What happened to Sayid? I thought he was going to stop the Others.
The Others weren't where Michael said they would be. The plan wasn't a very good one anyway - the Others could have seen the boat easily. I'm surprised he couldn't come up with anything better than that.

What happened to Sayid? I thought he was going to stop the Others.

What will the Others do with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer?
He was at the beach. The camp was empty and he set up the signal fire. They were supposed to meet Sayid there but never made it.

Explain please?

Widmore is a Conglometer (sp?) which is controlled by Dhamra and Alvar Hanso...Charles Widmore, Pen's father or Penelope...

We knew he wasn't the leader because of the way he talked in Claire's flashback.
I thought the fake bearded one took on an authoritative tone in Claire's flashback.

Isn't she on Grey's Anatomy or something?

She was on a short lived HBO series called Mind of the Married Man (or something like that).

Explain please?
Widmore is associated with Dharma. The name was supposedly on the power station in one of Charlie's flashbacks.

He was at the beach. The camp was empty and he set up the signal fire. They were supposed to meet Sayid there but never made it.Correct but I wonder if they will make it back or not...hence `cliffhanger'

She was on a short lived HBO series called Mind of the Married Man (or something like that).

Thanks. I was wondering all night what tv show she used to be on.

What happened to Sayid? I thought he was going to stop the Others.

What will the Others do with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer?
Sayid will save Jack, Kate, and Sawyer. I just ruined the first two episodes of season 3 for you. ;)

Man, "I need to watch that again." :)

I told you all way back when that Henry was the leader. I'm sure someone can take the time to check if I was the first or not. :rolleyes:

WIDMORE

SHE IS PENELOPE FROM THE WEBSITE

He meant Persephone, so it is a bit inaccurate.

Perfect mix of answers and questions.

I thought the fake bearded one took on an authoritative tone in Claire's flashback.
No, he said "He won't be happy" or something like that to Ethan, meaning there was someone above him. And again, "Henry" said that "He's nothing."

This show has strayed a little during parts of this past season, but tonight totally made everything right. I love the dynamics between the characters. Little things like the looks Jack, Sawyer, and Kate gave each other right before the bags went over their heads at the end. Locke's admission to Eko that he was wrong. I enjoyed every detail of tonight's show.

I'm confused as hell, but I did enjoy it. LOL

He meant Persephone, so it is a bit inaccurate.


ah crap...tahts right...still...its close

SBWillie,

I made the connection earflier, he made Desmond race around the world.

There is something more going on with his daughter.

Anyone care to spell out the the answers this show gave us?

Not pushing the biuton is not good.

What else.

TomThey threw a lot out at us for a season finale...a



I bet the whole magnetic light sequence was aweome on a HT...course I don't have mine just yet!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

No, he said "He won't be happy" or something like that to Ethan, meaning there was someone above him. And again, "Henry" said that "He's nothing."
I see what you mean. At the time, it came across to me as "He" was someone off of the island like Hanslo. It didn't seem likely to me that the leader of the Others would be walking around the island and getting caught by the french lady.

In retrospect, maybe it was all a setup.

Widmore is associated with Dharma. The name was supposedly on the power station in one of Charlie's flashbacks.

Actually, it was a billboard. Also, Widmore made Sun's pregancy test. It was also in one other object seen in the show, but not detectable on TV, so as they say, it is a spoiler.

"We are the good guys!"
Hasn't been explained but apparently Jack isn't all that innocent...the rest of the survivors must be decent...cept Jin.

They threw a lot out at us for a season finale...a



I bet the whole magnetic light sequence was aweome on a HT...course I don't have mine just yet!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

honestly, I was still in shock...I was so absorbed in the story, I couldn't tell you what was going on with HT

"We are the good guys!"
Hasn't been explained but apparently Jack isn't all that innocent...the rest of the survivors must be decent...cept Jin.
Why did you exclude Jin? He seems like a pretty good guy in the grand scheme of things.

honestly, I was still in shock...I was so absorbed in the story, I couldn't tell you what was going on with HT

Ditto

so how does demonds girlfriend know to look for electromagnetic activity?

Best question! Unfortunately, the stream of posts is going to lose it. I'm with you though.

Actually, it was a billboard. Also, Widmore made Sun's pregancy test. It was also in one other object seen in the show, but not detectable on TV, so as they say, it is a spoiler.
Well, yes, the billboard on the power station.

Why did you exclude Jin? He seems like a pretty good guy in the grand scheme of things.
Indeed, he saved the guy's life he was sent to kill.

What do you think they mean that Jack, Sawyer, and Kate were "going home with them"?

Best question! Unfortunately, the stream of posts is going to lose it. I'm with you though.


SHE IS CHARLES WIDMORE DAUGHTER....Shes trying to find Desmond....she's got PLENTY of money...and plenty of time...

Why did you exclude Jin? He seems like a pretty good guy in the grand scheme of things.

A corporate thug, a conman, another ruse and killer, and Jack.

Sorry, I don't mean to include Jin with the Listed Four, but he isn't innocent.

SHE IS CHARLES WIDMORE DAUGHTER....Shes trying to find Desmond....she's got PLENTY of money...and plenty of time...

Sure, but that doesn't explain how she links the EMF with Desmond.

The Others need fresh breeding stock. :)

I assume a heading of 332 leads to the only opening in the mega biosphere.

SHE IS CHARLES WIDMORE DAUGHTER....Shes trying to find Desmond....she's got PLENTY of money...and plenty of time...
Indeed. Widmore is connected with Dharma, so she should have no problem getting that information.

Also, how did CIA guy from Sayid's flashback end up on the island as Kelvin? We figured he was in on it by the way he talked to Sayid.

Did Locke and Eko die in the explosion? I guess that they really needed to enter those numbers into the computer.

Also, I can't believe that the plane crashed because of the electromagnetism of the island.

I Don't think so either...the plane was flying off course for quite some time. The electromagnetism incident appeared only to occur for a minute or too.

Plus, aren't aircrafts of this type primarily aluminum? I mean I know the engine and mechanics are not, but 30 000 ft away sheering force? But its quite the coincidence that the two events happened on the same day...

Locke is higher than the hatch by now ;)

Jeeze, another filler episode without advancing the story.

Just kidding.

Glad to see perfidious numbnuts Michael outed by Jack. Hurley can't be too pleased by his 'friend'. Predictable that Desmond was on the boat and that Henry was the Others' leader. Totally unpredictable was the snowy ending. Great to see another smokin' hot babe added to the cast.

Best season finale in my memory. Two solid hours of pure entertainment. Well done, LOST writers.

Penelope. Looking for her love lost at sea. Reminds me of Ulysses (and the James Joyce version mentions the Earl of Desmond, as well).

And don't tell me the writers don't do this stuff on purpose. Heck, in interviews they refer to their show's "mythology."

Indeed. Widmore is connected with Dharma, so she should have no problem getting that information.

Also, how did CIA guy from Sayid's flashback end up on the island as Kelvin? We figured he was in on it by the way he talked to Sayid.

If her father is involved I guess she could have found out somehow - when does season 3 start? :p

this is the worst time to post, because mostly we're dumping our brains. Nevertheless...

So, Desmond had faith that turning the key would shut down the EMF once it got going at full speed. It did just that too. The sound increased to a plateau, then planed out.

The writers want to link the plane crash with Desmond's careless slip on the button. Again, I'm fine with screwy instrumentation, but the break-up remains a mystery. As so often happens with dramatic writing, an engineer or scientist is never consulted. Damned liberal arts majors don't care about that shiite.

If her father is involved I guess she could have found out somehow - when does season 3 start? :p
This fall. Luckily we don't have to wait until January like we do for 24.

this is the worst time to post, because mostly we're dumping our brains. Nevertheless...

So, Desmond had faith that turning the key would shut down the EMF once it got going at full speed. It did just that too. The sound increased to a plateau, then planed out.

The writers want to link the plane crash with Desmond's careless slip on the button. Again, I'm fine with screwy instrumentation, but the break-up remains a mystery. As so often happens with dramatic writing, an engineer or scientist is never consulted. Damned liberal arts majors don't care about that shiite.
Well, the bigger question is how did anyone survive the crash?

It seems to me Desmond is dead, but John and Eko will be alive. Desmond seemed to believe his action was going to save everyone else while costing him his life.

I had a flashback at the end of the comic walt was reading with the polar bear and the north pole, etc out in space. I wasn't too surprised by the snow then. Anyone got that pic again without us having to go all the way back in this thread to see it each time?

Did Locke and Eko die in the explosion? I guess that they really needed to enter those numbers into the computer.The only explosion I saw was the one Eko created with the dynamite. I'm pretty sure that "anomaly" that happened when Desmond turned the key was not an explosion.

Could be just as deadly to those in close proximity, but still...

some people are saying Jan 6th? But I thought I heard they were coming back in the Fall for 7 eps

About 10 minutes prior to the end, a commercial came on that had a guy with his name splashed on the screen, something Bryant or some such, and he started saying "One of the country's best authors" or whatever. Suddenly, my local channel started their commercial stream and that commercial was overridden. I was thinking it was another clue on the Bad Twin author. Did anyone see this in its entirety?

This fall. Luckily we don't have to wait until January like we do for 24.
Isn't Lost going to go without repeats next season? I think I read in this thread that it will be 7 episodes in Sept and then a break until Jan and then 17 or so straight episodes. Did I remember this correctly?

BTW, anyone have any ideas about the 4 toed foot?

The only explosion I saw was the one Eko created with the dynamite. I'm pretty sure that "anomaly" that happened when Desmond turned the key was not an explosion.

Could be just as deadly to those in close proximity, but still...

Well, the biggest clue here is that Charlie was calm and happy. Then again, they did part just before the white-out began. Notice how no one on the Others' dock seemed to worry? Yeah, we see noisy white-outs all the time!

Why is Charlie being so evasive about what happened in the hatch? He totally avoided all Claire's questions!

Questions, questions, questions ... so many questions that have been opened up by this amazing episode! What an amazing series!

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Probably very true

The only explosion I saw was the one Eko created with the dynamite. I'm pretty sure that "anomaly" that happened when Desmond turned the key was not an explosion.

Could be just as deadly to those in close proximity, but still...
What else would've caused the big flash of light? The only way you'd stop the electromagnetic stuff would be an explosion to demagnetize it with heat.

BTW, anyone have any ideas about the 4 toed foot?

cool, wasn't it? Probably a literary or mythological reference.

Sure, but that doesn't explain how she links the EMF with Desmond.

Unbelievable.

cool, wasn't it? Probably a literary or mythological reference.
When I saw that, I suddenly thought of the Colossus of Rhodes. Not sure whether that had 4 toes or not.

What else would've caused the big flash of light? The only way you'd stop the electromagnetic stuff would be an explosion to demagnetize it with heat.

What I thought was interesting was the fail safe's existence. I mean, you've got a computerized EMF diffuser coupled with a fail-safe in case the diffuser is missed. Why not let the EMF go, then cancel it from the very beginning when they designed the fail-safe? Everyone seemed to be well enough afterward (Eko and Locke not withstanding)?

I've got 40 tabs open in Firefox, listening to the Podcast, waiting for Jimmy Kimmel....ABC has me hooked...if Lost was crack, I would have overdosed like 45 minutes ago

cool, wasn't it? Probably a literary or mythological reference.
Yeah, sort of like the colossus of rhodes. It also reminded me of how cartoon characters are mostly drawn with only 4 fingers and toes though.

Isn't Lost going to go without repeats next season? I think I read in this thread that it will be 7 episodes in Sept and then a break until Jan and then 17 or so straight episodes. Did I remember this correctly?

BTW, anyone have any ideas about the 4 toed foot?
Well, the creators wanted to go without huge breaks, but whether ABC will do that, we don't know yet.

Yeah, sort of like the colossus of rhodes. It also reminded me of how cartoon characters are mostly drawn with only 4 fingers and toes though.

I thought of the stone river guards in LotR: FotR.

The writers want to link the plane crash with Desmond's careless slip on the button. Again, I'm fine with screwy instrumentation, but the break-up remains a mystery. As so often happens with dramatic writing, an engineer or scientist is never consulted. Damned liberal arts majors don't care about that shiite.

You mean like ALUMINUM airplanes affected by magnetism? Silly details.

Acceptable in the realm of TV writing where 8th grade science was obviously an option.

Sure, but that doesn't explain how she links the EMF with Desmond.Right.
Things were somewhat explained and newer questions are once again raised. I certainly wasn't expecting a Desmond back-story; they even threw in Libby to boot. Looks like her seeing/meeting Hurley and Dez previously was only co-incidental.

What's so strange about 4 toes? Everyone has them in my universe....Uh, oh.

Okay, I'm not going to go on too much, since this is the wrong forum, but Hanso's got a GREAT opening for an organ courier. Awesome description!

Well, the creators wanted to go without huge breaks, but whether ABC will do that, we don't know yet.
Hope they do. I watched the first season during the summer and through downloads. The multitude of breaks diminishes the interest level.

New web site mentioned in the commercial break

Visit http://hansocareers.com/

Search through our listings and see where you fit within The Hanso Foundation family.

Lemme see, I think I'll apply for the Simian Veterinarian...

What I thought was interesting was the fail safe's existence. I mean, you've got a computerized EMF diffuser coupled with a fail-safe in case the diffuser is missed. Why not let the EMF go, then cancel it from the very beginning when they designed the fail-safe? Everyone seemed to be well enough afterward (Eko and Locke not withstanding)?


so how did the door get shot up into the air? an EMP pulse wouldn't cause that to happen...something definitely happened at the hatch, and I definitely noticed Charlie being absent and not answering any questions

On the podcast, they are saying that the Hanso foundation is REAL and located in Denmark...I honestly can't tell if they are lying...anybody else hear that?

I thought that they had promised to explain the numbers in this episode. Did I miss the explanation, or was that just an empty promise?

i hate to ask this but we had rain in chicago and you know how that is with directv - i missed 20 minutes! last i saw was when kate and sawyer shot the others and michael was outted - then it picked up again with them all captured and tied up.

i searched future showings and its not on again- at least not in the next two weeks-
can someone just give me a brief overview of my missing 20????
thanks!

Rather than just a look ... were Jack and Kate signaling each other? Was there something they had talked about before leaving camp?

Rather than just a look ... were Jack and Kate signaling each other? Was there something they had talked about before leaving camp?
That was the way it looked to me. I thought it was a "Ok...now!" type look, but nothing seemed to come of it.

Also, Libby seemed very sane with Desmond....do you think she was in the hospital because she had a break after her's husband's death???

Rather than just a look ... were Jack and Kate signaling each other? Was there something they had talked about before leaving camp?

I kinda had that feeling too, but what could they have? Hidden weapons? I remember seeing a preview of a podcast where Jorge explains the different looks used in the show. Looks have been prominent in many episodes and are deliberately coached, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was meaningful.

Oh yeah....I think Micheal is gonna change gears and come back to help. If Sayid doesn't kill him first, that is.

Rather than just a look ... were Jack and Kate signaling each other? Was there something they had talked about before leaving camp?

No, I think it was more of a "whatever happens, I'm here for you" kind of nod to each other.

Just my 2 cents.

Oh yeah....I think Micheal is gonna change gears and come back to help. If Sayid doesn't kill him first, that is.
Michael seems pretty consumed right now - I don't think he is coming back unless Walt forces him to.

I thought that they had promised to explain the numbers in this episode. Did I miss the explanation, or was that just an empty promise?
Well, they explained they definitely had a purpose on the island.

Also, it's rather ironic that the watchers who were told the Swan was a pointless experiment were actually the ones with the pointless experiment. Guess the last group found out they were being watched took off.

Oh yeah....I think Micheal is gonna change gears and come back to help. If Sayid doesn't kill him first, that is.


First off, you really think Faux-Gale would just tell him how to get off the island with them all standing there? Me thinks he's going right back to the beach he came from....just like Desmond

Oh yeah....I think Micheal is gonna change gears and come back to help. If Sayid doesn't kill him first, that is.

Echo that.

No, I think it was more of a "whatever happens, I'm here for you" kind of nod to each other.

Just my 2 cents.

Right! And then Sawyer's look was like, "Hey! I'm in on that triangle! I want to give a meaningful look! Jack, you're a dick!"

I would like to send a big thank you to the writers for such an amazing job! A friend who has seen the extras on the DVD's said they have planned this series down to every detail.

When I saw that, I suddenly thought of the Colossus of Rhodes. Not sure whether that had 4 toes or not.

I thought the same thing, but I could not remember the name until I saw your post.

I would like to send a big thank you to the writers for such an amazing job! A friend who has seen the extras on the DVD's said they have planned this series down to every detail.

Not true...they just said on the Podcast that they plan it out in like an outline but don't really flesh out the details until they write the episode...they DO have a plan, but the entire season was not written until they sat down and wrote the episode...

She was on a short lived HBO series called Mind of the Married Man (or something like that).

She's also the DNA tech on CSI:NY

Whose to say that what Locke experienced with the counter hitting zero isn't the first time that's happened. What if the reason the plane broke up was that Desmond fell asleep at the wheel, the mechanism started up, generating a massive magnetic pull, which grabbed flight 815 out of the sky? The human element behing the button could perhaps keep the project/experiment supplied with fresh bodies.

Well at least I can say I was kind of right...I originally posted this back in March.

Well, they explained they definitely had a purpose on the island.

Also, it's rather ironic that the watchers who were told the Swan was a pointless experiment were actually the ones with the pointless experiment. Guess the last group found out they were being watched took off.

That giant pile of air tubes was amusing.

It is clear to me that the island has been co-opted. There was Dharma back in the day, with its wild experiments and goofy 60's feel-goodism. But just like in real life, corporate greed, corruption, and every other social poison took over. Henry and his band of hippies have organized and are trying to win back the world from Widmore and the rest. That's where this is going.

Now I'm just as confused as ever on the printouts. Desmond confirmed that the first 5 digits are the date. Then why doesn't the date flip over every 13 times on the printout? Something's definitely wrong since some only have 6 digits. I'll see if I can get a screenshot of what Desmond was looking at too.

Hmm, Desmond's seems to be the one with 6 digits. 922044:16. But that still doesn't make sense because I see some like 922110:04. So are we to believe that there was a button pressed on 9/22/11?

Anyone have any ideas on why it was so imporant for the one Other to wear a fake beard?

Okay, I think Eko and Locke are safe. When Charlie walked up to the beach and was greeted by Bernard, Bernard asks him "Where are John and Eko?" and Charlie says something like "Didn't they come here already?" This might be to hide the fact that they were dead, but I don't think it was the case.

If the numbers were not pushed, it might have been true that the EMF (not EMP) would not be contained. The EMF could be channeled just like the force from an explosion could be directed through a conduit or a tunnel ( ;) ), and this conduit of the EMF might be somewhere other than Locke and Eko's position in the hatch. It seems that the EMF was channeled out of the hatch leading down into SWAN (where the Quarantine door was before the mishap). Now, Locke and Eko were away from the hallway leading to the ladder-entrance to the hatch, while Desmond was underground below the hallway. This might actually save both Desmond, Eko and Locke. They might get nicked and bruised, but they might survive.

Another clue is that Henry said "WE? We are the good guys". This means that there might indeed be other sickos or "bad guys" in the jungle. Could the two guys Kate and Sawyer fired upon be another group of islanders - "the bad guys" ??

I think Michael will actually go back to the rest of the Losties or Sayid, and will form a rescue party or army. I strongly think - against hope - that haven't seen the last of Michael and Walt.

HUGH MCINETRYE - COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR for Hanso is coming up on Jimmy Kimmel

Well, the bigger question is how did anyone survive the crash?
They had their seats and tray tables in their upright and locked position....

I had a thought. What if, while the magnetic force would have little effect on the plane itself, it affected magnetically attractive stuff inside? You have all those things like the beverage carts, elevators, shipping containers, etc. all wanting to go visit the big magnet in the hatch. Perhaps it wasn't the magnet that broke up the plane: It was all the stuff trying to find its way through the skin of the plane. When some of it did, it was all over...

They had their seats and tray tables in their upright and locked position....

I had a thought. What if, while the magnetic force would have little effect on the plane itself, it affected magnetically attractive stuff inside? You have all those things like the beverage carts, elevators, shipping containers, etc. all wanting to go visit the big magnet in the hatch. Perhaps it wasn't the magnet that broke up the plane: It was all the stuff trying to find its way through the skin of the plane. When some of it did, it was all over...
I don't think we saw anything being pulled in the plane before it broke up.

They had their seats and tray tables in their upright and locked position....

I had a thought. What if, while the magnetic force would have little effect on the plane itself, it affected magnetically attractive stuff inside? You have all those things like the beverage carts, elevators, shipping containers, etc. all wanting to go visit the big magnet in the hatch. Perhaps it wasn't the magnet that broke up the plane: It was all the stuff trying to find its way through the skin of the plane. When some of it did, it was all over...

DId you not see the clock getting crushed? the hatch was getting affected by the mangetism...

BTW, that interview was bs...that gave us nothing

DId you not see the clock getting crushed? the hatch was getting affected by the mangetism...

BTW, that interview was bs...that gave us nothing

I guess I miss your meaning....

I don't think we saw anything being pulled in the plane before it broke up.
There was a lot of confusion at the time. The plane was jumping around, the oxygen masks were down (which might indicate a hull breach) and people were being tossed around. Then the plane broke up.

I guess I miss your meaning....

it affected everything in the hatch, so why wouldn't it affect the plane?

it affected everything in the hatch, so why wouldn't it affect the plane?
Have you been reading the other posts about the aluminum in the plane?

Since people are asserting the plane wouldn't be broken up by the magnetic field, I offered an alternative reason it might be.

*brain explodes*

I'm trying to keep up with too many threads....I'm done...

There was a lot of confusion at the time. The plane was jumping around, the oxygen masks were down (which might indicate a hull breach) and people were being tossed around. Then the plane broke up.
Yeah, they hit some turbulence. Nothing was drawn to the sides of the plane though to explain that theory.

HUGH MCINETRYE - COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR for Hanso is coming up on Jimmy Kimmel
That interview was painfully lame. In a funny way though.

Yeah, they hit some turbulence. Nothing was drawn to the sides of the plane though to explain his theory.
On the other hand, perhaps the landing gear got sucked right out of the plane along with a luggage container or two (the new standards for those things are designed to contain an explosion in a limited fashion so it won't destroy a plane - hence, they probably aren't aluminum). A breach below the passenger area could easily lead to the plane breaking apart. There may not have been anything loose in the cabin that we saw that would have enough mass to really be seen being pulled by the field.

Eh, who knows. I'm still not certain of Desmond and the logs.


I was intrigued by the computers Lenny and his pal were using though.
http://kjordan.net/computer1thumb.jpg (http://kjordan.net/computer1.jpg)
http://kjordan.net/computer2thumb.jpg (http://kjordan.net/computer2.jpg)
Hmm, wonder what went on in the wizard type thing in the background since it updated itself?
http://kjordan.net/computer3thumb.jpg (http://kjordan.net/computer3.jpg)
And what could 7418880 mean?

My Brazilian wife says the two guys at the end were speaking Portugese. Makes no sense at all. And the plot thickens...

;) *brain explodes*

I'm trying to keep up with too many threads....I'm done...

Same here. Information overload. After that whopper of an episode, I'll give it a few months to get the theories all sorted out and check back into these types of threads before the fall season premiere to catch up on like 200 more pages.

My Brazilian wife says the two guys at the end were speaking Portugese. Makes no sense at all. And the plot thickens...
Especially when they have papers written in Russian (?) on the table.

http://kjordan.net/russianthumb.jpg (http://kjordan.net/russian.jpg)

I may be totally off base here, my signal broke up a few times in the last couple on minutes of the show, but the impression I got was Desmond's girlfriend was notified that he used the key. And, if he did and it was a bad thing, she would be upset. I didn't get that from her reaction.

Well, at least there is lots of fodder to chew on during the summer.

I may be totally off base here, my signal broke up a few times in the last couple on minutes of the show, but the impression I got was Desmond's girlfriend was notified that he used the key. And, if he did and it was a bad thing, she would be upset. I didn't get that from her reaction.

Well, at least there is lots of fodder to chew on during the summer.
Lenny saw on the computer that there was an "electromagnetic anomaly detected" which I figure means they detected the stuff that happened after the timer reached 0. They then said they had found it. Which I guess means the island. Penny probably wanted to know where Desmond was and figured her father was up to something when Desmond entered his race around the world. She probably found out he was connected with Dharma and learned about the island, but didn't know it's precise location, but knew what experiments were performed on it. Among those: electromagnetic. She probably found out Lenny knew about the numbers and recruited him to help her. Not sure who the other guy with Lenny is.

4*8*15*16*23*42=7418880 interestingly.

I just rewatched the final scene... I don't think the guy with the glasses is Lenny from the mental hospital. Plus, he identifies himself as "Horace" or something like that when talking to Ms. Whitmore. Am I missing something?

So Walt was too much to handle for these guys? Interesting. I'll bet we haven't seen the last of Walt and Michael.

I just rewatched the final scene... I don't think the guy with the glasses is Lenny from the mental hospital. Plus, he identifies himself as "Horace" or something like that when talking to Ms. Whitmore. Am I missing something?
Did a comparison, and no, that's definitely not Lenny. Although they did look similar at first. Would have been very interesting if it was him though.

Desmond's girlfriend couldnt have tracked him with the "key" unless she knew thats where he was going to end up, cuz the guy before Desmond had it originally...

Also, can we figure out now where the island might be? Desmond or Rasinsky mentioned something about going dead west and could be in Fiji in a week. And they told Michael to go on a heading of 323 or something like that, and they'll be rescued... Someone with navigational knowledge want to take a crack on where a week's distance by boat east of fiji might be?

I like this mega biosphere theory. The heading of 322 is the only way out, but other than that nothing gets in or out. How? The giant electromagnetic reactor creates the huge force field perimeter. You have to hit the button to maintain the field stability. The first time Desmond didn't hit the button, the field must have collapsed allowing the plane in. Then after he finally hit the button he restored it severing the plane in the process (just work with me here...) or something to that effect.

Pen could know about the biosphere project with her money and connections - ie knows what to look for. 'Dharpa' must have started the enitre project back late 70's and it's still running...

Or maybe this is all wrong. Either way, I'm definitely hooked on this show now.

Sounds like Desmond's girlfriend, who does look a lot like Ellen Pompeo of Grey's Anatomy, knew that an electromagnetic anomaly occurred the night his boat was lost, and is looking for the same anomaly as a way of locating him.

And wasn't the kid who plays Walt supposedly growing too fast for the show's timeline? Well, this would be one way of getting him off the show without killing his character.

Michael seems pretty consumed right now - I don't think he is coming back unless Walt forces him to.

Ding,Ding,Ding!!!!!!

When Henry Gail was walking Michael back to the boat. He said that at first he was not happy about the deal the others had made with him. However he didn't feel to bad about it once he heard Walt had joind them.

Did I understand that right? It went rightover Michaels head. I think Walt will turn on Michael once they get out to sea a bit. Or just talk him into going back.

The others kept thier part of the bargain. Michael just has no Idea that Walt is one of them now.

I like this mega biosphere theory. The heading of 322 is the only way out, but other than that nothing gets in or out. How? The giant electromagnetic reactor creates the huge force field perimeter. You have to hit the button to maintain the field stability. The first time Desmond didn't hit the button, the field must have collapsed allowing the plane in. Then after he finally hit the button he restored it severing the plane in the process (just work with me here...) or something to that effect.

Pen could know about the biosphere project with her money and connections - ie knows what to look for. 'Dharpa' must have started the enitre project back late 70's and it's still running...

Or maybe this is all wrong. Either way, I'm definitely hooked on this show now.
If it takes a system malfunction for anything to get in, how did the air drop of food from Darma get in?

...predictable that Henry was the leader of the "others"? yes--but what was his real mission? was it for Locke? doubtful...perhaps to somehow get the "four" to follow/join the others, but when he got caught they went with plan "b"?

When I saw the "foot" I thought: exactly where are they? on another planet somehow? or a really hard to reach location (for whatever reason) that you can only get to and from on a specific heading. I'm thinking this electromagnetic experiment is probably a way to transport things over great distances, and that the "warning" sounds Locke was hearing but couldn't understand was the system telling him that a transport was in progress...ie the food drop without a plane. the blast doors were probably to magnetically shield them while EMF was firing a low intensity discharge for the food drop. They needed the system to continue to function for as long as possible but built in a fail-safe incase it was in danger of falling into the wrong hands....ie used as a weapon. That food could have been stored in orbit or something and was targeted by the system to transport to the island.

I think something happened with the "initiative" that caused Darhma's financial backers to lose the location of the project, but the people who were working the project took over and are somehow fighting the Dahrma initiative's goals...and I'm guessing those goals are somewhat sinister. So the scientists take over and leave the corporations out in the cold...they have a secure location to continue to work from--and I'm guessing that that work is to somehow undo, what Dahrma is doing. They probably don't know what the Losties really know, or who may be among the Losties, so they keep themselves in disguises incase one of them is from Dahrma.

anyway, this is fun--but in all this, I keep asking myself..."what about the black smoke entity?" is it alien/other-worldly? The others don't seem to be worried about it...is it a creation of theirs? "security system " that can somehow read thoughts and tell if you are from the initiative?...or even a threat to the work being done on the island?...like I said this is fun.

We also found out that "Henry" is the leader of the Others on the island - we all seemed to think that the bearded one was. Anyone have any guesses why they all go barefoot?

I think yours truly might have been the first one to suggest that Henry was actually the leader of the Others, way back when. I knew it, hahahahahahah!! Thankew. Thankewvermuch. :)

Regarding next season, ABC has already confirmed that they will run 7 eps starting in Sept., then the balance starting in January with no repeats breaking up those two segments.

anyway, this is fun--but in all this, I keep asking myself..."what about the black smoke entity?" is it alien/other-worldly? The others don't seem to be worried about it...is it a creation of theirs? "security system " that can somehow read thoughts and tell if you are from the initiative?...or even a threat to the work being done on the island?...like I said this is fun.

And hey, not to mention the swooping green eagle that called out Hurley's name! No one's even mentioned that yet!

Ding,Ding,Ding!!!!!!

When Henry Gail was walking Michael back to the boat. He said that at first he was not happy about the deal the others had made with him. However he didn't feel to bad about it once he heard Walt had joind them.

Did I understand that right? It went rightover Michaels head. I think Walt will turn on Michael once they get out to sea a bit. Or just talk him into going back.

The others kept thier part of the bargain. Michael just has no Idea that Walt is one of them now.

I don't agree that is the way it went down. Henry was away from the rest of the Hostiles (new name!) while he was incarcerated. He knew they had Walt, but lost track of their progress with him. When he returned, he first learns that they're going to give him back if Mike brings the Listed Four. He doesn't like that idea, but then they debrief him on all the tests they ran and what they learned of Walt. He said they got more than they ever expected from Walt, and now it was a better deal, so they were willing to keep their word. I took that they were done with Walt, got what they wanted.

The strange thing is, they already had Kate, Jack, and Sawyer when they first met. They didn't want them then, but now they did. Maybe that's what Michael meant when he said he needed only the ones who knew, ie knew something of The Others. Of course that is more confusing because now Hurley knows too, and didn't before, and is supposed to go back and tell the rest not to come out there.

Anyway, I don't think Walt has turned. I just think they didn't need him to answer any more questions. And supporting my theory that The Others may truly be "good" as they've claimed, they didn't kill anyone. The lostaways continue to thin their numbers though. For them, killing or hyper-aggressiveness appears to be a last resort.

When I saw that, I suddenly thought of the Colossus of Rhodes. Not sure whether that had 4 toes or not.
One of the Seven Wonders of the World...
http://ce.eng.usf.edu/pharos/wonders/colossus.html
To you, O Sun, the people of Dorian Rhodes set up this bronze statue reaching to Olympus when they had pacified the waves of war and crowned their city with the spoils taken from the enemy. Not only over the seas but also on land did they kindle the lovely torch of freedom.For years, the statue stood at the harbor entrance, until a strong earthquake hit Rhodes about 226 BC. The city was badly damaged, and the Colossus was broken at its weakest point -- the knee.
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To reach the higher parts, an earth ramp was built around the statue and was later removed. When the colossus was finished, it stood about 33 m (110 ft) high. And when it fell, "few people can make their arms meet round the thumb", wrote Pliny...
http://ce.eng.usf.edu/pharos/wonders/Gallery/colossus_new.jpg

Is anyone else here familiar with the legendary short film Gravity featuring a white-coated scientist named Dr. Waxman who helms an experimental lab on gravitational research? I can't help but wonder whether LOST's Dr. Waxman/Candle is named after this character, especially considering the unique gravitational and magnetic properties of The Island. This short film also dates from the late 1970s, about the same era as most of the Dharma technology we've seen so far.

I haven't been able to find an online version of this short film yet but will post a link if I do.

http://www.us.imdb.com/title/tt0156579/In this spoof of public-school educational films, young Mary Jane asks the question, "What is gravity?" After asking various (dysfunctional) family members without success, she then asks Dr. Waxman of the Karl LaFong Foundation for Gravitational Research (motto: "heads in the clouds and feet on the ground"), who explains that gravity is caused by a substance named GR12. Unfortunately, the world is running out of GR12. The cartoon character Jiminy Gravity then explains (in song) how we can conserve gravity with such practices as sitting on the floor and carrying helium balloons.

http://www.microcinefest.org/MCF2004/FriSatSun2004.htmlGravity - David Wechter & Michael Nankin, 8.5 minutes, 1976
http://www.microcinefest.org/images/Gravity6.jpg
In this classic parody of 50’s educational films, a young Mary Jane’s curiosity about what makes the sun set leads her to the world famous Dr. Thornton Waxman of the Carl LaFong Foundation for Gravitational Research. There she learns about the Earth’s gravity shortage and is instructed on how to take part in a “gravity conservation program” courtesy of an animated musical number from Jiminy Gravity. This early short from the makers of Disney’s MIDNIGHT MADNESS built up a cult following thanks to late night showings on cable’s Night Flight in the 80s.

I found a VHS copy on ebay. I'll watch it tonight and see if I notice any other connections.

If you google "Foundation for Gravitational Research" you'll find lots of legitimate institutes for electromagnetic/health studies.

Ding,Ding,Ding!!!!!!

When Henry Gail was walking Michael back to the boat. He said that at first he was not happy about the deal the others had made with him. However he didn't feel to bad about it once he heard Walt had joind them.

Did I understand that right? It went rightover Michaels head. I think Walt will turn on Michael once they get out to sea a bit. Or just talk him into going back.

The others kept thier part of the bargain. Michael just has no Idea that Walt is one of them now.

Maybe the others helped Walt learn how to hone his skills and he's not really on the boat at all.

What else would've caused the big flash of light? The only way you'd stop the electromagnetic stuff would be an explosion to demagnetize it with heat.

The light was everywhere. I think it was some kind of charging of the mega-biosphere dome. The plane changed course because the charging incident screwed up its instruments. It broke up when it penetrated the dome.

I liked Desmond. Are we sure he's dead? It certainly looked that way, the way they led up to it with the heavy dramatics and stuff. Oh well, great great episode. My head is spinning!

With Desmond's girlfriend a likely regular next season, I think it is unlikely he is dead.

She was on a short lived HBO series called Mind of the Married Man (or something like that).Yes, she was Mike Binder's wife on that fairly entertaining show.

Sonya Walger as Donna Barnes (http://www.hbo.com/marriedman/the_show/cast_and_crew/sonya_walger.shtml)

To close this great second season, can we at least put to rest some old speculation?

1. Everything really is happening, it is no dream in someone's head.
2. The plane really did crash, even if the explanation isn't perfect (I don't think they're going to explain it any more after last night).
3. Desmond was clueless from the beginning, and told the truth to Locke.

Yes, she was Mike Binder's wife on that fairly entertaining show.

Sonya Walger as Donna Barnes (http://www.hbo.com/marriedman/the_show/cast_and_crew/sonya_walger.shtml)

She was also Special Agent Patrice Serxner on Showtime's Sleeper Cell.

And hey, not to mention the swooping green eagle that called out Hurley's name! No one's even mentioned that yet!Hey, and how about that quickie random character-intersect when Desmond meets Pen at night, when he's taking his pants off at the trunk of his car, preparing to go running up the stadium steps for exercise.

Another car drives up, Des casually looks at it as he continues his disrobing, and who gets out of the car to also go running up the stadium steps for a workout but JACK!

I'm always entertained by these unexpected quickie overlaps of the pre-flight lives of all of the characters.

The whole idea that Libby was working for Dharma seemed stronger after this episode. Normal people do not just hand expensive sailboats to complete strangers. ;)

Libby also looked like she was in disguise with that hairdo.

Here's my take...

Penelope is very rich.. bottomless pockets.

She'd been keeping tabs on Desmond since he left prison, which is why she foun him at the stadium (when he first met Jack). She continued to track him thereafter.

She kept track of him sailing trhough the Pacific, but her "people" said that they lost track of him shortly after some odd magnetic anomoly.

Since then, she's been paying some researchers to look for the same anomoly. Aparantly, they were asleep at the wheel when desmond let it occur the last time, and were not able to zero-in on it source (which is why they were in panic mode when the red button flashed this time). Fourtuneately they got to it in time to detect it this time, so they call her with the good news.

Now, why were these dudes in a polar region? Is it easier to detect magnetic fields there, or is the Lost island an "Island at the top of the world" kind of place?

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Now as far as Desmond's not pressing the button bringing down an aluminum plane. It appears that the system failure lasted longer than the one we saw tonight. I'm assuming the Losties plane was already off course - unrelated to anything happening on the island - when the electromagnetic even occured. Now, the event is so powerful it could have done a number of things:

- Pulled the trace amounts of ferous metals that are in the plane, along with various ferous cargo (luggage, etc.) in the plane that caused it to be ripped apart - Just one iron-containing object in the plane pulled through its hull would be enough to rip the entire plane apart (NetworkTV mentioned this theory)

- The event was so powerful that it disrupted the earth's actual magentic field and caused some wacky atmospheric phenomena that was able to rip the plane apart.


.. though I like UaTatoka's force filed theory too

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Now, how the heck they survuded is beyond me!

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The 4-toed foot... Maybe an Atlantis (or alien,or both) reference? Or just more mind-games. Although my first thought was the Colossus of Rhodes too, like some of y'all mentioned.

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dmbatch - I like your theory that Walt is merely projecting himself onto the boat with Michael and he's not there at all... Maybe THAT was the weird look Jack, Kate, and Sawyer were giving eachother.. Only Michael saw Walt, and they were giving eachother a "who the heck is he hugging look" as he hugged Walt like Hurley had his arm around his imaginary friend in the psych ward.

That was a very large dock for a very small boat.

I'm guessing that "going home with them" means a really big boat (possibly the "ferry" referred to in a previous episode) is about to dock and take them to the real base of operations.

Hey, and how about that quickie random character-intersect when Desmond meets Pen at night, when he's taking his pants off at the trunk of his car, preparing to go running up the stadium steps for exercise.

Another car drives up, Des casually looks at it as he continues his disrobing, and who gets out of the car to also go running up the stadium steps for a workout but JACK!

I'm always entertained by these unexpected quickie overlaps of the pre-flight lives of all of the characters.

We knew Jack and Desmond met at that stadium in one of Jack's flashbacks. This flashback just showed it a little earlier and from Desmond's view.

Walt won't be coming back. Not even the writers of Lost can change the laws of nature. That being that the actor playing Walt is aging 1 year for every 30 days of "island time".

Another good episode, full of new questions and a few answers. Looking forward to where this goes next season.

While I can go with the magnetic field causing the plane to crash (or having some influence that contributed to it), I'm still wondering how the "Others" knew the passenger list?? Why would there be a need to know this information if the plane crashing was a random occurence due to Desmond "entering the code" late (I just can't understand the tag "push the button" when it refers to several key strokes.) And why is there so much relation between the characters if the flight was random. Dharma, or whoever, couldn't have had prior knowledge since Desmond's lateness was due to an unexpected fight with Calvin.

I did like the twist of the Perl being the actual experiment. Thought never crossed my mind.

Another question, why does Desmond, like many other Losties, not tell Locke the whole story behind not "pushing the button?" Seems if he would have said, "ya know boxman brotha, the last time I let the timer expire, this place almost came apart. Something about a magnetic field..." Locke may not have been so quick to see what happens when it does. (By the way, wasn't it just the monitor he smashed? If it were me, I'd blindly type in the #'s on the keyboard.)

Last thoughts, least for this post: What was the significance of Calvin not letting Desmond know there wasn't a need for protective gear outside. What the heck was he doing when he left the bunker? Getting supplies? Scouting the island to gather info for the invisible map? A map that, suprise suprise, he didn't talk about to the only other person on the island that knows about it? And how the hell do you keep a grown man from venturing outside for 2 years??

My $.02
Tony

I think Michael will actually go back to the rest of the Losties or Sayid, and will form a rescue party or army. I strongly think - against hope - that haven't seen the last of Michael and Walt.

The murderer of two of the women leaders on the island and the man that led the most important people on the island into a trap is going to go back and be accepted? No way, they should hang him if he does.

Hey, and how about that quickie random character-intersect when Desmond meets Pen at night, when he's taking his pants off at the trunk of his car, preparing to go running up the stadium steps for exercise.

Another car drives up, Des casually looks at it as he continues his disrobing, and who gets out of the car to also go running up the stadium steps for a workout but JACK!

I'm always entertained by these unexpected quickie overlaps of the pre-flight lives of all of the characters.

Yup, but of course that was expected because a few minutes later he rushes over to help Jack when he misses a step while running -- from one of the first season 2 episodes.

Yup, but of course that was expected because a few minutes later he rushes over to help Jack when he misses a step while running -- from one of the first season 2 episodes.Didn't remember the fine details going back that far. I actually didn't remember what Desmond looked like before he reappeared tonight. Brain is currently in overload, still attempting to assimilate all it's been exposed to this season.

It was interesting to see Clancy Brown's character (the guy in the bunker with Desmond) again. He was the guy who turned Sayid into an American interrogator earlier this season.

It sounded like he got tired of the types of orders he had to give and joined Dharma to do something different with his life.

Sawyer had a nice inside joke for all of us fans with his "the Others are aliens" comment. ;)

interesting observations and theories, guys...

So if you take a look at hansofoundation.org and then widmoregroup.com, you'll see that there is a member who belongs to both organizations. Pen(elope)'s father is Charles Widmore, who isn't listed under corporate (probably the founder).

I could have sworn that Charles Widmore used to be listed as an exec on the hanso website, but no longer. Instead, there are a couple of members without pics, includiing a Liddy (s/b libby ?).

There is some speculation going around that Libby/Elizabeth was married to Charles Widmore, and it was his boat used by Desmond to sail around the world. If C. Widmore is associated with Hanso, then Pen(elope) either works for or has contacts with both these companies, and probably had it pointed out that Desmond has become involved with Dharma. The info probably links EMF to his location, so she has her contacts around the world looking for an EMF signal. Would the people who called her be in Antartica ? You'd think that would be a cold climate area close(r) to a location off the coast of Africa, to be able to catch this EMF signal.

When Michael fessed up that he killed Libby and AL, why didn't Hurley attack him, instead of retreating into his own shell and attempt to go back ? Kind of disappointed in that, maybe he was just in shock

I'm wondering if Charlie has been converted to an "other". I mean he was laughing and playing with Claire, with no worry about Ecko and Locke (or Desmond). They never showed up, but C showed no concern about going back in to see if they were ok.

Let's see, Clancy Brown's character went from working for the CIA during the first Iraq war, training soldiers, to the Dharma Initiative, as "punishment" for ordering soldiers to do something. Curious what those order were ? Does that mean the DHARMA/Hanso/Widmore have links to the US government and/or D.O.D. ? Did we ever find out what happened to Clancy Brown's character ? (Last we saw was him drunk out of his mind and showing Desmond the key and lock).

I agree, I think Kelvin actually joined (or was recruited by) Dharma and thought he was actually doing something worthwhile. Perhaps he stumbled on the fact that the outside wasn't really contaminated, but kept up the ruse in order to keep Dedsmond in the bunker.

- He thought the button really needed to be pushed to save the world, so he wanted someone to be able to do it (desmond)
- He needed "alone time" to fix Desmond's boat, so he kept up the ruse of the outside being contaminated and never let Desmond go
- As a last ditch effort to trick Desmond, he said Desmond could go with him on the boat - but wasn't sincere
- Desmond, was probably intent on going back to the hatch, pushing the button one last time, getting supplies, and then sailing away, but once he saw the havoc not pressing the button created, he decided to stick it out a bit longer, and eventually became suicidal, until he heard Locke banging on his hatch!

When I saw the foot, I thought of Ozymandias. . .

And how the hell do you keep a grown man from venturing outside for 2 years??

My $.02
Tony

By faking the need for the protective gear. "You don't want to go outside Desmond, because if you do and you don't take your injections, you're skin will fall off. " ;)

Maybe Kelvin isn't really dead? Sure he banged his head, but did that kill him?

Maybe Kelvin isn't really dead? Sure he banged his head, but did that kill him?

He looked pretty dead to me. ;)

If he had survived, he would have left with the boat (which was right near him) a long time ago.

She was also Special Agent Patrice Serxner on Showtime's Sleeper Cell.She was also on the short-lived American Coupling.

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Oddly enough, on that show she faked an American accent.

Xesdeeni

Did we ever find out what happened to Clancy Brown's character ? (Last we saw was him drunk out of his mind and showing Desmond the key and lock).

Did you miss the scene where Desmond kills him (by accident) when he tackles him and his (Kelvin's) head hits a rock?

Someone else brought this up earlier and in my haste trying to catch up with the frenetic posting this morning, I haven't noticed it being addressed.

Didn't it appear that the Others didn't really seem concerned about the EMF explosion (or whatever it was)? They covered their ears and all, but when it was over they just kept going about their business as if nothing had happened. I would think they'd be concerned if they really believed that it could cause the end of the world. Or would at least send someone to the hatch to find out what was going on... it just seemed strange to me.

When I saw the foot, I thought of Ozymandias. . .

Damn my slow reading...that was my thought too...

Who was Desmond's girlfriend? Have we seen her before?http://imdb.com/name/nm0907427/ has her credits. There is no credit for "Lost" yet so she's new.

A couple things...

1. I'm still not sure which hatch is an experiment and which is "real". We were lead to believe originally that Swan was "real". Then when Pearl was found, they hinted that Swan was an experiment but Pearl was real. Now, with the EMF in Swan and the pipe leading to nowhere at Pearl, we're lead to think that Swan IS real and Pearl is an experiment. However...

If Swan is real, what is with the quarantine messages on the hatch? It seems that Clancy Brown's character thinks there is no true need for the bio suit, insinuating that there is some sort of ruse or deception regarding Swan. The EMF is obviously real but not everything is "on the level" there.

2. Several characters have been exposed to multiple losties in flashbacks. Libby has been seen in flashbacks hith Hurly (mental ward), Desmond (coffee shop) and Eko (airport). Jack's father has been with Jack (obviously), Anna Lucia (bodyguard), Sawyer (bar), and potentially Claire (father?). Clancy Brown has been involved with Sayid and Desmond.

Is it possible that these are all Hanso employees who work in the "real world" to "shepherd" (hmmmm) people to the island/ Hanso's purposes? Is Clancy Brown a plant who was simply there in the Swan to sow the seed of the need to push the button for Desmond? It would appear likely.

3. Polarity. Since the beginning of the show we've seen references to polarity - good/bad, black/white, faith/science, etc. NOw, a central issue seems to be the electromagnetism in the hatch. Magnetism has polarity. One side pushes, one side pulls. After the EMF pulse at the Swan hatch some things seem to have changed, or reversed polarity. Charlie seems to be cheerful/nice/good, when he had been seeming more and more evil. Claire is attracted to him when she had been repelled. The Others are claiming to be "good guys" when they have seemed bad. Just a dumb thought but it makes you think... I keep thinking back to the backgammon game with Locke and Walt, the black and white stones found on Adam and Eve, and other "Yin and Yang" type references to polarity and thinking it somehow ties in to the EMF issue. Can the "polarity" of people reverse? Could the EMF change the nature of people or things from one pole to another?

4. The polar monitoring station at the end. Does this somehow tie in to the Polar Bear from season 1?

More questions raised by this finale than answered!!!! Are John and Eko dead?? John is my favorite character ... would hate to see him off the show! I am assuming that Michael and Will are now off the show?

So now there is no button to push what happens next??? They really fooled me ... I thought if they stopped pushing the button the "psychological experiment" would end!

I agree the writers outdid themselves with this episode ... fantastic! They rock!

I love this show!
It's Michael and Walt. You're thinking Land of the Lost. :p

Damn this thread! How'd I get 6 pages behind!

Any Futurama fans here?

When I saw the big pile of pnuematic tube carrier thingies, it made me think of the episode 'how hermes requisitioned his groove back" where Hermes had to sort through the giant pile of tubes in order to find a specific one...

Here are some screenies:
http://fudaserve.net/gallery/albums/3244-2/hermes1.jpg
http://fudaserve.net/gallery/albums/3248-2/hermes2.jpg
http://fudaserve.net/gallery/albums/3251-2/hermes3.jpg

Excellent show last night... leaves me wanting some more...

So what do the "others" want with Jack, Kate and Sawyer?

My guess... they make good "breeding stock!"

2. Several characters have been exposed to multiple losties in flashbacks. Libby has been seen in flashbacks hith Hurly (mental ward), Desmond (coffee shop) and Eko (airport). Jack's father has been with Jack (obviously), Anna Lucia (bodyguard), Sawyer (bar), and potentially Claire (father?). Clancy Brown has been involved with Sayid and Desmond.

Is it possible that these are all Hanso employees who work in the "real world" to "shepherd" (hmmmm) people to the island/ Hanso's purposes? Is Clancy Brown a plant who was simply there in the Swan to sow the seed of the need to push the button for Desmond? It would appear likely.....

Then how did Dharma/Hanso know the plane would crash due to Desmond not entering the code?? What if he never let the timer hit 000?? I'm just not getting that piece.

Tony

By faking the need for the protective gear. "You don't want to go outside Desmond, because if you do and you don't take your injections, you're skin will fall off. " ;)

Maybe Kelvin isn't really dead? Sure he banged his head, but did that kill him?

So why would Desmond keep up injections of something he knew wasn't necessary? When he left the bunker in charge of Locke, he took a supply of the 4815162342 formula.

That was the best episode of LOST in two years.

Totally agree!!!!

I remember seeing a preview of a podcast where Jorge explains the different looks used in the show. Looks have been prominent in many episodes and are deliberately coached, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was meaningful.


The best look of last night's episode was when Sun was telling Sayid that she was going along with him and Jin. After she said that, Jin gives Sayid a look that needed no translation, it said, "She is a woman, and pregnant, there is no use in arguing with her."

And hey, not to mention the swooping green eagle that called out Hurley's name! No one's even mentioned that yet!

I missed the sound the eagle made...anyone have a .wav file?

Y'all sure that was a green eagle. We paused/slowmo'd it and thought it looked like a parrot. It wasn't very good CGI regardless of what it was. It looked like claymation.

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Last thoughts, least for this post: What was the significance of Calvin not letting Desmond know there wasn't a need for protective gear outside. What the heck was he doing when he left the bunker? Getting supplies? Scouting the island to gather info for the invisible map? A map that, suprise suprise, he didn't talk about to the only other person on the island that knows about it? ... Based on what Desmond found when he followed him and their conversation, he was fixing Desmond's boat for his own escape.

YMMV

So it appears that Henry really did enter the code and push the button when Locke was trapped under the blast door. Yet he later wants Locke to believe that there is no need to push the button, and the Others/Hostiles don't seem too surprised by the gigantic flash of light. They must have wanted the EMF to go off all along.

Regarding the plane being made of aluminum, what if the EMF disabled all of the plane's guidance systems and controls, causing it to lose altitude quickly, and then turbulence tore it apart? Is that plausible?

Funniest moment for me last night -- Ecko frantically asks Charlie (as Charlie is playing the guitar) "Do you know how to get into the hatch?" Charlie delivers his best line ever: "No, but if you hum a few bars I might be able to play it." :D

I think the key line was when Pen said to Desomnd at the Stadium something to the effect of: I have lots of money and with money you can find anything. She will become the key in next season (my .02 worth). My guess is she knew her father was screwing w/ Desmond, knew he was some involved in EMF/P issues and so is looking for something in that area and will spend any money to find it.

The Others are there voluntarily, if they are correct that taking a heading of 332 will get you to "rescue" (note - not to land, but rescured), if they know that, they could leave anytime. However, if not there involuntarily, then Michael and Walt are on a very short trip or Jin, Kim and Sayid will come across them in the sail boat as they head back.

I am most intrigued about by the reaction of the "Others" to the noise and light. There was none, which means there is really nothing to it (the noise and light) or they are totally oblivous about what goes on at the Swan. If the world were going to end in 90 minutes as Eko stated to Charlie, then I'd think if "Henry" was aware that the button hadn't been pushed and things were going badly at the Swan he'd have some kinda "oh S*#t" reaction. That or as soon as it ended he knew it had been contained some how.

And I'm most pissed that "the smoke", "the roaring animals", "the polar bears" and what every was storming through the Jungle have all but disappeared. I still need answers for those.

If Walt and Michael make it "out" - my guess is Pen will find them. She'll be looking for any unusal rescues after the EMP/F event.

I think the key line was when Pen said to Desomnd at the Stadium something to the effect of: I have lots of money and with money you can find anything. She will become the key in next season (my .02 worth). My guess is she knew her father was screwing w/ Desmond, knew he was some involved in EMF/P issues and so is looking for something in that area and will spend any money to find it.

The Others are there voluntarily, if they are correct that taking a heading of 332 will get you to "rescue" (note - not to land, but rescured), if they know that, they could leave anytime. However, if not there involuntarily, then Michael and Walt are on a very short trip or Jin, Kim and Sayid will come across them in the sail boat as they head back.

I am most intrigued about by the reaction of the "Others" to the noise and light. There was none, which means there is really nothing to it (the noise and light) or they are totally oblivous about what goes on at the Swan. If the world were going to end in 90 minutes as Eko stated to Charlie, then I'd think if "Henry" was aware that the button hadn't been pushed and things were going badly at the Swan he'd have some kinda "oh S*#t" reaction. That or as soon as it ended he knew it had been contained some how.

And I'm most pissed that "the smoke", "the roaring animals", "the polar bears" and what every was storming through the Jungle have all but disappeared. I still need answers for those.

If Walt and Michael make it "out" - my guess is Pen will find them. She'll be looking for any unusal rescues after the EMP/F event.


I thought we were supposed to think that the Polar bear was on the island because there was a hatch doing genetic testing on animals.

If Walt and Michael make it "out" - my guess is Pen will find them. She'll be looking for any unusal rescues after the EMP/F event.

Good theory... Pen will be looking in the vicinity of the EMP/F and find michael and walt... interesting!

Can't believe no one has made mention of Dickens' "Our Mutual Friend," which figured prominently in last night's episode. Lots of parallels with the losties/Dharma crew.

Synopses (not mine):
Dickens set his final full-scale masterpiece in 1860's London, creating dozens of memorable individuals: disreputable "waterside characters" who search the Thames for dead bodies, fabulously wealthy dustmen, idle lawyers and shady financiers.

Dickens set his final full-scale masterpiece in 1860s London, creating dozens of memorable characters. All the themes that engaged him as a mature writer are featured here: love and hate, wealth and poverty, honesty and duplicity, and the formation and reformation of identity.

Regarding the plane being made of aluminum, what if the EMF disabled all of the plane's guidance systems and controls, causing it to lose altitude quickly, and then turbulence tore it apart? Is that plausible?Very, except for the part where our heroic passengers survive the plane crash! :D

The Polar bears were being manifested by Walt and his comic book. They went away after Michael threw the comic in the fire last season. The black smoke remains a mystery. Speaking of making things appear, maybe Henry Gale & Co. used Walt’s powers to “place” him on the boat and only Michael can see him. The look Kate & Jack shared made it seem that Michael is sailing off into the sunset by himself. This could be supported by the fact that Walt was being seen all over the Island after he was taken. I bet Michael will run into Sayeed’s boat and he will be by himself. Walt has some powers that I think the Hostiles want to keep and explore some more.

I also think we’re dealing with three groups on the Island. Obviously the castaways, and now we have the “good guys” and then the others. Who were the people Kate and Sawyer blasted on the hill? I don’t think they were affiliated with Henry Gale’s crew. Also, when Michael went to the camp last episode we didn’t see the children running around that were taken by the others. Also we never found out what is behind the voices too, but we heard them when FHG’s crew attacked…….

Y'all sure that was a green eagle. We paused/slowmo'd it and thought it looked like a parrot. It wasn't very good CGI regardless of what it was. It looked like claymation.

That's one big-ass parrot. I can't pause in the theater, but in real time it seemed huge. We thought it was some sort of green round headed pterodactyl (sp?) and couldn't figure out why it didn't prompt more discussion from the characters.

Ok, I have a question that I don't think has been asked: when Desmond washed up on the island after his boat crashed, weren't there three or four guys in haz mat suits that got him and dragged him back to the hatch? I could swear that was the case. And if so, who where the others and where did they go?

Yet again Losties leave out critical, life saving information in their sparse dialog with each other. Dessie doesn't tell Locke that scary wierd stuff like tools flying to the magnet happens when you're late with the button, thereby proving that SOMETHING badish happens when there's a System Failure. And Locke and Eko keep the story of the new hatch discovery details away from the group at large.
Plus both the Others and the Losties on the beach seem nonplussed after the weird EMI storm flash proceeding with a ho-hum attitude. It's like everyone has had a curiosity lobotomy. Their attitude is in marked contrast to that of the posters all over Lost Forums speculating and chattering about our theories. Were folks here to find themselves in the LOST situation would we all suddenly stop wondering and comparing thoughts, instead keeping it to ourselves and trusting in Lord Jack? Don't think so.

Did you miss the scene where Desmond kills him (by accident) when he tackles him and his (Kelvin's) head hits a rock?

I did see that, I forgot about that this morning. Too many things happened during last night's finale

Regarding the plane being made of aluminum, what if the EMF disabled all of the plane's guidance systems and controls, causing it to lose altitude quickly, and then turbulence tore it apart? Is that plausible?Your theory is plausible, but unlikely. An older aircraft like 815 (and probably even newer ones) might lose direction or electronics, but probably wouldn't change attitude or altitude. The tin cans on the shelf on the beach looked like they had been knoked over, but if the magnetic field were powerful enough to pull on the ferrous parts of an airplane (maybe landing gear or other parts as was previously mentioned) from many miles away, those cans would have flown off the shelves toward the source. Desmond's "system failure" only lasted a few minutes at most - it didn't look like things got as bad as during last night's episode. If the anomaly only affected flight 815 for that length of time, they wouldn't have been hundreds of miles off course, as was mentioned by the pilot in one of the first episodes. How did flight 815 get close enough to be affected in the first place? With all of the "right" people on it? I agree that the writers may be satisfied with the "magnetic anomaly" as the cause of the plane crash, but there's too much else going on that is not explained by that.

No need to deal with plausible theories of the break-up when there can be no plausible theory to explain the survival of the fall.

Ok, I have a question that I don't think has been asked: when Desmond washed up on the island after his boat crashed, weren't there three or four guys in haz mat suits that got him and dragged him back to the hatch? I could swear that was the case. And if so, who where the others and where did they go?

I thought that at first also. However, now I think that was just Desmond's only slightly concious perception. Just a camera trick.

I have been trying to keep up with this thread, but I hadn't seen any mention of the planecrash sequence at the very end of the show. Is this just old footage or a new plane? If the magnetic field brought down flight 815, couldn't this one have brought down another? Or do they always show this and my DVR always cuts it off? :)

Regarding the plane being made of aluminum, what if the EMF disabled all of the plane's guidance systems and controls, causing it to lose altitude quickly, and then turbulence tore it apart? Is that plausible?


Although aluminum is not attarcted by magnetic fiedls like iron, it is affected by them. In college, I had a professor who showed the class a demonstration with a very powerful electro-magnet. Once on, you held a small block of aluminum between the 2 poles of the magnet. It was not attracted to either side, but if you rotated or moved the block, it felt like it was in a thick liquid and not air. The magnetic field lines were providing a resistance against the block as it moved. The faster you tried to move the block the more resistance you felt.

Given this, a strong EMF from the Swan might have caused damage to plane as it passed though.

Chad

so what's the deal with the BIG 4-toe foot? and what was Desmond's squeeze doing with her monitors @ some frozen wasteland?

so what's the deal with the BIG 4-toe foot?
It's in loving memory of Sgt. Hulka.

Ok, my biggest question now is why, when Michael and Walt were riding off on the boat, did Alex grope Kates breasts as she was helping her get up!? :eek: and even more importantly why am I the only one who is mentioning this all important question!?

I saw that and can only assume... the hands slipped... on her shirt and caught on camera. ;)

Just like Janet Jackson gained 60 lbs. for some non-existent movie role. :D

Her weight gain couldn’t have been a reaction to all the negative publicity she received after flashing her boob (to promote her CD) during the Superbowl halftime show... that would make too much sense. :rolleyes:

And after all the speculation about timelines, they come right out and say the plane crashed on September 22, 2004 (which just happens to be the date of the show's premiere).

Ok, my biggest question now is why, when Michael and Walt were riding off on the boat, did Alex grope Kates breasts as she was helping her get up!? :eek: and even more importantly why am I the only one who is mentioning this all important question!?

Screen cap?

Ok, my biggest question now is why, when Michael and Walt were riding off on the boat, did Alex grope Kates breasts as she was helping her get up!? :eek: and even more importantly why am I the only one who is mentioning this all important question!?

Maybe the LOST Season 2 'Extended Edition' CD will go into more detail here. :)

Ah yes, the "unrated" version... in terms of "plausible" story lines... how realistic is it that no one has "hooked up" with Kate yet? :rolleyes:

Ah yes, the "unrated" version... in terms of "plausible" story lines... how realistic is it that no one has "hooked up" with Kate yet? :rolleyes:

Sex = Death on this show, so I'm okay with it.

(From Marc Berman’s Thursday, May 25, 2006, Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com )
Primetime Ratings For Wednesday, May 24th

In this final night of the May 2006 sweep (and, sadly, the last night of the traditional TV season), the strength of broadcast television was in full bloom. The two-hour fifth-season finale of Fox blockbuster American Idol, of course, reigned supreme, with a mammoth 21.5/32 in the overnights, 35.36 million viewers, and a 13.8/35 among adults 18-49 from 8-10 p.m.

Despite the success of American Idol, there was plenty of room for the two-hour season-finale of ABC’s on-the-edge-of-your-seat Lost, which finally offered some answers (while also keeping us on edge all summer) Lost closed with a hefty 11.4/17 in the overnights, 17.57 million viewers, and a 7.5/17 among adults 18-49 from 9-11 p.m. Comparably, the season one finale of Lost scored a 13.6/20 in the overnights, 20.71 million viewers, and a 7.8/19 among adults 18-49 from 8-10 p.m. on May 25, 2005. As a testimonial to network television, American Idol and Lost combined in the 9 p.m. hour totaled a whopping 56.76 million viewers.

Earlier in the evening, ABC opened with a repeat Lost clips show at a second-place 6.1/10 in the overnights, 8.39 million viewers, and a 3.2/ 9 among adults 18-49 at 8 p.m.

another observation. Since we found out that faux-Henry is the leader of the "Others", he must have purposely walked into Rousseau's trap so that he could be lead to the 815'ers camp. Or, perhaps, did he make a deal with Rousseau, ie we'll give you Alex back if you lead me to their camp ?

Y'all sure that was a green eagle. We paused/slowmo'd it and thought it looked like a parrot. It wasn't very good CGI regardless of what it was. It looked like claymation.

Dharma animals: The shark with the Dharma tatoo seen after the raft was torched. No explanation or reason for it's existance yet.

The polar bear(s). Was this a breeding experiment (per the black lit wall) or Walt's doing?

The big green bird. I thought it came from a Disney park attraction.

another observation. Since we found out that faux-Henry is the leader of the "Others", he must have purposely walked into Rousseau's trap so that he could be lead to the 815'ers camp. Or, perhaps, did he make a deal with Rousseau, ie we'll give you Alex back if you lead me to their camp ?
Did that deal include getting shot by Rousseau with an arrow?

Because you spelled the word in your post (viral) right, but it's not the word you really wanted.
I'll be darned. I guess these computer microprocessor units have their flaws. :p

Some stray thoughts:

I agree with mwarkw - there may be two other groups on the island - The Others and the Hostiles (Clancy Brown's reference). That may explain Henry Gale's reference of being the "good guys". Also, when Sawyer killed one of the trackers, the other one escaped. None of the Others mentioned it. Were the trackers Hostiles?

Desmond bring the plane down with the "system failure" after 2 years in the Swan and the incredible intersections of all of the folks on the plane, including Desmond seems like a bit too much of a coincidence. This may be AN explanation for the crash rather than THE explanation.

Time and distance things. We have a Cessna with a short range crashing on an island where a large plane got to after 5 hours and we also stumble across an old tall ship in the middle of the jungle. Something is warped.

Henry told Michael that once he left, he wouldn't be able to come back.

There were monitors in the Pearl. Only one (the Swan) was functional. What were the other ones for?

Kate found all of the Others costumes hanging in the medical bunker and it was deserted. Then the Others show up in costumes on the dock last night. Why was the bunker deserted, do they go back for the costumes and why do they need costumes?

Sayid opened the big door in the deserted village and found that it opened to dirt. Why was it being guarded when Michael was there?

If the button, and therefore the fail safe, where designed to relieve pressure build up, won't the pressure build up again? How do they relieve it the next time? What is the interval that requires the relief? Did more than 108 minutes pass after the fail safe?

I have a headache.

Dharma animals: The shark with the Dharma tatoo seen after the raft was torched. No explanation or reason for it's existance yet.

The polar bear(s). Was this a breeding experiment (per the black lit wall) or Walt's doing?

The big green bird. I thought it came from a Disney park attraction.The Producers of this show throw out a lot of details with loose ends that may (or most likely will) never be tied up... but they can't slip much past this crowd. :D

I "knew" Desmond would turn up again before season's end... but I was surprised there was no Rousseau.

done
worst episode ever
time to remove Lost from my dvr!

A strong magnetic repulsion could.

Mark

so how did the door get shot up into the air? an EMP pulse wouldn't cause that to happen...something definitely happened at the hatch, ...

Some stray thoughts:

I agree with mwarkw - there may be two other groups on the island - The Others and the Hostiles (Clancy Brown's reference). That may explain Henry Gale's reference of being the "good guys". Also, when Sawyer killed one of the trackers, the other one escaped. None of the Others mentioned it. Were the trackers Hostiles?

Desmond bring the plane down with the "system failure" after 2 years in the Swan and the incredible intersections of all of the folks on the plane, including Desmond seems like a bit too much of a coincidence. This may be AN explanation for the crash rather than THE explanation.

Time and distance things. We have a Cessna with a short range crashing on an island where a large plane got to after 5 hours and we also stumble across an old tall ship in the middle of the jungle. Something is warped.

Henry told Michael that once he left, he wouldn't be able to come back.

There were monitors in the Pearl. Only one (the Swan) was functional. What were the other ones for?

Kate found all of the Others costumes hanging in the medical bunker and it was deserted. Then the Others show up in costumes on the dock last night. Why was the bunker deserted, do they go back for the costumes and why do they need costumes?

Sayid opened the big door in the deserted village and found that it opened to dirt. Why was it being guarded when Michael was there?

If the button, and therefore the fail safe, where designed to relieve pressure build up, won't the pressure build up again? How do they relieve it the next time? What is the interval that requires the relief? Did more than 108 minutes pass after the fail safe?

I have a headache.All are great questions.

Another thing I've been wondering is the source of the EMF. Is it natural, or is it Dharma-made? I seem to remember dialog at several points referencing 'unique magnetic properties', which would lead me to believe that it is naturally occurring. But then, what happened before Dharma came along and built the 108-minute system?

--

So the code needs to be entered into the computer every 108 minutes. Fine. But why the disclaimer in the first orientation video that the computer only be used for that purpose, and nothing else? Even 1970s-era computer programming would be able to automate that process. If you can program a computer to regulate the electro-magnetic properties, you should also be able to program that computer to execute the commands automatically. So perhaps part of it is an experiment, even if the execution is necessary?

--

People keep referencing a plane crash at the very end - why don't I remember this? All I saw was the hatch door land on the beach.

--

During the scene on the dock, there was a sign that said "_____ Ferry". Did anyone catch the name of the ferry, and is there any basis in fact for it being included, or is it purely fictional?

--

Does anyone have any screenies of early pictures of Desmond and Pen vs. the pictures featured prominently last night? Is it the same woman? If so, then it's clear that the Lost producers and writers certainly have this story planned out. If not, it could be an indication that they pay attention to what the online losties say; I never gave much thought to the original picture, but the online Lost community was very keen on who that woman in the picture was; that perhaps it had been Jack's wife/ex-wife (Julie Bowen).

--

What was Sayid going to do had he found someone at the Others' camp? What if he had gotten himself caught? Certainly FHG wouldn't have gone easy on him.

--

So.... many... questions...

-jim

I just remembered a movie I saw (apparently loosely based on fact) called "The Philadelphia Experiment". The premise was the government experimenting with electro-magnetic force around WWII to either move objects or make them invisible.

The Philadelphia was a Navy ship. When all of the mechanical equipment designed for the experiment was turned on, all hell broke loose. The ship disappeared and when it reappeared, some of the crewmen were partially embedded in the decking.

Wonder if there is any inspiration from that movie here?

Another thought - If the Swan was an experiment, why would they provide a button and/or fail safe device that would cause anything to happen or not happen? Certainly there was nothing in the orientation tape that expalined there was a fail safe device or why/how to use it.

People keep referencing a plane crash at the very end - why don't I remember this? All I saw was the hatch door land on the beach.
It was taked on to the very end. I can't remember, but it may have even been after "Bad Robot."

So, it was Desmond, in the hatch, with the key. :p

This is starting to look like a story of unremitted love and faith between Desmond and Penelope and their struggle to be with each other against all odds. Hard to imagine they won't be major characters next season. The rest of the characters on the show could be just collateral damage to the main theme of Desmond and Penelope....maybe...

I agree with the sentiment that Charlie was acting strange at the end. Seems like there's a major story to be told there.

Very interesting point about the people tracking the group being the bad guys as opposed to the Dharma good guys.

Also, as mentioned, the Dharma group were not bothered by the white explosion. I expected Henry to say, "Dammit Locke", but there was nothing.


"Sayid opened the big door in the deserted village and found that it opened to dirt. Why was it being guarded when Michael was there?"

My take is that it was part of an elaborate deception. To anyone who sees it, your conclusion is "This is where they live."



Things I liked about the episode:
1) That Desmond wasn't one of them. That he was honest (and more than a little clueless) this whole time.
2) The experiment was actually being done on the people in the observation room, not the hatch that we know and love.
3) The foot with four toes. Creepy. Perfect delivery ("I don't know what scares me more") by the man who plays Sayid.
4) "Walt was more than we bargained for"

And about forty other things too numerous to mention.

And amazing episode. Credit to the writing staff for not setting for the easy outs (Desmond was an other, the button was a scam).

It's going to be a tough summer.

-Reagan

Remember way back at the beginning of the season when we smartypants HDTV people thought the Lost people screwed up when we saw a boat way out on the horizon?

http://home.pacifier.com/~scowl/hdtv/ship.jpg

That was actually Desmond trying to escape the island on his boat. They gave us an HDTV cookie. :)

I don't recall seeing it mentioned, too many posts, but, where are all the children, we still haven't seen them....

Ah yes, the "unrated" version... in terms of "plausible" story lines... how realistic is it that no one has "hooked up" with Kate yet? :rolleyes:

Is there possibly a connection between Kate not hooking up with anybody and why a fully stocked shelter has no batteries for Hurley's CD player? :)

She was also on the short-lived American Coupling.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=58086&stc=1
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=58087&stc=1

Oddly enough, on that show she faked an American accent.

Xesdeeni

I mean this in the most neutral way, but what is the fascination some of you have with identifying past shows an actress has been on? With imdb, that stuff's fairly easy to locate and doesn't really expand the discussion of the show. I'm not trying to be critical, just wanting to see your point of view.

Screen cap?
I'm working on it. ;)

All are great questions.

Another thing I've been wondering is the source of the EMF. Is it natural, or is it Dharma-made? I seem to remember dialog at several points referencing 'unique magnetic properties', which would lead me to believe that it is naturally occurring. But then, what happened before Dharma came along and built the 108-minute system?
I think the problem is Dharma tried to harness that power and it became a little too much power.

--

So the code needs to be entered into the computer every 108 minutes. Fine. But why the disclaimer in the first orientation video that the computer only be used for that purpose, and nothing else? Even 1970s-era computer programming would be able to automate that process. If you can program a computer to regulate the electro-magnetic properties, you should also be able to program that computer to execute the commands automatically. So perhaps part of it is an experiment, even if the execution is necessary?
My feeling is that the automation might fail, so they kept humans in the loop. Why they just didn't hire people and made it a sort of experiment as well, I don't know.

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People keep referencing a plane crash at the very end - why don't I remember this? All I saw was the hatch door land on the beach.

Indeed.
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During the scene on the dock, there was a sign that said "_____ Ferry". Did anyone catch the name of the ferry, and is there any basis in fact for it being included, or is it purely fictional?

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It's the Pala Ferry mentioned in the Pearl video.

http://kjordan.net/palaferrythumb.jpg (http://kjordan.net/palaferry.jpg)


Does anyone have any screenies of early pictures of Desmond and Pen vs. the pictures featured prominently last night? Is it the same woman? If so, then it's clear that the Lost producers and writers certainly have this story planned out. If not, it could be an indication that they pay attention to what the online losties say; I never gave much thought to the original picture, but the online Lost community was very keen on who that woman in the picture was; that perhaps it had been Jack's wife/ex-wife (Julie Bowen).
Yes, it's the same woman.

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What was Sayid going to do had he found someone at the Others' camp? What if he had gotten himself caught? Certainly FHG wouldn't have gone easy on him.
No clue, he did go in there a little hurried. But maybe he saw that no one was outside from the boat and went to investigate.

Is it possible that these are all Hanso employees who work in the "real world" to "shepherd" (hmmmm) people to the island/ Hanso's purposes? Is Clancy Brown a plant who was simply there in the Swan to sow the seed of the need to push the button for Desmond? It would appear likely.



I don't share the sheparding theory that many posters have tossed around this season to explain the coincidences. First, if we buy last night's loose explanation, Desmond caused the plane crash. That was a totally random, accidental occurance. No way Libby, for one, would have chosen the flight to get other lostaways to the island because the crash itself wasn't planned. Second, The Others on the island only wanted the kids, and have told the adults never to come around. They may have tried or succeeded in abducting a few, but not everyone who had a coincidental run-in. The whole concept is very passive-aggressive. There are many better ways to coerce people into participation than asking them to survive a plane crash. Take the smooth method in which Calvin indoctrinated Desmond. I have yet to hear a theory that states a sensible motive and justifies the method used over other possible methods. Besides, apparently the fail-safe could have been used at any time in the past to end the dependence on the button.

Ok, my biggest question now is why, when Michael and Walt were riding off on the boat, did Alex grope Kates breasts as she was helping her get up!? :eek: and even more importantly why am I the only one who is mentioning this all important question!?
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Indeed.
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That is not what I am referring to. What I saw was the tail section of a plane flying into the water off just off the coast. I just checked the DVR it must have been after the DVR stopped recording. I am not imagining this. I paused it (while I was watching in real time) to see if there was anything on the tail or any other clues.
Nobody else saw this?!?!

Maybe they’re wearing disguises to blend in with the “others” that are also inhabitants of the island or Henry Gale’s crew fears that somebody from the Lost camp is a Dharma or Hanso big wig so they’re trying to blend. That would mean maybe they are good and are scientists that have broken away from the Hanso/Dharma group and are trying to pose as the infected people wandering around the island.

I still have a feeling Walt is not on that boat. Somebody with those powers I can’t see scientists letting him go. We know he can project himself. Shoot maybe Walt brought down the plane for some reason, quite capable I believe.

Also I read on another board about the polarity of magnets and magnetism and a theory was thrown out that when the EMF went off it reversed everyone’s polarity. Shifting Charlie from getting meaner and bad to good & fun, etc. Also maybe Locke will be paralyzed again and Rose will get sick again. Charlie didn’t seem to give to shites about Ecko and Locke back in the bunker.

Yes, it's the same woman.

I think he's referring to the pic shown in the bunker early on.

It is a tropical island, big green eagle??? At least a couple of us saw it as a parrot.

Is "PALA" an acronym?

Thanks for all the screenies, kmj0577 :).

Especially the one of Kate. My question there is, why doesn't she have a face in that picture? :confused:

-jim

Especially the one of Kate. My question there is, why doesn't she have a face in that picture? :confused:

-jim

:D
That threw me off when I went back to look. She's looking to her right.

There have been several mentions of a plane crash at the very end of the episode after the credits. I've seen posts about it on other sites.

:D
That threw me off when I went back to look. She's looking to her right.
Who was looking at her face..? :p

Is "PALA" an acronym?
Interesting:

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Pala_Ferry

* Pala is a utopian island in a book called "Island" by Aldous Huxley ("Brave New World"). (plot summary) To quote from Wikipedia:

Island explores many of the themes and ideas that interested Huxley in the Post World War II decades, and were the subject of many of his nonfiction books of essays, Including Brave New World Revisited, Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow, The Doors of Perception, and The Perennial Philosophy. Some of these themes and ideas include overpopulation, ecology, modernity, democracy, mysticism, entheogens, and somatypes.

The culture of Pala is the offspring of a Scottish Secular Humanist medical doctor, shipwrecked on the island in the 19th century, who partners with the Pala's raja, who embodies the island's Mahayana Buddhist tradition, to create a society that merges the best, in Huxley's view, of east and west. The Old Raja's Notes on What's What, a philosophical treatise, is a book within the book that explain's Pala's philosophical foundations.

That is not what I am referring to. What I saw was the tail section of a plane flying into the water off just off the coast. I just checked the DVR it must have been after the DVR stopped recording. I am not imagining this. I paused it (while I was watching in real time) to see if there was anything on the tail or any other clues.
Nobody else saw this?!?!
What part did you see that in? I'll see if I can find it. Nothing so far.

Ok, my biggest question now is why, when Michael and Walt were riding off on the boat, did Alex grope Kates breasts as she was helping her get up!? and even more importantly why am I the only one who is mentioning this all important question!?

Yeah I noticed that, thought it was pretty funny...

what's the deal with this tail section? was it before or after the credits? Was it when the Hatc dropped?

I think he's referring to the pic shown in the bunker early on.Yeah, from one of the first few eps this season.

I think he's referring to the pic shown in the bunker early on.
What do you mean? When we see Desmond for the first time this season?

Edit: Yep, that's what he meant. I don't have those eps at the moment, but maybe someone else does. They're starting repeats next week, so they'll possibly show that one.

:D
That threw me off when I went back to look. She's looking to her right.Even so, she still doesn't have eyes -- or eye sockets, or a nose, or anything...

For that matter, looking at Alex's hands, Kate doesn't appear to have much of an, umm, chest either.

It's not really Kate! Boy, are they gonna be surprised... ;)

-jim

Interesting:

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Pala_Ferry
Very interesting indeed. Many of those concepts are being played out in this show.

I think the tail section of a plane footage everyone keeps mentioning is simply the footage we had from earlier in the year about the Tailies from Flight 815. That had shown up in several of the previews for the finale. It seems like it appeared after the show in some markets for some reason (I'm certain it wasn't shown when I was watching).

I think the tail section of a plane footage everyone keeps mentioning is simply the footage we had from earlier in the year about the Tailies from Flight 815. That had shown up in several of the previews for the finale. It seems like it appeared after the show in some markets for some reason (I'm certain it wasn't shown when I was watching).
Yeah, I certainly didn't get anything like that. It went from the credits with an ad for some new show above them straight into the news.

Even so, she still doesn't have eyes -- or eye sockets, or a nose, or anything...

For that matter, looking at Alex's hands, Kate doesn't appear to have much of an, umm, chest either.

It's not really Kate! Boy, are they gonna be surprised... ;)

-jim
Yes she does, she's looking at Jack, the strand of hair on her left(looking at the pic) is on her left cheek.

What do you mean? When we see Desmond for the first time this season?

Edit: Yep, that's what he meant. I don't have those eps at the moment, but maybe someone else does. They're starting repeats next week, so they'll possibly show that one.

No, it's not the same person...

(Thanks, GIS!)

http://folk.ntnu.no/jonkjeti/Lost/Desmond-bilde.jpg
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/desmondPhoto.jpg

I think Desmond was right when he said they live inside a snowglobe.

No, it's not the same person...

(Thanks, GIS!)

http://folk.ntnu.no/jonkjeti/Lost/Desmond-bilde.jpg
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/desmondPhoto.jpg
Yep, picture is different too. In one she has her mouth open, the newer one is closed. The background changed too.

It's in loving memory of Sgt. Hulka.

Just in case no one else said so, I'm with you on this.

I think the tail section of a plane footage everyone keeps mentioning is simply the footage we had from earlier in the year about the Tailies from Flight 815. That had shown up in several of the previews for the finale. It seems like it appeared after the show in some markets for some reason (I'm certain it wasn't shown when I was watching).
My DVR cut off after "Bad Rbot", then some ABC show promo, and then "Stay Tuned for the News and Nightline" (or something like that). I think it must have been just after that. It was very easy to miss. Literally just a few seconds.

The Swan hatch can easily be an experiment with real consequences... like those where one person has to deliver an electrical shock to another person, see how far they will go... The experiment would be over real quick if the "subjects" realized that nothing happened when they didnt push the button. So even if the magnetic field/buildup doesnt really have any big consequences, it sure would scare the hell out of anyone in there.

My question is, why didnt the blue glowing light come on to illuminate the map again when the timer went off? And has desmond ever seen the completed (or partially completed) map all lit up? He was there when Kelvin was painting it, so did Desmond add to it on his own?

It's so disappointing to think that the writers are simply making all this up as they go along.

The Swan hatch can easily be an experiment with real consequences... like those where one person has to deliver an electrical shock to another person, see how far they will go... The experiment would be over real quick if the "subjects" realized that nothing happened when they didnt push the button. So even if the magnetic field/buildup doesnt really have any big consequences, it sure would scare the hell out of anyone in there.

My question is, why didnt the blue glowing light come on to illuminate the map again when the timer went off? And has desmond ever seen the completed (or partially completed) map all lit up? He was there when Kelvin was painting it, so did Desmond add to it on his own?
I doubt Desmond added to it. Kelvin was there with him up until Desmond inadvertently caused the crash. And I don't think Desmond would be brave enough to go out after what he saw happen when he didn't press it.

the previews for the finale had the voiceover saying "how did flight 815 really crash?" or something to that effect, while showing a clip from season 1 of the plane crashing, basically a teaser telling us that we'll find out in the finale why the plane crashed there. The finale itself didnt have any part at all where it showed the plane crashing.

Yep, picture is different too. In one she has her mouth open, the newer one is closed. The background changed too.

They'll probably correct this on the season 2 dvd.

The women are clearly different... different shirts, facial expression. However, what's really weird, look closely at Desmond. Everything appears exactly the same on him in each picture, even down to the placement of the shadows and lines from the sun. So the woman had to have been photoshopped into each picture because they couldnt have recreated the lighting, and Desmond's expression, that perfectly in each shot.
http://kjordan.net/penny1.jpg
http://folk.ntnu.no/jonkjeti/Lost/Desmond-bilde.jpg

Do we know why the first lockdown that we saw, when Locke had his legs crushed, happened? Wasn't Locke alone in the hatch when the lockdown started, with Henry Gale still locked up? We now know that you can hot-wire the system to start the lockdown, but there wouldn't have been anyone who would have known that, right?

the previews for the finale had the voiceover saying "how did flight 815 really crash?" or something to that effect, while showing a clip from season 1 of the plane crashing, basically a teaser telling us that we'll find out in the finale why the plane crashed there. The finale itself didnt have any part at all where it showed the plane crashing.
Well, technically they told us instead of showing us. They did reveal that Desmond in fact crashed it (or so we believe, but either they messed up the logs in the previous episode and the one Desmond read in fact does have the date or Desmond read it wrong and he didn't crash the plane).

Do we know why the first lockdown that we saw, when Locke had his legs crushed, happened? Wasn't Locke alone in the hatch when the lockdown started, with Henry Gale still locked up? We now know that you can hot-wire the system to start the lockdown, but there wouldn't have been anyone who would have known that, right?

that occured during the supply drop, so there's probably a link there. We, shockingly, don't really know what it is, though.

. I think Walt will turn on Michael once they get out to sea a bit. Or just talk him into going back.

The others kept thier part of the bargain. Michael just has no Idea that Walt is one of them now.

i totally agree with this. "bon voyage, michael"...indeed.

i haven't seen this brought up, and i'm probably wrong, but i'll throw it out anyway. when locke was watching the end of the video, as soon as the guy who was speaking walks off camera, i could have sworn i saw somebody follow him. and i thought that somebody looked a lot like jack. anybody else see this?

i really believe jack is part of this whole thing. somethings not right there.

Do we know why the first lockdown that we saw, when Locke had his legs crushed, happened? Wasn't Locke alone in the hatch when the lockdown started, with Henry Gale still locked up? We now know that you can hot-wire the system to start the lockdown, but there wouldn't have been anyone who would have known that, right?
Possibly just a short circuit. Or maybe it was activated somewhere else.

The women are clearly different... different shirts, facial expression. However, what's really weird, look closely at Desmond. Everything appears exactly the same on him in each picture, even down to the placement of the shadows and lines from the sun. So the woman had to have been photoshopped into each picture because they couldnt have recreated the lighting, and Desmond's expression, that perfectly in each shot.
Interesting. Apparently they didn't have Penny picked out when they started or somehow they had to change women.

Do we know why the first lockdown that we saw, when Locke had his legs crushed, happened? Wasn't Locke alone in the hatch when the lockdown started, with Henry Gale still locked up? We now know that you can hot-wire the system to start the lockdown, but there wouldn't have been anyone who would have known that, right?

I've already offered a possible explanation for that. Remember the food drop was done without a plane? I believe the experiment was used to transport things to the island from great distances. I'm thinkning the system was programmed to retrieve food automatically, and that the blast doors are set to come down whenever the EMF is in use...perhaps the food was stored in orbit?...sounds crazy, but then this whole show is crazy.

Great Episode last night. I'm gonna have to watch that one again.

A little off-topic, I was watching a rerun of Friends (Season 8, Episode 3) the other day and they used the word Namaste. The maintenance man in their building, Mr. Treeger, is talking to Ross and says that he won't be able to attend their Yoga class later that day. They end the conversation by saying "Namaste" to each other. Thought it was cool to hear that word come up.

i totally agree with this. "bon voyage, michael"...indeed.

i haven't seen this brought up, and i'm probably wrong, but i'll throw it out anyway. when locke was watching the end of the video, as soon as the guy who was speaking walks off camera, i could have sworn i saw somebody follow him. and i thought that somebody looked a lot like jack. anybody else see this?

i really believe jack is part of this whole thing. somethings not right there.
Hmm? He never walks off at the end. He says "Namaste and good luck" and then it fades out on both videos.

If anyone can go back and capture a pic of the balloon AL, Sayeed and Charlie find, the logo on it says Widmore!!! I just had the pic emailed to me but don’t know how to post it!! So the real Henry Gale worked for Widmore!!

Great Episode last night. I'm gonna have to watch that one again.

A little off-topic, I was watching a rerun of Friends (Season 8, Episode 3) the other day and they used the word Namaste. The maintenance man in their building, Mr. Treeger, is talking to Ross and says that he won't be able to attend their Yoga class later that day. They end the conversation by saying "Namaste" to each other. Thought it was cool to hear that word come up.
Well, it is used as a greeting or goodbye in Yoga.

"Namaste" is sometimes used in the context of practicing Yoga as a greeting or goodbye, generally taken as an expression of good will. Namaste is sometimes misinterpreted as a greeting associated with Yoga only, but it is much more widely used than that in South Asia, particularly in greeting elders. Moreover, it is used throughout Asia, especially in the context of Buddhism or Buddhist cultures, even though it is known by different names in some languages.

Namaste is a Hindi word, and hence has widespread use in North India where Hindi and its dialects are the languages spoken. Gassho is the term used in Japanese contexts for the hand-gesture, and for the wider bowing, as a whole. In Thailand, the gesture is known as wai (pronounced "why" with a rising tone).

In some parts of India (for example, Punjabi-speaking areas), Namaste is used only to greet Hindus. The proper greeting for Muslims and Sikhs being Assalamu Alaikum and Sat Sri Akaal respectively.

In those pictures of Desmond and Penny, why wouldn't they at least have her wear the same shirt as the girl in the original picture? It appears the new woman is photoshopped in, so they went to the trouble of doing that, but couldn't make sure she was at least wearing the same thing.

I definetly saw the footage of the plane crash at the end. It was after "bad robot", after the credits. First they showed a promo for an ABC show, then an out of place "Stay tuned for your local news and nightline" both of these while the credits were still rolling on the bottom fifth of the screen. It appeared after that, lasted 5 seconds.

I padded my DVR 10 minutes(knowing I could stop it early), and I stopped it at or right after the credits, but I'm not sure if I got it or not, I will check tonight.

It lasted about 5 seconds, and sure looked like the first 5 seconds of the hour recap that started at 8:00(which was the same show about 4 weeks ago before they started these last 3-4 episodes in May). Shows the plane from afar, crashing into the water. I thought maybe it was a station/programming glitch, because I believe it happened at 11:00, and IMMEDIATLY after it was over the intro to my station's 11:00 news started up.

Its sounding like it was just a station glitch, not all markets saw this people are reporting. But with this show, you learn to question EVERYTHING :cool:

I definetly saw the footage of the plane crash at the end. It was after "bad robot", after the credits. I padded my DVR 10 minutes(knowing I could stop it early), and I stopped it at or right after the credits, but I'm not sure if I got it or not, I will check tonight.

It lasted about 5 seconds, and sure looked like the first 5 seconds of the hour recap that started at 8:00(which was the same show about 4 weeks ago before they started these last 3-4 episodes in May). Shows the plane from afar, crashing into the water. I thought maybe it was a station/programming glitch, because I believe it happened at 11:00, and IMMEDIATLY after it was over the intro to my station's 11:00 news started up.

Did they make another plane crash? Very odd this was after the credits... but then again the hanso commercials are out of context of when the show is running.
Must have been your station glitching, I definitely didn't get anything like that. I just saw the ABC logo fade out on the credits and went directly into news.

I definetly saw the footage of the plane crash at the end. It was after "bad robot", after the credits. I padded my DVR 10 minutes(knowing I could stop it early), and I stopped it at or right after the credits, but I'm not sure if I got it or not, I will check tonight.

It lasted about 5 seconds, and sure looked like the first 5 seconds of the hour recap that started at 8:00(which was the same show about 4 weeks ago before they started these last 3-4 episodes in May). Shows the plane from afar, crashing into the water. I thought maybe it was a station/programming glitch, because I believe it happened at 11:00, and IMMEDIATLY after it was over the intro to my station's 11:00 news started up.

Did they make another plane crash? Very odd this was after the credits... but then again the hanso commercials are out of context of when the show is running.

No plane crash post credits in DC.

...By the way, wasn't it just the monitor he smashed? If it were me, I'd blindly type in the #'s on the keyboard...
I thought of that, too. However, in the world of TV and movies, turning off or destroying the monitor = computer off or dead. Take the grade-changing scene from "War Games" or the final scene of "Stand By Me" as other examples.

Interesting. Apparently they didn't have Penny picked out when they started or somehow they had to change women.

The actress originally conceived for the role could have taken other work - perhaps a pilot for a new show - so they had to substitute this new gal. No biggie. Nothing to see here, folks; move along. ;)

The new gal is a bona fide hottie, though. Saw her first a few months back on Showtime's excellent 'Sleeper Cell'.