Anybody notice Saywer was reading the manuscript for the book that is written by a fictional character that died aboard the plane?

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Mang!! Just keeping track of this thread is time consuming enough, and now they had to go and open this website. The next thing I know, there will be a million posts in this thread by the morning. :(

I can't keep up. I should probably just give up this obsession. Anyway, nice episode tonight.

Supposedly there is going to be a deleted scene on Good Morning America Thursday morning? It was announced during a commercial early in the broadcast.

Uhhh....I am speechless on tonight's eisode!

Can anyone recall during the medical hatch episode, were there any dirty/canvas type "others" clothes in the lockers where they found the fake beard?

I'm just curious because clearly, the guys in the medical hatch, Zeke for instance, had quite nice clothes during that episode. So are there two groups of others, one with crap clothes, and ones with nicer clothes? Or is Michael just BSing when he told his story?

I think I watched an altered episode! Please tell me I'm right!!!!

Can anyone recall during the medical hatch episode, were there any dirty/canvas type "others" clothes in the lockers where they found the fake beard?

I'm just curious because clearly, the guys in the medical hatch, Zeke for instance, had quite nice clothes during that episode. So are there two groups of others, one with crap clothes, and ones with nicer clothes? Or is Michael just BSing when he told his story?

Michael shoots himself in the arm for what I can see as only one reason -- to say he was a victim in a shootout that also claimed the two women. The shootings were knee-jerk reactions, he had no agenda to shoot them. However, he wouldn't have been able to release Henry otherwise. Now, if no one lives, he can say he was caught in the crossfire. That leads us to his invitation to fight The Others. In the context of the shooting, it must be considered a ploy. Kate already knows their dress in front of her, Jack and Sawyer in the clearing was a sham, and told Jack so during the last episode before they got caught in the net. There was a shot of her face when Michael described the encampment, I'd hope Kate would call out Michael to Jack when they're alone. It's going to be tricky, for certain.

I think I watched an altered episode! Please tell me I'm right!!!!

Well, claim something lucid, and I'll see what I can do.

what exactly happened? michael came back and blew the drunk chicks away.

I'm guessing he's "sick?"

Who was the mom i.e. woman that jack's dad went to see in Sydney? Was she on the show before?

Few thoughts ...

I think Anna Lucia was going to name her baby "Sarah." And that is what Jack's dad named Anna when they gave each other names.

I believe Anna is dead, but Libby is probably alive. Someone posted earlier about "Kevlar" she was holding, which is a possiblity, or the bullets went in non-vital areas so she will still be alive. Kevlar doesn't explain why she lay motionless on the floor, especially if shot in the hips/legs (unless she is faking, which would be a difficult thing to do in that unexpected situation).

I think there are two groups of "others" on the island. The real "dirty" folks who live primitively, in tents, as Michael described, and then the scientists/clean folks like Ethan/Goodwin/Henry/Zeke, etc. who sometimes masquerade as the dirty others. The clean others want to kill off the dirty others and want the Losties to do it for them. Some reason why the clean folks can't do it themselves, which I don't know at this point, but the clean others want the losties to do it for them. Michael was captured by the clean others and either was brainwashed or told the only way to get his boy back is to use his group to kill off these dirty others. Michael wouldn't have any love loss for killing off Anna Lucia, or Libby, for that matter, as they were back section folk. Shooting Libby seemed like something unexpected, but Michael sure didn't hesitate.

Anyway, just a guess on that last paragraph about two groups of others, but that would explain Michael's actions. Can't wait to see what the next 3 episodes hold. This is one heck of a way to start sweeps month.

Well, claim something lucid, and I'll see what I can do.It says NO SPOILERS..course the above post for one!


This was the biggest jawdropper yet on LOST! BAR NONE!

My DVR cut off right after Ana Lucia was shot. What happened after?

My DVR cut off right after Ana Lucia was shot. What happened after?
Libby came in with the blankets for the picnic with Hurley over her stomach, Michael shoots her there, he gets a look of terror in his face, she collapses, Michael walks to the locker, unlocks it, opens it, looks at Henry, Henry gets up, Michael shoots himself in the arm, and fade to black...

Did anyone watch the video clip at this link?
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The interviewer mentions the hanso foundation.

Libby came in with the blankets for the picnic with Hurley over her stomach, Michael shoots her there
I heard what I thought was wine bottles in there and after the shot it sounds like liquid is pouring on the floor.

I love the title for next weeks episode "?"

I heard what I thought was wine bottles in there and after the shot it sounds like liquid is pouring on the floor.
Hurley was supposed to be the one digging up the wine though from Rose and Bernard. I'll look at that part again though.

Edit: Nope, I don't hear anything like that and there's no liquid to be seen on the floor either.

Did Henry say to Anna 'You killed 2 people' or 'You killed 2 of our people'?

So was the blonde at the "daughters" house in Sydney Claire's mom? Are Claire and Jack half siblings?

:confused:

Heck I thought the lady was Claire at first. So yeah, I'll vote with you on sister and brother.

Hurley was supposed to be the one digging up the wine though from Rose and Bernard. I'll look at that part again though.

Edit: Nope, I don't hear anything like that and there's no liquid to be seen on the floor either.
There was water dripping onto the floor behind Libby after she was shot. I have no idea what it came from, though.

Scott

I believe Anna is dead, but Libby is probably alive. Someone posted earlier about "Kevlar" she was holding, which is a possiblity, or the bullets went in non-vital areas so she will still be alive.One of the bullet holes was directly over her intestines. That is one of the most dangerous and painful places to be shot. Without some serious operating equipment for Jack to work with, I don't see here (realistically) surviving the wound.

Scott

Did Henry say to Anna 'You killed 2 people' or 'You killed 2 of our people'?
"You killed 2 of us...good people who were leaving you alone. You're the killer...Ana Lucia."

But then I'm confused, who else did she kill on the island that would have been an Other? Does this mean the person she shot when she was a cop was an Other?

There was water dripping onto the floor behind Libby after she was shot. I have no idea what it came from, though.

Scott
Yeah, that definitely wasn't coming from her though, it was coming from the ceiling.

Wow, two major characters die brutal deaths on Alias then three die on Lost. :eek:

Is ABC trying to lower payroll expenses at the end of the season?

Wow, two major characters die brutal deaths on Alias then three die on Lost. :eek:

Is ABC trying to lower payroll expenses at the end of the season?
Three didn't die on Lost, 2 at most since Michael only shot himself in the shoulder. And I'm betting Libby probably isn't dead.

Finally someone hooks up on the island and no discussion about it? :)
Yeah, Sawyer and and uh oh yeah.

At least there's still Hurley and Lib... oh yeah.

Um, Jack and Kate are still around, aren't they? :confused:

Three didn't die on Lost, 2 at most since Michael only shot himself in the shoulder. And I'm betting Libby probably isn't dead.
I'm betting that if they weren't dead yet, "Harry" is gonna make sure they're real dead before he escapes.

Many references to drinking throughout the entire episode - and apparently end with bad consequences for them.
Also so far, if you think about or have unmarried sex and you get killed too...
Makes you wonder if RedShirt and Artz were having a drunken fling?

vegggas

Three didn't die on Lost, 2 at most since Michael only shot himself in the shoulder. And I'm betting Libby probably isn't dead.

Yeah, it would be kind of lame if they killed off Libby without ever explaining her mental hospital appearance.

First flashback where AL pulls the police car into a parking spot.
Car numbers on rooftops from left to right:
04, 08, 15, 16, 23, 42

vegggas

Wow, two major characters die brutal deaths on Alias then three die on Lost. :eek:

Is ABC trying to lower payroll expenses at the end of the season?


THANKS!!!!!!! :mad: I haven't watched Alias yet. :rolleyes:

I'm betting that if they weren't dead yet, "Harry" is gonna make sure they're real dead before he escapes.
Well, if you look at the preview, you'll see at least Michael survives.

First flashback where AL pulls the police car into a parking spot.
Car numbers on rooftops from left to right:
04, 08, 15, 16, 23, 42

vegggas
Indeed, was just getting ready to put screenshots of that up.

http://kjordan.net/copnumbersthumb.jpg (http://kjordan.net/copnumbers.jpg)

So let me get this straight. AL executes some guy when she was a cop. She's been a hardass on the island, no problem torturing people.

Then she screws Sawyer to steal a gun so she can kill Henry. But she can't do it?

That's some coherent character development.

what was that ABC commercial for 1-800-HANSO or something right during the last commercial break? Anyone call it?

what was that ABC commercial for 1-800-HANSO or something right during the last commercial break? Anyone call it?
1-877-HANSORG I believe.

I cant believe that nobody has discussed all the people that were in the 1 backstory tonite. We now know why AL was in Sydney, she was there with Jacks Dad, she was in the car with him when he nearly took out SAWYER in the parking lot of the bar they end up talking in for awhile, mostly about Jack. Ofcourse no names were spoken by Jacks dad, so Jack will never find out that AL knew his dad, or that he may have a half sister, or someone in Australia, and that was why he went there. We also saw Jin standing on line behind Jack and infront of AL when he was telling the airline lady about getting the coffin back to the states for buriel.
I still cant believe that AL and Libby were shot, maybe dead, but I just had a feeling that Michael couldmt have been gone from the group for that long and not ran into the others. I beleive now that his whole story was BS and that he is working with the OTHERS, because they believe he is a good one, remember it wasnt his idea to give up his son, his exwife ran away with him. All he ever wanted was to take care of him. Should make for some great few shows.
So far this week has been incredible, Sopranos is getting better, Prison break ,24 and CSI Miami were awesome like always, Paris is gone from American Idol, and ALIAS and LOST Rocked tonite. Cap it off with CSI Vegas, Las Vegas and #s and week is perfect. Night all
Wg

AL killed Goodwin, and didn't she kill one of the others with a rock, in the first raid on the other side of the Island?

I cant believe that nobody has discussed all the people that were in the 1 backstory tonite. We now know why AL was in Sydney, she was there with Jacks Dad, she was in the car with him when he nearly took out SAWYER in the parking lot of the bar they end up talking in for awhile, mostly about Jack. Ofcourse no names were spoken by Jacks dad, so Jack will never find out that AL knew his dad, or that he may have a half sister, or someone in Australia, and that was why he went there. We also saw Jin standing on line behind Jack and infront of AL when he was telling the airline lady about getting the coffin back to the states for buriel.

Well, we already knew Jin was in line previously. And we already knew Sawyer was getting drunk with Jack's father, and it was a nice touch to see him bump into the door like that. Sawyer figured it out easily enough that he was drinking with Jack's father, and AL looked like she knew that that was his son. He had mentioned to both AL and Sawyer that he had been a doctor and had cut off his doctor son after he got him barred. Why didn't AL bring it up before? Well, it would have been rather odd for us to hear that and then they'd have to bring the flashback in. Too bad she's dead now. But we might hear more of this half sister later.

It appears as if all the "talies" are dead or going to die except for Bernard.

I wonder if they went on a bender when they found out they were going to be killed off....or if they were killed off for going on the bender.

There was an article today from AP concerning an interview with the producers who swear that they had already plotted out this turn of events before AL's brush with the law. They claim that it only looks like they were trying to make a point, but that the timing is unintentional.

"You killed 2 of us...good people who were leaving you alone. You're the killer...Ana Lucia."

But then I'm confused, who else did she kill on the island that would have been an Other? Does this mean the person she shot when she was a cop was an Other?

When Henry said "you" he meant the plural you, as in the taillies. Anna killed Goodwin and Eko killed someone.

I can imagine an interesting story line coming with respect to Hurley. . .

Hurley sees Libby lying on the ground looking like a mess, and he remembers where he knows her from. But given his history of mental illness, no-one believes him and it pushes him over the edge.

. Too bad she's dead now. But we might hear more of this half sister later.
Hmmm, who could be Jack's half sister? Are there any Australian girls, maybe with blond hair like her mothers, on the island?

Hmmm, who could be Jack's half sister? Are there any Australian girls, maybe with blond hair like her mothers, on the island?
Must be Charlie! She's just faking being British ;)

But seriously, if it is Claire, wonder how they'll go about confirming it.

Hmmm, who could be Jack's half sister? Are there any Australian girls, maybe with blond hair like her mothers, on the island?

Are you serious?

Although Jack's dad probably didn't know it, Claire wasn't living with her mother in her back story. She was living with her boyfriend, who ditched her when she got pregnant. Jack's dad seems to be expecting a younger child, and the mother drove him off too.

If he'd been sending money, and knew the correct address, it implies he has at least some sort of civil relationship with the mother. I wonder why she was so unaccomodating?

Are you serious?

Although Jack's dad probably didn't know it, Claire wasn't living with her mother in her back story. She was living with her boyfriend, who ditched her when she got pregnant. Jack's dad seems to be expecting a younger child, and the mother drove him off too.

If he'd been sending money, and knew the correct address, it implies he has at least some sort of civil relationship with the mother. I wonder why she was so unaccomodating?
Guess she liked the money and never expected to see him again.

When Henry said "you" he meant the plural you, as in the taillies. Anna killed Goodwin and Eko killed someone.

Actually, she killed one of the Others with a rock to the head when they were raiding the Tailies camp and grabbing people--that's who they found the list of names on, and realized the Others knew their names somehow. Later, she figured out Goodwin was not on the plane, and killed him. Both of those killings were during a struggle, I would even say self defense. You can say the same for when she shot Shannon, she thought they were being attacked.

Now, obviously she plotted out the execution of her attacker in LA, but she had a tremendous amount of hatred for him as his shooting her caused her to lose her baby, lose her fiance, not to mention the physical toll she went through after being shot. So now she is attacked by Henry and is pissed enough to want to kill him, but when it comes down to it, she finds she doesn't have enough hatred towards him to do it? I find that believable. Psychologically, he's not done anything like the guy in LA did to her. If she'd had the gun while Henry was trying to strangle her, I'm sure he'd be dead. But to shoot him while he's tied to the ground and defenseless--she just couldn't do it. She doesn't revere life enough to prevent her from giving the gun to Michael when he states he'll kill Henry though. I thought that was interesting. Not to mention that she should realize the value of a hostage that still has information for them.

Yeah, it would be kind of lame if they killed off Libby without ever explaining her mental hospital appearance.

If LIBBY ISN'T dead then how does Michael get his plan rolling???

If LIBBY ISN'T dead then how does Michael get his plan rolling???

I think Libby was the one that signed to do the sitcom pilot. She has a sitcom history, so it wouldn't surprise me.

It's a shame too, because I was interested in learning about her mental backstory.

I had a feeling Mike was going to double cross everyone and free Henry, but I didn't think he'd shoot Anna Lucia like that. Even though I expected her to leave the show. I guess, in the end, she found her absolution.

Even if Libby is dead (and I think that is probable) she can make appearances in flashbacks. I hope she does because I want to know more about her as well.

Anyone able to get thru to the 877-HANSOORG number. It's been busy. I even tried when I first got up this morning @ 6am and was never able to get thru.

What does it say when you call?

That sure was a shocker. :eek: :eek: :eek:

At least we won't have to put up with people raggin' on Anna Lucia anymore. ;)

And do you think Libby is dead, or just injured/critical? I don't recall the previews showing for sure. She could be "critical" waiting to wake up and spill the truth any minute, which will add to the story, or, I suppose, she could be dead. (previews didn't show one way or the other, did they?)

AL was on GMA this morning. Said she knew from the beginning as per her contract. She didn't even tell other cast members. As for Libby, I'll post possible spoiler material at the spoiler thread.

AL was on GMA this morning. Said she knew from the beginning as per her contract. She didn't even tell other cast members. As for Libby, I'll post possible spoiler material at the spoiler thread.

Was there also a deleted scene shown on GMA?

Does anyone want to talk about the story Henry gave Locke about his capture sideswiping his mission to come get him? Locke didn't buy it, because later he was conspiring with Jack to follow Michael's lead. Still, I couldn't dismiss it as a lie outright.

But seriously, if it is Claire, wonder how they'll go about confirming it.

That's the problem with killing AL. The backstory provided a wealth of connections to the Losties (not that they'll ever talk to each other :mad: ) that can never be realized now that she's dead.

That's the problem with killing AL. The backstory provided a wealth of connections to the Losties (not that they'll ever talk to each other :mad: ) that can never be realized now that she's dead.

maybe she's not dead? :eek:

If LIBBY ISN'T dead then how does Michael get his plan rolling???

On the previews, they showed Michael in the locked room. I wonder if Libby survived and told the rest of the gang about what happened.

Did Henry say to Anna 'You killed 2 people' or 'You killed 2 of our people'?


She killed one of the Others that 2nd night when they were trying to take people from the beach. She also killed Goodwin.

I get the feeling Libby isn't dead --- yet.

Hurley was talking to Michael in the preview very matter-of-factly, I'd expect him to be more distraught a la Sayid if she was really gone. But it does seem clear from that, that Michael convinces everyone --- at least for awhile ---- that it wasn't he that killed AL and shot Libby. Otherwise Hurley would have a different demaeanor talking to him, I think.

Just speculating.

One interesting thought is that while John believed Henry's story, he was just tagging along Jack and the others as a precaution in order to reach the "Others" to find out the complete truth about all this "go get the good ones" business. In his present -hobbled- condition, he definitely needs the help of Jack and guns to ensure his safety when he comes in contact with the maverick "Others".

And it is possible that Jack might try to revive or stabilize Libby, and leave her in a comatose state in the hatch while the rest of them go after the "Others".

And why is it no one mentions the fake beards, make up kits, etc. as Mike is telling about how the Others are living?

Heck I thought the lady was Claire at first. So yeah, I'll vote with you on sister and brother.

Who is Claire?

Guess she liked the money and never expected to see him again.

We'll he was drunk and it was the middle of the night. Maybe if he would have called and said he was coming, been sober, and come in the daytime, it would have been ok.

Who is Claire?


Are you new to the show?

Who is Claire?
She's the blond Australian girl that had the baby, Aaron, and was also taken away to the medical bunker.

She's the blond Australian girl that had the baby, Aaron, and was also taken away to the medical bunker.

I'm losing my mind here..

I kept reading jack's half sister and claire together in some of these posts, and just got totally confused.

Thanks.

ABC really needs to run these episodes consecutively ala 24 next year. Last night I found that I had to stop the recording a fews times so my friend and I could figure out who the heck they were talking about. I had forgotten who Goodwin was and in fact right now can't even put a face to the name. He's the one Michael and Ecko found with the stake in him, right?

He's the one Michael and Ecko found with the stake in him, right?

Yep. That's him.

Thanks. :)

aND SPEAKING OF eCKO - DIDN'T THE PREVIEWS MAKE IT LOOK LIKE HE'S NEXT TO CHECK OUT?

Damn caps lock button!

ABC really needs to run these episodes consecutively ala 24 next year. Last night I found that I had to stop the recording a fews times so my friend and I could figure out who the heck they were talking about. I had forgotten who Goodwin was and in fact right now can't even put a face to the name. He's the one Michael and Ecko found with the stake in him, right?

Last night's episode took so much time for me to sync upto that it made me wonder if I was watching a rerun of X-files instead of Lost. As has been said a million and one times before, the gaps in the schedule are really bad for a show like this.

Sadly, I did not get the same "feel" of amazement and awe about the greatness of the show that I had while watching the episodes of the first season end-to-end on the DVD. The gaps in the schedule are not too kind for a show of this kind. No wonder, Lost is averaging in the bottom half of the Top 10 programs ratings of the week.

On the other hand, 24 - in spite of all its silliness and absurdity - continues to draw in huge audiences each week because people feel the continuity.

Note to the knuckleheads at ABC: Preserve the continuity of a show, and learn to persevere instead of killing the golden goose. Plan better for the next season. :mad:

I just got through to the phone number. Unfortunately after I listened to second message it hung up on me. I wanted to try entering extension 108, etc.

I listed to Hanso's voicemail message and it was a women saying something along the lines of "who is hanso and where is he?"

aND SPEAKING OF eCKO - DIDN'T THE PREVIEWS MAKE IT LOOK LIKE HE'S NEXT TO CHECK OUT?


Yep, which to me says Mr Eko will be sticking around. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe they've ever shown a castmember's death in the preview from the previous week. Wouldn't be the first time that they try to mislead the audience in the preview.

Yep, which to me says Mr Eko will be sticking around. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe they've ever shown a castmember's death in the preview from the previous week. Wouldn't be the first time that they try to mislead the audience in the preview.
I agree - not the first time they've tried to misdirect by use of previews.

On the other hand, Eko is the guy who has killed more than one of the others if that's one of their criteria.

THANKS!!!!!!! :mad: I haven't watched Alias yet. :rolleyes:
Jeez, I didn't say who dies. :rolleyes:

Is there any chance that Libby is in on it with Michael? I've seen all the episodes, but I don't remember there being any proof that she was on the plane. Even if she was, she did have that sinister look at the end of the mental hospital episode. I'm guessing she doesn't die, and based on Hurleys reaction to Michael, he doesn't know he shot her. Dunno, maybe she's in a coma and can't rat him out.

Also, we've only seen the "others" on the island so far. It would be cool to see one of them in a flashback. Maybe they have people off the island as moles too. Like Libby in the mental hospital.

I love the title for next weeks episode "?"

That must allude to the central bunker on Locke's map.

There is some good information on the web from producer interviews about what's coming up for the rest of the season.

Also, we've only seen the "others" on the island so far. It would be cool to see one of them in a flashback. Maybe they have people off the island as moles too. Like Libby in the mental hospital.

I suspect that once the Others are revealed we'll eventually see their flashbacks as well. How else are they going to keep this show going for years?!

I suspect that once the Others are revealed we'll eventually see their flashbacks as well. How else are they going to keep this show going for years?!

True. I didn't mean their own flashback though. I meant seeing one in the background at a bar with Jack's dad, etc.

Quino: The GMA deleted scene showed Libby and Hurley doing wind sprints (!) on the beach. He misses his music and suggests they go to the hatch to listen to records. She says that would ruin the mood, having a prisoner there and all. That's it. Nothing important, of course.

But the GMA folks (and MR didn't say otherwise) kept talking about 2 people being killed off so I am not so sure Libby is still alive. I think she's gone. Now Hurley will finally recall where he's seen her, but too late for reminiscenses.

Few thoughts ...

I think there are two groups of "others" on the island. The real "dirty" folks who live primitively, in tents, as Michael described, and then the scientists/clean folks like Ethan/Goodwin/Henry/Zeke, etc. who sometimes masquerade as the dirty others. The clean others want to kill off the dirty others and want the Losties to do it for them. Some reason why the clean folks can't do it themselves, which I don't know at this point, but the clean others want the losties to do it for them. Michael was captured by the clean others and either was brainwashed or told the only way to get his boy back is to use his group to kill off these dirty others. Michael wouldn't have any love loss for killing off Anna Lucia, or Libby, for that matter, as they were back section folk. Shooting Libby seemed like something unexpected, but Michael sure didn't hesitate.



So, maybe clean others = Dharma/Hanso and dirty others = previous "experiment subjects". Perhaps Dharma wants to rid the island of the dirty others for experimental reasons but can't/won't do it themselves as Dharma people are "good" and killing them would make them "bad".

But, if someone else pulls the trigger it's OK.

I see a parallel with Ana Lucia not being able to pull the trigger on Henry but giving the gun to Michael to do it was OK.

Great new website at thehansofoundation.org. Reading about their initiatives gells with a lot of the popular theories. A group of scientists that think they can eliminate all mental illness and birth defects can use this as an excuse for a lot of the bad stuff they do to try to accomplish it (ie human experiments).

The thing I can't get past is the plane crash. I find the theory of the crash memories being successfully planted in everyone's head only slightly less believable than so many surviving a crash.

Quino: The GMA deleted scene showed Libby and Hurley doing wind sprints (!) on the beach. He misses his music and suggests they go to the hatch to listen to records. She says that would ruin the mood, having a prisoner there and all. That's it. Nothing important, of course.

But the GMA folks (and MR didn't say otherwise) kept talking about 2 people being killed off so I am not so sure Libby is still alive. I think she's gone. Now Hurley will finally recall where he's seen her, but too late for reminiscenses.

The whole deleted scene phenomenon, primarily for DVD's, has constantly been a let-down for me. However, I can point to a few examples where they broadened the appeal of a film. For example, those available for "The Mexican" and "Elizabethtown". If I'd watched GMA, I'd've been pissed for being fished in by the teaser from last night. Thanks nevertheless for relaying it.

I get the feeling Libby isn't dead --- yet.

Hurley was talking to Michael in the preview very matter-of-factly, I'd expect him to be more distraught a la Sayid if she was really gone. But it does seem clear from that, that Michael convinces everyone --- at least for awhile ---- that it wasn't he that killed AL and shot Libby. Otherwise Hurley would have a different demaeanor talking to him, I think.

Just speculating.
It'd be funny if Hurley went all Sayid on Michael though

Dude...why'd you shoot Libby?
Dude...my name is Hugo Reyes...and I am a fat man.
Dude...Don't make me sit on you, dude!!

So... does anyone know if Henry is still there in the next episode? Or does Michael shoot himself, let Henry escape, and then try to tell everyone that Henry somehow attacked him, got his gun and shot Michael, then shot the two women on his way out of the hatch?

I would guess that he'll claim that AL went in to shoot him and he got the gun from her and shot all the two women before Michael was able to gain control of the gun and getting shot in the process of disarming him.

Unless he can ditch the gun before anyone comes in - then he'll just say Henry shot all 3 on his way out.

Quick vote:

Libby. Dead or Alive?

Finally someone hooks up on the island and no discussion about it? :)

I did notice that hooking up and getting shot are connected.

OMFG!!!!

Beautiful!

The only complaint I have is that it's so obvious why those two were being killed off...the real world was intruding on the LOST world. Takes you outside the show.I may find out that somebody already posted this after I read the next few pages, but I don't think we can say this at all. These shows are shot and then edited some time back now. I think it's entirely possible, and maybe even more probable, that we may find that the night the two got tagged for DUI they were out drowning their sorrows because they found out earlier in the day their characters had been offed by Michael in the show. Instead of the real world intruding on LOST, LOST was affecting the real world :).


ron

...I think it's entirely possible, and maybe even more probable, that we may find that the night the two got tagged for DUI they were out drowning their sorrows because they found out earlier in the day their characters had been offed by Michael in the show. Instead of the real world intruding on LOST, LOST was affecting the real world :).


...and with what you can imagine their contracts are like, they couldn't let their PR people give it that spin...if that's what happened.

Not that there's any excuse for DUI, but people can understand drowning ones sorrows versus just being an every day lush (or girls gone island wild).

I thought last night's episode was very good, but at the same time I was disappointed. A few days ago I saw the commercial for the final episodes of the season & the voice over said something to the effect of 'there is a traitor in the group'. I looked at my wife & said I sure hope it is not just Michael being the traitor to get Walt back. Sure enough, that is what it appears to be. I am still hoping that the show will throw another curve ball before the end of the season, but Michael's turn was not unexpected. It was very unexpected that he shot two people & himself to help Henry escape.

I guess I need to stop watching any other programming on ABC so that I don't see any stinkin' commercials for Lost.

Libby, if she isn't dead already, will be. The actress is not returning to the show next season.

So... does anyone know if Henry is still there in the next episode? Or does Michael shoot himself, let Henry escape, and then try to tell everyone that Henry somehow attacked him, got his gun and shot Michael, then shot the two women on his way out of the hatch?

I'm going with your latter speculation. I didn't see Henry's face in the preview. I think one question as we approach season's close is, "how far will a man go to secure the safety of his son?"

I may find out that somebody already posted this after I read the next few pages, but I don't think we can say this at all. These shows are shot and then edited some time back now. I think it's entirely possible, and maybe even more probable, that we may find that the night the two got tagged for DUI they were out drowning their sorrows because they found out earlier in the day their characters had been offed by Michael in the show. Instead of the real world intruding on LOST, LOST was affecting the real world :).


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It is back a few posts. MR was on GMA this morning and said she knew going into the show that she was going to be a "short-timer". Don't know about what Cynthia knew in advance.

I may find out that somebody already posted this after I read the next few pages, but I don't think we can say this at all. These shows are shot and then edited some time back now. I think it's entirely possible, and maybe even more probable, that we may find that the night the two got tagged for DUI they were out drowning their sorrows because they found out earlier in the day their characters had been offed by Michael in the show. Instead of the real world intruding on LOST, LOST was affecting the real world :).


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You can read the final answer on this speculation outside this forum in the mainstream media. Rodriguez knew from the beginning, and didn't want to commit to more than a year anyway. The rest is unfortunate circumstance, but the producers have the same attitude as any other managing body in sports and entertainment when their talent goes awry -- their business, not ours.

I'm thinking that there are no real "dirty" Others. The costumes are part of the experiment(s).

The question is whether Michael knows that or not., and whether he is 1) willingly helping the Others, 2) being blackmailed to get Walt back, or 3) if he has been brainwashed/drugged.

Also I'm wondering if Jack is an experimental kid, like Walt, with super powers.

And, open question. could Sun have been impregnated during the failed abduction attempt? Meaning that they didn't want to take her, but were instead implanting her?

ABC really needs to run these episodes consecutively ala 24 next year. Last night I found that I had to stop the recording a fews times so my friend and I could figure out who the heck they were talking about. I had forgotten who Goodwin was and in fact right now can't even put a face to the name. He's the one Michael and Ecko found with the stake in him, right?See? You should be watching all those recap shows so you'd be up to speed on all this stuff ;) :D.


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Finally someone hooks up on the island and no discussion about it? :)How could Sawyer have NOT seen the stolen gun coming? HE'S A CON MAN!!!! He would have been well aware of the gun the whole time.

I'm thinking that there are no real "dirty" Others. The costumes are part of the experiment(s).

The question is whether Michael knows that or not., and whether he is 1) willingly helping the Others, 2) being blackmailed to get Walt back, or 3) if he has been brainwashed/drugged.

Also I'm wondering if Jack is an experimental kid, like Walt, with super powers.

And, open question. could Sun have been impregnated during the failed abduction attempt? Meaning that they didn't want to take her, but were instead implanting her?


I thought it was Charlie that tried to abduct Sun to make it look like it was one of the others.

Last night's episode took so much time for me to sync upto that it made me wonder if I was watching a rerun of X-files instead of Lost. As has been said a million and one times before, the gaps in the schedule are really bad for a show like this.

Sadly, I did not get the same "feel" of amazement and awe about the greatness of the show that I had while watching the episodes of the first season end-to-end on the DVD. The gaps in the schedule are not too kind for a show of this kind. No wonder, Lost is averaging in the bottom half of the Top 10 programs ratings of the week.

On the other hand, 24 - in spite of all its silliness and absurdity - continues to draw in huge audiences each week because people feel the continuity.

Note to the knuckleheads at ABC: Preserve the continuity of a show, and learn to persevere instead of killing the golden goose. Plan better for the next season. :mad: Note to raaj: 24 was #19 last week. IIRC, pretty much it's usual weekly ranking....


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I did notice that hooking up and getting shot are connected.
Just like in horror movies: Sex=death. Except if you're a guy on this show...

The significant thing about 24 is that the ratings are much more attractive since they went to the break-free format. Lost would likely see a similar benefit.

See? You should be watching all those recap shows so you'd be up to speed on all this stuff ;) :D.


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I guess so. :D

The significant thing about 24 is that the ratings are much more attractive since they went to the break-free format. Lost would likely see a similar benefit.
I almost didn't even remember 24 was starting up having waited so long. Perhaps a split season (11 episodes per half) might keep the show fresh in people's minds, but still allow for some continuity. Waiting for 24 until January each season is almost as bad as waiting for the HBO series stuff to come back.

Just like in horror movies: Sex=death. Except if you're a guy on this show...

Also, saying the phrase "I'll be back" is usually not a good sign! hehe

I thought it was Charlie that tried to abduct Sun to make it look like it was one of the others.

It was.

How could Sawyer have NOT seen the stolen gun coming? HE'S A CON MAN!!!! He would have been well aware of the gun the whole time.

Well, after more than 40 days without *it* you can forget about some things if the oportunity approachs. ;)

So Shannon had sex and died. AL had sex and died. Libby was suppose to go to the hidden beach where Shannond had sex with Sayid (and had sex?).

What about Sun? being married saved her? :p

What if the whole Michael trying to get his son back thing is staged... What if he is and has always been a part of the "Others"... and his mission was to get his son on that plane for their experiment... They knew he had no relationship with Walt, so they figured it would be easy for Michael to give him up. Maybe somewhere in the time on the island, Michael finally began to grow a bond with Walt, and decided he wasnt going to give him up so easily. The "Others", growing impatient, decided they had to go get Walt instead of waiting for Walt to be brought to them.

Now that Michael has found them, and maybe he actually HAS seen Walt and now knows whatever they are doing, so his mission is to bring Henry back....

Also, whats up with Henry coming for Locke? No one's speculated on why they want Locke now... or if they've wanted him all along.

Question - Now that this website is out, do you think the show will still be self-contained? That is to say, will someone who loves the show but doesn't go on the web (my mother comes to mind) still be able to follow the show and understand what is going on?

Granted, people who read all the extra stuff out there might know sooner, but wouldn't it be bad if they made the extra stuff required to be "in on it?"

I really hope they don't do that. I would like to enjoy the show WITHOUT requiring homework.

Thoughts?

Also, a friend of mine pointed out that the script Sawyer was reading that is now for sale on Amazon is "BAD TWIN by Gary Troup"

Gary Troup = Purgatory

Well, after more than 40 days without *it* you can forget about some things if the oportunity approachs. ;)

So Shannon had sex and died. AL had sex and died. Libby was suppose to go to the hidden beach where Shannond had sex with Sayid (and had sex?).

What about Sun? being married saved her? :p

I'd say being pregnant saved her... ;)

Apparently it makes a real difference whether it's getting banged up and getting knocked up.

I believe Michael will be uncovered right away as the shooter. Two people shot in the chest outside the closet, one in a sitting position, but blood in the closet? The only survivor has one wound in his arm? It doesn't make sense that Henry would shoot 2 to death outside, but merely wound someone back inside the closet.

I'm having trouble with the "good" and "bad" Others. If this whole series is about how one set of the Others wants the other group dead but uses plane crash victims to do it, I'd be very disappointed. Anyway, it's gotten to the point where the ultimate answer to this mystery had better be pretty dang good.

is anyone having a difficult time pulling up the Hanso site? i can pull up the first page (w/ the Hanso logo etc.) but the second page just shows boxes, no text etc., needless to say it is REALLY aggrivating.

OK, now that I've finally caught up to the end of the thread...

Even though I pointed out to raaj about 24's ranking, I agree that next seasons' format for LOST, however they end up doing it, should be much better for watching and therefore, the ratings.

Last night's ep reinforced my prior feelings that Libby's background at the mental hospital was non Dharma related. Although her shooting did seem to be an unfortunate "in the wrong place at the wrong time", reactionary thing though... She basically has to be dead (or comatose as someone mentioned) to keep Michaels plan going. Didn't we see Jack cleaning/sterilizing some tools earlier? Good timing I guess... Or maybe he was just doing some dishes there :D.

No way Eko falls/gets pushed off the cliff. It had to be the classic LOST preview red herring.

Biggest question to me is whether Michael was "conditioned" to do the deeds via some sort of mental manipulation, or just coerced with "it's the only way you'll get your boy back" pressure. He did say he was sorry to AL before he took her down, so I tend to think the latter is more likely.

Faux Henry Gales comments about "The Man" were interesting.

I watched the opening "LOST" logo again and this time I believe the artifacting was back again.... Are they just messing with my head? Did I imagine it being clean the last couple ep? I think I need a few more Dharma cookies...

All in all, a very good ep IMO.


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You can read the final answer on this speculation outside this forum in the mainstream media. Rodriguez knew from the beginning, and didn't want to commit to more than a year anyway. The rest is unfortunate circumstance, but the producers have the same attitude as any other managing body in sports and entertainment when their talent goes awry -- their business, not ours.

Also on GMA, MR attributed her DUI episode to not being grown up and still thinking kid stuff. Said this was a learning and growing up experience and that she had other paths of opportunity to pursue, therefore agreed in her contract to the short stint at Lost and being offed early. Believable? - I dunno.

Also, for those who espouse the theory that all the Losties were targeted and brought together by the Dharma team for experimentation, doesn't Jack's father bringing AL into the picture distort that? Or maybe they programmed Michael to get rid of this fly in their ointment as she wasn't on the original manifest. I'll subscribe to the latter, for now.

One other thing: I like how Locke is being so protective of keeping the use of his legs. He knows now how all these events are connected and doesn't want to alienate himself from whomever decides that being a "good" person is rewarded, cf: Rose.

There is some good information on the web...

Thanks for narrowing it down for us. ;)

Libby, if she isn't dead already, will be. The actress is not returning to the show next season.

SPOILER ALERT!

It is back a few posts. MR was on GMA this morning and said she knew going into the show that she was going to be a "short-timer". Don't know about what Cynthia knew in advance.Maybe... but the way she wore those low-cut-jeans... what a waste. :mad:

If you listen to the general information extension on the Hanso Foundation number, you'll hear something that will be useful on the web site.

(Hint... try to sign up for the newsletter, and pay a visit with Joop.)

SPOILER ALERT!

I wouldn't call that a spoiler as it's been widely reported that a Lost cast member was signed to do a pilot for a sitcom.

I wouldn't call that a spoiler as it's been widely reported that a Lost cast member was signed to do a pilot for a sitcom.
I disagree. Several major cast members have all but melted into the background except for occasional cameo appearances. There's no reason Libbey couldn't do the same. It wouldn't be a huge deal to fly her out to film her scenes for several episodes all at once, especially since the season is finished. To hear it reported she won't be back is a real spoiler for me, especially since I don't pay attention to Hollywood gossip. That's why we have a non-spoiler thread. If it's not in the show, the previews and now the Hanso Foundation web site (since a plug for it was within the airing of the show), it doesn't belong here. That's the rule.

I don't want to know who will be appearing, who is leaving or is coming back before I see it on the show. Take that stuff to the spoiler thread.

A pilot is nothing, guys -- it's just a pilot, and it may not get picked up -- most pilots don't. Anyone under a current contract can do a pilot, but it would be in "second position" to their current show getting picked up/renewing them/whatever.

Hmm...

If Michael came back with a mission from "The Others" to free Henry or to kill Ana Lucia, why would we believe him when he said that "The Others" are dirty, don't have guns and that they can take them?

And was Henry lying when he said his mission is to get John (who is "good", but good for what)?

Hong.

Hmm...

If Michael came back with a mission from "The Others" to free Henry or to kill Ana Lucia, why would we believe him when he said that "The Others" are dirty, don't have guns and that they can take them?

And was Henry lying when he said his mission is to get John (who is "good", but good for what)?

Hong.
I personally don't believe anything he says. In my opinion, either he's crazy or he's being deceitful. Either way, he's full of manure. The worst thing that could have happened to the losties is him reappearing. Come to think of it, he's no prize for us, either, since no we get "Walt! Walt! They took my boy!" all over again.

http://i2.tinypic.com/x4rhb9.jpg

That's why we have a non-spoiler thread. If it's not in the show, the previews and now the Hanso Foundation web site (since a plug for it was within the airing of the show), it doesn't belong here. That's the rule.

I don't want to know who will be appearing, who is leaving or is coming back before I see it on the show. Take that stuff to the spoiler thread.Hey, I don't even agree with the Hanso Foundation thing. Just because there was an ADVERTISEMENT for it that appeared during the show? :rolleyes: It's not a preview and ads are not part of the show....

The way I see it is that if the producers want to set up these "interactive" on-line things to augment the entertainment of some of the viewers that's fine. But the main problem I have with the whole thing is that there's no way for people to know if it's "necessary info" to fully understand the show that will not be revealed during the actual show in later ep, or if it's just extraneous stuff that people might have fun digging around for. If it's all stuff that's going to be revealed during later ep, I don't want to know about it until then. That's just me.


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Some would say that the Hanso spot was part of the show, for the Lost audience, and was surrounded by ads.

I'd imagine it will only be used to flesh out some details, but will not provide spoiler material for the remaining episodes. If people notice potential spoilers, please don't post them - but as long as it just offers some additional DHARMA/Hanso background, I don't see the harm.

Plus, in less than a month, we'll need something to talk about. :)

ok i figured something out.....click on send joop a message, and in the message and type percephone then click send...watch what happens......

Nothing happened.

No mention of the shot of Locke trying to figure out how to lower the blast door?

He still hasn't mentioned it to anyone, just like when he found the hatch. Hasn't learned anything either. Turned out he needed the losties help to push the button.

http://jayandjack.com/wiki/index.php?title=The_Lost_Experience

all phone files are translated here

could Sun have been impregnated during the failed abduction attempt? Meaning that they didn't want to take her, but were instead implanting her?

Wow. . . . I'd like to see a flashback on that one. Charlie must be REALLY quick.

So, maybe clean others = Dharma/Hanso and dirty others = previous "experiment subjects".

Clean Others = DHARMA

Dirty Others = The ones who are "sick" ???

~Dan

Some would say that the Hanso spot was part of the show, for the Lost audience, and was surrounded by ads.

I'd imagine it will only be used to flesh out some details, but will not provide spoiler material for the remaining episodes. If people notice potential spoilers, please don't post them - but as long as it just offers some additional DHARMA/Hanso background, I don't see the harm.

Plus, in less than a month, we'll need something to talk about. :)I don't know. My impression so far is that all this stuff has simply been put out there for all the impatient people that can't wait to see what's going on in the show. Think about it. If you're just watching the show without any external "info" there's still a lot of mystery about Hanso that one does not need to know about yet. The show is being told/shown from the perspective of the main characters and they don't know any of this stuff yet. One would assume that they will eventually find it out as the show progresses and unfolds. Knowing about it now is putting the cart before the horse IMO. I think it should all go to the spoiler thread. Isn't that what it's for?


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I don't know. My impression so far is that all this stuff has simply been put out there for all the impatient people that can't wait to see what's going on in the show. Think about it. If you're just watching the show without any external "info" there's still a lot of mystery about Hanso that one does not need to know about yet. The show is being told/shown from the perspective of the main characters and they don't know any of this stuff yet. One would assume that they will eventually find it out as the show progresses and unfolds. Knowing about it now is putting the cart before the horse IMO. I think it should all go to the spoiler thread. Isn't that what it's for?


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I disagree. I think the ad was there to get the regular, non-obsessed viewers to call and potentially start checking out the extra information online. The impatient viewers already go out and find the information themselves. They want people to be interactive. While you don't have to be that active to enjoy the show, it makes people feel like they play a role in the show. By slowly getting average viewers to solve mysteries outside of the show, they can start putting stuff out there that doesn't ever appear in the show. As soon as you start causing people to look for stuff online about a show, they'll be hooked the entire run of the series. Would have the people here be as excited about the show if they couldn't discuss it here?

Edit: Of course I could be way off base. Perhaps it was simply a way of showing the advertisers that people do see the commercial breaks in the show....

"See boys? The show is worth the price you're paying for those ad slots...."

Edit: Of course I could be way off base. Perhaps it was simply a way of showing the advertisers that people do see the commercial breaks in the show....
"See boys? The show is worth the price you're paying for those ad slots...."Probably very close. "See boys? We've found a way to force people to sit through the commercials. Now if they fast forward with their DVR's, they'll miss this stuff. And nothing is worse to those dweebs than missing some critical detail and finding out about it on a forum website."

Does any of this tie stuff going on all over the place remind anyone of the Myst tie-ins when the first Myst computer game was published. The hints and the way the people speak, the publishing of a book, even seems like the same production company is doing it. It's a lot of fun and I think it's great, I was just wondering if anyone else thinks its similar. If this is off topic, sorry, just thinking out loud.

Probably very close. "See boys? We've found a way to force people to sit through the commercials. Now if they fast forward with their DVR's, they'll miss this stuff. And nothing is worse to those dweebs than missing some critical detail and finding out about it on a forum website."
That's the thing, I would have missed it if I fastforwarded. My DVR has a 30 sec. skip forward and I landed on the end of the ad and saw the Hanso name. I might have simply assumed it was a "Primetime" or "20-20" promo if I were ff since the text may not have been readable. I find I watch more ads with the skip function than I used to ff with a VCR years ago. I tend to see glimses of ads and say "what was that?", then jump back to see what it was.

Does any of this tie stuff going on all over the place remind anyone of the Myst tie-ins when the first Myst computer game was published. The hints and the way the people speak, the publishing of a book, even seems like the same production company is doing it. It's a lot of fun and I think it's great, I was just wondering if anyone else thinks its similar. If this is off topic, sorry, just thinking out loud.
Well, the need a few more physical puzzle elements to be like Myst:

Perhaps you need to ride the excercise bike, run a certain record, open the vault, then wait for the pictures to appear on the counter before entering the numbers. Then you can view the map. ;)

Sorry - forgot about the Charlle deception.

At least that clears up my suspicion.

Now I come down thinking that Sun is pregnant with Jin's kid. I wonder if her pregnancy will proceed to standard term or be accelerated by "the island"?

So let me get this straight. AL executes some guy when she was a cop. She's been a hardass on the island, no problem torturing people.

Then she screws Sawyer to steal a gun so she can kill Henry. But she can't do it?

That's some coherent character development.Well, yeah, but Henry is one slick individual. She let him get into her head just long enough for Micheal to show up.

And like I said before; I thought the show would go interactive at some point, the website's kinda cool, but I'm not fanatical enough to call that phone number. I really hope they don't resort to voting cast member off the island.

Ok, I had to watch last night's ep much later than planned, so will not even ATTEMPT to get caught up on what's been going on here on the board. (Besides, everything will probably be re-stated several more times anyway...)

So, here's my one main thought regarding last night's episode, which I'm *sure* has already been argued about for several pages:

Michael has either become one of the "Others"...or they're using Walt to make him do their bidding.

I don't think it's a coincidence Jack and Kate "found" Michael, at the very spot they were hoping to find the bearded guy. I believe Michael was sent back to rescue fake-Henry. He saw his opportunity when Anna Lucia couldn't pull the trigger. He killed AL, shot Libby (I think accidently...itchy trigger finger...he seemed surprised and a little shocked after he fired), then shot himself in the shoulder. I'm sure he let fake-Henry go, and will say fake-Henry wrestled the gun from AL...

I don't think the Others are as poorly armed as Michael is letting on...he fed them that line so they'll attack, but end up walking into a trap.

One of my favorite moments of last nights show was when Hurley was talking to Sayid about using the radio. Even if he couldn't find music, just static was okay. He just wanted to hold it above his head and play something for Libby. Just like in Say Anything!

Sayid had no clue what he was talking about and being from the middle east it makes sense.

Say Anything is one of my favorite movies so I knew where Hurley was going right away.

...I don't think the Others are as poorly armed as Michael is letting on...he fed them that line so they'll attack, but end up walking into a trap.That's sure what it seems like, but it's not always a good idea to invite an attack, even with a trap is prepared. And what will they do about Locke if he's in the attack group? Aren't they supposed to try to bring him in? I'm leaning more toward the other angle that Michael was simply sent back to free "Henry" (assuming the Others even know for sure where he is) in exchange for some kind of promised leverage over Walt.

Also, based on what Michael revealed, it certainly seems like there are two tiers of "Others". The leaders in a bunker and the working class in tents. They may not be heavily armed, as Michael claimed, but they probably have the advantage of having harnessed some of the island's powers.

One of my favorite moments of last nights show was when Hurley was talking to Sayid about using the radio. Even if he couldn't find music, just static was okay. He just wanted to hold it above his head and play something for Libby. Just like in Say Anything!

Sayid had no clue what he was talking about and being from the middle east it makes sense.

Say Anything is one of my favorite movies so I knew where Hurley was going right away.

I'm from the Mid(dle) West and had no clue either. :)

Not entirely off-topic, but I just had a friend of mine who watched Mission Impossible-3 tell me that the movie was very good.

Thought I'd share with fellow fans of JJ Abrams here. I'm going to watch it tomorrow. :D

That's sure what it seems like, but it's not always a good idea to invite an attack, even with a trap is prepared.
But sometimes it is. The Others are much more familiar with the territory and could easily ambush them or attack the rest of the Lostaways while they're defenseless. The Others also have a boat and crude explosives. "Harry" will give them even more information about the Lostaways' command structure (or lack of it) to what Ethan already gave them and so they'll know who to take out first. The Lostaways still know practically ziltch about the Others.

The Swan bunker would be more defendable if they hadn't blown up the hatch to get into it.

I'm from the Mid(dle) West and had no clue either. :)
I'm from the far west and I was clueless about what he was talking about too.

Wow, apparently Say Anything isn't as popular a movie as I thought.

This is what Hurley was referring to about holding the radio over his head.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098258/

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00003CXCI/qid=1146788391/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/103-2314162-0930255?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130

I'd say being pregnant saved her... ;)

Apparently it makes a real difference whether it's getting banged up and getting knocked up.

Banged up? Banged up?!


Booooooo.....

Of course, I'm gonna miss ol midget thumbs...

Thanks for narrowing it down for us. ;)

Well, you know how some people feel about spoilers. The spoilers thread is 5 and some pages. This spoiler-less page likes to pretend the outside world doesn't exist. I feel guilty just posting URL's...

I watched the opening "LOST" logo again and this time I believe the artifacting was back again.... Are they just messing with my head? Did I imagine it being clean the last couple ep? I think I need a few more Dharma cookies...

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Last weeks recap show had a different logo, and it was clean. This week they went back to the original and the artifact was there.

Did you catch what Michael was saying about The Others that he saw? He called them "his people". Michael had no idea when he took off that there was a charismatic leader of The Others. Also, he just woke up in The Swan, so I don't think he knew about Henry either. This tipped me off as soon as he said it, I just didn't know where he was going to take it. If anyone else caught it, his cover's blown. There is no doubt in my mind he's spent time with them.

So, following Gary isn't completely a waste of time. Follow this link and find a critical clue to a previously mysterious entry on Locke's map. It also corresponds to the interview supposedly found on Amazon. Red herring or actual plot trigger? You decide...

http://www.garytroup.net/also.php

Did you catch what Michael was saying about The Others that he saw? He called them "his people". Michael had no idea when he took off that there was a charismatic leader of The Others.Not necessarily.

The "Zeke" character was instrumental in the abduction of Walt, and Michael could easily have perceived that he was the Others' leader, or simply focused his anger on the man who said, "we'll have to take the boy."

Not necessarily.

The "Zeke" character was instrumental in the abduction of Walt, and Michael could easily have perceived that he was the Others' leader, or simply focused his anger on the man who said, "we'll have to take the boy."

Good point!

Who is Claire?
My baby....my baby....!

I don't post much but was wondering if anyone else has found this??

Amazon Bad Twin Link (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401302769/sr=8-1/qid=1142450267/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-0919075-6892133?%5Fencoding=UTF8)


Click on the Video link in the description.


Has this been posted before?

My DVR cut off right after Ana Lucia was shot. What happened after?

I think you're going to have to pad the ending of the show by about 5 minutes. Don't know what your system is, but there has to be a menu item for it.

Lost regularly runs longer than 60 minutes!

My thoughts...

My thinking about Michael is that Dharma must have some serious brainwashing mojo to have corrupted him so completely so quickly. (I don't believe for one second that Michael was a previous Dharma "plant". No way.) Or, perhaps Michael "got sick", and thus became malleable for the Others.

What's more likely, IMO, is that the Others are threatening Walt with a horrible fate if Michael doesn't do their bidding in order to get Faux-Henry back, perhaps a "fate worse than death". It would have to be awfully bad to get Michael to "sacrifice" any Lostaways like he did. And, if he were really brainwashed, he probably wouldn't have had that look of terrible remorse as he pulled the trigger and killed two of his own.

I think, more than ever now, that Faux-Henry is the real leader of the Others and was essentially describing himself to Locke. That might explain the power he has over Michael.

Michael also had a different look - very determined and resolute - when he was describing the conditions of the Others to Jack and the rest. In other words, yes they've got Walt and they're holding/threatening him, but they really are lightly armed (perhaps just with the 3 or 4 guns they stole from the Losties that night) and Michael sees an attack on them as the only way to get Walt away from them and save his life.

Another thought, more "way out there", is that Walt is really evil and he's somehow controlling Michael with his mind and forced him to do this awful thing to his friends. After all, it appears as if Walt may have killed his own mother! I don't really buy this myself, but it's a possibility.

What "video link in the description"?

I don't see any link at all in the description.

I think you're going to have to pad the ending of the show by about 5 minutes. Don't know what your system is, but there has to be a menu item for it.

Lost regularly runs longer than 60 minutes!

I always try to do that with my DVR timers. It sucks when I have another show set to record right after on another channel with the same tuner. Luckily, I record Invasion right after Lost, so I always catch the end of Lost on the beginning of my Invasion recording if it runs long.

But when that happens to a show my wife watches, man does she start complaining about technology. She isn't into tech stuff like we are, so for her acceptance it has to work very consistantly.

Man this show kicks @$$!

What "video link in the description"?

I don't see any link at all in the description.
http://mfile.akamai.com/17650/wmv/amazoncomh3.download.akamai.com/17650/wm.amazon.usa/books/Gary_Troup_new_384K.asx

I don't post much but was wondering if anyone else has found this??

Amazon Bad Twin Link (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401302769/sr=8-1/qid=1142450267/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-0919075-6892133?%5Fencoding=UTF8)


Click on the Video link in the description.


Has this been posted before?

I'd already seen it, but I think because I followed a link on another LOST fansite. What's more important to me is the other book the author wrote.

This shouldn't count as a spoiler. On the SciFi Wire today:

"J.J. Abrams, co-creator of ABC's hit SF series Lost, told SCI FI Wire that this year's season-ending cliffhanger will be even more powerful than last year's."

I'd include the link but it does have some spoiler'ish info in it...oh what the heck, most of you are adults - click or don't click - it's up to you.

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=35861

My thinking about Michael is that Dharma must have some serious brainwashing mojo to have corrupted him so completely so quickly.
I'm leaning towards brainwashed. If the Others had given him some kind of mission to get Walt back, it seems like he would have told Jack and Locke about it so they could come up with a better plan than Michael killing people unless the Others are able to monitor Michael and the Lostaways better than we know at this point.

Note that I never watch the previews (I can wait a week) so I don't have as much of a clue as everyone else.

So ..

If Michael's assignment was to get "Henry" back, it seems to me that he didn't have to KILL anyone to do it. Once he had the gun, he could have made the rest happen it seems to me.

Therefore, it seems either (a) Michael was told he has to kill one of or more of the Losties, or (b) he's now converted, an Other, or lost his mind.

Am I missing something here?

If the Others had given him some kind of mission to get Walt back, it seems like he would have told Jack and Locke about it so they could come up with a better plan than Michael killing people unless the Others are able to monitor Michael and the Lostaways better than we know at this point.
Don't forget, the last time he took off, he locked Jack and Locke in the vault at gunpoint even after Jack offered help. He claimed he had to do it himself and acted almost as crazy as he did in this last episode.

If Michael's assignment was to get "Henry" back, it seems to me that he didn't have to KILL anyone to do it. Once he had the gun, he could have made the rest happen it seems to me.But then they'd know he was working with the Others. He'd also have to spill what he knew, perhaps getting the same "treatment" faux-Henry got to encourage him to talk. The threat to Walt probably included not telling the Losties anything about the Others in addition to springing faux-Henry. So he tried to make it look like faux-Henry broke out, killed them, wounded him, and escaped.

Xesdeeni

I'm leaning towards brainwashed. If the Others had given him some kind of mission to get Walt back, it seems like he would have told Jack and Locke about it so they could come up with a better plan than Michael killing people unless the Others are able to monitor Michael and the Lostaways better than we know at this point.

Note that I never watch the previews (I can wait a week) so I don't have as much of a clue as everyone else.

Scowl, you usually have a great point of view to read about, but I have to go the other on this one. I think he totally knew what he was doing. I don't he wanted to do what he did. He has seen the real capabilities of The Others. He knows Jack & Co can't help him get Walt. He has made a deal with The Others or switched sides.

Everybody else that agrees with me on this point thinks that he is doing this because he thinks it is the only way he can get Walt back. We know Dharma isn't giving Walt back, but they might have told Michael they would give him back if he played along. OR maybe Michael has seen what the Dharma initiative is and has decided to be a part of it. He thinks he is doing something for the greater good just like the other Dharma people. In this case I guess you could say he WAS brainwashed in the way that a person is brainwashed into believing a cult is leading them to the truth or whatever craziness they believe is right. If that is how you meant brainwashed, we do agree. But I have assumed people that say Michael was brainwashed mean that his mind has been screwed with by hooking him up to a machine or giving him drugs (similar to how Claire acted in her flashback).

Another possibility. Some of what Henry says is true...he is a nobody. The others don't want him to talk. So "He" tells Michael that if he wants to see Walt, he has to take care of Henry. So after Michael shoots Anna, Libby, and himself, he goes in and kills Henry.

If I remember correctly, we didn't see Henry at all in the preview, did we?

But then they'd know he was working with the Others. He'd also have to spill what he knew, perhaps getting the same "treatment" faux-Henry got to encourage him to talk. The threat to Walt probably included not telling the Losties anything about the Others in addition to springing faux-Henry. So he tried to make it look like faux-Henry broke out, killed them, wounded him, and escaped.

Xesdeeni

Exactly. And this also leads me to believe that Michael has more responsibility than just freeing faux-Henry. Otherwise, he could have just left with Henry rather than shooting himself and sticking behind. I suspect that the false info about underscoring The Others capabilities is part of the plan. Maybe, as others have said, he will lead them into a trap. Or maybe all that crap about the "puny" Others was just a ploy to get all the leaders to run off to see Sawyer about the guns so the hatch would be fairly empty while Michael could do what he did.

Another possibility. Some of what Henry says is true...he is a nobody. The others don't want him to talk. So "He" tells Michael that if he wants to see Walt, he has to take care of Henry. So after Michael shoots Anna, Libby, and himself, he goes in and kills Henry.

If I remember correctly, we didn't see Henry at all in the preview, did we?

That could be possible. But if Michael was supposed to kill Henry (and Henry's expression looked like he wasn't sure, either), why would he shoot himself first? I'd make sure I took care of everyone else before I shot myself. That would be the last step.

Finally someone hooks up on the island and no discussion about it?Yeah, Sawyer and and uh oh yeah.

At least there's still Hurley and Lib... oh yeah.

Um, Jack and Kate are still around, aren't they? :confused:Many references to drinking throughout the entire episode - and apparently end with bad consequences for them.
Also so far, if you think about or have unmarried sex and you get killed too...
Makes you wonder if RedShirt and Artz were having a drunken fling?I did notice that hooking up and getting shot are connected.Just like in horror movies: Sex=death. Except if you're a guy on this show...It does seem like a teen-guilt-movie - oops, sorry - horror movie type of environment. Therefore, Sawyer's only hope is that being duped gets him a pass.


v/r,
C-F

The whole deleted scene phenomenon, primarily for DVD's, has constantly been a let-down for me. However, I can point to a few examples where they broadened the appeal of a film. For example, those available for "The Mexican" and "Elizabethtown". If I'd watched GMA, I'd've been pissed for being fished in by the teaser from last night. Thanks nevertheless for relaying it.I usually watch them and the director's commentary (but never actors...), but my wife does not and reminds me of one director's comment [they were deleted for a reason].

v/r,
C-F

"Science has laid bare the tools of change. It is the reponsibility of the trusted few to shepherd humanity to a greater future."

Dr. Thomas Werner Mittlewerk
President & Cheif Technologist
The Hanso Foundation

Check this guy out on the Hanso Foundation web site and see if you suspect as I, that this is the "Big Dog" Zeke and Henry are talking about. I just can't get passed the hint "the trusted few".

Well, we know that the Others drew him out for some reason (via the computer in the hatch..."Dad?") but what's the point of sending him back? Is Henry more important than we realize?

Personally, I hated that Michael ended up shooting 2 of them. There's enough secrecy among the losties to aggravate me, now they're killing each other. I really want to find out more about Dharma and why the Others are allowing the losties to hang around. We're learning a lot about how the people are connected and how they ended up on the plane, but I'm really beginning to lose patience here. And judging from their ratings, so are a lot of people. It's getting to the point where the solution to this mystery had better be pretty dang good.

I'm really beginning to lose patience here. And judging from their ratings, so are a lot of people. It's getting to the point where the solution to this mystery had better be pretty dang good.

Once you have the solution, the ride's pretty much over.

"Lost" is all about the ride.

Just like in horror movies: Sex=death. Except if you're a guy on this show...

Well, at least AL got boinked before she got blown (away)...

Sorry, I couldn't resist!! :p

Well, at least AL got boinked before she got blown (away)...

Sorry, I couldn't resist!! :p

Too bad "Sta-Puft" missed his chance. Could be awhile now.

So if Libby is dead or in a coma, how do you think that will affect Hurley's psyche. He gets all the signs from Libby, so decides to make his move. Just as they are starting to get close she gets shot. I don't recall his issue with people being associated with him dying even being brought up this season...until now.

So if Libby is dead or in a coma, how do you think that will affect Hurley's psyche. He gets all the signs from Libby, so decides to make his move. Just as they are starting to get close she gets shot. I don't recall his issue with people being associated with him dying even being brought up this season...until now.

The reason he was in the psychiatric hospital in the first place was his guilt over the two people that were killed in the balcony collapse that he feels like he caused.

Dave will be back to help him through it.

So if Libby is dead or in a coma, how do you think that will affect Hurley's psyche. He gets all the signs from Libby, so decides to make his move. Just as they are starting to get close she gets shot. I don't recall his issue with people being associated with him dying even being brought up this season...until now.
Hmm, and if Libby is dead, are we down to just Kate, Sun, Claire, and Rose for women (other than any woman that happens to be in the background)? Who's next then? Strange we haven't seen any leading men besides Boone die. Looks like this island is slowly becoming a sausage fest since it's like a 8:2 ratio of men to women since two of those are married. :eek:

Scowl, you usually have a great point of view to read about, but I have to go the other on this one. I think he totally knew what he was doing. I don't he wanted to do what he did. He has seen the real capabilities of The Others. He knows Jack & Co can't help him get Walt. He has made a deal with The Others or switched sides.
Yeah, I'm not too sure about this one. NetworkTV pointed out how crazy Michael was acting before he split and that makes it hard to judge how logical his actions are.

I find it hard to believe that he would have made a "deal" with the Others and start gunning down people to get his kid back when the Others were clearly interested in keeping Walt and have no reason to honor any deal on a lawless island. Even if he gets Walt back, they'll just kidnap him again. But then Michael isn't the kind to think things through.

Also by injuring himself, Michael took himself out of Jack's "army" so he'll be back at the camp helping the Others wipe out the Lostaways when the "army" is attempting to attack the Others. And I guess you have to expect the unexpected like Lostzilla, polar bears or the black smoke showing up for reasons unknown.

I bet the writers meetings for this show are fun. There are a dozen directions this show could take at any episode.

So ..

If Michael's assignment was to get "Henry" back, it seems to me that he didn't have to KILL anyone to do it. Once he had the gun, he could have made the rest happen it seems to me.

Therefore, it seems either (a) Michael was told he has to kill one of or more of the Losties, or (b) he's now converted, an Other, or lost his mind.

Am I missing something here?

seems obvious to me he was instructed specifically to kill Ana Lucia as revenge for the other guy she'd killed. Then he shot Hurley's gf out of panic.

the question is what do they have on him. Brainwashing? Some kind of Manchurian mind control? Michael seems too well aware. Most likely, it's because they're holding Walt hostage. But I'll be disappinted if that turns out to be the explanation. That Michael would betray everyone and stupidly, too, b/c once they're done killing or subduing the Losties, what does he think they'll do with him?

MR on "Extra" tonight.

biggest quote:

"God can't see this island!"

...Therefore, it seems either (a) Michael was told he has to kill one of or more of the Losties, or (b) he's now converted, an Other, or lost his mind.


Wouldn't that be (a), (b) or (c)? :D

Also in the "unexpected" department (along with Lostzilla, etc.), there's the "island sickness" that the French Chick said made her people go bonkers. Could Michael be suffering from this?

what a great thread. I'm late to the Lost party, just started watching this season, but I am totally hooked. I figured that Michael was shown just what they wanted him to see (dirty, ragged, barely armed Others), which is not the real story on the Others, until he shot AL and then himself. He seems to be brainwashed, and feeding the Losties whatever the Others want them to hear.

Starting the war may allow the Others to make sure they get all the guns, so that the Losties no longer a threat. But what good would that do? Now that they have Henry, why would they want to engage the Losties?

btw, where was John during the shooting? He's on crutches, it's not like he's running off to kick Sawyer's ass for the guns with the same speed as the doc. But he was there threatening Sawyer, wasn't he?

Fun show, and unimpeded by reality. Where is Lostzilla, the black smoke, and the polar bears? Are they going to return?

But I'll be pissed if they kill Mr. Echo, the preview shows him in a precarious situation.

Also in the "unexpected" department (along with Lostzilla, etc.), there's the "island sickness" that the French Chick said made her people go bonkers. Could Michael be suffering from this?

I think Michael is either "infected" which MAKES him an "other," or he has willingly "joined" the "others," or he is being blackmailed by the others in order to get his son back.

I believe one of Michael's objectives is to finish what "Henry" couldn't accomplish -- that of getting John Locke. His other objective was to get "Henry" out of there before he says any more. Another objective was to kill AL. The shooting of Libby was more an "error," and I don't think she is dead . . . yet.

In order for Michael to remain "under-cover" he will need to make sure Libby doesn't regain consciousness or to outright kill her. He needs to remain "trusted" by the survivors in order to get John to go with him to attack the others. The real objective is to get John Locke captured and "converted" (infected??) by the others to be one of "them."

That's how I see it.

Does anybody have a theory as to how the "others" define who is "good" and, thus, worthy to join them?

...what a great thread. I'm late to the Lost party, just started watching this season, but I am totally hooked...

Welcome to our (ongoing) little party M3 Pete!

Anybody notice/find it strange that Henry sat quietly in his 'cell' while all the commotion (gunshots) were going on? Remember him saying time back something like "I can hear every word you're saying" when those on the other side of the door (Locke and Jack?) were just talking in normal tones? Either sloppiness by the writers, or else it had meaning.

Either sloppiness by the writers, or else it had meaning.Or, it had no meaning. :p

There's nothing "sloppy" about the idea that a guy locked in a closet would stay quiet after hearing three gunshots, fired by someone he doesn't know, who may not know he's in there.

I really think people try to assign "meaning" to too many minute details on this show.

I really think people try to assign "meaning" to too many minute details on this show.

Well, duh! :p

In The M:I:3 credits, when they were thanking companies and organiziations for their help, one of them was THE HANSO FOUNDATION.

...I really think people try to assign "meaning" to too many minute details on this show.

That's what this forum is all about, isn't it? --- speculating about the events that we view in the show and the "meaning" behind them?

In The M:I:3 credits, when they were thanking companies and organiziations for their help, one of them was THE HANSO FOUNDATION.

You have got to be joking!.... and what did you edit out, CPanther?

Fun show, and unimpeded by reality. Where is Lostzilla, the black smoke, and the polar bears? Are they going to return?

But I'll be pissed if they kill Mr. Echo, the preview shows him in a precarious situation.Don't worry. The black cloud of nano-bots will catch him.

That's what this forum is all about, isn't it? --- speculating about the events that we view in the show and the "meaning" behind them?Oh, that's what it's about!

I thought it was about the definition of HD-Lite, and how many ways DirecTV and Dish are screwing over their "loyal" customers! ;)

Find it hard to believe that someone who was brainwashed would apologize to his intended victim before shooting. I think it's pretty clear he was told to take out AL especially after Henry's earlier attempt. Libby was an accident, she was not supposed to be there. Was it Locke who questioned the coincidence of Michael showing up at the spot that Jack was hoping to draw the others out at? After stating that the others are dirty and run around bare foot, etc., why doesn't Kate tell everyone about the costumes she found in the other hatch? With AL presumedly dead( Michelle Rodriguez on GMA saying that was the plan all along to kill her off) will we find out who called her while she was having her drink pre-flight with Jack at the bar?

Maybe you should watch more and post less. I think most of us would appreciate it :)

Mark

...

Actually, it's because I've been too busy posting here to watch anything else.

I wouldn't call that a spoiler as it's been widely reported that a Lost cast member was signed to do a pilot for a sitcom.
it's a SPOILER to me so now you know other people don't appreciate inconsiderate "know-it-all" types posting spoilers.

:mad:

Wow, apparently Say Anything isn't as popular a movie as I thought.

This is what Hurley was referring to about holding the radio over his head.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098258/

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00003CXCI/qid=1146788391/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/103-2314162-0930255?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130
that was a great reference... i figured alot of young viewers & kids had no clue what hurley was talking about :)

it's obvious that the others are good and the LOST cast members are mostly bad (this is pretty much the point of the flashbacks, isn't it?!).

There's simply not enough anti-sickness drug to go around for all the islanders, which is why only the good ones (mostly young kids) get kidnapped - so they can get the drug they need to prevent the infection from taking over. The message Michael saw on the computer (and we didn't) is simply Walt telling him the others were the good guys...

I don't think Michael is a good guy, but Walt certainly is (and he's "unique" if you remember from the earlier episodes) and he's doing everything he can to protect him (ensuring he still gets the drug).

The real quesion is what the sickness is, what government (or governments) are keeping the island a secret and preventing a rescue, and what the "security system" really is...

You have got to be joking!.... and what did you edit out, CPanther?

Nothing. Just removed the spoiler tags.

The issue that keeps bugging me is whether the Lost World can be entirely explained by "Lost Science" or whether there is also some supernatural force at play. So many things can go either way: just for starters:

All of the coincidental interactions of the characters;
The miracle healing/surgery of Jack's patient/wife after the talk with Desmond;
The numbers and their effect in the real world (lottery and doom);
The healing power of the island on one hand but the need for antidote on the other;
The black smoke;
Walt's powers;
The impossibility of a single survivor of a jet falling to Earth after breaking in two in mid-flight.

I will be more than a little disappointed if Hanso was there, among other things, to study and/or attempt to harness supernatural forces.

Maybe you should watch more and post less. I think most of us would appreciate it :)

Mark

Maybe you should take up needlepoint.

Here's a thread (below) for all the website and games discussion. It may end up getting moved out of the HDTV forum during routine housekeeping, so you may want to bookmark it.

Hopefully, the next few weeks will provide plenty of material for discussion from the broadcast.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7616410#post7616410

In reasoning Michael's mindset, here is one thing to consider. Unless he succeeds in blaming Henry for the shootings, he has burned his bridge with his mates permanently. With the scene of him in the cell, it may be that he is a prisoner, dunno. If his bridge is burned, he can only be an other Other, like Rousseau (with or without Walt), or he must join the Others. Since it is likely, as Henry said, that they'll never give up Walt, then the deal was likely "get us Henry and you and Walt can live with us," rather than "we'll give you Walt." It wouldn't make sense to kill Lostaways, then try to lie his way back into a permanent spot in their group. He'd have to consider that he'd get caught eventually. In my opinion, it is very unlikely that Michael's trying to run his own show.

Keep in mind that the psycho french chick "had" to kill her fellow castaways because they were sick. Also, her child was abducted by the Others.

Fast forward to the lostaways. Michaels son is kidnapped by the Others. He seems a bit psycho himself. Now he is the first lostaway to intentionally kill one of his companions. Perhaps he to is sick and will ultimately rationalize his killings as necessary because they were sick, when in actuality it was he who was sick all along. Perhaps this was virtually identical to what Frenchy did to her companions and she is now delusional.

Good point. I hadn't realized how similar this all is to Danielle's history.

By the way they mentioned briefly in last Monday's podcast that while we may not see Danielle for the rest of the seaon, we should learn more about her history.

now that you mentioned Danille, aka The French chick, why are the Others allowing her to live?
It's seems pretty clear that she can capture and/or kill any person in the island. She captured Henry. She has weapons.

Why not take "care" of her?

I can see it now.

Locke: Are you going to kill her?
Jack: I'm not going, YOU go kill her.
Locke: Oh no, I'm not going, YOU go kill her.
Jack: Let's get Sayid!
Locke: Yea! Sayid will kill her. He'll kill anyone.
Sayid: OH NO! I'M NOT GOING! :eek:

Good point. I hadn't realized how similar this all is to Danielle's history.

By the way they mentioned briefly in last Monday's podcast that while we may not see Danielle for the rest of the seaon, we should learn more about her history.
Well Michael's story wasn't too similar to Danielle's until this last episode when he allegedly killed AL and Libby.

now that you mentioned Danille, aka The French chick, why are the Others allowing her to live?
It's seems pretty clear that she can capture and/or kill any person in the island. She captured Henry. She has weapons.

Why not take "care" of her?

Danielle hasn't been taken because she doesn't want to be and hasn't allowed them to. She's more than a match for the Others and pretty handy with all sorts of weaponry. She's been surviving alone on that island, presumably in close proximity with one or more hostile groups, for 16 years! She's undoubtedly learned how to keep herself hidden and how to deal with the Others by now.

Plus, you just don't frack with a Minbari and live to tell about it. ;)

Well Michael's story wasn't too similar to Danielle's until this last episode when he allegedly killed AL and Libby.They were similar for the fact that they each have had offspring stolen away from them.

now that you mentioned Danille, aka The French chick, why are the Others allowing her to live?
It's seems pretty clear that she can capture and/or kill any person in the island. She captured Henry. She has weapons.

Why not take "care" of her?

Perhaps she made a deal with them, in exchange for killing off her buddies.

They were similar for the fact that they each have had offspring stolen away from them.

Then you could include Claire too.

But seriously, if it is Claire, wonder how they'll go about confirming it.
Claire and Jack start talking in depth about their lives and they both come to the conclusion that they are half-siblings.

Of course this happens just AFTER they've hooked up. :D

And, if he were really brainwashed, he probably wouldn't have had that look of terrible remorse as he pulled the trigger and killed two of his own.

But Michael didn't really kill two of his own. He shot a couple of tailies. He had no real bonding with them and in fact was held captive by AL for a few days, so he was probably pi**ed at her anyway.

Things may change if he to shoot someone like Jack or Hurley or even Sawyer.

Also, they bar that Jack's dad went into after opening the door into Sawyer. That didn't look like the same bar where the two met. I thought it was more out in the desert. Could they have drank together in two different bars?

And last season, when we saw Sawyer in the police station, is it possible he was a witness to Jack's dad's death in that last bar and was answering questions related to it. AL must have spent at least a few more days in Sydney since she was on the plance with Jack and he had already made it there to pick up his father's body.

Has anyone considered the possibility that AL killed Jack's dad?

I know the last episode didn't make it appear that way (she appeared to head to the airport right after dropping him off at the bar), but this show has pulled the switch-aroo on flashbacks in the past.

Has anyone considered the possibility that AL killed Jack's dad?

I know the last episode didn't make it appear that way (she appeared to head to the airport right after dropping him off at the bar), but this show has pulled the switch-aroo on flashbacks in the past.

Extremely unlikely. What would be her motivation to do such a thing?

Extremely unlikely. What would be her motivation to do such a thing?

I agree....however, what if a Sawyer con went bad.....

Extremely unlikely. What would be her motivation to do such a thing?

I agree that it's unlikely, but like I said, this show has twisted flashbacks around on us in the past.

One possible motivation might be to protect the woman that she witnessed him attacking.

I know I shouldn't try to trust memory on something like this, but I was under the impression that Jack's dad just drank himself to death, rather than being murdered.

Does anybody have a way of checking that out?

The cause of his death has not been revealed yet.

I know I shouldn't try to trust memory on something like this, but I was under the impression that Jack's dad just drank himself to death, rather than being murdered.

Does anybody have a way of checking that out?


That's pretty much the way I understood it, too. Of course, the last time our minds visited this topic we weren't aware of all the killings these Losties have taken part in. Maybe we assumed he died from alcohol poisening or some drunken accident because the flashback revolving around Jack and his dad really highlights his drinking. At the time we had nothing more to assume? Either way I would like to find out how he died (if he really did). The way he is responsible for multiple Losties (at least two so far) being in Australia makes you wonder. Not to mention how many he has interacted with.

But Michael didn't really kill two of his own. He shot a couple of tailies. He had no real bonding with them and in fact was held captive by AL for a few days, so he was probably pi**ed at her anyway.

Things may change if he to shoot someone like Jack or Hurley or even Sawyer.

Also, they bar that Jack's dad went into after opening the door into Sawyer. That didn't look like the same bar where the two met. I thought it was more out in the desert. Could they have drank together in two different bars?

And last season, when we saw Sawyer in the police station, is it possible he was a witness to Jack's dad's death in that last bar and was answering questions related to it. AL must have spent at least a few more days in Sydney since she was on the plance with Jack and he had already made it there to pick up his father's body.
Sawyer was there because he got into a fight with the Prime Minister or someone like that (don't remember who exactly). But then he got deported after.

Possible spoiler removed.

I agree that it's unlikely, but like I said, this show has twisted flashbacks around on us in the past.

One possible motivation might be to protect the woman that she witnessed him attacking.

The timeline wouldnt' work. Didn't Jack have to fly to Australia to get his dad after he died, and bring the casket back? So there's gotta be at least a week or so between when he dies and when everyone gets on the plane.

So AL dropping him off at the bar, she couldnt have been heading straight to the airport.

The timeline wouldnt' work. Didn't Jack have to fly to Australia to get his dad after he died, and bring the casket back? So there's gotta be at least a week or so between when he dies and when everyone gets on the plane.

So AL dropping him off at the bar, she couldnt have been heading straight to the airport.

You're right...

But that actually makes it more possible that she was the killer. She would've had that amount of time (a week or whatever) to have encountered him again and killed him, for some reason.

Out there, I know, but it's possible...

It doesn't take a week to fly to Australia.

The hypothetical storyline of Claire and Jack being brother/sister also makes me wonder about Desmond's repeated use of the word "brother" when talking to Jack.

It doesn't take a week to fly to Australia.

No, but it could've taken that amount of time for:

a) Jack's dad to die/be-killed

b) Jack to be notified and fly to Australia

c) Jack to be in the airport flying back to the States

FWIW, I don't know why the "week" time period is getting bandied about, it could've been any period of time that had passed...4 days...8 days...15 days even. ;)

Another possibility is that Sawyer could've fingered AL as a suspect (or at least a "person of interest") in the death of Jack's dad, when he was being "questioned" in the police office when we saw him in a previous flashback. He would've seen both AL and Jack's dad in the car when he ran into the door...and may have remembered that...

Another possibility is that Sawyer could've fingered AL as a suspect (or at least a "person of interest") in the death of Jack's dad, when he was being "questioned" in the police office when we saw him in a previous flashback. He would've seen both AL and Jack's dad in the car when he ran into the door...and may have remembered that...

Interesting that Sawyer had not even a glimmer of recognition of seeing Ana Lucia before (unlike Jack). So, it's probably unlikely that he would have "fingered" her (at least before their jungle-love encounter). ;)

Interesting that Sawyer had not even a glimmer of recognition of seeing Ana Lucia before (unlike Jack). So, it's probably unlikely that he would have "fingered" her (at least before their jungle-love encounter). ;)

Hee hee...that's good.

I guess what I meant was that he could've told the cops, "all I know is that I saw the guy with some little muchacha in a Ford Taurus. Dr Kildare there was so focused on her, he almost castrated me with the car door. Can I go now?"

Sorta like that. :)

Then you could include Claire too.The Others stole Claires' baby also? :eek:

Possible spoiler removed.

How can an official ABC Lost podcast be a spoiler? (that was the content of my message that was deleted)

Is the official Lost Experience web-game also spoilers?

This is getting silly IMO. The whole reason they produce the podcast and distribute it two days before the episode airs is to discuss the previous episode and provide officially "blessed" answers to viewer questions.

I guess what I meant was that he could've told the cops, "all I know is that I saw the guy with some little muchacha in a Ford Taurus. Dr Kildare there was so focused on her, he almost castrated me with the car door. Can I go now?"

Sorta like that. :)


Dude, you are channeling Sawyer. That's exactly how he'd say it. :)

No, but it could've taken that amount of time for:

a) Jack's dad to die/be-killed

b) Jack to be notified and fly to Australia

c) Jack to be in the airport flying back to the States

FWIW, I don't know why the "week" time period is getting bandied about, it could've been any period of time that had passed...4 days...8 days...15 days even. ;)

Another possibility is that Sawyer could've fingered AL as a suspect (or at least a "person of interest") in the death of Jack's dad, when he was being "questioned" in the police office when we saw him in a previous flashback. He would've seen both AL and Jack's dad in the car when he ran into the door...and may have remembered that...

The writers must have one heck of a flow chart in progress!

Interesting that Sawyer had not even a glimmer of recognition of seeing Ana Lucia before (unlike Jack). So, it's probably unlikely that he would have "fingered" her (at least before their jungle-love encounter). ;)

Nice "double entendre" there archiguy!

Dude, you are channeling Sawyer. That's exactly how he'd say it. :)

Thanks! :)

He must be a fun character for the writers to write for.

How can an official ABC Lost podcast be a spoiler? (that was the content of my message that was deleted)

Is the official Lost Experience web-game also spoilers?

This is getting silly IMO. The whole reason they produce the podcast and distribute it two days before the episode airs is to discuss the previous episode and provide officially "blessed" answers to viewer questions.As has been discussed a number of times (ad nauseam) in this thread, only the aired broadcasts and our personal conjectures are considered discussion fodder for this thread. You are welcome to use the spoilers thread, or create your own thread if you want something in-between. But for this thread, and with loads of history behind it, we stick with what is broadcast.

So yes, the podcast is a spoiler. Since the game isn't directly related to the show (i.e. you won't miss anything important if you don't play the game), it's probably more off-topic than a spoiler. But it's still better in it's own thread.

Xesdeeni

...only the aired broadcasts and our personal conjectures are considered discussion fodder for this thread...

Aired broadcasts include previews at the end of the show.

Hanso Foundation has a half-page ad in todays NY Times, page A16.

As has been discussed a number of times (ad nauseam) in this thread, only the aired broadcasts and our personal conjectures are considered discussion fodder for this thread. You are welcome to use the spoilers thread, or create your own thread if you want something in-between. But for this thread, and with loads of history behind it, we stick with what is broadcast.

So yes, the podcast is a spoiler. Since the game isn't directly related to the show (i.e. you won't miss anything important if you don't play the game), it's probably more off-topic than a spoiler. But it's still better in it's own thread.

Xesdeeni

I thought CPanther said the game/web site was allowed - at least that what I took post 15882 to mean. Please correct me if I'm wrong.