Anyone with captions get the exact spelling of Ben's last name? Linus? Lynus? Lynos?

Lymon? :-)

'Linus' as per closed captioning.

Whether you are still a fan of the show or not (I am), I've noticed for the past two seasons I was as excited, if not more, to read the Posts on this thread as watching the show. So much going on, such an in depth plot, it was great to see what I missed, what I didn't understand, or just good old fashion "what other folks think is going on".

So far this season, I'm reading people regurgitate what we already saw, quoting lines, but not a lot of interesting tid bits some may have missed.

For those that say the show has been getting worse, I can understand their feelings as a lover of the show, I do see it being just plain vanilla so far this season.

I've been wondering if it's coincidence that Jack, the surgeon, is in an operating theatre and Sawyer and Kate, the criminals, are behind bars.

I've been wondering if it's coincidence that Jack, the surgeon, is in an operating theatre and Sawyer and Kate, the criminals, are behind bars.
good observation.

I wonder what Ben will ask Jack to do? They got Micheal to kill so he could leave the island with Walt. Will Ben ask Jack to kill? Kill Kate or Sawyer? I get the feeling that one of those two is doomed this season. The way they've played up the romance between them. Love affair between those criminals, Kate and Sawyer, would probably end in death for one of them. I think one of those two won't make it to season four.

What do you all think Ben will ask Jack to do?

And, what are they having the chain gang build? Juliette had blueprints and everything.

... Kill Kate or Sawyer? I get the feeling that one of those two is doomed this season. The way they've played up the romance between them. Love affair between those criminals, Kate and Sawyer, would probably end in death for one of them. I think one of those two won't make it to season four.

That's interesting. I read in a mag or news bit that the guy who plays Sawyer was talking about how no one on the show knows what will happen from ep to ep. He was complaining that so many of the actors have families, have tried to put down roots in Hawaii, but the next script will off their character, and they'll only know 3 days before shooting the ep. Guess they feel like no one is safe.

Oh yeah, that reminds me - what's Alec Baldwin been up to lately? :DMost likely being belligerent as usual. :rolleyes: Some people never learn. ;) I wonder what Ben will ask Jack to do? My theory is they want him to impregnate Kate.That's interesting. I read in a mag or news bit that the guy who plays Sawyer was talking about how no one on the show knows what will happen from ep to ep. He was complaining that so many of the actors have families, have tried to put down roots in Hawaii, but the next script will off their character, and they'll only know 3 days before shooting the ep. Guess they feel like no one is safe.Oh boo hoo. Take the money and run.

My theory is they want him to impregnate Kate.

Is there no end to their horrible abuse of Jack???!!! :D

ahhh...how many pages did I miss in two weeks? Jezz....well I've seen the first two episodes twice now, and while I liked the first two episodes, I think they are too slow to get to certain parts. I think they should have touched on all parts of the island in the first episodes, not just the Others camp (mainly Jack, Kate and Sawyer)...Oh well... 4 more to go and then its over this year

Well Ben did promise Jack that he would take him home if he did as Ben asked when the time came. Something tells me that two of the three will be sent back to the beach and the third will be going home. Jack will have to decide on saving his own life or that of Kate and Saywer.
Kind of like Jack was taking his father home from Sydney, I'll bet Jack is sent home along with his father, in two coffins.

Kind of like Jack was taking his father home from Sydney, I'll bet Jack is sent home along with his father, in two coffins.

did he ever find his dad's coffin? I remember there being A coffin in season 1, but can't remember if it was his dads.

His dad's empty coffin, bwahahahaha!

...are men who sleep with more than one partner during their life perfectly acceptable, while women are sluts and tramps?

That is correct. :D

They just had a major quake in Hawaii.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061015/ap_on_re_us/hawaii_earthquake
Quake knocks out power across Hawaii - Yahoo! News

They just had a major quake in Hawaii.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061015/ap_on_re_us/hawaii_earthquake
Quake knocks out power across Hawaii - Yahoo! News
someone forgot to push the button! :D

...are men who sleep with more than one partner during their life perfectly acceptable, while women are sluts and tramps?That is correct. :DSome things will never change. ;)

Not at all, Timmy. I watch LOST and BSG twice each week, then again on DVD some months later. You ain't alone. :)
I am with you, multiple views helps because you always miss something. I am at work at 7 am everymorning so sometimes I fall asleep while viewing but I always record to watch it again. Each week I always get 2 views.

most telling point was when the Other told her that Sun wouldn't shoot her because she knew she wasn't a killer. The look on Sun's face was "that's what you think - force my hand I'll do it".

I think the subsequent shooting by Sun is pretty good evidence that Sun did kill her lover.

The others don't think she's not a killer. They KNOW she's not a killer.

When she uttered that line, it pretty much sealed that Sun definitely did not kill Jae.

My money would be on her dad himself, not another henchman. Dad knew about the pearls, but did not tell Jin and would not have given the details to another henchman.

The others don't think she's not a killer. They KNOW she's not a killer.

When she uttered that line, it pretty much sealed that Sun definitely did not kill Jae.

My money would be on her dad himself, not another henchman. Dad knew about the pearls, but did not tell Jin and would not have given the details to another henchman.
Hey, she had no problem shooting her because she was already attacked by the "Others"(really Charlie). I don't think it was an accident at all that she pulled the trigger. She was protecting herself. I don't think that they "know" like you said. But we really won't find that out till the second half of season 3.

When she uttered that line, it pretty much sealed that Sun definitely did not kill Jae.

She also said that Sun wouldn't shoot and she did. I rewatched it again and it was not an accident like some are trying to portray it. The boat's engine did start up but that is the distraction the Other used to make her move on Sun. When she moved toward Sun, she pulled the trigger.

I don't even think the Others really know if Jack's wife is "happy" or not. To me, it seemed more like a horoscope type thing where you just feed people information they want to hear.

Thinking about it, wasn't it dumb that the guys with the guns were on top of the boat and it was the woman, forgot her name, who goes to check down where most probably someone was hiding. That or they were pretty sure that Sun was not going to shoot.

Thinking about it, wasn't it dumb that the guys with the guns were on top of the boat and it was the woman, forgot her name, who goes to check down where most probably someone was hiding. That or they were pretty sure that Sun was not going to shoot.
I'm still trying to figure out how they got past Sayid's "well thought out" ambush to even get on the boat.

I'm still trying to figure out how they got past Sayid's "well thought out" ambush to even get on the boat.
"They don't leave tracks" Ana Lucia to Eko (or someone else) after the nine was taken. So they probably walked on water.
Either way they got there will be a problem for all of us because Said is suppose to be an officer of war. He laid out a good plan and they went around him with the Beach to his back with him not noticing anything. Come on!!!! He would at least noticed someone walking on the dock. But my little 2 cent answer, just an opinion, other then walking on water is that the Hydra has tunnels leading to that dock, which is invisible to the naked eye(if they can make an island disappear they could do this). This is how they got the sharks and soon to see dolphins in the ocean.

I'm still trying to figure out how they got past Sayid's "well thought out" ambush to even get on the boat.

I'm still trying to figure out how Sayid, master warrior and tactitian, forgot about securing the boat. Why not sail it out into the lagoon and drop anchor? That would at least prevent the Others from just walking onto the boat from the dock. Or assign Jin to boat security (but he may have been afraid Jin would sail away with Sun).

To say nothing of how Sayid was going to attack a superior force, numbers indeterminate, and capture 2 of them while killing all the rest, all with only 2 hands and 2 guns. But I did catch myself thinking, what a total bada$$!! when he first told Sun of his "plan". :D

I think that Sayid was totally taken by surprise that the Others would want the boat rather than capturing/killing whoever lit the signal fire. That pretty much invalidated his whole plan as he thought the Others would be approaching the fire, not the boat.

I'm still trying to figure out how Sayid, master warrior and tactitian, forgot about securing the boat. Why not sail it out into the lagoon and drop anchor? That would at least prevent the Others from just walking onto the boat from the dock. Or assign Jin to boat security (but he may have been afraid Jin would sail away with Sun).

To say nothing of how Sayid was going to attack a superior force, numbers indeterminate, and capture 2 of them while killing all the rest, all with only 2 hands and 2 guns. But I did catch myself thinking, what a total bada$$!! when he first told Sun of his "plan". :D
I thought about that, put the boat out in the water, away from the dock, but I didn't mention it because obviously, as nuttyinnyc notes, these "others" do appear to move around without being seen so walking on water is not a stretch. :rolleyes:

It's the lack of answers/explanations to these sorts of things that are really trying my patience with this show.

I think that Sayid was totally taken by surprise that the Others would want the boat rather than capturing/killing whoever lit the signal fire. That pretty much invalidated his whole plan as he thought the Others would be approaching the fire, not the boat.

The problem with his trying to predict the Others' behavior is that he has no idea what their motivations are. It was easy to trap Ethan when they knew Claire was what he wanted.

Until they know what the hell the Others want, they'll always be a step or two behind.

Let's hope Locke goes back to being Locke this season and becomes useful in retrieving Jack and Skate.

I just remembered something Juliet said when the other girl told Ben that the Iraqi had a boat. She said "so what, they'll just sail around in circles."

I wonder if the heading Ben gave Michael is the only way to get away from the island or is Michael just chugging around in circles?

I just remembered something Juliet said when the other girl told Ben that the Iraqi had a boat. She said "so what, they'll just sail around in circles."

I wonder if the heading Ben gave Michael is the only way to get away from the island or is Michael just chugging around in circles?

My impression is that the coordinates Ben gave were the ones that would take Michael out of the "dome" that apparently encompasses them. While not particularly trustworthy, he did say it in a manner that I felt like he was telling the truth. Who knows? Although, it does seem odd that he would give what is presumably their only boat to Michael, now that I think of it.

My impression is that the coordinates Ben gave were the ones that would take Michael out of the "dome" that apparently encompasses them. While not particularly trustworthy, he did say it in a manner that I felt like he was telling the truth. Who knows? Although, it does seem odd that he would give what is presumably their only boat to Michael, now that I think of it.
And how much gas did that boat have?

I think that Sayid was totally taken by surprise that the Others would want the boat rather than capturing/killing whoever lit the signal fire. That pretty much invalidated his whole plan as he thought the Others would be approaching the fire, not the boat.Anchoring the boat off shore is called a contingency plan - it wouldn't take much effort (Sun could have done it herself), it would be more hidden from the light of the fire, and Sun could even stay on deck to look for anyone approaching (not that she could have done anything about it). If the Others could walk on water, they wouldn't need the boat. That's one of the reasons I'm starting to have trouble with this show - the inconsistencies. One week Sawyer gets decked by a 100 lb woman, the next he's taking on three 200 lb guys and winning. One week Sayid's a master of strategy, the next he's overlooking some simple details. It's not like he rushed into this plan. Just my opinion.

And how much gas did that boat have?Didn't the boat have sails? Seems to me it's pretty breezy around the island. And I'm sure the Others have an infinite supply of fuel to go along with their ability to get information about people's personal lives, their ability to walk on water and leave no footprints in mud, their ability to be in two places almost at once (last week Juliet got from Jack's cell to the construction site pretty quick - maybe just masterful editing), etc.

There's a double standard, still -- there is no male equivalent to words like slut, tramp, etc., that are almost always used to describe women. A man who sleeps around is a stud, a ladies' man, or a Romeo (positive or neutral words), while a woman is a whore, slut, nympho, or tramp (derogatory words). A male virgin over the age of 18 is a wimp and a loser, while a woman is some paragon of chastity and virtue? Give me a break. The 19th century ended a long time ago.

It sounds like your issue is more with society and its perception of things as a whole than anything said here. This is nothing new, and feel free to disagree with society's perceptions of these things all you want but regardless based on those perceptions Sun was indeed a "tramp" of sorts.

To be (ahem) serious for a moment, I believe there is a culture difference not being taken into account here. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I would guess that Korean society and mores are not the same as those in America these days, and that is the crux of what the writers are portraying here.

Didn't the boat have sails?
Not Michaels boat.

What is wrong with you people? I think it can be a reason but It was kind've a joke about walking on water however that made more sense to some of you here then the other explanation which I felt was more plausible. Hydra having tunnels that lead to the dock. That is the same dock they were brought to, when captured. They never show them leaving the dock after the mask were put on the finale and season 3 started soon after being captured. They didn't walk very far.
What if there is a room like Jack's (his room is for sharks and dolphins after they do their test the Hatch that Jack was pulling at opens and the animals swim free) room that extends in to the ocean and has a hydro-lift and it lifted them to the dock?

Didn't the boat have sails? Seems to me it's pretty breezy around the island. And I'm sure the Others have an infinite supply of fuel to go along with their ability to get information about people's personal lives, their ability to walk on water and leave no footprints in mud, their ability to be in two places almost at once (last week Juliet got from Jack's cell to the construction site pretty quick - maybe just masterful editing), etc.

Or CLONES :-) (thought I'd let go of that by now, did you?)

Michael and that boat is a non issue, they have enough gas and food. his story ended for now. He is not on the cast for this half of the season(2nd half he might be part time) and Ben gave him the correct escape coordinates to get into the shipping lane.
The one way they might have him come back is because he kept going around in circles because of what Desmond did with his Key, he changed the location of the escape coordinates.
Or he ends up meeting des girl at the corordinates and she wants michael to help her find Desmond.

What is wrong with you people?

Let's not get into THAT!

[Originally Posted by nuttyinnyc
What is wrong with you people?


QUOTE=maxman]Let's not get into THAT![/QUOTE]

hahahaha!! now this WAS a rhetorical question!

Not Michaels boat.
Definitely not enough fuel capacity to really get anywhere. It's just another one of those "just accept the scenario and move along please, no questioning allowed, they're other people behind you in line". :p

Definitely not enough fuel capacity to really get anywhere. It's just another one of those "just accept the scenario and move along please, no questioning allowed, they're other people behind you in line". :p

Michael and Walt are not boating to a faraway country; rather, they are MEETING a rescue team at those coordinates given to them by Ben. Obviously, the "others" have contact with the outside world on a regular basis.

One week Sawyer gets decked by a 100 lb woman, the next he's taking on three 200 lb guys and winning.
Jack was the one who got beat up by a woman.

How many pounds does Jennifer Garner weigh? She gave a stuntman a pretty nice concussion by accident. The big guy went straight down holding his head. It's an outtake on the season two Alias DVD set.

Michael and Walt are not boating to a faraway country; rather, they are MEETING a rescue team at those coordinates given to them by Ben. Obviously, the "others" have contact with the outside world on a regular basis.
I missed that, that does sound reasonable.

Not Michaels boat.My bad.
What is wrong with you people? I think it can be a reason but It was kind've a joke about walking on water however that made more sense to some of you here then the other explanation which I felt was more plausible.Actually, I took it as a joke, but was trying to make a point that the Others often appear to be invincible. It's as if they're the gods from Olympus grounded on this island, but with many powers still intact.
Jack was the one who got beat up by a woman.Wasn't Sawyer decked by Ana Lucia and Kate last season? Others have mentioned how Kate loses her spunk just when the writers need her to - she gets caught by the others when Jack goes after Michael the first time, and again last week. But she can also kick ass when it's convenient - just not consistently.

Wow, just occured to me, with all this talk of the Others, Michael sailing away, etc: we saw at the end of the season some people from the outside world getting a bead on the losties. Can't wait for that aspect of it enter into things!

Cavi, there is a lot of things that were answered in during the season finale. But with the answers more and more questions appeared. We have only had 2 episodes so far and the back story was about one person and they basically focused on that person for most of the episode. Jack-centric and they focused on him trying to escape and should he eat or not. Sun-centric and they focused more about trying to capture some "others" and make trades or an all out seige with 3 guns. Next will be Lock-centric. Are we only going to find out what happened in the hatch. In the earlier years (like the show is ten years old)they did a lot in a forty-two min show. Mutiple things can be cgoing around while the character has he flasback episode. The best example of this was Sawyer/James with his long con to get the guns. Other then the Pilot espisode that show had everyone involved. They start more shows like that and we can be totally hooked again.Time for bed I can't beleive it is 2 am

Wow, just occured to me, with all this talk of the Others, Michael sailing away, etc: we saw at the end of the season some people from the outside world getting a bead on the losties. Can't wait for that aspect of it enter into things!At the current pace I don’t expect that to happen for some time. I look for that to come into play during the last season, which at this point, I think will be S4. Now that they have a lock on Desmond’s boat they could be rescued in a few hours. I look forward to that, because I think Desmond’s GF, Sonya Walger (The Mind of the Married Man on HBO), is one pretty lady.

http://www.celebopedia.com/walger/images/sonya_walger.jpg

Michael and Walt are not boating to a faraway country; rather, they are MEETING a rescue team at those coordinates given to them by Ben. Obviously, the "others" have contact with the outside world on a regular basis.

That's taking quite a leap, isn't it? Ben told Michael to sail along a particular heading (presumably into a shipping lane) and they will "find rescue". A typically unspecific response. I didn't get that it was a particular coordinate location at all. In fact, Michael could simply be sailing in circles because of magnetic anomalies and the Others might expect to get their boat back at some point (and we'll see more of Michael and Walt).

Correct, no co ordinates were given, just the compass heading.

Maybe I missed this, but I though Desmond's boat was a SAIL boat... And he was in some sort of around the world sailing race... You would think they would make auxilliary motors on a boat against the rules of the race.

And Sayid said he needed Jin to help him SAIL the boat.

Yet when the Others took over the boat, it had a motor!

Do you think this was just a HUGE continuity error? Or was Desmond cheating at the race? Or what? Any thoughts?

Most sailboats have motors for in harbor usage and the like.

Now I have to check out season 2 to be sure, but here is my opinion.
1)Most boats like this have motors. You should always have a second option in case there is no wind.
2)If he was in any kind of Race, they would be watching him someway to make sure he never used it. But some races have motor stages.
3) I think he was still practicing.
4)I think the motor and frame had problems when he crashed on the island and his partner in the hatch was fixing it so he can escape.
5)Said probably didn't want to use the motor because it made too much noise. Remember he was trying to sneak up on the OTHERS.

I've been wondering if it's coincidence that Jack, the surgeon, is in an operating theatre and Sawyer and Kate, the criminals, are behind bars.


And after The Glass Ballerina we have Sayid the Terrorist threatening to kill two Others and torture one of them to convince the other "Other"

we have Sun back as the Star Crossed LOver and Jin back as the Prisoner of Mr. Paik's

And after The Glass Ballerina we have Sayid the Terrorist threatening to kill two Others and torture one of them to convince the other "Other"

we have Sun back as the Star Crossed LOver and Jin back as the Prisoner of Mr. Paik's
Not sure I understand the Sun/Jin reference, but when Sayid said that about "one to convince the other", I immediately thought of Sawyer and Kate. Sawyer gets zapped to get Kate to wear the dress and Kate gets a gun to the head to convince Sawyer to drop his gun. Sadly, that seems to be Kate's only use lately.

Not sure I understand the Sun/Jin reference, but when Sayid said that about "one to convince the other", I immediately thought of Sawyer and Kate. Sawyer gets zapped to get Kate to wear the dress and Kate gets a gun to the head to convince Sawyer to drop his gun. Sadly, that seems to be Kate's only use lately.

Sawyer was not involved with Kate's dress (other than staring up it)!

Kate did force Jack & co to surrender their weapons last season with Zeke. She has been getting in the way recently.

Everyone has been commenting how weak Kate seems to be, but I get the feeling Sawyer and Kate are playing Good Cop/Bad Cop with the Others. They maybe feeling things out. I guess we will find out in time.

Maybe I missed this, but I though Desmond's boat was a SAIL boat... And he was in some sort of around the world sailing race... You would think they would make auxilliary motors on a boat against the rules of the race.

And Sayid said he needed Jin to help him SAIL the boat.

Yet when the Others took over the boat, it had a motor!

Do you think this was just a HUGE continuity error? Or was Desmond cheating at the race? Or what? Any thoughts?

While Desmond was in a Race he was surely in the cruising class. His boat is by no means a Hi-tech racer. Nice boat but too much teak and ammenities below deck. Almost all racing sailboat classes, including "around the world", are required to have auxilary power and fuel for safety reasons. Though, "around the world races" are the only ones where you are not required to finish the race with everyone you started with. You can lose someone overboard, and after a resonable search, continue on.
Why the Others decided to use the stanky, and Sayid used the rags, might have to due with stealth, but it could also be a small continuity error. The boat will handle better, be quieter, and go farther, under sail.

Catching up over a weeks worth of posts:

Its my thought that the others got to Desmond's boat via another boat, and it was the other's boat motor that we heard. Just because Micheal took one of their boats, doesn't mean it was the only boat the others had. I think they could easily have gotten by Saied and Jin if they approached by water.

Why would Benry want the sail boat? Perhaps the others have some motorized boats, but a sail boat is more useful to Benry for some technical reason. Or, perhaps he just does not want the Losties to have access to a boat.

I thought it was a huge story flaw that Jin thought that Sun would be safer on the boat considering what happened to him on the raft. He should have considered that the others could show up by boat (with molotov cocktails) instead of by land. He does not know that Micheal took the other's boat (which may not have been their only one).
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I think Kojak killed himself
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I still think Kate is upset about the loss of her toy plane. Not sure if that is why she is not being herself, but it is still something I think will come up.
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And poor Desmond. per the previews, lost his underwear and now his boat.
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I hope the show wraps up this season. I like it, but I want the story to complete itself without getting stretched thin. A similar show that carried a mystery too long was Twin Peaks. I don't want this show to do that.

Catching up over a weeks worth of posts:

Its my thought that the others got to Desmond's boat via another boat, and it was the other's boat motor that we heard. Just because Micheal took one of their boats, doesn't mean it was the only boat the others had. I think they could easily have gotten by Saied and Jin if they approached by water.



I think they used the motor on the sailboat. Depending on tides and wind, they might not have been able to go in the direction they wanted using sails.

I think they used the motor on the sailboat.
Sure looked like prop wash (wake) coming out from the stern while the Others "sailed" away...

~Dan

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Since Sayid was lighting his fire using gas from a can off the boat, then we can assume that it does have a motor. It does make Jin's threat of not helping sail look a bit weak though.

Wasn't it the sound of someone trying to start the engines that got Jin's attention and caused her to head for the front hatch?

Wasn't it the sound of someone trying to start the engines that got Jin's attention and caused her to head for the front hatch?

try gunshots....

but who cares


Whats everyone's predictions for tonight? I'm glad we get to see what happens to Locke, Eko and Desmond...are we predicting a quick death for Desmond? I hope not...can't wait for 9pm :)

Whats everyone's predictions for tonight?


Hurley has a hilarious one-liner.

Wasn't it the sound of someone trying to start the engines that got Jin's attention and caused her to head for the front hatch?

No, I think she just heard people walking around and probably felt the boat move when they climbed aboard. When they started the engine, Connie took that opportunity to make a move toward Sun and got herself shot.

Whats everyone's predictions for tonight?

Locke gets his mojo back, baby!

try gunshots....

but who cares


Whats everyone's predictions for tonight? I'm glad we get to see what happens to Locke, Eko and Desmond...are we predicting a quick death for Desmond? I hope not...can't wait for 9pm :)
We know this is a Locke story but there will be a lot happening. Desmond stays, he was signed for a full year. Even though people that were signed have died already, I think it is safe that he lives. Locke and Eko are fine but Eko is hurt. Hurley finally gets back and NOW they form that army, unfortunately, all the guns are gone. Except for the ones Said and company had. Said, Sun, and Jin go back to the camp to get more people to resucre their friends. Ben wants more test to be done to Jack but Juliet says no. Which leads him to trust her more and share a romantic look, maybe even kiss. We find out that Alex will try to help Kate & Swayer escape. Back at the camp, the Losties have a get together and decide who will go rescue their friends. Locke makes a rescue them speach. Plus we learn the rescue plans. LOST [B]
final credits. Next week on Lost. Lets see how good I am this week before I try next weeks. HA HA

Whats everyone's predictions for tonight? I'm glad we get to see what happens to Locke, Eko and Desmond...are we predicting a quick death for Desmond? I hope not...can't wait for 9pm :)
We're going to find out Hurley was right. The monster is, in fact, a pissed-off giraffe. :p

Hurley has a hilarious one-liner.

"Dude... the hatch blew off your underwear." :D I'm still laughing at that one.

When they started the engine, Connie took that opportunity to make a move toward Sun and got herself shot.


Actually I felt they both jumped at the start of the motor, and Sun's firing was a reflex. Same results tho :-(


Locke gets his mojo back, baby!

Let's hope so. And Kate too.

Actually I felt they both jumped at the start of the motor, and Sun's firing was a reflex. Same results tho :-(

If you look at it again (I did), Sun isn't startled by the engine start-up. She shoots Connie because Connie made a move toward her. It was deliberate, no question. That could have serious consequences later on, as Connie mentioned it might, 'cause it appears she may be Ben's main squeeze.

Hurley has a hilarious one-liner.
Hurley, Hurley, Hurley. Hmmm, is he the big black guy or the little British guy? It's like I haven't seen these characters in months! :D

Locke is mad as hell and he's not going to take it anymore!


ron

Well, tonight is the BIG night where we "finally" get to see what happened to Locke, Desmond & Eko down in the bunker.

Now that's what I'm talking about! ;)

Well, tonight is the BIG night where we "finally" get to see what happened to Locke, Desmond & Eko down in the bunker.

This is where the Dave Chappelle bit comes in.

What? What? What? :)

I hope the show wraps up this season. I like it, but I want the story to complete itself without getting stretched thin.Agreed, but ratings may dictate otherwise. And if they spill over onto a fourth season, I will no longer watch Lost or BSG.

Agreed, but ratings may dictate otherwise. And if they spill over onto a fourth season, I will no longer watch Lost or BSG.


I guess there is little chance of avoiding all of the "ratings" related posts tomorrow (or whenever those initial numbers come out)?

For one, the biggest game of the baseball season (to date) is on.... and more importantly, The ratings will be there or they won't.... there really isn't much point in discussing the ratings beyond any concrete information that says the show is being cancelled (at whatever point that happens).

Just my $0.02, sorry if it seems like I am whining... but I definitely appreciate this thread for the keen insight and discussion that goes on here after each episode.

I guess there is little chance of avoiding all of the "ratings" related posts tomorrow (or whenever those initial numbers come out)?

For one, the biggest game of the baseball season (to date) is on.... and more importantly, The ratings will be there or they won't.... there really isn't much point in discussing the ratings beyond any concrete information that says the show is being cancelled (at whatever point that happens).

Just my $0.02, sorry if it seems like I am whining... but I definitely appreciate this thread for the keen insight and discussion that goes on here after each episode.
You are in a no win position, ratings will be 2 pages of the thread by 12 noon. Especially if Criminal Minds passes it in total ratings. It might considering there is a elimination game on Fox and this show thrives on the 18-49 crowd just like the game. Go METS! Everyone needs to stop worrying about the ratings and just enjoy the show. Last time I checked 22 mil people was the top rated show and Lost still avg 17mil over 2 episodes. That is nothing to cry about. There is nio worry about this being canceled. I think it is media hype that makes a big deal about nothing. It is a problem but not a "do better or be canceled" problem.
Look at ER, I know it isn't a great example but it does give a good comparison. ER avaeraged 30+ mil people for a few years. Now it averages 15 mil but it is still on NBC's schedule. Plus being the netwroks highest performer does help. Lost is number 3 for ABC so it isn't going anywhere anytime soon. It will make its 5 -6 yr run like the produces want.

Locke is very "Apocolypse Now" tinight

Excellent episode tonight.

I just feel that Locke's backstory wasn't completed. I felt Eddie was going to die.

The preview for next week looks very good.

Locke isn't a killer...

Excellent episode...I wish they wouldn't have spoiled Boone's entrance by declaring him in the Guest Stars...Seeing his name I knew he was going to show up...

Also, when Locke leaves the tent, its definitely a wolf that jumps out at you...watched it like 20 times during commercials...whats the significance of this? we see a wolf dead later ("active kill")...is that the reason?

Also, all 3 (well I assume Ecko will have a vision as well when he wakes up)...but Locke and Desmond each had visions...wonder why that is???

New question: How did they escape the hatch if it imploded?
How did Ecko get taken by a polar bear?
Is that the other Polar Bear that Ben was talking about?

I love seeing some of the other losties getting some lines...that was awesome

Excellent episode tonight.

I just feel that Locke's backstory wasn't completed. I felt Eddie was going to die.

The preview for next week looks very good.

Agree on the preview; and tonite's ep as well. Glad to see Eko back; hope he'll be OK (thought he was going to die a couple of times there).

Locke isn't a killer...

Also, when Locke leaves the tent, its definitely a wolf that jumps out at you...watched it like 20 times during commercials...whats the significance of this? we see a wolf dead later ("active kill")...is that the reason?



Yes it was a wolf in the tent, but I thought the active kill was a boar. I must admit that I didn't look very closely at it, I just assumed it was a boar since there were boar on the island.

Locke isn't a killer...

Excellent episode...I wish they wouldn't have spoiled Boone's entrance by declaring him in the Guest Stars...Seeing his name I knew he was going to show up...

Also, when Locke leaves the tent, its definitely a wolf that jumps out at you...watched it like 20 times during commercials...whats the significance of this? we see a wolf dead later ("active kill")...is that the reason?

Also, all 3 (well I assume Ecko will have a vision as well when he wakes up)...but Locke and Desmond each had visions...wonder why that is???

New question: How did they escape the hatch if it imploded?
How did Ecko get taken by a polar bear?
Is that the other Polar Bear that Ben was talking about?

I love seeing some of the other losties getting some lines...that was awesome
It is hard to not know he was appearing. they cover this show just as much as Grey's Anatomy. All the entertaiment shows spoil a lot of so called surprises.

Wasn't that a dead boar? Active kill.

It was a wolf that jumped out. There they go with those damm new questions

Dispite that it seemed like a lot more commercials which is a good sign. That means I really enjoyed the show and the comercials just get in the way.

I was really into the backstory... just wished they would have completed it... I thought for sure we would found out how Locke lost the use of his legs...

I was really into the backstory... just wished they would have completed it... I thought for sure we would found out how Locke lost the use of his legs...
Not today my friend, they are saving that till next season. But it did look incomplete. A lot of the backstories seem like they have an ending. This one left us with a couple of more questions.

ANyone notice the name Geronimo JAckson?? (Album in the hatch as well as the dude in Locke's flashback!)?? :D

The `hallucination' part still has me baffled (airport sequence)

Excellent episode tonight.

I just feel that Locke's backstory wasn't completed. I felt Eddie was going to die.

The preview for next week looks very good.


I think Eddie may still die. After all, Ecko said "You are a killer"

I also felt the wolf out of the tent symbolized the Indian ways. Visions, Wolfs, etc.

ANyone notice the name Geronimo JAckson?? (Album in the hatch as well as the dude in Locke's flashback!)?? :Dhttp://www.newbabynews.net/hospitals/sh7/public/sacredheartbirthannouncement.pl?babyID=h7-7387
http://www.cafepress.com/polarbearisland/1153080

After all, Ecko said "You are a killer".Didn't Eko say to John, "you are a hunter"?

I wonder what I am going to read in the morning. I think the left coast will like it too. But we will see. Enjoy Left coasters!

Didn't Eko say to John, "you are a hunter"?

Yes.

Charlie had some great comic relief in this one!

"I wouldn't want you punching yourself in the face!"

I think they are stretching out this mini series of episodes to much. Not a lot happened the last few episodes tonights was very boring. I am still a huge fan of the show and didn't hate this episode but it was one of my least favorite so far. There just isn't enough happening and it seems like they are artificially stretching things out.

So any thoughts as to how Desmond knew the future?

By far, the biggest mystery of all about LOST is how they fit 49 minutes of commercials into a one hour time slot and still have time for 42 minutes of the show. I'm baffled.

I think they are stretching out this mini series of episodes to much. Not a lot happened the last few episodes tonights was very boring. I am still a huge fan of the show and didn't hate this episode but it was one of my least favorite so far. There just isn't enough happening and it seems like they are artificially stretching things out.

So any thoughts as to how Desmond knew the future?
Really you didn't like it. I thought it move fast. I thought it was an awakening for him which will make him his old self for episodes to come. They could have put one scene of the captives or of the rescuees, but so far this season is dedictating Most of each episode to one of the groups. They are seperated into to many groups and only have 42 min to tell a story. Even less with a 15 min backstory per episode.

The Island told him! He was probably knocked out and had one of those visions that Mr Locke talks so much about.

So any thoughts as to how Desmond knew the future?


Yeah, I remember thinking when Desmond said that "He's from the future?" and lo and behold his prediction came true (wasn't really a prediction, he was just confused).

Very odd.

Back to Locke having visions, which we didn't see at all last season. Hmmm.

Some good bits in this episode.

So who has this polar bear been killing? The kids? Those bones looked small.

So who has this polar bear been killing? The kids? Those bones looked small.

Unfortunately, it appears that way. The toy truck and the small bones gave that impression. Cruel.

By far, the biggest mystery of all about LOST is how they fit 49 minutes of commercials into a one hour time slot and still have time for 42 minutes of the show. I'm baffled.Amen!
So what's up with Hurley not telling anyone about the three getting captured? Are the writers needling us about one of our frustrations with the show?
Couldn't Desmond borrow a pair of pants from anyone?

Unfortunately, it appears that way. The toy truck and the small bones gave that impression. Cruel.If those were all children's bones, either someone left a lot of kids unattended on a remote island, or someone is feeding the kids to the bear.

Well, tonight is the BIG night where we "finally" get to see what happened to Locke, Desmond & Eko down in the bunker.

or not.

I think at the beginning of the season they throw all the script pages in the air and just film them in the order they land. On Lost everything now has to be a mystery, or a clue, or leave you with a question.

Actually telling a story seems to have been forgotten.

What the??? A much better episode this week the the previous two and no massive number of posts? What happened?

I thought the "Eddie" flashback was interesting, and advanced Locke's story a bit. I don't know about anyone else but the minute I saw the fertilizer I knew they were growing pot. With Eddies comment about blowing something up this obviously was after Oklahoma City.

Gotta say I like the hair spray thing, haven't seen that move in years. I just hope Locke rescues the trio sooner than later, from the preview we get stuck with another torture filled hour next week. Bah!

Didn't like this episode too much, but I was glad to see Locke get his mojo back, even if it was handled in a very hamfisted way. I think it would have been ten times better without the silly 'Mr.Eko captured and being held prisoner by a polar bear' angle.

Some the character's actions just felt off somehow. When Locke showed up, there didn't seem to be much fuss, considering what they witnessed and what stories Charlie brought back. I would have expected the Losties to go search the site around the hatch and look for Desmond, Locke, and Eko.

As a side note: when the showed the big hole in the ground where the hatch used to be, I actually felt kind of bad for the Losties. Here there was a nice hatch, a bit of civilization on the island. While everyone wandered around looking for fruit and such, a lucky few could kick back on a couch, listen to some records, have a shower, eat a meal on dishes, etc.
Now, back to square one.

that does indeed suck.

but the pearl is not far away if they want to grab some chairs

I had mixed feelings about this episode... I thought it started off well with Locke's sweat lodge vision with Boone, but the polar bear thing was pretty silly. I wonder if they'll ever explain how Locke, Desmond and Eko survived the implosion.

By far, the biggest mystery of all about LOST is how they fit 49 minutes of commercials into a one hour time slot and still have time for 42 minutes of the show. I'm baffled.
lol, I was wondering the same thing! Soooo many commercials. Great ep though.

Can anyone straighten me out on the chronology of John Locke? They made him look a bit younger when he was stalking his father and having his fling with Helen but there seemed to be no attempt to distance his years in this flashback from his current state. When did he lose use of his legs. I thought we knew how long it had been since he lost use and the plane crash. Anyone remember?

And so he became a box company worker after he evaded the police and fled the commune? :confused:

I had mixed feelings about this episode... I thought it started off well with Locke's sweat lodge vision with Boone, but the polar bear thing was pretty silly. I wonder if they'll ever explain how Locke, Desmond and Eko survived the implosion.

I can guarantee that when they explain that, it will be directly after another point in the story that's just got very exciting and you won't really care any more. The lack of linearity in this ep just left me wondering all the way through what stupid plotline could they have come with to pull them out of the crater.

So much so that I thought that Locke was in a coma or hallucinating the whole way through and I didn;t feel any of them were in real danger. When it was revealed it was all real, the polar bear hunt actually seemed more silly than when it was happening.

Personally I don't think the writer's know how they could all have escaped and are still trying to work it out. That's why we didn't see it this week. :rolleyes:

So Locke was a pot grower. They decide to come up with this instead of explaining maybe the one back story about him people care about, namely how he lost the use of his legs in the first place.

This ep. was about gathering Locke, Eko and Darren or whatever his name was for the great battle to retrieve the hostages?

...it seemed like a lot more commercials...

I started watching on DVR at 9:15 and by 9:48 I was live. :eek: I do the same routine with 24 and end up at 10 on the money.


I don't know about anyone else but the minute I saw the fertilizer I knew they were growing pot.
So did I. I guess we are busted. :D

So Locke was a pot grower. They decide to come up with this instead of explaining maybe the one back story about him people care about, namely how he lost the use of his legs in the first place.

Patience, Grasshopper. It may well be his inability to kill Eddie that caused him to end up in a wheelchair.

Best episode of the season. Locke has me pumped to kick some Other ass.

If those were all children's bones, either someone left a lot of kids unattended on a remote island, or someone is feeding the kids to the bear.

Well, that does give another shade of meaning to the Other's claim that they wanted to "save the children". Save them from the bears, save them for the bears, or save them for dessert.

My prediction is that Locke rescues, or attempts to rescues Jack, Kate and Sawyer by episode 6...

Doesn't this thread title say "NO SPOILERS"? Does that only show up on my PC?

Anyway, after last night, my interest in this show has been "LOST" as well. I'm cancelling my season pass.

did anyone else get there HD messed up in the last 20 minutes do to ABC putting the Blue news box 4:3 around lost, that was just annoying as hell.

Doesn't this thread title say "NO SPOILERS"? Does that only show up on my PC?

Anyway, after last night, my interest in this show has been "LOST" as well. I'm cancelling my season pass.

Good, so you won't be back next week? And what part of the conversation is a spoiler? The show is aired so everything is fair game.

Perhaps the kids are being sacrificed to the polar bear by The Others in some sort of weird religious ritual...? :eek:

I was expecting Locke and Eddie to get into a "gun battle" with Locke taking a shot that paralyzed him.

Perhaps the kids are being sacrificed to the polar bear by The Others in some sort of weird religious ritual...? :eek:

Or conversly, the Others rescued the children so they would not be harmed by the bear.

Did anyone else find it really awkward the way the introduced the 2 new Losties? It didn't seem as bad when they did it in the first season, but now it seems a little strange.

did anyone else get there HD messed up in the last 20 minutes do to ABC putting the Blue news box 4:3 around lost, that was just annoying as hell.

I'm reasonably sure that it was just WKBW in Buffalo. They (along with the other two local networks) insist on interrupting our HD viewing with school, dance class, boy scout, etc closings.

Did anyone else find it really awkward the way the introduced the 2 new Losties? It didn't seem as bad when they did it in the first season, but now it seems a little strange.

You mean towards the end when Locke came back?

Were they really new major cast members or were they just some of the other survivors that occasionally appear on screen?

Questions answered so far this season:
1. I'm almost positive some of the characters mentioned the plane was 30,000 feet up when it broke apart. So the question is how could the losties have possibly survived a crash from such an altitude.
The plane however looked like it was closer to 1000-3000 feet up when the Others observed it breaking apart. Though its unlikely that there would be so many (if any) survivors from even a 1000 feet, it is more palatable to my suspension of disbelief.
2. Does the island heave healing powers? Doubtful. I am satisfied based on what we know that Kojack knocked up Sun, not Jin. I think we'll learn that Locke's inability to walk was psychologically induced - something he got over after landing on the island.
3. The "monster(s)" are exceptionally intelligent polar bears. I believe its likely that they killed the pilot in the first episode of season 1. The black smoke is probably some kind of advanced monitoring system.
I think we're getting some answers with each episode. I think most of the answers will not seem as sci fi or mystical as many of us expected. Also, I think that we are going to have to decide for ourselves whether the information presented answers some of the more subtle questions we might have. The writers may not give obvious anwsers to all of our questions.

Anybody that doesn't think that "Lost" is still by far the best hour on TV should suffer though an hour of "Jericho" immediately preceeding it.

You mean towards the end when Locke came back?

Were they really new major cast members or were they just some of the other survivors that occasionally appear on screen?
I think they are new main characters. I noticed their names in the opening credits: Kiele Sanchez and Rodrigo Santoro

I was expecting Locke and Eddie to get into a "gun battle" with Locke taking a shot that paralyzed him.

As soon as Eddie stepped into the truck, I thought that he was a criminal and would end up shooting Locke and that is how he got paralyzed. But no. And on we go.

Questions answered so far this season:
1. I'm almost positive some of the characters mentioned the plane was 30,000 feet up when it broke apart. So the question is how could the losties have possibly survived a crash from such an altitude.
The plane however looked like it was closer to 1000-3000 feet up when the Others observed it breaking apart. Though its unlikely that there would be so many (if any) survivors from even a 1000 feet, it is more palatable to my suspension of disbelief.

Somebody mentioned that it seemed logical that the powerful electromagnetic field of the island pulled the plane down from high altitude until it finally broke apart at the relatively low altitude we, and The Others, saw in the S-3 opener.

2. Does the island heave healing powers? Doubtful. I am satisfied based on what we know that Kojack knocked up Sun, not Jin. I think we'll learn that Locke's inability to walk was psychologically induced - something he got over after landing on the island.

I'm still on board with "mystical healing powers". Remember that Rose's cancer completely disappeared (and she knew it). Remember how quickly Locke's injuries (including a broken leg!) from the blast door healed. Remember how quickly Sawyer's and Ben's serious injuries healed. Obviously, there are limits; not much help against fatal gunshot wounds, but something's going on with the island and healing that's not "natural".

3. The "monster(s)" are exceptionally intelligent polar bears. I believe its likely that they killed the pilot in the first episode of season 1. The black smoke is probably some kind of advanced monitoring system.

I agree that the bears are genetically enhanced, perhaps to be "smarter". But polar bears can't climb trees and in the top of one is where they found the dead pilot back in the... well... pilot. The black nanobot (I ain't lettin' go of that one) smoke monster is far more than a monitoring system; it can take action, like dragging people down holes, as well and at least.

So did I. I guess we are busted. :D


Patience, Grasshopper. It may well be his inability to kill Eddie that caused him to end up in a wheelchair.

Best episode of the season. Locke has me pumped to kick some Other ass.


I think we all knew...either they were growing pot or making bombs....and you don't need a greenhouse to make bombs.

3. The "monster(s)" are exceptionally intelligent polar bears. I believe its likely that they killed the pilot in the first episode of season 1. The black smoke is probably some kind of advanced monitoring system.



2 problems with that....

1) They already showed the 'monster' as a black cloud that flashed images of Eko's past. It appeared to be 'scanning' him.

2) I can buy a polar bear killing the pilot if they were on the ground. But they were dozens of feet in the air in the cockpit of the plane. He then got dumped at the top of a very tall tree. Even the COCA COLA polar bears couldn't have pulled that one off :-)

I agree that the bears are genetically enhanced, perhaps to be "smarter". But polar bears can't climb trees and in the top of one is where they found the dead pilot back in the... well... pilot. The black nanobot (I ain't lettin' go of that one) smoke monster is far more than a monitoring system; it can take action, like dragging people down holes, as well and at least.

I'm with you on that, plus there is that "mechanical sound like a chain on a rachet or something, and what sounds likes a steam whistle".

And, despite comments to the contrary, nanabots as an explanation still work for me.

As soon as Eddie stepped into the truck, I thought that he was a criminal and would end up shooting Locke and that is how he got paralyzed. But no. And on we go.

I thought there'd be a shootout between the cop and the kid when they got pulled over, with John in the middle. When that didn't happen, I thought the 2 'elders' were going to shoot him for bringing a traitor into their midst. Then of course there was the showdown between Locke and the kid. Again zippo.

Anybody that doesn't think that "Lost" is still by far the best hour on TV should suffer though an hour of "Jericho" immediately preceeding it.

I haven't quite given up on Jericho. I have watched too many episodes of it and now need the closure of who did what to whom and why.

However, Lost is still the "not to be missed" show for me. Well, that and BSG.

I haven't quite given up on Jericho. I have watched too many episodes of it and now need the closure of who did what to whom and why.

However, Lost is still the "not to be missed" show for me. Well, that and BSG.

I'm right there with ya...2 best shows on TV now. But BSG has managed to keep a higher level of quality and consistency I think.

Jericho is ok, great premise. But the town seems to be populated with mental midgets at times. :-)

But the LOSTIES are no Mensa members either :-)

I'm right there with ya...2 best shows on TV now. But BSG has managed to keep a higher level of quality and consistency I think.


Agree 100%. For me, also, 'Battlestar' has now moved past LOST as the very best tube on the tube right now. I actually feel sorry for people who immediately dismiss that show because of the title. They have no idea what they're missing.

Doesn't this thread title say "NO SPOILERS"? Does that only show up on my PC?

Anyway, after last night, my interest in this show has been "LOST" as well. I'm cancelling my season pass.

Why are you concerned about spoilers if you aren't going to watch anymore? And I believe Locke rescuing J, K, S at episode 6 was a prediction--nothing spoilerish about it...

Agree 100%. For me, also, 'Battlestar' has now moved past LOST as the very best tube on the tube right now. I actually feel sorry for people who immediately dismiss that show because of the title. They have no idea what they're missing.

Completely agree. What is even more interesting about BSG, is that my wife is really into it.

We arrived at BSG late, and have been trying to catch up--we watched ep. 3 of season 2 last night after Lost, and when it started, my wife said--I actually look more forward to watching BSG than I do Lost right now...

By the way, my wife had been fairly anti-scifi in the past...

I think we all knew...either they were growing pot or making bombs....and you don't need a greenhouse to make bombs.


The kid said he was heading for Eureka and Locke takes him to a commune somewhere in Humboldt county. I figured they were growing pot right then.

We haven’t seen (actually, heard) the ‘mechanical’ monster since S1 have we? I believe it was used as an intimidation tool to keep the Losties from venturing too far, but I find it kind of odd that it stopped being used prior to them being captured by the Others.

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but does anyone else think that when the hatch imploded that maybe it caused a "dome" of invisibility to be removed from over the island, which had protected it in the past from detection from "outsiders". And that now the island is visible and will be discovered and all the experiments thereon will be exposed and our losties will be saved?

I thought there'd be a shootout between the cop and the kid when they got pulled over, with John in the middle. When that didn't happen, I thought the 2 'elders' were going to shoot him for bringing a traitor into their midst. Then of course there was the showdown between Locke and the kid. Again zippo.
Wasn't it late S1 or early S2 that a Locke episode was shown and after he father tells him to take off or Helen dumps him, he crashes the car he was driving? I thought that was how he ended up in a wheelchair.

I haven't quite given up on Jericho. I have watched too many episodes of it and now need the closure of who did what to whom and why.

However, Lost is still the "not to be missed" show for me. Well, that and BSG.

How about Heroes? It's the only full blown out of the closet Sci-Fi on network TV. I'm starting to get the feeling that Heroes will deliver the Super Natural that Lost got scared of and dropped after the first season.

I agree about BSG being a clear #1. I still like Lost quite a bit though, and Heroes has kept my interest through four episodes. I gave up on Jericho after three episodes.

I noticed something during the scene where Locke had rescued Ecko and they were under a tree while Charlie went to fetch some water from the stream. Locke had three stripes of blood on his neck at first, then in the next shot, the blood looked like a symbol, something like 4F or HF, in the next shot it was back to the three stripes. I don't know if this was a symbol or a production error.

Or conversly, the Others rescued the children so they would not be harmed by the bear.That's right, because actually TELLING people to hide the kids because there are dangerous animals on the island is way too much effort. Again, how many loose kids do they have running around? It's not like plane crashes happen every day on the island.

I noticed something during the scene where Locke had rescued Ecko and they were under a tree while Charlie went to fetch some water from the stream. Locke had three stripes of blood on his neck at first, then in the next shot, the blood looked like a symbol, something like 4F or HF, in the next shot it was back to the three stripes. I don't know if this was a symbol or a production error.

I just rewatched that scene. I think it was just a make-up error.

I also rewatched the "sweatbox" scene and the polar bear scene. They are the same animal. I don't believe there is a wolf. The fact that it was coming out of the fire (sweatbox) was why Locke chose to take the hairspray. He knew that fire was the answer he had seen during his "vision".

Did anyone get a close look at what Eddie's last name was on his police ID badge they had in file? I wasn't able to catch it and thought it might be connected since they have had 3 episodes w/ flashbacks and have not connected anyone on the island to the flashbacks yet.

Did anyone get a close look at what Eddie's last name was on his police ID badge they had in file? I wasn't able to catch it and thought it might be connected since they have had 3 episodes w/ flashbacks and have not connected anyone on the island to the flashbacks yet.


Humbolt County Sherriff
EDWARD F COLBURN
Badge #84023
S/N: 2934765876

Some other things listed are:

Graduated Humbolt County School District: 1989
College Grad: 1991 Major: Police Science
Basic Law Enforcement Academy


Patrol Division 1994-Present
CA Jaycees
Several Certs of Commendation



Qualifications:
Long Rifle
M-16
First Aid
Motorcycle
SWAT
CrimeLab
Cyber
CSI-1

There's another possible explanation for why the toy truck might be in the bear cave.

Smartbears.

I mean think about it, in this episode and also in prior episodes this season they are hinting about how smart the bears are. Perhaps they are genetically engineered to be smart enough to enjoy playing with toys.

So not necessarily a kid-killer.

Amen!
So what's up with Hurley not telling anyone about the three getting captured? Are the writers needling us about one of our frustrations with the show?
Couldn't Desmond borrow a pair of pants from anyone?
it is more dramatic with Locke saying it. Hurley would have said "dude, they put on hoods and took them you know those OTHER people" "that wasn't right dude" You see less dramatic.

Doesn't this thread title say "NO SPOILERS"? Does that only show up on my PC?

Anyway, after last night, my interest in this show has been "LOST" as well. I'm cancelling my season pass.
What spoilers are you talking about? Did I miss something?

We haven’t seen (actually, heard) the ‘mechanical’ monster since S1 have we? I believe it was used as an intimidation tool to keep the Losties from venturing too far, but I find it kind of odd that it stopped being used prior to them being captured by the Others.

Season 2, Mr Eko. The same mechanical noises, trees uprooting, etc. Then the black smoke came.

There's another possible explanation for why the toy truck might be in the bear cave.

Smartbears.

I mean think about it, in this episode and also in prior episodes this season they are hinting about how smart the bears are. Perhaps they are genetically engineered to be smart enough to enjoy playing with toys.

So not necessarily a kid-killer.

True, but they are eating SOMEONE....and a lot of those bones seemed small.

"Bear? Is that you?"

best line of last night's show... close second was Charlie's "wouldn't wnat you to have to start punching yourself in the face"

the hallucination scene in the airport seemed to be a vision of what life would be like if Locke "saved" everyone... Hurley would be working and typing in the numbers as if nothing was wrong... Kate and Sawyer were together, looking like they were heading off on their honeymoon... Sun and Jin were together, although bickering about something, Jack was still alone... But it was like a look into a life where none of them knew each other, and no one had ever heard of the island, like it never existed... I'd be curious to see that scene again and see if you could recognize anyone else in the airport that wasn't one of the main characters...

Nobody's mentioned the best line of the show yet. Charlie telling Locke (paraphrasing), "You're not coming out of there regenerated into a Monkey are you?"

Who here can name that movie?

the hallucination scene in the airport seemed to be a vision of what life would be like if Locke "saved" everyone... Hurley would be working and typing in the numbers as if nothing was wrong... Kate and Sawyer were together, looking like they were heading off on their honeymoon... Sun and Jin were together, although bickering about something, Jack was still alone... But it was like a look into a life where none of them knew each other, and no one had ever heard of the island, like it never existed... I'd be curious to see that scene again and see if you could recognize anyone else in the airport that wasn't one of the main characters...
that is what saturday afternoons are for. To rewatch the episode and watch everything else that you missed the first time.

that is what saturday afternoons are for. To rewatch the episode and watch everything else that you missed the first time.With all the college football in HD? You've got to be kidding! :D

No doubt - good episode for wanting to go back on a number of the scenes.

Nobody's mentioned the best line of the show yet. Charlie telling Locke (paraphrasing), "You're not coming out of there regenerated into a Monkey are you?"

Who here can name that movie?

LOL that's an easy one: Altered States (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080360/)

One thing though...is Charlie old enough to remember that movie? (1980)

the hallucination scene in the airport seemed to be a vision of what life would be like if Locke "saved" everyone... Hurley would be working and typing in the numbers as if nothing was wrong... Kate and Sawyer were together, looking like they were heading off on their honeymoon... Sun and Jin were together, although bickering about something, Jack was still alone... But it was like a look into a life where none of them knew each other, and no one had ever heard of the island, like it never existed... I'd be curious to see that scene again and see if you could recognize anyone else in the airport that wasn't one of the main characters...


In that hallucination scene, wasn't that Benry who was the security guy?

In that hallucination scene, wasn't that Benry who was the security guy?

Yeah, waving the security wand lol

In that hallucination scene, wasn't that Benry who was the security guy?

Yup.

And Desmond was the pilot with the gaggle of flight attendents...

~Dan

(From Marc Berman’s Thursday, October 19, 2006, Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com )

“…At 9 p.m., although ABC’s deteriorating Lost continues to own the hour among adults 18-49, CBS’ competing Criminal Minds inched past the thriller in total viewers for the first time ever. Lost averaged an 11.3/17 in the overnights (#1), 16.07 million viewers (#2) and a 6.5/16 among adults 18-49 (#1). The vastly improved Criminal Minds came in at an 11.1/16 in the overnights (#2), 16.10 million viewers (#1) and a 4.5/11 among adults 18-49 (#2). Take a look at how CBS has made inroads in this time period in just one year, and how Lost has dipped by double-digit percentages.

Wednesday 9 p.m.
Lost (ABC)
10/19/05 - Overnights: 13.9/20 (#1)
Viewers: 21.38 million (#1)
A18-49: 9.3/22 (#2)
10/18/06 - Overnights: 11.3/17 (#1)
Viewers: 16.07 million (#2)
A18-49: 6.5/16 (#1)
Percent Change – Overnights: -19
Viewers: -25
A18-49: -30

Criminal Minds (CBS)
10/19/05 - Overnights: 8.8/12 (#3)
Viewers: 12.79 million (#3)
A18-49: 3.9/ 9 (#3)
10/18/06 - Overnights: 11.1/16 (#2)
Viewers: 16.10 million (#1)
A18-49: 4.5/11 (#2)
Percent Change – Overnights: +26
Viewers: +26
A18-49: +15 ...”

• Source: Nielsen Media Research data

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

LOL that's an easy one: Altered States (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080360/)

One thing though...is Charlie old enough to remember that movie? (1980)

No, but that's what DVDs are for. I own it.

Remember that the/a polar bear attacked Walt. Perhaps this kind prefers to eat kids and kidnap adults. Maybe he was going to smack Eko around until he told it where the kids were. :)

The scene with the "Other" child carrying a teddy bear may have some symbolic meaning.

And don't forget the polar bear in the comic book.

Damn the Lost writers for bringing back polar bears!

Yup - same thing I expected.

Much better epi, the Locke ones always are. The whole sweat lodge/vision thing was a trip. The polar bear though............

And was that the island talking through the unconscious Eko to Locke?

And where are the pics of Kate in the black top???



I was expecting Locke and Eddie to get into a "gun battle" with Locke taking a shot that paralyzed him.

With all the college football in HD? You've got to be kidding! :D

No doubt - good episode for wanting to go back on a number of the scenes.
my fault, I mean brunch time 11 am. I don't know what I was thinking.

Remember that the/a polar bear attacked Walt. Perhaps this kind prefers to eat kids and kidnap adults. Maybe he was going to smack Eko around until he told it where the kids were. :)

The scene with the "Other" child carrying a teddy bear may have some symbolic meaning.

And don't forget the polar bear in the comic book.

Damn the Lost writers for bringing back polar bears!

Just give them fishbiscuits! Or will that just piss them off more? :-)

So is the thing with the numbers dead? It seems like it used to be that there were references in every episode to them (especially in flashbacks), but this season I haven't noticed them. Also, are Walt and Michael gone for good? If they bring Walt back he'd look even older at this point, which I guess they could explain with island voodoo.

The scene with the "Other" child carrying a teddy bear may have some symbolic meaning.

And don't forget the polar bear in the comic book.

Damn the Lost writers for bringing back polar bears![/QUOTE

If I remember correctly the teddy bear the "other" child was holding was from the little boy from the tail section group.

I thought airline counter Hurley was entering the numbers on his terminal. Have to go back and check to make sure.

I thought airline counter Hurley was entering the numbers on his terminal. Have to go back and check to make sure.

Yes, Hurley was typing in the Numbers at the ticket counter...

~Dan

Hurley was entering the numbers,
Walt is not a cast member this first half of the season, neither is Michael.

Reading Lostepdia, someone brought up an interesting theory....after the hatch imploded, the 3 people inside have since taken on religious roles....1) Eko - priest (albeit, he was always a priest, but its plasuable that he actually now believes) 2) Locke - Shaman 3) Desmond - Prophet

Interesting conclusions people are drawing...Faith was a huge theme that ran through the first two seasons....it seems that is continuing now...

I stated last week that the first two episodes were less than great. This week was redemption. I really enjoyed this episode and I am happy that Desmond is alive. More like this and I will stayed tuned for the season.:)

Was fun for me to watch since I grew up in Humbolt County and went to high school in Eureka :). Very well known for pot farming in the redwoods.

or not.

I think at the beginning of the season they throw all the script pages in the air and just film them in the order they land. On Lost everything now has to be a mystery, or a clue, or leave you with a question.

Actually telling a story seems to have been forgotten.No offense Vision, but have we been watching the same show? LOST? They're somewhere around 50 ep into it now and it's been like that from the very beginning hasn't it? As far as telling a story goes, although we've been watching for a little over two years, the Losties have only been on the island for about two months now. Seems like a hell of a lot has happened to them in 60 days or so to me. How anyone could feel that they haven't been telling a story is beyond me. They have woven one of the most complex, multi faceted, richly detailed stories I've ever seen on TV. I think that's actually the problem. Some folks just don't have the patience or really care about how a story develops. They just want the Cliff Notes version where they find out how it turns out right away instead of having to wade through the boring stuff like, how it happened, I guess :D .


ron

........Seems like a hell of a lot has happened to them in 60 days or so to me......

Actually, 69 days so far, per Ben.

Actually, 69 days so far, per Ben.
69 days and 51 episodes not bad.

Throwing paper and picking up and filming. Now that would be good. Maybe we would get the end now and not worry or care about the middle or the begining.

There are people that hate, love and are indifferent with the show. Not enough answers too many questions yes always because they still want it to last 6 years. But I have never heard, Not being a good story. Every episode has a story. It might not be to your liking but you have a backstory of a character and then present time adventure.

How anyone could feel that they haven't been telling a story is beyond me. They have woven one of the most complex, multi faceted, richly detailed stories I've ever seen on TV. I think that's actually the problem. Some folks just don't have the patience or really care about how a story develops. They just want the Cliff Notes version where they find out how it turns out right away instead of having to wade through the boring stuff like, how it happened, I guess :D .


ron

Is this ever so true. I think ADD is more prevalent than many believe.

Give ‘em a pill and send ‘em home; that’ll cure that depression. :rolleyes:

At least they finally brought back the Polar bear, that has bothering us for 3 years. Are we to assume that there is only 2 of them? Bringing them back lead to more questions but you know what, these are good questions that make the story progress some more. To me the questions make it more interesting.

Side note: Wow, only one post about the ratings. I was way off yesterday. last night I said 3 pages by 12 noon. Maybe the LOST haters actually left this time. 4 pages since last night and I have read nothing but civilized convesation on both sides(like and dislike). Thanx all. It gets discouraging when everyone is attacking each other.

Unless I missed it, no one has mentioned Benry being at the airport in a pilot (or flight attendant's) outfit in Locke's vision. Hmm, we know he was on the island during the flight but it was an interesting thing to see.

Lost is number 3 for ABC so it isn't going anywhere anytime soon. It will make its 5 -6 yr run like the produces want.

No way 5-6 years, nutty. In the 60’s or 70’s, maybe, but just like this…

Some folks just don't have the patience or really care about how a story develops. They just want the Cliff Notes version where they find out how it turns out right away instead of having to wade through the boring stuff like, how it happened, I guess :D .


it won’t happen. I look at how many people post to this thread that really like Lost and see a lot of criticism. Like it or not, ratings do matter. Networks can be their own worst enemy by taking a great show and moving it to another time slot to try and beat down another really good show. Too often that is a killer. I look for next year to be the last, but that is JMO.

Unless I missed it, no one has mentioned Benry being at the airport in a pilot (or flight attendant's) outfit in Locke's vision. Hmm, we know he was on the island during the flight but it was an interesting thing to see.You missed it. Desmond was the pilot, Ben was TSA (or the Australian equivalent).

I look for next year to be the last, but that is JMO.

I'm hoping you're right! Think how killer it would be if JJ, Damon, and the suits at ABC just made a decision to end it after 4 seasons, rather than let it limp on indefinitely. They could promote the heck out of: "LOST's final season - find out how it all ends!" ...all summer long. The anticipation would be huge; ratings would skyrocket.

And the best thing is, they could wrap everything up in a fast-paced, exciting dash to the finish; no filler, no fluff, no frustratingly mundane flashbacks. It'd be awesome! And, most importantly, it could start a trend... ;) Serial dramas, unlike proceduals, need to have a definitive end-point in mind from the start. Otherwise, you get The X-Files. They should have learned this by now.

At least they finally brought back the Polar bear, that has bothering us for 3 years. Are we to assume that there is only 2 of them?
Wasn't there a second dead polar bear last year? That would mean at least three...

~Dan

Here's a more or less meaningless exercise in Lost thread statistics, to go along with the ratings info:


NUMBER OF LOST THREAD POSTS FOLLOWING A NEW EPISODE
---------------------------------------
Showtime til midnight next day Showtime til next showtime
S2E1 343 posts 579 posts
S3E1 232 posts (-32.4%) 444 posts (-23.3%)

S2E2 343 posts 550
S3E2 214 (-37.6%) 351 (-36.2%)

S2E3 373 658
S3E3 107 so far 107 so far
And that doesn't even factor in the number of posts about what Kate is or isn't wearing, the "I'll give it one more year" posts, or the "I'm through" posts.

I'm hoping you're right! Think how killer it would be if JJ, Damon, and the suits at ABC just made a decision to end it after 4 seasons, rather than let it limp on indefinitely.Oh yeah--JJ, Damon and Carleton Cuse were featured on Nightline 3-4 nights ago. I never knew Mr. Abrams was so young (looking). Anyways, they sat there, still debunking our theories and yet not giving up any hints at what the Lost experience is really about. I personally hope they end it at 3 seasons, but realistically, it'll probably go 4 or 5 (100 episodes=automatic syndication).

True, but they are eating SOMEONE....and a lot of those bones seemed small.Perhaps they prefer wild boar. That might explain some small bones?

I suspect the children are all alive (and maybe are even being strengthened by the island).

Actually, 69 days so far, per Ben.
Is there any significance to the number "69"? Thought I heard once that it means something.

Mel

Is there any significance to the number "69"? Thought I heard once that it means something.
Yes, but not in the context of Lost... ;)

On Further Review….
“Lost” actually beat “Criminal Minds” last night
By John Eggerton in the Broadcasting & Cable bcbeat blog Oct 19 2006

Looks like Disney can't lose at 9-10 p.m. on Wednesday nights. Early in the day, CBS pointed out to the green-eyeshade types that its drama, Criminal Minds, had nipped Disney-owned ABC's Lost for total viewers in the time period for the first time.

But that was according to the early time-period returns that don't include some West Coast numbers.

By the end of the day, ABC was pointng out that, according to the final national ratings, it had actually nipped Minds with 16.3 million viewers to its 16.2.

Either way, Disney wins. That's because both Lost and Criminal Minds are from Disney's Touchstone studio.

So, in an unusual meld of competing ratings, ABC pointed out in its release that the two shows, together, "delivered 32.5 million total viewers at 9-10."

ABC will be able to recycle that good news for the syndicated cycles of both shows, when Touchstone, rather than CBS and ABC, is the moniker that matters come time to "deliver" the cash-plus-barter.

http://broadcastingcable.com/blog/1380000138.html

Since nobody wants to tell me the meaning of "69", I guess I will have to google it while I'm at work tomorrow and see what comes up.

I think the police's plan to infiltrate the commune was pretty weak. It was not a given that Locke would stop to pick up a hitchiker in the first place. Second, what if Locke didn't invite the guy to come to supper and just dropped him off and drove away. Finally, if Eddie was such a good cop (CSI, SWAT, etc.) don't you think he would have smelled the pot growing in the greenhouse?

Since nobody wants to tell me the meaning of "69", I guess I will have to google it while I'm at work tomorrow and see what comes up.



Turn it sideways

Since nobody wants to tell me the meaning of "69", I guess I will have to google it while I'm at work tomorrow and see what comes up.

You're joking right?

well if you're really this sheltered I wouldn't recommend goolging it. I'd use wikipedia where the results are more controlled

So I was convinced that the head pot growing guy at the commune/cult was the same "other" who was bossing Sawyer around at the construction site last week. But since none of you experts picked up on that I am assuming that I am incorrect.

Is that possible or am I way off?

So I was convinced that the head pot growing guy at the commune/cult was the same "other" who was bossing Sawyer around at the construction site last week. But since none of you experts picked up on that I am assuming that I am incorrect.

Is that possible or am I way off?

I was wondering that myself, but definitely wasn't even close to being certain. I asked my wife (much better at recognizing people) and she wasn't sure either...

You're joking right?

well if you're really this sheltered I wouldn't recommend goolging it. I'd use wikipedia where the results are more controlled

I'm certain he was joking, especially when he mentioned the "googling it at work" bit, which made it funnier. I don't think there's an adult sheltered enough not to know its meaning.

I think the Airport scene was meant to be more of a visual metaphor for the current situation of the island with the people grouped how they are on the island now and in metaphorical roles kind of like God looking down at a snapshot of the current time frame on the Island and representing it visually.

I read an article recently about measuring DVR usage for the ratings, and apparently Lost is one of the shows that gets the biggest boost when these figures are added in, boosting its ratings almost 10% as I recall.

I think this ratings blah blah blah this season is a big red herring. The ratings are by far good enough to keep it going. Who cares if it fluctuates a bit down. Write me when it's down 50% then we can talk.

One of the biggest revelations/questions of last night episode that no one has mentioned:

The very ending scene of pantless Desmond throwing rocks into the ocean. Hurley states that he is experiencing Deja Vu. This scene hangs for a few seconds. I am not sure what it means. Is this a similar scene to one that his buddy Dave was in? Anyone have any thoughts?

I think the police's plan to infiltrate the commune was pretty weak. It was not a given that Locke would stop to pick up a hitchiker in the first place. Second, what if Locke didn't invite the guy to come to supper and just dropped him off and drove away. Finally, if Eddie was such a good cop (CSI, SWAT, etc.) don't you think he would have smelled the pot growing in the greenhouse?
There is no way, no how, that Eddie would have ever been brought even close to that compound without at least 3-4 people vouching for him. It just doesn't happen the way it was shown on the show.

I'm on the fence about whether Lost will get cancelled or at least overhauled in some way before the series can come to it's planned end of run.
Remember, it's not just about the ratings, it's also ratings vs cost.
Lost is *very* expensive. I think at the very least, before they film next season, ABC is going to demand some serious cost cutting. Maybe lose some actors, along with a major reduction in Hawaii shooting, a big increase in soundstage scenes.

I had a hard time believing Locke would be involved in a pot growing commune, even if all he did was pick fruit. It would almost have been easier to believe if they were planning on blowing something up, perhaps something involved with Locke's dad.

Yea, I didn't like how they put Locke in a commune. By far my least favorite episode of Lost.

One of the biggest revelations/questions of last night episode that no one has mentioned:

The very ending scene of pantless Desmond throwing rocks into the ocean. Hurley states that he is experiencing Deja Vu. This scene hangs for a few seconds. I am not sure what it means. Is this a similar scene to one that his buddy Dave was in? Anyone have any thoughts?

I assumed the deja vu was hearing Locke's speech after Desmond had earlier described his speech.

One of the biggest revelations/questions of last night episode that no one has mentioned:

The very ending scene of pantless Desmond throwing rocks into the ocean. Hurley states that he is experiencing Deja Vu. This scene hangs for a few seconds. I am not sure what it means. Is this a similar scene to one that his buddy Dave was in? Anyone have any thoughts?

When they were back in the jungle Desmond had told Hurley that Locke said he was going after Jack/Kate/Sawyer in his speech. The speech that Hurley was listening to when he was watching Desmond throwing rocks later in the day. Deja Vu.

Thanks for clearing up the Deja Vu for me. I guess I shouldn't have watched the episode at 1:30 AM after being out since 8AM!?!?!?!? I couldn't wait to see it!

One of the biggest revelations/questions of last night episode that no one has mentioned:

The very ending scene of pantless Desmond throwing rocks into the ocean. Hurley states that he is experiencing Deja Vu. This scene hangs for a few seconds. I am not sure what it means. Is this a similar scene to one that his buddy Dave was in? Anyone have any thoughts?

this is no revelation..it's just another question that we may never get an answer to.

BTW, has anyone seen the numbers this season? Have they just dropped that part of the story?

Hurley was typing the numbers in Locke's hallucination.

I had a hard time believing Locke would be involved in a pot growing commune, even if all he did was pick fruit. It would almost have been easier to believe if they were planning on blowing something up, perhaps something involved with Locke's dad.

I'm wondering if they were growing 'medicinal' marijuana. They sure weren't spending their $$ on bling. :-)

John felt like he was a part of a family and accepted, which he needs considering his crappy family history.

this is no revelation..it's just another question that we may never get an answer to.

BTW, has anyone seen the numbers this season? Have they just dropped that part of the story?

They are still central to the story, I'm sure the Others will bring them back into play eventually.

Since nobody wants to tell me the meaning of "69", I guess I will have to google it while I'm at work tomorrow and see what comes up.
:D

The ancient Romans called it "LXIX"...

Can anyone straighten me out on the chronology of John Locke? They made him look a bit younger when he was stalking his father and having his fling with Helen but there seemed to be no attempt to distance his years in this flashback from his current state. When did he lose use of his legs. I thought we knew how long it had been since he lost use and the plane crash. Anyone remember?

And so he became a box company worker after he evaded the police and fled the commune? :confused:
the plane crashed in 2004 right? In the first flashback in last night's epsiode the pickup that Locke is driving has CA license plate number 5Q49938

Here:

http://www.15q.net/ca.html

at the bottom of that link. Quote: "California 2004 passenger issue. Continuation of the series, the state crossed over into the 5 series in January 2003. Issuance of this series has been steady, reaching into the 5L series as of early 2005."

LOL.

Was fun for me to watch since I grew up in Humbolt County and went to high school in Eureka :). Very well known for pot farming in the redwoods.


The inaccurate license plate may not be an error. The site you linked was fun to browse, but it's describing passenger car plates. 1ABC123 and variants. Commerical plates for trucks are numerical with a letter in the second place, 1A12345. In California, uncovered pickups usually run with commerical plates. With passenger plates no cargo can be put in the uncovered bed.

For me, as a northern Californian, the more amusing thing was wondering how far Locke would have to drive to get to Eureka from a tropical rain forest. The vegetation was like none I've ever seen here, except in an aboretum. The perils of having Hawaii substitute for the North Coast (of California).

Given the amount of marijuana growing and eradication (Campaign Against Marijuana Plants --CAMP was a big combined DEA, BNE and local effort for years) that occurs annually in Humboldt County, it's unlikely that an undercover officer would spend six weeks picking (non-indigenous) fruit while trying to determine what was in the greenhouse. Manpower is too short and that grow was too small to be worth that effort. He'd have forced the issue long before.

One of the skeletons in the cave had a Dharma T-shirt, I think. The earlier observation teams may have been the bears' victims.

I was wondering that myself, but definitely wasn't even close to being certain. I asked my wife (much better at recognizing people) and she wasn't sure either...

No, I'm certain. Not the same actor; not the same character. If you're still unsure, go to the cast list for this week's episode and last.

Lost related: On Office-NBC last night, Dwight was interrogating Ryan during a bizarre initiation and was shouting unrelated questions at him. One of the questions was "What is the Dharma Initiative?" ;)

No way 5-6 years, nutty. In the 60’s or 70’s, maybe, but just like this…



it won’t happen. I look at how many people post to this thread that really like Lost and see a lot of criticism. Like it or not, ratings do matter. Networks can be their own worst enemy by taking a great show and moving it to another time slot to try and beat down another really good show. Too often that is a killer. I look for next year to be the last, but that is JMO.
Ratings mean a lot like you said but where is the problem. It is still averaging 16.5 mil this season. Even if it drops next during sesaon 4 another 2 mil (Which is hard to speculate right now because we don't know if there will be a drop when it comes back in Jan)this show is safe. The 18-49 crowd which means everything to the newtorks is still top 5. (top 3 for ABC). ABC wants to win every stat that the Neilsens show but right now the are happy to the show is still producing big numbers. The TV landscape has changed greatly since the 30 mil viewer days it just doesn't happen anymore for scripted shows. Look at last weeks ratings only 2 scripted shows broke 20 mil.

This is what bothers me. People need to stop reading the ratings for the drop alone. Look at the big picture. The producers expected 5 - 6 sesaons with 6 being the max. They will get it because the ratings are there. In my opinion the ratings have leveled off and the show will average over 16 mil for the remaining 3 or 4 episodes this year. Those numbers will be nothing to cry about.

People will loose interest, that is just the nature of our soceity. We find the next big thing and have to get it. The next big thing on TV was Grey's Anatomy it is beating CSI(which was a powerhouse) but LOST still gets more TV coverage. Why, because it has become that cult phenomenom hit that people love to hate, hate to love, or just love to talk about.

The ratings are fine for Lost - it isn't going anywhere. The only danger in the short term is if it continues to trend down, the suits may meddle with the direction of the show.

But there is absolutely no risk of cancellation.

No, I'm certain. Not the same actor; not the same character. If you're still unsure, go to the cast list for this week's episode and last.
Since we're already comparing faces, are these the same person?:

http://www.davidschafer.com/junk/bookclub.jpg (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/6380/3581/1600/bookclub.0.jpg) http://www.davidschafer.com/junk/africa.jpg (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x10/3/23psalm-cap325.jpg)
Click for the full image.

If so, it strengthens a theory of mine.

Given the amount of marijuana growing and eradication (Campaign Against Marijuana Plants --CAMP was a big combined DEA, BNE and local effort for years) that occurs annually in Humboldt County, it's unlikely that an undercover officer would spend six weeks picking (non-indigenous) fruit while trying to determine what was in the greenhouse. Manpower is too short and that grow was too small to be worth that effort. He'd have forced the issue long before..

Yeah it did seem a bit silly to have a guy go undercover for a little tent full of weed. If they had suspicion they just would of raided the place on day 1.

Still, the story fits Locke pretty good IMO, a guy trying to find peace so he goes to a commune where he feels loved, only to have everything turned upside-down again because of his trusting nature.

The only weird part for me is how Locke figured out how to make a hallucinogen in a few minutes time. Even worse, he didn't offer any to Charlie!

One of the biggest revelations/questions of last night episode that no one has mentioned:

The very ending scene of pantless Desmond throwing rocks into the ocean. Hurley states that he is experiencing Deja Vu. This scene hangs for a few seconds. I am not sure what it means. Is this a similar scene to one that his buddy Dave was in? Anyone have any thoughts?


The deja vu is that Locke makes his spech before going into the tent. It is the same spech Desmond told Hurley in the forrest. Which he said Locke said this already.

I had a hard time believing Locke would be involved in a pot growing commune, even if all he did was pick fruit. It would almost have been easier to believe if they were planning on blowing something up, perhaps something involved with Locke's dad.
I think the pot was an extra to the storyline. He might have know it was there but he was there for family. It was a tight family atmosphere that brought him in. They accepted him and loved him. Which all of us know is what he has been looking for.

the plane crashed in 2004 right? In the first flashback in last night's epsiode the pickup that Locke is driving has CA license plate number 5Q49938

Here:

http://www.15q.net/ca.html

at the bottom of that link. Quote: "California 2004 passenger issue. Continuation of the series, the state crossed over into the 5 series in January 2003. Issuance of this series has been steady, reaching into the 5L series as of early 2005."

LOL.
you guys always blow my mind sometimes with pick ups just like this one. You know it has have been known in many shows to have production errors. I think That might be one of them. Mybe not aenough research into the plate numbers by the interns like you did. If not then you just opened a new set of questions.
What time are they in?
Is time moving where they are? these are just 2 I want to post, there are many more.
Lets hope this is a production issue. But nice find!

Yeah it did seem a bit silly to have a guy go undercover for a little tent full of weed. If they had suspicion they just would of raided the place on day 1.

Still, the story fits Locke pretty good IMO, a guy trying to find peace so he goes to a commune where he feels loved, only to have everything turned upside-down again because of his trusting nature.

The only weird part for me is how Locke figured out how to make a hallucinogen in a few minutes time. Even worse, he didn't offer any to Charlie!

The cop was not there for a tent full of weed. He was there for a tent being used to construct a McVeigh-esque fertilizer bomb. That greenhouse was probably twice as big as the rental truck containing the Bomb McVeigh used in Oklahoma City.

And I agree on Locke joining any sort of organization to get the familial feeling. His flashbacks have him desperately seeking that. When he finally finds it, he screws it up. I think that revelation ends up being more interesting in terms of developing his character than what we all wanted to see in a Locke flashback - how he lost use of his legs.

Be careful what you wish for. Kate got a lot less interesting once we found out what she did.

The only weird part for me is how Locke figured out how to make a hallucinogen in a few minutes time.

He'd previously made the drug mixture in Season 1 and fed it to Boone, which caused Boone to hallucinate that Shannon was killed by the "monster".

The ratings are fine for Lost - it isn't going anywhere. The only danger in the short term is if it continues to trend down, the suits may meddle with the direction of the show.

But there is absolutely no risk of cancellation.

The real value of a show is determined by a number of factors:

1) It's production cost vs. revenue.
2) It's post first-run syndication value.
3) Merchandising, especially DVD sales.
4) The demographic quality of it's audience.
5) Award nominations and critical acclaim.
6) Growth potential.
7) It's ability to nurture unknown talent to graduate to new projects.
8) Buzz.

Lost is a five year show.

nuttyinnyc,

Its not that I think Lost is going to get cancelled anytime soon; I just have my doubts as to whether they can keep the suspense up for 4 more years. So much of the tension Lost brought in the first 2 years surrounding the unknown is now gone, and that was a HUGE part of the attraction. I agree about the current ratings you mentioned, and hope the writers can continue with the success they had during the first 2 seasons. Time will tell, but I'm confident it will last at least another 2 years.

The ratings are fine for Lost - it isn't going anywhere. The only danger in the short term is if it continues to trend down, the suits may meddle with the direction of the show.

But there is absolutely no risk of cancellation.I agree with all of this. One other thing to think about. As they start rounding the corner next season I actually kind of hope the ratings do fall somewhat more. That might serve to dissuade the network from pressuring the producers to extend the show. If the ratings remain too high, you know they will want to push them to keep it going. That would be unfortunate. So I'd like to see them remain as they have been going so the show can finish naturally, and still slide into home with "respectable" ratings.


ron

They need to go 4 or 5 more years if they want to have a good shot at developing a number of successful spin-offs. :)

Figured since we aren't talking about the show anymore and it's only Friday, we can spend a couple days coming up with potential spinoffs and the premise for each. :D

The real value of a show is determined by a number of factors:

1) It's production cost vs. revenue.
2) It's post first-run syndication value.
3) Merchandising, especially DVD sales.
4) The demographic quality of it's audience.
5) Award nominations and critical acclaim.
6) Growth potential.
7) It's ability to nurture unknown talent to graduate to new projects.
8) Buzz.

Lost is a five year show.
You are so right with everyone of those reasons. Season 2 DVD is still in the top five of TV DVD's purchased. It has made 8.5 mil with rentals. It always has Buzz and hype. This forum wouldn't exist if it didn't.
It probably won't get max numbers for syndication but it will get money. Any show that has been on TV looks for that 100 show barrier that is what the producers are looking for.
This year I doubt it would be shut out of the Emmys like it was last year. They are keeping cost down by killing people off. They can't ask for more money if they are dead.

They need to go 4 or 5 more years if they want to have a good shot at developing a number of successful spin-offs. :)

"My Name Is Sawyer"
"The New Adventure's of Old Kate"
"Jack's Anatomy"
"John Locke: Bear Hunter"
"G'day Mate with Charlie and Claire"

God help us !!!!

He'd previously made the drug mixture in Season 1 and fed it to Boone, which caused Boone to hallucinate that Shannon was killed by the "monster".

That's right! I forgot about that.

So how come nobody else is eating the hallucinogenic goop? Not a whole lot else to do on that island.... I'd imagine Locke would be a very popular guy once the word got out. :D

They need to go 4 or 5 more years if they want to have a good shot at developing a number of successful spin-offs. :)

Figured since we aren't talking about the show anymore and it's only Friday, we can spend a couple days coming up with potential spinoffs and the premise for each. :D

CSI : Dharma

Jack, Sayid and Kate team up to solve crimes on the island. They all hold pieces to the puzzle, but since they never actually speak to one another about the case none are ever solved. Jack's golf game improves considerably, however.

"Jack's Anatomy"Somehow this title makes me feel just a little, uh, uncomfortable.... Not that there's anything wrong with that.


ron

That's right! I forgot about that.

So how come nobody else is eating the hallucinogenic goop? Not a whole lot else to do on that island.... I'd imagine Locke would be a very popular guy once the word got out. :D
well the one guy he gave it to is dead, and he keeps it to himself. He could make a lot of money(fruit) if he would sell it. Even though Charlie knows now and just might want Locke to make him some.

"My Name Is Sawyer"
"The New Adventure's of Old Kate"
"Jack's Anatomy"
"John Locke: Bear Hunter"
"G'day Mate with Charlie and Claire"

God help us !!!!
:D :D :D :D :D

Be careful what you wish for. Kate got a lot less interesting once we found out what she did.

While I agree with you that Kate has become a lot less interesting, I think it's not so much that we found out what she did as that the writers have kind of forgotten about her. They've made her character a lot less compelling by essentially "emasculating" her. She was a tough, leader-type; now she seems to have adopted a more submissive "lady in distress" persona.

But, all that said, I think the "real" Kate will be back, and I think she's gonna' kick Juliet's perky little a$$.

While I agree with you that Kate has become a lot less interesting, I think it's not so much that we found out what she did as that the writers have kind of forgotten about her. They've made her character a lot less compelling by essentially "emasculating" her. She was a tough, leader-type; now she seems to have adopted a more submissive "lady in distress" persona.

But, all that said, I think the "real" Kate will be back, and I think she's gonna' kick Juliet's perky little a$$.
I beg to differ. I wrote it before and really because I love to type and plus I don't want you to have to find it 100 pages ago. "perky" Juliet will help Jack escape. So there will be no kicking of asses by these 2. But I do agree that "REAL" Kate will be back. There was something done to her from Breakfast with Ben to being caged next to Sawyer that has her more subdued right now.
I also agree that the writers are working hard to combine a lot of these stories that characters do get lost in the mix.
Come on! Do we really think Said should have been caught with his pants down when they took the boat. Judging by the last episode, it shows that are trying to give life back to these characters. Who really liked it when Locke lost faith in the island? I don't think any of us did.

...Its not that I think Lost is going to get cancelled anytime soon; I just have my doubts as to whether they can keep the suspense up for 4 more years. So much of the tension Lost brought in the first 2 years surrounding the unknown is now gone, and that was a HUGE part of the attraction...That's a great point! I think it does play a role in the ratings that the nature of storyline tension/suspense is quite different now than it was in seasons 1 and 2. IMO, four more years might be a bit optimistic when stacked up against the kind of shows that have made it that long (6+ years). Maybe if it gets switched to another network like WB or CW.

That's a great point! I think it does play a role in the ratings that the nature of storyline tension/suspense is quite different now than it was in seasons 1 and 2. IMO, four more years might be a bit optimistic when stacked up against the kind of shows that have made it that long (6+ years). Maybe if it gets switched to another network like WB or CW.
same channels. But the CW itself couldn't afford a show like this. Their parents (CBS /Time Warner)can but not the nework themselves. Let alone produce ratings close to what it gets now.

"My Name Is Sawyer"
"The New Adventure's of Old Kate"
"Jack's Anatomy"
"John Locke: Bear Hunter"
"G'day Mate with Charlie and Claire"

God help us !!!!

You forgot:
"Everybody Loves Hurley"

same channels. But the CW itself couldn't afford a show like this. Their parents (CBS /Time Warner)can but not the nework themselves. Let alone produce ratings close to what it gets now.Not this year, that's for sure.

You forgot:
"Everybody Loves Hurley"

:D :D :D

And of course Leslie Arzt in "Bad Day in Blackrock"

And of course Leslie Arzt in "Bad Day in Blackrock"
With a special appearance by Jimmy "JJ" Walker and his favorite catch phrase.

Assuming 'Lost' doesn't get axed, I actually think it could be great for three or four more years. The thing is, don't think 3 or 4 years to resolve the basic questions of Season 1, think 3-4 more seasons of an evolving, expanding storyline.

1st is was about the losties, surviving on the Island of Mystery!
2nd is about the Losties vs Others.
3rd, IMHO, may expand 'Others' into more than one group of 'Others', and introduce a conflict between them, a conflict that's larger than the issues of the Island
4th could be expanded to the point of Island Others vs Outside world Others, Losties caught in the middle. At this point the polar bears/Adam and Eve etc would no longer be a big deal.

Assuming 'Lost' doesn't get axed, I actually think it could be great for three or four more years. The thing is, don't think 3 or 4 years to resolve the basic questions of Season 1, think 3-4 more seasons of an evolving, expanding storyline.

1st is was about the losties, surviving on the Island of Mystery!
2nd is about the Losties vs Others.
3rd, IMHO, may expand 'Others' into more than one group of 'Others', and introduce a conflict between them, a conflict that's larger than the issues of the Island
4th could be expanded to the point of Island Others vs Outside world Others, Losties caught in the middle. At this point the polar bears/Adam and Eve etc would no longer be a big deal.

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Hello? Just a sec, I'll ask him.......
Hey cavalier, some guy named J.J. Adams is on the phone. Want's to know if you'd want to move to Hawaii....

:D

Humbolt County Sherriff
EDWARD F COLBURN
Badge #84023
S/N: 2934765876

Some other things listed are:

Graduated Humbolt County School District: 1989
College Grad: 1991 Major: Police Science
Basic Law Enforcement Academy


Patrol Division 1994-Present
CA Jaycees
Several Certs of Commendation



Qualifications:
Long Rifle
M-16
First Aid
Motorcycle
SWAT
CrimeLab
Cyber
CSI-1

Damn, I typed all this in and no one has any clues from it? The numbers and qualifications must have some meaning to someone.

Assuming 'Lost' doesn't get axed, I actually think it could be great for three or four more years. The thing is, don't think 3 or 4 years to resolve the basic questions of Season 1, think 3-4 more seasons of an evolving, expanding storyline.

1st is was about the losties, surviving on the Island of Mystery!
2nd is about the Losties vs Others.
3rd, IMHO, may expand 'Others' into more than one group of 'Others', and introduce a conflict between them, a conflict that's larger than the issues of the Island
4th could be expanded to the point of Island Others vs Outside world Others, Losties caught in the middle. At this point the polar bears/Adam and Eve etc would no longer be a big deal.
It isn't going anywhere like I have said a few times, but lets have fun and add to that total from sesaon one.
5th: was Locke right that they were all brought to the island on purpose?
6th: if he wasn't, How the hell did 71 people survive with superficial cuts and bruises?
7th: Healing powers? How does it work?
Come on people lets have fun untill wed.

Damn, I typed all this in and no one has any clues from it? The numbers and qualifications must have some meaning to someone.
I got it, he is a cop did I put it together.
Ok I am playing. Not everyone that has been introduced has that much invovled with everyone.
Here is a connection for you. His old training officer is the one that arrested Kate.