Let's see here... Quayle was the Junior Senator from Indiana for 2 or 3 terms? I think it was 2. Since there are about 6 million people in Indiana, and let's say 1/3 of them vote, and 51% voted for him, that's at least 1 million people who voted for Quayle, at minimum.

First of all, you brought Quayle into the conversation (for your own benefit, I presume). rdwalt makes a flippant remark that you opened yourself up to by introducing unnecessary nonsense in the first place. Now you call him a troll and dis Quayle again.


After 20 years of Quayle jokes up and down the country, I'd've thought he was fair game. Next you're going to tell me it is inappropriate to make Monica Lewinsky jokes. Okay, change Quayle to Nixon, and lets be done with it.

After 20 years of Quayle jokes up and down the country, I'd've thought he was fair game. Next you're going to tell me it is inappropriate to make Monica Lewinsky jokes. Okay, change Quayle to Nixon, and lets be done with it.

Hey, everybody's already heard the one about Quale, Monica, and Nixon. ;)

- Tom

Hey, everybody's already heard the one about Quale, Monica, and Nixon. ;)

- Tom
Yeah, make some up about Bush....oh wait, those already exist...


Hmm, is it Wednesday yet? This thread has really gotten off-topic :p

Hey, everybody's already heard the one about Quale, Monica, and Nixon. ;)

- Tom

I haven't, but I'd imagine there's a "tricky Dick" somewhere in the punchline. :)

Hey! You must watch The Office. That was pretty funny.

Nope, don't watch it. Should I?

But one thing that does point to this being completed by one person is the notation on the map that says "estimated travel time incompatible with 108 do not attempt journey".
which is why I wondered whether The Arrow could have been discovered with a 1-man expedition.
My thought is: that part of the map was completed by Desmond's partner (can't recall his name right now) before Desmond crashed his boat offshore. Once Desmond landed, he could explore farther from Station 3 (e.g., to The Arrow)...

~Dan

When Jack and Sawyer were playing cards, on the final hand, Sawyer (I think) says Jack has a pair of 9s. I wasn't watching in HD, but it looked like it was a 9 and a Jack. Can anyone confirm?

Both Jack and sawyer had a pair. Jack had J-9 offsuite, Sawer had 4-5 suited.

There was a 9 and a 5 on the board, don't recall the rest. Couple of trash hands that you would normally muck, but can be winners playing heads up.

Nope, don't watch it. Should I?

Steve Carrell has a riff on The Answer, and calls himself The Question while the office folks are playing a stakes basketball game.

I tell you all something. Figure out a simple way to do it, and I'll buy all of you a beer.

I accept paypal.

I accept paypal.

PM me your paypal email, and I'll buy you a beer. You have to prove that you spent it on beer though.

PM me your paypal email, and I'll buy you a beer. You have to prove that you spent it on beer though.

That's easy enough. rdwalter@bellsouth.net

I don't know if anyone here follows Prison Break, but tonight's episode clearly showed some inspiration from LOST. First, they chose to add backstories to several of the main characters. Second, one major character's path prior to prison crossed with that of another in an anonymous fashion. Nice to know some writers appreciate LOST's style enough to give it a shout out on their time.

This type of anonymous linking of characters has been done long before LOST.

Stephen King is a master of it and there are other examples as well.

The inspiration could have come from LOST, but its really not a new thing.

This type of anonymous linking of characters has been done long before LOST.

Stephen King is a master of it and there are other examples as well.

The inspiration could have come from LOST, but its really not a new thing.

No, it's not new, but I think the popularity of Lost has certainly inspired other shows to take this approach.

Listening to this week's Lost podcast, near the beginning of the writers commentary they are talking about what were the 5 big revelations in Lockdown. They mention when talking about the map that there are all these "vents" on it.

So is that confirming CV = Cerberus Vent?

No, it's not new, but I think the popularity of Lost has certainly inspired other shows to take this approach.

As I stated in the PB thread, I think the flashback was done extremely well in that episode. Let's hope they don't overkill the flashback thing like LOST has done.

I prefer flashbacks be used to support the main storyline...not BE it.

Too bad...I had such high hopes for LOST. :(

troll.

Hey everybody! We found the one guy that voted for Quayle!

Am I the only one that can tell when Quino is joking? He called me a troll awhile back, but I knew it was a joke. I mean it isn't like he actually KNEW I lived under a bridge.

On a side note - I went to high school with Dan Quayle's niece. His sister-in-law is the principal at my wife's elementary school. Knowing what these people are like makes the jokes that much funnier to me.

My thought is: that part of the map was completed by Desmond's partner (can't recall his name right now) before Desmond crashed his boat offshore. Once Desmond landed, he could explore farther from Station 3 (e.g., to The Arrow)...

~Dan

I don't think the map was created by any one person. I think it is a collective work from several different people (will varying levels of knowledge of Dharma and the island) who have spent time in the hatch over the last several years. Some of the information seems to come from someone very in touch with Dharma and what the purpose of the island is. Other parts seem to come from someone with limited knowledge of what is going on.

His sister-in-law is the principal at my wife's elementary school.
Your wife is still in elementary school??? :eek:



:D

~Dan

Am I the only one that can tell when Quino is joking? He called me a troll awhile back, but I knew it was a joke. I mean it isn't like he actually KNEW I lived under a bridge.


You mean... I'm not getting a beer? :(

You mean... I'm not getting a beer? :(

Yes, you get a beer! I am a man of my word. I just have to get home first. I don't know my paypal password by heart. At some point, when you prove I bought you one, I'm gonna have to draw a line. Let's just say, if you think we should be sharing a beer, then I'll buy. I'll know.

This forum is really something else. It is amazing how much spelling correction, irritability, piss in the fruit loops, panties in a bunch camraderie that goes on here....This from the guy who gets upset when people don't enunciate "you're" and "your" to his standards :rolleyes:

This from the guy who gets upset when people don't enunciate "you're" and "your" to his standards :rolleyes:

Just havin' fun, Jason. In context of the subtitling, I said it's pervasive, but I didn't judge. Perhaps you'd like a beer as well?

Am I the only one that can tell when Quino is joking? He called me a troll awhile back, but I knew it was a joke. I mean it isn't like he actually KNEW I lived under a bridge.

On a side note - I went to high school with Dan Quayle's niece. His sister-in-law is the principal at my wife's elementary school. Knowing what these people are like makes the jokes that much funnier to me.

I voted for Dukakis. :D

Listening to this week's Lost podcast, near the beginning of the writers commentary they are talking about what were the 5 big revelations in Lockdown. They mention when talking about the map that there are all these "vents" on it.

So is that confirming CV = Cerberus Vent?Looks like that's as good a bet as any.

So, the island's defense system is activated through various vents. Well, that kinda makes sense as to what Locke was pulled down into when the black smoke grabbed him at the end of last season. And it would explain how we see evidence of the defense system arising out of so many places.

Now I'd like to know next if Cerberus is under anyone's control or if it's completely independent or a little of each. Perhaps the answer is related to the "incident" that initiated the 108 minute requirement?

I voted for Dukakis. :DNow that IS a joke! :p

Yes, you get a beer! I am a man of my word. I just have to get home first. I don't know my paypal password by heart. At some point, when you prove I bought you one, I'm gonna have to draw a line. Let's just say, if you think we should be sharing a beer, then I'll buy. I'll know.

Quinocampa, you are da' man! I take back all the bad things I said about you. From now on you can do no wrong. :p

Your wife is still in elementary school??? :eek:



:D

~Dan

Haven't you watched "Big Love" on HBO about polygamy?

Quinocampa, you are da' man! I take back all the bad things I said about you. From now on you can do no wrong. :p

FAW-stah's -- O-STRAHL-yun faw BEE-ah!

( I lived in Australia for a year, believe it or not. They say Foster's is for Yanks..)

Kinda like what Mexicans say about Corona.

And they use the lime to keep the flies from the rim of the bottle, but here it's "cool" and for taste. :rolleyes:

Myself I'll take Negra Modela.

Your wife is still in elementary school??? :eek:



:D

~Dan

Yeah, but don't get any funny ideas. She is 26 years old. :D

Kinda like what Mexicans say about Corona.

And they use the lime to keep the flies from the rim of the bottle, but here it's "cool" and for taste. :rolleyes:

Give me a Coors light and an NFL game in HD, and I'll be a happy camper. My tastes are simple.


Quino, will you buy me a beer the next time I'm in Indy?

The adults grabbed from the tail section group were to be killed. Eko fought back and killed one. Michael is gone because he was seaching for Walt, and was not an abduction target. No one from Jack's group has been abducted by Others, IIRC.

Maybe not abducted, but they did kill a redshirt when they demanded Claire be turned over.

Give me a Coors light and an NFL game in HD, and I'll be a happy camper. My tastes are simple.


Quino, will you buy me a beer the next time I'm in Indy?

Certainly! Trolls deserve beer like anyone else! Heck, if you have paypal, I can buy you one today. Jason lives here in Indy too, and since he can't pronounce "your" to my satisfaction, he's probably going to want one too. I'd bet after a few beers, he wouldn't be able to pronounce "Ana Lucia has midget's thumbs" either.

You know, I just looked back, and I think it was CPanther I called a troll. Oh well, one more beer...

Maybe not abducted, but they did kill a redshirt when they demanded Claire be turned over.

Yeah, that was Ethan who killed Scott after sneaking up thru the water. I thought it was a painless choice, killing an extra. I didn't feel anything. I know this screws with some peoples' ethics, but Ethan was provoked. It remains to be seen whether he thought he was doing the right thing by Claire, and we may never know what their intention was with Claire once they took the baby. Kill her or set her free? I honestly believe our perception of The Others is destined to change. Like with Monday's Prison Break, once the backstory of several main prisoners was provided, the perception of their morality was changed.

Did anyone ever see the Bill Paxton movie Frailty? In that film, he believes he's been given the power to discern evil in people, and the righteousness to kill them. I'll leave the resolution for you to discover. I heard this theory elsewhere about LOST -- what if, thru the backstories, we find that all of our survivors turn out to be the evil ones, that they've all done evil things? I suppose that plays up to the debunked Purgatory theory a bit. Regardless, we've all assumed it is appropriate to root for our survivors, they they are the good ones, even if a bit flawed. It'd be interesting to see if that became more twisted. It'd have the same effect as the ending of Nicole Kidman's film, The Others.

7 hours...I'm excited

Did anyone ever see the Bill Paxton movie Frailty? In that film, he believe's he's been given the power to discern evil in people, and the righteousness to kill them. I'll leave the resolution for you to discover. I heard this theory elsewhere about LOST -- what if, thru the backstories, we find that all of our survivors turn out to be the evil ones, that they've all done evil things? I suppose that plays up to the debunked Purgatory theory a bit. Regardless, we've all assumed it is appropriate to root for our survivors, they they are the good ones, even if a bit flawed. It'd be interesting to see if that became more twisted. It'd have the same effect as the ending of Nicole Kidman's film, The Others.

Frailty is actually a very good film. Paxton directed that, btw.

He's come a long way since "Game over, maaaan...game over!" :)

Frailty is actually a very good film. Paxton directed that, btw.

He's come a long way since "Game over, maaaan...game over!" :)

Or my personal favorite,
"How would you like a nice, greasy pork sandwich served in a dirty ashtray?"

He's come a long way since "Game over, maaaan...game over!"He's certainly come a long way since My Science Project.

Is it finally wednesday yet?

7 hours...I'm excited

Excitable boy, they all said...

You're excited? I just bought myself a MyHD MDP-130 HDTV PCI card! I'll never miss another HD episode again!

7 hours...I'm excited
Is that a banana in your pocket?... err, uh, nevermind. :o

Obviously, Hurley ain't gonna die tonight. They're not going to show who is going to die in the previews. Does anyone think we'll see another death of a main character in Season 2?

Whitearrow said:
... The island's mysteries, the maps, etc. are fun, but as far as I'm concerned, they're the "filler" -- it's the character stories and emotions that are the most important part. When those start to conflict internally or not make sense, then I'll worry.Your entire post was well written, Whitearrow, and I took it to heart. But still I sometimes feel let down by the show even when it comes to the interpersonal reationships.

Case in point: Unless I missed it, no one seemed to care that Blimp Boy had stolen mass quantities of food and was scarfing it down out in the jungle in order to maintain his obscene level of obesity. If Charlie didn't tell anyone about Hurley's hoarding after he found out, why not?

And how is it that Jack sometimes treats Sawyer like the thief and bully that he is, and at other times acts as if he came by his loot in some respectable fashion? There could be a reason (Kate?), but the show leaves it up to us to guess about it.

It's this kind of omission that leads me to use adjectives like lazy and arrogant — and yes, even stupid. If anyone cares to suggest more appropriate words to characterize this more-than-careless style of scripting, I'm all ears.

Yes, I still like the show. I ask myself why, and I guess it's because some of the show makes sense, and some more of it may make sense down the road. And then there's the fantasy, the scenery, and Evangeline Lilly.

...
It's this kind of omission that leads me to use adjectives like lazy and arrogant — and yes, even stupid. If anyone cares to suggest more appropriate words to characterize this more-than-careless style of scripting, I'm all ears...

How about 'challenged'? You're sure quick to criticize. Why don't you write and produce your own TV show if you think you can do it so much better? Seriously, why? :cool:

...Blimp Boy had stolen mass quantities of food...

Syzygy, I can't read or hear the words "mass quantities of" anything without thinking 'Coneheads'!

Your entire post was well written, Whitearrow, and I took it to heart. But still I sometimes feel let down by the show even when it comes to the interpersonal reationships.

Case in point: Unless I missed it, no one seemed to care that Blimp Boy had stolen mass quantities of food and was scarfing it down out in the jungle in order to maintain his obscene level of obesity. If Charlie didn't tell anyone about Hurley's hoarding after he found out, why not?

And how is it that Jack sometimes treats Sawyer like the thief and bully that he is, and at other times acts as if he came by his loot in some respectable fashion? There could be a reason (Kate?), but the show leaves it up to us to guess about it.



With Hurley, the writers have the real world to contend with. Let's say the actor's character was confronted, and there were consequences. The actor would have to slim down so that the consequences would manifest in the show. Obviously, it is Jorge's choice whether to remain overweight or not, so the writers have to answer to his lifestyle in the context of the island. The horded food is convenient, without making the actor or his character uncomfortable. Actually, I read elsewhere recently that Jorge is working with specialists to bring down his weight. IIRC, he's lost 40 lbs! Good on him.

With Jack and Sawyer, I think it is all about keeping the peace. Jack has no guaranteed way to confront Sawyer and win. Meanwhile, Sawyer can hold a grudge. Jack picks his battles. If whatever Sawyer has isn't urgently needed, why take it upon himself to force Sawyer to give it up? And like Jack said, "when I need the guns, I'll get the guns."

With Hurley, the writers have the real world to contend with. Let's say the actor's character was confronted, and there were consequences. The actor would have to slim down so that the consequences would manifest in the show. Obviously, it is Jorge's choice whether to remain overweight or not, so the writers have to answer to his lifestyle in the context of the island. The horded food is convenient, without making the actor or his character uncomfortable. Actually, I read elsewhere recently that Jorge is working with specialists to bring down his weight. IIRC, he's lost 40 lbs! Good on him.

With Jack and Sawyer, I think it is all about keeping the peace. Jack has no guaranteed way to confront Sawyer and win. Meanwhile, Sawyer can hold a grudge. Jack picks his battles. If whatever Sawyer has isn't urgently needed, why take it upon himself to force Sawyer to give it up? And like Jack said, "when I need the guns, I'll get the guns."

I agree with both those points. Wondered why the producers didn't just tell Jorge to lose the weight or find his character a victim of the Others - but it looks like they're working on him. And I'm liking the new assertive Jack.

Jason lives here in Indy too, and since he can't pronounce "your" to my satisfaction, he's probably going to want one too...No need for a beer... thanks to our governor backing down on his promise to put us on central time, I can now enjoy watching Lost before the sun goes down! :eek:

And how is it that Jack sometimes treats Sawyer like the thief and bully that he is, and at other times acts as if he came by his loot in some respectable fashion? There could be a reason (Kate?), but the show leaves it up to us to guess about it.
Yes, it does leave the viewers guessing. Most of us like like to speculate about plots, characters, and relationships on TV shows.

It's this kind of omission that leads me to use adjectives like lazy and arrogant — and yes, even stupid. If anyone cares to suggest more appropriate words to characterize this more-than-careless style of scripting, I'm all ears.
You feel the scripting is careless because it doesn't immediately resolve every question you may have about the relationship between every character?

I'm still waiting for you to suggest a better television show, one where there are no plot holes and everything is always resolved at the end of every episode so you don't have to think afterwards.

You're excited? I just bought myself a MyHD MDP-130 HDTV PCI card! I'll never miss another HD episode again!
Until you run out of disk. Or the TV station forgets to flip the switch. It'll happen, trust me! :(

Until you run out of disk. Or the TV station forgets to flip the switch. It'll happen, trust me! :(
Yeah, if his station is as bad as mine, he can expect HD dropouts, or a dropout on one audio channel or all channels. My signal will also get messed up at least once per episode since for some odd reason they feel compelled to stay on VHF (either that or it gets messed up by them and VHF is not responsible).

The producers are trying to address the reruns with ABC:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds31236.html

The producers are trying to address the reruns with ABC:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds31236.html


GOOD! Why is ABC so resistant to non-stop seasons? Because they only have 3 good shows? And they have to spread them out to make money? Learn how to make solid quality programming and you won't have to do this....3 Acts? How about 2! Sci-Fi has done it and it works perfect....that way the writers can write big endings for the last episodes of the 1st half of the season and then get the audience back for the second half...

Yeah, if his station is as bad as mine, he can expect HD dropouts, or a dropout on one audio channel or all channels. My signal will also get messed up at least once per episode since for some odd reason they feel compelled to stay on VHF (either that or it gets messed up by them and VHF is not responsible).

Let me guess; you have a Scientific Atlanta cable box.

Until you run out of disk. Or the TV station forgets to flip the switch. It'll happen, trust me! :(


Yeah, if his station is as bad as mine, he can expect HD dropouts, or a dropout on one audio channel or all channels. My signal will also get messed up at least once per episode since for some odd reason they feel compelled to stay on VHF (either that or it gets messed up by them and VHF is not responsible).

... and there's the pi$$ in the fruit loops. :p

Let me guess; you have a Scientific Atlanta cable box.
Nope, a Pioneer. It happens OTA as well though, so it's definitely the station.

The producers are trying to address the reruns with ABC:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds31236.htmlHey, that would at least be a step in the right direction IMO. If ABC is too dense to do it right like Fox does with 24, at least making three solid blocks is better than spreading it out a few ep here and a few ep there all season. It definitely would be best done straight through to keep the drama up though.


ron

Looks like an improvement to me, hope the ABC execs go for it! Starting the new fall season in October makes good sense too, since it would actually be fall then. Most of September is still summer after all.

lax01, it's less than an hour to go --- I can't imagine how excited you are by now!

lax01, it's less than an hour to go --- I can't imagine how excited you are by now!

EATING LASGNA AND HAPPILY WAITING FOR LOST

Wow hurely that was genious.

Lucky for you we know a new shipment was dropped

EATING LASGNA AND HAPPILY WAITING FOR LOST

Cool. Sorry I forgot the ;) !

Hurley backstories - yeah!

episode is pretty interesting.

Apologies to the Star Trek (original) fans who know the name of every episode.

When Dave throws the coconut at Hurley, then runs away, I couldn't help but be reminded of the episode where Captain Kirk runs into that Irish academy mate on the planet where they read the crew's mind and give them their desires. He chases and fights the guy all over the planet, only to learn the planet's inhabitants fabricate the memories and present them as real, as a form of recreation. This felt just like that.

Dave's not here.

Well now we're finding out why Hurley was in the sanitarium. And more of the numbers - 23 people on the deck that collapsed that was built for 8...

Dave's not here.

Dave IS here; he just wasn't THERE (the sanitarium).

That was one of the weirdest episodes of LOST that I've seen. That was a surprise ending with Libby being in the mental hospital with Hurley.

Wow.

Dave IS here; he just wasn't THERE (the sanitarium).

Then again...

That was one of the weirdest episodes of LOST that I've seen. That was a surprise ending with Libby being in the mental hospital with Hurley.

Absolutely weird. Seems like the writers addressed a couple of issues we've speculated on and discussed here. And I think someone WAY back surmised that about Libby. Wonder what SHE was 'in' for?

Great episode...Jorge was fantastic...and everyone knew that ending was coming...I said it before the episode started....Two great episodes in a row...I guess we get one more and then we get Alias' return (not complaining)...

About what the former-Henry Gale said, he said not even God could see this island...very interesting...and he also noted that Mr. Friendly is not the main Other, that is of course, if he was telling the truth...it seems like he's still playing them...but maybe not.

Again, great episode...

ahah I think the board just died because of hits...

Absolutely weird. Seems like the writers addressed a couple of issues we've speculated on and discussed here. And I think someone WAY back surmised that about Libby. Wonder what SHE was 'in' for?

WHAT? They answer so much stuff....1, why Hugo hasn't gotten thiner 2, more important, whether they are in someone's mind (though no clear yet, but I really don't think thats the direction they're going) 3, someone needed to kick Sawyers ass 4, Libby and her claims to being a social worker...when Hurley said he thought she was familar, he was right, SHE WAS SITTING RIGHT THERE!

I hope they do a Libby episode soon!

...ahah I think the board just died because of hits...

I think we took it out temporarily.

Well, in Claire's flashback, Mr. Friendly was talking about that "he" would not be happy that Ethan took Claire like that and didn't finish the list. So Mr. Friendly is not the main guy.

yup yup...listening to the podcast now...

Where do you find the podcast?
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts/105662.html

hahahah well thats interesting...don't know how that reply got up there

So is Henry Gale lying about not putting in the numbers?
how could he? he knew the exact sequence of what happens after you don't enter the numbers...I think he's telling the truth

NOTE: The times of posts are screwed up. They're showing 13 hours from now. And by the way, posts seem to be coming in out of order, so FYI scroll up to make sure you're not missing any.

Oh yeah, and I believe the former-Henry-Gale that he didn't press the button...i don't think it would make any sense to lie to him Locke about that and then tell him the exact sequence of what happens (when he doesn't know if Locke knows or not)

And I think someone WAY back surmised that about Libby. Wonder what SHE was 'in' for?Exactly. I had a bit of trouble with her story, but then again, some psychologists have their own psychologists.

Where do you find the podcast?

Here's the feed URL. It seems to usually be available on Mondays, two days before the episode.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcast.xml

Here's a web link:

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts.html

Remember, Henry Gale is a liar and the father of lies. Most everything he says is a lie (but he has to sprinkle some truth in). Even when caught in his lies he still lies.

I really think Henry is lying about not inputing the numbers. I think he did enter them.

Ok, but how would he be able to describe the red heiroglyphics and noises?

Or do you mean, he saw/heard those, but then entered the numbers right afterwards just like Locke did when he saw/heard them?

I think we took it out temporarily.Unlikely.

Remember, Henry Gale is a liar and the father of lies. Most everything he says is a lie (but he has to sprinkle some truth in). Even when caught in his lies he still lies.

My wife thinks he is "the man." He's not the peon he's making himself out to be.

Locke may be on to something that maybe the others are looking for the hatch/Swan bunker. I really think Henry is lying about not inputing the numbers. I think he did enter them. He claimed he is "done lying." Cha ... right. Since they showed the timer at 2:xx in the preview, I wonder if sometime in the near future the numbers do not get entered.

Interesting comment about God not even knowing about the island. I think Henry Gale is the main man, and he puts himself and his little island on a level higher than any supernatural being (validly so, since no one from the outside world seems to know about the island.)

Remember what Danielle said ... that he will lie, and then lie some more. Henry sure is a tough cookie to break. Sayid recognizes this, which is why he tried to kill him. Fortunately, Anna sees his value, a trade, and that's what next week's episode looks like it will attempt.


Yes, but it doesn't make logical sense to lie about not entering the numbers. If he refused to give up any more information (to the point that Sayid was going to shoot and kill him), then why would he so willing give up information about the clock's final sequence (information that both us and Locke to know is true) without knowing whether Locke knows or not? It just doesn't seem to fit. If he was lying about the clock, then why didn't he make up information about the Others? why not try to save his own life? You see what I'm getting at?

Unlikely.

well we definitely did something to the thread...its not working right :)

A couple thoughts... when Hurley was eating the peanut butter and Dave shows up, and says "Sorry dude, I am here," Hurley goes back to a "flashback" of the list of things he likes about himself but the sound effect was just a stringed instrument noise, not the whoosh noise that normally denotes a flashback. Don't know if that's significant or not.

There has been suggestion that Dharma and Walt have the ability to project themselves and not the characters just hallucinating. We've seen that within Dharma, there seem to be some good people/protectors like Alex helping Claire escape. Maybe there's a battle going on between good and evil, not the Losties good and ther Others evil, but good and evil Dharma folks, projecting themselves to either coerce or protect the Losties, both in real life and on the island. We have Alex and Libby as protectors, with Ethan and the guy that AL killed as the evil ones.

I've let the AVS Admin know about the problem. Be patient.

OK, here's my take on the show, and remember YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST. The entire 'show' exists in the head of Leonard. It's not a 'dream', it gets around everything the writer's have shot down (purgatory, etc.), and it holds up to their declaration that "everything can be explained".

Ok, but how would he be able to describe the red heiroglyphics and noises?

Inside information perhaps?

Unlikely.

Something sure did!

There has been suggestion that Dharma and Walt have the ability to project themselves and not the characters just hallucinating. We've seen that within Dharma, there seem to be some good people/protectors like Alex helping Claire escape. Maybe there's a battle going on between good and evil, not the Losties good and ther Others evil, but good and evil Dharma folks, projecting themselves to either coerce or protect the Losties, both in real life and on the island. We have Alex and Libby as protectors, with Ethan and the guy that AL killed as the evil ones.

hmm...you got me thinking...the former-Henry Gale even said tonight, "I'm a GOOD PERSON"...I think we always thought there was a break in the Others and that some where good and some were bad (compare the barefoot ones to the ones on the boat, different attitudes and different apperance and seemingly different agendas).

Inside information perhaps?

so why would he tell Locke? Why would he give away such vital information? Seems like he's telling the truth to me

Apologies to the Star Trek (original) fans who know the name of every episode.

When Dave throws the coconut at Hurley, then runs away, I couldn't help but be reminded of the episode where Captain Kirk runs into that Irish academy mate on the planet where they read the crew's mind and give them their desires. He chases and fights the guy all over the planet, only to learn the planet's inhabitants fabricate the memories and present them as real, as a form of recreation. This felt just like that.

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It's starting to remind me of that episode of Star Trek TOS where the crew was stuck on that looney planet. Whatever you happened to be thinking about would visually appear. I don't remember how they resolved that whole thing, or who/what controlled the planet, but one of the main characters did die (and later came magically back to life), if memory serves.

You have to keep up, now....
A bit hard though, as this thread is now lost.

so why would he tell Locke? Why would he give away such vital information? Seems like he's telling the truth to me

He's screwing with Locke...constantly.

He's screwing with Locke...constantly.


ok, so fakeGale tells information Locke already knows (and something fakeGale could only possibly know if didn't push the button or if he was an Other with inside info) and that just about proves that is he an Other...case closed. Locke never trusts him again...or he tells him the truth...

He also called the hatch a joke...almost refering to it as the Skinner Box thinks it is...

or it could all just be misdirection from the directors...who really knows (till next week!)?

it says the right time now...

it says the right time now...

Not below your post it doesn't. (OK, below my posts).

This is going to be a mess to sort through when the west coast viewers begin posting.

Not below your post it doesn't. (OK, below this post).

okay, you're right.... wtf is going on? on my laptop upstairs, everything is fine, all the times, pages, posts are fine. on the kitchen computer its all messed up. without the timestamp i'm lost (no pun intended) in this thread.

OK, here's my take on the show, and remember YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST. The entire 'show' is in the head of Leonard. It's not a 'dream', it gets around everything the writer's have shot down (purgatory, etc.), and it holds up to their declaration that "everything can be explained".

I don't think they are dumb enough to do that to us...too many ppl have invested too much time for it all to be a fabrication.

well we definitely did something to the thread...its not working right :)
It's only not working right in your mind. You're just imagining things. ;)

I think in hindsight, this is maybe my least favorite episode this season. I mean, basically it's 99% red herring pointless scenes. All of the Hurley stuff just turns out to be his imagination, and then the Henry stuff you can never believe a word he says so it's just frustrating. Not a freaking word about the map from last week, and next week's ep preview doesn't look that promising map-wise either.

I think in hindsight, this is maybe my least favorite episode this season. I mean, basically it's 99% red herring pointless scenes. All of the Hurley stuff just turns out to be his imagination, and then the Henry stuff you can never believe a word he says so it's just frustrating. Not a freaking word about the map from last week, and next week's ep preview doesn't look that promising map-wise either.
How do you know they're red herrings? You don't...

And why do they have to carry everything over from one episode immediately to the next? They don't...

Have you been watching the same show? Not sure if you've noticed, but when they drop a bombshell on us (like the map), they tend to wait a while before revealing much else about it...

It's only not working right in your mind. You're just imagining things. ;)

naw threads are all over the place...:)

Wow.
Ditto.

I saw the Fight Club (Eat Club?) thing once the doc took the Polarioid, but they still took it two clever steps beyond that.

Myself I'll take Negra Modela.
That's Negra Modelo, since this thread likes to get technical. It's also one of my favorites.

Apologies to the Star Trek (original) fans who know the name of every episode.

When Dave throws the coconut at Hurley, then runs away, I couldn't help but be reminded of the episode where Captain Kirk runs into that Irish academy mate on the planet where they read the crew's mind and give them their desires. He chases and fights the guy all over the planet, only to learn the planet's inhabitants fabricate the memories and present them as real, as a form of recreation. This felt just like that.
Finnegan!

So..Leonard is imagining Libby imagining Hurley imagining a plane crash on a remote island? Works for me.

Actually, I figured Dave was a Beautiful Mind type of guy to Hugo fairly quickly, but it was still fun. I think either the writers are very clever and had planned this type of twist all along, or else, once again, they have been reading this forum and getting ideas from our rantings!

To me, the real "reveal" was that Hugo was responsible (in a way) for some deaths. It adds to the list we had started 1 million posts ago about which characters have been involved with the death of another either through action or inaction, or being in the wrong place at the wrong time:

Kate: her boyfriend and her dad
Jack: Shannon's dad
Locke: Boone
Boone: his (what was it, babysitter? nanny?)
AL: the guy she shot in the alley; Shannon; one "other"
Eko: his brother, and a bunch of "others"
Sawyer: the guy he thought was Sawyer
Walt: possibly his mom and a bird
Sayid: his friend, so Nadia could escape

That's Negra Modelo, since this thread likes to get technical. It's also one of my favorites.

Indeed. Haven't had any in awhile so checked several internet sites for the spelling prior to posting and they spelled it incorrectly also.

I don't think they are dumb enough to do that to us...too many ppl have invested too much time for it all to be a fabrication.

Remember St. Elsewhere.

I think in hindsight, this is maybe my least favorite episode this season. I mean, basically it's 99% red herring pointless scenes. All of the Hurley stuff just turns out to be his imagination, and then the Henry stuff you can never believe a word he says so it's just frustrating. Not a freaking word about the map from last week, and next week's ep preview doesn't look that promising map-wise either.

They'll get around to it eventually. They got back to Eko's project this week. Still don't know for sure what he's building (someone surmised a church).

It's only not working right in your mind. You're just imagining things. ;)

It's not just me --- there are 'others'.

A few things. Those two pictures are COMPLETELY different. Hurley's body posture, wrinkles in the clothes, the plate...everything. Hmmmmmm....

I'm sure everyone noticed, but the only time Dave appeared is when Hurley was fixating about food. First when Hurley saw the dropped Food with everyone, then when he was eating the fish crackers, then the peanut butter......

The French lady almost appears to be some sort of Prophet. Everything she is saying will happen is happening. Like "...Gale will lie, then lie some more"

Just a Test. When I hit Reply, my message went WAY before this one with the picture. Seeing what happens when I hit "Quote"

The plate of celery and the stuff behind changed as well. But I don't think it's night in the second one, it's just the tree in the window and bad lighting.

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Wonder what the Bill says after "if you're reading this..." since I don't think Sayid read that far.

Finnegan!

right! And the episode was "Shore Leave", if my fanboy memory is still good.

The Polaroid inconsistencies, in my opinion, are simply from restaging takes. In the real world, Dave is real, and so that photo had to be taken twice. They're going to get a couple things slightly different, such as the looks on Hurley's face. So what? The point was, Dave wasn't real. Case closed.

I thought it was interesting that when "the guy with the beard" was mentioned to Henry, he knew who they were talking about. If the beard was fake, and we already saw Mr. Friendly not wearing it, how did Henry know who they were talking about? Further to that, if he knew exactly, every other man would have to not have a beard. Then again, it could be just like the Polaroid -- we knew him best with the beard, so it was the most convenient way to write the scene.

My mother called me last night, claiming to have figured out the whole show.

We, as viewers, think that "LOST" refers to the people on the island.
In reality, "LOST" describes we the viewers! :)

I think Henry is testing Locke's intelligence. When he told him "God can't see this place," it was an indication that he was lying... because God can see all. I don't think Locke picked up on that.

Last night Kate was very present in the hatch, while just hours ago (presumably - in LOST time) Jack was lying to her about the plumbing not working in order to keep her out. What's the story there, inconsistency?

Wonder what the Bill says after "if you're reading this..." since I don't think Sayid read that far.

It said "If you are reading this, then I guess I didn't make it" or something to that effect.

I'm not going to attempt to use the reply function since the posts seem to be jumping around, but I'd like to address some stuff:

1 - As far as Henry telling Locke what happened after the numbers ran out - maybe he knows that not entering them shortly after they run out isn't a problem. However, if you let it go too long, something bad does happen in the bunker. So, he tells Locke what starts to happen hoping he'll test the theory (not knowing it's already happened). He figures Locke will see exactly what Henry told him would happen come true and allow the sequence to continue.

2 - Kate being in the bunker. Anna said the rest of the people were told Henry was in there, so there was no reason not to let Kate back in.

3 - Like some others, I simply assumed the descrepancy in the photos was due to retakes. It's hard to be 100% accurate when you don't have a person to fill that space.

My mother called me last night, claiming to have figured out the whole show.

We, as viewers, think that "LOST" refers to the people on the island.
In reality, "LOST" describes we the viewers! :)Count me in on this theory... :confused:

Last night Kate was very present in the hatch, while just hours ago (presumably - in LOST time) Jack was lying to her about the plumbing not working in order to keep her out. What's the story there, inconsistency?

It is one of those conversations that we never get to see, but apparently seem to happen from time to time.

It seems as though new posts are showing the correct posting time, but are being inserted into the thread before previous posts that had the incorrect time.

So, is this a problem with the board, or am I in an episode of Lost where I am imagining I am time travelling?

Regarding Libby: Wow, I got one right. Must be pretty obvious if I can guess that.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6959673&highlight=libby#post6959673

one question - when the 'imaginary guy' asks hurly if he seen the numbers guy on the island, he said yea in the hatch. Who the hell is the numbers guy, i dont remember seeing him on the island

Please, let's not drag out the polaroid discrepancy- it's a non-issue. Just like the ice cubes in Jack's drink at the airport. I'm all for easter eggs and for when someone notices something out of the ordinary, but let's not go overboard!

Some random thoughts:

I think ET is on the right track when he suggested a few posts above (or a few pages back; the LOST thread seems to be caught in some sort of space-time disruption - clearly the Hanso Foundation is fracking with us because we're getting too close to the truth!) that Faux-Henry might be the main man, the guy Mr. Friendly was referring to. Don't know why exactly, just think it would be a good twist. And he's an awfully good liar.

Some have postulated that Faux-Henry was telling the truth to Locke since he knows what happens when the clock hits zero (hieroglyphics, etc.). Not necessarily. Perhaps The Others have a way to monitor what happens in the various Darma stations, including The Swan, and knew the clock had hit zero, but Locke got the numbers entered before all the hieroglyphics appeared so nothing "bad" happened. So, Faux-Henry was aware of what had happened, and was able to throw that out to fool Locke into believing another lie.

Maybe something did happen, not only when Locke had his incident with the numbers, but again when Faux-Henry was supposedly punching in the numbers in the computer room. We just don't know what it is. Maybe the world [outside the island] has been destroyed and we, and the Lostaways, just don't know about it. ;)

Maybe nothing really happens when the clock hits zero except a lot of strange noises, and watching the "subjects" reactions is just part of the Darma experimental observations (this has been suggested before).

Rousseau actually originally said about Faux-Henry: "He will lie, for a long time." That perhaps suggests that eventually he will be finished with his lying. So, maybe he's now telling Locke the truth. Or, uh, maybe not. :p

Hurley and Libby joyously tossing all that food around that Hurley had stashed was a bit out of character. There are 40 other Lostaways and they'll likely need that food. Very selfish to just waste it like that. (Then again, Hurley stole it, so they wouldn't have known about it to begin with. But it's still a selfish act.)

Libby looked a bit "out of it" and disoriented in that final scene at the sanitarium. Yet she seems perfectly fine now. My theory is that she knows about Hurley's money and is playing him. Does that make her a "bad" person, and thus a future target of the Others? Or, is she an Other plant? (Has anyone seen her on the plane during any of the flashbacks/backstories?)

I am just curious to see where the post ends up. :rolleyes:

Locke seems to be getting more and more angry as he loses control of "his" hatch. When he heard that gunshot, he appeared pissed that no one really told him what happened.

Overall, I really enjoyed it again, even if was pretty freaky. It is one thing for Kate, Jack, and Sawyer to see things on the island. It is another to have an imaginary friend actually interact with his surroundings and Hurley.

Whe will Locke tell Jack aboout the Dharma map and then go find the other stations?

Regarding Libby: Wow, I got one right. Must be pretty obvious if I can guess that.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6959673&highlight=libby#post6959673

High fives to you Bluto17!

Some have postulated that Faux-Henry was telling the truth to Locke since he knows what happens when the clock hits zero (hieroglyphics, etc.). Not necessarily. Perhaps The Others have a way to monitor what happens in the various Darma stations, including The Swan, and knew the clock had hit zero, but Locke got the numbers entered before all the hieroglyphics appeared so nothing "bad" happened. So, Faux-Henry was aware of what had happened, and was able to throw that out to fool Locke into believing another lie.


Faux-Henry was already in custody when the clock "almost" reached zero the 1st time.

one question - when the 'imaginary guy' asks hurly if he seen the numbers guy on the island, he said yea in the hatch. Who the hell is the numbers guy, i dont remember seeing him on the island

He asked if he'd seen the NUMBERS anywhere else, not the numbers GUY.

I think the thread time stamps are straightened out now. Boy, what a cluster you-know-what!

one question - when the 'imaginary guy' asks hurly if he seen the numbers guy on the island, he said yea in the hatch. Who the hell is the numbers guy, i dont remember seeing him on the island

He had that dream when he was going thru the food, but it was his buddy at the chicken shop (dressed in the suit) and Jin, who spoke English in the dream. I can't recall any other scenes with Hurley seeing something not actually there.

Faux-Henry was already in custody when the clock "almost" reached zero the 1st time.

Ah, right you are. He still might know about the countdown clock, though, and whether or not it's bogus, if the Others knew about the clock. Or not. It's all so confusing; I feel like Libby looked in that final scene.

I don't think that the main guy that Henry and Smiley referred to is Henry... it's gotta be A. Hanzo.

This episode reminded me of that Buffy the V.S. episode where she was imagining their whole world while in a looney bin. Not that I watched that show... every week.. religously.

Libby looked a bit "out of it" and disoriented in that final scene at the sanitarium. Yet she seems perfectly fine now. My theory is that she knows about Hurley's money and is playing him. Does that make her a "bad" person, and thus a future target of the Others? Or, is she an Other plant? (Has anyone seen her on the plane during any of the flashbacks/backstories?)Dave did tell Hurley that she (magically?) appeared from the other side of the island. BTW, Sawyer's not gonna frak with Hurley anymore :p .

People are reading too much into the lighting discrepancy with the photo of Hurley. The photo looks so dark because it was taken with a Polaroid Instamatic camera with extremely poor contrast range. If you've ever used one of those in any indoor setting, day or night, you'd get the same results with objects in the immediate flash area being overlit and anything in the background looking dark. They're crappy cameras and that's just the way they work.

one question - when the 'imaginary guy' asks hurly if he seen the numbers guy on the island, he said yea in the hatch. Who the hell is the numbers guy, i dont remember seeing him on the island
Bump for this question...I am wondering the same thing...what's up with that?

He asked if he'd seen the NUMBERS anywhere else, not the numbers GUY.
no he said the numbers guy. closed captions quote "leanords numbers, right? from the hospital? what a coincidence. You seen HIM around anywhere else?".."Hurly: the hatch"

Last night Kate was very present in the hatch, while just hours ago (presumably - in LOST time) Jack was lying to her about the plumbing not working in order to keep her out. What's the story there, inconsistency?

I don't think he could NOT tell her what was up once Sayid, AL and Charlie came out of the jungle with the revelation about not-Henry. He can't exactly send her away at that point, so she found out during the course of Sayid filling Jack in. No inconsistency, just a discussion that clearly occurred off-screen.

Closed captioning must have been wrong then....I heard him say, You seen THEM around anywhere else?"

one question - when the 'imaginary guy' asks hurly if he seen the numbers guy on the island, he said yea in the hatch. Who the hell is the numbers guy, i dont remember seeing him on the island
I don't believe that is correct. I heard "have you seen THEM on the island" and "yeah, the hatch"

no he said the numbers guy. closed captions quote "leanords numbers, right? from the hospital? what a coincidence. You seen HIM around anywhere else?".."Hurly: the hatch"

Sounds like the CC was wrong - again. It makes far more sense as 'You seen THEM anywhere else?' We know that Hurley has seen the numbers both on and inside the hatch, but we've seen no indication that he's seen Leonard.

no he said the numbers guy. closed captions quote "leanords numbers, right? from the hospital? what a coincidence. You seen HIM around anywhere else?".."Hurly: the hatch"
If he had really said he saw Leonard in the hatch, then Hurley seeing Dave on the island wouldn't have come as much of a shock.

Henry won't give his real name -- why? When two people that didn't know each other exchange names, the names are just a convenience for conversation. Henry withholds his name for some reason important to him. That is the relevant issue -- why not share it? First possibility is that they would recognize it, either from their time before on the island, or since being on the island, and that would be harmful to his objective. Namely, if he's Dharma then his name might correlate with one of the names on the orientation film -- Hanso, DeGroot, or whatever. It would prove he's Dharma. Second possibility is, Henry doesn't know his real name. Maybe he's been traumatized, brainwashed, etc. Third, he knows his name, but it's been too long since he used it. He has, in effect, become someone else and Gale is just more relevant to him. Fourth, If he's an Other pawn, he may have been threatened not to give his name. Finally, he's just being an arse, and not disclosing his name is something he can control as a prisoner. Only the first and fourth possibilities are meaningful to the viewers, in that it would lead to more discovery.

Henry and the clock -- On the one hand, he said The Swan is stupid, (or however he said it). Yet when he talked about the electromagnetic clunking, he claimed it was scary (or however he said it). Either it is stupid, or it is scary, but it can't be both. Now, a guy who had no knowledge of the electromagnetic effects of the island, or electromagnetism in general, would probably not describe a sound in that way. I think that is a tell -- he associated the end of the count with an electromagnetic event. He also said it was loud, but we heard everything, such as the numbers flipping and the alarms. I don't remember a loud, scary, electromagnetic sound. It just sounded like the last time it went past zero.

Now, if he's lying about what he did with the clock, what's his motivation? What does he want to communicate to Locke? If he tells Locke the bunker is irrelevant, and the count is irrelevant, Locke may believe him and try not resetting it himself. And again, either the clunking was loud and scary, or it was nothing. Clearly though, there was that reaction, not just the count resetting.

Henry's motivation -- Locke said, maybe The Others want to find the bunker. Well, from what Mr. Friendly told Jack at their jungle run-in, they already know they're in there, because he said something about messing in places they shouldn't have. Henry could be a generic spy -- what are they up to, how are they using the Swan, are they a threat? Henry could be under the control of The Others, and is just trying to keep himself alive -- the situation he's claimed. There are other possibilities, these are just a few ideas.

I think he actually said "You, uh... seen 'em around anywhere else?" which would explain why the CC guy transcribed it wrong. I know how people feel about contractions around here! :)

It's all so confusing; I feel like Libby looked in that final scene.

But did you see the look on Libby's face when Hurley asked "do you remember when I said I knew you from somewhere?"

I don't think that the main guy that Henry and Smiley referred to is Henry... it's gotta be A. Hanzo.

LEONARD A. Hanzo, perhaps?

I don't think he could NOT tell her what was up once Sayid, AL and Charlie came out of the jungle with the revelation about not-Henry. He can't exactly send her away at that point, so she found out during the course of Sayid filling Jack in. No inconsistency, just a discussion that clearly occurred off-screen.

Besides, Ana Lucia said in the hatch that Jack was down on the beach telling everyone they had a guy in custody.

Hurley said he was headed to the caves, that no one lived there anymore. I didn't realize they'd left the caves. Apparently it is because some are occupying the hatch? Did we see anything else on this move earlier?

I don't believe that is correct. I heard "have you seen THEM on the island" and "yeah, the hatch"

Playing it back a couple of times I can hear where some heard "him" and some heard "them" (or 'im or 'em), but it's obvious that he said "them" or the contraction of same.

I thought it was a very cool ep, shedding some light on Hurley's past and state of mind. The stuff with Faux Gale is great. It's just a major mind fu*k thing the way they are playing it out because every time you think you know what the deal is with him, it twists a little more. They leave you thinking he was forced to "assume the HG role" by some of the Others, but then in the previews they show him with a very devilish, evil kind of look on his face...

Some of you people should thank the writers for inserting the line about Jack being "down at the beach, explaining to everyone else about the guy in the Hatch", just to placate you ;).

I love how they often carry a story line to a seemingly happy-happy conclusion, they throw the changeup like they did with the scene of spaced out Libby at the mental ward with the ominous music in the background. Perfectly executed stuff. The one question I have that I can't remember exactly from the earlier ep, was it Hurley or Libby that said the "haven't I seen you somewhere before?" line when she was "bonding" with him? My memory seems to think it was Libby that said it, and Hurley replied with something about stepping on her foot at the airport? Or do I just have it backward?


ron

People are reading too much into the lighting discrepancy with the photo of Hurley. The photo looks so dark because it was taken with a Polaroid Instamatic camera with extremely poor contrast range. If you've ever used one of those in any indoor setting, day or night, you'd get the same results with objects in the immediate flash area being overlit and anything in the background looking dark. They're crappy cameras and that's just the way they work.
I agree. What I think we saw was the flash reflected off of a window that wasn't getting direct sunlight (the one to Hurley's left had sunlight coming through it). Polaroid film (at least the stuff I used) was pretty slow (ISO 75) and folding Polaroid cameras had really slow f8 lenses. They made up for this by giving the camera a incredibly powerful flash which could easily outlight a dim window.

...Or do I just have it backward?

You have it backwards. :D

You have it backwards. :DWell, they do say the mind is the first thing to go I guess. Or was that the body...? ;)


ron

I agree. What I think we saw was the flash reflected off of a window that wasn't getting direct sunlight (the one to Hurley's left had sunlight coming through it). Polaroid film (at least the stuff I used) was pretty slow (ISO 75) and folding Polaroid cameras had really slow f8 lenses. They made up for this by giving the camera a incredibly powerful flash which could easily outlight a dim window.


It's not just the lighting. The plate, the expression on Hurley's face, and his body posture. All different. However, in the split second it took to snap the photo, hearly could have moved a little.

That was one of the weirdest episodes of LOST that I've seen. That was a surprise ending with Libby being in the mental hospital with Hurley.I believe someone floated that opinion during last season. It made sense to me since she never seemed to really act like a Doc.

YMMV

I stand corrected, a few months ago, this season .... maybe I'm the one lost in time :D

The poker scene was a little bit frustrating. Why would Sawyer call an all in bet with absolutely nothing? He knows he is beat. He would have dumped it. They should have had Sawyer go all in on a bluff, and have Jack call him with a pair of nines.

Guess the writer don't play a lot of poker.
:confused:

The poker scene was a little bit frustrating. Why would Sawyer call an all in bet with absolutely nothing? He knows he is beat. He would have dumped it. They should have had Sawyer go all in on a bluff, and have Jack call him with a pair of nines.

Guess the writer don't play a lot of poker.
:confused:

Scenes like this are a means to an end. The outcome is much more important than the details. "Jack wins medicine in poker game." Done deal.

Definitely a very cool ep. So is this all in Hurley's head or not? Are we going to start seeing a drooling Jack and hysterical Locke in a padded room now? Me thinks not. I kinda doubt Hurley went so far as to make up backstories for everyone as well...

It's not just the lighting. The plate, the expression on Hurley's face, and his body posture. All different. However, in the split second it took to snap the photo, hearly could have moved a little.

Plus, there's the obvious fact that Hurley's crazy and was just imagining all that stuff we saw in the "before" shot.

Plus, there's the obvious fact that Hurley's crazy and was just imagining all that stuff we saw in the "before" shot.


True. Maybe he's imagining Libby too.

The one question I have that I can't remember exactly from the earlier ep, was it Hurley or Libby that said the "haven't I seen you somewhere before?" line when she was "bonding" with him? My memory seems to think it was Libby that said it, and Hurley replied with something about stepping on her foot at the airport? Or do I just have it backward?
I thought Hugo asked her that while in the hatch (washing machine). I believe she responded by saying he stepped on her foot during flight 815, or something (she might've lied). Again, because she was an appearent patient doesn't mean she cannot be a therapist/student also. She did successfully help Claire recover important lost memories.

<snip> Again, because she was an appearent patient doesn't mean she cannot be a therapist/student also. She did successfully help Claire recover important lost memories.

Maybe she felt compelled to become a clinical psychologist after being helped by the doctors in the hospital.

<snip>
Again, because she was an appearent patient doesn't mean she cannot be a therapist/student also. She did successfully help Claire recover important lost memories.

Or as Butthead says, "just because one thing is cool, doesn't mean another thing doesn't suck."

I thought Hugo asked her that while in the hatch (washing machine). I believe she responded by saying he stepped on her foot during flight 815, or something (she might've lied). Again, because she was an appearent patient doesn't mean she cannot be a therapist/student also. She did successfully help Claire recover important lost memories.

Normal, professional people can experience a brief psychotic breakdown caused by some significant emotional event. They can also recover and continue their lives.

So, I agree. Libby could have had some issues, then worked them out. Hugo also had some issues, and despite last night, is still one of the most "normal" people on the island!

Maybe she felt compelled to become a clinical psychologist after being helped by the doctors in the hospital.Or maybe she really was/is a clinical psychologist and working with all the wacky people just drove her crazy :D.


ron

It's not just the lighting. The plate, the expression on Hurley's face, and his body posture. All different. However, in the split second it took to snap the photo, hearly could have moved a little.
These little things don't bother me too much. What does bother me... where's the patient who was sitting in front of the window? He's not it the Polaroid at all! Was he another one of Hurley's imaginary friends? :confused:

I'm sure everyone noticed, but the only time Dave appeared is when Hurley was fixating about food. First when Hurley saw the dropped Food with everyone, then when he was eating the fish crackers, then the peanut butter......

I noticed that too, and wondered if maybe it was because either the food had gone bad being out in the heat, or maybe the Dharma people spiked the food with hallucinogens.

~Alan

Forget about the photo!
It was not meant to be paused and discected.
The doc took it to show Hurley that his "friend" did not exist.

Last night Kate was very present in the hatch, while just hours ago (presumably - in LOST time) Jack was lying to her about the plumbing not working in order to keep her out. What's the story there, inconsistency?

If someone has it to check, maybe they can look it up, but didn't she follow Jack, Sayid, Charlie and Ana Lucia to the hatch when they confronted "Henry" (the name of my cousin's new son).

~Alan

Forget about the photo!
It was not meant to be paused and discected.
The doc took it to show Hurley that his "friend" did not exist.
And I suppose you think the Death Star really blew up. :D

Last night's ep was awesome! I know it's not this simple, but after seeing Libby in the mental ward with Hurley, I was thinking maybe the people on the island are all committed. The "others" could be the hospital staff that are treating them for their delusions. So it sets up that good vs. evil, lord of the flies thing. JMO.

Like I said, it can't be that simple.

Hurley and Libby joyously tossing all that food around that Hurley had stashed was a bit out of character. There are 40 other Lostaways and they'll likely need that food. Very selfish to just waste it like that. (Then again, Hurley stole it, so they wouldn't have known about it to begin with. But it's still a selfish act.)

It appears it doesn't matter anymore since The Dharma Initiative has replenished the food.

Libby looked a bit "out of it" and disoriented in that final scene at the sanitarium. Yet she seems perfectly fine now. My theory is that she knows about Hurley's money and is playing him. Does that make her a "bad" person, and thus a future target of the Others? Or, is she an Other plant? (Has anyone seen her on the plane during any of the flashbacks/backstories?)

Whenever Hurley said that Libby was familiar, I thought maybe she worked at the Sanitarium (though they patient thing was my second choice), so no big surprise there.

On the other hand, the possibility that all this is simply in Hurley's imagination was something I didn't see coming, and a very intriguing possibility (and one that doesn't bother me as it does some people).

However, Libby's reassurance to Hurley that she's real, and how he doesn't know the name of the guy with the broken leg brought up an interesting theory I didn't see anyone else mention (either here, or on TVGuide.com), is that maybe this is simply in Libby's head... perhaps as a way for her to be alone on an island with Hurley (after developing a crush on him which is why she's staring at him so intently at the end), and oh, by the way, the object of her affection is a millionaire, and she's a clinical psychiatrist instead of a patient.

Either way, I'm suddenly very interested in a "Libby" flashback episode...

~Alan

And I suppose you think the Death Star really blew up. :D

What's a Death Star?

These little things don't bother me too much.
I don't normally notice the discrepancies in shows, as I understand they will be there with the takes, retakes, etc.

But, I just watched last night's episode again over lunch and noticed at the end of the show, shortly after Libby kisses Hurley on the cliff, it is a close shot from Libby's perspective, and her left hand is between them on Hurley's (sweaty) chest. (I thought - "you've got to be pretty attracted to someone to be able to put your hand on their sweat-soaked shirt.")

The show then cuts away to looking down the cliff at the water, and when they cut back to full body shots of Libby and Hurley, as they start to walk down off the cliff, Libby's hand is not on Hurley's chest (where it just was), but it is down at their sides, and Hurley and Libby are holding hands. :o

Maybe I'll go through the other 16 or so episodes and look for things like that ... nah! :rolleyes:

He wasn't a millionaire while in the looney bin though.

Did you guys notice her face change as they walked away from the cliff? She got a very evil and/or disgusted look on her face after she said that she believed that he could change. Then it cut back to that last flashback. The wife noticed it too when she watched in on Tivo.

One other thing to think about: If Libby indeed was a Darma agent while in the sanitarium, perhaps she was there to keep an eye on Leonard, not Hurley. Her instructions may have been to monitor the people around Leonard to see if the numbers affected them, or if anybody paid undue attention to his endless repetition of the numbers.

Think Libby's been following Hurley around since he got out of the looney bin? For whatever reason: innocent crush, sinister gold-digging, etc.

Might explain why she's latched on to him since they first met up on the island. I'd like to see the episode again where they first meet on the island and see what kind of reaction she has upon seeing him.

He wasn't a millionaire while in the looney bin though.
That would be part of her delusion. She wouldn't want Hurley to be a cook at Mr. Clucks.

One other thing to think about: If Libby indeed was a Darma agent while in the sanitarium, perhaps she was there to keep an eye on Leonard, not Hurley. Her instructions may have been to monitor the people around Leonard to see if the numbers affected them, or if anybody paid undue attention to his endless repetition of the numbers.

Leonard and Libby both being in the sanitarium is indeed significant. And the reason is related to some past association with DHARMA. I think they're both victims. I don't see anything sinster (yet).

naw threads are all over the place...:)
(It was a joke...)

I've been thinking a lot about this "all in Hurley's head" business. And, like many of you, I think it's a red herring. But it does make you wonder what is in his head. Did he really win the lottery with those numbers? I doubt it. Is the reason he never gets hurt while everyone around him experiences tragedy because the reality is that it's all "in his head"? He said he was cursed and every where he goes bad things happen. If his existence is mostly in his head that makes sense. Is the reason that the code for the bunker is the same as the numbers Hurley was exposed to because Hurley was in fact exposed to them and this is all part of the psychological examination/experimentation going on by Dharma? So far, that's the only logical explanation for the numbers being used as the code and on the hatch that I've seen. I think their appearance elsewhere is a plot point that makes it fun for viewers to catch, but not essentially for plot development (23 people on the dock is neat to catch, but if it was 24 the story wouldn't be changed, for example).

I was really thrown off by Libby appearing at the end. It obviously answers two questions as to where Hurley knew her from and why the "hot blonde" would be attracted to him.

If I'm not mistaken Hurley wasn't originally supposed to even be on the show, but because of such positive reactions to him they had to create a part.

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Regarding "Henry," when he said this place is a joke that seemed really significant to me and suggested strongly that they were all puppets on a string. If they were all hand picked to be on the island, how in the world could Dharma coordinate getting them all on the plane ?

Weird show, great episode.

Ok, I'm surprised nobody has picked up on/posted this yet:

When asked if anyone heard a plane the previous night, Sawyer said (sarcastically) "...I did. But I decided not to tell anyone." (paraphrased)

I immediately thought that was a nod to fans and our obsession with everyone's secrecy on the island.

Ok, I'm surprised nobody has picked up on/posted this yet:

When asked if anyone heard a plane the previous night, Sawyer said (sarcastically) "...I did. But I decided not to tell anyone." (paraphrased)

I immediately thought that was a nod to fans and our obsession with everyone's secrecy on the island.

I just thought it was Sawyer being sarcastic...

~Alan

I've been thinking a lot about this "all in Hurley's head" business. And, like many of you, I think it's a red herring. But it does make you wonder what is in his head. Did he really win the lottery with those numbers? I doubt it.

Remember that we saw Hurley winning the lottery on Korean television (in the background) during a Jin/Sun backstory episode. We also know that the newly rich Hurley owned the box factory that Locke worked at and which burned. So, there have been other indications during the show's run that verify he did indeed win the lottery.

He wasn't a millionaire while in the looney bin though.

Did you guys notice her face change as they walked away from the cliff? She got a very evil and/or disgusted look on her face after she said that she believed that he could change. Then it cut back to that last flashback. The wife noticed it too when she watched in on Tivo.

Yes, I did notice her facial expression changed. I would describe it more of a disgusted look then evil, but I did see it. Made me think she was up to something, tricking Hurely in some way. Then we see her in the "looney bin" - wow - that could go so many ways.

I like this episode a lot, I don't think it moved the plot along very much, but I found it very enjoyable.

Did he really win the lottery with those numbers? I doubt it.
Are you saying him appearing on the news in the Jin backstory was in his imagination? He was on the TV and the report said something about "record Lottery win" or something.

Ok, I'm surprised nobody has picked up on/posted this yet:

When asked if anyone heard a plane the previous night, Sawyer said (sarcastically) "...I did. But I decided not to tell anyone." (paraphrased)

I immediately thought that was a nod to fans and our obsession with everyone's secrecy on the island.

Many people have posted that perhaps the writers are reading these threads and writing things into the script to "answer" or address what's said here - I find that hard to beleive, although at times it does seem that way. Aren't these shows written, tape way in advance? I mean they have to do post production stuff before it can be shipped to studios etc. And for this example, the food drop, we just started talking about that just over a week ago, no way they could get that put in that quickly, right :confused:

Are you saying him appearing on the news in the Jin backstory was in his imagination? He was on the TV and the report said something about "record Lottery win" or something.

Great point. Do we know the order of events for the lottery and being institutionalized? Which happened first?

Yes, I did notice her facial expression changed. I would describe it more of adisgusted look then evil, but I did see. Made me think she was up to something, tricking Hurely in some way. Then we see her in the "looney bin" - wow - that could go so many ways.

I like this episode a lot, I don't think it moved the plot along very much, but I found it very enjoyable.

It could also be an attack of conscience.

Especially after last night's episode, I don't think Libby was "just another passenger".

Hurley is a neat guy. If she is Dharma (which I suspect), and her assignment is to get close to him, lie to him, manipulate him then it may be getting to her.

What is interesting is that Hurley doens't remember her and connect her with the institution. I mean, he does know at some level, thus the "you look familiar".

In Senator Kelly's.... er, Hurley's doctor's office, did you guys see the picture on the wall right behind Hurley? First was a picture of a tropical island surrounded by beautiful water. In the second scene, I thought it changed to something else. I need to look again, because it might just have been the camera angle. But even if it was the same picture, how cool is it that it was a picture of an island? :)

Great point. Do we know the order of events for the lottery and being institutionalized? Which happened first?


He was in the hospital first....because that is where he learned the lottery numbers.

Hurley is a neat guy. If she is Dharma (which I suspect), and her assignment is to get close to him, lie to him, manipulate him then it may be getting to her.

How does this track with her being in the institution with him, though? Was she watching him that far back? That would suggest that Dharma was responsible for everything that followed -- Hurley winning the lottery with the numbers, all the bad things that happened, his quest to find out what the numbers mean that leads to Australia... everything that leads up to him being on flight 815.

It would also suggest that if that's true, Dharma is responsible for *everything* that led up to all the survivors' being on that flight... which, once you start thinking about them, seems to be too far-fetched even for this show. (Dharma responsible for Shannon choosing a jerk for a boyfriend? For Christian's alcoholism? etc.)

Aren't these shows written, tape way in advance? I mean they have to do post production stuff before it can be shipped to studios etc. And for this example, the food drop, we just started talking about that just over a week ago, no way they could get that put in that quickly, right :confused:

yes you are correct but Lindelhof and Cuse receive questions and hear theories about the island long before production. Either directly, at conferences or by news summaries about the Cult of Lost. That's why they addressed the subject of Hurley's weight last season in a throwaway line, Gale's comment about the bunker at the end of an episode this season, the "somebody is imagining it all" theory this week etc.

It's been theorised for a long time that the bunker is just an outpost for a command center somewhere else and that failure to punch the numbers would result in an airstrike, so an airdrop qould be a logical progession of that idea.

It could also be an attack of conscience.

Especially after last night's episode, I don't think Libby was "just another passenger".

Hurley is a neat guy. If she is Dharma (which I suspect), and her assignment is to get close to him, lie to him, manipulate him then it may be getting to her.

What is interesting is that Hurley doens't remember her and connect her with the institution. I mean, he does know at some level, thus the "you look familiar".
Maybe Hanso's out of money and needs Hurly's lotto cash to keep the project going..... ;)

I don't think that the main guy that Henry and Smiley referred to is Henry... it's gotta be A. Hanzo.

This episode reminded me of that Buffy the V.S. episode where she was imagining their whole world while in a looney bin. Not that I watched that show... every week.. religously.

Yes, reminded me very much of that particular episode, except of course without the demon stabbing, vampires, and magic.

Many people have posted that perhaps the writers are reading these threads and writing things into the script to "answer" or address what's said here - I find that hard to beleive, although at times it does seem that way. Aren't these shows written, tape way in advance? I mean they have to do post production stuff before it can be shipped to studios etc. And for this example, the food drop, we just started talking about that just over a week ago, no way they could get that put in that quickly, right :confused:
Oh, I don't think they're reading the boards and adding things after the fact...

But, they're probably smart enough to anticipate many of the questions that will arise, that they don't plan on addressing until more is revealed, so adding this like:

* Locke saying "I'm going to have to watch that again" after viewing the training film.
* Sawyer joking about keeping secrets/not telling anyone about major findings
* Other recent references to secrecy, inner-circles, etc.

I think the writers knew full well many of us would be obsessing over such things, and are dropping little remarks in there now and then to play with us. I think they were written in all along...

Or as Butthead says, "just because one thing is cool, doesn't mean another thing doesn't suck."
:p :D :p :D

All I know is when they read the message on the dollar and it said, "I owe you a beer" I crapped my pants. :eek:

Yes, I did notice her facial expression changed. I would describe it more of a disgusted look then evil, but I did see it.
Wife noticed that as well. I thought she should have a happy look on her face, but then again, the script had her kissing Hurley. :eek: (No wonder Cynthia Watros got a DUI, she was drinking Hurley out of her mouth.)

As to the money, it probably would have been a big story around the sanitarium if a former patient had won the lottery. So it is very possible she knew. She was able to get well and when she recognizes Hurley, she figures he is a meal ticket if they ever get off the island.

So it is very possible she knew. She was able to get well and when she recognizes Hurley, she figures he is a meal ticket if they ever get off the island.
Hurley...meal ticket...funny. ;)

He wasn't a millionaire while in the looney bin though.

Did you guys notice her face change as they walked away from the cliff? She got a very evil and/or disgusted look on her face after she said that she believed that he could change. Then it cut back to that last flashback. The wife noticed it too when she watched in on Tivo.

Wife and I each noticed this as well. Rewound it actually, had to do a double take. She definitely had something else on the mind after telling Hurley she thought he could change.

My friend just posed an idea that I've never seen suggested and that makes perfect sense: think Leonard was originally a button pusher on the island and went nuts from hitting the buttons one too many times? It seems pretty conclusive that the institute Hurley was in is tied to the island with the supposed island picture hanging in the doctors office and now two characters having obvious ties to the place.

No, Leonard and another fellow were in the navy and heard the numbers over and over again on their radio. The other fellow was who Hurley went looking for in Australia, who had already died. Hurley talked to the other fellow's wife and she linked the numbers to his death.

My friend just posed an idea that I've never seen suggested and that makes perfect sense: think Leonard was originally a button pusher on the island and went nuts from hitting the buttons one too many times? It seems pretty conclusive that the institute Hurley was in is tied to the island with the supposed island picture hanging in the doctors office and now two characters having obvious ties to the place.
Possibly. Although Leonard says he found the numbers from some guy who was monitoring radio transmissions and picked up the broadcast of the numbers (which the French chick replaced) from the island. I think Leonard used the numbers like Hurley and the radio guy and went crazy.

All i know for certain, is that each episode brings more and more new questions while answering very little of the old questions, so much in fact you almost start to forget what your original questions were, and we continue to be starved for answers.

I guess thats what keeps us interested, but when this season is over and like i said , we have even more questions than what we had at least seasons end, you cant help but feel contempt for leaving us hanging like that.

I get the feeling that in the end, all that "Lost" is going to be, is one of these central characters waking up out of a Comatose state, and that will be all the answers in a nut shell. All the rest are made up "Hurlyesque" Sort of like that movie "Identity"

:p :D :p :D

All I know is when they read the message on the dollar and it said, "I owe you a beer" I crapped my pants. :eek:

Oh, totally!! I cheered, "THAT'S the spirit!"

All i know for certain, is that each episode brings more and more new questions while answering very little of the old questions, so much in fact you almost start to forget what your original questions were, and we continue to be starved for answers.

I guess thats what keeps us interested, but when this season is over and like i said , we have even more questions than what we had at least seasons end, you cant help but feel contempt for leaving us hanging like that.

I get the feeling that in the end, all that "Lost" is going to be, is one of these central characters waking up out of a Comatose state, and that will be all the answers in a nut shell. All the rest are made up "Hurlyesque" Sort of like that movie "Identity"
The producers and writers have promised that it won't be someone's dream and that each thing has a logical answer with no resorting to any outlandish scifi stuff.

How does this track with her being in the institution with him, though? Was she watching him that far back? That would suggest that Dharma was responsible for everything that followed -- Hurley winning the lottery with the numbers, all the bad things that happened, his quest to find out what the numbers mean that leads to Australia... everything that leads up to him being on flight 815.

It would also suggest that if that's true, Dharma is responsible for *everything* that led up to all the survivors' being on that flight... which, once you start thinking about them, seems to be too far-fetched even for this show. (Dharma responsible for Shannon choosing a jerk for a boyfriend? For Christian's alcoholism? etc.)

And therein lies the mystery and appeal of the show.

Six degress of separation aside (OK, I do think there is merit in it, though it is a little creepy: the leader of our band, Ozzie Mechoso is a cousin to Julio Oscar Mechoso who, amazingly has a rather extensive filmography according to IMDB) there are just TOO many conincidences and crossed paths with the characters in the show, UNLESS there is some manipulation behind the scenes.

The producers continue to insist that there is a non-supernatural, not strictly science fiction reason for everything on the show. They claim everything can be explained without resorting to some deus ex machina.

Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I believe them. At the same time, the more times we see a backstory where other characters are referenced or somehow intersect, the more the credibility gets strained (for me).

However, I am enjoying the ride.

Maybe Hanso's out of money and needs Hurly's lotto cash to keep the project going..... ;)

Possibly, with Hurley's wad of cash they could keep it going for another 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 or even 42 years.

It was great to see Hurley open a can of whoop ass on Saywer. With Jin laughing in the backround and Hurley saying all the names Saywer had called him ...classic!

It seems that next week we may get to clue as to what happened to Walt and his dad, there has been no mention of them for a long time.

!tlaW !tlaW !yob ym koot yehT

Oh, I don't think they're reading the boards and adding things after the fact...

But, they're probably smart enough to anticipate many of the questions that will arise, that they don't plan on addressing until more is revealed, so adding this like:

* Locke saying "I'm going to have to watch that again" after viewing the training film.
* Sawyer joking about keeping secrets/not telling anyone about major findings
* Other recent references to secrecy, inner-circles, etc.

I think the writers knew full well many of us would be obsessing over such things, and are dropping little remarks in there now and then to play with us. I think they were written in all along...They don't need to add things after the fact. People have been complaining about the Losties "not talking to each other" since practically the very beginning. Last season people were rewinding and rewatching Dead Ethan over and over to see if he was breathing or not and numerous other things like that which resulted in the "watching the training tape again" comment. I think they pick up on stuff people complain about, or just comment on a lot and eventually add stuff to address it, or make fun of it. Even if they wanted to stick something in at a fairly late moment, I don't think it would be much of a problem to do a quick take scene to edit in at the last moment either really. An example of that I think would be the Kate comment, "who would carry one of these on a plane" about the EPT test kit.

How does this track with her being in the institution with him, though? Was she watching him that far back? That would suggest that Dharma was responsible for everything that followed -- Hurley winning the lottery with the numbers, all the bad things that happened, his quest to find out what the numbers mean that leads to Australia... everything that leads up to him being on flight 815.

It would also suggest that if that's true, Dharma is responsible for *everything* that led up to all the survivors' being on that flight... which, once you start thinking about them, seems to be too far-fetched even for this show. (Dharma responsible for Shannon choosing a jerk for a boyfriend? For Christian's alcoholism? etc.)I'm with you on this. So far I haven't subscribed to the Giant-Dharma-all-over-the-globe-spread-over-years conspiracy theory either. Just too much in the way of logistical issues to really seem probable to me. The Libby thing opens up some additional thinking along those lines, but I think we'll ultimately end up finding there's something else going on with her that explains it though. I do reserve the right to change my mind at any time though ;)


ron

Many people have posted that perhaps the writers are reading these threads and writing things into the script to "answer" or address what's said here - I find that hard to beleive, although at times it does seem that way. Aren't these shows written, tape way in advance? I mean they have to do post production stuff before it can be shipped to studios etc. And for this example, the food drop, we just started talking about that just over a week ago, no way they could get that put in that quickly, right :confused:

coincidental...like, take for instance, they are just finishing up the season finale right now and are about to shoot (according to the pod-cast)...its not so far back that they could change something, but its not recent enough to read all the boards and make last minute changes...I think someone said it right, they can anticpate some of the complaints and play jokes on the audience

I totally think Sawyer's comment about not telling anyone about the plane was a joke on the audience's complaint about the islanders not talking to eachother...

Also, I won't lie, I laughed at his racist joke about Sayid...I guess he really does just want to be hated

glad to see the board back in one piece ;)

All i know for certain, is that each episode brings more and more new questions while answering very little of the old questions, so much in fact you almost start to forget what your original questions were, and we continue to be starved for answers.

I guess thats what keeps us interested, but when this season is over and like i said , we have even more questions than what we had at least seasons end, you cant help but feel contempt for leaving us hanging like that.

I get the feeling that in the end, all that "Lost" is going to be, is one of these central characters waking up out of a Comatose state, and that will be all the answers in a nut shell. All the rest are made up "Hurlyesque" Sort of like that movie "Identity"
Think back to everything you knew at the end of last season.

Now think about how much more you now know...

Sure, we don't have *all* the answers, but if we did the show would be over.

We've learned PLENTY throughout the season...

I do think however, if they try to push Lost out more than 5 seasons...it will be ridiculous...I think they need to do some future planning...if this goes on for more than 5 seasons, I'll be incredibly surprised...I don't think they can keep up the quality...i.e.: Alias Season 3, 24 Season 3, (HOPEFULLY NOT BSG Season 3 :))

I mean, can anyone honestly see this show going for 10 years? Its not an X-Files...it doesn't restart...not that there is much left, but the believability of the show will drop dramatically if they push it more than 4-5 years...

500 pages of posts!

We are maybe confusing cause and effect a bit. If a show comes out with some idea discussed here it may be because the writers have cut a deal with the Others to insinuate such comments here at appropriate times. Meanwhile this is probably all just viral marketing for the latest best mega-virtual-HD-reality game. The Losties are stuck in a beta version of that computer world, advertised first as an Australian walkabout adventure.

We will have to pay to join, but may enter discount code 4,8,15, ... ;)

- Tom

Great point. Do we know the order of events for the lottery and being institutionalized? Which happened first?Hurley got the numbers from the guy in the institution, which later matched those of the Powerball drawing when he played it. He could have gone back in again, but the staff (as someone mentioned) or patient(s) should've recognized him and called him out. Or is it Libbys' little secret?

I mean, can anyone honestly see this show going for 10 years?
I couldn't see this show ever getting on network television, much less being a hit.

Any signs that the Santa Rosa mental institution is being run by the Dharma organization? Seems like a great way to study previous victims (Leonard) and pick future victims (Hurley and Libby) for their experiments. Of course that poster of an island in the rec room was just a coinky-dink. ;)

Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I believe them. At the same time, the more times we see a backstory where other characters are referenced or somehow intersect, the more the credibility gets strained (for me).
I think the intersecting characters is the producer's way of keeping the show interesting.....no way these people could all interconnect and wind up in the same marooned location. Maybe if they were blood-kin....or it's happening in someone's head.

BTW, I'm still giving this & BSG one more season apiece....too nerve wrackin. Especially Lost.

How does this track with her being in the institution with him, though? Was she watching him that far back? That would suggest that Dharma was responsible for everything that followed -- Hurley winning the lottery with the numbers, all the bad things that happened, his quest to find out what the numbers mean that leads to Australia... everything that leads up to him being on flight 815.


My thought originally is that she wasn't there for Hurley, she was there keeping tabs on the number-reciter to keep the "secret" from getting out. By crossing paths with the number-reciter, and certainly by using the numbers, Hurley made himself a Dharma subject. Maybe the numbers have some mystical power and Dharma didn't rig the lottery, but the use of the numbers caused Hurley to win and be a subsequent focus of a numerical vortex of bad karma (or would it be kharma?).

The crossing of paths of the characters allows for a Dharma observer/follower of one character to be introduced to the people the observed crosses paths with and possibly become another subject.

I agree that guiding the people to all be on the same plane is a leap, but there's a lot of strange stuff going on that has to be explained somehow. Maybe they were never on an Oceanic plane but were abducted and programmed to think they had that common experience so they wouldn't question how they got on this weird island. Who knows.

Possibly, with Hurley's wad of cash they could keep it going for another 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 or even 42 years.
Speaking of Hurley and the numbers, is anyone curious about why only 2 people died on a deck made for 8 that collapsed with 23?

Shouldn't 4 people have died?

Every sub plot doesn't have to tie in to Dharma. I agree with the person who said that Libby recognized Hurley from the mental hospital when she saw him on TV after winning the Lottery. She saw the golddigger opportunity and probably started following him around so that she could "accidently" meet him. She followed him to Australia and then got caught up in the crash on the return flight. She's just continuing the plan so that when they are rescued, she's Hurley's new wife. But judging by the odd expression after kissing him, I'll bet it's a short marriage. :eek:

was originally a button pusher on the island and went nuts from hitting the buttons one too many times?
Sorry I can't remember, what ever happened to Desmond's partner? Is it possible that he was/is Henry?

Sorry I can't remember, what ever happened to Desmond's partner? Is it possible that he was/is Henry?

Kelvin. Desmond claimed he got sick and died.

Any signs that the Santa Rosa mental institution is being run by the Dharma organization?
I don't know, I'll drive by there tomorrow and ask. :D

Speaking of Hurley and the numbers, is anyone curious about why only 2 people died on a deck made for 8 that collapsed with 23?

Shouldn't 4 people have died?

the deck probably only had 4 support posts and that was the construction error

I don't know, I'll drive by there tomorrow and ask. :DI wouldn't stop ;) .

500 pages of posts!

A . . . I thnk it depends how many posts per page you're displaying. Mine is 250 pages.

I don't know, I'll drive by there tomorrow and ask. :D

Let's meet for coffee, unless it's in the afternoon, then let's make it a beer.. :)

You know I've posted so many other ideas that didn't pan out, why not one more...

"Henry" and Leonard... the same guy??

Leonard:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1323/leonard3zo.jpg

Henry:
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6906/henry8vw.jpg

It sure didn't seem like any more of the island's mysteries were touched on in this episode. I didn't see any hints from what "Henry" said other than I now suspect that he's the leader of the Others or at least a faction of them.

I'm still waiting for some backstories about some of the events on the island the map alludes to. And let's get another look at a Cerberus Vent in action.

Let's meet for coffee, unless it's in the afternoon, then let's make it a beer.. :)
and play some checkers... :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/cp-connect4.jpg

and play some checkers... :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/cp-connect4.jpg

Pret-ty snea-ky sis...

You know I've posted so many other ideas that didn't pan out, why not one more...

"Henry" and Leonard... the same guy??

Leonard:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1323/leonard3zo.jpg

Henry:
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6906/henry8vw.jpg
They look pretty similar in those photos, but after watching that scene again, I'm pretty sure they definitely aren't the same person. And besides, Leonard is the man with the numbers. You have to think he holds a deeper role in the story then just some lackey who got captured and tortured.

They look pretty similar in those photos, but after watching that scene again, I'm pretty sure they definitely aren't the same person. And besides, Leonard is the man with the numbers. You have to think he holds a deeper role in the story then just some lackey who got captured and tortured.

Henry Gale:
http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0256237/

Leonard Sims:
http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1714720/

my damn 8300hd cut off the last three minutes of Lost (just a red bar for the last 3). I cut off when Hurley and Libby were kissing on the cliff.

From reading here, it appears I missed her pulling Hurley away from the cliff, and the two walking away holding hands, but Libby having an evil smirk, with a lead into a shot from the mental ward of Libby. Did I miss anything else ?

what did the coming attractions for next week actually show ?

As for Dharma running the mental institution, I don't see that far off. Seems like the the Dharma initiative consisted of Scientists and Doctors, so they could have been in charge of that place.

No one mentioned anything about when Locke said something to Jack about Desmond couldn't have gotten away, when Jack was checking out Locke's leg.

I don't remember hearing any electromagnetic noise after the numbers reset while the door was on Locke's leg, so I think that Faux-Henry either punched in the #'s or a secret code to reset everything, but you never know.

No one mentioned anything about when Locke said something to Jack about Desmond couldn't have gotten away, when Jack was checking out Locke's leg.


I thought he said Henry could have gotten away, but he came back to help him. Jack said "He thought his story would check out, that's why he came back"

Here is a thought...maybe the Doctor at the mental hospital is the "Leader" of "The Others"...?

Just a thought.

Here is a thought...maybe the Doctor at the mental hospital is the "Leader" of "The Others"...?

Just a thought.

Whoever he turns out to be, I think we'll be seeing more of him in the future.

my damn 8300hd cut off the last three minutes of Lost (just a red bar for the last 3). I cut off when Hurley and Libby were kissing on the cliff.

From reading here, it appears I missed her pulling Hurley away from the cliff, and the two walking away holding hands, but Libby having an evil smirk, with a lead into a shot from the mental ward of Libby. Did I miss anything else ?

She goes from smiling at him, saying "Ya, I do think you can change":
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/capek/LibbySmile.jpg

To a less then congenial facial expression as they walk away together:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/capek/LibbyFrown.jpg

On another note, did anyone else notice the picture hanging on the wall in Hurry's shrinks office? Another little bit of synchronicity, or maybe just foreshadowing:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/capek/PictureInSrinksOffice.jpg

Daniel Dae Kim on 'Regis' right now.

Holy cow- 15,000 posts!
Let's think about the outside influences that could have played a hand in getting certain Losties on that specific flight-

Claire's psychic
Sun's female confidant
Jack's dad (perhaps his "death" isn't coincidental)
Walt's stepdad (that gets both Walt and Michael in Australia at the point of the flight)
Sawyer's arresting police officer puts him on the plane back to the U.S.

Holy cow- 15,000 posts!
Let's think about the outside influences that could have played a hand in getting certain Losties on that specific flight-

Claire's psychic
Sun's female confidant
Jack's dad (perhaps his "death" isn't coincidental)
Walt's stepdad (that gets both Walt and Michael in Australia at the point of the flight)
Sawyer's arresting police officer puts him on the plane back to the U.S.
Kate getting arrested.
Locke getting rejected from going on the walkabout.
Hurley was on his way back from finding out about the numbers.
Although they're gone, Boone was there to get Shannon back.
Charlie visiting his brother and leaving.
Sayid was tracking down Nadia i think.
Eko - don't know.
Ana-Lucia - don't know.
Libby - don't know.