I miss my Ultimate TV DVR, it automatically padded 3 minutes before and after as long as the tuner was available during that time.

You have to wonder if the writers are going to tap into the evil Nazi doctor syndrome at some point. The evil Dr Mittlewerk from Austria who seems to have a fabricated background at CalTech. The "heir apparent" code on his bio also could mean that he's the real figure behind Hanso and may now be calling the shots and may in fact be perverting his work for an evil purpose. The Nazi's believed in creating a master race and used medical research to advance this agenda. This might just be the next generation attempt at world domination. Instead of waging war to dominate, they use genetic and behavior research to sort out who's good and bad. Hanso perhaps was going the Darwin route with natural selection being sped up with his research projects to get to a Utopian Society of people who live long lives and never get sick. While Dr Mittlewerk sees the opportunity to advance his master race agenda and may use a pandemic virus that is able to kill everyone except those who have been using the 4-8-15-16-23-42 injections.
The experiments on the island are arranged to educate the children on how the "bad" people really treat each other and how their "improved" society will offer a better and longer life. The Nazi's also established the Hitler Youth in order to brainwash them into the Nazi ideals at a young age.
It's my current theory and I'm sticking to it - until next week of course. :D

That's the first thing I thought when I saw the printout. Check to see if Henry pushed the button!
Well, if we can't figure out how to fully interpret the printout, what hope does Locke have?

So what do you guys think they were looking at off-shore in the previews? Somebody opening up a bio-dome door in the sky? Maybe a second sun rising? ;)The nuking of the rest of the free world?

Well, if we can't figure out how to fully interpret the printout, what hope does Locke have?
He has an in with the writers. :D

I believe that was AL.

That was my assumption also.

http://lax.war3.com/Lost/snapshot20060511165904.jpg

it looks as if one of the ceiling tiles is missing....am I just grasping at straws? or could that be significant?

That is where the camera was.

That is where the camera was.

haha nice!

Well, if we can't figure out how to fully interpret the printout, what hope does Locke have?

Locke has Faith. ;)

haha nice!


No seriously...when they entered the pearl, they showed a camera....it was where the missing ceiling tile was.

I miss my Ultimate TV DVR, it automatically padded 3 minutes before and after as long as the tuner was available during that time.

I loathe being one of these kinds of guys, but it's been done to me more than once so...

Can you guys please carry this DVR discussion to a DVR forum? It has lost nearly all relevance to Lost pages ago.

Thanks!

That was my assumption also.

More than an assumption, re AL's body in the armory -- we saw Jack or someone put her in there earlier in the episode.

Random thoughts:
If the Pearl orientation was older than the Swan, why was the Swan on film and the Pearl on video? No one in Pearl would have also been in Swan, so there's no reason for deception there.
Didn't Wickman look older than Candle? Could this be part of the life extension experiment?
Does anyone have more of a screen capture of the log file? I wonder what happens when the time gets to 99 hours. If it rolls to 100 or just goes back to 00, that may help decode the time format. I think we may see more of this in the future - Locke is the type of guy who would go back to check if Henry entered the numbers.
I also believe that the Swan camera would have captured the shooting. I thought the entrance to the armory was in the upper left of the frame. But, even though they mentioned that this was recorded, Locke and Eko haven't found any VCR's that are recording anything, and it's unlikely they will, given the length of time the Pearl appears to have been abandoned (I doubt they make year long tapes).

No seriously...when they entered the pearl, they showed a camera....it was where the missing ceiling tile was.

No seriously, I didn't realize it until you said it! :)

I didn't mean it sarcastically at all

Random thoughts:
If the Pearl orientation was older than the Swan, why was the Swan on film and the Pearl on video? No one in Pearl would have also been in Swan, so there's no reason for deception there.
Didn't Wickman look older than Candle? Could this be part of the life extension experiment?
Does anyone have more of a screen capture of the log file? I wonder what happens when the time gets to 99 hours. If it rolls to 100 or just goes back to 00, that may help decode the time format. I think we may see more of this in the future - Locke is the type of guy who would go back to check if Henry entered the numbers.
I also believe that the Swan camera would have captured the shooting. I thought the entrance to the armory was in the upper left of the frame. But, even though they mentioned that this was recorded, Locke and Eko haven't found any VCR's that are recording anything, and it's unlikely they will, given the length of time the Pearl appears to have been abandoned (I doubt they make year long tapes).
The last number we see on the log is 41602127:53.

I'm not sure how Wickman could look any older than Candle unless they put makeup on the actor to make him look older. But no, I didn't think he did really.

They were actually made the same year as well, so it could only be a matter of months between each video. No clue why one would be on film and one would be on video.

Random thoughts:
If the Pearl orientation was older than the Swan, why was the Swan on film and the Pearl on video?

I posted one idea on that a few pages back. Basically the idea that a videotape might be erased inside the swan by the extreme magnetic fields in there, so they had to resort to film.

Another explanation could be that the orientations are produced at different times and even places, using different equipment that was available at the time. Has anyone here discussed the ideas in this thread below?

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=28308

There are theories there that (a) the extra bit of orientation film that Eko provided was actually a clip cut from a totally different orientation film. The Dr. in it looks different, the set/lighting is different, and his eye appears normal. (b) the Dr. has a fake left arm and also possibly left eyeball in the first orientation film.

Remember, an eyeball was found by the tailies when they found the film fragment. Also, a fake arm could be because the Dr. was supposedly injured in the "incident" at the Swan. Or perhaps it's all a show put on by the Dr. to be even more convincing regarding the alleged incident.

They were actually made the same year as well, so it could only be a matter of months between each video. No clue why one would be on film and one would be on video.

I wouldn't necessarily believe the date on these orientations.

Eko tasted the ground and concluded that the circle, i.e., lack of vegetation, was created by salting the ground. Does salt kill vegetation and/or prevent future growth?

More imporantly, since salt (NaCl) is water soluble, woudn't the effects of salt on the ground only last until the first rain? Unless the ground is repeatedly salted, wouldn't plants begin to grow once the salt is washed away?

I loathe being one of these kinds of guys, but it's been done to me more than once so...

Can you guys please carry this DVR discussion to a DVR forum? It has lost nearly all relevance to Lost pages ago.

Thanks!

Problem is, it's not really just a DVR issue, it's also a programming issue. I would love to be able to watch this show live every week but with kids activities, it just doesn't happen. While I'd love to get an extra 5 minutes of Lost every week, ABC appears to be unable to consistently communicate the real end time of the episode each week to the various cable and TVG providers (where DVRs get start/stop times). Very frustrating to miss the end where, inevitably, something crucial happens each week, especially when there is some fine discussion going on here.

OK, end of rant (at least until next week) :D

I wouldn't necessarily believe the date on these orientations.
The guy's name changed as well (The scientist's)!

Haven't read the last few pages of this thread, but did anyone else see the half-page Hanso ad in the New York Times on Wednesday? It was talking about not believing the lies in the "Bad Twin" book. If nobody else has, perhaps I can scan it and post it if we haven't recycled it already.

The same ad was in the Philly paper, and already posted here.

Problem is, it's not really just a DVR issue, it's also a programming issue. I would love to be able to watch this show live every week but with kids activities, it just doesn't happen. While I'd love to get an extra 5 minutes of Lost every week, ABC appears to be unable to consistently communicate the real end time of the episode each week to the various cable and TVG providers (where DVRs get start/stop times). Very frustrating to miss the end where, inevitably, something crucial happens each week, especially when there is some fine discussion going on here.

OK, end of rant (at least until next week) :D

the networks do this on purpose to avoid having you skip commercials with a dvr. nbc was among the first to do this back a couple of years by starting ER at 9:59p instead of 10

does anyone know where to find the 3 orientation films ? I'm at work, therefore proxy challenged, and please don't tell me to just d/l the episodes from itunes/abc.com, etc.

I'd like to see the comparison between the three of the Candle/Wickman, as well as his referrals to the other sites

Comcast Los Angeles. Cut out right after she opened her eyes.

I'm guessing you have the Motorola box with a different guide than my Scientific Atlanta box.

It also struck me that Libby was also DHARMA, and she just broke into the conversation between Eko and the miracle-girl in the airport to make sure that the girl was on track to get into Eko's mind. The nod that the girl gave seemed to be an indication that "I am in control.. he is taking the bait !!"

I re-watched this scene, and since you mention it, yes, it could be taken exactly that way. Watch the eye movements of both Libby and miracle-girl.

ABC appears to be unable to consistently communicate the real end time of the episode each week to the various cable and TVG providers (where DVRs get start/stop times).
I feel for you, but somehow my Tivo gets it right. So ABC is getting the correct information out there, so something else is getting in the way of your DVR getting the update.

Note: My TiVo is a D* HR10-250 with guide data from D*, not TiVo, Inc.

Problem is, it's not really just a DVR issue, it's also a programming issue. I would love to be able to watch this show live every week but with kids activities, it just doesn't happen. While I'd love to get an extra 5 minutes of Lost every week, ABC appears to be unable to consistently communicate the real end time of the episode each week to the various cable and TVG providers (where DVRs get start/stop times). Very frustrating to miss the end where, inevitably, something crucial happens each week, especially when there is some fine discussion going on here.


I have a ReplayTV which updates every night and thier guide keeps up with the changing schedule. But last week when my Internet was down, the schedule did not get updated and BOOM, missed the last 5 mins --- UGG!!!

Ah, come on guys. Quinocampa said "please". :D

the networks do this on purpose to avoid having you skip commercials with a dvr. nbc was among the first to do this back a couple of years by starting ER at 9:59p instead of 10
It has nothing to do with skipping commercials. In the case of Lost, they're trying to boost the ratings of Invasion by keeping you on ABC past the start of other shows in hopes you'll stick around rather than tune in late to another show.

In the case of NBC, the early start time was to hopefully catch viewers before they turned to another channel, thus boosting the audience for ER.

Sure, it's a dirty trick, but it has nothing to do with DVR usage. In fact, DVRs are good for TV networks. They help viewers to avoid missing episodes of shows that have continuous plots (which lessens the chance they'll stop watching due to missing important plot points), they allow the networks to tinker with timeslots since the DVRs usually follow the shows from timeslot to timeslot and they allow viewers to watch more programs than they normally would, thus increasing the chances it'll be one of theirs. In addition, DVRs offer future potential for real time ratings measurements, interactive features and new ad revenue via agreements with DVR companies. Also, NBC and other networks already offer the ability (via TiVo) to set up a show to record via its promos by pressing the "Thumbs Up" button when the promo is playing. That exposes the audience to even more shows offered by the network. Finally, I would expect the networks will find a way to offer audiences the chance to check out pilots for shows "offline" via a direct download in order to see if the show is viable for a full season committment - no more wasting air time for shows that may not catch on with an audience, while at the same time those shows would get much more exposure by being right on the DVR as opposed to viewers needing to find them.

Eventually, future DVRs will take advantage of the groundwork done by the likes of UltmateTV/WebTV and allow you to visit the related web sites for shows and play interactive games such as the one offered by Lost.

It's all about embracing all technology to fully immerse viewers. If people can experience a show for more than just an hour each week, that is good for the networks. With ABC and the others waking up to new distribution methods for shows, the DVR still offers plenty of future oppurtunities for the networks (imagine future higher resolution I-tunes video downloads right on your DVR). They aren't going to kill that goose.

If anyone is trying to screw DVR users, it's advertisers and content owners who don't recognize the potential to create a new business model.

By the way, did anyone notice what looked like packets of drugs (like the ones from the statues) on the table in "The Pearl"?

It also allows for an extra pod of commercials priced at the higher rate for Lost.

Eko tasted the ground and concluded that the circle, i.e., lack of vegetation, was created by salting the ground. Does salt kill vegetation and/or prevent future growth?

More imporantly, since salt (NaCl) is water soluble, woudn't the effects of salt on the ground only last until the first rain? Unless the ground is repeatedly salted, wouldn't plants begin to grow once the salt is washed away?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salting_the_earth

Salting the earth refers to the practice of spreading salt on fields to make them incapable of being used for crop-growing. This was done in ancient times at the end of some wars as an extremely punitive scorched earth tactic.

When the ticket lady handed Eko his ticket, she said "Flight 815, gate 23".

He must have changed his clothes at some point, and they should work this into a flashback, or this would be a real big continuity error.No continuity error. Eko was NOT in his preist outfit in the airport. And Eko WAS clean shaven at the beginning of the episode "The Other 48 Days"

But then real question is is the 41602 also a part of the hours? Because like you said, that means 4749 years :eek:Don't a lot of fundamentalists who take the Genesis story literally believe that the earth is only about 5000 years old?

I think the episode was 65 minutes long. It was going to be 61 minutes long according to zap2it and other sources. I had a two minute pad. That cut off the last two minutes.This thread makes me love the fact that I don't have DVR. Life is good for me!

There are theories there that (a) the extra bit of orientation film that Eko provided was actually a clip cut from a totally different orientation film. The Dr. in it looks different, the set/lighting is different, and his eye appears normal. (b) the Dr. has a fake left arm and also possibly left eyeball in the first orientation film.If the producers of the show are getting down to this level of detail, LOST will cease to become an enjoyable show to watch. It's one thing to have small references here and there to keep viewers on their toes, but going over individual frames with a fine-tooth comb is not a fun way to watch a TV show.

And as far as production errors... they DO happen. Even on a show like Lost. Makeup artists, lighting experts, and wordrobe people just can't reproduce a scene with 100% accuracy every time.

Don't a lot of fundamentalists who take the Genesis story literally believe that the earth is only about 5000 years old?
The Genesis account of creation does not specify when "the beginning" was, and other scripture passages make it clear that God is not bound by time and space as we understand them in our mortal bodies. However, there are those who have tried to retrace documented geneologies to ascribe some time to the creation account. I think those folks target about 6,000 years. If it matters, here's where I come from on that issue: God is Creator and Law-giver, Moses' account in Genesis is accurate, and the age of the earth and of the universe is not known with any precision.

I gather from your post that you wonder if the "Lost" writers were throwing out the possibility that this island and the experiment have been going on almost literally forever in some form? Or was it something else?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salting_the_earth

Salting the earth refers to the practice of spreading salt on fields to make them incapable of being used for crop-growing. This was done in ancient times at the end of some wars as an extremely punitive scorched earth tactic.

But the effects are limited in time.

"Salting the earth is the military practice of spreading salt on fields to make them unusable for crop-growing for several years, as a 'scorched earth' technique or a punishment" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salting, emphasis added).

I re-watched this scene, and since you mention it, yes, it could be taken exactly that way. Watch the eye movements of both Libby and miracle-girl.

But Libby asks her if everything is alright! What kind of look do you want that says, "yes, I'm fine, we're just talking," rather than "cool! We're pulling this off right under his eyes!"

The Genesis account of creation does not specify when "the beginning" was, and other scripture passages make it clear that God is not bound by time and space as we understand them in our mortal bodies. However, there are those who have tried to retrace documented geneologies to ascribe some time to the creation account. I think those folks target about 6,000 years. If it matters, here's where I come from on that issue: God is Creator and Law-giver, Moses' account in Genesis is accurate, and the age of the earth and of the universe is not known with any precision.

I gather from your post that you wonder if the "Lost" writers were throwing out the possibility that this island and the experiment have been going on almost literally forever in some form? Or was it something else?Ummm... I didn't mean to get into a religous debate. I was merely stating that perhaps in the Lost universe, the button has been pressed ever since the beginning of time.

A number of intentionally off-topic comments deleted.

Just a reminder that this is an HDTV Programming forum (within an AV site) and although the vast majority of comments center around the show itself, DVR issues, reception and delivery issues or anything regarding getting the audio and video of LOST into our homes (once it is determined to be a national issue) are considered very much ON topic for this thread.

Once it strays into in-depth discussion of issues specific to a particular piece of hardware or local area, the discussion should continue in the Hardware or Local forums respectively.

This thread makes me love the fact that I don't have DVR. Life is good for me!
Get rid of your TV too! Life will get even better for you! :p

does anyone know where to find the 3 orientation films ? I'm at work, therefore proxy challenged, and please don't tell me to just d/l the episodes from itunes/abc.com, etc.

I'd like to see the comparison between the three of the Candle/Wickman, as well as his referrals to the other sites
http://youtube.com/watch?v=75MrmdYfOWc&search=pearl%20orientation
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PZ4VuFjxo40&search=swan%20orientation

But the effects are limited in time.

"Salting the earth is the military practice of spreading salt on fields to make them unusable for crop-growing for several years, as a 'scorched earth' technique or a punishment" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salting, emphasis added).
Either a plothole or someone's been salting recently ;)

If the producers of the show are getting down to this level of detail, LOST will cease to become an enjoyable show to watch.

While I think all of the very tiny details of the show are cool to discuss, I do not think they will reduce the watch-ability at all.

My opinion is that if the zealots (me included) want to try and dissect every detail of the show (i.e. most of us Internet generation types), I think that is cool. But the casual fan (i.e. my wife), will see small coincidences and say "Hey, I remember that from..."

More shows need to be like Lost, where intelligence, mystery, suspense etc. are not wasted on season-enders and pilots. To me, this show is "designed" to be what it is, with no pressure to reveal the ultimate solution!

So I guess enjoy the game while it lasts!

p.s. the moment we figure all of this out == Lost syndication date!

I have a ReplayTV which updates every night and thier guide keeps up with the changing schedule. But last week when my Internet was down, the schedule did not get updated and BOOM, missed the last 5 mins --- UGG!!!

For everyone that missed the last couple of minutes:

Don't forget that you can watch the episode for free the next day on abc.com. Obviously its not a solution, but if you want to see what happened, rather than getting a brief summary, it seems to work OK. Their system does allow you to jump around, so you don't have to sit through the whole episode again just to watch the end.

Also works great to rewatch a scene while reading the boards, without having to go back and watch it on the TV.

I rewatched the episode last night and was it just me or did the angle or camera placement change for the view of the Swan? When the first picture comes up on the TV it is of Jack walking past the island in the bunker. The later images w/ no one in the picture show the bed area but no one in it. Are we sure this is a live feed. Does anyone have any screen captures to verify this or am I just seeing things. :)

I rewatched the episode last night and was it just me or did the angle or camera placement change for the view of the Swan? When the first picture comes up on the TV it is of Jack walking past the island in the bunker. The later images w/ no one in the picture show the bed area but no one in it. Are we sure this is a live feed. Does anyone have any screen captures to verify this or am I just seeing things. :)
Yeah, it seems to have panned a little, perhaps it's motion activated.

http://kjordan.net/monitor1thumb.jpg (http://kjordan.net/monitor1.jpg)
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And found another clear log printout shot:
http://kjordan.net/logthumb.jpg (http://kjordan.net/log.jpg)
Example number on this one is 922117:05 which is drastically different than 416020806:29.

Man, while I was trying to watch LOST the other night my inconsiderate neighbor had the gall to knock on my door, proceeded to talk to me and caused me to MISS PART OF THE SHOW! I've told him before not to bother me during LOST, but he keeps doing it anyway. Well, I figured that I'd just bitch about it here because it happened during LOST (even though he does do it during other shows too...). You know, because this is the LOST thread and all. Thanks for listening.


ron

Man, while I was trying to watch LOST the other night and my inconsiderate neighbor had the gall to knock on my door, proceeded to talk to me and caused me to MISS PART OF THE SHOW! I've told him before not to bother me during LOST, but he keeps doing it anyway. Well, I figured that I'd just bitch about it here because it happened during LOST (even though he does do it during other shows too...). You know, because this is the LOST thread and all. Thanks for listening.


ron
Ever thought about just not getting up and answering? ;)

Don't answer the door during shows that you don't want interrupted - problem solved.

Man, while I was trying to watch LOST the other night my inconsiderate neighbor had the gall to knock on my door, proceeded to talk to me and caused me to MISS PART OF THE SHOW! I've told him before not to bother me during LOST, but he keeps doing it anyway. Well, I figured that I'd just bitch about it here because it happened during LOST (even though he does do it during other shows too...). You know, because this is the LOST thread and all. Thanks for listening.


ron

Thanks for my laugh of the day. (sorry!)

I feel for you, but somehow my Tivo gets it right. So ABC is getting the correct information out there, so something else is getting in the way of your DVR getting the update.

Note: My TiVo is a D* HR10-250 with guide data from D*, not TiVo, Inc.
Same here, never misses. Be careful talking good about D* here :D .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salting_the_earth

Salting the earth refers to the practice of spreading salt on fields to make them incapable of being used for crop-growing. This was done in ancient times at the end of some wars as an extremely punitive scorched earth tactic.

Talk to the Carthaginians!
Water soluble yes, but it just disperses futher into the root zone.

Or just record it to watch uninterrupted, or tivo it to skip back to where you were, etc.

Or tell him to sit down and shut up until the show is over.

Ever thought about just not getting up and answering? ;)Don't answer the door during shows that you don't want interrupted - problem solved.Thanks for my laugh of the day. (sorry!)Or just record it to watch uninterrupted, or tivo it to skip back to where you were, etc.Or tell him to sit down and shut up until the show is over.Ok guys. Thanks for the replys. But I see my commentary about the DVR issue by way of analogy was a little too thickly veiled there ;). Next time I'll just say what I have to say so no deciphering will be necessary.


ron

Man, while I was trying to watch LOST the other night my inconsiderate neighbor had the gall to knock on my door, proceeded to talk to me and caused me to MISS PART OF THE SHOW!... Obviously, you need a way to time-shift your door... :p (Yes, we realized you were kidding)

Ok guys. Thanks for the replys. But I see my commentary about the DVR issue by way of analogy was a little too thickly veiled there ;). Next time I'll just say what I have to say so no deciphering will be necessary.


ron

The sarcasm wasn't missed, just overlooked. Acknowledging it would have sent the message that when someone misses the last couple minutes of Lost that this thread isn't the place to get filled in on the details - or how to correct the problem so it doesn't happen again.

Those comments/questions are certainly welcome.

Ok guys. Thanks for the replys. But I see my commentary about the DVR issue by way of analogy was a little too thickly veiled there ;). Next time I'll just say what I have to say so no deciphering will be necessary.


ron
Yeah, this is the Lost thread, we don't like stuff thickly veiled, nor do we like deciphering stuff....Oh wait....

Obviously, you need a way to time-shift your door... :p (Yes, we realized you were kidding)Hmmm, I think you may be on to something here Jim.... time-shifting the neighbors. This could be great for some of the relatives too. Even the boss! :D.

CP, I didn't mean to imply that I thought people shouldn't ask for quick recaps. But geez, when pages get devoted to people talking about their various DVR and their specific techniques for "avoiding the dreaded cutoff", it kinda seems like the discussion has completely left the realm of the show and become a hardware topic to me...


ron

Except for the dust that he blew off pages inside the book. I thought that was kind of weird having dust inside the pages.

Mark

Again, don't mean to be a pain, but the one dust covered notebook that Eko leafed through was empty. ...

Don't a lot of fundamentalists who take the Genesis story literally believe that the earth is only about 5000 years old?Approx. 6000 years from Genesis-creation till now. Who knows how old before that. Anyways, that's a lot of button pushin'. I guess that bunker really is ancient.

I think they're clones.

Mark

Couple of things make me think the Pearl is another type of psych experiment:

...

2. The guy's name in the video is actually Dr. Waxman. ( http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0154236/ ) Now that sounds very suspiciously similar to his other known alias "Dr. Candle". Leads you to suspect both are just made up names.

...

Deep whisper investigations:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=38199

If you buy this, then there appears to be multiple voices/entities interacting when the whispers or monster is around. Some of these voices like during the Henry interrogation I wasn't even aware of.

I'm very sorry for you.

I thought we were going to move website talk to the other thread. :(

...

Also, I tried to call the phone number for hours ...

Here's a good memory refresher: List of unanswered Lost questions

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=24628

I just watched the Swan orientation video, and in it he mentions "the incident", and because of that incident the button has to be pushed every 108 mins. But what Locke found in the Pearl with the orientation video there is no need to push the button, and that it was just an experiment, which would mean that there was no "incident" at the Swan station...wouldn't it?

Regarding the stick-o-dynamite idea: If the thing didn't blow up upon being jostled in the tube, the vacuum would extinguish the fuse. Either way, it would provide no clue as to the terminus location.Only if you use crappy fuze cord!

v/r,
C-F

When did I do that? I've downloaded them, like you, including the BG podcasts, but I've only listened to one BG one, never listened to a Lost podcast.

I'm still on the side of light and innocence(and no doubt a degree of ignorance as well). :DSorry, my mistake. :o I must have read more into that... :eek:

Glad I procrastinated and did not jump off the cliff because 'everyone else' did... ;)

v/r,
C-F

When did the various "hatches" or "stations" acquire names? Everyone seems to know that the hatch under the plane is "Pearl" and the home base is "Swan." I missed those revelations.

When did the various "hatches" or "stations" acquire names? Everyone seems to know that the hatch under the plane is "Pearl" and the home base is "Swan." I missed those revelations.
They are in the orientation videos, and then there's the fact that each station has a logo.

Hey guys, question. My co-worker just got the Season 1 DVD of 'Lost' and loves it. He and his wife went through all the episodes on one weekend, and this is a guy that takes weeks to get through any show on DVD (he still hasn't seen the ending of Sci-Fi's 'Battlestar Galactica' Season 2 part 2). Of course my friend's now dying to see Season 2 of 'Lost' but he can't wait until October of next year for the DVD's and he doesn't want to have Season 2's surprises spoiled. So, does anobody here know if Season 2 will be repeated from beginning to end on ABC during summer? Will ABC Family show it in a marathon of sorts over the next few weeks? What did ABC do last year after Season 1 of 'Lost' wrapped-up in May to help new viewers catch-up with Season 2 (to have an idea of what they'll do this year)? I don't watch 'Lost' so I'm lost at when/how/if this show is repeated in chronological order during the summer hiatus (something my friend insists he has to do to get the full 'Lost' experience). Thanks in advance for any heads-up! :o

It should start over in 3 weeks..just like it did last year.

I was just in the same situation having borrowed Season 1 DVDs from a friend a few months ago and getting hooked. Season 2 episodes are available on iTunes for $1.99 per show. I also understand that some Season 2 DVD images and individual episodes can be had via **********.


Hey guys, question. My co-worker just got the Season 1 DVD of 'Lost' and loves it. He and his wife went through all the episodes on one weekend, and this is a guy that takes weeks to get through any show on DVD (he still hasn't seen the ending of Sci-Fi's 'Battlestar Galactica' Season 2 part 2). Of course my friend's now dying to see Season 2 of 'Lost' but he can't wait until October of next year for the DVD's and he doesn't want to have Season 2's surprises spoiled. So, does anobody here know if Season 2 will be repeated from beginning to end on ABC during summer? Will ABC Family show it in a marathon of sorts over the next few weeks? What did ABC do last year after Season 1 of 'Lost' wrapped-up in May to help new viewers catch-up with Season 2 (to have an idea of what they'll do this year)? I don't watch 'Lost' so I'm lost at when/how/if this show is repeated in chronological order during the summer hiatus (something my friend insists he has to do to get the full 'Lost' experience). Thanks in advance for any heads-up! :o

Season 2 episodes are available on iTunes for $1.99 per show. I also understand that some Season 2 DVD images and individual episodes can be had via **********.

My co-worker doesn't have an iPod and isn't familiar with **********. Besides, he's the type of guy that wants as much of the 'Lost' experience as possible (on DVD or HD in front of the TV with the Dolby Surround cranking) so thanks, but those aren't alternatives. If 'Lost Season 2' is starting over in three weeks though then that's good enough for my friend, thanks! ;)

My co-worker doesn't have an iPod and isn't familiar with **********. Besides, he's the type of guy that wants as much of the 'Lost' experience as possible (on DVD or HD in front of the TV with the Dolby Surround cranking) so thanks, but those aren't alternatives. If 'Lost Season 2' is starting over in three weeks though then that's good enough for my friend, thanks! ;)

Be warned, though - there's no guarantee all the season 2 episodes will be shown. It's always possible they may skip some.

I'll check the online schedules to see if (a) they're starting over from the 1st episode of Season 2 and (b) whether they're skipping. If they're only skipping those 'Recap' specials then no big loss, my friend can DVR Season 2 and watch at his leisure. If ABC skips some crucial storyline or 'flashback' episodes (I'll only know it by the episode number since I've never seen a 'Lost' episode before) then I'll warn my friend to tape them but not to watch them until ABC Family or some other network reruns them in order. BTW, didn't ABC Family last year ran a 'Lost' marathon that showed all episodes from Season 1 during a holiday weekend? I know ABC Family had done this with 'Alias' in years past. Thanks again for the help!

I was one who didn't watch season 1 when it aired but watched the summer re-runs.

I'd say probably about 4-5 episodes were skipped entirely.

I had to track them down through other means. ;)

Is the whole season 2 available at abc.com? Might at least have the option to watch the skipped episodes online.

there isn't enough Wednesdays between the end of the month and mid September...most of the episodes in the middle of the season had little besides flashback info...

Terry O'Quinn this morning on 'Regis'.

Terry O'Quinn this morning on 'Regis'.
[adam sandler:wedding singer]]Once again, things that could've been brought to my attention YESTERDAY! [/adam sandler:wedding singer]
;)

dad1153 - It's okay to admit that you didn't join us in our Lost-fever in time to watch this season as it unfolded. No need to use the old "doing this for a *friend*" play. :)

In watching last weeks episode again this weekend, I more carefully scrutinized the preview for this weeks episode, they definetly show another hatch(it's got a different Dharma logo on it) and 2 people guarding it dressed in raggy clothes, sounds like the "others" Michael mentions.

God I am so stoked there are TWO episodes left and not one like most every other show.

there isn't enough Wednesdays between the end of the month and mid September...most of the episodes in the middle of the season had little besides flashback info...True, but they could always do a Lost double (8 & 9 pm slots) or even some Saturdays too.

there isn't enough Wednesdays between the end of the month and mid September...most of the episodes in the middle of the season had little besides flashback info...

You're assuming mid September, or has there been an announcement?

It seems like last year the season one DVD came out a couple of weeks BEFORE season two started airing. With season two DVD not out until Oct 9, wouldn't ir make sense to wait, giving viewers who'd not seen all of season two a chance to catch up first?

What posg said... Anybody know why they wait so long to release the previous season's DVD set? Seems to me that they would want to release it earlier in the summer so that newcomers could "catch up" and be ready to start watching in prime time for the next season (and hopefully bumping up the Nielsen numbers and supporting the advertisers). Waiting until the next season almost starts doesn't give those folks enough time to get up to speed, so they're not likely to get hooked in time for the new season to start.

Seems awfully short-sighted to me.

It's done to hype the upcoming season, if it was released early summer the "buzz" would have died down by the time the season starts. It provides a way sell the DVD and mention the new season at the same time. Maximize impact.

Plus, with every single episode available for download via iTunes it's available already, although obviously not very good quality.

ABC may also be thinking of running re-runs during the summer and a early DVD release would take potential audience away.

What is unforgivable is when a previous season DVD set is released after the new season has started as was the case for Veronica Mars this year.

Thanks maxman for motivating me to find out (in advance) if any other Losties are going to appear on any morning shows before the season ends and sure enough I found Harold Perrineau (Michael) will be on Good Morning America this Wednesday. There may be more next week but couldn't find any available information.

Thanks maxman for motivating me to find out (in advance) if any other Losties are going to appear on any morning shows before the season ends and sure enough I found Harold Perrineau (Michael) will be on Good Morning America this Wednesday. There may be more next week but couldn't find any available information.

I usually happen on these things as I'm channel surfing. Didn't find out about 'Locke' until the show started this morning. Thanks for the heads up on 'Michael'.

You're assuming mid September, or has there been an announcement?

It seems like last year the season one DVD came out a couple of weeks BEFORE season two started airing. With season two DVD not out until Oct 9, wouldn't ir make sense to wait, giving viewers who'd not seen all of season two a chance to catch up first?

New DVD's (and CD's for that matter) usually debut on Tuesdays. LOST plays on Wednesday. I wonder how big LOST would sell if season 2 went on sale the day before the last episode was broadcast? Imagine the mad rush as people tried to get a jump on the finale.

I know this isn't reality...there's going to be at least one dolt here that reminds me of corporate policies and contracts, blah blah blah....

dad1153 - It's okay to admit that you didn't join us in our Lost-fever in time to watch this season as it unfolded. No need to use the old "doing this for a *friend*" play. :)

I'm not kidding, I'm doing this as a favor for my co-worker friend who is too freaking dumb to check online when 'Lost' is repeated. I've never seen a single episode of 'Lost' and don't intend to start now. Waiting for 'Battlestar Galactica' to return in October is maddening enough, I don't need another 'dragging the plot an episode at a time'-type show to mess with my psyche. It was bad enough with 'The X-Files' but this 'Lost' show sounds like a recipe for going mad. No thanks! :o

Man, while I was trying to watch LOST the other night my inconsiderate neighbor had the gall to knock on my door, proceeded to talk to me and caused me to MISS PART OF THE SHOW! I've told him before not to bother me during LOST, but he keeps doing it anyway. Well, I figured that I'd just bitch about it here because it happened during LOST (even though he does do it during other shows too...). You know, because this is the LOST thread and all. Thanks for listening.


ron
ROFL! Sorry to laugh at your pain, man, but that is pretty funny. Do what I do ... pretend you're not home. Or, if he can hear your home theater blaring LOST, then pick up your cordless phone/cell phone, walk to the door, and pretend like you are on a long distance call and you'll get to him when you can. :D

Hey, i know this isnt LOST RELATEd, well i guess it semi is cuase of the dvr/utv/tivo problems. Did anyone have a problem with CBS tonite with there Monday night lineup. THe damm channel didnt make the adjustment that the President was speaking, and all there shows were off by 15 minutes. I made adjustments for 2 of the shows i watch, but forgot about the last 15 minutes of CSI MIAMI. Anyone else have this problem with there local CBS not fixing there schedule. I use DTV and Ultimate tvs in both my den and bedroom, and it didnt fix and i missed the end of 2and half men and the end of the finale of CSI MIAMI.

Lost was awesome this week though, and UTV did have the 5 minutes extra padding for the end of LOST, but hte show seemed to end earlier then 10 i think, maybe 1001. Hope they fix it for all the rest of you guys this week.
Wg

The Tivo guide was never updated for CBS last night to reflect the presidential address. Probably because they waited so long to decide if they were going to carry it. Everything was off by 20 minutes.

"...(ABC) will not air repeats of Wednesday night performer "Lost" during the new TV season. "Lost" will run "for 7 episodes" in the fall, (ABC Entertainment President Stephen) McPherson said, before making room on the schedule for new drama "Day Break."

"Lost" will then return in late January or early February and run all originals for the rest of the season...."

http://www.tvweek.com/news.cms?newsId=10009

Great news. No more 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.

Candle/ Waxman does look much younger in the video....with darker hair & two arms...then appears older in the 16mm film...with grey hair and the fake left arm. Yet both are (c) 1980. The fact that the Swan video is 16mm film, instead of video lends credo to the magnetic field "accident"...video tape would probably be erased by a magnetic field burst. (Also listening the the very end, he talks about taking the "ferry back to the barracks for your next"...then gets clipped off)...I think the bright lights the Losties see at the end of the preview is the result of the button not being pushed...which is exactly what the Others want to happen. Walt said it first: "Push the button. No button's bad."

Remember:"Careful observation is the only key to true and complete awareness"

"...(ABC) will not air repeats of Wednesday night performer "Lost" during the new TV season. "Lost" will run "for 7 episodes" in the fall, (ABC Entertainment President Stephen) McPherson said, before making room on the schedule for new drama "Day Break."

"Lost" will then return in late January or early February and run all originals for the rest of the season...."Great news. No more 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.I'm not sure that's great news. I'm not a big repeat fan, and I agree with everyone about the breaks, but if you're going to have breaks, wouldn't it be better to run some repeats of the shows just seen for people who might have missed an episode? That's what repeats are for after all. And if you miss an episode, aren't you more likely to just stop watching since you've missed a link in the storyline? And wouldn't repeats let you catch back up?

Plus, I'm thinking interleaving two active series is a pretty huge announcement in and of itself. When was the last time this happened? The NBC Mystery Movie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Mystery_Movie)?

Xesdeeni

I don't care much about repeats - plus they are so inconsistent as to which episodes they repeat, and in what order, it's not likely they are picking up many new viewers that need catching up. Plus, the repeats are on the same few weeks on, few weeks off schedule, so by the time a viewer would catch up, there's a half-dozen new episodes that they had to skip over.

With episodes available from abc.com, people can catch the episodes they miss. They can also offer a continuous run over the summer if they want.

Looks liked they have learned their lesson from 24...I think its better to start it later in the season & have some week to week continuity than the on again, off again routine they do now, spread over a full season. Kudos to ABC.

The Tivo guide was never updated for CBS last night to reflect the presidential address. Probably because they waited so long to decide if they were going to carry it. Everything was off by 20 minutes.
But someone told me here that the Tivo guide is always correct! ;)

But someone told me here that the Tivo guide is always correct! ;)

It was correct. The network is the one who broadcast the wrong programming. :)

I assume either:

1) Nobody else saw the Lost preview shown during Grey's Anatomy last night

2) Everybody is being very good under the "no spoilers" rule and just aren't discussing it.

I'd think the Spoilers thread should be very active discussing something that was shown, but it's not. :confused:

It was an official preview wasn't it? (I didn't see it because I don't watch Gray's). That's fair game isn't it? So what was it? :D.

I'm very happy to hear the semi-official news about the scheduling for LOST next season. That's an awfully long break in between there though ;). If the first block starts mid/end Sept, it will be almost three months... Feb through May should be sweet though!



ron

I assume either:

1) Nobody else saw the Lost preview shown during Grey's Anatomy last night

2) Everybody is being very good under the "no spoilers" rule and just aren't discussing it.

I'd think the Spoilers thread should be very active discussing something that was shown, but it's not. :confused:

I bet virtually everyone who watches Greys (or who posts on AVS) skips through the commmercials on their DVR. I missed the first Hanso ad two weeks ago because of that. :o BTW, the Hanso gimmick will likely assuage advertisers who fear the results of commercial skipping.

I assume either:

1) Nobody else saw the Lost preview shown during Grey's Anatomy last night

2) Everybody is being very good under the "no spoilers" rule and just aren't discussing it.

I'd think the Spoilers thread should be very active discussing something that was shown, but it's not. :confused:

I saw just enough to spoil (and I'm talkin a Milisecond) to spoil the entire episode...SHAME ON YOU ABC, SHAME YOU

Seriously...THERE IS NO NEED FOR PREVIEWS....EITHER GET CREATIVE AND MAKE REAL COMMERCIALS WITHOUT ACTUAL TV CONTENT, OR JUST STOP SHOWING THEM

I do not want to know everything that happens before watching....total PITA

I assume either:

1) Nobody else saw the Lost preview shown during Grey's Anatomy last night

2) Everybody is being very good under the "no spoilers" rule and just aren't discussing it.

I'd think the Spoilers thread should be very active discussing something that was shown, but it's not. :confused:

Well get over there and get active already. :D

I think I saw that preview... but I must have blinked. (whew!) On another note. I found more Lostie appearences. Evangeline Lilly on Thursday's Tonight Show.

I bet virtually everyone who watches Greys (or who posts on AVS) skips through the commmercials on their DVR. I missed the first Hanso ad two weeks ago because of that. :o BTW, the Hanso gimmick will likely assuage advertisers who fear the results of commercial skipping.

I watch Lost in the HT that has no Tivo, so I typically catch those commercials. Grey's is Tivo'd, but my 30 sec skip put me right at the key moment of the Lost promo.

We'll carry this over to the spoilers thread.

"...(ABC) will not air repeats of Wednesday night performer "Lost" during the new TV season. "Lost" will run "for 7 episodes" in the fall, (ABC Entertainment President Stephen) McPherson said, before making room on the schedule for new drama "Day Break."

"Lost" will then return in late January or early February and run all originals for the rest of the season...."
Great news. No more 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.

I, too, welcome this!

HBO and Battlestar Galactica already have us acclimated to (~13 week) mini-seasons. I'd rather have a continuous storyline with a break between runs, than the on-again/off-again interruptions.

~Dan

I saw just enough to spoil (and I'm talkin a Milisecond) to spoil the entire episode...SHAME ON YOU ABC, SHAME YOU

Seriously...THERE IS NO NEED FOR PREVIEWS....EITHER GET CREATIVE AND MAKE REAL COMMERCIALS WITHOUT ACTUAL TV CONTENT, OR JUST STOP SHOWING THEM

I do not want to know everything that happens before watching....total PITAWow! It must have been pretty blatant. I'm glad I didn't see it then. That is too bad if they are really are spilling some major beans....

I don't mind, and even like, some little teaser previews. But giving up any big plot points is definitely a shame alright.


ron

so, does anyone knows why tonight's episode is called "Three minutes"?

so, does anyone knows why tonight's episode is called "Three minutes"?
Because that's what my DVR will snip off the end of the episode. :confused:

The others have chickens?

v/r,
C-F

so, does anyone knows why tonight's episode is called "Three minutes"?
Because that's what my DVR will snip off the end of the episode. :confused:
LMAO :p

....the amount of time it takes to... :confused:

LMAO :p

....the amount of time it takes to... :confused:

I guess you do it twice :)

Because that's what my DVR will snip off the end of the episode. :confused:

According to TitanTv it looks like tonight it will snip off FOUR minutes.

- Tom

I guess you do it twice :)
HEY?!@#% :eek: :mad:

at least I think that was an insult. :confused:

I hate spoiler discussions, but I wish I hadn't seen what Quino wrote above. :(

I hate spoiler discussions, but I wish I hadn't seen what Quino wrote above. :(
He definitely seems to have a problem with the rules for some reason. I don't understand why when there is an entire thread set aside just for that purpose.

He definitely seems to have a problem with the rules for some reason. I don't understand why when there is an entire thread set aside just for that purpose.

He has pi$$ed me off with damn near every post he's made since he's visited this board, but this one takes the cake.

QUINO-
If you aren't going to respect the rules of this board, I respectfully request you crawl back into whatever hole you came out of. This board was better without your constant drivel, and will be better when you finally decide to log off.

According to TitanTv it looks like tonight it will snip off FOUR minutes.
Not if it wraps up before midnight. I'm totally prepared this time. This recording will have more padding than Hurley.

Micheal is officially 24K. I think Walt is really better off without him.

tonight's clue for all you DVR mavens:

www.letyourcompassguideyou.com

desmond is back next week!! running through the forrest with a rifle

Filler episode right before the Season Finale? Terrible...absolutely terrible

I honestly hate episodes like that...."HEY WE'RE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU ANYTHING BUT MAKE SURE TO TUNE IN NEXT WEEK"

Garbage...FOR CHRIST'S SAKE MICHAEL ASK A FREAKING QUESTION INSTEAD OF DEMANDING TO SEE WALT

AND I THOUGHT ALL THE ISLANDERS HAD LOST THEIR MIND WHEN THEY were going to let Michael control them liek that........Sayid is the only one wiith half a brain

Tonight's episode explained alot about Michael's behavior. We finally got to see Walt again.

What did Walt mean when he said that the Others "are not who they say they are"? Also, I wonder what type of tests the Others are giving Walt.

Next week's preview looks amazing.

Tonight's episode explained alot about Michael's behavior. We finally got to see Walt again.

What did Walt mean when he said that the Others "are not who they say they are"? Also, I wonder what type of tests the Others are giving Walt.

Next week's preview looks amazing.
the others are not who they say they are, they are "pretending" as he said when they were holding him back, we know they are in costume (beard etc). In the least he means they are dressed up to look grungy like that. And to lax you must be kidding right? That wa sfar from a filler episode

Excellent episode! But what happened to the 'flash' shown in last weeks preview?

I thought it was great.

I find it hard to believe that they'll answer the questions they claim in the finale though.

I hate spoiler discussions, but I wish I hadn't seen what Quino wrote above. :(

What I wrote was pure speculation. This spoiler crud is unfair. All I saw was the supposedly spoilerish shot of Walt in the hut with Michael -- FROM AN OFFICIAL ABC PREVIEW! This is insane, really -- broadcast previews being considered spoilers. Yet I didn't state anything about that shot. Instead, I said what I believed the three minutes were about. Michael gets to see Walt, and we already know he was turned. So, he had to decide if he would betray his friends. Apparently my speculation was judged a spoiler and removed.

the others are not who they say they are, they are "pretending" as he said when they were holding him back, we know they are in costume (beard etc). In the least he means they are dressed up to look grungy like that. And to lax you must be kidding right? That wa sfar from a filler episode

what do we know now? They had a good 2-3 minutes of what we had already seen in previous episodes....I mean, I wanted to know where Michael went, but WOULD IT BE TOO TROUBLING TO ASK A QUESTION BESIDES WHERE MY BOY? Like maybe, "WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE???" just give me that...thats all I want...

What I wrote was pure speculation. This spoiler crud is unfair. All I saw was the supposedly spoilerish shot of Walt in the hut with Michael -- FROM AN OFFICIAL ABC PREVIEW! This is insane, really -- broadcast previews being considered spoilers. Yet I didn't state anything about that shot. Instead, I said what I believed the three minutes were about. Michael gets to see Walt, and we already know he was turned. So, he had to decide if he would betray his friends. Apparently my speculation was judged a spoiler and removed.

it was so blatantly obvious that was the case they really didn't need to show us i.e.: FILLER

and the preview spoiled it because they showed Walt...honestly...I'm about to start downloading/dvring all the further episodes and A) watch them without commercials and B) watch them without previews...they ruin the show

...I mean, I wanted to know where Michael went, but WOULD IT BE TOO TROUBLING TO ASK A QUESTION BESIDES WHERE MY BOY? Like maybe, "WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE???" just give me that...thats all I want...

Uh, I think that's exactly what the writers want you to want!

...honestly...I'm about to start downloading/dvring all the further episodes and A) watch them without commercials and B) watch them without previews...they ruin the show

I think the problem is the commercials on OTHER shows, not on this one. The only thing you'd be missing from the commercials during the show is the Hanso commercial. As for the previews, just don't watch them. Here's a hint: THEY COME AT THE END OF THE SHOW! :D

He has pi$$ed me off with damn near every post he's made since he's visited this board, but this one takes the cake.

QUINO-
If you aren't going to respect the rules of this board, I respectfully request you crawl back into whatever hole you came out of. This board was better without your constant drivel, and will be better when you finally decide to log off.

Constant drivel? Oh, you mean participation and speculation. Huh. Honestly, isn't that the point of this forum? Now. Tell me exactly what I spoiled. Someone asked what the meaning of the title of the show was. I said I knew, but that in and of itself is not a spoiler. All I knew is what someone else also said THEY knew -- from watching the preview.

I didn't originally understand about the no spoiler rule, and have abided by that as well as I could reason. However, the definition of spoiler has been bandied about and is rather strict. One cannot be expected to thoroughly understand every nuance, and it is a moving target sometimes too. Even CPanther debated the application of spoilers, and he moderates!

Saying I crawled out of a hole is downright hateful and inappropriate. Months ago, I was somewhat offended by what I construed to be sexist and racist comments here. Those were tolerated and defended by some, and I was labeled overly sensitive. I chose to adjust. I have shown no side of that tendency since, and have not been hateful to anyone. Choose what Ricky did -- block me.

Micheal is officially 24K. I think Walt is really better off without him.

Gold?

I saw the Walt spoiler during Greys Anatomy...glad I didn't post it as I know a lot of people didn't see it...

Also what is ABC thinking putting Alias up against the 24 Season Finale? Have they officially "LOST" it?

Constant drivel? Oh, you mean participation and speculation. Huh. Honestly, isn't that the point of this forum? Now. Tell me exactly what I spoiled. Someone asked what the meaning of the title of the show was. I said I knew, but that in and of itself is not a spoiler. All I knew is what someone else also said THEY knew -- from watching the preview.

I didn't originally understand about the no spoiler rule, and have abided by that as well as I could reason. However, the definition of spoiler has been bandied about and is rather strict. One cannot be expected to thoroughly understand every nuance, and it is a moving target sometimes too. Even CPanther debated the application of spoilers, and he moderates!

Saying I crawled out of a hole is downright hateful and inappropriate. Months ago, I was somewhat offended by what I construed to be sexist and racist comments here. Those were tolerated and defended by some, and I was labeled overly sensitive. I chose to adjust. I have shown no side of that tendency since, and have not been hateful to anyone. Choose what Ricky did -- block me.

My gawd, you just go on and on and on and on AND ON! Aarghhhhhh!

Anyone get on the new website yet? still trying. If he wanted to get Hurley onboard all he had to say was free eats on the other side of the island.. I think they need Bob Villa to help them with that church..good episode

Here is another website: http://www.djdan.am/ which is part of the ARG experience...

Honestly, I'm only disappointed because I had high hopes and was really expecting a lot this episode...it wasn't a bad episode, it was just disapointing to have absolutely zero questions (not even a little one, knowing Michael was doing this to get his kid back was not a surprise)...no mention of the Pearl, no mention of anything....I dunno...

wow....listening to the podcast and I just heard that Daren Aronsky (Requiem for a Dream, Pi, The Fountain) was supposed to direct this episode...WOW...that would have been cool

it was so blatantly obvious that was the case they really didn't need to show us i.e.: FILLER

and the preview spoiled it because they showed Walt...honestly...I'm about to start downloading/dvring all the further episodes and A) watch them without commercials and B) watch them without previews...they ruin the show

But but but....before tonight --

Michael goes to find Walt
Returns, saying he knows where they are
Wants help to get his boy
We know they took Walt
Zeke said episodes ago that Walt was fine, and was special

So tonight, we see Walt. We all speculated that we'd see him before the end of the season. In fact, the whole nation of fans has been rumoring that. Still, to finally see it, even in the preview...

RUINED THE EPISODE FOR YOU??!!

That's a bit much, isn't it?

My gawd, you just go on and on and on and on AND ON! Aarghhhhhh!

Frightening, isn't it? Don't encourage me -- stop reading.

KATE IS HOT!!

well...yes, it did...cuz I did not know he was coming back until I saw the preview...which, is a spoiler;)

whatever, I watched the preview after this episode, and it didn't show much cuz it happened so fast ....THIS IS GOOD...I don't want to see anything...arg I dunno...next week will be amazing (and yet, liek Panther said, I doubt they can answer all those questions)

Honestly, I'm only disappointed because I had high hopes and was really expecting a lot this episode...it wasn't a bad episode, it was just disapointing to have absolutely zero questions (not even a little one, knowing Michael was doing this to get his kid back was not a surprise)...no mention of the Pearl, no mention of anything....I dunno...



Absolutely zero questions?
How about this:
Walt is indeed fine
They're having him do tests
They have recognized his apparent ability to appear where he physically isn't
There's another hatch door
Alex, Rousseau's daughter, told Michael and Kate that Zeke was only warning the lostaways, that his hostile behavior was only a sort of ruse
We see several Others play-acting the castaway bit, with the fish nets, clothes, huts and such.
Locke is healed! And apparently leaving on a walkabout...

I'd say that was all pretty neat stuff!

Only good scene in one hour of filler was my man Sayid seeing through Michael's deception. OK, Sawyer telling Jack he was the nearest thing to a best friend was cool too.

well...yes, it did...cuz I did not know he was coming back until I saw the preview...which, is a spoiler;)

whatever, I watched the preview after this episode, and it didn't show much cuz it happened so fast ....THIS IS GOOD...I don't want to see anything...arg I dunno...next week will be amazing (and yet, liek Panther said, I doubt they can answer all those questions)

I understand. I think it is difficult to avoid any spoilerish material with Lost cast members on so many interview shows, splashed across magazine covers, etc. Further, some posters actually ask for answers, such as "does anyone know what the title of tonight's episode means?" For the record, any part I played earlier today was not intentional.

Only good scene in one hour of filler was my man Sayid seeing through Michael's deception. OK, Sawyer telling Jack he was the nearest thing to a best friend was cool too.


I liked how Sawyer said he and AL got caught in a net. He threw out a couple good nicknames again tonight too, like Grape Ape and Red Beret.

I understand. I think it is difficult to avoid any spoilerish material with Lost cast members on so many interview shows, splashed across magazine covers, etc. Further, some posters actually ask for answers, such as "does anyone know what the title of tonight's episode means?" For the record, any part I played earlier today was not intentional.


Avoiding all the interviews during the week can be difficult. Not passing any of the info on in a post is not so difficult. If someone asks a question, it doesn't have to be answered. They can easily be directed to the spoiler thread.

Absolutely zero questions?
How about this:
Walt is indeed fine
They're having him do tests
They have recognized his apparent ability to appear where he physically isn't
There's another hatch door
Alex, Rousseau's daughter, told Michael and Kate that Zeke was only warning the lostaways, that his hostile behavior was only a sort of ruse
We see several Others play-acting the castaway bit, with the fish nets, clothes, huts and such.
Locke is healed! And apparently leaving on a walkabout...

I'd say that was all pretty neat stuff!

But it doesn't answer anything out-right...we knew basically all of that...or at least had suspicions...and then they just pose more and more questions...

The most interesting line in the entire show was when was Walt said they were pretending...oh well, I guess I can wait patiently another week to see 1 or 2 questions answers and have 50 others proposed by the end of the 2 hours...

Avoiding all the interviews during the week can be difficult. Not passing any of the info on in a post is not so difficult. If someone asks a question, it doesn't have to be answered. They can easily be directed to the spoiler thread.

Sure. I saw that you did that earlier. Nice touch.

Answer 2 questions and raise 3 more. That's the pattern for a successful, long running show of this type. As long as there are always intriguing questions dangling out there and the answers provided are satisfying - who cares?

But it doesn't answer anything out-right...we knew basically all of that...or at least had suspicions...and then they just pose more and more questions...

The most interesting line in the entire show was when was Walt said they were pretending...oh well, I guess I can wait patiently another week to see 1 or 2 questions answers and have 50 others proposed by the end of the 2 hours...

I think we've come a long way since we only had whispers in the wind and a lone burning pyre to indicate Others. If you take the whole season, there have been tons of answers. What about Ms. Clue? What a great name! She's obviously a lead scientist/tester of sorts. Also, there was the doctor (?) who took Michael's blood sample, implying that a test would be done on the blood later -- not your normal action for ragged castaways. Food drops, maps, Henry's mission, Claire's time in the medical bunker, etc. The writers have done a good job of setting the stage for next season. We have a thin but firm idea of whom The Others are. We know they're in opposition to our lostaways. And we know conflict is nearly at hand.

I guess...I just want to know the answers, and it frustrates me when they give us an episode like that just prior to the season finale...I remember the episode before the season finale of last season was much better and made you really want to watch the season finale, this season, it was just kind of like..."we're know you're going to watch next week, so he's a subaverage attempt"....I dunno...next week cannot come soon enough

Hey, cool! I think I'm getting access to the clue website!

I think we've come a long way since we only had whispers in the wind and a lone burning pyre to indicate Others. If you take the whole season, there have been tons of answers. What about Ms. Clue? What a great name! She's obviously a lead scientist/tester of sorts. Also, there was the doctor (?) who took Michael's blood sample, implying that a test would be done on the blood later -- not your normal action for ragged castaways. Food drops, maps, Henry's mission, Claire's time in the medical bunker, etc. The writers have done a good job of setting the stage for next season. We have a thin but firm idea of whom The Others are. We know they're in opposition to our lostaways. And we know conflict is nearly at hand.

yeah...I know...its just so hard to wait a week...the DVDs really spoiled me this Summer...I'm sure when I go back and watch the DVDs, I'm going to be thinking it was a much better season when compared to the first. And I seriously applaud for ABC taking out the breaks for next season and having one big break between the Fall and Spring...Best idea they've had in a VERY long time...

I expect 5 more pages by the time I get back from my exam tommorow and check the boards ;)

Oh I finally got on the site, but its so slow I gave up and will try to play with it tommorow...if you want to see whats on there, check the Jay and Jack webpage...apparently, the Hanso webpage is being update and the Compass page was announced prior to this episode...they have most of the secrets that have been discovered post here (http://jayandjack.com/wiki/index.php?title=The_Lost_Experience)

I guess...I just want to know the answers, and it frustrates me when they give us an episode like that just prior to the season finale...I remember the episode before the season finale of last season was much better and made you really want to watch the season finale, this season, it was just kind of like..."we're know you're going to watch next week, so he's a subaverage attempt"....I dunno...next week cannot come soon enoughI could not disagree with you more strongly. I thought this was one of the most interesting and revealing episodes of season two. I can only wonder if you were paying attention. :confused:

...I dunno...next week cannot come soon enough

Man, you've got it BAD!

Sawyer had a Playboy in his hole. Priorities.

I was on the verge of losing interest in the show after the episode two weeks ago, but these last two episodes have grabbed me again. Can't read this thread too much because discussion of the previews, which I don't watch, is inevitable. Here's hoping for a great season finale...

Weird. The website is plain green, no visible content. Can't edit with FrontPage, and right clicking says "Function disabled!"

tough clue, I'd say.


Oh, and looks like Charlie's in again! that's my boy!
The letyourcompassguideyou.com is a big Chrysler Jeep ad. You'll eventually gain access to http://letyourcompassguideyou.com/usr and the ones you get into will have pictures with Jeeps or scanned letters of orders for Jeeps. If you check the whois for that site you also see that it's owned by DaimlerChrysler. Interesting thing that keeps coming up is "The Mouth Piece." It's an anagram in the video and also is in binary in an e-mail in one of the user's directory (pthomso, I believe).

There's also a video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pna5kuVZDXE

Picture of the boat:
http://kjordan.net/boatthumb.jpg (http://kjordan.net/boat.jpg)
The rocks Michael looked at (interesting formation, definitely man-made):
http://kjordan.net/rocksthumb.jpg (http://kjordan.net/rocks.jpg)
The guarded door (note the rock around it is the volcanic rock around the island) with a Dharma logo on it:
http://kjordan.net/guardeddoorthumb.jpg (http://kjordan.net/guardeddoor.jpg)
And finally, Sawyer's stash (note he has PlayPen):
http://kjordan.net/playpenthumb.jpg (http://kjordan.net/playpen.jpg)

Tonight's episode explained alot about Michael's behavior. We finally got to see Walt again.

What did Walt mean when he said that the Others "are not who they say they are"? Also, I wonder what type of tests the Others are giving Walt.

Next week's preview looks amazing.


Two things (in reverse order)

1) Walt meant that they are only pretending to be raggedy castaways. We saw a foreshadowing of this when Kate found the beard/makeup etc in the medical hatch.

2) I still don't buy Michael's behavior. Ok, they promised his son if he freed 'Gale' and brought the 4 people on the list. But when did they instruct him to murder Ana and Libby? He did that on his OWN, as part of his plan to make it look like 'Gale' had escaped and killed them...even Charlie the junkie, in the midst of hallucinations, was smart enough to cause a distraction to get everyone out of his way (when he took the baby). Mike can't do the same? His only solution is murder?

I still don't buy Michael's behavior. Ok, they promised his son if he freed 'Gale' and brought the 4 people on the list. But when did they instruct him to murder Ana and Libby? He did that on his OWN, as part of his plan to make it look like 'Gale' had escaped and killed them...even Charlie the junkie, in the midst of hallucinations, was smart enough to cause a distraction to get everyone out of his way (when he took the baby). Mike can't do the same? His only solution is murder?I think killing Anna was pretty logical from Michael's perspective.

She had just told him that she had planned to kill Gale and couldn't bring herself to do it. So, now he knows where Gale is being kept and he's half in shock at hearing that Ana was going to kill him, which would have meant no deal with Ms. Clue, and no chance of "freeing" Walt.

So, he convinced Ana to let him kill Gale for revenge, a concept that Ana was more than familiar and cozy with. But instead, he kills Ana to ensure that she doesn't have the chance to change her mind. Libby was collateral damage. This also cleared the path to freeing Gale with no one else in the hatch.

Maybe it wasn't elegant, but considering the real-time nature of it, it was pretty effective.

I think killing Anna was pretty logical from Michael's perspective.

She had just told him that she had planned to kill Gale and couldn't bring herself to do it. So, now he knows where Gale is being kept and he's half in shock at hearing that Ana was going to kill him, which would have meant no deal with Ms. Clue, and no chance of "freeing" Walt.

So, he convinced Ana to let him kill Gale for revenge, a concept that Ana was more than familiar and cozy with. But instead, he kills Ana to ensure that she doesn't have the chance to change her mind. Libby was collateral damage. This also cleared the path to freeing Gale with no one else in the hatch.

Maybe it wasn't elegant, but considering the real-time nature of it, it was pretty effective.
Killing Libby worked to his advantage though, because without doing that Hurley probably wouldn't have tagged along. The question is: would he have killed Libby in cold blood like AL if he knew Libby and Hurley were dating to get Hurley to come along?

Ms. Clue also foreshadowed that they would "all be too angry to think" so perhaps there is some type of crystal ball they have or...I dunno, I'm tired :) but do you see where I'm going with this?

But it doesn't answer anything out-right...we knew basically all of that...or at least had suspicions...and then they just pose more and more questions...

The most interesting line in the entire show was when was Walt said they were pretending...oh well, I guess I can wait patiently another week to see 1 or 2 questions answers and have 50 others proposed by the end of the 2 hours...
So, let me get this straight:

Because you happened to guess correctly what Michael's motives were, the episode was filler? While that was the dominant theory, there were a few others (mind control, he simply stumbled on the camp himself, etc.). It was nice to get confirmation. Not only that, some viewers don't spend days on end dwelling on the show on message boards. It was nice to get a real picture of Michael's mindset.

Personally, I got a lot out of this epsiode:

1 - We saw what happened to Michael and just how much trouble the others are going to in order to make themselves look like a ragged band of castaways.

2 - We learned what the others wanted out of Michael in return for Walt (assuming, of course, they'd actually follow through - based on the conversations between Mr. Friendly and Jack, they won't let Walt go). It was interesting to note that Locke wasn't on the list, but Hurley was.

3 - Alex seems to be in a position to provide assistance in the future. She seems to be genuinely concerned with the safety of the Losties.

4 - We essentially had confirmation that Walt's appearances weren't just Shannon's halucinations while he was missing.

5 - We saw Charlie officially give up the drugs. Despite almost keeping one statue, he got rid of them. We also saw that Locke saw. I wonder what he thought, considering how he turned against Charlie. In addition, the scene between Charlie and Vincent was priceless when he brough the statue to him: "Are you kidding me? Did someone put you up to this?"

6 - There was more vaccine delivered with the air drop, and Charlie used it to try to get in good with Claire.

7 - Charlies one and only friend Eko has given up the cause and appears to be going a bit nuts. What will happen to him if every finds out the button is just an experiment? It's become a new religion for Eko and he wants to keep it.

8 - If Libby isn't dead, she'd better hurry up and get conscious before she eats dirt.

9 - A friggin' boat appeared! And it wasn't some half-baked raft or fishing trawler, either.

I guess some people are never happy, but I was. While there have been better episodes, this was hardly "filler".

It was interesting to note that Locke wasn't on the list, but Hurley was.



I woke up this morning with that list really bugging me. . . I can't sync up to why it has who it has. . . they don't seem to be "good" (Sawyer??) and they don't seem to be "bad" (Hurley??). Missing Locke, Eko, who both seem to be connected to the island. . . maybe the others aren't hooked in like that?

markd

I was a bit bored by this episode-and I wish they would kill off Michael already. He's annoyed me since season 1.

So regarding the boat, do we think that's the boat that Michael asked Ms. Clue for as part of his payoff for bringing the 4 Losties to them?

As has been mentioned, Michael may have, ah, overreacted a bit in deciding to kill Ana Lucia and then Libby (which was not intentional), just for a chance to "see" Walt again (notice Ms. Clue did not say they were going to kill Walt, just keep Michael from seeing him again). Since when does a threat like that rise to the level of committing murder?

I think it's pretty clear at this point that Michael is sick - sick with the same thing that caused Danielle to be forced to kill her crew 16 years earlier. And this sickness makes you a bit crazy - and homicidal. It's like it overpowers one's sense of reason.

As to how the Others know so much about the Lostaways, even down to Sawyer's real name, well...... But one thing we can infer is that Locke is no longer wanted by them, no longer considered "good" since he's apparently lost his faith (in spite of what Henry said - looks now like that's another lie). So, will Eko now appear on an "Other-list" once they find out that he's become the faithful one?

So regarding the boat, do we think that's the boat that Michael asked Ms. Clue for as part of his payoff for bringing the 4 Losties to them?

It looks to be a yacht of some kind. Perhaps it's Desmond's boat...? Maybe it broke away from it's anchorage, or Desmond is returning from his self-imposed exile. Didn't see anybody topside.

Next week should be good!

Besides, I'm pretty sure Michael asked for THE boat (the one the others used), not A boat.

I thought it was great.

I find it hard to believe that they'll answer the questions they claim in the finale though.

The writers have been saying they will answer these question in the finale for weeks now. Thay just tells ya there is much more to come in the finale that they arn't telling us. As Abrams said a couple weeks ago, this season finale is the best finale he has ever heard, and Lindelof blows the doors off with an incredible ending. Which I'm sure will mean more filler and terribly boring to many here.

It looks to be a yacht of some kind. Perhaps it's Desmond's boat...? Maybe it broke away from it's anchorage, or Desmond is returning from his self-imposed exile. Didn't see anybody topside.

Next week should be good!

I agree.
I think that boat/yacht has sth to do with Desmond.

Anybody else think the boat is yet another group of "lostaways" attracted to the island?

Or, it could just be the Harlem Globetrotters. ;)

i THINK IT'S THE KIDS FROM jAWS 1

And finally, Sawyer's stash (note he has PlayPen):
http://kjordan.net/playpenthumb.jpg (http://kjordan.net/playpen.jpg)Playpen is BY FAR my favorite men's mag! ;) There's lots of hot screwin' action.

(I haven't heard anyone use the phrase "I screwed her" in years!)

The letyourcompassguideyou.com is a big Chrysler Jeep ad. You'll eventually gain access to http://letyourcompassguideyou.com/usr and the ones you get into will have pictures with Jeeps or scanned letters of orders for Jeeps. If you check the whois for that site you also see that it's owned by DaimlerChrysler. Interesting thing that keeps coming up is "The Mouth Piece." It's an anagram in the video and also is in binary in an e-mail in one of the user's directory (pthomso, I believe).

There's also a video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pna5kuVZDXE

There was text during the ad that said "Paid for by Jeep" or something, which I thought was odd when I was watching the commercial, but that seems to make sense now.

I was a bit bored by this episode-and I wish they would kill off Michael already. He's annoyed me since season 1.Man, I really hope you don't have a gun permit!

I laughed out loud when I heard Eko say, in that deadpan tone of his:

"I left my shoes outside...they were muddy."

I suspect things are going to end badly for Michael. I definitely don't think Walt simply gets rescued, at he and Michael live happily ever after. I wouldn't be shocked if Michael "gets it", and Walt remains with the Others.

Jack's look up in the air in the preview for next week means to me, incoming plane crashing!

It looks to be a yacht of some kind. Perhaps it's Desmond's boat...? Maybe it broke away from it's anchorage, or Desmond is returning from his self-imposed exile. Didn't see anybody topside.

Next week should be good!I think archiguy nailed it, even if Desmond truly believed, he could have repaired the boat in anticipation of his 'relief'.

And if the Swan was just an observation unit until something really went wrong, maybe the others never decided to take their turn.

Could be why they are selecting those four -- the most likely set to cause a "Failure to Follow Instructions".

But that is probably bollocks since [Henry] was messing with Locke.

v/r,
C-F

...In addition, the scene between Charlie and Vincent was priceless when he brough the statue to him: "Are you kidding me? Did someone put you up to this?"...

Excellent 'acting' on Vincent's part by the way.

I laughed out loud when I heard Eko say, in that deadpan tone of his:

"I left my shoes outside...they were muddy."

That reverential attitude for the hatch makes me believe that Eko gave up on building his church, because he found it instead.

I was a bit bored by this episode-and I wish they would kill off Michael already. He's annoyed me since season 1.

Yah, a filler episode, reminiscent of 24 trying to drag out developments just to fill a couple hours before the finale.. After watching 43 mind numbing previous scenes of Michael whining "Walt! My Boy!!!" who did'nt think Michael would do anything to get Walt back and assuage his guilt? The scenes with the others were no surprise in that regard. Still, ya gotta be a stone killer to do what he did. Hated to see Libby buy the farm.

And Michael IS the most annoying character and #1 on my new list of the wanted dead.

Jack's look up in the air in the preview for next week means to me, incoming plane crashing!


From the string of previews, If you think Jack is seeing a plane, then the other snapshot in the preview shows the blastdoors coming down on Ecko. This would indicate that the plane may not be crashing but maybe another pallet drop.

We shouldn't have watched the Scrubs season finale the night before Lost. Everytime Michael screamed about his boy, my theater was filled with the sound of my family singing "I want my baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, I want my baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, "......

If Michael had not been sick, but still wanted to get Walt back, he could have simply held the gun on Ana and Libby while Henry took a powder, and then claim he had to do it or they would kill Walt. The Losties would likely have sympathized and Michael would be back "in the loop". But the requirement to bring 4 Lostaways back to the Others' camp led to his muddled mind doing the only thing he could think of to accomplish that.

Wonder if the Others knew something like that would happen? Clearly, they don't care. The work they are doing, whatever it is, is more important to them then the lives of the Lostaways and even their own. They are "true believers", fanatically devoted to their cause. They don't appear to share the sickness; it's more and more likely that's what the injectable drug is for.

Hurley should stay at camp. That way they can craft a Trojan Horse that looks like Hurley except fill it with Eko, Sayid, Charlie and a couple of redshirters heavily armed.

That reverential attitude for the hatch makes me believe that Eko gave up on building his church, because he found it instead.


Yup....his new church.

Hurley should stay at camp. That way they can craft a Trojan Horse that looks like Hurley except fill it with Eko, Sayid, Charlie and a couple of redshirters heavily armed.
Funniest comment of the thread. And yet - not too far fetched? :)

We shouldn't have watched the Scrubs season finale the night before Lost. Everytime Michael screamed about his boy, my theater was filled with the sound of my family singing "I want my baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, I want my baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, "......
Just to spoil your viewing experience even more during any future scenes with Micheal, imagine Chris Rock's voice as the Zebra in "Madagascar".

I watched Madagascar with my kids and then watched Lost later that night... ever since I noticed the similarity in the voices, it drives me crazy everytime I hear Michael rant.

Did any one else notice that the guns the Other guards had looked like M-1, and when the Other shot at Michael it looked like a Luger. Tie this in w/ the old army knife Ana Lucia took off of the Other she killed along w/ the Big Band/Swing music Said and Hurley picked up and Hurley's comment about "when" is even more interesting.
Also it did seem that the Others really do not have a lot of guns and are interested in getting as many as they can from the Losties. After they took the guns from Jack and crew Zeke said to divvy them up.

Hurley should stay at camp. That way they can craft a Trojan Horse that looks like Hurley except fill it with Eko, Sayid, Charlie and a couple of redshirters heavily armed.

Speaking of Jabba, did anyone else notice how much he slimmed down? I noticed it in the funeral scene.

Clearly the others suspect Michael may have the same "ability" as Walt. Thats why they asked him all those questions. They haven't given up Alex in all those years, why would they give up Walt?

How old was alex when they took her? She doesn't look 16 to me. 16 going on 28ish.

Given the list of Jack, Kate, Hugo, and Sawyer (kind of cool they knew his real name) plus Michael, consider what the effect would be on the show if those characters were removed (for part or all of the upcoming season)...

Given the list of Jack, Kate, Hugo, and Sawyer (kind of cool they knew his real name) plus Michael, consider what the effect would be on the show if those characters were removed (for part or all of the upcoming season)...

I would think the effect would not be good, overall, except it would give some other characters a chance to shine and develop.

When Michael was insisting on who should go with him, he said to Jack "only us, only the ones who know".

Who know what? Who know about Henry? Who know that Ana and Libby were murdered? There were more people who knew about both of those things (like Locke, Eko, and Sayid). What was he referring to?

I have been trying to think on why the Others want these particular four people. My speculation is that these four are important because they have all had visions since coming to the island.

Kate saw the horse, Sawyer saw the hog, Jack saw his dad, and Hurley saw his old imaginary friend. Locke and Eko have also had visions, but the black smoke has met with both of them already. Maybe the others need the black smoke to see these four for some reason.

Any other ideas?

Lost things on my mind.

1. The vaccine has been brought to the foreground again. I'm guessing that it will play a bigger role next week.

2. Since we saw that Lock and Eko could see the cameras in the Swan hatch, it could be likely that Michael's shootings were caught on tape. Meaning this won't be a secret for long.

They don't appear to share the sickness; it's more and more likely that's what the injectable drug is for.

Forgive my bluntness.

I've just read through this ENTIRE thread. I started watching Season 1 in January and caught up to current yesterday. WOW, that was a lot of wasted work time...


There is NO sickness. There is NO antidote/vaccine, etc. Not one person we've seen has had ANY medical problem. We've seen several vials that have no identification on them at all. I think they are simply filled with saline.

Desmond went batty and is a perfect example of someone who is gullible. He's injecting himself and pushing the button because he was told to do so. We have no reason to think otherwise at this point.

When Michael was insisting on who should go with him, he said to Jack "only us, only the ones who know".

Who know what? Who know about Henry? Who know that Ana and Libby were murdered? There were more people who knew about both of those things (like Locke, Eko, and Sayid). What was he referring to?
yea i thought of that too when he said it - what do they all know about? Maybe the others told him 'bring only these 4 since they know about.....", and he accidentily let it slip by saying 'only the ones who know'. He obviously wasnt saying that know about the murderes, or henry, locke knows about everything. There has to be something that those 4 know about that nobody else does.

2. Since we saw that Lock and Eko could see the cameras in the Swan hatch, it could be likely that Michael's shootings were caught on tape. Meaning this won't be a secret for long.

What makes you think there's any recording equipment?

Playpen is BY FAR my favorite men's mag! ;) There's lots of hot screwin' action.

(I haven't heard anyone use the phrase "I screwed her" in years!)

What other phrase would have been appropriately vulgar for Sawyer, while still sounding authentic, but also acceptable over the network?

What other phrase would have been appropriately vulgar for Sawyer, while still sounding authentic, but also acceptable over the network?

"Pork" would have been good. Given Sawyer's earlier preoccupation with the boar that was out to get him...

Forgive my bluntness.

I've just read through this ENTIRE thread. I started watching Season 1 in January and caught up to current yesterday. WOW, that was a lot of wasted work time...


WOW...kudos to you....this thread is huge. I've been reading/posting since the start and I can't imagine going back through it all. Did you at least skip over the 1500 posts that covered what does and does not constitute a SPOILER? :-)

There is NO sickness. There is NO antidote/vaccine, etc. Not one person we've seen has had ANY medical problem. We've seen several vials that have no identification on them at all. I think they are simply filled with saline.

Desmond went batty and is a perfect example of someone who is gullible. He's injecting himself and pushing the button because he was told to do so. We have no reason to think otherwise at this point.

I would tend to agree with you, except when Ethan kidnapped Claire he implied that she couldn't stay with them because there wasn't enough vaccine (can't remember the exact dialogue). He had no reason to lie, as they were apparently planning on killing her all along.

WOW...kudos to you....this thread is huge. I've been reading/posting since the start and I can't imagine going back through it all. Did you at least skip over the 1500 posts that covered what does and does not constitute a SPOILER? :-) Unfortunately, yes. LOL. I scrolled through those pages rather quickly, though.



I would tend to agree with you, except when Ethan kidnapped Claire he implied that she couldn't stay with them because there wasn't enough vaccine (can't remember the exact dialogue). He had no reason to lie, as they were apparently planning on killing her all along.
I'm going to take the opposing view. He had EVERY reason to lie, as they apparently were planning on killing her all along. Also, he mentioned something to the effect of "we have to have your permission" to take Aaron. He kept her drugged with something that made her VERY agreeable to suggestion, then told her that Aaron was sick, then was going to tell her that the baby must be delivered IMMEDIATELY in order to save it's life, but only if Claire agreed. Cue the C-Section, and Claire dies in childbirth...

I know this has been discussed before, but has anyone done a full accounting of the character's fathers? It sure seems that this will have some influence on the story, if not on the overall mystery. I've started a list below, but my memory of the details isn't as great as some folks.

Jack - father dead, was a prominent doctor, drank himself to death (?) as a result of Jack's action
Saywer - father a con man ?
Kate - real father a loser, dead (killed by Kate), stepfather was in Iraq, currently ?
Charlie - ?
Hugo - ?
Claire - Jack's father may be hers, too
Locke - father stole his Kidney, pretended to be dead, whereabouts unknown, rich
Sun - father a Korean gangster, rich
Jin - father a fisherman
Michael - who cares?
Walt - only one whose father is on the island
baby Aaron - father a deadbeat back in Australia
Eko - ?
Sayid - ?
Bernard - ?
Rose - ?

On a separate note, wasn't Clancy Brown credited in this episode? I must have missed him, unless he was the bearded guy.

What makes you think there's any recording equipment?

there was at least one vcr (the one that Locke and Ecko reviewed the latest tape). So maybe there was another one that was recording what was on each screen

2. Since we saw that Lock and Eko could see the cameras in the Swan hatch, it could be likely that Michael's shootings were caught on tape. Meaning this won't be a secret for long.
Echo what tangfoot said - and even if there is recording equipment that's accessible to the Losties, what makes you think that it's working, or that there's enough tape around to record 24/7? The hatch was pretty dusty all around, and we don't know if Eko and Locke explored any more, but there were no VCR's actively recording.
It also seems like they're keeping up the "need to know" policy - do we have any indication that they mentioned the Swan to anyone else?

On a separate note, wasn't Clancy Brown credited in this episode? I must have missed him, unless he was the bearded guy.

yup, Clancy Brown is Mr. Friendly/Zeke:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000317/

there was at least one vcr (the one that Locke and Ecko reviewed the latest tape). So maybe there was another one that was recording what was on each screen

Correct. There was one VCR and one tape.
In order to record from every site, there would have to be a whole wall of VCRs and tapes.

It looks to me like Pearl is simply another experiment. Like pushing the button is meaningless, so is filling the journals and sending them off to oblivion (an incinerator?).

There's no reason to believe any of the Orientation tapes we've seen are anything but psychological experiments in human behavior.

BTW, I am surprised that not one person has ever noted that the Orientation tape for the Swan doesn't mention WHY to push the button or WHAT will happen if it is not pushed. It simply says that the code must be entered.
It is left up to the subject's imagination as to why they are doing what they are doing.

yup, Clancy Brown is Mr. Friendly/Zeke:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000317/

Clancy Brown isn't Mr Friendly/Zeke.

Clancy Brown isn't Mr Friendly/Zeke.


Correct:

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Joe_Inman

M.C. Gainey is Zeke:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0301370/

BTW: Apparently Ms. "Clue" is actually Ms. Klugh.

BTW: Apparently Ms. "Clue" is actually Ms. Klugh.

I thought she was Ms Cleo

Well, then she wouldn't have had to ask the questions, mon... becuase she would have known the answers!

In next weeks preview, wasn't there a shot of a big pile of those vacum tube containers? Could mean whatever the destination of the tubes in the pearl is.

And while I'm speculating, I'm thinking back to the picture of the blond that Desmond had. If the sail boat, as some of you have suggested, is Desmonds, perhaps we'll finally get our Libby flashback, via Desmond??????

[MOD edit] Not a spoiler - tags removed.

I know this has been discussed before, but has anyone done a full accounting of the character's fathers? It sure seems that this will have some influence on the story, if not on the overall mystery. I've started a list below, but my memory of the details isn't as great as some folks.
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Kate - real father a loser, dead (killed by Kate), stepfather was in Iraq, currently ?
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I thought Kate's real father was the guy in the military (seen at the recruiting office as well in Iraq (where he ran into Sayid)) , and the loser who she killed was her step-father...

I thought she was Ms Cleo
Ms. Cleo? Perhaps the Others are all members of the Psychic Friends Network? :p

"I did her" would've been a little more suitable to Sawyer's character, without crossing the line of the censors...

"I screwed her" sounds like something a High-Schooler (middle schooler?) might say...definitely more juvenile...

I thought Kate's real father was the guy in the military (seen at the recruiting office as well in Iraq (where he ran into Sayid)) , and the loser who she killed was her step-father...

We don't know for sure, of course...but the way it was presented, you have it backwards.

Remember, it was implied that Kate's military dad drove her to act upon her "real" dad because of what he thought was her "true nature." I.E. A Killer. That wouldn't work if there was no blood relation between her and the man she killed/vaporized.

Did any one else notice that the guns the Other guards had looked like M-1, and when the Other shot at Michael it looked like a Luger. Tie this in w/ the old army knife Ana Lucia took off of the Other she killed along w/ the Big Band/Swing music Said and Hurley picked up and Hurley's comment about "when" is even more interesting.
Also it did seem that the Others really do not have a lot of guns and are interested in getting as many as they can from the Losties. After they took the guns from Jack and crew Zeke said to divvy them up.

That's interesting.. also after the guy drew blood from Michael he said "see you in the comics/funny papers", which is kind of an old saying you really never hear nowadays. Perhaps all giving the impression these guys have been there a long, long time.

There is NO sickness. There is NO antidote/vaccine, etc. Not one person we've seen has had ANY medical problem. We've seen several vials that have no identification on them at all. I think they are simply filled with saline.


:rolleyes: Of course there is. Besides the testimony of Danielle as to the effects of the sickness, this episode clearly showed Michael being sick, even puking in the jungle. And his actions, as I pointed out in my earlier post, were absolutely not those of a healthy individual. The sickness may be metal, physical, or some combination of both. We don't know yet for sure, but we do have evidence now that it's very, very real.

I think Michael may have the same sickness/insanity that the French lady has.

I thought Kate's real father was the guy in the military (seen at the recruiting office as well in Iraq (where he ran into Sayid)) , and the loser who she killed was her step-father...

That's incorrect. Kate killed her real father in the trailer explosion. The military man is her stepfather. They made that very clear in her last backstory episode (he basically confessed to her).

yup, Clancy Brown is Mr. Friendly/Zeke:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000317/

Clancy was the American officer in Iraq working with Sayid. He is NOT Zeke. IMDB says John Inman or something.

Zeke is M.C. Gainey:

http://imdb.com/name/nm0301370/

I think Michael may have the same sickness/insanity that the French lady has.

Nope. Danielle, for some reason, seems to be immune to the "disease". It was her shipmates that contracted the sickness and had to be killed.

That's interesting.. also after the guy drew blood from Michael he said "see you in the comics/funny papers", which is kind of an old saying you really never hear nowadays. Perhaps all giving the impression these guys have been there a long, long time.

Sort of a WWII era saying (to go along w/the WWII guns, knives, etc., huh?).

When Michael was insisting on who should go with him, he said to Jack "only us, only the ones who know".

Who know what? Who know about Henry? Who know that Ana and Libby were murdered? There were more people who knew about both of those things (like Locke, Eko, and Sayid). What was he referring to?

I think "only us, only the ones who know", may refer to the fact that maybe this whole thing is a large sociological experiment happening in the present. And that Jack, Michael and the few other losties who know that are being asked to come to the home base of the experiment and report in. That no one has really been killed, and Jack knows that, and that is why he is the one always proclaiming them "dead". And all the rest of the odd goings on are just so "whoever" can evaluate human behavior in its most primitive state. Maybe?

I'm of the opinion that there is no disease per se but that any abberant mental behaviour is psychologically induced. It's looking like the island is one big phony front for dubious 'scientific' experiments, mostly on human gullibility. Sorta like us watching the show.

Nope. Danielle, for some reason, seems to be immune to the "disease". It was her shipmates that contracted the sickness and had to be killed.

I have a 1-yr old daughter, and I don't think Michael's intensity to recover Walt is at all out of line. I'm not sure what reduced reaction other listers would like Michael to exhibit, but intense anger, hysteria, and single-mindedness could be ways I'd react as well. I know TV drama tends to numb us (consider how you reacted when Michael shot AL, vs how you'd react if a co-worker killed another co-worker under your nose at work...) but those of us whom are parents should still find some empathy there.

Clancy was the American officer in Iraq working with Sayid. He is NOT Zeke. IMDB says John Inman or something.

Zeke is M.C. Gainey:

http://imdb.com/name/nm0301370/

John Inman was the gay guy on "Are Your Being Served?". :)

Notice how well the ep. moved with no flashbacks?

The recounting of Michael's 2 weeks isn't a flashback since it took place on the island and is central to the story.

I guess the finale will explain why Eko is still going with the charade of the numbers?

Also, the 4 people whom Michael is suppose to bring back seem fated to end up on the island, especially Hurley. Will they really explain why the flight crashed as they teased?

i havent been following this thread completely so please excuse my ignorance but i have a couple of questions:

1. we know that Henry Gale is an Other, but we didnt know this when anna lucia, charlie and sayd went into the jungle to find confirmation that he is who he said he was. He was talking about how his 'friends' would set a trap, and then exchance them for his release to Jack and Locke. We now find out from this last episode that Ms. Clue responded to michael when he asked "why dont you go and get him?" that "we cant do that". why exactly couldnt the others have captured the ones who went looking for the balloon, then exchanged them for henry? they did it before with kate... and since kate is on the list, they could have just kept her then, instead of asking michael to go out and bait kate back in... they had both kate and michael at one point before the exchange.... and they outnumbered jack, locke and saywer, so why would they release Kate only to ask michael to bring her back? and why wasnt Locke on the list? Henry Gale said he came back for Locke right?

basically i'm asking why did henry gale tell those people where to find the balloon when there was no 'trap' set for them, and he knew there was a chance that he would be found out as a liar.

2. I dont know if you guys talked about this, but has anyone considered that Walt has been brainwashed and is just playing up his emotions to get his dad to do what the others want. I think that walt really wants to stay with the others, and he's being dramatic (with the hug at the end, and the i love yous) to really touch on his dad's emotions.

anyway thats what i wanted to say/ask

:rolleyes: Of course there is. Besides the testimony of Danielle as to the effects of the sickness, this episode clearly showed Michael being sick, even puking in the jungle. And his actions, as I pointed out in my earlier post, were absolutely not those of a healthy individual. The sickness may be metal, physical, or some combination of both. We don't know yet for sure, but we do have evidence now that it's very, very real.

I believe Michael was having a psychosomatic reaction to the emotions he was dealing with. He puked just after a heavy situation in The Swan. He has murdered two, and lied to his friends. It's tearing him up, but I don't think he has contracted some virus or disease.

Will they really explain why the flight crashed as they teased?

I'm half expecting the "answer" to be: "Because it split into thirds in mid-air."

:rolleyes: Of course there is. Besides the testimony of Danielle as to the effects of the sickness, this episode clearly showed Michael being sick, even puking in the jungle. And his actions, as I pointed out in my earlier post, were absolutely not those of a healthy individual. The sickness may be metal, physical, or some combination of both. We don't know yet for sure, but we do have evidence now that it's very, very real.

Did Danielle testify anything of the EFFECTS? I seem to recall her saying they got sick and she killed them. The "sickness" could have been of her own imagining.

Michael's "sickness" vomiting was from guilt. He just killed two people in cold blood and he's pretty upset about it. That, and there's probably quite the stench of blood/cleanser in the hatch right now.

That's interesting.. also after the guy drew blood from Michael he said "see you in the comics/funny papers", which is kind of an old saying you really never hear nowadays. Perhaps all giving the impression these guys have been there a long, long time.

Ah, but in Season 1, Walt had a comic book that had a polar bear pictured inside. And later we saw a polar bear in the jungle. Perhaps there IS something to a comic book/funny paper reference.

But who knows? Is it possible that they HAVE been on the island a long time, taking advantage of Hanso's Life Extension Program?

Just to spoil your viewing experience even more during any future scenes with Micheal, imagine Chris Rock's voice as the Zebra in "Madagascar"My daughter mentioned that he reminded her of Chris Rock as we were watching as well.

v/r,
C-F

I did not get a jeep ad at the compass website. I got a rotating compass thingy and then writing and numbers around it - clicked on one and got message from the hatch computer - indecipherable - but asked Y/N so I answered Y and got taken to the following with 23 clickable names on it:
http://www.letyourcompassguideyou.com/usr/
with a security warning about unauthorized use.
About to start clicking on names now.

Has anybody been able to check and see if Miss Klugh (Clue...) was Walt's mother's attorney? Someone had mentioned that Miss Klugh said something almost identical to what a lawyer had said at Walt's custody hearing. Something like "for wanting your child so badly, you don't know much about him."

:rolleyes: Of course there is. Besides the testimony of Danielle as to the effects of the sickness, this episode clearly showed Michael being sick, even puking in the jungle. And his actions, as I pointed out in my earlier post, were absolutely not those of a healthy individual. The sickness may be metal, physical, or some combination of both. We don't know yet for sure, but we do have evidence now that it's very, very real.

What evidence do we have of a sickness?? The way Michael is acting? I don't think that is evidence of anything. He has been threatened to do this or never see his son again, he's frantic & obsessed, but that doesn't mean he is sick. He threw-up outside, but I think that was guilt over what he has done. He wasn't happy about it, you could see the look on his face after he killed Libby. Wasn't he running after Jack when he threw-up? After being shot any physical activity can make you sick.
Danielle said her shipmates became sick, but she never said how they were sick and why she had to kill them - what did they do?? If anything, maybe she is the sick one, we don't know. Hell, being on the island for 16yrs will make anyone go a little batty!
Remember she kidnapped Aaron in an attempt to get her daughter back - different plan then Michaels, but equally bad.

I did not get a jeep ad at the compass website. I got a rotating compass thingy and then writing and numbers around it - clicked on one and got message from the hatch computer - indecipherable - but asked Y/N so I answered Y and got taken to the following with 23 clickable names on it:
http://www.letyourcompassguideyou.com/usr/
with a security warning about unauthorized use.
About to start clicking on names now.

I did not get a jeep add either. Only two of the names provide anything other then the error message - don't remember which two they were, but they didn't provide much content anyway - junk.