Don't forget the jolt for failing the bear IQ test.

For those of you who have never been to a zoo or watched the Discovery channel: polar bears can swim. ;)
Not only that, but they have a well developed sense of smell. IOW, they could have smelled food on the main island and gone looking for it.

Polar bears are also big. It's hard to imagine one fitting very comfortably in Sayer's cage.

- Tom

IIRC, the boar also gave Sawyer a whipping. And the bird gave him a mental head-trip. Nothing boring about his character, which has to make it an enjoyable one to play.

Speaking of eye patches. In the Arrow Station, didn't Eko find a glass eye along with the missing film footage in a bible and the radio?
Perhaps we found the owner of the missing eye?

Polar bears are also big. It's hard to imagine one fitting very comfortably in Sayer's cage.

- Tom
Also, Polar bears don’t eat dry dog food, which came rolling out of the chute Wednesday night along with another fish biscuit. Polar bears wouldn’t live long on a diet like that. However, it is a TV show...

Speaking of eye patches. In the Arrow Station, didn't Eko find a glass eye along with the missing film footage in a bible and the radio?
Perhaps we found the owner of the missing eye?Ah, yes, I think you are right. Didn't remember that!

Polar bears are also big. It's hard to imagine one fitting very comfortably in Sayer's cage.

- Tom

Not only that, but I think it would take at least two polar bears to perform the tasks required to get water/food. Polar bears can't throw something at the lever that's part of the procedure (they'd have to push it down with a paw), and it would take a second one to sit or press down on the pedal while one punched the button (actually, probably 3 would be needed, one for each task!). I can't see how even a super-intelligence-enhanced bear could perform all three tasks required, simultaneously. And I believe Pickett said bears (plural) when taunting Sawyer, did he not?

...I think eye-patch guy is Locke in disguise as they go back to that other station. He know's they're probably watching.


No, no, it's not Locke it's Colonel Tigh. Remember, the Cylons plucked out his eye, and....oops, wrong alien, wrong show.

Not only that, but I think it would take at least two polar bears to perform the tasks required to get water/food. Polar bears can't throw something at the lever that's part of the procedure (they'd have to push it down with a paw), and it would take a second one to sit or press down on the pedal while one punched the button (actually, probably 3 would be needed, one for each task!). I can't see how even a super-intelligence-enhanced bear could perform all three tasks required, simultaneously. And I believe Pickett said bears (plural) when taunting Sawyer, did he not?

How many polar bears have been killed so far, other than the one in Season One?

No, no, it's not Locke it's Colonel Tigh. Remember, the Cylons plucked out his eye, and....oops, wrong alien, wrong show.


ARGGGHHH! You don't expect BSG spoilers in a Lost forum...

Hey, watch it with the BSG spoilers! (I don't know if that was serious or not)

Maybe the cage was for baby polar bears. You figure 3 young polar bears could fit in the cage and be the subjects for experimentation. When they grew up they were released back into the wild to live out thier normal lives ;)

Hey, watch it with the BSG spoilers! (I don't know if that was serious or not)


He was joking...in the show, Tigh had his genitals removed.

You've never seen Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country?

http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/chang.jpgCome on man. You can do better than that. That's not a real alien. It's just some guy dressed up as one in a movie ;). TV/Movie aliens don't count. I do like the way his patch looks like it's attached directly to his skull via rivets or screws though. Nice touch!


ron

Everyone knows that there is only one true alien/pirate:

http://www.worth1000.com/entries/260000/260156PUwt_w.jpg

Speaking of eye patches. In the Arrow Station, didn't Eko find a glass eye along with the missing film footage in a bible and the radio?
Perhaps we found the owner of the missing eye?

Huh, yeah. I had previously linked that to "Dr. Candle" of the orientation videos who seems in at least one of them to only have one good eye/arm. We shall see...

I'm still waiting for some US Army type folks to show up, relating to that knife the tailies had.

Speaking of eye patches. In the Arrow Station, didn't Eko find a glass eye along with the missing film footage in a bible and the radio?
Perhaps we found the owner of the missing eye?
Good one, now here is a person that has no life but a LOST life(not an insult), a lot of free time or a very VERY good memory, That was such a small part of that scene. Now that you mentioned it I remember the Bible which ends up very important and the radio which help Hurley and Said listen to music.(which will come into the story at sometime)
You see the writers are looking back at old episodes to keep the continuity together. I would have never thought about that. Good catch.

Everyone knows that there is only one true alien/pirate:

http://www.worth1000.com/entries/260000/260156PUwt_w.jpg
who? the picture didn't come out

Good one, now here is a person that has no life but a LOST life(not an insult), a lot of free time or a very VERY good memory, That was such a small part of that scene. Now that you mentioned it I remember the Bible which ends up very important and the radio which help Hurley and Said listen to music.(which will come into the story at sometime)
You see the writers are looking back at old episodes to keep the continuity together. I would have never thought about that. Good catch.

This kinds of shocks me. How did you NOT remember the glass eye?

totally forgot, I have other questions on my list that I am waiting to be answered or just be addressed upon again as most of us should have. It just seemed like one of those things the writers will get into to it when the story develops. I guess the story has developed to the point that the glass eye will be an issue.

who? the picture didn't come out

The picture is there...are you at work? They might be blocking images from that site (worth1000.com).

totally forgot, I have other questions on my list that I am waiting to be answered or just be addressed upon again as most of us should have. It just seemed like one of those things the writers will get into to it when the story develops. I guess the story has developed to the point that the glass eye will be an issue.

I hear you... There are a ton of little things that I am afraid will never be answered. It seems they make such a big deal of out of something at one point, and then completely forget about it later on.

The picture is there...are you at work? They might be blocking images from that site (worth1000.com).

Don't see anything either... I'm at home...

Don't see anything either...

No pic, not even a placeholder or link.

He was joking...in the show, Tigh had his genitals removed.

Right, and they were given/attached to Starbuck, finally allowing her to do the one thing she can't do.

I hear you... There are a ton of little things that I am afraid will never be answered. It seems they make such a big deal of out of something at one point, and then completely forget about it later on.

It's exactly what happened to the X-Files. It just took 5 or 6 years for them to reach that point. And it's exactly what I was afraid might happen to Lost, since the first season. They reached unexpected success, and I think it's clear they have no real idea of where exactly they want to take this thing. They didn't execpt to have to write this much, and now they're starting to make it up as they go.

Didn't I read somewhere that they had an ending ready a year or so back in case the show got cancelled?

No pic, not even a placeholder or link.
It actually is in the HTML code:
Linky (http://www.worth1000.com/entries/260000/260156PUwt_w.jpg)

No pic, not even a placeholder or link.

Strange, I can see it fine...here is the url to the pic (the joke has kind of lost it's luster, after all of this).

http://www.worth1000.com/entries/260000/260156PUwt_w.jpg

You've never seen Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country?

http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/chang.jpg
Come on man. You can do better than that. That's not a real alien. It's just some guy dressed up as one in a movie ;).
What?!?!

Klingons aren't real??? :eek:

I do like the way his patch looks like it's attached directly to his skull via rivets or screws though. Nice touch!
Nothing says "bad-ass" quite like having an eyepatch riveted directly to your skull!

~Dan

Surprised nobody mentioned the apparent fight between Eko and Locke in the promo. Eko has a knife to Locke's throat and then an arrow or something looks to either hit Eko in the eye or at least just miss him. You then don't see Eko in the shots of the Swan. I have a feeling something serious is going to happen to Eko or perhaps another red herring in the promo from a future episode.

It's exactly what happened to the X-Files. It just took 5 or 6 years for them to reach that point. And it's exactly what I was afraid might happen to Lost, since the first season. They reached unexpected success, and I think it's clear they have no real idea of where exactly they want to take this thing. They didn't execpt to have to write this much, and now they're starting to make it up as they go.



I don't think this show is on an X-Files trajectory at all. There are a number of small details that happened in Season 1 that have relevance in Season 2, and possibly even here in Season 3. The producers have said that they have this thing masterplanned out to a proper finish, however long that may be. I'm sure they're good enough at this business to tweak the timing as required - whether they get 5 seasons or 7, 8 etc. (although I'd hate to see that). I see no reason to doubt them. This, most definitely, is not '24' where the producers actually do fly by the seat of their pants, usually writing only 5 or 6 episodes ahead of the air date. They don't do that on this show. They've built a ridiculously complicated mythology and they're following their script. Rest assured, on LOST, they're not winging it.

Surprised nobody mentioned the apparent fight between Eko and Locke in the promo. Eko has a knife to Locke's throat and then an arrow or something looks to either hit Eko in the eye or at least just miss him. You then don't see Eko in the shots of the Swan. I have a feeling something serious is going to happen to Eko or perhaps another red herring in the promo from a future episode.

I fear for Eko...he got that DUI after all...and the Producers haven't been kind to those who have.

If they DO ax Eko, how dumb are they? They went to all that trouble to kill Boone and Shannon, and introduce 4 new regulars: Eko, Ana, Libby, and Bernard. Now if they kill Eko, there will be 3 of the 4 dead, and Bernard has yet to be seen. And now they introduce the 2 newbies to the mix...when they could have stuck to the original Losties in the first place.

Ah well.....

Nothing says "bad-ass" quite like having an eyepatch riveted directly to your skull!

~Dan

Well, he is a Klingon after all.

Nothing says "bad-ass" quite like having an eyepatch riveted directly to your skull!

~Dan
Doesn’t it seem kinda odd you have the ability to “go where no man has gone before,” yet you still need to wear an eye patch - and it requires rivets? ;)

Doesn’t it seem kinda odd you have the ability to “go where no man has gone before,” yet you still need to wear an eye patch - and it requires rivets? ;)

Clearly, you don't know any Klingons. They can't be bothered with such trivialities when 95% of their budget goes to weapons and the military. Our leaders could only hope for a breakdown like that (but they're working on it; give 'em time). ;)

The picture is there...are you at work? They might be blocking images from that site (worth1000.com).

I can't see it either.

PS: Can't open the URL either.

Doesn’t it seem kinda odd you have the ability to “go where no man has gone before,” yet you still need to wear an eye patch - and it requires rivets? ;)
Hey, the 23rd/24th Century isn't that far evolved...they never could get Jean Luc's hair to regrow... :D

Is it possible that since they took x-rays of Sawyer that the tumor is his. Because doesnt Jack say in the previews the xray is of a approx. a 40 year old man. Earlier when Ben asks Sawyer his age he lies (32) then says 35. why would he lie about his age seemed like it was a little out of place(lying about his age) maybe his actually closer to 40.
Then again since they really did not put in the pacemaker maybe they did not even xray him.

Jake

I can't see it either.
...
PS: Can't open the URL either.
Shows up great for me...

Check your antivirus/popup/ad-blocker. Some ad-blockers will mistakenly block third-party picture links, even though they're not ads...

~Dan

...They've built a ridiculously complicated mythology and they're following their script. Rest assured, on LOST, they're not winging it.How do you know this? You must have inside information or something, because it sure doesn't make sense to me that they could script the pacing of this thing without knowing ahead of time how many episodes they were going to be given.

My guess would be that the original "script" they are following would be incredibly general in nature - almost mission statement-esque - with great liberty on an episode-to-episode basis as long as they stay true to the original premises and already-aired details.

It's becoming increasingly common for "stories" to be told without tying up many of the loose ends, often the ones keeping the viewers hanging around to see resolved. It's frustrating as a viewer but people still come back for more so why not? I'm sure they care far less about how they're going to tie a bow around everything than they do about keeping us panting for more.

Shows up great for me...

Check your antivirus/popup/ad-blocker. Some ad-blockers will mistakenly block third-party picture links, even though they're not ads...

~Dan
Curiously, I couldn't open this link in Firefox 2.0 (Windows), but IE 6 opened it just fine. And yes, I had AdBlocker/etc turned off. Weird.

Doesn’t it seem kinda odd you have the ability to “go where no man has gone before,” yet you still need to wear an eye patch - and it requires rivets? ;)*Warf voice*

" Todåy is å gøød dåy tø løse ån e¥e!"

Good one, now here is a person that has no life but a LOST life(not an insult), a lot of free time or a very VERY good memory, That was such a small part of that scene. Now that you mentioned it I remember the Bible which ends up very important and the radio which help Hurley and Said listen to music.(which will come into the story at sometime)
You see the writers are looking back at old episodes to keep the continuity together. I would have never thought about that. Good catch.

I guess it's good memory because my free time went out the window after family life started. I tried to follow some of the Lost forums and this is the only thread I have time for. I recalled that moment because I thought the eye was just really crazy.

I guess it's good memory because my free time went out the window after family life started. I tried to follow some of the Lost forums and this is the only thread I have time for. I recalled that moment because I thought the eye was just really crazy.Actually, do I not remember conjecture that the glass eye may have belonged to the the asian guy (do not remember his name) that narrated the "training videos"? Seems like people thought he had an artificial eye in one of the videos or something...


ron

Is it possible that since they took x-rays of Sawyer that the tumor is his. Because doesnt Jack say in the previews the xray is of a approx. a 40 year old man. Earlier when Ben asks Sawyer his age he lies (32) then says 35. why would he lie about his age seemed like it was a little out of place(lying about his age) maybe his actually closer to 40.
Then again since they really did not put in the pacemaker maybe they did not even xray him.

Jake


maybe it is sawyer's x-ray and somehow benry knew about it and decided that Jack needed to operate on him....

Maybe the fertility doctor chick sent the nanobots to fix up the korean chic's stuff....

So they are heeling everyone. THink kate has some fertility issues that need a closer look? :eek: :D


wow- making up crazy speculation IF fun :D

No.

Does this show remind anyone else of the computer game
Myst or Riven?

I can't see it either.rehosted on imageshack:

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1483/alienssf6.jpg

Nothing says "bad-ass" quite like having an eyepatch riveted directly to your skull!Maybe he just has 3 Neodymium magnets inserted under his skin.

the glass eye may have belonged to the the asian guy (do not remember his name) that narrated the "training videos"? Seems like people thought he had an artificial eye in one of the videos or something...Dr. Waxman

maybe it is sawyer's x-ray and somehow benry knew about it and decided that Jack needed to operate on him....

Maybe the fertility doctor chick sent the nanobots to fix up the korean chic's stuff....

So they are heeling everyone. THink kate has some fertility issues that need a closer look? :eek: :D


wow- making up crazy speculation IF fun :D

I strongly got the impression that they were Benry's X-Rays

Dr. Waxman

And Dr. Marvin Candle

Wouldn't it be cool if the Darma people, who apparently had abandoned the island, were still there observing the facilities? :cool:

Originally Posted by Innova
Question: Was the guy in jail with Sawyer, the one who stole the $10 million, seen on Lost before? I know that I recognized him, but I can't remember if it was from Lost or a different show...


I think he was a regular in THE DREW CAREY show as well.

I strongly got the impression that they were Benry's X-Rays

I think that's correct. Maybe it just cropped up over the last 2 months since they abandoned (?) "Otherville" and moved back to the small island. He's now away from the big island's healing power and the tumor has had a chance to grow.

Didn't anyont like my theory? I'm suprised no one had any comments on it.. oh well!

Didn't anyont like my theory? I'm suprised no one had any comments on it.. oh well!

Your "all nanobot" theory is a fine example of critical thinking, young man. Only time will tell if the producers share your brilliant insight into formulating the LOST version of the Unified Field Theory.







How's that? :D

Originally Posted by Innova
Question: Was the guy in jail with Sawyer, the one who stole the $10 million, seen on Lost before? I know that I recognized him, but I can't remember if it was from Lost or a different show...


I think he was a regular in THE DREW CAREY show as well.

I don't think he was on before.

Yes, he's from the Drew Carey show and was on Jake in Progress recently (not that I admit to watching that).

I strongly got the impression that they were Benry's X-Rays
I just saw coming attractions during the football game, and those X-rays belong to...

I just saw coming attractions during the football game, and those X-rays belong to...

Jimmy Hoffa? :eek:

Didn't anyont like my theory? I'm suprised no one had any comments on it.. oh well!

TPTB have specifically shot down the nanobot theory on multiple occasions. I used to like the idea, but have given up on it.

Didn't anyont like my theory? I'm suprised no one had any comments on it.. oh well!

Here is a link to the Wikipedia reference on debunked theories:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_%28TV_series%29#Discredited_theories

Personally, the cover of the novel Prey looks so much like the island monster, I can't wait to see how the writers explain why it isn't a nanobot swarm.

Originally Posted by Innova
Question: Was the guy in jail with Sawyer, the one who stole the $10 million, seen on Lost before? I know that I recognized him, but I can't remember if it was from Lost or a different show...


I think he was a regular in THE DREW CAREY show as well.He was also Nikki Cox's love interest on the Norm McDonald show several years ago.

I'm guessing the others want kaye and sawyer to mate. what do they want with jack? get down with baby doc?

the chick requested jack to fix the dudes spine, where you been?

Wouldn't it be cool if the Darma people, who apparently had abandoned the island, were still there observing the facilities? :cool:

Revealed in the first episode of season 4. ;)

We'll get Hanso in the last season's premiere. :D

I fear for Eko...he got that DUI after all...and the Producers haven't been kind to those who have.

If they DO ax Eko, how dumb are they? They went to all that trouble to kill Boone and Shannon, and introduce 4 new regulars: Eko, Ana, Libby, and Bernard. Now if they kill Eko, there will be 3 of the 4 dead, and Bernard has yet to be seen. And now they introduce the 2 newbies to the mix...when they could have stuck to the original Losties in the first place.

Ah well.....
At least Bernanrd got a flasback episode. Libby got nothing, just a promise to be in more flashbacks this season.

I don't think he was on before.

Yes, he's from the Drew Carey show and was on Jake in Progress recently (not that I admit to watching that).
which one Jake or drew?

At least Bernanrd got a flasback episode. Libby got nothing, just a promise to be in more flashbacks this season.

I agree if these Eko also gets killed the tail section served no purpose than to just drag out the life of this show.

I think I figured out the secret to ratings success. For two years, everyone has wanted a mega-hit like Lost. Last year the networks figured it needs to be a one-word titled SciFi show and we got Threshold, Surface and Invasion...all tanked. This year they all shot for any genre serial and only a handful stuck with the one-word titles. After looking at this year's hits and misses, it appears that you need a 3 vowel, one-word title serial - and one of the vowels must be an "O" (presumably representing the lone vowel in Lost). So we get this year's hits Heroes and Jericho. Misses are Vanished, The Nine, Kidnapped, Runaway, Smith, Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip and Friday Night Lights.

That means if ABC had titled the best of last year's crop: N-vasion, we'd still be watching it now. And sadly, if NBC had simply titled their most hyped show: Studio, it would have been a sure hit instead of fighting for its survival. :)

Stu-stu-studio!

(apologies to Phil Collins)

That means if ABC had titled the best of last year's crop: N-vasion, we'd still be watching it now. And sadly, if NBC had simply titled their most hyped show: Studio, it would have been a sure hit instead of fighting for its survival. :)

The sad part is the ratings for The Nine are worse than what Invasion was doing. They should have stuck with it.

I think I figured out the secret to ratings success. For two years, everyone has wanted a mega-hit like Lost. Last year the networks figured it needs to be a one-word titled SciFi show and we got Threshold, Surface and Invasion...all tanked. This year they all shot for any genre serial and only a handful stuck with the one-word titles. After looking at this year's hits and misses, it appears that you need a 3 vowel, one-word title serial - and one of the vowels must be an "O" (presumably representing the lone vowel in Lost). So we get this year's hits Heroes and Jericho. Misses are Vanished, The Nine, Kidnapped, Runaway, Smith, Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip and Friday Night Lights.

That means if ABC had titled the best of last year's crop: N-vasion, we'd still be watching it now. And sadly, if NBC had simply titled their most hyped show: Studio, it would have been a sure hit instead of fighting for its survival. :)



I read a SERIOUS article a while back that all the big monster shows have one word titles. If I recall they even implied that NBC picked their thursday night sitcoms with that in mind at one point. Think Cheers and Friends in the case of NBC dominating thursdays for all those years. Seinfeld and Survivor too i guess...

Maybe people are too busy, stupid, whatever to remember the long named shows... (maybe they thinkg E R is pronounced "err"..

I read a SERIOUS article a while back that all the big monster shows have one word titles. If I recall they even implied that NBC picked their thursday night sitcoms with that in mind at one point. Think Cheers and Friends in the case of NBC dominating thursdays for all those years. Seinfeld and Survivor too i guess...

Then that is one SERIOUSLY simplistic article.

Culture watchers say a constellation of factors make a TV program last: great writers, producers and actors; a good concept; room to grow with a strong ensemble cast offering multiple story lines; a desirable time slot; audience comfort; loyal network support; and the public's fickle taste -- the wild card.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/TV/10/06/sprj.caf03.staying.power/

Look at This (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/1401AP_Nielsens_List.html) list of current shows to dispel the one word hit theory.

And the Top 50 Shows of All Time. (http://www.ez-entertainment.net/features/tvguide50.htm)

Then that is one SERIOUSLY simplistic article.



http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/TV/10/06/sprj.caf03.staying.power/

Look at This (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/1401AP_Nielsens_List.html) list of current shows to dispel the one word hit theory.

And the Top 50 Shows of All Time. (http://www.ez-entertainment.net/features/tvguide50.htm)


i didn't write it.

Nor do i necessarily agree.

I just thought it funny that someone would put that in print without it being a joke- so i thought i would share.

But I don think show names are generally kept short to make it easier to sell, talk about, whatever.

I actually think the article brought it up talking about that show a while back called "two guys, a girl, and a pizza place" and they shortened up the name to "two guys and a girl" in the hopes of getting more ratings.

i didn't write it.

I know, Michael, and I didn’t mean to be critical of you – a winkie should have followed my post. :o

life is good!

I think what this show needs is a guest appearance from Jack Bauer. He'd ticklefight the others, make a 747 out of palm trees, and bomb the Iraqis on their way back to America. Damn that'd be sweet.

In all seriousness, we are quite lucky 'Lost' made it as well as it has. It had to walk a very careful line with the 'weird stuff' aspect. Generally speaking, the majority doesn't like supernatural themed stuff unless you trick them into it somehow. Scifi stuff has an audience, don't get me wrong, but for primetime USA it's normally all about legal/medical shows. Slowly but surely we are making inroads, especially with women,IMHO.
It's good to see shows like 'Heroes' and 'Battlestar Galactica' doing pretty well, along with 'Lost'.

In all seriousness, we are quite lucky 'Lost' made it as well as it has. It had to walk a very careful line with the 'weird stuff' aspect. Generally speaking, the majority doesn't like supernatural themed stuff unless you trick them into it somehow. Scifi stuff has an audience, don't get me wrong, but for primetime USA it's normally all about legal/medical shows. Slowly but surely we are making inroads, especially with women,IMHO.
It's good to see shows like 'Heroes' and 'Battlestar Galactica' doing pretty well, along with 'Lost'.

The fact that my mom watches Lost definitely lends credence to your statements...

In all seriousness, we are quite lucky 'Lost' made it as well as it has. It had to walk a very careful line with the 'weird stuff' aspect. Generally speaking, the majority doesn't like supernatural themed stuff unless you trick them into it somehow. Scifi stuff has an audience, don't get me wrong, but for primetime USA it's normally all about legal/medical shows. Slowly but surely we are making inroads, especially with women,IMHO.
It's good to see shows like 'Heroes' and 'Battlestar Galactica' doing pretty well, along with 'Lost'.
That's because the majority aren't that intelligent. There is a reason why the newspaper is printer at a 3rd grade level. The majority can't comprehend half the stuff that goes on so they watch the biggest loser or so you think you can dance.

That's because the majority aren't that intelligent. There is a reason why the newspaper is printer at a 3rd grade level. The majority can't comprehend half the stuff that goes on so they watch the biggest loser or so you think you can dance.


Not sure I'd agree with you there...the problem isn't intelligence, it's a lack of open minds. The difference may be subtle to some but it makes a huge difference. The very setting that allow shows like Battlestar Galactica to explore issues with such freedom is also what turns off many viewers who automatically dismiss a show with spaceships as childish.

I read a SERIOUS article a while back that all the big monster shows have one word titles. If I recall they even implied that NBC picked their thursday night sitcoms with that in mind at one point. Think Cheers and Friends in the case of NBC dominating thursdays for all those years. Seinfeld and Survivor too i guess...

Maybe people are too busy, stupid, whatever to remember the long named shows... (maybe they thinkg E R is pronounced "err"..

there's something to that. at least sitcoms with cutesy long names don't last.


it's like, you know (anybody remembers that?)
emily's reasons why not (even ms. hotness heather graham couldn't save the show).
8 simple rules for doing my daughter (shortened to 8 simple rules, but that didn't save them; okay, losing john ritter didn' help, but don't muddle my thesis with facts).
how i met my mother (this can't last past this season)

Moral: don't make people go huh? otoh, don't describe your show's premise in the title.

No it's so they can shut off their brain from whatever they were doing all day. At least give them some credit for watching dancing with the stars there is some "bounceage" in that show... I would imagine that reading about how smart something is would be an automatic turn off and then someone saying so and so is a $%$#$ moron because they don't watch whatever would just inflame the situation.

I watch Lost because I find it interesting and it looks great in HD especially when wasted. After the first season of Lost I believe there is no grand story I don't believe they know where Lost will end up I really believe they are lying when they say otherwise. Yet I still watch and will watch unless some spectacular suckage occurs or it just gets old like the law & orders and CSIs.

"suckage". Good word!

I watch Lost because I find it interesting and it looks great in HD especially when wasted. After the first season of Lost I believe there is no grand story I don't believe they know where Lost will end up I really believe they are lying when they say otherwise. Yet I still watch and will watch unless some spectacular suckage occurs or it just gets old like the law & orders and CSIs.I think the writers are making it up as they go along... too many open stories... no real answers... and they can't tie it all together.

I'm becoming weary of watching the castaways run around in the jungle where nothing really happens...

"so say we all"

I'm becoming weary of watching the castaways run around in the jungle where nothing really happens...
Perhaps they should take a cue from "Baywatch" and always have the running scenes head on, in minimal dress and in slow motion.

Am I still in the Lost thread?

No wonder this thread is so long. This is why I only read posts up to about 2 days after the show has aired. After that, it's OT stuff until the next show. Uh oh, I just read this thread 7 days later. My fault. :D Will be back tomorrow morning.

The sad part is the ratings for The Nine are worse than what Invasion was doing. They should have stuck with it.
mysteries like this is why we will never understand why networks do what they do. Remeber total ratings aren't the only factor for a show to be renewed or canceled. Invasion had 2 marks against it that we can see(the average consumer). Lead in audience it was losing 50% of the audiance that Lost had and considering LOST usually over ran it's time period that means too many were changing channels. A third place finish nightly. ABC hates to see that. This is a couple of reasons why ABC gives up but there are many more.

Back to the thread on hand, 2 hrs and 10 min more. Two more episodes. I think there is going to be a huge cliffhanger of an ending of season 3 part 1. I expect everyone here will let out a huge F@#$ once that "LOST" credit appears at the end of next week. But that is just me and trying to stay positve about the 13 week layover. At least I don't have to plan my vacation around new episodes during the end of this year.

The sad part is the ratings for The Nine are worse than what Invasion was doing. They should have stuck with it.Threshold, Invasion and Surface were "cheap" rip-offs trying to mimic the success of Lost. These shows basically "sucked" and that's why they got cancelled. The Nine won't be on TV much longer either, because it's boring too.

Right now I'm leaning towards BSG over Lost as the best Sci Fi/Fantasy television program that is currently being produced.

I'll ask once more; ever notice how interesting the show gets when Eko is featured? I really hope they don't kill him off.

I'll ask once more; ever notice how interesting the show gets when Eko is featured? I really hope they don't kill him off.
He isn't leaving anytime so, he is confortable in his room and the villa on the beach that he lives in during the off seson. Don't worry about him, Worry about the newbies, they keep droping like flies


NO NO He can't be dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, do we believe the video or the words?

:(

Damn!

this show is getting evil :(

next episode has some scray stuff in store

Bye bye, Mr Eko. You spoke too soon ;)

It was a slow show until the 57 minute mark when the black smoke monster showed up.

I can't believe that Eko died.

I hope that Jack doesn't trust Juliete or Ben. I think both are playing him.

Next weeks episode looks very good.

Oh Yeah! Awesome episode... but did they say Season Finale?

Yup. Just proves that you don't want to mess with the police in Hawaii, otherwise....

Smokey is one mean SOB.

I really liked Eko. He's gone too soon.

I hope we don't have 2 more characters whose flashbacks we have to sludge through.

We do...

Oh Yeah! Awesome episode... but did they say Season Finale?

Remember, it is going on hiatus until next year. But we do get "Groundhog Day" to watch in the meantime.

i guess they're calling it that.

not another episode until february after that

Numeeeeeeeeeeen!!!!!!

I think they boarded up the altar boy in the church! :eek: :D

Oh Yeah! Awesome episode... but did they say Season Finale?


I replayed it. It said FALL Season Finale. Season 3 will restart in about 3 months. It won't be season 4, still season 3. I had to replay to see the word "FALL"

The sad part is the ratings for The Nine are worse than what Invasion was doing. They should have stuck with it.

I wasn't a big fan of Invasion, but I agree, they should have stuck with it. In fact, if they had another SciFi themed show, I would have thrown that on at 8:00 EST and made a night of it. Sometimes a good block of programming can gather up some critical mass. Too bad that NBC came up with 'Heroes' instead of ABC.
Heroes--Lost--Invasion....might have been quite a good combo.

Dang dang dang dang dang. Not only did I really like Eko, but his death was cheapened (absolutely no surprise behind it) by them saying "someone won't survive" in this week's previews. Why the hell do they do that nonsense? Them saying that, then it being an Eko flashback episode and him being the only one onscreen with 3 minutes left in the episode made it pretty dang clear what was about to happen.

The AL/Libby deaths were so much better because I didn't see them coming, and I didn't even care half as much about their characters so this one should've been that much more of a "holy sh*t" moment, but it was ruined by their previews.

I replayed it. It said FALL Season Finale. Season 3 will restart in about 3 months. It won't be season 4, still season 3. I had to replay to see the word "FALL"

Ok, that makes more sense...sort of. Has anyone ever mentioned that Mr. Eko played Lock-Nah in The Mummy Returns?

I wonder if ole Henry Gale really is the Wizard of Oz and contols/is the black smoke.

- Tom

I wonder if ole Henry Gale really is the Wizard of Oz and contols/is the black smoke.

- Tom

I'm wondering if the dude with the eye patch is the one controlling it...

I'm still shocked that the black smoke monster can pick somebody up and throw him around like a rag doll.

He isn't dead yet, Not until the priest does the last rights, oops he is a preist that can't speak so that wont help,,,,Get Libby she knows some medicine. Never mind bullet in the chest she will not help. Wait wait, get the Dortor, doc jack, mr "I have to save someone." around here. Gee wait the others have caputured THE DOCTOR Oh WHAT TO DO? Let him lie down and keep him comfoftable and lets save ouir friends once and for all. "If you aren't with me you are against me" Sorry wrong show: ,"Live together die alone" Lets get our people : end scene. I can't wait for this week to fly by.

The AL/Libby deaths were so much better because I didn't see them coming, and I didn't even care half as much about their characters so this one should've been that much more of a "holy sh*t" moment, but it was ruined by their previews.

It was a "holy sh*t" moment for me. Actually more of a "holy father sh*t" momen. :p

Season one Grabbed and killed pilot and left himn fro daed in the trees. after he used the body to bang thr plain like a drum
season one also: Locke is grabbed by his leg and dragged into the hold that jack made smaller(bomb)

I'll ask once more; ever notice how interesting the show gets when Eko is featured? I really hope they don't kill him off.

You spoke too soon!

I hope that Jack doesn't trust Juliete or Ben. I think both are playing him.

I think believing her is more plausible if indeed she was married to him, everyone knows ex-wives all would like to see their ex-husbands dead.

...On the other hand, the comment Ben made about her looking like Jack's ex-wife makes me think she may have been chosen (by whatever means) and NOT his ex-wife. Then again, Ben lies...

Also interesting how pretty much the best interaction from Losties/others since their capture came in the episode with about 4 minutes of air-time between the two whereas we've had 3 others with 40 minutes of air time about them.

I hope we don't have 2 more characters whose flashbacks we have to sludge through.

Wanna bet?

I think they boarded up the altar boy in the church! :eek: :D

:eek: :eek: :eek:

(your post struck me as hilarious for some reason, by the way!)

And don't forget the Other's flashbacks ;) I'm pretty sure those will be coming soon...

Wanna bet?

yeah, I know.

A man can hope, can't he?

You spoke too soon!
Season 3 Part 2 begins February 7, 2007. Now we can all go about our normal partying and gift openning with no distractions from anything. After next weeks episode I will see you all in 2008

Interesting to note that Locke described a bright light while Echo saw black smoke. Light and darkness; these folks are being judged...

The scene with the guy with the eyepatch was definitely NOT the one they showed last week in the previews. Absolutely no mistaking an alien this week. Not the first time they've "doctored" things (remember "WE are the survivors of flight 911...?".

Heck of an episode though. Guess we'll be discussing "nanobots" again.

I really liked Eko. He's gone too soon.

I hope we don't have 2 more characters whose flashbacks we have to sludge through.

I saw this coming as soon as it started. They killed one of the best actors and one of the most complex and interesting characters in favor of two new eye candy characters who have been forced so obnoxiously into the main storyline that I hate them already.

Rose and Bernard have been in it for three seasons and the best they get is some peripheral unimportant b-plots. The eye candy have been in barely two episodes and already they are exploring hatches and helping Locke.

This just reaffirms my belief that the introduction of the Tailies was nothing more than a Sweeps stunt. Except for Bernard they've killed them all which leads me to believe they were never that important to the main storyline.

When 24 does it they do it with a sense that the casualties were inevitable. Lost have turned it into a cheap way to ease the writing burden.

Oh yeah and Eko was also arrested last month on a driving violation. So that will really help the writer's case for "only a coincidence."

Threshold, Invasion and Surface were "cheap" rip-offs trying to mimic the success of Lost. These shows basically "sucked" and that's why they got cancelled. The Nine won't be on TV much longer either, because it's boring too.

Right now I'm leaning towards BSG over Lost as the best Sci Fi/Fantasy television program that is currently being produced.

I hate to contribute to the OT stuff, but....I never tried out Surface or Threshold, and I will agree that it was clear off the bat that Invasion was meant to cater to the same audience as Lost - one word name, title scene that is really nothing more than that word floating, hard percussion to the commercial breaks, big sci-fi mystery.

It started out as such, but its direction really diverted from Lost from there. We were left with the same big mystery, not new ones every couple weeks, and we were given answers on a regular basis.

By a quarter way through season 1 the mystery's answer was pretty obvious. A few episodes later we were given a major revelation that slightly changed that. By half-way through season 1 the protagonists had discovered the mystery and by 3 quarters of the way through most everyone else knew as well.

Same type of show yes, but it took a very different path after a few episodes and the production values, music, story and most of the actors were fantastic.

Exactly how many episodes did you watch before you proclaimed that it "sucked"? It held up very good ratings for what it was, and its biggest fault was its openness in being a sci-fi show (the word alien alone probably scared off the majority of J6Ps out there) whereas Lost was able to lure people in before really revealing it had a major sci-fi aspect to it, and by then people were hooked.

...They killed one of the best actors and one of the most complex and interesting characters in favor of two new eye candy characters who have been forced so obnoxiously into the main storyline that I hate them already."

I totally agree with you. Network suits sticking their noses in perhaps?

I think they boarded up the altar boy in the church! :eek: :DThe boy was among the appearent dead that Eko saw (hallucinated?), but I don't recall seeing him die. And I still don't think Yemi (his brother) ever really made it to the island from Nigeria. Eko was well played by the Others.


Here Lies Mr. Eko
He was a bad mothe---shut 'yo mouth!
Rest In Peace

Eko may be dead, but he will still be very active on the island I have a feeling...

I like that Eko didn't show mercy on the drug dealer (the one who bought the machete to the head). It would have been so easy for the writers to have gone the other way with that. By the way, it looked like he really got into that scene!

I think all possibilities of a "reasonable" and "non sci-fi" explanation went out the window when the smoke grabbed eko and started tossing him around.. The producers are full of it.

So this has confirmed that all or we can assume at least most of the apparitions that have cropped up through the series so far are actually the smoke monster assuming various shapes.

From Jack's dad, to Yemi, to Locke's visions, etc. - what is the monster's motivation?

It seemed at one point to want Eko to keep pushing the button in the Swan. But why?

Also, is it connected to the multiple missing corpses (Yemi, Jack's dad)?

By the way - does anyone have some screengrabs of what Mr. Eyepatch was wearing? I thought I might have glimpsed a Dharma logo, and was wondering if it was readable.

I really got a good laugh over Locke including a few of the background characters for once. It's almost like an inside joke, the way it's always the same 'star' characters that have all the adventures, make all the decisions, etc. The rest of the people just hang around, build their huts and eat fruit. Season one had Arzt allude to this, and it really cracks me up to see these outsiders (of sorts) being involved in the high-level Island events.

I also noticed some of the background people talking about Mr.Eko at one point, made me realize that these folk actually seem to know what's going on--which makes it even funnier to me. They know about the adventures, the backstories etc, and still generally they are perpetually out of the action. We need a name for this group, I can't think of a clever one.

Can someone please explain to me how in the episode last season Eko sees the black smoke (nanoparticles) it sees him shows him his past and goes away? Now this season it sees him and has a reason to kill him. I don't buy the "judging" theory that someone had eluded to earlier due to the fact that last season Eko was shown as good and now he's judged as evil? Most of the characters have done bad in the past (Kate)? I'm going to have to call BS on this one. The writers are starting to slowly screw the formula up. They took a likeable character and eliminated him.

Now we have new characters introduced that we know nothing about and are suddenly supposed to believe they are a cohesive part of the group? This is the first episode that has me finally wondering which way this show is headed? As far as Mr Patch someone else mentioned that there are two groups of survivors on the island both originally attached to Dharma. Now if we can just figure out which ones are really the "good" ones?

By the way - does anyone have some screengrabs of what Mr. Eyepatch was wearing? I thought I might have glimpsed a Dharma logo, and was wondering if it was readable.

Yes he had a Dharma patch on. But not enough was seen to identify what station.

I also noticed some of the background people talking about Mr.Eko at one point, made me realize that these folk actually seem to know what's going on--which makes it even funnier to me. They know about the adventures, the backstories etc, and still generally they are perpetually out of the action. We need a name for this group, I can't think of a clever one.

The peanut gallery?

I sure wish they hadn't gone supernatural on us with the black smoke. And when are we going to get another glimpse of the other Others???

Anybody else suspect the real deceiver between Ben and Juliette is Juliette?

Anybody else suspect the real deceiver between Ben and Juliette is Juliette?

Could be that this is a set-up to get Jack to do the surgery, with the intent to "accidentally" have it end in death, but in the middle of the procedure, Jack's conscience would kick in and he would end up saving the toad's life. That would be a masterful manipulation. So far it has become apparent that Ben is capable of such.

-- Rich

I saw this coming as soon as it started. They killed one of the best actors and one of the most complex and interesting characters in favor of two new eye candy characters who have been forced so obnoxiously into the main storyline that I hate them already.

Rose and Bernard have been in it for three seasons and the best they get is some peripheral unimportant b-plots. The eye candy have been in barely two episodes and already they are exploring hatches and helping Locke.


Exactly. Well stated.

Can someone please explain to me how in the episode last season Eko sees the black smoke (nanoparticles) it sees him shows him his past and goes away? Now this season it sees him and has a reason to kill him. I don't buy the "judging" theory that someone had eluded to earlier due to the fact that last season Eko was shown as good and now he's judged as evil? Most of the characters have done bad in the past (Kate)? I'm going to have to call BS on this one. The writers are starting to slowly screw the formula up. They took a likeable character and eliminated him.

Now we have new characters introduced that we know nothing about and are suddenly supposed to believe they are a cohesive part of the group? This is the first episode that has me finally wondering which way this show is headed? As far as Mr Patch someone else mentioned that there are two groups of survivors on the island both originally attached to Dharma. Now if we can just figure out which ones are really the "good" ones?

Well, not that this is the answer, but Eko was given a chance to "repent" for his previous actions but chose not to. It could be the difference between, "I'm sorry for what I have done" versus "I had a reason for everything I did".

Why Smokey gets to be judge, jury and executioner is another story.

I hope we don't have 2 more characters whose flashbacks we have to sludge through.
I don’t think we have to worry about that. I suspect their life expectancy will be very short. :)

Forgive me if this has been suggested before.

Damiem and Carlton indicated in a Lost podcast that we had seen the monster earlier in the season, but didn't know it.

My guess is the monster has appeared as Jack's father, Walt, Kate's horse, Hurley's bird, dead Boone, and perhaps even an Other or a Lostie, perhaps even being "HIM".

Two science fiction classics come to mind, "Forbidden Planet" and "The Day the Earth Stood Still". In the former, the monster is a physical manifestation created by an energy source in response to thoughts of a dillusional Walter Pigeon. In the latter, Gort, the ultimate security system, eliminates evil and aggression.

Perhaps we'll see a backstory about why the monster killed the pilot. Perhaps the vaccine offers protection from the monster. Certainly, Benry has some connection with the monster. Perhaps the monster "defined" who the "good" people were, and they were taken by the Others so they wouldn't be "eliminated".

Anyway, great episode.

I sure wish they hadn't gone supernatural on us with the black smoke. And when are we going to get another glimpse of the other Others???

Anybody else suspect the real deceiver between Ben and Juliette is Juliette?

I would like to think that Juliette is "just a cigar", but I know better.

Excellent episode last night...Eko-centric episodes are always good and this one sure didn't disappointed.

A) The Fall Season Finale: Please do not bitch that we don't get a new episode for 3 months...this is a GOOD THING so we don't have 1-2 episodes and then 1-2 week break...its better that we got 6 now and then the rest in 2007. Anyways, its been public for a few months now that they were doing this, it shouldn't be a surprise.

B) Eko's death...they forshadowed it the ENTIRE episode. But I honestly didn't see it coming either (do not watch the PREVIEWS and COMMERCIALS if you don't want to spoiled).

C) Strange one-eye guy in the unknown hatch...he did have a Dharma logo on his jacket but you can't see what it is...I super-slow-moed i to my DVR and you never get a view of what it is. However, the guy does look like Nathan Fillion!!! :) :) :) At least I think he does...

D) My theory about Jack and the others....I think everything is a setup to break him down, even Ben's tumor and Juliet's affection. Everything is 100% false to lead him to believe that he has to "help" Ben. Admitting to trying to break him was part of trying to break him...

Anyways, I'm loving this season and can't wait to see what happens next week (and then the cliffhanger).

Bye bye, Mr Eko. You spoke too soon ;)

Yeah...I guess drinking and driving SHOULD cost you your job...but I wish they hadn't done that. I'm hearing rumors that the actor who plays Locke was fedup of being in the hatch, no longer a hunter or a leader, and Eko had taken over the wiseman/badass role. That may have been part of it.

So 3 out of 4 of the Tailies are dead...not looking good for Bernard :-)

Oh Yeah! Awesome episode... but did they say Season Finale?


They called it the FALL Season Finale.

Threshold, Invasion and Surface were "cheap" rip-offs trying to mimic the success of Lost. These shows basically "sucked" and that's why they got cancelled. The Nine won't be on TV much longer either, because it's boring too.


Re: Invasion:

Not sure how a show about Alien/Human hybrids is a ripoff of LOST, if anything it's a ripoff of X-Files :-)

But that's not what sank the show, it didn't 'suck' it just tried to milk the mystery too long. Once things started cooking the show rocked, but by then not enough people were watching.

It was a slow show until the 57 minute mark when the black smoke monster showed up.

I can't believe that Eko died.

I hope that Jack doesn't trust Juliete or Ben. I think both are playing him.

Next weeks episode looks very good.


The smoke moster showed up waaay before then.

I also noticed some of the background people talking about Mr.Eko at one point, made me realize that these folk actually seem to know what's going on--which makes it even funnier to me. They know about the adventures, the backstories etc, and still generally they are perpetually out of the action. We need a name for this group, I can't think of a clever one.


Redshirts...expendable.

Well, not that this is the answer, but Eko was given a chance to "repent" for his previous actions but chose not to. It could be the difference between, "I'm sorry for what I have done" versus "I had a reason for everything I did".

Why Smokey gets to be judge, jury and executioner is another story.

Because it can.

Doesn't bode well for Jack and Kate...they saw it as black smoke as well.

Can someone please explain to me how in the episode last season Eko sees the black smoke (nanoparticles) it sees him shows him his past and goes away? Now this season it sees him and has a reason to kill him. I don't buy the "judging" theory that someone had eluded to earlier due to the fact that last season Eko was shown as good and now he's judged as evil? Most of the characters have done bad in the past (Kate)? I'm going to have to call BS on this one. The writers are starting to slowly screw the formula up. They took a likeable character and eliminated him.



I'm calling BS as well, it's fairly obvious they are firing actors for bad behavior (drunk driving). My question is: How stupid did AAA have to be to drive drunk after seeing two of his coworkers get fired for the same reason? Are cabs that hard to come by in Hawaii?

Do you think they killed Eko as revenge for Sun killing the gal on the boat?

Could be that this is a set-up to get Jack to do the surgery, with the intent to "accidentally" have it end in death, but in the middle of the procedure, Jack's conscience would kick in and he would end up saving the toad's life. That would be a masterful manipulation. So far it has become apparent that Ben is capable of such.

-- Rich

Jack's a doctor, he's not going to kill anyone under the knife. I don't see why manipulation would be necessary to get him to 'not' kill him that way. The manipulation would come into play to get Jack to operate in the first place. He'll want Kate and Sawyer released first I would imagine (although he hasn't asked about them, punk).

I don’t think we have to worry about that. I suspect their life expectancy will be very short. :)

So you think this is going to be like the original Star Trek? Never want to be the unknown actor beamed down with Kirk and Scotty or you wind up dead???

Probably

Do you think they killed Eko as revenge for Sun killing the gal on the boat?

Interesting, but wouldn't Jen have been better revenge ???

THEY KILLED EKO!!!.....YOU BASTARDS!!!! Jeez, how can you take out one of the more interesting characters on the show? I hope this really isn't the end of his character on the show. He is the first one who hasn't been killed by an actual person.

Well, not that this is the answer, but Eko was given a chance to "repent" for his previous actions but chose not to. It could be the difference between, "I'm sorry for what I have done" versus "I had a reason for everything I did".

Why Smokey gets to be judge, jury and executioner is another story.
Rememeber when he (EKO) was introduced to the smoke the first time he was searching for the plane with his brother. Which lead him to repent for his sins by building a church, but he gave up on his redemption for a man made belief(the hatch button) That belief was misguided and led him to shy away from his religous belief and repenting. The smoke therefore followed out with the redemption that he was to face earlier.

THEY KILLED EKO!!!.....YOU BASTARDS!!!! Jeez, how can you take out one of the more interesting characters on the show? I hope this really isn't the end of his character on the show. He is the first one who hasn't been killed by an actual person.

Apart from the Pilot, also killed by the smoke monster.

Edit:

And Artz, who died from stupidity.

Jack's a doctor, he's not going to kill anyone under the knife. I don't see why manipulation would be necessary to get him to 'not' kill him that way. The manipulation would come into play to get Jack to operate in the first place. He'll want Kate and Sawyer released first I would imagine (although he hasn't asked about them, punk).

Agreed. He didn't think twice about operating on the woman Sun shot. Jack has the "do no harm" chip firmly in place.

Because it can.

Doesn't bode well for Jack and Kate...they saw it as black smoke as well.

True, and I thought Locke's comment that he saw a bright light was an interesting one. We've never seen the "good" monster then: the white version of the black smoke.

THEY KILLED EKO!!!.....YOU BASTARDS!!!! Jeez, how can you take out one of the more interesting characters on the show? I hope this really isn't the end of his character on the show. He is the first one who hasn't been killed by an actual person.
In USA Today's recap, it said that AAA asked to be written off the show. Both his parents died last year and he wanted to return to London and work on a film.

As for Jack operating on Ben, don't you think he would ask to see Kate & Sawyer or to have them released?

Before Jack agrees to do anything for or against Ben, he needs to say:

"What the hell is going on here?"
"Who are you people?"
"Tell me everything and prove it"

Its just pure TV trash if he doesn't.

How do you all interpret Locke's response to Sayid about what Eko's last words were?

Locke says, "You're next."

Does that mean that Locke is next or Sayid is next? :confused:

AAA didn't get arrested for drunk driving. He was busted for driving without a license. The charges were dropped when he proved he had one after all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adewale_Akinnuoye-Agbaje

How do you all interpret Locke's response to Sayid about what Eko's last words were?

Locke says, "You're next."

Does that mean that Locke is next or Sayid is next? :confused:

Locke said "We're next.", not "Your're next."

Before Jack agrees to do anything for or against Ben, he needs to say:

"What the hell is going on here?"
"Who are you people?"
"Tell me everything and prove it"

Its just pure TV trash if he doesn't.

Hyperbole aside ("TV trash"), they have Kate and Sawyer. Seems to me they don't have to answer any of Jack's potential questions if they don't wish to. All they need to do is threaten their lives...

How do you all interpret Locke's response to Sayid about what Eko's last words were?

Locke says, "You're next."

Does that mean that Locke is next or Sayid is next? :confused:

Locke said "we're next"

...

So 3 out of 4 of the Tailies are dead...not looking good for Bernard :-)

Bernard ?? Pfft !! Does anyone even care about him anymore? He was nothing more than a hen pecked, weepy willy anyway.

D) My theory about Jack and the others....I think everything is a setup to break him down, even Ben's tumor and Juliet's affection. Everything is 100% false to lead him to believe that he has to "help" Ben. Admitting to trying to break him was part of trying to break him...

The only problem I see in this is that Jack seeing the X-rays was clearly not a planned event. They didn't plan for Colleen to go get shot and have Jack come do a surgery on her and see Benry's X-rays.

Locke said "we're next"

I'll have to replay that. I guess I misheard it, but that makes more sense.

So you think this is going to be like the original Star Trek? Never want to be the unknown actor beamed down with Kirk and Scotty or you wind up dead???

Probably

Don't know if you remember, but this was a joke between Boone and Locke from season 1. They were looking for Claire in the jungle, and Locke was tying red shirts on trees so they could find their way back. Boone made a joke about the red shirts on Star Trek always dying under Captain Kirk. Locke then said, "Doesn't sound like he was a very good captain!"

The only problem I see in this is that Jack seeing the X-rays was clearly not a planned event. They didn't plan for Colleen to go get shot and have Jack come do a surgery on her and see Benry's X-rays.
Having Ben say to Juliet outside of earshot of Jack, "Why did you let him see my X-rays" clearly shows this was not a planned event. This fact alone makes me think what Ben said to Jack is true, that they had planned to break him down, but now that's all out the window.

My question is--why not just be nice to Jack from the beginning, and ask him nicely to do the back surgery? Why go through all the trouble to convince him to want to help. If Ben was nice from the beginning, and just made peace with the Losties, and then just simply asked Jack for help, I bet Jack would help in a heartbeat. Maybe Ben doesn't know any other way?

Oh, a term for the Losties that are always left out in the cold and not included? Frosties.

We've never seen the "good" monster then: the white version of the black smoke.

What are you talking about? The smoke is WHITE, not black. I've never seen black smoke on the show.

Oh, a term for the Losties that are always left out in the cold and not included? Frosties.

Say, that's not bad at all....

Hyperbole aside ("TV trash"), they have Kate and Sawyer. Seems to me they don't have to answer any of Jack's potential questions if they don't wish to. All they need to do is threaten their lives...


I meant that he at least needs to demand some answers. Whether or not they offer up any information is another matter.

Don't you also love how when they are preparing to go to the second hatch Locke decides to be all inclusive of the the other Losties and openly discusses his plan. Wonder if they are making fun of the forum discussions regarding the secrecy and lack of sharing of information or have they viewed this as constructive criticism?

I think Locke made a perfect reason as to why to include new people...

He's not Jack. Jack wanted the secrecy to keep people from panicking, Locke wanted to tell everyone what was going on. Wasn't he the one who told everyone about the hatch? Albeit, after he kept it secret from the main Losties that is, lol.

What are you talking about? The smoke is WHITE, not black. I've never seen black smoke on the show.

:confused:

What are you talking about? The smoke is WHITE, not black. I've never seen black smoke on the show.

Smokey the black smoke (nanobot, pissed off giraffe, tree pulling up) monster.

...

Don't you also love how when they are preparing to go to the second hatch Locke decides to be all inclusive of the the other Losties and openly discusses his plan. Wonder if they are making fun of the forum discussions regarding the secrecy and lack of sharing of information or have they viewed this as constructive criticism?

I consider that entire sequence as a "tongue firmly in cheek" comment at the show's critics that complain about Jack and troupe not including others when going to the hatch, the "other losties" not asking any questions, etc. The redshirt girl says to her boyfriend "you always complain about not being involved in this stuff, now is your turn to take advantage !!", and to Hurley's comment that Jack always took Kate or Sayid or Sawyer to go into the jungle, Locke says "I am not Jack. The more the merrier.."

The writers were throwing a friendly "poke in the ribs" to all the viewers through that sequence.

Ricwhite..when have you ever seen white smoke? I hope that you just mixed up your colors...because I've NEVER seen white smoke...

That, or your TV needs some SERIOUS color correction ;)

Ricwhite..when have you ever seen white smoke? I hope that you just mixed up your colors...because I've NEVER seen white smoke...

That, or your TV needs some SERIOUS color correction ;)


I'm sure he was joking, insinuating he is on the side of good and not evil. but you probably already kmew that.

Ricwhite..when have you ever seen white smoke? I hope that you just mixed up your colors...because I've NEVER seen white smoke...



Sounds like you need to repent.

What are you talking about? The smoke is WHITE, not black. I've never seen black smoke on the show.

Might be time for a recalibration of the set ric. :)(clever gag though)

Season 3 Part 2 begins February 7, 2007. Now we can all go about our normal partying and gift openning with no distractions from anything. After next weeks episode I will see you all in 2008

wow, if your not going to come back here for an entire year and a half, you sure will have lots of posts to read to just catch up. Probably about a 1000 pages worth!

If Eko had confessed and asked for forgiveness, would his brother have turned white? :D

Having Ben say to Juliet outside of earshot of Jack, "Why did you let him see my X-rays" clearly shows this was not a planned event. This fact alone makes me think what Ben said to Jack is true, that they had planned to break him down, but now that's all out the window.

My question is--why not just be nice to Jack from the beginning, and ask him nicely to do the back surgery? Why go through all the trouble to convince him to want to help. If Ben was nice from the beginning, and just made peace with the Losties, and then just simply asked Jack for help, I bet Jack would help in a heartbeat. Maybe Ben doesn't know any other way?

Oh, a term for the Losties that are always left out in the cold and not included? Frosties.
what a crapy story that would be! Henry is real, He was just looking for help and got trapped in a crazy woman's net. No No NO, we like the story just the way it is playing out.

what a crapy story that would be! Henry is real, He was just looking for help and got trapped in a crazy woman's net. No No NO, we like the story just the way it is playing out.

Well, I agree that the story wouldn't be as exciting, but it becomes a little hard to invest in a story when the alternative would be so much simpler--the story involves a lot more suspension of disbelief than I am getting comfortable with. There better be pretty good reason why Ben and the Others have to kidnap, torture, kill, and mentally abuse the Losties and the Frosties. But they're the good guys, right??

It's possible if Juliet is really crafty that she left those X-rays out hoping Jack would see them. She also stopped him for a little chat as I recall in that room with the X-rays. Could be she wanted him to see them so it would stop Ben's plan, because she knew if he successfully broke Jack that Jack would be under Ben's control, not hers.

Rememeber when he (EKO) was introduced to the smoke the first time he was searching for the plane with his brother. Which lead him to repent for his sins by building a church, but he gave up on his redemption for a man made belief(the hatch button) That belief was misguided and led him to shy away from his religous belief and repenting. The smoke therefore followed out with the redemption that he was to face earlier.


I think the black smoke represents the Shadow of Death. The reason it didn't kill him initially is because he did not fear it, he originally faced the smoke without fear and was shielded from its attacks.

The second time he encountered the shadow he was filled with fear and doubt (obviously, the show made it so clear even Locke was asking Eko "What are you afraid of?") Shortly before Eko was killed he started reciting Psalm 23:

The Lord is my shepherd (**this is the portion you heard him say out loud**,) I shall not want; he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters, he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of my enemies; thou anointest my head with oil, my cup overflows. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.

Before he was killed his "brother" (who wasn't actually his brother obviously, as he said "You talk to me as if I were your brother") had him follow a path through the woods, Eko knelt down in front of the still water to quench his thirst (and the shadow appeared behind him,) he broke off a staff from the forest floor, and Eko was led into a bright green field [where he knelt down in front of the being.]

Perhaps Eko's brother represents God, and the shadow the Shadow of Death. The episode was dropping religious references the entire time.... even having Gale ask Jack "Do you believe in God?"

I don't know if this has been said already... it probably has seeing as how many posts there are in this thread, if so my bad - I just found the thread.

I replayed it. It said FALL Season Finale. Season 3 will restart in about 3 months. It won't be season 4, still season 3. I had to replay to see the word "FALL"
Why would they not show new episodes of Lost throughout sweeps month? Doesn't make much sense.

wow, if your not going to come back here for an entire year and a half, you sure will have lots of posts to read to just catch up. Probably about a 1000 pages worth!
it is only 3 months, but thanx for your concern. I wouldn't say 1000, probably about 40 -50.

I guess this means Ben can't leave the island. If he could, he'd get the operation someplace else on the planet instead of waiting for a surgeon to "fall from the sky". Wouldn't that be safer?

If the Others really wanted to get rid of Ben, there are a hundred other ways they could have done it already. Considering how much trouble they went through to force Michael to get Ben back from the Losties, he obviously has some extremely strong supporters in the Other community. This looks like a civil war.

Bernard ?? Pfft !! Does anyone even care about him anymore? He was nothing more than a hen pecked, weepy willy anyway.

Wasn't commenting on his importance to the story, just that the odds weren't looking good for him :-)

Interesting the number of posts from members with very low post counts. Eko lovers coming out of the woodwork to vent I guess. I for one do not believe the ongoing assertions that characters are being written off the show due to run in's with the local police (not so sure I believe the story referenced about him asking out either...). Eko was just a great character. He will definitely be missed. But geez, all you people complaining, would you rather have the typical show that only kills off the peripheral, no-consequence characters? The very type people joke about (ie Star Trek and it's redshirts)? I applaud the producers/writers for having the balls to do otherwise. I really kind of believe that Eko's days were numbered from the very beginning myself. And I think they paid him the ultimate respect by giving him a proper and fitting send off. What better way to go out than being body slammed against trees and pounded to death into the ground by the evil black smoke? It was spectacular. The Lost island(s) are clearly not a happy happy, joy joy kind of place. Eko will not be forgotten...


ron

Well, I agree that the story wouldn't be as exciting, but it becomes a little hard to invest in a story when the alternative would be so much simpler--the story involves a lot more suspension of disbelief than I am getting comfortable with. There better be pretty good reason why Ben and the Others have to kidnap, torture, kill, and mentally abuse the Losties and the Frosties. But they're the good guys, right??
they really haven't beaten or torture any body but crimminals.(kate & Sawyer:James) So maybe they are "the good guys" after all. Jack is just held untill he gets passed his hatred for them, Like this week he learned no mask if you go quietly. Just follow our rules and you will be happy.

I think the black smoke represents the Shadow of Death. The reason it didn't kill him initially is because he did not fear it, he originally faced the smoke without fear and was shielded from its attacks.

The second time he encountered the shadow he was filled with fear and doubt (obviously, the show made it so clear even Locke was asking Eko "What are you afraid of?") Shortly before Eko was killed he started reciting Psalm 23:



Before he was killed his "brother" (who wasn't actually his brother obviously, as he said "You talk to me as if I were your brother") had him follow a path through the woods, Eko knelt down in front of the still water to quench his thirst (and the shadow appeared behind him,) he broke off a staff from the forest floor, and Eko was led into a bright green field [where he knelt down in front of the being.]

Perhaps Eko's brother represents God, and the shadow the Shadow of Death. The episode was dropping religious references the entire time.... even having Gale ask Jack "Do you believe in God?"

I don't know if this has been said already... it probably has seeing as how many posts there are in this thread, if so my bad - I just found the thread.
I like where you are going stinky, But if this was true why did it try to take or kill Locke during his second meeting. with smokey. Locke was still holding a lot of faith for the island and was being dragged into the rabbit hole.

TvGuide's Ausiello interview with the Lost exec about AAA's death.

http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700010897

No spoilers in the link.

I thought Eko's days were numbered the day AAA signed onto the series. I think the guy is a fantastic actor and should be spending his time persuing a film career before his looks start to age.

So will the six episodes of Lost season 3.0 be on DVD in time for Christmas? :)

Why would they not show new episodes of Lost throughout sweeps month? Doesn't make much sense.
I have asked the same question, however this new schedule favors the fans so I don't complain. But my opinion is by doing it this way they have it playing through the 1st 2 weeks of Nov(sweeps). Give the new show a shot of max ratings before the holidays to try to draw it's audience during 3 weeks of the sweeps and hopefully they follow through the holidays. then Lost is back for the full Feb sweeps which makes more of a difference then May. Especially since Lost will not make it all the way to May.(18 weeks)

it is only 3 months, but thanx for your concern. I wouldn't say 1000, probably about 40 -50.

You said you wouldn't be back until 2008.

I thought Eko's days were numbered the day AAA signed onto the series. I think the guy is a fantastic actor and should be spending his time persuing a film career before his looks start to age.

So will the six episodes of Lost season 3.0 be on DVD in time for Christmas? :)
it better not be, what a rip off if they try that. Because you know they would try to get max dollars. Let the season be one season and one box set that is on sale for $29 like it usually is.

it is only 3 months, but thanx for your concern. I wouldn't say 1000, probably about 40 -50.Actually, in your original post you said you'd be back in 2008, which is more than 3 months away.
After next weeks episode I will see you all in 2008

You said you wouldn't be back until 2008.
my fault, I did type that!! Bad hands bad bad hands. I put them in the corner and they have a timeout untill 1:30

Other than To Kill A Mockingbird being filmed in BLACK and WHITE and dealing with a black man on trial are there any other tie-ins with Lost?

The writers often like to throw in references to things like Carrie, The Bad Twin, The Stand, Watership Down, Turn of the Screw, and The Third Policeman, which are often red herrings, but sometimes supposedly have a clue in them.

I really got a good laugh over Locke including a few of the background characters for once. It's almost like an inside joke, the way it's always the same 'star' characters that have all the adventures, make all the decisions, etc. The rest of the people just hang around, build their huts and eat fruit. Season one had Arzt allude to this, and it really cracks me up to see these outsiders (of sorts) being involved in the high-level Island events.

I also noticed some of the background people talking about Mr.Eko at one point, made me realize that these folk actually seem to know what's going on--which makes it even funnier to me. They know about the adventures, the backstories etc, and still generally they are perpetually out of the action. We need a name for this group, I can't think of a clever one.

Clearly, these people comprise the "Outies", and Jack and company are the "Innies".

I think Locke made a perfect reason as to why to include new people...

He's not Jack. Jack wanted the secrecy to keep people from panicking, Locke wanted to tell everyone what was going on. Wasn't he the one who told everyone about the hatch? Albeit, after he kept it secret from the main Losties that is, lol.

The thing that gets me about Locke is that I still don't see the reason for him hiding the fact that he was wheelchair bound before the plane landed on the island. IMO , if he would've just fess'd up to having been so, people on the island would have a different outlook on what was going on. The running theme for every group on the island seems to be "don't tell anyone everything you know." Just like with the smoke, which we now suspect was white for him. Why has he kept this information to himself all this time, and just depended on people to believe his faith? The scene made it look like it was a quite an experience, yet no indication that he shared with anyone. Just doesn't seem to make sense.

Course, I'm still trying to figure out why Jack got all weird when he found the rocks back in ep. 1(believe they were white and black.) He didn't share that with anyone either.

my. $.02

I like where you are going stinky, But if this was true why did it try to take or kill Locke during his second meeting. with smokey. Locke was still holding a lot of faith for the island and was being dragged into the rabbit hole.

Well, if Locke saw it as a white light..... maybe it didn't try to kill him but instead "take him" (it could've easily had killed him as it did with Eko by smashing him against a tree, thg round, etc.)

Well, if Locke saw it as a white light..... maybe it didn't try to kill him but instead "take him" (it could've easily had killed him as it did with Eko by smashing him against a tree, thg round, etc.)
When Locke mentioned the white light, he could have been talking about the hatch explosion, not the smoke monster. The context was missing from their conversation.

Why would they not show new episodes of Lost throughout sweeps month? Doesn't make much sense.
Makes perfect sense. Everyone and their brother was complaining about repeats and no new episodes for weeks at a time so they decided to air a bunch until November then start again in February with no reruns until the May cliffhanger. Otherwise they would have to have started in January like 24 does. Hmm no brainer to me.

IIRC, it takes them 28 days to do a show from start to finish - a huge amount of time for a TV series. The 3 months gives them time to catch up.

Interesting the number of posts from members with very low post counts. Eko lovers coming out of the woodwork to vent I guess. I for one do not believe the ongoing assertions that characters are being written off the show due to run in's with the local police (not so sure I believe the story referenced about him asking out either...). Eko was just a great character. He will definitely be missed. But geez, all you people complaining, would you rather have the typical show that only kills off the peripheral, no-consequence characters? The very type people joke about (ie Star Trek and it's redshirts)? I applaud the producers/writers for having the balls to do otherwise. I really kind of believe that Eko's days were numbered from the very beginning myself. And I think they paid him the ultimate respect by giving him a proper and fitting send off. What better way to go out than being body slammed against trees and pounded to death into the ground by the evil black smoke? It was spectacular. The Lost island(s) are clearly not a happy happy, joy joy kind of place. Eko will not be forgotten...


ron

My only issue with his death, aside from it possibly having more to do with politics than storytelling, is that his story felt unfinished. Too many unanswered questions. I have no problems with them drawing out the story for suspense, but to leave it untold is not cool, especially for a character as cool as Mr Eko's. He didn't even get a chance to help save the day, he just died in the jungle for no reason.

I know many will point out that death often happens for no reason, but this isn't a reality show lol :-)

Clearly, these people comprise the "Outies", and Jack and company are the "Innies".


Thats good....or there is always "Shirts" and "Skins"

IIRC, it takes them 28 days to do a show from start to finish - a huge amount of time for a TV series. The 3 months gives them time to catch up.
That doesn't make any sense, as it would mean they can do at most 12 episodes in a season, and that's working most year-round.

Thats good....or there is always "Shirts" and "Skins"

Only if Kate is on the "Skins" team.

IIRC, it takes them 28 days to do a show from start to finish - a huge amount of time for a TV series. The 3 months gives them time to catch up.
the 28 days isn't true, but it is true. It does take them about 28 days per show but it is an overlapping 28.(if I remember correctly a sitcom is shot in a week and a drama in 2 weeks) They don't work on one episode at a time. Dozens of scenes are shot at once. then the behind the scenes work starts. The editors are editing, the writers are writing, the director is cutting, CGI guys are CGIing it. It is a team effort but a fast pace one. So it is a total 28 days from day one to completed project episode.

If people have been paying attention to the facts for this season not rumors you would know Jack shot most of his scenes early this year so he can take time off for a movie. So all those scene are sitting there waiting to be edited in. Normally actors work from aug-nov then again jan-march. Dec is usually used for add-ons or re-shoots unless they did it already and got it right.

TvGuide's Ausiello interview with the Lost exec about AAA's death.

http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700010897

No spoilers in the link.Ah, now that makes more sense and I mostly believe that. I guess I can't give them the props for such big kahunas for killing him off when they did, since it sounds like they stretched it out and probably kept him even longer than he originally agreed to ;).

My only issue with his death, aside from it possibly having more to do with politics than storytelling, is that his story felt unfinished. Too many unanswered questions. I have no problems with them drawing out the story for suspense, but to leave it untold is not cool, especially for a character as cool as Mr Eko's. He didn't even get a chance to help save the day, he just died in the jungle for no reason.What questions? It seemed like they wrapped up his story arc pretty well to me except for exactly why he was killed. I'd be really surprised if they don't revisit/flashback on his death at some later point to further flesh out exactly why it did happen though. I do agree, even though he did a lot of bad stuff in his life, Eko seemed repentant and was the kind of character you want to pull for so it would have been nice to have him around longer all right.


ron

What they haven't yet explained is how a small plane like that flew out of Africa and ended up in the middle of the Pacific, if that's where the island is.

I like where you are going stinky, But if this was true why did it try to take or kill Locke during his second meeting. with smokey. Locke was still holding a lot of faith for the island and was being dragged into the rabbit hole.

Some have theorized that the smoke monster is a type of defense system. Whether it is defending the Dharma stations or something else is not clear, but some have also theorized that its name is Cerberus which was on the blast door map, and in mythology is a guard type being.

If it is a guardian type thing, then recall that at the time it attacked Locke he/they had a bunch of dynamite with them. Perhaps it was worried about them damaging something, so it attacked him/them. Maybe it was happy with Desmond pushing the button, and didn't want anyone to get in there and mess him up.

The monster definitely has some motivations relating to the button pushing, because later it was egging on Eko to push the button when Locke got tired of it.

What questions? It seemed like they wrapped up his story arc pretty well to me except for exactly why he was killed. I'd be really surprised if they don't revisit/flashback on his death at some later point to further flesh out exactly why it did happen though. I do agree, even though he did a lot of bad stuff in his life, Eko seemed repentant and was the kind of character you want to pull for so it would have been nice to have him around longer all right.


ron

How did he and his brother come to be on the same island? Why did his 'brother' appear to him and appeal to him to keep pushing the button? Why did the monster spare him the first time yet kill him the 2nd?

And those are just the ones that come to mind off the top of my head.

OK I promise I won't say I'm outta here, but I've got some issues. There were way too many moments in this episode where I was pulled out of the story.

The first was when Eko transformed from nearly comatose to escapee, and managed to disappear from Charlie et al who were a mere 10 or 15 feet away.

Next was Locke's asking if any Frosties wanted to tag along. The explanation that it's a poke at the forum junkies is fine, but it still rang completely false to me. A too obvious scene designed to get the golf guy and the babe into the storyline.

Then Female Frostie has a eureka moment in the tv room. Gosh if only Sayid or Locke had thought that the other screens led to other views! Wow, that chick has some serious brain power. And I guess all you have to do is fiddle with the wires in the closet to hook 'em up.

Did Eko seem to recover really really quickly from his near-death state?

And finally, reading here today (whether it's true or not I don't know) that Eko is dead because either a) the actor got busted for a traffic violation, or b) he wants out to move to the UK - and the real reason the story has Jack in a cell by himself is because he filmed all his scenes separately to accommodate his movie plans - it just further damages my ability to just get caught up in a cool story set in a believable fantasy universe.

I also wonder if the hiatus isn't going to turn out to be a big mistake. I think it's possible that a lot of the less-than-diehard fans will get out of the Lost habit by February.

The first was when Eko transformed from nearly comatose to escapee, and managed to disappear from Charlie et al who were a mere 10 or 15 feet away.

This one didn't seem to bother me too much, although it is strange and a bit unbelievable.

Next was Locke's asking if any Frosties wanted to tag along. The explanation that it's a poke at the forum junkies is fine, but it still rang completely false to me. A too obvious scene designed to get the golf guy and the babe into the storyline.

This one I didn't like, and said outloud to myself, "It's sure great to have been on a plane full of gorgeous people..."

Then Female Frostie has a eureka moment in the tv room. Gosh if only Sayid or Locke had thought that the other screens led to other views! Wow, that chick has some serious brain power. And I guess all you have to do is fiddle with the wires in the closet to hook 'em up.

This is the one that pissed me off. How stupid do you have to be not to have thought of that the first time you saw all those monitors???

I hope this show straightens up and doesn't "Jump the Shark"

So what did the alter boy say to Eko in the woods? It sounded like "go fish" to me. :)

Con - fess.

Or they could have been taking a break from the action to bust out a quick game of Go Fish.

So what did the alter boy say to Eko in the woods? It sounded like "go fish" to me. :)

I hope this show straightens up and doesn't "Jump the Shark"

That's what I was thinking.

I think the death of Eko might just be Lost jumping of the shark. The two new cast-members don't seem to jive with the feel of the show at all.... it's almost like two regular people who won a contest to appear on an episode of Lost and they have no idea what they're doing. Eko's death was so sudden, unnecessary, and disappointing. One of the writers must have been high when deciding to give one of the, if not the, most interesting characters on the show an unexpected Ernst-style death.... and Eyepatch McPirate on the other end of the hatch monitor seemed really clunky to me.

I really hope that's not the case though.

At least Heroes is still good.... it's pretty much the only other show like this that I watch.

So what did the alter boy say to Eko in the woods? It sounded like "go fish" to me. :)


Con - fess.

Or they could have been taking a break from the action to bust out a quick game of Go Fish.


So what did the alter boy say to Eko in the woods? It sounded like "go fish" to me. :)

You just blew my mind.

the 28 days isn't true, but it is true. It does take them about 28 days per show but it is an overlapping 28.(if I remember correctly a sitcom is shot in a week and a drama in 2 weeks) They don't work on one episode at a time. Dozens of scenes are shot at once. then the behind the scenes work starts. The editors are editing, the writers are writing, the director is cutting, CGI guys are CGIing it. It is a team effort but a fast pace one. So it is a total 28 days from day one to completed project episode.

Exactly right, nutty, and thanks for expanding on that. I should have inserted the overlap time period in my post so as not to confuse everyone.



Then Female Frostie has a eureka moment in the tv room. Gosh if only Sayid or Locke had thought that the other screens led to other views! Wow, that chick has some serious brain power. And I guess all you have to do is fiddle with the wires in the closet to hook 'em up.


When Locke was watching that tape last season, I thought for sure a light bulb went off in his head and he was going to crank up all of those monitors, but it never materialized.

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I also wonder if the hiatus isn't going to turn out to be a big mistake. I think it's possible that a lot of the less-than-diehard fans will get out of the Lost habit by February...

Well, if history is any indicator, next week's semi-season finale will have some type of "OMG, I can't believe they [fill in the blank]" moment or moments that will have those of us without a real life marking off the days on a calendar until February rolls around. :D

what a crapy story that would be! Henry is real, He was just looking for help and got trapped in a crazy woman's net. No No NO, we like the story just the way it is playing out.


You know, and it may have been mentioned already, if so I apologize, but in this season's opener, I recall Juliette making a snide comment about Benry during their little book club gathering - right before the plane crash. Somebody said something about Benry not liking the book and she seemed a little pissed off about it. My memory might be faulty, but I'm pretty sure I recall that happening. I don't think she likes him at all.

Yeah, I've felt tension between them since that first thing with the book club as well, and there have been other tension filled moments between them as well.

Yeah, I've felt tension between them since that first thing with the book club as well, and there have been other tension filled moments between them as well.

You mean like when he locked her in the room with Jack that was rapidly filling up with water?

You know, and it may have been mentioned already, if so I apologize, but in this season's opener, I recall Juliette making a snide comment about Benry during their little book club gathering - right before the plane crash. Somebody said something about Benry not liking the book and she seemed a little pissed off about it. My memory might be faulty, but I'm pretty sure I recall that happening. I don't think she likes him at all.

You mean when she said, "I don't give a damn what Ben thinks."

How did he and his brother come to be on the same island? Why did his 'brother' appear to him and appeal to him to keep pushing the button? Why did the monster spare him the first time yet kill him the 2nd?

And those are just the ones that come to mind off the top of my head.What I meant was that his part of the story arc that required him to be there, alive and acting :), seemed to be wrapped up pretty well. The questions you bring up, along with the actual reason for his death like I mentioned, are to me really more like island questions in general. They are many of the same things that are connected to the other characters and have happened to them as well. Those are all questions that they really can't answer yet, because they are central to the whole island mystery. I'm sure those will eventually be answered as the mystery unfolds.


ron

Yeah, like that! :)

You know, and it may have been mentioned already, if so I apologize, but in this season's opener, I recall Juliette making a snide comment about Benry during their little book club gathering - right before the plane crash. Somebody said something about Benry not liking the book and she seemed a little pissed off about it. My memory might be faulty, but I'm pretty sure I recall that happening. I don't think she likes him at all.

One of the fellow bookclub members disparaged her choice of Stephen King, stating that Ben wouldn't approve. She stated the she didn't give a damn what Ben thought, there was still room for independent thought. Then after 'quake' (Desmond being late to the switch), Ben noticed the books in people's hand and said "I guess I'm out of the book club".

That implies he was recently a member. Add that to her crying at the beginning and you have a major rift between the two just before the Losties' plane crashed.

What I meant was that his part of the story arc that required him to be there, alive and acting :), seemed to be wrapped up pretty well. The questions you bring up, along with the actual reason for his death like I mentioned, are to me really more like island questions in general. They are many of the same things that are connected to the other characters and have happened to them as well. Those are all questions that they really can't answer yet, because they are central to the whole island mystery. I'm sure those will eventually be answered as the mystery unfolds.


ron

Right. cough.

Anyone notice that Jack asked Ben if his "neck hurt, any numbness in your fingers and toes?" Jack said in the previous epi that the tumor was at L4. For those symptoms to occur he would have to have a cervical vertebral tumor. Not really important, just an observation.

I hate it when doctors point out stuff that I'd never notice...the same reason I never watch ER with my wife (an ER doc)...she's always pointing out what they are doing wrong... :D

I have a problem reconciling the Eko that apparently became a priest, was silent for weeks, and was building a church with the Eko of the last session's flashbacks that seemed acting in his own selfish interest thoughout, never feeling guilty even at the end. They don't seem like the same person. Did the writers have a brain fart or was all this just needed to get him off the show for a drunk driving arrest or contract dispute or something?

Though I liked seeing the pi$$ed off nano-giraffe finally do something dynamic.

- Tom

Maybe Jack is playing at some more manipulation by planting psychosomatic suggestions?


v/r,
C-F

Just before Eko died he said something to Locke. Locke told everyone that he said "we're next" but I thought Eko said "I confess".

Maybe he was confessing to playing "go fish" with the boy. :D

One of the fellow bookclub members disparaged her choice of Stephen King, stating that Ben wouldn't approve. She stated the she didn't give a damn what Ben thought, there was still room for independent thought. Then after 'quake' (Desmond being late to the switch), Ben noticed the books in people's hand and said "I guess I'm out of the book club".

That implies he was recently a member. Add that to her crying at the beginning and you have a major rift between the two just before the Losties' plane crashed.

or she's crying because her lover/husband/leader/whatever Benry just found out 2 days ago that he has a big honking tumor on his spine that she doesn't have the medical knowledge/ability to do anything about.

I still think they're a pair and are still playing Jack, even if he inadvertently saw the xrays. They simply adjusted their manipulation strategies.

True, and I thought Locke's comment that he saw a bright light was an interesting one. We've never seen the "good" monster then: the white version of the black smoke.

was locke clear that he say the white light on the island? I need to go back and watch again, but at the time I got the impression he was talking about near death like when eko was lieing around almost dead for 2-3days and perhaps locke was talkign about driving his little car off a cliff in his flashback.

Ya know like "I almost died once when i had a car accident- I saw a white light. THe polar bear almost killed you- did you see the white light?"


need to go back and watch again...

was locke clear that he say the white light on the island? I need to go back and watch again, but at the time I got the impression he was talking about near death like when eko was lieing around almost dead for 2-3days and perhaps locke was talkign about driving his little car off a cliff in his flashback.

Ya know like "I almost died once when i had a car accident- I saw a white light. THe polar bear almost killed you- did you see the white light?"


need to go back and watch again...

Way back yonder, Locke had an encounter with the "monster" and described it as beautiful. In last night's episode he mentioned to Eko that it was a white light, to which Eko replied, "That's NOT what I saw."