's more than I can say for most shows.

Dark Angel had me hooked also, but they advanced the story line so fast, there was no where to go after the first season. I'd rather that not happen here.

Originally posted by ironhead
From only three years expierence, I'm guessing not your wife!

LMAO!!

Originally posted by Couch Patato
Don't worry!

ABC will re-broadcast 2 episodes of "Lost" on Saturday Oct. 23 8-10pm - "Walkabout" followed by "White Rabbit"
This replaces the previously announced "World of Disney - The Princess Diaries" movie.

Thanks for the info. Bummer that I have to wait until sat, but atleast I'll get to see it. Just can't visit this board until then.

What did Jack say to Kate at the end? My PVR cut it off early! I heard Jack say "My father died in Australia", but then I missed the last 30 seconds or so.

Has anyone mentioned this before...Why does Charlie have "LATE" written on his taped fingers? Was there an explanation I missed? I remember seeing him writing it in an earlier episode, but why?

And tonight I noticed the tattoo on his arm that says "Living is easy with eyes closed." The meaning of that? Is it...

a) he's a musician, and maybe "Strawberry Fields," where the lyric is from, has special menaing for him.

b) His drug use, and "Strawberry Fields" being from the Beatles' "enhanced awareness" stage...

c) More from the lyrics... "Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see" and "Strawberry Fields...nothing is real..."

Originally posted by Chriš
What did Jack say to Kate at the end? My PVR cut it off early! I heard Jack say "My father died in Australia", but then I missed the last 30 seconds or so.

Mine cut out at EXACTLY the same time. Help us out!

Originally posted by Chriš
What did Jack say to Kate at the end? My PVR cut it off early! I heard Jack say "My father died in Australia", but then I missed the last 30 seconds or so.

She said "I'm sorry", and he said "me too", if I recall correctly.

Originally posted by hefe
And tonight I noticed the tattoo on his arm that says "Living is easy with eyes closed." The meaning of that? Is it...

a) he's a musician, and maybe "Strawberry Fields," where the lyric is from, has special menaing for him.

b) His drug use, and "Strawberry Fields" being from the Beatles' "enhanced awareness" stage...

c) More from the lyrics... "Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see" and "Strawberry Fields...nothing is real..."

(Like myself), he's no intellectual, so I presume he just likes the phrase. Don't think it needs a special meaning, necessarily. Take my disclaimer, for instance...

Originally posted by maxman
She said "I'm sorry", and he said "me too", if I recall correctly.

Yes, that's all it was.

I have Bachelor recording after, so I can catch the very end which is at 8:01 local time. ABC is doing this consistently with LOST.

Originally posted by hefe
She said, "You don't get to say 'I can't.' Not after what you did."

But they never said what it was that Jack did?

This is my last post before I read something I don't want to know.

A little off topic, but I watched the first esp. The West Wing tonight and they had the actor that plays Locke as a special guest star - He was playing a general in the situation room. They also had an actor that is currently on Desperate housewives. just thought that was interesting.

Originally posted by hefe
I'm amazed at the level of expectation people have for each and every episode. Pretty soon it'll be, well the first 10 minutes were really good, but then the next 17 minutes were much slower. They really better pick it up.

C'mon people, relax. Just let it be what it is, and enjoy....

i'm glad someone said it..

i don't know what people here expect....does every episode have to be emmy caliber to be worth watching?..are you guys the same ones that think Carnivale on HBO is the greatest series in years??? hell they don't do anything on that show and people are creaming their pants over it

just enjoy it for what it is...pretty soon, you'll be watching a fourth installment of law and order

Originally posted by hefe
Has anyone mentioned this before...Why does Charlie have "LATE" written on his taped fingers? Was there an explanation I missed? I remember seeing him writing it in an earlier episode, but why?

And tonight I noticed the tattoo on his arm that says "Living is easy with eyes closed." The meaning of that? Is it...
[/i]"

everyone could be dead

i don't know if this is speculation or spoiler..i sure as hell hope it isn't the latter, but here goes..

**WARNING...going to talk about previews for next week+possible spoilers***

someone posted on rec.arts.tv that next week, they go into the cave and find the dusted body which could possibly be daddy

and they will find that the people from the tail section actually landed there 16 years earlier and hence the french woman's distress call

Please use "Spoiler Alert" when posting spoilers for future episodes.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Please use "Spoiler Alert" when posting spoilers for future episodes.

yea sorry i wasn't sure if it was speculation or spoiler

was waiting to see if someone could verify it and then add the spoiler tags

Originally posted by jergans
Mine cut out at EXACTLY the same time. Help us out!

Mine too. It was the second time this has happened. I changed my season pass setting to record an extra five minutes. Apparently, the timing of the broadcast is a little out of synch with the guide.

..are you guys the same ones that think Carnivale on HBO is the greatest series in years???

Personally, I think Deadwood on HBO is the greatest series in years, but good point.

Originally posted by CPanther95
I'm still hooked - and will still tune in to see what happens next. That's more than I can say for most shows.

Dark Angel had me hooked also, but they advanced the story line so fast, there was no where to go after the first season. I'd rather that not happen here.

Truer words were never spoken.

I was a big fan of Dark Angel for the first season....... watched 2 episodes into the second season and literally havent seen it since.

Originally posted by Rakesh.S
someone posted on rec.arts.tv that next week, they go into the cave and find the dusted body which could possibly be daddy

and they will find that the people from the tail section actually landed there 16 years earlier and hence the french woman's distress call

While watching the show I had that very thought...

I noticed that there seemed to be vegetation growing all around the plane suggesting it had been there quite a while. I quickly dismissed it though as I figured the plane would likely be in much worse shape (i.e. no paint, faded, etc.) but after reading the above I now wonder if that isnt the case.

One thing I didnt quite understand....... when Locke finds Jack there is a stream running right underneath them, neither mentions it or attempts to get down to it. Just found that strange. I also found that part very predictable but as mentioned in a few other posts, all shows have ups and downs.

Oh and for my sake, I may have missed something. Just before the last set of commercials I started to lose signal from my dish (stupid snow is coming already!) and when it came back the show was already on. I came in at "He tried to save her life and now you want to crucify him". Did I miss something before that (i.e. did he take the water?)?.

I've got a couple more theories but thats enough for one post.

Originally posted by hefe
Has anyone mentioned this before...Why does Charlie have "LATE" written on his taped fingers? Was there an explanation I missed? I remember seeing him writing it in an earlier episode, but why?

And tonight I noticed the tattoo on his arm that says "Living is easy with eyes closed." The meaning of that? Is it...

a) he's a musician, and maybe "Strawberry Fields," where the lyric is from, has special menaing for him.

b) His drug use, and "Strawberry Fields" being from the Beatles' "enhanced awareness" stage...

c) More from the lyrics... "Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see" and "Strawberry Fields...nothing is real..."

It's not LATE, although I agree that's what it looks like. I saw it when he wrote it, it was FATE. Why, I still don't know. Sure, being in a plane crash may be fate. So what, why write that on your fingers, I don't see the point.

Hmm. Misunderstanding all you see...nothing is real. We've already discussed the possibility of people's imaginations becoming real, or a hallucination. It does seem like the writers put these clues in, remember the comic book polar bear. The tattoo on his arm, to me, was WAY too obviously legible, I think it isn't just any old saying like your explanation a) suggests. I think it is a clear message to us to wonder about.

Actually I believe you are referring to what he was writing while on the plane (which was Fate). However he redid the tape and writing later (Ep. 3?) while on the island and he did write "Late".

This whole series really has me hooked, this episode was as good as any other! I thought for sure he was hallucinating until they added onto the story with the airport scene! His dad is trying to lead him to something.. but what? also, why is Locke so 'enlightened', with that big smile always? lol, And how come he knew where to find him when he was on the ledge?
dolls littered on the ground? DOLLS IN THE WATER?! HMMM?

And from the preview for next weeks episode it looks like everyone that usually gets in arguments is going to snap and lose it. Do you think after more people 'die' they might hang around for a little longer?

I'm not good at noticing small details but I can overanalyze, maybe someone can help me out. also this is ALL speculation I have no advance info!

Originally posted by rcwalters
It does seem like the writers put these clues in, remember the comic book polar bear.

In this episode, entitled "White Rabbit", Sawyer was reading a book when the blonde chick walked up. The book had a rabbit on the cover. It was this (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0380002930/104-1210988-4793521?v=glance) book, Watership Down.

Originally posted by Slinky11
And how come he knew where to find him when he was on the ledge?
dolls littered on the ground? DOLLS IN THE WATER?! HMMM?

I thought it was pretty obvious locke was going to find him. First Jack runs off into the jungle. Then Locke decides to go look for water. As I mentioned earlier there was water at the bottom of that cliff/ravine so it only made sense. What didnt make sense was afterwards when neither mentioned nor attempted to get at the water. As for the dolls........ they are likely cargo from one of the crates from the plane you see nearby, anything else is overanalyzing..... j/k ;).

I got distracted for a moment and missed what it was that Jack found. He was sitting by a fire, then something moved behind him. Next I looked he was wrecking something. Was that the coffin? Was it empty?

Yes it was the coffin and yes it was empty.

Basically what happened between then was:

- Jack ran into the jungle chasing whatever moved (the vision of his father).
- He stumbles onto a small pond which has a doll floating in the bottom of it.
- He looks around and there is a section of plane and some various cargo (including the coffin).
- He has a flashback where he is arguing with the CSR at the airport about getting the coffin aboard the flight
- Opens the coffin and its empty
- He wrecks the coffin.

/\ His version is a little better detailed =)

Well, there was a sound like a glass with ice in it ya know, he immediately lit the stick and went the way he thought he heard the noise go, then he found the stream of water, then he found part of the plane wreckage and yes the coffin was there, and it was empty and then he was ticked so he beat it with a stick haha.

Originally posted by rcwalters
It's not LATE, although I agree that's what it looks like. I saw it when he wrote it, it was FATE. Why, I still don't know. Sure, being in a plane crash may be fate.

Went back and looked (I love TiVo.)

In the pilot episode, he wrote FATE. At the end of the next episode, during the "feel good" ending with the music, he changed the 'F' to an 'L'.

As I mentioned earlier there was water at the bottom of that cliff/ravine so it only made sense. What didnt make sense was afterwards when neither mentioned nor attempted to get at the water.
It looked like a dry stream bed to me...

I'd have to agree with the dry part, I was looking for water myself, haha, I didn't see any =(

Originally posted by danco
It looked like a dry stream bed to me... Yep, it looked to me like standing water in small puddles - not a good idea to drink that sort of thing without anyway to purify it. I'm sure they made note of it "just in case" but running water is usually a safer bet. Standing water can contain large concentrations of insect larvae and animal feces - something most doctors would know.

Originally posted by NetworkTV
Yep, it looked to me like standing water in small puddles - not a good idea to drink that sort of thing without anyway to purify it. I'm sure they made note of it "just in case" but running water is usually a safer bet. Standing water can contain large concentrations of insect larvae and animal feces - something most doctors would know.

And leptospirosis... learned that one in Hawaii on my Honeymoon...

Originally posted by hefe
Went back and looked (I love TiVo.)

In the pilot episode, he wrote FATE. At the end of the next episode, during the "feel good" ending with the music, he changed the 'F' to an 'L'.

I wonder if the changing of the tape to "LATE" parrallels the potential spoiler discussed about the tail section.

Originally posted by hefe
Has anyone mentioned this before...Why does Charlie have "LATE" written on his taped fingers? Was there an explanation I missed? I remember seeing him writing it in an earlier episode, but why?[/i]" Was the earlier version 'FATE" or "HATE"? Because there is a certain other Charlie spending life in prison for mass murder who has "LOVE" and "HATE" tattooed on his hands (in addition to the swastika on his forehead).

Originally posted by NetworkTV
Was the earlier version 'FATE" or "HATE"? Because there is a certain other Charlie spending life in prison for mass murder who has "LOVE" and "HATE" tattooed on his hands (in addition to the swastika on his forehead).

Definitely Fate, and now Late.

Maybe next week, Date. :)

Originally posted by DFul4d
I wonder if the changing of the tape to "LATE" parrallels the potential spoiler discussed about the tail section. I'm not so sure. Remember who has the transceiver and how they got it. If they had found the skeleton of the pilot instead of a living person (or no one at all), I'd believe it. In addition, the transceiver would probably have been near the other site.

No, I think there's something way more sinister going on here.

Originally posted by hefe
Definitely Fate, and now Late.

Maybe next week, Date. :) Or perhaps "KATE".

Spoooooookieeeeeee!


Waahahahahahaha!

Originally posted by NetworkTV
Or perhaps "KATE".

Spoooooookieeeeeee!


Waahahahahahaha!

I don't think he would Rate a Date with Kate.... heh heh....

Good one, Mate! :D

Originally posted by hefe
And leptospirosis... learned that one in Hawaii on my Honeymoon...
Yah, especially with wild boars on the island. Jack should know better.

Mouse Picks Up Lost, Housewives

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Full release here,

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4535415#post4535415

Originally posted by Rakesh.S
..are you guys the same ones that think Carnivale on HBO is the greatest series in years???Originally posted by maxman
Personally, I think Deadwood on HBO is the greatest series in years, but good point. I happen to think both are the greatest series in years and Lost is right up there with 'em, but I seem to have missed the point, or rather misinterpreted it. People who think that Carnivàle is the greatest series in years wouldn't be complaining about the slow pacing of Lost, they'd be embracing it. Surely the answer to Rakesh's question is, "No, these aren't the same people," so then… what's the point?

Personally, I am looking extremely forward to the premieres of both series… and with a potential scheduling shift, this may be the first season I finally get into Alias… January can't come soon enough.

…and I for one am very much enjoying the ride.

As far as Charlie's taped fingers...the new TV Guide interview with him says that it's just something he thought up at the last minute and I guess the producers liked it and he will be changing the word used now and again just to keep us all wondering the significance.

I thought it was funny they didn't go down to the stream below the cliff for the water either. Remember...they have fire, so they can boil the water before drinking it.

and yes the coffin was there, and it was empty and then he was ticked so he beat it with a stick haha.

Empty because the survivors from (their own) crash 16 years ago buried the body back then, perhaps? S-t-r-e-t-c-h that imagination!

Aaarrrrgghhh! DVR quirk; missed this episode; don't want to read back in the thread for fear of spoilers....

Anyone know if ABC will be repeating this episode sometime this week??

Originally posted by archiguy
Aaarrrrgghhh! DVR quirk; missed this episode; don't want to read back in the thread for fear of spoilers....

Anyone know if ABC will be repeating this episode sometime this week?? "Walkabout" from 10/13/04 and "White Rabbit" from 10/20/04 will be repeated on Saturday 10/23/04 beginning at 8:00 PM Eastern.
YMMV

I've been avoiding this thread for a full week because I missed the Walkabout episode due to a DVR failure. Those of you that haven't missed an episode cannot imagine how difficult it is to wait another week without knowing what's going on (and see this thread grow by another 200 posts).

I am as happy as a pig in slop it is being repeated on Saturday.

Originally posted by scolumbo
I am as happy as a pig in slop it is being repeated on Saturday.

Now that's happy!

Originally posted by NetworkTV
Was the earlier version 'FATE" or "HATE"? Because there is a certain other Charlie spending life in prison for mass murder who has "LOVE" and "HATE" tattooed on his hands (in addition to the swastika on his forehead).

You know that is weird...

I could have sworn it was "HATE" too...and he changed it to "LATE"...

I was almost certain of this, and when you folks said it was "FATE" I didn't believe it (and I still don't know if I believe it)...

Originally posted by scolumbo
I've been avoiding this thread for a full week because I missed the Walkabout episode due to a DVR failure. Those of you that haven't missed an episode cannot imagine how difficult it is to wait another week without knowing what's going on (and see this thread grow by another 200 posts).

I am as happy as a pig in slop it is being repeated on Saturday.

I concur completely. Throw me in that pig-pen too! Three cheers for ABC's thoughtful decision to air repeats of this unmissable show on Saturday! :)

Originally posted by Flyer1
This is my last post before I read something I don't want to know.

A little off topic, but I watched the first esp. The West Wing tonight and they had the actor that plays Locke as a special guest star - He was playing a general in the situation room. They also had an actor that is currently on Desperate housewives. just thought that was interesting.

I noticed the spoiled blonde girl, Shannon (I think), was on Law & Order a week or two ago as a rape victim.

Originally posted by dbernhard
I noticed the spoiled blonde girl, Shannon (I think), was on Law & Order a week or two ago as a rape victim.

The pregnant chick was in CSI: Miami monday night. I guess she isn't pregnant anymore. :)

from the coming attractions, it appears that Locke knows about Charlie's secret of what he keeps looking for from the plane. Is it as simple as Locke realizes that Charlie's a druggie, or is it going to be related to the words on Charlie's hands & arms ?

I thought it was funny they didn't go down to the stream below the cliff for the water either.

At the end of the Episode, when jack comes back to restore order and Isuppose take his position as the official "Leader" , he does say something to the effect of, "I've found a water source, tomorrow we will put together a party to gather some, if you dont sign up for this , make yourself useful someway else."

I think he was talking about the waterfall/pond that the dolls were in, not the dry creek-bed below the cliff.

Are the facts that Jack's mother referred to "what you did" and the hotel manager repeatedly referred to him as MISTER Shepherd (not DOCTOR) related and/or significant? Since Abrams and Lindelof has said there are clues everywhere, I'm thinking maybe.

Originally posted by wiggo
Are the facts that Jack's mother referred to "what you did" and the hotel manager repeatedly referred to him as MISTER Shepherd (not DOCTOR) related and/or significant? Since Abrams and Lindelof has said there are clues everywhere, I'm thinking maybe.
I'm pretty sure (someone correct me if I'm wrong ;) ) that somewhere Jack has said he is a Doctor. Doesn't mean, however, that maybe in his mind he is still a Dr. even if he was stripped of that title somehow.

Originally posted by maxman
Empty because the survivors from (their own) crash 16 years ago buried the body back then, perhaps? S-t-r-e-t-c-h that imagination!

16?? Where did you get that number?

also, looking back at it, I don't know anything about coffins but, it dosn't look like it's been sitting on a tropical island for 16 years.

I nominate "Lost" as the first TV series to be released on the upcoming HD-DVD format. You know ABC is going to do this. I just want it to be on HD-DVD or BluRay.

Speculation - Jack turned his alcoholic father into the medical board for performing surgery under the influence.

Originally posted by Slinky11
16?? Where did you get that number?

also, looking back at it, I don't know anything about coffins but, it dosn't look like it's been sitting on a tropical island for 16 years.

It was in the pilot episode. They calculated that the looped message they were hearing on the transceiver had been playing for 16 years based on the length of the message and number of iterations that were counted in it.

Can some tell me who drowned as I missed the first 8 minutes of the show trying to get home from work last night? Was it the blonde girl who was/ is dating that one guy or was it the older Black lady. The cast kept refering to "she" but I didn't know who "she" was.

Oh!, thank you =)

Originally posted by Slinky11
16?? Where did you get that number?

From the length of time the distress messages have been broadcasting. Wasn't it 16 years?

The woman who drowned was a nobody as far as the main cast, she was one of the "other" 48 passengers that survived, cuz Jack was distressed afterwards, saying he hadnt ever spoken to her since they've been on the island.

When do we think the Korean woman will finally bust out with some English, seeing as though someone posted that she does indeed know how to speak it.

Also, anyone think, in the next couple episodes, you'll see a guest appearance by the NY Yankees, after Steinbrenner forces them all onto a plane and causes it to crash onto that island. I wouldn't be surprised. ;)

Originally posted by AFH
Can some tell me who drowned as I missed the first 8 minutes of the show trying to get home from work last night? Was it the blonde girl who was/ is dating that one guy or was it the older Black lady. The cast kept refering to "she" but I didn't know who "she" was.

It was an extra. By that I mean someone we didn't meet or know, not a main character. Jack commented that he didn't even know who she was.

Originally posted by AFH
Can some tell me who drowned as I missed the first 8 minutes of the show trying to get home from work last night? Was it the blonde girl who was/ is dating that one guy or was it the older Black lady. The cast kept refering to "she" but I didn't know who "she" was.

Her name was Joanne, she wasn't supposed to be on the plane. She was scuba diving off the barrier reef and got an ear infection so the doctor grounded her for 2 days, she bumped her flight. That's how she ended up with us.

After that Jack says "We've been her 6 days and I never talked to her, never said a word to her, there were 47 of us and I never said a single word to her" :)

Jack made note that there are "46 of us now." We have all seen the 48 number. Just to get it clear, the pilot is not included in that count? There was the girl who drowned, the guy early in the first episode that was sucked into the engine, and the pilot they found in the jungle. That makes 49. Not a big deal, just wondering.

There was also the marshall that died. (well, killed himself)

Originally posted by GrantMeThePower
There was also the marshall that died. (well, killed himself)

Actually Jack finshed him off after Sawyer botched the "mercy killing."

But you're right. I forgot about that. So maybe the 48 was their count after everyone got their bearings on the beach, after the guy already got sucked into the engine, and before finding the pilot. (Who they didn't tell everyone about, did they?)

Originally posted by hefe
Actually Jack finshed him off after Sawyer botched the "mercy killing."



Some assume this but I don't. Jack knew the marshall was suffering a slow death before Sawyer shot him and refused everyone's "mercy killing" pleas. I don't think he would all of a sudden change his mind about ending that suffering. The gun shot wound could have caused enough damage that the marshall would have died within in a matter of seconds to minutes.

Hmmm I coulda sworn I saw moving water at the bottom of that cliff. Either way though they could have boiled the water.

There's nothing to assume about the Marshall. Jack finished him off - no doubt about it.

Originally posted by sbddvm
Some assume this but I don't. Jack knew the marshall was suffering a slow death before Sawyer shot him and refused everyone's "mercy killing" pleas. I don't think he would all of a sudden change his mind about ending that suffering. The gun shot wound could have caused enough damage that the marshall would have died within in a matter of seconds to minutes.

No, Jack said it could take hours to bleed out. He perforated his lung with the shot.

You could hear the sounds from inside, then it went quiet, and when Jack came out, he was clearly disturbed by what he was "forced" to do. The conditions changed, he didn't just change his mind.

Originally posted by hefe
No, Jack said it could take hours to bleed out. He perforated his lung with the shot.

You could hear the sounds from inside, then it went quiet, and when Jack came out, he was clearly disturbed by what he was "forced" to do. The conditions changed, he didn't just change his mind.

One can die from a hemothorax or hemopericardium in minutes without "bleeding out." The struggling to breath sounds could be explained by either of these conditions.

Originally posted by sbddvm
One can die from a hemothorax or hemopericardium in minutes without "bleeding out." The struggling to breath sounds could be explained by either of these conditions.

Jack made the situation clear, and acted on what he said.
I'm not a doctor, and neither are the writers. I am an engineer who works with RF, and I could pick apart everything they have done with these "transceivers," but sometimes you just have to go with it.

I guess he could have died of a heart attack, or spontaneous combustion - or maybe Jack actually died and the Marshall assumed his identity. :rolleyes:

I doubt they could have boiled water, what would they use to boil it with? Not like there are pots and pans on the plane... They should use those tupperware storage boxes they have to fill up the water from the waterfall, then using a tarp, dig a big hole in the sand, put the tarp in to cover the sand, and fill it with the water to drink. Doubt they'll want to trek in and out of the forest so often to get water, as 46 people probably go through a lot of water a day, especially now that they have an abundant supply.

Originally posted by CPanther95
I guess he could have died of a heart attack, or spontaneous combustion - or maybe Jack actually died and the Marshall assumed his identity. :rolleyes:

You obviously have no medical knowledge nor tact for someone who has a different opinion than yours. Stick to what you know.

There's no opinion, it was made crystal clear exactly what happened. What you're speculating is the equivalent of saying that on "24" Jack didn't really chop off the guy's hand. He swung and missed and the guy cut it off himself.

Originally posted by sbddvm
You obviously have no medical knowledge nor tact for someone who has a different opinion than yours. Stick to what you know.

No need to say something like this. This is a show where odd things are happening, so it could happen. Is everything medical on this show?

I think Jack smothered him with the pillow.


ANYWAYS.....I think the pq last night was great. Beautiful opening scenes with the water and sunlight. I only wish my local ABC passed thru 5.1

Originally posted by sbddvm
One can die from a hemothorax or hemopericardium in minutes without "bleeding out." The struggling to breath sounds could be explained by either of these conditions.

I think the point here is that there was dialogue among the characters in the show that told us (the viewers) that he wasn't going to die quickly from the gunshot, and therefore, Jack had to go in and end what was apparently much greater suffering than the marshall had been experiencing prior to being shot (go figure :) ).

It doesn't matter what would happen LOGICALLY, in REAL LIFE, within the bounds of MEDICAL SCIENCE, or whatever - because this is a TV show and we're being told a story for ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY.

Glad I got that off my chest. :)

haha, you guys are right. I totally forgot what happened with that episode, and instead I was remembering what I thought was going to happen. Weird how memory works sometimes, huh?

Originally posted by spiff72
You know that is weird...

I could have sworn it was "HATE" too...and he changed it to "LATE"...

I was almost certain of this, and when you folks said it was "FATE" I didn't believe it (and I still don't know if I believe it)...

I'm with you on this one, I thought it originally said "HATE" also, don't have a DVR, so can't tell for sure..

Jim

If there was ever a show invented to take advantage of an HD DVR, LOST is it.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
I doubt they could have boiled water, what would they use to boil it with? Not like there are pots and pans on the plane...

Probably not, but there is quite a few tons on aluminum and all sorts of other things that can be used for many uses, heck, there is enough electrical cable in those planes to wire the island for cable TV. :p

Jim

Originally posted by keenan
Probably not, but there is quite a few tons on aluminum and all sorts of other things that can be used for many uses, heck, there is enough electrical cable in those planes to wire the island for cable TV. :p

Jim

They'd probably be watching Cheers or Golden Girls re-runs from 16 years ago! :D

Originally posted by keenan
I'm with you on this one, I thought it originally said "HATE" also, don't have a DVR, so can't tell for sure..

Jim

I can guarantee you that on the plane it was "FATE".

Originally posted by Vlad_Dracule
I can guarantee you that on the plane it was "FATE".

Well, you're all wrong! :p

I still have all the episodes on my TiVo so I checked. It was Fate, and he put it on while on the beach, he never had it on while on the plane.

He changed it to Late in the 2nd episode. (Or 3rd if you count the pilot as 2 episodes.)

Hey here's another thought...

JJ Abrams' other show, Alias, has a main character named Sydney.

The flight in Lost was coming from...Sydney...just a coincidence!?

Well, maybe, but there seems to be a lot of them...;)

Originally posted by Vlad_Dracule
Hmmm I coulda sworn I saw moving water at the bottom of that cliff. Either way though they could have boiled the water.

Yeah there was water in the streambed...it wasn't a rushing river, but it wasn't completely dry either.

As far as Charlie's taped fingers...read page 28 of next week's TV Guide, it talks about the tape and letters.

Another thing in TV Guide was a mention of the comic book Walt was reading in episode 2. It says eagle-eyed viewers could have noticed a picture of a polar bear on the page he was reading. When asked if it was coincidental to them seeing a real polar bear on the island, Lindelhof says "every prop is absolutely intentional"...it goes on to say the comic was a Spanish translation of "Green Lanter/Flash:Faster Friends Part 1" where the heroes attack an alien that turns out to be peaceful...says Abrams "We definitely chose that story for a reason"

I think the previous post should have been marked as a spoiler alert! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by keenan
Probably not, but there is quite a few tons on aluminum and all sorts of other things that can be used for many uses, heck, there is enough electrical cable in those planes to wire the island for cable TV. :p

Jim

If they could find it, the coffee pots would work very well for boiling water.

Originally posted by hefe
Well, you're all wrong! :p

I still have all the episodes on my TiVo so I checked. It was Fate, and he put it on while on the beach, he never had it on while on the plane.

He changed it to Late in the 2nd episode. (Or 3rd if you count the pilot as 2 episodes.)

Did he have HATE on the plane? I'm pretty sure he had something written on his fingers on the plane.

Oh and you didnt have to be "eagle-eyed" to catch the polar bear on Walt's comic ;).

Had a crazy thought while watching the "White Rabbit" episode - What if Kate killed Jack's dad?!

Originally posted by maseace
Had a crazy thought while watching the "White Rabbit" episode - What if Kate killed Jack's dad?!

I thought he had a coronary due to the alcohol abuse..

Jim

Guess I missed that, thanks. :o (watched it very late last night on the Tivo)

Originally posted by keenan
I thought he had a coronary due to the alcohol abuse..

Jim

My friend just had an interesting idea. Could the island be located in the Bermuda triangle?

Originally posted by Kamakzie
My friend just had an interesting idea. Could the island be located in the Bermuda triangle?

I'm not sure a plane originating in Sydney could even get to the Bermuda triangle without refueling. They were over the south Pacific. Even if it could, that would be like the entire flight to LA plus, what, about another 6 hours of flight time?

Originally posted by hefe
I'm not sure a plane originating in Sydney could even get to the Bermuda triangle without refueling. They were over the south Pacific. Even if it could, that would be like the entire flight to LA plus, what, about another 6 hours of flight time?

You're assuming a linear space-time continuum.

Originally posted by seldenpat
You're assuming a linear space-time continuum.

Yes, I suppose I am... Did anyone see the Tardis? :)

Originally posted by seldenpat
You're assuming a linear space-time continuum.

Now we're talking.:D , additionaly, if you punched a hole through the planet from where they are you might come up close to the Bermuda Triangle. :eek:

Jim

You're assuming a linear space-time continuum.
If everywhere on earth was subject to non-linear spacetime, we wouldn't need a "Bermuda Triangle," since weird stuff would be occuring all over, all the time, and we'd be used to it and call it "normal"...

They were heading back to Fiji and 1000 miles off course, nice guess with the Triangle, but wrong side of the world unfortunetly =(

Originally posted by spiff72
You know that is weird...

I could have sworn it was "HATE" too...and he changed it to "LATE"...

I was almost certain of this, and when you folks said it was "FATE" I didn't believe it (and I still don't know if I believe it)...


A picture of Fate from episode 1, Late from episode 2, and Charlie's tattoo...

What was it on the plane? He had something written on his fingers while on the plane didnt he?

Originally posted by Vlad_Dracule
What was it on the plane? He had something written on his fingers while on the plane didnt he?

His fingers were not taped on the plane. He did that on the beach the first night.

In the flashback, you see a closeup of his hand, nervously twisting the ring. It is large and silver, with the letters DS on it, presumeably for the name of the band he is in, Driveshaft.

The other notable thing is that his fingernails are black in a thin crescent along the cuticle, if I have my terms right. This may be residual from his drug use, but strangely, it's only on the fingers of his right hand, not the left.

During one of the first scenes in the Pilot, where Jack is being sewed up by Kate and tells her the story of how he allows terror in, but for only 5 seconds, we see that he has a couple funky tattoos of his own...including the number 5.

Originally posted by hefe
During one of the first scenes in the Pilot, where Jack is being sewed up by Kate and tells her the story of how he allows terror in, but for only 5 seconds, we see that he has a couple funky tattoos of his own...including the number 5.

Wow, I completely missed those, is Kate in that scene also? :p

So can anyone decipher the Kanji characters on his arm?

Jim

I just have to echo that there is not an iota of doubt that Jack finished off the marshall.

What's with Jacks Mom alluding to his past and why he owed her to look for his dad .

What if the island has magical healing powers as in the wheel chair guy with the 400 knives getting up and walking .

What if Jack's dad is a zombie now and his halucinations are not real but his dad is ?
Remeber the coffin was empty !!

I love the direction and flash backs adds real suspence and character development brilliantly done.

The migration from waiting for rescue to realization that they need to form sociological order to survive reminds me of the book " Lord of the flies " only with adults .

"If there was ever a show invented to take advantage of an HD DVR, LOST is it." yes it is and I am using one this show has me hooked already .

Originally posted by rogo
I just have to echo that there is not an iota of doubt that Jack finished off the marshall. …or maybe that's just what they want you to think? ;) Maybe the island fulfilled the marshall's wish before the doctor could? :eek: SURPRISE!

…and maybe the marshall was the "primary character" that was supposedly going to be killed? The surprise is… there is no surprise! :p "Anything is possible." - The Travelor

Originally posted by DeathOpie
There's a message board on the ABC page and a guy claims that he freeze framed a few scenes where you could see the watches people were wearing and they all are stopped at 3:15, which lead to a whole bunch of bible quotes. Can anyone confirm this?

Unless they dropped the ball on tonight's episode, I would say this is NOT the case.

Lost Watches (http://lost-on-location.incohost.com/lost_watches.htm)

In the scene with Charlie and Claire, even though his watch is out-of-focus, you can see that the time changes dramatically from one cut to the next, even though only a few seconds have passed. Guess they must have reshot parts of that scene.

edited: image link

Originally posted by stephenC
Speculation - Jack turned his alcoholic father into the medical board for performing surgery under the influence.

I think you're probably right. This ties everything together nicely (including Jack's encounter with his mother).

Originally posted by spiff72
I think the previous post should have been marked as a spoiler alert! :rolleyes:

Why would you put a spoiler alert on my previous post? It's about something that happened in episode 2! And anyone who gets TV Guide can read the same thing...

Also according to the Guide, the black on Charlies nails is not due to drug abuse...it's because he likes black nail polish.

Earlier (pilot episode), I was wondering if maybe Jack had a problem with alcohol...

"It's not a very strong drink."

...maybe it was foreshadowing -- hinting at familial tendencies?

Maybe he is going through DT's. And we thought Charlie was the one with a problem!

Maybe he was just trying to deal with a very traumatic situation and needed a stiff drink.

I think if he were going through the DT's on the island it would have been within the first 2 days and he would have been very sick.

Originally posted by stephenC
If they could find it, the coffee pots would work very well for boiling water. No, they wouldn't. For safety reasons, the pots would have been the plastic insulated kind which can only be used with a drip coffee maker (which would require electricity). The outside of the pot would melt if placed too close to any significant heat.

Originally posted by REWJR
What if Jack's dad is a zombie now and his halucinations are not real but his dad is ?
Remeber the coffin was empty !! I have a feeling that the body is still being held in customs in Australia. It reminds me of the scene in Smokey and the Bandit 2 where they try to pick up the elephant from customs. It has to be held for a certain amount of time. When Burt insists he needs to take the crate now, the guard replies, "sure you can have the crate right now, but the elephant needs to stay another week."

Sounds like someone pulled a fast one on Jack. In other words, let's get this guy through so the line at the airline gate will get moving. The body is probably on it's way home on another flight in an econo-coffin.

Originally posted by NetworkTV
No, they wouldn't. For safety reasons, the pots would have been the plastic insulated kind which can only be used with a drip coffee maker (which would require electricity). The outside of the pot would melt if placed too close to any significant heat.

Oops, I guess I fly United too much. They are still using the old style all metal coffee pots. You must fly on one of those non-bankrupt airlines, Southwest or JetBlue. :)

Considering he was going to bury him as soon as he landed. That would be a lousy thing for them to do. He buries the coffin and finds out later his dad wasn't in it.

Come on this is just no brainer prime time tv to sell you a product.Sure its fun but the explanation will be something like aliens testing us because they fear that we are too violent and will destroy the universe or a government drug testing thing I bet the bald guy is an alien taking human form to guide the island experiment and everyone that dies in the show comes back.Just my cynical 2-cents.

It may be "no brainer" but it sure is fun.....

Do you guys get annoyed at how much the cameras gets jerked around in LOST? Really distracts from the show.

I haven't noticed it. Or it must not be bothering me since I haven't noticed it.

Originally posted by islandsoon
Do you guys get annoyed at how much the cameras gets jerked around in LOST? Really distracts from the show.

This past week was the only time it bothered me, and I believe that was the intention. They were trying to show what Jack was seeing.

I really didn't like it, but I understood why they were doing it.

Originally posted by fhall1

Also according to the Guide, the black on Charlies nails is not due to drug abuse...it's because he likes black nail polish.

That is possible, but the marks are so perfect, it looks like it's just growing out with the nail.

Originally posted by islandsoon
Do you guys get annoyed at how much the cameras gets jerked around in LOST? Really distracts from the show.

I have to say that I was very impressed by the fact there was NO pixelisation or breakups when Jack was running in the Jungle. In fact it looked perfect.

Originally posted by hefe
During one of the first scenes in the Pilot, where Jack is being sewed up by Kate and tells her the story of how he allows terror in, but for only 5 seconds, we see that he has a couple funky tattoos of his own...including the number 5.

Those tats are real. Mathew Fox already had them. According to an interview, they thought about covering them up, but decided to leave them for the show.

Originally posted by Couch Patato
I have to say that I was very impressed by the fact there was NO pixelisation or breakups when Jack was running in the Jungle. In fact it looked perfect.

720p tends to hadle fast motion better than 1080i.

Originally posted by KenA
Those tats are real. Mathew Fox already had them. According to an interview, they thought about covering them up, but decided to leave them for the show.

Really. I always find it a little odd that actors would have such prominent tattoos. It seems like it would be a problem in trying to be versatile enough to play any role.

Maybe they have figured out how to write some meaning into the story about them? :)

They could boil the water in paper cups if they had to... But It doesnt look like they'll be needing to boil water anyways, the fresh water spring Jack found looks to be plenty of fresh water...

Also, originally I was thinking the whole "They're all dead" theory.... but I'm also holding onto the idea that they're not... There is still enough information given to lead one to think that everything that is happening has a very real explanation.

Remember the 16 yr old radio message? Even though this is shrouded in total mystery, it still could have a very real explanation.
Now this isn't to say that there isn't obviously something 'magical' or at least different about this island... All of the events that occur are all related/connected to the island in some way... maybe it has something to do with some past experimental lab... maybe gene theorapy, who knows... something bad happened 16 years ago, and the island has been quarantined... There will be no rescue, even if the rescuers knew where they crashed...

Hmmm...

Also, Jack's dad's missing body? well, it's entirely possible that it was flung from the coffin during the crash, and is laying around somewhere in the jungle... Jack's hullencinations are caused from sleep deprivation, among other things... and there may be a spiritual connection that since his father has not been laid to rest properly, his spirit is trying to help Jack... He did seem to lead him to the water hole... Anyways, there is room to believe either way...

Originally posted by hefe
Really. I always find it a little odd that actors would have such prominent tattoos. It seems like it would be a problem in trying to be versatile enough to play any role.

Maybe they have figured out how to write some meaning into the story about them? :) George Clooney has a huge tattoo that covers his shoulder and crawls up onto his neck. Every episode of ER required that it be covered up. If you're wondering what it looks like, I believe he has it uncovered in "From Dusk Til Dawn".

Originally posted by hefe
Really. I always find it a little odd that actors would have such prominent tattoos. It seems like it would be a problem in trying to be versatile enough to play any role.

They cover them with makeup when necessary. Simple, huh!

Originally posted by JayDog_2

Hmmm...

Also, Jack's dad's missing body? well, it's entirely possible that it was flung from the coffin during the crash, and is laying around somewhere in the jungle... Jack's hullencinations are caused from sleep deprivation, among other things... and there may be a spiritual connection that since his father has not been laid to rest properly, his spirit is trying to help Jack... He did seem to lead him to the water hole... Anyways, there is room to believe either way...

Jack had to unlock the coffin before he opened it. I find it hard to believe that it would fling open and then lock itself.

Originally posted by NetworkTV
George Clooney has a huge tattoo that covers his shoulder and crawls up onto his neck. Every episode of ER required that it be covered up. If you're wondering what it looks like, I believe he has it uncovered in "From Dusk Til Dawn".

There's no way that tatoo shown in FDTD is a real one.

Are you sure? I remember the coffin was definitelly laying at an awkward angle...

Dammit... I gotta tell my wife not to delete this show after we watch it! There always seems to be something I want to go back and see... I guess I can check it on Saturday when they re-broadcast...

Originally posted by 720p
There's no way that tatoo shown in FDTD is a real one.

I have to agree....

Originally posted by maxman
They cover them with makeup when necessary. Simple, huh!

Sure, in concept, but what a pain in the rump.

(covering the tattoo, not getting it ;))

Originally posted by 720p
There's no way that tatoo shown in FDTD is a real one. It's been a while since I've seen that movie - I remembered he had one in that film and couldn't remember if it was his actual one or not. He does have quite a large one, though.

Originally posted by NetworkTV
It's been a while since I've seen that movie - I remembered he had one in that film and couldn't remember if it was his actual one or not. He does have quite a large one, though.

I've got a pretty big one... it's real too.

I can't say I've ever seen Clooney's though...

Wait, are we talking about tatooes? Oh... never mind...

Originally posted by dmbatch
Jack had to unlock the coffin before he opened it. I find it hard to believe that it would fling open and then lock itself.

Actually, he didn't. He kind of grabbed the near side, realized it wouldn't open on that side since it's the hinged side. He pulled it down off the angle it was laying on, on top of some other wreckage, and then opened it on the correct side. It came open pretty easily, even though it was damaged in the crash.

Originally posted by hefe
Actually, he didn't. He kind of grabbed the near side, realized it wouldn't open on that side since it's the hinged side. He pulled it down off the angle it was laying on, on top of some other wreckage, and then opened it on the correct side. It came open pretty easily, even though it was damaged in the crash.

Yes, that's the way I remember it too...

His dad's body could be anywhere on the island...

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Yes, that's the way I remember it too...

His dad's body could be anywhere on the island...

If they ever put it on the plane...

It's been a while since I've seen that movie - I remembered he had one in that film and couldn't remember if it was his actual one or not. He does have quite a large one, though.Hey, did you know George Clooney's an ex con? I saw him getting released from prison in a movie once and my brothers' neighbor says it's true too....

;)

ron

It will be interesting to see if JJ Abrams uses any of the plot devices he does on Alias....someone you think is good is evil...someone who is evil turns out to be good....someone you think you know has a different identity...and something akin to the Rimbaldi device that does, well, still trying to figure out that one.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
They could boil the water in paper cups if they had to...
Excellent point! I had forgotten that from high school physics (the old dixie cup on the bunson burner experiment!) :)

Originally posted by JayDog_2
I've got a pretty big one... it's real too.

I can't say I've ever seen Clooney's though...

Wait, are we talking about tatooes? Oh... never mind... I was just looking for photos online of Clooney's tatoo and it appears he
had it surgically removed following his stint on ER. Perhaps he was tired of the long makeup sessions to hide it for most of his roles.

Originally posted by Hounsfield
Excellent point! I had forgotten that from high school physics (the old dixie cup on the bunson burner experiment!) :) I did that back in the scouts - the part of the cup above the water burns, but leaves the rest. However, if I remember that one correctly, you can't actually let the water boil because at that point the paper becomes hot enough for it to ignite. Water has to boil for several minutes to ensure it is safe to drink.

Why do I keep on watching the Backgammon scene with Walt and Locke, ... What does WALT KNOW?!

Originally posted by NetworkTV
I did that back in the scouts - the part of the cup above the water burns, but leaves the rest. However, if I remember that one correctly, you can't actually let the water boil because at that point the paper becomes hot enough for it to ignite. Water has to boil for several minutes to ensure it is safe to drink.

That's interesting...never did that experiment.

But as for the temperature, water boils at 212 degrees, and paper burns at 451 degrees. (Hence the title of the book, Fahrenheit 451) If the flame doesn't ignite the paper, the water shouldn't.

Originally posted by hefe
That's interesting...never did that experiment.

But as for the temperature, water boils at 212 degrees, and paper burns at 451 degrees. (Hence the title of the book, Fahrenheit 451) If the flame doesn't ignite the paper, the water shouldn't. I believe the problem lies in the fact that the paper is riding at a proportionally higher temperature than the water (due to it's higher density, similar to a pot - molecules collide faster and all that physics stuff). This difference in temperatures means that when the water gets to the boiling point, the paper cup has reached its flash point. So, the cup catches fire, the water spills out of the cup and and your campfire gets drenched.

Originally posted by Slinky11
Why do I keep on watching the Backgammon scene with Walt and Locke, ... What does WALT KNOW?!

I'm guessing that Locke's secret he tells Walt is simply that he was unable to walk for 4 years before they crashed on the island.

And I'm pretty sure you can boil water in a paper cup for at least a little while... I suppose some brands of cups might be better than others... :)

Too much wax could be a problem though.... And a controled heat source would be nice... Probably not the easiest thing to do over a camp fire, but they could probably rig something...

I think I'd try using some scrap metal before anything else though... paper would be the last resort...
"If this doesn't work, we're f*****" :)

Originally posted by Slinky11
Why do I keep on watching the Backgammon scene with Walt and Locke, ... What does WALT KNOW?!

That's what I kept asking myself this week. What "secret" did Locke tell Walt?

That is also the scene that makes me hang on to the "they're all dead" theory. Locke's "two sides...one light, one dark" statement seems to point to them being in Purgatory or limbo...whatever you want to call it. He seems to know that they're in some kind of suspense (of time, reality, whatever).

And this week, what did he mean when he said, "I've looked this island in the eye...and it's beautiful"? Whatever's happening, he's very much at peace with it.

Originally posted by htevolution
That's what I kept asking myself this week. What "secret" did Locke tell Walt?

That is also the scene that makes me hang on to the "they're all dead" theory. Locke's "two sides...one light, one dark" statement seems to point to them being in Purgatory or limbo...whatever you want to call it. He seems to know that they're in some kind of suspense (of time, reality, whatever).

And this week, what did he mean when he said, "I've looked this island in the eye...and it's beautiful"? Whatever's happening, he's very much at peace with it.

Walt told his dad that Locke told him that "a miracle happened to him." They didn't elaborate beyond that, but it seems safe to say it had to do with Locke regaining his ability to walk, which was subsequently revealed.

Originally posted by NetworkTV
I believe the problem lies in the fact that the paper is riding at a proportionally higher temperature than the water (due to it's higher density, similar to a pot - molecules collide faster and all that physics stuff). This difference in temperatures means that when the water gets to the boiling point, the paper cup has reached its flash point. So, the cup catches fire, the water spills out of the cup and and your campfire gets drenched.
Neat experiment. Did a search on it. The paper will burn away where it is not in contact with the water.

http://www.geocities.com/thesciencefiles/boilwater/page.html

Originally posted by htevolution
And this week, what did he mean when he said, "I've looked this island in the eye...and it's beautiful"? Whatever's happening, he's very much at peace with it.

I think this is related to the big invisible monster that approached Locke, that Locke said he never saw.

One theory that is really out there, the transmission from 16 yrs ago is actually them, the voice in french is either (a) the annoying girl in the bikini who is speaking in french for some reason or (b) one of the remaining 46 survivors we haven't met yet. In another 16 yrs version 3 of them will crash on the island.

Of course this theory is only viable if the writers of this show watched the Matrix trilogy too many times...

Had the same problem. This week and last week. 11 minutes of the audio "jumping" around the speakers. Definitely not a simple delay issue. Week before that, the video jumped around until after the first commercial break. The series premiere of Desperate Housewives also didn't have any center channel dialog until after the 11 minute mark. Tried complaining on the customer feedback for their website, but got no response. Somebody is falling asleep at the switch up at WPVI-DT.

Originally posted by flyersfan
Just like last week (and I believe the week before), the 5.1 audio is screwed up on Lost. What the hell is wrong with ABC (or the affiliate) that causes this? Last time it took until the half-way point for it to get fixed.

Tried to watch on WPVI out of Philly.

I love Tarantino movies, and this series has similar elements. Although the primary storyline is linear (unlike some of Quentin's movies)- time wise - the backstories and flashbacks are being revealed as they become relevant to the story. There's really no limit - with creative writing - how many layers back in time they could go with each character as they slowly advance the "real time" story line.

Originally posted by hefe
Actually, he didn't. He kind of grabbed the near side, realized it wouldn't open on that side since it's the hinged side. He pulled it down off the angle it was laying on, on top of some other wreckage, and then opened it on the correct side. It came open pretty easily, even though it was damaged in the crash.

I went back and looked and you are correct. What I thought was him unlocking the thing was just him lifting the handle to turn it a little before he opened it.

Originally posted by NetworkTV
I believe the problem lies in the fact that the paper is riding at a proportionally higher temperature than the water (due to it's higher density, similar to a pot - molecules collide faster and all that physics stuff). Will this be on the mid-term? ;)

Originally posted by tall1
Will this be on the mid-term? Yes, and you must use the term "Physics Stuff." That's real science terminology. ;)

Temporal causality loop. They never leave.

What if the island has magical healing powers...
That would certainly explain why the pregnant girl's baby is ok now, after her comment in episode 2(?) that she hadn't felt the baby move in over a day...

Unfortunately, there are still a lot of dead corpses left from the crash that would argue against any mysterious healing power...

That wouldn't explain the Marshall and his fate, though.

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CORRECTION (LOST) - "House of the Rising Sun" - Please note that the run-time of this program is now 8:00-9:01 p.m., ET.
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Interesting... they just couldn't squeeze it into 60 minutes, huh?

Originally posted by dbernhard
That wouldn't explain the Marshall and his fate, though.

Unless he wouldn't have actually died. :)

Please note that the run-time of this program is now 8:00-9:01 p.m., ET....

Interesting... they just couldn't squeeze it into 60 minutes, huh?

The FCC passed a rule that prohibits a cliffhanger scene from being shown in the same hour as the rest of the show...

:)

Maybe the show running over by 1 minute every time is a clue?!??!?! (hehe just kidding. Poking a little fun at all the theories out there).

Also...... am I the only one who constantly thinks "Donnie Darko" during the plane crash scenes? It would help explain some of the time travel theories.

Originally posted by hefe
Neat experiment. Did a search on it. The paper will burn away where it is not in contact with the water.

http://www.geocities.com/thesciencefiles/boilwater/page.html

I remeber boiling an egg with this method when I was in Boyscouts, back in the 70's.

Originally posted by Richard Winfeld
From thefutoncritic.com:

Wednesday, October 27
8:00 - 9:01 PM
CORRECTION (LOST) - "House of the Rising Sun" - Please note that the run-time of this program is now 8:00-9:01 p.m., ET.
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Interesting... they just couldn't squeeze it into 60 minutes, huh?

Then the audience from the show gets counted for part of the next hour which will increase the ratings for the show after Lost.

Originally posted by Richard Winfeld
From thefutoncritic.com:

Wednesday, October 27
8:00 - 9:01 PM
CORRECTION (LOST) - "House of the Rising Sun" - Please note that the run-time of this program is now 8:00-9:01 p.m., ET.
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Interesting... they just couldn't squeeze it into 60 minutes, huh?

Huh...more likely they are trying to squeeze more commercials into the runtime being they had no idea the show would be as popular as it's turned out...

I like the Donnie Darko angle too...

Jim

Originally posted by aaronwt
Then the audience from the show gets counted for part of the next hour which will increase the ratings for the show after Lost.

That's a good point...

What's aggravating is NBC's habit of starting shows before the hour.

Jim

I'm still very intrigued by this show. I hope they can make it last (seems like it could easily "burn out" after one season).

> I hope they can make it last (seems like it could easily "burn out" after one season).

That's what happened to me with "Alias". I hope it does follow the same path although the creator is the same...

Hong.

IMO, the first two seasons of 'Alias' were outstanding. The third season was a disappointment, but I think that was largely because J.J. Abrams had moved on to other projects and wasn't around much. He's admitted that 'Alias' got off track during that season, and has committed to returning to more of a hands-on role to get the show back on course.

Plus, it's hard to get burned-out of Jennifer Garner and Evangeline Lilly! ;)

Originally posted by Richard Winfeld
Interesting... they just couldn't squeeze it into 60 minutes, huh?Originally posted by keenan
Huh...more likely they are trying to squeeze more commercials into the runtime being they had no idea the show would be as popular as it's turned out...Indeed… ABC found themselves with the latest "hot new thing" and decided to make a few extra hundred thousand dollars bumping the rates and selling a couple extra commercials. That and it pisses off all the DVR'ers who get cut off and the other networks whose 9:00 programming gets overrun. It's a triple-play. *growl*

Originally posted by aaronwt
Then the audience from the show gets counted for part of the next hour which will increase the ratings for the show after Lost. Not quite… for one, they keep track of half-hour ratings, so at best they'd just get the first half-hour, but also they keep track of sustained ratings… upon what program do people actually settle? That first minute wouldn't amount to anything.

Originally posted by Hounsfield
IMO, the first two seasons of 'Alias' were outstanding. The third season was a disappointment, but I think that was largely because J.J. Abrams had moved on to other projects and wasn't around much. He's admitted that 'Alias' got off track during that season, and has committed to returning to more of a hands-on role to get the show back on course.

Plus, it's hard to get burned-out of Jennifer Garner and Evangeline Lilly! ;)

i hate to be negative, but i don't see abrams doing anything for Alias this year

He's caught up in the success of Lost and at one point was in the running to direct the next Superman movie.

The way I see it, Alias could be done this year. It is an incredibly expensive show for the 6 million dedicated viewers it brings in. I'm sure extending Desperate Housewives would be much cheaper and profitable for them.

Isn't he supposed to direct Mission Impossible 3 now? According to the Internet Movie Database he is.

MI3 at IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0317919/)

Hmm. I didn't know he wrote the screenplay for Armageddon.

Originally posted by Rakesh.S
i hate to be negative, but i don't see abrams doing anything for Alias this year.
You may be right... but I hope not. Anyways, here's an article where he talks about the misguided 3rd year of 'Alias': Abrams Promises to Fix 'Alias' (http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|89375|1|,00.html)

Yes, I heard Tom Cruise is an 'Alias' fan, and specifically asked Abrams to direct MI3.

Originally posted by Richard Winfeld
From thefutoncritic.com:

Wednesday, October 27
8:00 - 9:01 PM
CORRECTION (LOST) - "House of the Rising Sun" - Please note that the run-time of this program is now 8:00-9:01 p.m., ET.
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Interesting... they just couldn't squeeze it into 60 minutes, huh?

the show itself is only 30 minutes, with 31 minutes of commercials, so it seems

Originally posted by Rakesh.S

He's caught up in the success of Lost and at one point was in the running to direct the next Superman movie.



There are rumors that Evangaline Lilly is one of the favorites for the role of Lois Lane in the aforementioned Superman flick.

Redvette

According to The Futon Critic, JJ Abrams & Greg Grunberg (Alias/LOST- Airline Pilot) have developed a pilot described as: "ensemble drama set in the world of bounty hunters", but it hasn't been picked up as a series yet. It stars Greg Grunberg, Orlando Jones, Kym Whitley("curb your enthusiasm") and Don Rickles.

Originally posted by CPanther95
According to The Futon Critic, JJ Abrams & Greg Grunberg (Alias/LOST- Airline Pilot) have developed a pilot described as: "ensemble drama set in the world of bounty hunters", but it hasn't been picked up as a series yet. It stars Greg Grunberg, Orlando Jones, Kym Whitley("curb your enthusiasm") and Don Rickles.

yeah this was announced a while back, if you follow the "development news" section on futoncritic

guess ABC wasn't too impressed with it

Originally posted by NorthJersey
the show itself is only 30 minutes, with 31 minutes of commercials, so it seems


Many people have thought this but if you edit out all the commercials the show usually comes in around 44 minutes which is fairly standard for a 1 hour time slot.

ABC did pick up "The Catch". It is supposed to start in JAnuary 2005.

Originally posted by keenan
That's a good point...

What's aggravating is NBC's habit of starting shows before the hour.

Jim

Which is dumb on NBC's part. That just makes people miss your show by 1 minute. ABC gets it right. Make people miss somebody else's show by 1 minute, or stick with whatever show you have coming up next. And screw with the Tivo users to boot. Evil, but brilliant (short term anyway).

Originally posted by barth2k
Which is dumb on NBC's part. That just makes people miss your show by 1 minute. ABC gets it right. Make people miss somebody else's show by 1 minute, or stick with whatever show you have coming up next. And screw with the Tivo users to boot. Evil, but brilliant (short term anyway).

At least ABC is repeating the eps tonight.

I thought last week that my PC clock must have been off...but, my TiVo also stopped too soon. Then this week too!

Now I know that they are playing games. Already added the minute to the TiVo ;)

Is today's rebroadcast suppost to be in HD? It's not HD in CT. Does anyone have contact information for Engineering at WTNH?

Yes, it's HD.

Originally posted by Chriš
Does anyone have contact information for Engineering at WTNH? Around here, we call the newsroom. You can probably find an assignment editor number on the website for WTNH or dig through the main number phone tree until you get the newsroom. Usually someone is there and frequently they'll pass a message along to master control. We use that all the time in Cincinnati and rare is the case we don't get the HD switched on within seconds. We've done it so often they just don't miss, much, anymore.

From todays Sun-Sentinel..... (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features/lifestyle/sfl-24namedropoct24,0,717862.story)
What can you tell me about the gorgeous young actress who stars in the new series, Lost?

Her name is Evangeline Lilly, and this is not the first time she has been "lost" in a remote spot on the globe. As a teenager, she planned to become a missionary and spent several months living in a Philippine jungle with a missionary group before returning to her native Canada.

"Mr. Abrams has a lot of courage," says the actress. "Frankly, I wouldn't have taken a chance on me -- and he did." Lilly, 25, also hints that, despite her religious background, there may be raunchier times ahead. "I understand they're writing an episode where I find a shipment of lingerie and start running around in a racy bra and underwear."

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If so, I want your wife to talk to my wife!!!!!!

Not any more - it came down to a choice between the wife and a new HD bigscreen. It was a no-brainer.

Originally posted by REWJR

What if the island has magical healing powers as in the wheel chair guy with the 400 knives getting up and walking .

What if Jack's dad is a zombie now and his halucinations are not real but his dad is ?
Remeber the coffin was empty !!



If the island heals, why didn't the marshal get better?

a question to anyone who has tivo'd the previous episodes:

during last weeks episode (10/20) Locke states something like "I've looked into the eye of this island, and it is beautiful"

BUT, I could have sworn in the promo at the end of the previous week (10/13) we here Locke say "I've looked into the eye of the island, and it is MAGICAL"

anyone feel like investigating?

Originally posted by mjburton
a question to anyone who has tivo'd the previous episodes:

during last weeks episode (10/20) Locke states something like "I've looked into the eye of this island, and it is beautiful"

BUT, I could have sworn in the promo at the end of the previous week (10/13) we here Locke say "I've looked into the eye of the island, and it is MAGICAL"

anyone feel like investigating?

You know...I kind of thought that too, but never went back and looked. I'll check it out tonight when I'm at home...

Originally posted by Vlad_Dracule
Many people have thought this but if you edit out all the commercials the show usually comes in around 44 minutes which is fairly standard for a 1 hour time slot.

You can slash additional 2+ minutes for the end-credits, the theme song, and the "Previously on..." recap, so you may only get 41 to 42 minutes of original material.

Originally posted by mjburton
a question to anyone who has tivo'd the previous episodes:

during last weeks episode (10/20) Locke states something like "I've looked into the eye of this island, and it is beautiful"

BUT, I could have sworn in the promo at the end of the previous week (10/13) we here Locke say "I've looked into the eye of the island, and it is MAGICAL"

anyone feel like investigating?

I didn't save the DVR'd episodes, but I do remember in the promo he either said "it's magic" or "it's magical", and in the actual show he said "beautiful"

Originally posted by mjburton
BUT, I could have sworn in the promo at the end of the previous week (10/13) we here Locke say "I've looked into the eye of the island, and it is MAGICAL" anyone feel like investigating? I noticed the same thing. I dismissed it as the preview had spliced together two separte scenes. Once with "I've looked into the eye of this island....." Cut to a quick flash action scene, and then return with "Its magic" that could be from a separate set of dialog. But thats just my guess/recall from a quick and fleeting moment in time.

It's Disney. Maybe the promos were supposed to also be subliminal ads for the theme parks :D

Originally posted by fhall1
I didn't save the DVR'd episodes, but I do remember in the promo he either said "it's magic" or "it's magical", and in the actual show he said "beautiful"

No, in the episode when Kate asked him what he saw, he said it was magic, and then when he's talking to Jack in this episode, he says it's beautiful. I don't see any reason for concern. When you recap a football game for someone, then later for someone different, all of your words don't have to match up exactly between the two accounts for the accounts to both be accurate.

Originally posted by David Ra
You can slash additional 2+ minutes for the end-credits, the theme song, and the "Previously on..." recap, so you may only get 41 to 42 minutes of original material. Yeah, I've been humming the Lost "theme song" for weeks, now. What a catchy tune! ;)

My problem with the ads on this show is not necessarily the total time, but the frequency of breaks. It seems to me they have more, shorter breaks than most 1-hour programs do.

Originally posted by tbb1226
Yeah, I've been humming the Lost "theme song" for weeks, now. What a catchy tune! ;)


Me too! I found the lyrics to the theme song....

It goes: " hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!"

The hard part is defocusing your eyes for the first part... :D

Did anyone notice in the last scene of the last EP, that looking back at the camp the windows on the fuselage seemed to be illuminated? Was this just the camfire behind it?

It caught my eye and a friend who was viewing with us, but I don't record them , so, anyone?

Originally posted by online2much

Lilly, 25, also hints that, despite her religious background, there may be raunchier times ahead. "I understand they're writing an episode where I find a shipment of lingerie and start running around in a racy bra and underwear."

I love this woman!

I hate it when the preview and the actual show have different things in them. The one I remember most recently were the previews for the movie Anchorman, the part where Will Ferrell comes walking through the office and yells "Hiiiiii-ohhhhh" and the file cabinet gets pulled out and he smacks into it. Never in the actual movie.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
I hate it when the preview and the actual show have different things in them.

There were a lot of scenes in the previews for "Secondhand Lions" that weren't in that movie, either.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
I hate it when the preview and the actual show have different things in them. The one I remember most recently were the previews for the movie Anchorman, the part where Will Ferrell comes walking through the office and yells "Hiiiiii-ohhhhh" and the file cabinet gets pulled out and he smacks into it. Never in the actual movie.

I remember the same for Austin Powers 2. The movie trailers had him calling for the "sexy stews" on a plane, and they reprimanded him saying that they're called flight attendants now. I think it was in the deleted scenes on the DVD.

Originally posted by rcwalters
No, in the episode when Kate asked him what he saw, he said it was magic, and then when he's talking to Jack in this episode, he says it's beautiful. I don't see any reason for concern. When you recap a football game for someone, then later for someone different, all of your words don't have to match up exactly between the two accounts for the accounts to both be accurate.

Well, I went back to the footage for the coach's challenge. Upon further review, it's not quite as you say. In fact, it's more than just 2 accounts slightly differing. It's an intentional misrepresentation of what's to come in the episode.

All the words used came from that one conversation with Jack after Locke pulled him up from the cliff.

The exact phrase in the previous week's promo was: "I've looked into the eye of this island, and what I saw, was magic."

In the actual episode, he says, "I've looked into the eye of this island, and what I saw, was beautiful."

Locke says the word "magic" earlier in that same conversion, and they simply cut that word out, and replaced "beautiful" in the promo. The exact quote where he says the word is: "I'm an ordinary man, Jack...meat and potatoes...I live in the real world. I'm not a big believer in...magic. But this place is different. It's special."

Ok, maybe he could have meant the same thing, but that isn't what he said. That word was not scripted as it could easily have been. Saying "beautiful" instead of "magic" actually leaves it more open for interpretation or other possibilities, which I think is the intention. So why replace it with magic in the promo? I don't know. Maybe they just felt that was more likely to bring in a viewer who thinks they are going to find an explanation already.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
I hate it when the preview and the actual show have different things in them. The one I remember most recently were the previews for the movie Anchorman, the part where Will Ferrell comes walking through the office and yells "Hiiiiii-ohhhhh" and the file cabinet gets pulled out and he smacks into it. Never in the actual movie. The problem is, the trailers for movies are made well before the movie is edited. Unfortunately, that means sometimes a scene is eliminated or recut, the change isn't reflected in the trailer.

Originally posted by NetworkTV
The problem is, the trailers for movies are made well before the movie is edited. Unfortunately, that means sometimes a scene is eliminated or recut, the change isn't reflected in the trailer.

Except in this case, the change was made for the trailer.

The statement Locke made in the episode was one, continuous, unedited sentence with no cutaways. For the trailer, they cut the end off that sentence, and lifted a word out of an entirely different sentence to alter the meaning or implication, however slightly.

I just find it odd that someone went to the trouble to do that. What is the benefit?

Originally posted by hefe
Except in this case, the change was made for the trailer.

The statement Locke made in the episode was one, continuous, unedited sentence with no cutaways. For the trailer, they cut the end off that sentence, and lifted a word out of an entirely different sentence to alter the meaning or implication, however slightly.

I just find it odd that someone went to the trouble to do that. What is the benefit?

Looks like they are going out of their way to make things appear one way and then change it up. Take this weeks previews for example, they want us to think the black guy is going to ax the Korean guy. You can bet the farm he is going to cut the handcuffs chain and not actually kill the guy. This will end the dispute between the two as the Korean guy will see that he was not trying to move in on the Korean guys wife. He was simply talking to her.

I can see the Black guy and the Korean woman hooking up down the line after the “monster” has the Korean guy for lunch but it will not happen until he is out of the picture.

Repeating tragedy scenario:
A) A few go out and find the remains in the cave.
B) They notice things about the cave and the remains like clothes or jewelry.
C) The ones who see these thing keep it a secret from the rest like they always do.
D) Later on they are talking to someone who was not with the cave exploration group and they recognize the clothing or jewelry that the person is wearing.

Just my 2 cents….

Originally posted by mboland
Looks like they are going out of their way to make things appear one way and then change it up. Take this weeks previews for example, they want us to think the black guy is going to ax the Korean guy.

I agree, but it is one thing to show a bit of a scene, and then cut it off (no pun intended) leaving you wondering what exactly is going to happen. Even if it is shot to be ambiguous, and leave you with the impression that something may happen, it isn't showing you a specific and incorrect conclusion to the shot.

This probably is not news to anyone, but if you didn't know... ABC has picked up the series "Lost" for a full season; which extends it from 13 to 22 episodes for the remainder of 2004/2005.

IMO this has to be one of the best produced, most imaginative new shows on TV this fall. Kudos to ABC and the television viewing public for picking up "Lost!!!"

What's imaginative is running it a minute long to prevent Tivos with season passes by title from recording the following time slot on another channel.:mad:

Originally posted by greywolf
What's imaginative is running it a minute long to prevent Tivos with season passes by title from recording the following time slot on another channel.:mad:

My DirecTV TiVo has 2 tuners so I dont run into this problem. I record Lost and Smallville during the same time slot. As long as you dont need both shows in the current time slot to record longer than normal it's not a problem. The Smallvile tuner can go record the next show in my case.

With improved hardware I can see the Tivo units recording 4 shows at onece. My TiVo has 4 tuners in it (2 OTA and 2 DirecTV) but I assume the hardware/software has limitations on the ammount of video it can process and record.

I have 2 shows scheduled on different channels in the following time slot.

I am really surprised that ABC picked it up! Its not a "Mainstream" storyline. This is something you would find on WB or FOX. I am glad that they did!

I'm a big Emilie de Ravin (Claire) fan and glad that she has found a home on ABC for a while.

Its shot in Hawaii.

Originally posted by greywolf
What's imaginative is running it a minute long to prevent Tivos with season passes by title from recording the following time slot on another channel.:mad:
Damn them!! We missed the last minute of both Lost and Desperate Housewives last week because of this. I didn't know if DirecTV had the wrong time, ABC, or what the deal was. I've padded both of them, so I guess I'll be ok now. Fortunately, I've relegated all SD recordings to the SD TiVo, which helps to reduce conflicts. I don't have any problems padding Housewives & Lost.

Sorry, I don't know if this was mentioned earlier and I don't want to look throught 1300 posts but....

Lost will be 61 minutes long for the remainder of the season according to a release I saw by ABC on another website. Adjust your PVR's/VCR's timers.

Originally posted by Barrybud
I am really surprised that ABC picked it up! Its not a "Mainstream" storyline. This is something you would find on WB or FOX. I am glad that they did!

I'm a big Emilie de Raven (Claire) fan and glad that she has found a home on ABC for a while.

Its shot in hawii.

It is nice to see some fresh ideas get picked up. I loved CSI when it was new but this 3 shows of it is getting old. CBS has CSI and NBC has Law & Order. I'm sick of getting into a show and then it get the ax. I love Alias and it looks like it is in trouble. I thought "Tru Calling" was a cool idea and that one may not even get to air the 6 epesode 2nd season.

I just wish some of these shows would get picked up by a smaller network or a cable ch. I don't like the corp line on a show like Alias. "Yeah it's good but it's not going higher and we need to give another show a shot to bring in huge numbers". WB, UPN, or a station like TND, FX, USA, SciFi would love to have a show like Alias or Tru Calling. That way we get to keep our shows and the Networks be happy as well. I guess the main thing keeping that from happening is a show like Alias costs so much to make.

Originally posted by greywolf
What's imaginative is running it a minute long to prevent Tivos with season passes by title from recording the following time slot on another channel.:mad:

I have the SA8000HD-DVR, not the Tivo, but I'm surprised that it wouldn't just start recording the next show anyway, after the extra minute expired, like a VCR would...? You'd think the programmers would have written some kind of logic code that would handle such situations. Sure, you'd miss the first minute of the next show, but at least you wouldn't miss the whole thing.

This is why i picked up two dual dvr's from comcast. Add the extra minute and when done switch to other dvr or second tuner and you will catch up as you ffwd through the commercials.

Originally posted by Elite09
Sorry, I don't know if this was mentioned earlier and I don't want to look throught 1300 posts but....

Lost will be 61 minutes long for the remainder of the season according to a release I saw by ABC on another website. Adjust your PVR's/VCR's timers. The TiVo guide makes the adjustment (scheduled from 8 to 9:01 ET) - but guess what? Last week's Lost episode was 61 minutes and ~20 seconds, plus previews! Padding still required.

Originally posted by mboland


Repeating tragedy scenario:
A) A few go out and find the remains in the cave.
B) They notice things about the cave and the remains like clothes or jewelry.
C) The ones who see these thing keep it a secret from the rest like they always do.
D) Later on they are talking to someone who was not with the cave exploration group and they recognize the clothing or jewelry that the person is wearing.

Just my 2 cents….

I had the same thought - but I'm hoping they will come up with a nice little unexpected twist.

I just upgraded to 3.1.5e and there was a message saying that some ABC shows are running 1 minute longer

I've been regularly missing the last minute and cursing about it since the beginning but it's only in the last week I bothered to pad the recording time. If they want to play silly games on most shows I'll just guess at the last minute. The best guess is usually commercials anyway.

But I suppose Lost is good enough I'll put up with it for now. ;)

- Tom