If they had known Deadwood was going to get cancelled, poor Trixie could have stayed on 'Lost' instead of just getting that one shot (pun intended) guest role.

I haven't missed an episode since this show started, but I'm done.

I have only so much tolerance for being jerked around, or in fact watching the characters get jerked around. Enough 'jerking'.

The show has changed from "figure out the island's secrets" to "figure out why these bad people are acting bad".

I can watch the news or a half dozen other dramas to play that game. NONE of The Others is interesting. If they are trying to create any drama here, they would give more context and depth to some of The Others. As it is, they are just a bunch of nobody bad guys. Anyone feel sorry when Sun shot that girl? Nope. Didn't think so. Anyone actually sympathize with Ben/Henry's perspective? Nope. At least after 2.5 hours of Shawshank Redemption, the Warden got a bullet and Andy and Red got to build a boat!

No such redemption is in store for you, stalwart Lost viewers.

Somebody mentioned this a couple of days ago, but what is the deal with Kate? She is turning more and more into a Gilligan character - sort of the role that Charlie played earlier in the series.

She used to be pretty savvy and adept at getting out of trouble but now she is always the one captured and held hostage. Glad to see that Sun at least has a spine - Kate's has totally disappeared.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. The old Kate would have knocked Blondie down and taken her gun while James was knocking the crap out of the big guy. They could have taken at least 4 or 5 of them out in a few seconds and still had the drop on the rest.

James was kicking some butt out there.

Best line: "you taste like fish biscuit"

Most important line (IMO): "james, put down the gun"

Up until that line, I didn't know for sure how much they knew and how much they pretended to know. They really are several steps ahead of the Losties. That Carl kid must not have been a plant, as I don't think Alex is playing Kate.

I thought it was a great episode. I really love this show!!

I haven't missed an episode since this show started, but I'm done.

I have only so much tolerance for being jerked around, or in fact watching the characters get jerked around. Enough 'jerking'.

The show has changed from "figure out the island's secrets" to "figure out why these bad people are acting bad".

I can watch the news or a half dozen other dramas to play that game. NONE of The Others is interesting. If they are trying to create any drama here, they would give more context and depth to some of The Others. As it is, they are just a bunch of nobody bad guys. Anyone feel sorry when Sun shot that girl? Nope. Didn't think so. Anyone actually sympathize with Ben/Henry's perspective? Nope. At least after 2.5 hours of Shawshank Redemption, the Warden got a bullet and Andy and Red got to build a boat!

No such redemption is in store for you, stalwart Lost viewers.

I have to agree completly, to me this is being the first episode I do not like one bit. Completely stupid, these guys can treck their way into the jungle, follow tracks, kill wild beasts, kick ass and then all of a sudden they are all becoming jello!!! What the hell? How can an ex soldier, expert in interrogation tecniques (know how the enemy thinks) do not pay attention to the boat??? Which way was he facing, the fire? What, now the Other become Marlin to swim staright to the light??? The Others were not even wet, so they must have walk their way to the boat...

And what about Kate?

I only hope next week improves because I will lose intrest in a sec.

ryan 330i & mjcow hope you are ready to be attacked. I feel the same way and said so last week and got lots of nasty responses.

I too found nothing exiting about tonight's show. There used to be a sense of adventure, wonder and mystery, now the first two episodes have been about mental conditioning, and not even interesting mental conditioning at that. We've seen the Jack story over and over, and Kate and Sawyer's story are straight out of a prison break movie. "You-- get over there and break those rocks!" You---- move them from there to here." OK. The only interesting tidbit tonight was "Henry" stating he'd been on the island all his life.

Lost is not "must see tv" for me anymore. I'll watch it because I've invested a couple of years in it, but unless something really starts to happen it'll be sitting on my TiVo like Prison Break is, I'll get around to watching it whenever.

I know I'll get major flames over that statement, but something to keep in mind is that there are thousands of other people who feel the same as I do, why do you think the ratings are down?

just stop watching already and curb the drama (and longwinded "i'm done" posts).

less posting makes the thread alot easier to follow anyways :p :D

If one of us could forget, does that explain what happened to the five million viewers that didn't tune in for the season premier? Maybe some of 'em will be back during the season after all.

I'm shocked that I forgot (didn't this week lol)....yeah I kind of think it got lost in the shuffle...no pun intended...I think viewers will start tuning in...I just ordered a black 80 gig iPod with $$ I got from my birthday recently...I can download missed episodes...but I'm not missing anymore!! :D

I think the writers have been watching "Cool Hand Luke".

Paul

just stop watching already and curb the drama (and longwinded "i'm done" posts).

less posting makes the thread alot easier to follow anyways :p :D

Totally Agree! Thought tonight was pretty good.

What got Jack to literally sit up and take notice?

TV.

:D

Not even HD TV - I guess you have to make do on the island.

ftboomer, mjcow, ryan330i, and Matt L:

You're obviously wasting your lives watching Lost. Go do something worthwhile with your time and stop posting here already.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out...

Not even HD TV - I guess you have to make do on the island.

And The Others may have contact with the outside world but they haven't discovered Tivo yet. :p

Kind of like the Dharma people with the retro equipment too.

Or maybe they're one and the same.

Or maybe they just drop Dharma like they dropped the monster/security system.

Am I the only one that finds the fish biscut about the funniest god damned thing ever?

Completely stupid

The show has been completely stupid from the very beginning. The dialog is excruciatingly bad, the plot - if any - is absurd and, worst of all, the show is shamelessly manipulative. 'Lost' is nothing but intelectual feces on a sunny Hawaiian beach.

R

Wow, I'm glad that's been cleared up. hahahahahahahahahahhackcoughgackhahahahaha!

just stop watching already and curb the drama (and longwinded "i'm done" posts).

less posting makes the thread alot easier to follow anyways :p :D

Right on! These people are really pathetic!

Not even HD TV - I guess you have to make do on the island.

D* hasn't provided LIL to the island yet, but there are rumors that by the end of the year.... ;)

So, if Ben has been on the island all of his life, I wonder about the "others". Maybe these are the children of the original Dharma researchers.

Perhaps they need children because they can't have any of their own?

The show has been completely stupid from the very beginning. The dialog is excruciatingly bad, the plot - if any - is absurd and, worst of all, the show is shamelessly manipulative. 'Lost' is nothing but intelectual feces on a sunny Hawaiian beach.

R

Yet here you are in season 3 :rolleyes: Guess you have an affinity for "intellectual feces"... May be fitting that you can't spell intellectual...

So, if Ben has been on the island all of his life, I wonder about the "others". Maybe these are the children of the original Dharma researchers.


I agree; I think that's it. In some fashion, they are carrying on the work of the original Dharma researchers. Perhaps they "rebelled" when the "incidents" happened....? Even though the bulk of that research happened "a long time ago", the umbrella organization is still in place and still being funded, as evidenced by the supply drops, new equipment in the hatch, etc.

As to what the Other's current purpose is, that's yet to be revealed. One thing's sure, now that Sun has killed Trixie (Connie?), things are going to get a lot worse. This now makes, by my count, 6 of the Others that have been killed by the Losties (2 by Eko, 1 by AnaLucia, 1 by Charlie, 1 by Sawyer, and now 1 by Sun). Whatever it is that the Others are doing, they seem to be willing to take casualties in their ranks without getting pissed off enough to just attack the Losties in force and wipe them out, or just kill their captives.

And I agree with other posters who are getting sick of the "this show sucks" crowd. Just go away, folks, and start watching CSI. You'll like that one. Quietly, please. And let the rest of us who enjoy this show enjoy it in peace. :rolleyes:

They keep saying "we're not the badguys here", plus Desmond and his hatchmate were not part of the 'Others', yet seemed to be part of some organization. Is there a second group of 'Others' on the island? A second group that is in conflict with the first group?

They keep saying "we're not the badguys here", plus Desmond and his hatchmate were not part of the 'Others', yet seemed to be part of some organization. Is there a second group of 'Others' on the island? A second group that is in conflict with the first group?Not the bad guys? I'm willing to bet that Sawyer, Jack, Kate, Jin, Sun and Sayid would disagree. We have seen glimpses of some "others" wandering about the island barefoot w/tattered clothes. Perhaps those "others" managed to escape the evil clutches of the other "others." :D

The two previous posts (archi & cavalier) touch on the two main revelations (in my mind) that raise some key issues.

1) Ben has been there his whole life.
2) Ben and the Others had no idea that a sailboat existed.

Desmond's bunkermate seemed to be part of Dharma and participating in the manipulation, but apparently he was completely out of the Others' loop or they would have known about the sailboat.

Did we get any indication how his tenure on the island began from his conversations with Desmond?

If he was just another survivor thrown into the mix, why were the Others not keeping tabs on him and the goings on at the bunker?

I thought the original researchers were grad students at the University of Michigan in the 1970's. Isn't Ben in his 50's? Seems to me he is too old if the work began in the 70's or 80's.

Trixie from Deadwood! I like that casting decision ;)

Doesn't look like her run will last very long :-)

THe sadist in me can't wait to see what Mr Bully will do when his woman comes home perforated. He's a jackass when he's not in mourning...

I'm sure they have their own medical staff, but it'd be interesting if Jack ends up saving Trixie's life.

Oh I really hate the others!!!!

Yes, a bunch of arrogant c*cks*ckers!?! Deadwood jokes aside, their whole 'we're better than you' attitude is wearing thin.

Even though he got his butt kicked for it, it was nice to see Sawyer put a few of them down.

Juliette is going to be a problem.

Thought it was a great episode.

Agreed. They're doing well so far.

I'll bet Sun's baby winds up being bald.


I actually yelled "DAMMIT" when I saw her wake up with Korean Telly Savalas. I had been hoping that hadn't happened. Sun is now a tramp :-(

Why do people here feel compelled to bash people when they say they don't like an episode or the way the show is going? This is a discussion board. It would be pretty boring if everyone just came on here to say how great the show is or only what they liked, or only how funny fish biscuits are. Everybody has their opinions, just because you don't share it doesn't mean they shouldn't post it. Lighten up people!

I still love the show and look forward to it every week, but I have to say I don't watch with the same anticipation I once did. I'm not sure what it was about last night's episode that left me feeling blah about it, but I did. I think I have three main problems with the show right now:

1) Sick of the captured Losties storyline. I think it just is moving slowly, and as others have mentioned, the former main characters just seem powerless and without fight in them.
2) Too many separate storylines with the losties being separated. Haven't seen much of many of the characters since last season. I really miss Hurley's one-liners :).
3) Not as much new in the backstories. I think this is my biggest problem. The big reveals about the characters in their backstories was what I enjoyed most about the show in the first two seasons. We've seen enough now that we know about them and now they are left to filling in details. I thought Jack's last week was boring. This week's was a little better, it was interesting to find out who Jin took out for Sun's father. I loved when the guy landed on his car, nice twist. I just don't feel like there is as much left to learn about the main characters.

Funny, even after writing this, I'm not really sure as to why I was left a little dissapointed last night. I think maybe it's just what has to happen with a show like this that was built around mysteries, and slow reveals. It just slowly starts losing it's effectiveness. Regardless, I'm still hopelessly hooked and will be with it to the end!

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. The old Kate would have knocked Blondie down and taken her gun while James was knocking the crap out of the big guy. They could have taken at least 4 or 5 of them out in a few seconds and still had the drop on the rest.

James was kicking some butt out there.

Yeah, she stood around saying 'sawyer no!' 1st season she would have been pulling some Kung Fu moves.

Why do people here feel compelled to bash people when they say they don't like an episode or the way the show is going? This is a discussion board. It would be pretty boring if everyone just came on here to say how great the show is or only what they liked, or only how funny fish biscuits are. Everybody has their opinions, just because you don't share it doesn't mean they shouldn't post it. Lighten up people!



I can't speak for everyone, but what bothers me about the "I'm done with LOST" posts is that we are subjected to them EVERY WEEK, usually by the same people. They've been done with LOST since 2004, but we have to keep hearing about it. People often go on for several paragraphs about why they aren't coming back. And then they come back and do it again :-) It's like a bad breakup, it just keeps going on and on. Cut your ties I say, and time will heal all wounds :-)

Now constructive criticism of the show, or errors in logic are fine. Even "I WANT ANSWERS" is ok. But "this show sucks now, I'm done" just annoys me.

Right on! These people are really pathetic!


I'm no troller. I've never posted here before, and won't again along this line of conversation unless provoked with personal insults. I've seen every episode (just like you) and rather than slowly lose interest (like I did with CSI and ER years ago) I just kind of hit a breaking point last night and felt the need to vent/share. Because I don't like a show anymore and posted as much in this thread does not constitute being pathetic. I didn't read anything that said 'only post if you like the show'. I'm not pesonally insulting anyone here.

Please refrain from further insults.

And I agree with other posters who are getting sick of the "this show sucks" crowd. Just go away, folks, and start watching CSI. You'll like that one. Quietly, please. And let the rest of us who enjoy this show enjoy it in peace.

If no one discusses the merits of my comments I will go quietly. I had no plans for any response until I was called pathetic

Desmond's bunkermate seemed to be part of Dharma and participating in the manipulation, but apparently he was completely out of the Others' loop or they would have known about the sailboat.
Or they were out of his loop. :D

I think he was part of the group and was assigned to press the button, but then came Desmond and he saw a chance to leave the island. So he kept quiet about the boat and waited for his chance to escape.

The only flaw in that theory is when the earthquake started, Ben was only interested in the plane. If he had assigned Kevin to hatch duty, would he not have also sent someone to the hatch to see why the button was not pressed?

Right on! These people are really pathetic!

I said this was the first episode that I didn't like, I think their actions were not believeable, especially when you consider how they've behave in the pevious 2 seasons. Now, some of you are jumping on me for voicing my opinion (with really intelligent counter-opinions nonetheless), dude...I am glad I'm not on an island with you guys...

Please refrain from further insults.

Agreed. No need to attack the posters. Everyone can't love every episode and they should be welcome to voice their opinion that a particular episode sucked. Debate the merits of the arguments, or ignore the posts that you disagree with.

However, if the show continually sucks for somebody - perhaps it is time to stop watching. We don't need weekly updates that somebody still can't stand the show. 80% of the country isn't watching Lost, so you aren't alone.

Even the other 20% will want to reserve the right to bitch about a crappy episode (as most of us have over the past 2 seasons).

I thought the original researchers were grad students at the University of Michigan in the 1970's. Isn't Ben in his 50's? Seems to me he is too old if the work began in the 70's or 80's.
Maybe he has 8 toes.

ftboomer, mjcow, ryan330i, and Matt L:

You're obviously wasting your lives watching Lost. Go do something worthwhile with your time and stop posting here already.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out...


Just because we aren't drinking the same Kool-Aid you are doesn't mean you have to be rude. I love this show. It's the ONLY show I TiVo but still watch LIVE. I will continue to watch, although it will probably be on my schedule not thiers.

All I'm saying is that this episode did nothing for 30 minutes (30 minutes of commercials). Yes there were moments but come on, do you actually think that this episode was awe inspiring? If it weren't would you ssay so?

Give it a break, we are entitled to our opinion as much as you are yours.

Any signifigance to the fact that the others don't seem to have any children of their own in their little village? They appear to be young health heterosexuals who have lived on the island their whole lives.

I'm thinking the Others are stuck on the island. They are captives themselves. The real "bad guys" are the other other's who do the food drops and supply them with news of the outside world.

The others want off the island. Somehow the losties hold the key to their escape.

Also, any significance to the line about the sailboat "Just let them sail in circles" implying there is no way off the island? the boat did have a GPS antenna FWIW.

I expected someone to come up with an anagram for "Benjamin Linus". I tried an anagram generator and don't see anything obvious.

Rod319

JIN MALE N SUN BI
U NIMBLE NINJAS
MEN BUNS IN JAIL

In last nights episode:

1) We learned who fathered Sun's baby.
2) We learned later that he is dead.
3) We learned Henry's real name and the fact that he has been on the island his whole life.
4) A new mystery is revealed. Why does Henry appear much older than he probably is.
5) We learned the others are tethered to the outside world.
6) The others didn't know about the sailboat, but are now in possession of it.
7) Saywer kissed Kate.
8) Henry and Juliette were an item, with a jeolous third party.
9) A lostie shot an other.
10) The others probably have extensive audio/video survalence capabilties.
11) Carl has a connection to Alex.

This is more information than is revealed in a month of the Young & the Restless. What do you want in 42 minutes???

JIN MALE N SUN BI
U NIMBLE NINJAS
MEN BUNS IN JAIL

MEN BUNS IN JAIL ??? :eek: :eek: :eek:

In last nights episode:

1) We learned who fathered Sun's baby.


All good points, except #1 isn't for certain. Just that his hat is in the ring. I'm still hoping for a 'the island fixed my sperm' miracle for Jin :-)

Also, we learned how many days they've been on the island up to this point (although I forget the number).

Also, any significance to the line about the sailboat "Just let them sail in circles" implying there is no way off the island? the boat did have a GPS antenna FWIW.

A lot of significance. That's why I believe the others are captives.

I'm thinking the Others are stuck on the island. They are captives themselves. The real "bad guys" are the other other's who do the food drops and supply them with news of the outside world.

The others want off the island. Somehow the losties hold the key to their escape.

Interesting, this makes sense to me

Also, we learned how many days they've been on the island up to this point (although I forget the number).
Wasn't it 69? Plus, I thought it strange the way Ben pinpointed the exact date of the crash by month, day, and year, when it had only been a few weeks. Wouldn't both he and Jack be fully aware of the year? Or was that just to dispell any speculation about time warps and such?

If they can't get off the island where did they send michael and walt?

All good points, except #1 isn't for certain. Just that his hat is in the ring. I'm still hoping for a 'the island fixed my sperm' miracle for Jin :-)

It seems there were three medical "miracles"; Locke, Rose, Jin. We don't know what really caused Locke to be paralyzed yet, Rose may only think she's cancer free, and we know that Sun did have sex with someone other than Jin.

I'm thinking that there really haven't been any miracles.

If they can't get off the island where did they send michael and walt?

To the rendevous point. That's where the island others get VHS tapes and new washers and dryers from the other others in exchange for crushed rocks. :D :D :D

The constant losing by the Losties to the Others is getting to be a bit demoralizing.

I hope we get some payback by the end of this six episode set or it's going to be a long wait until January.

Also, we learned how many days they've been on the island up to this point (although I forget the number).

62?

Maybe, just maybe, the reason why the others are as bad as they are to the losties is that they suspect that the losties may have actually been sent to the island by the other others. Once they earn each others trust, the losties and the others team up to defeat the other others.

and we know that Jin did have sex with someone other than Jin.


:D - this actually made me laugh...

:D - this actually made me laugh...

Oooops. Typo. Fixed. Interesting concept though. :D

What made Sayid and Jin think that the others would only come by land? Jin was on the raft with Sawyer, Michael and Walt when the others showed up in a boat and took Walt. We don't know how the others got there for sure but I think you would want to protect your main mode of transportation or at least keep an eye on it. When Kate was robbing banks, she had no problem beating the crap out of some men but now when she got an opportunity to help with Sawyer she completely wimped out and did NOTHING. That was so disappointing and inconsistent with her prior character portrayal. It would be more natural to try and escape even if unsuccessful.

Also, any significance to the line about the sailboat "Just let them sail in circles" implying there is no way off the island? the boat did have a GPS antenna FWIW.

Based on what was told Michael last season, there is only one place where a boat can get out (remember all the energy dome theories?)

Wasn't it 69? Plus, I thought it strange the way Ben pinpointed the exact date of the crash by month, day, and year, when it had only been a few weeks. Wouldn't both he and Jack be fully aware of the year? Or was that just to dispell any speculation about time warps and such?


My guess is that was done to remind the audience that Lost is now taking place in our past and it puts into our context the events that Ben describes Jack has missed. It also helps to sell Jack on the idea the Ben is telling him the truth by relaying infomation that Jack knows to be true.

Although, Ben has been so deceptive I cannot believe anything he says that cannot be independently verified (The Red Sox winning). Even though from Jack's standpoint that video could have been faked. He says he was born on the island. So? He also said his name was Henry Gail at one point.

I take the view that everyone is lying in this show, unless we see evidence to the contrary.

chad

Did anyone notice how the reflection of the red soxs game on the glass appeared as though there was some sort of "problem" with the over the air signal. Say they used an antenna to record the game with the vcr it looked like there was some electrical interference with the signal. Maybe I was just seeing things but could further reveal that there inside a power dome or something.

All good points, except #1 isn't for certain. Just that his hat is in the ring. I'm still hoping for a 'the island fixed my sperm' miracle for Jin :-)

And are we even sure that Jae and Sun did the deed? Yes, they were both naked in bed together, but didn't Sun say "Sorry, I can't" or something to that effect?

Maybe Jae was rounding the bases and heading for home but got called out at third base...

It's Trixie!!!!
Now we'll find out that Al Swearengen is running the island! Betcha didn't see that coming you bunch of c**$***ers
:P


LOL!

Why do people here feel compelled to bash people when they say they don't like an episode or the way the show is going? This is a discussion board. It would be pretty boring if everyone just came on here to say how great the show is or only what they liked, or only how funny fish biscuits are. Everybody has their opinions, just because you don't share it doesn't mean they shouldn't post it. Lighten up people!

Well in regards to the discussion point, I think "discussion" in this context is generally for discussing plot points within the show, not how well any of us like or dislike it.

That said, I have no problem with people finding fault with a plotline or aspect of the show. Points about a different direction the plot could've gone or how something could've been handled or portrayed different are totally fine, it's when people throw in the "I'm done with this show" or the "I'm not even going to watch it live anymore" garbage that it starts getting annoying. Do you or any of them care whether or not Joe Smith who lives on 29th Terrace in Macon, Georgia in the 3rd house on the left just past the brick wall watches Lost anymore? Do you or them care whether I watch Lost anymore? Of course not. So why in their little self-absorbed world do these people think that any of us care whether or not they watch Lost?

At that point it's gone beyond useful discussion and evolved to people just taking a little jab at a show that is the basis of the very thread they're posting in.

Too many separate storylines with the losties being separated. Haven't seen much of many of the characters since last season. I really miss Hurley's one-liners :).

I think this is just the nature of serialized television. Generally with shows like this you see a pattern where we're left with a cliffhanger at the end of the season that has the character's situations departed from the norm (IE often split up) and we take the first few episodes of the next season settling and semi-resolving that cliffhanger as everything gradually "returns to normalcy" and in the time inbetween (the 16-18 episodes in the middle of the season) we are much closer to the standard, set situation we've become accustomed to.

3) Not as much new in the backstories. I think this is my biggest problem. The big reveals about the characters in their backstories was what I enjoyed most about the show in the first two seasons. We've seen enough now that we know about them and now they are left to filling in details. I thought Jack's last week was boring. This week's was a little better, it was interesting to find out who Jin took out for Sun's father. I loved when the guy landed on his car, nice twist. I just don't feel like there is as much left to learn about the main characters.

I'll agree here, and I think this has a lot to do with the way TV is set up. The writers had no idea how long Lost was going to last (especially with the current cancel rate of new shows) and had to use up all the "good stuff" in the backstories right away. I've actually thought your point about the backstories was pretty much true in regards to season 1 vs. season 2, as season 2's often seemed like stretches and to be a bit of filler whereas the season 1 backstories had those "whoa" moments like Sawyer's second episode.

Just because we aren't drinking the same Kool-Aid you are doesn't mean you have to be rude. I love this show. It's the ONLY show I TiVo but still watch LIVE. I will continue to watch, although it will probably be on my schedule not thiers.

All I'm saying is that this episode did nothing for 30 minutes (30 minutes of commercials). Yes there were moments but come on, do you actually think that this episode was awe inspiring? If it weren't would you ssay so?

Give it a break, we are entitled to our opinion as much as you are yours.

Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, assuming they can deliver it reasonably. Do you know whether I TIVO lost or watch it live? Do you care? Didn't think so. Feel free to comment all you want about last night's episode and what it lacked or did well, but nobody here cares that some guy over the internet likes Lost 37.3% less than he used to.

FWIW I enjoyed last night's episode quite a bit and am a bit puzzled by all the criticism of it and yes, I have never shied away from being critical of an episode I did not like.

Did anyone notice how the reflection of the red soxs game on the glass appeared as though there was some sort of "problem" with the over the air signal. Say they used an antenna to record the game with the vcr it looked like there was some electrical interference with the signal. Maybe I was just seeing things but could further reveal that there inside a power dome or something.

I don't think that the game was picked up and recorded off the air from the Lost island's local ABC affiliate. Just a guess..... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And are we even sure that Jae and Jin did the deed?

I'n fairly certain that Jae and Jin did not "do the deed". Jae and Sun...maybe, but not Jae and Jin. ;)

There's been a lot of discussion about Lost losing it's audience. The fact is that in last week's Neilsens it was the fourth most watched show behind Grey's Anatomy, CSI, and Desperate Housewives, and third in the 18-49 demographic, the one that matters. I think it might make it through the season......

I'n fairly certain that Jae and Jin did not "do the deed". Jae and Sun...maybe, but not Jae and Jin. ;)

Whoops. Corrected my post.

I'n fairly certain that Jae and Jin did not "do the deed". Jae and Sun...maybe, but not Jae and Jin. ;)

this one made me laugh :D :D

I don't think that the game was picked up and recorded off the air from the Lost island's local ABC affiliate. Just a guess..... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Particularly since it was on FOX. :D

Particularly since it was on FOX. :D

Yeah, well, OK, busted :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Let's get back to the Jin, Jae, Sun "menage a trois" :D

Did Ben say to Jack that the Yakees won the first three games of the series and then the Sox won 8 straight? Tough to do in a best of seven series. I'm going to have to go back and listen to that.

Did Ben say to Jack that the Yakees won the first three games of the series and then the Sox won 8 straight? Tough to do in a best of seven series. I'm going to have to go back and listen to that.I think he meant the Sox won 8 straight (4 Vs Yankees and 4 Vs Cards) to win the whole thing.

Did Ben say to Jack that the Yakees won the first three games of the series and then the Sox won 8 straight? Tough to do in a best of seven series. I'm going to have to go back and listen to that.

Not tough at all....they won the last 4 of 7 against the Yankees, then won 4 straight in the Series....4+4 = 8 straight

I think he meant the Sox won 8 straight (4 Vs Yankees and 4 Vs Cards) to win the whole thing.

Ah, that makes sense.

Ah, that makes sense.LOL, you don't forget things like that when you are a Yankee fan. The most devastating loss in Yankee history IMHO.

This is it I am "done" "what crap" "I can't watch live anymore" "I will still DVR it and watch it maybe" Actually I am kidding. I love the show. I don't even have DVR.

Sure there are episodes that aren't up to par and there are great episodes. But when you come here, WOW. People are so passionale. I don't understand. On both sides of the like it or hate it crews.
If you are DONE, be done don't come back next week to say you are DONE again. Just give up.
The other thing, why record it? if you might or might not watch it Either you like the show or not. Just move on.

It is one thing to give constructive critizum. But to say "it is crap", "it sucked". that is uncalled for. This is a forum for discussion not a forum for hateful coments. I had problems with yesterdays show but overall it was interesting and kept me watching and wanting more.
Why people use this forum to say the are giving up? I don't understand that. I don't care and many others here don't care. It just gets annoying constantly reading the same thing and it seems to be the same people. If you don't like it discuss why. If you look at the post with dislikes they are welcomed and responded to nicely most of the time. Don't just post you "hate it" comement and move on that is an invitation to worse responses.

To me it is fun going through all these post. I am looking today and I looked yesterday at 10 pm. To my shock there were 3 pages to go through. Amazing. Some people had some good insight, but then there was the usual "I'm done" and that gets the whole thread off topic. So please can everyone leave their "i'm done" comments to themselves and Chat why you don't think you want to watch anymore. Maybe will will understand why you need or want to give up.

Doesn't look like her run will last very long :-)

THe sadist in me can't wait to see what Mr Bully will do when his woman comes home perforated. He's a jackass when he's not in mourning...

I wouldn't be too sure that was the end of Trixie. Mr. Bully will flip but he will need Jack to save her. Question is which way it plays. Ben threatening Jack or Jack getting something for his services.

I hope they keep Kate and Sawyer working. I can imagine that dress getting ripped and dirty and almost falling off.

I hope they keep Kate and Sawyer working. I can imagine that dress getting ripped and dirty and almost falling off.


I am very disappointed with all of you in this thread. It has been over 14 hours since Sawyer was "staring at Kate's @ss" and not one single screen capture of that has been posted yet.

I am going to stop reading this thread. (Do they make DVRs for threads, maybe I'll do that instead!) Ok, maybe I'll read for one more week.


;)

I don't think that the game was picked up and recorded off the air from the Lost island's local ABC affiliate. Just a guess..... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Especially since it aired on FOX!

OOPS. Didn't see the first one.

Did Ben say to Jack that the Yakees won the first three games of the series and then the Sox won 8 straight? Tough to do in a best of seven series. I'm going to have to go back and listen to that.

Interesting that as soon as Jack questioned the Sox thing, Ben was able to cue it up on the monitor instantly. Funny, that. They must have a helluva fast server somewhere in there..... or Ben was expecting the question and was ready for it. In which case, boy is he smart!

I also thought it was strange of Sayid to leave the boat tied up to the dock and essentially unguarded (Sun wasn't told to "keep watch"; just "hide" for her protection). At the very least, why not sail it out in the harbor a bit and drop anchor? At least that way Sun couldn't have been "snuck up" upon quite so easily.

The constant losing by the Losties to the Others is getting to be a bit demoralizing.

Well, that depends on how you look at it. As I mentioned in an earlier post, it appears that the Others have had 5 (maybe 6 now!) of their number killed by the Losties. In contrast, they haven't killed a single Lostie yet despite plenty of opportunities. Yes, Ana Lucia and Libby were killed by Michael, but it appears he did that of his own free will. So, it looks to me like the body count is: Losties 6, Others 0. Who's "losing" to whom?

Did Ben say to Jack that the Yakees won the first three games of the series and then the Sox won 8 straight? Tough to do in a best of seven series. I'm going to have to go back and listen to that.

He was referring to winning 4 in a row v the Yanks, then 4 vs the Cards

I haven't missed an episode since this show started, but I'm done.

I have only so much tolerance for being jerked around, or in fact watching the characters get jerked around. Enough 'jerking'.

The show has changed from "figure out the island's secrets" to "figure out why these bad people are acting bad".

I can watch the news or a half dozen other dramas to play that game. NONE of The Others is interesting. If they are trying to create any drama here, they would give more context and depth to some of The Others. As it is, they are just a bunch of nobody bad guys. Anyone feel sorry when Sun shot that girl? Nope. Didn't think so. Anyone actually sympathize with Ben/Henry's perspective? Nope. At least after 2.5 hours of Shawshank Redemption, the Warden got a bullet and Andy and Red got to build a boat!

No such redemption is in store for you, stalwart Lost viewers.

that's fine, goodbye, don't let the door hit you in the butt. BTW, will someone please lock the door after this guy leaves so he can't get back in here ???

Interesting that as soon as Jack questioned the Sox thing, Ben was able to cue it up on the monitor instantly. Funny, that. They must have a helluva fast server somewhere in there..... or Ben was expecting that very question and was ready for it. In which case, boy is he smart!


Remember Jack and his Dad had the 'that's why the RedSox will never will the World Series' expression. I'm sure the Others overheard it via their snooping. So he was ready for Jack's skepticism.


Well, that depends on how you look at it. As I mentioned in an earlier post, it appears that the Others have had 6 (maybe 7 now!) of their number killed by the Losties. In contrast, they haven't killed a single Lostie yet despite plenty of opportunities. Yes, Ana Lucia and Libby were killed by Michael, but it appears he did that of his own free will. So, it looks to me like the body count is: Losties 6, Others 0. Who's "losing" to whom?

Ok, I'm confused.

Ana killed 2, 1 unknown and Goodwin. Charlie killed Ethan. so 3 Others Dead.

Ethan killed a Lostie (can't remember his name) and tried to kill Charlie (but Jack revived him). Goodwin killed what's his name (the red herring Canadian). So that's 2.

Michael killed Ana and Libby. Don't think we can call him an other, even though he was working for them at this point. THEY didn't tell him to kill anyone, his dumb butt came up with that on his own. EDIT: Ana killed Shannon by 'accident'. (thanks posg)

EDIT: OOPS forgot Mr Eko killed two that night on the beach

It should be a count of:

5 others killed by Losties, 1 critically wounded.
2 Losties killed by Others, 1 hung but survived.

3 Losties killed by one of their own.

Am I missing someone (serious question, I can't remember anyone else)?

LOL, you don't forget things like that when you are a Yankee fan. The most devastating loss in Yankee history IMHO.

The biggest choke job in the History of Professional Sports :-)

The show has been completely stupid from the very beginning. The dialog is excruciatingly bad, the plot - if any - is absurd and, worst of all, the show is shamelessly manipulative. 'Lost' is nothing but intelectual feces on a sunny Hawaiian beach.

R

I guess Lost doesn't hold up to the high standards that you require, such as those placed by an intelligent show such as My Name is Earl

And are we even sure that Jae and Sun did the deed? Yes, they were both naked in bed together, but didn't Sun say "Sorry, I can't" or something to that effect?

Maybe Jae was rounding the bases and heading for home but got called out at third base...

From my persective it looked like Jae had already hit a homer and was relaxing in the locker room. They should have been smoking cigs and eating pizza :-)

Eko killed a pair, and Sun may have killed one last night - that's your 6 others from the previous poster.

This is it I am "done" "what crap" "I can't watch live anymore" "I will still DVR it and watch it maybe" Actually I am kidding. I love the show. I don't even have DVR.

Sure there are episodes that aren't up to par and there are great episodes. But when you come here, WOW. People are so passionale. I don't understand. On both sides of the like it or hate it crews.

It has become politcally incorrect to be neutral about anything anymore. We have become a completely polarized society. It has nothing to do with passion. It's the "I'm right and you're wrong" mentality that is poisoning our country and our world.

If anything "Lost" is a commentary on the good and the bad in all of us. We need to learn from it. But we probably are to busy looking for easter eggs to see the elephant in the room.

Eko killed 2 on beach with rocks.

I guess Lost doesn't hold up to the high standards that you require, such as those placed by an intelligent show such as My Name is EarlHey leave Earl alone.. I love that show..Maybe the Losties need a list to make the answers come out quicker...LOL

2 Losties killed by one of their own.

Am I missing someone (serious question, I can't remember anyone else)?

Three losties killed by one of their own, don't forget Shannon.

Eko killed a pair, and Sun may have killed one last night - that's your 6 others from the previous poster.

I remembered as soon as I posted it! DOH!

But that's still only 5, with one wounded.

Ana killed Goodwin 1
Charlie killed Ethan 1
Ana killed anonymous Others on the beach 1
Eko killed anonymous Others on the beach 2

Remember Jack and his Dad had the 'that's why the RedSox will never will the World Series' expression. I'm sure the Others overheard it via their snooping. So he was ready for Jack's skepticism.

That's some pretty good "snooping". :)

Ok, I'm confused.

Ana killed 2, 1 unknown and Goodwin. Charlie killed Ethan. so 3 Others Dead.

Ethan killed a Lostie (can't remember his name) and tried to kill Charlie (but Jack revived him). Goodwin killed what's his name (the red herring Canadian). So that's 2.

Michael killed Ana and Libby. Don't think we can call him an other, even though he was working for them at this point. THEY didn't tell him to kill anyone, his dumb but came up with that on his own.

It should be a count of:

3 others killed by Losties, 1 critically wounded.
2 Losties killed by Others, 1 hung but survived.

2 Losties killed by one of their own.

Am I missing someone (serious question, I can't remember anyone else)?

Actually, I had forgotten that Ana killed one Other before she killed Goodwin, so that's 2 for her.
Eko killed 2 of them when they tried to drag him off. (Subtotal: 4)
Charlie killed Ethan. (Subtotal: 5)
Sawyer killed 1 Other that was tracking them before they were captured. (Subtotal: 6)
And now, Sun may have killed Connie. That's 7.

I had also forgotten that, as you say, Ethan killed a "redshirt" Lostie and Goodwin killed the Canadian guy. So, that's 2 for them. I don't rank Ethan's "hanging" of Charlie as a real attempt to kill him because he clearly survived. More like a warning to the rest. Ethan could easily have killed Charlie had he really wanted to. (But Charlie got the ultimate revenge on him later anyway.)

And, Ana Lucia killed Shannon, so Losties have killed 3 of their own by "friendly fire". (Not counting Boone.)

So, final tally:
Losties: 6 (maybe 7)
Others: 2

I don't care and many others here don't care.
Maybe you should care. I've noticed a marked increase in negative comments and this in a forum where the most rabid Lost fans congregate. If they're dropping out, could casual viewers be doing the same thing? If you're that passionate about Lost then perhaps you should be a little concerned about this trend if you don't want it to be cancelled. Your energy would be better spent directing your comments to ABC or the writers than to tell others to go away. Because the more that 'go away' the more likely the show drops in the ratings.

If you don't like it discuss why. If you look at the post with dislikes they are welcomed and responded to nicely most of the time.
Not true. Look at replies like those of HiDefBob and danco. They remind me of the Trekkies back when. And THEY call these posters pathetic!! :rolleyes: The fact is no, they are not welcomed as you can tell by the replies they got and only rarely are those posts replied in a polite manner.

For the record, I don't post much in this forum anymore because although I still watch the show, I don't care about the characters or their stories as much as I used to in the first season. When I did post anything negative the vultures swooped down on me. However, as a fan it did concern me when someone would post something negative because that could be a sign of dwindling viewrship. I didn't mind the posts: what bothered me was that could lead to cancellation.

It has become politcally incorrect to be neutral about anything anymore. We have become a completely polarized society. It has nothing to do with passion. It's the "I'm right and you're wrong" mentality that is poisoning our country and our world.



Yes, the Blue/Red State mentality has gotten out of hand.

You're right that in this current climate, if you are even remotely critical of our government you are labelled 'unpatriotic' and reviled (Dixie Chicks are a pretty good example). If you question our presence in Iraq or elsehwere in the world then 'you must not support our Troops', etc. PLEASE NOTE I'M NOT TRYING TO START A DEBATE ON THIS OR ANY OTHER POLITICAL ISSUE, I'M JUST USING THIS AS AN EXAMPLE. There's no middle ground anymore with some people and that's unfortunate. Intelligent discussion of the issues used to be something this country excelled at. No longer. It's follow the leader or get off the bus. :-(

But I don't think that applies to the discussion of Lost we've been having here. The problem posts are those that trash the show and threaten to stop watching.....and then DON'T. If someone walks up to me and says "I hate Everything about this Country, I'm leaving next week" Well....hasta la vista sucka! :-) But then I run into this same guy again 2 weeks later, and he gives me the same speech...LEAVE ALREADY :-)

Maybe you should care. I've noticed a marked increase in negative comments and this in a forum where the most rabid Lost fans congregate. If they're dropping out, could casual viewers be doing the same thing? If you're that passionate about Lost then perhaps you should be a little concerned about this trend if you don't want it to be cancelled. Your energy would be better spent directing your comments to ABC or the writers than to tell others to go away. Because the more that 'go away' the more likely the show drops in the ratings.........

When HD-Optical got going it had a infection, that has now taken over all of AVS, very sad IMO. :mad:

That's some pretty good "snooping". :)

Sawyer killed 1 Other that was tracking them before they were captured.



Ok, I remember that one now.



So, final tally:
Losties: 6 (maybe 7)
Others: 2

The Others have been getting the worst of it...of course they deserve it :-) (probably).

Looks like the Losties have killed more of their own than the Others have. Then again, Ana killed Shannon because she thought she was an Other, and Michael killed Ana and Libby to get his son back from the Others... So if it weren't for the Others, all three would still be alive.

Yes, the Blue/Red State mentality has gotten out of hand.

You're right that in this current climate, if you are even remotely critical of our government you are labelled 'unpatriotic' and reviled (Dixie Chicks are a pretty good example). If you question our presence in Iraq or elsehwere in the world then 'you must not support our Troops', etc. PLEASE NOTE I'M NOT TRYING TO START A DEBATE ON THIS OR ANY OTHER POLITICAL ISSUE, I'M JUST USING THIS AS AN EXAMPLE. There's no middle ground anymore with some people and that's unfortunate. Intelligent discussion of the issues used to be something this country excelled at. No longer. It's follow the leader or get off the bus. :-(

But I don't think that applies to the discussion of Lost we've been having here. The problem posts are those that trash the show and threaten to stop watching.....and then DON'T. If someone walks up to me and says "I hate Everything about this Country, I'm leaving next week" Well....hasta la vista sucka! :-) But then I run into this same guy again 2 weeks later, and he gives me the same speech...LEAVE ALREADY :-)

I don't want to go down the political path either, because the moderators will swoop in and start deleting posts.

But I can't get past the overwheming theme in the show that all individuals and all groups are complicated and complex composites of positive and negative traits, and there is no such thing as pure goodness or pure evil.

We need to be reminded of that in these tense times, and if you miss that theme, you've missed the whole point of the show.

Hey leave Earl alone.. I love that show..Maybe the Losties need a list to make the answers come out quicker...LOL

hey MNIE is my 2nd favorite show on TV after lost, I'm just making a statement to Mr Intellectual who I was replying to

OK, nobody has speculated on how Sun's former lover wound up on Jin's car. Do you really think the guy jumped ? I'm not so sure, especially since he landed with the pearl necklace (the one intended for Sun) in his left hand. I'm thinking that either Sun herself, or her father's other bodyguards did it. If the father's crew did it, probably the reason Sun and Jin left the country was that Sun's father kicked Jin away, since Jin didn't have the balls to kill the guy.

OK, nobody has speculated on how Sun's former lover wound up on Jin's car. Do you really think the guy jumped ? I'm not so sure, especially since he landed with the pearl necklace (the one intended for Sun) in his left hand. I'm thinking that either Sun herself, or her father's other bodyguards did it. If the father's crew did it, probably the reason Sun and Jin left the country was that Sun's father kicked Jin away, since Jin didn't have the balls to kill the guy.

Sun followed Jin to Jae's. She suspected what was about to happen, and didn't want Jin to find out the truth behind her father's "hit" order. I suspect that she just might have finished the job herself. We'll see.

Don't you guys remember Scott/Steve from Season 1? Didn't the Others kill one or both of them as well?

(From Marc Berman’s Thursday, October 12,, 2006, Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com )

(Marc labels the “Lost” Nielsen performance as “quickly eroding” and “Dominant But Fading Fast”.)

“…ABC’s once unstoppable Lost has sprung an unexpected leak…The season three thriller remained the top-rated option at 9 p.m. last night at 16.66 million viewers and a 6.7 rating/17 share among adults 18-49, according to Nielsen Media Research data. But comparably that was only 180,000 viewers ahead of CBS’ competing Criminal Minds. And, year-to-year, that was a loss of 5.0 million viewers and 28 percent among adults 18-49.

In other news were the lackluster starts of NBC sitcoms 30 Rock and 20 Good Years. For a complete rundown on last nights rating results,

At 9 p.m., CBS’ Criminal Minds actually moved ahead of ABC’s Lost in the overnights, while trailing in total viewers by just 180,000 -- an amazing accomplishment (and a cause of great concern for ABC once new Taye Diggs drama Day Break temporarily steps in for three months in November). Take a look:

Wednesday 9 p.m.
Lost (ABC)
Overnights: 11.4/17 (#2), Viewers: 16.66 million (#1); A18-49: 6.7/17 (#1)

Criminal Minds (CBS)
Overnights: 11.9/17 (#1), Viewers: 16.48 million (#2), A18-49: 4.4/11 (#2)

While Lost is certainly still is garnering attention, notice the erosion from the year-ago evening:

Lost (ABC)
10/12/05 – Overnights: 14.0/20 (#1), Viewers: 21.66 million (#1), A18-49: 9.4/22 (#1)
10/11/06 – Overnights: 11.4/17 (#2), Viewers: 16.66 million (#1), A18-49: 6.7/17 (#1)
Percent Change – Overnights: -19, Viewers: -23, A18-49: -28

And, to make matters worse, Lost declined from the second half of Dancing With the Stars (Overnights: 13.6/20, Viewers: 19.52 million; A18-49: 5.1/14 at 8:30 p.m.) by 16 percent in the overnights and 2.96 million viewers. Should ABC be concerned? Personally, I would be….”

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

OK, nobody has speculated on how Sun's former lover wound up on Jin's car. Do you really think the guy jumped ? I'm not so sure, especially since he landed with the pearl necklace (the one intended for Sun) in his left hand. I'm thinking that either Sun herself, or her father's other bodyguards did it. If the father's crew did it, probably the reason Sun and Jin left the country was that Sun's father kicked Jin away, since Jin didn't have the balls to kill the guy.

I agree. Either Sun's father sent a "backup" assassin 'cause he knew Jin didn't have the stomach to kill someone (my first choice), or Kojak-san figured his life was basically over since he'd have to live the rest of it in exile and jumped out of despair. This will probably be revealed in a future flashback next season. :)

Knowing that many Asian cultures are centered around pride/shame and the gain and loss of that same pride/shame...I can see Jae committing suicide over it...

He thinks that Jin knows he cheated on his wife...
Because of that, he's not only shamed himself...but his father and their name.
He's shamed a business contract that Sun's father has with his father
He's shamed his name (and Sun's) by committing adultry.

Not to say that it was a good idea...(permanent solution to an otherwise temporary problem), but I can see him jumping based on the culture and the above points I made...

My question is...how'd he know or whoever know that ws Jin's car....Unless his apartment faced the front of the building, someone found out where to jump from to get Jin's attention. Or that was one crazy case of irony...Jae did leave the country, and I don't think he's coming back. Unless it's in a pysched out dream ala Jack and his dad...

Ratings for Lost are not looking good..and American Idol isn't even on yet.

ABC could be potentially be looking at 3rd place come January.

I think Ben's accelerated aging may also explain why Walt was all of a sudden alot bigger when he came back late in season 2. I remember the producers saying they were going to explain his sudden growth and this would fit in well with that.

I also dont think Sun would be capable of throwing this guy off the balcony, im fairly certain it was either a suicide or Sun's father's cronies finishing what Jin couldnt.

So, did ABC have to pay FOX to use that 5 second clip of the 2004 World Series coverage?

They've had a couple of episodes, like the finale last season and maybe one of the other last episodes leading to the cliffhanger where they minimized the backstory and let the action and tension flow.

Last night, there was the potential for a big confrontation (actually two if Sawyer had been able to take off all the armed ones, including Juliette) so the tension was building up.

Then they'd go to commercial and when they got back, they went to the back story. So Sun can hold secrets from her husband and she's capable of deception. And it was a long back story which detracted from the suspense.

It's as if the writers heeded the criticism about not too much being revealed about the Others. So for now, they've dropped the other questions, like Michael and Walt and the other survivors. Or how long since the monster/security system made an appearance?

At the beginning of the last season, it was about the hatch. Then they had a lot about the Dharma Initiative. They've cooled that for a couple of episodes but the previews for next week go back to the hatch apparently.

They have a lot of irons to keep in the fire, even without the backstories.

Trixie's warning may be telling, that we're not you're enemy but if Sun shot her, they would be. They're not your enemy but they send spies to abduct some of you and even kill some of you, then enslave you, then play mind games with you, then make sure you can't escape the island.

So lets see a real war then.

Remember Jack and his Dad had the 'that's why the RedSox will never will the World Series' expression. I'm sure the Others overheard it via their snooping. So he was ready for Jack's skepticism.



Ok, I'm confused.

Ana killed 2, 1 unknown and Goodwin. Charlie killed Ethan. so 3 Others Dead.

Ethan killed a Lostie (can't remember his name) and tried to kill Charlie (but Jack revived him). Goodwin killed what's his name (the red herring Canadian). So that's 2.

Michael killed Ana and Libby. Don't think we can call him an other, even though he was working for them at this point. THEY didn't tell him to kill anyone, his dumb butt came up with that on his own. EDIT: Ana killed Shannon by 'accident'. (thanks posg)

EDIT: OOPS forgot Mr Eko killed two that night on the beach

It should be a count of:

5 others killed by Losties, 1 critically wounded.
2 Losties killed by Others, 1 hung but survived.

3 Losties killed by one of their own.

Am I missing someone (serious question, I can't remember anyone else)?
you have to remember the tallies had 23 (some number close to that) survivors when the plane crashed, all were taken by the "others" except for 7. One killed by Goodwin and the other disappear. Goodwin claimed "the children are fine" implying the adults were dead. So you really have to include all those adults in your death count.

Anyone with captions get the exact spelling of Ben's last name? Linus? Lynus? Lynos?

Lymon? :-)

I am very disappointed with all of you in this thread. It has been over 14 hours since Sawyer was "staring at Kate's @ss" and not one single screen capture of that has been posted yet.

I am going to stop reading this thread. (Do they make DVRs for threads, maybe I'll do that instead!) Ok, maybe I'll read for one more week.


;)

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No screen shots of Kate bending over? This thrread has officially hit rock bottom.

Update - Thanks cherry ghost!

Everybody talked about the Others wanting "good" people. Do you now think they wanted Eko for his strength so he could break rocks or is the whole rock thing a psychologic test/torture?

I agree. Either Sun's father sent a "backup" assassin 'cause he knew Jin didn't have the stomach to kill someone (my first choice), or Kojak-san figured his life was basically over since he'd have to live the rest of it in exile and jumped out of despair. This will probably be revealed in a future flashback next season. :)

My money is on Sun's daddy...not a nice man.

you have to remember the tallies had 23 (some number close to that) survivors when the plane crashed, all were taken by the "others" except for 7. One killed by Goodwin and the other disappear. Goodwin claimed "the children are fine" implying the adults were dead. So you really have to include all those adults in your death count.

We'll have to call them MIA?

No bumpersticker jokes!

Knowing that many Asian cultures are centered around pride/shame and the gain and loss of that same pride/shame...I can see Jae committing suicide over it...

He thinks that Jin knows he cheated on his wife...
Because of that, he's not only shamed himself...but his father and their name.
He's shamed a business contract that Sun's father has with his father
He's shamed his name (and Sun's) by committing adultry.

Not to say that it was a good idea...(permanent solution to an otherwise temporary problem), but I can see him jumping based on the culture and the above points I made...

My question is...how'd he know or whoever know that ws Jin's car....Unless his apartment faced the front of the building, someone found out where to jump from to get Jin's attention. Or that was one crazy case of irony...Jae did leave the country, and I don't think he's coming back. Unless it's in a pysched out dream ala Jack and his dad...
Judging by the angle he landed and the distance from the building to the street to the car.and the speed that he hit the car. It is in my mathematical opinion with a degree of error of +2 that he was thrown.

Come on people, I did none of that. I think you guys are right about the second hit because the father knew his son in law could not accomplish the killing. Which is why he had him going to LA in the first place to get a similar job done right or pay the big price(his own death)

you have to remember the tallies had 23 (some number close to that) survivors when the plane crashed, all were taken by the "others" except for 7. One killed by Goodwin and the other disappear. Goodwin claimed "the children are fine" implying the adults were dead. So you really have to include all those adults in your death count.

The "good" people were taken by the others. Are you implying that the others took "good" tallies just to kill them ??? Goodwin's response regarding the children was in context a reponse to a question about the children.

The fact that he was holding the pearl necklace in his hand suggests that either he was speaking with Sun at the time, or that he commited suicide. I think the latter is more likely.

(From Marc Berman’s Thursday, October 12,, 2006, Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com )

(Marc labels the “Lost” Nielsen performance as “quickly eroding” and “Dominant But Fading Fast”.)

“…ABC’s once unstoppable Lost has sprung an unexpected leak…The season three thriller remained the top-rated option at 9 p.m. last night at 16.66 million viewers and a 6.7 rating/17 share among adults 18-49, according to Nielsen Media Research data. But comparably that was only 180,000 viewers ahead of CBS’ competing Criminal Minds. And, year-to-year, that was a loss of 5.0 million viewers and 28 percent among adults 18-49.



Disturbing. It seems for all the posts decrying the show and saying they are done, there are actually millions who have done so. I can't think of what they might be watching that they'd enjoy more? Dancing with the Stars? Seriously? Criminal Minds? Haven't watched it.

The "good" people were taken by the others. Are you implying that the others took "good" tallies just to kill them ??? Goodwin's response regarding the children was in context a reponse to a question about the children.

You beat me to this very response. Well said. ;) In truth we don't know what the Others did with the tailies they kidnapped, but there's been no evidence that they killed them.

The fact that he was holding the pearl necklace in his hand suggests that either he was speaking with Sun at the time, or that he commited suicide. I think the latter is more likely.

Another possibility is that the backup assassin (if there was one) put the necklace in Kojak-san's hand before he threw him off the roof onto Jin's car to send Jin an unmistakable message.

Another possibility is that the backup assassin (if there was one) put the necklace in Kojak-san's hand before he threw him off the roof onto Jin's car to send Jin an unmistakable message.

Jin didn't know about the pearls...it would have meant nothing to him. If it was suicide, it was a sentimental urge to hold the pearls. If it was murder by one of daddy's cronies, it was a message to Sun, not Jin.

Here are my thoughts, take them for what they're worth:

It seems obvious to me that The Others have nothing to do with the Dharma initiative, and indeed pre-date the Dharma Initiative on the island by many years. Perhaps The Others even drove Dharma off of the island.

I'm getting tired of the Losties not challenging The Others when they say "We're not the bad guys." Why doesn't anyone ask them to prove it?

Sun's lover was clearly killed by another one of her father's goons. The necklace in the hand is a (pardon the pun) dead giveaway.

The big question that comes to my mind so far is why all the emphasis on The Others flirting with each other? They've made it pretty blatant in both episodes this season. It seems to me they're foreshadowing events to come, but I wonder what the significance is.

Was I the only one who cheered when Sun shot that b*tch?

My two cents.

Mike

Jin didn't know about the pearls...it would have meant nothing to him. If it was suicide, it was a sentimental urge to hold the pearls. If it was murder by one of daddy's cronies, it was a message to Sun, not Jin.

Okay, that makes sense. And it lends credence to the "suicide" theory as, since Jin didn't know about Jae and Sun, he would have no reason to tell Sun about his latest distasteful task and what the victim had in his hand.

... When Kate was robbing banks, she had no problem beating the crap out of some men but now when she got an opportunity to help with Sawyer she completely wimped out and did NOTHING. That was so disappointing and inconsistent with her prior character portrayal. It would be more natural to try and escape even if unsuccessful.It was that dress. It feminized her. :D

Disturbing. It seems for all the posts decrying the show and saying they are done, there are actually millions who have done so. I can't think of what they might be watching that they'd enjoy more? Dancing with the Stars? Seriously? Criminal Minds? Haven't watched it.Let's see the week to week change instead of the year to year change. We all know that LOST shed viewers over the course of last season. How are the figures for this EP compared to the season opener (which was higher than the season ender last year)? Lost also looks to remain the solid #1 over Criminal Minds in the prime demo. Older folks are watching CM.

"Honey, this show is weird. Who are all these "other" people and why is everybody in cages? I just don't get it. And I don't like that one guy with the buggy eyes. He's kind of scary. Let's watch Criminal Minds instead. I always liked that Mandy Patinkin. He's such a nice man"


ron

When Kate was robbing banks, she had no problem beating the crap out of some men but now when she got an opportunity to help with Sawyer she completely wimped out and did NOTHING. That was so disappointing and inconsistent with her prior character portrayal. It would be more natural to try and escape even if unsuccessful.
I think Kate may have lost some of her spunk after being locked up in a cage and possibily raped by Ben and others. The Others are obviously trying to wear their three captives down and they're doing a good job.

You beat me to this very response. Well said. ;) In truth we don't know what the Others did with the tailies they kidnapped, but there's been no evidence that they killed them.



Another possibility is that the backup assassin (if there was one) put the necklace in Kojak-san's hand before he threw him off the roof onto Jin's car to send Jin an unmistakable message.
There is no evidence that they alive either. Remember the compound there was no children running free!

I am sorry just trying to look at both sides.

I think Kate may have lost some of her spunk after being locked up in a cage and possibily raped by Ben and others.

She lost it way before then. She has been someone that is bumbling and gets in the way for a good while now.

I think Kate may have lost some of her spunk after being locked up in a cage and possibily raped by Ben and others. The Others are obviously trying to wear their three captives down and they're doing a good job.

I agree with that. You can see the defeat in her face (good acting!). But have no fear; Kate will get her spunk back eventually and somebody's a$$ is going to get kicked. My bet's on Juliet.

There is no evidence that they alive either. Remember the compound was children free! I am sorry just trying to look at both sides.

No need to apologize, that's what we do here. :) And I'm sure we'll find out about the children and the other kidnapees eventually.

I think the whole point of the backstory was to show that Sun was capable of doing some bad things when her back was against the wall. Up until this point, she had been portrayed as very innocent.

The most telling point was when the Other told her that Sun wouldn't shoot her because she knew she wasn't a killer. The look on Sun's face was "that's what you think - force my hand I'll do it".

I think the subsequent shooting by Sun is pretty good evidence that Sun did kill her lover. He was beaten to a pulp by Jin and he wasn't all that strong to begin with. In his weakened state, Sun could have handled him - especially if she lured him to the balcony.

I actually yelled "DAMMIT" when I saw her wake up with Korean Telly Savalas. I had been hoping that hadn't happened. Sun is now a tramp :-(

Sun's probably had two lovers in her entire life. She was in a miserable, unhappy marriage she was planning to end -- that's why she started seeing him in the first place -- to learn English.

Was the man a tramp, too? Or are men who sleep with more than one partner during their life perfectly acceptable, while women are sluts and tramps?

Just curious.

OK, nobody has speculated on how Sun's former lover wound up on Jin's car.
Before he got cement (car) poisoning, I had paused to speculate to my wife that he had gone to the US and was waiting for Sun to join him as part of her running away from Jin.

The timeline would have to be very close for it to be his baby. ie they would have needed to get on the plane with a week or so of that night.

I think the subsequent shooting by Sun is pretty good evidence that Sun did kill her lover. He was beaten to a pulp by Jin and he wasn't all that strong to begin with. In his weakened state, Sun could have handled him - especially if she lured him to the balcony.

I find that highly unlikely. Her backstory pointed out her ability to lie, to her father, her husband, and everyone else. She's never shown an ounce of aggression prior to this. I can't see her killing the guy out of the blue like that. What would be the point. Her father and his cronies still know, so her secret isn't safe anyway.

And her shooting that girl seemed more like a reflex action from the boat being started up.

Here are my thoughts, take them for what they're worth:

It seems obvious to me that The Others have nothing to do with the Dharma initiative, and indeed pre-date the Dharma Initiative on the island by many years. Perhaps The Others even drove Dharma off of the island.


Then where are they getting all this Dharma initiative food, water and supplies? Juliette was drinking Dharma bottled water this episode.


Was I the only one who cheered when Sun shot that b*tch?

Mike

No, she bugged me too. Although I love Trixie from Deadwood lol

Was the man a tramp, too? Or are men who sleep with more than one partner during their life perfectly acceptable, while women are sluts and tramps?Since you asked, here's my answer: Sleeping with more than one partner your entire life is not the issue. Sleeping with someone else while you're married is. In this case, it was a woman. Sun may not have been happy, and it certainly seemed that Jin was somewhat demanding, but how different were Jin's expectations and treatment of from those of any other Korean man? I don't recall Sun being forced into the marriage - maybe I missed something.

Somebody mentioned this a couple of days ago, but what is the deal with Kate? She is turning more and more into a Gilligan character - sort of the role that Charlie played earlier in the series.

She used to be pretty savvy and adept at getting out of trouble but now she is always the one captured and held hostage. Glad to see that Sun at least has a spine - Kate's has totally disappeared.

Or she knows something we don't, and Sawyer doesn't. Which I think is pretty likely, given that we saw her at breakfast with Benjamin and then being put into the cell with handcuff marks all over her wrists.

I think Kate may have lost some of her spunk after being locked up in a cage and possibily raped by Ben and others. The Others are obviously trying to wear their three captives down and they're doing a good job.

I don't think this was it, however. Her manner when she went into the cage would have been totally inconsistent with a rape victim, and I can't believe the writers would have gotten this so completely wrong. Something happened, but I don't think this was it.

I don't think Sun killed her lover, either -- that would have been cold-blooded murder. She was far more afraid of her father than of Jin, and her father already knew. Plus, I just don't think she's that cold. Is it possible that she was *present* when he died, from either an accident or suicide? Yes, I think that's totally possible. That she shot him or pushed him over? Not likely, IMO. The metaphor between the backstory and present story was about deception and lies and the consequences -- not about Sun's ability to use violence.

Yeah but this is one of the problems that plague the ratings and viewer dislike, too many questions not enough answers. I love the show, but questions need to be answered from season 1 & 2 still. What are they going to do wait till season 5 and say "surprise here is all the answers you seek."
Questions that won't be happen this half of the season:
1)What powers did Walt have? He isn't signed on this year yet.
2)Where did they send Michael? he was reduced to a role player so they will not get to him till next year or if even.
3)Where are the children? They seem more focused on the captives and the rescue of them so far.
4)What happened to the fight attendent? Somebody will remind me of her name. She just disappeared.
5)Mrs Klue seemed a central part of the others now we haven'f seen anything about her, what happened?
6)Polar Bear?
7)Monster/security system?
8)heeling power?
These are just eight that I could think of now, maybe we can start listing other ones that have bothered us with no answers.

I find that highly unlikely. Her backstory pointed out her ability to lie, to her father, her husband, and everyone else. She's never shown an ounce of aggression prior to this.

She poisoned Michael in the first season. At that time it seemed like she was just an innocent girl taken advantage of by Kate. Now we see that she can be destructive to others if she has to.

The backstory was just about "lies" but the revelation of Sun's not so innocent inner self that is very well hidden. Her lies didn't just cover up for her but also resulted in others getting hurt.

The segment when the Other says "I know you won't shoot. I know you're not a killer" seems to give this away pretty clearly since it comes right on the heels of the scene of her lover's death. The Other was wrong about her shooting which implies that she was wrong about her not being a killer too. Remember that almost everyone on the island has killed someone.

Now the writers kept it vauge enough that they can choose to go in any direction they want, but the implication seemed pretty clear. Why else have the pearls? The father didn't know about them and her lover wasn't that much in love with her that he would kill himself. If he felt that much shame then he wouldn't have begged for his life earlier.

4)What happened to the fight attendent? Somebody will remind me of her name. She just disappeared.

IIRC, her name was Cindy...

Since you asked, here's my answer: Sleeping with more than one partner your entire life is not the issue. Sleeping with someone else while you're married is. In this case, it was a woman. Sun may not have been happy, and it certainly seemed that Jin was somewhat demanding, but how different were Jin's expectations and treatment of from those of any other Korean man? I don't recall Sun being forced into the marriage - maybe I missed something.

May not have been happy? Somewhat demanding? She was trapped in a marriage with a husband who had displayed a proclivity for violence. She couldn't just tell the guy she was getting a divorce and walk out -- she felt she had to escape to where he couldn't find her and leave the country. I think that's a little more than "not happy."

If turning to someone else in that situation makes you a tramp, I think it demonstrates a value for the letter of the law (or the marriage vow) far more than the spirit of it. Why doesn't Jin get criticized for breaking his vows to love, honor, cherish (or the Korean equivalent?)

I don't think Sun showed a willingness to jump into bed with just anyone, a lack of virtue, or any of the other qualities one would normally attribute to a "tramp" -- and I'm not, btw, saying I subscribe to those ideas, but even someone who does would be hard pressed to call Sun a "tramp," given the context.

There's a double standard, still -- there is no male equivalent to words like slut, tramp, etc., that are almost always used to describe women. A man who sleeps around is a stud, a ladies' man, or a Romeo (positive or neutral words), while a woman is a whore, slut, nympho, or tramp (derogatory words). A male virgin over the age of 18 is a wimp and a loser, while a woman is some paragon of chastity and virtue? Give me a break. The 19th century ended a long time ago.

Sun didn't kill her lover - that's just silly. First of all, even though she decided to no longer betray Jin, she still loved Jae. And Jae was no threat to expose their relationship since Jin had already threatened him to leave the country, and there's no indication that Jae wouldn't have done so.

As for Jae holding the pearls, what does that prove? Only that he loved Sun and would rather die than be without her, holding onto a last memento of her before throwing himself to his death.

Yeah, I believe Jae killed himself, but I'll keep open the possibility that another of Sun's father's thugs did it. But Sun certainly didn't.

She poisoned Michael in the first season. At that time it seemed like she was just an innocent girl taken advantage of by Kate. Now we see that she can be destructive to others if she has to.

The backstory was just about "lies" but the revelation of Sun's not so innocent inner self that is very well hidden. Her lies didn't just cover up for her but also resulted in others getting hurt.

The segment when the Other says "I know you won't shoot. I know you're not a killer" seems to give this away pretty clearly since it comes right on the heels of the scene of her lover's death. The Other was wrong about her shooting which implies that she was wrong about her not being a killer too. Remember that almost everyone on the island has killed someone.

Now the writers kept it vauge enough that they can choose to go in any direction they want, but the implication seemed pretty clear. Why else have the pearls? The father didn't know about them and her lover wasn't that much in love with her that he would kill himself. If he felt that much shame then he wouldn't have begged for his life earlier.


I think we also got a hint of your theory in the beginning of the show. We saw Sun as a child break a doll ballerina, yet when her father confronted her about it, she said it was the maid, and wouldn't budge when her father said he'd have to fire her. If we were to think that the story was just any kid who would blame others, why show it in last night's episode ?

As for Jae holding the pearls, what does that prove? Only that he loved Sun and would rather die than be without her, holding onto a last memento of her before throwing himself to his death.

If he was so distraught over Sun then why wait until then to kill himself? Her father found out earlier that day. If he was so shamed then why beg for his life with Jin?

The whole point of the backstories is to show that the characters behave far differently than how we think they would. Who would have ever thought Locke would have stalked his father given the demeanor he displays on the island?

There's a double standard, still -- there is no male equivalent to words like slut, tramp, etc., that are almost always used to describe women. A man who sleeps around is a stud, a ladies' man, or a Romeo (positive or neutral words), while a woman is a whore, slut, nympho, or tramp (derogatory words). A male virgin over the age of 18 is a wimp and a loser, while a woman is some paragon of chastity and virtue? Give me a break. The 19th century ended a long time ago.

Unfortunately 21st century religious hypocracy is still alive and well.

Sun's probably had two lovers in her entire life. She was in a miserable, unhappy marriage she was planning to end -- that's why she started seeing him in the first place -- to learn English.

Was the man a tramp, too? Or are men who sleep with more than one partner during their life perfectly acceptable, while women are sluts and tramps?

Just curious.

Wow, didn't realize that word carried so much power around here. You realize we're talking about fictional characters right? ;-)

My view of Sun was that of an innocent girl who was uncorrupted by her father's wealth and power. She married the poor son of a fisherman and did her best in a bad marriage. Finding out that she cheated on Jin diminishes that view for me, that's why I was disappointed.

When it comes to marriage, there are people who are faithful and there's everyone else. You can call the women tramps or the guys man-whores, it's still a failure to remain faithful. I wasn't referring to the number of sexual partners she had.

Should we blame her for doing something for herself, or trying to find some small measure of happiness in the midst of her miserable married life? That depends on your views on marriage.

They took Sun's character on a darker turn this episode, and honestly her cheating on her husband bothered me a heck of a lot more than her shooting Trixie. I don't mind them giving her an edge, but I hope they don't take her character TOO far into the darkness.

ABC Spins the “Lost” Numbers
(ABC News Release) Oct. 12, 2005

"Lost" (9:00-10:00 p.m.)

The No. 1 TV program of the night in Adults 18-49 for the second week in a row, ABC's "Lost" won the 9 o'clock hour in Total Viewers (16.7 million) and Adults 18-49 (6.7/17). Among Adults 18-49, "Lost" (6.7/17) beat out second-place CBS' "Criminal Minds" by 52% (4.4/11) and third-place NBC's "Biggest Loser" by 123% (3.0/8).

• "Lost" qualified as Wednesday's No. 1 TV program across the key adult demos (AD18-34 - 5.6/16, AD18-49 - 6.7/17 and AD25-54 - 7.4/17) and among Teens 12-17 (4.2/14).

• Compared to where it ended last season, "Lost" was up in viewers and young adults (2006 May Sweep = 15.7 million viewers & 6.6/15 in Adults 18-49). In fact, excepting last week's season opener and the season finale in May, "Lost" attracted its largest audience since February and its second-highest Adult 18-49 number since April - since 2/15/06 and 4/5/06, respectively.

Has anything been said about that mysterious foot statue we saw on the season finale last year? That was one of the things that intrigued me the most.

I don't think that the game was picked up and recorded off the air from the Lost island's local ABC affiliate. Just a guess..... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Nice with the eye rolls. :rolleyes: First off the game was broadcast on Fox. Secondly I was just stating that the images of the broadcast appeared to look like it had some interference, wether from using an antenna to pull in the signal or a sat dish. Also why not question the equipment thats used possibly betamax which appears to be from the 70's or early 80's yet he uses a wireles remote?? Just makeing some observations about the scene as a lot of people could have missed a lot due to the fact that there attention is drawn into the fact that there showing the Red Sox had won the world series.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=031SPmQ90dk

ABC Spins the “Lost” Numbers
(ABC News Release) Oct. 12, 2005

"Lost" (9:00-10:00 p.m.)

The No. 1 TV program of the night in Adults 18-49 for the second week in a row, ABC's "Lost" won the 9 o'clock hour in Total Viewers (16.7 million) and Adults 18-49 (6.7/17). Among Adults 18-49, "Lost" (6.7/17) beat out second-place CBS' "Criminal Minds" by 52% (4.4/11) and third-place NBC's "Biggest Loser" by 123% (3.0/8).

• "Lost" qualified as Wednesday's No. 1 TV program across the key adult demos (AD18-34 - 5.6/16, AD18-49 - 6.7/17 and AD25-54 - 7.4/17) and among Teens 12-17 (4.2/14).

• Compared to where it ended last season, "Lost" was up in viewers and young adults (2006 May Sweep = 15.7 million viewers & 6.6/15 in Adults 18-49). In fact, excepting last week's season opener and the season finale in May, "Lost" attracted its largest audience since February and its second-highest Adult 18-49 number since April - since 2/15/06 and 4/5/06, respectively.

Fred,

There are no such things as "facts" anymore. They have been totally replaced by "spin". (And even worse, total fabrications)

Throwing gas on the fire!!!!

I have to agree with some of what the so-called negative posters have said. I like this show a lot, but don't love it. That being said I really enjoyed the first two seasons. The first two episodes of Season Three have been a disappointment. If it wasn't for the last ten minutes of last nights episode, I would be even more dissapointed. I am really hating the Three Amigos. Sawyer took a turn in that last ten minutes, but Jack and Kate are still jelly fish. I hope they can go back to the Lost camp and give us the consequences of the hatch disaster. Right now, that seems to be a potentially more compelling story. Maybe Desmond is still alive.:) Oh, and on the body count I would guess you would have to say Locke killed Desmond or Desmond killed Desmond.:)

Ericglo

Maybe Desmond is still alive.:) Oh, and on the body count I would guess you would have to say Locke killed Desmond or Desmond killed Desmond.:)

Ericglo

He's a season regular, in the credits and everything. So unless he's a ghost or all flashbacks, I think we can keep him off the body count list. And in the previews as well (sans underwear?)

From what I saw (I'll have to watch it again) Sun didn't mean to shoot the Other...she got startled and it seemed her finger slipped and fired. She seemed just as surprised as the Other that the gun went off.

I actually yelled "DAMMIT" when I saw her wake up with Korean Telly Savalas. I had been hoping that hadn't happened. Sun is now a tramp :-(

I won't be surprised if we find out she didn't actually sleep with him and he got whacked for nothing - a typical Lost twist. When he got out of the bed, he had is pants/or PJ's on - not that it means anything.

The first two episodes of Season Three have been a disappointment.
So far it's been more action/adventure than mystery this season. Lotsa feudin' and shootin' and killin'. I'm hoping at some point this will stop and we'll learn something about this wacky island.

Has anything been said about that mysterious foot statue we saw on the season finale last year? That was one of the things that intrigued me the most.
I also would like to know more about what that meant. Also at the end of last season we saw a bright light in the sky when the "incident" occurred. What was that significance? How about more on the artic people who sensed the magnetic disturbance and its meaning. Lots and lots of questions.

I won't be surprised if we find out she didn't actually sleep with him and he got whacked for nothing - a typical Lost twist. When he got out of the bed, he had is pants/or PJ's on - not that it means anything.


It just seemd to me that they were in the AFTER portion of the before/during/after sequence :-)

Hey, if you think me calling her a tramp is bad, check out what Kristin on eonline called her:

eonline article (http://preview.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=c4876dde-ed0a-48b7-90bb-ff15a590fedf)

In case anyone else was curious, TPTB say Ben's last name is definitely Linus:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=59944

Here's some mythology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_%28mythology%29

I've noticed a marked increase in negative comments and this in a forum where the most rabid Lost fans congregate.

No offense, but you have absolutely no concept of a forum where "the most rabid Lost fans congregate". At maybe a hundred or so posts a day on the subject this thread is extremely, extremely tame (and one of the reasons I now follow it -- much easier to keep up with). There are Lost forums out there where you can literally make a new post, and in the time it takes between you hitting "submit" and the main forum page refreshing there will be 20 topics with more recent posts to them. Count to 60 and hit refresh again and if it hasn't gotten replies that topic will be down on page 4 already.

Unfortunately 21st century religious hypocracy is still alive and well.

I like women that sleep around. It raises the odds.

One Thing I Haven't Seen Discussed Yet.doesn't Ben Say Something About The Village Being A "dummy" Village When He Is Talking About Capturing The Boat?

I actually yelled "DAMMIT" when I saw her wake up with Korean Telly Savalas. I had been hoping that hadn't happened. Sun is now a tramp :-(Frak!...fell asleep last night. The last thing I remember is Sun hearing footsteps on the boat. I said last season (it was obvious to me) she and Telly had something going on. I slightly dozed off (but still saw saw Telly fall onto the car), but it seemed as though Jin was not his assailant.

So far it's been more action/adventure than mystery this season. Lotsa feudin' and shootin' and killin'. I'm hoping at some point this will stop and we'll learn something about this wacky island.Yeah, like the Adam and Eve mummified bodies found nestled in a nook in the cave at the very beginning of the first season! :)

I think he was referring to the fake village on the island that Sayid found abandoned, not the "Other" suburbia where they have book clubs.

Yes, the village with the dock and fake hatch doors was what he was referring to...

Yes, the village with the dock and fake hatch doors was what he was referring to...


The Other Town, the Fake Village, and the Dock are three different locations.

Right, don't know why I mixed that up. It's the fake village with the huts and fake hatch doors.

Frak!...fell asleep last night. The last thing I remember is Sun hearing footsteps on the boat. I said last season (it was obvious to me) she and Telly had something going on. I slightly dozed off (but still saw saw Telly fall onto the car), but it seemed as though Jin was not his assailant.

Hate when that happens:

Sun's Daddy found out about the 2 of them, and ordered Jin to kill him. Jin didn't know they were sleeping together. Daddy told him that the man had 'stolen' something from him.

Jin whipped his *ss but allowed him to live if he left Korea and never returned.

As Jin stepped into his car, the body fell onto his hood.

Speculation is he either committed suicide or that Sun's dad had one of his minions finish the job that Jin was supposed to do.

No offense, but you have absolutely no concept of a forum where "the most rabid Lost fans congregate". At maybe a hundred or so posts a day on the subject this thread is extremely, extremely tame (and one of the reasons I now follow it -- much easier to keep up with). There are Lost forums out there where you can literally make a new post, and in the time it takes between you hitting "submit" and the main forum page refreshing there will be 20 topics with more recent posts to them. Count to 60 and hit refresh again and if it hasn't gotten replies that topic will be down on page 4 already.

You really could have said that in a much nicer way. ;)

anyone else getting the impression the "others" are accelerated growth children or something developed, but gone haywire? To be used as soldiers ala Star wars? Perhaps they destroyed the Dharma initiative through brute force? I believe there was a storyline on Star Trek Enterprise where Brent Spiner was their father figure. The behavior of the others is kinda giving me some Lord of the Flies freakiness. Has anyone seen any real intelligence out of any of them yet?

I've been with Lost and this thread from the beginning and find both a good use of time. The show continues to fascinate and it has enough going for it to keep me interested.

It does seem, though, as if some of the, for want of a better word, mystery has gone out of it. In the beginning there was a lot of discussion/speculation about why polar bears on a tropical island, remote viewing, what the numbers mean, what's in the hatch, what the heck is the pissed off giraffe/monster, and the like. It seemed as if the show always teetered on the edge of Twilight Zone/science fiction.

This season we are getting some of the answers, and they are less exotic than expected or hoped for (possibly by some). The remote viewing is just "Big Brother", the polar bear escaped from a cage, the "Others" wear Izod. The producers always said there was a logical explanation for all the events and didn't need any "supernatural" explanations. I guess I had set myself up hoping it would be more than that.

Now, I am not abandoning the show by any means. There are still a number of unanswered questions, like what exactly is Smokey the Monster and how come Locke can walk, and despite information from other sources, the show itself has not provided an actual explanation of what the numbers mean.

The irony is that those who were impatient to "know the answers" are getting a number of them as promised. I guess I'm still hoping for something like Jack to be revealed as a replicant or something :).

Hate when that happens:

Sun's Daddy found out about the 2 of them, and ordered Jin to kill him. Jin didn't know they were sleeping together. Daddy told him that the man had 'stolen' something from him.

Jin whipped his *ss but allowed him to live if he left Korea and never returned.

As Jin stepped into his car, the body fell onto his hood.

Speculation is he either committed suicide or that Sun's dad had one of his minions finish the job that Jin was supposed to do.

I'd put money on Sun's father himself throwing the guy off the balcony. This was a very personal thing to him.

Hey, if you think me calling her a tramp is bad, check out what Kristin on eonline called her:

eonline article (http://preview.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=c4876dde-ed0a-48b7-90bb-ff15a590fedf)You know, I kinda like her EP recap.

Did I read someone saying "nympho" was a bad thing? :confused:


ron

I've been with Lost and this thread from the beginning and find both a good use of time. The show continues to fascinate and it has enough going for it to keep me interested.

It does seem, though, as if some of the, for want of a better word, mystery has gone out of it. In the beginning there was a lot of discussion/speculation about why polar bears on a tropical island, remote viewing, what the numbers mean, what's in the hatch, what the heck is the pissed off giraffe/monster, and the like. It seemed as if the show always teetered on the edge of Twilight Zone/science fiction.

This season we are getting some of the answers, and they are less exotic than expected or hoped for (possibly by some). The remote viewing is just "Big Brother", the polar bear escaped from a cage, the "Others" wear Izod. The producers always said there was a logical explanation for all the events and didn't need any "supernatural" explanations. I guess I had set myself up hoping it would be more than that.

Now, I am not abandoning the show by any means. There are still a number of unanswered questions, like what exactly is Smokey the Monster and how come Locke can walk, and despite information from other sources, the show itself has not provided an actual explanation of what the numbers mean.

The irony is that those who were impatient to "know the answers" are getting a number of them as promised. I guess I'm still hoping for something like Jack to be revealed as a replicant or something :).I understand where you're coming from Peter. I too was one of the people that would have been just fine if the show had traveled down the mystical/fantasy road a bit more. It really first hit me at the season opener last year when we finally saw what was in the hatch. That was the point for me when the show changed and I knew that they hadn't been stringing us on when they said everything was based in reality of some sort. It was a little sad but it didn't bother me for long.

No matter what direction they had decided to go in the beginning, it was bound to make some of the audience unhappy. I remember a bunch of people at the beginning saying they'd be really pissed off if it did turn out to all be a bunch of magical goings on, so they must be happy now. Either way, I'm flexible. I just like to be entertained and they've done a great job of it and kept my attention to this point.


ron

[QUOTE=FreeBaGeL]No offense, but you have absolutely no concept of a forum where "the most rabid Lost fans congregate"./QUOTE]

Actually I think you have no concept of the simple point I was making. So I'll write this s-l-o-w-l-y.

There are many - maybe not the most - Lost fans in this forum. Most of them are diehard followers. Some have lost interest. Ergo, the concern.

Nowhere did I state that this is THE most active Lost forum on the web.

Dynot! My man! What's shakin' brotha :D


ron

Did I read someone saying "nympho" was a bad thing? :confused:
But Kristin also called Jae a bastard - which is what we didn't do. Since we didn't apply a derogatory term to him as well as to Sun, we're pigs. :rolleyes:

Here's what happened, Sun follows Jin right after the beatdown, Jae asks her again to run away with him, pulls out necklace - he hears a noise and pushes Sun into another room as 2 goons enter - they throw him out window, aiming for Jin, (2 messages in one), - they exit, Sun exits right behind having seen it all.

I still like LOST, but others make good points about 'lost' :rolleyes: direction in the show, for example, I can't believe Sayid never thought of another direction the Others could advance on the sailboat, and this new 'Freckles' is not my cup of tea. Must be the by-product of Hobbit love.

Still, I look forward to each new epi so'll I'll stick out another season.

Gene


Hate when that happens:

Sun's Daddy found out about the 2 of them, and ordered Jin to kill him. Jin didn't know they were sleeping together. Daddy told him that the man had 'stolen' something from him.

Jin whipped his *ss but allowed him to live if he left Korea and never returned.

As Jin stepped into his car, the body fell onto his hood.

Speculation is he either committed suicide or that Sun's dad had one of his minions finish the job that Jin was supposed to do.

The more that is revealed, the less mesmerizing the story becomes. Sad but true.

I still love it but I seriously doubt they can maintain the integrity of the show for 75 or so more episodes.

Dynot! My man! What's shakin' brotha :D


ron

Ron...glad to see I'm not forgotten!! ;)

Ready for the new season???

Just chiming in with my $0.02....

I'm going with the Jae suicide theory. He obviously thought that Jin knew about their affair and was attacking him for it. Once he realized that he could never be with her, he figured he would kill himself... If he didn't want to die and was forcibly thrown from the hotel room, I'm guessing he would have put up some sort of struggle and thus, would have dropped the pearls...

Put me in the naive group, but I don't think it is certain that they (Sun and Jae) actually had sex. Obviously, Sun saying "I cannot do this" could have been interpreted two ways... 1) I can't have sex with you or 2) I can't continue to carry on this affair...

As for whoever it was that was looking for the monster... it looks like it may resurface next week (based on the previews)...

Originally Posted by Whitearrow
Sun's probably had two lovers in her entire life. She was in a miserable, unhappy marriage she was planning to end -- that's why she started seeing him in the first place -- to learn English.

Was the man a tramp, too? Or are men who sleep with more than one partner during their life perfectly acceptable, while women are sluts and tramps?

Just curious.

Didn't Jae tell Sun he had a girlfriend/fiance' in America during their first date? He's a slut too.
I actually don't hold either one of them to a high standard because its so common nowadays to stray. That doesn't make it right, but nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to infidelity.

I seem to recall that Sawyer had problems with a wild boar in season 1. His wheelbarrow happens to have a razor back logo on it. Go figure. ;)

On another topic, I wonder what gives Ben his power as leader of the others?

He's obviously shrewd and intelligent, but why do the Others follow his orders without question? He certainly takes a leadership role and seems to be running things. You wouldn't expect a small, closed society to have the usual system of wealth or social status to help a small middle aged man consolidate that much power.
Maybe he's been on the island the longest so he's got the most island Mojo...

http://www.stuffmagazine.com/girls/yunjin_kim/yunjin_kim_l1.jpg

http://www.stuffmagazine.com/girls/yunjin_kim/yunjin_kim_l1.jpg
http://www.stuffmagazine.com/cover_girls/girl.aspx?id=562

From what I saw (I'll have to watch it again) Sun didn't mean to shoot the Other...she got startled and it seemed her finger slipped and fired. She seemed just as surprised as the Other that the gun went off.
That's an occupational hazard when you're pointing a gun at someone, with your finger on the trigger.

Rule 1: All guns are always loaded;

Rule 2: Never point a gun at something you are not willing to destroy;

Rule 3: Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot;

Rule 4: Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

If Sun's shooting was an accident, it's because she violated at least the first three rules. The fact that Sun shot Trixie (or whatever her Lost name is) in the left side of the abdomen also means she was questionable on Rule 4.

~Dan

On another topic, I wonder what gives Ben his power as leader of the others?

He's obviously shrewd and intelligent, but why do the Others follow his orders without question?
Well, we don't know yet, but if the Others are really DHARMA employees, then maybe it's because he's the boss...

~Dan

so who's life will be flashbacked next week? Locke? Desmond? Hurley?

I wonder if we will get episodes this season where they flashback in the lives of the Others?

Lets see... last season they did flashbacks of the people in the tail section of the plane. I don't think they've done flashbacks of the French woman or Desmond or anyone who was already on the island before the plane crash?

No wait a minute. I think I remember Desmond flashbacks now.

hmmm... gotta buy the DVDs.

What’s up with the show going beyond 10PM? I watched the first 2 episodes last night on DVR and both shows went beyond my record time, so I didn’t get to see the endings. :mad:

What’s up with the show going beyond 10PM? I watched the first 2 episodes last night on DVR and both shows went beyond my record time, so I didn’t get to see the endings. :mad:

That's quite common these days; got to pad those suckers. My DVR's guide info almost always gets it right, however (SA8300 via TWC in Charlotte), so I never need to pad start or ending times. The networks may try this stunt to frak with people using DVR's and keep their audience tuned in, but they always have to release the actual running times for the shows for technical reasons. Good cable/sat guides will incorporate this accurate data and your DVR ought to be picking it up.

But you know what? In this particular case, I kind of like it! The show that follows LOST is called 'The Nine', and from the two episodes I've seen, this is the best of the fall crop of new shows, as the critics predicted. Anything that gets more people watching this one, by hook or crook, is a good thing, IMO. If you like LOST, you ought to love the 'The Nine'.

That's quite common these days; got to pad those suckers...
I was telling my wife this morning they don’t want to give you an opportunity to switch channels. If I watched more than 2 network shows I would be more aware of how prevalent this practice has become.

When I swapped my 942 for the 622 I didn’t continue my locals (I have OTA), so I don’t get a guide for local channels and I have to do a manual timer. I did go in last night and extend the recording time for future shows.

This thread is just like the 24 thread...

“This show sucks.”

“This show rocks.”

“I’m not watching anymore.”

“Then stop posting.” Etc., etc., etc....lol.

I believe that Jin is not the baker that put the bun in Sun's hot little oven, so to speak. I also think Baldy committed suicide because he loved Sun and didn't want to live without her.

Didn't Jae tell Sun he had a girlfriend/fiance' in America during their first date? He's a slut too.
I actually don't hold either one of them to a high standard because its so common nowadays to stray. That doesn't make it right, but nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to infidelity.

True, but I could care less about his character. And it's a given that any man who sleeps with another man's wife is scum. Finding Sun waking up in bed with Telly was a disappointment for someone who actually liked her character. There aren't that many 'innocent' people on the show to root for, she was one of them.

That's not to say that I don't like her character...in fact it makes it more interesting. But my view of her has changed. If that makes any sense.

You know, I kinda like her EP recap.

Did I read someone saying "nympho" was a bad thing? :confused:


ron


She's kinda flaky, but due to her position she gets a buttload of info/interviews with the cast and producers. Makes for a fun read. I believe the word 'tramp' is what set off the political correctness alarms. :-)

What’s up with the show going beyond 10PM? I watched the first 2 episodes last night on DVR and both shows went beyond my record time, so I didn’t get to see the endings. :mad:

the show has been doing this since S1. It was quite common for the show to go up to 10:05p

Another reason for shows "spilling" into the adjacent time slot.

The shows themselves still run 42 minutes. They just place more advertising in the show with the bigger audience and higher rate card, and borrow the necessary advertising time from the following time slot.

the show has been doing this since S1. It was quite common for the show to go up to 10:05p

It's the only show that I record that does this. Sometimes I miss some of the next week's preview on other shows but never actual contents.

OK, so the "new" DHARMA station run by the "others" is "Hydra", with a multi-arm logo to match. But in the Ep 2 scene where Julliet tosses Sawyer the canteen, it has a differerent logo. To my eye it looked like a wide horizontal bar. That is very similar to the logo that was on the tail of the shark last season, FWIW.

So which station does the "bar" logo correspond to?

Mike

A couple of new Hanso links when you google Benjamin Linus. Did not see this posted yet

Hanso Adoptions

http://www.hansoadoptions.org/?gclid=CLrZgf6p9ocCFS4bGgodRwIXwg
&
A lawyer suing Hanso Foundation

http://www.mackthompsonlaw.com/?gclid=CM-uwdmq9ocCFQwQGgod5matug

so who's life will be flashbacked next week? Locke? Desmond? Hurley?

not really a spoiler, but just incase.. Locke

Sorry to get off the Sun/Jin/Jae topic but does anyone have any HD captures of the TV screens that Benry was looking at? There were 6 TV screens one had Kate and Sawyer, one was the Fishbowl w/ Jack and I was wondering if anyone could make out what the other 4 were. One had problems w/ the vertical hold but that was all I could notice w/ my SD feed.

the show has been doing this since S1. It was quite common for the show to go up to 10:05p

Thanks for that heads up. I reset it for 10:03, but I will now change it to 10:05 just to be sure.

Finding Sun waking up in bed with Telly was a disappointment for someone who actually liked her character. There aren't that many 'innocent' people on the show to root for, she was one of them.

That's not to say that I don't like her character...in fact it makes it more interesting. But my view of her has changed. If that makes any sense.

Then you were given the double whammy when we found out she did sleep with Telly, and when she was younger she lied about breaking the ballerina and got the maid fired.

I was disapointed in Sun's affair as well. Up until now I saw Sun as someone who loved her husband but not what he did. I understood she "needed" to get away from the situation.

Now it seems like she does not respect her husband. And we know Jin is at heart (Till the writers change it I guess) a GOOD guy.

He did what he felt he had to do to be with the woman he loves. Despite being between a rock and a hard place we have seen him NOT kill men his father in law wanted dead.

Sorry to get off the Sun/Jin/Jae topic but does anyone have any HD captures of the TV screens that Benry was looking at? There were 6 TV screens one had Kate and Sawyer, one was the Fishbowl w/ Jack and I was wondering if anyone could make out what the other 4 were. One had problems w/ the vertical hold but that was all I could notice w/ my SD feed.


http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x02-ballerina/3/3x03-ballerina-cap650.jpg


http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x02-ballerina/3/3x03-ballerina-cap651.jpg

Then you were given the double whammy when we found out she did sleep with Telly, and when she was younger she lied about breaking the ballerina and got the maid fired.


LOL yeah that was mean. :-)

A couple of new Hanso links when you google Benjamin Linus. Did not see this posted yet

Hanso Adoptions

http://www.hansoadoptions.org/?gclid=CLrZgf6p9ocCFS4bGgodRwIXwg
&
A lawyer suing Hanso Foundation

http://www.mackthompsonlaw.com/?gclid=CM-uwdmq9ocCFQwQGgod5matug

Several very interesting things to be found on these links. Including another Dharma logo (click the blank copyright date on the bottom oif the page on the first link). I also signed up for the newsletter and received the first one. Is this old news or have I been duped by a Lost fan site?

Several very interesting things to be found on these links. Including another Dharma logo (click the blank copyright date on the bottom oif the page on the first link). I also signed up for the newsletter and received the first one. Is this old news?

That new Dharma logo looks like yin-yang fetuses. If you look closely enough, you can see the outline in the white part that corresponds.

She's kinda flaky, but due to her position she gets a buttload of info/interviews with the cast and producers. Makes for a fun read. I believe the word 'tramp' is what set off the political correctness alarms. :-)

"Buttload" may be appropriate based on the flashback....

A couple of new Hanso links when you google Benjamin Linus. Did not see this posted yet

Hanso Adoptions

http://www.hansoadoptions.org/?gclid=CLrZgf6p9ocCFS4bGgodRwIXwg
&
A lawyer suing Hanso Foundation

http://www.mackthompsonlaw.com/?gclid=CM-uwdmq9ocCFQwQGgod5matug
I think these are Fan sites.

Official Lost sites have copyright links that lead to ABC/Disney web sites...

~Dan

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x02-ballerina/3/3x03-ballerina-cap650.jpg


http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x02-ballerina/3/3x03-ballerina-cap651.jpg


To me, the cameras look like they are on:

Kate's holding cell, Sawyer's holding cell, Jack's room (angle #1), Jack's room (angle #2), The hallway outside Jack's room (oscillating from one end and then the other), and some wooded area. Also, the screen that is covered by Ben's head in the second capture provided by cherry ghost is unknown but could be another angle in Jack's room or the room on the other side of the glass.

I paused and went back several times but couldn't make out all screens. Thanks for posting that, cherry ghost!

I'm guessing there are monitors like this that cover the beach where the Losties are and the hatch (other than the monitors in the Pearl), as well as many other areas on the island.

I was disapointed in Sun's affair as well. Up until now I saw Sun as someone who loved her husband but not what he did. I understood she "needed" to get away from the situation.

Now it seems like she does not respect her husband. And we know Jin is at heart (Till the writers change it I guess) a GOOD guy.

He did what he felt he had to do to be with the woman he loves. Despite being between a rock and a hard place we have seen him NOT kill men his father in law wanted dead.Keep in mind that what we saw was a flashback and much has happened since then. I don't think that Sun does not respect Jin. I think she was tempted due to various factors, and ultimately did give in. But it seems she also did have remorse (saying she could not continue with it) and then further, having the epiphany at the airport where she realized just what Jin meant to her and decided to abandon her plan to ditch him. I kinda think the baby is Jae's and I also think Jae jumped on his own. The fact that he landed on Jin's car was coincidence that "just happened" to make for a dramatic impact (literally and figuratively of course ;)).


ron

On the ABC Lost site, episode recap video, the written synopsis of the Jae scene lists it as his "suicide". Not sure if this means absolute proof because of the writers previous misdirections but this seems too trivial a topic in the overall picture to try and fool people.

I think these are Fan sites.

Official Lost sites have copyright links that lead to ABC/Disney web sites...

~Dan

Could be but they are in the sponsored links so I think you have to pay for that. That is a lot of dedication if you are going to pay google.

On the ABC Lost site, episode recap video, the written synopsis of the Jae scene lists it as his "suicide".

It's listed that way because that is how the korean authorities on the show ruled the incident. Remember that Sun and her father talked about it at the funeral and mentioned that it had been ruled a suicide.

Of all of the possibilities, especially considering the theme of the backstory, suicide seems to be least likely.

It's listed that way because that is how the korean authorities on the show ruled the incident. Remember that Sun and her father talked about it at the funeral and mentioned that it had been ruled a suicide.

Of all of the possibilities, especially considering the theme of the backstory, suicide seems to be least likely.

Went back to check because I didn't remember any authorities saying anything. Sun's father does say the following: "I'm told he jumped off a balcony. He must have felt great shame".

Again, they list the video clip as Jae's suicide. Not a big enough deal to try and deceive anyone. What/how would it add to the storyline to make a difference?

OK, so the "new" DHARMA station run by the "others" is "Hydra", with a multi-arm logo to match. But in the Ep 2 scene where Julliet tosses Sawyer the canteen, it has a differerent logo. To my eye it looked like a wide horizontal bar. That is very similar to the logo that was on the tail of the shark last season, FWIW.

So which station does the "bar" logo correspond to?

Mike

It appears to be the same canteen/logo Ethan had in Claire's "medical hatch" flashback last season.

TPTB have stated this logo is so far not named in the series, so keep your ears peeled. :)

Again, they list the video clip as Jae's suicide. Not a big enough deal to try and deceive anyone. What/how would it add to the storyline to make a difference?

I'm not sure I'm following. On the show, it is considered a suicide so that is how it is described in the clip. If the korean authorities considered it a homicide then Sun's father wouldn't be telling Sun that he has been told that he jumped.

If Sun was somehow involved then it is a big deal and would affect the storyline.

To me, it seems very unlikely that he jumped but the writers can certainly go anyway they want with it as they purposely left it vague. Jae wasn't losing anything by being forced to leave Korea as he was fine with that anyway. He was sort of a playboy and while he may be infatuated with Sun at the moment, it is unlikely that he would take his life over losing her.

Keep in mind that what we saw was a flashback and much has happened since then. I don't think that Sun does not respect Jin. I think she was tempted due to various factors, and ultimately did give in. But it seems she also did have remorse (saying she could not continue with it) and then further, having the epiphany at the airport where she realized just what Jin meant to her and decided to abandon her plan to ditch him. I kinda think the baby is Jae's and I also think Jae jumped on his own. The fact that he landed on Jin's car was coincidence that "just happened" to make for a dramatic impact (literally and figuratively of course ;)).


ron
great recap.

this is IMHO very clear and obvious... i'm not sure why people misconstrue such obvious scenarios as they unfold (maybe it's becuase they're not shown linearly).

Jae wasn't losing anything by being forced to leave Korea as he was fine with that anyway. He was sort of a playboy and while he may be infatuated with Sun at the moment, it is unlikely that he would take his life over losing her.Jae was losing something very important to a non-Westerner, he was losing face (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_%28social_custom%29). Not just for Sun alone -whom he appeared to be more than merely infatuated with, thus the pearl necklace- but his social peers as well.

What about that young chick who came and talked to kate. Where did she and her cage escapee boyfriend come from?

And why's they steal her dress?

What about that young chick who came and talked to kate.
Wasn't that Alex; Rousseau's daughter?

What about that young chick who came and talked to kate. Where did she and her cage escapee boyfriend come from?

And why's they steal her dress?
That's Alex, Danielle's (the French woman) daughter. She's an Other, now. We met her last season...

~Dan

oh yeah, i forgot about her.

Jae was losing something very important to a non-Westerner, he was losing face (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_%28social_custom%29). Not just for Sun alone -whom he appeared to be more than merely infatuated with, thus the pearl necklace- but his social peers as well.And another possible reason which could have been substantial. He just got the crap beat out of himself by a representative of Sun's father, the Asian Bad MF, who he knows was actually sent to kill him. More than likely knowing the kind of person Sun's father is, he probably figured that when the father found out that the deed had not been completed, that he'd send someone else out to finish the job, where ever he fled to. His options were to flee the country, spending his days fearing for his life anyway, or to do the "more honorable" thing, save a little face for himself and his family, and do himself in instead. He probably just figured he was dead either way anyway...


ron

I said this was the first episode that I didn't like, I think their actions were not believeable, especially when you consider how they've behave in the pevious 2 seasons. Now, some of you are jumping on me for voicing my opinion (with really intelligent counter-opinions nonetheless), dude...I am glad I'm not on an island with you guys...I agree with you. I've also been with this show from the beginning, watching most shows multiple times (now that's what I'd call pathetic - LOL) and participating in this and other online discussion forums. In every series there are some duds, but IMO the duds in Lost have been few and far between. The problem with last night for me was the believability aspect of it and the amount that the pacing has changed. It's almost like they were trying to appeal to a different audience than they had attracted in seasons 1 and 2.

Didn't they bring on some writers last year who had previously been on 24? If so, perhaps that explains the pacing feeling different.

Tim

What are the odds that all of those old TVs in the monitoring station would still be working after so many years?

Also, has it been confirmed that the Ben that Juliette was having a problem with in the book club meeting couldn't have been "Benry" with a face transformation coinciding with the electromagnetic event? If he's not one and the same, then I guess Juliette has an issue with more than one Ben on the island.

Tim

Jae was losing something very important to a non-Westerner, he was losing face (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_%28social_custom%29). Not just for Sun alone -whom he appeared to be more than merely infatuated with, thus the pearl necklace- but his social peers as well.
The pearl necklace was a loving and meaningful gesture to Sun by Jae. By holding it in his hand and committing suicide, it would be his last testament as to how much he loved her and his unwillingness to bring disgrace to her and her family.

I agree with you. I've also been with this show from the beginning, watching most shows multiple times (now that's what I'd call pathetic - LOL) and participating in this and other online discussion forums.

Not at all, Timmy. I watch LOST and BSG twice each week, then again on DVD some months later. You ain't alone. :)

What are the odds that all of those old TVs in the monitoring station would still be working after so many years?

They were still having shipments dropped, so not that unusual.

The problem with last night for me was the believability aspect of it and the amount that the pacing has changed. It's almost like they were trying to appeal to a different audience than they had attracted in seasons 1 and 2.

I was wondering about the pacing also. But they are changing direction, and I expect Sayid and the survivors will raid the Others camp, as well as, now that the magnetic shield has been destroyed, the island will be ‘visible’ and Desmond’s girlfriend and other rescue teams will be on the way.

I was thinking along the lines of the longevity of the tubes and anti-corrosive ability of all the wiring inside that station.

when you think about it, what the writers/producers are trying to do with Lost is really unique. They're trying to sustain a central mystery throughout the entire run of a series, revealing and adding more mysteries. Other serials like 24 or Veronica Mars have self-contained seasons. Similarly, Prison Break has self-contained seasons (act I: break out of prison, act II: run). You can pick up these shows and start watching with any season. Forget doing that with Lost.

Then there are lots of shows with multi-season arch / mythology like X-files, Buffy, and BSG that still have self-contained episodes (monster of the week / battle of the week).

Lost, OTOH, is truly one long running serial. The only thing that "resolves" in an episode is the backstory. It's a pretty brilliant way to give the viewers some sort of catharsis / resolution.

The only other show I know of that did this (sans backstory) was the Prisoner. But that ran only one season.

I think maybe Lost would be better off if they plan for a definite run of 5 years instead of trying to stretch it out as long as viewers are still interested. Depending on how the mystery turns out, maybe they can do a Lost: The Next Guinea Pigs.

PS: I agree that Kate has lost her mojo lately. I think E Lily is so damn cute the writers are too busy ogling her to remember what a badass Kate is supposed to be. Damn sexist pigs! :)

And another possible reason which could have been substantial. He just got the crap beat out of himself by a representative of Sun's father, the Asian Bad MF, who he knows was actually sent to kill him. More than likely knowing the kind of person Sun's father is, he probably figured that when the father found out that the deed had not been completed, that he'd send someone else out to finish the job, where ever he fled to. His options were to flee the country, spending his days fearing for his life anyway, or to do the "more honorable" thing, save a little face for himself and his family, and do himself in instead. He probably just figured he was dead either way anyway...


ron

Following the Jae suicide/murdered thread. I agree with ron all the way. No matter where he would run Sun's dad would get to him and he knew it.

JeffAtlanta - you keep quoting the Korean authorities. Where from? Also, to recap what I said before, the ABC website clip uses the word suicide, the aired show on the other hand only has Sun's father saying he heard "he jumped". You also state that if Sun was involved that it would "be a big deal and would affect the storyline". How so? Who cares?

I think that some are jumping to conclusions about Sun and Jae. I don't think they were waking up, but she had turned away from him. She says "I can't do this" "I am married" and the key phrase, "I am sorry for your blue balls."

I think that some are jumping to conclusions about Sun and Jae. I don't think they were waking up, but she had turned away from him. She says "I can't do this" "I am married" and the key phrase, "I am sorry for your blue balls."
nope.

I think that some are jumping to conclusions about Sun and Jae. I don't think they were waking up, but she had turned away from him. She says "I can't do this" "I am married" and the key phrase, "I am sorry for your blue balls."

Hah! I knew I missed something in that exchange... I should have turned on the closed captioning! :eek: :D

what are blue balls?

I thought he was talking about some beer joint. Sounded like brew bars to me. ;)

what are blue balls?

Reminds me of the time one of my (non-American) co-workers asked me what a dingleberry was... :confused:

Here ya go...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_balls

And before you ask....

http://www.bartleby.com/61/10/D0231050.html

Oooh - you're in for it now, CP. :D

Here ya go...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_balls

My favorite part about that link is the fact that it lists a medical research article titled "Blue Balls."

"You never made me soup." Any doubt Juliet and Ben were an item?
The other interpretation of that line is that Ben was once where Jack is now -- Juliet's prisoner.

Also, has it been confirmed that the Ben that Juliette was having a problem with in the book club meeting couldn't have been "Benry" with a face transformation coinciding with the electromagnetic event? If he's not one and the same, then I guess Juliette has an issue with more than one Ben on the island.
What are you talking about? The Ben they were referring to at the book club meeting (he wasn't there) was Benjamin "Henry Gale" Linus, yes. He appeared outside a few moments later, watching the plane crash, then issuing orders. I noticed no difference in his face.

...The Ben they were referring to at the book club meeting (he wasn't there) was Benjamin "Henry Gale" Linus, yes. He appeared outside a few moments later, watching the plane crash, then issuing orders. I noticed no difference in his face.Oh, I thought the guy who complained about Juliette's choice of books at the meeting was named Ben. I must've been mistaken.

I thought he was talking about some beer joint. Sounded like brew bars to me. ;)
HahahHAHAhAhaha

That's Alex, Danielle's (the French woman) daughter. She's an Other, now. We met her last season...

~Dan

She appears to be a reluctant or rebellious other. Wasn't she the one who rescued Claire last season?

Wasn't she the one who rescued Claire last season?
That is correct.

Oh, I thought the guy who complained about Juliette's choice of books at the meeting was named Ben. I must've been mistaken.

That guy's name was Adam.

If someone walks up to me and says "I hate Everything about this Country, I'm leaving next week" Well....hasta la vista sucka! :-) But then I run into this same guy again 2 weeks later, and he gives me the same speech...LEAVE ALREADY :-)

Oh yeah, that reminds me - what's Alec Baldwin been up to lately? :D