8th Season, four two hour episodes, to cover everything that has happened so far. Plus guest roles for William Shatner, Tom Cruise and Mel Gibson.
The only original cast member left is Michael, who doesn't realize that Walt is now the Leader of the Others.

The only original cast member left is Michael, who doesn't realize that Walt is now the Leader of the Others.

"My boy!!!!! What have they done with my boy????? "What do you mean, he's a man, I've been looking for him since he jumped overboard 6 years ago!!!"

Behroooooooz!!!

...They have woven one of the most complex, multi faceted, richly detailed stories I've ever seen on TV...

Very well put - I agree 100%, and I think most of us here would also, which is why we're still watching the show and discussing it here.

Very well put - I agree 100%, and I think most of us here would also, which is why we're still watching the show and discussing it here.

Yes, Lost is an example of the reason shows need writers. It is a refutation of the trend toward reality shows.

- Tom

Is there any significance to the number "69"? Thought I heard once that it means something.

Mel

It's the year the Mets first won the World Series, son.

this is no revelation..it's just another question that we may never get an answer to.

I disagree. I think it is a MAJOR revelation, likely to have a huge impact on a lot of explanations for events, if not the entire show itself. But, again, I COULD BE WRONG!

Anybody notice we passed 19,000 posts today?! :)

<brrrrring, brrrrring> <brrrrring, brrrrring>

Hello? Just a sec, I'll ask him.......
Hey cavalier, some guy named J.J. Adams is on the phone. Want's to know if you'd want to move to Hawaii....

:D
Congrats!!!!!! Mr 19,000!!

oooh,I missed it by one post! I was getting mentioned in 19000 though, so my memory is forever enshrined!

oooh,I missed it by one post! I was getting mentioned in 19000 though, so my memory is forever enshrined!
you must be really proud!!!

I watched episode 2 and 3 again over this weekend, Dam late nights and can't get sleep. 2 things I have noticed that was debated earlier in this thread.

1) did she or didn't Sun shoot on purpose? I already said there was no hesitation when she fired. after further review. Said tells her where the gun is and she tells him that if they come to the ship that means my husband is already dead. So all she knew at the time of the shooting is they killed her husband already. She killed for Love! For Revenge! For her Husband! She has always Loved Jin, she didn't like what her father made him into to. Which made her stray elsewhere for companionship.

2) During the escape attempt people question why Kate didn't help. Right before he kissed her she was bending down in exhaustion from breaking up the rocks. She was tired! It wasn't that Kate didn't want to help see probably would have. She was caught by surprise by the kiss and too tired to help him.
Just some insight after view #2.

you must be really proud!!!

Single biggest achievement in my life, will be replacing 'Education' on my Resume.

Single biggest achievement in my life, will be replacing 'Education' on my Resume.
stop that, that was a good one. LOL LOL and LOL some more

you must be really proud!!!


Yeah, you remember how we talked about the 18,000th person for weeks.

(Kate) was bending down in exhaustion from breaking up the rocks...

Yes; I had to replay that several times so that I could confirm it for myself!

Yes; I had to replay that several times so that I could confirm it for myself!
Now you see there was no way she would have the strenght to pick up a shovel anymore to do any damage. Not when she is only eating fish crackers.

I think the police's plan to infiltrate the commune was pretty weak. It was not a given that Locke would stop to pick up a hitchiker in the first place. Second, what if Locke didn't invite the guy to come to supper and just dropped him off and drove away. Finally, if Eddie was such a good cop (CSI, SWAT, etc.) don't you think he would have smelled the pot growing in the greenhouse?

Actually the police had a pretty good psychological profile on Locke. They predicted that he would be open to inviting Eddie in. Plus pulling Locke over after picking up Eddie was a nice touch by the police.

Lost related: On Office-NBC last night, Dwight was interrogating Ryan during a bizarre initiation and was shouting unrelated questions at him. One of the questions was "What is the Dharma Initiative?" ;)

Dwight is a huge Lost fan apparently. He's made reference to "the others" on the show before. Also, his blog had a hilarious entry where he speculated what would happen if the Battlestar Galactica cast crash-landed on the Lost Island. :D

He'd previously made the drug mixture in Season 1 and fed it to Boone, which caused Boone to hallucinate that Shannon was killed by the "monster".

How did you remember that?

Forget poster #19000, I'm poster #19021!

How did you remember that?

How did you not? :)

How did you not? :)

First thing I thought of as well--But I remember thinking at the time that Locke drugged Boone, "How did he know how to do that?"

Maybe this was covered during the first two seasons in this thread, but in any case...

4+8+15+16+23+42 = 108. The number of minutes until the computer needed to be reset.


Desmond failed to reset the computer on time causing the plane to crash.

We were told 48 people survived flight 815.

4-8-15

Still working on the other numbers.

You guessed it; I've got nothing better to do. :)

You're a little late to the party when talking about "numbers" theory, Aliens. There was page upon page of discussion about them in the earlier seasons. ;)

So far this season, the numbers have been less visible than in previous seasons. I'm wondering if they, and all the coincidences derived therefrom, weren't just a kind of fun diversion for the writers that kinda' got out of control with the fans, and now they're trying to dial it back. They made a half-hearted attempt to explain them in one of the Hanso/Dharma videos in "The Lost Experience" this summer (you can find it on "YouTube") but it made no sense at all. Which, I suppose, was sorta' the point.

You're a little late to the party when talking about "numbers" theory, Aliens. There was page upon page of discussion about them in the earlier seasons. ;)


Aw, I assumed you guys were down to the panties; I just had to pacify my ego and get on the record – and I was bored. :)

How did you remember that?

cuz this thread has 19000 posts in it ;)

First thing I thought of as well--But I remember thinking at the time that Locke drugged Boone, "How did he know how to do that?"

Locke had clearly studied up on all sorts of survivalist techniques over the years, so the mixing of native plants into a drug compound didn't seem like a stretch to me.

Plus, now we see that he'd spent some time in a hippie pot farm commune where I'm sure he learned all about various hallucinogenic substances.

Locke had clearly studied up on all sorts of survivalist techniques over the years, so the mixing of native plants into a drug compound didn't seem like a stretch to me.

Plus, now we see that he'd spent some time in a hippie pot farm commune where I'm sure he learned all about various hallucinogenic substances.
I agree!

I think part of what makes Locke interesting is at times he knows things and has the ability to do things that you don't really learn from reading, or taking a weekend course. There are moments where he seems like he *must* have some sort of special military/survivalist background.

Then there are aspects that make him look like some sort of meek, mild, Walter Mitty type of character.
It really makes him interesting, perhaps my favorite character on the island.

Kate & Sawyer are murderers, Locke & Jack are not; which may be a good indicator regarding the difference in the treatment from the "Others" each character has experienced.

Over 24 hours with out a post? Everyone must be anxiously anticipating tonights episode!

Over 24 hours with out a post? Everyone must be anxiously anticipating tonights episode!


Polar bear fatigue. :-)


If you're in the mood for a few spoilers you can go to Kristin's Eonline Site:

Watch With Kristin (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=bb2216f9-b782-422b-b3f5-b1e9869210f2)

Nothing too farfetched in there, but you've been warned. :-) How many new eps before they go on break?

Polar bear fatigue. :-)


If you're in the mood for a few spoilers you can go to Kristin's Eonline Site:

Watch With Kristin (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=bb2216f9-b782-422b-b3f5-b1e9869210f2)

Nothing too farfetched in there, but you've been warned. :-) How many new eps before they go on break?

3 (including tonight)

3 (including tonight)

Ouch...I have to remind myself that I prefer this newer format to the torture of guessing the schedule last year.

Let's discuss Ben Linus - says he was born on the island. Appears to be 40+ years old. The DeGroots started their experiments in the 70's which would mean that Ben was around on the island before the experiments began.

In the CTV (Canadian TV) previews for tonight's episode, we see Ben leading Sawyer up to the top of a hill or mountain, and saying to Sawer, "There's nowhere to run." Sawyer's facial expression is one of shock and dismay.

So what do we think Sawyer sees?

posg, you're sure to get irrate responses from those that don't want any spoilers....

Since I'm not mentioning anything specific, the hyperbole they are doing in the new promos I've seen over the last few nights seems pretty thick. The "You won't believe what happens!" kind of stuff. They are even promising some "answers to questions everybody has been waiting for" in the next few ep. We'll see...


ron

posg, you're sure to get irrate responses from those that don't want any spoilers....

Since I'm not mentioning anything specific, the hyperbole they are doing in the new promos I've seen over the last few nights seems pretty thick. The "You won't believe what happens!" kind of stuff. They are even promising some "answers to questions everybody has been waiting for" in the next few ep. We'll see...


ron

Previews are fair game, even Canadian previews. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Previews are fair game, even Canadian previews. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:No, no, no. Only certain previews ;). And definitely not Canadian ones :D. Just wait ...


ron

5 hours till air!

Kate & Sawyer are murderers, Locke & Jack are not; which may be a good indicator regarding the difference in the treatment from the "Others" each character has experienced.
Jack is a doctor, he probably killed before. Wait he did he made a choice to take care of the pretty GIRL instead of the man which killed that guy. So he isn't that inocent.

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Boy, you just can't wait for that last 5 minutes of Dancing with the Stars!

:D

Ouch...I have to remind myself that I prefer this newer format to the torture of guessing the schedule last year.
yes, we like this schedule, please keep reminding yourself. The one thing I am shocked about the new schedule is that they (ABC) don't try to maximize ratings by having this show run for the final 2 weeks before Thanksgiving If the new show faulters, that will be 2 weeks of ratings that would have greatly helpd ABC during a sweeps month. But that show does look good I will be watching.

24 hr, ha, wait till the break. we might top that then.

Do we have a definate kick off date for season 2?

Let's discuss Ben Linus - says he was born on the island. Appears to be 40+ years old. The DeGroots started their experiments in the 70's which would mean that Ben was around on the island before the experiments began.
The Indians were in America before Columbus discovered it too. He might have been an occupant of the island before they arrived. Then he ended up being or learning how to become a leader and took over as leader of who ever remained on the island since the incident.

Daniel Dae Kim on Megan Mullaly coming up in the next few minutes. Just channel surfing and saw it so sorry for posting this last-minute.

Jack is a doctor, he probably killed before. Wait he did he made a choice to take care of the pretty GIRL instead of the man which killed that guy. So he isn't that inocent.

He made a difficult decision. He's not responsible for the death. One of the two patients was going to die, he simply chose the one he could help. That's a decision many ER MDs are going to have to make.

I think the real important facts of Jack's past have yet to be revealed. His time in Thailand and his tats (what made him do that)? His disheveled appearance at his parent's house when his mother asked him to go get his father back from Australia? Dunno. But an estranged father and a failed marriage aren't all that compelling as to why Jack is so messed up.

He made a difficult decision. He's not responsible for the death. One of the two patients was going to die, he simply chose the one he could help. That's a decision many ER MDs are going to have to make.

I think the real important facts of Jack's past have yet to be revealed. His time in Thailand and his tats (what made him do that)? His disheveled appearance at his parent's house when his mother asked him to go get his father back from Australia? Dunno. But an estranged father and a failed marriage aren't all that compelling as to why Jack is so messed up.
Don't forget about the rumors about Claire being his sister.

You are right, he has a lot of issues. But I don't think they will ever get that deep in his character. Those 2 facts (Father & Marriage) are a big part of him being a little bit on the crazy side. They need and will explain the Tats, because that has been mentioned many times during the course of the 2+ years. Only time will tell.

Does anyone else think they need a little bit more direction in the show? It was just brought up in the Heroes thread and I think it makes total sense...the reason Heroes is so much more intriquing to me (as compared to Lost) is that it has somewhere its going...I don't feel like Lost is going anywhere...

Sure there are a ton of questions left to be answered, but what about overal plot and storyline? I feel like I know less about where the show might be going this season than last and that scares me....

Does anyone else think they need a little bit more direction in the show? It was just brought up in the Heroes thread and I think it makes total sense...the reason Heroes is so much more intriquing to me (as compared to Lost) is that it has somewhere its going...I don't feel like Lost is going anywhere...

Sure there are a ton of questions left to be answered, but what about overal plot and storyline? I feel like I know less about where the show might be going this season than last and that scares me....So tell me Lax, what direction and where is Heroes going?

...

Sure there are a ton of questions left to be answered, but what about overal plot and storyline? I feel like I know less about where the show might be going this season than last and that scares me....

Why do you think they call it Lost? :) I'm lost too.

Does anyone else think they need a little bit more direction in the show? It was just brought up in the Heroes thread and I think it makes total sense...the reason Heroes is so much more intriquing to me (as compared to Lost) is that it has somewhere its going...I don't feel like Lost is going anywhere...

Sure there are a ton of questions left to be answered, but what about overal plot and storyline? I feel like I know less about where the show might be going this season than last and that scares me....
I bet you and ‘others’ said the same thing about Lost during its first year. Chill, lax. You will eventually change your perspective on Heroes in the same way you and ‘others’ changed theirs about Lost. Relax and enjoy it for what it is - TV isn't life or death - it's simply entertainment.

It's interesting to see the dissin' factor going up. I think we just need to let them play out this particular plotline, and I think we'll get some answers. Face it, we all love this show and we're all going to keep watching because this is still in the running for the best show on TV. It's still a whole buncha' fun.

And as to the comparison with Heroes, one difference is that LOST really needs a definitive finish date. At some point, we need to get all the answers (at least to the really big questions/mysteries) and it needs to come to an organic end. I'd prefer that to be sooner (5 years, tops) rather than later. With Heroes, like a comic book, it can keep going on indefinitely. They have a lot of time to perfect the formula, which has been erratic thusfar, IMO. It's ratings are surprisingly (even to NBC) strong so far which means, if it keeps going, it may reach a kind of "critical mass" where a show becomes habit and gets a chance at a long run. But LOST is more polished right now, and far more interesting to me.

that's it I'm done.
I know it is even before the show starts but we haven't heard it in 2 weeks. I thought you guys might have missed hearing it.
This truly was the best episode of the season to date for no one to give up on it. The ratings are leveling out, the stories are getting better, more action , more answers then questions, then boom a long 13 week break. Like I said before the new schedule is good but we really won't be happy until they give it the "24" treatment.
One more hour what you do before it starts.

It's interesting to see the dissin' factor going up. I think we just need to let them play out this particular plotline, and I think we'll get some answers. Face it, we all love this show and we're all going to keep watching because this is still in the running for the best show on TV. It's still a whole buncha' fun.

And as to the comparison with Heroes, one difference is that LOST really needs a definitive finish date. At some point, we need to get all the answers (at least to the really big questions/mysteries) and it needs to come to an organic end. I'd prefer that to be sooner (5 years, tops) rather than later. With Heroes, like a comic book, it can keep going on indefinitely. They have a lot of time to perfect the formula, which has been erratic thusfar, IMO. It's ratings are surprisingly (even to NBC) strong so far which means, if it keeps going, it may reach a kind of "critical mass" where a show becomes habit and gets a chance at a long run. But LOST is more polished right now, and far more interesting to me.
I don't know arch, It (heros)can last a long time, but the thing that makes it good is the story(of course) and the way they are finding out their powers and trying to get them all together to fight against a common foe. Once they are together and that foe is defeated, where do they go from there? Fight against one bad guy per show, that would be too generic. I know the writers will figure out something to keep us intrigued but we will see.

As for LOST, the writers have found a way to keep us intrigued and continue to make this a must see show for millions of people, myself being one of them. Having that much of effect on people should be an accomplishment. In 3 weeks they have answered a lot of questions(whether they satisfied you or not) just like they promised. To me that is excellent writing.

Sure there are a ton of questions left to be answered, but what about overal plot and storyline? I feel like I know less about where the show might be going this season than last and that scares me....

Doesn't scare me. I'm just enjoying the ride! :)

After skipping Heroes to begin with I recorded the mini marathon on Sunday and watched them on Monday just before the new ep. I think it's pretty decent so far. Definitely very comic book which is fine with me. It didn't stir nearly the same level of excitement with me as when LOST began though.

LOST is an Adventure/Mystery. If they give you too many answers to the big questions too soon there will no longer be enough mystery to keep it interesting. They're slowly peeling away at the big mystery, revealing pieces of the puzzle and putting in twists and turns along the way. I think most people agree that it definitely needs a finite ending to keep it from just becoming an overbloated, chain yanker though. Let's hope that is how it ultimately goes down.

So what does everybody think? Do any/all/some of our Losties eventually make it back to their homes in the end?


ron

That whole pace maker thing is just stupid. There were no stitches on his cut.

Loved the watch and cold shower!

So what does everybody think? Do any/all/some of our Losties eventually make it back to their homes in the end? Any? My guess would be yes.

That whole pace maker thing is just stupid. There were no stitches on his cut.
becareful no-spoilers it is still 630 in the west coast. but since you started A lot of opperations are stich free or the stiches are under th skin now. We still don't know how high tech the others truly are.

We've never worried about the Westies before. They should know better than to be in here before 8pm pst

becareful no-spoilers it is still 630 in the west coast.

The show is fair game once it starts on the east coast. That's the rule on this thread. Sorry 'bout that!

The show is fair game once it starts on the east coast. That's the rule on this thread. Sorry 'bout that!
is it? Never mind then. Just trying to give them some respect because I know I try to catch up with right before the show starts. I just assumed someone else on the west would do the same. Sorry about that. I haven't read all the post(who could?) so no rule broken = no harm done. Enjoy the final 10 min.

The show is fair game once it starts on the east coast. That's the rule on this thread. Sorry 'bout that!


Every Man for Himself....

Every Man for Himself....

Clever

Well, I was almost right. I thought it was a boat that the others used to sneak up on Sun but it was a sub :) The 3rd season is really shaping up to be better than the 2nd IMO and we're getting alot more info in each show.

I wonder if the entire cast of Deadwood will end up on Lost. First Trixie, then Joanie.

RIP, Trixie.

Well, I was almost right. I thought it was a boat that the others used to sneak up on Sun but it was a sub :) The 3rd season is really shaping up to be better than the 2nd IMO and we're getting alot more info in each show.
where tha H@#$ did you get that from? It is good but did they show it?

Any guesses who Jack is going to need to do surgery on? Would be a hoot if it is Ben.

Ben said "the sub is back. we have a situation so come with me now" when he rushed in and interrupted Juliette and Jack. I just triple checked this on my dvr.

Ben needs the surgery from what the previews showed afterward....

Best Lost of season 3, by far. Now, how were the losties transported to there present quaters? I thought they had walked from the dock, but if what we saw today is true then they would have needed a boat.

Or the sub :)

It was a submarine. I also heard Ben say "sub" when he busted in on Jack and Juliette (replayed it to make sure).

A sub makes sense also for how they got onto the sailboat without Sayid noticing.

Who's the dude with the eyepatch on the Pearl station monitor in next week's preview? Also there was a woman I don't recognize. Looks like Locke is going to get Sayid to hack into Dharmatel lines in the Pearl.

What the hell was that on the black & white monitor in the coming attractions? Looked like a half alien, half man.

Can this show get any stranger? Probably.

You gotta love it!

I believe she's one of the two new losties along with that golfer guy as they keep getting dialog albeit not much.

Also of note in this ep was the brief talk right as Sawyer was waking up for his pacemaker procedure, Mr. Friendly mentioned that since the sky went all purple their comms have been down (to the mainland I suppose). Sounds like they weren't expecting the purple sky.

yeah, they didn't think the losties had the balls not to push the button or desmond turning the key afterward.

What the hell was that on the black & white monitor in the coming attractions? Looked like a half alien, half man.

Can this show get any stranger? Probably.

You gotta love it!

Looked like an alien to me too, but both an alien and also a man with an eyepatch. Weird, baby!!!

They say you can't bullsh*t a bullsh*tter, but I guess you can con a con, huh?

What the hell was that on the black & white monitor in the coming attractions? Looked like a half alien, half man.

"HIM" perhaps ???

I bet you and ‘others’ said the same thing about Lost during its first year. Chill, lax. You will eventually change your perspective on Heroes in the same way you and ‘others’ changed theirs about Lost. Relax and enjoy it for what it is - TV isn't life or death - it's simply entertainment.

I think you totally mis-interpretted what I said...I love Lost...I've been watching it since the begining and have always supported it...I was simply saying the true storyline and plot just does not seem as drawn out as Heroes (i.e.: save the world from this group). We are now seeing the Others and they really aren't as bad as we thought...they aren't Dharma, and they aren't even on the same island! So that really makes you rethink what they are there for and what they are doing to the Losties.

A few points I'd like to make...

It appears the Others don't know what the violet light is from...the way Tom said his statement about Comms being down (had to rewind that one as well), they way he said it made it sound like he didn't know the source of the light. Just how I picked up on it.

Juliet is a fertility doctor...you could draw a ton of inferences here...Claire and the baby, Sun and her baby??

Ben, most likely has the tumor on his spine...they said 40 years old and he is pretty much the oldest one we've seen (I think)

Desmond is seemingly more and more pyschic....he knew the lighting strike was going to happen...


And there were stiches for Sawyer's pace-maker. When Kate is undressing and has her back to him, he turns around and looks at the wound. It is stitched up. Like Ben said, you have to con a con and I doubt he would have been conned had their been no stitches.

I thought the scene where Picket (Buck from Kill Bill) was beating Sawyer was extremely odd...and over-done. Didn't sit well with the rest of the show...

2 Islands...well that was a nice surprise and I really hadn't expected it...I guess we now know why there is a ferry dock...

Tumor on spine = Locke

I believe she's one of the two new losties along with that golfer guy as they keep getting dialog albeit not much.
She was the one yelling at Hurley last week for not telling everyone that the 3 were capture. Just another character that will have a backstory behind her. She was one oif the 2 that were added to the losties.

Tumor on spine = Locke

and how exactly would they get x-rays of Locke's spin? The x-rays had a logo on them. It was an R with two circles in the top right hand corner of the logo. Have we seen that anywhere else?

Tumor on spine = Locke


no i think the preview pretty much gave away the fact that it's the leader of the others...

and how exactly would they get x-rays of Locke's spin? The x-rays had a logo on them. It was an R with two circles in the top right hand corner of the logo. Have we seen that anywhere else?
the R will mean nothing, except what it truly means that is the Right side of the body. anyone who has taken many X-rays like me know they always put one of 2 stickers or magnet next to you, either an R or L(right or left). But they symbol might have some significance.

the R will mean nothing, except what it truly means that is the Right side of the body. anyone who has taken many X-rays like me know they always put one of 2 stickers or magnet next to you, either an R or L(right or left). But they symbol might have some significance.

heh I didn't even think of the obvious...I guess they could get x-rays if they have access to the outside...but it seems like they have been having trouble communicating with the outside world since the hatch implosion...

She was the one yelling at Hurley last week for not telling everyone that the 3 were capture. Just another character that will have a backstory behind her. She was one oif the 2 that were added to the losties.

Kiele Sanchez aka Nikki on the show.

that is ok, we always looking for more sometimes that the easiest answers is sometimes the hardest.
2 Islands, dammit!!!!! now they gone and did it. Could it be a mirage? or like a reflection or the island he is on against the magnetic field? How does having a second island help else or them. Don't even get me started on the questions that I am thinking.

2 more poeple that need stories told about them when we need more of the current members to have more fashbacks.

I've never had the "R" or "L" magnets placed for my x-rays unless it was a leg, arm. hand, foot, etc. where they are designating which one. Since there is only one spine, and the orientation is obvious, it wouldn't make much sense to add it.

I'm not buying the 2 island scam. As much time as Sayyid spent sailing around and being on the same side of the island as the dock how could he have not seen the other island. In fact, when Jack went looking for Claire's baby and ended up on the opposite side of the island he should have seen it then. I don't know how they did it but there is no other island.

even on chest Xrays the put the magnnets on because the rays are reversable you nee to know which side you are looking at. Plus remmber this the person who takes the x-ray would not be the one taking it. All X-rays have somekind of magnet ot is pre printed on the x ray itself for the high end places.

No, if you turn it over, you'd see the rib cage. :D

I'm not buying the 2 island scam. As much time as Sayyid spent sailing around and being on the same side of the island as the dock how could he have not seen the other island. In fact, when Jack went looking for Claire's baby and ended up on the opposite side of the island he should have seen it then. I don't know how they did it but there is no other island.
I itsn't a scam just anther cocn trying to play the Long CON on Saywer. When he looked right he saw beaches when he looked acroos and saw beeaches and a mountain area, he isn't stupid show it to hime again he will figure it out.

No, if you turn it over, you'd see the rib cage. :D
too early in the morning to be that serious. turn it side to side not flip it up!

I don't know about anyone else, but watching the first part of the show made me angry. A show like this one is not supposed to make you angry. I am truly sick of the torture the three captive are undergoing. Cut this crap and advance the plot.

As to the two island issue, if you recall in the training films there was a reference to the ferry that would transport the "workers" back after their shift was over. So I don't think the second island is an illusion.

I'm not buying the 2 island scam. As much time as Sayyid spent sailing around and being on the same side of the island as the dock how could he have not seen the other island. In fact, when Jack went looking for Claire's baby and ended up on the opposite side of the island he should have seen it then. I don't know how they did it but there is no other island.

I suppose it's possible that if the main island is normally invisible/shielded, then DHARMA could have studied that and then engineered a similar system for this 2nd island. If the 2nd island's invis system is still working, then the folks on the main island wouldn't be able to see it. It could be this is why they gave that specific heading for Michael/Walt to follow - maybe it would run them right into the 2nd island.

In the first eppy the view from the others showed the plane breaking up above them. Ben then told Ethan and the other dude to haul ass and get to the fueselage and tail section and they went their seperate ways. So they didn't hitch a ride in the sub to get to the other island? But I thought it was made fairly obvious that the plane crashed on their island too. Doesn't make sense. I think there is something more to this second island like a mirage.

I think Patch man from the previews is a part of the third group of people on the island. Probably the true "others" making Ben and Co. the good guys like they keep mentioning. This could be the infected group that were snatching and sneaking up on people last season.

I think you need to separate "otherville" seen in the 3x01 and the Hydra station which we see now is over on the other island (I suppose we can start calling the other island Pala since that was the ferry name). Two totally separate places. I think there are quite a bunch of Others who are still over at otherville, which is why the Hydra folks seem kind of shorthanded.

no i think the preview pretty much gave away the fact that it's the leader of the others...
And information like this is why I don't watch the previews.

Of course it doesn't always help. :rolleyes:

...Desmond is seemingly more and more pyschic....he knew the lighting strike was going to happen...

...I thought the scene where Picket (Buck from Kill Bill) was beating Sawyer was extremely odd...and over-done. Didn't sit well with the rest of the show...

Good points. Here's a couple of thoughts.
1. Maybe they are leading us to believe he is psychic, but really that does not go along with the "everything" has a rational scientific/logical reason. He could just be having some nice coincidences. Example from previous ep, he knows Locke's personality and figured he'd be making a speech, or he had hallucinated/dreamed about Locke making a speech. Example from this ep...perhaps the lightning struck there because he built the lighting rod. Otherwise, it may not have struck at all. Perhaps he's going crazy and imagining things happening, like to Claire's roof, then by his own actions, he causes an event...
Well, then again maybe he's travelled to the future and knows certain events because he's already seen them. :) I guess that could be "scientific"

2. Maybe they really needed it to seem like he was going to kill Sawyer in order for Kate to reveal her true feelings for him.

Tumor on spine = Locke

I thought the same thing.... until I saw the previews for next week. Although, it woudn't be the first time the previews were misleading if it turns out to be someone other than Ben... I think it would make an interesting explanation for Locke's in/out paralysis... (granted, I know nothing about tumors on spines)...

Also, keep in mind, from the preview, we don't know for certain that they have told Jack that those are Ben's x-rays....He may still be assuming and the others aren't telling him otherwise..

All this psychological torture with Sawyer and Kate could be directed at finding out whether those Losties, who have killed someone, are truly "good" or not. Pickett beats up on Sawyer until Kate says she loves him (does having someone truly love you make you worthy of survival, or "good"?). Jack could be there just so he can operate on Ben's tumor, as he seems to be figuring out. Hurley, never having killed anyone and not having any special skills The Others need, was let go; no reason to keep him captive.

This stuff with the second island is a kick though. Got no idea where that one's going. Clearly, they go back and forth frequently, including to their little bucolic suburban "town" on the main island, but consider the small island "home". And now we at least know why The Hydra station didn't appear on Kelvin's map.

I think Patch man from the previews is a part of the third group of people on the island. Probably the true "others" making Ben and Co. the good guys like they keep mentioning. This could be the infected group that were snatching and sneaking up on people last season.

But the Others who snatched the Losties shortly after the crash had a list (ordered by Ben) , and the Other (dispatched by Ben) that was killed by Anna Lucia mentioned that the children taken were fine.

So why did Desmond make the lightning rod? Did he have some use for a fulgurite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgurite)?

So why did Desmond make the lightning rod? Did he have some use for a fulgurite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgurite)?

He was unable to get Claire to leave her tent, so he made it so the lightning would hit the rod and not her tent.

chad

I don't know about anyone else, but watching the first part of the show made me angry. A show like this one is not supposed to make you angry. I am truly sick of the torture the three captive are undergoing. Cut this crap and advance the plot.

ITA. I am getting so sick of this going-nowhere "plot." The Others aren't scary and mysterious any more: they're just cruel and annoying, with no explanation for it. And are we actually supposed to feel sympathy for Juliet and Broken Nose Man? If Jack were actually someone I still liked, he would have told them all to shove it, or maybe release my friends and I'll think about looking at the patient. Just about done with this show. Too bad. I'll keep watching until the hiatus, and then hopefully I'll miss it while it's gone. :(

ITA. I am getting so sick of this going-nowhere "plot." The Others aren't scary and mysterious any more: they're just cruel and annoying, with no explanation for it. And are we actually supposed to feel sympathy for Juliet and Broken Nose Man? If Jack were actually someone I still liked, he would have told them all to shove it, or maybe release my friends and I'll think about looking at the patient. Just about done with this show. Too bad. I'll keep watching until the hiatus, and then hopefully I'll miss it while it's gone. :(But didn't the Producers promise us during last night's upcoming preview that the next two shows would "change everything?" :rolleyes:

But didn't the Producers promise us during last night's upcoming preview that the next two shows would "change everything?" :rolleyes:

how many times have they said that?

I actually really liked last nights episode...it moved the plot along just enough not to make me angry...remember, this is still a character drama and not a science-ficition. I will continue to watch until the show ends/cancelled.

I realize Jack has this "I got to fix it" disorder, but his willingness to help without something in return was just silly.

Loved the watch and cold shower!


Yeah...when did you ever envision Sawyer telling Kate to "Put some clothes on!"

:-)

I realize Jack has this "I got to fix it" disorder, but his willingness to help without something in return was just silly.

Well they obviously have broken him down....psychologically. Hes pretty much their lap-dog now...

Well, I was almost right. I thought it was a boat that the others used to sneak up on Sun but it was a sub :) The 3rd season is really shaping up to be better than the 2nd IMO and we're getting alot more info in each show.

As long as it's not the same Japanese mini-sub from Gilligan's island...

Who's the dude with the eyepatch on the Pearl station monitor in next week's preview?

Nick Fury, Agent of Shield

Well they obviously have broken him down....psychologically. Hes pretty much their lap-dog now...

"I'm a doctor dammit, not a lap dog."

Good points. Here's a couple of thoughts.
1. Maybe they are leading us to believe he is psychic, but really that does not go along with the "everything" has a rational scientific/logical reason. He could just be having some nice coincidences. Example from previous ep, he knows Locke's personality and figured he'd be making a speech, or he had hallucinated/dreamed about Locke making a speech. Example from this ep...perhaps the lightning struck there because he built the lighting rod. Otherwise, it may not have struck at all. Perhaps he's going crazy and imagining things happening, like to Claire's roof, then by his own actions, he causes an event...
Well, then again maybe he's travelled to the future and knows certain events because he's already seen them. :) I guess that could be "scientific"

2. Maybe they really needed it to seem like he was going to kill Sawyer in order for Kate to reveal her true feelings for him.

He wanted to get Claire out of the Hut because he saw the future in his mind and lightning strking the hut with them in it. That's why he was telling her he would fix the roof. She wouldn't leave so he built a lightning rod instead so the bolt would hit that instead of claire and Aaron in the Hut. At least that was my take on it.

I thought the scene where Picket (Buck from Kill Bill) was beating Sawyer was extremely odd...and over-done. Didn't sit well with the rest of the show...




Yeah, I don't understand the guy's hostility towards the Losties. Well of course they did shoot and kill his woman, but even prior to that he seemed to have it in for them. The rest of the Others seemed oddly dispassionate about it and view the Losties as tools/resources to use.

He wanted to get Claire out of the Hut because he saw the future in his mind and lightning strking the hut with them in it. That's why he was telling her he would fix the roof. She wouldn't leave so he built a lightning rod instead so the bolt would hit that instead of claire and Aaron in the Hut. At least that was my take on it.

Agreed.

I'm guessing that the injections we saw Desmond take last year are the reason he can see into the future

I itsn't a scam just anther cocn trying to play the Long CON on Saywer. When he looked right he saw beaches when he looked acroos and saw beeaches and a mountain area, he isn't stupid show it to hime again he will figure it out.


If you were walking around the whole perimeter of the island, I think its possible you could miss a small island only twice as big as Alcatraz. Two islands would explain the ferry/ small power boat the others had to tool around in.


http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/710/alcamauien7.jpg

Could there be a tunnel connecting the two? Or is the underwater hatch accessible by a "sub" some say Benry blurted out.

how many times have they said that? Hence, my eyeroll.I actually really liked last nights episode...it moved the plot along just enough not to make me angry...remember, this is still a character drama and not a science-ficition. I will continue to watch until the show ends/cancelled.Same here. I still enjoy this show very much and will continue to watch it until it is cancelled (not much longer now). IMO... there are too many open story lines with too few answers and nothing that ties the whole theme together. E.G.:

What happened to Desmond's girlfriend and her discovery of the island's location?

How did Locke wind up in a wheel chair?

What about the BIG four toed statue and what killed the airline pilot, etc.?

Did Walt & Michael make it home? It's obvious they are out of the show.

Sun, Jin & Sayid found the dock that leads to the "others" camp... it sure didn't seem to be on a different island.

Who are the other "others" wandering around barefoot in the jungle?

How did Desmond come to attain his premonitions?

The bunker implodes but Locke, Eko and Desmond all survive, how?

Inquiring minds want to know these things. ;)

Could there be a tunnel connecting the two? Or is the underwater hatch accessible by a "sub" some say Benry blurted out.

No, he did say it. Closed captions confirm it. It's how they were able to "sneak" past Sayid and Jin to board Desmond's boat. There is no tunnel.

I'm guessing that the injections we saw Desmond take last year are the reason he can see into the future

how so? The injections he was taking were supposed to fight the sickeness on the island...which might have been left over from the old Dharma experiements and is no longer pertitnent 30 years later. If he was able to see the future, why would he be so unsure of the reason behind pushing the button? His clairvoyantness is apparently caused by the hatch implosion....not the injections

No, he did say it. Closed captions confirm it. It's how they were able to "sneak" past Sayid and Jin to board Desmond's boat. There is no tunnel.

Lost and Found on ABC's website also confirms its a Sub...called the Galaga...

Am I the only one who thinks that they did not put a pacemaker in Sawyers chest?? I mean it'd be as effective if they didn't - you tell someone that it's there and they'd have to believe it - who'd take a chance ya know....

The watch thing is cool as was the cold shower scene...


Now Sawyer knows for sure they can listen/watch what he and Freckles are doing - you'd think Freckles would have figured it out too and saved her "escape" attempt until nighttime.

Am I the only one who thinks that they did not put a pacemaker in Sawyers chest?? I mean it'd be as effective if they didn't - you tell someone that it's there and they'd have to believe it - who'd take a chance ya know....


Nope I think everybody else who watches the show is with you.....considering Ben told Sawyer that they DIDN'T ACTUALLY PUT IT IN HIM! It was all a con to get him to stop trying to escape...it also might be part of a longer con to get him to help them.

Am I the only one who thinks that they did not put a pacemaker in Sawyers chest?? I mean it'd be as effective if they didn't - you tell someone that it's there and they'd have to believe it - who'd take a chance ya know....

You must have dozed off before the end. That was already confirmed.

Now Sawyer knows for sure they can listen/watch what he and Freckles are doing - you'd think Freckles would have figured it out too and saved her "escape" attempt until nighttime.So how did Henry Gale miss seeing Kate climb out of the top of her cage?

You must have dozed off before the end. That was already confirmed.

Confirmed is a strong word. I don't think they put it in him, but you never know with these others...they could have been telling the truth when they said they put it in him, and lying when they said they didn't.

He probably doesn't have one in him...but I don't think anything on this show is confirmed.

Sorry folks. Don't know how I missed that part where Benry told him they hadn't actually done it (the pacemaker)...


Desmond definitely has some kind of "foresight" esp thing going on or at least that how they (writers) are making it seem.

She's a fertility doctor huh...whole lot of interesting speculation as to what they (the others) are trying to accomplish....

Does this show remind anyone else of the computer game
Myst or Riven?

So how did Henry Gale miss seeing Kate climb out of the top of her cage?

I'm pretty sure Ben saw and heard every word of it. Since Kate climbed back in her cage, he didn't want to show his hand that he was watching/listening.

That is why he knew that Sawyer likes/loves Kate since he heard the entire exchange and knew that Sawyer didn't tell her about the pacemaker. Ben/the others now know that they can use Kate to keep Sawyer in line, which is why he told him that there really wasn't a pacemaker.

Confirmed is a strong word. I don't think they put it in him, but you never know with these others...they could have been telling the truth when they said they put it in him, and lying when they said they didn't.

He probably doesn't have one in him...but I don't think anything on this show is confirmed.

I'll take it as confirmed. If they wanted to kill him, they'd just put a bullet in his head and dump him off that cliff. Telling him there is no pacemaker that will explode his heart - when there actually is one - would only serve to kill him at some later date. And knowing Sawyer, it would be hours, not days before his death.

Sun, Jin & Sayid found the dock that leads to the "others" camp... it sure didn't seem to be on a different island.

I don't think it is on the others island. Remember it is where the took the losties (Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Michael, Hurley). They didn't change islands.

I think that the small island is their prison/research lab/hospital and their home is on the main island where the losties are. They use the dock to make going back and forth between the two easier.

It seems possible the main island is the place of strange yet unexplained phenomena. The smaller island may be a safer base of observation not vulnerable to that stuff, whatever it is.

- Tom

Seems to me that the Dharma Initiative was using the small island as their "home" base to do research on the unique properties of the main island with its strange electromagnetic phenomena. Remember in one of the orientation videos, the Doctor spoke of a "ferry" to take the researchers "home". Now it's clear just where that ferry was going, and thus the need for a dock on the main island. I think perhaps the Others we've seen are the "leftovers" from the original Dharma researchers, maybe their children. There may be other Others on the main island who have "gone native", as it were. That's a shoe yet to be dropped.

how so? The injections he was taking were supposed to fight the sickeness on the island...which might have been left over from the old Dharma experiements and is no longer pertitnent 30 years later. If he was able to see the future, why would he be so unsure of the reason behind pushing the button? His clairvoyantness is apparently caused by the hatch implosion....not the injections

I still can't dismiss that Desmond has some power of foresight when I think back to the original Jack/Desmond flashback at the stadium when Desmond (sort of) predicted the miraculous recovery of jack's patient (later his wife). At the time, I was sure Desmond was the reason she was cured.

I'll take it as confirmed. If they wanted to kill him, they'd just put a bullet in his head and dump him off that cliff. Telling him there is no pacemaker that will explode his heart - when there actually is one - would only serve to kill him at some later date. And knowing Sawyer, it would be hours, not days before his death.

Adding to that, the Others are all trying to break-down their prisoners psychologically ...if they wanted him dead, they could have done what Panther said and just put a bullet in his head. They tried to motivate him to not escape (i.e.: having your heart explode). However, in reality, escape was pretty much impossible anyways since they are on a different island.
So the reason to lie to Sawyer was to, as Ben said, "Gain his respect" via conning him. Even with just that shred of doubt they place in Sawyer, they were able to control his actions and even brought out the side of him that shows he really cares for Kate (by not telling her what happened i.e.: protecting her).

It seems possible the main island is the place of strange yet unexplained phenomena. The smaller island may be a safer base of observation not vulnerable to that stuff, whatever it is.

- Tom

Very similar to the nuclear testing that took place in the 60s and 70s (same era as the Dharma experienments)

I'm pretty sure Ben saw and heard every word of it. Since Kate climbed back in her cage, he didn't want to show his hand that he was watching/listening.

That is why he knew that Sawyer likes/loves Kate since he heard the entire exchange and knew that Sawyer didn't tell her about the pacemaker. Ben/the others now know that they can use Kate to keep Sawyer in line, which is why he told him that there really wasn't a pacemaker.Exactly! ;) Dude… you should be writing this stuff, then perhaps we'll get some answers for a change. :p

I still can't dismiss that Desmond has some power of foresight when I think back to the original Jack/Desmond flashback at the stadium when Desmond (sort of) predicted the miraculous recovery of jack's patient (later his wife).

He might be very innuitive but he wasn't injecting himself that point, so I still think the idea that the injections are causing his future-telling is false

In the first eppy the view from the others showed the plane breaking up above them. Ben then told Ethan and the other dude to haul ass and get to the fueselage and tail section and they went their seperate ways. So they didn't hitch a ride in the sub to get to the other island? But I thought it was made fairly obvious that the plane crashed on their island too. Doesn't make sense. I think there is something more to this second island like a mirage.

Well the little suburban community they were living on during the opening scene of season 3 was clearly on the main island. They probably moved to the other island after the losties had crashed to do whatever it is they are doing...

He might be very innuitive but he wasn't injecting himself that point, so I still think the idea that the injections are causing his future-telling is falseI wonder what the eventual effects will be for Locke, Desmond and Eko whose course was put into motion when the bunker imploded.

I might be wayyyyyyyy off base, but the more I think about the strange phenomenon happening on LOST, the more it reminds me of.....

The continuation of...............

THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT



The blue light, intense electromagnetism, visible light wavelength being bent and restructured to appear to pass right through an object, making it seem invisible (The Little Island).

A side affect of the magnetic fields was often delerium or schitzo, which Locke might be becoming a little Schitzo right now.

Also the belief of using intense magnetism to form worm holes, allow UFO travel, etc.. might explain the upcoming Alien/Pirate or whatever. Also, could the Alien/Pirate be a hybrid of a Polar Bear and a Person? Supposedly the Philadelphia experiment caused people to merge with other objects, like become part of the boat's hull. Well what if 2 living things merged? Animal and man?

The resulting radiation of the experiment supposedly made the boat radioactive and the Navy decommissioned it. Could this radioactivity be giving people tumors? Like the spinal tumor? Possible long term exposure by, whats his name, the Scottish lightning rod guy, gave him a brain tumor giving him certain mental powers, like in the movie Phenomenon.

Could the sub itself be invisible?

Maybe the Others worked the experiment... Maybe they sabotaged it and were left there with no escape, possible with the rest of the world not even being able to visibly see the island.

Maybe this intense magnetism and invisibility is also related to the alleged event of the Bermuda Triangle. COuld they be inside thie rown little Bermuda triangle, when the space/time warp has been compromised?

I love this show...

One thing that puzzles me. If Michael has the boat, how did they move JKS to the other island without them knowing about it--especially if there is no tunnel. I suppose they could have hooded them, brought up the sub, loaded them on the sub, brought them to the island, dropped them off, and JKS may have just thought that they moved from one part of the island to the other. But I would think, having boarded a sea-faring vessel, that I actually left the island. It would not seem that big of a shock to be on a separate island.

Also, gaining respect by conning the con man. Thought that was great. I originally thought that Sawyer was not actually given a pacemaker, but then when I saw the chest x-rays, I thought--well, they wouldn't take the x-rays if they weren't actually going to do it. But then the x-rays turned out to be something totally different.

Anyone have a screen shot of one-eyed willie, the lost alien pirate?

One thing that puzzles me. If Michael has the boat, how did they move JKS to the other island without them knowing about it--especially if there is no tunnel. I suppose they could have hooded them, brought up the sub, loaded them on the sub, brought them to the island, dropped them off, and JKS may have just thought that they moved from one part of the island to the other. But I would think, having boarded a sea-faring vessel, that I actually left the island. It would not seem that big of a shock to be on a separate island.

Also, gaining respect by conning the con man. Thought that was great. I originally thought that Sawyer was not actually given a pacemaker, but then when I saw the chest x-rays, I thought--well, they wouldn't take the x-rays if they weren't actually going to do it. But then the x-rays turned out to be something totally different.

Anyone have a screen shot of one-eyed willie, the lost alien pirate?

Having spent 6 years on a submarine, believe me, you would know if you were on a submarine.

One thing that puzzles me. If Michael has the boat, how did they move JKS to the other island without them knowing about it--especially if there is no tunnel. I suppose they could have hooded them, brought up the sub, loaded them on the sub, brought them to the island, dropped them off, and JKS may have just thought that they moved from one part of the island to the other. But I would think, having boarded a sea-faring vessel, that I actually left the island. It would not seem that big of a shock to be on a separate island.


I agree with that. Jack & company, even hooded, would surely have known they boarded a sea-faring vessel for a short trip. The sub wouldn't necessarily even have had to submerge for such a brief ride (and, a submerging sub would make a lot of submerging-sub noises. No way to hide that from the captives.). But they would still have to know they didn't have solid ground under their feet for a short while.

Anyone have a screen shot of one-eyed willie, the lost alien pirate?

I second the request for a screen shot of the alien/pirate/polar bear/human/ship hull guy...

Maybe Jack, Kate, and Sawyer were KO'd on before they were put on the sub...

I might be wayyyyyyyy off base, but the more I think about the strange phenomenon happening on LOST, the more it reminds me of.....

The continuation of...............

THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT



The blue light, intense electromagnetism, visible light wavelength being bent and restructured to appear to pass right through an object, making it seem invisible (The Little Island).

A side affect of the magnetic fields was often delerium or schitzo, which Locke might be becoming a little Schitzo right now.

Also the belief of using intense magnetism to form worm holes, allow UFO travel, etc.. might explain the upcoming Alien/Pirate or whatever. Also, could the Alien/Pirate be a hybrid of a Polar Bear and a Person? Supposedly the Philadelphia experiment caused people to merge with other objects, like become part of the boat's hull. Well what if 2 living things merged? Animal and man?

The resulting radiation of the experiment supposedly made the boat radioactive and the Navy decommissioned it. Could this radioactivity be giving people tumors? Like the spinal tumor? Possible long term exposure by, whats his name, the Scottish lightning rod guy, gave him a brain tumor giving him certain mental powers, like in the movie Phenomenon.

Could the sub itself be invisible?

Maybe the Others worked the experiment... Maybe they sabotaged it and were left there with no escape, possible with the rest of the world not even being able to visibly see the island.

Maybe this intense magnetism and invisibility is also related to the alleged event of the Bermuda Triangle. COuld they be inside thie rown little Bermuda triangle, when the space/time warp has been compromised?

I love this show...

I'm not sure we can say we are giving a rational scientific explanation for island wormholes, UFO's, bear/human hybrids, and alien pirates simply by saying it is all cause by magnetism. ;)

- Tom

I agree with that. Jack & company, even hooded, would surely have known they boarded a sea-faring vessel for a short trip. The sub wouldn't necessarily even have had to submerge for such a brief ride (and, a submerging sub would make a lot of submerging-sub noises. No way to hide that from the captives.). But they would still have to know they didn't have solid ground under their feet for a short while.


we've already seen them using sensory depravation to cloak Jack's walk to the emergency room...whos to say they didn't put headphones on them (less violent than knocking them out)...and also, remember, they all woke up in their cages...so its a pretty good chance they were drugged

I might be wayyyyyyyy off base, but the more I think about the strange phenomenon happening on LOST, the more it reminds me of.....

The continuation of...............

THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENTI just saw that movie again recently, even in HD Nancy Allen ruins it for me, but I always enjoy seeing Michael Paré as Eddie in "Eddie and the Cruisers" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085475/).

Anyone have a screen shot of one-eyed willie, the lost alien pirate?


http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x05-cost/3x06-preview22.jpg


http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/userpics/10095/3x04quickgrab.jpg

They seem to have plenty of sedatives. Could have easily KO's the trio for the boat ride.

If the island has healing powers, why is there an issue with the tumor?

The writers always seem to throw up red herrings. They have several polar bears appear on the island, then show a cage where the polar bears supposedly were maintained, which is next to the hydra station. Then the supposed hydra station/zoo is on a different island????

Ok, if the bears were on the Hydra island...did they escape and swim their way to the Losties island? Or were they set free there after the experiments were 'over'?

EDIT:

Wow, posted within 1 minute of each other, but ya got there first.

Ok, if the bears were on the Hydra island...did they escape and swim their way to the Losties island? Or were they set free there after the experiments were 'over'?

EDIT:

Wow, posted within 1 minute of each other, but ya got there first.


It's all part of the ongoing DHARMA experiment! lol :)

Sawyer said : "...you think I'm crazy? (...) wipe the stars our of
your eyes..." He said the exact same thing in Locke's dream in the previous episode waiting in line with Kate.

Ok, if the bears were on the Hydra island...did they escape and swim their way to the Losties island? Or were they set free there after the experiments were 'over'?

EDIT:

Wow, posted within 1 minute of each other, but ya got there first.

For those of you who have never been to a zoo or watched the Discovery channel: polar bears can swim. ;)

Also, I'm surprised nobody mentioned the very new heart rate monitor that they gave Sawyer. Obviously they have access to new technology, not just the 1970s junk they are using for watching the Losties.

I thought the Patch Man looked like some alien last night, but based on the pics above, it looks like a man with a Patch.

I thought the Patch Man looked like some alien last night, but based on the pics above, it looks like a man with a Patch.


I think that was intentional editing to throw off those without the luxury of rewind or slomo.

(From Marc Berman’s Thursday, October 26, 2006, Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com )

“…Once again, the little show that could, CBS’ Criminal Minds, gave ABC’s Lost a run for dominance in total viewers. And, yes, that is one of the biggest stories worth telling this season…
At 9 p.m., there are now two shows dominating the hour, ABC’s Lost and CBS’ Criminal Minds. Take a look:

Wednesday 9 p.m.
Lost (ABC)
Overnights: 11.5/17 (#1t)
Viewers: 16.80 million (#1)
A18-49: 6.9/17 (#1)

Criminal Minds (CBS)
Overnights: 11.5/17 (1t)
Viewers: 16.59 million (#2)
A18-49: 4.4/11 (#2)

Criminal Minds, of course, is up by double-digit percentages year-to-year, while Lost is just the opposite. As for last night’s episode of Lost, all I can say is it was one of the best I have ever seen. Too bad, again, that ABC is making the mistake of taking it off for three months in place of upcoming drama Day Break, which debuts on Nov. 15….”

• Source: Nielsen Media Research data
http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

I just saw that movie again recently, even in HD Nancy Allen ruins it for me, but I always enjoy seeing Michael Paré as Eddie in "Eddie and the Cruisers" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085475/).

If you're referring to the movie "The Philadelphia Experiment", I never saw it. I just know it had a lot to do with intense magnetism and I googled it. I read the "alleged" first hand accounts of what happened, which were supposedly debunked by investigators, but a very entertaining read nonetheless. I love that kind of stuff.

If the island has healing powers, why is there an issue with the tumor?

Maybe the healing powrs are actually accelerated growth/ repair.

Nerve tissue does not normally regenerate and therefore spinal cord injuries do not heal well enough to give back motor or sensory function. If the island can get damaged tissue to repair iestlf by switching on repair genes then it could cause normal tissue to have accelerated growth which when it gets out of control is a tumor or cancer.

X-rays are always labelled with either an R for right or L for left. It is just standard operating procedure.

Juliette acknowleding that she is a fertility doctor dates her to hav been trained at most as far back as the early 1980s as that is when that particular field was really born.

Could be his head is distorted by the surveillance camera lens or something.

Some of the equipment behind him looks very Swan-ish. Either the Swan didn't totally implode all the way, or this is a hatch we haven't seen yet.

[QUOTE=sleeks
... That is why he knew that Sawyer likes/loves Kate since he heard the entire exchange and knew that Sawyer didn't tell her about the pacemaker. Ben/the others now know that they can use Kate to keep Sawyer in line, which is why he told him that there really wasn't a pacemaker.[/QUOTE]

And a couple of other earlier comments about how Sawyer's beating brought out Kate's true feelings for him. Hogwash! I think Kate is still not sure what place he has in her heart but she cowed to the beating and just to get it to stop, agreed to the beater's demands to say sher loved him. I don't know how the beater could have taken it any other way. :rolleyes: IMO, Sawyer is the one that is truly in love.

This episode brought out the fact that each of them, Sawyer and Kate, are not the cold-blooded, ruthless criminals they may have been made out to be in earlier backstories. Each of them has a very compassionate side.

Would someone explain to me why the polar bear cage has a warning audio track in English? Do polar bears speak English?

The cap of the "one-eyed alien" shows me a very human head with an eye patch. YMMV.

Could be his head is distorted by the surveillance camera lens or something.

Some of the equipment behind him looks very Swan-ish. Either the Swan didn't totally implode all the way, or this is a hatch we haven't seen yet.

No, this is the Hydra station on the small island. All of the Dharma stations were built around the same time, so it's not unusual that they would have the same basic equipment, especially with regard to surveillance systems which were part of the basic infrastructure when the stations were built. The smaller pieces of equipment (the watch, washing machines, etc.) have been updated, obviously, and we know these Others have contact with the outside world. Those things could be easily transported in. Those old monitors are the same as those in the Pearl station.

Would someone explain to me why the polar bear cage has a warning audio track in English? Do polar bears speak English?

No, they don't. Neither do we speak Bear. So, there. ;)

Would someone explain to me why the polar bear cage has a warning audio track in English? Do polar bears speak English?

They cant speak it, but any animal is trained in whatever language the trainer speaks. Dogs cant speak english, but when you say "Sit" and "Stay", they do it... And since the trainer of the bears probably speaks english, the warning would be in english for them.

<<Could be his head is distorted by the surveillance camera lens or something.>>
Aren't most surveillance cameras a little fish-eyed, so they can see more area of the room? This would make sense then that any object, or human face, up close to it would look distorted, bigger in proportion to the rest of their body. Off to the side of the camera's "view", the face should look really wide and stretched.

For those of you who have never been to a zoo or watched the Discovery channel: polar bears can swim. ;)




Um yes, that's why I said so in my post. My question was whether they escaped and swam over on their own or if they were released there by the Dharma crew or the current others.

Plus, they're likely smartbears or somehow otherwise modified to be more intelligent. I mean, why stick them in the cages to do intelligence tests otherwise unless you were expecting them to be able to learn fast and figure it out?

No, this is the Hydra station on the small island. All of the Dharma stations were built around the same time, so it's not unusual that they would have the same basic equipment, especially with regard to surveillance systems which were part of the basic infrastructure when the stations were built. The smaller pieces of equipment (the watch, washing machines, etc.) have been updated, obviously, and we know these Others have contact with the outside world. Those things could be easily transported in. Those old monitors are the same as those in the Pearl station.

Are you saying you think Mr. Eyepatch is in the Hydra, and Locke/Sayid in the Pearl have found a way to view the Hydra station?

It's possible, but what makes you sure about that? Locke/Sayid could simply be tuning in to some other station we haven't seen yet on the main island.

Would someone explain to me why the polar bear cage has a warning audio track in English? Do polar bears speak English?

They won't learn the exact meaning of 'warning' but even the dumbest bear will learn that if they hear that sound something bad will happen. And the bears are smarter than Sawyer, so they probably figured it out quick :-)

When Sawyer was getting his beating from the guy (Pickett?) who just lost his wife (Trixie), did anyone else think that his question to Kate "Do you love him?" was loaded?

Obviously Kate's answer was the right one, but I thought that if Kate answered yes, he would kill Sawyer in in an eye-for-an-eye retaliation sort of thing for losing his loved one. Yes I know this would have upset Ben a great deal, but after all, his wife just died in front of him.

Are you saying you think Mr. Eyepatch is in the Hydra, and Locke/Sayid in the Pearl have found a way to view the Hydra station?

It's possible, but what makes you sure about that? Locke/Sayid could simply be tuning in to some other station we haven't seen yet on the main island.

:D I don't think we know much of anything based on the disjointed previews for next week. Let's wait and see. ;)

We do know that The Pearl seemed to have observation capability for all the other stations on the main island. Now, whether that capability extended out to the Hydra station, and vice versa, that's unknown right now.

Maybe Jack, Kate, and Sawyer were KO'd on before they were put on the sub...

I think I recall back in episode one this season - when Jack wakes up, he notices an injection mark on his arm. So it would make sense that they were drugged.

[QUOTE]And Juliette was trying to get Jack to drink some water because of the drugs they gave him.

For those of you who have never been to a zoo or watched the Discovery channel: polar bears can swim. ;)

Also, I'm surprised nobody mentioned the very new heart rate monitor that they gave Sawyer. Obviously they have access to new technology, not just the 1970s junk they are using for watching the Losties.


That was obvious back to episode 1 of this season.when she played music on a cd player(early 80's debut), a tv with a remote control(controls started their popularity in the mid eighties) and no big channel changing knobs on the TV(Knobs ended in the early 80's). Never mind the up to date info they had on Jack. They got this somehow. Earlier theories have them having faxes and newer computers.

I don't know about anyone else, but watching the first part of the show made me angry. A show like this one is not supposed to make you angry. I am truly sick of the torture the three captive are undergoing. Cut this crap and advance the plot.

I'm in total agreement here. I can't see any way in which the Others are as good as they claim they are. "We're the good guys", my foot!

And a couple of other earlier comments about how Sawyer's beating brought out Kate's true feelings for him. Hogwash! I think Kate is still not sure what place he has in her heart but she cowed to the beating and just to get it to stop, agreed to the beater's demands to say sher loved him. I don't know how the beater could have taken it any other way. :rolleyes: IMO, Sawyer is the one that is truly in love.

This episode brought out the fact that each of them, Sawyer and Kate, are not the cold-blooded, ruthless criminals they may have been made out to be in earlier backstories. Each of them has a very compassionate side.
Kate's stories have shown she is a bad ass, but never ruthless. All of her actions were done for love. It was just a downhill slope for her after her first act of love. Father in Law died by a tragic gas leak, She Loved her mother who was getting abused by this man she sets up insurance account so her mother will be taken care of till she dies. That is for Love not ruthless behavior, If she stabbed him 10-15 times that would be ruthless. Then it goes downhill from therefor her. What exactly do you think was that ruthless of a deed?
Sawyer on the other that is a totally different story.

Maybe the healing powrs are actually accelerated growth/ repair.

Nerve tissue does not normally regenerate and therefore spinal cord injuries do not heal well enough to give back motor or sensory function. If the island can get damaged tissue to repair iestlf by switching on repair genes then it could cause normal tissue to have accelerated growth which when it gets out of control is a tumor or cancer.



Under this premise, how does that reconcile with Rose's cancer being healed? She and Locke had the conversation last year I believe.

That was obvious back to episode 1 of this season.when she played music on a cd player(early 80's debut), a tv with a remote control(controls started their popularity in the mid eighties) and no big channel changing knobs on the TV(Knobs ended in the early 80's). Never mind the up to date info they had on Jack. They got this somehow. Earlier theories have them having faxes and newer computers.

But this is the first technology that we've seen from this decade. This shows that they are keeping up to date (not just through the 80's).

There have been lots of theories that have been proven false. I was just pointing out that this theory has been proven correct.

Um yes, that's why I said so in my post. My question was whether they escaped and swam over on their own or if they were released there by the Dharma crew or the current others.

Sorry for being a smart-a**. I had just driven to work through tons of nasty snow and found out that my wife and kids are home without power. :mad:

I did include a smiley though. :o

I'm going to throw it out there and say the guy with a patch on his eye is going to be either a red-herring to throw fans off the trail...or it will not be what we are expecting (i.e.: some old Dharma survival stuck in another hatch)...possible explanations: someone's dream or an old TV show....I just can't see them going totally off-the-wall by having an alien on the show....if that happens, I'll proclaim that Lost has officially jumped the shark...

As for the tumor, Ben doesn't look too sick so it appears the Island's healing affects are working...

Where'd all the "alien" speculation come from? :confused:

There's a shot of a man with an eye patch looking at the security camera, then he reaches up to cover or grab the lens (with a human hand). Nothing alien about him.

I'm going to throw it out there and say the guy with a patch on his eye is going to be either a red-herring to throw fans off the trail...or it will not be what we are expecting (i.e.: some old Dharma survival stuck in another hatch)...possible explanations: someone's dream or an old TV show....I just can't see them going totally off-the-wall by having an alien on the show....if that happens, I'll proclaim that Lost has officially jumped the shark...

As for the tumor, Ben doesn't look too sick so it appears the Island's healing affects are working...
He is sick, sick in the head!! That Crazy Bastard!!! H e does have issues, Good Guys MY A#$! I thnk you are right it wion't be what we expect but it defiantly made the others react.

I still enjoy this show very much and will continue to watch it until it is cancelled (not much longer now). You are kidding right? I guess we now know why you are not a network executive... seeing as how LOST was ABC's #4 show last week (#10 for all shows) and attracts the most desirable viewers for advertisers. Also interesting to note, if it were on another network it would have ranked third for CBS (behind a couple CSI) and second for NBC (an ep of Deal or no deal). Perhaps those two will create a small bidding war to pick up LOST when ABC cancels it ;).

The "guy in the monitor" is clearly not an alien! Aliens don't wear eye patches :D. Look at the pic..... I viewed it several times last night right after it played and at first it looks like that but in slo mo or still it's clearly a normal looking guy with a patch.


ron

I don't want to sound like one of the obnoxious Lost complainers, but they're sure dumping a lot of new plot devices on us and the season has only just started.

The Others have a modern village (coined "Otherville" by some fans) in a valley (or crater), Or maybe more than one.

They have their own island. Didn't Rousseau's maps show other smaller islands as well a coral reefs? Seems like she would have discovered the other island if anyone had.

They have a submarine (why not a boat?).

Benry may have been there his whole life (or not, liar). Did the crash of the Black Rock put people on the island?

Desmond can see into the future.

Locke can talk to dead people who tell him stuff he doesn't already know.

Anything else I've missed? I guess we won't have time to figure out the other hatches or be visited by Lostzilla.

I thought there has already a fellow shown with an eye-patch - in one of the scenes with various/assorted [extra] "others"?

v/r,
C-F

Where'd all the "alien" speculation come from? :confused:

There's a shot of a man with an eye patch looking at the security camera, then he reaches up to cover or grab the lens (with a human hand). Nothing alien about him.
Had I not tivo'd the show and gone back I would have also seen a possible "alien" of the "grey" variety with two big black eyes, long face and small nose and mouth. But, since I tivo'd it I went back and slow mo'd it and saw the patch. However, I think they intentionally made it look that way for the alien angle.

Kate's stories have shown she is a bad ass, but never ruthless. All of her actions were done for love. It was just a downhill slope for her after her first act of love. Father in Law died by a tragic gas leak, She Loved her mother who was getting abused by this man she sets up insurance account so her mother will be taken care of till she dies. That is for Love not ruthless behavior, If she stabbed him 10-15 times that would be ruthless. Then it goes downhill from therefor her. What exactly do you think was that ruthless of a deed?
Sawyer on the other that is a totally different story.

Dude, it wasn't a tragic gasleak. She murdered him.

I suppose they could have hooded them, brought up the sub, loaded them on the sub, brought them to the island, dropped them off, and JKS may have just thought that they moved from one part of the island to the other. But I would think, having boarded a sea-faring vessel, that I actually left the island. It would not seem that big of a shock to be on a separate island.
If you had known another island existed, otherwise wouldn't you assume they used the sub to take you another part of the island as quickly as possible? Traveling to places around the island by water is a lot safer and quicker than stomping through the jungle. No reason to suspect another island exists.

I don't it's unbelievable that they didn't know the other island existed. The main island is huge and has very mountainous terrain making it hard to see around it. They didn't even know Otherville existed and that's in the middle of a valley and can be seen for miles. Sayid just went up the coast a few miles. The Hydra island appears to be across the opposite side of the main island from where the Losties' main camp is. That's probably why Mr. Friendly told them to stay on their side of the island -- Otherville and Hydra island are on the opposite side.

They have a submarine (why not a boat?).


Spying on the island without interferring?

Maybe the patch guy is Alvar Hanso in another bunker. Maybe he needs the tumor removed. Just a thought. You would think they would eventually tell us where he is.

Where'd all the "alien" speculation come from? :confused:

There's a shot of a man with an eye patch looking at the security camera, then he reaches up to cover or grab the lens (with a human hand). Nothing alien about him.

look back like 5 pages to 12 hours ago :D

Maybe the patch guy is Alvar Hanso in another bunker. Maybe he needs the tumor removed. Just a thought. You would think they would eventually tell us where he is.


He's at his house with Rachel Blake...;)

My favorite line from last night's episode was "Costanza" :)

I thought there has already a fellow shown with an eye-patch - in one of the scenes with various/assorted [extra] "others"?

v/r,
C-F

I figured out who the guy with the eyepatch is....

Cap'n Crunch! :D

Yet another Lost advertising tie-in!

Yeah, his daughter Rachel Blake helped him escape from the others. They were looking at his tumor when he was there but he escaped before Jack could operate. The tumor gives him powers. He is now hiding with or without his daughter in another bunker he now calls home. He has limited access to email from there and can be seen in the security cameras from the Pearl hatch. That sounds about right doesn't it? :)

Dude, it wasn't a tragic gasleak. She murdered him.
I know that, I was being sarcastic about that"accidental" but she did it for love. That is a straight passion kill, Not ruthless. Tha's why I ask if theere is anything ruthless about her flashback. You can not find any. Her ex got killed because of the cops not her. She even told him to get out, he stayed! She is a con women that can be a bad a@$ but ruthless she is not. Ruthless would be cold blooded murder, Sawyer matches up to that better then anyone.

I figured out who the guy with the eyepatch is....

Cap'n Crunch! :D

Yet another Lost advertising tie-in!
Leave the Capt out of this, That is my during LOST snack, hey wait you may be on to something, maybe they are sending subliminal messages for me to eat the crunch and I just do!!

Just an OT aside for you Cap'n Crunch fans...

It was once stated that Cap'n Crunch cereal was actually less nutritious than the box it came in. :D

Just an OT aside for you Cap'n Crunch fans...

It was once stated that Cap'n Crunch cereal was actually less nutritious than the box it came in. :D
Thanks for the info, which I didn't know, but I don't eat it for the nutritional factor, I eat it because it is good. All that sugar at time of night can't be good for a normal healthy person.

Just an OT aside for you Cap'n Crunch fans...

It was once stated that Cap'n Crunch cereal was actually less nutritious than the box it came in. :D

That was proven wrong on Mythbusters although the box did have nutritional value. ;)

Question: Was the guy in jail with Sawyer, the one who stole the $10 million, seen on Lost before? I know that I recognized him, but I can't remember if it was from Lost or a different show...

I know that, I was being sarcastic about that"accidental" but she did it for love. That is a straight passion kill, Not ruthless. Tha's why I ask if theere is anything ruthless about her flashback. You can not find any. Her ex got killed because of the cops not her. She even told him to get out, he stayed! She is a con women that can be a bad a@$ but ruthless she is not. Ruthless would be cold blooded murder, Sawyer matches up to that better then anyone.

I guess we have different ideas of what ruthless means. When I come home drunk and you help me to bed, then turn on the gas and blow me up...that falls under ruthless and coldblooded.

I think it's interesting how attached a lot of fans are to the criminal characters on this show. Actually Jack is attached to them too, but I think now that he is getting a steady dose of cartoons and baseball he may become less island-Jack and more realworld-Jack.

I mean, if these two criminals were running loose around his hometown he would want them locked up in jail, not being his friends.

Being out stuck by themselves on the island has warped some perspectives, but when seen through a more normal perspective then it really isn't so bad I think for the Others to lock them up in jail.

I guess we have different ideas of what ruthless means. When I come home drunk and you help me to bed, then turn on the gas and blow me up...that falls under ruthless and coldblooded.
Yeah but it was a calm and calculated plan to help the one she loved, her mother. This was planned for a while, she had time to take out insurnance on him. This is why I have a problem with the description of her being "ruthless." Do you really think she would have done anything wrong if it wasn't for her love for her mother? That was the begining, that set off a chain of events that ruined this sweet midwestern girl. (it has been so long I don't remeber where she is originally from)

We might as well PM each other because we are going back and forth between Heroes and Lost we probably would have a great conversation. We will continue you this tomorrow Iteki, because now I am running a bit late.

Yeah but it was a calm and calculated plan to help the one she loved, her mother. This was planned for a while, she had time to take out insurnance on him. This is why I have a problem with the description of her being "ruthless." Do you really think she would have done anything wrong if it wasn't for her love for her mother? That was the begining, that set off a chain of events that ruined this sweet midwestern girl. (it has been so long I don't remeber where she is originally from)

We might as well PM each other because we are going back and forth between Heroes and Lost we probably would have a great conversation. We will continue you this tomorrow Iteki, because now I am running a bit late.

The very fact that she planned it out and took out insurance is what MAKES it coldblooded and ruthless :-)

Aliens don't wear eye patches :D.

I love the authority with which this is stated.

I love the authority with which this is stated.

LOL he meant none of the Aliens HE KNEW wear eyepatches. He doesn't speak for all of us. Some of my best alien friends wear eye patches. Don't generalize!! :-)

LOL he meant none of the Aliens HE KNEW wear eyepatches. He doesn't speak for all of us. Some of my best alien friends wear eye patches. Don't generalize!! :-)

Considering how big those gray alien eyes are, that'd have to be a pretty large eye patch. Jumbo size? :D

Question: Was the guy in jail with Sawyer, the one who stole the $10 million, seen on Lost before? I know that I recognized him, but I can't remember if it was from Lost or a different show...

I don't believe the actor (Ian Gomez) has appeared before, but he did play Javier on the J.J. Abrams show Felicity . Greg Grunberg, who played the pilot of Flight 815, also was a regular on Felicity .

...And is now a regular on Heroes. Pretty interesting.

I don't believe the actor (Ian Gomez) has appeared before, but he did play Javier on the J.J. Abrams show Felicity . Greg Grunberg, who played the pilot of Flight 815, also was a regular on Felicity .

not to mention a cast regular on JJ's previous show, Alias...Greg gets around but he's awesome

LOL he meant none of the Aliens HE KNEW wear eyepatches. He doesn't speak for all of us. Some of my best alien friends wear eye patches. Don't generalize!! :-)Yes, you're right. I should have been more specific. None of the aliens I know wear eyepatches. I guess I'm just showing my age... So all the young hip aliens are wearing them these days then? Not because they really need them, but just because they look cool and and all I suppose? I am just so out of the loop now... :(


ron

My favorite line from last night's episode was "Costanza" :)"The advice is free, Mergatroid."

Poor dumb Sawyer; he obviously doesn't know what a pacemaker looks like. And he never even considered that Benry could be lying.

Funny,

I just read this page of posts and realized this is the point I drop off and wait for the next show to where I can read posts about Lost. However, for some reason, I'm in the mood for a bowl of Cap'n Crunch with my One Eyed Mexican friend :D

Had I not tivo'd the show and gone back I would have also seen a possible "alien" of the "grey" variety with two big black eyes, long face and small nose and mouth. But, since I tivo'd it I went back and slow mo'd it and saw the patch. However, I think they intentionally made it look that way for the alien angle.

Forget aliens. Remember the Black Rock. He is obviously a pirate. Aaaaargh!

Ok, so it was a slave ship. Pirates are as good as aliens.

Actually, it just looked like a guy wearing an eyepatch, as seen through a very old black and white camera.

Sorry for being a smart-a**. I had just driven to work through tons of nasty snow and found out that my wife and kids are home without power. :mad:

I did include a smiley though. :o

No worries, I didn't mean to get persnickety either. Hope the power situation works out!

That was obvious back to episode 1 of this season.when she played music on a cd player(early 80's debut), a tv with a remote control(controls started their popularity in the mid eighties) and no big channel changing knobs on the TV(Knobs ended in the early 80's). Never mind the up to date info they had on Jack. They got this somehow. Earlier theories have them having faxes and newer computers.

Going back to the CD in episode 1, the disc looked like it was a DualDisc rather than a regular CD, which puts the media in the 2000s.

Cheers,

How does Danielle Rousseau now fit into this? Is she related to any of the Others? I'm surprised they haven't run into her again. Maybe she's on the small island?

This might also explain the crash of the small plane that carried Eko's "brother". It might have been refueled on the small island, but developed engine problems (maybe sabotaged by the Others?) and crashed on the big island.

But this is the first technology that we've seen from this decade. This shows that they are keeping up to date (not just through the 80's)...Didn't we determine that the washer and dryer in the Swan bunker were Whirlpool Duets, which are fairly "modern"? It seems likely that there could be more than just "food drops" going on at the island, so I wasn't surprised to see a late model heartrate monitor.

Was that view from the one island to the other an actual view in the Hawaiian Islands, or was that a CGI island?

Was that view from the one island to the other an actual view in the Hawaiian Islands, or was that a CGI island?


CGI

My theory on why the Island has healing powers for some but not others has to do with the "monster" on the island as well as the disease they supposedly have to quarantine. The "monster" seems to be a mass of nanobots or similar technology this is also I believe what heals on the island but also is probably what the escaped disease is. They were probably part of the experiment going on on the island and somehow escaped and have since evolved past their original intent. Some still cure illnesses like they were originally intended to while others amassed into a semi conscious "monster" and others have evolved to attack the body therefore creating the disease that effects some on the island. The injections that are supposed to cure or prevent the disease in reality protect the body against any invasion by the nanobots and therefore protect against the ill effects of the nanobots but also don't allow for any of their healing effects either. That is why the losties have healing and the "others" don't. This also would explain future predicting and visions such as the ones Desmond and Locke have since the nanobots probably have an unseen network with eachother throughout the whole Island as well as inside the brain and bodies of all that are infected by them. The Island is in effect semi self aware and connected to everyone on the Island.

The "alien" stuff came from the previews of next week's show. What appeared in a black and white monitor (to me and other viewers) to be an alien with 2 huge eyes gave way to reveal a man with an eyepatch walking into camera. The eyepatch originally looked like one of the "alien's" eyes, and the man's shoulder/arm originally looked like the "alien's" mouth, chin and neck. Don't know whether this was planned or just a coincidence, but it was spooky. So much for extraterrestrials!

...a tv with a remote control (controls started their popularity in the mid eighties) and no big channel changing knobs on the TV (Knobs ended in the early 80's)...

That "TV" Ben and Julliet have Jack watching actually appears to be an older CRT color monitor (not a receiver) so while it has small knobs for contrast, brightness etc, it therefore has no channel selector or volume control. It is sitting on top of what looks to me like an old Sony BVU-800 U-Matic 3/4 inch VCR, or one of the follow-on Sony models.

The BVU-800 was introduced in 1982, and was distinctive as it was the first "rack mount" semi-pro VCR. It had NO wireless control, but was usually hard wired into racks, and possibly controlled by editing devices or playback automation. I don't know if showing Ben using a remote is a production error, or not. Maybe the director just said "dummy up some old looking TV stuff". Or maybe it will play into the plot eventually, but I doubt it. Just fodder for the techno-lost fans like me.

Also, FWIW the tape that Locke found in Pearl station was a 3/4" U-Matic tape, and the monitor they watched the Dharma instruction video on was in color (!)

The other B/W monitors we've seen in Pearl Station and in Ben's observation room on the other hand look much more ancient, like maybe 60's vintage Conrac's. They are all covered around the edge by a prop bezel so we can't see the frame however, so they could be anything.

The mix of technology on the 2 islands IS interesting, but wth a couple of odd exceptions, like the washer/dryer and the CD player, it all seems to date to the 80's and earlier.

Mike

and how exactly would they get x-rays of Locke's spin? The x-rays had a logo on them. It was an R with two circles in the top right hand corner of the logo. Have we seen that anywhere else?

The same way the know swayer's real name and they had a file on Jack.

I am surprised no one has commented on the way that Jack started the show by using the whole..."I'm starting to think you are just the person who brings me my food" angle with Juliet. It sounded almost word for word the conversation that Henry had with Jack when Henry was being held by the losties...apparantly Sawyer isn't the only one learning from his environment.

I am surprised no one has commented on the way that Jack started the show by using the whole..."I'm starting to think you are just the person who brings me my food" angle with Juliet. It sounded almost word for word the conversation that Henry had with Jack when Henry was being held by the losties...apparently Sawyer isn't the only one learning from his environment.
Yeah, at this point I think Jack is doing a much better job playing Juliet then she is playing him. There is definitely something to exploit about her relationship with Ben as was eluded to in the book club meeting. Jack picked up on some things and is using them very well to get into her head.

Such good stuff! The Others reaction to the eyepatch guy was one of shock and horror--not part of their plan, neither a Lostie nor an Other! So we are getting our first look maybe at a third party, I suspect these are the ones that the Others think of as 'The Bad Guys'.
Two episodes of this stuff and than a long break.
Oh well, better this way then the way it was last year.

ITA. I am getting so sick of this going-nowhere "plot." The Others aren't scary and mysterious any more: they're just cruel and annoying, with no explanation for it. And are we actually supposed to feel sympathy for Juliet and Broken Nose Man? If Jack were actually someone I still liked, he would have told them all to shove it, or maybe release my friends and I'll think about looking at the patient. Just about done with this show. Too bad. I'll keep watching until the hiatus, and then hopefully I'll miss it while it's gone. :(
Yawn.

The "guy in the monitor" is clearly not an alien! Aliens don't wear eye patches :D.
You've never seen Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country?

http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/chang.jpg

I am surprised no one has commented on the way that Jack started the show by using the whole..."I'm starting to think you are just the person who brings me my food" angle with Juliet. It sounded almost word for word the conversation that Henry had with Jack when Henry was being held by the losties...apparantly Sawyer isn't the only one learning from his environment.

And this will probably be followed up by Jack getting to Juliet like Ben got to Locke after playing him off Jack in the Swan Hatch....

Man, how many beatdowns has Sawyer taken in this show? Sayid, Ana, Others....I'm pretty sure there's a couple other asswuppins I'm forgetting.

I think eye-patch guy is Locke in disguise as they go back to that other station. He know's they're probably watching.

There's my dumb theory of the day. :)

Such good stuff! The Others reaction to the eyepatch guy was one of shock and horror--not part of their plan, neither a Lostie nor an Other! So we are getting our first look maybe at a third party, I suspect these are the ones that the Others think of as 'The Bad Guys'.
Two episodes of this stuff and than a long break.
Oh well, better this way then the way it was last year.
I believe it was Nikki, one of the new Losties, that reacted to the eyepatch dude.

And this will probably be followed up by Jack getting to Juliet like Ben got to Locke after playing him off Jack in the Swan Hatch....
That's right...Henry got to Locke not to Jack...how could i have forgotten...i knew the conversation happened, but i got the characters messed up.

How does Danielle Rousseau now fit into this? Is she related to any of the Others? I'm surprised they haven't run into her again. Maybe she's on the small island?

This might also explain the crash of the small plane that carried Eko's "brother". It might have been refueled on the small island, but developed engine problems (maybe sabotaged by the Others?) and crashed on the big island.

How on earth has Rousseau been on the island for 16 years and never, not once, run into any of the others before. Seems a little difficult to believe, unless they really really really hid from her. I mean, it sure didn't take long for the Losties to flush them out...

How on earth has Rousseau been on the island for 16 years and never, not once, run into any of the others before. Seems a little difficult to believe, unless they really really really hid from her. I mean, it sure didn't take long for the Losties to flush them out...


There are several dozen of them...only one of her. They can cover a bit more ground. Plus the Others seem genuinely interested in the Losties and seek them out for kidnapping,etc. They took what they needed from Rousseau and then left her alone.

Which reminds me of the 'sickness' she spoke of that required her to kill her entire team. We still haven't seen that in the Losties and it's been over 2 months for them. Most diseases don't have incubation periods that long, someone should be sick by now. I thought it might have been Charlie, but he seems better.

"Just fodder for the techno-lost fans like me."


Wow Satori84, You aren't kidding I was just making an observation but you got the model and make of the VCR. I am not hating, just being amazed. A little bit further into the story then I prefer to go into. But either way a good catch.

I love these "con" episodes...

Mostly because they always have a neat "twist" to them, but also because the "twist" is revealed within the episode and neatly wrapped up...unlike so many other Lost twists. ;)

Loving the Cap'n Crunch talk too. Is it Friday already?

Man, how many beatdowns has Sawyer taken in this show? Sayid, Ana, Others....I'm pretty sure there's a couple other asswuppins I'm forgetting.

Hurley beat down on him, and Kate gave him a nice punch to the jaw. Oh yeah, he was shot in the arm and had his ear grazed by a bullet! Stun gunned a few times...