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Quinocampa

03-31-06, 07:32 AM

For the slower ones in the class, my mention of appealing to a judge was a metaphor for using the argument that just because the Others haven't killed everybody doesn't get them off the hook for what they have done. It was apparent you thought they should be given an easier pass.

Look, I feel your pain, really I do. Goodwin killed a guy, Ethan hanged a guy and kidnapped Claire, the boaters burned the raft. No, this is not normal neighborly behavior. I'm not at all saying, "c'mon folks, these are nice people!" The only regularly floated theory about The Others is that they're conducting an experiment. While Dharma did run experiments...IN THE 80's!...and the corporate office is still dropping food, what the hell kind of experiment would this be? It sounds even more crazy and less plausible to think they're killing and abducting for the sake of science.

How do you explain their motivation to do what they're doing? That's what I want to get to the heart of. We have Goodwin's comments to Ana Lucia, Ethan's comments to Claire, Desmond's to Jack, "The Incident", Desmond and Ethan's serum, Rousseau's dead mates, and the word "quarantine" as clues. The experiment idea, to me, is much too complicated and cumbersome to conduct. I've posted numerous reasons why I believe that -- again, my opinions only, which anyone can reject. However, if you accept the clues set before you, the existence of a viral outbreak of some kind can begin to explain the aggressive behavior of The Others. They are not operating under everyday Miss Manners conditions. As true survivalists, they must be doing whatever they feel is necessary.

As always, I find your elevated patronizing tone entertaining, given what's at stake here (armchair analysis of a TV show).

petergaryr

03-31-06, 08:28 AM

eddieras

03-31-06, 08:35 AM

though he did remember those sequence of numbers all too easily..

exactly - especially considering he was out cold for a few minutes! i've been watching this show from day one and i still don't remember the numbers! :eek:

snakeyes1022

03-31-06, 08:40 AM

exactly - especially considering he was out cold for a few minutes! i've been watching this show from day one and i still don't remember the numbers! :eek:

yeah but your life does not depend on it. ;) ;)

Quinocampa

03-31-06, 08:47 AM

GlendaleHDTV

03-31-06, 09:22 AM

exactly - especially considering he was out cold for a few minutes! i've been watching this show from day one and i still don't remember the numbers! :eek:

Don't they have the numbers written down on a piece of paper/post-it note next to the computer? I seem to remember that from an earlier episode.

squidboy

03-31-06, 09:41 AM

funny, looking at wayzata on google earth you can see a "Locke Point" and "Gale Island"....Can't say I see those, but I do see an Echo Bay and a Priests Bay.

There is also a "Gale Rd.", right above Robinsons Bay.

Flyer1

03-31-06, 09:46 AM

It could easily be for the purpose of preventing the drop plane pilot from getting a visual of anybody on the island (in particular the stranded visitors) and/or keeping those in the bunker from having any visual contact with the drop plane. After all, the pilot is probably nothing more than a courier.

I had similiar thoughts as well, but if the lockdown is to keep the stranded from seeing the plane, then why would it give them so much notice that the lockdown was coming - assuming the reason Locke couldn't hear the countdown was because the speaker was broken

Flyer1

03-31-06, 09:47 AM

I thought that

Just meant that for some reason there are fewer polar bears and Lostzillas running around when there's a drop to pick up. If there are two people in the bunker, I don't see how the button could prevent one of them from wandering around while the other types the numbers.

I think it just keeps on of them from wandering around for long periods of time - would take days to explore the whole island.

RKDauph

03-31-06, 09:55 AM

Didn't see this asked.

Was the house Locke inspected being bought by Sayid's girlfriend?

Quinocampa

03-31-06, 09:56 AM

Inquiring minds want to know: Where do they dump all the trash from all those Dharma brand ranch bottles and candy bars?

The Swan has the original prototype for Mr. Fusion, and it still works!

(I know, Mr. Fusion only ran on plant matter...)

bobby94928

03-31-06, 09:58 AM

There is also a "Gale Rd.", right above Robinsons Bay.

Here's a look at Wayzata, Gale Island, and Locke Pt.:

Quinocampa

03-31-06, 10:00 AM

There is also a "Gale Rd.", right above Robinsons Bay.

What would you guys have done if the license had his phone number on it, and it was "555-1212"?

Iteki

03-31-06, 10:00 AM

I haven't played it back, but I definitely did NOT hear "Helen's dead".

I heard 'Helen's dead' the first time, but replayed it and now I can hear 'I understand'. I think it was a bit of a freudian slip of hearing on some of our parts.

Neil L

03-31-06, 10:01 AM

Didn't see this asked.

Was the house Locke inspected being bought by Sayid's girlfriend?Apparently, yes. It was mentioned here about two hundred posts back. Having trouble keeping up too? :)

RKDauph

03-31-06, 10:06 AM

Apparently, yes. It was mentioned here about two hundred posts back. Having trouble keeping up too? :)

Yup, I hate it when life gets in the way of my idle time.

maxman

03-31-06, 10:07 AM

I heard 'Helen's dead' the first time, but replayed it and now I can hear 'I understand'. I think it was a bit of a freudian slip of hearing on some of our parts.

I played it back this morning and I can see where some misheard it as "Helen's dead". Kinda like all those misheard lyrics in lots of songs --- did Jimi Hendrix really say, "Scuse me, while I kiss this guy?"

dlipetz

03-31-06, 10:13 AM

Second image.
http://kjordan.net/doortrans.jpg

Some translations:

Wasn't there a character named DeGroot in either the instructional film or the Hanso Foundation Web site?

Could this character be the DG in MDG mentioned above?

Flyer1

03-31-06, 10:16 AM

What would you guys have done if the license had his phone number on it, and it was "555-1212"?

Find local area codes and dialed it ;)

DAMAC

03-31-06, 10:27 AM

Born '58, issued '03. Under 21 --- huh? Where'd you get that?

Jason Blair is from Indiana. Here our drivers licenses have a different background before you turn 21 and after so bars and liquor stores can quickly see if you are over 21. I think the back ground in that pic is the background for under 21 in Indiana. So there you go. :D

DAMAC

03-31-06, 10:28 AM

I haven't played it back, but I definitely did NOT hear "Helen's dead".

I think those guys were playing it backwards. If you play that scene backwards you hear, "Helen is Dead."

maxman

03-31-06, 10:29 AM

I think those guys were playing it backwards. If you play that scene backwards you hear, "Helen is Dead."

Anywhere you can hear "I buried Helen" or "Turn me on dead woman"?

Viventis

03-31-06, 10:40 AM

One possibility is that, once on the island, all become "infected" and even if they wanted to, the off-islanders couldn't rescue anyone. The only hope is to find a "cure".

One of my thoughts about the attempts to abduct children is that they somehow are needed in the search for a cure. For example, injecting Claire (with a possible mild form of the disease, while pregnant,) allowed her unborn child to manufacture anti-bodies to fight the disease. Children could have medical uses for the others that most adults do not. Could abduction of adults be based upon something medical, like blood type?

Viventis

03-31-06, 10:51 AM

I had similiar thoughts as well, but if the lockdown is to keep the stranded from seeing the plane, then why would it give them so much notice that the lockdown was coming - assuming the reason Locke couldn't hear the countdown was because the speaker was broken

If I remember correctly, part of the "lockdown" involved doors coming down to cover the artificial windows. Assuming those windows don't allow for escape or offer a visual of something the occupants shouldn't see, the lockdown didn't just KEEP them inside, it SEALED them inside. Being sealed implies more than protection from a polar bear. What then, were they being protected from....the smoke? Some sort of radiation?

tluxon

03-31-06, 11:01 AM

PJREDD

03-31-06, 11:03 AM

It could be possible that the lockdown occurs during any type of "Incident" like the one referred to in the training film. This would provide a safe place for the bunker inhabitants untilthe incident is over. This would explain the warning before the lockdown, and the doors being down long enough to draw the map we saw.

NorthJersey

03-31-06, 11:25 AM

Google image search:
http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/ID%20Requirments/FullFacePhotoSample.htm

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/9173/mn31bl.jpg (http://www.maplewoodmn.govoffice.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={F71F0415-C845-4D52-AC88-2B4B4E53F0C0})

This one is the closest to Gale's license shown in last night's episode. It looks like the handwritten date after the signature matches DOB.

Copied for easier comparison:

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/galeLicense.jpg

Minn Driver's sister is a pretty good actress, and kinda cute, but I thought she was from England ? Also, the guy on the sample license looked kind of young to be 73 years old

raaj

03-31-06, 11:25 AM

For me, lockdown using blast doors to keep the hatch-inhabitants from wandering in the "quarantined outside" at particular times hints at something more than a way of protecting the folks from being crushed by the supply drop from the sky. Why can't they just announce the arrival of the shipment, and ask the people to stay in the hatch until the package has been confirmed delivered? What is the need to have blast doors for this trivial issue?

Do the hatch inhabitants become raging werewolves when during the "restocking" phase, getting the scent of fresh food and supplies? There is something more serious behind sealing off the hatch with blast doors during restocking phase, other than saving the people from getting crushed accidentally while wandering in the jungle.

Ed Dixon

03-31-06, 11:40 AM

The lockdown door styles are more similar to blast doors used to protect insiders from outside significant events like explosions and fires. Because they did not seal at the bottom, they are not suited to protect from harmful/poison gas.

The fact that they lock into the floor at the bottom increases the chance they will hold if a signficant explosion occurs on the other side. These are not doors designed to just keep people inside. They are also not just fire doors, which are much smaller.

There seem two possibilites here. One is that this entire complex was built by Dharma just for their purpposes (whatever that turns out to be). The other is that they were built by some other group (like nuclear blast shelters for test centers) and later taken over by Dharms for their needs.

The US West Coast has a number of blast shelters and missle launch facilities since taken over by local groups for offices and vastly different uses.

Ed

mr2828

03-31-06, 11:43 AM

Wasn't there a character named DeGroot in either the instructional film or the Hanso Foundation Web site?

Could this character be the DG in MDG mentioned above?

Hmm, good guess, but I checked and the names are Gerald DeGroot and Karen DeGroot, so what is the M?

mr2828

03-31-06, 11:45 AM

Hmm, good guess, but I checked and the names are Gerald DeGroot and Karen DeGroot, so what is the M?

They did originally work at the University of Michigan, so it could be:

Alvar Hanso / the Michigan DeGroots

;)

maxman

03-31-06, 11:45 AM

Perhaps the advanced warning was to prevent someone from being trapped or crushed under a door, as Locke was.

I would assume the countdown was a warning to allow someone time to enter or exit as needed.

maxman

03-31-06, 11:47 AM

Quinocampa

03-31-06, 12:08 PM

One of my thoughts about the attempts to abduct children is that they somehow are needed in the search for a cure. For example, injecting Claire (with a possible mild form of the disease, while pregnant,) allowed her unborn child to manufacture anti-bodies to fight the disease. Children could have medical uses for the others that most adults do not. Could abduction of adults be based upon something medical, like blood type?

The adults grabbed from the tail section group were to be killed. Eko fought back and killed one. Michael is gone because he was seaching for Walt, and was not an abduction target. No one from Jack's group has been abducted by Others, IIRC. Goodwin said the adults were killed because they were a threat, because they were stronger or something. So, adults, I think, are out.

I like your theory on the children. The only other explanation I have is that they are trying to save the kids because they're kids, and they are "good". Either they are willing to share from a limited supply of medicine, or they want to quarantine them before they reach a vulnerable age. However, Mr. Friendly recognized that Walt was special, and Rousseau's daughter assisted Claire's escape, meaning she thought escape would be the desired option for Claire, although she stayed behind herself. These two nuances imply their reasons may be more than just health and safety. Still, there could be an age-related medical / scientific benefit.

tdtobat

03-31-06, 12:11 PM

What if the lockdown for the hatch was because it took more than one person to handle the restocking and was just a security procedure for leaving the hatch empty. We have no way of knowing where else within the hatch structure other doors might have closed. This would serve as a notice to the guys inside that a restock was coming.

Still don't get the significance of the 5 fatalities indicated on the blast door. Perhaps it does tie in with the virus theory. Desmond seemed to be taking a vaccine every day. Maybe earlier vaccine's didn't work.

scowl

03-31-06, 12:27 PM

What if the lockdown for the hatch was because it took more than one person to handle the restocking and was just a security procedure for leaving the hatch empty.
But then the problem is how could they both go out and haul back the supplies if one of them needed to enter the code? In this case they would have been locked out just as they needed to enter the code. This would make sense if the doors had gone up before time had run out.

scowl

03-31-06, 12:38 PM

I think it just keeps on of them from wandering around for long periods of time - would take days to explore the whole island.
One person could wander around the island for 18-20 hours while the other entered the numbers, maybe even longer if the person on duty took naps between beeps for a few more hours. That might keep them within five to ten miles of the bunker. I think the "Quarantine" signs are a more effective deterrent to people wandering off.

flattie

03-31-06, 01:03 PM

Xesdeeni

03-31-06, 01:04 PM

To draw such an intricate and detailed map, it seems the door would have had to be down for a long time. And I'm think it would need to be down at the will of those drawing the pictures. So maybe there's a manual way of bringing it down?

Xesdeeni

JeffAtlanta

03-31-06, 01:11 PM

Quinocampa

03-31-06, 01:17 PM

Still don't get the significance of the 5 fatalities indicated on the blast door. Perhaps it does tie in with the virus theory. Desmond seemed to be taking a vaccine every day. Maybe earlier vaccine's didn't work.

Could the 5 fatalities be Rousseau's crew?

Quinocampa

03-31-06, 01:27 PM

Probably a dumb question/observation but....if Locke knew he could send Henry through the vents/ductwork to access the other room why didn't he do that in the first place instead of sliding under a big freaking door??? Also, what's the point of the blast doors sealing off different areas of the hatch if they can be circumvented by climbing through the vents???
flattie

Did you notice that Henry came back the way he went, rather than checking to see if the blast door was raised and coming "thru the front door"? Also, although he peeked down the vent, we never saw him crawl up in there, or do anything in the dome room. There are multiple possibilities:
1. He did exactly as he said, exactly as Locke instructed him.
2. He did nothing.
3. He went into the room but did some maintenance or other function instead of resetting the clock.
2 and 3 are possibilities for those who think the button does nothing, and the cycle resets anyway.

scowl

03-31-06, 01:29 PM

To draw such an intricate and detailed map, it seems the door would have had to be down for a long time. And I'm think it would need to be down at the will of those drawing the pictures.
Or someone was locked behind those blast doors for a long time and needed to leave all the information they had for someone else. Some of the Latin phrases ("Cogito Ergo Doteo", "Sursum Corda", "Liberte Te Ex Inferus") sound like they were written by someone in a desperate situation or for someone who was going to be in a desperate situation, much like you'd see on prison walls.

Neil L

03-31-06, 01:40 PM

Could the 5 fatalities be Rousseau's crew?That's what I'm thinkin'. Especially since the map has notes written in French, English and Latin (I think. I'm certainly no language expert). Makes me think that different individuals have added what they have found about the island to the map over time.

Viventis

03-31-06, 01:52 PM

The adults grabbed from the tail section group were to be killed. Eko fought back and killed one. Michael is gone because he was seaching for Walt, and was not an abduction target. No one from Jack's group has been abducted by Others, IIRC. Goodwin said the adults were killed because they were a threat, because they were stronger or something. So, adults, I think, are out.

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I was thinking about the adults more like the plot of the movie "The Island." Use their blood and/or organs and discard them when they are through.

Ed Dixon

03-31-06, 01:56 PM

Also, what's the point of the blast doors sealing off different areas of the hatch if they can be circumvented by climbing through the vents???
flattie

The primary purpose of blast doors is to survive a blast. While dust and smoke might go through the vents, the force of the blast would not.

Ed

Quinocampa

03-31-06, 02:32 PM

I was thinking about the adults more like the plot of the movie "The Island." Use their blood and/or organs and discard them when they are through.

Soylent green is PEOPLE!!

R11

03-31-06, 03:03 PM

A possible scenario is that Dharma started out as a legitimate research project with specific goals in mind. Then the "incident" happened.

I'm guessing that, though unplanned, it took their research in a different direction and they decided to play it out to see where it would eventually lead. The fact that there are periodic re-supplies means that people off island are well aware of what is happening.
The moral question comes into play when you try to get a take on what the ultimate motives of the off-islanders are.

One possibility is that, once on the island, all become "infected" and even if they wanted to, the off-islanders couldn't rescue anyone. The only hope is to find a "cure".

I just hope it doesn't turn out that the whole project is truly being run by "mad scientists" who are merely doing things "because they can". Ooops, sorry, that was Surface.I'm not so sure that just because there are periodic resupplies, we can assume that there are off-island people "running the show" and/or aware of what may have happened. The resupply routine could have been outsourced/contracted and set up initially long ago with instructions to continue until told otherwise. Ongoing funding could be coming from accounts set up just about anywhere and owned by virtually any outside source that was not directly involved/related to supposed research (research endowments, a trust, personal funds etc.) as well. Personally, I hope that we don't find out that there are off-island entities tracking/observing the current situation.

ron

snakeyes1022

03-31-06, 03:48 PM

I heard 'Helen's dead' the first time, but replayed it and now I can hear 'I understand'. I think it was a bit of a freudian slip of hearing on some of our parts.

i listened to it again and it is clearly i will understand. it s weird though because i did relisten to it that night with my wife and we both heard it again. any way atleast i confirmed im not the only crazy person who thought he heard it. lol

jasonblair

03-31-06, 04:00 PM

Jason Blair is from Indiana. Here our drivers licenses have a different background before you turn 21 and after so bars and liquor stores can quickly see if you are over 21. I think the back ground in that pic is the background for under 21 in Indiana. So there you go. :DI remember when they used to do that. Red background under 21, blue background over 21. They got rid of that a few years ago though.

I remember a buddy of mine in high school got the blue background by accident when he got his license. We thought it was so cool, but we could never talk him into trying to use it.

jasonblair

03-31-06, 04:05 PM

Born '58, issued '03. Under 21 --- huh? Where'd you get that?That's the problem when links are changed on posts. Yesterday the driver's license in post 14449 said "UNDER 21" in red abover her picture. I think after I made that comment, the link to the picture was changed.

rdwalt

03-31-06, 04:09 PM

It must be Friday already.

petergaryr

03-31-06, 04:44 PM

I'm not so sure that just because there are periodic resupplies, we can assume that there are off-island people "running the show" and/or aware of what may have happened. The resupply routine could have been outsourced/contracted and set up initially long ago with instructions to continue until told otherwise. Ongoing funding could be coming from accounts set up just about anywhere and owned by virtually any outside source that was not directly involved/related to supposed research (research endowments, a trust, personal funds etc.) as well. Personally, I hope that we don't find out that there are off-island entities tracking/observing the current situation.

ron

I'm sure that is possible.

I was basing my assumption on the fact that it was Dharma branded mac and cheese. Also, I still believe that the medical staff that were going to take Claire's baby are Dharma employees.

lax01

03-31-06, 04:46 PM

have I missed anything vital in the past 3 pages? I hate not reading the board for a day...you have to read like 5-7 pages of missed posts :)

ETphoneHome

03-31-06, 04:49 PM

Haven't been here since just before the new episode ... that is a lot to catch up on!

One thing to remember about this show is how people lie all the time. You really have to be suspicious of what anyone says. It may be true, a partial truth, or boldface lie.

I can't believe someone posted a few pages back that they thought the plumbing in the bunker was shot. Nooooo ... Jack obviously was telling that to Kate to keep her out of the bunker and limit the number of people who knew about Henry Gale.

Henry Gale is a liar and the father of lies. When he said he did just as Locke instructed him and climbed through the air duct and entered the code in the computer room, I'd be willing to bet that is not what he did. If so, why didn't he respond when Locke was yelling at him? Sure the beeping was loud but Henry would still have heard him between beeps and been able to respond, but he didn't. And as some have pointed out, Henry sure picked up those numbers rather quickly.

One thing I noticed is that Henry was not in the computer room but came from the kitchen/central area Locke had crawled from. Now Henry may want us to think he entered the numbers in the computer and then he crawled back up into the air duct (how?) and I guess dropped back down through the food pantry, but I have a hunch he went somewhere else and did something else to make the doors go up. He sure seems to know the bunker pretty well, more than he is letting on. Next episode with Sayid I hope to see our friend Henry squeal like a pig!

R11

03-31-06, 05:14 PM

Next episode with Sayid I hope to see our friend Henry squeal like a pig! :eek: Fade to dueling banjos.....

ron

Syzygy

03-31-06, 05:39 PM

Most of you are much smarter than the writers. They probably are taking ideas from you all the time. I suggest you all cut them off and leave them to their own devices; then you'll see them revert to shows filled with random, unconnected, nonsensical dangers such as jet engines that spontaneously restart themselves when someone passes in front of them, invisible dragons/dinosaurs and sweltering polar bears.

Opening scene: Charlie discovers a grave (marked with a cross) but fails to notice the bright red deflated balloon hanging about 20 feet over his head. He calls out, and Sayeed and Ana Lucia come running, but they also fail to notice the balloon in the tree above them. How can this be? Only so that Ana Lucia can say "Why isn't it raining here?"

Home invasion scene: John makes what should've been a fatal mistake when he fails to reply to the thugs' demand that he let them see what's in his knapsack. His silent acquiescence tells them that he knows what they're looking for (the $700,000). The thugs' lack of any reaction to his silence is plain stupidity on the part of the writers.

(And why would John's father be so dumb as to try conning two characters as slimy and deadly-looking as those mooks? And why would John lie so egregiously at the end of this scene to the woman he's on the verge of proposing to? — My guess is it's only because all the characters in this ridiculous series make a habit of lying, or at least withholding.)

Crushed by the Door: John Locke pleads pitifully for "Henry Gale" to prop up the door with something to relieve the pressure on his legs. But that's not possible for "Gale" to do, because there's no way the door can be lifted up simply by inserting objects such as weight-lifting disks under its edge. That would only prevent the door from descending further. Yet Locke indicates relief at the lessened pressure once the weights are slid beneath the door. Don't the actors realize this is completely silly, even if the writers are too stupid to see it?

(Incidentally, when Locke calls out to Gale that the "blast doors" came down, the CC typist tells us hard-of-hearing folks that Locke said "glass doors!" Couldn't they get a CC typist who isn't also hard-of-hearing?)

Miss Continuity: At 36:50, it's clear that there's a thick, shiny metal rod directly over the center of John's right thighbone. Unless it's retractable, it must've crushed and severed that bone, poor fella. At other times (i.e., 37:44), a close-up shows the non-retractable rod missing most of the leg and causing what might be called a deep flesh wound. Later, as the door goes back up, we can clearly see that the impaling rod's bottom foot or so is completely coated with Locke's blood all the way around it, not just on the side that touched Locke's leg in the close-ups. But Locke can walk on the leg! A second miracle for him!

Two-man poker game: Sawyer has made it clear to everyone that he's a sociopath — that is, unconcerned with the rules that the rest of us depend upon to make society function — so why would Jack expect him to honor his promise to hand over the drugs he stole? In fact, Sawyer's betting his ill-gotten drugs against fruit that anyone can pick makes no sense at all for him unless he doesn't intend to pay up.

(This leads to the more general truth: In a real-life desert island scenario, long ago Sawyer either would have become the boss of everyone — the "Fearless Leader" — or would have been killed, perhaps after a short "trial.")

(Incidentally, that poster who was happy about Sawyer's mentioning Tallahassee probably shouldn't have been; it's quite clear that Sawyer implied he picked up a case of gonorrhea there, and that as a result he now associates Tallahassee with that disease.)

But: Are the writers really idiots, as I set out to show, or are they simply filled with contempt for us, their viewers, whom they assume to be idiots? I leave that for others to decide.

deeann

03-31-06, 06:03 PM

Second image.
http://kjordan.net/doortrans.jpg

My (extremely reaching) interpretation of some of the map:

CV (#)* - Aircraft Carriers? From the top they can look rectangular and it looks like most are located by what appear to be underground waterways (Z4,Y8,Z15 = subterranean conduit which could be either buried cables or underground water channels). Standard CV(number) designation does not use Roman numerals, but more below.

HC(?) - Helicopter launch/landing pad? Helicopters would be faster at food drops also.

MS(?) - Missile Silo?

(edit) AEG Exit- Aeromedical Evacuation Group (?)

***

*CV as a notational device (Curriculum Vitae). Someone familiar with Nostradamus should correct this if I'm wrong but it looks like CV-I is where he talks about WWIII.

trbarry

03-31-06, 06:12 PM

CV = Containment Vault?

tcfila

03-31-06, 06:15 PM

When Jack and Sawyer were playing cards, on the final hand, Sawyer (I think) says Jack has a pair of 9s. I wasn't watching in HD, but it looked like it was a 9 and a Jack. Can anyone confirm?

archiguy

03-31-06, 06:15 PM

CV = Containment Vault?

How about "Cerberus Vent"...? A place where the black smoke nanobots come and go.

CPanther95

03-31-06, 06:16 PM

That's one big-ass underground stream or waterway if there are carriers under there. :eek:

keenan

03-31-06, 06:16 PM

CV = Containment Vault?
That sounds like the most reasonable translation. CV in the automotive world stands for constant velocity, although it undoubtedly has no relevance here.

Cerberus Vent is a good one too..

deeann

03-31-06, 06:24 PM

That's one big-ass underground stream or waterway if there are carriers under there. :eek:

Yeah I was thinking about that too (and manuverability unless they are really small), but since there's no scale key on it it's hard to tell, but like I said I'm totally reaching. :D

R11

03-31-06, 06:30 PM

How about "Cerberus Vent"...? A place where the black smoke nanobots come and go.I was thinking they could be something along those lines too, especially since we've seen the black smoke coming out of holes in the ground near the hatch.

ron

lax01

03-31-06, 06:52 PM

Most of you are much smarter than the writers. They probably are taking ideas from you all the time. I suggest you all cut them off and leave them to their own devices; then you'll see them revert to shows filled with random, unconnected, nonsensical dangers such as jet engines that spontaneously restart themselves when someone passes in front of them, invisible dragons/dinosaurs and sweltering polar bears.

Opening scene: Charlie discovers a grave (marked with a cross) but fails to notice the bright red deflated balloon hanging about 20 feet over his head. He calls out, and Sayeed and Ana Lucia come running, but they also fail to notice the balloon in the tree above them. How can this be? Only so that Ana Lucia can say "Why isn't it raining here?"

Home invasion scene: John makes what should've been a fatal mistake when he fails to reply to the thugs' demand that he let them see what's in his knapsack. His silent acquiescence tells them that he knows what they're looking for (the $700,000). The thugs' lack of any reaction to his silence is plain stupidity on the part of the writers.

(And why would John's father be so dumb as to try conning two characters as slimy and deadly-looking as those mooks? And why would John lie so egregiously at the end of this scene to the woman he's on the verge of proposing to? — My guess is it's only because all the characters in this ridiculous series make a habit of lying, or at least withholding.)

Crushed by the Door: John Locke pleads pitifully for "Henry Gale" to prop up the door with something to relieve the pressure on his legs. But that's not possible for "Gale" to do, because there's no way the door can be lifted up simply by inserting objects such as weight-lifting disks under its edge. That would only prevent the door from descending further. Yet Locke indicates relief at the lessened pressure once the weights are slid beneath the door. Don't the actors realize this is completely silly, even if the writers are too stupid to see it?

(Incidentally, when Locke calls out to Gale that the "blast doors" came down, the CC typist tells us hard-of-hearing folks that Locke said "glass doors!" Couldn't they get a CC typist who isn't also hard-of-hearing?)

Miss Continuity: At 36:50, it's clear that there's a thick, shiny metal rod directly over the center of John's right thighbone. Unless it's retractable, it must've crushed and severed that bone, poor fella. At other times (i.e., 37:44), a close-up shows the non- retractable rod missing most of the leg and causing what might be called a deep flesh wound.

Two-man poker game: Sawyer has made it clear to everyone that he's a sociopath — that is, unconcerned with the rules that the rest of us depend upon to make society function — so why would Jack expect him to honor his promise to hand over the drugs he stole? In fact, Sawyer's betting his ill-gotten drugs against fruit that anyone can pick makes no sense at all for him unless he doesn't intend to pay up.

(This leads to the more general truth: In a real-life desert island scenario, long ago Sawyer either would have become the boss of everyone — the "Fearless Leader" — or would have been killed, perhaps after a short "trial.")

(Incidentally, that poster who was happy about Sawyer's mentioning Tallahassee probably shouldn't have been; it's quite clear that Sawyer implied he picked up a case of gonorrhea there, and that as a result he now associates Tallahassee with that disease.)

But: Are the writers really idiots, as I set out to show, or are they simply filled with contempt for us, their viewers, whom they assume to be idiots? I leave that for others to decide.

No doubt people have ignored you because they don't like being critical about a show they "love" without condition so I'm going to make sure everyone (well those who haven't ignored me for expressing an opinion) can see it ;)

scowl

03-31-06, 07:15 PM

CV = Containment Vault?
or "Vessel".

Gecko85

03-31-06, 07:18 PM

Crushed by the Door: John Locke pleads pitifully for "Henry Gale" to prop up the door with something to relieve the pressure on his legs. But that's not possible for "Gale" to do, because there's no way the door can be lifted up simply by inserting objects such as weight-lifting disks under its edge. That would only prevent the door from descending further. Yet Locke indicates relief at the lessened pressure once the weights are slid beneath the door. Don't the actors realize this is completely silly, even if the writers are too stupid to see it?
Careful who you call stupid. ;)

Locke pleaded for the psuedo-Gale to find something to keep the door from descending further. I'll have to watch again to get the exact wording, but I clearly remember him wanting to prop something under the door to keep it from going any further. His relief was that the door wouldn't continue its descent...

ridgefamus

03-31-06, 07:19 PM

I'm not so sure that just because there are periodic resupplies, we can assume that there are off-island people "running the show" and/or aware of what may have happened. The resupply routine could have been outsourced/contracted and set up initially long ago with instructions to continue until told otherwise. Ongoing funding could be coming from accounts set up just about anywhere and owned by virtually any outside source that was not directly involved/related to supposed research (research endowments, a trust, personal funds etc.) as well. Personally, I hope that we don't find out that there are off-island entities tracking/observing the current situation.

ron

We'll know when they unpack the thing. If there are provisions for 40 or for just a couple of people will tell us a lot. What'd they determine upon taking the inventory the first time the food locker was discovered? Enough for Hurley for 2 days or for everyone else for a week? :D

Gecko85

03-31-06, 07:21 PM

When Jack and Sawyer were playing cards, on the final hand, Sawyer (I think) says Jack has a pair of 9s. I wasn't watching in HD, but it looked like it was a 9 and a Jack. Can anyone confirm?
I'll have to watch again, but perhaps they were playing hold 'em and there was a 9 up-card, giving Jack a pair.

maxman

03-31-06, 07:23 PM

To draw such an intricate and detailed map, it seems the door would have had to be down for a long time...

Or often.

maxman

03-31-06, 07:28 PM

It must be Friday already.

By that you mean we'll probably be discussing 'Will and Grace' or something by tomorrow?

maxman

03-31-06, 07:29 PM

have I missed anything vital in the past 3 pages? I hate not reading the board for a day...you have to read like 5-7 pages of missed posts :)

See the crib notes thread.

tbb1226

03-31-06, 07:35 PM

I'll have to watch again, but perhaps they were playing hold 'em and there was a 9 up-card, giving Jack a pair.Yep.

mr2828

03-31-06, 07:43 PM

CV = Containment Vault?

Cable Vault?

I think this is a standard term in telecom. A buried concrete box area where cables join and are accessible for maintenance.

scowl

03-31-06, 07:47 PM

But: Are the writers really idiots, as I set out to show, or are they simply filled with contempt for us, their viewers, whom they assume to be idiots? I leave that for others to decide.
Don't let us decide! We need your guidance! Save us Syzygy! Save us!

What flawless television show should we be watching? Alias? 24? Prison Break? CSI? Smallville? House? Gilmore Girls?

Why is everyone laughing? :rolleyes:

mr2828

03-31-06, 08:17 PM

That sounds like the most reasonable translation. CV in the automotive world stands for constant velocity, although it undoubtedly has no relevance here.

Cerberus Vent is a good one too..

I like Cerberus Vent - is that what Locke almost got dragged into last season when they dynamited it?

mr2828

03-31-06, 08:20 PM

Another map translation:

http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/cleanwall-707484.jpg

maxman

03-31-06, 09:43 PM

Most of you are much smarter than the writers. They probably are taking ideas from you all the time. I suggest you all cut them off and leave them to their own devices; then you'll see them revert to shows filled with random, unconnected, nonsensical dangers such as jet engines that spontaneously restart themselves when someone passes in front of them, invisible dragons/dinosaurs and sweltering polar bears.

Opening scene: Charlie discovers a grave (marked with a cross) but fails to notice the bright red deflated balloon hanging about 20 feet over his head. He calls out, and Sayeed and Ana Lucia come running, but they also fail to notice the balloon in the tree above them. How can this be? Only so that Ana Lucia can say "Why isn't it raining here?"

Home invasion scene: John makes what should've been a fatal mistake when he fails to reply to the thugs' demand that he let them see what's in his knapsack. His silent acquiescence tells them that he knows what they're looking for (the $700,000). The thugs' lack of any reaction to his silence is plain stupidity on the part of the writers.

(And why would John's father be so dumb as to try conning two characters as slimy and deadly-looking as those mooks? And why would John lie so egregiously at the end of this scene to the woman he's on the verge of proposing to? — My guess is it's only because all the characters in this ridiculous series make a habit of lying, or at least withholding.)

Crushed by the Door: John Locke pleads pitifully for "Henry Gale" to prop up the door with something to relieve the pressure on his legs. But that's not possible for "Gale" to do, because there's no way the door can be lifted up simply by inserting objects such as weight-lifting disks under its edge. That would only prevent the door from descending further. Yet Locke indicates relief at the lessened pressure once the weights are slid beneath the door. Don't the actors realize this is completely silly, even if the writers are too stupid to see it?

(Incidentally, when Locke calls out to Gale that the "blast doors" came down, the CC typist tells us hard-of-hearing folks that Locke said "glass doors!" Couldn't they get a CC typist who isn't also hard-of-hearing?)

Miss Continuity: At 36:50, it's clear that there's a thick, shiny metal rod directly over the center of John's right thighbone. Unless it's retractable, it must've crushed and severed that bone, poor fella. At other times (i.e., 37:44), a close-up shows the non- retractable rod missing most of the leg and causing what might be called a deep flesh wound.

Two-man poker game: Sawyer has made it clear to everyone that he's a sociopath — that is, unconcerned with the rules that the rest of us depend upon to make society function — so why would Jack expect him to honor his promise to hand over the drugs he stole? In fact, Sawyer's betting his ill-gotten drugs against fruit that anyone can pick makes no sense at all for him unless he doesn't intend to pay up.

(This leads to the more general truth: In a real-life desert island scenario, long ago Sawyer either would have become the boss of everyone — the "Fearless Leader" — or would have been killed, perhaps after a short "trial.")

(Incidentally, that poster who was happy about Sawyer's mentioning Tallahassee probably shouldn't have been; it's quite clear that Sawyer implied he picked up a case of gonorrhea there, and that as a result he now associates Tallahassee with that disease.)

But: Are the writers really idiots, as I set out to show, or are they simply filled with contempt for us, their viewers, whom they assume to be idiots? I leave that for others to decide.

'Sloppiness', I'll admit --- I see it too and wish they would vet the script better, but all-in-all, the stuff these guys come up with is incredible, and it's all a means to an end. Personally, I'm being entertained and enjoying the ride.

maxman

03-31-06, 09:59 PM

Yeah I was thinking about that too (and manuverability unless they are really small), but since there's no scale key on it it's hard to tell, but like I said I'm totally reaching. :D

Okay, they're nano-carriers, alright?

maxman

03-31-06, 10:03 PM

We'll know when they unpack the thing. If there are provisions for 40 or for just a couple of people will tell us a lot. What'd they determine upon taking the inventory the first time the food locker was discovered? Enough for Hurley for 2 days or for everyone else for a week? :D

Not relative to this post, but I hope everyone realizes they aren't making all of those Dharma labeled products on the island.

deeann

03-31-06, 10:23 PM

So I can get my Dharma-Flakes (TM) fix without having so go to some lame island? Yes!!!

Not nano-carriers, nanoo-carriers. Remember that ABC documentary from the late '70's early '80's?

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/mork.gif

Okay- I'm just being dumb now, please ignore.

maxman

03-31-06, 10:26 PM

So I can get my Dharma-Flakes (TM) fix without having so go to some lame island? Yes!!!

They're gonna be BIG when word gets out, wait and see!

PS: See post #14583

Gecko85

03-31-06, 10:28 PM

Crushed by the Door: John Locke pleads pitifully for "Henry Gale" to prop up the door with something to relieve the pressure on his legs. But that's not possible for "Gale" to do, because there's no way the door can be lifted up simply by inserting objects such as weight-lifting disks under its edge. That would only prevent the door from descending further. Yet Locke indicates relief at the lessened pressure once the weights are slid beneath the door. Don't the actors realize this is completely silly, even if the writers are too stupid to see it?
Not that this is really necessary, but here you go:

Locke: You have to stop the door. Put something else under the door.

{fake-Gale reaches for the weights}

Locke: C'mon, c'mon.

{Locke is straining with all his might to impede the process of the door and hold it up.}

Locke: Stack 'em, stack 'em...stop the pressure...{various grunts and groans}

{fake-Gale gets the weights stacked, stopping the progress of the door. Locke stops straining to hold up the door, and falls back in temporary relief.}

So, it's the writers who are stupid, right? ;)

Rob13

03-31-06, 10:33 PM

I was away this week, so I taped the ep. The tape stopped right when Sayid pull out the license, is this how it ended or was there more?
Thanks

leebo

03-31-06, 10:42 PM

bigrushhead

03-31-06, 11:01 PM

i listened to it again and it is clearly i will understand. it s weird though because i did relisten to it that night with my wife and we both heard it again. any way atleast i confirmed im not the only crazy person who thought he heard it. lol

I think he said "Zed" is dead Baby, but Helen is safe alive and well.

bigrushhead

03-31-06, 11:15 PM

Quinocampa

04-01-06, 01:07 AM

I don't think hes getting all that much dissing, at least for now.

I actually agree with allot of the scenes he was referring to, especially the parachute and why isn't it raining here dialogue. and why cant any of us see a Big Parachute with really Bright colors?

That's alot like when something horrifying steps in from off-camera and the whole audience shrieks. Movies and TV pretend that the edges of the screen or monitor are also the edges of the actors' vision. There is no peripheral vision in video entertainment. Except in karate movies, of course. It is a style that the audience accepts when we participate in the medium.

Quinocampa

04-01-06, 01:10 AM

I really liked when the camera moved to face Locke when he was viewing the blast door map. You could see the reflection on his cornea, giving the impression that he was totally focused and absorbing everything. It mightn't've been an original, but it certainly wasn't cliched, and it just looked cool.

Quinocampa

04-01-06, 01:12 AM

So, given that a producer has denounced that the black smoke is a nanobot cloud, are those of you who use that description using it out of convenience, spite, or irony?

Gecko85

04-01-06, 01:41 AM

Syzygy

04-01-06, 02:01 AM

Gecko85 said:
... {fake-Gale gets the weights stacked, stopping the progress of the door. Locke stops straining to hold up the door, and falls back in temporary relief.}

So, it's the writers who are stupid, right?Gecko85 implies that I missed something; that I should've realized that Locke was pressing up against the door with all the might he could muster in his thighs of steel — even after the flesh (and maybe the bone) in one of those thighs had been shredded by the rod in the door.

Well, I hope and trust that no one else shares Gecko's belief that Locke is Superman in disguise. ;)

Anyway, I continue to watch Lost for its fantastic ideas and imagery (not so much because there's any deep puzzle worth solving, and certainly not for its scintillating dialogue). I just wish the characters would stop hiding so much from each other and that the show didn't insult the viewer's intelligence so frequently.

petergaryr

04-01-06, 07:13 AM

So, given that a producer has denounced that the black smoke is a nanobot cloud, are those of you who use that description using it out of convenience, spite, or irony?

The producers are actually the Others and cannot be trusted to tell the truth. They are all infected.

The nanobot theory is mostly based on some of us reading the book Prey (as you may or may not know). The description of how a nanobot swarm reacts, what it can do, and what it looks like (from the cover illustration), sure LOOKS and SOUNDS a lot like the "island monster/black smoke/security system/pissed off giraffe/cerberus".

However, if that particular producer is not lying (since they would NEVER do that), then it will be interesting to see what i.m.b.s.ss.pog.c really is, without resorting to some supernatural explanation.

petergaryr

04-01-06, 07:37 AM

I just wish the characters would stop hiding so much from each other and that the show didn't insult the viewer's intelligence so frequently.

Before I became an independent contractor, I was working for a rather large Fortune 1000 company. At one point, I was high enough in the organization to discover the "secret" that upper management routinely lied to the employees for various reasons (did I mention I don't work there anymore?).

In their minds, the "lies" were necessary to run the business. Those in the "inner circle" knew the truth and were often put in the position of being required to look people in the eye and tell them things that were "truth-challenged". For example, we were going to exit a line of business, but couldn't let that become public or else it would affect the stock price. So, management needed to "protect" everyone from potential "insider trading" information.
It almost sounds right, until you are placed in the position of lying directly to a friend.

A definite management structure has developed on the island. Jack, Locke, Sayid, and probably Anna Lucia most likely do get together periodically and discuss things even though we don't see it. Kate knows some things, but it was obvious from Jack's "the plumbing is broken" comment that she is being excluded from the inner circle.

Charlie and Hugo have at various times made comments about "too many secrets" and "not being in the loop". Those are the same type of comments I would hear during employee attitude survey meetings.

So, the way things are developing in the island society doesn't really surprise me.

I'm my own boss now, and let me tell you, it is really difficult at times for me to not reveal secrets to myself for my own good.

taxman48

04-01-06, 08:27 AM

CV:
CV stands for Cablevision, whole island is being wired for HD.. :D

sterno3

04-01-06, 08:36 AM

petergaryr

04-01-06, 09:08 AM

so, it took you getting pretty high up in a fortune 1000 company for you to figure out that management will lie/obscure truth to it's employees? ;) Next thing you're going to tell me that parents lie to their kids ("there is no more ice cream"). :eek:

I don't think this is unique to big companies, but I can definitely understand the sentiment of how it sucks to be put into a tough position of having to lie to a friend.

Sorry to bust your....err chops...this morning, i couldn't resist.

Actually, I had a good laugh over it. :D

I am curious as to why the leaders of the losties feel the need to keep so much a secret.

When I lie, it is usually because I don't want to face the immediate consequences of some stupid act (coward), or because I want to spare someone's feelings (sensitive). Unfortunately, eventually the truth always has a way of eventually coming to light.

So, no matter what the motive is, eventually there will be the consequences of the original act and the follow-up lie.

Trust is the glue that holds relationships together. You can't trust a liar, no matter what the motive is for the lie.

So, back to the original problem: what do Jack, Locke and Sayid (and maybe AL) hope to gain by keeping so much from the other losties?

rezzy

04-01-06, 09:36 AM

However, if that particular producer is not lying (since they would NEVER do that), then it will be interesting to see what i.m.b.s.ss.pog.c really is, without resorting to some supernatural explanation.Right. I hope he was just being untruthful; what the heck else could it be?

Gecko85

04-01-06, 11:26 AM

Gecko85 implies that I missed something;
I was actually implying that you misinterpreted the scene. You said it was ridiculous because Locked wanted Gale to lift the door:

But that's not possible for "Gale" to do, because there's no way the door can be lifted up simply by inserting objects such as weight-lifting disks under its edge. That would only prevent the door from descending further.

I simply pointed out that Locke pleaded for Gale to do exactly what you say putting the weight under the door would do...prevent the door from descending further.

Quinocampa

04-01-06, 11:34 AM

So, back to the original problem: what do Jack, Locke and Sayid (and maybe AL) hope to gain by keeping so much from the other losties?

I'll try to tackle this question, at least partly. Henry Gale is an analogy for a terrorist or security risk, and the hatch is Guantanamo. Because he is suspected of being an Other, without any direct proof but only fear of "what if", he is being held indefinitely, without any rights. They seem to be feeding him and keeping him as comfortable as possible, given the circumstances. He has been tortured and interrogated. Now, were the other survivors to become aware of him, natural personal value systems would color the suggestions of treatment people would offer or demand. Without disclosure, the management team can treat him as they please without repercussion, without having to explain anything.

Disclosure of the number sequence might raise fear for the safety of individuals. This is also true for the encounter with Mr. Friendly and his wily band of brothers in arms.

I don't think there are THAT many lies, but obviously there are a few. Jack does not necessarily consider his action nefarious. He's just being lazy. Democracy takes too much time, and he doesn't want to give up control and risk actions taken that don't coincide with his ideas. It's all very American.

petergaryr

04-01-06, 01:40 PM

An interesting take.

In reading other postings that comment on the lack of information sharing, I was trying to picture what it would be like if they had an "information sharing session"?

(with apologies to Lord of the Flies)

Jack: "Piggy, oops, I mean Hurley, hand me the conch. OK, people, now settle down."
Jack: "Jack, oops, I mean John, stop playing with the knife."
Jack: "I understand there have been some questions raised about the problems we are facing, and how we are handling them."
Losties: [mumblings of agreement]
Jack: "Well, we've solved the water problem, as you know. And we've just had a food drop, so there will be a party right after the meeting."
Charlie: "Who sent the food?"
Jack: "We don't know."
Unnamed Lostie: "What are you doing to protect us from the 'Others'?"
Jack: "Um, well, see we don't have any guns. Sawyer stole them all."
Another unnamed Lostie: "Who are these 'Others' anyway?"
Jack: "We don't know."
Yet another unnamed Lostie: "What's in the hatch?"
Jack: "A bed, shower, kitchen, old records, some guy we are keeping prisoner, and an old PC where we have to enter a series of numbers ever 108 minutes."
Y.A.U.L: "What happens if you don't enter the numbers?"
Jack: "We don't know."
Y.A.U.L.: What is that scary black smokey thing that comes out of the ground, sounds mechanical, uproots trees, and ate the face off of the pilot?"
Jack: "We don't know."
Y.A.U.L.:"Why are we seeing polar bears, black horses, dead people and dripping kids who talk backwards?"
Jack: "We don't know."
Y.A.U.L.: "Who really is that creepy gun totin' French chick who shoots people with arrows, stole Claire's baby, apparently murdered her crew and tortured Sayid?"
Jack: "We don't know."
Y.A.U.L.: "Why is there a ship called the Black Rock filled with dynamite so far inland?"
Jack: "We don't know."
Jack: "Well, thank you all for coming. As you can see, your leadership team has everything well in hand and under control. Party time!"

NetworkTV

04-01-06, 02:28 PM

Quinocampa

04-01-06, 03:24 PM

An interesting take.

In reading other postings that comment on the lack of information sharing, I was trying to picture what it would be like if they had an "information sharing session"?

(with apologies to Lord of the Flies)

Jack: "We don't know."
Jack: "Well, thank you all for coming. As you can see, your leadership team has everything well in hand and under control. Party time!"

Fantastic, Peter! I loved it.

scowl

04-01-06, 04:01 PM

Anyway, I continue to watch Lost for its fantastic ideas and imagery (not so much because there's any deep puzzle worth solving, and certainly not for its scintillating dialogue). I just wish the characters would stop hiding so much from each other and that the show didn't insult the viewer's intelligence so frequently.
Tell us when you find a show that doesn't do that. Every drama on television and every big budget movie has tons of goofs and errors like these. They're bound to be more common on a complicated show like Lost (which is doing better than Alias and 24 in this respect). There was even a typo in one of the English subtitles in the last episode.

tluxon

04-01-06, 05:37 PM

In the preview for next week, do you figure that bald guy in the bathrobe that Hurley was chasing from the food drop was an Other?

Syzygy

04-01-06, 05:49 PM

petergaryr said:
A definite management structure has developed on the island. Jack, Locke, Sayid, and probably Anna Lucia most likely do get together periodically and discuss things even though we don't see it. Kate knows some things, but it was obvious from Jack's "the plumbing is broken" comment that she is being excluded from the inner circle.

Charlie and Hugo have at various times made comments about "too many secrets" and "not being in the loop". Those are the same type of comments I would hear during employee attitude survey meetings.So, why don't we see any of these discussions? Maybe there aren't any. Or else the writers, being arrogant+stupid+lazy (qualities that often go together), don't care to let us in on them.
Jack (7 times in a row): "We don't know."Very, very funny, Pete! And you reminded me of some unanswered questions I'd forgotten all about, too. (Black Rock, dripping kids who talk backwards.) Now what would a board meeting of the top 4 sound like? Go ahead, give us some more belly-laughs.

Syzygy

04-01-06, 05:56 PM

Gecko85 said:
I simply pointed out that Locke pleaded for Gale to do exactly what you say putting the weight under the door would do...prevent the door from descending further.I guess I wasn't really listening to you (la la la la la) as you insisted that the door was still moving downward about a minute after Locke's legs were crushed beneath it. I can't accept that idea (again, la la la la la) because I'm convinced that a person's legs would not continue to offer resistance against such a strong force for more than a few seconds. ;)

Syzygy

04-01-06, 06:04 PM

scowl said:
There was even a typo in one of the English subtitles in the last episode.Hah! There are probably dozens of typos, substitutions of wrong words for right ones, faulty screen-positioning codes, etc., in every episode of every show on TV. Furthermore, Lost seems to be CC'd in real time without help from the script, increasing the error rate.

Sometimes I turn on CC (which requires a lot of button presses on an HD-TiVo) because neither of us at home could dope out what was said, and then we find out that the CC typist had no clue either. :(

— Or did you mean real subtitles, as for Korean dialogue?

HDNair

04-01-06, 06:43 PM

deeann

04-01-06, 06:52 PM

They're gonna be BIG when word gets out, wait and see!

PS: See post #14583

http://home.surewest.net/lurch/deeannjunk/dharmaos.jpg

Ken H

04-01-06, 06:53 PM

http://home.surewest.net/lurch/deeannjunk/dharmaos.jpgVery nice, as always.

PS. Still working your request.

petergaryr

04-01-06, 07:14 PM

Very, very funny, Pete! And you reminded me of some unanswered questions I'd forgotten all about, too. (Black Rock, dripping kids who talk backwards.) Now what would a board meeting of the top 4 sound like? Go ahead, give us some more belly-laughs.

I thought about it, but I'm not sure the dialog would be all that different. We viewers are like invisible team members (remote viewing). Presumably we know what they know. And as a quick look at the posts on this forum shows, we have more questions than answers.

Now, I will be interested in seeing what Locke shares about what he saw on the blast door. That would be a prime opportunity to get the group involved in trying to figure out what the diagram means. But, then again, I haven't seen them obsessive over the drawing on the wall that we picked apart.

maxman

04-01-06, 07:15 PM

Wow deeann! That's terrific - I love it!!!

tluxon

04-01-06, 07:19 PM

I guess I wasn't really listening to you (la la la la la) as you insisted that the door was still moving downward about a minute after Locke's legs were crushed beneath it. I can't accept that idea (again, la la la la la) because I'm convinced that a person's legs would not continue to offer resistance against such a strong force for more than a few seconds. ;)With these writers, there's really know way to know how much is shown for realism and how much is shown for dramatic effect, so you might as well loosen your grip on what you're "convinced" of. You have pointed out such inconsistencies yourself.

Since the door was fairly easily pried up the first inch or two by a relatively short crowbar and then required a greater struggle with a much longer weightlifting bar when it was lifted farther, it didn't seem like they were only lifting the weight of the door. Also, the way the toolbox seemed to hold it for a few seconds and then suddenly collapsed as if there was a sudden addition of force made it impossible to know for certain how much force was bearing down on Locke's legs at any one point in time.

But I know what you mean about being skeptical that putting those weights under the door would provide much relief to the pain Locke might have been felt. Probably just for dramatic effect.

petergaryr

04-01-06, 07:22 PM

But I know what you mean about being skeptical that putting those weights under the door would provide much relief to the pain Locke might have been felt. Probably just for dramatic effect.

Well, that and to make sure the doors didn't come down fully and chop his legs off.

maxman

04-01-06, 07:22 PM

Can someone tell me who deciphered the writing on the drawing; is it from official sources, and why would they release it?

petergaryr

04-01-06, 07:23 PM

Can someone tell me who deciphered the writing on the drawing; is it from official sources, and why would they release it?

More likely obsessive fans with a lot of time on their hands and a good Latin to English dictionary. :)

CPanther95

04-01-06, 07:26 PM

Apparently the producers supplied that mag with a clean copy of the drawing. I didn't consider that a spoiler since it was shown, just the resolution was insufficeint.

tluxon

04-01-06, 07:39 PM

In the preview for next week, do you figure that bald guy in the bathrobe that Hurley was chasing from the food drop was an Other?I'm surprised nobody has commented on that guy that Hurley brought attention to in the preview. He was clean-shaven, wearing a clean bathrobe, and Hurley didn't recognize him (making him apparently not a Lostie), yet he was apparently able to walk right up to the drop pile without being noticed by anybody else.

It looks like we may be seeing more of the Others (or other Others) pretty soon. Maybe he was sent to find out more about his buddy "Henry" or perhaps he was just scamming on some of the new supplies.

(The clock may have run out on Cinderella - Final Four)

maxman

04-01-06, 07:44 PM

Apparently the producers supplied that mag with a clean copy of the drawing. I didn't consider that a spoiler since it was shown, just the resolution was insufficeint.

That's what I mean - how did they clean up the resolution in order to read it? All we originally had was as in post #14260 which was illegible.

deeann

04-01-06, 08:05 PM

Ken and maxman, thanks!!!

maxman, the version of the map the magazine used could have been from a copy directly from original show art.

CPanther95

04-01-06, 08:22 PM

That's what I mean - how did they clean up the resolution in order to read it? All we originally had was as in post #14260 which was illegible.

They got it directly from the producers, not from the broadcast.

mr2828

04-01-06, 08:35 PM

I'm surprised nobody has commented on that guy that Hurley brought attention to in the preview. He was clean-shaven, wearing a clean bathrobe, and Hurley didn't recognize him (making him apparently not a Lostie), yet he was apparently able to walk right up to the drop pile without being noticed by anybody else.

It looks like we may be seeing more of the Others (or other Others) pretty soon. Maybe he was sent to find out more about his buddy "Henry" or perhaps he was just scamming on some of the new supplies.

(The clock may have run out on Cinderella - Final Four)

Seems more likely that Hurley is imagining the dude, hence no one else sees the guy.

Quinocampa

04-01-06, 10:13 PM

Seems more likely that Hurley is imagining the dude, hence no one else sees the guy.

Color me a spoiler, but he is Hurley's imaginary friend from the asylum.

maxman

04-01-06, 11:24 PM

Color me a spoiler, but he is Hurley's imaginary friend from the asylum.

You're no spoiler, just perceptive (assuming you're correct).

Gecko85

04-02-06, 04:20 AM

I guess I wasn't really listening to you (la la la la la) as you insisted that the door was still moving downward about a minute after Locke's legs were crushed beneath it. I can't accept that idea (again, la la la la la) because I'm convinced that a person's legs would not continue to offer resistance against such a strong force for more than a few seconds. ;)
His legs weren't offering resistance. The tool box was. Initially, the toolbox held, then it buckled under the weight, but didn't get completely crushed. It was holding back/slowing down the door, but it was only a matter of time before it gave further. Locke's efforts were more out of panic, and weren't actually helping, but if you were in his situation, I'm sure you'd try to hold the door up with your arms as well...even if it's not doing any good. The stack of weights did what the toolbox was originall supposed to do: stop the door from closing any further.

kmj0577

04-02-06, 06:25 AM

Hah! There are probably dozens of typos, substitutions of wrong words for right ones, faulty screen-positioning codes, etc., in every episode of every show on TV. Furthermore, Lost seems to be CC'd in real time without help from the script, increasing the error rate.

Sometimes I turn on CC (which requires a lot of button presses on an HD-TiVo) because neither of us at home could dope out what was said, and then we find out that the CC typist had no clue either. :(

— Or did you mean real subtitles, as for Korean dialogue?
Real subtitles.

They put "You're husband..." instead of "Your husband..."

Quinocampa

04-02-06, 10:48 AM

Real subtitles.

They put "You're husband..." instead of "Your husband..."

I caught this as well. This is an extremely pervasive error in American speech. Most often, I hear "your" when it should be "you're", but I've heard it the way they also misused it too. Then again, I do live in Indiana -- maybe they speak better elsewhere.

NetworkTV

04-02-06, 11:38 AM

I caught this as well. This is an extremely pervasive error in American speech. Most often, I hear "your" when it should be "you're", but I've heard it the way they also misused it too. Then again, I do live in Indiana -- maybe they speak better elsewhere.
It's not just where you are. It's all over. Another one is "there", "their" and "they're". Come to think of it, "its" and "it's" are often used incorrectly.

4HiMarks

04-02-06, 01:04 PM

It's not just where you are. It's all over. Another one is "there", "their" and "they're". Come to think of it, "its" and "it's" are often used incorrectly.

Lose and loose get used wrong so much, I hardly know which is right anymore.

-Chris

NetworkTV

04-02-06, 01:23 PM

Lose and loose get used wrong so much, I hardly know which is right anymore.

-Chris
Or is that wright or rite? ;)

maxman

04-02-06, 01:44 PM

Or is that wright or rite? ;)

Rite?

bobby94928

04-02-06, 01:46 PM

Rite?

rite
n.

1. The prescribed or customary form for conducting a religious or other solemn ceremony: the rite of baptism.
2. A ceremonial act or series of acts: fertility rites.
3. Rite The liturgy or practice of a branch of the Christian church.

rite

n 1: an established ceremony prescribed by a religion; "the rite of baptism" [syn: religious rite] 2: any customary observance or practice [syn: ritual]

ricwhite

04-02-06, 02:29 PM

Yes, words are often used incorrectly . . . for example, look at the sentences below.

Is it rite that we are posting about language in the LOST thread?

Is it wright that we are posting about language in the LOST thread?

Also, apostrophes are often missing in words. Such as these examples:

Dont you think we should get back on topic?

Im really getting tired of language posts in the LOST thread.

And finally, we often get homophones confused

People should get there posts back on target.

You aught to know better than to post stupid, unrelated things on the LOST forum.

dmbatch

04-02-06, 02:47 PM

You guys are to much.

keenan

04-02-06, 03:10 PM

uh...that would be too much.... :D

petergaryr

04-02-06, 03:21 PM

You can always tell when we have exhausted the theories about what actually happened on the last episode when we resort to grammar and homonyms.

It is something up with which we must put.

maxman

04-02-06, 03:25 PM

rite
n.

1. The prescribed or customary form for conducting a religious or other solemn ceremony: the rite of baptism.
2. A ceremonial act or series of acts: fertility rites.
3. Rite The liturgy or practice of a branch of the Christian church.

rite

n 1: an established ceremony prescribed by a religion; "the rite of baptism" [syn: religious rite] 2: any customary observance or practice [syn: ritual]

Doh! I'm brain dead today. Right?

UTV2TiVo

04-02-06, 05:04 PM

Man, this thread went downhill quick. Can't wait until Wed.

maxman

04-02-06, 05:27 PM

And it's only Sunday.

CPanther95

04-02-06, 05:33 PM

The quick decline is our fault, not the writers'. This week's episode gave us plenty to speculate about - but I think we've gotten rusty from all the off weeks and recent episodes with little substance. We spent about as much time trying to decipher the map as we did discussing Hurley's taste for ranch dressing. :)

kmj0577

04-02-06, 05:56 PM

It's not just where you are. It's all over. Another one is "there", "their" and "they're". Come to think of it, "its" and "it's" are often used incorrectly.
Sometimes I think it would have been better if conjunctions were never invented. They only confuse people now. I keep thinking sometime I will go cold turkey on conjunctions and tell my kids to not even bother with them (when I have them).

keenan

04-02-06, 06:13 PM

Sometimes I think it would have been better if conjunctions were never invented. They only confuse people now. I keep thinking sometime I will go cold turkey on conjunctions and tell my kids to not even bother with them (when I have them).
This is one of the reasons the English language is one of the hardest in the world to learn.

scowl

04-02-06, 06:40 PM

This is one of the reasons the English language is one of the hardest in the world to learn.
Are you folks talking about contractions (not conjunctions)? They're probably the easiest thing in English to learn. There's only a dozen of them and they're perfectly consistant. I guess that's why everyone has forgotten how to spell them.

Conjunctions on the other hand are very difficult to learn in English since they don't follow any rules.

CPanther95

04-02-06, 07:54 PM

BTW -

Credit for that magazine page (with the clear map) goes to Entertainment Weekly. The website that added translations blacked out the "EW" in the upper corner.

rezzy

04-02-06, 08:16 PM

Sometimes I think it would have been better if conjunctions were never invented. They only confuse people now. I keep thinking sometime I will go cold turkey on conjunctions and tell my kids to not even bother with them (when I have them).I thought they were contractions, but what do I know?

herdfan

04-02-06, 08:18 PM

It's not just where you are. It's all over. Another one is "there", "their" and "they're". Come to think of it, "its" and "it's" are often used incorrectly.
Are for our. Of course I live in West Virginia, so I get looked at funny when I use 2 syllable words.

maxman

04-02-06, 08:18 PM

I thought they were contractions, but what do I know?

Oh come on. Contractions are what women have prior to giving birth. I thought everybody knew that! :D

maxman

04-02-06, 08:20 PM

Are for our. Of course I live in West Virginia, so I get looked at funny when I use 2 syllable words.

"You'ens" is popular in Pennsylvania.

rezzy

04-02-06, 08:21 PM

This is one of the reasons the English language is one of the hardest in the world to learn.I think chinese (with its numerous inflections) gives english a big run for its money.

OK, enough with grammar lessons. *heh*

kmj0577

04-02-06, 08:44 PM

I thought they were contractions, but what do I know?
Eh, whatever they are. I do not care because they do not exist for me ;)

Gecko85

04-02-06, 10:19 PM

Conjunctions on the other hand are very difficult to learn in English since they don't follow any rules.
They never seemed so difficult to me:

Conjunction Junction, what's your function?
Hooking up words and phrases and clauses.
Conjunction Junction, how's that function?
I got three favorite cars
That get most of my job done.
Conjunction Junction, what's their function?
I got "and", "but", and "or",
They'll get you pretty far.

"And":
That's an additive, like "this and that".
"But":
That's sort of the opposite,
"Not this but that".
And then there's "or":
O-R, when you have a choice like
"This or that".
"And", "but", and "or",
Get you pretty far.

Conjunction Junction, what's your function?
Hooking up two boxcars and making 'em run right.
Milk and honey, bread and butter, peas and rice.
Hey that's nice!
Dirty but happy, digging and scratching,
Losing your shoe and a button or two.
He's poor but honest, sad but true,
Boo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo!

Conjunction Junction, what's your function?
Hooking up two cars to one
When you say something like this choice:
"Either now or later"
Or no choice:
"Neither now nor ever"
Hey that's clever!
Eat this or that, grow thin or fat,
Never mind, I wouldn't do that,
I'm fat enough now!

Conjunction Junction, what's your function?
Hooking up phrases and clauses that balance, like:
Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
He cut loose the sandbags,
But the balloon wouldn't go any higher.
Let's go up to the mountains,
Or down to the sea.
You should always say "thank you",
Or at least say "please".

Conjunction Junction, what's your function?
Hooking up words and phrases and clauses
In complex sentences like:

"In the mornings, when I am usually wide awake, I love
to take a walk through the gardens and down by the
lake, where I often see a duck and a drake, and I wonder
as I walk by what they'd say if they could speak,
although I know that's an absurd thought."

Conjunction Junction, what's your function?
Hooking up cars and making 'em function.
Conjunction Junction, how's that function?
I like tying up words and phrases and clauses.
Conjunction Junction, watch that function.
I'm going to get you there if you're very careful.
Conjunction Junction, what's your function?
I'm going to get you there if you're very careful.
Conjunction Junction, what's your function?
I'm going to get you there if you're very careful.

rezzy

04-02-06, 11:16 PM

Eh, whatever they are. I don't care because they don't exist for me.Fixed.

Quinocampa

04-02-06, 11:19 PM

They never seemed so difficult to me:

Conjunction Junction, what's your function?
Hooking up words and phrases and clauses.
.

Man, and I thought I typed out some long posts...

Quinocampa

04-02-06, 11:25 PM

BTW -

Credit for that magazine page (with the clear map) goes to Entertainment Weekly. The website that added translations blacked out the "EW" in the upper corner.

That's cool, so we know it is absolutely legit. You know though, I kind of liked it when I couldn't make out all the writing. That EW handed it to us, after it was handed to them, sort of says it wasn't all that important. The bigger question remains -- how will the folks use it? Will they seek out the other bunkers? Will we learn more about Sawyer's shark? Is the central bunker (the big ? ) a major mystery? If a future conflict (how quickly can you train an army?) ensues, will they be able to gain an advantage using the map? The possibilities are exciting.

playstat88

04-03-06, 12:45 AM

lol so hard to wait till wednesday, it was so great a few weeks ago when i was catching up on the episodes and i just watched one after the other....

scowl

04-03-06, 01:01 AM

I'd like to apologize to everyone for mentioning that typo on the subtitle. I had no idea it would lead to a Schoolhouse Rock song.

tluxon

04-03-06, 01:20 AM

That's cool, so we know it is absolutely legit. You know though, I kind of liked it when I couldn't make out all the writing. That EW handed it to us, after it was handed to them, sort of says it wasn't all that important. The bigger question remains -- how will the folks use it? Will they seek out the other bunkers? Will we learn more about Sawyer's shark? Is the central bunker (the big ? ) a major mystery? If a future conflict (how quickly can you train an army?) be able to gain an advantage using the map? The possibilities are exciting.I felt the same way about the authenticity of the glimpse (even with the HD freezeframe) given during the show. It kinda spoils it to get more information out of it than what was actual broadcast footage.

It looked to me like the map was on one of the blast doors. If so, there must be some way to get them to stay down for an extended time if someone was able to draw it. I don't think any of the Losties have figured out how to manually manipulate those doors, so I'll be interested to see if anyone looks for a way to do it. Just another little tidbit for the writers to tease us with.

ETphoneHome

04-03-06, 09:45 AM

On cnn.com this morning, "Giant C-5 military jet crashes in Delaware." The plane broke up into 3 sections, separating cockpit from mid-section from tail. Mid-section had the most intact. The break-up of this plane occurred on land, but, on LOST, if some magnetic force hit the plane in the air in a wave, wouldn't that have a similar effect as crashing on the ground?

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/US/04/03/c5.crash/story.site.close.wtxf.jpg

Link to story (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/03/c5.crash/index.html)

Quote from the article: Television images showed the plane had broken into at least three pieces, with the cockpit separated at a right angle from the rest of the fuselage. The broken-off tail assembly was several hundred yards away, AP reported.

Sounds just like the airplane on LOST.

All the people of this C-5 crash survived. I'm glad for that, but I keep checking for "Oceanic Airlines" markings on the plane somewhere.

I smell a new TV series called "FOUND" coming out of this, a character-based show like LOST, this time following the stories of military personnel who had been involved in a C-5 crash who are now evaluating the direction of their lives and, with this near-death experience, how they now want to change their lives and make it better. Complete with flashbacks of their woeful past. :eek:

CPanther95

04-03-06, 11:19 AM

The break-up of this plane occurred on land, but, on LOST, if some magnetic force hit the plane in the air in a wave, wouldn't that have a similar effect as crashing on the ground?

I'm not sure anyone has questioned how an aiplane could break up, the mystery is the 35,000 foot plunge after the break up.

rezzy

04-03-06, 11:26 AM

I smell a new TV series called "FOUND" coming out of this, a character-based show like LOST, this time following the stories of military personnel who had been involved in a C-5 crash who are now evaluating the direction of their lives and, with this near-death experience, how they now want to change their lives and make it better. Complete with flashbacks of their woeful past. :eek:LOL!

Quinocampa

04-03-06, 11:53 AM

I'm not sure anyone has questioned how an aiplane could break up, the mystery is the 35,000 foot plunge after the break up.

Has the show established from what height the plane fell after break-up? Surviving any in-flight plane crash is improbable, and probably one of the harder aspects of the show to believe. I know many forum participants want a more believable explanation. Let's say the show provides an explanation, such as the electromagnetic force theory, or the black cloud cushioning theory. In what way is it going to affect the story? From what I've gathered reading the posts, it will support the theory that Dharmites brought the plane down, and specifically these passengers for participation in their experiment. Now, let's say there is no further explanation -- what then? Or if the story doesn't go in the "only an experiment" direction?

Quinocampa

04-03-06, 12:07 PM

arock

04-03-06, 12:45 PM

Rumor has it ... (deleted rumor)
Quinocampa, this is the no spoilers thread. This is the second time in the past few days that you've discussed a rumor.

kmj0577

04-03-06, 12:50 PM

Reading the map leaves the impression that one guy was exploring the island in between clock resets. The Arrow bunker was the one found by the tail section survivors. Recalling the trek from their beach to the mid-section beach, did anyone get the impression that it was a hike of less than 108 minutes? I don't think it matters, but it seemed a bit of a stretch to believe that bunker could have been found and the explorer had enough time to return. That's less than an hour each way. Didn't the tail section group stop overnight near that creek?
Well, it's possible that it was two people. One explored the island while one waited for the code. But that depends on the handwriting being different. I don't know if one person wrote all the map. Although it's possible that the person came back and told the other person and one person drew the whole map since the other person may have sucked at doing layouts. But I think the whole map thing will be answered this season too.

Quinocampa

04-03-06, 12:55 PM

Quinocampa, this is the no spoilers thread. This is the second time in the past few days that you've discussed a rumor.

I wasn't aware that a rumor is the same as a spoiler. What if I start the rumor? What if the rumor is just the viewpoint of a friend of mine? Is there an official definition of spoiler for this forum? I do want to play by the rules, and I'm sure everyone else wants the same. I assumed a spoiler is the same as in the rest of the entertainment world, whereby someone discloses an ACTUAL plot point or fact obtained illicitly. For example, the best map we've all seen by now isn't considered a spoiler, since it was released to EW by the show's producers. Teasers for upcoming episodes are not spoilers for the same reason. Now, if I had seen an upcoming episode because I had inside connections with the network, and shared a plot point here, that would clearly be a spoiler. Rumors on the other hand are no different than our very own theorizing. If one of our theories becomes valid, what is the repercussion? At this point, I would take my usage of the word rumor very lightly. It is a simple way for me to disconnect myself from an idea I am posting. I don't always buy into what I discuss, like my theory that The Others are satanists.

maxman

04-03-06, 01:02 PM

I wasn't aware that a rumor is the same as a spoiler. What if I start the rumor? What if the rumor is just the viewpoint of a friend of mine? Is there an official definition of spoiler for this forum? I do want to play by the rules, and I'm sure everyone else wants the same. I assumed a spoiler is the same as in the rest of the entertainment world, whereby someone discloses an ACTUAL plot point or fact obtained illicitly. For example, the best map we've all seen by now isn't considered a spoiler, since it was released to EW by the show's producers. Teasers for upcoming episodes are not spoilers for the same reason. Now, if I had seen an upcoming episode because I had inside connections with the network, and shared a plot point here, that would clearly be a spoiler. Rumors on the other hand are no different than our very own theorizing. If one of our theories becomes valid, what is the repercussion? At this point, I would take my usage of the word rumor very lightly. It is a simple way for me to disconnect myself from an idea I am posting. I don't always buy into what I discuss, like my theory that The Others are satanists.

See post #7531.

CPanther95

04-03-06, 01:03 PM

Speculation isn't a spoiler. A "rumor" would be a spoiler if, like many rumors, it is based on info released not as part of the show.

The map wasn't considered a spoiler since it actually aired during the show. The fact that it came officially from the Lost producers had nothing to do with it. In fact, info released by the producers outside of the show would be considered one of the more obvious cases of spoiler material.

Another example of a spoiler (since deleted) would be providing a detailed description or synopsis of an upcoming episode. The only forward looking info allowed would be whatever is shown on the previews following the show.

squidboy

04-03-06, 01:21 PM

I'm not sure anyone has questioned how an aiplane could break up, the mystery is the 35,000 foot plunge after the break up.

I haven't watched the S1 DVDs in a while. Do we know that they were up at 35,000 feet?

Maybe this is what happened: Pilot was flying low to avoid the weather, the weird magnetics of the island threw off the instruments, and the plane bounced off the water (like a skipping stone) and broke up after the bounce. They would already be low to the ground, so there weren't as many casualties as would normally be expected.

Steve Schauer

04-03-06, 01:22 PM

From post #7351 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5957403&&#post5957403)
It doesn't matter how people may interpret anything. If it is speculation, it's OK, if it is info from another source, it is not speculation - it's a spoiler.
The enhanced map, if it did come from the producers and is information over and above what is broadcast on the episode, is aboslutely a spoiler.

Not that I care.

CPanther95

04-03-06, 01:24 PM

They mentioned the 35,000 foot altitude, plus we saw they were in the clouds (not storm clouds) when it broke up.

Steve Schauer

04-03-06, 01:25 PM

CPanther95

04-03-06, 01:26 PM

From post #7351 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5957403&&#post5957403)

The enhanced map, if it did come from the producers and is information over and above what is broadcast on the episode, is aboslutely a spoiler.

Not that I care.

The only "enhancement" to the map were the translations offered.

Steve Schauer

04-03-06, 01:28 PM

Really? I thought many of them were unreadable from the screen grab, and the producers released an enhanced still.

If not, you're right, it's speculation not spoiler.

petergaryr

04-03-06, 01:32 PM

I haven't watched the S1 DVDs in a while. Do we know that they were up at 35,000 feet?

Maybe this is what happened: Pilot was flying low to avoid the weather, the weird magnetics of the island threw off the instruments, and the plane bounced off the water (like a skipping stone) and broke up after the bounce. They would already be low to the ground, so there weren't as many casualties as would normally be expected.

When they showed the crash of the tail section, it looked like it was coming from a fairly good height.

CPanther95

04-03-06, 01:37 PM

Really? I thought many of them were unreadable from the screen grab, and the producers released an enhanced still.

If not, you're right, it's speculation not spoiler.

No way to determine how much of the material couldn't be resolved because of the distribution chain.

Actually, since nobody complained about it, I made a judgement call and used the above as the justification. ;)

Quinocampa

04-03-06, 01:37 PM

Possible spoiler: Cerberus is real. They just bought 51% of GMAC. Dan Quayle is involved. Dan Quayle is from Indiana. Quinocampa is from Indiana. I rest my case.

Many people would question whether Quayle is from Earth, let alone Indiana...

Quinocampa

04-03-06, 01:38 PM

Really? I thought many of them were unreadable from the screen grab, and the producers released an enhanced still.

If not, you're right, it's speculation not spoiler.

The EW grab is most certainly an enhanced map not able to be viewed in its form on the show. I didn't feel like CPanther95 spoiled anything though--since the producers leaked it. As has been speculated earlier though, my ethics may be in question.

petergaryr

04-03-06, 01:39 PM

Really? I thought many of them were unreadable from the screen grab, and the producers released an enhanced still.

If not, you're right, it's speculation not spoiler.

Lost is morphing even more into "interactive TV".

The actual show flashes a virtually unreadable drawing (even with HD) on the screen for a short period of time. Shortly thereafter the PRODUCERS are issuing a clean copy of it? What other show has this kind of dynamic???

I just wonder if the "average" viewer is as obsessive as we are.

Quinocampa

04-03-06, 01:40 PM

See post #7531.

What's the easiest way to jump to that post?

Flyer1

04-03-06, 01:45 PM

Well, it's possible that it was two people. One explored the island while one waited for the code. But that depends on the handwriting being different. I don't know if one person wrote all the map. Although it's possible that the person came back and told the other person and one person drew the whole map since the other person may have sucked at doing layouts. But I think the whole map thing will be answered this season too.

Perhaps desmonds partner before he/she went away. I don't recall if Desmond said anything about his partner being killed or what, perhaps the sickness? I don't remember :confused:

But one thing that does point to this being completed by one person is the notation on the map that says "estimated travel time incompatible with 108 do not attempt journey".

Quinocampa

04-03-06, 01:46 PM

But one thing that does point to this being completed by one person is the notation on the map that says "estimated travel time incompatible with 108 do not attempt journey".

which is why I wondered whether The Arrow could have been discovered with a 1-man expedition.

rdwalt

04-03-06, 01:47 PM

Many people would question whether Quayle is from Earth, let alone Indiana...

The same could be said about you.

CPanther95

04-03-06, 01:48 PM

since the producers leaked it.

To clarify, leaks from the producers are definitely (normally) considered spoilers.

PJREDD

04-03-06, 01:49 PM

Well, it's possible that it was two people. One explored the island while one waited for the code. But that depends on the handwriting being different. I don't know if one person wrote all the map. Although it's possible that the person came back and told the other person and one person drew the whole map since the other person may have sucked at doing layouts. But I think the whole map thing will be answered this season too.

Don't forget they found the handheld radio with working batteries in the Taillies bunker. Could have been used to communicate bunker locations/information back to the "map artist" in the Swan bunker.

Flyer1

04-03-06, 01:50 PM

which is why I wondered whether The Arrow could have been discovered with a 1-man expedition.

Perhaps when there were two of them, once made the trip and reported back that there is no way to make it there and back in 108min.

Innova

04-03-06, 01:51 PM

What's the easiest way to jump to that post?

The whole post was quoted above, but there is quite a bit of discussion about what is a spoiler in the posts before and after it:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5957403&&#post5957403

rdwalt

04-03-06, 01:51 PM

What's the easiest way to jump to that post?

It's not 7531 but it works. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5226432&&#post5226432

jasonblair

04-03-06, 02:15 PM

Hah! There are probably dozens of typos, substitutions of wrong words for right ones, faulty screen-positioning codes, etc.,— Or did you mean real subtitles, as for Korean dialogue?He didn't mean the closed captioning, he meant the REAL subtitles for the Koreans.

They used "You're" when the correct word was "Your"

PJREDD

04-03-06, 02:18 PM

After looking at the "Map" some more, it looks like there is another section of the Losties hatch/bunker (the Swan) that used to be connected but is no longer accessible from inside.
Looking at the drawing of the Swan, I would guess that the square area at the end of the bottom right corridor is the hatch the losties first entered the bunker through.
If this were true, than it looks like there could be another hatch on the left side of the Swan bunker, the area that is no longer connected.
Could make for an interesting discovery in a future episode?

jasonblair

04-03-06, 02:30 PM

I caught this as well. This is an extremely pervasive error in American speech. Most often, I hear "your" when it should be "you're", but I've heard it the way they also misused it too. Then again, I do live in Indiana -- maybe they speak better elsewhere.I'm from Indiana, so I'm interested in your comment... I always thought "You're" and "your" were homophones? What am I missing here?

According to the pronunciation key on dictionary.com, they are pronounced the same.

(I'd cut and paste, but for some reason the "schwa" symbol doesn't paste in this site.)

jasonblair

04-03-06, 02:38 PM

Possible spoiler: Cerberus is real. They just bought 51% of GMAC. Dan Quayle is involved. Dan Quayle is from Indiana. Quinocampa is from Indiana. I rest my case.

GM to sell 51 pct of GMAC to Cerberus group (http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/reuters04-03-060922.asp?t=renew&vts=4320061009)
As a trademark attorney, I run into this fallacy a lot. People think that if a company has a trademark, they are the only ones using it. This is absolutely untrue...

Another company can use the same mark IF that company is in an unrelated field.

For instance, Redenbacher Aircraft Engines.... no one would think they had anything to do with popcorn, so the two companies can co-exist.

Finding a company named "Cerberus" doesn't mean anything as it relates to the show.

Whitearrow

04-03-06, 02:54 PM

I don't see why so many people are dising Syzygy.

I read this thread about every day. Reading about nanobot thinking smoke supply blast door virus organ stealing button pushing mind control reading magnetic time warping immaculate concepting experiments. Sometimes I laugh, sometimes I just wonder about people.

Has Syzgy been attacking people? I only started reading this thread about 3-4 months ago so maybe I missed it.

Well, if people are dissing him, it may be that he's making his arguments in such emphatic terms that it kind of implies we're also stupid if we enjoy the show. It's one thing to be constructively critical -- it's another just to hurl insults. I would strongly disagree that the writers/producers are arrogant, stupid, or lazy. (If he really thinks that, why on earth is he watching the show, much less spending time posting about it?)

Anyway, for me, some of the things that he raises may be realistically valid, but they're not relevant to whether the show is good. Yes, the whole "why isn't it raining" thing was done to create a cool reveal -- and it worked, because of how it was played and how the shots were framed. Was it realistic? No. Did I care? No. :)

Again, for me, the overarching point is whether a show works on an emotional level -- whether I'm interested in the characters and find their stories compelling. That's the point of Lost as far as how I'm concerned -- the human interaction in the crucible of this experience. The island's mysteries, the maps, etc. are fun, but as far as I'm concerned, they're the "filler" -- it's the character stories and emotions that are the most important part. When those start to conflict internally or not make sense, then I'll worry.

Seeing the show that way, it makes it pretty easy to gloss over with a handwave logical inconsistencies about balloons or whatever people are complaining about this week.

Steve Schauer

04-03-06, 02:57 PM

I'll tell you what I thought was unrealistic. Kate said she wanted to get naked in the hatch and Jack said no.

R11

04-03-06, 03:07 PM

Quinocampa, I don't want to search back through the last four pages of posts about grammar, word usage etc to find it, but you asked why people keep referring to nanobots when the producers had denied their existence in the show. IIRC, the post you made that linked their denial was highly ambiguous. They stated that the black clouds were not nanobots, but then further clarified the statement by adding something to the effect that it all depended on how you defined nanobots... The black smoke may or may not be nanobots, but the statement seemed very much like an attempt just to throw doubt in the minds of viewers who thought they had it figured out. Far from definitive IMO.

Syzygy, I don't want to go back to find your post either but all I can say is I'm sure glad I don't have to watch TV with you :p. On Saturday after the Final Four games ended I noticed that ABC was re-airing the last LOST ep so I flipped over and caught the whole thing except for the very beginning where Sayid, AL and Charlie found the balloon. I watched it with an eye toward the gripes you made earlier in the week. All I can say is that at best you are one nit picking son of a gun. And in some cases you were just plain wrong (your issue with the Locke/Helen/two thugs scene regarding the contents of the bag, which Locke readily handed over for inspection after a brief moment of wordless suspicion - very believable to me give the circumstances). Do you find you have trouble getting people to go to the movies with you?

ron

scowl

04-03-06, 03:12 PM

The actual show flashes a virtually unreadable drawing (even with HD) on the screen for a short period of time. Shortly thereafter the PRODUCERS are issuing a clean copy of it? What other show has this kind of dynamic??
I hope that as the show progresses we discover that everything on that elaborate map actually means something and isn't a bunch of gibberish someone slapped together like those Rambaldi illustrations on Alias. By publishing the map, I assume this means they won't be changing the map or adding to it whenever they come up with a story that contradicts something on it.

philw1776

04-03-06, 03:27 PM

I'll tell you what I thought was unrealistic. Kate said she wanted to get naked in the hatch and Jack said no.

Actually when Jack told her "the pipes are broken" I'd hoped Kate would offer to clean his pipes. Maybe it's just me projecting.

ETphoneHome

04-03-06, 03:30 PM

I'll tell you what I thought was unrealistic. Kate said she wanted to get naked in the hatch and Jack said no.
Yeah, I'm gonna quit watching this show, it's so unbelievable. :rolleyes:

LOL Steve! Good one. Or are you Scott? I always get those two mixed up... :D

Quinocampa

04-03-06, 03:37 PM

The same could be said about you.

troll.

Hey everybody! We found the one guy that voted for Quayle!

Quinocampa

04-03-06, 03:39 PM

Quinocampa

04-03-06, 03:41 PM

Well, if people are dissing him, it may be that he's making his arguments in such emphatic terms that it kind of implies we're also stupid if we enjoy the show. It's one thing to be constructively critical -- it's another just to hurl insults. I would strongly disagree that the writers/producers are arrogant, stupid, or lazy. (If he really thinks that, why on earth is he watching the show, much less spending time posting about it?)

Anyway, for me, some of the things that he raises may be realistically valid, but they're not relevant to whether the show is good. Yes, the whole "why isn't it raining" thing was done to create a cool reveal -- and it worked, because of how it was played and how the shots were framed. Was it realistic? No. Did I care? No. :)

Again, for me, the overarching point is whether a show works on an emotional level -- whether I'm interested in the characters and find their stories compelling. That's the point of Lost as far as how I'm concerned -- the human interaction in the crucible of this experience. The island's mysteries, the maps, etc. are fun, but as far as I'm concerned, they're the "filler" -- it's the character stories and emotions that are the most important part. When those start to conflict internally or not make sense, then I'll worry.

Seeing the show that way, it makes it pretty easy to gloss over with a handwave logical inconsistencies about balloons or whatever people are complaining about this week.

Well done.

maxman

04-03-06, 03:46 PM

Actually when Jack told her "the pipes are broken" I'd hoped Kate would offer to clean his pipes. Maybe it's just me projecting.

Living vicariously, are we?

petergaryr

04-03-06, 04:34 PM

I hope that as the show progresses we discover that everything on that elaborate map actually means something and isn't a bunch of gibberish someone slapped together like those Rambaldi illustrations on Alias. By publishing the map, I assume this means they won't be changing the map or adding to it whenever they come up with a story that contradicts something on it.

Perhaps the producers have decided that by giving us "Easter eggs" it will increase the following, although Lost still seems to be lurking in the top 10.

I believe that the Rambaldi illustrations will all be explained, and all loose ends in Alias will be explained to the full satisfaction of all of its fans.

I also believe a large rabbit will be leaving me multi-colored chicken ovum in a couple of weeks.

bobby94928

04-03-06, 05:55 PM

I'm from Indiana, so I'm interested in your comment... I always thought "You're" and "your" were homophones? What am I missing here?

According to the pronunciation key on dictionary.com, they are pronounced the same.

(I'd cut and paste, but for some reason the "schwa" symbol doesn't paste in this site.)

They are not homophones. One is pronounced yu'r the other yor. One is a contraction for "you are" the other the possessive form of "you." The first example is something like "you are there" or "you're there." The second is simply "mine or yours."

rezzy

04-03-06, 06:28 PM

Lost is morphing even more into "interactive TV".

The actual show flashes a virtually unreadable drawing (even with HD) on the screen for a short period of time. Shortly thereafter the PRODUCERS are issuing a clean copy of it? What other show has this kind of dynamic???

I just wonder if the "average" viewer is as obsessive as we are.Obsessive as Y'all are. I predicted several pages back that the show will go interactive. Got nobody but A.I. to thank for that. Or the idea-stealin' producers. :mad:

tluxon

04-03-06, 06:48 PM

troll.

Hey everybody! We found the one guy that voted for Quayle!First of all, you brought Quayle into the conversation (for your own benefit, I presume). rdwalt makes a flippant remark that you opened yourself up to by introducing unnecessary nonsense in the first place. Now you call him a troll and dis Quayle again.

It's pretty weak to attack someone who just replied to your opening with a retort. And by the way, I didn't vote for Quayle either, but he's as worthy of respect as you or I or rdwalt.

As for the 108 minute exploration limit noted on the map, it's intriguing to think about, but something that may have been added to the map after the "incident" (if there ever was one) mentioned in the Dharma film. We really don't have a good sense of whether or not the map was made in one setting by only one "artist", but I think it's likely that it was a work in progress. Perhaps some of the information on it came from Dharma or from something Dharma left behind at or nearby the bunker.

JeffAtlanta

04-03-06, 06:49 PM

I predicted a several pages back that the show will go interactive. Got nobody but A.I. to thank for that. Or the idea-stealin' producers. :mad:
I'm confused. What is Allen Iverson's connection to Lost?

rezzy

04-03-06, 06:55 PM

I'm confused. What is Allen Iverson's connection to Lost?American Idol.....though AI refers to a number of other things. Artificial Intelligence, Allen Iverson, so on and so forth. Stick around, they may connect Iverson. Stranger things have happened.

JeffAtlanta

04-03-06, 06:56 PM

They are not homophones. One is pronounced yu'r the other yor.
They can be pronounced the same. See dictionary.com for "your" and "you're". The two words can be pronounced differently but they can also be pronounced the same.

jasonblair

04-03-06, 07:12 PM

They are not homophones. One is pronounced yu'r the other yor. One is a contraction for "you are" the other the possessive form of "you." The first example is something like "you are there" or "you're there." The second is simply "mine or yours."I KNOW what they mean... but I don't pronounce them any differently, and if you look in the dictionary, they have the same pronunciation key.

Maybe they pronounce the two words differently where you are from, but it is NOT incorrect to pronounce them the same.

Just because I pronounce "TIN" and "TEN" the same doesn't mean I'm stupid. I know what the difference is.

Some people just love to be high and mighty, I guess.

jasonblair

04-03-06, 07:14 PM

troll.

Hey everybody! We found the one guy that voted for Quayle!Let's see here... Quayle was the Junior Senator from Indiana for 2 or 3 terms? I think it was 2. Since there are about 6 million people in Indiana, and let's say 1/3 of them vote, and 51% voted for him, that's at least 1 million people who voted for Quayle, at minimum.

jasonblair

04-03-06, 07:16 PM

I'm confused. What is Allen Iverson's connection to Lost?I really thought that A.I. was one of Speilberg's worst films.

rdwalt

04-03-06, 07:35 PM

troll.

Hey everybody! We found the one guy that voted for Quayle!

Awwww, what's the matter? Did I hurt your feelings? I'll be more considerate in the future considering how sensitive you seem.

:p

scowl

04-03-06, 07:47 PM

I really thought that A.I. was one of Speilberg's worst films.
But it had the best, most incredible online promotion ever! It was better than the film!

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/coming.attractions/stories/aibuzz.html

Here's a more comphrehensive link (http://www.cloudmakers.org/guide/#intro)

HDNair

04-03-06, 08:21 PM

American Idol.....though AI refers to a number of other things. Artificial Intelligence, Allen Iverson, so on and so forth. Stick around, they may connect Iverson. Stranger things have happened.

Allen Iverson's nickname is "The Answer". I doubt anyone can connect him to "Lost". If his nickname was "The Question", maybe...

Gecko85

04-03-06, 08:28 PM

Allen Iverson's nickname is "The Answer". I doubt anyone can connect him to "Lost". If his nickname was "The Question", maybe...
They were going to bring in "The Answer" for the series finale, but Coach K and Jerry Coangelo (sp?) conspired to keep him off the cast. Rumor has it JJ Reddick might replace him instead...

Quinocampa

04-03-06, 09:18 PM

I don't know if anyone here follows Prison Break, but tonight's episode clearly showed some inspiration from LOST. First, they chose to add backstories to several of the main characters. Second, one major character's path prior to prison crossed with that of another in an anonymous fashion. Nice to know some writers appreciate LOST's style enough to give it a shout out on their time.

Quinocampa

04-03-06, 09:19 PM

Awwww, what's the matter? Did I hurt your feelings? I'll be more considerate in the future considering how sensitive you seem.

:p

I love you guys! We ought to go shopping for shoes sometime.

Quinocampa

04-03-06, 09:21 PM

Allen Iverson's nickname is "The Answer". I doubt anyone can connect him to "Lost". If his nickname was "The Question", maybe...

Hey! You must watch The Office. That was pretty funny.

Quinocampa

04-03-06, 09:29 PM

I tell you all something. Figure out a simple way to do it, and I'll buy all of you a beer. This forum is really something else. It is amazing how much spelling correction, irritability, piss in the fruit loops, panties in a bunch camraderie that goes on here. One guy makes a joke, ten others jump in his face. One guy gets hurt because someone steps higher than him, then he lashes out at another. I don't know the girl/guy ratio here, but we're all a little guilty of sorority whinging. I swear, if we all have to get drunk and commiserate on my dime, I swear I'll do it! If we can't debate each others' theories and have a little fun in the process, why do we all keep showing up here? It's creepy, I tell ya! Now, somebody go tell Ricky to take me off Ignore, so I can change my tag line and share the beer with him.

CANNON-FODDER

04-03-06, 09:35 PM

What's the easiest way to jump to that post?Always late to the party, but...

The quick way to find post number XXX (7531)without a link in a long (LOST?) thread:
Open the thread and click on a page number or the "next page" arrow.
If it is in the same thread you are reading, you may want to right-click and "Open in a new Tab/Window" from the current page.
Look in the browser's Address field:http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=449662&page=491&pp=30Find (or modify) your number of posts per page from the &pp=YY.
Divide XXX by YY (7531/30=251.03)
Round this up, and change the page field to this result $page=ZZZ ($page=252)http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=449662&page=252&pp=30
That one comes out really well - taking you right to the post, but most come out somewhere down bellow on the page.

v/r,
C-F