"My problem with the ads on this show is not necessarily the total time, but the frequency of breaks. It seems to me they have more, shorter breaks than most 1-hour programs do."

I'm pretty sure Lost has the same thing going on as Alias often does.

There is often a long sequence during the show that runs without a commercial break. As a result, the remaining breaks come unusually close together.

While I understand people find this annoying, I don't understand how any semi-serious TV fan doesn't already have a DVR. Get one.

Mark

Originally posted by tbb1226
The TiVo guide makes the adjustment (scheduled from 8 to 9:01 ET) - but guess what? Last week's Lost episode was 61 minutes and ~20 seconds, plus previews! Padding still required. That's why I wish there was an HD version of my SD UTV. It automatically pads 5 minutes after the show (provided both tuners aren't in use in the next hour). Even most newsbriefs that push back the start time of a show don't cause me to miss the end.

Originally posted by rogo

While I understand people find this annoying, I don't understand how any semi-serious TV fan doesn't already have a DVR. Get one.

Mark

Which HD-DVR do you recommend for a Comcast Moto-6200 cable STB? ;)

Jim

Originally posted by keenan
Which HD-DVR do you recommend for a Comcast Moto-6200 cable STB? ;)Seriously… HD-DVR's are only just barely becoming an option, and as great as an HD-TiVo may be, it's still not worth the $900+ along with DirecTV's Half-definition content, regardless of how "temporary" or not it may be. As for the Dish 921 and Motorola 64xx's… :rolleyes:

Keep your fingers crossed for a Moxi with a massive hard drive…

Then just get an HD recorder to pick up the slack. I've been recording HD since Summer 2001 with my 2 HiPix cards. They don't get much use now since I got a couple of HD-TiVos, but I will still use them for the occasional show or movie.

Let's keep on topic.

Originally posted by mboland
It is nice to see some fresh ideas get picked up. I loved CSI when it was new but this 3 shows of it is getting old. CBS has CSI and NBC has Law & Order. I'm sick of getting into a show and then it get the ax. I love Alias and it looks like it is in trouble. I thought "Tru Calling" was a cool idea and that one may not even get to air the 6 epesode 2nd season.

I just wish some of these shows would get picked up by a smaller network or a cable ch. I don't like the corp line on a show like Alias. "Yeah it's good but it's not going higher and we need to give another show a shot to bring in huge numbers". WB, UPN, or a station like TND, FX, USA, SciFi would love to have a show like Alias or Tru Calling. That way we get to keep our shows and the Networks be happy as well. I guess the main thing keeping that from happening is a show like Alias costs so much to make.

so what you're saying is to expect ABC to introduce 3 more Lost series, Lost: NY, Lost: Iraq and Lost:Siberia, to follow suit ? Can you say hot Russian chicks in bikinis in -40 degree weather???

So NBC moved LAX into the Hawaii timeslot and up against Lost. That should kill LAX fairly fast.

IMO, there is nothing on NBC that even comes close to Lost.

Originally posted by dmbatch
So NBC moved LAX into the Hawaii timeslot and up against Lost. That should kill LAX fairly fast.

IMO, there is nothing on NBC that even comes close to Lost.

Ha! Bring it on.

LAX will become EX-LAX!

Originally posted by hefe
Ha! Bring it on.

LAX will become EX-LAX!

One would almost think that NBC did that to hasten it's demise...

Heather Locklear or Evangeline Lilly, sorry Heather....

Jim :D

Originally posted by keenan
Heather Locklear or Evangeline Lilly ....
Was there ever a more pressing need for a dual tuner PVR? :)

I'll take both please. :D Dual tuner DVR!

thank goodness I have two Comcast dual dvr's and a myhd for backup if cable goes out:D

Originally posted by dmbatch
So NBC moved LAX into the Hawaii timeslot and up against Lost. That should kill LAX fairly fast.

IMO, there is nothing on NBC that even comes close to Lost.

I'm ELATED after hearing word of this news....my wife (don't forget the WAF of this whole HD thing now...) is now COMPLAINING that NBC did this....for now she has to CHOOSE which one of these HD presentations she watches....and LOST wins out of course! So, in MY household, I'm hoping that THIS ONE SINGLE solitary move hastens her UNDERSTANDING of the NEED for the D* HD-TIVO! Or several of them.....

Quite Macchiavellian eh?

:D

If LAX bites the dust....

maybe Heather Locklear will pop-up somewhere on the "LOST" island???

I wouldn't mind that at all!!! As long as she doesn't have "Billy" tag along...

Can you say hot Russian chicks in bikinis in -40 degree weather???

"Hot Russian Chicks" is an oxymoron.

So NBC moved LAX into the Hawaii timeslot and up against Lost. That should kill LAX fairly fast.

Ex-Lax.

;) ;) ;)

That does seem pretty dumb. I sort of like LAX and I can HD record both Smallville & Lax given both a PCHD card and the Moto 6208. But I have to remember to bring up the 2nd computer before going to work if I want to add the 3rd HD show and I probably won't usually bother. Oh well. Bye Heather. :(

BTW, I had some trepidation about reading and posting on this thread at 8:15 due to possible spoilers while I'm building PVR slack. But I guess it was safe this time.

- Tom

I bet the two folks in the cave are Amelia Earhart and her navigator.

The ABC station here in Dallas(WFAA) jumped the gun again today, they flipped the SD switch at 7.59pm. They seem to be a in a hurry to get to SD programming, don't know why....

Interesting show tongiht.. i knew that lady spoke english.. i just hope somehting starts to happen soon.. its getting kinda slow.. not too bad.. nice shots of kate haha..

Chris

The white and black stone clinched it for me. The wierd animals and such must be there for the reason I suspected...

Originally posted by maxman
"Hot Russian Chicks" is a oxymoron.

obviously, someone who has never been to St. Petersburg, or Georgia

as much as alias has gone down the tubes, i have to say that j.j. abrams' style and presentation in Lost and Alias is remarkable..the only other show that comes close in terms of production quality is CSI Vegas

tonight's episode was really good

Still very impressed. Reminds me of an HBO series more than network TV. And still great pq and sound :)

Enjoyed the show. Didn't enjoy the lack of HD in the Salt Lake City area ......again! Last week the first 10 minutes was SD before it switched to HD. Today, the whole episode was in SD. Can we say "incompetent."

Originally posted by maxman
"Hot Russian Chicks" is a oxymoron.

Two words...Anna Kournikova

Oh...and I always pad a minute on the end with my DVR...according to my SA8000HD, tonight's show ended (plus previews) with 2 minutes recording time left.

That is actually a plausable theory.


Originally posted by rcwalters
I bet the two folks in the cave are Amelia Earhart and her navigator.

Originally posted by tcosson
The white and black stone clinched it for me. The wierd animals and such must be there for the reason I suspected...

Sorry but I'm not sure what you are referring to?

I'm actually quite surprised with the lack of posts about tonights episode. Although I guess nothing really happened but I had a few questions:

1. What do you suppose the Korean womans father does? My brother guessed organized crime.

2. What did she ask the black guy when she asked for help?

The more they talk about time (i.e. tonight about the time it would take clothes to degrade, etc.) the more it seems like they did end up in the future or something. I also got the distinct feeling the bodies might be those of Jack and Kate.........

He said degradation like that takes 50 years........ granted I know next to nothing about flying, but in 1954 there wasnt much for commercial flights was there? Not to mention, was there a commercial plane with a range of 1000 miles back then?

1. What do you suppose the Korean womans father does? My brother guessed organized crime.

2. What did she ask the black guy when she asked for help?

I also got the distinct feeling the bodies might be those of Jack and Kate.........
1. I'd guess organized crime, too, masquerading as ligitimate industry until daddy needs somebody beat up (or worse).

2. We don't know...they didn't show that...

3. I like the idea that the bodies are those of Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan (her navigator).

--Dan

"He said degradation like that takes 50 years........ granted I know next to nothing about flying, but in 1954 there wasnt much for commercial flights was there? Not to mention, was there a commercial plane with a range of 1000 miles back then?"

The Lockheed Super Constellation of the 50s had a range in excess of 4600 miles.

http://www.superconstellation.ch/default.aspx?language=en

Originally posted by tcosson
The white and black stone clinched it for me. The wierd animals and such must be there for the reason I suspected...

and what theory would that be??

She probably asked him to return the watch...

In one of the earlier episodes Locke was playing backgammon....and he mentioned white and black and they showed the white and black game pieces. I'm guessing that Locke is ground zero for the whole "adventure" they are in for :D

I love the way we get slow reveals on different characters. Changes your entire perception of them once you know their backstory.

Who's up next week? I'm thinking Charlie.

Somebody may have said this before, but it seems that virtually everyone was on this plane due to unforeseen or unwanted circumstances.

Kate was captured. The Korean woman (Sun, was it?) never originally intended to be on this flight. She changed her mind. Locke's expedition ended prematurely. Jack had to go look for his father. The girl who drowned came home early because she got sick and couldn't scuba dive...

"Fate" as Charlie's original hand sign said. Interesting to see how fate or whatever put these people one that plane.

In the lack of continuity department, did anyone notice in the flashback when the husband is washing the blood off in the bathroom that his shirt, right sleeve specifically, is smeared with blood, but in the last camera shot as he reaches into the sink, the sleeve is perfectly clean?

Originally posted by hefe
In the lack of continuity department, did anyone notice in the flashback when the husband is washing the blood off in the bathroom that his shirt, right sleeve specifically, is smeared with blood, but in the last camera shot as he reaches into the sink, the sleeve is perfectly clean?
You missed the product placement for "Oxi-Clean". :D

Has anyone figured out why the watch was on the plane to begin with? It looked like the Korean man had his own watch (though I could be confused with the handcuffs), and it didn't look like the woman's father was on the plane.

The husband was protecting the watch, but I just wonder its purpose.

:confused:

Best moment for me was Locke's statement to Charlie that the island will give you what you need, but you have to give something back.

Now look up!

Wow.

The best moment for me was when Charlie said to Kate, "Really I thought they were C's".

That was funny.

I am not exactly sure why taking your clothes off is a good way to prevent bee stings, but whatever Kate wants to do is fine with me. :D

I just figured they would jump in the water.

Originally posted by maxman
"Hot Russian Chicks" is a oxymoron.

2 words: Anna Kournakova

oh, and what about that new Russian tennis player, the one with actual skills

As we learn more about the characters, we're left to guess more about the island. Nice tactic.

Boy, I had the Korean couple pegged all wrong. She was so timid of him that I thought they had an arranged marriage or something. The organized crime angle was interesting. I like that she can speak English. That could open up some interesting stuff.

it also seems that it's turning into an us vs. them, the people on the beach vs. those by the fresh water. Hope this show isn't going to turn into Survivor, with the twist that the winning team gets to eat a member of the losing team for dinner...

Originally posted by durl
As we learn more about the characters, we're left to guess more about the island. Nice tactic.

Boy, I had the Korean couple pegged all wrong. She was so timid of him that I thought they had an arranged marriage or something. The organized crime angle was interesting. I like that she can speak English. That could open up some interesting stuff.

For the first 1/2 hour I thought she told her husband that the black guy saw her bathing....or the husband saw and didn't do anything at the time.

Nice change up.....but as someone else said, where did the watch come from? And why was it even on the plane ?!?!

And how is it that Hurley's batteries STILL work? And who was that singing the closing song ?!?! A young Willie Nelson? :confused:

I don't want to be pessimistic because I think this show is great, but I wonder where they're going to go with things.

I guess they can still do a bunch of flashback episodes:

1. The guy with the accent that pushes everyone's buttons
2. The man from Iraq
3. The black guy and his son
4. The heavy kid
5. The pregnant girl
6. The couple with the skinny blonde
7. Charlie

But what next? I guess the recurring theme among the passengers we've had flashbacks for is that everyone has experienced some hardship that has led to them being on that flight, almost as if they "saved" from dealing with something difficult.

So, they all get a chance to "start over" on this island where Kate is no longer a criminal, Locke gets to walk, Jack doesn't have to deal with his father's death, etc.

Do they just hang out for the next 40 years dealing with the occasional problems that crop up in a society? Heh, this show truly has me thinking. :)

It makes you think, but it also makes me wonder...how far in advance have the writers actually thought out what's going to happen on all these plot lines, and how much are they just "winging it" as time goes on?

Originally posted by NorthJersey
it also seems that it's turning into an us vs. them, the people on the beach vs. those by the fresh water. Hope this show isn't going to turn into Survivor, with the twist that the winning team gets to eat a member of the losing team for dinner...

More like The Stand by Stephen King. I saw an interview with one of the writers in which he alluded to some parallels with The Stand.

are we certain from any of the past episodes that Jack was actually a practicing doctor before the crash?

The line "look up" to Charlie was cool, but do you think that Locke spotted the guitar case earlier when they first got to the caves and used the info to play charlie into giving up the drugs?

The other thing I noticed was when Locke said to Charlie, I know who you are, your the bass player from drivshaft, and Charlie added that he also played guitar on a few tracks, that charlie just happened to be carrying an acoustic guitar on the plane not his bass. Bass guitar would be pretty useless on an island with no amp and electric...

Good Ep...

Kate is obviously getting sexually frustrated. She wanted Jack to take her right then and there last night. Jack you IDIOT!!!!

Real World: Lost

Originally posted by barhoram
are we certain from any of the past episodes that Jack was actually a practicing doctor before the crash?

In the first episode Jack tells Kate a story about one of his surgeries in residency. But as we see in every episode, things are not always what they seem.

OK... so the ax can't cut through bamboo after several hacks... but it can slice through the handcuff chain in one shot?

I do love this show... another great episode.

Originally posted by mx6bfast
Kate is obviously getting sexually frustrated. She wanted Jack to take her right then and there last night. Jack you IDIOT!!!!

Real World: Lost
I had been thinking about this already, but that part makes me wonder even harder if maybe Jack is gay. Think about it; his Mom says something about what he did to his Father, Kate has been practically throwing herself at him to no avail, etc. Not that there is anything wrong with that!!

Originally posted by labmansid
I had been thinking about this already, but that part makes me wonder even harder if maybe Jack is gay. Think about it; his Mom says something about what he did to his Father, Kate has been practically throwing herself at him to no avail, etc. Not that there is anything wrong with that!!

I hadn't even considered that! What would be even better if the "bad guy" was gay too. Poor Kate... stuck on an island and the two best looking guys are gay... that fat guy's going to start to look good after a while.

:D

Sadly, I don't believe this is the case...

I was thinking last night, when they found the dead corpses, that this is some sort of deja-vu thing that happens over and over, 1 plane crashes, the survivors are there, the equivalent of "jack" and "kate" die on those 2 ledges, then the next plane crashes with the same group of people years later, they die, and so on... but if the transmission really was only 16 years old, then that wouldn't work, as Jack hinted that the bodies had been there for maybe 50 years, but he could be wrong.

Maybe they have somehow transported into the future, and all the wreckage they found in the jungle, and the dead bodies, was from their own crash, but had been there for 50 years already. But then, that wouldnt explain the guitar and clothes hanging from the cliff that looked like they had only been there a few days.... That's why this series is so great!

It's like that line by Owen Wilson in Armageddon, where he's "98% scared and 2 % excited, or maybe its 2% scared and 98% excited, I dont know, that's why its soooo.... intense!"

I don't get what the big deal is with "cave vs. beach". How hard is it to take turns staying at the beach, looking for planes/boats and keeping the signal fire going? Even if it's a 2 hour hike to the cave (I have no clue how far away it really is), it seems like you could just have rotating groups of people who would stay at the beach for 2 or 3 days at a time.

What really happened with the Korean couple?

Speculation:

Perhaps the husband changed up their flight plans and is surprising his wife, or they had to change airlines, or for some reason they are not on the plane she originally thought they would be. If so, they may be in the wrong terminal or even wrong airport for her to make her escape. Looking at the clock, she could be realizing that here chance to get away was gone.


And I've hear other people ask, why was her father's watch even on the plane? That's a good question...

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
... the equivalent of "jack" and "kate" die on those 2 ledges,...

I think that's what scares Kate. Like Sayid, she doesn't want to admit defeat. Going to live in the cave is like saying you're going to die there. She is afraid of becoming one of those corpses.

Originally posted by GlendaleHDTV
I don't get what the big deal is with "cave vs. beach". How hard is it to take turns staying at the beach, looking for planes/boats and keeping the signal fire going? Even if it's a 2 hour hike to the cave (I have no clue how far away it really is), it seems like you could just have rotating groups of people who would stay at the beach for 2 or 3 days at a time.

Actually, I think one of the characters even said something like that. The answer was that going to the caves was about giving up hope of rescue. Those that choose to stay on the beach are refusing to admit that they may never get off the island.

Originally posted by hefe
What really happened with the Korean couple?

Speculation:

Perhaps the husband changed up their flight plans and is surprising his wife, or they had to change airlines, or for some reason they are not on the plane she originally thought they would be. If so, they may be in the wrong terminal or even wrong airport for her to make her escape. Looking at the clock, she could be realizing that here chance to get away was gone.


And I've hear other people ask, why was her father's watch even on the plane? That's a good question...

Speculation isn't a spoiler. No spoiler alert necessary.

Originally posted by Darth Mo
I don't want to be pessimistic because I think this show is great, but I wonder where they're going to go with things.

I guess they can still do a bunch of flashback episodes:

1. The guy with the accent that pushes everyone's buttons
2. The man from Iraq
3. The black guy and his son
4. The heavy kid
5. The pregnant girl
6. The couple with the skinny blonde
7. Charlie

But what next? I guess the recurring theme among the passengers we've had flashbacks for is that everyone has experienced some hardship that has led to them being on that flight, almost as if they "saved" from dealing with something difficult.

So, they all get a chance to "start over" on this island where Kate is no longer a criminal, Locke gets to walk, Jack doesn't have to deal with his father's death, etc.

Do they just hang out for the next 40 years dealing with the occasional problems that crop up in a society? Heh, this show truly has me thinking. :)

You hit the nail on the head. It is Gilligan's Island part 2.

Originally posted by NorthJersey
2 words: Anna Kournakova

oh, and what about that new Russian tennis player, the one with actual skills


That would be Maria Sharapova.

Originally posted by mx6bfast
Kate is obviously getting sexually frustrated. She wanted Jack to take her right then and there last night. Jack you IDIOT!!!!

Real World: Lost

What made you think that? It seemed to me that she just wanted Jack to acknowledge that he liked her or thought that she was good looking.

Originally posted by maxman
Speculation isn't a spoiler. No spoiler alert necessary.

Just being courteous...

Originally posted by hefe
In the first episode Jack tells Kate a story about one of his surgeries in residency. But as we see in every episode, things are not always what they seem. personally, i think that jack was a practicing surgeon at one point, but wasn't at the time of the crash...some where along the way he prolly quit practicing (or was forced to) and that's what his mother is referring to...that was my first thought when i saw his flashback episode.

as for the Korean woman...i think she had all intentions to flee from her husband and father, but got cold feet at the last minute. in last night's ep, u can see her look out at a car sitting in front of the terminal. from the look of it, i think she saw what her husband could be/was when he held up the flower that he gave her months/years before.

sturmie

Originally posted by PJO1966
that fat guy's going to start to look good after a while. In a Donner Party sort of way... :)

Originally posted by Sturmie
personally, i think that jack was a practicing surgeon at one point, but wasn't at the time of the crash...some where along the way he prolly quit practicing (or was forced to) and that's what his mother is referring to...that was my first thought when i saw his flashback episode.

as for the Korean woman...i think she had all intentions to flee from her husband and father, but got cold feet at the last minute. in last night's ep, u can see her look out at a car sitting in front of the terminal. from the look of it, i think she saw what her husband could be/was when he held up the flower that he gave her months/years before.

sturmie

Yes, and with the tatoos, which Kate noticed last night(?), there's more to his story than we know. I think she was surprised to see tatoos because you wouldn't imagine a serious surgeon with tats.

And I agree about the Korean couple. She chickened out, didn't go, he held up the flower, and she changed her mind. As far as the father's watch goes, maybe it was a gift that was in their suitcases. He was "protecting (my) father's honor" by attacking the guy, is what she said.

Originally posted by cyberbri
And I agree about the Korean couple. She chickened out, didn't go, he held up the flower, and she changed her mind. As far as the father's watch goes, maybe it was a gift that was in their suitcases. He was "protecting (my) father's honor" by attacking the guy, is what she said.

There's a good chance that's all it is, but we never heard what the car would look like. So there was a car out there, maybe not her car.

She was told at 11:15 there would be a car waiting outside. At the airport she looks up, it's 11:15, outside there's a car waiting. She starts to go outside, but changes her mind, looks back and sees him with the flower, and goes to his side. There was no indication, apparent to me, anyway, that the car outside was someone else (she didn't seem surprised/scared, etc.), and the way it looked to me was that she almost left him, but changed her mind. :)

She starts to go outside, but changes her mind, looks back and sees him with the flower, and goes to his side.

Another "fresh start".

Originally posted by Sturmie
personally, i think that jack was a practicing surgeon at one point, but wasn't at the time of the crash...some where along the way he prolly quit practicing (or was forced to) and that's what his mother is referring to...that was my first thought when i saw his flashback episode.

as for the Korean woman...i think she had all intentions to flee from her husband and father, but got cold feet at the last minute. in last night's ep, u can see her look out at a car sitting in front of the terminal. from the look of it, i think she saw what her husband could be/was when he held up the flower that he gave her months/years before.

sturmie On Jack, I still like the theory that he turned his father in to the medical board for drinking on the job or something along that line anyway. As far as Sun goes, I agree 100% with you. It seemed pretty clear to me that they were trying to show her on the verge of making the break, and then bailing when the moment of truth came, because of her conflicted feelings for her him.

I like multiple layer type shows and this one has many. For all those who keep worrying about where it can/will go, just enjoy it now while it's good. If it turns bad, quit watching and find something new then :D.

ron

If I remember correctly the intercom said something about now boarding for Singapore. And everyone on the flight was going back to the great USA.
So maybe they changed flights to go to America where she wanted to go.

I wonder if that was just a random announcement. Personally, I doubt all these people would have been in line to check in, not worried about the clock at all, as their plane was boarding. The Korean couple were behind Jack, who was trying to get the coffin on the plane...

Originally posted by snowcat
Has anyone figured out why the watch was on the plane to begin with? It looked like the Korean man had his own watch (though I could be confused with the handcuffs), and it didn't look like the woman's father was on the plane.

The husband was protecting the watch, but I just wonder its purpose.

:confused: The black father mentioned that it was a $10,000 watch. My theory is that the husband stole the watch to finance a get-away from the criminally-inclined father to appease the wife's displeasure with how he (the husband) had changed since going to work for the father. OR, the husband killed his father-in-law, thus the blood, and stole the watch ....
YMMV

Anyone know if last nights episode will be re-aired? I was stuck at work, have no Tivo and am absolutely livid about it! :)

Seriously, any chance? It's the only one I"ve missed and all this talk about Kate is making it worse! :)

Last nite's episode mixed it up a little. Makes it more interesting, I'd say.

Originally posted by jaypb

And how is it that Hurley's batteries STILL work? And who was that singing the closing song ?!?! A young Willie Nelson? :confused:

Seems to be the version of "Are You Sure" from Willie Nelson, Crazy-The Demo Sessions (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000083MF7/ref=pd_rhf_p_1/002-8307379-3429657?v=glance&s=music&no=*). That would be 1960-66.

Originally posted by MrMike6by9
. OR, the husband killed his father-in-law, thus the blood, and stole the watch ....

my vote.

Originally posted by rcwalters
I bet the two folks in the cave are Amelia Earhart and her navigator.

Originally posted by Kamakzie
That is actually a plausable theory.

I agree - very plausible. Some quick calculations:

"6 hours in radio went out - turned back to land in Fiji - hit turbulance and ended up 1000 miles off course."

6 Hours @ 565 mph = 3390 miles
Sydney to Fiji = 1959 miles. (Fiji is directly in the flight path from Sydney to Hawaii)
Fiji to Hawaii = 3197 miles

So radio went out approx. 1431 past Fiji. That's less than 100 miles north of the equator.

Howland Island (Earhart's next intended destination) is 500 miles West of the LOST flight path right on the equator. Earhart was flying almost due East from New Guinea along the equator (or close anyway).

Assuming Earhart came up a couple hundred miles short of Howland Island, and the LOST plane made it's turn to the West to head back to Fiji - the LOST island could easily be a common nav point.

Originally posted by cyberbri
I wonder if that was just a random announcement. Personally, I doubt all these people would have been in line to check in, not worried about the clock at all, as their plane was boarding. The Korean couple were behind Jack, who was trying to get the coffin on the plane...

That announcement was for a plane boarding, but if that was Jin's flight, he wouldn't have been standing so calmly and patiently in the ticketing line.

Not much discussion of the black and white stones found in the pouch with one of the dead bodies. Very reminiscent of Locke and his creepy backgammon scene...one side white, the other black...maybe symbolic of the 2 "camps" that are developing? Seems symbolic of some sort of conflict, anyway. The polar bear was a white bear...maybe there will be a black bear too ;)

Korean couple went to Australia to pickup something and instead of heading back he surprised her with a trip to America. So now she is trying to decide to go through with original plan or go with him to the states. Seeing the flower probably helped her make up her mind.

Originally posted by jgibo1
Korean couple went to Australia to pickup something and instead of heading back he surprised her with a trip to America. So now she is trying to decide to go through with original plan or go with him to the states. Seeing the flower probably helped her make up her mind.

But if they were on a surprise flight, how would the car to pick her up know where to be? How could it be right outside that ticketing desk?

The black father mentioned that it was a $10,000 watch.

I think he said $20,000 watch.

I don't think the Korean couple were 'going away' per se. I believe they were returning from a trip in Australia and USA was a layover. I recall seeing where the father lived and it all seem like Korean style houses / community.

As far as the watch, perhaps it was a special gift from a 'connected' family in Australia and the son-in-law was the delivery person ?

Originally posted by snatch
Anyone know if last nights episode will be re-aired? I was stuck at work, have no Tivo and am absolutely livid about it! :)

Seriously, any chance? It's the only one I"ve missed and all this talk about Kate is making it worse! :)

It is scheduled to be replayed on Saturday November 6 at 8pm, followed by next Wednesday's (11/3) episode at 9pm.

Originally posted by PDPnNJ
I don't think the Korean couple were 'going away' per se. I believe they were returning from a trip in Australia and USA was a layover. I recall seeing where the father lived and it all seem like Korean style houses / community.

As far as the watch, perhaps it was a special gift from a 'connected' family in Australia and the son-in-law was the delivery person ?

Layover to where? You don't stop in LA to go from Sydney to Korea...

I don't think the couple would be flying to the US as a "layover" back to Asia, that makes no sense. I definitely was trying to figure out why they were in Australia in the first place, and thn going to the US. I figured she would go with him to the US and THEN ditch him at the airport there. I'm sure the watch was just in his luggage and it ended up out on the beach. The wife knew about it, so I dont think the watch could be anything sinister, or a symbol of anything crime-related.

Also, about Amelia Earhart, I hope that this ISNT it. I just think that would be way too corny, and wouldnt be an "amazing" revelation to anyone. Plus, with all the twists and turns that the rest of the show has, I dont think it could have anything to do with anyone else other than those currently stranded on the island. It would make no sense with how the rest of the show is going if they found these 2 random people that have nothing to do with the show. It'd be like if they made is so they landed on the island with Gilligan's crew, that would be pointless. The dead bodies HAVE to relate to Jack and Kate in some way or another, whether it could actually be them from the future, or their prior life version, or something like that.

I don't think he killed the father. The scene in the bathroom was more like explaining that the husband was doing whatever it took to be able to be married to her, even if it meant doing the father's dirty work. If that's what it took for him to be able to get the father's permission, it's what he had to do. But he started to change, things became more about material gifts, his attitude was different ("get the dog off the couch!"), and she couldn't deal with it anymore. So she secretly learned English and was planning an escape while they were in Australia, about to get on a plane. She was going to lie low there until they stopped looking.

Why they had the watch, I dunno. It's probably nothing important and won't come up - just a way to have the guy put it on, the husband see it, attack him, and bring in the story of the wife wanting to run away. Maybe a small hole in the plot, hoping people wouldn't focus on "why" they had the watch. There was no talk of the father dying - unless the bathroom scene was a year or two ahead of the planned escape (giving her time to learn English), and something happened during that time. But I don't think they'll come back to it. Each week seems to have a different background story.

And I was wondering about the batteries in the CD player as well. But how many days has it been? Maybe 3 or 4 total?

I think the Koreans were living in Sydney and the son-in-law was working for her father there.

I also agree that the watch was probably a gift for the father from some "business" person and was entrusted to the son-in-law for delivery.

What i can't figure out is why they were on a plane to LAX.

Isn't it possible they were just on vacation, visiting Australia and LA? They're rich, after all. And if the husband was going on 'business,' I wonder if he would take his wife with him.

Going on vacation together to another country would be the perfect cover for her escape. He doesn't speak English, she ends up missing in Australia, he's about to leave (and possibly ends up on the plane) for LA, etc.

The Korean couple, they were redecorating their home weren't they? (vacation home mabye?) She said money was no object regarding the cost of redecorating right?

Maybe they were on vacation while their home was being redecorated. Who the hell would want to live through that if they didn't have to? If they have enough money they could come home from vacation to a newly decorated home... very civilized if you ask me.

the "redecorating the home" was just a cover for her friend to be there and provide the travel documents and "kidnap" details

I thought the redecoration was just a cover up so Sun could plan her escape?

I hope they do a little more flashback to the couple to explain why they were in Australia, and why they were headed to LA... I would think maybe its some sort of business trip for the husband, since he was wearing a shirt and tie in the airport, unless thats customary even when on vacation.

Originally posted by Innova
I thought the redecoration was just a cover up so Sun could plan her escape?

even though it was a cover doesn't mean they weren't actually decorating.

Originally posted by dmbatch
I think the Koreans were living in Sydney and the son-in-law was working for her father there.

If they lived in Sydney, the husband would probably know some English.

The Korean wife was going to file for divorce. Her husband did what her father wanted him to do to including murder. Where do you think all that blood came from?

My impression was that that scene/flashback was to show: 1) they were now very rich (where the husband had been poor - a waitier - before they got married), and 2) that he was throwing money at it rather than being involved with it with the wife, and at the same time, sitting on the couch, talking business, being mean about getting the dog (which he gave her) off the couch.

Another theory for Jack is that if you take into account how he hourded the small liquor bottles from the stewardess on the plane, that he was once a surgeon, but lost his license to practice for being drunk on the job. Realizing he's also a drunk, he blames his father and beats the crap out of him. The father feels guilty and runs away to Sydney.

As for the Korean couple, seems odd to be that the husband first appears as a waiter at the home of his soon to be father-in-law, and then later employed by him. Why would the father hire a waiter to be his assassin ? Are there a shortage of assasins in Korea ?

I got the impression the alcohol was for sterilization, not drinking. I don't remember seeing him "drink," although I could be wrong.

Originally posted by Don H
Where do you think all that blood came from?

What if you guys got it all wrong? What if he's only a butcher?:p

Sterilization of what? Why would Jack need to sterilize anything on a plane? If a stewardess offered you free liquor bottles, you'd take them too! :)

Oh, on the plane... Forgot about that. Was thinking it was after the crash. Hehe.

He may not have been an alcoholic, but having just flown to Australia to bring back his alcoholic father, only to find that he had died, and was at the time trying to get his father's body back to the US in a hurry to get the funeral overwith, I imagine a little liquor might take the edge off. :)

Originally posted by Darth Mo
I guess they can still do a bunch of flashback episodes:

1. The guy with the accent that pushes everyone's buttons
2. The man from Iraq
3. The black guy and his son
4. The heavy kid
5. The pregnant girl
6. The couple with the skinny blonde
7. Charlie

But what next? I guess the recurring theme among the passengers we've had flashbacks for is that everyone has experienced some hardship that has led to them being on that flight, almost as if they "saved" from dealing with something difficult.


Well we know that:
Ep 7 (The Moth) is a Charlie-Centrip episode
Ep 8 (Confidence Man) is a Sawyer-Centric episode
Ep 9 (Solitary) is a Sayid-Centric episode
Ep 10 (Raised by Another) is a Claire-Centric episode
Ep 11 is called "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues", so that is probably about the father/son
Ep 12 is called "The Case", so that will probably be about Kate and her secret, which will lead to a cliffhanger to the next season.

The only ones left are Harley, the brother/sister, and the black woman. Once they are done with everybody, then what? They will need more content to fill all the time used for character flashbacks.

Originally posted by hefe
If they lived in Sydney, the husband would probably know some English.

Not necessarily... in every large city there are pockets of neighborhoods where the people speak & understand their native language only. There are large ethnic-specific neighborhoods in Sydney & Melbourne.

Locke is the KEY.....

A) We know he has changed a great deal since coming to the island.
B) He is the only one to really see the "monster".
C) The backgamon stones were his and it's looking like I was right about my previous post that they would find something in the cave that would point toward someone.
D) Locke went from a crazy guy that nobody takes seriously to a guy who knows more than anyone.
E) Nobody has mention this one yet.....last night when he is talking with Charlie he tells him that he has to give the island something for the island to give him something. Charlie hands over the bag of drugs and then the "island" gives him the gitar. I just found it strange that the wording what the "island" and to us it appears like that "island" is Locke.

We pretty much know that Locke was a nutcase prior to this trip......I just hope all of this is not just in the head of this crazy man.

> I recall seeing where the father lived and it all seem like Korean style houses / community.

Well... It did look Far-East Asian, and it probably didn't matter to most Americans that it did look Chinese more than Korean. Not only the architecture, but all the interior decoration looked Chinese (not Korean). I sure wouldn't expect my wife to decorate like that. :p

I guess that was all they could find as the location went. Also, I am sure that the "home" was actually a hotel room (that whole "Korea" scene might have been shot in a hotel with Asian decor) because in the scene where Jin washes the blood off in the bathroom, I noticed that unmistakenable hotel blow hair dryer hanging on the wall. :p I guess they could redecorate a hotel room.

I have no idea why Sun and Jin was in Sydney (from Korea, I assume) and was off to the U.S. It could be related to the watch, but who knows.

I agree that the whole flashback for Sun and Jin was to set up their relationship: they came from different background, but were in love in the beginning; Jin got too involved with the "business", possibly to prove himself to the father-in-law, and started to change (maybe more reminiscent of Sun's father). She seriously thought of leaving Jin (and his father), but she changed her mind: a fresh start for them.

Anyway, the show seems to turn really into a non-reality version of "Survivors"... :)

Hong.

Originally posted by Chriš
...
The only ones left are Harley, the brother/sister, and the black woman. Once they are done with everybody, then what? They will need more content to fill all the time used for character flashbacks.

There are 40+ people on the island. We haven't seen most of them, they could make three seasons of shows, with just one flashback per person. I'm not saying that they will....but they could.

Originally posted by Innova
The best moment for me was when Charlie said to Kate, "Really I thought they were C's".

That was funny.

I thought that line was hilarious.

My questions/theories....

What is with all the 'find out something, hide it from others'?
What significance did the b/w stones have for Jack?
My 1st thought on the corpses was (sci fi hat on) it was Jack and Kate...
Kate feels that staying at the caves not only means no rescue, but Jack doesn't seem interested.
DOES NO ONE CARE THAT THERE'S A FREAKING TREE SIZED ANIMAL/MONSTER/MACHINE/ ON THE ISLAND?!? no way am I staying in those caves.
Looks like they're leaving holes in the flashbacks so they could actually cycle thru them a 2nd time with more detail.

But, the show's got me asking questions and checking each week to find answers so it must be doing something right.

tony

Originally posted by Don H
The Korean wife was going to file for divorce. Her husband did what her father wanted him to do to including murder. Where do you think all that blood came from?

Divorce was not an option. She wanted to appear kidnapped and eventually dead.

I think whatever is on the island (including Locke) is lonely and doesn't want anybody to be rescued or leave. This could be why: in episode 9 Sayid's life in in danger after he finds the source of the transmission

EDIT: Maybe not lonely, but doesn't want the island's secrets to be revealed.

Why do people assume that just because Jin had blood all over him that he's an assassin? Perhaps he's just the Korean version of "Rocko and the boys" and was just sent to "lean" on somebody for the father. Chances are if he were an assassin, he wouldn't even have had blood on himself. Don't they generally like to work quick and clean (like with a gun for instance)?

ron

Originally posted by PJO1966
OK... so the ax can't cut through bamboo after several hacks... but it can slice through the handcuff chain in one shot? Bamboo is very tough and tends to compress and shove your axe back at you. It's kind of like cutting through thick rubber. Hardened steel can shatter under an axe or even a heavy rock and those steel links were a lot thinner than the bamboo.

Besides, breaking the chain is up there with shooting a lock out or hacking a password in 5 seconds... Types furiously.. "OK! Im in". Its typical suspend reality for TV type of stuff.

Locke said to Charlie that to get what he wants from the island he must give something first.

If that's true, what did Locke give to the island?

Hong.

Originally posted by R11
Why do people assume that just because Jin had blood all over him that he's an assassin? Perhaps he's just the Korean version of "Rocko and the boys" and was just sent to "lean" on somebody for the father. Chances are if he were an assassin, he wouldn't even have had blood on himself. Don't they generally like to work quick and clean (like with a gun for instance)?

ron

Why do we assume it was blood? I assumed Jin had to take on a second job and return to his roots as a waiter in the evenings to pay for his wife's outlandish redecorating bill (I have felt that way in the past and it adds to the realism of the show for me). Maybe he lost a battle with a Heinz bottle.

P.S. The Heinz reference was a joke - Please don't reply indicating that you know personally that Heinz is not imported into the Pacific Rim. Seems like a lot of know-it-alls in the Lost thread.:p

Originally posted by mr b

DOES NO ONE CARE THAT THERE'S A FREAKING TREE SIZED ANIMAL/MONSTER/MACHINE/ ON THE ISLAND?!? no way am I staying in those caves.


The reasoning was that there would only be one entrance, so they could guard/watch it easier - easier than being on a beach with no walls/protection, where the attack could come at any time from any direction.


I also agree that it would be good if they did shifts, with 2-3 people staying on the beach to watch the fire.

But the black/white stones in the pouch didn't remind me of Locke's game. I thought the pieces for the game were round or something. These seemed like squarish pebbles, or at least they did at the time. I could be wrong, though.

Originally posted by hongcho
Locke said to Charlie that to get what he wants from the island he must give something first.

If that's true, what did Locke give to the island?

Hong. Good question. I say it was his soul...

ron

Originally posted by cyberbri
But the black/white stones in the pouch didn't remind me of Locke's game. I thought the pieces for the game were round or something. These seemed like squarish pebbles, or at least they did at the time. I could be wrong, though.

The pebbles didn't look identical to the backgammon pieces that Locke had. But, for me, the symbolism was there....black...white stones....just like the symbolism stood out to me when Locke was talking to Walt about the game and he emphasized light and dark...black and white with the game pieces. Seems that there's probably symbolism ALL AROUND on this show...kind of reminds me of reading the "Red Badge of Courage" in High School....:D

Originally posted by Chriš
Well we know that:
Ep 7 (The Moth) is a Charlie-Centrip episode
Ep 8 (Confidence Man) is a Sawyer-Centric episode
Ep 9 (Solitary) is a Sayid-Centric episode
Ep 10 (Raised by Another) is a Claire-Centric episode
Ep 11 is called "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues", so that is probably about the father/son
Ep 12 is called "The Case", so that will probably be about Kate and her secret, which will lead to a cliffhanger to the next season.


ABC ordered the rest of the season. 22 episode total.

I think it is strange that the dead bodies were so intact. At least, they appeared that way to me during their brief on-screen moments. Wouldn't the wild animals on the island make a dead body a ravaged lump of torn flesh and broken bones? Is this just another "suspend reality" incident?

Originally posted by stephenC
I think it is strange that the dead bodies were so intact. At least, they appeared that way to me during their brief on-screen moments. Wouldn't the wild animals on the island make a dead body a ravaged lump of torn flesh and broken bones? Is this just another "suspend reality" incident?

Being that it's a remote island, there is a good chance that it isn't populated with many scavenging animals.

Most predators won't touch dead "prey," so it's conceivable that the bodies could lie undisturbed for decades.

Black and White stones, hmmmmm. Yin and Yang? Chinese Astrology? Good and Evil? Light and Dark?

Originally posted by Darth Mo
Being that it's a remote island, there is a good chance that it isn't populated with many scavenging animals.

Most predators won't touch dead "prey," so it's conceivable that the bodies could lie undisturbed for decades.

I was thinking about the wild boars seen in an earlier episode. Here is a link with information about that species.

http://www.issg.org/database/species/ecology.asp?si=73&fr=1&sts=

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho

Maybe they have somehow transported into the future, and all the wreckage they found in the jungle, and the dead bodies, was from their own crash, but had been there for 50 years already. But then, that wouldnt explain the guitar and clothes hanging from the cliff that looked like they had only been there a few days.... That's why this series is so great!



so this reminds me of the movie THE FINAL COUNTDOWN (http://imdb.com/title/tt0080736/)...

thank goodness for bees... ;)

Originally posted by Darth Mo
Being that it's a remote island, there is a good chance that it isn't populated with many scavenging animals.

Most predators won't touch dead "prey," so it's conceivable that the bodies could lie undisturbed for decades.
Maggots like dead prey.

Originally posted by hongcho
Well... It did look Far-East Asian, and it probably didn't matter to most Americans that it did look Chinese more than Korean. Not only the architecture, but all the interior decoration looked Chinese (not Korean).
It's actually Japanese. They filmed the exterior at the Byodo-In Temple in Kaneohe. It's a replica of a 900 year-old temple in Uji, Japan.

http://satftp.soest.hawaii.edu/space/hawaii/vfts/oahu/kaneohe/ground.3_1.400x268.jpg

And the "Sydney Airport" is the Hawaii Convention Center. :)

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/travel/tg/lp/fa/500x500_fa754dcd10a4077a57034c8f2bd3d4c2.jpg

This is cool, we have our own "inside photo guy" for Lost, thanks for the pics.

Jim :)

Originally posted by stephenC
I was thinking about the wild boars seen in an earlier episode. Here is a link with information about that species.

http://www.issg.org/database/species/ecology.asp?si=73&fr=1&sts=

Quoted from the article above:

"In addition to their impact on native wildlife and native plant/animal communities, pigs adversely affect agricultural crops, including sugar cane. They also damage planted forests by digging up young trees and eating their roots."


So the "monster" really is the Queen Mother Boar knocking down those trees.:D

That must be some boar to have yanked the pilot out of the cockpit 30 feet up in the air. I would have to assume that if a boar did grab him it would have eaten him. He would have just been a bite-sized snack for something that big.

This show is great....

(yes, I say that every week... :) )

So much symbolism... the black & white stones... battle between light & dark... good & evil... and now the group is splitting up? hmmm.. the cave dwellers - dark.. the beach dwellers - light

This show just keeps you wanting more, and only gives you enough to still keep you wanting more...

I recall in previous posts someone mentioned that JJ Abrams was saying (about the show) that symbolism is everywhere... eventually it will begin to tie together...

The dead bodies in the cave... weren't there three? (I'm gonna have to go back and check...) but 16 years of decay? Jack says closer to 50 years, but who knows?

Also, the Locke/Charlie encounter with the drugs/guitar... I think it is clear that Locke saw the guitar before confronting Charlie... He was so sure that Charlie would see his guitar again, enough to be able to play him into giving up the drugs....

Originally posted by Chriš
Well we know that:
...Ep 9 (Solitary) is a Sayid-Centric episode...

Let's see...my vote for a Sayid backstory: he is a terrorist who set off a bomb that brought the airliner down...now he has an opportunity to redeem himself by helping them survive.

The Island would like that.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
The dead bodies in the cave... weren't there three? (I'm gonna have to go back and check...) but 16 years of decay? Jack says closer to 50 years, but who knows?


The people from 15 years ago may have nothing to do with the people that were found in the cave. Probably two different groups of people that ended up on the island.

Originally posted by Chriš
The people from 15 years ago may have nothing to do with the people that were found in the cave. Probably two different groups of people that ended up on the island.

I agree. I would expect the ones in the cave to be the first ones as Locke called them "our very own Adam and Eve". The ones from 16 years ago were at least the 2nd generation of "Lost" folk if not more.

One thing that I did find strange after watching the cave scene a few times to get a better look at the stones was the way Jack, Kate, and Charlie all looked at eachother when Locke also gained knoledge of the remains of the people in the cave.

Originally posted by mboland
I agree. I would expect the ones in the cave to be the first ones as Locke called them "our very own Adam and Eve". The ones from 16 years ago were at least the 2nd generation of "Lost" folk if not more.

One thing that I did find strange after watching the cave scene a few times to get a better look at the stones was the way Jack, Kate, and Charlie all looked at eachother when Locke also gained knoledge of the remains of the people in the cave.

I thought the looks were because Charlie slipped and mentioned something about the radio message just as Locke walked in?

I love this thread!!!

I don't see what the point is of people witholding info (except for the convenience of the plot). For ex, if Jack wants to convince people of certain things, like move to the caves, shouldn't he disclose what he knows to make sure people know how serious their situation is. The only thing I might be evasive about is the monster, since I don't know what the hell it is and don't want to make people totally paranoid. But I would definitely say something like "there are some big wild animals around so be careful; don't go off by yourself" etc.

Originally posted by barth2k
I don't see what the point is of people witholding info (except for the convenience of the plot).

That's actually one of the few things I haven't liked about the plot so far. The same as when Sayid told the group that went bear hunting not to tell anyone else about the transmission from 16 years ago because it would cause them to lose hope or something silly like that. If I was one of the group, I'd be telling everyone around me to see what they thought about it and what it all meant.

The secrets each of them are keeping are obviously meant to maintain some suspense, and maybe there is also a sinister side to it, but it just doesn't seem to make sense.

Originally posted by mboland
I agree. I would expect the ones in the cave to be the first ones as Locke called them "our very own Adam and Eve". The ones from 16 years ago were at least the 2nd generation of "Lost" folk if not more.

One thing that I did find strange after watching the cave scene a few times to get a better look at the stones was the way Jack, Kate, and Charlie all looked at eachother when Locke also gained knoledge of the remains of the people in the cave.

This is one way they could do future seasons of the program. It would be pretty interesting if they went back to the prior lost "generation."

Originally posted by barth2k
I don't see what the point is of people witholding info (except for the convenience of the plot). For ex, if Jack wants to convince people of certain things, like move to the caves, shouldn't he disclose what he knows to make sure people know how serious their situation is. The only thing I might be evasive about is the monster, since I don't know what the hell it is and don't want to make people totally paranoid. But I would definitely say something like "there are some big wild animals around so be careful; don't go off by yourself" etc.

I wonder if another reason that Jack "wants" to be in the caves is because his father "led" him there ?!?!? Wonder if that sort of thing will be revealed in the next few episodes ?? :confused:

I'm thinking this show has had the desired effect that the writers/producers/directors envision a show having....which is to leave you wondering just WTF the plot is headed! :D

Originally posted by jaypb
I'm thinking this show has had the desired effect that the writers/producers/directors envision a show having....which is to leave you wondering just WTF the plot is headed! :D

One proof of that is this thread which has grown to 1400 posts and we haven't even gotten to the mid-point of the first season!

I wonder if another reason that Jack "wants" to be in the caves is because his father "led" him there ?!?!?
And just where is dear old dad? He's not in his casket...Undead, maybe?

All those dolls lying around, when Jack first found this place, reminded me of voodoo dolls...especially the one in the stream, underwater. Was that the drowned girl's doll, I wonder?...

--Dan

Originally posted by jaypb
I wonder if another reason that Jack "wants" to be in the caves is because his father "led" him there ?!?!? Wonder if that sort of thing will be revealed in the next few episodes ?? :confused:

I'm thinking this show has had the desired effect that the writers/producers/directors envision a show having....which is to leave you wondering just WTF the plot is headed! :D

Well, that plus he is looking at things with the practical perspective of a medical doctor. The first notion that they should come there happened when he thought about lugging 1/2 gallon of fresh water per person per day from the caves to the beach. 46 x .5 = 23 gallons per day = 184 pounds of water per day. (In those little plastic bottles?) Water and shelter are such fundamental needs, and Jack recognized that.

Maybe Jack really is wanting to "dig in" because he doesn't care if he gets off the island. Maybe there is some reason he doesn't care if he ever gets home??

Originally posted by jaypb
I'm thinking this show has had the desired effect that the writers/producers/directors envision a show having....which is to leave you wondering just WTF the plot is headed! :D

Yep, all part of the fun of the show.

It says a lot about how well they are keeping people interested by not revealing too much at once. Just enough information to answer some questions while generating a whole bunch more.

The key is going to be keeping a balance. If it moves too slowly people will lose interest. Same thing if the mysteries are all revealed too quickly.

I finally got to read the TV Guide article on "Lost". I don't remember much discussion about the comic book other than the polar bear tie in. The TV Guide article gives more details about which comic was used and what it was about. I'm curious what others participating in this thread and that read the article think of the comic book story line. Do we need to discuss this in spoiler tags? I don't really think we do, but I want to ask first. That's why this post is so cryptic and lacking in details.

Use spoiler for any discussion about future episodes that is based on anything more concrete than pure speculation.

Originally posted by hefe
Well, that plus he is looking at things with the practical perspective of a medical doctor. The first notion that they should come there happened when he thought about lugging 1/2 gallon of fresh water per person per day from the caves to the beach. 46 x .5 = 23 gallons per day = 184 pounds of water per day. (In those little plastic bottles?) Water and shelter are such fundamental needs, and Jack recognized that.

Maybe Jack really is wanting to "dig in" because he doesn't care if he gets off the island. Maybe there is some reason he doesn't care if he ever gets home??

I probably wouldn't care either if I was stranded with Evangeline Lilly!

And is it just my imagination, or when they are showing the opening credits (over top of the video), they always seem to show her name while she is being shown? I think I saw it the last three episodes that way.

And is it just my imagination, or when they are showing the opening credits (over top of the video), they always seem to show her name while she is being shown? I think I saw it the last three episodes that way.

I've noticed that, too. Since they aren't static credits, they seem to run all the actors names through, but they get the names of the actors in the scene just when they are on screen.

Originally posted by petergaryr
Let's see...my vote for a Sayid backstory: he is a terrorist who set off a bomb that brought the airliner down...now he has an opportunity to redeem himself by helping them survive.

The Island would like that.

Hmm, 'uncultured' American anyone? Actually, I'm wondering about the pictures he was so glad to have found? Wife/GF? Sister, what? Sounds like with his electronics knowledge he'd be the one to befriend. Though wonder what he has to 'give to the Island'?

I'm also curious about Sayid's nemisis: 'redneck' dude (ok, 'Cigarette Smoking Dude'). He seems to have got more to him than meets the eye (I also figure he wasn't the 'prisoner'), but, he seems to change from menacing to nice throughout the episodes.

As to too slow, it's when impatient American audience want a conclusion that the story ends. See, Twin Peaks (who killed Laura Palmer), X-Files (will Mulder and Scully get together). I guess I prefer to watch the show and let it work its way through--never understood the need for spoilers (what's the point of watching the show if you already know what's going to happen?)--or maybe you can't pay attention long enough to comprehend (or just get distracted during all the commercial breaks).

Originally posted by gaderson
Hmm, 'uncultured' American anyone? Actually, I'm wondering about the pictures he was so glad to have found? Wife/GF? Sister, what? Sounds like with his electronics knowledge he'd be the one to befriend. Though wonder what he has to 'give to the Island'?

I'm also curious about Sayid's nemisis: 'redneck' dude (ok, 'Cigarette Smoking Dude'). He seems to have got more to him than meets the eye (I also figure he wasn't the 'prisoner'), but, he seems to change from menacing to nice throughout the episodes.

As to too slow, it's when impatient American audience want a conclusion that the story ends. See, Twin Peaks (who killed Laura Palmer), X-Files (will Mulder and Scully get together). I guess I prefer to watch the show and let it work its way through--never understood the need for spoilers (what's the point of watching the show if you already know what's going to happen?)--or maybe you can't pay attention long enough to comprehend (or just get distracted during all the commercial breaks).

Well it isn't exactly a stretch to imagine an Iraqi former Republican Guard member having a terrorist connection. In fact it's such an obvious conclusion that it is the #1 reason I think Said had nothing to do with the crash...Abrams loves to dangle obvious suspects and then take it the other direction. Ironically he seems to be the one most concerned with law and order.

As for the redneck being or not being the prisoner, that was already determined in episode 2...Evangeline Lilly's character was.

You seem determined to insult your fellow watchers by claiming we have short attention spans or are 'uncultured'. I don't think any of us would be watching the show or posting here about it if that were true.

My main concern about the show is that it will shoot itself in the foot by either revealing too much too soon or not enough and too late. They also want to be careful about building up expectations via previews and then dashing them. Remember the show John Doe? Really good show, good acting, fun mysteries. But every other week they would dangle a red herring about John Doe's past and say 'Is this the secret to John Doe?' and of course every week it had nothing to do with anything, just a red herring. They had trapped themselves with the mystery...once it's revealed, would people still watch? We never got a chance to find out, because too many people tuned out before the end of the season, after a promising start. They were tired of being dangled with the reveal, only to see it yanked back.

Loving the show, can't wait until Wednesday.

Originally posted by jaypb
And how is it that Hurley's batteries STILL work? Maybe he has one of these: http://www.siliconsolar.com/small_solar_battery_charger.htm

;)

Originally posted by Iteki
They also want to be careful about building up expectations via previews and then dashing them.

They did that last week. They played the clip of Jack asking Kate "What exactly is it that you did?" Then they showed her mug shot. Whatever they showed left the impression that we'd find out what it was.

However, so far they have me hooked and tuning in every week. And there's zero chance that I'm going to miss it. So as far as regulating the pace at which they reveal info - they seem to have an acceptable level at this point.

Originally posted by gaderson


I'm also curious about Sayid's nemisis: 'redneck' dude (ok, 'Cigarette Smoking Dude'). He seems to have got more to him than meets the eye (I also figure he wasn't the 'prisoner'), but, he seems to change from menacing to nice throughout the episodes.



They still haven't addressed the letter he was reading in the first two episodes that made him show some strong emotions. Maybe he is the one in the spotlight for the "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues", episode. At least that would be my guess since cowboys is in the title.

Originally posted by Iteki
Well it isn't exactly a stretch to imagine an Iraqi former Republican Guard member having a terrorist connection. In fact it's such an obvious conclusion that it is the #1 reason I think Said had nothing to do with the crash...Abrams loves to dangle obvious suspects and then take it the other direction. Ironically he seems to be the one most concerned with law and order.

Just because someone is or was in the military for their country, it doesn't make them a terrorist. I guess that would make our Green Berets or Navy Seals terrorists to them. The Republican Guard is not Al Quaida. But I agree that the writers would assume many would make the connection.

Originally posted by gaderson

I'm also curious about Sayid's nemisis: 'redneck' dude (ok, 'Cigarette Smoking Dude').


Sawyer
----------------------------------------
Matthew Fox ... Jack (Doctor)
Evangeline Lilly ... Kate (Hot Babe)
Ian Somerhalder ... Boone (Young dark haired guy, brother of Shannon)
Dominic Monaghan ... Charlie (Hobbit Musician)
Jorge Garcia Hurley ... (Fat guy)
Maggie Grace Shannon... (Stuck up blonde chick)
Malcolm David Kelley ... Walt (Young boy)
Naveen Andrews ... Sayid (Iraqi guy)
Harold Perrineau ... Michael (Black guy)
Josh Holloway ... Sawyer (Blonde guy who stirs up trouble)
Terry O'Quinn ... Locke (creepy old guy who now can walk)
Daniel Dae Kim ... Jin (Korean guy)
Yunjin Kim ... Sun (Korean Woman)
Emilie de Ravin ... Claire (Pregnant girl)

Originally posted by hefe
Just because someone is or was in the military for their country, it doesn't make them a terrorist. I guess that would make our Green Berets or Navy Seals terrorists to them. The Republican Guard is not Al Quaida. But I agree that the writers would assume many would make the connection.

I agree, if that is the writer's intent, then they are simply playing to the ignorance of their audience and I for one think it's insulting, but, it's just a TV show, and a damn good one and if that feeds the story line then so be it. I'm like CPanther95, there is no way I'm missing this show short of a power blackout. :D

Jim

Originally posted by keenan
I agree, if that is the writer's intent, then they are simply playing to the ignorance of their audience and I for one think it's insulting, but, it's just a TV show, and a damn good one and if that feeds the story line then so be it. I'm like CPanther95, there is no way I'm missing this show short of a power blackout. :D

Jim

Well, yes, plus they could intentionally play into the ignorance of other characters. Maybe some others on the island feel that way. In the end, maybe he is, maybe he isn't. We just don't have enough info to know. Maybe he was a U.S. double agent while in the military. Anything is possible.

I do not get ABC HD on Comcast in Marietta, GA

Originally posted by hefe
Just because someone is or was in the military for their country, it doesn't make them a terrorist. I guess that would make our Green Berets or Navy Seals terrorists to them. The Republican Guard is not Al Quaida. But I agree that the writers would assume many would make the connection.

I never said he was, I said it wouldn't be a stretch to see that. We fear the unknown, and the Republican Guard doesn't exactly have the reputation for professionalism that our Special Forces do. He seems like a decent person, which is probably absolutely intentional on the part of JJ Abrams, fighting stereotypes.

Yeah, he said he was in Desert Storm which was back in '91. Many of the troops that were on the border just surrendered and never went back to Iraq. (probably been shot if they did) I never thought he was a terrorist or had anything to do with the plane crashing.

Originally posted by dmbatch
I never thought he was a terrorist or had anything to do with the plane crashing. Now, had he been a folk singer, I would have suspected him immediately ;).

Originally posted by DrDon
Now, had he been a folk singer, I would have suspected him immediately ;).

Only if it was his responsibility to fill the tank.

Yeah, he said he was in Desert Storm which was back in '91. Many of the troops that were on the border just surrendered and never went back to Iraq. (probably been shot if they did) I never thought he was a terrorist or had anything to do with the plane crashing.
The Republican Guard were not the troops that were on the front lines during Desert Storm. And soldiers in the Republican Guard were about as innocent and "just serving their country" as the boys in the Waffen-SS.

That generalization said, I also think Sayid is one of the good guys...

--Dan

Originally posted by Iteki
Well it isn't exactly a stretch to imagine an Iraqi former Republican Guard member having a terrorist connection. In fact it's such an obvious conclusion that it is the #1 reason I think Said had nothing to do with the crash...Abrams loves to dangle obvious suspects and then take it the other direction. Ironically he seems to be the one most concerned with law and order.


I agree with the later posts that due to Abrams, he may be playing off ignorance.


As for the redneck being or not being the prisoner, that was already determined in episode 2...Evangeline Lilly's character was.


Yes, I've been watching taped, **********ed episodes so commented late in the thread, I thought I used the past-tense.


You seem determined to insult your fellow watchers by claiming we have short attention spans or are 'uncultured'. I don't think any of us would be watching the show or posting here about it if that were true.

Sorry if I gave offense. I was more trolling for the earlier posts about going all 'soap opera' on us.


My main concern about the show is that it will shoot itself in the foot by either revealing too much too soon or not enough and too late. They also want to be careful about building up expectations via previews and then dashing them. Remember the show John Doe? Really good show, good acting, fun mysteries. But every other week they would dangle a red herring about John Doe's past and say 'Is this the secret to John Doe?' and of course every week it had nothing to do with anything, just a red herring. They had trapped themselves with the mystery...once it's revealed, would people still watch? We never got a chance to find out, because too many people tuned out before the end of the season, after a promising start. They were tired of being dangled with the reveal, only to see it yanked back.

Yeah, I fear this too. John Doe did have many a 'red herring', but, he was certainly as confused as the viewers so how would he know what leads to follow? (Just that very last scene that gave a hint of how far the conspiracy went.)

Hopefully they'll drag out the 'mystery' as long a possible. I guess it's like the Ribaldi stuff on alias, or the 'mythology' on X-Files, hopefully they can keep resurrecting parts of the mystery. Because certainly if the find the mystery, will they then be able to get off the island??



Loving the show, can't wait until Wednesday.

Hear, hear!!!

Originally posted by danco
The Republican Guard were not the troops that were on the front lines during Desert Storm. And soldiers in the Republican Guard were about as innocent and "just serving their country" as the boys in the Waffen-SS.

That generalization said, I also think Sayid is one of the good guys...

--Dan

I'm just saying it depends on whose side you're on. If they're on your side, not terrorists. If they're the enemy, terrorists. I'm sure our soldiers at Abu Ghraib are 'innocent' too. It's all a matter of perspective, as Lost is good at illustrating...

Well, thanks to the NBA, I will not be able to see this weeks episode until it is re-broadcast on Saturday...

(Damn Kings... )

No, I'm not a basketball fan...

(Damn NBA... )

But a thanks goes out to ABC for choosing to rebraodcast, every two weeks on Saturday, the previous 2 episodes! That's nice of them.... :)

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Well, thanks to the NBA, I will not be able to see this weeks episode until it is re-broadcast on Saturday...

(Damn Kings... )

No, I'm not a basketball fan...

(Damn NBA... )

But a thanks goes out to ABC for choosing to rebraodcast, every two weeks on Saturday, the previous 2 episodes! That's nice of them.... :)

At least you don't have to wait 2 weeks.

I think the Kings game will be in HD, so I might have to check it out just for that reason... :)

Plus this thread fell off the front page, so I'm posting this OT note just to give it a little bump!

Originally posted by gaderson
I agree with the later posts that due to Abrams, he may be playing off ignorance.

My problem with that statement is that it implies that merely being suspicious of a former Iraqi Republican Guardsman is somehow ignorant. They were the sworn enemies of our country, and many are still involved in the resistance in Iraq today. Whether you choose to call them terrorists or Freedom Fighters depends greatly on your point of view, politics, and country of origin. I'm sure even the Iraqi people can disagree on that point. They are all mostly glad that Saddam is gone, but hate that we are still there. To not be at least slightly suspicious of his past/present motives would be extremely naive.

That being said, I'll reiterate my belief that he seems to be a very decent fellow, and has done more than his share to help his fellow castaways. What lies ahead of him is uncertain...the safest thing to do with this show is not to make any assumptions about the castaways past/motives etc. They all seem to have some suprises, one of the things I'm loving about this show.

Yes, I've been watching taped, **********ed episodes so commented late in the thread, I thought I used the past-tense.

Gotta love that **********. It has salvaged quite a few shows for me during the MLB playoffs. Even LOST couldn't keep me from watching RedSox/Yankees. BT kept me in the loop.

Sorry if I gave offense. I was more trolling for the earlier posts about going all 'soap opera' on us.

No worries, I just get turned off by some poster's attempts to be elitist and look down their noses at their fellow viewers. Everyone is entitled to their point of view. Everyone is free to disagree with what I and others say, but that's no reason to make the discussion personal.

Yeah, I fear this too. John Doe did have many a 'red herring', but, he was certainly as confused as the viewers so how would he know what leads to follow? (Just that very last scene that gave a hint of how far the conspiracy went.)

Yes, I'm still a tad bitter over that. They waited too long for that bombshell, noone was watching by that point. (except us apparently! :-)

Hopefully they'll drag out the 'mystery' as long a possible. I guess it's like the Ribaldi stuff on alias, or the 'mythology' on X-Files, hopefully they can keep resurrecting parts of the mystery. Because certainly if the find the mystery, will they then be able to get off the island??

Notice how the Rimbaldi plotline never seems to go ANYWHERE? Yet they keep milking it...impressive. :-)

Iteki,
You need to remove the forward slashes ( / ) in the front tags.
Example [Quote] text [/Quote.] (without the period)

Originally posted by Iteki
I'm sure even the Iraqi people can disagree on that point. They are all mostly glad that Saddam is gone, but hate that we are still there.

Wow, talk about ignorant statements. I've got family fighting in Iraq right now, and I can assure you all Iraqis do not hate that we are still there. In fact, it's quite the contrary. Don't take everything you watch on CNN as gospel.

Originally posted by Chriš
Wow, talk about ignorant statements. I've got family fighting in Iraq right now, and I can assure you all Iraqis do not hate that we are still there. In fact, it's quite the contrary. Don't take everything you watch on CNN as gospel.

Well politics sure can get people riled up, can't it? First I took flack for suggesting that Sayid's background called for a certain amount of suspicion. I did not suggest the he was automatically a bad guy, just that you had to consider the possibility. Now I'm taking flack for suggesting that Iraqi's aren't happy about our occupation. I've upset both the doves and the hawks. Sheesh. I'll go on the record one last time and then perhaps we can get back on topic.

I have family and friends fighting there as well, that doesn't make either of us automatic experts on the subject. I worry about them every day, but I'm proud of the job they are doing, and I want them and every American soldier to come back alive and well when the job there is done. They've done everything that's been asked of them and more, and will continue to do so as long as it's necessary.

I don't believe everything CNN says about how negative the war is, nor do I buy into the conservative rhetoric about how happy the entire Iraqi nation is that we are there. Both sides have agendas they want to sell and I'm not buying. And for the record I did not say that all Iraqis hate that we are there, I said most. Of course the Kurds and Shiites are glad we are there, they were under Saddam's thumb and had been slaughtered by the tens of thousands over the years. They are afraid that if we leave it will happen again. But they do not represent the majority of the Iraqi people. And again, most are very glad to see Saddam and his stooges gone, but that doesn't mean they are happy about us being there. There is a difference.

Even the most benevolent occupation is still an occupation, and does not sit well, any more than it would sit with us. The Iraqi casualties from the first war are estimated at anywhere between 20,000-60,000 depending on whose numbers you want to believe. And those are just combat deaths, it does not count the deaths due to adverse health conditions following the war. Estimates of Iraqi casualties suffered in the second war vary from 14,000-100,000 (again depending on whose numbers you choose to believe) and are still rising. Our presence there is not universally popular, nor should we expect it to be. If someone killed between 34,000-160,000 Americans, how would we feel about seeing those responsible standing on our street corners with weapons? Would we be ok with being told that it was for our own good, or that things would eventually get better, or that we would be free? Even though it's true? We have a responsibility to remain there until a stable government can be established and can manage the country on it's own, so I'm not advocating that we pull out before the job is done. I'm trying to point out that no matter how benevolent our intentions, we can't expect them to love us being there.

Understand that I am not anti-war or trying to convey sympathy for the Iraqi people, or paint us as the bad guys. I am most especially NOT downplaying the casualties we ourselves have taken.

But none of that has a darn thing to do with LOST, so let's get back on topic. This conversation started over Sayid's history as a member of the Republican Guard during the Gulf War. I don't think that makes him automatically a bad person or a terrorist (although many former Guards and SRG are now insurgents in Iraq), his behavior seems to point to exactly the opposite. I'm hoping he gets off the island and back to the pretty girl in the picture. But then the actor who plays him would be out of a job, and I like the guy (he was good in the English Patient).

But you can bet JJ Abrams didn't give him that history by accident, but to pique our interest and suspicions, for better or for worse. The Republican Guard were Saddam's muscle and responsible for the oppresion of the Iraqi people and mass murder amongst the Shiites and Kurds. Guard members were volunteers, not conscripts like the rest of their military. Did he sign up for the extra pay and better living conditions and then get stuck in situations he didn't like but couldn't avoid? Abrams could have written the character as regular Iraqi Army, but specifically chose the Guard because of the image that represents.

I for one am very interested in finding out his story, so Abrams' strategy worked. :-) He's one of my favorite characters. He tries to do the right thing, even when it's difficult and unappreciated.

I suspect real Iraqi opinion on the U.S. right now is akin to real U.S. opinion on the presidential race. It's close, with pretty strong opinions on either side. (I'm not going to speculate whether the majority for the president is akin to a pro U.S. majority in Iraq or an anti-U.S. majority because we get pulled down the political rat hole very quickly here.)

Originally posted by Iteki
My problem with that statement is that it implies that merely being suspicious of a former Iraqi Republican Guardsman is somehow ignorant. They were the sworn enemies of our country, and many are still involved in the resistance in Iraq today. Whether you choose to call them terrorists or Freedom Fighters depends greatly on your point of view, politics, and country of origin. I'm sure even the Iraqi people can disagree on that point. They are all mostly glad that Saddam is gone, but hate that we are still there. To not be at least slightly suspicious of his past/present motives would be extremely naive.

That being said, I'll reiterate my belief that he seems to be a very decent fellow, and has done more than his share to help his fellow castaways. What lies ahead of him is uncertain...the safest thing to do with this show is not to make any assumptions about the castaways past/motives etc. They all seem to have some suprises, one of the things I'm loving about this show.



Yeah, I like how you never really know what a character will do, like Boone was the 'stealer of the water'.


Yes, I'm still a tad bitter over that. They waited too long for that bombshell, noone was watching by that point. (except us apparently! :-)


Yeah, I had friends who were trying to follow along, but, missed most of the ending eps.


Notice how the Rimbaldi plotline never seems to go ANYWHERE? Yet they keep milking it...impressive. :-)

Now that you mention it...so what is that thing in the jungle (though we do have the impression that Locke has seen it ["and it was beautiful"]?)?

Originally posted by Iteki
My main concern about the show is that it will shoot itself in the foot by either revealing too much too soon or not enough and too late. They also want to be careful about building up expectations via previews and then dashing them. Remember the show John Doe? Really good show, good acting, fun mysteries. But every other week they would dangle a red herring about John Doe's past and say 'Is this the secret to John Doe?' and of course every week it had nothing to do with anything, just a red herring. They had trapped themselves with the mystery...once it's revealed, would people still watch? We never got a chance to find out, because too many people tuned out before the end of the season, after a promising start. They were tired of being dangled with the reveal, only to see it yanked back.

Good point, but I think JJ Abrams is smart enough to learn from what's gone before. The really sad thing about "John Doe" is that from what was reported in Entertainment Weekly, the reveal would still have given the show places to go. According to EW: "Turns out, the Phoenix believed Doe was the Messiah and its members were actually protecting Doe from a second group, which wanted him dead. The truth: Doe was injured in a boating accident. That mark on his chest? Metal from the explosion. His Überbrain? A by-product of transcending his body during a near-death experience, traveling to a spiritual place where all the universe's questions are answered, and returning . . . naked!"

http://www.tvguide.com/news/insider/

Originally posted by kcn823
http://www.tvguide.com/news/insider/

Can't wait for tonight's show...

Originally posted by Iteki
Can't wait for tonight's show...

Having said that....I SURE hope that the election hoopla doesn't force me to have to wait to watch ANOTHER compelling version of LOST.

:confused:

Originally posted by jaypb
Having said that....I SURE hope that the election hoopla doesn't force me to have to wait to watch ANOTHER compelling version of LOST.

:confused:

Looks like Kerry conceded...so bring on LOST!

edited for spelling :-(

an interesting thing: when i use titantv to make a "lost" capture reservation for my myhd card, it lists the duration as 1 hr, 1 min. pretty cool!

Originally posted by Iteki
Looks like Kerry condeded...so bring on LOST!
Now that Mr. Kerry is unemployed, perhaps he should do a guest spot on LOST. Or would the irony be too much for the prime time audience?

Mickey

Originally posted by MickeyGee
Now that Mr. Kerry is unemployed, perhaps he should do a guest spot on LOST. Or would the irony be too much for the prime time audience?

Mickey

He still has his Senate seat, unless I'm mistaken.

Originally posted by MickeyGee
Now that Mr. Kerry is unemployed, perhaps he should do a guest spot on LOST. Or would the irony be too much for the prime time audience?

i wouldn't call being a u.s. senator unemployed, though i guess you could argue that.

isn't bush usually the one who's portrayed as being lost?

Please stop. I know it started as a joke, but these political comments will only serve to close down this popular and informative thread. In fact, please delete them, for the benefit of everyone.

Originally posted by seldenpat
Please stop. I know it started as a joke, but these political comments will only serve to close down this popular and informative thread. In fact, please delete them, for the benefit of everyone. Well said.

Originally posted by MickeyGee
Now that Mr. Kerry is unemployed, perhaps he should do a guest spot on LOST. Or would the irony be too much for the prime time audience?


Maybe those bones could turn out to be him and his wife?

I finally got my 6412 dual tuner box yesterday from Comcast and I was browsing through the new program guide. I looked up Lost and saw that the listing went several weeks into the future, including some interesting episode descriptions. If you want a sneak peak into what's coming you may want to browse through the guide.

You purists will definitely want to stay away...

Originally posted by MickeyGee
Now that Mr. Kerry is unemployed, perhaps he should do a guest spot on LOST. Or would the irony be too much for the prime time audience?

Mickey

He isn't unemployed to my knowledge - he's still a Senator.

Originally posted by FSugino
I finally got my 6412 dual tuner box yesterday from Comcast and I was browsing through the new program guide. I looked up Lost and saw that the listing went several weeks into the future, including some interesting episode descriptions. If you want a sneak peak into what's coming you may want to browse through the guide.

You purists will definitely want to stay away...

I don't have the box! Post some highlights in spoiler tags!!!

Yes! Highlights in spoiler tags, highlights in spoiler tags!!!

Originally posted by kpoon
an interesting thing: when i use titantv to make a "lost" capture reservation for my myhd card, it lists the duration as 1 hr, 1 min. pretty cool!

Yeah, the guide that TWC uses for my SA 8000HD (SARA software) has been listing Lost as 1 hr, 1 min for the past couple episodes, so I haven't had to "pad" my scheduled recordings. Also, the Apprentice has been listed as 59 minutes the past couple weeks, and it hasn't missed anything on that show by stopping one minute short of an hour...pretty cool.

Originally posted by rdwalt
Yes! Highlights in spoiler tags, highlights in spoiler tags!!!

Agreed...my TWC guide only goes out one week in advance!

Originally posted by rdwalt
Yes! Highlights in spoiler tags, highlights in spoiler tags!!!

The episode descriptions are available online:

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/EpisodeGuideSummary/showid-24313/

fredfa has all the future descriptions available (for all shows, not just LOST) posted in the "Hot off the Press" sticky at the top of the forum.

Interesting.... :)

There's no way I'm shutting down a thread of this magnitude because of political comments (especially since it is a topic that interests me :) ) However, I'd appreciate not having to go in and do massive editing because it is a PITA - so please refrain from the political comments.

Originally posted by seldenpat
Please stop. I know it started as a joke, but these political comments will only serve to close down this popular and informative thread. In fact, please delete them, for the benefit of everyone.

We already have a moderator, thank you very much.

Originally posted by CPanther95
There's no way I'm shutting down a thread of this magnitude because of political comments (especially since it is a topic that interests me :) ) However, I'd appreciate not having to go in and do massive editing because it is a PITA - so please refrain from the political comments.
Mea culpa (my bad).

Mickey

Originally posted by maxman
We already have a moderator, thank you very much.

Actually, we have 3, and would like to think that sometimes we, as members, can make their job a little easier. Thank you very much
:rolleyes:

Well, to all of you that will actually get to watch tonights episode of 'Lost'... enjoy! :P

As for me, I'm looking forward to the 100's of posts I'll have to read through after I get to watch this weeks episode on Saturday's re-broadcast...

And as for tonight, maybe I'll check out the Kings game in HD on my local ABC station... or not... :)


So what's the latest rumor on what will be revealed tonight?

Originally posted by seldenpat
Actually, we have 3, and would like to think that sometimes we, as members, can make their job a little easier. Thank you very much
:rolleyes:

It sounded more like a personal dictate to me:

"In fact, please delete them, for the benefit of everyone."

Originally posted by JayDog_2


So what's the latest rumor on what will be revealed tonight?

Excerpted from an interview:
Dominic Monaghan said: You're going to find out [tonight] why Charlie was in Australia. He went to see his brother, who lives in Sydney, and offered him a business proposition. What you know of Charlie, up to now, is that he's got a drug addiction problem. You're going to learn the genesis of where, why and how it began. We'll also learn more about Charlie's fears on the island. He becomes more well-rounded after this fifth episode because the audience will understand the substantial issues he's been dealing with in life. By the end of the episode, he saves the life of someone on the island. Even while he's going through this terrible cold turkey, Charlie proves to himself and the others that he's capable of coming through. He's moving toward the person he'll become when his drugs run out. Source: TV Guide Online

Originally posted by JayDog_2
I think the Kings game will be in HD, so I might have to check it out just for that reason... :)

Plus this thread fell off the front page, so I'm posting this OT note just to give it a little bump!

Maybe they'll just tape delay it. Here in Chicago, we had the Bears game Sunday night on our ABC affiliate. It bumped Desperate Housewives and Boston Legal, so they were played after the game and the news. (Not HD though)

Originally posted by maxman
It sounded more like a personal dictate to me:

"In fact, please delete them, for the benefit of everyone."

Yes...many dictators I know use "please". Whatever.

This is the only primetime network show that we fire up the theater for.

Originally posted by rdwalt
Yes! Highlights in spoiler tags, highlights in spoiler tags!!!

11/10 - "Confidence Man"
Profiling enigmatic Sawyer in telling flashbacks to his criminal past and troubled youth; and in violent confrontations with Jack and Sayid, who are convinced that Sawyer's a spiteful sleaze.

11/17 - "Solitary"
The survivors are not alone. Sayid is taken captive by a long-time strandee: an armed and cryptic French woman (Mira Furlan), who's alternately violent and sympathetic.

OK, I'm ready for the island to reveal at least a tiny part of itself.

Interesting story tonite, sort of felt like a pause in the action (except at the end). Sound and PQ didn't seem quite as impressive tonite to me for some reason (maybe just my mood). Looking fwd to next week just as much as always though.

Well, I believe that the 11/17 spoiler description above may have killed my theory about who was playing Barry Bonds tonight. I guess I asked for it.

There is still something about Locke...

Originally posted by CPanther95
OK, I'm ready for the island to reveal at least a tiny part of itself.

It did...It's geologically active, which would be expected since it's probably in the Ring of Fire.:D

Just knew Merry, I mean Charlie, was going to find the entrance to Middle Earth in the cave. Oh sorry, guess I'm getting my stories mixed up.

Right...and a little South Farthing Weed and he'll be A-OK!!!:D

One thing that caught my attention tonight was when Sayid told Kate that basically there was no way they should have survived that crash, much less with hardly a scratch on most of the survivors. That point has been brought up in this thread, but ignored as artistic license. Maybe the show is heading somewhere with that idea of why they DID survive the un-survivable. Locke has been hinting at something supernatural, after all.
I also have to wonder if there are two monsters/creatures. I was rewatching the first episode, and when the "thing" first made its appearance, it seemed the survivors jerked their head around as if they heard another from a different direction after the first noise. Locke has also been talking about "two, one light, and one dark". Maybe there is one "good" monster, which he saw as beautiful, and one "bad" monster, which the pilot saw as, well, very bad!!

On KGO in San Francisco, the first three minutes of Lost tonight (11/3/2004) were broadcast in DOWNMIXED STEREO with the center channel completely missing.

At first, I thought it was on purpose that all the speech was missing (I wouldn't be surprised, with this show), but at 3 minutes into the program, the audio switched from stereo to Dolby Digital, and the center channel suddenly appeared.

Guess someone forgot to push a button at KGO. :)

Originally posted by labmansid
One thing that caught my attention tonight was when Sayid told Kate that basically there was no way they should have survived that crash, much less with hardly a scratch on most of the survivors. That point has been brought up in this thread, but ignored as artistic license. Maybe the show is heading somewhere with that idea of why they DID survive the un-survivable. Locke has been hinting at something supernatural, after all.
I also have to wonder if there are two monsters/creatures. I was rewatching the first episode, and when the "thing" first made its appearance, it seemed the survivors jerked their head around as if they heard another from a different direction after the first noise. Locke has also been talking about "two, one light, and one dark". Maybe there is one "good" monster, which he saw as beautiful, and one "bad" monster, which the pilot saw as, well, very bad!!

Very insightful! I'm with you on the whole Sayid/Kate thing tonight, but the whole two monster thing? You may be on to something there! I'll have to watch for evidence in future episodes! Think about the pairs then...Charlie said it tonight. Everyone is paired up (he said except for him). The Korean's, Kate and Jack, Father/Son, Brother/Sister, Sayid/Sawyer, Fat Guy/Pregnant Chick. Do we have good/bad pairings going on? Seeing how much Charlie and Locke have interacted, are they a good/bad pairing? If so, who's good and who's bad? UGH! I need another beer to think this through!!!

Did anyone have issues with the show today? I had a lot of skipping of video and audio dropouts here on Comcast in Los Angeles.

Yes, I had the exact same problems (also using Comcast in LA). Thank you for posting because I had just split the cable off to some additional rooms and thought it had something to do with that.

Lost was plagued with problems this evening on KOMO4 Seattle (source both Star Choice and Bell ExpressVu)
1. several sound dropouts and picture freezes
2. switching back and forth between DD5.1 to Prologic

I must have missed the part in the thread where you talked about surviving the crash and artistic license. To me thats a little too much artistic license and I had been under the impression everyone on the island was aware of how odd the crash was but didnt want to mention it (yet).

I mean, sure some people died, but there were far too few seriously injured (in fact the only one I can think of was the Marshal).

As for the good and bad monster....... thats a nice catch. It would certainly explain a few things. I'll take it a step further...... the monster represents "karma" if you will. Locke sees the good monster because he has been helping, and the pilot maybe did something to cause the crash or something and he saw the bad monster. If thats the case Sawyer better watch his ass!

Also had video issues here in Honolulu. On the left side of the screen, there was a large rectangular section that seemed to be shifted a few pixels off from the rest of the image. Very annoying. I hope they fix it for Saturday's rebroadcast.

A little disappointed with tonight's story (way too predictable, IMO), but I can roll with that. Overall, still way better than most things on TV.

I like Locke's character, but feel the discordance between who he was and who he's become is too severe. It degrades the believability of his character, that he could have gone from someone desperate and gullible enough to believe a paid "phone friend" had real feelings for him, to someone capable of doling out sage advice to everyone else. Yah, I know, maybe the island is giving him these "powers," but it still feels wrong to me.

Did anyone else notice the fence posts in the wide valley shot? :p

I've been wondering where the cave scenes were filmed (there aren't many sound stages or TV studios on Oahu), and tonight I found out. They're using an old abandoned Xerox office building. It's been vacant since 1999, when one of the employees went on a shooting rampage (CNN (http://www.cnn.com/US/9911/02/honolulu.shooting.02/)). I wonder if they told the actors?

Here's another link (http://www.hawaiinews.com/archives/business/000286.shtml) .

Guess they use the Xerox building as their headquarters.

Originally posted by labmansid
One thing that caught my attention tonight was when Sayid told Kate that basically there was no way they should have survived that crash, much less with hardly a scratch on most of the survivors. That point has been brought up in this thread, but ignored as artistic license. Maybe the show is heading somewhere with that idea of why they DID survive the un-survivable. Locke has been hinting at something supernatural, after all.
I also have to wonder if there are two monsters/creatures. I was rewatching the first episode, and when the "thing" first made its appearance, it seemed the survivors jerked their head around as if they heard another from a different direction after the first noise. Locke has also been talking about "two, one light, and one dark". Maybe there is one "good" monster, which he saw as beautiful, and one "bad" monster, which the pilot saw as, well, very bad!!

When Sayid said that to Kate I commented that it seemed like they were in "Purgatory"....seeing as almost EVERYONE they've touched on so far has had *issues* in their life.....and seem to almost be suffering for what they've done in the past.

I like the 2 monster idea as well. Fits in with the light/dark aspect very well.

As a side note, Hurley rules! Can't WAIT to see what his "story" is.

I DVR'd the episode to watch later in the evening....I get all settled in and it's in SD!?! ARRGGHHH, someone at WIXT forgot to throw the switch until after the first set of commercials.

"One thing that caught my attention tonight was when Sayid told Kate that basically there was no way they should have survived that crash, much less with hardly a scratch on most of the survivors."

Perhaps they didn't.
That would explain a lot...
:cool: :eek:

So do we have any idea who whacked Sayid at the end? I would assume it was a human, but I doubt it was any of the survivors (at least not the ones we know about).

Sayid appears to be ok from the previews of the next episode, so I doubt he was captured. The source of the signal seemed very strong from where he was located, so maybe he was on the verge of locating the signal and whomever was making it.

This episode seems to support the theory that someone or some group of people are sending out signals to cause planes to crash (or at least land) on the island.

I was poking around on another message board and found an interesting theory:

Is it possible this island is a metaphor for American current events?

Sayid was perceived as a bad guy in the first episode, but later became a character that most viewers really like. We haven't seen his "episode" yet, but we've had glimpses of who he was before the crash. He's a good guy. Is this a metaphor for America's war in Iraq? After 9/11 a lot of Americans unfairly hated all Middle Eastern people. This is like Sayid. He was feared until we got to know him. He may still be a threat, but I think Sawyer and the viewers are realizing that he is not a terrorist.

Then you have the Korean couple. Do they represent North and South Korea? The husband and North Korea are truly a threat. His wife wants to be free of him, but is afraid. Similarly, South Korea is not a threat, but out of fear they have their hands tied to help America too much.

Then you have all the social issues represented.

Single parents-Michael
Unplanned pregnancy-Claire
Obesity-Harley
Criminals who may be a victim of circumstance-Kate
Drug addiction-Charlie
Apathy towards disabled persons-Locke
Homosexuality-Jack (yes, I believe he is gay)
Commercialism-Shannen
Angry white man-Sawyer

They are a diverse bunch and an international bunch, as well. But they really need each other. Is this representative of America needing to come together and unite to survive?

Then there's the monster. A big mysterious monster. Is this the government? Is this our enemies? Is this a Big Brother scenario?

I was listening to a local morning radio show and they had William Mapother (http://imdb.com/name/nm0544611/) of The Grudge (http://imdb.com/title/tt0391198/) on. He said that he will be on 3 episodes of Lost starting Nov 17. The radio hosts are big Lost fans, and they were trying to get information from him, but he didn't say a word. He wouldn't even tell them if he was in a flashback, or a character on the island that we haven't seen yet. He also wouldn't even say if he was done filming yet.

I just thought that it was interesting how tight they are keeping everything on this show.

Originally posted by Hounsfield
I like Locke's character, but feel the discordance between who he was and who he's become is too severe. It degrades the believability of his character, that he could have gone from someone desperate and gullible enough to believe a paid "phone friend" had real feelings for him, to someone capable of doling out sage advice to everyone else. Yah, I know, maybe the island is giving him these "powers," but it still feels wrong to me.


Locke was only in a wheelchair for the last 4 years. He looks to be about 60 so he had a lot of years where he could have been a completely different person. He does seem to have some very useful survival skills and might have been in an occupation that utilized those skills before he was disabled.

Also, being in a situation where their entire life has changed can cause a person to do strange things. Maybe because he wasn't the typical sex line caller he was treated a little differently by the girl.

Of course, this is assuming the writers put that much thought into the characters they created. It is fun to speculate though.

Originally posted by dmbatch
Locke was only in a wheelchair for the last 4 years. He looks to be about 60 so he had a lot of years where he could have been a completely different person. He does seem to have some very useful survival skills and might have been in an occupation that utilized those skills before he was disabled.

Also, being in a situation where their entire life has changed can cause a person to do strange things. Maybe because he wasn't the typical sex line caller he was treated a little differently by the girl.

Of course, this is assuming the writers put that much thought into the characters they created. It is fun to speculate though.


Good points...when your hanging from a cliff you will grab onto anything to keep from falling. The phone sex girl was a lonely man's way of connecting to someone/ANYONE, as was his dream of the walkabout. It gave him encouragement and hope. Now he can walk again, and he has gained a bit of perspective back.

1) Anyone seen Claire in a while? It seems like she's been COMPLETELY out of the story line since Jack found the cave. Just wondering why she's completely on the back-burner.

2) Some of the "Others" finally get drawn in to the cast, judging from the previews for next week. Speakinf of the "Others," did it not bug anyone else last week that they just stood and watched as the Korean guy beat the crap out of the dad? It was like they wanted to rush in, but couldn't.

3) Hurley ought to be losing some serious weight the longer they stay on the island.

Now for the favor I need- can someone please give me a synopsis of what was said between Charlie and Jack in the jungle at the beginning of the episode? My satellite acted up due to heavy rain and I missed everything from that point up until Charile and his brother were walking through the church grounds, about 8 minutes (probably 6 minutes worth of commercials!
:o)


Thanks in advance.

1) Cant believe I didnt notice that....... was she pregnant in real life?

2) I also thought it was strange that nobody did anything when the korean guy was beating up micheal

3) He probably eats a mean boar

I'm trying to think back to the start and to be honest dont really recall the conversation either....... if you meant between Jack and Kate than that would make more sense.

Originally posted by auburn97
1) Anyone seen Claire in a while? It seems like she's been COMPLETELY out of the story line since Jack found the cave. Just wondering why she's completely on the back-burner.

My wife asked me the same thing last night. I figure she will pop up again soon.

Originally posted by auburn97
2) Some of the "Others" finally get drawn in to the cast, judging from the previews for next week. Speakinf of the "Others," did it not bug anyone else last week that they just stood and watched as the Korean guy beat the crap out of the dad? It was like they wanted to rush in, but couldn't.

That was the first thing I thought of.


About Locke, don't fprget he was going to go on the walkabout, that might be where he got his survival skills.

Originally posted by auburn97
1) Anyone seen Claire in a while? It seems like she's been COMPLETELY out of the story line since Jack found the cave. Just wondering why she's completely on the back-burner.

2) Some of the "Others" finally get drawn in to the cast, judging from the previews for next week. Speakinf of the "Others," did it not bug anyone else last week that they just stood and watched as the Korean guy beat the crap out of the dad? It was like they wanted to rush in, but couldn't.

3) Hurley ought to be losing some serious weight the longer they stay on the island.



1) She isn't really able to do much, she doesn't add too much to the story right now. We know that there will be an upcoming episode that tells her backstory. It's my guess that that will occur in concert with labor.

2) It is not at all uncommon or unreasonable for this type of behavior to happen. Have you ever seen those tests where people fake heart attacks or muggings in a public place and see what people do? It isn't encouraging. Most people won't get involved. Especially when others have already stepped into a kind of leadership position, they look to them for problem solving.

3.) Each episode is only a day or two. So they've been there about a week. Plus, they've got lots of boar to eat. I don't think food is a problem.

Of course, there is the fact that a story of a plane breaking up in mid-air and leaving 48 relativley unharmed passengers may not rely on complete and total reality... :D

Originally posted by snowcat
So do we have any idea who whacked Sayid at the end? I would assume it was a human, but I doubt it was any of the survivors (at least not the ones we know about).

Sayid appears to be ok from the previews of the next episode, so I doubt he was captured. The source of the signal seemed very strong from where he was located, so maybe he was on the verge of locating the signal and whomever was making it.

This episode seems to support the theory that someone or some group of people are sending out signals to cause planes to crash (or at least land) on the island.

I thought I read this here, but it must have been from the tivocommunity forums:

I had read that it's a crazy French woman who's been living on the island... I'm guessing she's been there for 16 years. The question is why would she whack Sayid?

Originally posted by jaypb
As a side note, Hurley rules! Can't WAIT to see what his "story" is.

I still think he may not have been on the plane. Nobody has seen him in the flashbacks and lets face it..... hes kinda hard to miss!


Also about Locke:

- Seems to me he that he was probably learning about survival in preparation for the walkabout. After all he really hated it when people told him "he couldnt do it". I suspect thats where his survival skills come from.

Oh and to the person who was wondering who hit Sayid..... there is a spoiler about the next two episodes a page or two back in the thread that answers that.

Video problems here in the San Francisco Bay Area also (Comcast). There must have been a problem with the West feed.

Last night (without having read this thread), the idea of a "purgatory" or similar temporary place after death naturally came to mind. The survivors died and are now being subjected to a "test" that will affect where/how they ultimately end up.

The extreme unlikelihood that they would have survived the crash as they did (as remarked by Sayeed) encouraged that thought. Obviously the flashbacks and the way the characters are changing are consistent with the island being a post-death proving ground, an opportunity for them to alter their fate before their "final" destination.

Video problems here in the San Francisco Bay Area also (Comcast). There must have been a problem with the West feed.
It was fine here in Portland.

ron

I had an issue with how Charlie's drug addiction began... he was upset with all the decadence of his new lifestyle, wants to walk away and since his brother doesn't want to, he turns to drugs??? That seems unlikely. The writers could have invested more time in crafting that backstory.

Can someone start a primer on the backstory? That is who we've heard from, and what their story is... that kind of thing. I think we've heard from 5 characters so far - is that correct? Kate, Locke, Charlie, Jack and the Korean woman.

The Korean man's backstory (separate from his wife) could be interesting since it seems he was some kind of chef /restaurateur turned some sort of gangster type working for her father.

Anyone have concerns about the long term direction of the show. It doesn't appear that the storyline can go on for seasons and sesons at this rate. Mystery/suspense shows (i.e. twin peaks) have a limited lifeline and this show is painted into a corner in that you would think you could only have so many mysteries on a "deserted" island.

In theory they could continue to build and elaborate on backstory we've already seen seen, but I would think in 20 epsiodes they'll have all of the primary players very well covered.

Originally posted by Vlad_Dracule
I still think he may not have been on the plane. Nobody has seen him in the flashbacks and lets face it..... hes kinda hard to miss!


If you read the description for Episode 10 it may answer that question:

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/EpisodeGuideSummary/showid-24313/

Originally posted by Mike3
I had an issue with how Charlie's drug addiction began... he was upset with all the decadence of his new lifestyle, wants to walk away and since his brother doesn't want to, he turns to drugs??? That seems unlikely. The writers could have invested more time in crafting that backstory.

Can someone start a primer on the backstory? That is who we've heard from, and what their story is... that kind of thing. I think we've heard from 5 characters so far - is that correct? Kate, Locke, Charlie, Jack and the Korean woman.

The Korean man's backstory (separate from his wife) could be interesting since it seems he was some kind of chef /restaurateur turned some sort of gangster type working for her father.

Anyone have concerns about the long term direction of the show. It doesn't appear that the storyline can go on for seasons and sesons at this rate. Mystery/suspense shows (i.e. twin peaks) have a limited lifeline and this show is painted into a corner in that you would think you could only have so many mysteries on a "deserted" island.

In theory they could continue to build and elaborate on backstory we've already seen seen, but I would think in 20 epsiodes they'll have all of the primary players very well covered.

I think that the backstorys raise questions as well as answer them. I think we need another on each of the one's we've seen just to fill in some things that were left untold, probably by design.

I don't really have a problem with how Charlie's addiction began. I think I could look at any real person who has become addicted and say that I wouldn't have made that choice, but a lot of people do, and for a lot of reasons.

For Charlie, his entire self worth was wrapped up in his music. The brother played the "you're nothing without it" card on him, and it worked. These backstorys are only highlight packages. This built up over a period of time.

Originally posted by Chriš
If you read the description for Episode 10 it may answer that question:

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/EpisodeGuideSummary/showid-24313/

just be careful not to read any further.... there are definitely some spoilers ahead!

crap.

guys, I missed the first 1/2 hr of the show, don't have a DVR and my VCR didn't run last night, started watching around the time the charlie was crawling in the cave to find Jack, with a boulder on him. Did I miss anything important in the first 1/2 hour ? I'm going to watch the rerun on Saturday but just curious.

As for the theory of Sayid being whacked at the end by a person who wasn't on the plane, not so sure about that. In the coming attractions that show Sayid attacking Sawyer who appears to be tied to a tree. Seems like Sawyer is the guy who knocks Sayid out, they haven't been on the best of terms from the beginning anyway.

I believe this week's episode is being rerun this weekend.

Originally posted by NorthJersey
guys, I missed the first 1/2 hr of the show, don't have a DVR and my VCR didn't run last night, started watching around the time the charlie was crawling in the cave to find Jack, with a boulder on him. Did I miss anything important in the first 1/2 hour ? I'm going to watch the rerun on Saturday but just curious.


You might want to stop reading this thread now until you watch it. Unless you want to know what happened.

Originally posted by NorthJersey
As for the theory of Sayid being whacked at the end by a person who wasn't on the plane, not so sure about that. In the coming attractions that show Sayid attacking Sawyer who appears to be tied to a tree. Seems like Sawyer is the guy who knocks Sayid out, they haven't been on the best of terms from the beginning anyway.

No way Sawyer was able to set off his rocket, turn on the transmitter, and then make it to where Sayid was quickly enough to whack him.

i think its the island lady.. she takes his transmitter

It wasn't Sawyer.

I don't believe he's female, or have a French accent...

Originally posted by che_fox
On KGO in San Francisco, the first three minutes of Lost tonight (11/3/2004) were broadcast in DOWNMIXED STEREO with the center channel completely missing.

At first, I thought it was on purpose that all the speech was missing (I wouldn't be surprised, with this show), but at 3 minutes into the program, the audio switched from stereo to Dolby Digital, and the center channel suddenly appeared.

Guess someone forgot to push a button at KGO. :)

Same thing here! We get KGO-HD via Comcast and we both thought that the missing dialog was intentional for a couple of minutes. I got suspicious and switched to the SD channel and realized what was going on. After that, there were no audio problems, but the video switched between full frame (SD) and widescreen (HD) a couple of times. Very annoying.

-Steve