Desmond ate the food. And he took injections. Would you knowingly eat tainted food because you had an injection on-hand?

Perhaps Desmond was unaware the food was tainted. Maybe he was taking the medicine for a different reason (or so he was told).

Claire was injected with the same medicine, and did that correspond to eating Swan food?

Perhaps the medicine has no effect if one is not eating Darmafood.

Rousseau's crew died, but there was no indication they were eating Dharma food.

And no indication they weren't either. ;)

He did do a terrible job of selling it, but people on crashed on an island should be doing anything they can to get off. Pushing the idea of a huge sign should be as easy as selling crack to a crackhead - it sells itself...


Rose gave the reason no one was helping build the sign. She said Benard was giving them false hope. It all comes down to everyones faith and it seems very few believe they will be rescued. One of the best lines last night was when Benard told Eko he needed help to save everyone and Eko said people are saved in different ways.

I thought last nights episode was one of the best. From it I gathered the show is mostly about Life, Love, Hope and Faith. (and of course there's the evil scientist/others with their crazy experiments)... I thought it was really funny when they were showing everyone all happy with their partners and then they showed Sawyer with the dog. :p

I though the interaction between Rose and Benard was some of the best TV ever. I'm not ashamed to say I even got a little choked up. I thought it was cool to see how Benard felt like he always had to DO something to get the results he wanted instead of trusting in a higher power to take care of things. How often do we think we are in control of things when we're not?

I think the best thing about this show is it covers so much and yet there is still so much mystery... kind of like real life.

Rose gave the reason no one was helping build the sign. She said Benard was giving them false hope. It all comes down to everyones faith and it seems very few believe they will be rescued. One of the best lines last night was when Benard told Eko he needed help to save everyone and Eko said people are saved in different ways.

I thought last nights episode was one of the best. From it I gathered the show is mostly about Life, Love, Hope and Faith. (and of course there's the evil scientist/others with their crazy experiments)... I thought it was really funny when they were showing everyone all happy with their partners and then they showed Sawyer with the dog. :p

I though the interaction between Rose and Benard was some of the best TV ever. I'm not ashamed to say I even got a little choked up. I thought it was cool to see how Benard felt like he always had to DO something to get the results he wanted instead of trusting in a higher power to take care of things. How often do we think we are in control of things when we're not?

I think the best thing about this show is it covers so much and yet there is still so much mystery... kind of like real life.

Who are you, and what did you do with that accusation-slinging, beer-guzzling hot-head who used to write on this list? ;)

...Yet, we get nothing but gripes "more friggin' backstories! Boo, hoo! When are we going to see the Others again? When will this whole thing be solved?"

Do you think people would complain if they did a back story on one of the others? :D

Do you think people would complain if they did a back story on one of the others? :D

I think it is a reasonable expectation that we'll get a summary of the more relevant Dharma events. I don't know if a Dharmite might have a backstory, but Dharma itself should.

Rose gave the reason no one was helping build the sign. She said Benard was giving them false hope. It all comes down to everyones faith and it seems very few believe they will be rescued. One of the best lines last night was when Benard told Eko he needed help to save everyone and Eko said people are saved in different ways.

I thought last nights episode was one of the best. From it I gathered the show is mostly about Life, Love, Hope and Faith. (and of course there's the evil scientist/others with their crazy experiments)... I thought it was really funny when they were showing everyone all happy with their partners and then they showed Sawyer with the dog. :p

I though the interaction between Rose and Benard was some of the best TV ever. I'm not ashamed to say I even got a little choked up. I thought it was cool to see how Benard felt like he always had to DO something to get the results he wanted instead of trusting in a higher power to take care of things. How often do we think we are in control of things when we're not?

I think the best thing about this show is it covers so much and yet there is still so much mystery... kind of like real life.

Wow, your post was so sweet that IT got me a little choked up. :rolleyes:

My thoughts exactly. It's cracked me up for some time now how many people on this board fail to understand that backstories and characterization *are* LOST...They are a very major part of the show. Integral. Yet, we get nothing but gripes "more friggin' backstories! Boo, hoo! When are we going to see the Others again? When will this whole thing be solved?"

Repeatedly throughout the series, seemingly irrelevant or downright odd occurances become important or at least explained later. Rose is a perfect example. Many are quick to dismiss last night's ep. as boring, slow, bad...whatever. But in reality, we learned quite a bit...and in a very well executed and planned way.

With each passing episode, I truly believe many people would be better off watching Law & Order, where everything is wrapped up and resolved by the end of each episide...
Indeed. If all they did was show the Others, this thing would be solved in 1 season. Besides, we've been seeing an Other each episode for a while now. We've seen how they operate. I love the backstories. They show who they are and why they got there. I want to see more backstories, especially Libby's. I also want to see why Libby, Eko, and AL were in Australia (have we not seen why anyone else was in Australia now?).

Is it believable that Michael could have been hidden in the jungle this whole time, undetected by The Others, while spying on them? I know in island time it has only been 2-3 weeks. I was trying to remember if Jack asked Zeek about Michael, or only about Walt. It wasn't long before their meeting that we heard the gunfight after Michael separated from the search party. He was wack when he popped out of the woods last night, but in the preview he seems like himself, and lucid.

What I took away from this episode most of all (and I know it is being discussed) is that the Losties are becoming more attached to the island all the time. Bernard said they would never leave. I assume that means even if a rescue ship were to come by. I think this is exactly what Dharma wants. They will eventually let the Losties know what is going on, but they weren't going to do that until people WANT to stay there. I think they will get to a point where nobody would leave if a rescue ship came for them all. This is what Dharma wants. If the Losties had known of the technology and capabilities of the Others from the beginning, they would have been thinking that it would help them get off the island. By the time the Losties realize that the Others/Dharma can get them off the island, they won't care anymore. That might be a good explanation of why the Others/Dharma people have dressed up like they have and been hidden. The Others/Dharma need the Losties on the island and will eventually need their cooperation in whatever project/experiment they are up to.

What I took away from this episode most of all (and I know it is being discussed) is that the Losties are becoming more attached to the island all the time. Bernard said they would never leave. I assume that means even if a rescue ship were to come by. I think this is exactly what Dharma wants. They will eventually let the Losties know what is going on, but they weren't going to do that until people WANT to stay there. I think they will get to a point where nobody would leave if a rescue ship came for them all. This is what Dharma wants. If the Losties had known of the technology and capabilities of the Others from the beginning, they would have been thinking that it would help them get off the island. By the time the Losties realize that the Others/Dharma can get them off the island, they won't care anymore. That might be a good explanation of why the Others/Dharma people have dressed up like they have and been hidden. The Others/Dharma need the Losties on the island and will eventually need their cooperation in whatever project/experiment they are up to.
Indeed, Locke has to stay because of his legs and to figure out the mystery. Rose and Bernard have to stay so Rose stays healed. Everyone else seems to want to stay because they've found a love interest.

Rdwalt, I agree with your post. When that escene, I checked my wife to see if she was crying :P

So, we have had at least 3 miracles in the island:
- Locke
- Sun getting pregnant by Jin.
- Rose getting cured.

do you think there could be any more miracles?

Also, Jack is kind of coming back as a leader. He started season 1 as a leader and then he went in a down time. The last episodes have been showing him back. Yesterday we learned that he's a good shooter, at least better than Kate who we thought was good with firearms.

Everyone else seems to want to stay because they've found a love interest.
I don't think Sayid is in that category any more. I think he just wants to bag some Others.

I like this theory that the island/Others/Dharma is giving everyone a reason to stay. I hope I can rewatch all of the episodes by May to assess all the latest theories. :)

I don't think Sayid is in that category any more. I think he just wants to bag some Others.

I like this theory that the island/Others/Dharma is giving everyone a reason to stay. I hope I can rewatch all of the episodes by May to assess all the latest theories. :)
Indeed, the Others were the cause of his love interest's death, so he wants revenge. Got to wonder what he's up to after he tried to kill Henry and what he'll do if he gets his revenge.

Also, is this the same actor? If it is, whether it's Zeke or not in the pilot is another question.
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Also, is this the same actor? If it is, whether it's Zeke or not in the pilot is another question.
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Yipes! It sure looks like the same dude.

Because it's specially prepared food. It's my theory that this is the origin of the disease Rousseau talked about. It explains why they've been on the island for so long without anyone catching it. They just started eating the food from the hatch. But now weird things are beginning to happen to them.

XesdeeniIt seems that some weird things have been happening to them since the beginning really. In Hurley's case, I just think that the appearance of the massive "new batch" of food simply triggered his existing food related "sickness" as he called it, causing him to relapse and begin seeing his food buddy Dave again. I really think people are wanting to make too much of last week's ep beyond the simple explanation.

Who are you, and what did you do with that accusation-slinging, beer-guzzling hot-head who used to write on this list?Maybe there was a little DHARMA gift basket of food delivered to his front porch and he's been chowing down :). First, one guy gets emails from "ABC" looking for info from him on his feelings about the show, and now this. They've begun the infiltration everywhere I tell ya! :eek:


ron

Maybe there was a little DHARMA gift basket of food delivered to his front porch and he's been chowing down :). First, one guy gets emails from "ABC" looking for info from him on his feelings about the show, and now this. They've begun the infiltration everywhere I tell ya! :eek:


ron

I think CPanther mod-deleted my completely friendly jibe at my beer buddy. Your post is the only evidence it existed. Sheesh, I can't even tease!

One thing I thought of, the Others told Jack and company at the previous meeting that Michael wouldn't find them unless they wanted him to. I don't know that we've yet seen anyone actually seek out and find the others. The Others have always come calling and then disappeared.

It will be interesting to see if what Michael saw/found out about the Others was realistic or just what he was allowed/intended to see. With Walt's abilities, though, he could have helped Michael above and beyond his normal capacities.

One thing I thought of, the Others told Jack and company at the previous meeting that Michael wouldn't find them unless they wanted him to. I don't know that we've yet seen anyone actually seek out and find the others. The Others have always come calling and then disappeared.

It will be interesting to see if what Michael saw/found out about the Others was realistic or just what he was allowed/intended to see. With Walt's abilities, though, he could have helped Michael above and beyond his normal capacities.

Can you quote the actual dialogue of what they said about Michael finding them?

Rdwalt, I agree with your post. When that escene, I checked my wife to see if she was crying :P

So, we have had at least 3 miracles in the island:
- Locke
- Sun getting pregnant by Jin.
- Rose getting cured.

do you think there could be any more miracles?


Hurley getting a girl like Libby? :p


I think CPanther mod-deleted my completely friendly jibe at my beer buddy. Your post is the only evidence it existed. Sheesh, I can't even tease!
You're jibe is still there and still very funny ;) :p


Wow, your post was so sweet that IT got me a little choked up. :rolleyes:


And that was even funnier!

I think the whole Kate-Jack net scene was great, if not a little unbelievable. I haven't fired a gun in a long, long time, but wouldn't it be quite difficult to shoot a rope while swinging in the air? :confused:

Have we ever discovered why Jack is such a good shot?

Why would Jack even want to shoot the rope when his body is pressing against Kate's. ;)

Kate: I'm sorry I kissed you.
Jack: I'm not. :D

I think the whole Kate-Jack net scene was great, if not a little unbelievable. I haven't fired a gun in a long, long time, but wouldn't it be quite difficult to shoot a rope while swinging in the air? :confused:

Have we ever discovered why Jack is such a good shot?

Why would Jack even want to shoot the rope when his body is pressing against Kate's. ;)

Kate: I'm sorry I kissed you.
Jack: I'm not. :D
Exactly :D

I was just waiting for them to kiss in that net since their lips passed by each other's quite a few times.

I think CPanther mod-deleted my completely friendly jibe at my beer buddy. Your post is the only evidence it existed. Sheesh, I can't even tease!

I think DHARMA has made you paranoid.

I think DHARMA has made you paranoid.

Probably something in his food. :D

Is it believable that Michael could have been hidden in the jungle this whole time, undetected by The Others, while spying on them? I know in island time it has only been 2-3 weeks. I was trying to remember if Jack asked Zeek about Michael, or only about Walt. It wasn't long before their meeting that we heard the gunfight after Michael separated from the search party. He was wack when he popped out of the woods last night, but in the preview he seems like himself, and lucid.Since you asked txmatt about this a couple of post back and I was going to mention it before, Jack did talk to Mr Friendly about Michael specifically. And Mr. Friendly did say something very much like "don't worry about Michael. He won't find us unless we want him to". It looked to me like Michael was bound and hooded when he stumbled back into the clearing in last night's ep, so I guess they decided to "let him" find them afterall. Then they probably got tired of listening to him asking where his son was, realized it was a mistake, and decided to dump him back on the Losties :D


ron

Yeah, that's like... next month.

I heard that the next season doesn't start until September. Can you believe that? What are these people thinking? :rolleyes:

2007 starts on January 1. That's NEXT year. :D

It's called "May is sweeps month".... All the shows finish up in May to get their biggest ratings and up their ability to charge for advertising.


I knew someone would say that. It doesn't explain irregular scheduling though. They only had two new episodes during February. It feels like it is two on and three off.



I think CPanther mod-deleted my completely friendly jibe at my beer buddy. Your post is the only evidence it existed. Sheesh, I can't even tease!

I thought you were the mod of this thread.:)

Ericglo

I think DHARMA has made you paranoid.

What?! Where?! You've SEEN them?

I apologize. My blindness is not your problem.

I knew someone would say that. It doesn't explain irregular scheduling though. They only had two new episodes during February. It feels like it is two on and three off.


22 episodes in a 35 week regular season. Figure 4 or 5 new ones to start the season off in Sept/Oct, then 4 new ones for November sweeps, ditto February (short month so maybe not 4) and May. That only leaves about 6 new eps to spread out among the remaining 20 weeks or so. The end result? Lots and lots of repeats; it's unavoidable with this scheduling model. Maybe next year they'll go to 7, 7, and 8 as the producers have suggested.

I was wondering why the corporate sponsor of a scientific expedition, even one on such a massive scale, would go through the trouble of packaging all manner of food types to feed to the island inhabitants. Why not parachute drop Skippy peanut butter or Lays potato chips?

Normally, real world product manufacturers would pay the network for the product exposure so I don't think it is because the network couldn't use name brands on the show. At least I hope that's not the reason.

They have to get what's called "clearance" to use any trademarked stuff on the show. (At least they think they do... legally, I'm not sure that's actually correct.) So unless there's a product placement deal in place, most TV shows or movies don't want the hassle of having to obtain clearance and just use generics or make up names.

As far as the DHARMA-branded food goes...

The military used to use mostly generic-looking food in their MRE's and other field rations. As time went on they realized that there were already off-the-shelf items that were just as durable as the old "track pads" (chocolate covered brownie) and other items included in the rations, and started using them. Now there are m&ms, mars bars, skittles, jolly ranchers, taster’s choice, etc. in MREs. A secondary effect that these items has it they are more "comforting" than their generic-branded counterparts and reminicant of home.

So, by DHARMA using all generic stuff, the losties are further disassociated from home and will soon associated DHARMA as "comforting" further going with the theme that DHARMA's goal is to make the losties consider the island "home."

I think the whole Kate-Jack net scene was great, if not a little unbelievable. I haven't fired a gun in a long, long time, but wouldn't it be quite difficult to shoot a rope while swinging in the air? :confused:

Have we ever discovered why Jack is such a good shot?

Why would Jack even want to shoot the rope when his body is pressing against Kate's. ;)

Kate: I'm sorry I kissed you.
Jack: I'm not. :D

Well, I am one of those country bumpkins that is always yelling yeehaa and firing up in the air. So I can definately say with a handgun like that (and the fact that he was swinging side-to-side in the net), it was definately a lucky shot for most anyone. Anything no wider than a quarter more than 20ft away is not an easy shot with a handgun that size.

They have to get what's called "clearance" to use any trademarked stuff on the show. (At least they think they do... legally, I'm not sure that's actually correct.) So unless there's a product placement deal in place, most TV shows or movies don't want the hassle of having to obtain clearance and just use generics or make up names.
Plus look at how much we're questioning even the food. If they went with Lay's and Skippy, we wouldn't be questioning it so much. But just slapping a Dharma label on it adds a nice mystery to the series.

....still doesn't prove the island has healing powers....has Issac ever been on the show before? I was thinking they'd tie in Hurley's outback adventure with Rose's....dunno, seemed a little simplistic for a Lost plotOh, but I think it does. The island's healing power is something that appearently only Locke and Rose were aware of. Now Bernard is in on it.....and Jin & Sun, as Q brilliantly pointed out. Question is; why is there no improvement in Hurleys' health? It appeared that he was getting worse rather than better. Maybe if he swears-off the Dharma food.....

Perhaps Desmond was unaware the food was tainted. Maybe he was taking the medicine for a different reason (or so he was told).



Perhaps the medicine has no effect if one is not eating Darmafood.



And no indication they weren't either. ;)

If Dharma had a reason to supply forebears to the Losties with medicine (and food and a new washer/dryer) and now they drop a new food supply to them, why shouldn't there also be a medication supply with it? And since Desmond scooped up only a part of the supply in the hatch, why isn't Jack trying to figure out what it is/does?

I thought you were the mod of this thread.:)

Ericglo

Yikes! :eek:

Indeed, the Others were the cause of his love interest's death, so he wants revenge. Got to wonder what he's up to after he tried to kill Henry and what he'll do if he gets his revenge.

Also, is this the same actor? If it is, whether it's Zeke or not in the pilot is another question.
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If Mr. Friendly/Zeke was on the beach with the losties after the crash, isn't there a possibility he was on the plane too. That could help explain how or why the plane broke apart. Hurley did a manifest check and only found one person not present - Ethan.

Why would Jack even want to shoot the rope when his body is pressing against Kate's. ;)
Boy, people miss a lot of the symbolism on this show! ;)

If Dharma had a reason to supply forebears to the Losties with medicine (and food and a new washer/dryer) and now they drop a new food supply to them, why shouldn't there also be a medication supply with it?

Good question.

And since Desmond scooped up only a part of the supply in the hatch, why isn't Jack trying to figure out what it is/does?

Another good question. I've wondered about that myself; we haven't heard a word about that medicine in the Hatch since Desmond took a powder.

It will be interesting to see if what Michael saw/found out about the Others was realistic or just what he was allowed/intended to see.
Let's hope that the writers don't employ the Others "amnesia" plot device like they did with Charlie and Claire (for several episodes):

"What? Where am I? How long have I been gone? I don't remember a thing. Walt? Walt! WALT! Where's my boy? I need fo find my boy! WAAAAAAALT!"

... and he's off into the jungle again.

If Dharma had a reason to supply forebears to the Losties with medicine (and food and a new washer/dryer) and now they drop a new food supply to them, why shouldn't there also be a medication supply with it?
I'm sure that's the first stuff Sawyer grabbed since he owns the only pharmacy on the island right now. They didn't show us what he took but we know he got a lotta stuff.

Question is; why is there no improvement in Hurleys' health? It appeared that he was getting worse rather than better. Maybe if he swears-off the Dharma food.....

Psychological vs. physical health.

What'd really be cool is if, some time later, Shannon, Scott, and Kate's agent rise from the grave, regenerated like Spock on the Genesis planet. Now THAT'S the healing power of magnetism!

Also, is this the same actor? If it is, whether it's Zeke or not in the pilot is another question.
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Looks like exactly the same guy to me, although he was probably just an extra for the crash scene and the actor got used later as Mr Friendly. I doubt there's any link as far as the story goes.

...And since Desmond scooped up only a part of the supply in the hatch, why isn't Jack trying to figure out what it is/does?

Has it been established that Desmond left some of the medication behind? I didn't think so, I thought he took all of it.

If not, even a surgeon can't identify medicine by look or taste and IIRC it only had Dharma info on it.


Anyone else wondering if the "Coming on Lost" previews were actually snippets that outline the remainder of the season and not just the next episode?

If not, even a surgeon can't identify medicine by look or taste and IIRC it only had Dharma info on it.


Anyone else wondering if the "Coming on Lost" previews were actually snippets that outline the remainder of the season and not just the next episode?
That's the impression I got. Also, what did "Henry" say to Ana Lucia, "You are a killer" or " You are the killer", watched it twice and couldn't get it.

"You aren't a killer" just before grabbing her gun - IIRC.

One idea I got while I was watching the show yesterday was that Rose was a Dharma plant to collect "Bernard-The 56 year old bachelor" for the island experiments. She became chummy with Bernard, and when he tried to propose to her and take the matters further, she tried to ward him off with a "lie" that she was cancer patient in remission who did not have long to live for. But of course, the "goody two shoes" Bernard has unflinching love for Rose. So, she tags along, and when Bernie takes her to the Outback to see the faith healer Isaac, she "hesitates" fearing that Isaac might spill the beans. Upon Bernard's insistence, she goes to see Isaac, who rightfully finds that he could not "cure her" because she had nothing to be cured of. She again "lies" to Bernard that she was healed, just to please him.

Now, back on the island, in season 1, she was quiet confident that her husband was safe (even though we did not know at that time that the tailies had survived). May be because she was a Dharma-ite, she knew that the "chosen few" passengers would not die from the staged accident. Last night, when they were storing the Dharma supplied foods, she wasn't surprised because she knew where the supplies came from. When Bernard was hell bent on putting up a sign so that the stranded folks could be rescued from the island, she vehemently opposes the idea to discourage folks by questioning her own husband's idea.

She manipulated Locke's mind to take away his worries about the goings on in the hatch, thereby sending him back to the hatch with a renewed sense of purpose.

Having said all that, I am one of those people who would hate to see that there was no mystery on the island except that everything was a conspiracy hatched by those crazy scientists to do whacky mind-bending experiments, and would love to see my hypothesis never come true.

I would love to see a "nanobots gone wild" plot rather than "everything happening is inside the characters' heads" cop-out. :o

Psychological vs. physical health.So you understand the inner working of the island's power? Please continue....

I am surprised that no one has mentioned the "Black Rock" that is behind Jack when he gets to the field and says "We are here". It looked like a giant version of the lava rocks that Bernard was carrying. My wife and I both pointed at the screen and said something.

Rod319

Looks like exactly the same guy to me, although he was probably just an extra for the crash scene and the actor got used later as Mr Friendly. I doubt there's any link as far as the story goes.
Quite possible. Charlotte Ross appeared as a suspect named Laurie Richardson in two episodes of NYPD Blue prior to her becoming a regular member of the cast as Det. Connie McDowell.

Perhaps he was able to impress them in some way that allowed him to get a bigger role later.

So you understand the inner working of the island's power? Please continue....

Not at all. You wondered why Hurley was regressing, while other castaways were improving. I offered an hypothesis, reasoning what was different about Hurley. Jin/Sun, Locke, and Rose all had physical issues, while Hurley's was psychological.

Nevertheless, I offer that Hurley never got worse. Rather, he reached a turning point, and successfully dealt with it. He had been conducting his lifestyle the same as ever, eating as punishment as his doctor surmised. He reached a point where he was ashamed, embarassed, and fed up, pun intended. He reached out to Libby, confessing his hording and hoping for a friend and a solution. Many quitters of habitual behaviors have those food-in-the-air moments, but later realize true resolve and strength are required. For Hurley, that meant digging deep and finding Dave, a side of him that perhaps had never left, but was dormant. He confronts Dave, and his psyche "wins" by watching Dave jump off the cliff, with Hurley not following. So, if you like, the island gave him strength also.

While I'm into the idea of the island as a healing center, I prefer taking Hurley's evolution as just good drama, a very human moment where he gained control of his life.

One idea I got while I was watching the show yesterday was that Rose was a Dharma plant to collect "Bernard-The 56 year old bachelor" for the island experiments. She became chummy with Bernard, and when he tried to propose to her and take the matters further, she tried to ward him off with a "lie" that she was cancer patient in remission who did not have long to live for. But of course, the "goody two shoes" Bernard has unflinching love for Rose. So, she tags along, and when Bernie takes her to the Outback to see the faith healer Isaac, she "hesitates" fearing that Isaac might spill the beans. Upon Bernard's insistence, she goes to see Isaac, who rightfully finds that he could not "cure her" because she had nothing to be cured of. She again "lies" to Bernard that she was healed, just to please him.

Now, back on the island, in season 1, she was quiet confident that her husband was safe (even though we did not know at that time that the tailies had survived). May be because she was a Dharma-ite, she knew that the "chosen few" passengers would not die from the staged accident. Last night, when they were storing the Dharma supplied foods, she wasn't surprised because she knew where the supplies came from. When Bernard was hell bent on putting up a sign so that the stranded folks could be rescued from the island, she vehemently opposes the idea to discourage folks by questioning her own husband's idea.

She manipulated Locke's mind to take away his worries about the goings on in the hatch, thereby sending him back to the hatch with a renewed sense of purpose.

Having said all that, I am one of those people who would hate to see that there was no mystery on the island except that everything was a conspiracy hatched by those crazy scientists to do whacky mind-bending experiments, and would love to see my hypothesis never come true.

I would love to see a "nanobots gone wild" plot rather than "everything happening is inside the characters' heads" cop-out. :o
I think everyone's thinking too much on who is a plant in the Losties and who isn't. First people thought Locke was behind it all, then Libby, and then Bernard and Rose. In my mind, anyone whose flashbacks we see is not a plant (although that still leaves Libby since we've only seen her in someone else's flashback).

Has it been established that Desmond left some of the medication behind? I didn't think so, I thought he took all of it.
I think this has been discussed before ... he did not take all of it but just some of it.

One idea I got while I was watching the show yesterday was that Rose was a Dharma plant to collect "Bernard-The 56 year old bachelor" for the island experiments. She became chummy with Bernard, and when he tried to propose to her and take the matters further, she tried to ward him off with a "lie" that she was cancer patient in remission who did not have long to live for. But of course, the "goody two shoes" Bernard has unflinching love for Rose. So, she tags along, and when Bernie takes her to the Outback to see the faith healer Isaac, she "hesitates" fearing that Isaac might spill the beans. Upon Bernard's insistence, she goes to see Isaac, who rightfully finds that he could not "cure her" because she had nothing to be cured of. She again "lies" to Bernard that she was healed, just to please him.

Now, back on the island, in season 1, she was quiet confident that her husband was safe (even though we did not know at that time that the tailies had survived). May be because she was a Dharma-ite, she knew that the "chosen few" passengers would not die from the staged accident. Last night, when they were storing the Dharma supplied foods, she wasn't surprised because she knew where the supplies came from. When Bernard was hell bent on putting up a sign so that the stranded folks could be rescued from the island, she vehemently opposes the idea to discourage folks by questioning her own husband's idea.

She manipulated Locke's mind to take away his worries about the goings on in the hatch, thereby sending him back to the hatch with a renewed sense of purpose.

Having said all that, I am one of those people who would hate to see that there was no mystery on the island except that everything was a conspiracy hatched by those crazy scientists to do whacky mind-bending experiments, and would love to see my hypothesis never come true.

I would love to see a "nanobots gone wild" plot rather than "everything happening is inside the characters' heads" cop-out. :o

What were you smoking when you had this lame idea?

I am surprised that no one has mentioned the "Black Rock" that is behind Jack when he gets to the field and says "We are here". It looked like a giant version of the lava rocks that Bernard was carrying. My wife and I both pointed at the screen and said something.

Rod319


those black rocks are all over the place. they're standing on them. they are lava rocks and they are on a volcanic island...

What were you smoking when you had this lame idea?

Gee, thanks for the concern, Bubba !!

Don't you worry, I wasn't smokin' nothin'.. :mad:

What were you smoking when you had this lame idea?
Dharma brand grass most likely :D

I offered an hypothesis, reasoning what was different about Hurley. Jin/Sun, Locke, and Rose all had physical issues, while Hurley's was psychological.
We really don't know that Sun's pregnancy was a healing though since the problem was with Jin and not Sun - it could easily be the child of her language teacher, one of the survivors or even implanted by one of the Others. She and Jin weren't really getting along too well until the point right before Jin left on the raft and she still seems a little shady about the whole thing.

Locke's recovery may not be a physical healing either as we really don't know yet why he was in a wheelchair. There are some theories that his situation may have been psychological. I'm betting that it was a spinal injury though.

Rose's condition is also not really concrete yet either. She says that she is well but it's not clear how she came to that conclusion and if it is a reliable method. We don't know what sort of disease she had (I assume cancer) so we don't know how it would have progressed. She may be totally wrong about it and it's not regressing at all.

We really don't know that Sun's pregnancy was a healing though since the problem was with Jin and not Sun - it could easily be the child of her language teacher, one of the survivors or even implanted by one of the Others. She and Jin weren't really getting along too well until the point right before Jin left on the raft and she still seems a little shady about the whole thing.

Locke's recovery may not be a physical healing either as we really don't know yet why he was in a wheelchair. There are some theories that his situation may have been psychological. I'm betting that it was a spinal injury though.

Rose's condition is also not really concrete yet either. She says that she is well but it's not clear how she came to that conclusion and if it is a reliable method. We don't know what sort of disease she had (I assume cancer) so we don't know how it would have progressed. She may be totally wrong about it and it's not regressing at all.
Well, how long ago would she have been with the teacher? I think she definitely would have started showing by now instead of just finding out she was pregnant.

It's possible Locke's condition was psychological, but that doesn't explain why he lost use of his legs when he wanted to go up to the drug plane. The island is definitely doing something to make his legs better and it can take that away too. He also doesn't seem to feel much pain in them even though he can use them. The piece of schratnel didn't even phase him. I'm unclear whether the door caused him pain or if he was just pissed off it fell on him.

Rose said she could just sort of sense it. She said something along the lines of "when you've got something in your body that doesn't belong, you just know it." So apparently she feels that it's gone. Possibly also she may be past her expected time to live? Bernard seems to think so since he says "if it weren't for me, you wouldn't be here right now."

Rose said she could just sort of sense it. She said something along the lines of "when you've got something in your body that doesn't belong, you just know it." So apparently she feels that it's gone. Possibly also she may be past her expected time to live? Bernard seems to think so since he says "if it weren't for me, you wouldn't be here right now."

She also knows Locke was healed so even if she "feels" that she's better, that gives her some more confidence that it's true.

I think everyone's thinking too much on who is a plant in the Losties and who isn't. First people thought Locke was behind it all, then Libby, and then Bernard and Rose. In my mind, anyone whose flashbacks we see is not a plant (although that still leaves Libby since we've only seen her in someone else's flashback).

I agree. I don't think Rose is a Dharma plant but it's not impossible. It could be why the healer said he couldn't heal her... but you would think he would have said, "you're not sick ya' Dharma freak!"

My theory goes like this :

The "Losties" are Dharma. They just don't know it yet. Once they start to realize this they will begin to disappear to bunkers to "restock" the island staff.

Great way to extend the show. Add "losties" to Dharma, have more crashes, add more story lines.

Clues -

The French chick lables people as being sick when in actuality they have realized they are Dharma. She is resisting the fact that she is Dharma and considered a rouge.

The "losties" have a pretty good mix of occupations. (Dr. , Security people, translators etc.)

They all are just too conviently connected in some way.

I agree. I don't think Rose is a Dharma plant but it's not impossible. It could be why the healer said he couldn't heal her... but you would think he would have said, "you're not sick ya' Dharma freak!"

No one's mentioned this, but it could be just me that interpretted it this way.

When Isaac the healer was attempting to "heal" Rose, he didn't have a disappointing, frustrated, "sorry, I can't heal you" look. It appeared to me that he looked shocked, surprised, or even afraid when he pulled away from Rose. Anyone else get that impression?

No one's mentioned this, but it could be just me that interpretted it this way.

When Isaac the healer was attempting to "heal" Rose, he didn't have a disappointing, frustrated, "sorry, I can't heal you" look. It appeared to me that he looked shocked, surprised, or even afraid when he pulled away from Rose. Anyone else get that impression?

Wait till someone asks you "What were you smoking when you got that lame idea?" :rolleyes:

Anyway, what you said was exactly why I felt there was something strange going on about Rose. It seemed as if Isaac sensed something - not necessarily that he couldn't 'heal' her - but rather that he saw something about her that he did not understand.

I have to watch this episode again, but I have a strong feeling that all is not as it seems about Rose. In season1. she couldn't wait to find out if Bernard was OK, but now she is all rude to him, and making him look like a bumbling idiot in front of everyone on the island.

Ok, this whole Sun got pregnant by her teacher thing is bothering me. It was a while ago (last season?), so I might be remembering this wrong, but... Wasn't her teacher, also the son of the hotel owner? Isn't that the guy that she was set up with in her first flashback episode? If so, didn't they just become good friends, and nothing more, because he was gay?

Am I remembering this right or am I way off base?

Ok, this whole Sun got pregnant by her teacher thing is bothering me. It was a while ago (last season?), so I might be remembering this wrong, but... Wasn't her teacher, also the son of the hotel owner? Isn't that the guy that she was set up with in her first flashback episode? If so, didn't they just become good friends, and nothing more, because he was gay?

Am I remembering this right or am I way off base?

I don't remember him being gay, but he definitely wasn't interested in Sun as any more than a friend. He dated her to humor his father and ended up liking her, but I think she was way more into it than he was.

Then he announced he was moving to America and had met someone there. That's when Sun, very hurt and upset, left the hotel and ran into Jin by the water.

I didn't think he was gay, just in love with an American woman (not that there's anything wrong with that).

No one's mentioned this, but it could be just me that interpretted it this way.

When Isaac the healer was attempting to "heal" Rose, he didn't have a disappointing, frustrated, "sorry, I can't heal you" look. It appeared to me that he looked shocked, surprised, or even afraid when he pulled away from Rose. Anyone else get that impression?

Yes, I thought it was obvious that he could see the future and the island...which would hear her.

We really don't know that Sun's pregnancy was a healing though since the problem was with Jin and not Sun - it could easily be the child of her language teacher, one of the survivors or even implanted by one of the Others. She and Jin weren't really getting along too well until the point right before Jin left on the raft and she still seems a little shady about the whole thing.

Let's not forget Charlie. He knocked her out and dragged her into the jungle while she was unconscious. Who know what happened. Charlie was acting VERY strange that episode and the one prior.

snip.......
Anyone else wondering if the "Coming on Lost" previews were actually snippets that outline the remainder of the season and not just the next episode?

Yep. I told my wife that the previews were most likely clips of the remaining shows for the season. There seemed to be too much action/revelation for one episode.

I think the storyline is great but between the filler material and scheduling, they are starting to lose me as a fan.

Yep. I told my wife that the previews were most likely clips of the remaining shows for the season. There seemed to be too much action/revelation for one episode.

I was afraid of the same thing. It's a little disappointing to think that they may have just taken us all to the point of the end of the season (just before launching an assault on the Others) when there's still 5 episodes left.

Rose said she could just sort of sense it. She said something along the lines of "when you've got something in your body that doesn't belong, you just know it." So apparently she feels that it's gone. Possibly also she may be past her expected time to live? Bernard seems to think so since he says "if it weren't for me, you wouldn't be here right now."

I had a good chuckle at Bernard's line, because ironically, if he hadn't meddled in her medical affairs without her consent, and drug her to Ayers Rock, she most certainly wouldn't have been there, on the island. His self-righteousness could've blown up in his face.

We really don't know that Sun's pregnancy was a healing though since the problem was with Jin and not Sun - it could easily be the child of her language teacher, one of the survivors or even implanted by one of the Others. She and Jin weren't really getting along too well until the point right before Jin left on the raft and she still seems a little shady about the whole thing.

Locke's recovery may not be a physical healing either as we really don't know yet why he was in a wheelchair. There are some theories that his situation may have been psychological. I'm betting that it was a spinal injury though.

Rose's condition is also not really concrete yet either. She says that she is well but it's not clear how she came to that conclusion and if it is a reliable method. We don't know what sort of disease she had (I assume cancer) so we don't know how it would have progressed. She may be totally wrong about it and it's not regressing at all.

Jeff, I am a strong proponent in this forum of "let's not jump to conclusions." Certainly, we all speculate within the context of what is given. I definitely hear you though, and respect your point.

Let's not forget Charlie. He knocked her out and dragged her into the jungle while she was unconscious. Who know what happened. Charlie was acting VERY strange that episode and the one prior.
this is absurd (she would know if she was physically assaulted/raped)

no offense, but some of you guys should just WATCH the show and not try to add to the discussion.

I agree. I don't think Rose is a Dharma plant but it's not impossible. It could be why the healer said he couldn't heal her... but you would think he would have said, "you're not sick ya' Dharma freak!"

He gave her the same reaction that the psychic gave Claire -- first he's channeling, then his eyes pop open and he pushes back. Nope, sorry, can't help you. Each of the saw something unusual, and ceased their activity.

I have to watch this episode again, but I have a strong feeling that all is not as it seems about Rose. In season1. she couldn't wait to find out if Bernard was OK, but now she is all rude to him, and making him look like a bumbling idiot in front of everyone on the island.

What the heck are you smokin'?! Okay, just teasing! Rose actually was quiet, confident, and patient about Bernard, saying she knew he survived and was safe. She was one of the first to chill out, doing laundry and enjoying the surf and breeze. Bernard's a high-maintenance doofus, and he deserves Rose's chiding.

Let's not forget Charlie. He knocked her out and dragged her into the jungle while she was unconscious. Who know what happened. Charlie was acting VERY strange that episode and the one prior.

Charlie did NOT rape Sun... I see they don't call you Kracko for nothin. ;)

this is absurd (she would know if she was physically assaulted/raped)

no offense, but some of you guys should just WATCH the show and not try to add to the discussion.

Heh-heh.

Did anyone notice this easter egg in this week's episode? When they show Locke sitting on the beach, right before Rose comes up to him and says "you're in my spot", did you see that his crutches underneath his legs were in the shape of a cross? If someone can get a frame capture, that'd be cool!

Did anyone notice this easter egg in this week's episode? When they show Locke sitting on the beach, right before Rose comes up to him and says "you're in my spot", did you see that his crutches underneath his legs were in the shape of a cross? If someone can get a frame capture, that'd be cool!

That's an easter egg? Why?

Yep. I told my wife that the previews were most likely clips of the remaining shows for the season. There seemed to be too much action/revelation for one episode.

I think the storyline is great but between the filler material and scheduling, they are starting to lose me as a fan.

So what are you gonna do? Stop watching the show? They have us by the throat, and they know it. That's how they can get away with the unusual scheduling. Any other new show that did this, people would just stop watching.

Ain't nothing you can do but suck it up and deal with it. Every wednesday night after the show I'm looking all over threads like this, but after a day or two I've forgotten about it till I get home Wednesday evening.

this is absurd (she would know if she was physically assaulted/raped)

no offense, but some of you guys should just WATCH the show and not try to add to the discussion.

Sorry but offense taken.

I'll make sure to ask your permission before posting next time.

That's an easter egg? Why?

It must have been outside of the 4:3 frame but I didn't notice.

Charlie did NOT rape Sun... I see they don't call you Kracko for nothin. ;)
I don' think that Charlie raped Sun either but it's doubtful that Sun would have said anything about it even if she had been. She most likely would have perceived it as a putting a wedge between herself and Jin. Knowing her character she probably would have been very embarrassed about it as well. She was even really embarrassed about letting anyone know that she was pregnant.

The crash survivors have been on the island for about 50 days. Any contact with the language teacher or any other guy in Korea would have been before that. She's been through a lot during that time so she may have chalked up any pregnancy symptoms to just her ordeal. This is of course doubtful, but still very possible. It's certainly no more improbable than Jin being "healed" by the island.

Her relationship with Jin has been very strained for the vast majority of the 50 days they've been on the island. She already demonstrated in the latest flashback that she had no problems avoiding sex with Jin if she wasn't in the mood. For a large portion of the time on the island, Jin and Sun weren't even living together. For another large portion of time he was away on the raft. Of course it only takes one night but the jury is still out on Jin being the father.

Charlie's attack on Sun took place about 10 days ago so that would be a little soon for Sun to show signs of a pregnancy. It doesn't close the door on other survivors like Michael.

I don't remember him being gay, but he definitely wasn't interested in Sun as any more than a friend. He dated her to humor his father and ended up liking her, but I think she was way more into it than he was.
In the last flashback he did seem very interested in her and there was even a little hint of sexual tension when Sun dropped something and they both bent down to pick it up.

He also mentioned that she had been fluent in English for months but had kept coming back to for more private lessons.

He also tried to convince Sun not to run away to the US. When Sun said something along the lines of "you want me to stay for Jin", he replied "I didn't say to stay for Jin".


Of course, these things could all be interpreted many different ways, but a romantic interest is certainly a strong possibility.

It's possible Locke's condition was psychological, but that doesn't explain why he lost use of his legs when he wanted to go up to the drug plane. The island is definitely doing something to make his legs better and it can take that away too.

I think that incident reinforces the idea that his condition may be psychological. That may be why he insists on being such a "man of faith" on the island.

The island seems to project a sense of contentent on it's inhabitants - at least the crash survivors. It may even have some sort of pain relieving effects. This could explain Rose's idea that she is healed and may relieve Locke of any mental blocks that he may have.

Of course, without knowing Rose's actual disease there is simply no way to have any confidence in either theory. Rose certainly seemed mobile and comfortable during her ride through the outback.

Did anyone notice this easter egg in this week's episode? When they show Locke sitting on the beach, right before Rose comes up to him and says "you're in my spot", did you see that his crutches underneath his legs were in the shape of a cross? If someone can get a frame capture, that'd be cool!
http://kjordan.net/crossthumb.jpg (http://kjordan.net/cross.jpg)

No one's mentioned this, but it could be just me that interpretted it this way.

When Isaac the healer was attempting to "heal" Rose, he didn't have a disappointing, frustrated, "sorry, I can't heal you" look. It appeared to me that he looked shocked, surprised, or even afraid when he pulled away from Rose. Anyone else get that impression?
Exactly how I saw it too.

http://kjordan.net/crossthumb.jpg (http://kjordan.net/cross.jpg)


Exactly how I saw it too.

I had same thought.

When they were swinging in the net, why didn't Jack or Kate shoot the part of the rope that was 6 inches above their heads?

My main fear about this whole thing is that when the series gets to the point where it is cancelled, the last scene we'll see is Bob Newhart waking up and rolling over in bed to explain to Suzanne Pleshette he's just had a really odd dream that included a bunch of confusing back stories. :p

<snip> and the only "it was all a dream" story that played well was when Bob Newhart woke up with his wife and realized the New England lodge never happened.

Been there, said that, a month ago.

Sorry, I have only read the first 11,000,000 posts on this thread. :)

Someone a few posts ago asked about Jack's army, and correct me if im wrong but didn't the army idea kind of wither away after Ana Lucia shot and killed Sayid's girlfriend (i forgot her name)?

Someone a few posts ago asked about Jack's army, and correct me if im wrong but didn't the army idea kind of wither away after Ana Lucia shot and killed Sayid's girlfriend (i forgot her name)?

Wasn't the shoosting (as Gold Member would say.. :D ) before Jack proposed the idea to build an army? In fact AL shot Shannon when the Tailies met our Losties for the first time, and AL mistook Shannon to be an "Other" resulting in the shoosting.

...Rose's condition is also not really concrete yet either. She says that she is well but it's not clear how she came to that conclusion and if it is a reliable method. We don't know what sort of disease she had (I assume cancer) so we don't know how it would have progressed. She may be totally wrong about it and it's not regressing at all. Is there any disease other than cancer that "regresses"? I've heard of non-cancer "relapses", but I've only heard "regression" when cancer was involved.

When they were swinging in the net, why didn't Jack or Kate shoot the part of the rope that was 6 inches above their heads?

Possibly because they could aim it upwards?

When Isaac the healer was attempting to "heal" Rose, he didn't have a disappointing, frustrated, "sorry, I can't heal you" look. It appeared to me that he looked shocked, surprised, or even afraid when he pulled away from Rose. Anyone else get that impression?The impression I got was that Rose reluctantly went in to see Isaac for Bernard, being they traveled from so far. Isaac picked up that she didn't believe in healing and couldn't (wouldn't?) help her.

the last scene we'll see is Bob Newhart waking up and rolling over in bed to explain to Suzanne Pleshette he's just had a really odd dream that included a bunch of confusing back stories

Or when Bobby Ewing was showering himself with the Irish Spring soap. I was out of the country when the Newhart finale aired, my wife did not think to tape it, and I have never seen it.

Back on topic, if they ever are given the chance to leave the island how many would stay. It seems like 3 (plus Bernard and Jin) that have benefitted from a cure would stay. Everyone else may not want to go back to the trouble they left behind. When will Hurley be cured of his number problem?

Michael252 and rezzy, I definitely got the "shocked" vibe, the same way the psychic reacted when Claire went in to get a reading.... The healer saw something in her that he'd never seen before, which seems to me that these people were picked ahead of time, or were gotten to by Dharma somehow before they all ended up on the plane together. I mean some of them have been in the hospital recently before getting to Australia... not all of them, however, but maybe they'll show in future backstories that they were all at one time in hospitals. Hurley, Rose, Locke, Jack, Claire, Libby for starters. Maybe Dharma was able to get to them while they were at a hospital for whatever reason, injected them with something. Who knows.

When they were swinging in the net, why didn't Jack or Kate shoot the part of the rope that was 6 inches above their heads?

I wondered the exact same thing. Why aim at this rope 15 feet away, when you're MOVING back and forth in the net, when you could just shoot the rope where it ties to the net itself, or even just shoot the rope at your feet so you drop out of the net.

Sorry, I have only read the first 11,000,000 posts on this thread. :)

Oh! Snap! :p

Back on topic, if they ever are given the chance to leave the island how many would stay. It seems like 3 (plus Bernard and Jin) that have benefitted from a cure would stay.
I don't think Jin and Sun would want to stay after the baby is born.

I wondered the exact same thing. Why aim at this rope 15 feet away, when you're MOVING back and forth in the net, when you could just shoot the rope where it ties to the net itself, or even just shoot the rope at your feet so you drop out of the net.
Yeah, like you're going to impress Kate with your manly gun skills shooting at something a foot above your head. :rolleyes:

Rose's condition is also not really concrete yet either. She says that she is well but it's not clear how she came to that conclusion and if it is a reliable method. We don't know what sort of disease she had (I assume cancer) so we don't know how it would have progressed. She may be totally wrong about it and it's not regressing at all.
Is there any disease other than cancer that "regresses"? I've heard of non-cancer "relapses", but I've only heard "regression" when cancer was involved.

The word (and what Rose said) is "remission," not "regression."

I lost my Mother to ovarian cancer a year ago. After fighting for 10 years, she was diagnosed "terminal" (the point at which the doctors give up and advise you to do all the things you want to do before you go, and make your peace) and given six months to live. She lasted eight, but it wasn't pretty and it wasn't fun. Believe me, if it had just gone away one day, she would have known it...

In Rose's case, she was given only a few months to live. When cancer is in its terminal stages, it is extremely debilitating. The Losties have been on the island for seven weeks already; Rose wouldn't be feeling quite so perky if the cancer wasn't truly gone.

We all know this island is special (whether magical or technological), why doubt it's healing properties?

~Dan

OT: Q and Jason, did you guys survive that ridiculous hail this evening?

For the record, this is the earliest reference to the Newhart ending from 1/14/05.

Yes, and at the time that was a clever surprise, though I believe it upset a number of people.

Contrast that to the ending of Newhart. Bob wakes up from a dream, but that was one of the best "surprise" endings IMHO of any series.

As for Lost, I agree with all who believe something "more than natural" is happening. For now, I am believing that the guy who got sucked into the engine, the pilot, and the surfer girl "really" died. All the others are "really" alive, but somehow miraculously survived an impossible crash

I didn't think he was gay, just in love with an American woman (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Correct - here is the transcript:

[Jae and Sun in the restaurant.]

JAE [subtitled]: ...then the card slips out of the door and there I am in the hallway, wearing only a towel!

SUN [subtitled]: I thought that only happened in movies.

JAE [subtitled]: I had to convince the maid I owned the hotel... but she didn't believe me! How embarrassing!

SUN [subtitled]: I can't believe how... normal you are.

JAE [subtitled]: I think you're great too, Sun. So... I'd really like for us to keep seeing each other. Our parents will be so thrilled. No more "matchmakers." No more pressure. We can be free. Can I tell you a secret?

SUN [subtitled]: Of course.

JAE [subtitled]: When I was at Harvard, I met an American woman... I haven't told my father yet, but... in six months, I'm going to move there and marry her. [Sun looks hurt/embarrassed] Wait... you didn't think --

SUN [subtitled]: Of course not. America. That's wonderful.

JAE [subtitled]: I thought you...

SUN [subtitled]: I'm very happy for you.

RESTAURANT MANAGER GUY [subtitled]: Good afternoon, sir. Is there anything else you need?

JAE [subtitled]: No, we're fine. Thanks.

RESTAURANT MANAGER GUY [subtitled - to Sun]: Would you care for some coffee or dessert?

SUN [subtitled]: No, thank you. In fact, I have an appointment.

JAE: Sun...

SUN [subtitled]: Thank you so much for lunch.

Oh! Snap! :p

Speaking of high school retorts, my wife's cousin says "Burn!" is coming back into fashion. You'd use it in the same context.

OT: Q and Jason, did you guys survive that ridiculous hail this evening?

Which round? Another's coming at the moment. I love it when it rains horizontally.

With a name like Henry Gale, how can the guy be telling the truth? Henry Gale is Dorothy's uncle in the Wizard of Oz.

larry

Not only that, they went to Australia. Wikipedia:

After their house was famously carried off to the land of Oz by a cyclone in The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, Henry mortgaged his farm in order to rebuild. This crisis, combined with the stress of Dorothy's prolonged disappearance and sudden reappearance, took a toll on his health, and his doctor ordered him to take a vacation. He took Dorothy with him on a ocean voyage to Australia, where he had relatives, but during this trip (in Ozma of Oz) Dorothy was lost again during a storm, and for several weeks Henry believed she had drowned, until she suddenly returned again, courtesy of the Nome King's Magic Belt.

In The Emerald City of Oz, Henry and Em finally confessed to Dorothy the extent of their financial problems, and revealed to her that their farm was on the verge of forclosure. Dorothy solved this problem for them by bringing them to live with her in the Emerald City, as permanent guests of Princess Ozma. Henry was given the job of being Keeper of the Jewels in Ozma's treasure hoard for the purpose of keeping him occupied.

Uncle Henry has been featured slightly more than Aunt Em in the Oz books.

Speaking of high school retorts, my wife's cousin says "Burn!" is coming back into fashion. You'd use it in the same context.Um, no it's not. :p

ps: I made a dash out to throw something over the uncovered car. The first round cracked the windshield pretty nice. Oh yeah, broke a few windows on the house as well :mad:

Speaking of high school retorts, my wife's cousin says "Burn!" is coming back into fashion. You'd use it in the same context.

I actually got it from Disney's Chicken Little. My 2-year-old daughter is continually trying to persuade me to "Watch chicken?". Then when I ask her, "You want to watch Chicken Little?" She says, "Ok", like it was my idea. :D

Where are you guys getting hail? We had hail and tornados last week here in Atlanta. Fortunately they didn't hit our house. Weather's really scary this year.

It's Friday isn't it?

I had same thought.

Perhaps his meaning was "Easter" egg more so than "easter egg", if anybody gets my drift (Easter - this week...).

Perhaps his meaning was "Easter" egg more so than "easter egg", if anybody gets my drift (Easter - this week...).

I get it now... sort of like a Holy Easter egg with the crutch-cross. :p

...I offered an hypothesis...

British, are we?

Perhaps his meaning was "Easter" egg more so than "easter egg", if anybody gets my drift (Easter - this week...).

No, I meant "easter egg", as in the secret things people insert into DVDs for fun that you can't find unless you're looking for them. Ok, so not exactly the same, but still, Lost is filled with visual and auditory clues that they insert into the show in such a way as to hope you won't notice them... the backwards voices, the frame-by-frame images in the black smoke, etc.

You have to admit that they had Locke place his crutches in a cross for a specific reason.... Especailly since the camera aimed right at them before panning up to Locke himself...

Where are you guys getting hail?Midwest just got slammed (golf ball sized hail @ 35-40 mph).

BTW, wasn't Bernard talking to a little girl on crutches outside of Isaacs' place? I wonder who she is and why she isn't healed.

edit: The child was just probably next in line. Wonder if we'll see her again.

Originally Posted by Quinocampa
...I offered an hypothesis...British, are we?

I struggled with it. In the end, sophomore English teachers can be quite influential.

No, I meant "easter egg", as in the secret things people insert into DVDs for fun that you can't find unless you're looking for them. Ok, so not exactly the same, but still, Lost is filled with visual and auditory clues that they insert into the show in such a way as to hope you won't notice them... the backwards voices, the frame-by-frame images in the black smoke, etc.

You have to admit that they had Locke place his crutches in a cross for a specific reason.... Especailly since the camera aimed right at them before panning up to Locke himself...

Yes...but...WHAT is the reason?! Is everything relevant? The camera focused on the food Rose put on the shelf too.

Where are you guys getting hail? We had hail and tornados last week here in Atlanta. Fortunately they didn't hit our house. Weather's really scary this year.



I heard a statistic on the news this past week, and I apologize for not stating it exactly, but you'll get the point -- there have been more tornadoes in the last X years (2? 3?) than there have been in the previous 5X years. Anyway, there's been a massive increase in the number of tornadoes.

Wait... so now you're saying DHARMA is causing tornados and hail storms all over the place too? It's even worse than I feared... :(


ron

Quite possible. Charlotte Ross appeared as a suspect named Laurie Richardson in two episodes of NYPD Blue prior to her becoming a regular member of the cast as Det. Connie McDowell.

Perhaps he was able to impress them in some way that allowed him to get a bigger role later.

Reminiscent of Jerry Orbach came to be a regular on Law&Order.

Dick Wolf wanted him on the series. He approached him, got rebuffed, and got George Dzundza for the first season.

Dick tried again, again got rebuffed, but convinced Jerry to make a guest appearance in the second season (as a smarmy defense lawyer). Jerry was impressed. They replaced George with Paul Sorvino.

Finally convinced Jerry to join the cast. He came on board in the middle of season 3 (replacing Paul Sorvino) and was our beloved Lennie Briscoe for the remainder of his life.

And don't forget about Star Trek, throughout it's nearly 40 year existence, it's had multiple cases of one actor playing multiple parts, as well as a few cases of different actors playing the same part.

(I can't believe my first post in the massive Lost thread, and I'm talking about Star Trek. Oh well, I always enjoy reading this thread everyday between episodes.)

Edit: Having said that, I could see the Lost producers planning this and playing off it later.

I wondered the exact same thing. Why aim at this rope 15 feet away, when you're MOVING back and forth in the net, when you could just shoot the rope where it ties to the net itself, or even just shoot the rope at your feet so you drop out of the net.
My take is you wouldn't want to shoot at the ropes near your feet and risk shooting someone in the foot while being squeezed so close together.

You probably wouldn't want to shoot upwards in the confined space of the net, either. Between the hot gas discharge and the brass ejecting (not to mention that much noise near your head), that might risk injury as well.

The real question would be why neither of them thought to bring a knife with them. It's not like Locke didn't have that large collection laying around. What if they needed to eat some fruit or cut ropes that might have been used to subdue Walt should the trade have gone as Jack had hoped? Besides, last time they met Mr. Friendly, he took their guns. It's easier to hide a knife should they need a backup plan.

Clipped from Entertainment Weekly online --

Spoof king David Zucker's full comedy glossary: The director of ''Airplane!,'' ''Scary Movie 4,'' and the ''Naked Gun'' movies shares his lingo and rules for bringing the funny

22. Schmuck Bait: A twist ending that makes the audience feel cheated, such as the old ''It was all a dream.''

So, let's shut it with all the talk of Schmuck Bait, okay? It is widely recognized as cheap.

The real question would be why neither of them thought to bring a knife with them. It's not like Locke didn't have that large collection laying around. What if they needed to eat some fruit or cut ropes that might have been used to subdue Walt should the trade have gone as Jack had hoped? Besides, last time they met Mr. Friendly, he took their guns. It's easier to hide a knife should they need a backup plan.Exactamundo!
You're out in the brush, outback or whatever, and you don't have a knife or machete?
I guess the firearm made for more entertaining television.

Wow, any mention of David Zucker's movies without mentioning Kentucky Fried Movie is just irresponsible :)

My take is you wouldn't want to shoot at the ropes near your feet and risk shooting someone in the foot while being squeezed so close together.

You probably wouldn't want to shoot upwards in the confined space of the net, either. Between the hot gas discharge and the brass ejecting (not to mention that much noise near your head), that might risk injury as well.

The real question would be why neither of them thought to bring a knife with them. It's not like Locke didn't have that large collection laying around. What if they needed to eat some fruit or cut ropes that might have been used to subdue Walt should the trade have gone as Jack had hoped? Besides, last time they met Mr. Friendly, he took their guns. It's easier to hide a knife should they need a backup plan.
Psshh...you don't bring a knife to a gunfight ;)

Exactamundo!
You're out in the brush, outback or whatever, and you don't have a knife or machete?
I guess the firearm made for more entertaining television.

You obviously don't know much about knives. As tough as hitting that rope with a bullet was, hitting it with a knife from that distance just right so it cut clean through would be damn near impossible. ;)

You obviously don't know much about knives. As tough as hitting that rope with a bullet was, hitting it with a knife from that distance just right so it cut clean through would be damn near impossible. ;)
What if they had thrown the knife at the rope several times? Wouldn't that have eventually cut through it? :D

What if they had thrown the knife at the rope several times? Wouldn't that have eventually cut through it? :D

Both comments were brilliant!

You obviously don't know much about knives. As tough as hitting that rope with a bullet was, hitting it with a knife from that distance just right so it cut clean through would be damn near impossible.Duh! Of course I do. You tie a rope at the end so you can retrieve it if you miss. :rolleyes: :p

You're overlooking the obvious - just cut a hole in the net big enough for Kate to drop through and she can retrieve your knife after each throw.

You're overlooking the obvious - just cut a hole in the net big enough for Kate to drop through and she can retrieve your knife after each throw.
No, no, no. They just came from Australia. The knife will fly back on its own.

I heard a statistic on the news this past week, and I apologize for not stating it exactly, but you'll get the point -- there have been more tornadoes in the last X years (2? 3?) than there have been in the previous 5X years. Anyway, there's been a massive increase in the number of tornadoes.


It takes long enough to wade through this thread - let's table the weather discussions. I'm sure there are some pretty nice weather forums on www.weather.com.

No, no, no. They just came from Australia. The knife will fly back on its own.
That's not a knife, that's a spoon. ;)

Note to self: Next time it takes Comcast SEVEN days to restore Internet connectivity, find some way to keep up with the Lost thread.

I doubt Rose is Dharma, or anything other than what she appears. However, in the first season she just "knew" that Bernard was not dead. This season, she "knows" that here illness is healed. I get the impression she has a touch of psychic ability---possibly that was what was being sensed by the faith healer. Also, I didn't keep the recording, but did he say something about he couldn't help her in HIS place, but there was some OTHER place that might get her the healing?

I did enjoy the dialog between Kate and Jack when she was describing the costume she found and he said, "When were you going to get around to telling me this?" Didn't she say something about not being sure she was in the "club"?

Note to self: Next time it takes Comcast SEVEN days to restore Internet connectivity, find some way to keep up with the Lost thread.

I doubt Rose is Dharma, or anything other than what she appears. However, in the first season she just "knew" that Bernard was not dead. This season, she "knows" that here illness is healed. I get the impression she has a touch of psychic ability---possibly that was what was being sensed by the faith healer. Also, I didn't keep the recording, but did he say something about he couldn't help her in HIS place, but there was some OTHER place that might get her the healing?

I did enjoy the dialog between Kate and Jack when she was describing the costume she found and he said, "When were you going to get around to telling me this?" Didn't she say something about not being sure she was in the "club"?

What Rose said about knowing something foreign is inside you is a common sentiment stated by many with cancer. I thought, "yup, I've heard that," when she said it. Isaac said he didn't know where she could go, but what she had wasn't the type of thing his place could cure. It was basically matching energies to illnesses, and they had a mismatch.

Kate said she would've told Jack when Jack let her back in the club, and went on to say something about Henry being held for a week or whatever, with only a few people knowing.

Ray**W said:
When they were swinging in the net, why didn't Jack or Kate shoot the part of the rope that was 6 inches above their heads?Belatedly, I recalled that the net opened up when they hit the ground, which seems a little strange in retrospect. The better to see the two headline actors in close-up? ;)

Or as ucsbgaucho said, why not just shoot the rope at [their] feet so [they] drop out of the net... That way they wouldn't have hit the ground so hard. But it seems that both Jack and Kate are indestructible, anyway.

What I spent a lot of time doing when I still had the recording in my NP list was trying to see Kate kissing Jack. No joy. Maybe when she apologized for kissing him she was referring back to a previous episode?

That's not a knife, that's a spoon. ;)There is no spoon, Neo. :eek:

Yes. She apologized for kissing him earlier in the season... I think it was the episode where she was seeing the horse and thought that Sawyer was possessed by her stepdad.

the episode where she was seeing the horse and thought that Sawyer was possessed by her stepdad.

Not the kind of synopsis you'd expect from a hit show. :)

Not the kind of synopsis you'd expect from a hit show. :)

Well, of course there was also a big trio of movies about this magic ring, see, and the smallest, most peaceful and most defenseless beings are in charge of walking barefoot across the continent to the one and only spot that it can be destroyed. Meanwhile they are pursued by demons from hell, an evil wizard, some rather ugly orcs from the underworld, a dragon and some really mean trees.....

Well, of course there was also a big trio of movies about this magic ring, see, and the smallest, most peaceful and most defenseless beings are in charge of walking barefoot across the continent to the one and only spot that it can be destroyed. Meanwhile they are pursued by demons from hell, an evil wizard, some rather ugly orcs from the underworld, a dragon and some really mean trees.....

Hey, those trees weren't mean! Just indifferent, and they weren't pursuing either. Sorry auburn, this may be too far off topic for you. Kate is hot!! Okay, there. Now I'm back on topic.

Well, of course there was also a big trio of movies about this magic ring, see, and the smallest, most peaceful and most defenseless beings are in charge of walking barefoot across the continent to the one and only spot that it can be destroyed. Meanwhile they are pursued by demons from hell, an evil wizard, some rather ugly orcs from the underworld, a dragon and some really mean trees.....

and then the defenseless beings went their own way, one became a Director at CTU; one became a heroine addict Lost on an island, and the other became Jeffrey Dahmer in B&W :rolleyes:

So...
Who wins in a fight between Henry Gale and Ana Lucia?

Zeke says Michael won't find them unless they want him to, and Michael says he's found them, they're weakly armed, and they can be defeated. How will this shake out?

And who was shot at when he first separated from the search party? He doesn't appear to have a gun anymore.

So...
Who wins in a fight between Henry Gale and Ana Lucia?

That's an easy call - Anna Lucia. Henry Gale is dead. :eek: :D

So...
Who wins in a fight between Henry Gale and Ana Lucia?

I am also betting on Ana Lucia. I am predicting some type of headbutt and kick/knee to the groin area to do him in.

I think that Locke will come in and end up killing him.... or possibly Sayid.

I think that Locke will come in and end up killing him.... or possibly Sayid.

Why would Locke kill Sayid? ;)

I wanted to grab the joke before anyone else got to it.

Yeah, I think any of these possibilities are stronger than Henry doing severe harm. I also want to know why she pulls the gun on him in the first place.

on tailsection.com, someone said there may have been a Cerberus sighting in the pilot episode. The poster thought the monster was surrounding the grounded engine, just before it exploded. I don't have the DVD's or the DVR, so I thought some industrious person could corroborate this possibility.

Yeah, I think any of these possibilities are stronger than Henry doing severe harm.

I dunno. If Henry is really an other then I think one of the losties could get their @$$ kicked. Remember Ethan was extremely strong, so I'm thinking Henry will surprise us. Perhaps even killing one of the losties, probably a redshirt. They did just give us a few names of some of the background people, so why not kill one of them now!

I'd love to see Michael get killed :D That would be a good cliff hanger at the end of the season, make us wait to see if someone really got killed. Please let it be Michael..Please let it be Michael..Please let it be Michael..

I dunno. If Henry is really an other then I think one of the losties could get their @$$ kicked. Remember Ethan was extremely strong, so I'm thinking Henry will surprise us. Perhaps even killing one of the losties, probably a redshirt. They did just give us a few names of some of the background people, so why not kill one of them now!




I'm feeling nostalgic for Artzt. It was about this time last season when they pulled him from redshirt status only to blow him up. Still the best line of the series is Hurley telling Jack, "Dude, you got a little...Artzt...on you."

That's Arzt, Leslie Arzt. A little respect for the dead, huh? Sheesh! :D

on tailsection.com, someone said there may have been a Cerberus sighting in the pilot episode. The poster thought the monster was surrounding the grounded engine, just before it exploded. I don't have the DVD's or the DVR, so I thought some industrious person could corroborate this possibility.

I'm not sure of the term "Cerberus sighting" but, there was a thin rectangular piece of what looked like shrapnel, about 2ft by 3ft that swooped down just above the engine and pulled up and away just as the engine exploded. Its movement was definitely not natural, as in it was not falling, it was under some control. Its hard to spot in real time what with a lot of shrapnel pieces flying around at the time, but in frame by frame advance, it is unmistakeable.

And speaking of Arzt, something that has always perplexed me is: If the dynamite was so unstable, how did Rousseau manage to nail the box shut without blowing it and her to smithereens? I remember the box lid had to be pried off cause it was nailed shut...

I'm not sure of the term "Cerberus sighting" but, there was a thin rectangular piece of what looked like shrapnel, about 2ft by 3ft that swooped down just above the engine and pulled up and away just as the engine exploded. Its movement was definitely not natural, as in it was not falling, it was under some control. Its hard to spot in real time what with a lot of shrapnel pieces flying around at the time, but in frame by frame advance, it is unmistakeable.

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I'm not sure of the term "Cerberus sighting" but, there was a thin rectangular piece of what looked like shrapnel, about 2ft by 3ft that swooped down just above the engine and pulled up and away just as the engine exploded. Its movement was definitely not natural, as in it was not falling, it was under some control. Its hard to spot in real time what with a lot of shrapnel pieces flying around at the time, but in frame by frame advance, it is unmistakeable.

I remember watching the guy get sucked in. Obviously, there was some CG FX going on there, so perhaps this was just a piece of artwork depicting the explosion.

I remember watching the guy get sucked in. Obviously, there was some CG FX going on there, so perhaps this was just a piece of artwork depicting the explosion.

That doesn't look like shrapnel; definitely looks "under control" like it was dive bombing the engine. If the writers and production artists put that in waaaay back in the pilot, I've got a new level of respect for them.

I think you are talking about this -

Wow. Yeah.

That doesn't look like shrapnel; definitely looks "under control" like it was dive bombing the engine. If the writers and production artists put that in waaaay back in the pilot, I've got a new level of respect for them.
No kidding, but by that same token, Mr. Friendly's appearance at the crash site cannot be just a coincidence, or a case of re-utilizing an early bit-player with a new role later on.

And speaking of Arzt, something that has always perplexed me is: If the dynamite was so unstable, how did Rousseau manage to nail the box shut without blowing it and her to smithereens? I remember the box lid had to be pried off cause it was nailed shut...

Rousseau didn't necessarily open the box, she just knew there was dynamite in it because it was marked "explosives".

I lost my Mother to ovarian cancer a year ago. After fighting for 10 years, she was diagnosed "terminal" (the point at which the doctors give up and advise you to do all the things you want to do before you go, and make your peace) and given six months to live. She lasted eight, but it wasn't pretty and it wasn't fun. Believe me, if it had just gone away one day, she would have known it...

I'm so sorry, Dan :( Hope you and your family are hanging in there.

Rousseau didn't necessarily open the box, she just knew there was dynamite in it because it was marked "explosives".

Evidently she did; she said she got the dynamite she used to booby trap and blow up her camp from the Black Rock. That's why Jack, Locke, Arzt, Kate, and Hurley got her to lead them to the Black Rock. So they could get the dynamite to blow open the hatch. IIRC, she left the Black Rock before they went in and got the dynamite.

I'm thinking there was more than one box.

I'm thinking there was more than one box.

But with it being as touchy as it is, they'd be crazy to try it again. What I thought was funny was that there was another door into The Swan, and they never had to blow the hatch.

I'm thinking there was more than one box.
Yeah, a second unnailed box does make sense; she sure didn't point out the box of explosives to 'em. Mostly I guess I really kinda think its just a case where "logical suspension" applies. I also believed the concusive shock of the explosion that pureed Arzt would have been enough to detonate the rest of the dynamite too, but that didn't happen either. And I suppose it ain't that important to the story anyway...so nevermind :D

I think that Locke will come in and end up killing him.... or possibly Sayid.Agreeing with you. I predict Fake-Henry will render AL unconcious and Sayid will save the day before he can wreck total carnage.



I'm feeling nostalgic for Artzt. It was about this time last season when they pulled him from redshirt status only to blow him up. Still the best line of the series is Hurley telling Jack, "Dude, you got a little...Artzt...on you."Funny, I thought Hurley's best line was..

*KA-BOOM!!--splatter--splatter--splatter*

"..Dude."

Some Easter candids of Evangeline with her bunny ears on. Too cute!

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8500/bunny03custom5kk.th.jpg (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bunny03custom5kk.jpg)

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/1549/bunny08custom0zc.th.jpg (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bunny08custom0zc.jpg)

Don't mess with this bunny!
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That is one lucky hobbit.


BTW, the ABC site says new episode next week, not May.. . .?

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index.html

Markd

Geez... check out the basket on that rabbit! I'd like to put my... uh.. egg... in that basket. yeah, egg. That's the ticket.

Wowza, she should be a playboy bunny ;)

and then the defenseless beings went their own way, one became a Director at CTU; one became a heroine addict Lost on an island, and the other became Jeffrey Dahmer in B&W :rolleyes:
I didn't think that he was addicted to Kate, thought she is more of an anti-heroine.

I think you are talking about this - open in a browser
Oh that thing? That was just Underdog. He heard Shannon screaming and thought it was Sweet Polly Purebred yelling for help....

I thought there was another shot of the engine - from the side - where the [smoke] was mucking about in front and then sucked [or purposely dove] through?

v/r,
C-F

That is one lucky hobbit.


BTW, the ABC site says new episode next week, not May.. . .?

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index.html

Markd

That would be a "clip" show. Let's use clips from previous episodes to make an all new episode.

That would be a "clip" show. Let's use clips from previous episodes to make an all new episode.

where did you confirm this? ABC says more info is forthcoming, rather than backing up your claim.

Of course I remember how popular this technique was in the 80's and 90's. It ranked right there with "A very special episode" on the sitcoms and family dramas.

Geez... check out the basket on that rabbit! I'd like to put my... uh.. egg... in that basket. yeah, egg. That's the ticket.

Almost defies reality, doesn't it? When 1/3 of American women are obese, it is nearly the holy grail.

where did you confirm this? ABC says more info is forthcoming, rather than backing up your claim.

Of course I remember how popular this technique was in the 80's and 90's. It ranked right there with "A very special episode" on the sitcoms and family dramas.

They did the same thing last season on Lost.

The May 3rd show starts off right where the last episode left off:

After finding an exhausted Michael in the forest Jack and Kate.......

where did you confirm this? ABC says more info is forthcoming, rather than backing up your claim.

Of course I remember how popular this technique was in the 80's and 90's. It ranked right there with "A very special episode" on the sitcoms and family dramas.
It's listed as "S" for special at epguides.com

Here's what my local channel guide says:

7 WJLA: Wednesday, April 26 8:00 PM
Drama, Adventure, Mystery

Reckoning
A revealing look at how faith has guided the destinies of the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815.

Cast: Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, Naveen Andrews, Emilie de Ravin, Matthew Fox, Jorge Garcia, Josh Holloway, Malcolm David Kelley, Daniel Dae Kim, Yunjin Kim, Evangeline Lilly, Dominic Monaghan, Terry O'Quinn, Harold Perrineau, Michelle Rodriguez, Cynthia Watros Executive Producer(s): J.J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof, Bryan Burk

Original Air Date: Apr 26, 2006

Here's what my local channel guide says:

7 WJLA: Wednesday, April 26 8:00 PM
Drama, Adventure, Mystery

Reckoning
A revealing look at how faith has guided the destinies of the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815.

Cast: Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, Naveen Andrews, Emilie de Ravin, Matthew Fox, Jorge Garcia, Josh Holloway, Malcolm David Kelley, Daniel Dae Kim, Yunjin Kim, Evangeline Lilly, Dominic Monaghan, Terry O'Quinn, Harold Perrineau, Michelle Rodriguez, Cynthia Watros Executive Producer(s): J.J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof, Bryan Burk

Original Air Date: Apr 26, 2006

Yes, that's what TiVo guide also shows. Does that mean that next week's episode is a new "backstory" ??

Looks like a re-cap episode to me.

Was the episode info supposed to say "fate" instead of "faith" ??

Confusion. :confused:

Direct from TitanTV:
A recap of previous episodes focusing on the characters' personality traits and beliefs (particularly Locke's and Michael's), and on the effect of the power of love on Hurley and Libby, and Sun and Jin. The hour also explores the romantic triangle involving Kate, Jack and Sawyer

The hour also explores the romantic triangle involving Kate, Jack and Sawyer

Hard to call kissing one guy and being coerced into kissing another a "romantic triangle".

Hard to call kissing one guy and being coerced into kissing another a "romantic triangle".

Where have you been this season?

http://television.aol.com/feature/tv_love_triangles

Where have you been this season?

http://television.aol.com/feature/tv_love_triangles

Same thing at that link. I don't consider it a "triangle" until at least 3 people are knocking boots.

I think you are talking about this - open in a browserHmmm, was there more than one engine that exploded? It's been a long time back now, but I only remember the one that exploded when the guy was sucked back into it. This is clearly not that one. Either this is another that I don't remember, or this is a phony that someone ginned up...

Also, it actually looked more like Superman than Underdog to me....


ron

With ABC selling "commercial free" episodes of "Lost" on iTunes, and giving them away free with commercials on their own website beginning in May, can it be far behind that they will market "pre-broadcast" showings for a premium fee, say $2.99 for a 48 hour advance showing???

Good idea? Bad idea? Would you buy into it, or wait for the broadcast showing, and would you avoid the obvious problem of "spoilers" on websites such as this, or would your curiousity kill you?

How much could ABC make off those who couldn't wait, and overall would it hurt or add more to the show's overall bottom line.

As good as "Lost" is when it's fresh, it's value in syndicated reruns is nil.

With ABC selling "commercial free" episodes of "Lost" on iTunes, and giving them away free with commercials on their own website beginning in May, can it be far behind that they will market "pre-broadcast" showings for a premium fee, say $2.99 for a 48 hour advance showing???

Good idea? Bad idea? Would you buy into it, or wait for the broadcast showing, and would you avoid the obvious problem of "spoilers" on websites such as this, or would your curiousity kill you?

How much could ABC make off those who couldn't wait, and overall would it hurt or add more to the show's overall bottom line.

As good as "Lost" is when it's fresh, it's value in syndicated reruns is nil.

I'm pretty sure that someone is actually doing that already, I just can't remember who it is - going to research it now!

[QUOTE=Drifty]Some Easter candids of Evangeline with her bunny ears on. Too cute!

Why no license plate on that Jeep?

As good as "Lost" is when it's fresh, it's value in syndicated reruns is nil.

I don't know if it would have no value. The season 1 DVD sales were pretty good and that's not "fresh".

I don't know if it would have no value. The season 1 DVD sales were pretty good and that's not "fresh".

Agreed. Star Wars is still good even after I know who Luke's father is. I don't think I'd buy Sixth Sense on DVD though. For a show like Lost, the journey's as good as the destination.

Does anyone know when we will be getting a new episode?

Does anyone know when we will be getting a new episode?

Yes, and if you'll just read back a few posts, so will you. :rolleyes:

I don't know if it would have no value. The season 1 DVD sales were pretty good and that's not "fresh".
Serial style shows typically have lower syndication revenue returns, plus, I believe the only real money in syndication is when you've got 100 eps to sell which is roughly 5-6 seasons.

That's one reason why the L&O's are at the top of the heap for syndication revenue, self contained eps and there's a lot of them.

Well, damnit, if they won't give me an episode tonight, I'll just watch what I have on ITunes. I laughed all over again when Locke said "We're gonna have to watch that again."

Because of the distortion of the Orientation film, I didn't get exactly what it was Alvar Hanso's credentials were. I got that he funded the research center, but I thought it said something about him being in emissions. Yes, I know that isn't right. What is?

On the 108 counter, the hundreds digit is capable of other values than 1. I was watching the first time Jack pushes Execute, and it rolls thru other values.

I also had forgotten how much he talked to Desmond. Amongst other things, Jack asked him where his food came from, which Desmond did not answer. Jack asked good questions back then, and this episode is in Season 2.

Another interesting thing Desmond said was "this is an electromagnetic station...every time I walk past that wall, my fillings hurt." Maybe the process counterbalances the electronic force generated in that location, and nothing else. Perhaps the force becomes too powerful, or out of useful range, or something only an engineer or scientist could appreciate, if it isn't periodically counterbalanced.

It was only Desmond's opinion that something dire might happen if the counter wasn't reset. He didn't actually know.

Is it rumor that Desmond's coming back this season, or has a production person said so?

Does anyone believe The Others DON'T have Walt? I was wondering, why is he wet when Shannon sees him? Perhaps he jumped off their boat and swam to shore, and is now hiding? When she first sees him, he tells her, "Ssshh." Those two clues...

When Desmond is talking to Jack at the stadium when they first meet, he says "what if you did fix her?" And again, "But what if you did?" Turns out, Jack DID fix her. Coincidence?

Desmond seemed truly surprised when he finally remembered who Jack was. Still, other than those passengers who saw each other in Australia (Shannon and Boone see Sawyer in the police station, Hurley and Libby), Desmond is the only one who meets Jack on the island. Their situation is a bit different. I really do think there is a bit more to Desmond. But what?

Why no license plate on that Jeep?

What Jeep? ;)


It's on the.... what for it.... THE HATCH! :eek:

Is it rumor that Desmond's coming back this season, or has a production person said so?

Check out the spoiler thread if you really, really want to know.... ;)

Does anyone believe The Others DON'T have Walt? I was wondering, why is he wet when Shannon sees him? Perhaps he jumped off their boat and swam to shore, and is now hiding? When she first sees him, he tells her, "Ssshh." Those two clues...

Henry says "They'll never give you Walt"

Henry says "They'll never give you Walt"

True, perhaps because they don't have him to give. I'm just trying to discover plausible reasons for why he was wet. He never got into the water while being grabbed off the raft. Maybe because a dripping ghost is just creepy? Also, Henry could be lying more.

True, perhaps because they don't have him to give. I'm just trying to discover plausible reasons for why he was wet. He never got into the water while being grabbed off the raft. Maybe because a dripping ghost is just creepy? Also, Henry could be lying more.

I agree a drippy wet 'vision' is way creepy... unless it's Kate, then it's way hot. :D

Q, you know you can delete your double post.

Q, you know you can delete your double post.

Oh? This is only the 2nd forum I've ever participated in, the first being a motorcycle forum in the late 90's. I need to learn a few tricks like this.

That's Arzt, Leslie Arzt. A little respect for the dead, huh? Sheesh! :D
I think we all liked Arzt because, secretly, we hoped our science teacher would accidently blow himself up in front of the class while lecturing us about safety.

I think we all liked Arzt because, secretly, we hoped our science teacher would accidently blow himself up in front of the class while lecturing us about safety.
Sort of like this guy..?

http://media.putfile.com/03084899
Putfile - 03084899

I think we all liked Arzt because, secretly, we hoped our science teacher would accidently blow himself up in front of the class while lecturing us about safety.

Was there any indication how old the Black Rock, and its dynamite were? I briefly entertained the idea that The Others were prisoners on that ship and escaped after the shipwreck, but it made me laugh too much.

Was there any indication how old the Black Rock, and its dynamite were? I briefly entertained the idea that The Others were prisoners on that ship and escaped after the shipwreck, but it made me laugh too much.

It was a big ol' wooden masted slave ship and dynamite was invented in 1866, so figure between 100 and 150 years old.

The interesting mystery is how it got there. The "electromagnetic properties" of the island, which may have played a part in bringing down airplanes, would presumably have been less effective on a wooden sailing ship.

It was a big ol' wooden masted slave ship and dynamite was invented in 1866, so figure between 100 and 150 years old.

The interesting mystery is how it got there. The "electromagnetic properties" of the island, which may have played a part in bringing down airplanes, would presumably have been less effective on a wooden sailing ship.

.. unless the EM field became so strong that it warped the space-time continuum, and teleported the ship through time..

The only problem with that crazy theory is this: Didn't Rousseau refer to the Black Rock as her ship that crashed on to the island?

What gives? :confused: What were Rousseau's research team doing sailing to the Antipodes in a rickety old slave ship?

The only problem with that crazy theory is this: Didn't Rousseau refer to the Black Rock as her ship that crashed on to the island?


No, she never referred to the Black Rock as her ship; in fact, she never referred to it as a ship at all, which is why it was such a surprise when she led them to it. Hers was a "scientific research" vessel.

No, she never referred to the Black Rock as her ship; in fact, she never referred to it as a ship at all, which is why it was such a surprise when she led them to it. Hers was a "scientific research" vessel.

If I remember correctly (IF), I think the conversation went like

This is the Black Rock

This is.. a.. a... a ship !! HTF did the ship get here, onto the island?

Rousseau: We were on a scientific expedition.. Our ship crashed onto this island. After 4 weeks, all the members of my team went apeshit, and I had to whack 'em all.

Anyway, my memory is hazy trying to recollect that sequence, but if the Black Rock was indeed not Rousseau's ship, but another ship from another time, maybe, the incident that Dharma crazies talk about was actually a EMF spike so strong that it grabbed the Black Rock from another point in time?

raaj, you're combining two separate incidences in your mind. Rousseau described her sad history of crashing on the island and having to kill her comrades to Sayid after she first captured and detained him in her "bunker". Then, at a later date, she led a group including Jack, Locke, Hurley, Kate, and Artz to the Black Rock for the dynamite. The two incidents are unrelated, or as unrelated as it gets in Lost.

The interesting mystery is how it got there. The "electromagnetic properties" of the island, which may have played a part in bringing down airplanes, would presumably have been less effective on a wooden sailing ship.Remember the (volcanic) rocks that Bernard was gathering? If the island is indeed volcanic, it has grown (and is growing) over the centuries and likely the reason for the ship being so far inland. Wonder if there'll be any eruptions during their stay.

Anyway, my memory is hazy trying to recollect that sequence

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Rousseau didn't actually say "apeshit". :)

If I remember correctly (IF), I think the conversation went like

This is the Black Rock

This is.. a.. a... a ship !! HTF did the ship get here, onto the island?

Rousseau: We were on a scientific expedition.. Our ship crashed onto this island. After 4 weeks, all the members of my team went apeshit, and I had to whack 'em all.

They actually said "HTF" and "apesh*t"? I missed that. :D

If I remember correctly (IF), I think the conversation went like

This is the Black Rock

This is.. a.. a... a ship !! HTF did the ship get here, onto the island?

Rousseau: We were on a scientific expedition.. Our ship crashed onto this island. After 4 weeks, all the members of my team went apeshit, and I had to whack 'em all.

Anyway, my memory is hazy trying to recollect that sequence, but if the Black Rock was indeed not Rousseau's ship, but another ship from another time, maybe, the incident that Dharma crazies talk about was actually a EMF spike so strong that it grabbed the Black Rock from another point in time?
She had to whack 'em?

Hmm, I thought Roussaeu was French, not Italian.

She had to whack 'em?

Hmm, I thought Roussaeu was French, not Italian.

Whack 'em all:

Short form for "Whack zem all" !!

I didn't forget she was French... :D

Was there any indication how old the Black Rock, and its dynamite were? I briefly entertained the idea that The Others were prisoners on that ship and escaped after the shipwreck, but it made me laugh too much.
Hey that was my favorite theory until it was clear Eko came off of the plane! I thought it would have been cool to have an isolated society descended from would-be slaves who could have developed a religion around the strange happenings on the island.

Remember the (volcanic) rocks that Bernard was gathering? If the island is indeed volcanic, it has grown (and is growing) over the centuries and likely the reason for the ship being so far inland. Wonder if there'll be any eruptions during their stay.

If that ship was only 100 years old, the island probably only grew about 6 inches during that time...unless there was a MAJOR eruption, in which case the ship would be destroyed.

Hey that was my favorite theory until it was clear Eko came off of the plane! I thought it would have been cool to have an isolated society descended from would-be slaves who could have developed a religion around the strange happenings on the island.

Indeed!

It was a big ol' wooden masted slave ship and dynamite was invented in 1866, so figure between 100 and 150 years old.

The interesting mystery is how it got there. The "electromagnetic properties" of the island, which may have played a part in bringing down airplanes, would presumably have been less effective on a wooden sailing ship.

It isn't important when it was first used, but rather when it was LAST used. And wooden masted ships still sail. Last time I saw tall ships, it was a tall ship parade out of Sydney harbour, actually, circa 1997. Quite amazing.

It's been said before, but jets are made of aluminum and titanium, not steel. Maybe a compass would be affected, but not alot else.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Rousseau didn't actually say "apeshit". :)

You know, Rousseau deserved the Henry Gale treatment -- where's HER ship? Where're HER graves? If her ship was anything like giant jet engines and landing gear, simple tides could've hauled it out to sea.

You know, Rousseau deserved the Henry Gale treatment -- where's HER ship? Where're HER graves? If her ship was anything like giant jet engines and landing gear, simple tides could've hauled it out to sea.

Maybe Anna Lucia will suspect Rousseau in due time, when she knows a bit more about her interaction with the Losties.

After she captured and tortured Sayid they probably decided not to mess with Rousseau.

After she captured and tortured Sayid they probably decided not to mess with Rousseau.

In the first season, when they tracked down Claire's baby to Rousseau, they could have roughed her up, but I think the Losties sympathized with her situation. Now that they have guns (plenty of them), they probably don't have to fear to question her, when the time comes.

Now that they have guns (plenty of them)....
They HAD plenty of guns... did you forget?

They HAD plenty of guns... did you forget?

No.. I said they sympathized with her then, in spite of having guns.. lots of GUNS.

Now, with the whole Henry Gale episode, where the innocent castaways were willing to torture captives under suspicion, they might need to use the "lots of guns" to bring Rousseau in for questioning, if the need arises - I'm not saying it will.

It's all down to the power of suggestion isn't it? Do you think they would have been so tough on Henry if Danielle hadn't put it in their minds that he was a bad guy?

The power of framing means that once people start looking at an issue in a certain way, it's hard to get them to look at it differently.

It's all down to the power of suggestion isn't it? Do you think they would have been so tough on Henry if Danielle hadn't put it in their minds that he was a bad guy?

The power of framing means that once people start looking at an issue in a certain way, it's hard to get them to look at it differently.

Hmmm...this is very thoughtful. You can look at Danielle's introduction of Henry in two different ways. One, as a plot device. A producer has said Henry is "some kind of Other". In doublespeak, anyone that wasn't on the flight is an other, but whatever. Danielle's statement that Henry was an Other just helped the plot move along toward the eventual confrontation we all sense is coming. The second way though is that "symbolic" level that comes from interpreting art, whether intended or not. In Henry's case, Danielle was likely correct, but when you step back and think about the socio-political effect of what she's done, great damage could have resulted if she was wrong. Again, the writers may not have intended it, but I appreciate that Lost can operate on this more artistic social level. For me, a guy that doesn't care for much TV, Lost wins precisely because it is thought provoking and may reflect greater society in unexpected ways.

I have seen nothing that stretches credulity about Rousseau being a plant.
Aaron might have needed a booster shot when she took him...
She has positioned herself as a fairly effective foil...
[Henry] could be part of a plan...
Kids rebel, so could Alex...

v/r,
C-F

Quino - have you been reading the margin notes in the Teacher's Edition again?

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Quino - have you been reading the margin notes in the Teacher's Edition again?

I once pined for higher brow posts in this forum, thinking it was all a part of the greater intellect required to be an audio or videophile. That got smacked down a bit. You've surely read more stereotypical posts in other entertainment-based forums. Extreme profanity and flaming, horrid grammar, lame or lazy observations. I'm no tweedy type, but I do think Lost has more to offer than McGyver. It begs to be analyzed, and the writers are well known fans of literature. I find a good mix here.

Or perhaps I'm just trying to keep everyone going during this break.

I once pined for higher brow posts in this forum, thinking it was all a part of the greater intellect required to be an audio or videophile. That got smacked down a bit. You've surely read more stereotypical posts in other entertainment-based forums. Extreme profanity and flaming, horrid grammar, lame or lazy observations. I'm no tweedy type, but I do think Lost has more to offer than McGyver. It begs to be analyzed, and the writers are well known fans of literature. I find a good mix here.

Or perhaps I'm just trying to keep everyone going during this break.

It's "MacGyver" - a true audio/videophile would have known that. ;)

I wonder if Mensa has a 'LOST' forum on their website? :rolleyes:

Hmmm...this is very thoughtful. You can look at Danielle's introduction of Henry in two different ways. One, as a plot device. A producer has said Henry is "some kind of Other". In doublespeak, anyone that wasn't on the flight is an other, but whatever. Danielle's statement that Henry was an Other just helped the plot move along toward the eventual confrontation we all sense is coming. The second way though is that "symbolic" level that comes from interpreting art, whether intended or not. In Henry's case, Danielle was likely correct, but when you step back and think about the socio-political effect of what she's done, great damage could have resulted if she was wrong. Again, the writers may not have intended it, but I appreciate that Lost can operate on this more artistic social level. For me, a guy that doesn't care for much TV, Lost wins precisely because it is thought provoking and may reflect greater society in unexpected ways.

After reading your comment, I'm not so sure I like this program anymore. ............... Thought I liked it, but guess I don't! ............. "....... symbolic level that comes from interpreting art, whether intended or not....; socio-political effect.....; more artistic social level..........; ............." YUCK!! You're "a guy that doesn't care for much TV" AND WANTS EVERYONE TO KNOW IT. .......... Just the news and public television, I suppose.

For me, a guy that doesn't care for much TV, Lost wins precisely because it is thought provoking and may reflect greater society in unexpected ways.
You should give Battlestar Galactica a try, it blows Lost away in it's socio-political symbolism.

After reading your comment, I'm not so sure I like this program anymore. ............... Thought I liked it, but guess I don't! ............. "....... symbolic level that comes from interpreting art, whether intended or not....; socio-political effect.....; more artistic social level..........; ............." YUCK!! You're "a guy that doesn't care for much TV" AND WANTS EVERYONE TO KNOW IT. .......... Just the news and public television, I suppose.Not to worry Stan. Somehow I think the socio-political symbolism will not be impacting your viewing. Kate is hot!


ron

You should give Battlestar Galactica a try, it blows Lost away in it's socio-political symbolism.

Indeed. That Peabody Award winning show is probably the most topical thing going on TV right now. They tackle a wide variety of issues facing us today (as good sci-fi does), with sometimes surprising results. Well, not right now; they're between seasons - back in October (too long! :( ).

Yeah that sucks, and SciFi still ain't in HD. The show is so compelling though that it's near impossible to wait for the HD broadcasts.

Not to worry Stan. Somehow I think the socio-political symbolism will not be impacting your viewing. Kate is hot!


ron

Heh-heh!

You should give Battlestar Galactica a try, it blows Lost away in it's socio-political symbolism.

My brother gives it high marks. I hate coming into a good show late, but now that TV on DVD is more common, it is easier. That's, after all, how I caught up with Lost!

I wonder if Mensa has a 'LOST' forum on their website? :rolleyes:

I would bet there are some Mensans that are also AVS members. The question is, can Mensans be bothered with Lost? Many Dharmites are Mensans, I hear.

my gf's dad goes to china for work and he came back with the complete 2nd season. anyone else heard of this. i was like whoaa stay away from that im waiting like everyone else. it adds to the suspense to wait

my gf's dad goes to china for work and he came back with the complete 2nd season. anyone else heard of this. i was like whoaa stay away from that im waiting like everyone else. it adds to the suspense to wait
How'd he come back with the complete 2nd season? I thought they were just finishing up some eps.

my gf's dad goes to china for work and he came back with the complete 2nd season. anyone else heard of this. i was like whoaa stay away from that im waiting like everyone else. it adds to the suspense to wait

your gf's dad is FOS.

Considering they had at least 15 days left of shooting as of April 17th, don't expect the last episodes to have the American cast you've come to know and love. :)

she started watching the last episode (stupid) and i yelled at her and told her to stop but she said it looked legit

Whoa, that would be cool, to suddenly switch to an all Chinese cast in the middle of an episode. :)