Didn't the first ep begin with an ultra-closeup of Jack's eye, then pull back to what is the first pic in the link you sent? If so, then we'd need to see a pic of the closeup to be sure...
I just checked out the first episode and there is definitely no "black cloud" reflected in Jack's eye. It's simply a relfection of the light coming through the foliage directly above Jack's head. You can tell because after the closeup of Jack's eyeball comes a shot from his perspective looking up into the trees, and there's an opening in the leaves that corresponds directly to a light part in the reflection in his eye. I'll post the screen caps when the Photobucket site maintenance is finished and I can log in.

By the way, this ep seems to confirm that Fenry (Fake henry) lied to Locke about not entering the numbers into the computer. Not really sure why he would lie about it unless he wanted for some reason to get Locke to not enter them.

Fenry didn't look all that surprised near the end when the sky whited out.

In a related story...

Did you catch Evangeline Lily on Leno about two weeks ago (and then again on the late-night rerun last night)? WOW!

First of all, the HD picture quality on Leno is absolutely spectacular. The set design is simply stunning, with the color scheme and fabrics and woods and lighting and green plants in the background... just gorgeous.

Secondly, her dark brown pantsuit outfit with vest-like top and T-shirt underneath made her look wonderful! It contrasted perfectly with the light tan color and corduroy fabric of the couch and made her look fabulous. Slim and fit.

Third, her hair was longer and straighter and somewhat darker (more chestnut) than it appears on Lost. Looked great.

Fourth, SHE IS GORGEOUS! I mean perfectly GORGEOUS! She does not need any makeup, her skin color is so perfectly natural. And her nose is absolutely perfectly straight. I really was surprised, how healthy and young and "girl next door" wonderful she looked. She told a story about a push-up contest with Matthew Fox, where she did 52! She did 10 quick on-the-fist pushups on the carpet for Jay (and the all-military audience, who went wild), and looked like a real tomboy athlete. Boy, is she in great shape.

Fifth, HER PERSONALITY IS FANTASTIC! She is so bright and smart and quick-witted and natural and sweet. Not taken with herself or anything phony. Absolutely the most normal down-to-earth terrific wonderful girl you'd like to have as your best friend.

Sixth... WHAT IS SHE DOING WITH DOMINIC MONAGHAN? Kind of like wondering what Kelly Brook is doing with Billy Zane, only even more remarkable?

Seventh, musical guest was Pussycat Dolls, who gave an outside stage performance for the soldiers.

Anyway, if they ever do repeat this show be sure to catch if (if you haven't already seen it). Stunning HD picture quality, and Evangeline makes a really stunning guest. Just adorable. I understand she was on Ellen yesterday and came across similarly people-friendly.

"final" podcast is out. Really suggest listening to it as it drops at least a couple of important hints.

I just checked out the first episode and there is definitely no "black cloud" reflected in Jack's eye. It's simply a relfection of the light coming through the foliage directly above Jack's head. You can tell because after the closeup of Jack's eyeball comes a shot from his perspective looking up into the trees, and there's an opening in the leaves that corresponds directly to a light part in the reflection in his eye. I'll post the screen caps when the Photobucket site maintenance is finished and I can log in.
Here are the screen caps:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/capek/Eye.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/capek/Trees.jpg

In a related story...

Did you catch Evangeline Lily on Leno about two weeks ago (and then again on the late-night rerun last night)? WOW!

First of all, the HD picture quality on Leno is absolutely spectacular. The set design is simply stunning, with the color scheme and fabrics and woods and lighting and green plants in the background... just gorgeous.

Secondly, her dark brown pantsuit outfit with vest-like top and T-shirt underneath made her look wonderful! It contrasted perfectly with the light tan color and corduroy fabric of the couch and made her look fabulous. Slim and fit.

Third, her hair was longer and straighter and somewhat darker (more chestnut) than it appears on Lost. Looked great.

Fourth, SHE IS GORGEOUS! I mean perfectly GORGEOUS! She does not need any makeup, her skin color is so perfectly natural. And her nose is absolutely perfectly straight. I really was surprised, how healthy and young and "girl next door" wonderful she looked. She told a story about a push-up contest with Matthew Fox, where she did 52! She did 10 quick on-the-fist pushups on the carpet for Jay (and the all-military audience, who went wild), and looked like a real tomboy athlete. Boy, is she in great shape.

Fifth, HER PERSONALITY IS FANTASTIC! She is so bright and smart and quick-witted and natural and sweet. Not taken with herself or anything phony. Absolutely the most normal down-to-earth terrific wonderful girl you'd like to have as your best friend.

Sixth... WHAT IS SHE DOING WITH DOMINIC MONAGHAN? Kind of like wondering what Kelly Brook is doing with Billy Zane, only even more remarkable?

Seventh, musical guest was Pussycat Dolls, who gave an outside stage performance for the soldiers.

Anyway, if they ever do repeat this show be sure to catch if (if you haven't already seen it). Stunning HD picture quality, and Evangeline makes a really stunning guest. Just adorable. I understand she was on Ellen yesterday and came across similarly people-friendly.

i met her last May at Disney World- we both stayed at the Animal Kingdom Lodge- my family and i were at the concierge buffet and i looked next to me and whispered to my wife - 'that looks like the guy from lost' - turned out it was monahan and next to him was lily- i talked to her then and again a few nites later - she was barefoot - absoulutely no makeup at all - she was gorgeous - but much smaller than i thought - and very friendly. he on the other hand... not so much- but who cared- i wanted to talk with her not him! :D

btw- how about the push ups and the urine story on leno! :eek:

i met her last May at Disney World- we both stayed at the Animal Kingdom Lodge- my family and i were at the concierge buffet and i looked next to me and whispered to my wife - 'that looks like the guy from lost' - turned out it was monahan and next to him was lily- i talked to her then and again a few nites later - she was barefoot - absoulutely no makeup at all - she was gorgeous - but much smaller than i thought - and very friendly. he on the other hand... not so much- but who cared- i wanted to talk with her not him! :D

btw- how about the push ups and the urine story on leno! :eek:What? slumming @ the AKL... :eek: I thought all you "celebrities" stayed @ the GF! :D

What? slumming @ the AKL... :eek: I thought all you "celebrities" stayed @ the GF! :D

here's the funny part - the only reason we stayed at the Concierge Level was to be able to do the Sunrise Safari - a special private safari (private with other concierge guests) before the park even opens. So the next AM we're finishing up our private safari and who is in line to get on the regular safari?? yup, Lily and Monahan!

Uuhhh...if Desmond didn't enter the numbers properly, (SYSTEM FAILURE, SYSTEM FAILURE) and therefore the EMF accelerated and strengthened, perhaps even bringing the plane down...how did it end up diminishing and the clock began again? When it was Locke's turn, why didn't the same thing happen? Instead, it was the mother of all EMF's, crushing the clock and running amok, and requiring the failsafe to stop it. Why was Desmond's outcome different from Locke's?

Uuhhh...if Desmond didn't enter the numbers properly, (SYSTEM FAILURE, SYSTEM FAILURE) and therefore the EMF accelerated and strengthened, perhaps even bringing the plane down...how did it end up diminishing and the clock began again? When it was Locke's turn, why didn't the same thing happen? Instead, it was the mother of all EMF's, crushing the clock and running amok, and requiring the failsafe to stop it. Why was Desmond's outcome different from Locke's?Because Desmond did eventually put in the code to reset the system, albeit late. In this incident, since Locke smashed the monitor, it became "impossible" to enter the code ;)

That is not what I am referring to. What I saw was the tail section of a plane flying into the water off just off the coast. I just checked the DVR it must have been after the DVR stopped recording. I am not imagining this. I paused it (while I was watching in real time) to see if there was anything on the tail or any other clues.
Nobody else saw this?!?!

You weren't imagining it. After "Bad Robot" the show ended and my DVD stopped. I had it set to record the news immediately afterwards on the same channel and the crash sequence was the first thing recorded just prior to the start of the news. (Philadelphia station). Someone mentioned the west coast feed, but the opening sequence of this episode didn't include this footage (at least on my recording).

Obviously, Desmond responded faster than Lock...Also Lock smashed the computer...

This thread has gone off the deep end....DEEP END

Listen to the podcast....alot of clairification for the final episode...

Where do I find the final podcast?

www.abc.com

Goto Shows >>> Lost >> Official Podcast

its 28 minutes long...

Because Desmond did eventually put in the code to reset the system, albeit late. In this incident, since Locke smashed the monitor, it became "impossible" to enter the code ;)

So even though the system failed, it could still recover. I was afraid that was the answer. Seems kind of like recalling the nukes.

I still wonder, if Dharma designed the failsafe method to permanently contain the EMF, why they didn't just go thru with it in the beginning. Why leave it as an option for weary and suicidal button pushers in the future?

This thread has gone off the deep end....DEEP END

Listen to the podcast....alot of clairification for the final episode...

Heh-heh...what else is new?

Maybe later they'll show how they still work.

Mark

I got a pretty good look at the Whirlpool Duets sailing through the bunker, although the logo wasn't featured. ;)

RE: The aircraft breaking up.

There was a 737 that broke up in mid-air over South America a few years ago due to a failure of the data stream going to the ADI (Attitude Determination Indicator: yes, I mean aTtitude not aLtitude; it's a fancy version of an artificial horizon).

The plane was turning onto a new course when the data from the gyro to the ADI stopped, so the ADI kept indicating a left bank. The pilots kept rolling right until a burst of good data hit the ADI and it instantly flipped to showing a large right bank (around 45 degrees IIRC).

The pilot then tried to roll left, but since they weren't getting good info on the ADI, they rolled inverted and nose down and went into a high speed dive. The aerodynamic forces tore the plane apart in mid-air.

Bodies and plane parts were found in trees and scattered around a relatively small area of jungle since the plane was going almost straight down when it broke up. The bodies were mostly nude or with tattered strips of clothing due to being in a ~700 MPH slipstream when the plane disintegrated. Obviously, everyone died.

If you really wanted to know how fast they were going when they hit the ground, the easiest way would be to first come up with an approximation of the Ballistic Coefficient of a human body, then you could use an exterior ballistics software package to determine how long it would take to slow down from 700 MPH to the terminal velocity determined by just gravity.

BTW: for those who are wondering what happened to all the backup systems.
First, they very flying on an overcast night over jungle so they couldn't see the real horizon. Second, the investigators determined that all three ADIs were set to the data stream from the same gyro. So the pilots defeated all the backups. My guess is that pilots had seen some problems and tried switching around to different gyros and perhaps they thought they got it fixed and then forgot that they had all the ADIs set to the same gyro.

My moral to the story is never fly crummy third world airlines since they typically buy very old used aircraft that need a hell of a lot of maintenance which they don't get.

Ya, I'm pretty sure that other picture was faked. My recording didn't show the cloud in his eye either.

Mark

Here are pics from that first episode. Don't see any indication of a black cloud.

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=thumbnails&album=3

Last night's airing is the first episode of Lost I've watched. Very confusing. Can anyone explain what's going on?

Start here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=449662&page=1&pp=30

Speaking of WPVI-DT they also seem to have a problem with a 3 second audio dropout at least once an hour with all their HD programs.

Comcast w/Scientific Atlanta cable box?

"final" podcast is out. Really suggest listening to it as it drops at least a couple of important hints.
I finally went over to the dark side and listened to the final podcast and it was worth the listen. No spoilers but it does answer a few questions and talks about what some of the focus will be on next season and what long wondered about questions will be answered as well.

This thread is like, a thousand pages long and people are still debating the authenticity of the Losties' plane crash(?).

This thread is like, a thousand pages long and people are still debating the authenticity of the Losties' plane crash(?).

I'm with you, Rezzy. I know forums are completely free-form, and people react harshly or kindly to others' posts based on whether they deem their topics appropriate. Still, you'd think the posts would follow the story's narrative and stay with the real, open questions. Instead, we get numerous exchanges on the prior TV/film appearances of actors, debates on the appropriateness of appliances, and an ever-present assumption (I partake in this) that these characters are real, in the sense that they are thinking, talking, and planning in between the parts we're shown. I think it is obvious where we need to allow creative license (plane crash) and where we should expect further resolution ( EMF, Others). The question is always, "where are the writers taking us next?"

Please forgive a newbie, guys, but I have a question about our HD reception during the finale of Lost. We recorded it in HD on our Comcast DVR and started watching it after the American Idol finale was done at 10:00. After the last commercial break, though, something weird happened. (Yeah, I know, LOTS of weird things happened, but I mean something that wasn't supposed to happen!) We saw mouths moving, but heard no dialog. We could hear background music and sound effects, but no words! And as soon as the show ended, all the sound was back again, so I presume it had something to do with the HD signal. We watched the ending again the next day on abc.com, but I still want some answers. I called ComCast, and of course they said they had nothing to do with it, ask ABC, but I thought I'd ask some people who might really know something, so here I am! Does anyone here have any clue as to this special Lost mystery?

P.S. This was the signal from ComCast-Chattanooga, TN. Thanks!

Did I miss something, or am I correct in concluding that we still do NOT have a satisfactory answer for what about the island (a) cured Rose's cancer, (2) healed Locke's legs, and (c) allowed Sun to get pregnant?

Could be three different explanations, but more likely one common answer... yes?

Perhaps we'll learn more next season, I guess.

So even though the system failed, it could still recover. I was afraid that was the answer. Seems kind of like recalling the nukes.That doesn't bother me at all. I am perfectly willing to accept that whatever process is triggered by the numbers is robust enough to handle being started a minute or so later than the ideal schedule would prefer. Think of it like waiting to turn on the sump pump after the reservoir has started to overflow just a little bit.

I still wonder, if Dharma designed the failsafe method to permanently contain the EMF, why they didn't just go thru with it in the beginning. Why leave it as an option for weary and suicidal button pushers in the future?
I'm guessing that the "failsafe" has destroyed or considerably decreased the "geological uniqueness" that the station was there to study/facilitate/exploit or whatever. I would not be surprised if we find next season that it destroyed the station itself.

Now, as for Desmond's question about why they did not automate entering the numbers, I have no idea. It may well be that, to some degree, the Pearl training video was not lying, and there was some component of psychological experimentation going on there.

Didn't Desmond say that putting in the code and pushing a button, dissapated the force that builds up over time, short time, 108 minutes. Using the sump pump theory, at some point the sump pump isn't going to do it, water is pouring over the top of the dam, threatening to take out the whole structure. Floodgates and spillways are opened, hopefully everyone downstream is on their toes, and a torrent is released saving the dam. Afterwards the spillways are closed. And it fills up again.
I believe we will see someone pushing that button on schedule next season.

Please forgive a newbie, guys, but I have a question about our HD reception during the finale of Lost. We recorded it in HD on our Comcast DVR and started watching it after the American Idol finale was done at 10:00. After the last commercial break, though, something weird happened. (Yeah, I know, LOTS of weird things happened, but I mean something that wasn't supposed to happen!) We saw mouths moving, but heard no dialog. We could hear background music and sound effects, but no words! And as soon as the show ended, all the sound was back again, so I presume it had something to do with the HD signal. We watched the ending again the next day on abc.com, but I still want some answers. I called ComCast, and of course they said they had nothing to do with it, ask ABC, but I thought I'd ask some people who might really know something, so here I am! Does anyone here have any clue as to this special Lost mystery?

P.S. This was the signal from ComCast-Chattanooga, TN. Thanks!

Sounds like a problem with your local affiliate. Others are reporting the same problem in the Chattanooga thread here:

Chattanooga, TN - HDTV (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7732124#post7732124)

I believe we will see someone pushing that button on schedule next season.

Well, the monitor's broken and the countdown timer is totally crushed. Don't see how that's gonna be possible.

What's the official current year on Lost?

2004 (late November)

When Jack's group was captured, the voices in the jungle clearly said the name "Elizabeth", which was obviously the name of Desmond's boat that Sayid was using. Does this mean that the Others knew Sayid's plan?

It was also Libby's name.

what I've gotten out of the podcast in the first 5 minutes is that these guys need to stick to drama. They aren't funny.

what I've gotten out of the podcast in the first 5 minutes is that these guys need to stick to drama. They aren't funny.

Agreed. I wear a big diaper all the time, and I don't know what's so funny about that.

So what about Desmonds girl friend's father? He was shows as a very rich philanthropist. He also is the reason Desmond ended up on the Island and now his daughter is trying to locate the Island some how knowing that the Electromagnetic properties are unique there. What if her father is part of the Darhma Initiative or maybe an investor or founder of?

So what about Desmonds girl friend's father? He was shows as a very rich philanthropist. He also is the reason Desmond ended up on the Island and now his daughter is trying to locate the Island some how knowing that the Electromagnetic properties are unique there. What if her father is part of the Darhma Initiative or maybe an investor or founder of?

Widmore Labs is a company cited on Sun's pregancy test and on the real Henry Gale's balloon pod. Widmore Construction is a company whose name appeared on a billboard in the background of a scene with Charlie's Band. The father you mention has the last name Widmore. His daughter Penelope states that she is rich. Anything else is speculation and spoiler. The novel Bad Twin offers some background, and a podcast comment also provides information. Seek that information off-forum.

Did I miss something, or am I correct in concluding that we still do NOT have a satisfactory answer for what about the island (a) cured Rose's cancer, (2) healed Locke's legs, and (c) allowed Sun to get pregnant?

Could be three different explanations, but more likely one common answer... yes?

Perhaps we'll learn more next season, I guess.

Why, magnetism, of course... ;)

Did I miss something, or am I correct in concluding that we still do NOT have a satisfactory answer for what about the island (a) cured Rose's cancer, (2) healed Locke's legs, and (c) allowed Sun to get pregnant?You mean, (iii) allowed Jin to get Sun pregnant, don't you? ;)

Why, magnetism, of course... ;)Haven't you seen those late night infomercials and magazine ads for the magnetic bracelets that are supposed to relieve arthritis pain and a myriad other ills? Multiply that by 10 million, and you can cure cancer and paralysis!

Widmore Labs is a company cited on Sun's pregancy test and on the real Henry Gale's balloon pod. Widmore Construction is a company whose name appeared on a billboard in the background of a scene with Charlie's Band. The father you mention has the last name Widmore. His daughter Penelope states that she is rich. Anything else is speculation and spoiler. The novel Bad Twin offers some background, and a podcast comment also provides information. Seek that information off-forum.

Have you read Bad Twin? I have it on my nightstand to read, but I just need to find the time

Widmore Labs is a company cited on Sun's pregancy test and on the real Henry Gale's balloon pod. Widmore Construction is a company whose name appeared on a billboard in the background of a scene with Charlie's Band. The father you mention has the last name Widmore. His daughter Penelope states that she is rich. Anything else is speculation and spoiler. The novel Bad Twin offers some background, and a podcast comment also provides information. Seek that information off-forum.

It's not speculation that Widmore and Dharma are related.

http://www.widmorelaboratories.com/

99% sure that's a fan site, not part of the official Lost Experience game. There is a thread tracking the official sites over at the fuselage forum I think.

Yeah, definitely a fan site... lacks the slickness of the official sites, and WHOIS shows the domain is registered to an Adrian Brisee of Irwin, Iowa...

It's not speculation that Widmore and Dharma are related.

http://www.widmorelaboratories.com/


I thought this was kind of funny:

Widmore's has been
named exclusive
supplier at McMurdo
Station and Scott
Base for its Infinity
Express line of sun
protection products

I love the quote from the bottom of http://www.widmorelaboratories.com/:

Caution: This is a real site.
If this wasn't a real site you couldn't be here.
This site is also officially unofficial, whatever that means.
If you don't want your mind expanded beyond 27 diagonal inches,
you should leave immediately.

60 pages into the Bad Twin and its pretty damn good so far...
What's it about?

What's it about?

Its a mystery around the disapperance of one of the Widmore sons....a private eye is the main character who is tasked to find the missing son...good book so far, I was bored and read about half of it tonight (its only 250 pages)....lots of cool little cross-overs with Lost...I'm assuming, since the ficitious Troup said he took a lot of information from factual accounts of Hanso and the Widmore Organization, that most of the side information is true and relates to the fictional world that Lost and the author is from...

Its a mystery around the disapperance of one of the Widmore sons....a private eye is the main character who is tasked to find the missing son...good book so far, I was bored and read about half of it tonight (its only 250 pages)....lots of cool little cross-overs with Lost...I'm assuming, since the ficitious Troup said he took a lot of information from factual accounts of Hanso and the Widmore Organization, that most of the side information is true and relates to the fictional world that Lost and the author is from...
Sounds interesting. Are the crossovers you're talking mainly peripheral, connecting only with the "official" information available on the internet? or do any of the characters and/or events in the tv show actually get referenced in the book? If it's like one of those flashback sequences from the tv show but just more intricate, I might have to give it a try.

99% sure that's a fan site, not part of the official Lost Experience game. There is a thread tracking the official sites over at the fuselage forum I think.

Interesting. I'm surprised Disney or Bad Robot did not lock up that domain then.

It's not speculation that Widmore and Dharma are related.

http://www.widmorelaboratories.com/

Aah, but it IS a spoiler!! That information didn't come from either an episode broadcast or the preview immediately following the broadcast. You've ruined all of season 3 for me! I would have deeply preferred learning of this connection from a future show, and not from a spoiler post.

Sounds interesting. Are the crossovers you're talking mainly peripheral, connecting only with the "official" information available on the internet? or do any of the characters and/or events in the tv show actually get referenced in the book? If it's like one of those flashback sequences from the tv show but just more intricate, I might have to give it a try.

no no no...its supposed to be a fictional story told within the Lost ficitional universe, so there really isn't any large connections to anybody on the island (yet)...there are however a ton of connections to the fictional corporations the Hanso Foundation and the Widmore Organization which, if you've seen the Gary Troup interviews, is supposed to be almost fact. He used facts from the two corporations to make his fictional story.

Alot of people are questioning who actually wrote the book, and some are saying Steven King as he is a big fan of the show, but it just doesn't sound like his writing. Others are saying its James Paterson, and I think this work is more closely tied to his other work.

Its a good read for any hardcore Lost fan...the connections to the show are brief but rewarding when you can pick them out. There's a spoiler thread about Bad Twin over at the Fuselage if you just want to read that. I'll definitely be going back there to see what I actually missed.

Aah, but it IS a spoiler!! That information didn't come from either an episode broadcast or the preview immediately following the broadcast. You've ruined all of season 3 for me! I would have deeply preferred learning of this connection from the show, and not from a spoiler post.


you forgot the "/Sarcasm" tag ;)

Aah, but it IS a spoiler!! That information didn't come from either an episode broadcast or the preview immediately following the broadcast. You've ruined all of season 3 for me! I would have deeply preferred learning of this connection from the show, and not from a spoiler post.

That's just a fansite. It's as just as much speculation as the theories posted here.

...some are saying Steven King as he is a big fan of the show...

I thought it was the other way around. I had heard many times that the writers were big fans of Steven King, but never that Steven King was a fan of the show.

Further discussion of "Bad Twin" or the official websites can be posted at the retitled "games" thread:

LOST - Games, Websites, Books and other official peripherals (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=674079)

I thought it was the other way around. I had heard many times that the writers were big fans of Steven King, but never that Steven King was a fan of the show.

THe one thing I noticed in Season 1 of Lost, was the similarities to it and King's Dark Tower series. Plus, one of King's popular characters is Jack Sawyer. :)

That's just a fansite. It's as just as much speculation as the theories posted here.

Hindsite's 20/20, eh?

you forgot the "/Sarcasm" tag ;)

Oops! You're right. I've squoze the lemon dry, haven't I? The show's so big online now, offering a much richer fan experience even without spoiling. It is a shame we can only hint and leave links. Unfortunately, the turnout for the game and spoiler sites is virtually nil.

Okay, I pledge to leave it be.

Hindsite's 20/20, eh?

Getting so tiresome. :rolleyes:

You don't need hindsite to read the disclaimer on the bottom of their home page.

Regardless, if a spoiler slips through, report the post. You're ill-equipped to continually shoot for the intellectual witty sarcasm to get your point across. The same point that has been addressed ad nauseum.

Anywhere but here this summer.

Hope you don't make a liar out of yourself.

http://kjordan.net/gropethumb.jpg (http://kjordan.net/grope.jpg)

Yeah, I totally noticed this, too! If you look carefully and slow the scene down, the actress playing Alex gives a little smirk once her hands get up to Kate's armpits. My impression is that it happened so fast, she realizes at the last second how embarrassing it must have been.

Hindsite's 20/20, eh?
Gee, I don't know about Hindsite. If that's a web sight then it should be in:
LOST - Games, Websites, Books and other official peripherals :rolleyes:

But hindsight is 20/20.

Yeah, I totally noticed this, too! If you look carefully and slow the scene down, the actress playing Alex gives a little smirk once her hands get up to Kate's armpits. My impression is that it happened so fast, she realizes at the last second how embarrassing it must have been.

Yeah, her hands probably felt the, er, "protusions" underneath and she realized what she was doing. Either that, or she swings both ways and it was all intentional.

There's something for us to talk about over the summer. Quino will be missing out. :)

Btw, I listened to the podcast yesterday for the first time and, without spoiling anything, I can say that 90% of the 30 minutes was pure fluff/nonsense. That 90% was worth it for the 10% that they divulged though. I'll be listening again come fall.

Enjoy your summer!


Is this goodbye forever?

Is this goodbye forever?
No, I just think he forgot to add "See you in September..."

Is this goodbye forever?

Don't get our hopes up.

Or maybe a CIA guy operating in a war zone just didn't want to use a distinctive real first name like "Kelvin" so he used "Joe" as an alias?

Occam's razor and all...

It was actually stated on the podcast that the producers did this in order to not "spoil" anything for the viewers. They had to give the character a name for TV Guide and credits, so they intentionally just named him Joe so viewers would be surprised in the finale.

It was actually stated on the podcast that the producers did this in order to not "spoil" anything for the viewers. They had to give the character a name for TV Guide and credits, so they intentionally just named him Joe so viewers would be surprised in the finale.

Lindelof said that, but the other guy said that his actual name was "Kelvin Joe Inman."

Didn't know if he was joking around or not...which they did a lot in the PodCast.

[ spoiler]

Lindelof said that, but the other guy said that his actual name was "Kelvin Joe Inman."[ /spoiler]


FYI, it is not possible for ANYTHING concerning Season 2 to be a spoiler at this point. The season is over.

FYI, it is not possible for ANYTHING concerning Season 2 to be a spoiler at this point. The season is over.

Well, that information was not divulged on the show itself, so I was thinking in the spirit of this thread's rules, it could be construed as a spoiler. Better safe than sorry and all that.

As I've said before though, I hate spoiler talk, so that's fine...

I beg to differ. Any unanswered questions from season 1 and season 2 are still spoilers.

Mark

FYI, it is not possible for ANYTHING concerning Season 2 to be a spoiler at this point. The season is over.

Side discussion in the PVR area:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=681217&page=1&pp=30

Do they know about this thread?

The statue with 4 toes was of Homer Simpson.

Nah, probably couldn't find sandals wide enough for five toes so he chopped one off, problem solved, mystery solved.

why isn't the Experience thread more active? Honestly, so much is going down with the website...its crazy

why isn't the Experience thread more active? Honestly, so much is going down with the website...its crazy

Yawn...

Why don't you go ask that question on the "Experience" thread?

~Dan

Is the Experience thread about Jimi, Noel and Mitch...?

Nah, probably couldn't find sandals wide enough for five toes so he chopped one off, problem solved, mystery solved.

No, that's not it. When the sculpters realized they got the # of toes wrong, they just decided not to finish the rest of it.

Yawn...

Why don't you go ask that question on the "Experience" thread?

~Dan

Because obviously there is more particpation in this thread....

Finished Bad Twin...good book....don't expect any questions to be answered...

Finished Bad Twin...good book....don't expect any questions to be answered...
Did you read The Third Policeman?

It (sort of) explained the mirrors-and-telescope in the hatch, but otherwise seems to be a bit of a red herring.

Wierd book, but I found myself enjoying it.

Haven't read Bad Twin yet...

~Dan

was that book directly tied to Lost? or was it just something the writers used as a source?

I find http://www.thelostexperience.com/ to be a good site for keeping up with the game. Is there a better site?

I find http://www.thelostexperience.com/ to be a good site for keeping up with the game. Is there a better site?

http://thelostexperienceclues.blogspot.com/

This one gets updated quicker than the one you posted.

Ok, and here's one more often-updated blog:

http://nctrnlbst-lost-n-found.blogspot.com/

Is the Experience thread about Jimi, Noel and Mitch...?
Man you are OLD dude! :eek: ;)

was that book directly tied to Lost? or was it just something the writers used as a source?
The Third Policeman was quite intentionally shown in the third episode this season (as Desmond was quickly packing stuff before he ran off).

The producers let out that the book would answer a lot of questions as to what was going on.

Basically, the book is about a guy who murders his neighbor for a treasure chest. He and his buddy use explosives to blow their way into a hidden nook in the floor of the victim's house to recover the chest. Next thing you know, his buddy has double-crossed him, taken the chest, and moved into his house.

The book is then a series of weird things that happen to him on his journey: he comes upon a police barracks that's clearly two-dimensional (in an otherwise 3-D world) and inside meets two policemen, who are quite strange, and preoccupied with solving thefts of bicycles. The two policemen keep talking about a third policeman, who works the odd shift--but we never meet him until the end.

During the course of his stay at the police barracks, he follows policeman #2 to a secret cavern (accessible only by elevator) which is filled with omnium, a substance that can give you or make anything you want. The catch--you can't take it out of the cavern. [Perhaps this is a taste of the electro-magnetic properties of the island, and if Locke or Rose were ever to leave, thier medical misfortunes would return.]

He is also told of the story of an inventer (don't remember his name) who set up a telescope with an arrangement of mirrors. This apparatus was used for looking backward in time, based on the speed of light and the long path of the reflected light waves.

Anyway, at the end he meets the third policemen, whose precinct station is within the wall of his own house (yup, in the wall), where he learns the truth: he was killed when he tried to blow his way into the treasure chest, and he's been dead throughout the entire book.

Then he's back where he started, condemned to repeat the whole thing, again and again, in his own personal version of hell.

If it sounds weird, it is. But I actually found it to be quite a fun read...

~Dan

Man you are OLD dude! :eek: ;)
Like a fine wine... ;) :p

Come on, who doesn't know what those three names represent...if they don't they should, culture baby, culture... :D

The Third Policeman was quite intentionally shown in the third episode this season (as Desmond was quickly packing stuff before he ran off).

The producers let out that the book would answer a lot of questions as to what was going on.

Basically, the book is about a guy who murders his neighbor for a treasure chest. He and his buddy use explosives to blow their way into a hidden nook in the floor of the victim's house to recover the chest. Next thing you know, his buddy has double-crossed him, taken the chest, and moved into his house.

The book is then a series of weird things that happen to him on his journey: he comes upon a police barracks that's clearly two-dimensional (in an otherwise 3-D world) and inside meets two policemen, who are quite strange, and preoccupied with solving thefts of bicycles. The two policemen keep talking about a third policeman, who works the odd shift--but we never meet him until the end.

During the course of his stay at the police barracks, he follows policeman #2 to a secret cavern (accessible only by elevator) which is filled with omnium, a substance that can give you or make anything you want. The catch--you can't take it out of the cavern. [Perhaps this is a taste of the electro-magnetic properties of the island, and if Locke or Rose were ever to leave, thier medical misfortunes would return.]

He is also told of the story of an inventer (don't remember his name) who set up a telescope with an arrangement of mirrors. This apparatus was used for looking backward in time, based on the speed of light and the long path of the reflected light waves.

Anyway, at the end he meets the third policemen, whose precinct station is within the wall of his own house (yup, in the wall), where he learns the truth: he was killed when he tried to blow his way into the treasure chest, and he's been dead throughout the entire book.

Then he's back where he started, condemned to repeat the whole thing, again and again, in his own personal version of hell.

If it sounds weird, it is. But I actually found it to be quite a fun read...

~Dan

weird doesn't even begin to cover it...cool synopsis though....

sounds liek the author was on an acid trip

The Third Policeman was quite intentionally shown in the third episode this season (as Desmond was quickly packing stuff before he ran off).

The producers let out that the book would answer a lot of questions as to what was going on.

Basically, the book is about a guy who murders his neighbor for a treasure chest. He and his buddy use explosives to blow their way into a hidden nook in the floor of the victim's house to recover the chest. Next thing you know, his buddy has double-crossed him, taken the chest, and moved into his house.

The book is then a series of weird things that happen to him on his journey: he comes upon a police barracks that's clearly two-dimensional (in an otherwise 3-D world) and inside meets two policemen, who are quite strange, and preoccupied with solving thefts of bicycles. The two policemen keep talking about a third policeman, who works the odd shift--but we never meet him until the end.

During the course of his stay at the police barracks, he follows policeman #2 to a secret cavern (accessible only by elevator) which is filled with omnium, a substance that can give you or make anything you want. The catch--you can't take it out of the cavern. [Perhaps this is a taste of the electro-magnetic properties of the island, and if Locke or Rose were ever to leave, thier medical misfortunes would return.]

He is also told of the story of an inventer (don't remember his name) who set up a telescope with an arrangement of mirrors. This apparatus was used for looking backward in time, based on the speed of light and the long path of the reflected light waves.

Anyway, at the end he meets the third policemen, whose precinct station is within the wall of his own house (yup, in the wall), where he learns the truth: he was killed when he tried to blow his way into the treasure chest, and he's been dead throughout the entire book.

Then he's back where he started, condemned to repeat the whole thing, again and again, in his own personal version of hell.

If it sounds weird, it is. But I actually found it to be quite a fun read...

~Dan
Well guess we dont have to go throught the trouble of reading that book now. ;) ;)

Like a fine wine... ;) :p

Come on, who doesn't know what those three names represent...if they don't they should, culture baby, culture... :D

I've got the Jimi, but the other two... I'm lost on... Please enlighten, my culture is lacking!

I've got the Jimi, but the other two... I'm lost on... Please enlighten, my culture is lacking!
The Jimi Hendrix Experience. Jimi Hendrix, Mitch Mitchell and Noel Redding. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/230px-Jimi_Hendrix_Exp.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimi_Hendrix_Experience
The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mitch was such a hot drummer!
And I should know, my set...
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/rickmccamy/clock1.jpg
wait thats my alarm clock.
LOL, a drummer with an alarm clock. :p :D :) :p :D

OK... a quick (?) about "Lost." :D Was it the 2nd episode of season (1) where Jack, Kate & Charlie witness the pilot being ripped from the cockpit of their plane, killed and deposited up high in a tree, the survivors on the beach hear a beast ripping down trees in the jungle and Locke & Boone stare down something that towered over them? Slow as I am :rolleyes: the "light-bulb" finally went off :eek: and we see the connection between these events and Sayid's four-toed statue. Speculation please.

Yes, that's it. They have actually landed on Cyclops island, and Ulysses will need to....oops, sorry, wrong myth.

If you want to believe the producers, we've already seen the "monster" and it is the "black smoke-something-other-than-nanobot whatever" that Eko confronted. Personally, I like your suggestion of a four-toed giant better.

A four-toed-one-footed giant. Then again, maybe only his feet were oversized, in that case it could just be a man with one giant four-toed-foot. :)

Today's local paper has an interview with Harold Perrineau by Terry Morrow of the Scripps Howard News Service. Talks about his thoughts on Michaels character for the upcoming season. Possible spoiler. If I can find the link on the web, I'll post it.

Post it in the Spoiler thread if you find it.

Post it in the Spoiler thread if you find it.
Done.

A four-toed-one-footed giant. Then again, maybe only his feet were oversized, in that case it could just be a man with one giant four-toed-foot. :)Perhaps Desmond & Locke who received the maximum exposure to the magnetic phenomena will grow one too? :D

If you want to believe the producers, we've already seen the "monster" and it is the "black smoke-something-other-than-nanobot whatever" that Eko confronted. Personally, I like your suggestion of a four-toed giant better.
After watching the season 2 opener, I'm convinced that is where we saw the monster. There is a scene where Jack is incside the hatch for the first time. He enters the computer room and you hear the same weird ticker-tape sound that the smoke monster makes. You see Jack's reflection in a convex mirror, which moves. That could be the camera for the "?" hatch, but I think that was the monster (sans smoke,obviously). Anyone else notice this?

The Jimi Hendrix Experience. Jimi Hendrix, Mitch Mitchell and Noel Redding. :)

Thank you for the education....did not know the other members. Now I'm experienced! ;)

If you want to believe the producers, we've already seen the "monster" and it is the "black smoke-something-other-than-nanobot whatever" that Eko confronted. Personally, I like your suggestion of a four-toed giant better.It's a really a four-toed giant blowing smoke(?). :D Hey, I answered in the form of a question. :p

'Lost' actress Michelle Rodriguez escapes two-month jail term

Actress Michelle Rodriguez, who played detective Ana-Lucia Cortez in popular television series Lost, was released on Thursday from jail within a day of being taken in for violating probation in a drunken driving case.

EarthTimes.org article (http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/6911.html)


Another site has this info:

Last week, when Rodriguez was about to begin her sentence, she told reporters that she would do her time and leave the country for France, adding that she would never return to the United States.

Maybe she's planning to run off with Alec Baldwin. :)

France is probably not a good idea...there's lots of wine there, I hear. :)

France is probably not a good idea...there's lots of wine there, I hear. :)

Yeah, from what I've heard the DUI laws are even more harsh/strict in Europe (esp. Germany) than in the USA.

yeah, because the problem is OBVIOUSLY with the US and our laws and not with her drinking and anger issues. Man, it seems so clear now.

Maybe she's just really into Jerry Lewis movies.

heh I saw a bumper sticker that said "Namaste" today....

heh I saw a bumper sticker that said "Namaste" today....

Saw another Hanso ad Tuesday night.

Remember, Namaste is a traditional Indian greeting. You can also catch Namaste Ameica on Saturdays on many cable systems.

Remember, Namaste is a traditional Indian greeting. You can also catch Namaste Ameica on Saturdays on many cable systems.


yeah didn't look like a Lost thing...but I still found it funny

Was the Hanso web page www.retrieversoftruth.com (http://www.retrieversoftruth.com) new tonight?

NOTE: URL Corrected.

Was the Hanso web page www.retreiversoftruth.com (http://www.retreiversoftruth.com) new tonight?
Was that in a commercial? It appears to be a fan site.

Should be retrieversoftruth.com (http://retrieversoftruth.com/)

Should be retrieversoftruth.com (http://retrieversoftruth.com/)

Dr. Vincent's picture is very odd. It looks like it has been doctored, or photoshopped.

Do we know of any yellow labradors named Vincent??? ;)

http://www.talkstink.com/wp-content/images/0901ndogb.jpg

So if Michael makes it out, and has a change of heart and tries to help the Losties, it should take a while (maybe to the end of the series..heh, heh) for him to get back. If that's a couple of years, then Malcolm David Kelley would be much older. Maybe they can use this as a plot device, indicating that time inside the island area is moving more slowly. Maybe it was moving normally until the Swan blew up.

Xesdeeni

So if Michael makes it out, and has a change of heart and tries to help the Losties, it should take a while (maybe to the end of the series..heh, heh) for him to get back. I get it now... Michael "will" make it out so he can bring "Pen" back. ;)

... aluminum? I mean I know the engine and mechanics are not, but 30 000 ft away sheering force? But its quite the coincidence that the two events happened on the same day ... What I thought was interesting was the fail safe's existence. I mean, you've got a computerized EMF diffuser coupled with a fail-safe in case the diffuser is missed. Why not let the EMF go, then cancel it from the very beginning when they designed the fail-safe? Everyone seemed to be well enough afterward (Eko and Locke not withstanding)?... The tin cans on the shelf on the beach looked like they had been knoked over, but if the magnetic field were powerful enough to pull on the ferrous parts of an airplane (maybe landing gear or other parts as was previously mentioned) from many miles away, those cans would have flown off the shelves toward the source ... Although aluminum is not attarcted by magnetic fiedls like iron, it is affected by them ... The magnetic field lines were providing a resistance against the block as it moved. The faster you tried to move the block the more resistance you felt ... ... CRT [near a] magenetic field ... how was the monitor still able to clearly show "System Failure"?I still wonder, if Dharma designed the failsafe method to permanently contain the EMF, why they didn't just go thru with it in the beginning. Why leave it as an option for weary and suicidal button pushers in the future?Now, as for Desmond's question about why they did not automate entering the numbers, I have no idea. It may well be that, to some degree, the Pearl training video was not lying, and there was some component of psychological experimentation going on there.IIRC EMF may interfere constructive/destructive-ly; one of the [Scientific American / Discover / Popular Science/Mechanics] articles on shielding schemes for cosmic rays touched on these effects and some thoughts on biological effects.

Some sketchy thoughts: Sayid's cable was part of an large electromagnetic generation grid/device to create, enhance, and control the local EMF by generating these interference patterns. As a transportation device the targeted area of constructive interference could be used to move objects, but there would be other secondary interference patterns, creating localized effects on biology and other destructive interference 'safe' areas. These areas would move around inevitably and unpredictably as the cargo is moved, therefore the blast doors. (Unpredictable in the sense of not knowing what or where something will be moved, not that they are un-calculatable once [target/location/path] data is known.) The fail-safe was (paralleling a thought mentioned by tbb1226) an [electronically generated] EMF pattern designed to permanently reduce or restore the unstable [natural] EMF on the island. The field [is / is also] a [protective or cloaking] shield for EM Frequencies, rays, etc. (as Uatatoka mentioned earlier). The light show was just [Aurora Borealis type] effects from cosmic ray interaction with the local EMF disturbances as the fail-safe worked. The island also could lie just off Alaska/Iceland/Cape Horn/Antarctica at one of the poles, enhancing the effect. The Black Rock could have been a test of the transportation device. The four-toed statue may be another test of recovering some lost artifact (space or time...). The aircraft could have been grabbed by the device and brought in [violently] and [released] at 100-1000 feet, enhancing the survival chances. The pattern could have been large enough for the small twin, but not large enough for the airliner, breaking it into pieces, and bringing them in separately. Those wandering interference patterns and biological effects could be the "sickness", and conceivably mess with Charlie's memories and personality like electro-shock. If so, then the Pearl may have been ensuring that more susceptible folks are swapped out early. There may have been only a [basket] to catch the tubes for collection anyway...

v/r,
C-F

Cannon:

Where are you getting stationed?

Tagged, lest [the infamous they] change it again :) Fort Bliss / White Sands Missile Rangev/r,
C-F

I just started watching Lost, and wanted to know if the summer rebroadcast is definitely sequential. Also, does anyone know if ABC has any intention of running a season 2 marathon?

Great show BTW, I watched the first season, and the the first two eps of the second season in two weekends.

I just started watching Lost, and wanted to know if the summer rebroadcast is definitely sequential. Also, does anyone know if ABC has any intention of running a season 2 marathon?

Great show BTW, I watched the first season, and the the first two eps of the second season in two weekends.

So far it's sequential, but it won't be complete anyway. There aren't enough Wednesday's to show all 20+ episodes before the new season starts in September.

Tagged, lest [the infamous they] change it again :) Fort Bliss / White Sands Missile Rangev/r,
C-F

Crap, if our info is up-to-date, you'll be losing DD5.1 on Lost (and all ABC programming).

Something tells me the Army doesn't factor in those important issues. ;)

So far it's sequential, but it won't be complete anyway. There aren't enough Wednesday's to show all 20+ episodes before the new season starts in September.

Ah...so how do they handle that? What did they do for the first season? Did they just run as many as they could, or did they drop "filler" episodes and only air the high impact ones? I'd rather they just show them in order until the DVD is released.

I believe that after ABC finishes burning off CiC (last ep is this week) they may begin showing 2 episodes on Wednesday nights. At least that's what it looks like for next week. If they did that all summer, they could play the whole season through, like Fox is rerunning 24 on Friday nights this summer.

Edit: Judging by the summer schedule posted over at the futon critic, that appears to be the plan, but of course the network could change that schedule at anytime.
http://www.thefutoncritic.com/charts.aspx?id=summer_2006

Thanks! It's hard finding information on this show without running into spoilers. I can deal with a 2 hour Lost each week :D

So far it's sequential, but it won't be complete anyway. There aren't enough Wednesday's to show all 20+ episodes before the new season starts in September.

Personally, I don't know why they even bother.

Personally, I don't know why they even bother.

I'm sure even reruns are a ratings boon in the TV starved summer season.

Personally, I don't know why they even bother.

I am glad they rerun the season. I was able to try out Lost last summer after skipping it during the fall and winter. There are a lot of people who have may have lost track with the show.

I am glad they rerun the season. I was able to try out Lost last summer after skipping it during the fall and winter. There are a lot of people who have may have lost track with the show.

But do they show the entire season in order? Seems to me they jump around and don't show a lot of episodes.

So far it's sequential, but it won't be complete anyway. There aren't enough Wednesday's to show all 20+ episodes before the new season starts in September.
Yeah, they should be showing 2 every Wednesday like Fox is doing for their shows (24 and House are showing 2 episodes a week).

So, I was watching the repeat of "Orientation" tonight and noticed something that I don't remember being mentioned here before (albeit, I am new to the forum and have only read the last few hundred pages backwards in trying to catch up)....

When Jack demands that Desmond tell him the story of how he ended up in the hatch, he says something to the effect of "... race around the world, boat crashed... Kelvin comes running out of the jungle, rushes me back to the hatch "hurry, hurry", when we get there the alarm is already sounding...he types the numbers in the computer and says "just saving the world brother"....

After having recently seen the Season 2 finale, the hole in his story stuck out like a sore thumb... we definitely saw Kelvin in the radioactive suit dragging an all but unconscious Desmond off the beach, through the jungle and to the hatch...

So why the change in the story to Jack and Locke?

I apologize if I missed someone mentioning this.....

So, I was watching the repeat of "Orientation" tonight and noticed something that I don't remember being mentioned here before (albeit, I am new to the forum and have only read the last few hundred pages backwards in trying to catch up)....

When Jack demands that Desmond tell him the story of how he ended up in the hatch, he says something to the effect of "... race around the world, boat crashed... Kelvin comes running out of the jungle, rushes me back to the hatch "hurry, hurry", when we get there the alarm is already sounding...he types the numbers in the computer and says "just saving the world brother"....

After having recently seen the Season 2 finale, the hole in his story stuck out like a sore thumb... we definitely saw Kelvin in the radioactive suit dragging an all but unconscious Desmond off the beach, through the jungle and to the hatch...

So why the change in the story to Jack and Locke?

I apologize if I missed someone mentioning this.....

what hole? he described it just like it happened...

what hole? he described it just like it happened...

The part where he describes Kelvin running out to the beach and the two of them running back to the hatch while Kelvin is saying "hurry, hurry"... Then he mentions the alarm sounding as they come in the hatch and Kelvin punches in the numbers...

From the finale, Desmond is dragged back to the hatch half-unconscious and only after he comes to does he see Kelvin punching in the numbers...

Sorry for not being more specific in the original post...

I see no incongruities. Desmond never mentions himself running, and was just relaying the story the way it was told to him by Kelvin. Desmond has some memories of what happened, but he had just suffered a traumatic event and was relying on Kelvin to fill in the blanks.

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Yeah, they should be showing 2 every Wednesday like Fox is doing for their shows (24 and House are showing 2 episodes a week).

I hope they start showing two every week or something, so we get the complete run. I watched Season 2 like everyone else, but since they're rerunning it, I've decided to record it via firewire (I have the Comcast 6200 STB). I know the DVDs will be out, but I've thought it would be cool to have the whole season in 1280x720 resolution. I didn't think about them finishing in time for the fall premiere! Could throw a major kink in my master plan.

That's an interesting incongruity with Desmond's version of events. I think it's just a mistake on the producer's part though, and not anything conspiratorial from Desmond.

Glad to see some action in this thread. It had gotten dead there for awhile.

Article on nanotechnology in National Geographic (I think it's the June issue).

...he types the numbers in the computer and says "just saving the world brother"...[/B].


Watching it as a repeat has had the same effect as watching it the first time: I have started calling people 'brother', like Desmond does. It just rolls off the tongue.
LOL, it's hard to stop doing it. :rolleyes:

Watching it as a repeat has had the same effect as watching it the first time: I have started calling people 'brother', like Desmond does. It just rolls off the tongue.
LOL, it's hard to stop doing it. :rolleyes:

Yeah, for clarification, I messed up that part.... he doesn't actually say "brother" at that point...

Anyone else notice that they edited the rerun so that the closeup of the picture of Desmond and girlfriend is the same as the one in the finale?

Nice attention to detail.

Watching it as a repeat has had the same effect as watching it the first time: I have started calling people 'brother', like Desmond does. It just rolls off the tongue.
LOL, it's hard to stop doing it. :rolleyes:Agreed, can't wait to see how it all turns out next season "brother." ;)

Agreed, can't wait to see how it all turns out next season "brother." ;)

A good character that I hope survived somehow, but story arc wise, it'll make sense if he didn't.

I hope they start showing two every week or something, so we get the complete run. I watched Season 2 like everyone else, but since they're rerunning it, I've decided to record it via firewire (I have the Comcast 6200 STB). I know the DVDs will be out, but I've thought it would be cool to have the whole season in 1280x720 resolution. I didn't think about them finishing in time for the fall premiere! Could throw a major kink in my master plan.
It does, in fact, appear that they will show 2 episodes a week starting this Wednesday :D

A good character that I hope survived somehow, but story arc wise, it'll make sense if he didn't.Given Locke was on the floor directly above Desmond... I'll bet both survive... and become one of those BIG four toed thingy's. :D

Lost Complete Second Season Release Date: 9/5/2006

The thing regarding Locke and Desmond's survival, was it exposion or an electromagnetic 'burst' that threw the hatch about a mile into the air? They might survive an electromagnetic event, but if that was an explosion than 'Lost' is a few characters smaller :(
I hate to see Locke be wrong. I really dug his whole mojo of being the guy who seems to exist and think on a whole other plane of existance. It was rough seeing him come apart a bit and show some chinks in the armor toward the end of this season.

I complain like everyone else about 'Lost's flaws (scheduling, all over the map at times) but man O' man few shows evoke emotion like Lost. I seriously hate, I mean HATE, the Others. I screamed out loud with joy when Sawyer managed to hit one on the riverbank (last episode of Season 2).
I would love to have Lost erased from my memory, just to start it all over again, just to go through the excitement and bewilderment starting in Season 1, with 'What the hell is that sound, and why are there polar bears???'. I'm actually nostalgic for Season 1--in a good way, not a knock on Season 2.

"Lost" is one of the most thought provoking shows ever created with many plot twists and varied story lines... not to mention the "eye candy" factor (well except Hurley :D ) and stunning scenery. It's definitely a much better show than Joey. :eek:

...It's definitely a much better show than Joey. :eek:

I take it that was supposed to be a, uh, compliment?

Some ongoing developments in the web game have now revealed some details and date of the Black Rock and also apparently the timeframe that Magnus Hanso lived/died. You may recall mention of him from the blast door map, and speculation was that he was a contemporary brother of Alvar, but apparently this is not the case.

Lost Complete Second Season Release Date: 9/5/2006

Thats for the DVD, of course. Also includes umpteen hours of extras, none of which answers any questions, I'm sure.

Once again, no Spanish, so I'll be purchasing it in TJ. For some reason they include the Spanish track on the zone 4 discs but not on zone 1. :confused:

Some ongoing developments in the web game have now revealed some details and date of the Black Rock and also apparently the timeframe that Magnus Hanso lived/died. You may recall mention of him from the blast door map, and speculation was that he was a contemporary brother of Alvar, but apparently this is not the case.

I haven't checked InsidetheExperience in a few hours, but where did you hear there was details on the date of the Black Rock? I know they were talking about how McInteryre was searching for information on slave ships but did they actually mention the Black Rock anywhere in-game? or are people just making inferences?

http://nctrnlbst-lost-n-found.blogspot.com/

Scroll down to the Rachel Blake info, then keep scrolling down till you see the ship pictures.

ah yes...I think they took them down, cuz I don't see them on stophanso.rachelblake.com

They aren't shown directly on her blog. The links to them are at the bottom of her 2nd post.

ah ok...I did see that but didn't put 2 and 2 together....i got what you're saying now...

9/05 Second Season DVD release date? I really wish they'd get it out end of July at the latest, maybe first week of August. Give us time to watch, pour over the details, and get our ducks in a row for Season 3--which I assume premieres in September.

I believe that after ABC finishes burning off CiC (last ep is this week) they may begin showing 2 episodes on Wednesday nights.

So I'm finally caught up reading all the posts since the finale. :) :)

Although I just had to add that the first time I read this I read "CiC" as Charles in Charge. :p


tim

They are on episode 6 currently...looks like they're going to play them all...

Anybody know how to speak Korean? (http://au.i1.yimg.com/au.yimg.com/i/tv/lost/gallery/mischief/utrans_late.mp3)

Translation needed to English :)

I saw Ana Lucia Cortez (a.k.a. Michelle Rodriguez) on a repeat episode :rolleyes: of a repeat episode :rolleyes: :rolleyes: of an episode of Lost :D last night... :eek:

Damn I miss that girl in her "low-cut" jeans. :(

yes we all miss her low cut jeans, and emotionless stilted 'acting'... so glad they killed her off.

Did anyone else's HD feed get really dark about half way into the episode? It was specifically when Ana shoved the spear into Goodwin. It was so bad that I had to switch over to the SD feed just so I could make out who was actually on the screen.

Did anyone else's HD feed get really dark about half way into the episode? It was specifically when Ana shoved the spear into Goodwin. It was so bad that I had to switch over to the SD feed just so I could make out who was actually on the screen.

Happened here to me to. Must have been a local thing - the local affiliate has been having issues with its decoders.

yes we all miss her low cut jeans, and emotionless stilted 'acting'... so glad they killed her off.If you can call a bunch of "beautiful" people spitting back one liners acting... :rolleyes:

If you want to see actors... watch HBOs Deadwood. ;)

If you can call a bunch of "beautiful" people spitting back one liners acting... :rolleyes:

If you want to see actors... watch HBOs Deadwood. ;)

Got it. Soliloquy = acting and actors must be ugly. Thanks. ;)

Got it. Soliloquy = acting and actors must be ugly. Thanks. ;)OK, so you like your reflection. Keep waiting tables until that BIG break comes along.

They really do need to release the DVD's at least one full month before the start of the next season. Last year I watched LOST on DVD for the first time and was so hooked I blasted through it in three days. But by then the second season was onto episode 3 or 4, so I was forced to wait until LAST WEEK to watch Season 2!

Why? Because I had to wait for the repeats to record those first episodes to D-VHS. So I spent much of the last week watching Lost S2 and I really enjoyed it. Next season I will be able to watch from the start, thank God.

Can anyone post full HD screenshots of Yoon-jin Kim (Sun)? Damn she is smoking hot, but the only images I can get online are really small. Only a few larger ones are available. There were times in both season 1 and 2 where she looked like a painting she was so beautiful.

P.S. I still need season 1 on D-VHS. ;) ;)

It's funny, I didn't think she was particularly attractive at first, then she really grew on me.
I might be able to find something, I've been recording Lost as 1280x720 on my PC.

Also, I *really* agree with you regarding the timing of the DVD release. We need a month to rewatch the season, totally pick up on the clues again (or notice the ones you missed the first time) to be up to speed when Season 3 starts.

This year they have to change the way they air the show. If they air it in the patchwork fashion that they did last year, they can kiss it goodbye.

That would be great if you can do that. Thanks. :)

ABC announced that they will air Season 3 without repeats, ala Fox's 24. The season will start late, go right through, then go off the air a few months and return with straight episodes. Now THAT is the way to go.

The DVD's really need to come out earlier to allow people who are new to the show to catch up. Had the show been out on DVD a month earlier I would have been able to watch Season 2 as it aired. Instead I had to wait until this month and watch it as a marathon and in doing so I skipped all the commercials.

Well, I skiped season one when it aired. It sounded dumb. But then I heard so much about it that I rented it on DVD and watched the whole thing b4 season 2 began.

I thought season three starts the last week of September or first week of Oct.? Thats plenty of time to watch the DVD's.

If you can call a bunch of "beautiful" people spitting back one liners acting... :rolleyes:

If you want to see actors... watch HBOs Deadwood. ;)


ok, i'll give you that, but still, can we agree she was the worst of all the 'actors'? seriously, she has no range. at all. she is good at acting 100% constipated all the time. like i said, they killed her off, i'm happy. but then again i dont really watch lost for the acting, as much as i do for the plot development.

And I'll give you this... "Lost" has been my favorite show since its debut during the fall of 05'. ;)

Only 7 or 8 episodes in the fall (straight through) - then another continuous run of all remaining episodes that ends in May sweeps.

And I'll give you this... "Lost" has been my favorite show since its debut during the fall of 05'. ;)Op, it sounds like you may have missed the entire first season ;).


ron

The thing regarding Locke and Desmond's survival, was it exposion or an electromagnetic 'burst' that threw the hatch about a mile into the air? They might survive an electromagnetic event, but if that was an explosion than 'Lost' is a few characters smaller :(One thing I got from the repeats is that the hatch was only a half mile from the beach. I would think an explosion would have caused the ground to shake at the beach more. The other thing was that Desmond was only gone for 2 1/2 weeks, which I guess would be the time frame for season 2. Season 1 was like 44 days?

I'm sure this was covered in this thread somewhere in the last few hundred posts, but I'm too lazy to look through them all if I've been away for any amount of time.

Op, it sounds like you may have missed the entire first season ;).


ronoops... 04'. :o

Based on the web game stuff so far, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess a couple of things about most of season 3:

(1) It seems possible they may jump ahead in time to the current 2006-ish time. The web game events are happening here in 2006 from what I can tell, and assuming they will eventually tie at least somewhat into the show, then the show is going to have to move faster ahead in time than it has in the past two seasons. Plus, they need to solve the "Walt problem".

(2) Based both on the end of season 2 and the web game events where Hanso Foundation folks seem to be equipping themselves and some ships for a journey to an island, I would say to expect to have some interaction with the outside world in season 3.

It's possible one or both of these might make for a good cliffhanger in episode 7 of season 3 as they take a longish break.

Based on the web game stuff so far, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess a couple of things about most of season 3:

(1) It seems possible they may jump ahead in time to the current 2006-ish time. The web game events are happening here in 2006 from what I can tell, and assuming they will eventually tie at least somewhat into the show, then the show is going to have to move faster ahead in time than it has in the past two seasons. Plus, they need to solve the "Walt problem".

(2) Based both on the end of season 2 and the web game events where Hanso Foundation folks seem to be equipping themselves and some ships for a journey to an island, I would say to expect to have some interaction with the outside world in season 3.

It's possible one or both of these might make for a good cliffhanger in episode 7 of season 3 as they take a longish break.

too bad the game has grinded to a halt over the weekend....it had some great momentum and was really going somewhere...no I can't tell where its headed...guess GidgetGirl will probably disclose Mittelwerk's new location and Blake will go there, or at least, that seems to be the pattern...the problem with the game and the show intertwining is that Lost is supposed to be a fictional TV in the alternative reality, meaning, Lost isn't simulataneously showing whats happening on the island as the stuff in the ARG is taking place...you get what I mean?

9/05 Second Season DVD release date? I really wish they'd get it out end of July at the latest, maybe first week of August. Give us time to watch, pour over the details, and get our ducks in a row for Season 3--which I assume premieres in September.

A pretty ruthless sales tactic to force people to buy the set. With that little time you won't be able to watch the series and give it to Aunt Myrtle before the next season starts. Kind of short sighted in my opinion as they would likely get better live ratings if they gave people a better chance to catch up.

A pretty ruthless sales tactic to force people to buy the set. With that little time you won't be able to watch the series and give it to Aunt Myrtle before the next season starts. Kind of short sighted in my opinion as they would likely get better live ratings if they gave people a better chance to catch up.

I agree 100%. Short-sighted is the word, alright. The whole point should be to get new viewers to sample the series in time to drive them to ABC-TV where the bulk of the money is made, but these late DVD release dates make that more unlikely. Instead they're apparently more worried about Aunt Myrtle. :rolleyes:

You just have to wonder if any of the boneheads responsible for decisions like that ever went to business school...?

You don't think it might take a bit of time to produce a DVD set, including extras, commentaries, etc? Also, wouldn't a "new" viewer want to start with season 1?

You don't think it might take a bit of time to produce a DVD set, including extras, commentaries, etc? Also, wouldn't a "new" viewer want to start with season 1?

Well sure, but the delay in getting these out has nothing to do with that, IMO. If they wanted to, they could get a DVD set out by the middle of the summer and people would get a chance to catch up before the new season starts.

As to your second question, the season 1 DVD set has been out for a year (but they did the same thing last year); presumably anyone wanting to start "fresh" with the third season would have plenty of time to see that set. Not so for season 2, so ABC has lost those potential eyeballs (as well as anyone they might have been able to turn on to the show). Makes little sense, as others have also pointed out.

As you say, that's your opinion.

I skipped Season one, rented the DVD's and had time to watch them all b4 season 2 began. Personally, I'd prefer they take their time and do a good job on the DVD's rather than rush them out on the chance they might get new fans.

Season two is availale at Itunes and ABC.com right now.

As you say, that's your opinion.

I skipped Season one, rented the DVD's and had time to watch them all b4 season 2 began. Personally, I'd prefer they take their time and do a good job on the DVD's rather than rush them out on the chance they might get new fans.

This TV series DVD industry is approaching maturity now; surely they have the resources to get a solid DVD set out now basically whenever they want. That argument doesn't hold water, again, IMO.

Season two is availale at Itunes and ABC.com right now.

And who would want to watch TV that way? I know this is a new business model and somebody's doing that sort of thing or the option wouldn't exist, but nobody I know does it unless they just happened to miss a particular episode - sort of an "emergency" viewing. Watching a whole season on a computer screen or, especially, an iPod would seem to be the video equivalent of pulling your nails out. Certainly, 'such's' Aunt Myrtle ain't going to be watching 'em that way.

They managed to get the Season 1 DVDs out weeks ahead of Season 2's opening, as I recollect. I could be wrong.

They managed to get the Season 1 DVDs out weeks ahead of Season 2's opening, as I recollect. I could be wrong.

Seems to me, because we had this same discussion last year, that the S1 DVD set was released so close to the season opener, within 2 or 3 weeks, that many people who would have watched it so that they could start fresh with S2 simply did not have enough time to get through 22 hours of LOST before the next season started. I personally know 2 couples who were in that boat. They did not watch S2 on ABC, are now waiting for the S2 set, won't be tuning into ABC on Wednesday nights, and are effectively "a year behind". One would expect there to be quite a large number of such folks, and the laws of probability suggest that a certain percentage of them will be "Nielsen families".

This is a good business decision? Not from where I sit.

This TV series DVD industry is approaching maturity now; surely they have the resources to get a solid DVD set out now basically whenever they want. That argument doesn't hold water, again, IMO.



And who would want to watch TV that way? I know this is a new business model and somebody's doing that sort of thing or the option wouldn't exist, but nobody I know does it unless they just happened to miss a particular episode - sort of an "emergency" viewing. Watching a whole season on a computer screen or, especially, an iPod would seem to be the video equivalent of pulling your nails out. Certainly, 'such's' Aunt Myrtle ain't going to be watching 'em that way.
Especially when said videos aren't even VHS quality (they are blocky as hell even at their native res). The ABC.com videos are slightly better than the iTunes, but not by much.

It's times like this I'm glad I've got a HDTV capture card :D

Seems to me, because we had this same discussion last year, that the S1 DVD set was released so close to the season opener, within 2 or 3 weeks, that many people who would have watched it so that they could start fresh with S2 simply did not have enough time to get through 22 hours of LOST before the next season started. I personally know 2 couples who were in that boat. They did not watch S2 on ABC, are now waiting for the S2 set, won't be tuning into ABC on Wednesday nights, and are effectively "a year behind". One would expect there to be quite a large number of such folks, and the laws of probability suggest that a certain percentage of them will be "Nielsen families".

This is a good business decision? Not from where I sit.


I agree.

Right now, I've finally sold Lost to my sister enought that she really wants to get into it and catch up in time to be on board when season 3 starts.

Short of some crazy marathon sessions and $40-$50 a pop for the Lost sets on DVD...not sure how to get it done right...

S1 isn't the problem. It would be S2, when they FINALLY get that out after needlessly sitting on it and dragging their feet.


There's really no reason for them to be sitting on the S2 DVD set for that long. The whole summer?

The summer would be the IDEAL time to release something like that, for any of these shows.

That's simply the new paradigm, along with Tivo and DVR, and they need to get with the program.

Being smart about this can only assure them increasing viewership, in the long run.

As is...stupidity and being out of touch continue to be the rule of thumb.

they do offer them for download but agreed it's STUPID to delay these releases. (it's not just Lost it's most TV seasons).

they should have had them for sale a week after the S2 finale with extras and other stuff to get impuse purchases.

they do offer them for download but agreed it's STUPID to delay these releases. (it's not just Lost it's most TV seasons).

I'll look into that further.



they should have had them for sale a week after the S2 finale with extras and other stuff to get impuse purchases.

Agreed 100 percent.

Or even a month or so later. I understand that it takes some time to get a quality package thrown together, and that's fine.

But waiting until practically the start of the next season, MONTHS later...makes zero sense.

The timing of the DVD release makes perfect sense. They want you to watch the Season 2 reruns during the summer, with the accompanying commercials. If you had access to Season 2 on DVD right now, would you watch the reruns? Of course not!

- Gary

The timing of the DVD release makes perfect sense. They want you to watch the Season 2 reruns during the summer, with the accompanying commercials. If you had access to Season 2 on DVD right now, would you watch the reruns? Of course not!

- Gary

I just wonder how much difference the profit from advertising is when compared to DVD sales...I'm guessing its pretty great

The timing of the DVD release makes perfect sense. They want you to watch the Season 2 reruns during the summer, with the accompanying commercials. If you had access to Season 2 on DVD right now, would you watch the reruns? Of course not!

- Gary

Apparently, from the summer-rerun ratings which have been abysmal, nobody is watching anyway. So they might as well release their DVD sets in early-to-mid-summer and try to drive potential new viewers to ABC Wednesdays in the fall!

It's so simple and they're making it so hard. :rolleyes:

The timing of the DVD release makes perfect sense. They want you to watch the Season 2 reruns during the summer, with the accompanying commercials. If you had access to Season 2 on DVD right now, would you watch the reruns? Of course not!

Also, the Season 2 DVD release is timed to promote Season 3 on broadcast. If they release it too far in advance, people will forget about the show again by the time the new season starts.

HELP! I haven’t watched Lost or read any of this thread. I can buy Season 1 on e-bay cheaper than I can rent it. From what I’ve been reading, it appears Season 2 isn’t all that great. That may be subjective, but before I delve into this I want to make sure I’m not wasting my time and money on a series that went sharply down hill and might be in the ditch in Season 3. What has been the overall consensus on Season 2, and should I take the plunge for about $30? Thanks.

people "watching reruns" equals not the potential DVD buyer.

different market

they dont even "rerun" every episode

it's just old-school stupidity & rigidity (right on par for ABC/Disney)


ps - watch season 1 then season 2 then season 3.

Also, the Season 2 DVD release is timed to promote Season 3 on broadcast. If they release it too far in advance, people will forget about the show again by the time the new season starts.
ROTF.

did you read and digest what you posted. :)

From what I’ve been reading, it appears Season 2 isn’t all that great. That may be subjective, but before I delve into this I want to make sure I’m not wasting my time and money on a series that went sharply down hill and might be in the ditch in Season 3. What has been the overall consensus on Season 2, and should I take the plunge for about $30? Thanks.

Don't believe the hateuhs, Dude. Season 2 was just as intriguing, fascinating, mesmerizing, puzzling, occasionally maddening, and always as entertaining as S1. It was a bit different, but in a good way. The writers are not just winging it ala '24'; they've thought things out very carefully and "they have a plan". If this show isn't the very best thing on TV, it's certainly in the top 3. (My top 3, FWIW, are LOST, BSG, & Deadwood, not necessarily in that order.)

Aliens, with this particular show you'll need to watch all the episodes or you will be somewhat lost in many of the storylines. IOW, in my opinion, you need to see every episode to understand the show and get the most out of it.

archiguy, have you seen Brotherhood yet? Good stuff and has a lot of potential.

Aliens, with this particular show you'll need to watch all the episodes or you will be somewhat lost in many of the storylines. IOW, in my opinion, you need to see every episode to understand the show and get the most out of it.

True, dat. There's stuff in the first episode of S1 that doesn't "pay off" until midway thru S2...! Don't worry, it's worth it. ;) With LOST, it's more about the journey than the destination.

archiguy, have you seen Brotherhood yet? Good stuff and has a lot of potential.

It's in the DVR queue, Jim; might catch it tonight but it will probably have to wait 'till the weekend. Looking forward to it as there are only 2 series I'm keeping up with this summer - 'The 4400' (which just gets better and better - funny how nobody's talking about it here on AVS) and the incomparable 'Deadwood', so I've got time for another one.

Looking forward to it as there are only 2 series I'm keeping up with this summer - 'The 4400' (which just gets better and better - funny how nobody's talking about it here on AVS)
Well, now there's two of us talking about it. :p

The last 2-3 episodes have been really good, certainly have me guessing, is there a thread for The 4400, I have a question about Matthew..?

Well, now there's two of us talking about it. :p

The last 2-3 episodes have been really good, certainly have me guessing, is there a thread for The 4400, I have a question about Matthew..?

I think...... wait for it...... He's dead, Jim. (Always wanted to say that in my best "Bones McCoy" voice. :D )

No thread for 'The 4400' that I've seen either here in the programming forum (granted it's not an HDTV show here in the States, although the Aussies get to watch it that way, lucky blokes) or in that backwater cable TV forum that the main 'BSG' thread got banished to.

I think...... wait for it...... He's dead, Jim. (Always wanted to say that in my best "Bones McCoy" voice. :D )

No thread for 'The 4400' that I've seen either here in the programming forum (granted it's not an HDTV show here in the States, although the Aussies get to watch it that way, lucky blokes) or in that backwater cable TV forum that the main 'BSG' thread got banished to.
Shucks, I knew that... :p

He seemed to know an awful lot about why The 4400 were there and specifically about Isabelle, it was implied that he had info that could only have come from the "others'... :p (see how I tied that into the Lost thread. :D )

Shucks, I knew that... :p

He seemed to know an awful lot about why The 4400 were there and specifically about Isabelle, it was implied that he had info that could only have come from the "others'... :p (see how I tied that into the Lost thread. :D )

I think he was an agent (on the "bad guys" side) sent from the future to sabotage the 4400's efforts to stave off the coming global disaster. Remember when he commented, on learning that Jordan was still alive, "we expected that".

I tried to tie that back into LOST and couldn't do it. ;) What the heck; it's the summer.

I think he was an agent (on the "bad guys" side) sent from the future to sabotage the 4400's efforts to stave off the coming global disaster. Remember when he commented, on learning that Jordan was still alive, "we expected that".

I tried to tie that back into LOST and couldn't do it. ;) What the heck; it's the summer.
Okay, I'll buy that, it would make everything fit better....and yeah, it's summer, what the heck... :p

IMHO Lost has two phases. Episodes 1 - 6 and then everything after. Those first 6 episodes are among the best I have ever seen on television. After that it ranges from not bad to damn good. I'll be tuning in for season 3, no doubt.

'The 4400' (which just gets better and better - funny how nobody's talking about it here on AVS

It's not an HDTV show, so it's not discussed in the HDTV forum.

I like The 4400, but it's generally stiff acting and dialogue keep it from greatness.

It's not an HDTV show.....

It is in Australia! :)

And I disagree, for the most part, with your assessment of wooden acting. I quite like the major characters' performances, although some of the minor characters could be guilty of a little stiffness from time to time, as on most basic-cable shows.

It's not great in the acting department, in fact, the actress who plays Isabelle is not very good at all IMO, but the show does have a fresh or different premise, and they seem to keep the plot twists coming so it keeps me entertained.

Continuing the discussion of the 4400 (as I also love the show as my guilty little Summer pleasure)...I was thinking, wouldn't it be truly cool if Mathew was telling the truth? And the 4400 were really the problem with future...I dunno...I really like the idea but I hear this is the last season...tis a shame

Continuing the discussion of the 4400 (as I also love the show as my guilty little Summer pleasure)...I was thinking, wouldn't it be truly cool if Mathew was telling the truth? And the 4400 were really the problem with future...I dunno...I really like the idea but I hear this is the last season...tis a shame

Actually, I was thinking the same thing. They might just keep us guessing as to whether the 4400 are actually good...or not. :eek:

Are you sure about this being the last season? I hadn't heard that, and agree that would be a shame. Seems like this show is just now really starting to hit its stride. But it doesn't seem to have much "buzz"....

Tonight: A repeat, of a repeat, of a recap episode.

new Hanso commercial during the last commercial break though....the ARG introduces the viewers to Dr. (still not known what his doctorate is in) Thomas Mittlewerk...heh i t was a pretty cool commercial

Tonight: A repeat, of a repeat, of a recap episode.I can't wait to see it on DVD. :D

I just wanted to jump in on the S2 DVD discussion. Not releasing the DVD drove me to illegally download two episodes of Lost. I saw an episode near the end of S2 and really liked it, so I netflixed S1. After watching them over a month or so, I planned on getting S2 and watching it before S3. When I found out that I would only have a couple of weeks between the release of S2 and the start of S3, I ruled out that option and turned to the Wed. night re-runs.

Here, I find out that the re-runs have already started, and I'm two episodes off. I can't miss the season premiere, so I turn to Comcast "On Demand". That's what this feature if for right? HBO has all of it's programs, but NOTHING from ABC. Okay well I heard something about seeing you're favorite ABC shows at ABC.com.

Yep, you can watch five random episodes at ABC.com...GREAT! WTF good will that do me? None of the episodes available were the first two that I needed.

Last resort, I go to check out the i-tunes store. $1.99/ep. not too bad, I register with apple wallet or whatever, and go to download it and see that it's only like 50 megs or something. How small is this video? Oh i-pod size whoo hoo. That will really look great when I hook the laptop up to my TV and watch it on a 42" screen with the wife!! Not.

So I finally broke down and saw it the old fashioned way. The wide world of pirated video. Took a couple of minutes to get the downloads started and the next day I saw the two episodes that I missed. I am now on track and watching the broadcasted re-runs.

Why do they have to make it so hard to give them money either real, or sponsored?

I just wanted to jump in on the S2 DVD discussion. Not releasing the DVD drove me to illegally download two episodes of Lost. I saw an episode near the end of S2 and really liked it, so I netflixed S1. After watching them over a month or so, I planned on getting S2 and watching it before S3. When I found out that I would only have a couple of weeks between the release of S2 and the start of S3, I ruled out that option and turned to the Wed. night re-runs.

Here, I find out that the re-runs have already started, and I'm two episodes off. I can't miss the season premiere, so I turn to Comcast "On Demand". That's what this feature if for right? HBO has all of it's programs, but NOTHING from ABC. Okay well I heard something about seeing you're favorite ABC shows at ABC.com.

Yep, you can watch five random episodes at ABC.com...GREAT! WTF good will that do me? None of the episodes available were the first two that I needed.

Last resort, I go to check out the i-tunes store. $1.99/ep. not too bad, I register with apple wallet or whatever, and go to download it and see that it's only like 50 megs or something. How small is this video? Oh i-pod size whoo hoo. That will really look great when I hook the laptop up to my TV and watch it on a 42" screen with the wife!! Not.

So I finally broke down and saw it the old fashioned way. The wide world of pirated video. Took a couple of minutes to get the downloads started and the next day I saw the two episodes that I missed. I am now on track and watching the broadcasted re-runs.

Why do they have to make it so hard to give them money either real, or sponsored?
Patience, Grasshopper. ;)

I’m buying S1 and then will sell it. Starting next week I will be recording S2, and when S2 is released in September, I will rent the first 2 discs to catch up to what I’ve recorded. I will also start recording S3 when it begins. I figure I’ve waited 2 years; I can wait 2 more months. At this point I’m glad I haven’t experienced Lost. I’ll get 2 solid weeks of S1 in July and 2 weeks of S2 in September, then on to S3. Thank you DVD and DVR! :D

Patience, Grasshopper. ;)

I’m buying S1 and then will sell it. Starting next week I will be recording S2, and when S2 is released in September, I will rent the first 2 discs to catch up to what I’ve recorded. I will also start recording S3 when it begins. I figure I’ve waited 2 years; I can wait 2 more months. At this point I’m glad I haven’t experienced Lost. I’ll get 2 solid weeks of S1 in July and 2 weeks of S2 in September, then on to S3. Thank you DVD and DVR! :D

AH...see you have the advantage of DVR. If you haven't caught up by the time S3 starts, then you have the option to record the first couple of weeks. My cable provider wasn't offering DVR at a reasonable price compared to Dish, and assured me that "On Demand" was an adequate substitute. Live and learn.

I can't wait until S3 when I'll be on track with the rest of the world and can begin to take part in the Lost discussion. It seems like the real time speculation is half the fun.

No doubt I will be recording S3 now that I have caught up. I'll never watch it live. Screw the commercials.

AH...see you have the advantage of DVR.

I feel for you. I’ve only had the thing for a year and didn’t know what I was missing. I was using a DVD recorder so that helped, but it doesn’t compare to a DVR.

No doubt I will be recording S3 now that I have caught up. I'll never watch it live. Screw the commercials.

I’m with you, Matt. It’s funny; I wont watch a major network program (not that I watch many) without recording them. Yet, I will watch Discovery, History, etc., etc., live and not record those. There are exceptions, but when I just crash on the sofa for the night I tend to put up with commercials. I think I need to train myself better, because with a TIVO or DVR you should never have to watch a live program. I have to watch most sporting events live, but beyond that I say fire that thing up. No más to commercials. :)

I have to watch most sporting events live, but beyond that I say fire that thing up. No más to commercials. :)

The last phase of DVR addiction is when you record even live sports and start the playback 30 minutes or so into the event to bypass the commercials.

The last phase of DVR addiction is when you record even live sports and start the playback 30 minutes or so into the event to bypass the commercials.Dude, is this your first time posting back since starting this discussion? So it is you we have to blame for this 500 page novel masquerading as a thread....:mad:

Actually, I've been lurking on this thread off and on but I haven't posted in a long time...yes, you can blame me if you must. :p

......I think I need to train myself better, because with a TIVO or DVR you should never have to watch a live program. I have to watch most sporting events live, but beyond that I say fire that thing up. No más to commercials. :)

I love my nifty dual-tuner HD-DVR too, but that love is coming at a price. Once DVR's are as ubiquitous in American households as toasters, sports will be the only thing anyone watches "live". And the ad rates charged by the networks for sports broadcasts will reflect that. That will be the only arena where the existing "free TV" model will likely survive. So, enjoy it while you can and get ready for a brave, new all-PPV world, 'cause that's where it's all headed. :(

Still hoping for screenshots of Yoon-jin Kim (Sun). :)

I love my nifty dual-tuner HD-DVR too, but that love is coming at a price. Once DVR's are as ubiquitous in American households as toasters, sports will be the only thing anyone watches "live". And the ad rates charged by the networks for sports broadcasts will reflect that. That will be the only arena where the existing "free TV" model will likely survive. So, enjoy it while you can and get ready for a brave, new all-PPV world, 'cause that's where it's all headed. :(
ABC is already looking at removing FF ability on it's entire family of programming channels (ABC, Disney, ESPN, etc.). They want to be ale to let viewers "timeshift" content, but not skip commercials. Rewind, pause and other features will still be in place, but not Fast Forward. They may offer their programming at lower costs to providers, if they agree to this scenario and insert this command into their flags. Since ESPN is so expensive, and advertisers are not willing to continue to pay for skipped commercials, it may be a reality much sooner than expected.

vegggas

Well, that would suck. But here's why I don't think the networks will be able to get away with it: because the end-users, the customers, won't let them get away with it. Every day, DVR penetration grows; and as it grows, people get used to full functionality. And the FF button is used not only to zip through commercials, but also to move around within the recording in large chunks of time. Disable this function, and you've lost much of the appeal of DVR's. Removing that function at this point or some point down the line would be such a blatant anti-consumer move, they'd never get away with it.

i wouldn't particular worry about DVRs unless ABC/Disney suddenly started suppling major cablecos like Comcast with FREE DVRs that mysteriously have the FF button not working. LOL.

besides, they make a hefty profit on $10/mo service fee to use a DVR and they're not going to let ABC and co. screw that up (generating hate mail, customer complaints, dropped services).

Well, that would suck. But here's why I don't think the networks will be able to get away with it: because the end-users, the customers, won't let them get away with it. Every day, DVR penetration grows; and as it grows, people get used to full functionality. And the FF button is used not only to zip through commercials, but also to move around within the recording in large chunks of time. Disable this function, and you've lost much of the appeal of DVR's. Removing that function at this point or some point down the line would be such a blatant anti-consumer move, they'd never get away with it.

I thought I heard something about being able to FF through the show but not the commercials. I don't know enough about broadcast flags to know id that is even possible, but it would allow you to use all functions for everything except skipping commercials. I will be totally bummed if/when I can't skip commercials anymore, but I don't blame the networks for implementing it. They have to answer to their sponsers, and the sponsers aren't paying for a show like Lost unless enough of us are watching the advertisements.

I don't know how it will play out, but there are three scenarios:

1. We lose our ability to FF through commercials with the DVR

2. The industry moves to the PPV scenario as mentioned above

3. Our TV shows are bombarded with in-show advertisements (Hopefully the Hanso foundation will kick in a some dough for the eyeball-space the Dharma brands have been getting on Lost)


Oh, and to keep this relevent to the Lost thread......Kate is HOT! Before AL died I was hoping she and Kate would get into a sweaty tussle of some sort. No such luck. I guess Sawyer and AL will have to do instead.

True, dat. There's stuff in the first episode of S1 that doesn't "pay off" until midway thru S2...!

Are you just throwing that out there or are you thinking of something specific. Feel free to elaborate, these eps have long since aired so no need to worry about spoilers even for our more recently initiated. :D

(Hopefully the Hanso foundation will kick in a some dough for the eyeball-space the Dharma brands have been getting on Lost)

It's hard to tell in this thread when someone is kidding or not, but either way, that's pretty funny.

On that note, I wonder what percentage of folks think the "hanso foundation" is a real entity?


Before AL died I was hoping she and Kate would get into a sweaty tussle of some sort. No such luck. I guess Sawyer and AL will have to do instead.

Dude, that's not even a remotely close second. I can think of a few other combos that are preferable...

Kate-Sun
Kate-Claire
Claire-Sun
Kate/Claire/Sun-Anonymous background lostie hottie
Kate/Claire/Sun-Alex

Don't know what their motivations would be to "tussle" but hey, this is Lost that we're talking about...they could come up with something...

Are you just throwing that out there or are you thinking of something specific. Feel free to elaborate, these eps have long since aired so no need to worry about spoilers even for our more recently initiated. :D

Well, I can think of a couple right off the bat. I'll use spoiler tags anyway for my boy Aliens, at least:

When the tail section breaks off and we see it falling away relatively intact. I believe I may have been the first on this thread to say that there would be another group of survivors in there, and that they wouldn't appear until follow-on seasons.

The black cloud "monster" being reflected in Jack's eyeball in the very first scene. We later see it (thanks to DVR's trick-play functions) swooping down, dive-bomber style and [maybe] causing an engine to explode on the beach. We don't actually see the black cloud with any degree of clarity until many episodes (S-2?) later.

I'm sure there are other examples; those two just popped into my head when I made the original post you referenced.

Kate-Sun
Kate-Claire
Claire-Sun
Kate/Claire/Sun-Anonymous background lostie hottie
Kate/Claire/Sun-Alex

Don't know what their motivations would be to "tussle" but hey, this is Lost that we're talking about...they could come up with something...I just can't picture Claire-Sun getting into a tussle with anyone. :) Except for the occasional "tongue lashing" Claire gives to Charlie or Sun to Jin. :D

Unless they find some "pillows" in a bunker... I doubt that we'll ever see a good cat fight! :(

The black cloud "monster" being reflected in Jack's eyeball in the very first scene. We later see it (thanks to DVR's trick-play functions) swooping down, dive-bomber style and [maybe] causing an engine to explode on the beach. We don't actually see the black cloud with any degree of clarity until many episodes (S-2?) later.


I thought that had been since disproven? I remember seeing a post where they showed that same scene again in closeup and there was nothing visible in Jack's eye(s).

I'll use spoiler tags anyway for my boy Aliens, at least:

:D

Thanks, archi. I found out what I needed to know, so there really isn’t any reason for me to post or check in here again, so you guys can spoil away. :)

Except for the occasional "tongue lashing" Claire gives to Charlie or Sun to Jin. :D


I'll go for the low hanging fruit here and admit that I wouldn't mind seeing any of the above mentioned girls give each other one of those. :D

I thought that had been since disproven? I remember seeing a post where they showed that same scene again in closeup and there was nothing visible in Jack's eye(s).

I'll check again tonight, Irmo, but I thought I saw it reflected in Jack's eye. Saw the "dive bomber" cloud for sure, though.

BTW, I designed a little specialty shopping center in Irmo about, oh, 20 years ago called "Murraywood Plaza". It's kinda' near Lake Murray, oddly enough. :)

BTW, I designed a little specialty shopping center in Irmo about, oh, 20 years ago called "Murraywood Plaza". It's kinda' near Lake Murray, oddly enough. :)

Pretty funny, I know the exact place. It's right across the street from my gym actually.

There's a great little restaurant there too...been there awhile...called "1,2,3's."

I'll go for the low hanging fruit here and admit that I wouldn't mind seeing any of the above mentioned girls give each other one of those. :DI'm always up for a good wet T-shirt or mud-wrestling contest too! :D

now how can they work that into an episode next season?

I'm always up for a good wet T-shirt or mud-wrestling contest too! :D

now how can they work that into an episode next season?

A flashback where Kate/AL/Shannon had mud-wrestled in a bar in Australia but didn't recognize each other because they were covered in mud?

See, it could happen. :)

I like it. :D Hopefully my wife :eek: won't see that episode next season.

it's not pretty watching a 50-year-old man drool...

A flashback where Kate/AL/Shannon had mud-wrestled in a bar in Australia but didn't recognize each other because they were covered in mud?

See, it could happen. :)


thats the special Lost episode shown exclusively on HBO and rated TV-MA right?

thats the special Lost episode shown exclusively on HBO and rated TV-MA right?

Nah, it's on the unrated DVD edition. :)

Here is the announced Season 3 premiere date:

Wednesday, October 4
9:00-10:00 p.m. “Lost”

Wednesday, November 15
9:00-10:00 p.m. “Day Break”
("Lost" will go off the air for 13 weeks for "Day Break," then return in mid-winter to air its final 16 episodes straight through.)

For those going to the San Diego Comic Con don't miss this:

Saturday, July 22:

10:30-12:00 Lost: Season 3— You won't want to miss this panel with Jorge Garcia (Hugo "Hurley" Reyes) and Daniel Dae Kim (Jin-Soo Kwon) from the cast of ABC's hit show Lost as they are joined by co-creator/executive producer Damon Lindelof and executive producers Bryan Burk and Carlton Cuse to discuss the new season of Lost. They'll preview excerpts from the Lost Season 2 DVD box set, take questions from the audience, and perhaps even offer some surprises! Room 20

so basically record the first 6 in fall, watch them a few days before it comes back in mid-winter, and watch 22 straight thru

Yeah, right...as if any of us could wait that long...

Kudos to the Lost guys for doing it this way...this is preferable to waiting until January to start them all...

thats the special Lost episode shown exclusively on HBO and rated TV-MA right?Not this episode... remember?

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