Yes, Lost shoots interior scenes with faster (grainier) film than exterior scenes which have plenty of natural light. Now that you have HD, you're finally going to get to see all the grain you've been missing on telelvsion! :)

Sorry to disagree. There is no visible graininess or mosquito noise in the scenes mentioned. Consider having your set ISF calibrated. Believe me, when it (graininess) is supposed to be there, it's there. I personally ranted about the amount of it in Spielberg's "War of the Worlds" (DVD) where it was intended by the director, plainly visible and discussed at length on different forums (some liked it, some [myself included] didn't).

Mr. Friendly said that the bears figured out the cage puzzle in two hours. Was he referring to the polar bear that we saw in the first season?

ANd I assume the rather latrge "aquarium" that Jack is in is where the Dharma-tattooed shark from season 1 was raised.

And when Jack asked about it being for sharks, she said "dolphins too" which could bring an interesting element to future shows.

Anyone besides me have that damn song from the opening stuck in their head?

So the graininess in the dark scenes is expected? I'm fairly new to the HD world and while the outside shots looked great, the dark scenes had very high amounts of graininess/mosquito noise.

I'm viewing on a Samsung HL-S6187 DLP with HD cable.
Yes, film grain is to be expected on dark scenes. But excessive graininess/mosquito noise is likely a limitation of your display (DLP). I can make these scenes almost unwatchable by setting my brightness incorrectly (SXRD). Adjusting your picture settings with a setup disc and/or a professional calibration can minimize or possibly eliminate the display artifacts on dark scenes. Checkout the RPTV forum for more info.

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Yeah, my girlfriend and I were talking about that same thing. Someone gave them that info. And it's hard copy, so it was likely airdropped?



Fax machine?
Part of me hated the "Village" twist on the Others (because I hated "The Village"). I'm going to tune-out if it turns out that the Others have Verizon FIOS highspeed internet and printed out all that info. :rolleyes:

Actually, the door they managed to close was the one that led to the observing room, not the door out of which the water spilled. Agreed. But if water was actually still flowing into the hallway outside, they would have had a hell of a time trying to close that door - more evidence that Juliette has superhuman strength. ;)The button must have stopped the water from the source, so that while Jack was knocked out Juliette was able to drag him back to the holding cell and shut the hatch from which the water spilled.Or maybe the button did nothing and it was part of Jack's "conditioning".

On a different topic, I still wonder about the plane. It was asked earlier, but I haven't seen a plausible theory in response: What caused the plane to go off course long before the event caused by Desmond pushing the numbers late?

I'm going to have a hard time believing that Ben's group had anything to do with getting those specific passengers on the plane, given what we saw at the beginning of the episode (i.e., Ben's group did not appear to be expecting them). So they could not have complied the information about the passengers in advance. I also wonder how much information Ethan could have gathered (before he was discovered) that allowed this group to know which Jack Shepard, Kate (not her real name), and Sawyer (not his real name) were on the island. I'm going to tune-out if it turns out that the Others have Verizon FIOS highspeed internet and printed out all that info. :rolleyes: I doubt it was FIOS, because it hasn't been around that long and the LOST story is now taking place in the past (for us). But I'll bet there's a satellite dish at the top of one of the peaks.

There also did not appear to be any mechanism "controlling" the descent of the plane. So I think the writers are strengthening their position that we should just suspend disbelief and accept that these people just survived the crash. Unless, of course, there's another group on the island with the power to control an out-of-control airplane and limit the speed at which it impacts the water to allow that many survivors. Who knows?

Part of me hated the "Village" twist on the Others (because I hated "The Village"). I'm going to tune-out if it turns out that the Others have Verizon FIOS highspeed internet and printed out all that info. :rolleyes:

Why shouldn't the Others have outside world contact? Clearly from the supply drop in season 2, we have evidence that the Dharma Initiative is still active at some level - (if only as damage control.)

I think the area Jack was is probably is underwater. There could still be fast access to the surface by a simple elevator, or it could be just under the surface, so that the tanks can fill to sea level when they have fish in them.

I doubt they built that whole metal structure, and aged it, just to make Jack THINK he's underwater. The animal (and perhaps, people) cages are on land, and the fish tanks are on the water. That part of the story actually seems very straight forward.

But here's what I'm wondering:

The area Jack is in is the aquarium for sharks and dolphins, right? Why is there a communication box on the wall of an area designed to be filled with water and animals? I figure though that some of these things are just design elements for the story, and are never ment to be explained. But we will see..

-Beefshank

This is driving me crazy, anybody got a screen cap of Penny Whitmore? Her and Juliette look so much alike that I wanted to see her again but I can't find a pic of her anywhere.

Penny:

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Juliette:

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I think Jack was being held in the examination room for the sharks/dolphins. So it wouldn't be filled with water.

Or maybe the button did nothing and it was part of Jack's "conditioning".
No, you could tell from the look Juliette game the head guy at the end of the ep that something big has changed between them, because he left her to die with Jack. So when during the flood their lifes were in grvae danger and if they hadn't of managed to get back inside the observing room and close the door behind them they would have drowned. So I think it's safe to assume that pushing the button was also required for them to survive.

While we are led to assume Jack's background info comes from a source outside of the island, let's not forget the Black smoke "technology" that was able to "mirror" Eko's past.

I'm under the impression that Julliette was forced to do something that she didn't want to(crying).....and the book selection was a sort of rebellion.

Favorite line....

Mr. Friendly to Kate: "Now you really don't think i'm going to answer that [question], do you?"

Favorite line....

Mr. Friendly to Kate: "Now you really don't think i'm going to answer that [question], do you?"

That line was great, but I think I prefered, "You got yourself a fish Bisket!" It doesn't really help the story at all, but it sure was funny.

-Beefshank

So if Benry is the leader and so smart, how come Danielle was able to capture him in one of her "traps". Perhaps Danielle is not quite the crazy castaway we had thought.

So if Benry is the leader and so smart, how come Danielle was able to capture him in one of her "traps". Perhaps Danielle is not quite the crazy castaway we had thought.


He got caught on purpose.

On a different topic, I still wonder about the plane. It was asked earlier, but I haven't seen a plausible theory in response: What caused the plane to go off course long before the event caused by Desmond pushing the numbers late?

Already answered this above. It's not just plausibility, but what the pilot said. They were already way off course because of communication difficulties(they were going to land somewhere else) and passed close to the island when Desmond had his mishap.

That line was great, but I think I prefered, "You got yourself a fish Bisket!"
Last season we just had Sawyer. Now we have Sawyer AND Mr. Friendly's lines to look forward to!

It's not just plausibility, but what the pilot said. They were already way off course because of communication difficulties(they were going to land somewhere else) and passed close to the island when Desmond had his mishap.I guess I don't recall the pilot giving a reason for why they were off course. I do remember him saying that they were off course and that any searchers would be looking in the wrong area, but communications difficulties do not result in planes going off course. I doubt many trans-Pacific planes are constantly checking with some control tower to make sure they're going in the right direction.

GAKON [/QUOTE]On a different topic, I still wonder about the plane. It was asked earlier, but I haven't seen a plausible theory in response: What caused the plane to go off course long before the event caused by Desmond pushing the numbers late?[/QUOTE]



Walt did, with his special "powers" he never wanted to leave Australia. ;) :p

I guess I don't recall the pilot giving a reason for why they were off course. I do remember him saying that they were off course and that any searchers would be looking in the wrong area, but communications difficulties do not result in planes going off course. I doubt many trans-Pacific planes are constantly checking with some control tower to make sure they're going in the right direction.


The pilots CHOSE to change course for a different destination, as they didn't want to risk flying into LAX with no coms. I'm not sure why flying into some 3rd world airport would be any safer, but that's the decision they made.

The pilots knew where they were, but the outside world had no idea. The pilots had no way of communicating their course change to the outside world.

All this was pretty clearly spelled out in the pilot episode.

Last season we just had Sawyer. Now we have Sawyer AND Mr. Friendly's lines to look forward to!

Since Mr. Friendly told Kate she "wasn't his type" I kinda expected him to be eyeing up Sawyer...

The Big Question on 'Lost': Where'd the Audience Go?
By Lisa de Moraes Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, October 6, 2006; C07

Despite ABC's promise of more action and no reruns, a sizable chunk of viewers appear to have lost interest in "Lost."

Don't get seduced by the 18.8 million "Lost" drew for the debut of its third season on Wednesday -- that was about 5 million fewer viewers than the second-season opener. That's not what ABC hoped for.

The network noted that this season's first episode picked up where last season left off, and grew ratings-wise. But by the end of last season, "Lost" had misplaced nearly 6 million of the viewers who'd watched the season starter, and ABC suits were acknowledging they'd mishandled the show, letting too many reruns and plodding, head-scratching story lines drive away fans.

And let's not forget that last season's "Lost" finale, which clocked under 18 million viewers, faced the biggest "American Idol" finale ever, attracting more than 36 million viewers. This Wednesday, the season debut of "Lost" only faced a "House" rerun on Fox.

"You'll find a lot more happens this year in every episode than happened in all the episodes last year," show exec producer J.J. Abrams promised gushing TV critics in a phone call this week, while the show's other exec producers had promised Entertainment Weekly there would be much more "romance and action" this season.

And yet, yesterday morning, the raging debates on various "Lost" Web chats included the following (we cleaned up the typos for your reading convenience):

(a) which Stephen King novel Juliet and her book club were reading

(b) whether Juliet's name really was Juliet, given that she was heard being called Julie at least once, although, as one chatter noted, "upon re-listening it's hard to tell if [Benry] actually said 'Julia' instead of 'Juliette' but placed very little emphasis on the 'ette,' it could sound like an 'a' instead," adding, "I think this is gonna be one of those things that will be much debated and will divide the fandom."

and, our personal fave

(c) if an actress on the show appears to have had breast implants, does that mean the character also had breast implants and "if we are to assume that the character has breast implants are we to assume she got them ON the island or has she arrived on the island after having lived in the modern world?"

There was also a certain amount of Internet navel-gazing as to whether Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" "might have been an influence for this quasi-society that The Others have built and whether or not some of the technology that might be part of the Dharma Initiative acts as a visual forcefield to protect it from intruders . . . even radar."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501678_pf.html

Since Mr. Friendly told Kate she "wasn't his type" I kinda expected him to be eyeing up Sawyer...

As with most everything on this show, things are not always as they might initially seem. Could be that they've all been "neutered" and have no interest in that sort of thing altogether. Or maybe Zeke is just into polar bears. ;)

He got caught on purpose.

That would be my guess as well. He must have amazing recuperative powers to allow himself to go through all that just for the opportunity of casing the place from the inside. Wonder why he didn't just send one of his "team".

That would be my guess as well. He must have amazing recuperative powers to allow himself to go through all that just for the opportunity of casing the place from the inside. Wonder why he didn't just send one of his "team".

While the Others are undoubtedly aware of the existence of Danielle Rousseau (they took her daughter, after all), Benry probably didn't expect to get shot with an arrow. As to why he didn't send someone else, this was an important job and "if you want something done right.....".

As with most everything on this show, things are not always as they might initially seem. Could be that they've all been "neutered"... ;)

Hale-Bopp!

With regards to Jack's obession with his wifes' lover and Jack thinking that it might be his father, I'm wondering if that might still be a possibility. Last season we saw Jack's dad in Australia visiting a woman and it seemed like there was a girl who may have been his daughter. Could this girl have been from Jack's ex wife and Dad? Go to Australia and minimize an encounter with Jack? Is this farfetched?

While we are led to assume Jack's background info comes from a source outside of the island, let's not forget the Black smoke "technology" that was able to "mirror" Eko's past.

I'm under the impression that Julliette was forced to do something that she didn't want to(crying).....and the book selection was a sort of rebellion.

Favorite line....

Mr. Friendly to Kate: "Now you really don't think i'm going to answer that [question], do you?"

Zeke,aka Mr Friendly, told Kate that she wasn't his type. Not his type ? Is he gay or he just have a fondness for old ladies with sagging boobs?

The pilots CHOSE to change course for a different destination, as they didn't want to risk flying into LAX with no coms. I'm not sure why flying into some 3rd world airport would be any safer, but that's the decision they made.

The pilots knew where they were, but the outside world had no idea. The pilots had no way of communicating their course change to the outside world.

All this was pretty clearly spelled out in the pilot episode.

where did you come up with this assumption ? In season 1(or was it the pilot?) when the co-pilot is found in the cockpit he was surprised that they were off-course

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where did you come up with this assumption ? In season 1(or was it the pilot?) when the co-pilot is found in the cockpit he was surprised that they were off-course

From Episode #1.1 Script

PILOT: (panting) Six hours in, our radio went out. No one could see us. We
turned back to land in Fiji. By the time we hit turbulence, we were a thousand
miles off course. They're looking for us in the wrong place.

[LURK]

where did you come up with this assumption ? In season 1(or was it the pilot?) when the co-pilot is found in the cockpit he was surprised that they were off-course

Wrong. Watch it again.


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Never mind, someone was kind enough to post the transcript.

Zeke,aka Mr Friendly, told Kate that she wasn't his type. Not his type ? Is he gay or he just have a fondness for old ladies with sagging boobs?

I took the "not his type" comment at face value give the context of this show. The others are clearly "good" and those that they made a list and captured were "good". The implication that those left behind were "bad". Therefore Kate would not be his type since he considers himself to be "good" and she being "bad". I'm sure this good/bad profiling will be revealed in the storyline soon. But I seriously doubt it has anything to do with him being gay.

When Juliette asked Jack if there was anything he wanted to know about his ex-wife I thought for sure he would ask what the new guy's name was. He seemed so obsessed with finding out his name in all of the flashbacks. That surprised me. Maybe that means Jack has started to move on and doesn't think it's important anymore to know the identity of the man, but only whether his ex is happy with her new life.

Zeke,aka Mr Friendly, told Kate that she wasn't his type. Not his type ? Is he gay or he just have a fondness for old ladies with sagging boobs?


He told her that to make her feel more comforatable so she WOULD take a shower. Mr. Friendly then went to the control room, sat down at a 21" widescreen monitor, typed in his password, and watched Kate (hi-res hidden cameras in the shower room) take that shower :)

When Juliette asked Jack if there was anything he wanted to know about his ex-wife I thought for sure he would ask what the new guy's name was. He seemed so obsessed with finding out his name in all of the flashbacks. That surprised me. Maybe that means Jack has started to move on and doesn't think it's important anymore to know the identity of the man, but only whether his ex is happy with her new life.

Maybe he already found out, sometime between the flashback and the crash.

When Juliette asked Jack if there was anything he wanted to know about his ex-wife I thought for sure he would ask what the new guy's name was. He seemed so obsessed with finding out his name in all of the flashbacks. That surprised me. Maybe that means Jack has started to move on and doesn't think it's important anymore to know the identity of the man, but only whether his ex is happy with her new life.

When Jack asked if his ex was happy, I assumed 2 things (jumping to conclusions of course - why else do we watch this show):

1. Jack knows the name of the guy - to be found out in a future drama filled flashback

2. It wasn't Jack's dad she was messing around with, because if it was, he knows she would not be happy as his father is "dead".

2. It wasn't Jack's dad she was messing around with, because if it was, he knows she would not be happy as his father is "dead".

He already knew that much.

Originally Posted by NorthJersey
Zeke,aka Mr Friendly, told Kate that she wasn't his type. Not his type ? Is he gay or he just have a fondness for old ladies with sagging boobs?
Perhaps she is human while Mr Friendly has "progressed."

i still can't get over the fact that kate, who was just kidnapped, takes a shower while shes not even guarded and doesnt even look for a way to escape

The Big Question on 'Lost': Where'd the Audience Go?
By Lisa de Moraes Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, October 6, 2006; C07

Despite ABC's promise of more action and no reruns, a sizable chunk of viewers appear to have lost interest in "Lost."

Don't get seduced by the 18.8 million "Lost" drew for the debut of its third season on Wednesday -- that was about 5 million fewer viewers than the second-season opener. That's not what ABC hoped for.

The network noted that this season's first episode picked up where last season left off, and grew ratings-wise. But by the end of last season, "Lost" had misplaced nearly 6 million of the viewers who'd watched the season starter, and ABC suits were acknowledging they'd mishandled the show, letting too many reruns and plodding, head-scratching story lines drive away fans.

And let's not forget that last season's "Lost" finale, which clocked under 18 million viewers, faced the biggest "American Idol" finale ever, attracting more than 36 million viewers. This Wednesday, the season debut of "Lost" only faced a "House" rerun on Fox.

"You'll find a lot more happens this year in every episode than happened in all the episodes last year," show exec producer J.J. Abrams promised gushing TV critics in a phone call this week, while the show's other exec producers had promised Entertainment Weekly there would be much more "romance and action" this season.

And yet, yesterday morning, the raging debates on various "Lost" Web chats included the following (we cleaned up the typos for your reading convenience):

(a) which Stephen King novel Juliet and her book club were reading

(b) whether Juliet's name really was Juliet, given that she was heard being called Julie at least once, although, as one chatter noted, "upon re-listening it's hard to tell if [Benry] actually said 'Julia' instead of 'Juliette' but placed very little emphasis on the 'ette,' it could sound like an 'a' instead," adding, "I think this is gonna be one of those things that will be much debated and will divide the fandom."

and, our personal fave

(c) if an actress on the show appears to have had breast implants, does that mean the character also had breast implants and "if we are to assume that the character has breast implants are we to assume she got them ON the island or has she arrived on the island after having lived in the modern world?"

There was also a certain amount of Internet navel-gazing as to whether Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" "might have been an influence for this quasi-society that The Others have built and whether or not some of the technology that might be part of the Dharma Initiative acts as a visual forcefield to protect it from intruders . . . even radar."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501678_pf.htmlThis is a rather, uh, "interesting" article. I think we can assume Ms. Moraes is a non-LOST person in general. Seems to me she should have asked her question last season when it was more relevant news maybe? Looks like the numbers picked up right where they were at the end of last season. Even a bit higher. It seems to me that the core audience has probably stabilized somewhat, with most of the impatient types who don't want to wait for dangling answers, or those that didn't like the direction the show took, having dropped out over the course of last season. I also think some of those impatient people have found it's better for them to just wait until the DVD's come out so they can at least get some of their answers without having to wait week to week.

Not sure what her examples of forum posting topics have much to do with anything at all, except that the show does have a core of rabid, (and in some cases a bit bizarre), fans.

And since she brought it up in her article, I guess I wasn't imagining things... Did our favorite heroine seem a little, ehh, enhanced to anybody else when appearing in her breakfast dress for Ben? Was trying to figure if it was an actual change of if Ben just likes 'em a little "fuller" and told his minions to provide her with the appropriately padded garments maybe?

Last but not least, the "Oh, you got yourself a fish biscuit" line from Zeke was great. I busted right out on that one.


ron

especially her, she is always being curious and searching.

i still can't get over the fact that kate, who was just kidnapped, takes a shower while shes not even guarded and doesnt even look for a way to escape

I'm pretty sure she didn't try because she knew it would be pointless. I'm sure there were guards at the doors to prevent that, they just didn't show it.

My question is about the plane: the breakup they showed looked like it was at about 5,000 feet of altitude. Trans continental flights cruise in the 30-40k foot range. Poor job by the producers if this was overlooked.

I'm getting the sense that not all of the "others" are necessarily "on board" with the "agenda".

I wouldn't be suprised to see some of the others defect to the losties side and assist in overthrowning what seems to be a totalitarian regeme.

Alex for sure, probably Juliet, and maybe some of the other book club members. Not Mr. Friendly.

My question is about the plane: the breakup they showed looked like it was at about 5,000 feet of altitude. Trans continental flights cruise in the 30-40k foot range. Poor job by the producers if this was overlooked.

the plane was being pulled into the island by the electromagnet

it kept getting closer and closer to the ground until it broke up in the air

And since she brought it up in her article, I guess I wasn't imagining things... Did our favorite heroine seem a little, ehh, enhanced to anybody else when appearing in her breakfast dress for Ben? Was trying to figure if it was an actual change of if Ben just likes 'em a little "fuller" and told his minions to provide her with the appropriately padded garments maybe?


I don't think so, and I like to think I have a pretty good eye for such things. ;) Ms. Lilly was never a "carpenter's dream" after all; she looks about the same to me this year.

My question is about the plane: the breakup they showed looked like it was at about 5,000 feet of altitude. Trans continental flights cruise in the 30-40k foot range. Poor job by the producers if this was overlooked.

I took it as the producers lowering the altitude to a more "reasonable" survivable height. Adding in Ben's comment that "there could be survivors" gets them off the hook trying to explain all the survivors from the Pilot episode height (which was clearly much, much higher).

Plus we know that they were about 1000 miles off course - a few of those miles could have been vertical miles. ;)

the plane was being pulled into the island by the electromagnet

it kept getting closer and closer to the ground until it broke up in the air

The height of the plane bothered me at first too, but your explanation would fit with why there are survivors. For the last few seasons we had been assuming the plane was much higher in the air when the breakup occurred.

With regards to Jack's obession with his wifes' lover and Jack thinking that it might be his father, I'm wondering if that might still be a possibility. Last season we saw Jack's dad in Australia visiting a woman and it seemed like there was a girl who may have been his daughter. Could this girl have been from Jack's ex wife and Dad? Go to Australia and minimize an encounter with Jack? Is this farfetched?

Im pretty sure that the woman in Australia was Claires mom.

I'm sure the height of the plane for that shot was not nearly as significant as the fact that the general relationship between the camp and the plane was depicted in the scene.

Based on the extensive history of fudged details on this show, I wouldn't construe the scene to have accurately characterized the true height the plane at the time of breakup.

Nonetheless, a lower "survivable" height makes a lot of sense.

I thought the plane was at cruising altitude and made a sudden drop (remember everyone flying up) then there was a loss of pressure (the masks came down) and the pilots lost control as they were lowering to a breathable altitude.

I don't know how they managed to help Jack close that door when his underwater vault started flooding, but I don't think anybody could've closed a door against the amount of water they showed flooding through there. On the input side the water was deep enough to float them and in the room they fell into it was still quite shallow. The pressure differential on that door would've been incredible, so Jack being able to close the door looked very unrealistic to me. Anybody else think the same?

The whole idea is that magnetic force brought the plane down. It could have pulled the plane to a lower altitude and then other forces caused it to break apark.

I don't know how they managed to help Jack close that door when his underwater vault started flooding, but I don't think anybody could've closed a door against the amount of water they showed flooding through there. On the input side the water was deep enough to float them and in the room they fell into it was still quite shallow. The pressure differential on that door would've been incredible, so Jack being able to close the door looked very unrealistic to me. Anybody else think the same?Yes, not even with the two of them could it have been done. Unless of course it was special Darma-Lite, low pressure water... Did not bother me, but I personally thought that was more of a non-reality thing than the single punch dropping Jack.


ron

Last but not least, the "Oh, you got yourself a fish biscuit" line from Zeke was great. I busted right out on that one.

Great line! And then the one about the bears. Just the right amount of humor in this show.

the plane was being pulled into the island by the electromagnet

it kept getting closer and closer to the ground until it broke up in the air

Best explanation I've seen so far (out of what seems to be about a thousand previous posts speculating about this). I like it.

I'm sure the height of the plane for that shot was not nearly as significant as the fact that the general relationship between the camp and the plane was depicted in the scene.

Based on the extensive history of fudged details on this show, I wouldn't construe the scene to have accurately characterized the true height the plane at the time of breakup.

Nonetheless, a lower "survivable" height makes a lot of sense.

"accurately characterized the true height the plane"????

Remember that the whole show is actually fiction. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Remember that the whole show is actually fiction. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yeah, the problem with a show that gives you so much to think about and pick apart... is that we spend too much time thinking about it and picking it apart that we often forget to sit back and simply enjoy it.

I don't know how they managed to help Jack close that door when his underwater vault started flooding, but I don't think anybody could've closed a door against the amount of water they showed flooding through there. On the input side the water was deep enough to float them and in the room they fell into it was still quite shallow. The pressure differential on that door would've been incredible, so Jack being able to close the door looked very unrealistic to me. Anybody else think the same?
not even with the two of them could it have been done. Unless of course it was special Darma-Lite, low pressure water...
Maybe the water on the other side wasn't the whole ocean... maybe it was just a larger swim tank/aquarium for the sharks.... they could be in a smaller interior chamber used to isolate animals during pregnancy, medical care, etc. Could he close the door if the water on the other side was the volume of a swimming pool sized tank?

the plane was being pulled into the island by the electromagnet

it kept getting closer and closer to the ground until it broke up in the air
Best explanation I've seen so far (out of what seems to be about a thousand previous posts speculating about this). I like it.

Yeah, this was what I posted on 9-27-04: ;)

I think it's the monster that's causing the planes to crash. Maybe the monster is actually a giant electro-magnetic device pulling planes to the island. :D

Best explanation I've seen so far (out of what seems to be about a thousand previous posts speculating about this). I like it.
Except there's very little stuff in the plane that would be attracted to it.

He got caught on purpose.
Yeah, but he also almost got killed. That's a pretty big gamble and, dare I say, not a very smart one. I think that shows the Others -- despite their apparent superiority -- are not infallible.

Maybe the water on the other side wasn't the whole ocean...I hope the whole ocean wasn't going to really rush in....otherwise the doors couldn't possibly be shut against such pressure. And why weren't there any oxygen tanks for such an emergency? Jack seemed to think fake henry was BS'in, and appearently he was......or was he?

The pressure on the door is not created by the volume of water. It is created by the depth (weight) of water. If the door was only a few feet below water, the pressure wouldn't be that much. Every 33 feet down, adds one atmosphere of pressure.

How does a ship made of wood like the Black Rock end up in the middle of the island? Something more than simple magentic forces at work.

The pressure on the door is not created by the volume of water. It is created by the depth (weight) of water. If the door was only a few feet below water, the pressure wouldn't be that much. Every 33 feet down, adds one atmosphere of pressure.You're right - the pressure on the door isn't based on the volume of water behind it, but in this case a few feet of water creates a significant force. The density of water at about 55 degrees is just over 62 pounds per cubic foot (salt water is just a little greater). Just the weight of the water within the first foot of a 2-foot wide door and three feet deep would be almost 400 pounds. The force on the door would be considerably greater than that because of the speed of the water rushing into the room and how quickly Jack was closing it. The effort Jack would've had to exert to close the door would be much more than that required to hold back 6 cubic feet of water. Anybody who's ever tried surfing would have a great appreciation for how much power is in even a fairly small surface area of water.

How does a ship made of wood like the Black Rock end up in the middle of the island? Something more than simple magentic forces at work.Maybe a Tsunami?

I was thinking about the choice of Carrie for the book club, and how the guy Adam disparaged it so much, saying in the opening it was "popcorn" and that Ben wouldn't even read it in the bathroom. Juliette then defends it vigorously as her favorite book, then the earthquake occurs.

Carrie was about a young girl with telekinetic powers. I'm not sure if Adam's dislike is based on the writing or on the subject; since the Others just had and then let go of Walt, it makes me wonder.

I was thinking about the choice of Carrie for the book club, and how the guy Adam disparaged it so much, saying in the opening it was "popcorn" and that Ben wouldn't even read it in the bathroom. Juliette then defends it vigorously as her favorite book, then the earthquake occurs.

Carrie was about a young girl with telekinetic powers. I'm not sure if Adam's dislike is based on the writing or on the subject; since the Others just had and then let go of Walt, it makes me wonder.

Telekinesis powers of the younglings !! It is starting to make sense now.. They herd a bunch of younglings and make them pull planes outta the sky :D

How does a ship made of wood like the Black Rock end up in the middle of the island? Something more than simple magentic forces at work.

There was still a good bit of iron in those old ships - nails, straps, cannons, etc...

How does a ship made of wood like the Black Rock end up in the middle of the island? Something more than simple magentic forces at work.
My vote is the island is/was volcanic. The ship 'beached' a few hundred years ago and the island grew around it (?).
*shrugs*

Telekinesis powers of the younglings !! It is starting to make sense now.. They herd a bunch of younglings and make them pull planes outta the sky :D


:) Well, whatever they were doing, they sure couldn't control Walt very well. At least, that's what it seemed like.

Juliette's knockout punch was the most unbelievable moment of the episode for me. (Unless of course those crafty Lost writers will work her superhuman strength into the story a couple of seasons from now. )

If she was in water up to her waist she would not be able to generate knock-out power. (No legs = no power)

Come on. Jack was exhausted and broken and on the verge of collapse as it was. It really wouldn't take much to knock him unconscious since he was almost to that state anyway. I would agree that it was unbelievable if Jack were his normal self. But he was very weak from lack of food, water and the dart poison.

The only thing ABC can do is what it's doing -- stop all the reruns and preemptions midseason. If they'd done that last year, they might not have had the dropoff.



It takes 14-18 days to produce one episode. Tell me how they can stop the reruns and preemptions midseason? How do that do that? Personally, I'm amazed that they can do what they do. But if they start filming in July, they would only get 4-6 episodes filmed before the season starts on TV. Time will soon catch up with them before they MUST have a lull in order to get ahead again.

Maybe you can come up with a different schedule?

It takes 14-18 days to produce one episode. Tell me how they can stop the reruns and preemptions midseason? How do that do that?

The way they are doing it this season - have a 6 week miniseries and then wait to start the show back until Feb when it can run uninterrupted like 24 does.

ABC really came close to killing Lost last year with it's 1 new show, 2 reruns scheduling.

Where is Hurly? Last season's finale is a bit hazy but I thought that he was one of the 5 that went to attack the others.

The way they are doing it this season - have a 6 week miniseries and then wait to start the show back until Feb when it can run uninterrupted like 24 does.

ABC really came close to killing Lost last year with it's 1 new show, 2 reruns scheduling.

I think ABC dropped the ball, and honestly, I think Lost will wind up getting a major reduction in funding, maybe forcing them to abandon shooting in Hawaii and maybe dropping the size of the cast & extras. There was a dropoff in viewers for the Season opener, and I suspect there will be another drop after the break.
When the season is over, I suspect ABC will have a real issue with Lost's ratings.
It really bothers me because I think the show's creators intended to tell the story over a 6-7 season arc, and I just don't see that panning out.
I know I'll get flamed for suggesting that this might happen, and hope I'm wrong, but it's going exactly as I thought it would after last season.

Where is Hurly? Last season's finale is a bit hazy but I thought that he was one of the 5 that went to attack the others.
The Others left him go and sent him back to tell the rest not to come back looking for Kate, Jack and Sawyer.

Anybody else at least a little bit surprised that we didn't see Ms. Klugh in this first EP? Maybe she is off in another part of the commune with the kids? Or maybe they are in a separate place altogether?

The way they are doing it this season - have a 6 week miniseries and then wait to start the show back until Feb when it can run uninterrupted like 24 does.

ABC really came close to killing Lost last year with it's 1 new show, 2 reruns scheduling.

I think the two "blocks" of shows is a better approach. But unless you do a "24" approach where you have a good six months of shooting before airing any episodes, there WILL be some kind of a "lull" during the season. I think the "block approach" is good for a serial series where continuity is very important.

Personally, I think an "optimal" length for a series of this nature is around 5-6 seasons. This third season is extremely important. Either fans will get tired of it and lose interest, or it will forward the plotline and keep interest. For LOST to survive until its natural end, they need to hold the viewers that have a vested interest.

This type of series is not good for ADDING new viewers. I know the producers and the network have tried by airing episodes and specials that recap the whole plot from the beginning -- a, kind-of, crash course in LOST. But people who watch for the first time will obviously be very . . . lost. (forgive the pun). Believe me, someone who hasn't watched seasons 1 & 2 will not be the least bit interested in starting to watch LOST this year.

Because of that, this series must keep their core viewership from the past two seasons. They can only LOSE viewers -- not gain. If it makes it to season 5 or 6, it will be interesting to see just how many of their core viewers are still watching at that point. It is very predictable that viewership will go down each season from now on. The question is: how far will the network allow viewership to slide before pulling the plug?

I would love to have LOST designed for 5 seasons and make it all the way there with a strong plot, characterization and story for all 5 seasons, and end on top. That would be great. But I already see some signs that viewership is dropping some. It would certainly be a shame if they had to cut the "plan" short and we never had a good resolution to the series.

Anybody else at least a little bit surprised that we didn't see Ms. Klugh in this first EP? Maybe she is off in another part of the commune with the kids? Or maybe they are in a separate place altogether?

There was one brief glimpse, but, no, I'm not surprised. You can only spread so thin. They were already stretching it by covering Kate, Jack, and Sawyer in one episode. They need to keep focus. There were many episodes last year where characters were completely missing for several episodes in a row.

They need to keep focus. There were many episodes last year where characters were completely missing for several episodes in a row.
Not to mention they need to keep the payroll down...

On the ratings issue, I'm not as worried. I'm sure there are more DVR viewers than last season's premiere and, until I see the ratings that include DVR, I'm not going to panic.

Me neither. Plus they make a fortune on DVD sales.

But ricwhite makes some very good points. Those heartless bastards at the network could chop 'em off at the knees without warning if a new game show skewed better.

In many ways I think Kate has been a bit of a disappointment the last season or so. She seems much less powerful and less important now than she did in season 1. In her flash backs she was a dangerous, competant, bad a$$ character. But recently they have had her get kidnapped, foolishly trigger a trap, and generally have to be taken care of. I'd rather they gave her her superpowers back. I think she is being marginalized and that somewhat annoys me.

- Tom

Jack's character has been fleshed out to be quite a hardened and abusive character. His obsessive/compulsive tendencies have certainly gotten in the way of his relationships -- especially with his father and his wife. I thought the flashback with Jack suspecting his father as his wife's lover showed Jack as very irrational and abusive. I'm sure Jack feels a tad responsible for his father's death since his father was doing quite well until Jack became very emotionally abusive toward his father and he turned back to the bottle for escape.

I think ABC dropped the ball, and honestly, I think Lost will wind up getting a major reduction in funding, maybe forcing them to abandon shooting in Hawaii and maybe dropping the size of the cast & extras. There was a dropoff in viewers for the Season opener, and I suspect there will be another drop after the break.
When the season is over, I suspect ABC will have a real issue with Lost's ratings.

The thing is that Lost generates a lot of residual income for the network and production studio beyond its commerical advertisers. There are iTunes downloads and DVD sales, board games, calendars, tie-in books, and other assorted merchandise.

The first-run broadcast ratings might not be as high as they used to be, which may require them to lower their advertising rates for the show, but the network is still making plenty of money off it, more than enough to justify its continued production.

With DVRs and internet downloads and eventual DVD sales, we're moving into an entirely new TV environment where the traditional method of calculating ratings just isn't accurate anymore. It's going to be difficult for the networks to move beyond the old ways of thinking, but the more forward-planning of them will realize the income potential of series whose initial ratings may seem disappointing.

Hollywood movies make more money on DVD than they do in theaters these days. The theatrical release is essentially just an advertising campaign for the real event when the DVD comes out. Likewise, we're seeing a similar pattern emerge with TV shows. Networks will have to learn to plan accordingly.

I think ABC dropped the ball, and honestly, I think Lost will wind up getting a major reduction in funding, maybe forcing them to abandon shooting in Hawaii and maybe dropping the size of the cast & extras. There was a dropoff in viewers for the Season opener, and I suspect there will be another drop after the break.
When the season is over, I suspect ABC will have a real issue with Lost's ratings.
It really bothers me because I think the show's creators intended to tell the story over a 6-7 season arc, and I just don't see that panning out.
I know I'll get flamed for suggesting that this might happen, and hope I'm wrong, but it's going exactly as I thought it would after last season.The most common issue that people (I know at least) complain about regarding Lost is there are too many open-ended story lines and too few of them seem to get resolved.

PILOT: (panting) Six hours in, our radio went out. No one could see us. We turned back to land in Fiji. By the time we hit turbulence, we were a thousand miles off course. They're looking for us in the wrong place.[LURK]Thanks for clearing that up.

Anyone besides me have that damn song from the opening stuck in their head?
Yes.

"Downtown" by Petula Clark

~Dan

When Juliette asked Jack if there was anything he wanted to know about his ex-wife I thought for sure he would ask what the new guy's name was. He seemed so obsessed with finding out his name in all of the flashbacks. That surprised me. Maybe that means Jack has started to move on and doesn't think it's important anymore to know the identity of the man, but only whether his ex is happy with her new life.
Yes, Jack asked the "correct" question.

~Dan

It takes 14-18 days to produce one episode. Tell me how they can stop the reruns and preemptions midseason? How do that do that? Personally, I'm amazed that they can do what they do. But if they start filming in July, they would only get 4-6 episodes filmed before the season starts on TV. Time will soon catch up with them before they MUST have a lull in order to get ahead again.

Maybe you can come up with a different schedule?
I already did, last season.

See here: Production Schedule (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7356989#post7356989)

~Dan

I already did, last season.

See here: Production Schedule (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7356989#post7356989)

~Dan

Nice effort. The logistics wouldn't quite work though. The tasks and personnel overlap for each stage of the operation. In other words, writers are used even during filming. Actors are used in post production (heavily) for voice overs. Directors are used in EVERY step of the production -- writing, filming and post production. Etc, etc. In order for your scheduling scheme to work, you'd need each stage to work concurrently with the other stages. That can't happen in reality. No way. But on paper it looks good.

In order for your scheduling scheme to work, you'd need each stage to work concurrently with the other stages. That can't happen in reality. No way. But on paper it looks good.
Well, the point is, is that the production schedule isn't necessarily sequential...that's why it doesn't take 96 weeks to make 24 episodes.

~Dan

In many ways I think Kate has been a bit of a disappointment the last season or so. She seems much less powerful and less important now than she did in season 1. In her flash backs she was a dangerous, competant, bad a$$ character. But recently they have had her get kidnapped, foolishly trigger a trap, and generally have to be taken care of. I'd rather they gave her her superpowers back. I think she is being marginalized and that somewhat annoys me.

- Tom
Pretty much everyone has lost their edge since the Others appeared. Locke used to be a bad ass hunter, and now look at him. Jack used to be the undisputed leader and now look at him. Sawyer's pretty much the same, but who knows what will happen after the 2 weeks are up.

I pretty much count on Sawyer being the biggest pain in the ass the Others have ever seen. Give him time, he'll make some mischief.
We still have Sayyid to deal with. When it comes down it, Sayyid is a pretty badass enemy really. If he gets ahold of one of the Others and doesn't have any restraints placed on him, he will find out everything that's going on pretty quick.

I really would like to see Sayyid get a hold of Henry (or whatever his name is) and take another crack at him.

My theory on why Kate looks so upset near the end of the episode.

They burned her clothes. Was she carrying the little toy plane that she cared so much about in earlier shows? She could be upset about loosing that.

My theory on why Kate looks so upset near the end of the episode.

They burned her clothes. Was she carrying the little toy plane that she cared so much about in earlier shows? She could be upset about loosing that.

We already saw her reaction after they told her they burned her clothes and her reaction was nothing like what we saw at the end of the program. No, something else happened. She IS of child-bearing age, right? hmm. . . The others have this thing for children, right? hmm. . .

We already saw her reaction after they told her they burned her clothes and her reaction was nothing like what we saw at the end of the program. No, something else happened. She IS of child-bearing age, right? hmm. . . The others have this thing for children, right? hmm. . .

Good point. I'm going to need to watch that again. I couldn't remember when she started looking upset, but the toy plane thing popped into my head this morning.

The rape / insemination scenario is something I can buy as well. As someone else noted, the marks on her arm would suggest some struggling while handcuffed.

Personally, I think an "optimal" length for a series of this nature is around 5-6 seasons. This third season is extremely important. Either fans will get tired of it and lose interest, or it will forward the plotline and keep interest. For LOST to survive until its natural end, they need to hold the viewers that have a vested interest.

This type of series is not good for ADDING new viewers. I know the producers and the network have tried by airing episodes and specials that recap the whole plot from the beginning -- a, kind-of, crash course in LOST. But people who watch for the first time will obviously be very . . . lost. (forgive the pun). Believe me, someone who hasn't watched seasons 1 & 2 will not be the least bit interested in starting to watch LOST this year.

Because of that, this series must keep their core viewership from the past two seasons. They can only LOSE viewers -- not gain. If it makes it to season 5 or 6, it will be interesting to see just how many of their core viewers are still watching at that point. It is very predictable that viewership will go down each season from now on. The question is: how far will the network allow viewership to slide before pulling the plug?

I would love to have LOST designed for 5 seasons and make it all the way there with a strong plot, characterization and story for all 5 seasons, and end on top. That would be great. But I already see some signs that viewership is dropping some. It would certainly be a shame if they had to cut the "plan" short and we never had a good resolution to the series.

Those of us who visit AVS Forum are enthusiasts and early adopters. We are much more likely to have a DVR, high speed internet, iPod, etc. that allows some flexibility in following a serialized show. But the vast majority of the audience does not.

By their very nature, serialized shows will slowly lose viewers, and shows with good "buzz" that neatly wrap up their storyline within an episode will grow.

If anything, the availability of programming on the internet and eventually VOD will help overcome this handicap. In the meantime, a "Lost" marathon on a cable network with multiple opportunities to catch each episode would accomplish a couple of things.

It would expose a whole new audience to the show, stimulate even more DVD sales for those who catch the bug and don't want to wait to get up to date, and squeeze even more revenue out of the show while it's still hot.

"Lost" reruns on a SciFi Channel or ABC Family at this point in it's run would be valueable to the show and to the cable network. After the show has had it's full run, it will have little rerun value at all. These types of shows never do.

Good point. I'm going to need to watch that again. I couldn't remember when she started looking upset, but the toy plane thing popped into my head this morning.

The rape / insemination scenario is something I can buy as well. As someone else noted, the marks on her arm would suggest some struggling while handcuffed.


Upon further review of the TiVo - the theory stands.

At breakfast with Benry, Kate asks where her clothes are and that is when she is informed that they were burned. So it is obvious she is concerned about her clothes and it is soon after that she appears upset. Of course we could assume she is upset about the 2 hard weeks ahead, but I think the fact that she asks about the clothes might be a bit of foreshadowing on Kate's story line.

Just a theory, proposed for banter sake.

The rape / insemination scenario is something I can buy as well. As someone else noted, the marks on her arm would suggest some struggling while handcuffed.

The rape theory is extrapolating things way too far, IMO. If she'd just been raped, she wouldn't have been quite as sociable to Sawyer after they locked her in the opposite cage.

The marks on her wrists could have just been caused by them dragging her from the beach to the zoo by the handcuffs.

If anything, the availability of programming on the internet and eventually VOD will help overcome this handicap. In the meantime, a "Lost" marathon on a cable network with multiple opportunities to catch each episode would accomplish a couple of things.

It would expose a whole new audience to the show, stimulate even more DVD sales for those who catch the bug and don't want to wait to get up to date, and squeeze even more revenue out of the show while it's still hot.

"Lost" reruns on a SciFi Channel or ABC Family at this point in it's run would be valueable to the show and to the cable network. After the show has had it's full run, it will have little rerun value at all. These types of shows never do.

I agree, and at the same time I though ABC dropped the ball earlier this summer, passed up a golden opportunity to increase the value of their franchise. Summer is usually pretty stagnant, mostly reruns etc. I though ABC should have not only replayed the entire 2nd season, I think a huge Season 1&2 marathon would have been a great move, along with a bit of media blitz: watch the show everyone's talking about, starting with episode 1!
Show the pilot 2-3 times in one week, then starting the next week show one episode a night, total of around 40 nights if you take out recap shows.
It may sound crazy, but look at the crap they put on in the summer, and look at the ratings it gets! It's not like they are throwing valuable air time away. It could have been their one shot to recapture the full 'Lost' audience and maybe even steal some viewers away from 'American Idol'.

The rape theory is extrapolating things way too far, IMO.

And, of course, nothing has been "extrapolated" too far on LOST. :D

There are some clues, however. Only Kate got new clothing and it was an open dress to make her more "lady-like." Kate was told that things will get much worse for her the next two weeks. Kate looked like she'd been violated when put in the cage. We know that the "others" have a fixation on children.

We already saw what they were willing to do to Claire -- even to go as far as surgically remove her baby and kill her. We also know they kidnaped Walt and now Sun is pregnant.

And now you're saying that inseminating Kate is going "too far"? LOL Okey-dokey.

I know the impregnation theory is rather harsh, but based upon what we know about the "others", don't you think it fits their MO? Doesn't that sound like something the "others" would do? It may not be a correct theory, but it certainly wouldn't "surprise" me if the others did something like that.

For all the other's fixation on kids there sure don't seem to be many running around. Wonder where they are?

- Tom

For all the other's fixation on kids there sure don't seem to be many running around. Wonder where they are?

- Tom

Long since eaten with some fava beans and a nice chianti. ;)

I really would like to see Sayyid get a hold of Henry (or whatever his name is) and take another crack at him.Man, he's gonna go Wolverine; I just know it :eek:.
*schnick!*

Long since eaten with some fava beans and a nice chianti. ;)

To Serve Man (alien cookbook title) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man)

- Tom

To Serve Man (alien cookbook title) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man)

- Tom


Maybe that's why they wanted Walt, for his telepathy. Course, you'd think they'd be feeding Sawyer more than fish biscuits. :D

Long since eaten with some fava beans and a nice chianti. ;)
Naw, you'd drink a Chardonnay when eating children. They aren't old enough to have developed any flavor, so a chianti would mask their taste.




...I'm kidding, really. I don't want anyone to think I'm that creepy. ;)

Maybe that's why they wanted Walt, for his telepathy. Course, you'd think they'd be feeding Sawyer more than fish biscuits. :D

Or making him drink a lot of milk and providing him with frequent massages to keep him tender....




...OK, maybe I do have a bit of creepy in me, after all. ;)

Naw, you'd drink a Chardonnay when eating children. They aren't old enough to have developed any flavor, so a chianti would mask their taste.




...I'm kidding, really. I don't want anyone to think I'm that creepy. ;)

Too late Dexter :-)

Too late Dexter :-)
LOL.

Or making him drink a lot of milk and providing him with frequent massages to keep him tender....




...OK, maybe I do have a bit of creepy in me, after all. ;)

Man, you're CREEPY! :D

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...I'm kidding, really. I don't want anyone to think I'm that creepy. ;)[/QUOTE]


LOL.

Jeez, it's only Sunday, we have half a week to go...

Good point. I'm going to need to watch that again. I couldn't remember when she started looking upset, but the toy plane thing popped into my head this morning.

The rape / insemination scenario is something I can buy as well. As someone else noted, the marks on her arm would suggest some struggling while handcuffed.
those marks on her wrist weren't from her new bracelets rubbing against her skin, she was given some "test" while she was hanging somewhere. That would be the only reason for such deep bruises so fast.

I watched the episode again today. With this show always record because you might miss something. Here are questions for the goup
1) Sawyer is smarter than 2 bears or at least 2 bears, but it just took him longer. How many bears do we thing were in these cages? are we talking the polar bears?
2) Ben claimed Kate will have a very hard two weeks. Medical test like what was done to walt? or do you people really beleive they are perverts too?
3) Juliet Knocked out jack with one punch because he was drugged tired and had no food for as long as this time line between abduction to season 3 start is. It can happen, But why did she wait untill he was awake to feed him the second time? and Ben leaving Juliette to die. Is he that mad about not being invited to the book club? Or is he a cold killer?
4) We know next episode will focus on Hurley getting back and Said still trying to get back from the other camp on the boat. Any predictions?

As for the ratings, don't worry yet. It is still to early worry, we still watch it plus another 18+mil people. That is a lot of people in an age where 30 mil viewers is a thing of the past. AI is only show to make that in past 2 years. 18+mil is the best ratings since January. That means that people did come back for the season premiere. sure it 5+ mil drop off from last season premiere but people did come back and the true tale would be this weeks ratings. It has the MLB LCS against it but we will see if they are able to retain their premiere numbers. No repeat and more story should equal better if not same ammount of veiwers.
Plus remember ABC gives you so many other ways to view it now Neilsen ratings aren't a true determining factor for shows anymore. lets say for arguments sakes 1 mil watch on abc.com and another 500000 dowload at Itunes or somewhere like that. This makes ABC smile more then the 18 mil for the broadcast.
Lost will make the 5-6 seasons the writers envisioned.

1) I think it's clear that the bears, whatever their numbers, were smarter than Sawyer. Sawyer speaks English - he got multiple warnings in English from the mechanism, and the other prisoner - yet he still got shocked. Unless the mechanism can also speak "bear", it seems Sawyer had the advantage. If the bear can understand English, then the bears still enjoy an intellectual advantage.

Then again, we don't know if Sawyer can speak bear. ;)

that does answer the question 1. I don't think sawyer speaks BEAR. But now he knows how not to get shocked into the face. GOOD SAWYER GOOD!!!

I missed it the first time I watched this episode, but when I watched the playback, I noticed that the second time when Jack moved to put his back up against the wall (0:59), his head is distorted but not his torso.

Anyone else pick up on this?

It could be that it was just a result of the camera shooting through the glass wall (or maybe where two panes of glass are seamed together). But it looked very strange, sort of like there were two out-of-focus Jacks on one body.

damm you now I have to rewind

Plus remember ABC gives you so many other ways to view it now Neilsen ratings aren't a true determining factor for shows anymore. lets say for arguments sakes 1 mil watch on abc.com and another 500000 dowload at Itunes or somewhere like that. This makes ABC smile more then the 18 mil for the broadcast.
Lost will make the 5-6 seasons the writers envisioned.

Hope you're right.
Did anyone else get the feeling that Juliette and Benry (Ben, Henry) were once married? Her crying in the mirror, trying to put on a good face, him no longer coming to the bookclub meeting. It felt like it was her first attempt to host the meeting after years of perhaps her husband, Benry, hosting it. That older women seemed like she was being 'supportive' in the way people do after either a death or a divorce. Or maybe her husband just died, and Benry used to be co-leader with him?
There was definitely a sense that seeing Benry was somehow hard and painful for her, and that she was moving on with life, that type of thing.

Hope you're right.
Did anyone else get the feeling that Juliette and Benry (Ben, Henry) were once married? Her crying in the mirror, trying to put on a good face, him no longer coming to the bookclub meeting. It felt like it was her first attempt to host the meeting after years of perhaps her husband, Benry, hosting it. That older women seemed like she was being 'supportive' in the way people do after either a death or a divorce. Or maybe her husband just died, and Benry used to be co-leader with him?
There was definitely a sense that seeing Benry was somehow hard and painful for her, and that she was moving on with life, that type of thing.

Maybe she was once married to Goodwin or Ethan?

Maybe she was once married to Goodwin or Ethan?


Actually I already suggested the Benry, Juliette breakup above. I don't think her tears would have been for Goodwin or Ethan, they were still alive at the time of that particular breakdown. (just before the plane crashed)

Although, it was Ethan working in the crawl space beneath her house. However, I agree that it was likely that Benry and Juliette were involved somehow.

Hope you're right.
Did anyone else get the feeling that Juliette and Benry (Ben, Henry) were once married? Her crying in the mirror, trying to put on a good face, him no longer coming to the bookclub meeting. It felt like it was her first attempt to host the meeting after years of perhaps her husband, Benry, hosting it. That older women seemed like she was being 'supportive' in the way people do after either a death or a divorce. Or maybe her husband just died, and Benry used to be co-leader with him?
There was definitely a sense that seeing Benry was somehow hard and painful for her, and that she was moving on with life, that type of thing.
if that is true, how F@#$% up it is? that he tried to kill her by closing the door before she got there.

3) Juliet Knocked out jack with one punch because he was drugged tired and had no food for as long as this time line between abduction to season 3 start is. It can happen, But why did she wait untill he was awake to feed him the second time?

The point of that wasn't to get the food to Jack, but to condition Jack to follow her instructions without resisting.

and Ben leaving Juliette to die. Is he that mad about not being invited to the book club? Or is he a cold killer?

The whole event was staged for Jack's benefit so that he'll start to trust Juliette (the "good cop" to Ben's "bad cop").

I don't think so, How could he be so sure they would be able to get to the other door in time and press that button? I don't think that was planned he left her. There is a past between them. Not a good one either.

I don't think so, How could he be so sure they would be able to get to the other door in time and press that button? I don't think that was planned he left her. There is a past between them. Not a good one either.

Well, I find it hard to accept that if that wasn't somehow staged, that Juliette would be so calm in the hallway at the end. "Nice work, Juliette." "Thank you, Ben." No mention of "You almost let me die you SOB??"

This is true, forgot about that little meeting she didn't exactly smile either. He is the leader so maybe she is scared of him. If you are afraid you aren't exactly going to call him names if he could end up locking you up and beat you like that boy was. Remember when Mr Friendly got yelled at for not having his mask on. He looked scared also. Just something to think about.

By Tim Goodman San Francisco Chronicle in his TV blog “The Bastard Machine”

“… "Lost," the show that essentially set off this industry wide love affair with the (serial) genre - where one story is told over the course of 22 episodes and demands viewer loyalty - was itself off by 5 million viewers when Season 3 debuted on Wednesday.

Five million viewers is a lot of blood on the floor. ABC can spin that how it wants - possibly saying there's just more good shows demanding more attention from viewers and a fall-off is a natural occurence - but that still leaves the network down 5 mil. Period.

Now, one of the reasons that "Lost" has taken a dive - despite the not-very-well-publicized comments from the producers that they would answer more questions this season - some people are just tired of too much mythology and not enough answers. And so they gave up. Secondly, see the above paragraph. It's true: More and better - that's the TV landscape. Now, there's not many network shows in this genre that are better than "Lost," but it was just a matter of time before some people gave up the ghost and quit or got sidetracked by another serial drama.

What that means: Bad things. All around. I mean, it's not a definitive death knell, but it wouldn't be too surprising to say that the beginning of the end has started. If "Lost" is losing viewers and "Smith" is dead and "Kidnapped" and others are drifting hopelessly, what more proof does the industry need? The overkill is killing viewers.

And now it looks like a good move by ABC at the time - one meant to appease loyal "Lost" fans - could really backfire: The network is going to take "Lost" off the schedule after seven episodes and replace it with ANOTHER serialized drama, "Day Break." Initially, that was meant to cut way back on those annoying "Lost" reruns that fans complained about. With "Day Break" - a pretty good little thriller with Taye Diggs playing a cop caught in a sort of "Groundhog Day" loop - airing for 13 weeks, it would allow "Lost" to return and run uninterrupted.

Now? What if 5 million more people don't come back?

Could be a great time to launch a sitcom. Just to ease the burden. In fact, ABC is going to do just that in November. It's called "Big Day." And it's a serialized sitcom.

Lord help us."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/indexn?blogid=24

That 5 million figure is taken from the season premiere of season 2 versus the premiere of season 3. But the ratings for the season premier of season 3 were actually higher than the season finale of 2, so all the viewers were lost, no pun intended, during season 2. That may be a concern to ABC, but it would have been something they were concerned over last season... I doubt anyone would expect them to gain 5 million viewers from the second season finale. So I think that blogger is really over stating the significance of the ratings of the third season premier, as well as the midseason break planned for season 3.

This post doesn't scare me. Abc is firm with it's "lost" commitment. they lost 5 mill since last year because of all they repeats. Plus the lack of answers to new questions ratio which keeps increasing each episode doesn't help.
This season premiere was watch by more viewers then last seasons finale and since a january episode from earlier in the year. The 2 part season non stop schedule is a good thing. All fans should treasure the fact that there will not be any momentum spoiling repeats.
The early naysayers and alarm ringers should not judge the shows longevity by the premiere episode but by the retention of the coming episodes.
Plus during the playoffs it isn't easy to judge true ratings either. The game might have been rained out but it wasn't postponed until way into the first half of the show. Lost watchers that like baseball might have went to a sports bar or where ever and couldn't get home in time to see it after the game was canceled.
Lastly, free streaming video online doesn't give this show or any other show that must see priority of last year. You can watch it anytime during the week at your leisure. A good example of this is I want to see 30 rock on NBC but love LOST what to do. Watch 30 Rock today or a week ago because NBC is streaming it online and enjoy Lost in it's HD glory first run.
Lets just wait and see before we start playing TAPS on the trumpet.

This Lost editorial was from Nuttyinnyc a dedicated Lost fan and lifetime TV watcher. LOL

By Tim Goodman San Francisco Chronicle in his TV blog “The Bastard Machine”

...

What that means: Bad things. All around. I mean, it's not a definitive death knell, but it wouldn't be too surprising to say that the beginning of the end has started. If "Lost" is losing viewers and "Smith" is dead and "Kidnapped" and others are drifting hopelessly, what more proof does the industry need? The overkill is killing viewers.

Well, that settles it, then. Why do the networks even try? They might as well just make every primetime show on every night of the week a Law & Order or CSI spinoff and be done with it already.

Well, that settles it, then. Why do the networks even try? They might as well just make every primetime show on every night of the week a Law & Order or CSI spinoff and be done with it already.
Not that I like the idea, but I think Goodman is right, especially when you consider serialized shows like "Lost" don't generally add viewers as the show goes on, they'll lose them, whereas the two shows you mentioned are consistent ratings-wise and are goldmines in syndication.

I'm disappointed NBC's "Kidnapped" has been shutdown although I think with proper promotion and a set episode length of say 10 or so, the show may have gain more viewers as an "event" instead on trying to compete on a seasonal level. At least NBC is going to run it out on Saturdays, hopefully a conclusion will have been scripted in time.

I think this latest 'Golden Age of Television' is about to collapse. I love 'Lost', I loved 'Deadwood' , 'Carnivale' etc, but people are shifting away from that type of programming. These shows are smart, require the viewers to use their brain, to be involved mentally.

My personal opinion is people are generally overstimulated day to day: email, cell phone, pagers, computers etc; they are being bombarded with information all day long like never before. A large percentage of people are reacting by coming home and basically trying to 'turn off' their brain with stuff like 'American Idol'. I'm not trying to insult these people, this doesn't imply that they're idiots, just that at the end of the day, they just want to tune out.

As it turns out, some of us have the opposite approach. To me, the antidote to the mind numbing daily routine is to watch TV that fires up the brain, makes you work a little, makes you think outside the box--not that I don't enjoy some mindless escapism once in a while as well.

I guess we're in the minority though, 'AI' and 'Dancing with the Stars' type shows are probably going to win out.

Some of these shows may fall off, but I don't see Lost being threatened this early in the season. The writers do need to make good on their promise to start answering questions- I don't think that was accomplished in last week's episode. Not that I plan to stop watching, but if we go three seasons without answers to any significant questions, I may no longer give it as much priority.

It's interesting that Heroes, another serialized drama, is doing reasonably well. Its ratings aren't as high as Lost, but I hear it's been picked up for the season. There is hope on that series that they may be able to resolve one or more story arcs within the season (satisfying our desire for some closure) while still leaving some larger questions open for next season. we'll see.

I think this latest 'Golden Age of Television' is about to collapse. I love 'Lost', I loved 'Deadwood' , 'Carnivale' etc, but people are shifting away from that type of programming. These shows are smart, require the viewers to use their brain, to be involved mentally.

I guess we're in the minority though, 'AI' and 'Dancing with the Stars' type shows are probably going to win out.


Yes and no...there are plenty of shows out there that make people think, they just don't require a weekly committment in order to enjoy the show. The CSI franchise started off that way...it was were enjoyable, edgy, and made you think. They also tended to be one-offs, with the story wrapped up by the end, and no soap opera drama to keep track of. It was easier to draw new viewers, they didn't have to say "who is THAT guy?""Who's sleeping with who?""What monster""Didn't he have a beard...is that the same guy?"

Now we've got the redheaded stepchild Horatio marrying his subordinates' cancer-stricken sister and avenging her death in Rio by stabbing a druglord in the burning heat dressed in black jacket. Right. :-)

LOST is in no danger, it's still a cash cow. As long as the producers stay true to their vision/story they began, those of us that care about the storyline are going to stick with it.

Honestly, we really only need 1 or 2 more seasons to put a fork in the story. As imaginative as the writers are, I'd hate to see them milk it dry until the show becomes a parody of itself.

I think the success of AI and dancing with the stars is what is making shows like lost so succesful.

Think about it, with the success of reality shows reducing the need for actors and writers, the only way to make a successful non-reality show these days is to follow the HBO model. That is, well-written, well-produced shows that feature talented acting and deeper plots. If you are a writer and you don't go to the tv execs with something that blows away the competition, you won't get a pilot.

By Tim Goodman San Francisco Chronicle in his TV blog “The Bastard Machine”

“… "Lost," the show that essentially set off this industry wide love affair with the (serial) genre

How about they just focus on making good shows and forget about trying to copy the ones that work? It's true that Lost (along with 24) "set off the industry wide love affair with the serial genre"....but it's also true that last year Lost set off the industry wide love affair with the SciFi genre.

When all these serials fail, I can hear the TV suits next year saying:

"Did we sh*tcan any pilots about the beach?"
"Give me something with a hobbit in it!"
"Maybe it's the bunkers" :rolleyes:

How about they just focus on making good shows and forget about trying to copy the ones that work? It's true that Lost (along with 24) "set off the industry wide love affair with the serial genre"....but it's also true that last year Lost set off the industry wide love affair with the SciFi genre.



Not to defend execs, as they are generally lemmings who follow what every other network has success with, but these shows are amazingly expensive to produce.

We can all name GREAT, quality shows that got cancelled. Shows done well from top to bottom. They were advertised, put in good time slots...and NOBODY watched. And a boatload of $$ down the drain. So they 'learn' from their mistakes and start producing what people are watching now, quality or not. Sad but true.

So the blame really starts with us, the viewers (although not the folks on this forum who watch so religiously and share our views). If they produce great shows and nobody watches, it's on us.

You're right Iteki - I blame you too. ;)

You're right Iteki - I blame you too. ;)

LOL you must know my fiance :-)

Yes and no...there are plenty of shows out there that make people think, they just don't require a weekly committment in order to enjoy the show. The CSI franchise started off that way...it was were enjoyable, edgy, and made you think. They also tended to be one-offs, with the story wrapped up by the end, and no soap opera drama to keep track of. It was easier to draw new viewers, they didn't have to say "who is THAT guy?""Who's sleeping with who?""What monster""Didn't he have a beard...is that the same guy?"


The thing that I increasingly dislike about the self-contained style is if there is any sort of recognizable guest actor for that particular episode, 9 times out of 10, "he did it", so I generally watch them for the plot subject, which sometimes can be interesting, although the L&O's are like reading the newspaper now, and for the "look" of the show, like with the CSI's, which can have some outstanding photography.

Actually I already suggested the Benry, Juliette breakup above. I don't think her tears would have been for Goodwin or Ethan, they were still alive at the time of that particular breakdown. (just before the plane crashed)

So am I the only one who thought she was crying for the obvious reason?

The obvious reason that she was listenting to "Downtown," and she hasn't been in a city/town for a long time, and may never once again. I missed how this could have been interpreted differently, unless people are overanalyzing (not hard to do with Lost)

I think this latest 'Golden Age of Television' is about to collapse. I love 'Lost', I loved 'Deadwood' , 'Carnivale' etc, but people are shifting away from that type of programming. These shows are smart, require the viewers to use their brain, to be involved mentally.

My personal opinion is people are generally overstimulated day to day: email, cell phone, pagers, computers etc; they are being bombarded with information all day long like never before. A large percentage of people are reacting by coming home and basically trying to 'turn off' their brain with stuff like 'American Idol'. I'm not trying to insult these people, this doesn't imply that they're idiots, just that at the end of the day, they just want to tune out.

As it turns out, some of us have the opposite approach. To me, the antidote to the mind numbing daily routine is to watch TV that fires up the brain, makes you work a little, makes you think outside the box--not that I don't enjoy some mindless escapism once in a while as well.

I guess we're in the minority though, 'AI' and 'Dancing with the Stars' type shows are probably going to win out.
Cavalier What you say is true. This is why a logic numbers game like sudoku became so popular so fast because we want to stimulate the brain with complex puzzles. Remember this is just a puzzle, no bombs, no fighting no explosions or no stars to gather just a plain old logic numbers game. Like "Lost" a thinking persons series. All these theories don't pop up because the majority of people are watching to be just entertained with out question with a conclusion at the end. They watch to stimulate the brain and figure out what is going on here? What will happen next?

So am I the only one who thought she was crying for the obvious reason?

The obvious reason that she was listenting to "Downtown," and she hasn't been in a city/town for a long time, and may never once again. I missed how this could have been interpreted differently, unless people are overanalyzing (not hard to do with Lost)
That is actually pretty good. You are right with the over analyzing but this is what makes lost so popular. But everyone who says it is a breakup is going by the fact that they had to show who Ben was and that he wasn't invited to the book club. Just trying to connect the dots that the writerds offer. But if you end up being right I will be the first to congratulate you with that one idea. Well done!!!

So am I the only one who thought she was crying for the obvious reason?

The obvious reason that she was listenting to "Downtown," and she hasn't been in a city/town for a long time, and may never once again. I missed how this could have been interpreted differently, unless people are overanalyzing (not hard to do with Lost)

Taken by itself (just the crying scene), there's no reason to think it's relationship related.

But given the tension between the two, and the statements made by them both, it's what got me thinking about it.

I don't think anyone has definitively come out and said 'that's definitely what it was'. It's all speculation at this point. Nothing else to do until Wednesday :-)

Actually we're all very fortunate. Last season by Friday the posts were extremely Nutty! Nothing personal nuttyinnyc.

How many shows where you have to watch every episode can you get hooked into. I stick with Lost and Battlestar Galactica, but have made the decision not to get involved with Kidnapped, or several other shows. Even with a Tivo, I can only handle a couple of addictions.
And that has always been the Networks problem."look that worked, let's make ten more, and kill the whole genre."

The obvious reason that she was listenting to "Downtown," and she hasn't been in a city/town for a long time, and may never once again.
I wonder if she kept the CD hidden in the Talking Heads case so the leader wouldn't discover she had a song that would encourage these feelings.

And you may find yourself
Living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself
In another part of the world

See, that song would have made her feel better! :D

I can't believe I forgot about it and didn't set the dvr... :(

I can't believe I forgot about it and didn't set the dvr... :(


Ouch!

Itunes!

abc.com, too - although I had a lot of trouble with it last week (my DVR thought it was full and wouldn't record).

I think the writers have been true to their word in promising revelations. One of the big mysteries has been: Where did the Others come from and how did they get on the island? The zoom out shots following the plane breakup gave us a very good look at how the Others were situated to take their initiatives. Why they were there is still unanswered. But I think we're a bit closer to unravelling their part in all this.

Remember how the island is associated with healing powers? Locke, Rose, Jack's and Sawyer's wounds, etc. How come Benry still shows scabs and such from his beating by Sayid? Seems he is taking a lot longer to heal from that. Is it just the Losties who are favorably affected by the island's powers?

Ouch!

Itunes!


Ouch is right! Thanks for the itunes suggestion... :)

abc.com, too - although I had a lot of trouble with it last week (my DVR thought it was full and wouldn't record).

Thanks...I'll try it! :D

I can't believe I forgot about it and didn't set the dvr... :(If one of us could forget, does that explain what happened to the five million viewers that didn't tune in for the season premier? Maybe some of 'em will be back during the season after all.

Actually we're all very fortunate. Last season by Friday the posts were extremely Nutty! Nothing personal nuttyinnyc.
Hey! Don't worry about, you are right this is calm.

Do the ratings numbers count DVR's ? Because I technically didn't watch it. I started viewing it from the recorder 15 minutes later, and skipped the commercials.

Ok people something to think about. One therory was that the Others were what remained on the island from the Darhma incident. But if that is true. Why would she have CD's? A CD player? A fax? the last one was mentioned on this thread "How they got Jacks info so fast". Unless the drop offs bring them technology also. The incident happened in the 70's or very early 80's. Just something to think about before the show gets broader with tomorrows episode with showing more stories then just the captives story.

As for the Healing, we don't really know the true time frame from Ben's escape to the 3 capture. He is pretty healed if it is only 5 - 7days. He was pretty F@#$ed up and now he really only has a cut on his lip.

Remember how the island is associated with healing powers? Locke, Rose, Jack's and Sawyer's wounds, etc. How come Benry still shows scabs and such from his beating by Sayid? Seems he is taking a lot longer to heal from that. Is it just the Losties who are favorably affected by the island's powers?

Oh, I think the island's healing powers are still there. Remember that Benry took a hunting arrow thru the upper chest and he doesn't seem to be terribly affected by that anymore, and it's only been a couple of weeks, tops (island time) since he was shot.

I can't believe I forgot about it and didn't set the dvr... :(

I was going to say you could schedule it weekly but you already did - scheduled it weakly! ha! ah.. er... is it Friday yet? ..wait.

Do the ratings numbers count DVR's ? Because I technically didn't watch it. I started viewing it from the recorder 15 minutes later, and skipped the commercials.

Unless you're a Nielsen family, it doesn't matter what or when you watch anything.

Oh, I think the island's healing powers are still there. Remember that Benry took a hunting arrow thru the upper chest and he doesn't seem to be terribly affected by that anymore, and it's only been a couple of weeks, tops (island time) since he was shot.

One thing that came to mind: could the "super-human" strength that the Others have shown us be directly related to the healing powers of the island? Instead of just having "healing" powers, your body gets stronger the longer that you are there. That could explain how the Others seem to be so strong. Something about the island not only helps you heal quickly, it makes you extremely strong over time. That could be an alternative to the theory of some kind of genetic manipulation or whatever being done to the Others.

Neilsen ratings now include an hr plus DVR viewing. This is so they add the people that record and watch it less than a hr later to view with out comercials. But like Josh said a liittle bit rudely. (Josh if you didn't inted it to be rude then I am sorry for misinterpeting your response.) You need to be a Neilsen family for it to make an impact.

...But like Josh said a liittle bit rudely. (Josh if you didn't inted it to be rude then I am sorry for misinterpeting your response.) ....
Just taking a wild guess here. Nutty, you're a female, aren't you. :p

Just taking a wild guess here. Nutty, you're a female, aren't you. :p


I'm betting he's quino in Bronx clothing. :D ;)

As expected, new season gave us more questions and few answers.
I am gonna skip this lost show.

But like Josh said a liittle bit rudely. (Josh if you didn't inted it to be rude then I am sorry for misinterpeting your response.)

Didn't mean for it to be rude (did it really come out that way?). Just pointing out that whether non-Nielsen viewers watch the show live or record it has no impact on the ratings.

For better or worse, only the viewing habits of Nielsen families count for anything in the ratings game.

As expected, new season gave us more questions and few answers.
I am gonna skip this lost show.

Again, why do we need to know this?

Again, why do we need to know this?
So we can all pick on him when he comes back. ;)

So what exactly makes you a Nielson family? Couldn't find much on google..

You couldn't find much becuase it's a super secret society.

I thought that was the Mason family.

The Manson family?

no

Just taking a wild guess here. Nutty, you're a female, aren't you. :p
no

I'm betting he's quino in Bronx clothing. :D ;)
not the bronx either

Again, why do we need to know this?
we need to know this because we want to make fun of him when he post again in a couple of weeks telling us how good it is.

I thought that was the Mason family.
Damm steve did Maxman make you feel old? I know he did for me. Come Max you really don't know?

No I meant the Mason family. They've been around for centuries. I read about 'em in The Da Vinci Code.

No I meant the Mason family. They've been around for centuries. I read about 'em in The Da Vinci Code.
then never mind I am not that old!

Are they measuring HD viewership now for the Nielsen ratings? Maybe the large increase in HD viewers accounts for some of the drop off.

The whole Neilson thing is BS anyway, yet this is what billion dollar corporations base their programming on. Incredible.

Given the hack job in scheduling S2 last season, I can understand why some people left and did not return. However, after finishing S2 last night, I believe if those people were given the opportunity to view them back to back, viewership wouldn’t be down to the point it was last week. Watching on DVD can really spoil you. I’ll watch bonus features tonight and tomorrow, then watch the first two episodes of S3 Thursday. Yep, it has been a LOST week.

LOST SEASON 3 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501678.html) from The Washington Post.

Damm steve did Maxman make you feel old? I know he did for me. Come Max you really don't know?

Just an attempt at humor...sorry!

Pretty much everyone has lost their edge since the Others appeared. Locke used to be a bad ass hunter, and now look at him.Based on last weeks episode we don't know what became of Locke, but IMO it won't be good.

Didn't mean for it to be rude (did it really come out that way?). Just pointing out that whether non-Nielsen viewers watch the show live or record it has no impact on the ratings.

For better or worse, only the viewing habits of Nielsen families count for anything in the ratings game.

Well I asked the question and I didn't take offense.It seems most people here talk about going back to view it again(DVR), or make a note of something only visible in HD. Just wondering if we counted.

However, after finishing S2 last night, I believe if those people were given the opportunity to view them back to back, viewership wouldn’t be down to the point it was last week. Watching on DVD can really spoil you. I’ll watch bonus features tonight and tomorrow, then watch the first two episodes of S3 Thursday. Yep, it has been a LOST week.


That's why I think ABC should have run a heavy 'Lost' marathon at the end of the summer, in fact I would have run a heavy Season 1 and Season 2 marathon, mid July through the end of August, 1 show per night, Monday through Friday.
Try to pick up new viewers, and grab people who deserted in Season 2.

That's why I think ABC should have run a heavy 'Lost' marathon at the end of the summer, in fact I would have run a heavy Season 1 and Season 2 marathon, mid July through the end of August, 1 show per night, Monday through Friday.
Try to pick up new viewers, and grab people who deserted in Season 2.

You're talking about the company who thought it was a good idea to shut down Disney Animation. They just recently got rid of the big idiot who came up with that idea. Hopefully the company can regain some sense soon.

LOL, I'm talking about the company that thought 'Lost' was horrible idea in the first place. The guy who greenlit the project got fired for it. Even after the pilot was a hit, ABC/Disney execs complained that the whole concept was horrible.

>>Iger and Eisner Would Have Lost 'Lost'

According to the upcoming DisneyWar book by James Stewart, both Disney CEO Michael Eisner and President Robert Iger were dubious that the series Lost, which had been championed by ABC Entertainment Television Group Chairman Lloyd Braun, would draw an audience.

Iger originally called the series "a waste of time," adding, "It might work as a miniseries, but not as a series." According to the book, Braun defied Iger's "clear invitation" to kill it.

Later Eisner asked Braun, "What have you picked up?" When he described Lost, Eisner reportedly frowned, then said, "That's never going to work."

Even after its successful premiere (and after Braun had been fired), Lost continued to be damned by Eisner, who told Stewart, "Lost is terrible ... The pilot was two hours; it was broken into two one-hour episodes. Then the show goes off a cliff. There's no more plane crash! Who cares about these people on a desert island?" <<

LOL, I'm talking about the company that thought 'Lost' was horrible idea in the first place. The guy who greenlit the project got fired for it. Even after the pilot was a hit, ABC/Disney execs complained that the whole concept was horrible.

>>Iger and Eisner Would Have Lost 'Lost'

According to the upcoming DisneyWar book by James Stewart, both Disney CEO Michael Eisner and President Robert Iger were dubious that the series Lost, which had been championed by ABC Entertainment Television Group Chairman Lloyd Braun, would draw an audience.

Iger originally called the series "a waste of time," adding, "It might work as a miniseries, but not as a series." According to the book, Braun defied Iger's "clear invitation" to kill it.

Later Eisner asked Braun, "What have you picked up?" When he described Lost, Eisner reportedly frowned, then said, "That's never going to work."

Even after its successful premiere (and after Braun had been fired), Lost continued to be damned by Eisner, who told Stewart, "Lost is terrible ... The pilot was two hours; it was broken into two one-hour episodes. Then the show goes off a cliff. There's no more plane crash! Who cares about these people on a desert island?" <<Michael Eisner should stick to what he knows best... how to build an Amusement Theme Park. ;)

Most TV viewers are not really interested in science fiction/fantasy shows. The ratings decline for Lost was predictable given its genre and scheduling blunders committed by ABC. Let's hope the show does well enough to continue on for another couple of years or so.

Most TV viewers are not really interested in science fiction/fantasy shows. The ratings decline for Lost was predictable given its genre and scheduling blunders committed by ABC. Let's hope the show does well enough to continue on for another couple of years or so.

So say we all! ;)

we need to know this because we want to make fun of him when he post again in a couple of weeks telling us how good it is.

You wanna bet I will post like that?

Michael Eisner should stick to what he knows best... how to build an Amusement Theme Park. ;)


I thought his natural talent was how to destroy a great company like Disney and drive away every original creator who had been with the company!!

The whole Neilson thing is BS anyway, yet this is what billion dollar corporations base their programming on. Incredible.

Couldn't agree more. As someone with a stats degree the whole nielsen ratings ordeal makes me sick to my stomach.

Couldn't agree more. As someone with a stats degree the whole nielsen ratings ordeal makes me sick to my stomach.

What really annoys me is how they always manage to pick the folks who have the most horrible taste in the country to be Nielsen families. And they must give IQ tests to prospective contributors: if you score over 80 you're immediately disqualified. :D

Couldn't agree more. As someone with a stats degree the whole nielsen ratings ordeal makes me sick to my stomach.

Liers figure, figures lie. Lies, damn lies and statistics. But, to be fair, even though the polls don't accurately reflect the general populace, that isn't really what they are measuring. The polls are for the networks. This is only now starting to shift to take into account the popularity of Cable networks. But the system is still heavily scewed to specific income/age/region because that's the households the networks want polled (Although I will qualify this statement by saying that it has been a few years since I looked into how the system worked. It very well could be different now). Scewed control groups lead to scewed results. But the real sin is having the data evaluated outside of its context.

What really annoys me is how they always manage to pick the folks who have the most horrible taste in the country to be Nielsen families.

Actually, what you've described is the characteristics of the U.S. population at large. What you're complaining about is the fact you don't fit the norm. If you were dumb, fat and happy, you wouldn't be complaining. ;)

Actually, what you've described is the characteristics of the U.S. population at large. What you're complaining about is the fact you don't fit the norm. If you were dumb, fat and happy, you wouldn't be complaining. ;)
Darn individualists. :p

Other then being something to talk about why in the world would you pay attention to the ratings if you like and watch the show. I'm like a poster above stated I fit outside the norm. I don't read reviews or pay attention to ratings or even "buy into the hype machine" of ads. If I like something I'll tune in or DVR it.

Other then being something to talk about why in the world would you pay attention to the ratings if you like and watch the show. I'm like a poster above stated I fit outside the norm. I don't read reviews or pay attention to ratings or even "buy into the hype machine" of ads. If I like something I'll tune in or DVR it.
The ratings are important in the respect that if the show doesn't have good ratings, and retain them, the show will disappear. With network TV, it's all about the money.

Actually, what you've described is the characteristics of the U.S. population at large. What you're complaining about is the fact you don't fit the norm. If you were dumb, fat and happy, you wouldn't be complaining. ;)

Well, two out of three ain't bad. ;)

The ratings are important in the respect that if the show doesn't have good ratings, and retain them, the show will disappear. With network TV, it's all about the money.

And with that money comes the BS. In respect to Lost if the ratings dropped due to lower stated viewership it doesn't make it any less of a good show. I enjoyed the premiere and will continue to watch until I decide otherwise. Far to many people in our society conform to what there told to think and like.

The ratings are important in the respect that if the show doesn't have good ratings, and retain them, the show will disappear. With network TV, it's all about the money.


Actually:

With anything in life, it's all about the money.

A wise man once said, "Money is the answer to everything". Seriously.

Hey! Guess what? LOST is on tonight!!! Whoo Hooo!!!

The main group of Tailees are so "last season". Give us more of the settlement and the Others' backstories. ;)

Couldn't agree more. As someone with a stats degree the whole nielsen ratings ordeal makes me sick to my stomach.
Likewise. Their sampling methodology error margin is probably around 10-15% (I'll have to check what they claim) but a slight difference in rating can mean significant advertising $s.

Give us more of the settlement and the Others' backstories. ;)That could easily take an entire season. :D

Hey! Guess what? LOST is on tonight!!! Whoo Hooo!!!


15minutes of shows, 45 minutes of commercials. Well, it seems that way. Guess that's how they can do this season with no repeats.

15minutes of shows, 45 minutes of commercials. Well, it seems that way. Guess that's how they can do this season with no repeats.

I doubt there are any more commercials on LOST than any other, about 18-19 minutes per hour seems to be the "going rate" these days....

But I don't really notice anymore; technology has granted me blessed deliverance.

I doubt there are any more commercials on LOST than any other, about 18-19 minutes per hour seems to be the "going rate" these days....

But I don't really notice anymore; technology has granted me blessed deliverance.
Archiguy, you sir are 100% correct. I've copied every single Lost episode to DVD and edited out the commercials. The subsequent running time of each episode has consistently been between 41-42 minutes. (2 hour episodes excluded). I do agree that watching it live makes it seem like there's more commercials, though. Especially if my wife is watching with me :)

The only difference is when they go the extra minute or two (or five) - then the padded amount is almost always all commercials.

The bigger issue is the switch (by network mandate) to 5 acts instead of 4. That puts much more of a crimp in the writing than the number of commercials per break.

So say we all! ;)Frak (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Frak), I really like that show... it's "almost" as good as Lost! ;) I thought his natural talent was how to destroy a great company like Disney and drive away every original creator who had been with the company!! :eek:

and I'm a DVC Member (http://dvc.disney.go.com/dvc/index?bhcp=1) too!

And with that money comes the BS. In respect to Lost if the ratings dropped due to lower stated viewership it doesn't make it any less of a good show. I enjoyed the premiere and will continue to watch until I decide otherwise. Far to many people in our society conform to what there told to think and like.
True, but again, if the money isn't there, the show won't be either, no matter how good it is. Keep in mind that quality programming doesn't always mean large audience numbers.

The bigger issue is the switch (by network mandate) to 5 acts instead of 4. That puts much more of a crimp in the writing than the number of commercials per break.When did this go into effect CP?


ron

When did this go into effect CP?


ron
I think ABC started this last year, and I thought it was six breaks per hour?

That's why I think ABC should have run a heavy 'Lost' marathon at the end of the summer, in fact I would have run a heavy Season 1 and Season 2 marathon, mid July through the end of August, 1 show per night, Monday through Friday.
Try to pick up new viewers, and grab people who deserted in Season 2.That could happen....on their Family Channel.

I think ABC started this last year, and I thought it was six breaks per hour?

ScRe* watching it OTA let's get ABC to release it on HD DVD and BD box sets, watch the whole season as you like, when you like, no adverts at all. :D :D :D

Waiting for 8PM CDT myself. :)

OTOH, maybe that's what they would like, pay for viewing? :eek: :eek: :eek:

So say we all! ;)
Wrong show, but you did have me wondering what that line was from. Thank you I had a good laugh.

53 minutes till we find out what happened in the Hatch. Unless they hold that till next week which would not be right! :mad: :(

Actually, what you've described is the characteristics of the U.S. population at large. What you're complaining about is the fact you don't fit the norm. If you were dumb, fat and happy, you wouldn't be complaining. ;)
Exactly what is wrong with being Fat and Happy? Sounds like a life goal to me!
And by the time I get to "Lost", I have hit the Dumb button as well! At least the several tall cocktails button, very similar.

That could happen....on their Family Channel.
They were running the 'George Lopez' show (during the summer) like it was the hottest show on television, even a 'Lost' marathon would have been a step up, and a good investment into season 3 as well. The George Lopez show on the otherhand was a waste of their airtime.

Trixie from Deadwood! I like that casting decision ;)

It's Trixie!!!!
Now we'll find out that Al Swearengen is running the island! Betcha didn't see that coming you bunch of c**$***ers
:P

Anyone else having trouble with a jerky picture when watching Lost in HD? Dancing with the Stars was fine before, but then once Lost started it got bad. It was the same last week, thought it would have been fixed by now. Adelphia Cable.

Oh I really hate the others!!!!

A "shocking" episode so far..

What a crappy episode.

A "shocking" episode so far..

they should've had that game in HD

"Dude, the hatch blew off your underwear" I'm still laughing! :D :D :D

Thought it was a great episode.

What a crappy episode.
Yea, those were some really crappy shots of Kate bending over in the dress. ;)

Wow that was an awesome episode in my opinion. I love that it's not taking forever to get some damn story. I am very interested in what the others are up to now. They have some great actors playing those others!

Yea, those were some really crappy shots of Kate bending over in the dress. ;)


OK the visuals were great, but the story didn't move forward but a few inches, metiphorically speaking of coarse.

As the story unfolds, I am just as filled with wonder as I was during seasons 1 and 2. Must keep watching to see what happens next.

If you want things to unfold more than tonight every episode, you might have ADHD. :)

"You never made me soup." Any doubt Juliet and Ben were an item?

So "remote viewing" is just cameras feeding old black and white monitors?

I'll bet Sun's baby winds up being bald.

If you want things to unfold more than tonight every episode, you might have ADHD. :)

I know! I think someones been watching too much CSI.

"You taste like strawberries" "You taste like fish biscuits" :D

Great episode!
Sawyer's appraisal of their capabilities was great, very shrewd.
Sayid, gotta love him when push comes to shove: "I'll capture two and kill the rest" "Two...one to make the other cooperate"

Jin's beating of Mr.Clean was pretty brutal, he really threw that guy around the room!
Sun looked so sweet all dolled up for supper. ;)

Bonus points for "... and the Red Sox won ... the World Series ... " with the [even more poorly quoted] retort "...you lost me on that one..."

For a minute there I though Sawyer was going to do a more complete Cool Hand Luke on the chain gang parody with the "Yes boss".

Somebody mentioned this a couple of days ago, but what is the deal with Kate? She is turning more and more into a Gilligan character - sort of the role that Charlie played earlier in the series.

She used to be pretty savvy and adept at getting out of trouble but now she is always the one captured and held hostage. Glad to see that Sun at least has a spine - Kate's has totally disappeared.

Good episode. Not great.

Next week we get to see Locke.

I expected someone to come up with an anagram for "Benjamin Linus". I tried an anagram generator and don't see anything obvious.

Rod319

Trixie from Deadwood! I like that casting decision ;)


I couldn't put my finger on it ahh Deadwood but of course nice