Originally posted by mx6bfast
You might want to stop reading this thread now until you watch it. Unless you want to know what happened.

since I did catch the last 1/2 hour, yes, I'd like to know what I missed in the first 1/2 hr

Originally posted by kblee
Single parents-Michael
Unplanned pregnancy-Claire
Obesity-Harley
Criminals who may be a victim of circumstance-Kate
Drug addiction-Charlie
Apathy towards disabled persons-Locke
Homosexuality-Jack (yes, I believe he is gay)
Commercialism-Shannen
Angry white man-Sawyer

They are a diverse bunch and an international bunch, as well. But they really need each other. Is this representative of America needing to come together and unite to survive?

Then there's the monster. A big mysterious monster. Is this the government? Is this our enemies? Is this a Big Brother scenario?


Maybe the seven deadly sins and the purgatory theory??

Originally posted by NorthJersey
since I did catch the last 1/2 hour, yes, I'd like to know what I missed in the first 1/2 hr

Probably not in order:

Charlie was being chased by a wile boar. While the boar was chasing him Locke caught the boar in a net. Charlie asked for his drugs back and Locke said he would give him 3 chances to ask for them back. Showed him the cacoon of a butterfly. Said he could help the butterfly out but it would be weak when it came out of its shell. That was 1.

JAck asked Charlie if he was ok. Charlie said he was fine.

Charlie flashback. He was in a confessional saying he had a 3-some and he was going to quit the band. His bro was in the church and talked him into staying with them since they got a record contract. He said Charlie "was" Driveshaft." Charlie said if things are going bad and he wants to quit, that's it. Brother says ok and Charlie decided to stay.

Charlie thinks of his drugs again. Flashback to when Charlie was supposed to sing a chorus and his bro jumped in. Charlie got mad and confronted him. His bro walked away. Charlie then goes into room later and tells all the chicks to leave. His brother says that Charlie it just a bass player and he, brother, is Driveshaft. Charlie looks dejected and gets drugs out.

Jack and Charlie are arguing in a cave, cave caves in and Charlie gets out, JAck is stuck in cave. Charlier goes to get help. He remebers to look for Kate when by Sawyer. He mentions what happens and Sawyer goes to find Sayid and Kate.

Sayid and Kate have gone to higher ground to try to find the signal for the transmission. Once Sayid has walked to higher ground it slips that Jack is in the cave. KAte goes to rescue him.

If anyone else has anymore please add. I have a meeting to go to.

Originally posted by mx6bfast
Probably not in order:

...Showed him the cacoon of a butterfly. Said he could help the butterfly out but it would be weak when it came out of its shell. That was 1.

Moth, hence the title of the episode...

Originally posted by snowcat
So do we have any idea who whacked Sayid at the end? I would assume it was a human, but I doubt it was any of the survivors (at least not the ones we know about).

Sayid appears to be ok from the previews of the next episode, so I doubt he was captured. The source of the signal seemed very strong from where he was located, so maybe he was on the verge of locating the signal and whomever was making it.

This episode seems to support the theory that someone or some group of people are sending out signals to cause planes to crash (or at least land) on the island.

Running with the purgatory theory the batter was Babe Ruth. Now that the Sox have won the World Series and excised the curse he was taking one last swing before leaving purgatory.

thanks mx6bfast for the review. what was the deal with the rockets/firecrackers being launched ? why ? where'd they find them ?

Originally posted by Mike3
Anyone have concerns about the long term direction of the show. It doesn't appear that the storyline can go on for seasons and sesons at this rate. Mystery/suspense shows (i.e. twin peaks) have a limited lifeline and this show is painted into a corner in that you would think you could only have so many mysteries on a "deserted" island.

If they are in purgatory or the island has done this to other people before, etc. they could run with totally new characters every season.

Sayid found the fireworks. I don't think he was real clear about where he found them. The idea was that the 3 parties taking their antennas out, or whatever they were doing, would use them to signal each other that they were in position and coordinate the activating of whatever they were turning on.

Originally posted by hefe
Sayid found the fireworks. I don't think he was real clear about where he found them. The idea was that the 3 parties taking their antennas out, or whatever they were doing, would use them to signal each other that they were in position and coordinate the activating of whatever they were turning on.

He mentioned something along the lines of "thank god for fireworks smugglers"

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by jaypb
He mentioned something along the lines of "thank god for fireworks smugglers"

:rolleyes:
Right, but he didn't say where he found them :rolleyes:

Originally posted by NorthJersey
thanks mx6bfast for the review. what was the deal with the rockets/firecrackers being launched ? why ? where'd they find them ? They were trying to co-ordinate a triangulation for location of the mystery distress signal source. Doesn't every plane have emergency fireworks on board? :D

Originally posted by hefe
The idea was that the 3 parties taking their antennas out, or whatever they were doing, would use them to signal each other that they were in position and coordinate the activating of whatever they were turning on. Did this three antenna thing make any technical sense? (I missed the beginning). I thought powering the transceiver with batteries from laptop computers was a great idea.

Originally posted by scowl
Did this three antenna thing make any technical sense? (I missed the beginning). I thought powering the transceiver with batteries from laptop computers was a great idea.

No. None of it makes sense based on the detail I have seen. I'll have to watch again to try to figure out exactly what they think they're doing...

Originally posted by hefe
No. None of it makes sense based on the detail I have seen. I'll have to watch again to try to figure out exactly what they think they're doing...

I agree. I was wondering what the heck they were trying to do with these antennas, and speculating.

Is each "remote" antenna set up to receive the mystery signal, and then relay it to the handled tranceiver that Sayed has? It seems like if this is the case (and if Sayed is indeed a communications/electronics expert), then he would need a directional antenna on the unit he is holding. And it seems like he would only be able to determine the direction of the signal. If this is the case, why coulnd't he just use the single handheld one, and use it to find this direction without all of the other screwing around?

Seems a little hard to swallow, if you ask me. But I really don't care! They could be listening for ET transmissions for all I care - I would still watch religiously!

Originally posted by scowl
Did this three antenna thing make any technical sense? (I missed the beginning). I thought powering the transceiver with batteries from laptop computers was a great idea.

Agreed .... the technical details of his triangulation approach don't make sense. He would need three receivers, one at each location, each with a directional antenna to be able to locate the source transmitter. While he was looking at his signal strength meter before he got whacked on the head, I'm not sure how that would help him pinpoint the transmitter.

Originally posted by spiff72
I agree. I was wondering what the heck they were trying to do with these antennas, and speculating.

Is each "remote" antenna set up to receive the mystery signal, and then relay it to the handled tranceiver that Sayed has? It seems like if this is the case (and if Sayed is indeed a communications/electronics expert), then he would need a directional antenna on the unit he is holding. And it seems like he would only be able to determine the direction of the signal. If this is the case, why coulnd't he just use the single handheld one, and use it to find this direction without all of the other screwing around?

Seems a little hard to swallow, if you ask me. But I really don't care! They could be listening for ET transmissions for all I care - I would still watch religiously!

Me too, I still watch, I just can't help seeing these types of things. Being an RF guy, I notice the miraculous things they do in movies and TV. Die Hard was one of my favorite movies, but some of the things they did with those radios was not possible.

Originally posted by litzdog911
Agreed .... the technical details of his triangulation approach don't make sense. He would need three receivers, one at each location, each with a directional antenna to be able to locate the source transmitter. While he was looking at his signal strength meter before he got whacked on the head, I'm not sure how that would help him pinpoint the transmitter.
Actually, if he had a directional antenna that good, he'd just need one, and you could find your bearing and walk there.

I think part of the premise is that they don't have battery time to do something like that, but still, the triangulation as they have it set up is ridiculous. You need data from all three points. And I thought they only had the one transceiver they found in the cockpit. What are the other 3 devices? And why do all 3 have to be turned on at the same time? If the transmission can reasonably be expected to be stationary, they could do them at different times, and collect their data. Which brings up the next point. What data is he even looking at? All he has is a transceiver with a display that shows "signal bars." And so on, and so on....

Originally posted by DJRobX
Yes, I had the exact same problems (also using Comcast in LA). Thank you for posting because I had just split the cable off to some additional rooms and thought it had something to do with that.

Ditto here (L.A.), but OTA (KABC-DT). signal strength 90%

Geez, I really wish you guys would just quit watching.... it's a friggin' TV show :).

ron

Here is something i don't understand. In the flashback they show Charlie turning to drugs when his brother leaves the room after the fight. When story continues, we suddenly have a sober, well-dresses family guy with a kid and Charlie is still a junkie??! WTF? I find it hard to believe his brother changed for good, quit the band, started a family etc. while Charlie took a turn for the worse.
maybe i am missing something here....hmm.. nevertheless show kicks ass & is a welcome change from the reality dredged out by most networks these days.

I HD Tivo'ed this last nite and had a weird thing happen. For the first 2 minutes, the audio went out but I heard the background music. Did anyone notice this?

Also, I'm impressed w/ the fervor that this show is creating, at least on this board. Hope the show doesn't get cancelled as it gets more interesting.

It never hurts to ask if TV was trying to teach me something. Doing this with one receiver would have been a cool way to impress my geek friends who don't watch network TV. :D

Usually TV shows throw the technical nonsense things in to advance the plot but I don't see how building three antennas and setting off fireworks was necessary to get Sayed smacked on the head. Maybe that'll be clear next week.

Originally posted by oldskoolboarder
I HD Tivo'ed this last nite and had a weird thing happen. For the first 2 minutes, the audio went out but I heard the background music. Did anyone notice this?

Also, I'm impressed w/ the fervor that this show is creating, at least on this board. Hope the show doesn't get cancelled as it gets more interesting.

Probably your local affiliate screwing something up. I have seen that happen on Medical Investigation, Hawaii, and LAX. Hmmm, all NBC shows. Hasn't happened to Lost in Chicago.

Usually someone in the control room remembers, or is reminded, and they flip some switch and you get the proper audio mix.

Originally posted by Mike3


Anyone have concerns about the long term direction of the show. It doesn't appear that the storyline can go on for seasons and sesons at this rate. Mystery/suspense shows (i.e. twin peaks) have a limited lifeline and this show is painted into a corner in that you would think you could only have so many mysteries on a "deserted" island.

In theory they could continue to build and elaborate on backstory we've already seen seen, but I would think in 20 epsiodes they'll have all of the primary players very well covered.

I think the possibilities are endless for continuing the story. Not only do they have the plane crash characters, but they can included mystery characters on the island. It is also possible that NEW characters could be added via a boat or another plane mishap. As long as they can keep the suspense and creativity and interest up, I can see this series going years. I actually think there are far more plot possibilities than, say, the X-files or some other similar themeatic series.

Originally posted by hefe
Actually, if he had a directional antenna that good, he'd just need one, and you could find your bearing and walk there.


Too bad no one brought a silver sensor on the plane

Originally posted by srinivos
Here is something i don't understand. In the flashback they show Charlie turning to drugs when his brother leaves the room after the fight. When story continues, we suddenly have a sober, well-dresses family guy with a kid and Charlie is still a junkie??! WTF? I find it hard to believe his brother changed for good, quit the band, started a family etc. while Charlie took a turn for the worse.
maybe i am missing something here....hmm.. nevertheless show kicks ass & is a welcome change from the reality dredged out by most networks these days.

From what I can tell, much time has passed (at least 3-4 years by the age of the daughter). If he found the right woman and was motivated enough, he can do what many people have done, and kicked the habit. Having kids changes your entire outlook on life, maybe he realized he wanted to live to see his daughter grow up.

Originally posted by Iteki
From what I can tell, much time has passed (at least 3-4 years by the age of the daughter). If he found the right woman and was motivated enough, he can do what many people have done, and kicked the habit. Having kids changes your entire outlook on life, maybe he realized he wanted to live to see his daughter grow up.

I think you are exactly right. He said something to the effect of "I missed the birth of my daughter..."

Originally posted by srinivos
Here is something i don't understand. In the flashback they show Charlie turning to drugs when his brother leaves the room after the fight. When story continues, we suddenly have a sober, well-dresses family guy with a kid and Charlie is still a junkie??! WTF? I find it hard to believe his brother changed for good, quit the band, started a family etc. while Charlie took a turn for the worse.
maybe i am missing something here....hmm.. nevertheless show kicks ass & is a welcome change from the reality dredged out by most networks these days.

I also think you see charlie who looked up to his brother became what his brother was..

chris

I was also wondering about the whole triangulation thing...... but being that I dont have a grea knowledge of this sort of stuff I didnt say anything for fear of looking stupid. heh. I remember thinking "Now how is that going to help?" as soon as I saw what Sayid was looking at.......... a signal bar....... whoopee.

He'd have better luck turning it on, checking the signal....... walking a ways, turning it on again, and checking to see if the signal got stronger or weaker.

The ONLY way I think this could work (and even then the transceiver would need a directional antenna) was if each of the three antenna's had a relay transmitter........ then it would work much the same way I mentioned above. Point the transceiver at Sawyers antenna, see how strong signal is, and then repeat for the one on the beach and his own (although it renders his own useless). That might be able to give you some bearing on where it was originating.

Originally posted by mx6bfast
Too bad no one brought a silver sensor on the plane Yes, you'd think Mr. Iraqi Radio Guy would know how to make a directional Yagi out of the scrap aluminum on the beach.

Not knowing much about it, I thought the signal triangulation plan was plausible enough. I thought he was trying to do something like this:

http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/gDefinition/0,294236,sid7_gci753924,00.html

An the only TV-ism was that he was able to get the results from only one of the points. Certainly felt more belivable then many of the TV versions of computer screens as an example...

Sayid would do better to fashion a direction-finding antenna with scrap wire from the plane. A D/F loop antenna would give you a very accurate directional fix.

To triangulate the location of the transmitter you'd simply walk to three different locations and get a direction bearing at each. The transmitter is located where the three bearings intersect. (Or, more accurately, within the small triangle formed by the bearing lines, which often don't exactly meet, due to mathematical error).

The downside of this method? You need a compass to get the bearings, and a map to plot out the bearings...triangulation is tough to do when you have neither.

So, what was he actually trying to do with one receiver and three antennae? I have no idea...

--Dan

Originally posted by jamesmil
Not knowing much about it, I thought the signal triangulation plan was plausible enough. I thought he was trying to do something like this:

http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/gDefinition/0,294236,sid7_gci753924,00.html

An the only TV-ism was that he was able to get the results from only one of the points. Certainly felt more belivable then many of the TV versions of computer screens as an example...

That plan isn't plausible because they don't have anyway to get the time delays. You would need to have resolvable data from the target source that you can time at the triangulation points.

Originally posted by oldskoolboarder
I HD Tivo'ed this last nite and had a weird thing happen. For the first 2 minutes, the audio went out but I heard the background music. Did anyone notice this?


Yep, I posted earlier in this thread about that. You in the SF Bay Area? It looks like only KGO had this problem.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4605170#post4605170

It sounded like KGO was broadcasting only the left and right channels of the 5.1 Dolby Digital stream as standard stereo -- but 5.1 puts all the speech in the center channel, so we heard the background music and sound effects and none of the speech.

You actually don't need a directional antenna. A dipole would be just fine. If you took one reciever with a dipole and recorded the signal strength in three different positions along the edge of the island, you could determine the position with reasonable accuracy merely from signal strenght at each point.





Originally posted by danco
Sayid would do better to fashion a direction-finding antenna with scrap wire from the plane. A D/F loop antenna would give you a very accurate directional fix.

To triangulate the location of the transmitter you'd simply walk to three different locations and get a direction bearing at each. The transmitter is located where the three bearings intersect. (Or, more accurately, within the small triangle formed by the bearing lines, which often don't exactly meet, due to mathematical error).

The downside of this method? You need a compass to get the bearings, and a map to plot out the bearings...triangulation is tough to do when you have neither.

So, what was he actually trying to do with one receiver and three antennae? I have no idea...

--Dan

HELLO!! It's a TV show. It's not reality. Don't expect everything they do to make sense. This is true of all TV shows.

Originally posted by aaronwt
HELLO!! It's a TV show. It's not reality. Don't expect everything they do to make sense. This is true of all TV shows.

HELLO!! It's a discussion forum. If you want to talk about things in the show come here, if not, don't, just watch the show.

Unfortunately, he can't triangulate with the signal strength because of the unknowns. You would have to know the source signal's ERP and height to use the signal strength you receive to relate to anything. Plus, they aren't reading a signal strength, all he has is "bars" on the display of his transceiver. Nowhere near accurate enough. Only indicates a very crude range. Third, he is not collecting any sort of data from the other antennas, only at his transceiver. Those other antennas serve no purpose without a receiver attached, which he never said he had or had made, and even if he did, no one is collecting any data there.

It isn't blasphemous to discuss how fictional TV shows (or movies) break from reality or speculate on how they could have been written to be more realistic.

You actually don't need a directional antenna. A dipole would be just fine. If you took one reciever with a dipole and recorded the signal strength in three different positions along the edge of the island, you could determine the position with reasonable accuracy merely from signal strenght at each point.
True...but you still need to know where you are relative to all three points that you take readings, and a map so you can plot circles (scaled to signal strength) and find their intersection...

--Dan

HELLO!! It's a discussion forum. If you want to talk about things in the show come here, if not, don't, just watch the show.
HELLO!! It's one thing to discuss the show, and it's another to go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on, about what is not plausible just to show everybody how much engineering expertise one has :rolleyes:. All right! We get it! Some of the stuff in LOST is not based in reality. It's a TV show. Enough already!! How some of you people can even enjoy the show with all your nitpicking is beyond me :D.

ron

And yet, on Abrams' other show, "Alias," Marshall's creations go unchallenged. Why? We're distracted by Jennifer Garner. The fact that we're dwelling on this simply tells me that there aren't nearly enough Evangeline Lily bee scenes. :D

Originally posted by R11
HELLO!! It's one thing to discuss the show, and it's another to go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on, about what is not plausible just to show everybody how much engineering expertise one has :rolleyes:. All right! We get it! Some of the stuff in LOST is not based in reality. It's a TV show. Enough already!! How some of you people can even enjoy the show with all your nitpicking is beyond me :D.

ron

And sometimes, as is natural in discussions, one topic leads to another. You exchange ideas. You become curious about how things actually work. The human being is a naturally curious animal. There's nothing wrong with being intellectually stimulated and asking questions and discussing ideas. Even if that discussion was started from <gasp> a TV show.:eek:

The fact is I can enjoy the show immensely and still notice innaccuracies. I can't help seeing them any more than a doctor can watch ER and not see them. It happens to be my favorite show on TV right now, whether it's technically sound or not. I am actually more intrigued by the mystery and the character development, and that's what keeps me watching. Of course, the nitpickers are out in full force regarding plot points and character development, so you might want to grab your ruler and go rap their knuckles too...

The fact is, the way this show is presented, it lends itself to detailed discussion, which plenty of people have gone on and on and on and on about on various topics. That's how this thread got up over 1500 posts. Sorry if this one doesn't interest you.

But the other three "antennas" must have been more than antennas right? After all, they had to power them on at the same time and their batteries wouldn't last too long...so what exactly were they doing when they were powered on?

Originally posted by fhall1
Sayid had the one transciever, but the other three things, the "antennas" must have been more than just antennas right? After all, they had to power them on at the same time and their batteries wouldn't last too long...so what exactly were they doing when they were powered on?

Sorry...meant to edit my previous post...and hit "quote" instead...

Originally posted by hefe


Unfortunately, he can't triangulate with the signal strength because of the unknowns. ... Those other antennas serve no purpose without a receiver attached, which he never said he had or had made, and even if he did, no one is collecting any data there.

Maybe what he was doing was checking the direction of each signal. The other two antenna's put out a signal that he knows the relative location of and the then make a guess at strength since they are presumably about the same. The third signal he picks up would be the unknown. When he found it he would not the relative direction. Kind of quirky but I see what he was getting at.

IHO all the people on the island are dead. This is a show about ghosts. Sied (sp?) even said it, the tail section ripped off the plane, they should all be dead. I think they are and the show is a story of how their souls are seeking their peace before the let go of the living world.

Originally posted by Carl Holt
Maybe what he was doing was checking the direction of each signal. The other two antenna's put out a signal that he knows the relative location of and the then make a guess at strength since they are presumably about the same. The third signal he picks up would be the unknown. When he found it he would not the relative direction. Kind of quirky but I see what he was getting at.

IHO all the people on the island are dead. This is a show about ghosts. Sied (sp?) even said it, the tail section ripped off the plane, they should all be dead. I think they are and the show is a story of how their souls are seeking their peace before the let go of the living world.

The thing is, Sayid used the word "triangulate." He explained to Kate that the 3 antennas would be placed in a triangle, and that if the signal is coming from inside that triangle, then he could find it.

I understand that for the purpose of the story, that is what he is trying to do. He just can't do it with what he's got and how he's going about it. Just a brief bit of bad writing.

So then he got knocked out, so it didn't work anyway. I wonder if they'll return to that story element. Maybe the batteries are finally dead and he won't bother anymore.

Interferometry - the other antennae are reflectors. But as hefe stated, he just can't do it with what he's got!
Still my favorite show!

Originally posted by Carl Holt
...they should all be dead. I think they are and the show is a story of how their souls are seeking their peace before the let go of the living world.

So let's assume this is correct. Perhaps they're all waiting for something before they finally let go. Maybe Kate & Jack are waiting for the love of their lives (each other?), Charlie is hoping to kick the habit (better pay up that final life insurance instalment Chucky), the Korean gal is waiting to be finally freed of her marital bonds, and Hurley wishes he was about 200lbs lighter. At which point they would all take that final kick at the bucket called life.

Only one problem with this theory: how would you explain those who have died so far.

While I could see that scuba-diving girl who drowned wished to die in the water, what about the poor fella who got sucked up in that engine, the marshall, and the skewered pilot?

Maybe the batteries are finally dead and he won't bother anymore.We can only hope! ;). Hey, I'm not trying to "scold" anybody, just making a suggestion. It's like when you go to a movie and the person sitting next to you keeps saying, "Oh, that's impossible". It kind of takes some of the fun out of it for everybody around them you know? Anyway, never mind me, back to our detailed discussion of radio transmission theory...:cool:

ron

Originally posted by R11
We can only hope! ;). Hey, I'm not trying to "scold" anybody, just making a suggestion. It's like when you go to a movie and the person sitting next to you keeps saying, "Oh, that's impossible". It kind of takes some of the fun out of it for everybody around them you know? Anyway, never mind me, back to our detailed discussion of radio transmission theory...:cool:

ron
And I hate that too, in the theater.
Anyway, I'm done on the point except in response to other theories...:)

Originally posted by che_fox
Yep, I posted earlier in this thread about that. You in the SF Bay Area? It looks like only KGO had this problem.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4605170#post4605170

It sounded like KGO was broadcasting only the left and right channels of the 5.1 Dolby Digital stream as standard stereo -- but 5.1 puts all the speech in the center channel, so we heard the background music and sound effects and none of the speech.

Yeah, I'm in Menlo Park. At least I know I wasn't alone...

I agree w/ the comment about this being a TV show and people debating the reality of some of the storylines. You'd think this was a Star Trek or Renaissance Fair show... :p

Originally posted by Dynot
Only one problem with this theory: how would you explain those who have died so far.


They have "found their peace" and have moved on.

One other thing I realized is that we have never seen or heard this mysterious "monster" since Locke came face to face with it. Maybe Locke's dead body will be found pretty soon.

Originally posted by DrDon
And yet, on Abrams' other show, "Alias," Marshall's creations go unchallenged. Why? We're distracted by Jennifer Garner. The fact that we're dwelling on this simply tells me that there aren't nearly enough Evangeline Lily bee scenes. :D

oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't paying attention to your post, I was too busy looking at a clip of Evangeline Lilly in her undies from a past show

I like reading all the comments about the show, even the "implausable" comments. While the triangulation discussion is pretty boring to me, others find it interesting. So keep ALL the comments coming, I really enjoy reading anything about the show.

Originally posted by DrDon
And yet, on Abrams' other show, "Alias," Marshall's creations go unchallenged. Why? We're distracted by Jennifer Garner. The fact that we're dwelling on this simply tells me that there aren't nearly enough Evangeline Lily bee scenes. :D

Yep!! :p

And I thought I got a lot of flack for noticing the USPS truck running around Australia..:D

Thing is though, Abrams has stated that every prop used is a clue to what's going on in the show. So on that premise, I can understand why people would be curious about this signal triangulation thing. I think Sayid is really setting up antennas so he can watch the Super Bowl come January. :D :D

I don't think it essential to enjoyment of the show but I guess the idea of 3 antennas or receivers would make sense if for some reason they could accurately measure signal strength but not direction.

So let's assume it is so. ;)

- Tom

Slightly OT, but I hear Abrams wants "Alias" to run in the timeslot after "Lost." Can't imagine ABC turning him down. Not with Sunday nights working as well as they are..

Originally posted by DrDon
Slightly OT, but I hear Abrams wants "Alias" to run in the timeslot after "Lost." Can't imagine ABC turning him down. Not with Sunday nights working as well as they are..

That would probably put the last nail in the coffin for "The West Wing" :D

Slightly OT, but I hear Abrams wants "Alias" to run in the timeslot after "Lost." Can't imagine ABC turning him down. Not with Sunday nights working as well as they are..
I must admit that I've never watched Alias; in fact, there's not much on network TV that I find interesting. But, I've been caught up in Lost (as well as Desperate Housewives and Boston Legal), and I'd probably stick around and watch Alias after Lost, instead of switching over to MSNBC to watch Countdown with Keith Olberman...

--Dan

Originally posted by danco
I must admit that I've never watched Alias; in fact, there's not much on network TV that I find interesting. But, I've been caught up in Lost (as well as Desperate Housewives and Boston Legal), and I'd probably stick around and watch Alias after Lost, instead of switching over to MSNBC to watch Countdown with Keith Olberman...

--Dan This comment is a little off topic but goes along with the above quote. Of ABC, NBC and CBS it seems that ABC is the only one that is willing to take a chance with new programming. NBC and CBS seem
to only add reality shows or additions to the CSI/Law & Order franchises (or clones thereof). Of course, I guess now we'll see clones of "Lost" and other ABC programs on the other networks. I've just been impressed by "Lost" and some of the other ABC shows.

Am I the only one here who didn't realize that Dominic Monaghan (Charlie) was 'Merry' in 'Lord of the Rings'? Just found out from the TV Guide article!

Originally posted by maxman
Am I the only one here who didn't realize that Dominic Monaghan (Charlie) was 'Merry' in 'Lord of the Rings'? Just found out from the TV Guide article!

LOL

I think that was pointed out in this thread NUMEROUS times. You must have just missed it if you have been reading before. :D

Originally posted by maxman
Am I the only one here who didn't realize that Dominic Monaghan (Charlie) was 'Merry' in 'Lord of the Rings'? Just found out from the TV Guide article!

He was also in the BBC series "HattieWainwright Investigates."

Originally posted by spiff72
LOL

I think that was pointed out in this thread NUMEROUS times. You must have just missed it if you have been reading before. :D

I've read every post since the beginning but don't remember seeing it or making the connection.

Originally posted by maxman
I've read every post since the beginning but don't remember seeing it or making the connection.

He's been referred to as a hobbit three times...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=1924217&sortby=&sortorder=

It's been subtle... but it's been there. :D

Originally posted by maxman
Am I the only one here who didn't realize that Dominic Monaghan (Charlie) was 'Merry' in 'Lord of the Rings'? Yes.

When the Iraqi said, we won't suppose to be alive. I thought for a minute...In the end, the whole event was a flashback... they were all death already....

Originally posted by oldskoolboarder
You'd think this was a Star Trek or Renaissance Fair show... :p Out of context, but I was just thinking the other day how the cave sets look like a cheap Star Trek planet (well, ok, maybe an expensive Star Trek planet). I hope they don't do too many episodes based in the caves -- IMO, it really cheapens the HD experience, and makes the show feel less cinematic. :(

As for the possibility of Alias following LOST, that would be fantastic! I really wish ABC would use this time (between now and January's Alias season opener) to re-run the Alias pilot as well as a few key season 1 and 2 episodes -- this is their chance to recruit new viewers to the world of Sydney Bristow. Anyone impressed with LOST, really should netflix season one of Alias!

As for the possibility of Alias following LOST, that would be fantastic! I really wish ABC would use this time (between now and January's Alias season opener) to re-run the Alias pilot as well as a few key season 1 and 2 episodes -- this is their chance to recruit new viewers to the world of Sydney Bristow. Anyone impressed with LOST, really should netflix season one of Alias!

Yes, and think of the crossover possibilities: Sydney lands on the island in search of her other long lost sister: Kate. The "monster" is discovered to be one of Marshall's inventions gone awry. They then somehow use the Rimbaldi device to transport themselves off the island, but it backfires and they find themselves 16 years in the past.

maxman said:
Am I the only one here who didn't realize that Dominic Monaghan (Charlie) was 'Merry' in 'Lord of the Rings'?No. :o The hobbit references didn't click with me, either. ;)

I'm getting frustrated with this show now, the cave scenes are horrible, it's like a cardboard box with some props, and like daytime soap sets.

I'm also getting bored with the back stories, I mean come on let's get some real info here, I can't see the ratings lasting for more than a season.

The problem is like isaid about 1000 posts back, there is only so much you can do with people stranded on an island before it gets boring thats why so many flashbacks and thats why the series won't last

Originally posted by shades
The problem is like isaid about 1000 posts back, there is only so much you can do with people stranded on an island before it gets boring thats why so many flashbacks and thats why the series won't last

I don't agree. The flashbacks were designed into the story right from the start. They're not resorting to them because there's not that much to do on the island...this the was the story was intended to be told.

The series has already been picked up for the whole season. I think it would be hard to carry it into multiple seasons, though. I'd like to see a resolution at the end of the season, like with 24. Or just make it a one season show, like a long mini-series event. I don't know how it would hold up after that.

Originally posted by hefe
I don't agree. The flashbacks were designed into the story right from the start. They're not resorting to them because there's not that much to do on the island...this the was the story was intended to be told.

The series has already been picked up for the whole season. I think it would be hard to carry it into multiple seasons, though. I'd like to see a resolution at the end of the season, like with 24. Or just make it a one season show, like a long mini-series event. I don't know how it would hold up after that.


with the way ABC's programming has been the last few years they were probably not expecting the series to last more than a year ;)

The series has already been picked up for the whole season. I think it would be hard to carry it into multiple seasons, though. I'd like to see a resolution at the end of the season, like with 24. Or just make it a one season show, like a long mini-series event. I don't know how it would hold up after that.

There is only 1 problem with ending Lost after 1 season: it is a hit for ABC. That translates into advertising revenue. It is hard for a network to give that up easily.

I agree that if the entire premise was just people on an island with endless backstories, that could get old quickly. Having watched Alias for several seasons, I know that Abrams can suddenly overturn everything you thought you knew about a premise ("OMG, they just destroyed SD6").

....by the way, where the heck did the "monster" go?

Anybody know what the ratings are for LOST? Is it doing well?

If it IS doing well. . . There's no way it will NOT be carried over for next season. In fact, what we'll see is several other networks copying the LOST mold and doing ripoff series.

I enjoy the flashbacks. It allows me to get to know the characters. I agree, however, that each episode only takes a small step forward, which is frustrating. The hour goes by very quickly.

I believe that the last episode of the year may be a two hour episode with a shocking cliff hanger at the end to carry us over until the next season opener and resolution. I think there are enough plot possibilities to move this series for several seasons.

Originally posted by ricwhite
Anybody know what the ratings are for LOST? Is it doing well?



There is a great thread here with all that info, and yes, it's doing well,

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=440744&pagenumber=1
Hot Off The Press! The Latest Television News and Info - AVS Forum

Originally posted by petergaryr
Yes, and think of the crossover possibilities: Sydney lands on the island in search of her other long lost sister: Kate. The "monster" is discovered to be one of Marshall's inventions gone awry. They then somehow use the Rimbaldi device to transport themselves off the island, but it backfires and they find themselves 16 years in the past. And then we'd see that the real reason Locke knows so much is because he's actually DSR Director Kendall! :D

Too bad Agent Weiss had to die while undercover as the pilot... oh wait, that must have been his doppelganger... :p

Originally posted by hefe


The series has already been picked up for the whole season. I think it would be hard to carry it into multiple seasons, though. I'd like to see a resolution at the end of the season, like with 24. Or just make it a one season show, like a long mini-series event. I don't know how it would hold up after that.

You won't see "resolution" until the ratings start to tank...then hopefully ABC will at least have enough sense to end the series wth some resolution, unlike Twin Peaks or Last Comic Standing where the ratings disappear and abruptly so does the series before you get "closure".

Originally posted by ricwhite
Anybody know what the ratings are for LOST? Is it doing well? Real well.

Lost, along with Desperate Housewives, are making ABC's entire season.

I figured it all out, and the clues to the story are all here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=124118

Realize that if you read the thread in it's entirety, the answers reveal themselves in reverse order until finally you reach the plane crash.

We need a poll about the "bee" scene, I think, but I don't want to start another thread. So everybody play that scene 10 times or so and chime in with your best guess.

I think I saw two B's in the bee scene.

Gary

Wow... good discussions.. :)

I watched the re-run of this weeks episode on Saturday...

All I can really say is this: Reading the descrptions of the upcoming episodes definitely had some 'spoiler' effects on this weeks episode... made it more predictable to me... my fault.. :)

I knew Charlie and Jack would find a backdoor out of the cave, just seemed to make more sense that they would, rather than get dug out by the others. Plus a cave would generally be formed by natural errosion from a spring, or something similar... plus it added a nice touch with the whole 'Moth' connection...

Sayid's radio/triangulation idea was interesting... And given the discussion here about this, you could also speculate that even though Sayid claims to know alot about this stuff, maybe even though his theory had some holes in it, it was at least something he knew he could try, and see what info he would get from it. A rough idea is all he would need... and if it didn't work, oh well.

I read the spoiler on who might be the one who knocked Sayid out at the end... This could be true, but I bet this will remain a mystery at least for another couple episodes... Sayid will probably wake up in the middle of the jungle, and not know what happened. In fact, he will probably blame 'Angry white dude', because he didn't know that Kate left 'angry white dude' alone to handle the antenna... and doesn't the preview of the next episode show Sayid and 'angry white dude' fighting?

(yes, I'm bad with names.. :) )

And speaking of characters that have been missing from the last couple episodes... Pregnant chick, black lady... but understandable that given all the other people there, that you can't have everyone in every episode... In fact you see more of the 'other' people now in the background... Like when Charlie went to the beach for help (to dig out Jack from the cave) you see some 'others' coming to help...

Evangeline Lilly is scheduled to be on Letterman this Friday, Nov 12. :D

Originally posted by StStSt
Evangeline Lilly is scheduled to be on Letterman this Friday, Nov 12. :D
Alas, but Letterman is not in HD yet (but that's a whole 'nother thread!!). :(

Originally posted by petergaryr
Yes, and think of the crossover possibilities: Sydney lands on the island in search of her other long lost sister: Kate.

Nooo not sister. That would preclude any hot lesbian stuff.

Originally posted by barth2k
Nooo not sister. That would preclude any hot lesbian stuff.

Not necessarily :eek:

sicko :D

Originally posted by barth2k
Nooo not sister. That would preclude any hot lesbian stuff.

Well, I don't know how much 'hot lesbian action' you're going to get on primetime network tv...

Now, when they release the rated 'R' theatrical season finale of 'Lost' (like they did with X-Files) I think they'll have more freedom to explore these story lines... :)

Originally posted by Gary McCoy

We need a poll about the "bee" scene, I think, but I don't want to start another thread. So everybody play that scene 10 times or so and chime in with your best guess.

I think I saw two B's in the bee scene.

Gary

My humble opinion:

With shirt on: "cees"
With shirt off: "bees"
:(

They seem to shirink without her shirt off - but she is still HOT.

After only a brief but fun filled 80 pages this thread seems to be going downhill recently.

I look forward to the next episode to restart things.

- Tom

Originally posted by trbarry
After only a brief but fun filled 80 pages this thread seems to be going downhill recently.

I look forward to the next episode to restart things.

- Tom 80 pages? I have my preferences set to show more posts per page. It makes the thread a less menacing 54 pages. Of course I guess that's like slicing a pizza in 6 pieces instead of 8 because everyone knows you can't eat 8 pieces by yourself. :D

Originally posted by Karnis
"One thing that caught my attention tonight was when Sayid told Kate that basically there was no way they should have survived that crash, much less with hardly a scratch on most of the survivors."

Perhaps they didn't.
That would explain a lot...
:cool: :eek: Just remember, you heard it here first: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4455193#post4455193

;)

80 pages? I have my preferences set to show more posts per page.

Thanks for the observation. I had been reset back to the forum default somehow and not really noticed. Now this thread has only 27 pages to me.

- Tom

Originally posted by NetworkTV
Just remember, you heard it here first: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4455193#post4455193

i beat you.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4431807#post4431807

Originally posted by trbarry
After only a brief but fun filled 80 pages this thread seems to be going downhill recently.

I look forward to the next episode to restart things.

- Tom

Sorry, Tom. Beautifull women and breasts are a longstanding hobby of mine, even longer than movies, computers, or Science Fiction.

Gary

Well, I thought it was a stupid use of fireworks. Wouldn't they be more useful as signal flares if a boat or plane goes by?

Or they could at least put on a nice show for themselves... to satisfy the 'pyro' in them all...

OK. So who whacked Sayid on the back of the head at the end of last week's episode?

Originally posted by optivity
OK. So who whacked Sayid on the back of the head at the end of last week's episode?

or what whacked him???

Originally posted by optivity
OK. So who whacked Sayid on the back of the head at the end of last week's episode?

Based on some speculation and reading descriptions of upcoming episodes....

Most likely the French women from the recording.... still alive.... One of the upcoming episodes (I think next weeks) says that Sayid finds the source of the transmission and also lands himself into a heap of trouble. We'll see soon enough...

Read the episode descriptions for yourself here:
(Definite spoilers on this page!)

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/EpisodeGuideSummary/showid-24313/

Originally posted by kpoon
i beat you.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4431807#post4431807 LOL - yep, I missed that post somehow. I'm surprised no one picked up on it when you originally posted, though.

For all you "Lost" fans....a gift from Wednesday's New York Times:

How 'Lost' Careered Into Being a Hit Show


By JOE RHODES, The New York Times November 10, 2004
LOS ANGELES, Nov. 9 - The speed with which ABC's Wednesday night breakout hit drama "Lost" went from a network executive's half-baked suggestion to one of the most elaborate and expensive pilots ever filmed was brain blurring.
Determined to see his idea into the fall lineup, Lloyd Braun, then head of ABC Entertainment, brought together J. J. Abrams, the producer of the funhouse-mirror spy drama "Alias,'' and Damon Lindelof, a writer for "Crossing Jordan,'' to kick around his idea about plane crash survivors stranded on an island, a notion that he freely admitted was inspired by the reality show "Survivor.'' The result has been a show among the top 10 this season.
"I met Damon for the first time on a Monday," Mr. Abrams remembered. "By that Friday we had written a 20-page outline. And they green-lit the pilot on Saturday. At that point, we didn't even have a script, but in less than 12 weeks we had to start shooting."
That wasn't the hard part. And transporting the wreckage of an L-1011 jetliner to the show's location on Oahu may have been daunting, but doable. But of all the logistical nightmares that deadline represented none were more daunting than finding actors for the unusually large and internationally diverse ensemble cast - as the parts were still being written.
"It was insanity," said the casting director, April Webster, who had worked with Mr. Abrams on "Alias." "The characters kept changing. Every few days they'd call up and say, 'It looks like there's another one.' "
Because there were so many parts to cast - 14 major characters and dozens of background actors whose primary job is to walk around dazed on the beach until their story line comes to the fore - and only a three-week window to cast them, Ms. Webster put out the equivalent of an all-points bulletin. Calls were made to agencies in London, Sydney, New York, Toronto and points between.
"We were looking at tapes from all over,'' she said, and complicating the matter was the need to put together a cast at a time when most network pilots were already shooting. And whoever signed on for "Lost'' had to commit to working and living on Oahu for the duration of the series.
Working off their original 20-page outline, Mr. Abrams and Mr. Lindelof had ideas about the show's vibe - "Gilligan" meets "X Files," strangers on a plane, mysterious island - and who the characters would be: the hero with a secret, the plucky-but-haunted heroine, the stuck-up girl, the affable dude, the menacing rogue. But everything else was still up in the air, even as actors were auditioning.
"We were writing audition scenes because we hadn't had time to finish the actual script," Mr. Abrams said.
But as actors came in to audition, something fascinating happened, he recalled. "They would inspire us to take characters in a direction that we wouldn't have come up with on our own," he said.
The result was a radical reimagining of some of the original characters. Charlie, the burned-out English rocker played by Dominic Monaghan, was originally envisioned as a middle-aged businessman with a drug problem. Sawyer, the troublesome American played by Josh Holloway, was going to be a New Zealander. And Jack, the heroic (so far) spinal surgeon played by Matthew Fox, was going to be much older. And since he was also meant to die in the first episode, a one-shot appearance, high-priced movie stars like Michael Keaton and Aaron Eckhardt were being considered for the part.
Some well-known actors not usually associated with prime-time television, Ms. Webster said, were attracted by Mr. Abrams's reputation and intrigued by the nontraditional premise, which is how they managed to get Mr. Monaghan, a hot property after playing Merry Brandybuck in the "Lord of the Rings" films; Naveen Andrews, best known for his performance as Lt. Kip Singh in "The English Patient"; and Harold Perrineau, coming off his appearance as Link in "The Matrix" trilogy and critical raves for his stage performance in "Top Dog/Underdog."
The cast also includes Terry O'Quinn, a frequent "Alias" guest star, as the philosopher-hunter Locke, and Jorge Garcia, whom Mr. Abrams and Ms. Webster happened to see on an episode of "Curb Your Enthusiasm" the night before his audition, as the imperturbably mellow Hurley. For the executives of the show, the most intriguing breakout star may turn out to be Yunjin Kim, who grew up on Staten Island and attended the High School of Performing Arts in Manhattan but then returned to her South Korean homeland to become a major Asian cinema star.
Ms. Kim originally auditioned for the part of Kate, the female lead, but Mr. Abrams decided immediately he wanted to write another part just for her. "We had thought about having a couple that didn't speak English before she came in," Mr. Abrams said, "but when she came in, we knew we had to have her on the show. And we started coming up with a story for this woman and then her husband."
"I walked in and, obviously, I speak Korean, and the next day they said they were going to write a role for me," said Ms. Kim, who plays Sun, a seemingly timid woman who planned to leave her husband on the day they boarded the ill-fated plane. "I was, like, 'Hey, I don't even need to read a script.' The fact that they would be so open and excited about me, that was a huge compliment."
The most difficult role to cast, in fact, turned out to be Kate. "We had master lists on the Kate character that were 12 to 13 pages long," Ms. Webster said, "which translates to more than 200 actresses who we least checked on their availability."
"We had seen some incredible actresses," said Bryan Burk, who shares the executive producer credit with Mr. Abrams and Mr. Lindelof. "'But J. J. kept saying, 'You're gonna know when she comes in, you're gonna know.' Which I thought was just his craziness. But then she came in. And we knew."
"She" was Evangeline Lilly, a virtually unknown Canadian actress who got the part, on a last-minute audition tape, almost out of nowhere.
Mr. Abrams seemed particularly pleased that the cast is not all perfect cheekbones and "Baywatch" bodies, although there are certainly plenty of those. "The show is about an international flight that crashes somewhere in the Pacific," he said, "so the cast is going to look more like the world looks and less like 'Beverly Hills 90210.' "
Not that they're done with the casting, even now. There are flashback episodes that have to be populated, and most of the 46 characters who survived the crash haven't been seen. The longer "Lost" stays on the air - and with an average of 18 million viewers per episode so far, it will undoubtedly be around for a while - the more likely it is that new faces will appear.
In other words, Mr. Abrams said, there's plenty of room to develop more characters without a need for outrageous plot turns. There's no need, for instance, to have another plane crash.
"No," he said, laughing. "Although I wouldn't rule that out."

Just speculation, but if the whole time continuum theory is true, what are the chances that one of the "castaways" is Claire's baby, years later? Would perhaps explain why Hurley, who we have not yet seen on the plane in flashbacks, has latched on to Claire....

I thought Michael (Harold Perrineau) looked familiar! Link in the Matrix! BTW - did anyone think Charlie's band was an Oasis ripoff? ;-) Even his brother's name was Liam!

As the OP of this thread, I've added some LOST links to the first post for ease of finding them. If anyone has additional sites they're aware of, please post them or PM me and I'll add them to the list.

Originally posted by djnrook
Just speculation, but if the whole time continuum theory is true, what are the chances that one of the "castaways" is Claire's baby, years later? Would perhaps explain why Hurley, who we have not yet seen on the plane in flashbacks, has latched on to Claire....

Of all the people that look like they may have been living on the island for 20 years, Hurley would probably be my last guess - unless the monster on the island is actually a huge taco that craps scoops of ice cream. :)

Originally posted by fredfa
For all you "Lost" fans....a gift from Wednesday's New York Times:

How 'Lost' Careered Into Being a Hit Show


By JOE RHODES, The New York Times November 10, 2004
LOS ANGELES, Nov. 9 - The speed with which ABC's Wednesday night breakout hit drama "Lost" went from a network executive's half-baked suggestion to one of the most elaborate and expensive pilots ever filmed was brain blurring.
Determined to see his idea into the fall lineup, Lloyd Braun, then head of ABC Entertainment...

IMO... This show has been very entertaining so far and I hope the character development and wide story arc continues...

BTW... Wasn't Lloyd Braun originally Geroge Costanza's nemesis on Seinfeld?

Originally posted by nuzzy
I thought Michael (Harold Perrineau) looked familiar! Link in the Matrix! BTW - did anyone think Charlie's band was an Oasis ripoff? ;-) Even his brother's name was Liam!

Yeah, I caught that. Brother vs brother...

Originally posted by fredfa
There are flashback episodes that have to be populated, and most of the 46 characters who survived the crash haven't been seen. The longer "Lost" stays on the air - and with an average of 18 million viewers per episode so far, it will undoubtedly be around for a while - the more likely it is that new faces will appear.
In other words, Mr. Abrams said, there's plenty of room to develop more characters without a need for outrageous plot turns. There's no need, for instance, to have another plane crash.
"No," he said, laughing. "Although I wouldn't rule that out."

Interesting... with 46 survivors, roughly 15 are in the fore-front for season 1.... That gives 3 seasons of a completely re-freshed cast if they wanted... :)

Originally posted by nuzzy
I thought Michael (Harold Perrineau) looked familiar! Link in the Matrix! BTW - did anyone think Charlie's band was an Oasis ripoff? ;-) Even his brother's name was Liam!

I thought the same things! Oh yeah, that IS Link. And two British brothers in a band, one named Liam...that's Oasis all the way...though both of them should have been drunk/high lecherous buffoons to make the homage complete. ;)

Change of gears:
The plots of individual characters confronting their "demons" seems to support the purgatory-esque theory.

Here's a suggestion from my wife: Walt (Michael's son) is somehow controlling things...after all, the polar bear was from his comic book...could be an interesting twist.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Interesting... with 46 survivors, roughly 15 are in the fore-front for season 1.... That gives 3 seasons of a completely re-freshed cast if they wanted... :)

They could even double back and show the same timeline from the point of view of other characters. That would keep things from being too Gilligan-esque with them stranded on the island from some ridiculous amount of time...assuming the show continues for 3 seasons or so.

Originally posted by htevolution
Here's a suggestion from my wife: Walt (Michael's son) is somehow controlling things...after all, the polar bear was from his comic book...could be an interesting twist. This idea was floated a while back here. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4463586&highlight=walt#post4463586)

Originally posted by tall1
This idea was floated a while back here. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4463586&highlight=walt#post4463586)

My bad. I remembered the talk about the polar bear, but not that possibility specifically. I guess after 81 pages I'm having trouble keeping up with all the details. :)

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Interesting... with 46 survivors, roughly 15 are in the fore-front for season 1.... That gives 3 seasons of a completely re-freshed cast if they wanted... :)

Hold on there JayDog....

They have to keep Kate (Evangeline Lilly) front & center...

Originally posted by optivity
Hold on there JayDog....

They have to keep Kate (Evangeline Lilly) front & center...


...and rear..:p

htevolution: I'm surprised I remembered something posted 50 pages ago! I am constantly amazed by folks like your wife who can come up with these clever twists. I guess that is why this thread is so much fun to read.

Originally posted by keenan
...and rear..:p

Agreed...

But come to think of it, I am not sure there has been much of that rear view at all...

Not that I am complaining, but I would love to see the view from "down under" - oh wait they aren't in Australia anymore. :D

Originally posted by htevolution
Here's a suggestion from my wife: Walt (Michael's son) is somehow controlling things...after all, the polar bear was from his comic book...could be an interesting twist.

They better hope he doesn't get a hold of Sawyer's copy of Watership Down, otherwise the island will be overrun with killer rabbits!:p

Originally posted by nuzzy
I thought Michael (Harold Perrineau) looked familiar! Link in the Matrix! BTW - did anyone think Charlie's band was an Oasis ripoff? ;-) Even his brother's name was Liam!

Harold Perrineau was also in Oz. I remember seeing him in the Marix and thinking--its the dude from Oz. Then in Lost--its the dude from the Marix.

Originally posted by hefe
They better hope he doesn't get a hold of Sawyer's copy of Watership Down, otherwise the island will be overrun with killer rabbits!:p


... with big... FANGS!!!



:D

... with big... FANGS!!!
Run Away! Run Away!

Originally posted by danco
Run Away! Run Away!

:D

He's got huge....he can leap about...look at the bones!!!

Xesdeeni

"That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on! "

http://www.toymania.com/columns/spotlight/hgrabbitpics.shtml

...so the monster is really a Trojan Rabbit?

Originally posted by PhredC

This show is really making me want to buy a DVHS. [/B]

Keep in mind you will need a settop box that has a FIREWIRE port. Or No HD recording.

Originally posted by petergaryr
...so the monster is really a Trojan Rabbit?

They make Trojan Rabbit's? How do those feel and what sizes do they come in? Man, that is totally different and it might add to the "sensation".

Originally posted by AFH
They make Trojan Rabbit's? How do those feel and what sizes do they come in? Man, that is totally different and it might add to the "sensation".

As with most of Monty Python, it was a hare brained idea...

I think it's wrong of you all to go off topic like this...

...But I think we can allow it to continue on one condition....

You must bring me.... A SHRUBBERY!

:D

Originally posted by JayDog_2
a... SHRUBBERY!

Shame on you for going off topic! Can you eat that SHRUBBERY? :)

I could do without the slow motion musical endings every single episode, but the show still has me hooked.

Yeah, that's not my favorite thing, either. This episode was interesting, but now I'm *really* looking fwd to next week. The preview was very intriguing, to say the least.

There were a couple of less than gripping episodes following the pilot, but this one definitely kicked butt. Next week looks to be even better.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
I think it's wrong of you all to go off topic like this...

...But I think we can allow it to continue on one condition....

You must bring me.... A SHRUBBERY!

:D

But Not Too Expensive! :-)

GREAT Episode tonight! Guess ol' Sayid wasn't just a humble communications operator, eh? Loved his line "part of my job was to help the enemy communicate' lol But he seems to genuinely regret whatever it was he did, so who knows?

How about that Sawyer? Issues....issues! But he was smart enough to get his kiss from Kate. :-)

I'd take a couple splints under the nails for that kiss. :)

Originally posted by CPanther95
I'd take a couple splints under the nails for that kiss. :) For that kiss, I'd take double that torture. That was no "little kiss".

For that kiss, I'd take double that torture. That was no "little kiss".
I do like a woman that is generous.

Originally posted by catdaddy
I do like a woman that is generous.

"Freckles" really is a giver. I have to admire Sawyer for starting to call her that - he couldn't have picked a better pet name! :D

Actually the island, the story, and all the characters are really being controlled by ...
... this AVS thread, and the ideas posted here. ;-)

- Tom

The thing I thought was interesting was how Locke was trying to instigate something between Sayid and Sawyer. I wonder if the speculation earlier, about the island possessing Locke, is correct?

That kiss was all tongue and Sawyer wasn't going to pass on that!

Sawyer's backstory seems... oddly familiar.

Touching as intended but you know, I'm not sure it was worth it as it detracts from the story of who destroyed the transceiver.

Guess they want to string out the mystery until they got enough episodes in the can for syndication.

Originally posted by Innova
The thing I thought was interesting was how Locke was trying to instigate something between Sayid and Sawyer. I wonder if the speculation earlier, about the island possessing Locke, is correct?
Yes, we found that interesting, also. That is exactly the term my wife and I thought of when Locke said that, "What an instigator he is". Maybe the island, or whatever controls it, feeds off of conflict; kind of like that old "Star Trek" episode (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/library/episodes/TOS/detail/68792.html), I believe it was.

Just a note:
There is no double re-run of "Lost" scheduled for Saturday Nov. 20 - in case any of you were counting on it.
Just as the network got some of us hooked on this option, they take it away.

Originally posted by Richard Winfeld
Just a note:
There is no double re-run of "Lost" scheduled for Saturday Nov. 20 - in case any of you were counting on it.
Just as the network got some of us hooked on this option, they take it away.

Weren't they just doing that every other week? Maybe next week then.

This Saturday (Nov. 13) ABC is showing the Harry Potter movie 8-11pm. The following Saturday (Nov. 20) ABC is showing the baseball movie "The Rookie" 8-11pm.
So, no "Lost" double episode rebroadcast on Nov. 20 like they have been doing. That's all I know.

There would be no idea worse than resetting the clock and having us watch the other people in season 2 and 3....

This show is a relatively short shelf life show in that I doubt you'll see it run the "magic 7" seasons... but part of what will keep it going is finding ways to keep us interested in the very people we've already become invested in.

Judicious use of the "hey, why haven't we seen him / her before" gimmick as new characters are brought in and one or more survivors from past crashes ought to do the show just fine.

Working off their original 20-page outline, Mr. Abrams and Mr. Lindelof had ideas about the show's vibe - "Gilligan" meets "X Files,"

Up to this point, the show has mostly been introducing us to the "Gilligan" characters through their backstories. The only "X Files" so far has been a mysterious appearance of a polar bear, and "something" moving in the trees. Once we are hooked on caring about the people, I suspect there will be more stories which put them in danger from "the island".

Originally posted by CPanther95
Of all the people that look like they may have been living on the island for 20 years, Hurley would probably be my last guess - unless the monster on the island is actually a huge taco that craps scoops of ice cream. :) No, YOU'RE a Turd Sandwich. :D

Originally posted by hypokondriak
I could do without the slow motion musical endings every single episode, but the show still has me hooked. Agreed. Cheese-factor is growing with every new song. Still, it hasn't even come close to Desperate Housewives-level soap.

Originally posted by Richard Winfeld
Just a note:
There is no double re-run of "Lost" scheduled for Saturday Nov. 20 - in case any of you were counting on it.
Just as the network got some of us hooked on this option, they take it away. …on the one week (thus far) that my local completely stuffs up and shows the entire episode in SD. *shrug* (They've been having encoder issues since at least Monday, which seem to be completely unresolved.) They could pull a triple-play, show three episodes in sequence on the 27th, if they'd consent to skipping a repeat of Desperate Housewives, but with that show approaching CSI-numbers (not to mention pulling in double the number of viewers on its repeats than Lost does on theirs), I'd consider that unlikely. Perhaps a Thanksgiving-day marathon? Oh yeah, that day's booked. *shrug*

Did anyone else have trouble understanding key pieces of dialogue last night? There were two spots where I had to replay it over and over to make it out. One of them was when Sawyer said "I'll only tell her" or whatever it was. Took me about 6 replays to get it. There was another, but I forgot what it was now.

Originally posted by fredfa
For all you "Lost" fans....a gift from Wednesday's New York Times:

How 'Lost' Careered Into Being a Hit Show


Not that they're done with the casting, even now. There are flashback episodes that have to be populated, and most of the 46 characters who survived the crash haven't been seen. The longer "Lost" stays on the air - and with an average of 18 million viewers per episode so far, it will undoubtedly be around for a while - the more likely it is that new faces will appear.
In other words, Mr. Abrams said, there's plenty of room to develop more characters without a need for outrageous plot turns. There's no need, for instance, to have another plane crash.
"No," he said, laughing. "Although I wouldn't rule that out."

All of this leads me to believe they really are making it up as they go along, not that I'm complaining with what they've come up with so far. As others have already said, let's just hope they don't run out of ideas too soon and the show turns into another Twin Peaks. It's promising to see that we'll be introduced to other survivors as time goes by.

Originally posted by jake14mw
Did anyone else have trouble understanding key pieces of dialogue last night?

I did. :mad:

Originally posted by Moorebid


Agreed. Cheese-factor is growing with every new song. Still, it hasn't even come close to Desperate Housewives-level soap.

Hmmm. 8 episodes, 3 have ended with a song... What's the fuss?

Originally posted by hefe
Hmmm. 8 episodes, 3 have ended with a song... What's the fuss?

He does it all the time on Alias...it get's a little old. Done a few times, it's ok, as much as he seems to enjoy doing it, it comes across as contrived (at least to me).

Originally posted by Iteki
But Not Too Expensive! :-)

GREAT Episode tonight! Guess ol' Sayid wasn't just a humble communications operator, eh? Loved his line "part of my job was to help the enemy communicate' lol But he seems to genuinely regret whatever it was he did, so who knows?

How about that Sawyer? Issues....issues! But he was smart enough to get his kiss from Kate. :-)

Seems like Sayid's going on his own walkabout now...to confront his ghosts from the past.

...and what a kiss it was!

Originally posted by wco81
Sawyer's backstory seems... oddly familiar.

Touching as intended but you know, I'm not sure it was worth it as it detracts from the story of who destroyed the transceiver.

Guess they want to string out the mystery until they got enough episodes in the can for syndication.

I think they wanted to use the possibility that Sawyer was the one who did it as part of why Sayid acted the way he did on this episode. Locke fed into that with his question about who would profit from not leaving the island and planting reasonable doubt about Sawyer's alibi.

Originally posted by Iteki
He does it all the time on Alias...it get's a little old. Done a few times, it's ok, as much as he seems to enjoy doing it, it comes across as contrived (at least to me).

I don't mind it. Other shows do it. Sopranos does it every time.

Originally posted by hefe
I don't mind it. Other shows do it. Sopranos does it every time. I don't mind it either but I think sopranos does it better than say Cold Case with the perp walk to music at the end.

I've only watched a couple episodes of Alias. He does the songs like this there too? Amazing. On Lost, at least, they seem completely out of place to me. I would not be unhappy at all to see them canned.All of this leads me to believe they really are making it up as they go along, not that I'm complaining with what they've come up with so far. As others have already said, let's just hope they don't run out of ideas too soon and the show turns into another Twin Peaks. It's promising to see that we'll be introduced to other survivors as time goes by.
I think that basically all series shows are petty much "made up" as they go along really. Especially this one where they whipped it up from scratch at the last moment (borrowing a few ideas etc along the way). Next week looks intriguing :).

ron

Ok, so after last night I see they are "LOST" between life and the afterlife...if you have it recorded look at Locke and also Charlie and pay attention to their comments in the first half hour....is it next Wednesday yet? darn

Originally posted by R11
I've only watched a couple episodes of Alias. He does the songs like this there too? Amazing. On Lost, at least, they seem completely out of place to me. I would not be unhappy at all to see them canned.
I think that basically all series shows are petty much "made up" as they go along really. Especially this one where they whipped it up from scratch at the last moment (borrowing a few ideas etc along the way). Next week looks intriguing :).

ron

Failrly typical Alias episode, Sidney goes through hell and at the end there is a peaceful montage with her hanging out with her friends, co-workers, etc. Then at the very end they show what the bad guys are up to for next week...and DUM DUM DUM...dramatic music. Works well on several occasions, but becomes formulaic over time. But that's just my own personal taste, I'm sure there will be people who disagree.

Originally posted by jake14mw
Did anyone else have trouble understanding key pieces of dialogue last night? There were two spots where I had to replay it over and over to make it out. One of them was when Sawyer said "I'll only tell her" or whatever it was. Took me about 6 replays to get it. There was another, but I forgot what it was now.

absolutely! same here-- that seen too as well as some in the flashback

OK, its official, I have gotten my wife on board too. She thought it was "too slow" for the first few episodes, but now she realizes that the backstory of the characters is actually a big part of the show, and I think that's been the plan all along.
Actually, we are planning on watching all 8 over again, I've been watching a couple of previous eps on Wed. evening before the new one, and its been quite interesting how much you miss the first time. Especially foreshadowings. Like:

the Korean woman watching and listening the other people even before they disclosed she spoke English

And, something might happen between her and the black guy, unless her husband gets better and less of a temper

How much Kate has practically thrown herself at Jack (Are you checking me out? , and the offer to give her a picture for his wallet) But then again, she could have just gone to the cave with him. BTW, I still don't get the Jack is Gay thing, other than the obvious turning Kate down, don't see it, and have been watching for clues.

How she slowly "came around" to Sawyer, even though she put up a front of despising him. Seems obvious now that she was getting intrigued by him, possibly from their common backgrounds (although we still don't know what she did)? It went from more real hatred to more like teasing or flirting.

More on Sawyer, in his Confidence scam, he saw the little kid, and then said the whole thing was off. Then, it seemed like he left ALL the money in the house. Then they never really finished that storyline, did he end up on the flight because he was running away from the black dude who was going to kill him if he didn't get him his money back? Usually, they have led the backstories all the way up to how they got on the plane.

At least on the past few eps, they have shown the eyes closeup of the person who the backstory is going to be about at the very beginning of the show, after the "previously on Lost" (don't know how far back this goes, but at least back to the Jack Backstory where he was getting beaten up in the schoolyard). They broke from this this time, and started out with Sawyer in bed with his confidence victim.

My possible over-simplification of the Triangulation Theory - all Sayid said was that he would put up three antennas (repeaters), if the signal was inside those antennas, he would find it. Maybe all he wanted to know is if was inside the perimeter of the three antennas. If it was strong, it was inside, (getting repeated), if it was outside, it would be weak like before?? Then maybe they could more systematically search the perimeter?

Don't think anybody said anything about this, but why did Jack hide the black and white stones from the cave from Locke? On the earlier episodes, Locke professed a deeper knowledge of the island to Jack. Jack just didn't want to "get him started" again?? Maybe he just didn't want him to use them in his backgammon set :-)

That's about it

What black and white stones?

Originally posted by wco81
What black and white stones?

When they found the two decomposed corpses, who affectionately later became known as "our own private Adam and Eve" Jack picked up a black and white stone, but when Locke started coming over, he quietly slipped them in the sack without showing them to Locke. This was also during the scene where Charlie nearly spilled the beans on the monster and the pilot.

Originally posted by da_burl

At least on the past few eps, they have shown the eyes closeup of the person who the backstory is going to be about at the very beginning of the show, after the "previously on Lost" (don't know how far back this goes, but at least back to the Jack Backstory where he was getting beaten up in the schoolyard). They broke from this this time, and started out with Sawyer in bed with his confidence victim.

My possible over-simplification of the Triangulation Theory - all Sayid said was that he would put up three antennas (repeaters), if the signal was inside those antennas, he would find it. Maybe all he wanted to know is if was inside the perimeter of the three antennas. If it was strong, it was inside, (getting repeated), if it was outside, it would be weak like before?? Then maybe they could more systematically search the perimeter?


Regarding the eyes, I was waiting to see if they would do that again. I like the continuity of that. Too bad they didn't.

On the triangulation theory, nice try, but nothing can save that bit of technical mumbo jumbo.

Antennas are antennas, not receivers or transmitters. They can be connected to receivers or transmitters. In fact, they're pretty useless if they aren't. Repeaters have actual transmitters and receivers in them. We know they did not have anything like that, since they had to go on an expedition to find the cockpit to see if they could find a transceiver. Otherwise, Sayid could have built one to do that job anyway.

Plus, even if they were repeaters, you need a full duplex radio (like cellphone as opposed to a walkie talkie) that can receive and transmit simultaneously.

And even if they could do that, they would all be operating on one frequency which would do nothing but cause interference on that channel.

And even if the could repeat to a different frequency, and Sayid could tune to one or the other, all that would tell him is if that repeater's transmitter is coming in strong or not, nothing about the original transmission....

This could go on a long time....

Originally posted by Iteki
Failrly typical Alias episode, Sidney goes through hell and at the end there is a peaceful montage with her hanging out with her friends, co-workers, etc. Then at the very end they show what the bad guys are up to for next week...and DUM DUM DUM...dramatic music. Works well on several occasions, but becomes formulaic over time. But that's just my own personal taste, I'm sure there will be people who disagree.
I'd say, fairly occaisional Alias episode. Most episodes ended with an action oriented cliffhanger. Some episodes had "softer landings" but not the majority by far.

Originally posted by hefe
Regarding the eyes, I was waiting to see if they would do that again. I like the continuity of that. Too bad they didn't.

Yeah, I was diggin' the eyes too!

[i]On the triangulation theory, nice try, but nothing can save that bit of technical mumbo jumbo.

Antennas are antennas, not receivers or transmitters. They can be connected to receivers or transmitters. In fact, they're pretty useless if they aren't. Repeaters have actual transmitters and receivers in them. We know they did not have anything like that, since they had to go on an expedition to find the cockpit to see if they could find a transceiver. Otherwise, Sayid could have built one to do that job anyway.

Plus, even if they were repeaters, you need a full duplex radio (like cellphone as opposed to a walkie talkie) that can receive and transmit simultaneously.

And even if they could do that, they would all be operating on one frequency which would do nothing but cause interference on that channel.

And even if the could repeat to a different frequency, and Sayid could tune to one or the other, all that would tell him is if that repeater's transmitter is coming in strong or not, nothing about the original transmission....

This could go on a long time.... [/B]

Yeah, its a pretty weak theory. I was thinking along the lines of reflectors or something, which is not feasible either. But I watched that whole segment over again real carefully because of the previous triangulation discussion, and that's the best I could come up with :-(

OK, everybody, enough on Triangulation, that has been officially dismissed!

But the Professor could probably do it :-)

They did say it was a cross between Gilligan's Island and X-Files. That must have been from the former :)

Xesdeeni

Originally posted by da_burl

...
More on Sawyer, in his Confidence scam, he saw the little kid, and then said the whole thing was off. Then, it seemed like he left ALL the money in the house. Then they never really finished that storyline, did he end up on the flight because he was running away from the black dude who was going to kill him if he didn't get him his money back? Usually, they have led the backstories all the way up to how they got on the plane.
...


I was left with this EXACT same question. Did he leave ALL of the money there?

Originally posted by jake14mw
I was left with this EXACT same question. Did he leave ALL of the money there?
It appeared he was dreaming during that part, maybe he was wishing that was the way it really went down?

They did say it was a cross between Gilligan's Island and X-Files. That must have been from the former :)
If that were the case, why would Sayid need a laptop battery for the transceiver? He would have just made one from a coconut. :)

But, this does lead to a couple more questions:

1. Who, in real life, would call a two-way radio a "transceiver" anyway? Only the manufacturer's technical specifications...The rest of us would call it a "walkie-talkie" or just plain "radio."

2. Why did Sayid have trouble finding batteries when the AA's in Hurley's CD player are still working, and Jack and Charlie both had flashlights?

Hmmm...

Well, it looks like in next week episode we will meet the 'other' inhabitants on the island....

Originally posted by danco

1. Who, in real life, would call a two-way radio a "transceiver" anyway?


I would for one. As would, I guess, the majority of the AVS forum members who tend to be gear heads.

A transceiver is a device that can transmit and receive a signal, hence the term transceiver. Plus it's shorter to say transceiver than two-way radio. :D

Originally posted by hefe
I'd say, fairly occaisional Alias episode. Most episodes ended with an action oriented cliffhanger. Some episodes had "softer landings" but not the majority by far.

Y'all forgot the part where Sydney cries. Happens every episode.

Geez...even though my TWC guide now sets my SA8000HD to record Lost for 1 hour and 1 minute every week, this week's ran slightly longer. They were starting to show the previews and Hurley goes "what's that?" and it cut off...anyone care to summarize the rest of the previews I missed?

Yeah, I noticed last night's episode went to 9:02 on the program guide.

Originally posted by fhall1
...anyone care to summarize the rest of the previews I missed? You missed that? They flashed to show a quick view of the island monster!!











J/K of course :D

ron

This is a spoiler, but it is from the preview at the end of the last episode:

Sayid, while trekking about the island, gets caught in a trap and wakes up to find himself tied up in a room with a mysterious person.

Thanks cyberbri

Originally posted by cyberbri
This is a spoiler, but it is from the preview at the end of the last episode:

Sayid, while trekking about the island, gets caught in a trap and wakes up to find himself tied up in a room with a mysterious person.

i played that seen over and over frame by frame on my tivo and i'm pretty sure it's a woman who's trapped him....

Originally posted by cyberbri
Sayid, while trekking about the island, gets caught in a trap and wakes up to find himself tied up in a room with a mysterious person. I missed the last second of the preview, too, but are we sure that the room scene wasn't just a flashback? My SA 8000HD cut out right at that moment.

On another note, I'm relieved that Charlie didn't pull out a bottle of JIF that the island had mysteriously provided... :p

best line for me...

Hurley: I'm a big guy... it'll be a while before you'll want to give me a piggy-back ride.

I loved that whole scene between the two of them. It was almost as if they were reading this forum and replying. The shot from behind was genius. We saw both of their backs... Charlie was behind Hurley but didn't even block a portion of his body from sight.

They also have a tendency to mislead in the preview for next week, the axe to the Korean guy, that turned out to be cutting off his handcuffs, and the aforementioned magical/beautiful island.

I'm also interested in what "fell from the sky" according to Locke, and evoked a classic "Whoa, Dude!!" from Hurley!!

Oh, Sayid is being held by not only a woman, but a blonde, apparently, at the very very end she appears to be preparing a hypodermic to shoot him up with (got the whole thing on my Fusion), but I just set it five minutes long now, at the expense of Kevin Hill :-)

Originally posted by PJO1966
best line for me...

Hurley: I'm a big guy... it'll be a while before you'll want to give me a piggy-back ride. I thought the line shoulda been...

"I'm bigger than you and higher up the food chain. GET IN MY BELLY!"

Originally posted by Hounsfield
I missed the last second of the preview, too, but are we sure that the room scene wasn't just a flashback? I wondered that same thing because there is an electric light bulb overhead in the room.

Originally posted by tall1
I thought the line shoulda been...

"I'm bigger than you and higher up the food chain. GET IN MY BELLY!"

LOL!

Originally posted by hefe
They better hope he doesn't get a hold of Sawyer's copy of Watership Down, otherwise the island will be overrun with killer rabbits!:p

Hey, I read a sci/fi book as a kid that was about a group of people who crash landed their spaceship on an unknown and uncharted planet. It was a paradise during the summer with cute, cuddly rabbits that were as common as a Hummer on Sunset Blvd, Saturday nights...

But heading towards the winter, those cute cuddly rabbit-like creatures turned into fanged, evil meat-eating savage monsters, intent on eating every single human on the planet!

I wish I could remember the book title, I'd love to read it again now.

Originally posted by PDPnNJ
I did. :mad:

Me too.

Btw, does anyone know where I can download the last three episodes or so? No Tivo here and my work schedule forces me to miss the first 30 minutes of the show. :(

CZ Eddie: You have a PM.

Originally posted by maxman Originally posted by PDPnNJ
I did. :mad:
Me too.
Dude, if you're gonna quote something, quote something that contains the information you're actually responding to. I had to go back almost two pages of posts to figure out what you were responding to.

Originally posted by NetworkTV
Me too.
Dude, if you're gonna quote something, quote something with some substance. I had to go back almost two pages of posts to figure out what you were responding to. [/QUOTE]

Dude, I expected both quotes to be picked up, not just the last one - sorry!

Originally posted by maxman
Dude, I expected both quotes to be picked up, not just the last one - sorry! No problem - I just hate having to track stuff down in some of these threads that are really long. You can insert the Quote tag inside other quotes if you need to. Just make sure you begin each one and terminate it at the end for each quote.

edited to add original context in case NetworkTV needs to know what is going on. ;)

Originally posted by CZ Eddie
Btw, does anyone know where I can download the last three episodes or so? No Tivo here and my work schedule forces me to miss the first 30 minutes of the show. :(

Originally posted by tall1
CZ Eddie: You have a PM.

That helped big time! You're a hero. :D

The above quotes were regarding having trouble understanding some of the speech in teh show.

I also had a problem understanding some of the stuff Sawyer was saying while tied up. His mumble was worse than Viggo Mortensen.

Smallville is another show that tends to end on songs..but it's mostly opera

Originally posted by Rakesh.S
The above quotes were regarding having trouble understanding some of the speech in teh show.

I also had a problem understanding some of the stuff Sawyer was saying while tied up. His mumble was worse than Viggo Mortensen.

Smallville is another show that tends to end on songs..but it's mostly opera I figured that out after I found the post he quoted - it's all good now. Sorry to be a hard-a**.

Anyone ever notice that everyone on this plane has some sort of criminal or deviant past? Makes me wonder who Hurley killed. I fly a lot for work. Now I look at my fellow passengers and wonder what drugs they are on, what bank they robber, who they killed, or how many get their jollies calling 900 numbers.

Still makes me think that they are all dead and are now in some sort of purgatory. The caves symbolizing that as they come to grips with who they are they move into the caves. Holes in the ground that equal graves.

Could be the the nameless others may actually be alive. There is no interaction because they do not see the ghosts. Kind of like that Nicole Kidman movie a couple of years back, "The Others"

At the end of last episode, in the part where they play the summary music and show bits of what each person is up to, do you think there is significance to the large flower that is not growing in the body of the plane?

Every time I watch the show it reminds me of of short story that I read years and years ago. I can never quite remember the name but the theme seams very familiar for some reason.

Originally posted by NetworkTV
I figured that out after I found the post he quoted - it's all good now. Sorry to be a hard-a**.

i know..my fault..i had originally meant to post about an hour ago and i hit reply just a few mins ago

Originally posted by da_burl


Oh, Sayid is being held by not only a woman, but a blonde, apparently, at the very very end she appears to be preparing a hypodermic to shoot him up with (got the whole thing on my Fusion), but I just set it five minutes long now, at the expense of Kevin Hill :-)

Not only does she have a syringe (and not some cheapo disposable either), it also looked like there was an electric light wherever they were on that split-second shot in the preview. Hmmm...either it's a flashback or we'll get some new weirdness next week. Woohoo!

Mmmmmm. Weirdness. *drool*

Originally posted by tall1
I wondered that same thing because there is an electric light bulb overhead in the room.

I would guess the power is coming from the same place the transmission is being sent. 16 years means a whole bunch of power available. Wonder how?

I'll wager this show would make a great DVD set to actually take advantage of the DVD possibility of multiple plot lines and multiple endings, only one of which will be shown on TV.

- Tom

I'm probably a jerk for asking this, but just could not search through 85 pages of posts just to see if it had already been discussed. If it has, just say so and I will go digging...

The last couple of episodes of Lost had the 5.1 audio turn into 2.0 audio after the return from the last commercial segment. I'm getting this off the Boston affiliate. Are other people seeing (hearing?) this? Is it a problem with the national feed or is it just my local making the same error each week? I *think* I might have noticed similar sound shennagins with Desperate Housewives too, but I can't be certain.

Originally posted by jake14mw
Did anyone else have trouble understanding key pieces of dialogue last night? There were two spots where I had to replay it over and over to make it out. One of them was when Sawyer said "I'll only tell her" or whatever it was. Took me about 6 replays to get it. There was another, but I forgot what it was now. That's for what closed captioning is. :)

Originally posted by hefe
Hmmm. 8 episodes, 3 have ended with a song... What's the fuss? "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times…?" :) Well, you could call it enemy action, but I'll just call it a trend, and an unwelcome one at that.

Originally posted by Iteki
He does it all the time on Alias...it get's a little old. Done a few times, it's ok, as much as he seems to enjoy doing it, it comes across as contrived (at least to me). Wholly agreed, it reminds me of bad silent film acting.

Originally posted by hefe
I don't mind it. Other shows do it. Sopranos does it every time. The vastly distinct difference between the two is that Sopranos doesn't make their characters act like it's a musical montage that closes the show, it comes much more naturally. The point at which you lose the character and look straight through to the actor is when the scene loses complete credibility. And that's what Lost has accomplished with each of these endings.

Originally posted by danco
Why did Sayid have trouble finding batteries when the AA's in Hurley's CD player are still working, and Jack and Charlie both had flashlights?They need an excuse to play music over the slo-mo ending. :) Though they didn't use it this week, but still… I have a feeling they're going to be half-way through season 7, and Hurley's still going to be listening to that CD player… and when the show moves to the WB, CD's are going to start dropping from the sky that were just released last week… "For more information on the music of Lost, go to thewb.com."

Originally posted by tall1
I wondered that same thing because there is an electric light bulb overhead in the room. Anything that could power a radio transmitter for 16 years can power a light bulb. And assuming it's a hardend facility like I am (no way a downed plane could sustain that level of power for that length of time), they'd probably have a stockpile.

Originally posted by Rakesh.S
Smallville is another show that tends to end on songs..but it's mostly opera Bah-hahaha. That's the company we want to keep, too… Lost and Smallville, two sides of the same coin.

Originally posted by Jah-Wren Ryel
The last couple of episodes of Lost had the 5.1 audio turn into 2.0 audio after the return from the last commercial segment. I'm getting this off the Boston affiliate. Are other people seeing (hearing?) this? Is it a problem with the national feed or is it just my local making the same error each week? I *think* I might have noticed similar sound shennagins with Desperate Housewives too, but I can't be certain. Definately not here in Portland, we're consistantly 5.1, when we get it in HD. More than likely your local affiliate, could be as broad as the East coast feed, but not likely in this case as no one else has mentioned that. That's an odd thing, to retain HD but lose 5.1. Definately check with your local, try calling their News Desk Hotline during the show when it happens, tell them to let Master Control know they forgot to switch [whatever]…

Lastly (goodness, this post is just out of proportion), I was watching Smallville did I just say that out loud? on HDNet this evening; they showed a season 1 episode entitled "Kinetic," and about 20 minutes in, when Whitney's being shown the ropes by these guys who walk through walls, some unknown bimbo walks into frame - tequila in one hand, lime in the other - kisses Whitney full-on the lips, then walks out of frame to the left, face clearly in view, but briefly… and from this fleeting glimpse, I am 95% certain that said unknown bimbo was in fact Evangeline Lilly. As she was given no lines, she received no credit for this appearance, and lacking the DVD (or any reference to the appearance from Google, though she is apparantly on the short list for Lois Lane in the Singer-helmed Superman movie), I cannot confirm this. Anyone here that would be willing to admit possesses this DVD who could?

Moorebid's post = Old Testament. Will digest tomorrow.

Originally posted by Moorebid
That's for what closed captioning is. :) Not available when you watch it in HD.

Not available when you watch it in HD.

Yes it is, at least sometimes. I haven't tried it with Lost but with at least one other show with bad audio I've turned on closed captions.

- Tom

Unfortunately, neither the MyHD nor the FusionHDTV cards handle closed caption on playback. With two small children, we never get to watch anything live.

Xesdeeni

I can't watch "Lost" with CC on (even if available). There are so many details and hints that can easily be lost 'no pun intended' while reading CC material.

I only turn CC on while watching foreign material or when a movie has people with heavy accent. I didn't expect that scene to be as bad so it caught me by surprise.

As far as Sayid on next week's episode, I believe the preview is a 'flashback' and not something that is going to happen in the island.

I'm guessing the flashback will be Sayid's days with the Republican Guard, and the shot you saw was on the island. I have a friend who has a friend who is an actor. My friend got an e-mail from his friend yesterday telling him to watch next week's episode of LOST, because he's in it. He plays Omar (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1041023/).

Xesdeeni

Hey, crap! In looking at IMDB closer, I see there is a gap in episodes between November 17 and December 1! It looks like November 24 is pre-empted for The Bachelor!? !@$#%^#

Xesdeeni

Hey, crap! In looking at IMDB closer, I see there is a gap in episodes between November 17 and December 1! It looks like November 24 is pre-empted for The Bachelor!? !@$#%^#

Well, kewl! That will give me a chance to catch up on my missed LAX episodes that (I think) still happen at the same time. ;)

- Tom

Originally posted by htevolution
Not only does she have a syringe (and not some cheapo disposable either), it also looked like there was an electric light wherever they were on that split-second shot in the preview. Hmmm...either it's a flashback or we'll get some new weirdness next week. Woohoo!

It's probably the French chick from the radio. A good twist is that she's dressed in leather from head-to-toe, turns out she's into S&M. She is going to make Sayid her boy-toy.

Moorebid
I recently watched that episode of Smallville with my wife and when I saw her I said that looks like the girl from Lost. I went back and she watched it and agreed that it was her. I have since erased it from the Tivo but I agree that it was her.

My first thought from the preview was that it was the French chick with Saiyd. Also that was who I thought hit him.

If it is the French chick, how are they going to communicate?

If she knew English, she should have sent the distress call in English, which is way more universal than French.

Originally posted by wco81
If it is the French chick, how are they going to communicate?

If she knew English, she should have sent the distress call in English, which is way more universal than French.

Well, you know how the French are....... :D

From my brief time in France (only 10 days), two things were crystal clear:

1) Most of them spoke English
2) Most of them pretended they couldn't around Americans.

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
Hey, crap! In looking at IMDB closer, I see there is a gap in episodes between November 17 and December 1! It looks like November 24 is pre-empted for The Bachelor!? !@$#%^#

Xesdeeni

Yeah, more people are traveling that weekend than any other time of the year. The networks probably figure a major portion of the viewers won't be home to see it anyway.

The French chick is reported to be played by an actress familiar to many of the TV sci-fi geeks out there. I'd post it in spoiler tags - if I could figure out how to do spoiler tags....? Doesn't seem to be any provision for it in the "reply" screen, nor in the FAQ's, yet I've seen them used. Anybody know how that's done?

put info here

Just use these tags without the spaces before and after your message [spoiler ] [/spoiler ].

D@mn efficient mods!!!

[spoil er] ................................ [/spoil er]

with no gap.

Originally posted by wco81
If it is the French chick, how are they going to communicate?

If she knew English, she should have sent the distress call in English, which is way more universal than French.

Maybe she thought there were others (French) looking for her. Maybe the island or the region is around French territories. Didn't they have a lot of that in the South Pacific? We went to help them in Viet Nam, didn't we? They have done nuclear testing in the South Pacific. My history on these things is pretty bad so I could have some confusion...

Sayid's scenes aren't a flashback. The commercials yesterday have been saying something to the effect of "they find out they're not alone on the island"

Originally posted by archiguy
Okay, here ya' go (French chick actress):

The French chick will be played by none other than....drum role....Mira Furlan, the luminous Delenn from Babylon 5

Lost Alert
Evangeline Lilly is on Letterman tonight. !!
You have to put up with Pee Wee Herman first ...........but she should be worth the wait.

Originally posted by NorCal
Lost Alert
Evangeline Lilly is on Letterman tonight. !!
You have to put up with Pee Wee Herman first ...........but she should be worth the wait.

If only it were HD Maybe next year? But that's another thread.

Originally posted by hefe
Maybe she thought there were others (French) looking for her. Maybe the island or the region is around French territories. Didn't they have a lot of that in the South Pacific? We went to help them in Viet Nam, didn't we? They have done nuclear testing in the South Pacific. My history on these things is pretty bad so I could have some confusion...

France did nuclear testing in French Polynesia for quite sometime (60'2-90's??). They stopped in the early 90's.....but then started again in the mid 90's.

My wife and I honeymooned in the Tahitian islands in August-September of 95 and the day we were leaving to go back to the states there were nasty Riots in Papeete (capital of Tahiti on the MAIN island of Tahiti) following the resumption of nuclear testing. Talk about freaky....your in the middle of paradise all set to go home (being sad about that fact) and then your bus driver says something to the effect of "Sorry you guys have to get out here because it's too crazy for me to drive to close to the airport because of the riots". We were like "Riots.....what riots!!!" What a wild, wild ride.......


But, I *think* that's the reason that the wife and I are hooked on Lost....that island.....is paradise....just like Tahiti was.

Originally posted by NorCal
Lost Alert
Evangeline Lilly is on Letterman tonight. !!
You have to put up with Pee Wee Herman first ...........but she should be worth the wait.

let's just hope that PeeWee doesn't pull his theater stunt, that got him arrested, when he sees Ms. Lilly

Originally posted by NorthJersey
let's just hope that PeeWee doesn't pull his theater stunt, that got him arrested, when he sees Ms. Lilly Something like offering her some popcorn?

Maybe she thought there were others (French) looking for her. Maybe the island or the region is around French territories. Didn't they have a lot of that in the South Pacific? We went to help them in Viet Nam, didn't we? They have done nuclear testing in the South Pacific. My history on these things is pretty bad so I could have some confusion...

Anyone see the re-make of Godzilla a few years back? The premise was a giant lizard created by French nuclear testing...if the island monster turns out to be "Son of Godzilla"....I'm outta here.

Originally posted by tall1
Something like offering her some popcorn?

More like offerering her butter for her popcorn. :eek:

Okay... here's my vote for what should happen when they do the 'Michael' episode...

They devise a plan to use the Korean guy as bait for the 'creature' of the island... This kills two birds with one stone. 1) they find out more about the creature. and 2) This leaves the Korean women free to 'get it on' with Michael.

And all that happens while we learn about Michael's past, where he always dreamed of having a nice Korean women to settle down with. :)


I'm really looking forward to next week to find out what happens with Sayid and the ****** ****. ;)

And what guy here did not imagine yourself being the one that kissed Kate!
You think Sawyer had some serious bad breath? or what? :)

Originally posted by NorCal
Lost Alert
Evangeline Lilly is on Letterman tonight. !!


and unfortunately, since it's Letterman, not in HD.

edit:
oops, Iteki already posted the same thing.

So am I reading too much into this?

I chuckled at the part when Kate talked to Sawyer as he came up the beach naked. She glanced down briefly and then said "I guess the water's real cold when you're not wearing pants"

We guys know what she was talking about, eh?

"There's shrinkage?

Major shrinkage!"

Or the dialogue between Elaine, Jerry and George went something like that.

Originally posted by wco81
"There's shrinkage?

Major shrinkage!"

Or the dialogue between Elaine, Jerry and George went something like that.

I think it is something like this:

Elaine: "It shrinks?"

Jerry: "Like a frightened turtle."

Elaine: "I don't know how you guys walk around with those things."

:D

Originally posted by spiff72
I think it is something like this:

Elaine: "It shrinks?"

Jerry: "Like a frightened turtle."

Elaine: "I don't know how you guys walk around with those things."

:D

I believe it was "SIGNIFICANT SHRINKAGE!" but it's close enough lol. I thought that was a pretty funny statement by Kate as well. But if you're dumb enough to climb naked out of the water and stick it in someone's face, you'd better have the product to back up the marketing lol

Originally posted by Iteki
....But if you're dumb enough to climb naked out of the water and stick it in someone's face, you'd better have the product to back up the marketing lol
Very few of us can get away with it! ;)

ABC "lost" me as a viewer with that last episode. Very poor story line.

Originally posted by Kipp Jones
ABC "lost" me as a viewer with that last episode. Very poor story line. I have to agree. The "kiss" was really dopey. Very unrealistic that someone would go through all that torture for a kiss.

I though he might have been referring to the "violence".

Originally posted by tall1
I have to agree. The "kiss" was really dopey. Very unrealistic that someone would go through all that torture for a kiss.

He didn't go through the torture for the kiss, he did it so he could feel pain. He thinks he deserves it as a bad person. Poor guy is just good enough to feel bad about himself. Must suck. But hey, WHAT A KISS!

Originally posted by Iteki
I believe it was "SIGNIFICANT SHRINKAGE!"

You are right :D


George: Well I just got back from swimming in the pool. And the water was

cold...



Jerry: Oh... You mean... shrinkage.



George: Yes. Significant shrinkage!



Jerry: So you feel you were short changed.



George: Yes! I mean, if she thinks that's me she's under a complete

misapprehension. That was not me, Jerry. That was not me.


The Hamptons (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheHamptons.htm)

Originally posted by maxman
I though he might have been referring to the "violence".

Actually it is because they would torture someone for inhalers. My wife has asthma and I can appreciate the need for them but it was not a life or death scenario. I could see if he was hiding someones heart medicine or something like that. The kiss thing was stupid too. My prediction is that the show will die off after the first season.

Well maybe the pain thing was too deep for me to understand. But if I had just had my face pounded by two guys and bamboo shoots shoved under my fingernails I don't think I would feel like kissing Kate....

Oh wow, is that Evangeline Lilly on Letterman? I take it all back. I would kiss her even as my wife was beating my ass with a broom.

Originally posted by Kipp Jones
ABC "lost" me as a viewer with that last episode. Very poor story line.

To each their own...

Actually, I'm on board with Kipp on this one. Seems like they're trying to go 90210 on us. Overall, one of the weaker episodes IMO, but I'll still tune in next week. Based on the previews, it seems like things might pick up quickly.

Originally posted by tall1
Well maybe the pain thing was too deep for me to understand. But if I had just had my face pounded by two guys and bamboo shoots shoved under my fingernails I don't think I would feel like kissing Kate....

Oh wow, is that Evangeline Lilly on Letterman? I take it all back. I would kiss her even as my wife was beating my ass with a broom.

I'm taping Red Dragon...any chance of some 4:3 screen caps?