Less than impressed this week. Could someone explain why Hurley can't go on a diet? It is rather stupid to keep saying he has a stash in the jungle. Damn just make the tub of lard lose some weight or he loses his job.

EricgloActually... I like the way last night's episode set things up for next week... it was particularly chilling when Henry confirmed our suspicions that he is indeed one of the "others" who sent Ana Lucia, Sayid and Charlie into a trap.

Speaking of Hurley... give the guy a break... he adds some balance/realism to the show... where a bunch of good-looking actors somehow manage to survive a plane crash from 35,000 feet and become "Lost" on a mystical island.

I can't believe nobody has pointed out the best quote of the week:

"People don't like me."
- AnaLucia stating the obvious

I can't believe nobody has pointed out the best quote of the week:

"People don't like me."
- AnaLucia stating the obviousI like her... very much... :D

I can't believe nobody has pointed out the best quote of the week:

"People don't like me."
- AnaLucia stating the obvious

In that same conversation, though, I picked up something about Sayid. I thought he was a bit overboard when "questioning" Henry, but his response to AL that he didn't blame her for Shannon's death because she was protecting her people was interesting.

He places blame on the Others. I can see why he'd want any excuse to off Henry.

On another note, interesting how Charlie had a gun, obviously from his little pact with Sawyer. Can't wait til next week!

He's becoming emboldened also: (to AL) "The last time you had a gun you murdered someone".

The game playing (pretending to hand the gun to AL then giving it to Sayid; the look on his face as if Sawyer is his Svengali, etc. I see major changes in good-ol' Charlie.

Actually... I like the way last night's episode set things up for next week... it was particularly chilling when Henry confirmed our suspicions that he is indeed one of the "others" who sent Ana Lucia, Sayid and Charlie into a trap.

Speaking of Hurley... give the guy a break... he adds some balance/realism to the show... where a bunch of good-looking actors somehow manage to survive a plane crash from 35,000 feet and become "Lost" on a mystical island.

I don't think it was confirmed that he is an 'other', since we didn't after all see them being ambushed, although that may come next week.

But I agree with you about Hurley. He's great to watch and a nice diversion from all of the mannequin-like model types that populate the majority of TV shows.

Would be a good thing to research. I thought Sun's face expressions while Jin was hugging her was concerning. Like she was thinking of something she wasn't telling him (like the English Teacher). But then she smiled at the end...like she thought about things, then was a peace with her decision not to tell him how she really got pregnant.

Wasn't she kidnapped recently?

I don't think it was confirmed that he is an 'other', since we didn't after all see them being ambushed, although that may come next week.True enough... but for a guy in his current position... Henry sure was being a wi$e-a$$.But I agree with you about Hurley. He's great to watch and a nice diversion from all of the mannequin-like model types that populate the majority of TV shows.But I have to admit... I also enjoy the scenes of Kate... in the shower... at the beach... etc... :)

To me, the fact that Sun told Jin he was the one who was infertle was enough to believe she hasn't been with anyone else.

If she had, it would have been much easier to hide it by keeping her mouth shut.

...I also enjoy the scenes of Kate... in the shower... at the beach... etc... :)

Agreed. She is certainly exempt!

Some random thoughts/comments...

I definitely think Sun got pregnant on the island due to the timing issue. Just like Locke's legs and the deputy's arm growing back (sorry, that's Invasion), Jin's infertility was cured by the island and/or Dharma. That's not to say Sun didn't have an affair although we weren't given enough to know one way or the other there.

The availability of the pregnancy test still bugs me. Maybe it was with the tarps (cargo on the plane per the producers). Having these little things they need still leads me down the path of their presence on the island was all planned/orchestrated somehow.

If Walt was responsible for his own projection, will Sayid have a score to settle with Walt since it would be his fault Shannon was killed?

Henry has some big part to play in this: he may very well be "the man". Putting out that "If I was one of them" scenario at the end was pretty cocky. He's definitely doing everything he can to be subversive, and he's very good at it. Why is it that everyone confesses to Henry? First it was Ecko, this week it was AL. Not to mention Sayid's outburst/beating. And Henry was the impetus for Locke to make some independent decisions (the AL interrogation) without Jack's influence. It's like Henry is forcing/allowing everyone to confront their issues.

To me, the fact that Sun told Jin he was the one who was infertle was enough to believe she hasn't been with anyone else.

If she had, it would have been much easier to hide it by keeping her mouth shut.

Huh? When did she tell him that? Your second line makes me think you meant something different than what you wrote.

Wasn't she kidnapped recently?

Yes, but it was by Charlie as a way to distract everyone from what Sawyer was doing. And I dont think Charlie got her pregnant.

Huh? When did she tell him that? Your second line makes me think you meant something different than what you wrote.

My understanding of that is this:

If Sun had cheated on Jin, then she would not have told Jin that he was infertile. She would have kept her mouth shut, and let Jin think that it was his.

But because she did tell him, then it makes her statement that she didn't cheat on him more credible.

One thing to keep in mind is the nanobot theory and how it cures people. That nanobots somehow were able to cure Locke of his paralysis, and may now have been able to cure Jin of his infertility.
I don't know about nanobots, but this is basically what I was thinking. If Locke can be cured, why can't Jin?

Anyone else think Jin will be speaking english by next season?

Yeah...something fishy there.

But I'm not sure it was hotel boy who knocked her up. They've been on the island 3 months. I'm no expert, but shouldn't she have been experiencing symptoms after a month or so (or even less)?

If she's less than 3 months pregs than it was someone on the island (or Dharma working their mojo in stealth mode). She and Jin got it on when he got back, but that's only been a week in island time (per Ana Lucia).

Ok, I went back and did the math...Based on the title the OTHER 48 days, plus Ana's statement that she'd been with them about a week, that puts it at about 2 months(not 3 as I originally thought).

If hotel boy was the daddy, that's still pretty late to start having symptoms is it not?

Gone are the days when a Network can drag out 22 episodes over ~40 weeks and make that work.

It works okay with "self-contained" series where there's no (or little) continuation from episode to episode. But it is a disaster for a series that builds on each episode -- such as LOST. With those series, I think the network needs to arrange 24 straight weeks to broadcast wthout any interruptions. If they want to repeat an episode, it should be on a different day (maybe a slow time).

I agree 100% with the continuity problems with LOST. Very disruptive. Fox Network with the series 24 is a good example of how to do it. I think they could've done a better job with "Prison Break" if it was 24 straight instead of two separate blocks. However, I think that was a necessity because they were only approved for half a season initially and that's what they filmed. When the series became a hit, they were approved for the remaining episodes which they had to film. I think if they had approval for all 24 episodes, it would have run uninterrupted -- just like 24.

But other networks need to implement this same formula with with some of their "story-based" series.

Ok, I went back and did the math...Based on the title the OTHER 48 days, plus Ana's statement that she'd been with them about a week, that puts it at about 2 months(not 3 as I originally thought).

If hotel boy was the daddy, that's still pretty late to start having symptoms is it not?


Not necessarily. For a lot of woman, the sickest times are during the first trimester. Some don't start really feeling the effects until the last part of the first trimester and some during the 1st part of the second trimester. So, if they've only been on the island for 2 months, then it's very possible she could just now be feeling pregnant.

As bad as this sounds. I went to school with a girl who was pregnant and never showed signs. Her parents didn't know she was pregnant until she went into labor. The girl swore she didn't know she was pregnant as she didn't show any signs. (I know...how could you NOT know you were pregnant!!!)

So, I guess this is possible.

Ok, I went back and did the math...Based on the title the OTHER 48 days, plus Ana's statement that she'd been with them about a week, that puts it at about 2 months(not 3 as I originally thought).

If hotel boy was the daddy, that's still pretty late to start having symptoms is it not?

She certainly would have been questioning her cycle well before now. Although, if they had a true deserted island type of diet, even that may not be so unusual.

I like her... very much... :D

I like her midget's thumbs. Thanks Quinocampa, I'm gonna have to use that one.

Henry has some big part to play in this: he may very well be "the man". Putting out that "If I was one of them" scenario at the end was pretty cocky. He's definitely doing everything he can to be subversive, and he's very good at it. Why is it that everyone confesses to Henry? First it was Ecko, this week it was AL. Not to mention Sayid's outburst/beating. And Henry was the impetus for Locke to make some independent decisions (the AL interrogation) without Jack's influence. It's like Henry is forcing/allowing everyone to confront their issues.

What I keep in mind is that it isn't in the nature of most of our heroes to torture, interrogate, or retain prisoners. These are regular folks, with the exception of AL and Sayid. Their relative safety lulls them into at least some sense of security. They get by well enough, day to day, except when they go looking for trouble. I think it is natural for people like this to disclose personal experiences. Jack's a doctor who saves and heals people, so maintaining Henry's well-being comes naturally. Being on-guard with Henry is probably something they don't consider beyond, "there're two of us, in case he tries to fight or flee."

That being said, there are many things they DIDN'T tell Henry, though the opportunity was there. They didn't say anything about entering the numbers, though they were directly asked about the computers. They didn't disclose their history in the hatch, the abductions, or Mr. Friendly. AL didn't say anything about the Other that she killed, but only about the first guy in the pit, and not even how he died. I wouldn't say they're totally open with him.

Anyone else think Jin will be speaking english by next season?

Remember when he spoke English in Hurley's dream, while dressed in the chicken suit? The actor himself speaks English. He's established with Sun that it is a problem, and he needs her because of it. It is natural to expect them to do whatever they can to bridge the language gap. He already knows a few words, and found ways to communicate while building and sailing the raft. Yeah, I think it can happen.

He's becoming emboldened also: (to AL) "The last time you had a gun you murdered someone".

The game playing (pretending to hand the gun to AL then giving it to Sawyer; the look on his face as if Sawyer is his Svengali, etc. I see major changes in good-ol' Charlie.


Actually, he gave the gun to Sayid, not Sawyer.

Not necessarily. For a lot of woman, the sickest times are during the first trimester. Some don't start really feeling the effects until the last part of the first trimester and some during the 1st part of the second trimester. So, if they've only been on the island for 2 months, then it's very possible she could just now be feeling pregnant.

As bad as this sounds. I went to school with a girl who was pregnant and never showed signs. Her parents didn't know she was pregnant until she went into labor. The girl swore she didn't know she was pregnant as she didn't show any signs. (I know...how could you NOT know you were pregnant!!!)

So, I guess this is possible.

I doubt your friend had a body like Sun's.

It works okay with "self-contained" series where there's no (or little) continuation from episode to episode. But it is a disaster for a series that builds on each episode -- such as LOST. With those series, I think the network needs to arrange 24 straight weeks to broadcast wthout any interruptions. If they want to repeat an episode, it should be on a different day (maybe a slow time).

I agree 100% with the continuity problems with LOST. Very disruptive. Fox Network with the series 24 is a good example of how to do it. I think they could've done a better job with "Prison Break" if it was 24 straight instead of two separate blocks. However, I think that was a necessity because they were only approved for half a season initially and that's what they filmed. When the series became a hit, they were approved for the remaining episodes which they had to film. I think if they had approval for all 24 episodes, it would have run uninterrupted -- just like 24.

But other networks need to implement this same formula with with some of their "story-based" series.

I agree too. Maybe they could have some sort of "split season". Delay the start a little - like wait until after baseball season. Then have a big gap during the holidays when people are busy with family and aren't that interested in TV anyway. Either test a new series during that time, or rerun the first half of the season in order which then leads from the last re-run directly into the first new one with minimal loss of continuity.

-Chris

I doubt your friend had a body like Sun's.


I wouldn't call her my 'friend', more like a friend of a friend. Maybe no Sun, but she was built just fine though.

About 5'3", 115lbs. She just didn't show when she was pregnant. Because she was so small and didn't take care of herself, the baby was born VERY premature. Could fit in the palm of your hand.

Actually, he gave the gun to Sayid, not Sawyer.

My mistake - wrong 'S'. I'll correct it.

I agree too. Maybe they could have some sort of "split season". Delay the start a little - like wait until after baseball season. Then have a big gap during the holidays when people are busy with family and aren't that interested in TV anyway. Either test a new series during that time, or rerun the first half of the season in order which then leads from the last re-run directly into the first new one with minimal loss of continuity.

-Chris

They can't skip over September sweeps without a revolt from their affiliates. As long as local ad rates are determined by ratings in SEPT, FEB, and MAY - the national networks will make sure their biggest hits straddle all three time periods.

They can't skip over September sweeps without a revolt from their affiliates. As long as local ad rates are determined by ratings in SEPT, FEB, and MAY - the national networks will make sure their biggest hits straddle all three time periods.
There is no such thing as Septemper sweeps, the start of the fall season is in September. Why would there be sweeps right when the season starts? Doesn't make much sense does it. The sweep periods are November and February, period. May is generally when the season ends and season finales are not considered sweeps.

They can't skip over September sweeps without a revolt from their affiliates. As long as local ad rates are determined by ratings in SEPT, FEB, and MAY - the national networks will make sure their biggest hits straddle all three time periods.


I believe it's November, Feb, and May.

It works okay with "self-contained" series where there's no (or little) continuation from episode to episode. But it is a disaster for a series that builds on each episode -- such as LOST. With those series, I think the network needs to arrange 24 straight weeks to broadcast wthout any interruptions. If they want to repeat an episode, it should be on a different day (maybe a slow time).

I agree 100% with the continuity problems with LOST. Very disruptive. Fox Network with the series 24 is a good example of how to do it. I think they could've done a better job with "Prison Break" if it was 24 straight instead of two separate blocks. However, I think that was a necessity because they were only approved for half a season initially and that's what they filmed. When the series became a hit, they were approved for the remaining episodes which they had to film. I think if they had approval for all 24 episodes, it would have run uninterrupted -- just like 24.

But other networks need to implement this same formula with with some of their "story-based" series.What they may want to try is to precede the "new" season with repeats from the previous for continuity throughout the Sept. - May time period. This way they pick up new fans and the "others" will partake when the new episodes begin.

My bad.... November is the fall sweeps.

Either way, the concept of sweeps is ridiculous and outdated. There's no reason they couldn't get realistic local ratings on an ongoing basis.

There is no such thing as Septemper sweeps, the start of the fall season is in September. Why would there be sweeps right when the season starts? Doesn't make much sense does it. The sweep periods are November and February, period. May is generally when the season ends and season finales are not considered sweeps.

Right. That's what I thought. And what is all this business about Nielsen hardware? I thought their main tool was a diary that you filled in by hand.

-Chris

haha or have common sense...it still didn't explain who was traveling one...
Uhhh...perhaps someone who was "late", and picked one up at the drugstore while on vacation in Australia...but didn't have the guts to take it yet, so shoved it in her bag?

Not sure why this seems to be such a "plot hole" for so many people...There are any number of reasons why someone might have had a preggers test in their luggage.

What's the big deal?

I believe it's November, Feb, and May.

That's correct, but the networks usually broadcast a batch of new episodes for the first month (Sept-Oct) as well to get people "hooked" on the show. Which, of course, means even more repeats during the rest of the 35 week season.

There is no such thing as Septemper sweeps, the start of the fall season is in September. Why would there be sweeps right when the season starts? Doesn't make much sense does it. The sweep periods are November and February, period. May is generally when the season ends and season finales are not considered sweeps.Wrong! You are completely off base. There are multiple sweeps periods and November, February and May are simply the biggest and most influential to advertisers.


http://www.nielsenmedia.com/sweeps.html



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I can't believe nobody has pointed out the best quote of the week:

"People don't like me."
- AnaLucia stating the obvious

I was particularly fond of:

(Charley, to AL...talking about Sayid)

"Humor isn't his strong suit"
"...and I'm telling this to YOU."

(paraphrased)

What they may want to try is to precede the "new" season with repeats from the previous for continuity throughout the Sept. - May time period. This way they pick up new fans and the "others" will partake when the new episodes begin.

They aren't going to "try" anything that is suggested by you, me or anyone else here, now are they?

That's correct, but the networks usually broadcast a batch of new episodes for the first month (Sept-Oct) as well to get people "hooked" on the show. Which, of course, means even more repeats during the rest of the 35 week season.

I suppose Fox, being at the bottom of the big "four", has more insentive to experiment. With 24, they show two episodes on opening night and two more the following week, getting veiwers hooked real fast.

I see NBC is finally joining in on the ongoing story format with "Heist". Or do they have other series as well?

Right. That's what I thought. And what is all this business about Nielsen hardware? I thought their main tool was a diary that you filled in by hand.

-Chris
Actually, I just became a "Nielsen Family" through my DirecTivo. I was sent something in the mail a few months ago, then had a followup phone interview. They "turned me on" a few weeks ago. My Tivo data is being sent to Neilsen...

I see NBC is finally joining in on the ongoing story format with "Heist". Or do they have other series as well?
Overnights show that Heist tanked, coming in 4th place. I haven't watched Heist yet, but Evidence on ABC was pretty good.

Either way, the concept of sweeps is ridiculous and outdated. There's no reason they couldn't get realistic local ratings on an ongoing basis.
Or better yet, end the concept of local affiliates. :D

I believe it's November, Feb, and May.

Sheesh! That COMPLETELY changes the poster's main point! What sticklers... :p

Uhhh...perhaps someone who was "late", and picked one up at the drugstore while on vacation in Australia...but didn't have the guts to take it yet, so shoved it in her bag?

Not sure why this seems to be such a "plot hole" for so many people...There are any number of reasons why someone might have had a preggers test in their luggage.

What's the big deal?

You sound like my wife! She played the woman card, asking how I, as a man, could have a leg to stand on, regarding whether or not a woman might have a test. When Kate herself spoke up to Sun though, all of us were vindicated.

I think the baby was conceived on the island - as someone else mentioned, the timing is not right for her symptoms to just be starting and her be 8-9 weeks pregnant... Maybe, if she got with baldy the day before their flight to Australia (and how long were they in australia - that could add a couple of weeks to her last possible encounter with baldy). So, whether it's Jin's or not - I think it was defineately conceived on the island. Perhaps (again, someone else suggested) it's another effect of the island.. Perhaps it makes people hyper fertile, so everyone who gets busy will get knocked-up!I'm surprised no one has brought up the possibility of immaculate conception on this show. That was the first thing I though of.

Another Shmi Skywalker plot! Mitichlorians on the island!

I agree too. Maybe they could have some sort of "split season". Delay the start a little - like wait until after baseball season. Then have a big gap during the holidays when people are busy with family and aren't that interested in TV anyway. Either test a new series during that time, or rerun the first half of the season in order which then leads from the last re-run directly into the first new one with minimal loss of continuity.

-Chris24 did this in seasons 2 and 3 before going to the non-stop format in season 4

If that Baby is born with a Heroin addiction, there is gonna be some serious problems. :eek:

I'm surprised no one has brought up the possibility of immaculate conception on this show.
Jin brought it up when he said "It's a miracle." I think the posters here are avoiding the possibility (myself included) just because it is not an attractive explanation. Such an explanation certainly would not jive with the supposed comment from the show creators that everything on the island can be explained without resorting to fantasy (my words). It sure would be unexpected if that's the explanation the writers choose to use.

Actually, I just became a "Nielsen Family" through my DirecTivo. I was sent something in the mail a few months ago, then had a followup phone interview. They "turned me on" a few weeks ago. My Tivo data is being sent to Neilsen...

I've always heard that being a "Nielsen Family" is a secret. Unless they've changed the agreement since you are sending the data via your TiVo. Do I understand your post correctly? Do you have a HDTiVo? I would assume so since you are posting this in the HDTV Programming forum.

My guess about the whole Jin/Sun/Jr discussion: Jin was so stressed out while working for Sun's father that it was lowering his sperm count.

Hey, at least now he gets to be w/ Sun, have a child, and be a fisherman!

It works okay with "self-contained" series where there's no (or little) continuation from episode to episode. But it is a disaster for a series that builds on each episode -- such as LOST. With those series, I think the network needs to arrange 24 straight weeks to broadcast wthout any interruptions. If they want to repeat an episode, it should be on a different day (maybe a slow time).

I agree 100% with the continuity problems with LOST. Very disruptive. Fox Network with the series 24 is a good example of how to do it. I think they could've done a better job with "Prison Break" if it was 24 straight instead of two separate blocks. However, I think that was a necessity because they were only approved for half a season initially and that's what they filmed. When the series became a hit, they were approved for the remaining episodes which they had to film. I think if they had approval for all 24 episodes, it would have run uninterrupted -- just like 24.

But other networks need to implement this same formula with with some of their "story-based" series.

I'm considering buying the HD-DVD or BD box set when it's available just because of the discontinuity of trying to watch it on TV. Any one else considering it? Maybe the network has this in mind.

I'm considering buying the HD-DVD or BD box set when it's available just because of the discontinuity of trying to watch it on TV. Any one else considering it? Maybe the network has this in mind.

There have been many direct-to-DVD titles, but I don't know whether any of those have been serials. I wonder if a show like Lost could be filmed with the pure intent of selling to the DVD market?

Do you have a HDTiVo? I would assume so since you are posting this in the HDTV Programming forum.

Brings up an interesting question. I wonder how many posters to this forum DON'T have HD?

I've always heard that being a "Nielsen Family" is a secret. Unless they've changed the agreement since you are sending the data via your TiVo. Do I understand your post correctly? Do you have a HDTiVo? I would assume so since you are posting this in the HDTV Programming forum.
Correct. I have an HD-Tivo. And I'm not supposed to tell friends and family members, as that may influence their viewing habits when they're at my house. But in the (relative) anonymity of this forum, I'm not breaking any agreements.

The way it works is the HD-Tivo phones the data in and Nielsen collects it. Not sure if it's going to Tivo first, then getting sent to Nielsen, or if it's making a separate call. Haven't looked into it that closely. My "personal" info is not carried along with my viewing data, but my demographic info *is*. (I believe they assign each participant a unique number...) So, the data that comes from my machine is somehow assiciated with a particular gender, age, ethnicity, etc...

Or something like that...

Sorry to hear that we're not friends, Gecko85!

The way it works is the HD-Tivo phones the data in and Nielsen collects it. Not sure if it's going to Tivo first, then getting sent to Nielsen, or if it's making a separate call.
So does Nielsen care that you FF through all the commercials? :D

Let's not get too off topic here - fredfa just posted some ratings/advertising info in the HOTP thread, so let's continue the Nielsen talk over there.

herdfan:

One of those articles posted is discussing the "minute-by-minute" ratings that Nielsen is starting to sell (interestingly broadcasters aren't buying the service, but advertisers are ;) ) that will account for people who flip during commercial breaks.

One thing to keep in mind is the nanobot theory and how it cures people. That nanobots somehow were able to cure Locke of his paralysis, and may now have been able to cure Jin of his infertility.
Considering Locke got cured literally within minutes of the crash landing, those nanobots are pretty impressive.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the possibility of immaculate conception on this show.Jin brought it up when he said "It's a miracle." I think the posters here are avoiding the possibility (myself included) just because it is not an attractive explanation. Such an explanation certainly would not jive with the supposed comment from the show creators that everything on the island can be explained without resorting to fantasy (my words). It sure would be unexpected if that's the explanation the writers choose to use.

I'm pretty sure that when Jin said "it's a miracle", he was referring to his earlier understanding that he and Sun couldn't conceive. I thought it was an interesting twist in the backstory that the doctor confidentially changed his diagnosis for Sun's benefit - I wonder if she ever told Jin? Regardless, having thought it was impossible for "them" to bear children a "man of faith" might readily accept Sun's pregnancy as a miracle, especially on this island.

The changing look on Sun's face when coming to terms with their newfound "joy" may not have been because it wasn't Jin's child. It could easily be a reaction to feeling that the island may somehow now lay a claim to that child. Then again, it could be the reaction of a new mother concerned about bringing up a baby in such uncertain circumstances. Several possible explanations.

IMO this was the most soap-opera-ish episode so far in the series. Nobody has gone temporarily blind yet, have they?

Considering Locke got cured literally within minutes of the crash landing, those nanobots are pretty impressive.

We still don't know the nature of Locke's problem to begin with. It could have been Psychosomatic and the plane crash could have been just the thing to snap him out of it.

Same with Jin. He was not a happy person and was under a tremendous amount of stress when he was tested.

No science fiction, no overt religious connotations, just simple explanations that can easily be explained through known medicine.

Overnights show that Heist tanked, coming in 4th place. I haven't watched Heist yet, but Evidence on ABC was pretty good.

What I liked about Heist was it is the first program in I don't know how many years that is not afraid of politically incorrect humor.

You sound like my wife! She played the woman card, asking how I, as a man, could have a leg to stand on, regarding whether or not a woman might have a test. When Kate herself spoke up to Sun though, all of us were vindicated.

Hmm.. Did anyone notice who wrote the episode? It would be funny if it were a male.

Correct. I have an HD-Tivo. And I'm not supposed to tell friends and family members, as that may influence their viewing habits when they're at my house. But in the (relative) anonymity of this forum, I'm not breaking any agreements.....So, the data that comes from my machine is somehow assiciated with a particular gender, age, ethnicity, etc...

Or something like that...

Well, YOU know. Does that influence your viewing habits? And how can they record choices by gender, etc., if your family doesn't know?

CPanther95 said:
I'm talking about an SDTV. I think most televisions less than 8 or 9 years old are too advanced for Nielsen installation.OTOH, about two months ago Nielsen asked DirecTV TiVo users (like me) if they'd like to volunteer to be Nielsen families. All you had to do was press Select on Yes and they'd start the process of adding you to their list. (This may be the first time ever that Nielsen has asked for volunteers from any kind of a general population; it used to be that they'd select you, not the other way around.)

For those who don't know, TiVo Inc. has always had the ability to watch what your TiVo does, even down to which commercials you skip and which sections of a recording you watch more than once. You can opt out of this data collection, but even if you don't, the data has always been anonymous (says TiVo) — i.e., supposedly it's not associated in their database with any details that could possibly identify you.

Maybe the data given to Nielsen (once a TiVo user "opts in") is almost as anonymous; they don't really need to know anything more than the ages and income levels of the family members and a general geographic location. No word on how long Nielsen's data gathering would last after you signed up; typically, they drop a family after 2 to 5 years.

I can see at least one tiny problem with this newfangled Nielsen method: Frequently, especially on cheap-ass channels like WGN or TNT, a scheduled movie or show is replaced by something else, and you might end up watching the unexpected movie or show — thereby sending bad data to Nielsen.

Sorry to hear that we're not friends, Gecko85!
:D ;)

Well, YOU know. Does that influence your viewing habits? And how can they record choices by gender, etc., if your family doesn't know?
(apologies for being off topic...just want to clear it up.)

Sorry...I meant family members not living with me. In other words, anyone visiting my house and watching tv. They have demo info on everyone in my particular household. No way to tell who's watching what, though, but I guess it's better than nothing.

OTOH, about two months ago Nielsen asked DirecTV TiVo users (like me) if they'd like to volunteer to be Nielsen families.

Yep. I'm one of 'em.

BTW...nice username. Atari fan, by chance...or just astronomy? (Or something else entirely...)

I suppose Fox, being at the bottom of the big "four"...
You are kidding, aren't you?? NBC has that dubious distinction. Fox is in the upper tier of the four (ratings wise) battling with CBS & ABC for a second straight number one win in a row. Granted, that has mostly to do with AI, but...

Not necessarily. For a lot of woman, the sickest times are during the first trimester. Some don't start really feeling the effects until the last part of the first trimester and some during the 1st part of the second trimester. So, if they've only been on the island for 2 months, then it's very possible she could just now be feeling pregnant.

Uh, hi. Token forum girl here.

Even if you weren't having symptoms -- like morning sickness -- you would most definitely have one symptom. One that you ordinarily get every month. :) And even if you're somewhat irregular, you'd notice not having one in *two* months. Even with the change in diet, I don't think most women would write off not menstruating that quickly, particularly if they'd been sexually active.

For my part, I believed Sun when she told Jin that she hadn't been with any other man, and that she loved him. I think she got pregnant on the island (probably right before Jin left on the raft). I think Jin, like Locke, was cured by the island or whatever is making the stuff on the island happen.

It wasn't implausible at all to me that someone had a pregnancy test in their luggage. You're supposed to wait until you're a certain number of days "late" before you take it. Someone on the plane could have suspected she was pregnant and was just waiting until the right time to take the test.

Also, a baby wouldn't be born with a drug addiction unless the *mother* is addicted... even if the father was high as a kite at the time of conception. The reason babies are born addicted is that drugs are passed via the umbilical cord through the bloodstream. Not an issue with the father's contribution to the process. Besides, Sun and Charlie? Not.

You sound like my wife! She played the woman card, asking how I, as a man, could have a leg to stand on, regarding whether or not a woman might have a test. When Kate herself spoke up to Sun though, all of us were vindicated.Vindication? Are you serious? That was clearly a direct jab at all the obsessive, nit-picking, overly anal "fans" who spent way too much time on web boards complaining about the low probability of there being any test kits on the plane. They weren't vindicating those that questioned. They were making fun of them :D. I thought it was the best line of the show, right up there with the "Don't you people wonder what all this stuff is for" and "You people have some trust issues" lines from Gale (also in the same vein).


ron

Vindication? Are you serious? That was clearly a direct jab at all the obsessive, nit-picking, overly anal "fans" who spent way too much time on web boards complaining about the low probability of there being any test kits on the plane. They weren't vindicating those that questioned. They were making fun of them :D. I thought it was the best line of the show, right up there with the "Don't you people wonder what all this stuff is for" and "You people have some trust issues" lines from Gale (also in the same vein).


ron

I STILL stood up and threw my fists in the air with a "yyy-ESSS!" Keep in mind too, with Kate being the overly flighty, commitment-phobic that she is, she probably thinks more like a guy in this respect anyway. Can you imagine her settling down and having kids? Heh-heh...

Uh, hi. Token forum girl here.
I was wondering when you'd pipe up! :D

We guys discussing the likelyhood of Saywer having an EPT, along with the other speculations regarding pregnancy and women's health issues was beginning to make me cringe (e.g., "symptoms" of pregnancy, as if it were a disease :eek: )

Thanks for the woman's perspective in this...

~Dan

Would be a good thing to research. I thought Sun's face expressions while Jin was hugging her was concerning. Like she was thinking of something she wasn't telling him (like the English Teacher). But then she smiled at the end...like she thought about things, then was a peace with her decision not to tell him how she really got pregnant.Agreed. That hug might've sold Jin, but her expression didn't sell me at all. We'll know in 6-8 months (episode time) if she's lying or not.

Jin brought it up when he said "It's a miracle." I think the posters here are avoiding the possibility (myself included) just because it is not an attractive explanation. Such an explanation certainly would not jive with the supposed comment from the show creators that everything on the island can be explained without resorting to fantasy....Um... then what in the HELL do you call the black fog? I'm sorry, but the show HAS to be SCI-FI or fantasy.

That black horse might as well have been a unicorn.

Agreed. That hug might've sold Jin, but her expression didn't sell me at all. We'll know in 6-8 months (episode time) if she's lying or not.We'll all be dead and buried by then at the rate new eps come out.

It'll also be interesting when Walt returns, and he's 27 years old, even though they have only supposedly been on the island 6 months.

You are kidding, aren't you?? NBC has that dubious distinction. Fox is in the upper tier of the four (ratings wise) battling with CBS & ABC for a second straight number one win in a row. Granted, that has mostly to do with AI, but...

Well, afaik, POWERWISE, Fox is still the little guy.

Besides, Sun and Charlie? Not.

I would have said the same about Kate and Charlie, but life can be strange...

Agreed. That hug might've sold Jin, but her expression didn't sell me at all. We'll know in 6-8 months (episode time) if she's lying or not.

Do you think you'll still be watching in 7 years?

Some people, myself included, view previews as spoilers. I try not to watch movie trailers for the same reason.

Mark

Apparently, one more time :o
However, next week's preview more or less stated it. I'll edit myself, but you'll have to edit my quote in your post...

Previews aren't considered spoilers within this thread.

Previews aren't considered spoilers within this thread.

Well established long ago.

Well, afaik, POWERWISE, Fox is still the little guy.

In the "power" demo of Adults 18-49, these are the season-to-date averages for the eight broadcast networks as of March 19th.

ABC 4.2/11, 5.4 million
Fox 3.9/10, 5.1 million
CBS 3.9/10, 5.0 million
NBC 3.4/9, 4.4 million
UNI 1.7/4, 2.2 million
WB 1.3/3, 1.8 million
UPN 1.3/3, 1.7 million
TEL 0.5/1, 0.7 million

ABC's top rank for the season is mostly due to the Super Bowl. It has maintained that rank in large part to Grey's Anatomy, Dancing With Stars and, of course Lost.

Do you think you'll still be watching in 7 years?Nope. I'm givin' it one more season.

In the "power" demo of Adults 18-49...So now that I've hit the BIG 50... :eek: and I have more disposable income then ever before... my opinions don't matter? :p

So now that I've hit the BIG 50... :eek: and I have more disposable income then ever before... my opinions don't matter? :p

Oh, your opinion matters. Your's is the fastest growing demo.

Here's how things stack up for Adults 25-54:

CBS 4.9/12, 5.9 million
ABC 4.8/12, 5.9 million
Fox 4.1/10, 5.1 million
NBC 4.1/10, 5.0 million
UNI 1.6/4, 2.0 million
WB 1.3/3, 1.6 million
UPN 1.2/3, 1.5 million
TEL 0.5/1, 0.6 million

CBS & ABC are in a dead heat.

Cool. I like "Lost" and I like "My Name is Earl" too! :)

I actually believe that Jin is the father of the baby, but according to some timelines conception would've needed to take place shortly after they got on the island. Do you guys remember an awkward connection between Michael and Sun in season 1? There seemed to be at least a mutual curiosity in each other and he did see her naked if I remember correctly. I don't really think Michael and Sun hooked up, but it's something to consider.

Vindication? Are you serious? That was clearly a direct jab at all the obsessive, nit-picking, overly anal "fans" who spent way too much time on web boards complaining about the low probability of there being any test kits on the plane. They weren't vindicating those that questioned. They were making fun of them :D. I thought it was the best line of the show, right up there with the "Don't you people wonder what all this stuff is for" and "You people have some trust issues" lines from Gale (also in the same vein).


ron

And don't forget one of the best lines from Locke, "We're going to have to watch that again!" :D

My computer keeps acting up. It keeps shifting me from the Lost thread to the Nielson ratings thread. :confused: :rolleyes:

I'm surprised no one has brought up the possibility of immaculate conception on this show. That was the first thing I though of.

Another Shmi Skywalker plot! Mitichlorians on the island!
It thought about that but then remembered after the back plane and mid-section groups merged, at the beginning of the next episode Jin came out of his tent, then Sun, then the camera panned over to Hurley who gave Jin the thumbs up -- so not quite immaculate conception. The Virgin Mary, and <gag>Shmi Skywalker</ungag> had not been with a man prior to their conception, but Sun obviously was. I know one could argue Jin was shooting blanks, but I can't tell you how many couples I know who have had infertility problems for years and then suddenly they conceive. And with Jin/Sun, it just fits with the theme of the island curing people.

Plus with Mary/Shmi, their sons were to be a savior, based in prophecy. According to Christian theology, Jesus was a fulfillment of prophecy. Obi Wan's teacher thought Anikan was a fulfillment of prophecy ("the chosen one"), but he wasn't (I guess Luke was the chosen one who brought balance to the force). So is Sun's child going to grow up and be the savior of Lost crew? Nah ... first, there's no prophecy. Second, the writers already said the show should last 5 years or so. And after 1.5 years we've only gone 60 some days on the Island, so Sun's child won't even be born when the show ends. :rolleyes:

It would be pretty weird if the nanobots are revealed in the last season and then we find out Sun's child was conceived by a nanobot, so the resulting child is the first ever human robot. Remember ... you heard it here first, folks! :D I guess that would make LOST an iRobot meets Star Wars. :rolleyes:

It would be pretty weird if the nanobots are revealed in the last season and then we find out Sun's child was conceived by a nanobot, so the resulting child is the first ever human robot. Remember ... you heard it here first, folks!You obviously don't watch Battlestar Galactica ;)

:eek:

My computer keeps acting up. It keeps shifting me from the Lost thread to the Nielson ratings thread. :confused: :rolleyes:
Okay, okay, I'm back on topic now...:o

When they were talking about Sun being pregnant? They were just showing us how Jin didn't understand what they were saying, it was jibberish to him...then when he makes up with Sun and she says almost everyone knows about her being pregnant he clicks on the meaning of the word "Daddy-o".

I know that was the point of that scene, however, why did they choose to use "backwards sounding" voice overs when they could have done something else? There's got to be something buried in there to get people going. That was a huge softball throw for someone to re-record and playback backwards.

I haven't seen anything since my post about it, so maybe it's nothing. :confused:

I know that was the point of that scene, however, why did they choose to use "backwards sounding" voice overs when they could have done something else? There's got to be something buried in there to get people going. That was a huge softball throw for someone to re-record and playback backwards.


It was Korean they were speaking. That's all. Somebody will have a translation posted somewhere, soon, I'm sure. Nothing to see here; move along.

We'll all be dead and buried by then at the rate new eps come out.

It'll also be interesting when Walt returns, and he's 27 years old, even though they have only supposedly been on the island 6 months.

No one seems to have a problem with "24" taking 6 months to cover one day. Lost moves faster than that.

So now that I've hit the BIG 50... :eek: and I have more disposable income then ever before... my opinions don't matter? :p



Not too much out there I watch these days... but who cares what a 50-year-old with a six-figure income thinks... hello advertisers!




You know, this is the second time in two days you've mentioned your income. Good luck with that.

I actually believe that Jin is the father of the baby, but according to some timelines conception would've needed to take place shortly after they got on the island. Do you guys remember an awkward connection between Michael and Sun in season 1? There seemed to be at least a mutual curiosity in each other and he did see her naked if I remember correctly. I don't really think Michael and Sun hooked up, but it's something to consider.

One producer in a very recent podcast said that the baby would be bilingual. Oblique as ever, since the mother is bilingual already.

I know that was the point of that scene, however, why did they choose to use "backwards sounding" voice overs when they could have done something else? There's got to be something buried in there to get people going. That was a huge softball throw for someone to re-record and playback backwards.

I haven't seen anything since my post about it, so maybe it's nothing. :confused:

when Jin and Sun speak together, and you don't understand, they don't have to play it backwards to confuse you (unless, or course, you speak Korean). For you to get the same empathetic feeling for Jin, they can't continue speaking English. It has to sound opaque, and running it backwards is as good a technique as any other.

It was Korean they were speaking. That's all. Somebody will have a translation posted somewhere, soon, I'm sure. Nothing to see here; move along.


No, it wasn't Korean. Here is the clip when reversed, just the conversation continuing. Alot of nothing.

http://media.putfile.com/thewholetruthconvo

Someone at the Fuselage site also reversed the clip and thought it went like this:


Sawyer: Bernie...Can you believe the idiots who over analyze this show to death?

Bernard: I know. Some idiot right now is probably loading this snippet of dialog into Adobe Audition right now and reversing it!!

Sawyer: Man...They do have alot of time on their hands, don't they?

Bernard: This poor sap has no idea his hot Korean wife's got a bun in the oven.

Sawyer: That reminds me...I saw Hurley eaten a bun today! I'm gonna go beat his fat ***.

You know, this is the second time in two days you've mentioned your income. Good luck with that.Which most likely is the same as many other Forum participants and was mentioned in the context that being 50 with money to spend should be important to advertisers. Jealous?

Someone at the Fuselage site also reversed the clip and thought it went like this:Bernard: I know. Some idiot right now is probably loading this snippet of dialog into Adobe Audition right now and reversing it!!Paul is dead.

Ana Lucia: Jack and Locke are having problems with Locke and Jack

Henry: Aren't you guys curious about all this?

During season 1... Rousseau said people had "changed..." something is going to "change" with Jack, Locke or both.

Which most likely is the same as many other Forum participants and was mentioned in the context that being 50 with money to spend should be important to advertisers. Jealous?

I'm too busy enjoying life to worry about my money. I just recognized the happiness it was bringing you, and thought I'd shout out a "good luck". I mean that, too.

Which most likely is the same as many other Forum participants and was mentioned in the context that being 50 with money to spend should be important to advertisers.
Its more about being 50 and less about the money. Chances are those who are in their 40's and over already have brand preferences. So no matter how much money they have, its not worth the advertising $$$ it would take to change their preferences.

Its more about being 50 and less about the money. Chances are those who are in their 40's and over already have brand preferences. So no matter how much money they have, its not worth the advertising $$$ it would take to change their preferences.

I'm certain on some subliminal level, the onslaught of ads gets thru, but mostly I don't even retain awareness of the products. To me, there are two types of commercials -- the funny ones (CareerBuilder's monkeys) and annoying ones (anything by Gillette). I make a point NOT to buy products with annoying ads, and the funny commercials are funny because of what happens, never because of the product, which I seldom remember. Guys walk around my office all the time saying "Big Boy!". That's funny! I still can't remember the product though.

At some point in the future, we should be able to opt out of commercials, and pay a fee to watch shows like Lost. I happily pay for satellite radio, because I hate screaming car salesmen. Remember back in the day when cable TV meant no commercials? DVR's are shifting the paradigm also. It's like I was saying before, I'd just as soon buy the DVD set, and give ABC my money that way. That is, after Blu-Ray.

Kate is HOT!

Agreed. That hug might've sold Jin, but her expression didn't sell me at all. We'll know in 6-8 months (episode time) if she's lying or not.

if her baby has a striking resemblance to Walt, we'll know we're Michael's been hiding :)

So now that I've hit the BIG 50... :eek: and I have more disposable income then ever before... my opinions don't matter? :pMaybe it has something to do with the number of guys that have hit 50 whose "disposable income" gets sucked out via their kids - LOL.

Funny that Locke calls the swan bunker his "hatch" when he hasn't gone through anything but the door for quite some time. I guess it's because he obsessed over that cover for so long before getting inside and he truly considers everything on the other side of it "his".

Is everybody else calling it a "hatch" also?

Kate is HOT!

Not that I want to bring the impressive intellectual level of the LOST thread down, but, forget Kate, why hasn't anyone been gushing about Sun in the last ep?? I mean, my goodness! That scene with her in the teddy 'bout had me doing a Bill Paxton post little blue pill (see 'Big Love' thread).....! That is one attractive oriental woman, I couldn't help noticing.. :cool:

Not that I want to bring the impressive intellectual level of the LOST thread down, but, forget Kate, why hasn't anyone been gushing about Sun in the last ep?? I mean, my goodness! That scene with her in the teddy 'bout had me doing a Bill Paxton post little blue pill (see 'Big Love' thread).....! That is one attractive oriental woman, I couldn't help noticing.. :cool:

Ugh...I hate myself for doing this, but okay.

Rated in order of my preference!

Shannon (legs!)
Claire (accent, petite blond)
Kate (smile, curls)
Ana Lucia (midget thumbs, Latina sass!)
Sun
Rose (peaceful, wise. Hey! It can't be ALL physical!)

Not that I want to bring the impressive intellectual level of the LOST thread down, but, forget Kate, why hasn't anyone been gushing about Sun in the last ep?? I mean, my goodness! That scene with her in the teddy 'bout had me doing a Bill Paxton post little blue pill (see 'Big Love' thread).....! That is one attractive oriental woman, I couldn't help noticing.. :cool:

Not even close here. Kate by a wide margin. Somebody post a poll!

Rose (peaceful, wise. Hey! It can't be ALL physical!)


YES IT CAN!!! If I had to chose, I would probably even pick Rousseau over Rose. Plus, you forgot AL. She is pretty good looking in a mean sort of way. I wouldn't mind helping her release some of that anger and tension. ;)

YES IT CAN!!! If I had to chose, I would probably even pick Rousseau over Rose. Plus, you forgot AL. She is pretty good looking in a mean sort of way. I wouldn't mind helping her release some of that anger and tension. ;)

She's there now! Rousseau -- chicks with rifles can be so hot!

Don't you think Rose is just a twist on The Oracle?

Libby's off just because I've seen her arrest photo.

Something I was thinking. Any way the Pregnancy Test could have been Sun's to begin with? Maybe she bought it in Australia if she had been with the English Teacher. Maybe she had missed her period before the crash, then after the crash, she was in DENIAL that she could be pregnant. Especially after seeing everything that's happened with Claire's baby. She could have stripped it out of her mind until she started feeling very sick on this episode. Now there can be no more DENIAL.

Something I was thinking. Any way the Pregnancy Test could have been Sun's to begin with? Maybe she bought it in Australia if she had been with the English Teacher. Maybe she had missed her period before the crash, then after the crash, she was in DENIAL that she could be pregnant. Especially after seeing everything that's happened with Claire's baby. She could have stripped it out of her mind until she started feeling very sick on this episode. Now there can be no more DENIAL.

My wife agrees with you. When Sun didn't reply to Kate's surprise about the availability of the test, she supposed it was Sun's already. The Widmore Labs label was also very strange. Even with the food, water, and other collected items, there has been no product placement that I'm aware of. Down with sponsors!

Plus with Mary/Shmi, their sons were to be a savior, based in prophecy. According to Christian theology, Jesus was a fulfillment of prophecy. Obi Wan's teacher thought Anikan was a fulfillment of prophecy ("the chosen one"), but he wasn't (I guess Luke was the chosen one who brought balance to the force).

Sorry this is off topic, but I had to reply as a huge Star Wars fan. Anakin Skywalker (as Vader) grabs the Emperor and tosses him down that tunnel where he dies. So it really was Anakin who brought balance to the force. Of course, the prophecy forgot to mention he would kill almost all the Jedi and be evil for about 25 years in the process. Always read the fine print, I guess.

Now Back On Topic :D

I think Sun was telling the truth. As an earlier poster said, if she had an affair with someone else it would be stupid to tell Jin that he was the one that is infertile. If Jin thinks Sun is infertile, of course he would call her being pregnant a miracle. If he knows that he is infertile, then Sun doesn't know if Jin will think it is a miracle or if Sun is a tramp.

A thought about Henry Gale. Given the capabilities that we have seen from the Others (i.e. Ethan having incredible strength, etc), I would think that Henry (if he really is an Other) could manage to escape from two Losties (even Jack and Locke) if they let him out like they did. My take is that he is either not an Other (less likely) or he is an Other and wants to be a captive for the time being (more likely). Like everyone has said, Henry is really playing off of everyone's personalities and backgrounds. I say he is an Other that didn't get caught by accident, is allowing the Losties to keep him captive for the time being for some specific purpose. Maybe it is subversive. Maybe like another person pointed out, he is allowing some of them to face some issues they are dealing with. Perhaps that Others are watching from a distance and have a plan in mind for them. The group is not moving in the direction that the Others want, so Henry gets in there to move thigns along. How else could he accomplish this? The Others can't have someone to pretend to have been on the plane and be part of the group. Everyone knows each other at this point. And they aren't going to trust anyone that just walks into camp out of nowhere. So they chose to have Henry go in and look like he got caught by accident. He is using the time he has while they decide whether or not he is an Other to acomplish his mission. And I think he will be able to break out (or someone will come get him out) when an opportunity arises.

Sorry this is off topic, but I had to reply as a huge Star Wars fan. Anakin Skywalker (as Vader) grabs the Emperor and tosses him down that tunnel where he dies. So it really was Anakin who brought balance to the force. Of course, the prophecy forgot to mention he would kill almost all the Jedi and be evil for about 25 years in the process. Always read the fine print, I guess.

Geez what part of NO SPOILERS don't you people understand!!!

J/K ;)

Geez what part of NO SPOILERS don't you people understand!!!

J/K ;)



Well, in that case......................Bruce Willis was really a ghost; Brad Pitt was really Ed Norton's split personality; The roommate, roommate's niece, and Ed Harris weren't real.

Ugh...I hate myself for doing this, but okay.

Join the club.

... I say he is an Other that didn't get caught by accident, is allowing the Losties to keep him captive for the time being for some specific purpose. ...

I agree with a lot of your premise but I cannot get past the circumstances of his being "caught". Rousseau found him in the net. Even if he somehow placed himself there or had help doing that, what was to guarantee she would turn him over to the Losties for the rest of his plan to play out? Rousseau could have shot him then and there.

[QUOTE=Quinocampa]Ana Lucia (midget thumbs, Latina sass!)
QUOTE]

What are midget thumbs?

No one seems to have a problem with "24" taking 6 months to cover one day. Lost moves faster than that.You obviously missed my point. It takes a lot longer to cover ground when a new episode gets aired once a month if you're lucky.

As far as wether or not Henry is an other, has the French woman been wrong yet?

She's there now! Rousseau -- chicks with rifles can be so hot!

Don't you think Rose is just a twist on The Oracle?

Libby's off just because I've seen her arrest photo.


I think you're onto something with Rose being a twist on the Oracle. Now that you mention it, Ethan is sort of a twist on Agent Smith who now takes the form of the guy in the hatch. "What they were led to a open area where they could be easily ambushed". Gotta love his delivery of that line.

Libby's a little cutie now. Don't dismiss her just b/c you saw how she looked after a drunken night at 2am. ;) Once again for those who were unable to make the lecture, at 10pm a '2' is a '2' but at 2am a '2' becomes a '10'. Let that be a lesson for us all. :)

Anna does need to release some of that tension. From what I've read and heard about Michelle Rodriguez, she is the 'right' person to play AL. I think it was you who mentioned her "sass", well for it is all about her a*s. No sass needed. Maybe Jack can help her relieve that tension by taping into her *ss not her sass. Just a thought.

Sun did look good last night, but why do I get the feeling that when the baby comes out, Jin will wonder if Michael was putting the 'pork' to his wifey. I don't maybe it's me.

I was wondering when you'd pipe up! :D

We guys discussing the likelyhood of Saywer having an EPT, along with the other speculations regarding pregnancy and women's health issues was beginning to make me cringe (e.g., "symptoms" of pregnancy, as if it were a disease :eek: )

I was way behind and had to read through everything first... I was sure somebody else would mention that packing a pregnancy test was not unbelievable at all, given that you couldn't take it until a certain time, but, okay, obviously a girl thing.

Here's another reason (besides believing her) that I don't think it was Sun's -- if it was, it would be branded and labelled in Korean, wouldn't it? I mean, I've bought stuff on vacation in Mexico, Europe and elsewhere, and even if the brands are American, the labelling is always in the language of the country where it's sold. This has to be especially true for medical stuff, where reading the directions is kinda important.

You obviously missed my point. It takes a lot longer to cover ground when a new episode gets aired once a month if you're lucky.


Yeah, just look at Gilmore Girls. I haven't seen a new episode of Gilmore Girls in a month. I think that only 3 new eps of GGs have been shown since Jan. Same thing with Lost.

Sorry this is off topic, but I had to reply as a huge Star Wars fan. Anakin Skywalker (as Vader) grabs the Emperor and tosses him down that tunnel where he dies. So it really was Anakin who brought balance to the force. Of course, the prophecy forgot to mention he would kill almost all the Jedi and be evil for about 25 years in the process. Always read the fine print, I guess.

I so don't want to get us too side-tracked here, but Anakin "brought balance to the Force" by killing most the Jedi. Before Anakin, there was a great imbalance in the Force in that there were a lot of Jedi and only 2 Sith. After Anakin went to the Dark Side and killed most of the Jedi, now there were only 2 Jedi left (Obi-Wan and Yoda) and 2 Sith (Vader and Palpatine). It was the Jedi's arrogance in believing that "balance to the Force" meant "Jedi rule forever" that brought about their downfall.

[QUOTE=Quinocampa]Ana Lucia (midget thumbs, Latina sass!)
QUOTE]

What are midget thumbs?

Just wrong... in so many ways.

Here's another reason (besides believing her) that I don't think it was Sun's -- if it was, it would be branded and labelled in Korean, wouldn't it? I mean, I've bought stuff on vacation in Mexico, Europe and elsewhere, and even if the brands are American, the labelling is always in the language of the country where it's sold. This has to be especially true for medical stuff, where reading the directions is kinda important.

And that, gentlemen, is why I let my wife tell me what to do. They're always thinking! :D

Ana Lucia (midget thumbs, Latina sass!)


What are midget thumbs?

Search this thread, then read a few posts above my post. I don't want to spoil it for you.

Not that I want to bring the impressive intellectual level of the LOST thread down, but, forget Kate, why hasn't anyone been gushing about Sun in the last ep?? I mean, my goodness! That scene with her in the teddy 'bout had me doing a Bill Paxton post little blue pill (see 'Big Love' thread).....! That is one attractive oriental woman, I couldn't help noticing.. :cool:
You are not alone broham, The scene on the beach with Kate and Sun waiting on the results had me wishing to be in a SUN KATE sandwich.

You are not alone broham, The scene on the beach with Kate and Sun waiting on the results had me wishing to be in a SUN KATE sandwich.

Nothing sexier than a submissive woman who gardens.

No reason Sun couldn't have picked up the pregnancy test in Australia where it quite likely wouldn't have had Korean on it.

Speaking of Libby, why didn't they have her go in with Gale? I'd think a shrink might be bringing something to the table when trying to see if someone is lying.

Also, when Gale came out wondering why Jack and Locke weren't asking questions, I'm sure that was for the benefit of we the audience more than something a guy in his position would really say. How did he know that just because they don't know the answers to the two or three questions he came up automatically meant they haven't been "asking" the questions themselves. As frustrating as it might be to us that they (we) don't know the answers, it came across to me as a pretty presumptious conjecture on his part.

Speaking of Libby, why didn't they have her go in with Gale? I'd think a shrink might be bringing something to the table when trying to see if someone is lying.



She's a clinical psychologist, but yeah. ;)

No reason Sun couldn't have picked up the pregnancy test in Australia where it quite likely wouldn't have had Korean on it.

Yeah, but then it would have had Australian on it ;) :D


Also, when Gale came out wondering why Jack and Locke weren't asking questions, I'm sure that was for the benefit of we the audience more than something a guy in his position would really say.

There's no question that's what it was. The writers were just poking some fun at the audience like they have at various times all along since the beginning. It's one of the reasons I like LOST really. It's almost like interactive TV in a small way. They don't seem to take the show quite as seriously as some of it's fans do. I really think they have kind of been a bit blown away by the type of detailed analysis that has occurred.


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As far as wether or not Henry is an other, has the French woman been wrong yet?
I think the question is, Has she ever been right? :rolleyes: In season 1 she saw the black smoke and thought the others were coming for Aaron so she took Aaron in exchange for her child. The Others didn't come for Aaron. She also thought Sayid was an Other. That's just off the top of my head. And she's not even a regular on the show.


I so don't want to get us too side-tracked here, but Anakin "brought balance to the Force" by killing most the Jedi.
Interesting interpretations of the Star Wars prophecy. I've never really followed up on that. But that's one of the things about prophecy in general -- it is always open to differences in interpretation. Like with Jesus, Jews don't believe him to be a fulfillment of messianic prophecy.

No reason Sun couldn't have picked up the pregnancy test in Australia where it quite likely wouldn't have had Korean on it.

I can't remember at the moment, but were Sun and Jin actually spending time in Australia? Or just connecting there? If it's the latter, I doubt she'd have bought it there, and if she had, I doubt it would be in checked luggage.

The main reason I don't think it's Sun's is that I believe her, but assuming it was hers, why would she have totally forgotten about it for two months? It just doesn't make sense to me that she has been pregnant for that long. If you think you're pregnant to the extent that you go and buy a test, it's not something you just put aside for a couple of months. Under the circumstances, I could understand a couple of weeks, but not two months.

The cereal box says
"DI 9FFTR731"
And "DHARMA" underneath it

no idea what the hell that means


Same number on the Dharma Stuff in the pantry. Sorry no picture. Like Acme.

I can't remember at the moment, but were Sun and Jin actually spending time in Australia? Or just connecting there? If it's the latter, I doubt she'd have bought it there, and if she had, I doubt it would be in checked luggage.

The main reason I don't think it's Sun's is that I believe her, but assuming it was hers, why would she have totally forgotten about it for two months? It just doesn't make sense to me that she has been pregnant for that long. If you think you're pregnant to the extent that you go and buy a test, it's not something you just put aside for a couple of months. Under the circumstances, I could understand a couple of weeks, but not two months.Well, there was the small matter of a PLANE CRASH that probably sidetracked that thought for a while, and regardless whether it was in checked luggage or carryon, if she had an EPT with her on the plane, it would have been "shifted" by that bit of turbulence.

Besides, it seems by their wardrobes that everyone has found their checked luggage, so Sawyer wouldn't necessarily have had an opportunity to scrounge it from Sun's luggage. He got it either from the luggage of a non-survivor or from the carry-on stuff.

I happen to agree that she's not lying, but your arguments don't necessarily support the point all that well, IMHO.

I can't remember at the moment, but were Sun and Jin actually spending time in Australia? Or just connecting there? If it's the latter, I doubt she'd have bought it there, and if she had, I doubt it would be in checked luggage.

The main reason I don't think it's Sun's is that I believe her, but assuming it was hers, why would she have totally forgotten about it for two months? It just doesn't make sense to me that she has been pregnant for that long. If you think you're pregnant to the extent that you go and buy a test, it's not something you just put aside for a couple of months. Under the circumstances, I could understand a couple of weeks, but not two months.
I don't think it was Sun's. There's no indication she thought she may have been pregnant prior to experiencing symptoms. She went to Sawyer to see if he, by chance, had any pregnancy tests...

Not that I want to bring the impressive intellectual level of the LOST thread down, but, forget Kate, why hasn't anyone been gushing about Sun in the last ep?? I mean, my goodness! That scene with her in the teddy 'bout had me doing a Bill Paxton post little blue pill (see 'Big Love' thread).....! That is one attractive oriental woman, I couldn't help noticing.. :cool:What are you kidding? What about Ana Lucia? When do we get an underwear shot of that? And now that the "angel-faced" Claire isn't preggo anymore... she's fair game too! :D

Well, there was the small matter of a PLANE CRASH that probably sidetracked that thought for a while, and regardless whether it was in checked luggage or carryon, if she had an EPT with her on the plane, it would have been "shifted" by that bit of turbulence.

I happen to agree that she's not lying, but your arguments don't necessarily support the point all that well, IMHO.

You make it sound like Whitearrow was saying Sun had been looking for the test the entire time on the island, but couldn't find it. You also make it sound like enduring a plane crash is intense enough to cause Sun to forget that she might be pregnant for a couple months. Her arguments DO support her point. Her point is that Sun got pregnant on the island, recently, and that the test is not hers. Recent impregnation is supported by the absence of any awareness of symptoms or concerned behavior. That the test isn't hers is something you both agree on, it appears.

The most relevant point is that Sun is pregnant. The somewhat less relevant point is who might the father be. The not-at-all-relevant point is whose test it was originally.

All these people survive a plane crash... Locke gets up and out of his wheel chair... and now Jin-Soo gets Sun pregnant... why is anyone surprised?

I really think they have kind of been a bit blown away by the type of detailed analysis that has occurred.


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You have to picture the writers all sitting in a room scratching their heads while trying to come up with something half as good as people have theorized on the net. And they are watching the episodes again to see all the subtle details (the ones that really meant nothing) that we have poured over to figure out how use them in the script later. I sure hope they have been as meticulous with the details as we give them credit for. Otherwise, the show won't be as fun and Quino would have been right all along. We can't have either of those happening. :D


BTW Josh Z - I never thought of "balance to the force" in that way. Interesting perspective.

About the Sun having ever been with another man thing and the question over who is the father... Jin is probably the father... but that doesn't mean that Sun has never been with another man. She told him that with confidence because she knew Jin had to be the father, because she knew he was the only man who could have concieved it. The look hinted that she was lying about never having been with another man, but the fact that she told him the secret about his infertility would only hint that she knew he had to be the father. If she had been cheating on him with someone on the island who could have been the father, she never would have told him that.

And besides, there are polar bears on this island. There is a loud, tree thrashing black pilot devouring cloud that downloads peoples memories or something. People see dead relatives, and horses identical to ones they've seen before. People who couldn't walk suddenly can. People find their dead brother's bodies on a completely random spot on the globe, which has worse odds than winning the lottery, which has better odds than winning the lottery then finding yourself on island later having to punch your lottery winning numbers in a computer to save the world. Jin being infertile and fathering a child? That's nothing.

Ok, I gotta ask cause I found it a little harsh, the last episode, did anyone else feel just a wee bit sorry for ol Bernard.? Man o chevits, the poor bastard is in the friggin doghouse cause he forget it was his anniversary!!
I don't get it, I mean the guy has been thru complete hell the last couple months..... and the wife is beaten on his sorry behind cause he didn't remember it was his anniversary, let alone what day of the week it was. Outside of a couple of the survivors who might have owned watches with dates on it, or the few who have hatch detail, would any regular joe blow on the island know the day and month? I had to laugh a little at that........guys just don't have a chance. Maybe he should have asked Saywer, aka Sanford & Son, if he could get him a datebook or calendar .....after all he had a preggers kit.

You have to picture the writers all sitting in a room scratching their heads while trying to come up with something half as good as people have theorized on the net. And they are watching the episodes again to see all the subtle details (the ones that really meant nothing) that we have poured over to figure out how use them in the script later. I sure hope they have been as meticulous with the details as we give them credit for. Otherwise, the show won't be as fun and Quino would have been right all along. We can't have either of those happening. :DRight, but we should get a cut of the royalties for all the great ideas we provide them. :D

I'll settle for a kiss from Kate! :)

Ok, I gotta ask cause I found it a little harsh, the last episode, did anyone else feel just a wee bit sorry for ol Bernard.? Man o chevits, the poor bastard is in the friggin doghouse cause he forget it was his anniversary!!
I don't get it, I mean the guy has been thru complete hell the last couple months..... and the wife is beaten on his sorry behind cause he didn't remember it was his anniversary, let alone what day of the week it was. Outside of a couple of the survivors who might have owned watches with dates on it, or the few who have hatch detail, would any regular joe blow on the island know the day and month? I had to laugh a little at that........guys just don't have a chance. Maybe he should have asked Saywer, aka Sanford & Son, if he could get him a datebook or calendar .....after all he had a preggers kit.

Or maybe Sawyer could have had Charlie bag her, gag her and drag her away. Think she'd have been a bit more appreciative of her man then? :) I thought the same thing btw. Give the guy a break for chrissakes!

What are you kidding? What about Ana Lucia? When do we get an underwear shot of that? And now that the "angel-faced" Claire isn't preggo anymore... she's fair game too! :D

The only "shot" of Ana Lucia I want to see is the bullet piercing her skull. God I hate her - and not just the character. Her presence is very indicative of what's happened to the show this season.

The only "shot" of Ana Lucia I want to see is the bullet piercing her skull. God I hate her - and not just the character. Her presence is very indicative of what's happened to the show this season.Oh c'mon now... she's young a worthy of rehabilitation.

Aren’t some of the survivors supposed to "turn bad?"

Ok, I gotta ask cause I found it a little harsh, the last episode, did anyone else feel just a wee bit sorry for ol Bernard.? Man o chevits, the poor bastard is in the friggin doghouse cause he forget it was his anniversary!!
I don't get it, I mean the guy has been thru complete hell the last couple months..... and the wife is beaten on his sorry behind cause he didn't remember it was his anniversary, let alone what day of the week it was. Outside of a couple of the survivors who might have owned watches with dates on it, or the few who have hatch detail, would any regular joe blow on the island know the day and month? I had to laugh a little at that........guys just don't have a chance. Maybe he should have asked Saywer, aka Sanford & Son, if he could get him a datebook or calendar .....after all he had a preggers kit.

Didn't take her long to start raggin' on his a**, did it?

Didn't take her long to start raggin' on his a**, did it?

Next she'll be bugging him about fixing the leaky thatched roof or the palm tree that's been creaking for weeks - and would it kill him to pick up his socks off the beach? ;)

Otherwise, the show won't be as fun and Quino would have been right all along. We can't have either of those happening. :D


KenH! He's trolling!! Waaahh... ;)

Hey, I'm just trying to not get too far ahead of the facts. In my opinion, the evidence should support the theory. For example, I challenge anyone to propose a theory for how Jack's life is puppeteered by Dharma to put him on that plane. Please include the orchestration for his dad fleeing the country, meeting Sawyer on a binging walkabout so that Sawyer could mention it later, killing himself in a place where he can be found by Jack (who he doesn't even know is reluctantly being talked into traveling to find him by his mother), not too easily but just in time to make the flight where all the rest of our crew has been funneled, AND the desparate negotiation with the counter clerk to put the casket on the plane so that his dad can get up and walk around later on the island.

If you can propose a plausible theory for that, then we can move on to Hurley.

Good luck!

<evil grin>

Right, but we should get a cut of the royalties for all the great ideas we provide them. :D


SEE!! That's THREE times you've talked about your money this week!

Hahaha... :p

KenH! He's trolling!! Waaahh... ;)

Hey, I'm just trying to not get too far ahead of the facts. In my opinion, the evidence should support the theory. For example, I challenge anyone to propose a theory for how Jack's life is puppeteered by Dharma to put him on that plane. Please include the orchestration for his dad fleeing the country, meeting Sawyer on a binging walkabout so that Sawyer could mention it later, killing himself in a place where he can be found by Jack (who he doesn't even know is reluctantly being talked into traveling to find him by his mother), not too easily but just in time to make the flight where all the rest of our crew has been funneled, AND the desparate negotiation with the counter clerk to put the casket on the plane so that his dad can get up and walk around later on the island.

If you can propose a plausible theory for that, then we can move on to Hurley.

Good luck!

<evil grin>

Your assumption is that all of these events were orchestrated as far back as the backstories go in time. It is just as possible that the selection process occurred in Sydney because they had past connections or interactions. Then the only hurdle is how to get them all on the same flight leaving Sydney.

Still a tough hurdle to overcome.

The only "shot" of Ana Lucia I want to see is the bullet piercing her skull. God I hate her - and not just the character. Her presence is very indicative of what's happened to the show this season.

Wow! Subtle. Please expound upon your last sentence. Although I agree Ana is coarse, I like the character's complexity. I liked how they correlated her behavioral issues to her relationship with her mother and how her shooting and loss of her baby affected later decisions. You'll recall how protective she was of the two children who crashed in the tail. She was clever, protective, resourceful, and downright badass when she killed The Other in the hills. She broke down and cried in Ecko's arms, and confessed sadly to her concern for her relationship with the rest of the survivors after apologizing again to Sayid.

Ana Lucia is one of the most richly drawn and emotionally complex characters on the island. While she IS harsh, she knows it and wants to connect better. No one can say she doesn't care though. She's proved it often enough, even if in somewhat flawed ways.

Plus she's got those midget's thumbs!

Your assumption is that all of these events were orchestrated as far back as the backstories go in time. It is just as possible that the selection process occurred in Sydney because they had past connections or interactions. Then the only hurdle is how to get them all on the same flight leaving Sydney.

Still a tough hurdle to overcome.

Okay, because they had past connections -- how were these connections perceived and matrixed?

I have been an avid reader of Stephen King for years -- an acknowledged inspiration of the writers'. It, The Stand, and The Dark Tower all deal with multiple characters drawn together to fight a grave and gathering danger. However, the drawing is fateful, not physical. To me, the connections are in LOST as a visual way to indicate that it is not just any survivors that must fight the island's evil, but THESE survivors, drawn by fate. To postulate that their freewilled lives are physically directed in any way, at any time is, at the mildest, cumbersome.

Ok, I gotta ask cause I found it a little harsh, the last episode, did anyone else feel just a wee bit sorry for ol Bernard.? Man o chevits, the poor bastard is in the friggin doghouse cause he forget it was his anniversary!!
I don't get it, I mean the guy has been thru complete hell the last couple months..... and the wife is beaten on his sorry behind cause he didn't remember it was his anniversary, let alone what day of the week it was. Outside of a couple of the survivors who might have owned watches with dates on it, or the few who have hatch detail, would any regular joe blow on the island know the day and month? I had to laugh a little at that........guys just don't have a chance. Maybe he should have asked Saywer, aka Sanford & Son, if he could get him a datebook or calendar .....after all he had a preggers kit.

I take it you aren't married? Women have high standards when it comes to remembering dates.

I can see it now. Lazarus saying to Mrs. Lazarus "But I was DEAD I tell you. Dead. That's why I didn't get you a birthday card." And she still isn't buying it.

Next she'll be bugging him about fixing the leaky thatched roof or the palm tree that's been creaking for weeks - and would it kill him to pick up his socks off the beach? ;)

Remember how Rose was the calmest of any of the crash victims? She was neither materialistic for her losses nor fearful of her future. She cared only for her husband, and was filled with faith that he was safe. Her peace was grounded in knowing they would be reunited (and it feeeels so gooood...). So here comes Bernard, that bumbling scatterbrain of a man, forgetting the anniversary. She wasn't shrill either, just calm and confident of his transgression. Bernard panicked in the way that we all have, at one time or another, when our cozy bed is threatened. It is classic man vs. woman comedy.

Plus she's got those midget's thumbs!
OK, I'll admit I went back to look. :o

What scene or minute? She is wearing a black shirt which hides things like that.

Okay, because they had past connections -- how were these connections perceived and matrixed?

I have been an avid reader of Stephen King for years -- an acknowledged inspiration of the writers'. It, The Stand, and The Dark Tower all deal with multiple characters drawn together to fight a grave and gathering danger. However, the drawing is fateful, not physical. To me, the connections are in LOST as a visual way to indicate that it is not just any survivors that must fight the island's evil, but THESE survivors, drawn by fate. To postulate that their freewilled lives are physically directed in any way, at any time is, at the mildest, cumbersome.
Perhaps they're pulling a Deep Space 9 on us with likes of Odo and the changlings. At one point, a bunch of baby changlings were sent out into space to be found by anybody who happened upon them. The idea was, any of them that survived and grew up would eventually return to the link and provide information to the rest of the population about the other species.

Obviously it's a strain to think these folks are changlings, but do we know the circumstances of their conception or birth? Perhaps we have a bunch of programmed fertility children engineered by Dharma for some purpose. They're DNA is encoded in such a way that they are naturally drawn to one another, thus the little meetings along the way. The big one comes when they are all in Australia and all compelled to be on that flight. Jack fights like mad to get abord, Hurley overcomes latness and a broken down vehicle to get there, Locke has to be carried aboard, etc.

As far as getting everyone there in the first place:

Jack - his father's death wasn't an accident at all (especially since we haven't seen it yet)

Hurley - was Leonard really crazy - or was he crazy about his job at Dharma?

Locke - All he needed was enough people telling him what he can't do along with a suggestive sell on a walkabout tour.

Sawyer - Who was the real Sawyer? He sure got our Sawyer to go to Australia.

Walt, Michael, Claire and Aaron - Walt and the baby are the focal points. Walt is the perfected breed raised by his lawyer by day, Dharma agent by night mother. He's with her right now because she was never dead at all. Aaron is important because he's the first child from one of the members of the group. Michael is irrelevant to the work and merely a means to get Walt on the plane. However, he may be the one that saves them all....

I'm sure other members of the group could be tied together this way (I'm too lazy to refresh myself on all the backstories). It's an odd and bizarre theory, but so is the show...

You have to picture the writers all sitting in a room scratching their heads while trying to come up with something half as good as people have theorized on the net. And they are watching the episodes again to see all the subtle details (the ones that really meant nothing) that we have poured over to figure out how use them in the script later. I sure hope they have been as meticulous with the details as we give them credit for. Otherwise, the show won't be as fun and Quino would have been right all along. We can't have either of those happening. :D Right, but we should get a cut of the royalties for all the great ideas we provide them. :D

I'll settle for a kiss from Kate! :)SEE!! That's THREE times you've talked about your money this week!
Hahaha... :pDude... I'll try to explain #14150 to you. I'm not getting any royalties, I tried to kid around about this Forum’s ideas which might contribute to the story line and our continuing hypothesis regarding the premis of the "Network" TV show Lost. We won't receive any monetary compensation from the Producers of the show and I'll settle for a kiss from Kate instead. Sorry if you don’t like my post.

doesn’t a :D clue you in?

OK, I'll admit I went back to look. :o

What scene or minute? She is wearing a black shirt which hides things like that.

Oh, you could see alright!

Dude... I'll try to explain #14150 to you. I'm not getting any royalties, I tried to kid around about this Forum’s ideas which might contribute to the story line and our continuing hypothesis regarding the premis of the "Network" TV show Lost. We won't receive any monetary compensation from the Producers of the show and I'll settle for a kiss from Kate instead. Sorry if you don’t like my post.

doesn’t a :D clue you in?

C'mon Optivity. I've been pulling your leg. I had a girlfriend-for-a-weekend once, a Colombian, and she said all we Americans think about is money. I was shocked that we might be perceived that way outside these borders (I'll admit, I was young enough to be that naive). However, that innocuous comment has stuck with me for 10 years. It's not a stretch to say our society is greedy. Call it a pet peeve of mine, but talk about having and making money is crass. Talk about what money has gotten you isn't quite so bad in the right context. I joined AVS after I bought my NEC 50" plasma. I got it for 10 reasons other than that I had the money (actually, I probably didn't have the money). I apologize for teasing you. You're probably not obsessed with cash. Hehehe...

One thing I love about LOST is that there is no money, and no one has used wealth to assert themselves. Hurley's the richest of our group, it doesn't even matter, and no one believes him. Further, he chose to keep it to himself. Now, people can be judged on what matters most -- the quality of their relationships with one another. Except for Michael's outburst about Koreans and "people like him", there has been a welcomed equality on the island. Nothing external or superficial creates much conflict, but rather it is their own charisma and values that set their caste.

I had a girlfriend for a weekend once.....

That beats what I would have guessed by a day and a half. :D

That beats what I would have guessed by a day and a half. :D

I see you're from Charlotte, NC -- you must know I don't have a sister. I'll bet Shannon and Boone's love scene was your favorite. :D

I see you're from Charlotte, NC -- you must know I don't have a sister.

Why, do all people in Charlotte know you have no sister? Are you saying if you had a sister, a long-term relationship would be more likely? :confused:

I had a girlfriend-for-a-weekend once, a Colombian, and she said all we Americans think about is money...I'mmmm........not even gonna touch that one.

I'mmmm........not even gonna touch that one.

Titillating, isn't it?

What are the weekend rates on those Colombian girls, by the way? Just out of curiosity... :D

What are the weekend rates on those Colombian girls, by the way? Just out of curiosity... :D


Somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 a kilo. :D


Quino, that was a nastey stab at CPanther. Here in Southern Indiana we always make those jokes about Kentuckians. Besides you know how those women from the Carolinas act. Just look at their cheerleaders. :p

Everyone makes those jokes about whoever is south of them. ;)

What? You are saying that the farthur south you live, the more likely to know that Quinocampa has no sister?

I didn't.

- Tom (in Jax)

One thing I love about LOST is that there is no money, and no one has used wealth to assert themselves. Hurley's the richest of our group, it doesn't even matter, and no one believes him. Further, he chose to keep it to himself. Now, people can be judged on what matters most -- the quality of their relationships with one another. Except for Michael's outburst about Koreans and "people like him", there has been a welcomed equality on the island. Nothing external or superficial creates much conflict, but rather it is their own charisma and values that set their caste.I'm not sure but Sawyer with his guns and Charlie with his drugs could give Hurley "a run for his money" (http://www.idioms.myjewelz.com/id28.htm). :D

Quino, that was a nastey stab at CPanther. Here in Southern Indiana we always make those jokes about Kentuckians. Besides you know how those women from the Carolinas act. Just look at their cheerleaders. :p

My three thoughts yesterday:
"Durned that troll!"
"Wow, I really did set myself up for that!"
"Oh no...be vewy vewy quiet, KenH may be listening..."

I figured I'd wake up this morning and the whole exchange would be gone! If I can tease Optivity, Mr. 95 can tease me. I couldn't think of a NASCAR joke quick enough.

As far as the Colombian...Aaah, the indiscretions of youth...

My favorite feature from SI.com this past fall was the cheerleader series, both college and pro. I do know the belles are without peer, except maybe for SoCal.

I'm not sure but Sawyer with his guns and Charlie with his drugs could give Hurley "a run for his money" (http://www.idioms.myjewelz.com/id28.htm). :D

Yeah, and I wonder what Sawyer did with that boatload of cash from The Big Con?

Thanks for being a good sport.

Has any kind gent out there recorded the first 6 episodes of Season 2 in HD? Anyone? Anyone at all? I have 7 on up, but obviously cannot begin to watch Season 2 until I see 1 - 6. :(

Everyone makes those jokes about whoever is south of them. ;)

Well.........................

I'm from Mass, and that's what New Englanders say about Canadians, and Canada is to the North.............

Another Dharma video has been released. This one is clearly fabricated.

http://www.thetailsection.com/procedure.swf

Another Dharma video has been released. This one is clearly fabricated.

http://www.thetailsection.com/procedure.swf

Nevermind.

Another Dharma video has been released. This one is clearly fabricated.

http://www.thetailsection.com/procedure.swf

Why do you believe it is clearly fabricated? Most of the other site content appears to be accurate.

Also on that site are some spoiler/preview photos of the next 3 episodes. One of the burning unanswered questions in MY mind, at least, was whether or not we'd get any backstory on Rose and her absent-minded husband. Apparently, we will be!

There is another quite persuasive synopsis of this week's episode, Lockdown. Where do they get this spoiler stuff? Sounded very accurate, and I'm somewhat miffed that I read it.

Has any kind gent out there recorded the first 6 episodes of Season 2 in HD? Anyone? Anyone at all? I have 7 on up, but obviously cannot begin to watch Season 2 until I see 1 - 6. :(

Being stuck in the pre-DVR era at the moment, I'm not clear how someone else's possession of this content would help you. Are there other ways to capture the show in HD that can be shared with another?

Are you unwilling to watch the ITunes versions?

Well.........................

I'm from Mass, and that's what New Englanders say about Canadians, and Canada is to the North.............

There's always exceptions. In fact, I say it about my brother-in-law's area and he lives in Lincoln University, PA - far North of me. ;)

Why do you believe it is clearly fabricated? Most of the other site content appears to be accurate.

Also on that site are some spoiler/preview photos of the next 3 episodes. One of the burning unanswered questions in MY mind, at least, was whether or not we'd get any backstory on Rose and her absent-minded husband. Apparently, we will be!

There is another quite persuasive synopsis of this week's episode, Lockdown. Where do they get this spoiler stuff? Sounded very accurate, and I'm somewhat miffed that I read it.
Because it's not an ABC/Disney/Buena Vista run site. Anything that is legit for the show would have their "Terms of Use" link at the bottom of the main page.

Also, it was registered through GoDaddy.com. I'm pretty sure Disney doesn't use them for their domain registrations.

Being stuck in the pre-DVR era at the moment, I'm not clear how someone else's possession of this content would help you. Are there other ways to capture the show in HD that can be shared with another?

Are you unwilling to watch the ITunes versions?
ITunes? No way. #1, I don't have any kind of subscription and never will. The quality would be abysmal. I want to watch these in HD on my projector.

I don't want to go into details here about how someone can help me. Those who can help will know it.

ITunes? No way. #1, I don't have any kind of subscription and never will.
For the record, iTunes isn't a subscription service. It's a per-song (or video) service.

I went hunting around elsewhere on the web (sinning, as I call it) looking for confirmation of images Eko saw in his black mist confrontation. I found lots of stills. The smoke was indeed reflecting images from Eko's memory, typically ones filled with intense emotion. There was the first man he killed, a crucifix, Eko holding his just-shot brother, and others. I know other posters said it showed images, but what sorts was not mentioned. I can see that a fan of a show like this can definitely benefit from a DVR. Digging it up on the web is okay, but not as personally rewarding.

What does this say about the black mist? Explicitly, only that it can extract and reflect visual memories, and possibly that it focuses on specific types, mainly intense ones. The rest is conjecture.

There's always exceptions. In fact, I say it about my brother-in-law's area and he lives in Lincoln University, PA - far North of me. ;)

Good Grief - LU is right down the road from me, whats your bro-in-laws take on the delightful scent of mushroom compost.

Like to see a load of that turn up in the hatch, would give a new meaning to the black cloud! ;)

I really need to get a job that will let me move back north.

The biggest mystery on Lost to me is: Why don't they fix the artifacts on the opening LOST title?

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/975/losttitleartifacts23fj.jpg

The black dots in the seams on the S and a bit on the O show up when it comes into focus. I've seen this in some systems as a Z buffer problem. They could fix that with some simple rotoscoping. Reminds me of the Star Trek opening with the color bars bleeding through for a few seasons.

It's the nanobots.

The biggest mystery on Lost to me is: Why don't they fix the artifacts on the opening LOST title?

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/975/losttitleartifacts23fj.jpg

The black dots in the seams on the S and a bit on the O show up when it comes into focus. I've seen this in some systems as a Z buffer problem. They could fix that with some simple rotoscoping. Reminds me of the Star Trek opening with the color bars bleeding through for a few seasons.

I assumed it was supposed to look blurry the whole time it is shown on the screen to symbolize how blurry our overall knowledge is about what is happening on this island.

I don't think the letters ever come into focus, do they? If you zoom in on something that is intentially blurred, won't you see artifacts like that? Not an expert assertion here, but it makes sense to me.

I noticed it on my old Sony 27in, but I don't think I see it anymore on my Sony HDTV. In the commentary of the DVD's, one of the producers said he made the opening title on his laptop during shooting.

I assumed it was supposed to look blurry the whole time it is shown on the screen to symbolize how blurry our overall knowledge is about what is happening on this island.

I don't think the letters ever come into focus, do they?

It's out of focus until a brief second towards the end, when it hits correct focus, then slips out again as the title continues to move forward.

OK, I'll admit I went back to look. :o

What scene or minute? She is wearing a black shirt which hides things like that.

Someone please post a pic for the man!

The biggest mystery on Lost to me is: Why don't they fix the artifacts on the opening LOST title?

The black dots in the seams on the S and a bit on the O show up when it comes into focus. I've seen this in some systems as a Z buffer problem. They could fix that with some simple rotoscoping. Reminds me of the Star Trek opening with the color bars bleeding through for a few seasons.
This drives me batty every time I see it. As someone who has used a lot fo 3D software, I'd say those aren't artifacts. It looks like the front faces of the letters don't properly match up with the sides. Should be easy to fix. That's why I find it so annoying.

Maybe the artifacts are actually Morse Code. ;)

Maybe the artifacts are actually Morse Code. ;)
... or nanobots!!!!

What does this say about the black mist? Explicitly, only that it can extract and reflect visual memories, and possibly that it focuses on specific types, mainly intense ones. The rest is conjecture.I still don't believe it can read minds; it only made him (Eko) reflect on his past (as when one's life flashes before their eyes). Perhaps he thought he was about to die, though he didn't seem to show any fear.

I still don't believe it can read minds; it only made him (Eko) reflect on his past (as when one's life flashes before their eyes). Perhaps he thought he was about to die, though he didn't seem to show any fear.

I respect your skepticism, as I have been skeptical of many theories. Whether it has any bearing here is for you to decide, but traditional flash-before-their-eyes scenes occur like flashbacks, where we no longer see the character in the present, and the remembered sequences are moving, not still. In this case, the images were still (I believe), were immersed in the smoke, and were barely visible to any but the most motivated DVR users. It appeared that many of the image posters I reviewed had messed with their video settings to help clarify the images. My wife and I didn't see anything, nor did many other viewers. If the intent of the writers was to show us Eko reliving his past, they did a piss poor job of it. If they were obscuring subtle clues, which is consistent with the show's overall style, then they succeeded.

Hard to say what the intent of the writers is. It may simply be that the broadcast image contains exactly what is intended, but they haven't factored in that not every viewer has a properly calibrated display.

For example, remember the Dharma logo on the shark? Most people missed that until some pictures with enhanced brightness were posted. Possibly the same with the images. I saw them just fine on a 55" Mitsu RPTV without doing anything special.

Hard to say what the intent of the writers is. It may simply be that the broadcast image contains exactly what is intended, but they haven't factored in that not every viewer has a properly calibrated display.

For example, remember the Dharma logo on the shark? Most people missed that until some pictures with enhanced brightness were posted. Possibly the same with the images. I saw them just fine on a 55" Mitsu RPTV without doing anything special.

Good point! I need $300, then I want to get my new plasma calibrated too.

Remember when all you had to do was wrap your rabbit ears with aluminum foil?

Hard to say what the intent of the writers is.Welcome to the hell that is Lost fandom

Remember when all you had to do was wrap your rabbit ears with aluminum foil?

I would think that would be even more embarassing. I just went ahead with the surgery.

'lost' is good. but it's too slow.
after this season. I'm going to watch the next season in DVD. I guess probably they will make 6+ seasons. :D

'lost' is good. but it's too slow.
after this season. I'm going to watch the next season in DVD. I guess probably they will make 6+ seasons. :D

that comment. was slow. and had strange. punctuation. and capitilization. ;)

I would think that would be even more embarassing. I just went ahead with the surgery.

I was going for the whole "Donnie Darko" look.

Matthew Fox on Oprah today.

I heard this morning on the radio that Matthew Fox will be starring in a new movie this Fall/Winter called We Are... Marshall. The story of the 1970 Marshall University football team plane crash and the spirited recovery that followed. He will be playing Assistant Coach William “Red” Dawson.

ITunes? No way. #1, I don't have any kind of subscription and never will. The quality would be abysmal. I want to watch these in HD on my projector.

I don't want to go into details here about how someone can help me. Those who can help will know it.

Matt- HD rips are all over the net and incredibly easy to download. You have a PM.

Got it. Thanks. Still hoping to catch them in actual HD on my projector before I resort to that. HD on my projector is just orgasm inducing. :D

Hard to say what the intent of the writers is. It may simply be that the broadcast image contains exactly what is intended, but they haven't factored in that not every viewer has a properly calibrated display.

For example, remember the Dharma logo on the shark? Most people missed that until some pictures with enhanced brightness were posted. Possibly the same with the images. I saw them just fine on a 55" Mitsu RPTV without doing anything special.Pete, why couldn't most see those images? I'm asking because I've been watching Lost in standard-def and have seen practically every subtle image flashed at the viewers (except the plane on the beach in Charlie's hallucinogenic episode).

I no longer have excellent eye-sight, but am hoping to get an HD set real soon. My computer's processor is in dire need of an upgrade, as it's HD tuner card needs more power.

Of course I can't know specifics, but I'll take a wild guess that some people have their contrast or "black level" or whatever it may be called on their particular set up too high--or their overall brightness level set too low.

The reason for the guess is that the Dharma image on the shark required upping the brighness of the image to see it, and the images in the "black smoke/nanobot swarm/island monster/security system/pissed off giraffe" can easily get lost in the darkness.

Other than that, I'm not sure. I saw them quite clearly so I was surprised to read some postings about other viewers not seeing them.

Of course, this is Lost. Perhaps there never really were any images, but the "island entity" projected into the minds of some of us what WE know about Mr. Eko. Naturally, only those of us who were good saw it. :)

The biggest mystery on Lost to me is: Why don't they fix the artifacts on the opening LOST title?

JJ said at the Paley Festival last year that he made that title himself on his Mac laptop. It was supposed to be just temporary. Funny, that.

Anyway, I think the low-budget look is kinda charming :)

So what is the deal with JJ and Lost? was he really just brought in at the last minute by ABC to supervise? Its so weird, you don't get that view from the DVD bonus features...you feel like he's been onboard since the begining...

25 hours till new Lost

25 hours till new Lost
...and 26 hours 'til the complaining begins... :p

...and 26 hours 'til the complaining begins... :p

ok I swear I won't complain this one episode...no matter how bad it is :D

ok I swear I won't complain this one episode...no matter how bad it is :D

And we intend to hold you to that. Otherwise, we are prepared to tell Sayid that you are an "other". ;) :eek:

And we intend to hold you to that. Otherwise, we are prepared to tell Sayid that you are an "other". ;) :eek:

I'll just turn the computer off after the episode :D

naw it looks good...honestly, I think if I stop watching the commercials, expectations DROP dramatically and you aren't expecting everything to happen in one episode...it worked well last season but I don't know why I started watching the previews...could be the fact that its almost forced upon you...showing a 2 minute preview 5 minutes before teh show starts is by FAR the stupidest thing the networks do (and they all do it, even Sci-Fi)...that is my biggest pet-peeve

Anyone know what the actors behind Michael and Walt are up to these days? Any idea in how long before we see either or both of them again?

Anyone know what the actors behind Michael and Walt are up to these days? Any idea in how long before we see either or both of them again?

its only been a few days...I'm sure they can survive without food, water and shelter for a few more...personally, I say don't go there

I've seen torture in many movies and even TV shows, as well as the Abu Ghraib photos. While I agree that Sayid beat the crap out of Henry's face, would you call that torture? Especially since Sayid ended up crying? I mean, Sawyer got worse torture that that. I would think an Iraqi torture specialist would use cutting, bamboo, whipping, peeling, and other grotesque methods. Remember the dentist in Marathon Man -- "Is it safe?" A few punches to the face isn't torture, that's just a fist fight. It is similar fare on 24, when Jack requests a few moments with the accused. His technique is the throw stuff off a table, then yell in your face after he's pushed you against the wall. If I were a criminal terrorist, this wouldn't begin to break me.

Anyone know what the actors behind Michael and Walt are up to these days? Any idea in how long before we see either or both of them again?

Michael is rumored to reappear before the end of the season.

I've seen torture in many movies and even TV shows, as well as the Abu Ghraib photos. While I agree that Sayid beat the crap out of Henry's face, would you call that torture? Especially since Sayid ended up crying? I mean, Sawyer got worse torture that that. I would think an Iraqi torture specialist would use cutting, bamboo, whipping, peeling, and other grotesque methods. Remember the dentist in Marathon Man -- "Is it safe?" A few punches to the face isn't torture, that's just a fist fight. It is similar fare on 24, when Jack requests a few moments with the accused. His technique is the throw stuff off a table, then yell in your face after he's pushed you against the wall. If I were a criminal terrorist, this wouldn't begin to break me.

I'm sure if you lost your Keycard during a major crisis you would tell someone about it so they would cancel it and issue you a new one, not to mention during an elevated terrorist alert not checking the executives bag. It's just a TV show. It's not even close to reality as is usually the case on TV.

that Matthew Fox will be starring in a new movie this Fall/Winter called We Are... Marshall. The story of the 1970 Marshall University football team plane crash and the spirited recovery that followed. He will be playing Assistant Coach William “Red” Dawson.
Looking forward to this movie. In case you hadn't made the connection, my user name "herdfan" is a reference to the Marshall University Thundering Herd.

I was 5 at the time, but remember my parents being upset watching the news on TV. One of the cool things is that East Carolina also hold a memorial service on its campus every year to remember the crash. Marshall was returning from a game at ECU when the plane crashed.

The movie will stir a lot of emotions here, but from everything that has been written in the local papers, the producers want to make an accurate movie.

OK, Back on topic.

Anyone know what the actors behind Michael and Walt are up to these days? Any idea in how long before we see either or both of them again?

I just reazlied a couple of weeks ago that Michael (Harold Perrineau) was Link in The Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions.

It was just announced that 'Michael' will play Tommy Flynn in a movie scheduled to begin in 2007 called Random Acts of Kindness.

Plot Outline: A grown man gets a second chance at the childhood he never experienced when he's taken in by an older man who says he's the father who left him when he was two years old.

Doesn't sound very random to me. :confused:

Looking forward to this movie. In case you hadn't made the connection, my user name "herdfan" is a reference to the Marshall University Thundering Herd.

I was 5 at the time, but remember my parents being upset watching the news on TV. One of the cool things is that East Carolina also hold a memorial service on its campus every year to remember the crash. Marshall was returning from a game at ECU when the plane crashed.

The movie will stir a lot of emotions here, but from everything that has been written in the local papers, the producers want to make an accurate movie.

OK, Back on topic.

I was 5 at the time too but didn't live near so have never heard/known of this tragedy until yesterday. I checked out the movie web site and it looks like it's going to be a really good movie. http://www.marshall.edu/movie/index.html

With a new episode on the way... it’s a big night for Lost fans tonight! Woo-hoo! :)

BTW... What became of Desmond?

It is similar fare on 24, when Jack requests a few moments with the accused. His technique is the throw stuff off a table, then yell in your face after he's pushed you against the wall. If I were a criminal terrorist, this wouldn't begin to break me.I Bet the sharp tip of his knife to your eye would.

I Bet the sharp tip of his knife to your eye would.

Kewl! He's done that?! Now THAT'S torture! I'm sick of "TELL ME WHERE THE (insert terrorist device here) IS!"

Kewl! He's done that?! Now THAT'S torture! I'm sick of "TELL ME WHERE THE (insert terrorist device here) IS!"Not only did Jack hold the quivering end of a razor sharp knife up against the base of a guy's eye, but the camera zoomed in super close in high def (Mission Impossible II-like), which made it one of the most memorable moments (to me, at least) of last season.

Not only did Jack hold the quivering end of a razor sharp knife up against the base of a guy's eye, but the camera zoomed in super close in high def (Mission Impossible II-like), which made it one of the most memorable moments (to me, at least) of last season.
That was this season wasn't it...Walt Cummings..the President's aid..?

That was this season wasn't it...Walt Cummings..the President's aid..?Oh, yeah - it was memorable, but I couldn't remember which season it was - doh! I wonder if anyone has a still shot of it.

Oh, yeah - it was memorable, but I couldn't remember which season it was - doh! I wonder if anyone has a still shot of it.
I was so hoping we'd see his eyeball flop onto the floor.. :eek: :D

With a new episode on the way... it’s a big night for Lost fans tonight! Woo-hoo! :)

BTW... What became of Desmond?

The little bugger defected to '24'. No, seriously. That's a hard workin' actor, he is.

Nice ep.

Supplies are found, henry gale was the man burried (somebody's in trouble :))

And now i'm patently waiting for the map of the island that the blacklight revealed :)

...and 26 hours 'til the complaining begins... :p

Man, tonight's episode was lame!

Heh-heh

:p

Anybody get a screen cap of the image on the blast door?

Nice ep.

Supplies are found, henry gale was the man burried (somebody's in trouble :))

And now i'm patently waiting for the map of the island that the blacklight revealed :)

Alright, DVR guys, post a picture of the map please.

Holy cow! Now that was an episode!

(and for once somebody asked "what did you find?")

"Loop, Jack!"

ZERO COMPLAINTS HERE. ZERO. NADA. NONE

Great episode...well done suspense and surprises. No answers found, more exciting questions posed.

A) Black-Light drawings
B) mysterious plane-dropped food (yet nobody heard a plane)
C) He's not Henry Gale - which begs the question, did he actually type in the numbers?
D) Jack kicking Sawyer's ass in cards - more story that we don't know about Jack
E) Another great performance from Katey Segal - we can now see why John is so distraught over losing Helen...he lost everyone


wow...probably one of the best since the begining of this season.

Alright, DVR guys, post a picture of the map please.
Hehehehe!

Better be no bitchin' about the slow storyline. Tonight's episode had plenty of beef - and more evidence that Locke's Dad may be the real Sawyer.

holy crap, good episode, Henry f'n Gale. notice the pattern here everyone locke trusts is a liar and turns on him. wtf was on the wall someone get a black light. Oh yea 2 things: 1. that was nadia (sayid's gf) buying the house 2. Those were oceanic flights swooping down at the motel. anyone think locke lossing his legs becuase of the stereotypical mob guys. "ill break his legs" great episode, hurley next week i think it might be alittle more into his crazy house time

"Loop, Jack!"

Kate: "Should I go and get a ruler" was a pretty good one too.

Picture of Hatch Door (http://kjordan.net/door.jpg)

Looks like it's a map of all the hatches.

ZERO COMPLAINTS HERE. ZERO. NADA. NONE

Great episode...well done suspense and surprises. No answers found, more exciting questions posed.

A) Black-Light drawings
B) mysterious plane-dropped food (yet nobody heard a plane)
C) He's not Henry Gale - which begs the question, did he actually type in the numbers?


wow...probably one of the best since the begining of this season.

The only evidence, and it is questionable, that the supply drop is new, is the blinking light. Now, Jack was on his way to the hatch, while the safari team was on their way back. Could have been an established, well-walked path. That supports the possibility that the drop was new. However, who knows how long those light might blink? Could be an old drop?

ZERO COMPLAINTS HERE. ZERO. NADA. NONE

Great episode...well done suspense and surprises. No answers found, more exciting questions posed.

A) Black-Light drawings
B) mysterious plane-dropped food (yet nobody heard a plane)
C) He's not Henry Gale - which begs the question, did he actually type in the numbers?


wow...probably one of the best since the begining of this season.

A) Very cool use for the Dharma issue party lights.

B) A transport plane can fly pretty high. If people are yacking and the surf is rolling a bit, people might not hear it.

C) Probably. If not typing them in is that bad of a thing, he might be motivated to do so. It's also possible he isn't part of the program this hatch covers and really doesn't know what it does.

Better be no bitchin' about the slow storyline. Tonight's episode had plenty of beef - and more evidence that Locke's Dad may be the real Sawyer.

I'm with you there, but refresh my memory -- what has been disclosed by or about Sawyer that he stole his name? Have the circumstances been discussed?

Picture of Hatch Door (http://kjordan.net/door.jpg)

Looks like it's a map of all the hatches.

And the question mark?