and play some checkers... :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/cp-connect4.jpg


Wait just a minute!

The game is Connect Four which has 42 slots!

Kelvin. Desmond claimed he got sick and died.

That would explain why he didn't want to give his name - fear someone might recogonize it. hmmm....

Henry Gale:
http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0256237/

Now I remember where I saw that actor before. He was that crazy serial killer (William Hinks) on "The Practice" back in 2001.

I thought he looked familiar. No wonder he was cast for this part in Lost. It suits him well. He messed with everyone's mind back then too.

CPanther -- you're the one with editing rights here? Huh! With great power comes great responsibility. I bow to you.

If memory serves, we had many reported posts (complaining as spoilers) when future episode titles, summaries, or even notice of whether it was Kate-centric, Saywer-centric, etc. were posted to the thread. If I'm wrong let me know, but my default is to play it safe just in case.

Wait just a minute!

The game is Connect Four which has 42 slots!

I think you meant this as a funny, but that's actually a pretty good observation. I'm sure that was very intentional by the storywriters too.

Not to mention the "connection" part of that game compared to how all the lostaways seem to be connected together.

Maybe she felt compelled to become a clinical psychologist after being helped by the doctors in the hospital.My sister majored in psychology. She said the first day, they went around the class telling people why they chose psychology. My sister said how she thought it would be neat and so on, but she told me "Oh my gosh, Jason! Like everyone in there was saying stuff like, 'I got into psychology because my dad raped me as a child,' or 'I chose psychology because I saw my parents murdered,' etc.." Basically they were all in the major because a psychologist helped them out earlier in their lives.

Kate getting arrested.
Locke getting rejected from going on the walkabout.
Hurley was on his way back from finding out about the numbers.
Although they're gone, Boone was there to get Shannon back.
Charlie visiting his brother and leaving.
Sayid was tracking down Nadia i think.
Eko - don't know.
Ana-Lucia - don't know.
Libby - don't know.


But I think it was Sayid's personal decision to wait a day top bury his friend, which put him on flight 815. My point is who was directly influenced by someone to board flight 815? You could stretch to say that Shannon's ex-boyfriend somehow manipulated her and Boone's departure time from Australia. Charlie's last contact was with a hooker. Hurley seems to have boarded on his own accord.

Now I remember where I saw that actor before. He was that crazy serial killer (William Hinks) on "The Practice" back in 2001.

I thought he looked familiar. No wonder he was cast for this part in Lost. It suits him well. He messed with everyone's mind back then too.

Has anyone noticed (from IMBD) that Michael Emerson, i.e., the actory playing [fake]Henry Gale, also played "HENREY GALE" [sic] in a short called "The Lost Season" from 2004?

If memory serves, we had many reported posts (complaining as spoilers) when future episode titles, summaries, or even notice of whether it was Kate-centric, Saywer-centric, etc. were posted to the thread. If I'm wrong let me know, but my default is to play it safe just in case.

IMO, calling the title of a future episode (which is published, public information by ABC), or who the primary backstory will be about in a given week, a spoiler is going too far, although "spoiled" is probably the right term for someone who would complain about something like that. They can read about that sort of thing in the TV listings, fercryinoutloud. Sheesh. :rolleyes:

LOST Producers Sign 7-figure deals:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/eo/20060407/en_tv_eo/18746

"We feel that this batch of currently running episodes, through 19, is kind of the calm before the storm," Lindelof told E! Online TV columnist Kristin Veitch. "And then episodes 20 through 24, those final five hours of the show, we're all overwhelmingly excited about because there is a lot of incident and action and mystery revelation coming down the pike. We're really, really jazzed about that final pot of episodes."

LOST Producers Sign 7-figure deals:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/eo/20060407/en_tv_eo/18746

This may sound like the direct opposite of everyone's wishes thus far, but I hope they still save some for later! There is also a comment in there about a certain upcoming episode that confirmed a "spoiler" thought I posted earlier (was deleted), leaving me pretty excited.

I am ambivalent about the whole spoiler issue, by the way CPanther. I want the best chance of understanding what I see in the show, but I want a full experience also. I knew a couple of the "wow!" moments from this week's show ahead of time after having looked at some promo stills, and I must admit I felt flat when I saw them in-show.

One small thing bothers me. The scenes in the sanitarium did not jive with my experiences back in the early 70s as a counselor in a state mental hospital. Even on the locked wards, the patients were dressed in regular clothes. I don't recall any patients running around in bathrobes and PJs, although there may have been a one or two, once in a while. In fact, I don't even think they were allowed to spend time in their rooms during the day.

YMMV

I am ambivalent about the whole spoiler issue, by the way CPanther. I want the best chance of understanding what I see in the show, but I want a full experience also. I knew a couple of the "wow!" moments from this week's show ahead of time after having looked at some promo stills, and I must admit I felt flat when I saw them in-show.

I'd hate having a "sixth sense" type of moment ruined because of reading a spoiler ahead of time. However, I also read the "LOST - Spoiler thread", so go figure.

Sometimes the producers are the worst offenders. The previews prior to Shannon getting shot promising that someone was going to die didn't make much sense. Ratings are phenomenal, so the sensational previews might have squeezed in a few more viewers, but I would think that they would be more than offset by the buzz created by catching the massive viewer base off-guard with the killing of a major character.

Imagine how neutered the final show of 24 (season 1) would have been if we were told ahead of time that a "good guy" was going to bite the dust.

Imagine how neutered the final show of 24 (season 1) would have been if we were told ahead of time that a "good guy" was going to bite the dust.

Note to wife, send email stating:

"Hon, I guess we can go out tonight after all. Some guy online ruined the last episode of 24 we have to watch on our boxed set from Christmas."

;)

Same thing happened in season 2, just sooner. I think killing off main characters gives a show "edge". You stop believing everyone will make it. Now if they'd just kill off Harry Potter and be done with it...

We didn't know for sure it was Shannon, but we spent the whole episode waiting for someone to get killed. As soon as she ran off into the woods, you knew she was going to be the one. That is much less jarring than having the gunshot be the point at which you realize that she just got shot.

Hurley seems to have boarded on his own accord.
And he worked really friggin' hard to do it, to. It seems if Dharma really wanted him on the flight, they wouldn't have allowed so many obstacles to potentially keep him from making it there on time.

Come to think of it, if they wanted Jack, they would have been wise to grease some palms to smooth out getting his father's body on the plane, too.

Sayid had a hiccup (caused by Shannon) that caused him to potentially be detained instead of making the flight.

In fact, so far, the only potential "intervention" I've seen so far is the stewart suggesting carrying Locke on the plane when a wheelchair wasn't available to get him on. If it weren't for that, he would have had to wait for another flight.

Of course, Kayt was in custody. However, she wouldn't have been if she had run instead of showing compassion following the wreck for the guy who turned her in. Actually, her surviving the crash was due, in part, to her managing to get ahold of the oxygen mask despite being restrained.

I heard next season's backstories will focus on those that perished in the crash. :)

Did you guys notice her face change as they walked away from the cliff? She got a very evil and/or disgusted look on her face after she said that she believed that he could change. Then it cut back to that last flashback. The wife noticed it too when she watched in on Tivo.

I think Libby was disgusted with herself for lying to Hurley about never having met before.

I heard next season's backstories will focus on those that perished in the crash. :)

The one for the guy who got sucked into the jet engine should be a good one.... :D

Spoilers thread for LOST is at:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=517981&highlight=lost

I'm not interested in spoilers. I don't even like previews of upcoming episodes. The TV shows, and movies for that matter, that I have found to be most enjoyable, were ones that I didn't know much, if anything, about before sitting down to watch.

I'm not interested in spoilers. I don't even like previews of upcoming episodes. The TV shows, and movies for that matter, that I have found to be most enjoyable, were ones that I didn't know much, if anything, about before sitting down to watch.

You're not the one I posted it for.

One small thing bothers me. The scenes in the sanitarium did not jive with my experiences back in the early 70s as a counselor in a state mental hospital. Even on the locked wards, the patients were dressed in regular clothes. I don't recall any patients running around in bathrobes and PJs, although there may have been a one or two, once in a while. In fact, I don't even think they were allowed to spend time in their rooms during the day.

YMMV

I thought the continued show of patients in robes was odd, too. Especially during the basketball sequence, which, by the way, should have been the giveaway scene that Dave was imaginary. He kept calling out to the "players" and they were ignoring him. Even when the ball came Hurley's way it went right over or through Dave.

I wonder how many years passes from the scene showing Libby at Santa Rosa and when she emerges as a clinical psychologist, or so she said on the Island? She didn't look to be in such good shape to be released as cured anytime soon to begin her educational pursuit of psychology. Makes me wonder if Libby is what she claims to be or just an opportunist trying for Hurley's $, as has been theorized. The part about that that makes me doubt it is you would think after 40+ days and Others about, her chances of scoring his $ are dwindling, yet she is making the play ever more vigorously.

I thought the continued show of patients in robes was odd, too. Especially during the basketball sequence, which, by the way, should have been the giveaway scene that Dave was imaginary. He kept calling out to the "players" and they were ignoring him. Even when the ball came Hurley's way it went right over or through Dave.

If "Dave's" attitude and personality is a projection of Hurley's alter ego he (Hurley) has some real issues, doesn't he?

If "Dave's" attitude and personality is a projection of Hurley's alter ego he (Hurley) has some real issues, doesn't he?

Yes, but only to the extent that he likes to eat, a lot, and doesn't like anyone telling him to slow it down. He clearly has an eating disorder that's so severe he creates an imaginary friend to help him deal with it, but it's not clear that he has any other issues apart from food.

LOST Producers Sign 7-figure deals:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/eo/20060407/en_tv_eo/18746

damn, I had to go and read that article. Now I thought that the survivors were going to finally build a raft and get back to civilization in the last episode this season. But nope, yahoo had to spoil it that there will be a 3rd season :mad:

You know I've posted so many other ideas that didn't pan out, why not one more...

"Henry" and Leonard... the same guy??

Leonard:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1323/leonard3zo.jpg

Henry:
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6906/henry8vw.jpg


anyone know how to figure out the actors in imdb?

Henry Gale:
http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0256237/

Leonard Sims:
http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1714720/

looks like someone does!

LOL

My sister majored in psychology. She said the first day, they went around the class telling people why they chose psychology. My sister said how she thought it would be neat and so on, but she told me "Oh my gosh, Jason! Like everyone in there was saying stuff like, 'I got into psychology because my dad raped me as a child,' or 'I chose psychology because I saw my parents murdered,' etc.." Basically they were all in the major because a psychologist helped them out earlier in their lives.


i thought people were psychology majors becasue they couldn't think of any other box to check on the registration form? :p

(ducks and runs)

PS- my dad's a shrink- I'll have to ask him...

If "Dave's" attitude and personality is a projection of Hurley's alter ego he (Hurley) has some real issues, doesn't he?

I think "dave" tried to beat the piss out of sawyer....

I heard next season's backstories will focus on those that perished in the crash. :)Oh, yeah, that'll be real fun. :rolleyes:

What I'd like to see are backstories of the island or people who have been on the island longer than the Losties. Even backstories of Danielle would be much more interesting than some of the ones we've seen.

Even backstories of Danielle would be much more interesting than some of the ones we've seen.

That's the one I'd like to see.

Whoever he turns out to be, I think we'll be seeing more of him in the future.

He's the mutant-hating Senator Kelly. Duh!

:)

There has been speculation about Libby being a spy at the Santa Rosa clinic. It looked to me that she might be taking the same medicine that Hurley was. They focused in on the pills in the cup when Hurley faked taking them. Then at the end, I thought Libby took what looked like the same kind of pills. She might have been faking so that no one would suspect her, but I got the feeling that she had real problems.

I didn't notice a look of disgust during the ep....and I don't really see it in the pix, either....
...To a less then congenial facial expression as they walk away together:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/capek/LibbyFrown.jpg


"I think we need to watch that again".

OK try this theory out for a while.

Dave is part of Hurleys alter- ego, the part that doesn't want Hurley to change. He is also Huley's masculine more agressive side. What if Libby too is part of Hurley's alter-ego, the part that does want to change, also his feminine more gentle side? :eek:

Apart from her interacting with others on the island, which I will now have to go back and look at to see if the losties actually talk to her, it fits for me. I seem to recall in the treck from the other side of the island, she is talked to, but I also remember she was there and then not there as they made the climb before Shannon was shot.

Has anyone noticed (from IMBD) that Michael Emerson, i.e., the actory playing [fake]Henry Gale, also played "HENREY GALE" [sic] in a short called "The Lost Season" from 2004?

Yes! :eek:

Wait just a minute!

The game is Connect Four which has 42 slots!
I had to count the holes 15 or 16 times to make sure you were right!

~Dan

My sister majored in psychology. She said the first day, they went around the class telling people why they chose psychology. My sister said how she thought it would be neat and so on, but she told me "Oh my gosh, Jason! Like everyone in there was saying stuff like, 'I got into psychology because my dad raped me as a child,' or 'I chose psychology because I saw my parents murdered,' etc.." Basically they were all in the major because a psychologist helped them out earlier in their lives.
Well, I went into Civil and Structural Engineering, after I got out of the Navy, because my division officer was a Civil Engineer.

I suspect many people follow in the footsteps of those who mentored them. Kind of a chance to repay the help and guidance received...

It wouldn't surprise me if Libby got better and became a psychologist—It also wouldn't surprise me if she turns out to be a psycho stalker!

~Dan

I had to count the holes 15 or 16 times to make sure you were right!

~DanOh, yes...and of course you have to get 4 in a row, and if you double that you get 8, and then when you add that to the actual number of holes across you get 15, and if you square the 4 in a row you get 16, and then you add the number of holes across to get 23, and finally of course you have the total number of holes which is 42. That's really spooky! :eek: :p

But I think it was Sayid's personal decision to wait a day top bury his friend, which put him on flight 815. My point is who was directly influenced by someone to board flight 815?
Don't mistake Coincidence for Fate... ;)

(Probably should be: "Don't mistake as Coincidence what is Fate," but then again, Eko also walked "through the Shadow of the Valley of Death"...)

~Dan

I had to count the holes 15 or 16 times to make sure you were right!

~Dan

Multiplication is your friend. ;)

I heard next season's backstories will focus on those that perished in the crash.
Oh, yeah, that'll be real fun. :rolleyes:

What I'd like to see are backstories of the island...
Talk about fun!

Here's the voiceover: "FOUR BILLION YEARS AGO, A VOLCANIC ISLAND ROSE FROM THE SEA-DEPTHS. PLANTS GREW FROM SEEDS CARRIED ON THE WINDS (AND IN BIRD DOO-DOO). FROGS DROPPED FROM THE SKY, AND OVER COUNTLESS YEARS, DEVELOPED INTO ALL MANNER OF LAND MAMMALS. FOR EONS THE ISLAND SAT ALONE. THEN, ONE DAY, MAN INVENTED THE COMPASS AND THE ISLAND WAS FINALLY ABLE TO USE IT'S STRANGE, MAGNETIC PERSONALITY TO LURE A WOODEN SAILING SHIP, FOLLOWED LATER BY SOME POST-GRADUATE STUDENTS, A FRENCH EXPEDITION AND, TWO MONTHS AGO, AN OCEANIC AIRLINES FLIGHT."

Personally, I'm looking forward to the frogs dropping out of the sky!

~Dan

I am ambivalent about the whole spoiler issue, by the way CPanther. I want the best chance of understanding what I see in the show, but I want a full experience also. I knew a couple of the "wow!" moments from this week's show ahead of time after having looked at some promo stills, and I must admit I felt flat when I saw them in-show.

If you felt flat, how can you say you're ambivalent to the spoiler issue? Unless you enjoy feeling flat...

~Dan

Yeah, Dave had a bizarre way about him, but nearly every line he spoke was an encouragement to Hurley to eat. There is absolutely nothing more to him. While it added dimension to Hurley -- he punishes himself by eating -- it advanced the island story not at all. Even with Sun's pregnancy, we start thinking whether The Others will want her baby too. The only relevant reveal from this Hurley's part in this past episode was Libby sitting in the room with him. With all the other crossed paths in previous episodes, I felt no relevance, they were just "Oh cool! Look!" But with Libby, and the way they focused directly on her, with the music and end-of-show fade, it felt important, like it will lead somewhere. Dave was just a side show though, in my opinion.

Oh, yes...and of course you have to get 4 in a row, and if you double that you get 8, and then when you add that to the actual number of holes across you get 15, and if you square the 4 in a row you get 16, and then you add the number of holes across to get 23, and finally of course you have the total number of holes which is 42. That's really spooky! :eek: :p
Indeed. ;)

I had to count the holes 15 or 16 times to make sure you were right!
Multiplication is your friend. ;)
Yeah, but there's nothing magical about 6 and 7, so it would have been hard to make a funny... ;)

~Dan

If you felt flat, how can you say you're ambivalent to the spoiler issue? Unless you enjoy feeling flat...

~Dan

"Spoiler" on this list means a great deal more than what I think a spoiler is. Spoilers to me are "Luke, I'm your father", and "Kayser Soze is really Verbal Kent". These are facts that, if read in a movie review, would spoil the show. Knowing the name of an upcoming episode is mild. I have browsed other Lost forums with spoilers, and it is unbelievable what posters will float as a spoiler -- typically things like "I can't reveal my source, but Sawyer attended Woodstock '94 and ran a three card monte there." I have seen promo stills that show Jack in a rainy jungle, or Locke standing next to his truck in the Flightline parking lot. These don't really spoil anything. However, I also saw a still of the doc photographing Hugo w/o Dave being there, and Libby sitting at the table. My ambivalence comes from knowing some matter, some don't. If spoiler sites offered actual plot lines and shots of dramatic moments like the map reveal, and only that, I'd be more apprehensive. One site had video of next week's episode. How the hell does that get leaked? I felt flat, yes, but it didn't hurt much.

Yeah, but there's nothing magical about 6 and 7, so it would have been hard to make a funny... ;)

~Dan

Wow! That was a timebomb of a joke! Either that or I'm impossibly slow today. I was thinking along with CPanther, "sheesh, you mean this guy counted by ones?" I'm usually very quick on the uptake. Congrats and a good joke. Now excuse me, I have to get back to combing the list for other posters' spelling errors..

Personally, I'm looking forward to the frogs dropping out of the sky!

Already been done!

...Now excuse me, I have to get back to combing the list for other posters' spelling errors..

You missed NetworkTV's post 15020 where he used 'to' instead of 'too'.

;)

Ana Lucia wearing a pair of "low-cut" jeans with her hand on a gun... it just doesn't get any better than that! :D

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/anna_lucia.JPG

http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x18-dave/5/dave-caps424.jpg

Can anyone make out what's on the diplomas on the wall?

http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x18-dave/5/dave-caps424.jpg

Can anyone make out what's on the diplomas on the wall?


No.

Yeah, Dave had a bizarre way about him, but nearly every line he spoke was an encouragement to Hurley to eat. There is absolutely nothing more to him. While it added dimension to Hurley -- he punishes himself by eating -- it advanced the island story not at all. Even with Sun's pregnancy, we start thinking whether The Others will want her baby too. The only relevant reveal from this Hurley's part in this past episode was Libby sitting in the room with him. With all the other crossed paths in previous episodes, I felt no relevance, they were just "Oh cool! Look!" But with Libby, and the way they focused directly on her, with the music and end-of-show fade, it felt important, like it will lead somewhere. Dave was just a side show though, in my opinion.

I think it's a real credit to Jorge Garcia to permit/allow the producers and writers to play on his physical prowess for the storyline. As someone pointed out earlier, his character was not intended to be long-lived in the original scheme. But viewer sentiment adopted Hurley as a favorite and this is how that is rewarded - Hurley as a pitiable, halucinating binge eater; albeit Libby-kisser. Go Jorge!!!

I wonder how many years passes from the scene showing Libby at Santa Rosa and when she emerges as a clinical psychologist, or so she said on the Island? She didn't look to be in such good shape to be released as cured anytime soon to begin her educational pursuit of psychology.

Why do you presume that Libby's education came after her stay in Santa Rosa. Mental health workers can have break downs too. Don't Psychiatrists have a very high rate of suicide?

Like many professions you would think that therapy attracts people that believe in the value of therapy. So we shouldn't be surprised to see therapists having therapists.

- Tom

Like many professions you would think that therapy attracts people that believe in the value of therapy. So we shouldn't be surprised to see therapists having therapists.OK, but did you see how whacked out she looked in that "hospital" scene?

And she's not just a therapist, she said she was a clinical psychologist, which I think implies dealing with more severe mental illnesses.

My guess is that she used to be a clinical psychologist, before the time of the Hurley flashback, and experienced some sort of calamitous event that made her mentally unstable and landed her in that looney bin. She may have even been still nutso when she boarded flight 815 and experienced a miracle cure, like Locke did.

She may have even been still nutso when she boarded flight 815 and experienced a miracle cure, like Locke did.

OK. I can go with that. But I don't hold out hope for her flashback when we've never been treated to seeing how Locke lost use of his legs.

OK. I can go with that. But I don't hold out hope for her flashback when we've never been treated to seeing how Locke lost use of his legs.

..... yet.

We've had both pre and post paralysis backstories for Locke, so it should only be a matter of time.

In thinking of Locke, I'm compelled to believe his is the most tragic life of all the survivors. That this is open for debate is why I'm writing. Locke's relationships with his parents are nearly non-existent, and what little they offer him is highly dysfunctional. He lives a mundane existence of unrelated jobs and isolation. Peg Bundy is his personal highlight, and he botches it trying to juggle loyalties. Even without the loss of the use of his legs, he is miserable. What I enjoy about his character is that he keeps himself in check. He offers wisdom when he can, and when witnessing inequity, a fair judgement is served (twice to Charlie, with the heroine choice and the fist to the jaw). He is one of the only characters who has not accepted being stranded as a setback. Jack is the obvious hero, but I think Locke deserves it more.

Ana Lucia receives my vote for runner-up, because she is constantly confronted by her own flaws, and their impact on others. I honestly believe she wants to overcome them, but doesn't know how.

Why do you presume that Libby's education came after her stay in Santa Rosa. Mental health workers can have break downs too. Don't Psychiatrists have a very high rate of suicide?
I thought that was dentists...

You missed NetworkTV's post 15020 where he used 'to' instead of 'too'.

;)

Rats! I was just on my way too edit that one! :D

Rats! I was just on my way too edit that one! :D

He beat you two it. :D :D

So we shouldn't be surprised to see therapists having therapists.Well, for myself, that was an epiphany 18 years ago.

"Spoiler" on this list means a great deal more than what I think a spoiler is. Spoilers to me are "Luke, I'm your father", and "Kayser Soze is really Verbal Kent". Am I the only person who watched "The Usual Suspects" and knew within the first 5 minutes that Kevin Spacey was Kaiser Soze? You hear his voice in the beginning of the show, and it's Kevin Spacey's voice.

All my friends told me "You've got to watch that movie!" Am I the only one who knows what Kevin Spacey sounds like?

Wow! That was a timebomb of a joke! Either that or I'm impossibly slow today. I was thinking along with CPanther, "sheesh, you mean this guy counted by ones?" I'm usually very quick on the uptake. Congrats and a good joke...I think the mods need to define what is a "good joke" for this board... the posters are being WAY too liberal with their definitions here!

Ana Lucia wearing a pair of "low-cut" jeans with her hand on a gun... it just doesn't get any better than that! :D It would get better than that if Michelle Rodriguez were actually good looking

Jack is the obvious hero, but I think Locke deserves it more.No way... Locke hit Sayid with the tree branch when he was trying to triangulate the signal. A "hero" wouldn't have done that.

I think the mods need to define what is a "good joke" for this board... the posters are being WAY too liberal with their definitions here!
It would get better than that if Michelle Rodriguez were actually good looking


We can't define what qualifies as a good joke because it is too subjective, but I'm pretty comfortable stating that Michelle Rodriguez can officially be labeled as good looking. :)

...They focused in on the pills in the cup when Hurley faked taking them.

That whole pill scene was hard for me to swallow :)

The medication administration procedure in any lockdown psychiatric facility is to not only watch the person swallow the pills immediately after they are administered, but then look into their mouth and under their tongue to make sure they did swallow them.

Just handing out pills and walking away would allow the person to 1) not really take them or 2) save them up and overdose themselves or someone else.

I know it's only TV - maybe you can see why my wife won't watch any medically oriented TV shows with me :D

It would get better than that if Michelle Rodriguez were actually good looking


I'd have to side with your evaluation. Besides she reportedly plays for the other team.....wait, that changes things... :D

Ha! Finally, I have the theory to explain it all. I call it "Bizarro Lost". You see, we've all been pondering how paths crossed before the crash, or that the survivors are really imagining everything, but still sitting in a sanitarium.

Well, here's the truth. All of our so-called survivors are Dharma children, born and raised on the island. They've never actually lived anywhere else. What they're imagining is their lives OFF the island, pretending to have had an existence elsewhere. Their parents, fresh out of their hippy experience in the 70's and trying to live a utopian yet scientific life in the tropics, have filled their minds with all their stories of the mainland and mixed cultures. Hallucinogenic flashbacks and an in-bred willingness to let go the mind and wander the astral planes have bequeathed upon them an uncanny ability to disconnect from the reality of their existence. The childrens' generation ....

Aah, to hell with it. It was funny for a moment, but the moment's past, just a drop of water in an endless sea.

I've got it !!

For a moment, I thought you'd Lost it !! :p

The poker scene was a little bit frustrating. Why would Sawyer call an all in bet with absolutely nothing? He knows he is beat. He would have dumped it. They should have had Sawyer go all in on a bluff, and have Jack call him with a pair of nines.

Guess the writer don't play a lot of poker.
:confused:


He probably put Jack on AK or something. I've seen plenty of ppl keep firing away with it, even when the board doesn't hit them. Sawyer had a pair of fives, which is a crappy hand, but heads up can still win.

Plus Jack had him, pegged, Sawyer didn't want to back down with everyone watching.

Hurley said he was headed to the caves, that no one lived there anymore. I didn't realize they'd left the caves. Apparently it is because some are occupying the hatch? Did we see anything else on this move earlier?

Yeah, the only reason for staying at the caves was water, which they get from the Hatch now?

No, Leonard and another fellow were in the navy and heard the numbers over and over again on their radio. The other fellow was who Hurley went looking for in Australia, who had already died. Hurley talked to the other fellow's wife and she linked the numbers to his death.

I suppose it's POSSIBLE, Leonard and his partner were occupants of the Hatch , and the Navy story is their cover. But I guess we'll see.

I think it's a real credit to Jorge Garcia to permit/allow the producers and writers to play on his physical prowess for the storyline.
He's delivered some of the best performances on the series. You know a lot of that emotion has to come straight from his own experiences.

Maybe Anna Lucia should develop a drinking problem.

Maybe Anna Lucia should develop a drinking problem.

Or does she have a temper problem in real life and they are already working on that?

- Tom

Maybe Anna Lucia should develop a drinking problem.

I think she already has. ;)

Mug Shot (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/lostgirlsmug1.html)

Ha! Finally, I have the theory to explain it all. I call it "Bizarro Lost". You see, we've all been pondering how paths crossed before the crash, or that the survivors are really imagining everything, but still sitting in a sanitarium.

Well, here's the truth. All of our so-called survivors are Dharma children, born and raised on the island. They've never actually lived anywhere else. What they're imagining is their lives OFF the island, pretending to have had an existence elsewhere. Their parents, fresh out of their hippy experience in the 70's and trying to live a utopian yet scientific life in the tropics, have filled their minds with all their stories of the mainland and mixed cultures. Hallucinogenic flashbacks and an in-bred willingness to let go the mind and wander the astral planes have bequeathed upon them an uncanny ability to disconnect from the reality of their existence. The childrens' generation ....

Aah, to hell with it. It was funny for a moment, but the moment's past, just a drop of water in an endless sea.

I beat you to a similar theory ;) :

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7372378#post7372378

Regarding AL:

Besides she reportedly plays for the other team

So does that mean we may get to see her hook up with Kate? :D

I think she already has. ;)

Mug Shot (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/lostgirlsmug1.html)
Um, you realize that's Michelle Rodriguez, not Anna Lucia, don't you?

I am surprised this theory hasn't come up yet, or maybe it did and I missed it, but heres me take after watching the last episode.

Every one of them are patients from the asylum. I am not suggesting that they are hallucinating this, far from that. We know the Dharma folks are psychologists or scientists of some sort. Each member of the island could easily have gone crazy at some point based on their backstories and been institutionalized. What if this is some form of group treatment for a bunch of lunatics.

Experimental treatement where they all share a made up tramautic event (plane crash, deserted island), face a series of challenges and realize they are good people. The others are on the island to supervise the treatment and make sure things don't go awry. They are also there to continually challenge them to perservere.

Doesn't explain everything, but it's an interesting thought (to me at least).

I like it as a concept for a film like Identity, but hope there is more to this show than a big group therapy daydream session...

v/r,
C-F

Um, you realize that's Michelle Rodriguez, not Anna Lucia, don't you?

No......Really. :rolleyes:

Good I thought maybe this was the spoiler thread. :D

Naveen Andrews on GMA this morning - coming up.

Daniel Dae Kim on Tony Danza. Don't know if it's a rerun.

Daniel Dae Kim on Tony Danza. Don't know if it's a rerun.

You know what would be great? If you could tell me BEFORE I get to work!

:p

I like it as a concept for a film like Identity, but hope there is more to this show than a big group therapy daydream session...

v/r,
C-F

Not a daydream session. What we are seeing is really happening. They are just being placed in a controlled environment to drive them to all realize they actually are good people. Each of them have done bad things or had bad things happen that could lead them to feel they are bad people...and potentially suffer a breakdown leading them to be institutionalized. Not neccesarily the same institution.....just institutionalized. Hurley recognize her because they were in same asylum. Maybe Hurley is having a breakthrough (or breakdown) of sorts.

Dharma is one giant experimental psychology group. They take good candidates for their experimental program out to this island and place them in this situation. Help them prove to themselves that they are worthy of living.

Possible breakdown causes:

Kate: Killed her stepfather...couldnt live with the guilt
Jack: Chose one person over another
Sawyer: Saw parents killed, adopted person of the conman
Locke: Father/girlfriend issues
Hobbit: Drug addict

many others.

It's also possible that they aren't the 1st group to be experimented on, french lady may be from a different group.

The children may never have actually been there. Just pawns to give these people a mission of worth.


I don't feel my theory is necessarily accurate, but I think it may be in the right direction after this last episode.

Not a daydream session. What we are seeing is really happening. They are just being placed in a controlled environment to drive them to all realize they actually are good people...
So... Dave really jumped off the cliff and killed himself just for Hurley to realize he's a good person? I really doubt that.

Not a daydream session. What we are seeing is really happening. They are just being placed in a controlled environment to drive them to all realize they actually are good people. Each of them have done bad things or had bad things happen that could lead them to feel they are bad people...and potentially suffer a breakdown leading them to be institutionalized. Not neccesarily the same institution.....just institutionalized. Hurley recognize her because they were in same asylum. Maybe Hurley is having a breakthrough (or breakdown) of sorts.

Dharma is one giant experimental psychology group. They take good candidates for their experimental program out to this island and place them in this situation. Help them prove to themselves that they are worthy of living.

Possible breakdown causes:

Kate: Killed her stepfather...couldnt live with the guilt
Jack: Chose one person over another
Sawyer: Saw parents killed, adopted person of the conman
Locke: Father/girlfriend issues
Hobbit: Drug addict

many others.

It's also possible that they aren't the 1st group to be experimented on, french lady may be from a different group.

The children may never have actually been there. Just pawns to give these people a mission of worth.


I don't feel my theory is necessarily accurate, but I think it may be in the right direction after this last episode.


I kinda like it in theory, but then what about the people who have been killed? If this really was a way to help them, would Dharma allowed them to be killed?

I do think the hospital and the island/Dharma are connected in someway, just not sure this is the way.

So... Dave really jumped off the cliff and killed himself just for Hurley to realize he's a good person? I really doubt that.

Dave is clearly Hurley's hallucination... unless of course the island has a way of manifesting images from people's memories... and there's evidence of that... the comic book polar bear, Jack's father, Kate's black horse... Now in the case of the horse and the bear multiple people saw it. Dave and Jack's father were only seen by Hurley and Jack. Hurley was imagining Dave off the island. The question is, was Dave's appearance on the island a continuation of that, or is it related to Jack's experience? Jack, I would think, doesn't need clonazepam.

But lately Jack has been looking pale and his eyes are bloodshot, like he hasn't slept in two weeks. The makeup people have to be making his look like this for some reason.

So... Dave really jumped off the cliff and killed himself just for Hurley to realize he's a good person? I really doubt that.

No, Dave was truly Hurleys hallucination which was why he was in the asylum to begin with. When I say he may be having a breakdown or a breakthrough it's because he is beginning to manifest the symptoms which landed him in the asylum in the 1st place. This would alarm the Dharma scientists. So maybe she was sent to reign him back in. Although I can't reconcile how a patient would end up on the Dharma payroll...and I definately think she is on the Dharma payroll.

As far as people being killed....no one has been killed. It's all part of the controlled environment. They clearly have some means of projecting images like the horse or Walt etc, how much of what the people have experienced is real, and how much is part of the theatre that is Dharma?


Like I said......this is just a thought I had after last episode. By no means is it well thought out to cover every detail from every episode, but I think we are definately heading towards something along these lines. As long as they don't pull a St. Elsewhere on us I can live with it.

You know, why can't Hurley's episode just be about personal growth? Why does it have to be rooted in conspiracy. It has already been reported in the press that the actor has chosen to lose weight. In the context of the show, he was feeling guilty about hiding the stashed food and eating it. Sharing that with Libby and discarding the food were signs of him wanting to take hold of his dysfunction. Dave reappeared in a last-ditch effort to keep Hurley eating, just like when they were in the hospital. Except for the bit of Libby being in there at the end, all evidence points to basic personal growth drama. Sometimes it seems so difficult for some listers to accept old-fashioned drama in this show. Everything has to have a kink, a subtext.

You know, why can't Hurley's episode just be about personal growth? Why does it have to be rooted in conspiracy. It has already been reported in the press that the actor has chosen to lose weight. In the context of the show, he was feeling guilty about hiding the stashed food and eating it. Sharing that with Libby and discarding the food were signs of him wanting to take hold of his dysfunction. Dave reappeared in a last-ditch effort to keep Hurley eating, just like when they were in the hospital. Except for the bit of Libby being in there at the end, all evidence points to basic personal growth drama. Sometimes it seems so difficult for some listers to accept old-fashioned drama in this show. Everything has to have a kink, a subtext.

If it's just about personal growth, then why have Libby in the hospital with him, I guess just to show a connection?? I don't see it. Especially after the creepy/evil music they played when we first see her in the hospital. Anyway, I hope there is more of a story there - personal growth is fine, but I'd rather have a conspiracy. :)

If it's just about personal growth, then why have Libby in the hospital with him, I guess just to show a connection?? I don't see it. Especially after the creepy/evil music they played when we first see her in the hospital. Anyway, I hope there is more of a story there - personal growth is fine, but I'd rather have a conspiracy. :)

I accept a conspiracy on the part of Libby, within reason.

I kinda like it in theory, but then what about the people who have been killed? If this really was a way to help them, would Dharma allowed them to be killed?That would be a whopper of a liability release the families signed... :)

Just joshing antneye, I got it - with the ability to create the fake crash memories, the [controllers] could be setting conditions, staging events, and pulling individuals in to touch-up/adjust their memories. I am not ready to support it, but I think that idea has some interesting themes. I think the biggest one is: what happens when the targets find out it was fake? Seems to risk a big identity crisis at the end, and maybe enough doubt about what was real or not to undermine any lessons learned or behavioral changes.

Of course if you were an evil psych-[whatever] researcher you might try the same experiment with none of those silly moral/legal/ethical constraints. Fake turbulence, spiking the O2, and faking the crash to the real world on any random trans-oceanic flight could be a real easy way to get [relatively] inquiry-free subjects. The big six-degrees conspiracy might just be random draw...

v/r,
C-F

For anyone who's missed episodes that doesn't want to pay 1.99 to itunes, it looks like Disney will offer Lost for free starting in May. It doesn't specify whether this is for season 1 or 2.
http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20060410/D8GTANUO5.html

Other free shows for download include Alias, Desperate Housewives, and Commander in Chief. It doesn't specify what type of resolution the downloads will be.

You know, why can't Hurley's episode just be about personal growth?What we need is an episode about Hurley's personal shrinkage!

You know, why can't Hurley's episode just be about personal growth?What we need is an episode about Hurley's personal shrinkage!

For anyone who's missed episodes that doesn't want to pay 1.99 to itunes, it looks like Disney will offer Lost for free starting in May. It doesn't specify whether this is for season 1 or 2.
http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20060410/D8GTANUO5.html

Other free shows for download include Alias, Desperate Housewives, and Commander in Chief. It doesn't specify what type of resolution the downloads will be.

It's actually streaming. They will play in a browser window, and you won't be able to skip through commercials. I applaud ABC for doing this. Yes I know it's not as good as the commercial free divx rips that get circulated through some of the "pirate" channels, but I don't mind a slightly lower quality version and sitting through a few commercials if it gives me the ability to catch up with shows on my PDA or laptop while sitting at Starbucks, the airport terminal, etc.

Here's technical info on the streams:

Combining an all-new sleek, modern design with user-friendly functionality, ABC.com will offer episodes the day after they premiere on the linear channel. Consumers will be able to pause and move back and forth between "chapters" within each episode, but will not have the ability to fast-forward through advertisements. Episodes will be streamed in 16x9 formatting which offers a cinema-like feel to the viewing experience.

Encoded and streamed in Flash 8, which offers the best video quality and allows users on both Mac and PC platforms to watch the video episode, will be offered in two different sizes. The standard viewing size is 500x282 pixels (streamed at 400kbs), and the larger viewing size is 700x394 pixels (streamed 700 kbps).

So... Dave really jumped off the cliff and killed himself just for Hurley to realize he's a good person? I really doubt that.Right. It's still unclear to me just what Dave is/was. If Hurley despised his compulsive behavior (and Dave was a manifestation of said behavior), pushing Dave off the ledge as opposed to him jumping on his own would make better sense.

Instead we have Dave jumping headfirst onto the ocean rocks and encouraging Hugo to do the same. Judging from his speech and mannerisms, Dave doesn't hate Hurley back. And since he couldn't get him to resume his overeating, he calmly suggests suicide. It doesn't seem to add up.

I need to watch that ep again.

Instead we have Dave jumping headfirst onto the ocean rocks and encouraging Hugo to do the same. Judging from his speech and mannerisms, Dave doesn't hate Hurley back.

Given his actions to either get Hurley to massively overeat or kill himself it is very hard to think of Dave caring for Hurley's best interests. Dunno about hate but, with friends like Dave, Hurley sure needs no enemies.

- Tom

Personally, I think that Hurley DOES NOT look good thinner.

http://www.rmwhome.com/Imagescurrent/Hurley.gif

If you're only posting for one, then maybe a PM is more appropriate?

This thread is long enough already.

Mark

You're not the one I posted it for.

im sure its been mentioned but it just really hit me last week, and it all seems pretty clear now - everybody on the island is being tested. Hurlys weakness is food, ever since the 'hospital' when he couldnt stop eating. All of a sudden he cant get away from food on the island. The cop chick shot somebody back home, now shes put in the same situation here. The con guy is put in a situation where he can con the rest of the group. The drug attic just happens to find tons of heroin on the island. It seems like everybody is being put in a situation to temp them to see if they are going to do the right thing. Am i the only one that missed this all along?

im sure its been mentioned but it just really hit me last week, and it all seems pretty clear now - everybody on the island is being tested. Hurlys weakness is food, ever since the 'hospital' when he couldnt stop eating. All of a sudden he cant get away from food on the island. The cop chick shot somebody back home, now shes put in the same situation here. The con guy is put in a situation where he can con the rest of the group. The drug attic just happens to find tons of heroin on the island. It seems like everybody is being put in a situation to temp them to see if they are going to do the right thing. Am i the only one that missed this all along?
Yeah, I've noticed that too, but the question is why? Is this island really just a rehab center? If so, why? Why did they chose these people to rehab and how did they ensure their survival during the crash? I hope they wouldn't use such a weak twist. There has to be some larger picture.

Yeah, I've noticed that too, but the question is why? Is this island really just a rehab center? If so, why? Why did they chose these people to rehab and how did they ensure their survival during the crash? I hope they wouldn't use such a weak twist. There has to be some larger picture.
first thing that pops into my head would be they are stuck in purgatory, if they do right they go to 'heaven', wrong they go to hell? Thaat could also play in with what the 'other' guy said last week, that god dont even know where that place is. Since it isnt heaven or hell, its like a in between thing. Would be weak, i hope thats not it.

I think you are really onto something. I never put 2 and 2 together but you are right, everyone is being faced with the same problem/issue they had before the island.

Mark

im sure its been mentioned but it just really hit me last week, and it all seems pretty clear now - everybody on the island is being tested. Hurlys weakness is food, ever since the 'hospital' when he couldnt stop eating. All of a sudden he cant get away from food on the island. The cop chick shot somebody back home, now shes put in the same situation here. The con guy is put in a situation where he can con the rest of the group. The drug attic just happens to find tons of heroin on the island. It seems like everybody is being put in a situation to temp them to see if they are going to do the right thing. Am i the only one that missed this all along?

I do not know if I missed it as a theme, I just thought of consistent and constant temptation as a part of life and the writers were portraying life as such. I thought it was [character] building. Maybe I am the only one here with my stop on the second level...

v/r,
C-F

first thing that pops into my head would be they are stuck in purgatory, if they do right they go to 'heaven', wrong they go to hell? Thaat could also play in with what the 'other' guy said last week, that god dont even know where that place is. Since it isnt heaven or hell, its like a in between thing. Would be weak, i hope thats not it.

The producers shot down purgatory very early on.

Naveen Andrews (Sayid) is on the ABC miniseries "The Ten Commandments" right now, playing Menerith.

I go away for the weekend and there are 5 new pages....jeBUS!

I do not know if I missed it as a theme, I just thought of consistent and constant temptation as a part of life and the writers were portraying life as such. I thought it was [character] building. Maybe I am the only one here with my stop on the second level...

v/r,
C-F
yea but hurly's food thing, he tried to do the right thing, and 2 seconds later food magically appears, is more then just lifes temptation. And the heroine addict just happens to find tons of heroin on a island? not even a different kind of drug, he finds heroin. Thats not exactly lifes every day temptations, thats something more to that that is testing them. And as far as the writers shooting it down, every friggen preview for the next week is made to throw us off, not sure i would trust them. Although i dont really think its purgatory, maybe its all a sceince project about human temptations

Am i the only one that missed this all along?

Probably one of the few, although I believe there are also still a few holdouts that aren't buying into anything more conspiratorial than everything just being a coincidence.

Hey, just took a long ABC poll on Lost. It was about 50 or 60 questions about the the character interaction, plot progression, what I want to see more of, what I want less of. Very interesting. There were places to write comments about the show, I indicated I would like the show to run like 24 a late start with very few interruptions. They also asked if I would like the 7 on 7 off schedule, I indicated that would be my preference over the current hit and miss schedule.

Also asked if I would like to see more Jack and Kate or Sawyer and Kate, plus various other pairings. If I wanted the plot to move faster, more or less backstories, focus on the core characters or explore more of the other "Losties", and "Others".

Pretty much sounds like they were reading this thread...

I finally got around to reversing the audio on that part where Sawyer and Bernard are talking about Sun being pregnant. They said:
Bernard: Well...How do you know?
Sawyer: I've got my sources.
Bernard: Aren't you going to tell him that?
Sawyer: Not my place.
Bernard: Well..You should tell him.
Sawyer: Hell no...Let Sunshine tell him.

The producers shot down purgatory very early on.I always hear people on this forum saying "the producers said this" and "the producers said that."

What if they lie? What if they change their minds? Do you really think a class action suit by angry viewers would win?

"Your honor, we devoted one hour every Wednesday for FIVE YEARS to that show, under the promise that it wouldn't be blah blah blah..."

That case would get thrown out in 2 seconds. And in the meantime, the producers of Lost would have made their millions.

Who said anything about a class action lawsuit by angry viewers? That's ludicrous.

Aside from what the producers have said, I think most fans would be pissed to find out that all of their favorite characters are actually dead.

Hey, just took a long ABC poll on Lost. It was about 50 or 60 questions about the the character interaction, plot progression, what I want to see more of, what I want less of. Very interesting. There were places to write comments about the show, I indicated I would like the show to run like 24 a late start with very few interruptions. They also asked if I would like the 7 on 7 off schedule, I indicated that would be my preference over the current hit and miss schedule.

Also asked if I would like to see more Jack and Kate or Sawyer and Kate, plus various other pairings. If I wanted the plot to move faster, more or less backstories, focus on the core characters or explore more of the other "Losties", and "Others".

Pretty much sounds like they were reading this thread...

Speaking of what someone might hate to see, I'd hate to see the writers bow to audience pressure and write with the prevailing winds. Can you imagine a letter writing campaign to Stephen King, or your favorite rock band, "Please sir, less of this and more of that please." Let the story unfold as it will. This seems just a little bit too eager to please.

Who said anything about a class action lawsuit by angry viewers? That's ludicrous.

Aside from what the producers have said, I think most fans would be pissed to find out that all of their favorite characters are actually dead.

All of my favorite characters ARE dead. Passenger #7, in seat 24D? That guy was the shizzle!

Naveen Andrews (Sayid) is on the ABC miniseries "The Ten Commandments" right now, playing Menerith.

Actually, Menerith is Sayid's ancestor going 108 generations back. The family moved from Egypt to Iraq in the big oil rush of '42.

Hey, another revelation from the Ten Commandments last night. I think the Black Smoke was responsible for killing all the first-born of the Egyptians.

Hey, just took a long ABC poll on Lost. It was about 50 or 60 questions about the the character interaction, plot progression, what I want to see more of, what I want less of. Very interesting. There were places to write comments about the show, I indicated I would like the show to run like 24 a late start with very few interruptions.

I was thinking about that, but I think the current method has the advantage of giving the writers a chance to respond to certain issues before the end of the season if they see the fans really complaining loudly about something in the first part of the season.

If it switched to a 24-style, there would be absolutely no chance for them to tweak things along the way.

I finally got around to reversing the audio on that part where Sawyer and Bernard are talking about Sun being pregnant. They said:
Bernard: Well...How do you know?
Sawyer: I've got my sources.
Bernard: Aren't you going to tell him that?
Sawyer: Not my place.
Bernard: Well..You should tell him.
Sawyer: Hell no...Let Sunshine tell him.

What technique did you use, precisely?

You can use any PC software like Audacity http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ to reverse the sound but I'm not sure how you'd separate the sound from the recording yet.

I finally got around to reversing the audio on that part where Sawyer and Bernard are talking about Sun being pregnant. They said:
Bernard: Well...How do you know?
Sawyer: I've got my sources.
Bernard: Aren't you going to tell him that?
Sawyer: Not my place.
Bernard: Well..You should tell him.
Sawyer: Hell no...Let Sunshine tell him.

Now I want to hear from all those who speculated it was filled with dastardly Easter Eggs.

You can use any PC software like Audacity http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ to reverse the sound but I'm not sure how you'd separate the sound from the recording yet.

There are programs that strip audio from different video files just like there are programs that convert one video format to another. I used to take the hdd out of my Dish 501 receiver and hook it up to my PC to transfer the recordings. The software I used separated the video and audio streams before coversion to MPEG. It has been awhile since I stopped doing that, so I can't remember what program I used. The point is that there are several out there that will strip audio streams and allow you to convert them to mp3 or whatever.

Now I want to hear from all those who speculated it was filled with dastardly Easter Eggs.

Wow, you like to rub it in, don't you? I can't wait until we find out that this whole show has something to do with aliens, ultra-futuristic technology, or super-human mind control. Then, I will slap your level-headed, lets be sensible, Occam's Razor approach right in your face! ;)

Hey, just took a long ABC poll on Lost. It was about 50 or 60 questions about the the character interaction, plot progression, what I want to see more of, what I want less of. Very interesting. There were places to write comments about the show, I indicated I would like the show to run like 24 a late start with very few interruptions. They also asked if I would like the 7 on 7 off schedule, I indicated that would be my preference over the current hit and miss schedule.

Also asked if I would like to see more Jack and Kate or Sawyer and Kate, plus various other pairings. If I wanted the plot to move faster, more or less backstories, focus on the core characters or explore more of the other "Losties", and "Others".

Pretty much sounds like they were reading this thread...
Was it on their web site or what?

Wow, you like to rub it in, don't you? I can't wait until we find out that this whole show has something to do with aliens, ultra-futuristic technology, or super-human mind control. Then, I will slap your level-headed, lets be sensible, Occam's Razor approach right in your face! ;)

Bring it! I thought this was a rather obvious television technique to show incomprehension, so I don't expect to offend too many with my little ribbing. Still, I'm always reminded of the backmasking in 70's audio.

Wow, you like to rub it in, don't you? I can't wait until we find out that this whole show has something to do with aliens, ultra-futuristic technology, or super-human mind control.

Of course there have been many successful sci-fi shows over the years. How many of them took two seasons minimum before they revealed the otherworldly elements though? This would be the first, in my estimation. I've never watched Invasion, but doesn't it already cover that ground?

Of course there have been many successful sci-fi shows over the years. How many of them took two seasons minimum before they revealed the otherworldly elements though? This would be the first, in my estimation. I've never watched Invasion, but doesn't it already cover that ground?

Invasion has already let alot out of the bag. It won't last long, but I like the show.


I wasn't being serious with those Lost scenarios. The more I read these forums the more I think the explanation will be more reasonable. What we are really going to find out is that Dharma was created by a bunch of Cyborgs from the future that are going to take over the world before John Conner grows up and leads an army to defeat them. I wouldn't be surprised if the black smoke is the prototype for the bad terminator in the upcoming T4.

All of my favorite characters ARE dead. Passenger #7, in seat 24D? That guy was the shizzle!

Please don't say "shizzle."

:: looking around for diehard West Wing fans ::

PS Please don't say "you rock."

What technique did you use, precisely?
Just ripped a piece of the audio into a wav file (any video editing software can do this, I just used avidemux2 since I'm on a Linux environment). The program I used was sox since it's as simple as "sox wav1.wav reversed.wav reverse". Of course you hear the conversation backwards as well. It starts with "Let Sunshine tell him." Then "Hell no." And so on.

Of course there have been many successful sci-fi shows over the years. How many of them took two seasons minimum before they revealed the otherworldly elements though? This would be the first, in my estimation.

Dunno. Seems intelligent telepathic nanotech smoke oughta at least count for something here. ;)

- Tom

Dunno. Seems intelligent telepathic nanotech smoke oughta at least count for something here. ;)

- Tom
Well, it was the Hobbit and Eko who saw it. Maybe they did some of Charlie's stash and that was the result.

Speaking of what someone might hate to see, I'd hate to see the writers bow to audience pressure and write with the prevailing winds. Can you imagine a letter writing campaign to Stephen King, or your favorite rock band, "Please sir, less of this and more of that please." Let the story unfold as it will. This seems just a little bit too eager to please.I agree. Not that TV writers haven't listened to viewer reaction and made changes based on it since the beginning. But this is just too direct and a little more "interactive" than I'd like to see. It takes some of the fun out of it somehow :(.

Having said that, I really hope they read my reaction to this and take into account my feelings about it moving forward ;) :D.


ron

Actually, Menerith is Sayid's ancestor going 108 generations back. The family moved from Egypt to Iraq in the big oil rush of '42. :D The big rush of 342 B.C. I know I'll never forget it.

:D The big rush of 342 B.C. I know I'll never forget it.

I for one intend to be much more respectful to you rezzy, as you're obviously older than all of us on the thread put together!

Was it on their web site or what?


I got an email from ABC asking if I would like to take the poll.

I got an email from ABC asking if I would like to take the poll.

How did ABC know you were a LOST fan?

Here's a good article on the mysteries of Lost that should help whet your appetite for tonight's episode. The article contains theories and hypotheses, but no spoilers. The article is two pages.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12192688/from/RS.3/

You'll have to cut and paste.....


For future reference, posting an address will automatically create a link. If you want a title instead of an address you do the following - use [ ] instead of { }:

{url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12192688/from/RS.3/}LOST Article{/url}

and you'll get:

LOST Article (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12192688/from/RS.3/)

How did ABC know you were a LOST fan?

Uh, who isn't, dude?

:D The big rush of 342 B.C. I know I'll never forget it.

Hard to forget that year because it was the last time the Chi Cubs won the series.


I for one intend to be much more respectful to you rezzy, as you're obviously older than all of us on the thread put together!

What, you don't know rezzy's backstory? He's the guy that invented fire, and he's been kicking back, living off the royalties ever since. He get $.02 every time somebody lights a cigarette.


Whoa, I can't wait until I have another Lost episode to think about. My idle mind is a scary thing sometimes.

I got an email from ABC asking if I would like to take the poll.The real question is how do you know for sure that it was ABC? Dharma is everywhere now..... I think they may be targeting you for some ongoing "research" if you get my drift. Have you been having any unexplained urges to eat compulsively lately or seen any strangely out of place animals or anything?


ron

Uh, who isn't, dude?

Idol fans?

The sissies!

A couple episodes ago, when Sayid, A.L., and Charlie went looking for the balloon and grave, "Henry Gale" made his eerie/cocky comment to Locke and Jack that if he was one of "them", he would have led those characters on a wild goose chase, into and ambush, and then the others would use them as hostages for a swap for Henry, finishing off the story with "good thing I'm not one of them."

A lot has been discussed about Gale getting into Locke's head. But did Gale get into Jack's head with that and suggest/channel Jack into a situation that is exactly as Gale described it?

A couple episodes ago, when Sayid, A.L., and Charlie went looking for the balloon and grave, "Henry Gale" made his eerie/cocky comment to Locke and Jack that if he was one of "them", he would have led those characters on a wild goose chase, into and ambush, and then the others would use them as hostages for a swap for Henry, finishing off the story with "good thing I'm not one of them."

A lot has been discussed about Gale getting into Locke's head. But did Gale get into Jack's head with that and suggest/channel Jack into a situation that is exactly as Gale described it?

I would answer your question, but it would require discussing the preview, which constitutes spoilering. Let me just say "no" to your question. The circumstances are different.

I would answer your question, but it would require discussing the preview, which constitutes spoilering.

No, it doesn't. It's been long established that the "next on LOST" preview at the end of an episode is fair game for discussion and is not a spoiler. Anybody who has a problem with that is a little girlie man. :cool:

No, it doesn't. It's been long established that the "next on LOST" preview at the end of an episode is fair game for discussion and is not a spoiler. Anybody who has a problem with that is a little girlie man. :cool:

The thing is, Jack and Kate were already in the presence of Mr Friendly and The Others. If they wanted to harm, incapacitate, or kidnap Jack, they would have done it already. Why would they let him return to camp, only to later clandestinely try to lure him back?

I don't think that the primary reason for gale being there is to lure Jack into a trap. However it might be a backup plan in case he got caught. One of those - if you don't hear from me in 5 days then here's what we'll do - plans.

Jack might try to use Gale as leverage but something tells me he will never have the upper hand with the others.

After tonights new edition, looks like next week is devoted to a 2hr Alias. The following week, April 26th, we get a season 2 recap episode (not sure if that is a repeat) and then we get the last 5 new episodes on May 3rd, 10th, 17th, and finish up with a pt 1 & pt 2 - 2 hr season finale on May 24th.
Wow, just 6 more episodes....and that's it until next season. Lost withdrawl begins!!!

On ABC.com, they have video snippets from previous episodes. I don't DVR, so this was helpful. There was "The Lost Moment" from Lockdown, featuring the pivotal scene with Henry going to the clock and Locke viewing the map -- by far, the best Wow moment of the season for me. Anyway, I have been preoccupied with Henry's description of what happened, because he mentioned the magnetic-like sounds when the clock ended. Well, after watching this snippet, it was very clear to me that the unusual sounds were there, and it was definitely more than just the numbers flipping to the hieroglyphics. Based on the sounds, I do believe Henry did nothing, and that his description was honest.

On ABC.com, they have video snippets from previous episodes. I don't DVR, so this was helpful. There was "The Lost Moment" from Lockdown, featuring the pivotal scene with Henry going to the clock and Locke viewing the map -- by far, the best Wow moment of the season for me. Anyway, I have been preoccupied with Henry's description of what happened, because he mentioned the magnetic-like sounds when the clock ended. Well, after watching this snippet, it was very clear to me that the unusual sounds were there, and it was definitely more than just the numbers flipping to the hieroglyphics. Based on the sounds, I do believe Henry did nothing, and that his description was honest.

The question is whether he eventually typed them in after the noises, or whether he really did nothing at all like he says and the clock reset by itself.

It could be he wants to get Locke to think not entering the numbers is ok, and then Locke will eventually stop doing it, and something bad may happen if Henry lied.

If that's the case, it must be something bad that Henry doesn't want to be around when it happens, because otherwise he would have never (hypothetically) entered the numbers himself when he had the chance to let the clock lapse.

The thing is, Jack and Kate were already in the presence of Mr Friendly and The Others. If they wanted to harm, incapacitate, or kidnap Jack, they would have done it already. Why would they let him return to camp, only to later clandestinely try to lure him back?

Because at the time, Jack and Kate didn't have Henry in captivity, beaten and battered and shot at. If Henry is somehow connected to the Others/Dharma, an infiltrator like Ethan, but more senior and now found out and captive, his fellow remote Others might be less congenial than they were last time.

It's not that Mr Friendly and his band of Others are luring him back, it's that Henry is playing Locke and Jack like puppets, inciting derision, and maybe guiding them where he wants them to go.

Though if Jack and Kate are the ones caught in the net, that seems to be a favorite trap of Rousseau, not the Others. But that's not to say she wouldn't sell-out Jack and Kate to the Others just like she did Gale to them. Maybe she's barterring to get Alex back.

Gotta love the mystery in it all.

Though if Jack and Kate are the ones caught in the net, that seems to be a favorite trap of Rousseau, not the Others. But that's not to say she wouldn't sell-out Jack and Kate to the Others just like she did Gale to them. Maybe she's barterring to get Alex back.
I like the idea that the net is Rousseau's. However, I don't see why she would be trying to use Jack and Kate to barter with the Others. I don't think the Others want 'em. Plus, I'm sure Jack has a gun and once in the net he still would be able to get it out and shoot someone.

I think the net scene with Jack and Kate is not going to be a "oh no, they're caught!" but rather it might be used by the writers as a means to get Jack and Kate close together. :o

Seeing that net scene in the previews, and Libby getting close to Hurley last episode, and the fact that everyone always has sweat rings around their clothes, I keep thinking how bad these people would actually smell.

My idle mind is a scary thing sometimes.

A mind is a terrible thing.

...I keep thinking how bad these people would actually smell.

But they have a brand new washing machine in the hatch!

oh good going kate...

if only they had R2!

Well are we gonna see walt, or is this EP gonna be a dissapointment and just another character story about rose

Appearently the island does have healing powers. I wondered why Rose gave John that long look (she remembered him from the airport and realized they both have recovered from their ailments). Jack also explained why some information is sparsely shared amongst themselves. Man, I'd almost swear the producers read this forum regularly.

Love the incomplete "SOS" sign looking like a frowny face. :(

Booyah! What a huge amount of information tonight! At least in that respect, it was a fantastic episode.

Tonight's episode was a big disappointment in my opinion. I was expecting more to happen with Jack and hoepfully we would see the Others.

I find it strange -- I have very little to add, because there were mostly answers, rather than new questions.

Love the incomplete "SOS" sign looking like a frowny face. :(

You were looking at it upside down, pessimist. ;)

Did anyone recognize Isaac, or was he completely new?

Upside-down it's just a smile with two balls under the chin. ;)

Someone off-forum combed thru the pilot or shortly thereafter and found a scene with Mr. Friendly, unbearded, amongst our survivors on the beach. I think it was just casting economy, but others may find a conspiracy in it. Unfortunately, I didn't save the link, but I saw the face shot myself.

pretty straightforward episode, imho..nothing crazy, unless I missed something

still doesn't prove the island has healing powers....has Issac ever been on the show before? I was thinking they'd tie in Hurley's outback adventure with Rose's....dunno, seemed a little simplistic for a Lost plot

Upside-down it's just a smile with two balls under the chin. ;)
That reminds me of Scary Movie 4, "Oh it's okay, I've taken balls in the face before."

I can't forsee that much discussion after that episode...lol, even the Lost boards are dead

pretty straightforward episode, imho..nothing crazy, unless I missed something

still doesn't prove the island has healing powers....has Issac ever been on the show before? I was thinking they'd tie in Hurley's outback adventure with Rose's....dunno, seemed a little simplistic for a Lost plot

Let me list what we saw:

Walt's dog -- was he gone for a long time?
Michael
Confirmation on the church building -- kudos to speculators
Henry smiling -- first actual proof he's playing mind games, and not that he's just tactless
Henry's statement that he wouldn't be taken in trade for Walt
Locke did walk in the pilot, Rose also thinks she's healed, and we'll see how fast Locke's new injury heals
Kate confirms there can be real reasons people don't share information
John may not push the button again, even if he did sit back down at the end
Isaac's mention of magnetic centers of power
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I'll edit more in as I remember them.

Let me list what we saw:

dog -- was he gone for a long time?
Michael
Confirmation on the church building -- kudos to speculators
Henry smiling -- first actual proof he's playing mind games, and not that he's just tactless
Locke did walk in the pilot, Rose also thinks she's healed, and we'll see how fast Locke's new injury heals
Kate confirms there can be real reasons people don't share information
I'll edit more in as I remember them.
[/list]

Walt is extremely important...Henry said Zeke/other leader won't trade his life for Walts

The island is a place of great importance and energy, like Issac's home or whatever

It appears this is the first time we've seen Issac (IMDB) (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0701460/)

Norma Rae...heh. Sawyer's writers are the coolest.

who the hell is issac!?!?!?!?????????????????????????????????

oops the healer guy

On ABC.com, they have video snippets from previous episodes. I don't DVR, so this was helpful. There was "The Lost Moment" from Lockdown, featuring the pivotal scene with Henry going to the clock and Locke viewing the map -- by far, the best Wow moment of the season for me. Anyway, I have been preoccupied with Henry's description of what happened, because he mentioned the magnetic-like sounds when the clock ended. Well, after watching this snippet, it was very clear to me that the unusual sounds were there, and it was definitely more than just the numbers flipping to the hieroglyphics. Based on the sounds, I do believe Henry did nothing, and that his description was honest.
We heard the sounds before when Jack was keeping Locke from the computer because Sayid was interrogating Henry, but Locke got to the computer apparently in time to stop the last heiroglyph.

I like the idea that the net is Rousseau's. However, I don't see why she would be trying to use Jack and Kate to barter with the Others. I don't think the Others want 'em. Plus, I'm sure Jack has a gun and once in the net he still would be able to get it out and shoot someone.

I think the net scene with Jack and Kate is not going to be a "oh no, they're caught!" but rather it might be used by the writers as a means to get Jack and Kate close together.

Seeing that net scene in the previews, and Libby getting close to Hurley last episode, and the fact that everyone always has sweat rings around their clothes, I keep thinking how bad these people would actually smell.
It's unclear who set up the net. In my opinion it was Rousseau. It was just happenstance that Kate found the doll though, so it wasn't meant to capture them like you said. The Others still have no interest in the Losties. However, since Michael seems to have found them according to the preview, they may need to take more of an interest in them.

Someone off-forum combed thru the pilot or shortly thereafter and found a scene with Mr. Friendly, unbearded, amongst our survivors on the beach. I think it was just casting economy, but others may find a conspiracy in it. Unfortunately, I didn't save the link, but I saw the face shot myself.
Interesting, I may have to go back through and see that again.

Confirmation on the church building -- kudos to speculators
Well, that's about the only thing Eko would be building since he's not out to hurt anyone anymore.

Walt's dog -- was he gone for a long time?
Yeah, it's been a while since we've seen him, possibly since Shannon died?

Henry smiling -- first actual proof he's playing mind games, and not that he's just tactless
Yeah, Henry had a big smile on him this time. He's had a small grin on him before, but now he's really happy. Also, he seems to know about Walt.

It appears this is the first time we've seen Issac (IMDB)
Hmm, so that was Wayne Pygram? Guess I didn't recognize him since I'm used to his character on Farscape with all the makeup.

I can see why Rose and maybe Locke would not want to be rescued, but why are the rest so indifferant to anything that might increase their chance of being rescued? As Bernard said, at least one plane flys over the island periodically and there is always the chance that a satellite will take a photo of the island. Also the people connected with the Dharma Project (or at least the head) and the pilots of the plane that dropped the food know the location of the island. I assume they think it is still the participants of the Dharma Project, so does that mean someone will return for them at some point? (I may be forgetting something from an earliler episode that answers my question.)

The more we see, the more "Henry" comes across as a bada$$. He's obviously very smart and cunning. He seems to know more about the Losties than some stranger just introduced to them. So far he's used his intellect and it looks like we may see some physical ability as well, if he's able to disarm AL, a trained cop?

I don't know if he's "him", some other major Dharma player, one of the leaders of the group "visualization" session at Hurleys's institution facilitating this whole story, ... Whatever his capacity, he seems to be pulling the strings to some extent, by challenging and planting ideas with the Losties.

I thought this was a good episode, just not a great one; like last week. They can't all be great. At least we got a "new" backstory, not a re-hashed or continued one; with Eko, AL, and Bernard I think the only one missing is Libby, right?

Next ep looks to be interesting, if they do more than just talk about the others. Maybe at least Walt will tell what he's found.

Wonder why Sayid declined Jack's offer? You'd think he'd be interested.

And what was that line that Bernard said to Eko; something like "I liked you better when you were just hitting people with your stick". Too funny.

Bad news for the night was some apparent broadcast issue with local ABC affiliate; had to watch in SD (the things I do for LOST :P ).

I can see why Rose and maybe Locke would not want to be rescued, but why are the rest so indifferant to anything that might increase their chance of being rescued? As Bernard said, at least one plane flys over the island periodically and there is always the chance that a satellite will take a photo of the island. Also the people connected with the Dharma Project (or at least the head) and the pilots of the plane that dropped the food know the location of the island. I assume they think it is still the participants of the Dharma Project, so does that mean someone will return for them at some point? (I may be forgetting something from an earliler episode that answers my question.)
Everyone seems awfully happy there and I guess rightfully so. They've got everything they could want.

Yeah, Henry had a big smile on him this time. He's had a small grin on him before, but now he's really happy. Also, he seems to know about Walt.


Not necessarily -- Jack mentioned Walt and the trade. Henry could just be spinning Jack's words. You could make the case that Henry is just crazy, because his being an Other is just speculation. There is no proof. All he says that sounds like knowledge of The Others he has picked up from their conversations and fed back to them. He's powerless, so he uses what little influence he still has, which is mainly his mouth.

If they could only get rid of the pests (others, other-others), it'd be paradise. Why not stay?

I can see why Rose and maybe Locke would not want to be rescued, but why are the rest so indifferant to anything that might increase their chance of being rescued?

I read it the same as Rose did - a management problem. On the island, they're all peers, and no one wants a boss. Allowing someone to lead is different from making yourself subservient to someone else. It can be a matter of acknowledging someone else's expertise or bowing out when you're not as interested or committed as another. In Bernard's case, he took the role of boss, and began bossing everyone around. He didn't ask for input, he didn't allow anyone else to make choices. In other words he was the only one owning the task, and he didn't sell it well to everyone else.

If they could only get rid of the pests (others, other-others), it'd be paradise. Why not stay?

Because they can't watch LOST in HD?

If they could only get rid of the pests (others, other-others), it'd be paradise. Why not stay?

Bad food, boredom, personal conflicts, homesickness, not enough tools, fear of the unknown, who knows what else. Joseph Addison said, "The grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to do, something to love and something to hope for." If any of these is missing, then even Paradise is not enough.

Not necessarily -- Jack mentioned Walt and the trade. Henry could just be spinning Jack's words. You could make the case that Henry is just crazy, because his being an Other is just speculation. There is no proof. All he says that sounds like knowledge of The Others he has picked up from their conversations and fed back to them. He's powerless, so he uses what little influence he still has, which is mainly his mouth.

very true...he wasn't correct about the ambush...maybe he's lying about everything....

Bad food....Bad food? (You must mean the Dharma junk) Well, we have the same pre-processed junk here in the 'states. At least they have all the seafood and fresh fruit they can eat, and it's free for the picking/spearing.

A few images from tonight

http://lax.war3.com/Lost/snapshot20060412233925.jpg

http://lax.war3.com/Lost/snapshot20060412234103.jpg

In case those are some how related or important

http://lax.war3.com/Lost/snapshot20060412234307.jpg

http://lax.war3.com/Lost/snapshot20060412234452.jpg

http://lax.war3.com/Lost/snapshot20060412234504.jpg

They keep the camera particularly long on this one...

http://lax.war3.com/Lost/snapshot20060412234606.jpg

:(

http://lax.war3.com/Lost/snapshot20060412234646.jpg

It is Michael

Because they can't watch LOST in HD?

I heard a rumor that real life 20/20 vision has even higher resolution than 720p!

Well are we gonna see walt, or is this EP gonna be a dissapointment and just another character story about rose
We've never had a character story about rose, so this can't be just another character story about rose... ;) :rolleyes:

http://lax.war3.com/Lost/snapshot20060412234103.jpg
Winning lottery numbers? Possibly a reference to Hurley?

I thought this was a good episode, just not a great one; like last week. They can't all be great. At least we got a "new" backstory, not a re-hashed or continued one; with Eko, AL, and Bernard I think the only one missing is Libby, right?

Yeah, although we saw a glimpse of Libby in Hurley's flashback. We still have to find out why Eko and AL were in Australia though. Everybody else, except Libby and those two, we've seen why they were in Australia.

Scorpy as a healer. That made this rather simplistic episode much more enjoyable then it otherwise would have been.

Except for Ana Lucia's "low-cut" jeans, :) I was not impressed with last night's episode. :rolleyes:

Next week is not a new show. When is the next new episode?

Kate confirms there can be real reasons people don't share information
I would have loved for Kate to have borrowed Hurley's line: "Loop, Jack." :)

3 weeks

They should let Jack Bauer interrogate Henry NICELY.
:D

Wonder why Sayid declined Jack's offer? You'd think he'd be interested.


Something tells me he never asked him..

John may not push the button again, even if he did sit back down at the end

Henry was testing Locke's faith, and seemed very pleased with himself to have shaken it so badly, but it was clear to me that Rose's comment to Locke restored his faith, and the end signified that he would continue pushing the button.

Not mentioned so far is that this episode went out of its way to at least mention some of the other background survivors not in the main cast ("Frogurt", etc.). Perhaps the writers are planning to bring some of them to the fore?

Not mentioned so far is that this episode went out of its way to at least mention some of the other background survivors not in the main cast ("Frogurt", etc.). Perhaps the writers are planning to bring some of them to the fore?

It showed a lot of them also, and in much greater closeup than before.

When Locke sat down again he appeared to be working on the map again. I think they are setting up a situation where Locke is going to need to see the map again and the only way to do that is to let the clock wind down. Given that it has wound down at least twice and no scary end of the world type stuff has happened, it would be rather tempting to let it wind down to see if the map is revealed again. Even if Henry did enter the numbers, you can apparently enter the numbers after the clock has wound down with no immediate repercussions.

Not mentioned so far is that this episode went out of its way to at least mention some of the other background survivors not in the main cast ("Frogurt", etc.). Perhaps the writers are planning to bring some of them to the fore?

I noticed that too. Can't help but wonder if they have a stable of "redshirts" that they use for castaway-filler on a regular basis. But considering this is a multi-year show, you'd think they'd have to have all those folks on a "retainer" of some kind just to show up and stand around in the background when they're needed. And considering the fanatical observational power of the fanbase, they'd better use the same people. This episode gave us the best look we've ever had of them.

Wonder how much they're paid? Certainly not the 80 large that the regulars make on a weekly basis, but it would have to be something more than just "extra scale" to guarantee those folks stay around and keep themselves available for any episodes that need a bunch of non-speaking redshirts around in the background. This show could conceivably go on for 5 years or more....

Although we have no idea if letting the clock expire will trigger the blast doors. The doors came down prior to the clock running down last time - apparently completely independent of the clock.

I can see why Rose and maybe Locke would not want to be rescued, but why are the rest so indifferant to anything that might increase their chance of being rescued? As Bernard said, at least one plane flys over the island periodically and there is always the chance that a satellite will take a photo of the island. Also the people connected with the Dharma Project (or at least the head) and the pilots of the plane that dropped the food know the location of the island. I assume they think it is still the participants of the Dharma Project, so does that mean someone will return for them at some point? (I may be forgetting something from an earliler episode that answers my question.)

I think most of them are starting to realize that people have been stranded on this island MUCH longer than they have...French Chick is going on 16 years now?

Hurley said it best....'dude, we built a raft.....but it got blown up'. Every attempt they've made to leave/get rescued has been thwarted. They are coming to grips with the fact that they aren't going to be found because Dharma/Others don't want them to be.

They are going to have to deal with the Others first, then see about getting off the island.

Whatever happened to Jack's 'Army'?

I was wondering why the corporate sponsor of a scientific expedition, even one on such a massive scale, would go through the trouble of packaging all manner of food types to feed to the island inhabitants. Why not parachute drop Skippy peanut butter or Lays potato chips?

Normally, real world product manufacturers would pay the network for the product exposure so I don't think it is because the network couldn't use name brands on the show. At least I hope that's not the reason. (Do you remember the movie "Repo Man" where every product was purposely generic. Open the fridge and see cans labelled "Beer" and "Soda.")

Back to the reason why Dharma became Proctor & Gamble. Does the food contain some special additive? It would take a huge outfit to be able to make all of these products. Does that mean Dharma is linked with some huge corporation or a government?

When Locke sat down again he appeared to be working on the map again. I think they are setting up a situation where Locke is going to need to see the map again and the only way to do that is to let the clock wind down. Given that it has wound down at least twice and no scary end of the world type stuff has happened, it would be rather tempting to let it wind down to see if the map is revealed again. Even if Henry did enter the numbers, you can apparently enter the numbers after the clock has wound down with no immediate repercussions.


I agree he would like to get another look at the map, but the door came down because of the lookdown, not the timer. Although, the blacklights came on when the time ran out.

When Locke sat down again he appeared to be working on the map again. I think they are setting up a situation where Locke is going to need to see the map again and the only way to do that is to let the clock wind down. Given that it has wound down at least twice and no scary end of the world type stuff has happened, it would be rather tempting to let it wind down to see if the map is revealed again. Even if Henry did enter the numbers, you can apparently enter the numbers after the clock has wound down with no immediate repercussions.

The blast doors didn't come down the first time the clock wound down to zero, but there was still one hieroglyphic tab to go when the button finally got pushed. We don't know if all the hieroglyphics flipped over when Faux-Henry was alone in the computer room (or if he even went there), and whether that triggers the blast doors to come down. Maybe they only come down when there's a Dharma resupply drop...?

Whatever happened to Jack's 'Army'?

They already have Charlie and Eko - if they add Alpha, Bravo and Delta, they'll be well on their way. :)

I didn't think the blast doors had anything to do with the clock running down, unless it was a delayed reaction from the first time it ran down. Actually the blast doors came UP when the clock ran down the second time. Is that a coincidence or would Locke still be stuck under the doors if the numbers were entered in time?

It seems to me that if you take the time that elapsed from the second time... from the point you can here the mechanical noises to the point the lights came back on and the blast doors lifted... it was longer than the time that elapsed when Locke entered the numbers late the first time... so I would think the final hieroglyph would have been revealed.

Other possibilities:


Alpha
Bravo
Charlie - Charlie
Delta
Echo - Eko
Foxtrot - Kate
Golf
Hotel
India - Sayid
Juliet
Kilo - Hurley
Lima
Mike - Michael
November
Oscar
Papa
Quebec - Rousseau
Romeo - Sawyer
Sierra
Tango
Uniform
Victor
Whiskey
X-ray - Jack
Yankee
Zulu

It would take a huge outfit to be able to make all of these products. Does that mean Dharma is linked with some huge corporation or a government?

Never heard of Acme brand peas, ShopRite brand soda, etc.?

Maybe they only come down when there's a Dharma resupply drop...?

Now that's an interesting theory, and it makes sense. If they wanted to make sure that the inhabitants of the hatch didn't see the plane dropping off the supplies then why not lock them down during the drop? Why didn't anyone else on the island see the plane that dropped the supplies, though?

Wonder why Sayid declined Jack's offer? You'd think he'd be interested.

Sayid blames The Others for Shannon's death. He wants to torture and kill Henry, not trade him and let him live.

Wonder how much they're paid? Certainly not the 80 large that the regulars make on a weekly basis, but it would have to be something more than just "extra scale" to guarantee those folks stay around and keep themselves available for any episodes that need a bunch of non-speaking redshirts around in the background. This show could conceivably go on for 5 years or more....

Room, board and out-of-pocket expenses would keep me around in Hawaii for 5 years. :)

Other possibilities:


Alpha
Bravo
Charlie - Charlie
Delta
Echo - Eko
Foxtrot - Kate
Golf
Hotel
India - Sayid
Juliet
Kilo - Hurley
Lima
Mike - Michael
November
Oscar
Papa
Quebec - Rousseau
Romeo - Sawyer
Sierra
Tango
Uniform
Victor
Whiskey
X-ray - Jack
Yankee
Zulu


Whiskey could of course be either Ana Lucia or Libby. Sun could be Hotel while Jin could be Papa. Whose idea was it to play golf in the one episode?

I agree he would like to get another look at the map, but the door came down because of the lookdown, not the timer. Although, the blacklights came on when the time ran out.

Makes me think: What kind of a marker or crayon do you need to make impressions that are visible under black light? If the map was drawn and added to over many years, as must be the case, where are these supplies and how did the drawers know where to find them? Also, the door has to be able to be lowered for considerable lengths of time in order for the map makers to do their thing.

Was it really a black light kind of creation or was it a projection? Wouldn't the writing be somewhat visible in normal light and why wouldn't Locke have noticed it before the lighting changed?

In other words he was the only one owning the task, and he didn't sell it well to everyone else.

He did do a terrible job of selling it, but people on crashed on an island should be doing anything they can to get off. Pushing the idea of a huge sign should be as easy as selling crack to a crackhead - it sells itself.

Right now the only guy I know that really wants to get off of the island is Jin and I'm not even sure about him. Michael really wanted to as well but who knows what he thinks now.

I can think of two possible reasons...

(1) The island or the dropped food causes some sort of feeling of contentment.

(2) Everyone has a situation like Rose and Locke - their life off the island would suck worse. It seems like the island has given most of the characters 'miracles' that they fear they would lose if they left...Sun's pregnancy, Locke's use of his legs, Rose's remission, Hurley has a girlfriend, etc.

I'm surprised Sawyer never found a digital camera amongst the passenger gear. It wouldn't be a stretch to find rechargeable batteries either. Enough time has passed that they would have found and used it if the writers wanted one in the story, but it would've been realistic, moreso than a pregnancy test at least. Hurley had a CD player for a while. Anyway, it'd've been great to capture the map in a photo, even with the small LCD screen.

Kate - freedom
Hurley - not only a girlfriend, but someone's dropping pallets of food from the sky.

Whatever happened to Jack's 'Army'?

Jack's Army was disarmed by Sawyer and Charlie, with Locke and Kate playing the roles of useful idiots.

Why didn't anyone else on the island see the plane that dropped the supplies, though?

Or, more relevantly, hear it?

He did do a terrible job of selling it, but people on crashed on an island should be doing anything they can to get off. Pushing the idea of a huge sign should be as easy as selling crack to a crackhead - it sells itself.

Yeah, that bothered us too.... you'd think at least the redshirts would be all over that idea, eager as all get-out to help, and we also wondered why nobody thought of doing something like that before? The first few episodes last year had a signal fire being built (didn't they?), but that didn't last long.

Jack's Army was disarmed by Sawyer and Charlie, with Locke and Kate playing the roles of useful idiots.

While the practicality of your observation is quite true, we were never shown Jack selling his army training to the castaways. A couple people out of the Loop mentioned it a couple episodes later, but it was more than a couple later when the guns were taken. Jack didn't drop the army idea because he lost the guns. Either it was as popular as constructing Bernard's SOS, or Jack wasn't ready to do it yet. Or perhaps Ana Lucia talked it down when he asked her.

Regardless, the preview implies that Jack is energized by Michael's comment on The Others' readiness, and goes to Sawyer for the guns. Does Charlie know their whereabouts too?

I think some of the doubt as to the length and breadth of the story arc have been disspelled by this episode. I had been puzzled as to Rose's seeming overboard contentment with everything in her new surroundings. She has known as long as Locke has been able to walk (day 1) that she was cured. I think that part of the storyline was set very early in Season 1 and the writers waited until the opportune moment to bring it forward.

I really have enjoyed the ways the writers have let everything unfold in its due time. As much as the backstories are integral to the LOST concept, I think the writing craft we are witnessing is equal to a great novel.

BTW, I think Hurley's line was, "Loop, Dude!" I thought of that, too, when Kate and Jack had their "information sharing" discussion.

man, can't believe we have to wait til May do get the next new episode.

Yeah, that bothered us too.... you'd think at least the redshirts would be all over that idea, eager as all get-out to help, and we also wondered why nobody thought of doing something like that before? The first few episodes last year had a signal fire being built (didn't they?), but that didn't last long.

A stone SOS sign should be an easy sell as you just build it once and then you're done - it's like a Ronco applicance, set it and forget it.

The part that bothered me was how ludicrus they thought the idea of a plane flying overhead and seeing a sign was. I can see the people being a little dismissive but they were almost hostile to the idea.

And why would they need to ask Jack about putting up a sign? It's almost as if their mental capacities have regressed to that of an 8 year old.

Anybody have any ideas about the "Diary" on the ABC website???

Season One http://www.blackrock.nl/content/view/5/57/
Season Two http://www.blackrock.nl/content/view/41/56/

Page 7 Season Two: "I've just learned my brother is being held in the hatch as a suspected 'Other' ".

Is the person writing the Season One Diary the same as the person writing the Season Two Diary?

All I can deduce is in Season One it's a woman in the company of a guy named Larry.

Totally Confused....

man, can't believe we have to wait til May do get the next new episode.

Yeah, what is so wrong with a more regular schedule? It is almost like they are rolling dice to determine when they will air.

Ericglo

man, can't believe we have to wait til May do get the next new episode.
They went out with a very weak episode by Lost standards as well. I'm sure that Michael being found was supposed to be somewhat of a compelling tease, but his character is one of the least popular and I don't think that many fans really even cared that he was gone.

I've seen more posts wondering about what happened to Desmond that I have about Michael. I think I've seen more posts about the return of Walt's dog as well. I wonder what the over/under will be on how long it takes him to sa "you don't understand - they took my boy!"

A stone SOS sign should be an easy sell as you just build it once and then you're done - it's like a Ronco applicance, set it and forget it.

The part that bothered me was how ludicrus they thought the idea of a plane flying overhead and seeing a sign was. I can see the people being a little dismissive but they were almost hostile to the idea.

And why would they need to ask Jack about putting up a sign? It's almost as if their mental capacities have regressed to that of an 8 year old.

Only Rose suggested waiting to ask Jack, but not because she thought they should ask Jack. She was trying to stall or stop Bernard because she didn't want to be rescued. If you go almost two months without seeing a plane, it isn't ludicrous to figure your island's off the map and never seen. Their signal fire didn't work either. The food drop should've tipped the scales though.

They went out with a very weak episode by Lost standards as well. I'm sure that Michael being found was supposed to be somewhat of a compelling tease, but his character is one of the least popular and I don't think that many fans really even cared that he was gone.

I've seen more posts wondering about what happened to Desmond that I have about Michael. I wonder what the over/under will be on how long it takes him to sa "you don't understand - they took my boy!"

He said, "I'm gonna get Walt!" or something to that effect, in the preview.

Or, more relevantly, hear it?



Yeah, that bothered us too.... you'd think at least the redshirts would be all over that idea, eager as all get-out to help, and we also wondered why nobody thought of doing something like that before? The first few episodes last year had a signal fire being built (didn't they?), but that didn't last long.

I don't think the idea of building the sign was that bad. I think that they didn't like the idea of all of them hiking the mile and a half with heavy rocks, while Bernard drew pictures in the sand.

As I recall, the diary from S1 wasn't from the writers, but rather from someone in the ad department or website team. They didn't have inside knowledge and were in the dark as the viewers (or maybe even the writers?) about what was going to happen next week. I wouldn't take it too seriously for advancing the plot or even take it as cannon.

Yeah, what is so wrong with a more regular schedule? It is almost like they are rolling dice to determine when they will air.

Ericglo

It's called "May is sweeps month".... All the shows finish up in May to get their biggest ratings and up their ability to charge for advertising.

Only for local station programming.

man, can't believe we have to wait til May do get the next new episode.
Yeah, that's like... next month.

I heard that the next season doesn't start until September. Can you believe that? What are these people thinking? :rolleyes:

I think some of the doubt as to the length and breadth of the story arc have been disspelled by this episode. I had been puzzled as to Rose's seeming overboard contentment with everything in her new surroundings. She has known as long as Locke has been able to walk (day 1) that she was cured. I think that part of the storyline was set very early in Season 1 and the writers waited until the opportune moment to bring it forward.

I really have enjoyed the ways the writers have let everything unfold in its due time. As much as the backstories are integral to the LOST concept, I think the writing craft we are witnessing is equal to a great novel.

My thoughts exactly. It's cracked me up for some time now how many people on this board fail to understand that backstories and characterization *are* LOST...They are a very major part of the show. Integral. Yet, we get nothing but gripes "more friggin' backstories! Boo, hoo! When are we going to see the Others again? When will this whole thing be solved?"

Repeatedly throughout the series, seemingly irrelevant or downright odd occurances become important or at least explained later. Rose is a perfect example. Many are quick to dismiss last night's ep. as boring, slow, bad...whatever. But in reality, we learned quite a bit...and in a very well executed and planned way.

With each passing episode, I truly believe many people would be better off watching Law & Order, where everything is wrapped up and resolved by the end of each episide...

I was wondering why the corporate sponsor of a scientific expedition, even one on such a massive scale, would go through the trouble of packaging all manner of food types to feed to the island inhabitants. Why not parachute drop Skippy peanut butter or Lays potato chips?Because it's specially prepared food. It's my theory that this is the origin of the disease Rousseau talked about. It explains why they've been on the island for so long without anyone catching it. They just started eating the food from the hatch. But now weird things are beginning to happen to them.

Xesdeeni

Wonder why Sayid declined Jack's offer? You'd think he'd be interested.

He was busy filming The Ten Commandments.

Because it's specially prepared food. It's my theory that this is the origin of the disease Rousseau talked about. It explains why they've been on the island for so long without anyone catching it. They just started eating the food from the hatch. But now weird things are beginning to happen to them.

Xesdeeni

Now, that's an interesting theory! Who's eaten the most Dharma food? Hurley, of course, and at the beginning of last week's episode, he tells Libby he's sick and starts hallucinating. Locke's been eating a lot of Dharma Flakes in the hatch and he's sure been acting weird this season relative to last. Hmmmm......

Now, that's an interesting theory! Who's eaten the most Dharma food? Hurley, of course, and at the beginning of last week's episode, he tells Libby he's sick and starts hallucinating. Locke's been eating a lot of Dharma Flakes in the hatch and he's sure been acting weird this season relative to last. Hmmmm......

Desmond ate the food. And he took injections. Would you knowingly eat tainted food because you had an injection on-hand? Claire was injected with the same medicine, and did that correspond to eating Swan food? Rousseau's crew died, but there was no indication they were eating Dharma food.

Because it's specially prepared food. It's my theory that this is the origin of the disease Rousseau talked about. It explains why they've been on the island for so long without anyone catching it. They just started eating the food from the hatch. But now weird things are beginning to happen to them.

Xesdeeni
The real question is then...did Rousseau's people eat Dharma brand food? And do The Others eat it? Why would there be a vaccine in the same place as the food (until Desmond took it that is)? Desmond was pretty weird too even though he was taking the vaccine. Then again, the cure is supposedly worse than the disease.

Besides, how could Dharmalars be bad for you? ;)

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