I was there! I saw it! You guys will be absolutely SHOCKED come wednesday. :cool:


ron

Good shocked or bad shocked?

LOST Shocked.

R11, you were in Waikiki and saw the preview? You bastard. :p

I would just be happy to be in Waikiki OR see the premiere. R11 got to do BOTH.

2 more days!

I can only tell you guys that it involves a major character and YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE IT! :eek:


ron

I can only tell you guys that it involves a major character and YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE IT! :eek:


ron

OK. Enough said. Thank you.

I can only tell you guys that it involves a major character and YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE IT! :eek:


ron

No spoiler there. Doesn't that basically describe every episode of LOST? :D

I just hope they don't kill somebody off right off the bat. That's what sweeps are for.

OK. Enough said. Thank you.You mean you don't want to hear about it? It wasn't really Michael that came back to camp and shot Ana-Lucia and Libby. It as his EVIL NANO-ROBOT TWIN!


ron

You mean you don't want to hear about it? It wasn't really Michael that came back to camp and shot Ana-Lucia and Libby. It as his EVIL NANO-ROBOT TWIN!


ron
Or is the Nano-robot twin the good one? ;)

I can only tell you guys that it involves a major character and YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE IT! :eek: Probably the latest cast member who was arrested.

From Entertainment Weekly online:

It's here.

Finally.

IN MY OFFICE.

The season premiere of Lost.

I have watched it. TWICE.

What can I tell you?

For starters, the first five minutes = pure Lost genius.

The rest of it is pretty damn good, too.

Or is the Nano-robot twin the good one? ;)Ahh, that remains to be seen! Oh yeah, I forgot to mention. I was PARTYING WITH KATE AND CHARLIE, and after a while Kate suggested we ditch the Hobbit and, well, you know. Apparently she's into middle aged guys with greying hair (what's left of it anyway). GOOD TIMES in Waikiki....





PS: On a more serious note, I read/heard somewhere else that the opening of the first EP is supposedly pretty captivating.



ron

I just checked iTunes, and no podcast of the season opener. What gives? Last season Carlton and Damon had a podcast before every new episode.

Oh well. Just over one day to go. Can't wait. I'm gonna test my DVD-Recorder tonight just to make sure all is working properly. ;)

And, now I've got to budget in a hour/wk to reading this thread again!

One other note: the season finale of LOST is available to watch as a stream on abc.com, as well as the Season 1/2 recap shown last week.

I just checked iTunes, and no podcast of the season opener. What gives? Last season Carlton and Damon had a podcast before every new episode.


You were expecting a spoiler-filled podcast before the season opener when ABC has done everything in their power to keep things under wraps before tomorrow night? You gotta' be kidding.... :eek:

Last season Carlton and Damon had a podcast before every new episode.

I thought they did a weekly podcast after each episode. ;) Ahhhh.

I thought they did a weekly podcast after each episode. ;) Ahhhh.
Doh! Not looking for spoilers, but come to think of it, each podcast did talk about the previous episode. :o

Well, they could have at least aired a podcast and talked about the recap show last Wednesday. That was new (kind of). They could have said what a great two seasons it has been so far. Almost get to giving away a spoiler but then not doing it. OK, I'm an idiot. I'll be looking for the podcast next week.

As for the season premiere, T-minus 27 hours and counting!

Tonight is the BIG night! Woo-hoo! :)

Woo-hoo! Biggest Loser is on NBC at 8pm CT. Can't wait! I wonder if there is anything else on TV tonight? :p

Actually I think NBC will be the biggest loser tonight. They'll be lost and bombed by the competition.

Meanwhile it's Dancing With The Losties tonight. DWTS tends to go over so make sure to add a few min for PVRs on Lost.

Actually I think NBC will be the biggest loser tonight. They'll be lost and bombed by the competition.

Meanwhile it's Dancing With The Losties tonight. DWTS tends to go over so make sure to add a few min for PVRs on Lost.


Thanks for the tip! I'm recording The Nine immediately after, so I'll just make sure to pad the end of that as well.

I've avoided this forum for the summer in order to recharge my LOST batteries. I'm totally ready for this season to kick off!

Meanwhile it's Dancing With The Losties tonight.

Funny you should mention that, because my new revised theory is that the Others are trying to recruit people for a reality dancing show.


Isn't it funny how nobody claims to have a big theory on how everything fits together anymore? All we can do is postulate minor theories that only attempt to explain a fraction of what is going on (at least not the whole storyline, anyway). If you try to piece everything together in a neat little package that fits perfectly, your head might explode. It will be interesting to see if the writers can do it.

5 hours yippie!!!

Isn't it funny how nobody claims to have a big theory on how everything fits together anymore? All we can do is postulate minor theories that only attempt to explain a fraction of what is going on (at least not the whole storyline, anyway). If you try to piece everything together in a neat little package that fits perfectly, your head might explode. It will be interesting to see if the writers can do it.

Well, we don't really have enough clues yet for a good overall theory, but we can be reasonably sure that the island has some special geomagnetic properties, that the Hanso Foundation decided to study them via the Dharma Inititive, and that things got out of control at some point. The Others may in fact be Dharma "subjects" from the past that have "rebelled" and are now acting to close down the project because they fear it's evil.

Or, I could be completely wrong about all of that. :p

From Entertainment Weekly online:

It's here.

Finally.

IN MY OFFICE.

The season premiere of Lost.

I have watched it. TWICE.

What can I tell you?

For starters, the first five minutes = pure Lost genius.

The rest of it is pretty damn good, too.

In the words of Eric Cartman..."Awesome!"

I was there! I saw it! You guys will be absolutely SHOCKED come wednesday. :cool:


ron

Hey, I was there too, watching it with my feet in the surf! Terrific, very interesting episode. I'm looking forward to seeing it again tonight, in HD and without the sound of crashing waves. :D

Well, we don't really have enough clues yet for a good overall theory, but we can be reasonably sure that the island has some special geomagnetic properties, that the Hanso Foundation decided to study them via the Dharma Inititive, and that things got out of control at some point. The Others may in fact be Dharma "subjects" from the past that have "rebelled" and are now acting to close down the project because they fear it's evil.

Or, I could be completely wrong about all of that. :p
Judging by last year's activity in this thread, there will be no shortage of theories posted here, beginning in about 3 hours.

I think it was just a dream Bobby Ewing had. :D

For starters, the first five minutes = pure Lost genius.
I think I'll set my stupid DVR to start recording five minutes early in case ABC tries to get a few more commercials in there tonight.

I think it was just a dream Bobby Ewing had. :D

I thought it was Kate that walked out of the shower clad only in a towel on one episode...? But it was Bobby?? You must be dreamin'.

Probably a good idea to review the hatch map. (http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/blastDoorMapOverlay.jpg)

Hey, I was there too, watching it with my feet in the surf! Terrific, very interesting episode. I'm looking forward to seeing it again tonight, in HD and without the sound of crashing waves. :DSweet! But I was only kidding around. Sounds like you were ACTUALLY THERE. I'll be seeing it very soon though...

BTW, you guys won't mind not talking about any spoilers until 10:00 pacific so I can leave the thread open right?




:D


ron

WOW That was cool as ****

wow.

Excellent intro.

3 / 5 commercials hd

are we to expect commercials every 5 minutes?

I'm not getting Dolby 5.1 tonight. Anyone else?

Alright....what the heck is going on at thid island? Am I to assume Sawyer is at the zoo section of the island...maybe we will finally find out about this polar bear.

I'm not getting Dolby 5.1 tonight. Anyone else?

I'm fine here!

I'm not getting Dolby 5.1 tonight. Anyone else?

Same here, but then again, it doesn't seem to be working on any of the channels.

more commercials?? :(

i don't remember it being this bad last year....

Never mind. I got it fixed.

more commercials?? :(

i don't remember it being this bad last year....

No, but I remember talking about a lot of them in season 1.

Nice opening setup to season 3. Judging from the way they were dressed (nicely) and acting, I'd say the Others are some sort of isolated commune. A weird cult-like commune, though.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh f'ing commercials

That whole breakout seem too contolled, too planned

Never mind. I got it fixed.

How? :confused:

I just purchased my first HDTV yesterday,, Lost looks SO amazing.

why do some of the commericals look good full screen (16:9), the others look like crap?

I just purchased my first HDTV yesterday,, Lost looks SO amazing.

why do some of the commericals look good full screen (16:9), the others look like crap?


Some commercials are shot in HD and some are not

I just purchased my first HDTV yesterday,, Lost looks SO amazing.

Congratulations on the HDTV - you're gonna love it!!!

Good intro but I was disappointed with tonight's episode. We didn't learn that much about the others and Jack's backstory was boring.

"Warning! Warning! Someone has just entered M. Night Shyamalan's "The Village". Quick, we wacked out isolationist have to put on our disquise." Little do they know that Desmond's gal is hot on their trail.

The fake Henry Gale's name is Ben.

The beginning told us volumes. I'm willing to overlook any other shortcomings.

Hooray for Sawyer - just as smart as those damn polar bears! :D

So we now have the "Hydra" hatch... is this on the map in the center, elsewhere, or not at all?

The beginning told us volumes. I'm willing to overlook any other shortcomings.

Hooray for Sawyer - just as smart as those damn polar bears! :D

For a minute, I thought they might have locked him up with one of the wild boars... that would have been entertaining...

the others are pissing me off.

who do they think they are?

and di they rape kate?? :(

Hydra hatch is not on the map.

Also I found the plane crash footage tonight inconsistent with the view we were shown last season of the tail crash. Last season the tail section seemed to come from the ocean in towards the beach/island before striking the island. Tonight it looked more like it went over the mountains in the far background. Or was it the other debris trail that looked like some smoke rising out of the foliage?

oooh Juliette, nice and easy on the eyes. :D

oooh Juliette, nice and easy on the eyes. :D

She creeps the hell out of me, especially after watching Running Scared.

Hydra hatch is not on the map.

Also I found the plane crash footage tonight inconsistent with the view we were shown last season of the tail crash. Last season the tail section seemed to come from the ocean in towards the beach/island before striking the island. Tonight it looked more like it went over the mountains in the far background. Or was it the other debris trail that looked like some smoke rising out of the foliage?

^^^

That's just the smoke trails of the debris that your are talking about. The tail section seemed to have fallen off consistent with what was shown in S1-Pilot.

I've always loved her and yeah I last saw her in Running Scared and on E.R.

Hydra hatch is not on the map.

Also I found the plane crash footage tonight inconsistent with the view we were shown last season of the tail crash. Last season the tail section seemed to come from the ocean in towards the beach/island before striking the island. Tonight it looked more like it went over the mountains in the far background. Or was it the other debris trail that looked like some smoke rising out of the foliage?

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Maybe the tail spun a certain way that it came back over the ocean?

Hooray for Sawyer - just as smart as those damn polar bears! :DHe's so frakkin' gullible; you'd think he'd learned something by now. "Run in that direction!"
BTW, Jack's potential love-interest looks like Carrie-Ann Moss (Trinity). That was some shot she laid on him. :eek:

why was that "good work" at the end? She set him up from the begining? she knew he was going to try to break out and open that door, and make him "think" he's under water?

All to gain his trust. Now to break him down. And so it goes :) Those pesky Dharma people are always testing people. Hmm...

Wow, what a start to the season.

Liked the HD commercials but waaaayyy too many of them. And I know it's necessary for the show's format, but this habit of everyone taking their time to answer questions is getting old. Ben answered Kate's questions but geez, couldn't she come up with some better ones?

Course, I'll be back next week, cursing the slow responses by the others and wondering why other questions aren't being asked.

All to gain his trust...Now to break him down. And so it goes :)

That was my thinking with the kid who was talking to Sawyer.

Did anyone else find it strange that Julliette could knock out Jack with one punch? Are the Others freakishly strong?

Did anyone else find it strange that Julliette could knock out Jack with one punch? Are the Others freakishly strong?


Didn't she say something along the lines of, "It's not who we were, it's what we've become"?

Anyways, from the image of the plane crash, is it safe to assume their "base" is not located on the Swan bunker door map? Also, how in the world did the 2 "others" make it all that way in such a short period of time? The image of the smoke trails, showing the crash sites makes the island look HUGE.

I noticed:
When Ben/Henry came out of his house at the start he was immediately looking for something in the air and everyone else looked at him before looking up.

Is this anything?

Didn't she say something along the lines of, "It's not who we were, it's what we've become"?

She said "It's not about who we were, it is about who we ARE".

As I watched the opening scene tonight, I just sat there with a silly grin at the end and thought "Damn I love this show".

Great opener.

At the very beginning of the show, Juliette seemed to be crying. But she gained her composure. Wonder what all that was about. She seemed to be at odds with Ben before the plane crash.

Pretty wild how that plane crash happened. It was like the "village people" went outside expecting something bad to happen after that magnetic release, and there came the plane.

Lotsa good stuff coming up, it seems. Wonder what the uncomfortable two weeks will be like for our 3 lost survivors.

Ben answered Kate's questions but geez, couldn't she come up with some better ones?



Good episode. Loved the intro. I actually enjoyed the backstory with Jack--and although I always wish they would quicken the pace a little on the island story (because I am impatient and want all the answers), the backstories really are, for the most part, very well written, and emotionally deep. I really felt for Jack tonight, especially at the end when he asked whether his wife was happy.

But when it comes to the questions they ask, one they never seem to ask is "Why?" Jack and the others certainly don't wish to be on the island. I would certainly expect someone to finally sit down with them and say--why do you care about us so much? Why are we such a big deal?

Anyone notice the music Jack was listening to in his car (while spying on his ex) was the same music Hurley and Sayid heard over the short range radio. Sayid's double take at Hurley when he mentioned, "Time" may be significant.

Did anyone else find it strange that Julliette could knock out Jack with one punch? Are the Others freakishly strong?


That's what I was going to say, come on. But then little Kate was knocking down big guys too with a punch. :rolleyes:

Oh and nobody in the plane bothered to look out the left side of the plane to see the village? If the Others in the village could see the plane, the people on the plane should be able to see the village, the clearing in the middle of the jungle with several buildings.

That's what I was going to say, come on. But then little Kate was knocking down big guys too with a punch. :rolleyes:

Oh and nobody in the plane bothered to look out the left side of the plane to see the village? If the Others in the village could see the plane, the people on the plane should be able to see the village, the clearing in the middle of the jungle with several buildings.
Most everyone blacked out during the crash.

That's what I was going to say, come on. But then little Kate was knocking down big guys too with a punch. :rolleyes:

Oh and nobody in the plane bothered to look out the left side of the plane to see the village? If the Others in the village could see the plane, the people on the plane should be able to see the village, the clearing in the middle of the jungle with several buildings.

If i was on a plane that was about to crash... looking out the window at the scenery is the last of my worries.

So Kate has a tortured past, what with killing the man she loved.

Sawyer carries the burden of his parents' demise and guilt over the long con.

And now Jack had his heart broken to add to being disappointed by his father.

Even Juliette flashed a tinge of melancholy before her little book club.

Lot of angst on that little island.

where was Locke? No sign of him in the preview for next week either.

But when it comes to the questions they ask, one they never seem to ask is "Why?" Jack and the others certainly don't wish to be on the island. I would certainly expect someone to finally sit down with them and say--why do you care about us so much? Why are we such a big deal?

Been asking that since the others first started appearing. Isn't it human nature to ask why?

If i was on a plane that was about to crash... looking out the window at the scenery is the last of my worries.

Scenery?

How about looking outside in the hope that the plane wasn't so high in the air?

Or seeing if it might crash into the ocean as opposed to land?

Or just looking around in the general confusion as the plane is breaking up rather thanb just looking straight ahead?

Something fishy is going on at the beginning of tonights episode.

When the book club is taking place the house shakes. You're thinking it's an earthquake but its not. Then everyone runs outside, looks around, looks up and see's the plane. Then you hear weird sounds and everyone looks up to see the plane tearing apart.

Ok.


Then we pan over to the crash site and the smoke trails are in the oddest of directions. The front-end which is smoking doesn't match up with the smoke trail. The rear end however does.

Did one plane crash (featuring all the survivors which we've met during the 1st two season)?

or

Were there two different plane crashes? 1 during the book club meeting and 1 when everyone was outside looking up at the sky?

MY response to the opening scene, Holy Frickin Moley!!! Is this a great show or what.

Even at their apparent low altitude, terrified glances outside, might not spot houses tucked under palms or other jungle growth. Even though there was a central clearing it looked as if the houses were under trees.
And a percentage of those who may of spotted something would have ended up getting sucked into an engine or drowning is the sea.
So I'm good with it.

As I watched the opening scene tonight, I just sat there with a silly grin at the end and thought "Damn I love this show".

Exactly my thoughts, too. Except I have to issue a: "Arrrrrrghhhhhh..."

My stupid D* HD-TiVo f*ing reset right after the plane crash, and I lost everything frm that point until 9:28!!!!!!!!

I missed 20-some odd minutes!!! Arrrrggggghhhh!

I'll have to catch it on the webcast Thursday....

~Dan

Something fishy is going on at the beginning of tonights episode.

When the book club is taking place the house shakes. You're thinking it's an earthquake but its not. Then everyone runs outside, looks around, looks up and see's the plane. Then you hear weird sounds and everyone looks up to see the plane tearing apart.


The "earthquake" was caused by whatever electro-magnetic release occured when Desmond was late entering the code (after he followed Kelvin and accidently killed him). Remember, last season Desmond said, "I think I crashed your plane"...

~Dan

I guess I wasn't watching the same show everyone else was watching but this was a poor season opener at best. The whole show could have been condensed down to 20 minutes giving us time to see what else was going on. Come on, who didn't guess they were playing mind games with Jack? Who didn't guess it was a set up with the kid in the cage by Sawyer, and the whole cage thing is stupid - more mind games. Kate in a nice dress was a plus, but again more mind games.

Sorry to say it as much as I've enjoyed the show but I think I see a shark in the distance, and no it does not have a Dharma logo on it.

I guess I wasn't watching the same show everyone else was watching but this was a poor season opener at best.

Yeah...Your best bet would be to switch to NBC and watch Biggest Loser.

If you no longer enjoy Lost, I for one, don't want to hear about it. Goodbye...

~Dan

If you no longer enjoy Lost, I for one, don't want to hear about it. Goodbye...


Yeah, I agree. It seems there are certain people that are always looking for a reason to tear something down.

I guess I wasn't watching the same show everyone else was watching but this was a poor season opener at best. The whole show could have been condensed down to 20 minutes giving us time to see what else was going on. Come on, who didn't guess they were playing mind games with Jack? Who didn't guess it was a set up with the kid in the cage by Sawyer, and the whole cage thing is stupid - more mind games. Kate in a nice dress was a plus, but again more mind games.

Sorry to say it as much as I've enjoyed the show but I think I see a shark in the distance, and no it does not have a Dharma logo on it.I guess you should watch something else until the book comes out - then you can just skip to the end and save yourself having to read all the "mind games". Or just watch each episode in fast forward. :D

On second viewing those jungle homes were in a clearing, so anybody who saw them must have been sucked out of the plane.
Just spread your arms and glide on down.

Yeah...Your best bet would be to switch to NBC and watch Biggest Loser.

If you no longer enjoy Lost, I for one, don't want to hear about it. Goodbye...

~Dan


Gee we all don't have to be fanboys do we? I have enjoyed the show and will enjoy it but if I feel it faltered in the 3rd season opener I can't make that comment here? Do we all have to worship at the LOST alter? Looks like some here have been drinking too much Kool-Aid.

Did anyone else find it strange that Julliette could knock out Jack with one punch? Are the Others freakishly strong?
I laughed out loud and groaned in agony over that. I just took it as one of those lame movie/tv cliches that you can knock out someone with one punch if it's convenient to the plot.

Very cool, I'm in for another season, and it looks and sounds damn good to boot.

Some people just have to complain and bitch about something all the time! Pretty pathetic. If you don't like a program then watch something else ... or read book!

Some people just have to complain and bitch about something all the time! Pretty pathetic. If you don't like a program then watch something else ... or read book!
Say the person complaining and bitching about people complaining and bitching! LOL

Good to have the old bickering back. I've missed it over the summer :)

For me, it answered the question that the "Other" didn't plan the plane crash since they couldn't have known Desmond would fail to enter the numbers at the right time. But, they sure took advantage of the situation quickly. It had the feeling of, "Ah, fresh meat!!!"

They do seem to take great pleasure in experimenting with human psychology. The fact that Juilette seemed so strong is actually pretty consistent with what we have seen from other "Others", Ethan for one. That could be genetic engineering, performance enhancing drugs, the effect of the island, or in a real sci-fi vein, they "aren't from around here".

where was Locke? No sign of him in the preview for next week either.
Locke, as far as we know, is still in the hatch with Desmond and Mr. Eko. This episode was just purely to see what happened to the 3 who got captured. And apparently next week it's about them finding something the Losties have but they don't want them to have.

I've got to wonder if the breakout was planned though. They beat the kid up pretty bad and it seemed like the kid just let Sawyer out and sent him that way so they'd get Sawyer instead of him (seems like he knew there'd be someone there).

Lighten up guys. I guarantee there will be at least one episode that disappoints you this season.

...I've got to wonder if the breakout was planned though. They beat the kid up pretty bad and it seemed like the kid just let Sawyer out and sent him that way so they'd get Sawyer instead of him (seems like he knew there'd be someone there)...

With Lost you can never tell. Given that the Others are familiar with costumes, they could easily use theatrical blood to put on a good show for Sawyer's benefit.

Ok, so they gave Kate a pretty new dress. The big question is did they give her undergarments. Poor Sawyer, just a cage away.

We now know for sure that the Others are in immediate contact with the outside world and are working in conjunction with people off of the island. That's the only way they would have such a huge and current file on Jack. They obviously have very powerful contacts in the outside world. How and why would they know that Jack's ex was very happy? Is she playing a part in this somehow? Why would they go through so much trouble?

With Lost you can never tell. Given that the Others are familiar with costumes, they could easily use theatrical blood to put on a good show for Sawyer's benefit.

If this was a setup, I'm not sure I understand the point. He got out, ran around a little, then was shot and put back in the cage. What did this accomplish?
Unless I'm missing something, the kid (Carl?) also appears to be a prisoner of the others. If so, is he an Other gone bad or is he a castaway as well?

As for the mind games, they appear to be masters at it (reminds me a little of the Cylons). I couldn't help but thinking Jack's file was fake and Julliette told him pretty much everything they knew about him to make him think they already knew his story so he would talk more.

We now know for sure that the Others are in immediate contact with the outside world and are working in conjunction with people off of the island. That's the only way they would have such a huge and current file on Jack

I was wondering if the drug they gave Jack and Kate was a truth serum. Jack could have told them his entire life story and Juliette could have made up the part about his wife being happy.

Lost has turned into a metaphor for the Native Americans - leaving peacefully until the evil white Europeans came to trash their land.

If this was a setup, I'm not sure I understand the point. He got out, ran around a little, then was shot and put back in the cage. What did this accomplish?
Unless I'm missing something, the kid (Carl?) also appears to be a prisoner of the others. If so, is he an Other gone bad or is he a castaway as well?

As for the mind games, they appear to be masters at it (reminds me a little of the Cylons). I couldn't help but thinking Jack's file was fake and Julliette told him pretty much everything they knew about him to make him think they already knew his story so he would talk more.

Wasn't that the same kid who was repairing something under Juliet's house in the beginning of the ep? He seems like a plant.

That was Ethan working on the plumbing under her house.

Whose eye was that at the beginning? To me it looked like Ben's.

How and why would they know that Jack's ex was very happy?
The others are all about deception. That is what makes this show so great, trying to figure out if they are telling the truth or not. Like with Henry/Locke. Obviously, Henry entered the numbers in the computer even though he denied it.

Although they seemed to have quite a bit of information about Jack, I have a hunch that bit about Sarah being happy was something Juliette made up. Sort of like horoscopes or fortune telling ... can be easy to do once you have some basic information about a person.

OK, my wife forced me to watch it. I wanted to watch all six in November, FF through the commercials. I really enjoyed the episode. Well done. No problems with it.

But the commercials were horrendous. This is why I don't watch much Network television. I'll wait to see the next five when they are all on D-VHS tapes in my collection. No more of these stupid ass commercials.

OK, my wife forced me to watch it. I wanted to watch all six in November, FF through the commercials. I really enjoyed the episode. Well done. No problems with it.

But the commercials were horrendous. This is why I don't watch much Network television. I'll wait to see the next five when they are all on D-VHS tapes in my collection. No more of these stupid ass commercials.

That's why I started recording on my PC with an HDTV tuner card. I just strip the commercials out as soon as it's over. After last night there's no way I'll watch it live anymore.

What was with the star's on Jack's arm in the early scenes in his cell ??? They weren't there in the later scenes.

yea wat the hell were those stars. Also since the others seem to have a organized comunity and seem to run everything, why cant 1 of them give a hand in pushing the button to save the world!?!? do they not even know about that? If they did are they really just relying on some new guys to push the button???

I saw some people in this thread call him Ben. And the first time through that is what I thought Juliette said also. However, after rewinding it twice, both my wife and I thought she said "Red".

What did you hear?

I thought last night's episode was terrific. The Juliette character has such a sweet, likeable facade to go with that ruthless, coldblooded side of her.

The Others experimenting with performance enhancing drugs or genetic engineering which would make them stronger might explain some of Claire's flashbacks when she was kidnapped.

I saw some people in this thread call him Ben. And the first time through that is what I thought Juliette said also. However, after rewinding it twice, both my wife and I thought she said "Red".

What did you hear?

I just listened to it again, and I clearly heard Ben.

are we to expect commercials every 5 minutes?

WAY too many breaks, even the gf mentioned it.

That whole breakout seem too contolled, too planned

Yeah, he's likely a plant, as discussed. Then again, he sees much younger than most of the Others. So who knows? It just seemed way too convenient that Sawyer shows up and all of the sudden the kid decides to break them both out (by picking locks at that)

The beginning told us volumes. I'm willing to overlook any other shortcomings.

Hooray for Sawyer - just as smart as those damn polar bears! :D

I loved how he asked "how many bears were there?" as if that would soften the blow. :-)

She creeps the hell out of me, especially after watching Running Scared.

DITTO. That movie was pretty forgettable...but that particular side story was chilling and a bit haunting. It took me a while to stop creeping out over it.

So we now have the "Hydra" hatch... is this on the map in the center, elsewhere, or not at all?

I named it Cthulu when I saw the logo. Perhaps we have stumbled upon the campus of Miskatonic University?

WAY too many breaks, even the gf mentioned it.

I didn't even notice. Pause your DVR for 6 minutes next week and you'll pretty much be able to FF through everything and still end at 10:00

I actually enjoyed the backstory with Jack--and although I always wish they would quicken the pace a little on the island story (because I am impatient and want all the answers), the backstories really are, for the most part, very well written, and emotionally deep. I really felt for Jack tonight, especially at the end when he asked whether his wife was happy.



I felt sorry for Jack too, but for such a smart guy he sure is a TOOL. He's not the first guy to ruin his marriage and lose his wife to another man. Move on, boy!

Jack has a tendency to obsess and feel like a martyr. I'm hoping that's what these backstories are trying to convey, not Jack's heartbreak over a ruined marriage.

Hydra hatch: I assumed it really was under water as the others claimed. That would explain the power cable that Sayid found heading out into the ocean.

I loved how he asked "how many bears were there?" as if that would soften the blow. :-)

I don't believe the zookeeper. If there were Bears in there, why did the button have a picture of a knife and fork?
And why did it speak English when pressed?

We now know for sure that the Others are in immediate contact with the outside world and are working in conjunction with people off of the island. That's the only way they would have such a huge and current file on Jack. They obviously have very powerful contacts in the outside world. How and why would they know that Jack's ex was very happy? Is she playing a part in this somehow? Why would they go through so much trouble?

Yeah, my girlfriend and I were talking about that same thing. Someone gave them that info. And it's hard copy, so it was likely airdropped?

Can someone remind me how long they've been on the island? 6 or 7 weeks? Should be plenty of time for the Others to get names and request profiles I suppose.

Hydra hatch: I assumed it really was under water as the others claimed. That would explain the power cable that Sayid found heading out into the ocean.

No it doesn't. If we are to assume the timeline was pretty much consistent, Juliette and Ben were in and out of the "underwater" hatch several times and back ashore.

And if Sayind found that power cable, why the hell didn't he see the rest of the "zoo"?

I didn't even notice. Pause your DVR for 6 minutes next week and you'll pretty much be able to FF through everything and still end at 10:00


We actually started after LOST was already 30 minutes in (so we could 30sec skip our way past the commercials). I was commenting on how many breaks there were. I haven't watched a commercial on purpose in years :-)

Lost has turned into a metaphor for the Native Americans - leaving peacefully until the evil white Europeans came to trash their land.

Did you mean "living" rather than "leaving"? Leaving doesn't make much sense, but living would. Thanks.

Some thoughts:

Assuming Juliette didn't drug Jack and get his personal information that way, then they clearly are still in contact with the outside world. She mentioned they had Jack's dad's autopsy report. Since our Lostaways have only been on the island, what, 60 days (?), they got ahold of that thing pretty fast, so they must also have "friends in high places" back on the mainland.

The Others seemed to have almost been expecting the plane crash. They didn't seem too terribly surprised at seeing it break up, expected there to be survivors (!), and had an almost rehearsed reaction to the event, springing into action like they knew just what to do in the event of such a catastrophe. Maybe they've seen things like this before...? But, they couldn't have been expecting this particular event because they couldn't know Desmond would "turn the key" back in the hatch, thereby triggering the event. Nevertheless, they sure appeared ready for it.

The Others are trying to "break down" their 3 captives. Jack was completely beaten at the end after having his escape attempt fail and hearing Juliette's too-complete synopsis of his life. Ditto Sawyer - I agree with the above poster who postulated that The Others staged that whole thing. Sawyer and Jack have to be shown that they can't escape, so it's better off not even trying. And they've chosen a different tack with Kate, instilling her with enough fear to keep her docile.

The Hydra station wasn't on Kelvin's map. It may not actually be underwater; we've seen no windows.

Did anyone notice how much Juliette looked like Sara? And Desmond's chick (that's who I thought she was during the opening sequence)?

Each season begins with a still shot of an eyeball.

Who are these people??!

I just listened to it again, and I clearly heard Ben.
Closed Captioning agrees with Ben also. Those that heard "Red" could try adjusting their equalizer settings. :)

As for the cotton swab on the 3 losties arms, I took that to mean the Others drew their blood. Interesting that some of you thought they might have injected them with something. Injecting them with something is probably more likely and will be part of their 2-week ordeal.

Juliette seems to me to be an Other who might not completely agree with what they are doing. The crying at the beginning of the episode. And at the end, how she looked at and talked to Ben when he congratulated her on doing a good job. I wouldn't be surprised if in a future episode Juliette ends up being sympathetic toward the Losties and helping them in some way, much like Rouseau's daughter Alex was with Claire.

Some thoughts:

...

Who are these people??!


They are the good guys!


:D

the others are pissing me off.

who do they think they are?

and di they rape kate?? :(
My wife mentioned the same thing. The cuts on her wrists from the handcuffs were pretty bad, not something you could get from eating.
Also, interesting that both Kate and Sawyer were put into cages (jail?). Do the Others know that each killed a person?
As posted above, there was the food drop from last season, so it appears the Others are still in contact with someone. Also Ethan probably was able to get the names of the passengers when he infiltrated the group and relay them back to the Others before he was killed.

I thought it was interesting that when Juliette asked Jack what he wanted to know, that he chose to ask if his wife is happy rather than asking how his father died, especially since she just told him that she has the autopsy reports.

Any chance "Carl" or whoever that kid in the other cage is could be one of the other "Others" that the "Others" captured?

Juliette seems to me to be an Other who might not completely agree with what they are doing. The crying at the beginning of the episode. And at the end, how she looked at and talked to Ben when he congratulated her on doing a good job. I wouldn't be surprised if in a future episode Juliette ends up being sympathetic toward the Losties and helping them in some way, much like Rouseau's daughter Alex was with Claire.

You may be right. Juliette talks about how she thought "free will" still exists when the guy brought up the fact that Ben wouldn't like the book she selected for the book club.

Also, it's probably nothing, but did anyone else notice that the CD case Juliette pulled out at the beginning was Talking Heads/Speaking in Tongues, yet the music was Petula Clark's Downtown?

Some thoughts:

The Others seemed to have almost been expecting the plane crash. They didn't seem too terribly surprised at seeing it break up, expected there to be survivors (!), and had an almost rehearsed reaction to the event, springing into action like they knew just what to do in the event of such a catastrophe. Maybe they've seen things like this before...? But, they couldn't have been expecting this particular event because they couldn't know Desmond would "turn the key" back in the hatch, thereby triggering the event. Nevertheless, they sure appeared ready for it.



I'm reading it like this:

They were completely surprised by the 'earthquake', noone saw it coming. Although once it hit they reacted quickly. As soon as it was done, they went outside and checked the sky.

So although they didn't see the 'earthquake' coming, they new that after that type of event, planes/balloons/ships, etc have a tendency to crash.

I was creeped out when Henry/Ben said "Good One!" Like he'd caught a really big fish.

Each season begins with a still shot of an eyeball.

This opening was a nice juxtaposition from Season 2.

The choosing of a CD instead of a record.
The arrangement of the room corresponds with Desmond doing his workout.
The earthquake corresponds with Locke blowing the hatch.

You may be right. Juliette talks about how she thought "free will" still exists when the guy brought up the fact that Ben wouldn't like the book she selected for the book club.

Do we know the title of the book? I couldn't get a clear view.

Juliette seems to me to be an Other who might not completely agree with what they are doing. The crying at the beginning of the episode. And at the end, how she looked at and talked to Ben when he congratulated her on doing a good job. I wouldn't be surprised if in a future episode Juliette ends up being sympathetic toward the Losties and helping them in some way, much like Rouseau's daughter Alex was with Claire.

I thought maybe Juliette was having a breakdown at the beginning...but after they went outside and HenBen issued his orders something happened that made me think of another option.

HenBen noticed the book in her hand, and said "So I guess I'm out of the Book Club?"

I wonder if they were together and recently broke up? Cue soap opera music.

My wife mentioned the same thing. The cuts on her wrists from the handcuffs were pretty bad, not something you could get from eating.


Yes, and the look on her face and her demeanor were that of someone who was violated.

Do we know the title of the book? I couldn't get a clear view.

I looked for it, but her arm covers the title of the book.

Do we know the title of the book? I couldn't get a clear view.

It was Stephen King, but I didn't see the title.

It was Stephen King, but I didn't see the title. It might be The Stand. I'm pretty sure I've read that Lost is influenced by this book.

Do we know the title of the book? I couldn't get a clear view.


I haven't rewatched it yet in slomo, but the author was Stephen King. I wonder if it was The Stand, which many here have mentioned previously. Another bone to us thrown by the writers?

I also think it's interesting how completely in control Ben/Henry is. He is obeyed without question by Goodwin and Ethan after the plane crash. Their group seems to be almost tyrannical in nature. Strong contrast to that of the Losties (especially early on) when there wasn't any real leadership.

Im getting tired of all the mysteries. If they dont start answering some questions, Im gone.

As for the cotton swab on the 3 losties arms, I took that to mean the Others drew their blood. Interesting that some of you thought they might have injected them with something. Injecting them with something is probably more likely and will be part of their 2-week ordeal.


Juliette said they injected Jack... and that it would cause him to become dehydrated.

We never did get the name of the man who stole Jack's wife. I suppose there is an off chance it ties to the island (Widemore, Hanso, whatever).

If they are in contact with the outside world they would have been able to get the crew manifest from press accounts of the missing plane, and then cross-reference it with the lists from Ethan, Goodwin, (or Walt).

No more weepy Jack, please.

This was our first episode we saw live (DVD for S1 + S2). Its frustrating to have to wait till next week.

I'm surprised no one mentioned the appearance of Mr. Friendly in Jack's backstory. When Jack is standing by a patient's bed -- and he looks into the hall and sees his dad getting a call from what he thinks is his wife -- the patient in the bed is the beardless Mr. Friendly. I paused and confirmed this before moving on. I'll try to find a screenie.

I still would love to know what disease/virus/other is on the island. Sawyer, Jack, and Kate all appeared to be vaccinated (at least injected with something). The Others, Rousseau, and Desmond are all afraid of something on that island.

I haven't rewatched it yet in slomo, but the author was Stephen King. I wonder if it was The Stand, which many here have mentioned previously. Another bone to us thrown by the writers?



It was Carrie. They actually had 3 different versions of the book.

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=170

I'm surprised no one mentioned the appearance of Mr. Friendly in Jack's backstory. When Jack is standing by a patient's bed -- and he looks into the hall and sees his dad getting a call from what he thinks is his wife -- the patient in the bed is the beardless Mr. Friendly. I paused and confirmed this before moving on. I'll try to find a screenie.

here you go...

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=174

This opening was a nice juxtaposition from Season 2.

The choosing of a CD instead of a record.
The arrangement of the room corresponds with Desmond doing his workout.
The earthquake corresponds with Locke blowing the hatch.

This opener also started with a "flashback" that initially appeared to take place off the island, but was actually on the island. Clever.

here is the final lyrics from Downtown....she may have some in common with jack....


And you may find somebody kind to help and understand you
Someone who is just like you and needs a gentle hand to
Guide them along
So, maybe I'll see you there
We can forget all our troubles, forget all our cares and go
Downtown, things'll be great when you're
Downtown, don't wait a minute more,
Downtown, everything's waiting for you

Im getting tired of all the mysteries. If they dont start answering some questions, Im gone.

:D And so it begins.....

I still would love to know what disease/virus/other is on the island. Sawyer, Jack, and Kate all appeared to be vaccinated (at least injected with something). The Others, Rousseau, and Desmond are all afraid of something on that island.

From what I've seen, the only disease on this island produces a condition in which people lose the ability to ask the question "what is going on here?"

It was Carrie. They actually had 3 different versions of the book.

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=170

That's an intriguing clue. The others are very interested in psychic powers, and if Juliette's favorite book is "Carrie", maybe she has them too.

From what I've seen, the only disease on this island produces a condition in which people lose the ability to ask the question "what is going on here?"
You nailed it Brotha!

From the way Jack's ex-wife and his dad were acting, I got the distinct feeling that they are somehow involved in some sort of intervention, or tough love scenario, and that his being on the island is all part of it, as if they know/knew what was going to happen to him and that it was for his own good, to "fix" something about his character.

One thing I didn't get about the plane crash. From the opening scene last night we saw that the event with Desmond not entering the code (causing the plane crash) and the plane splitting in two over the island were within seconds of each other. However, way back at the beginning of season 1 wasn't it mentioned by the pilot that they were taken hundreds of miles off-course?

Which is it?

One thing I didn't get about the plane crash. From the opening scene last night we saw that the event with Desmond not entering the code (causing the plane crash) and the plane splitting in two over the island were within seconds of each other. However, way back at the beginning of season 1 wasn't it mentioned by the pilot that they were taken hundreds of miles off-course?

Which is it?

A flaw in the story line

One thing I didn't get about the plane crash. From the opening scene last night we saw that the event with Desmond not entering the code (causing the plane crash) and the plane splitting in two over the island were within seconds of each other. However, way back at the beginning of season 1 wasn't it mentioned by the pilot that they were taken hundreds of miles off-course?

Which is it?
To me this says that Desmond's actions didn't bring them to the island. It may have caused the crash, but they were on their way to the island, already.

It could be a mistake, but I could swear the CD case she opens in the beginning is "Speaking in Tongues" by the Talking Heads.

One thing I didn't get about the plane crash. From the opening scene last night we saw that the event with Desmond not entering the code (causing the plane crash) and the plane splitting in two over the island were within seconds of each other. However, way back at the beginning of season 1 wasn't it mentioned by the pilot that they were taken hundreds of miles off-course?

Which is it?

They weren't 'taken' off course. Their radio beacon (and I'm assuming their radio as well) went out, so they diverted the plane to land at another destination. They were no longer on their original course, so after the crash the rescue parties would be looking in the wrong place.

Their new course made them go near the island around the time of Desmond's mishap

:D And so it begins.....

it was only a matter of time...I'm suprised it took 12 hours. :-)

Since I can't do a screenshot, check out 13:00 minutes into the episode as it plays on ABC.com and notice that as Jack is yanking at the chain attached to the ceiling that his arm is covered with "star" tatoos. Later on they appear to be gone.

I've asked about this before, but only got one reaction. Comments ???

it was only a matter of time...I'm suprised it took 12 hours. :-)

To be honest with you, my initial thought at the end of this episode was:
"Fonzi's boat is approaching the ramp."

They have a half-season to keep me interested, but so far I'm not particularly impressed.

Since I can't do a screenshot, check out 13:00 minutes into the episode as it plays on ABC.com and notice that as Jack is yanking at the chain attached to the ceiling that his arm is covered with "star" tatoos. Later on they appear to be gone.

I've asked about this before, but only got one reaction. Comments ???

Those are real tatoos and have been evident since Season 1, Episode 1.

Out of curiosity, were you guys satisfied with the PQ during the Jack & Juliette prison scenes? To me it was way too dark and that green light was annoying me. That and it didn't look like great HD to me left me wanting more. The outside scenes though were phenominal.

To me this says that Desmond's actions didn't bring them to the island. It may have caused the crash, but they were on their way to the island, already.

It could be a mistake, but I could swear the CD case she opens in the beginning is "Speaking in Tongues" by the Talking Heads.


You are correct, I just played it back in SloMo and it was the CD case for Talking Heads "Speaking In Tongues"

Those are real tatoos and have been evident since Season 1, Episode 1.
i must be out of my fuking mind but ive watched every episode, and those tatoos are big and colorfull if i remember from last night correctly, i never seen theM???? you sure he always had them??? the ones of the stars on his arm?????

i must be out of my fuking mind but ive watched every episode, and those tatoos are big and colorfull if i remember from last night correctly, i never seen theM???? you sure he always had them??? the ones of the stars on his arm?????


I don't remember them from ep1 but I do remember them from last season.

I'm surprised no one mentioned the appearance of Mr. Friendly in Jack's backstory. When Jack is standing by a patient's bed -- and he looks into the hall and sees his dad getting a call from what he thinks is his wife -- the patient in the bed is the beardless Mr. Friendly. I paused and confirmed this before moving on. I'll try to find a screenie.

That's not Mr. Friendly.

That's not Mr. Friendly.

I dunno. Sure looks like him to me.

i must be out of my fuking mind but ive watched every episode, and those tatoos are big and colorfull if i remember from last night correctly, i never seen theM???? you sure he always had them??? the ones of the stars on his arm?????

Yeah, they have been shown several times. I think they are on the underside of his arm, so you'd only see them in a shot with his arms over his head.

I dunno. Sure looks like him [Mr. Friendly] to me.

I agree; thought the same thing when I saw him. Anybody have a screen cap?

Juliette said they injected Jack... and that it would cause him to become dehydrated.I took that comment to mean the darts they used to knock them out, once in the jungle, and probably again when they each woke up in their "cells," not necessarily that they used the arm to drug them.

I dunno. Sure looks like him to me.I'm with CPanther. It does not look like Mr. Friendly to me, either. Plus, Mr. Friendly was probably on the island for quite some time, and would have been during this period in Jack's life. That hospital scene was probably only a few years (at most) before the plane crash.

And I was going to comment that in the backstories from this episode no other person on the island appeared in them, whereas last year it seemed just about every backstory had people's paths crossing.

Out of curiosity, were you guys satisfied with the PQ during the Jack & Juliette prison scenes? To me it was way too dark and that green light was annoying me. That and it didn't look like great HD to me left me wanting more. The outside scenes though were phenominal.
Those dark, grainy scenes are actually great microdisplay torture tests. It is also torture on MPEG encoders as I noticed some artifacting among the grain. How good/ bad these scenes appear will depend on your display. CRT owners likely won't have any problem with these scenes.

Out of curiosity, were you guys satisfied with the PQ during the Jack & Juliette prison scenes? To me it was way too dark and that green light was annoying me.
It was supposed to be dark and there was supposed to be an annoying green light so you were actually seeing excellent PQ. This is not a documentary on the Discovery channel.

I'm with CPanther. It does not look like Mr. Friendly to me, either. Plus, Mr. Friendly was probably on the island for quite some time, definitely during this period in Jack's life.

My gut reaction was that it's not him, but his nose is very distinct. They are certainly very similar.

If the link to the comparison, posted earlier by brente, isn't working for people, change the semicolons to ampersands.

I'm surprised it's even up for debate. Looking at a screenshot - looks nothing like him.

Wanted to bring something else up ... since we saw the little commune. Where are the children? The tail section children were snatched up right away, I assume by the Others. Also, Mr. Friendly took Walt on the boat in S2. When they let Walt go with Michael at the end of Season 2 they mentioned Walt had been extremely helpful to them, more than they anticipated. (What exactly did that mean?)

So where are the kids?!!?

And what happened to the adults who were snatched from the tail section? Is there a 3rd group on the island that has not been revealed yet?

I think it looks a lot like him:

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/gallery/1_05_10_06_3_02_54.jpg

Look at his nose...his left nostril is bigger than his right in both pictures! Proof! :)

When Jack opens the hatch door that lets in all the water, Juliette begins to scramble towards the door that Ben is escaping out of. Why does he shut the door on her instead of letting her escape with him? Maybe a punishment for letting Jack getting the better of her?

Also, at the beginning of the episode she appears to be on the verge of tears while looking in the mirror at herself. I wonder what this was about.

Look at his nose...his left nostril is bigger than his right in both pictures! Proof! :)
The photoshop job in the lower left corner of his "bed head" switches his head on the vertical plane, so the left is now the right side. I do not believe this to be the same person. Just looks different to me. Island guy has a mole or something on his left cheek, bed guy is missing that. Also, bed guy's shoulders don't seem as broad.

Although the facial features are similar, I don't believe it is the same guy. Like people think Penny Whitmore and Juliette are the same, and how other people have been confused in the past. They may have similar features, but are not the same person.

Like I pointed out earlier, wouldn't Mr. Friendly have been on the island during this period in Jack's back story? Was probably only a few years ago at most.

Innova - it's him; those pics prove it.

I hope you guys never testify as an eyewitness. ;)

When Jack opens the hatch door that lets in all the water, Juliette begins to scramble towards the door that Ben is escaping out of. Why does he shut the door on her instead of letting her escape with him? Maybe a punishment for letting Jack getting the better of her?



I think he was just protecting the integrity of the facility...better for the 2 to die then the whole station to flood. But pretty coldblooded nonetheless.

Wanted to bring something else up ... since we saw the little commune. Where are the children?
We didn't see much of the commune. We saw in the opening that they have a substantial village in one valley. That is only part of their operation since it's not next to the ocean. We also saw that there are some fairly large (but not tall) buildings when Kate was being taken around. It's a big island, and it's their island.

If you kept up much with the web game this summer, what was revealed was that the special numbers are actually the coefficients in the Valenzetti equation that supposedly predicts the date the world will end. The projects on the island were launched back in the 70s to try and see if they could find ways to change these coefficients and thereby change the date of doom. But they failed and apparently have given up. It could be that the ones left on the island have formed some kind of community that knows when the world will end and is waiting for it perhaps with the goal of surviving it or something.

Anyway, it may be they want to assimilate more people into their group to improve their chances of survival, so they need to break down people bit by bit. Setting up faked escape attempts for Sawyer and Jack is a good first step to take if you know them well enough that you know they are going to be keeping their hope up of escaping. I think the Others know them well enough that they will be able to successfully break them.

This all also has a Prisoner-esque element now with this "Village".

I think he was just protecting the integrity of the facility...better for the 2 to die then the whole station to flood. But pretty coldblooded nonetheless.
Ding! (light bulb comes on)

I believe Ben said "Nice Work" to Juliette at the end of the show. I think he means by that, "nice work in saving your own life and the preserving Jack's life so the experiment/whatever can continue." Juliette was the one who was able to get Jack to push the button, assumingly to drain the water, and she knocked Jack out and was able to get him back in the aquarium. Ben had left them for dead. Which is why Juliette gives him a cold, sarcartic "Thank you, Ben" at the end of the episode. She isn't too happy Ben left her for dead. Another reason for her to turn on the Others later in the season.

Juliette's knockout punch was the most unbelievable moment of the episode for me. (Unless of course those crafty Lost writers will work her superhuman strength into the story a couple of seasons from now. :) )

The whole idea of needing Jack to crouch across the room so she could open the door seems like it was a setup for his attempted escape. Surely these nefarious control freaks would have designed a more secure food delivery system. However, when Jack opened the door HenBen (love that name!) seemed pretty genuinely interested in getting out of the room quickly, as if at least that part was unplanned.

Also, I felt that Jack's backstory in this episode was showing us a parallel to bigger themes in the series - about obsessing on finding answers, even when the questions being asked are not the right questions. It would make no difference in Jack's situation whether or not he knew who his wife's lover was. Likewise, maybe they are telling us that the mysteries we work so hard to solve really aren't going to get us where we want to go.

Finally, amid all the Lost-inspired series that are being sprung upon us, it was great to have the masters back to show us how it's really done.

When Jack opens the hatch door that lets in all the water, Juliette begins to scramble towards the door that Ben is escaping out of. Why does he shut the door on her instead of letting her escape with him? Maybe a punishment for letting Jack getting the better of her?

That little spat was staged to lead Jack to believe that there was a rift between Juliette (the "good cop") and Ben (the "bad cop"). They're trying to break Jack and get him to trust his sympathetic captor, which they'll use against him later. This was basically confirmed at the end when Juliette got Jack to sit against the wall and play nice like she asked him, and out in the hallway Ben congratulated her for the good work.

After the first scene, was anyone else wondering when Patrick McGoohan would show up?

However, when Jack opened the door HenBen (love that name!) seemed pretty genuinely interested in getting out of the room quickly, as if at least that part was unplanned.




Yeah, HenBen seems to fit him, although Benry would also be ok. Or should we just call him Ben now that we know?

(From Marc Berman’s Thursday, October 5, 2006, Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com )

The good news for ABC was a midweek victory, with a first-place finish in the overnights (and most likely total viewers and adults 18-49 when the fast national results are released). But the third season-premiere of the still dominant Lost came down considerably from it’s year-ago opener. Lost averaged a first-place 12.3/18 in the overnights, which comparatively was down by 18 percent from its year two debut (Overnights: 15.0/21 on Sept. 21, 2005). Yes, folks, this could be concerning, particularly given that ABC is foolishly putting new Taye Diggs drama Day Break into the Lost time period for three months beginning in mid-November.

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Juliette's knockout punch was the most unbelievable moment of the episode for me. (Unless of course those crafty Lost writers will work her superhuman strength into the story a couple of seasons from now. )

If she was in water up to her waist she would not be able to generate knock-out power. (No legs = no power)

I was creeped out when Henry/Ben said "Good One!" Like he'd caught a really big fish.

I believe Benry said "Goodwin", not "Good One"

Juliette's knockout punch was the most unbelievable moment of the episode for me. (Unless of course those crafty Lost writers will work her superhuman strength into the story a couple of seasons from now. :) )


Like Season 1 when Ethan Rom showed superhuman strength?

Juliette's knockout punch was the most unbelievable moment of the episode for me. (Unless of course those crafty Lost writers will work her superhuman strength into the story a couple of seasons from now. )

If she was in water up to her waist she would not be able to generate knock-out power. (No legs = no power)


Yeah, I was waiting for jack to get up and get hit again like the little punk he's become these days :-) But he stayed down.

But then again, he's marched across the island, been darted with a drugs, drugged again, and has had no food/water for who knows how long now. He's not exactly at his strongest.

Nevermind, I'm still not buying it, unless she's got that special Other Mojo, such as Ethan seemed to have at first. (Although Jack subsequently whipped his butt later on).

What happened to the folks on the ice?

Those dark, grainy scenes are actually great microdisplay torture tests. It is also torture on MPEG encoders as I noticed some artifacting among the grain. How good/ bad these scenes appear will depend on your display. CRT owners likely won't have any problem with these scenes.
Correct. No problems (looked great) on my Sony XBR960 CRT...

Wanted to bring something else up ... since we saw the little commune. Where are the children? The tail section children were snatched up right away, I assume by the Others. Also, Mr. Friendly took Walt on the boat in S2. When they let Walt go with Michael at the end of Season 2 they mentioned Walt had been extremely helpful to them, more than they anticipated. (What exactly did that mean?)

So where are the kids?!!?

And what happened to the adults who were snatched from the tail section? Is there a 3rd group on the island that has not been revealed yet?

My theory on the kids is that they are using them for another experiment. Remember last season when Eko and Michael were hiding from the vicious others as they walked silently by. Speculation was that they were some blood lusty kids because of the size of the feet and the dragging of the stuffed animal.

It's a Lord of the Flies type setting to experiment what will happen to the survivors of the "end of the world" (vanzetti equation conclusion). Perhaps Walt was used in this experiment, where his ability would give him an advantage.

Gets me to thinking about Claire's baby and how they were inoculating him for something. Maybe the LofF experiment would introduce a child who is not infected or something along those lines.

Pure speculation on my part.

Wanted to bring something else up ... since we saw the little commune. Where are the children? The tail section children were snatched up right away, I assume by the Others. Also, Mr. Friendly took Walt on the boat in S2. When they let Walt go with Michael at the end of Season 2 they mentioned Walt had been extremely helpful to them, more than they anticipated. (What exactly did that mean?)

So where are the kids?!!?

And what happened to the adults who were snatched from the tail section? Is there a 3rd group on the island that has not been revealed yet?
Most of the scenes of the commune were before the plane crashed.

Also, I felt that Jack's backstory in this episode was showing us a parallel to bigger themes in the series - about obsessing on finding answers, even when the questions being asked are not the right questions. It would make no difference in Jack's situation whether or not he knew who his wife's lover was. Likewise, maybe they are telling us that the mysteries we work so hard to solve really aren't going to get us where we want to go.

Wow, I love this ... I've said all along that this show really isn't about mysteries or monsters, but character and relationships. What a great metaphor.

+4 insightful :)

(From Marc Berman’s Thursday, October 5, 2006, Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com )

The good news for ABC was a midweek victory, with a first-place finish in the overnights (and most likely total viewers and adults 18-49 when the fast national results are released). But the third season-premiere of the still dominant Lost came down considerably from it’s year-ago opener. Lost averaged a first-place 12.3/18 in the overnights, which comparatively was down by 18 percent from its year two debut (Overnights: 15.0/21 on Sept. 21, 2005). Yes, folks, this could be concerning, particularly given that ABC is foolishly putting new Taye Diggs drama Day Break into the Lost time period for three months beginning in mid-November.

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

ABC needs to monitor this closely...the more they keep stringing viewers along without a sense of closure to some of the plotlines, the more erosion they'll see in the ratings. 18% decline is no joke.

Oh, please. This show has a clear sense of itself -- what it is and where it's going -- and network meddling in some desperate attempt to appease viewers who clearly don't get the show is only going to harm the show creatively and make matters worse, not better.

The only thing ABC can do is what it's doing -- stop all the reruns and preemptions midseason. If they'd done that last year, they might not have had the dropoff.

Also -- those numbers are fast nationals and subject to change -- most of the sites I'm looking at say that Wednesday ratings are delayed. And Lost's premiere wasn't against baseball playoffs last year, either, so it's not exactly an apples-to-apples comparison. A more interesting comparison would be how it did compared to the season 2 finale.

ABC needs to monitor this closely...the more they keep stringing viewers along without a sense of closure to some of the plotlines, the more erosion they'll see in the ratings. 18% decline is no joke.

Especially considering the baseball game was rained out.

ABC needs to monitor this closely...the more they keep stringing viewers along without a sense of closure to some of the plotlines, the more erosion they'll see in the ratings. 18% decline is no joke.

More troubling to me if I was an advertiser is how there is little attempt to expand the viewer base. Sure there was lots of hype about the new season starting but if I was completely new to the show and saw the events unfold last night, I think I would have been inclined to turn the channel. There's just so little for a newbie to hang onto.

More troubling to me if I was an advertiser is how there is little attempt to expand the viewer base. Sure there was lots of hype about the new season starting but if I was completely new to the show and saw the events unfold last night, I think I would have been inclined to turn the channel. There's just so little for a newbie to hang onto.

But that's the nature of these kinds of serialized shows... and why so few of them succeed. Yes, they're unconventional and inaccessible in the sense that someone can't just tune in any time, catch an episode, and bow out - as one can do with most sitcoms, episodic dramas, and game shows - but that's also what makes them special, creating dedicated viewers and fan-obsessed bulletin boards.

My thoughts...

From the way the Others camp was set up (and the Losties did have a supply drop), I think they must have some contacts with the outside world. However, I wasn't sure if the reports Juliet had were real (do they have those for Kate and Sawyer?).

I think there are some (children like Walt?) with remote viewing or thought reading. Also Ethan could have gather up some basic info. I don't think it mattered much whether the reports were real or not. Juliet and the Others knew enough to influence and manipulate Jack. The whole Juliet-Jack episode is to break Jack down, have him let go. The whole back-against-the-wall thing... They had four Others escorting Kate, and they just let Juliet alone do that? It had to be a part of a plan.

Incidentally, I don't know if Sara really had a new guy. I thought Jack was reluctant to get married and he must have been pushing Sara away. Sara could have had an affair, but I thought it could have been just a way to give them a way out of each other. The guy that was with Sara might not have been a boyfriend, but just a friend as well.

It's tough to take what's true or what's not about whatever "the Others" talk about. I am sure they mix some truth in, but mostly what they say is to manipulate the Losties.

Anyway, I enjoyed the episode. Can't wait to get to the other camp.

Hong.

Juliette's knockout punch was the most unbelievable moment of the episode for me.

I turned to my wife and daughter and said "Heh! He was decked by a chick!". Yeah that was pretty unbelievable.

More troubling to me if I was an advertiser is how there is little attempt to expand the viewer base. Sure there was lots of hype about the new season starting but if I was completely new to the show and saw the events unfold last night, I think I would have been inclined to turn the channel. There's just so little for a newbie to hang onto.

Actually, considering the phenomenon that LOST has become and the blazing success of the S-1 (and now S-2) DVD sales, I don't think they're too concerned about bringing newbies into the fold. And there are so many other revenue streams attached to this show, more than any other on the tube, that ratings aren't that big a concern, either.

That said, I'm not sure I understand how, with all the hype this show generates, that it isn't among the highest rated shows on TV. Everybody I know not only watches it, but obsesses about it! I mean, if the woeful Desperate Housewives can draw 22 million, then LOST should be able to at least equal that.

Those dark, grainy scenes are actually great microdisplay torture tests. It is also torture on MPEG encoders as I noticed some artifacting among the grain. How good/ bad these scenes appear will depend on your display. CRT owners likely won't have any problem with these scenes.

So the graininess in the dark scenes is expected? I'm fairly new to the HD world and while the outside shots looked great, the dark scenes had very high amounts of graininess/mosquito noise.

I'm viewing on a Samsung HL-S6187 DLP with HD cable.

I'm confused, when Jack hits the yellow button to release water into the floor, does this automatically close the hatch he opened to flood the rooms in the first place?

I was also thinking the place where Jack is stored is not underwater. Do you remember the big pipe that Sawyer saw outside his cage? Maybe that leads to the hatch Jack opened. Dunno, but I thought the beginning of the season was great. So Jack didn't trust his dad, kicked his ass, made him start boozing and eventually die. I'm guessing he feels bad about that.

So Jack didn't trust his dad, kicked his ass, made him start boozing and eventually die. I'm guessing he feels bad about that.

And his drinking led to his losing his medical license, an even deeper slide into alchohol, and his ill fated trip to Crikeyland.

And his drinking led to his losing his medical license, an even deeper slide into alchohol, and his ill fated trip to Crikeyland.

That incident wasn't what made Jack's dad start drinking. The indications have been that he was a long-time alcoholic, and it was Jack ratting him out to the medical licensing board that drove him to Australia and his "final bender".

Posted 10/3/06: I just checked iTunes, and no podcast of the season opener. What gives? Last season Carlton and Damon had a podcast before every new episode.

I thought they did a weekly podcast after each episode. ;) Ahhhh.

Well, well, well, there WAS an ABC Lost Podcast released on 10/2/06. So :p

Today I hit the little "refresh" button in the lower right corner and it showed up. I have auto-updating set, so not sure why it didn't pull down the new podcast on Oct. 3.

Im getting tired of all the mysteries. If they dont start answering some questions, Im gone.

Later, troll.

That incident wasn't what made Jack's dad start drinking. The indications have been that he was a long-time alcoholic, and it was Jack ratting him out to the medical licensing board that drove him to Australia and his "final bender".

The incident DID get him drinking again. He'd been sober for some months before Jack's episode (at his AA meeting lol). Hard to start over at Day1 again, I'm sure.

oooh Juliette, nice and easy on the eyes. :)

She creeps the hell out of me, especially after watching Running Scared.

How can you be creeped you out??? It's Mrs. Claus! :D

The incident DID get him drinking again. He'd been sober for some months before Jack's episode (at his AA meeting lol). Hard to start over at Day1 again, I'm sure.

Yes, you're right about that; did he say it had been 5 months?

Lost has turned into a metaphor for the Native Americans - leaving peacefully until the evil white Europeans came to trash their land.
You're being ironic, right? The Indians didn't swoop down for the kill the moment the Europeans stepped off the boat. No, there's nothing peaceful about the Others. No similarity to the way the Indians really were. Though with the speed and intent with which the Others reacted to the introduction of strangers into their habitat, it would make sense to call them by the other name the Indians were known for. Savages.

Yes, you're right about that; did he say it had been 5 months?
He was 50 days sober before the dust up with his son led him to go back to the bottle. Less then 2 months. Not much to hang your hat on. He probably would have fallen back sometime for a different reason. But it shed more light on one of the reasons Jack is so guilt ridden and messed up in general. Before this ep we could only have believed that what led to Jack's dad's death was Jack turning him in for drinking on the job, so at least Jack in his own eyes could justify not blaming himself for his fathers death. But now we see that Jack has no choice but to blame himself for his father returning to the bottle, which in turn led him to have his license revoke, which in turn led him to his death. If nothing else, this episode led to Jack's pain becoming a little more real for me, so I'd say it was a good ep on that merit alone.

So the graininess in the dark scenes is expected? I'm fairly new to the HD world and while the outside shots looked great, the dark scenes had very high amounts of graininess/mosquito noise.
Yes, Lost shoots interior scenes with faster (grainier) film than exterior scenes which have plenty of natural light. Now that you have HD, you're finally going to get to see all the grain you've been missing on telelvsion! :)

I thought Kate's shower scene was much too short. :mad:

... or the towel was much too long. ;)

I'm confused, when Jack hits the yellow button to release water into the floor, does this automatically close the hatch he opened to flood the rooms in the first place?


No, Jack and Juliette manage to close the hatch by hand. The button seems to pump out the water from the room.

I thought Kate's shower scene was much too short. :mad:
And had lousy camerawork. Don't those damn cranes go any higher?

No, Jack and Juliette manage to close the hatch by hand. The button seems to pump out the water from the room.They closed the door to the room he or she was originally in (I think it was her room), not the big door outside of the room Jack was locked in.

The woman who shot the escaping Sawyer was Juliette. So, is where Jack is being kept next to where Sawyer's cage is? I find it difficult to believe that she is getting back and forth from some underwater facility to the zoo cages in that short of time.

The woman who shot the escaping Sawyer was Juliette. So, is where Jack is being kept next to where Sawyer's cage is? I find it difficult to believe that she is getting back and forth from some underwater facility to the zoo cages in that short of time.

I would say yes. The Dharma logo near Jack is the same as the one near Sawyer. Looks like a squid or scorpion.

The woman who shot the escaping Sawyer was Juliette. So, is where Jack is being kept next to where Sawyer's cage is? I find it difficult to believe that she is getting back and forth from some underwater facility to the zoo cages in that short of time.
All 3 captured Losties are in the same "Zoo". So the "exhibits" are definitely within walking distance.

And so far the exhibits we've seen match some of the darma "animals" we've seen earlier. The Polar bears probably chilled in Sawyer's cage. The sharks in the aquarium above Jack's head. The genetic facility in which they were created is probably close by as well. It makes you wonder just what the head guy meant when he told Kate that the next two weeks would be very unpleasant...

No, Jack and Juliette manage to close the hatch by hand. The button seems to pump out the water from the room.
Actually, the door they managed to close was the one that led to the observing room, not the door out of which the water spilled. The button must have stopped the water from the source, so that while Jack was knocked out Juliette was able to drag him back to the holding cell and shut the hatch from which the water spilled.

This is driving me crazy, anybody got a screen cap of Penny Whitmore? Her and Juliette look so much alike that I wanted to see her again but I can't find a pic of her anywhere.

It makes you wonder just what the head guy meant when he told Kate that the next two weeks would be very unpleasant...

Perhaps she'll be spending that time in the back seat of a Volkswagen.

Er, wait....that was "uncomfortable".

This is driving me crazy, anybody got a screen cap of Penny Whitmore? Her and Juliette look so much alike that I wanted to see her again but I can't find a pic of her anywhere.

Not the same actress, but a very close lookalike, along with Jack's Sarah, as I mentioned in an earlier post. It got a little confusing there for awhile.

The gorgeous actress that plays Penny had a pivotal role on Showtime's outstanding "Sleeper Cell" miniseries last year. Makes me wonder how they're going to handle that when Sleeper Cell returns in December.

They closed the door to the room he or she was originally in (I think it was her room), not the big door outside of the room Jack was locked in.

You're right; that's what I meant. I guess the yellow button does something... :p

If you no longer enjoy Lost, I for one, don't want to hear about it. Goodbye...
Gee we all don't have to be fanboys do we? I have enjoyed the show and will enjoy it but if I feel it faltered in the 3rd season opener I can't make that comment here?
No. We're all tired of whiners. We come here to discuss the show, not to listen to how you didn't care for it.


Do we all have to worship at the LOST alter?
Yes.

If you don't like the show, posting here is a waste of your, and our time.


Looks like some here have been drinking too much Kool-Aid.
Go start your own "Lost Sucks - Non-Kool-Aid Drinkers Only" thread and bitch and moan there.

Like I said: I don't want to hear your whining...

Bye.

~Dan

I would say yes. The Dharma logo near Jack is the same as the one near Sawyer. Looks like a squid or scorpion.
It's a hydra

It's a hydra

Anyone got screencaps?

Yeah, my girlfriend and I were talking about that same thing. Someone gave them that info. And it's hard copy, so it was likely airdropped?

Fax machine?


Can someone remind me how long they've been on the island? 6 or 7 weeks? Should be plenty of time for the Others to get names and request profiles I suppose.
At 2 days per episode and 17 episodes beyond "The Other 48 Days," I'd estimate about 82 days, give or take...

~Dan

The woman who shot the escaping Sawyer was Juliette. So, is where Jack is being kept next to where Sawyer's cage is? I find it difficult to believe that she is getting back and forth from some underwater facility to the zoo cages in that short of time.

Good call. Doesn't make sense she'd be that far away.

I love all the psycho-analyzers on the this board. Even if the episode is boring, coming here can make it seem entertaining.

For the record, I liked last night's episode.

After the first scene, was anyone else wondering when Patrick McGoohan would show up?

Nah, he's still stuck on the beach.

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They'll just make Jack change his tattoo so he can be the new Number Six.

RE ratings... Shows like Desperate HouseSluts and Gray Anonymity get pushed every damn commercial break. Non-stop., for weeks. I barely saw any LOST promos the last four weeks. It was very sporadic, so no doubt the show cannot get huge ratings. ABC just isn't pushing it enough.

When Jack is being bailed out of jail there are some wanted posters on the back wall as he walks out. One looks like a woman and one a man. I only have SD so when I paused I couldn't make anything out, anyone w/ HD able to make out the people on the posters? Kate maybe or Sawyer?

When Jack is being bailed out of jail there are some wanted posters on the back wall as he walks out. One looks like a woman and one a man. I only have SD so when I paused I couldn't make anything out, anyone w/ HD able to make out the people on the posters? Kate maybe or Sawyer?
Nah, neither of them were Kate or Sawyer. Sawyer technically was never a wanted man. There's another one with a profile on it that *might* be Kate, but even that's doubtful and you can't see the face.

So, did all of us miss any hidden references to the "numbers". They must have been in there somewhere, but I haven't seen them mentioned anywhere yet....

As for the question of the eyeball at the beginning, I assumed it was Juliette's... I too think she looks too much like Penny, it gets very confusing...

For a minute, I thought that a couple of the guys in the book club might have been the two guys from the polar monitoring station at the end of S2... but I think that was my mind being overactive... none seemed to have an accent of any detectable sort...

I paused it. I don't think it was either of them

[QUOTE=archiguy]Actually, considering the phenomenon that LOST has become and the blazing success of the S-1 (and now S-2) DVD sales, I don't think they're too concerned about bringing newbies into the fold. And there are so many other revenue streams attached to this show, more than any other on the tube, that ratings aren't that big a concern, either.

That said, I'm not sure I understand how, with all the hype this show generates, that it isn't among the highest rated shows on TV. Everybody I know not only watches it, but obsesses about it! I mean, if the woeful Desperate Housewives can draw 22 million, then LOST should be able to at least equal that.[/QUOTE

Ratings may not be a concern to Disney/ABC since they have various venues for Lost to generate cash. But an advertiser for the broadcast show doesn't share in those revenue streams. Since LOST doesn't get 22 million then I would hope their ad minutes sell for a lot less. It's got to be an unusual situation at the bargaining table when it comes to selling space.

While I know lots of faithful LOST viewers, I know just as many who didn't get involved from the start and have no inclination to catch up via DVD - mainly for the time investment that would take. They'd rather pass and find an interest in something else.

Mr. Friendly said that the bears figured out the cage puzzle in two hours. Was he referring to the polar bear that we saw in the first season?

Anyone got screencaps?
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Mr. Friendly said that the bears figured out the cage puzzle in two hours. Was he referring to the polar bear that we saw in the first season?

That's what I assumed.

RE ratings... Shows like Desperate HouseSluts and Gray Anonymity get pushed every damn commercial break. Non-stop., for weeks. I barely saw any LOST promos the last four weeks. It was very sporadic, so no doubt the show cannot get huge ratings. ABC just isn't pushing it enough.

I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or whether your drug dealer got some fresh stock.

The internet has been plastered with Lost reviews and ad banners for the past two weeks. Every disney owned network has been running Lost promos with the "find yourself" or "who are you" theme.

The fact of the matter is, serialized shows do not have an infinite shelf life -- this one is a very peculiar case, because unlike DH and Grey's, it is not designed to appeal mainly to women. There are some chinks in the armor, albeit very small.