Originally posted by tall1
Oh wow, is that Evangeline Lilly on Letterman? I take it all back. I would kiss her even as my wife was beating my ass with a broom.

Yea I just watched that. She said she knocked one of her teeth out doing drunken aerobics after a night at the bar. That's my type of girl! :cool:

Originally posted by PDPnNJ
I can't watch "Lost" with CC on (even if available). There are so many details and hints that can easily be lost 'no pun intended' while reading CC material.I miss more details without closed captioning on, but then I've always had rather unusual difficulty understanding what people say when I can't see their mouth (often even when I can), especially for someone with no apparant hearing loss. Also, I just so happened to be watching with a friend who's 90% deaf.

I only turn CC on while watching foreign material or when a movie has people with heavy accent. I didn't expect that scene to be as bad so it caught me by surprise.As has been harped on with this show, "Expect the unexpected." :)

Originally posted by archiguy
The French chick is reported to be played by an actress familiar to many of the TV sci-fi geeks out there. I'd post it in spoiler tags - if I could figure out how to do spoiler tags....?I'd call the announcement that "The French chick is reported to be played by…" a spoiler unto itself! We didn't know that she was still alive… until now! Thanks a lot! ;) But yeah, Yugoslavia's answer to Meryl Streep playing a French woman… innnteresting… I guess all accents sound the same. :) 's'Good to see her again, though, lo these many years.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
And what guy here did not imagine yourself being the one that kissed Kate!
You think Sawyer had some serious bad breath? or what? :)I'd wager they both had pretty bad breath… and impossibly clean/white teeth having no toothbrushes… those aloe stalks just wouldn't cut it…

Actually it is because they would torture someone for inhalers. My wife has asthma and I can appreciate the need for them but it was not a life or death scenario. I could see if he was hiding someones heart medicine or something like that.

I disagree, and to let you know my background, I practice pediatric pulmonology for a living. People certainly die from asthma each year, and in fact the number dying is climbing despite efforts to control the disease better. I'm not sure how I would behave in a situation like this, especially with all the mental trauma they've experienced in a short time, but I hope torture would not be condoned by me. However, none of us really know until you're faced with the situation. In the end though, Jack believes they're not going to be rescued and even if he got extra inhalers, they're still going to run out at some point, so I think it's interesting that he would compromise his beliefs (assuming he's against torture in general) to help Shannon in the short term knowing he'll be faced with no inhalers at some point down the road.

Now, since I am incapable of understanding engineering/mechanics I just accepted the whole transceiver bit as artistic license and left it at that. I am just as willing to accept the medical stuff they do in the same way. I could post numerous remarks about unrealistic or unbelievable scenes involving medical care on this show, but what's the fun in that? I think it's an entertaining story line and certainly set in a beautiful place with some nice looking men running around. I'll just leave it at that. :D

Originally posted by drsimnal
... so I think it's interesting that he would compromise his beliefs (assuming he's against torture in general) to help Shannon in the short term knowing he'll be faced with no inhalers at some point down the road.

Now, since I am incapable of understanding engineering/mechanics I just accepted the whole transceiver bit as artistic license and left it at that. I am just as willing to accept the medical stuff they do in the same way. I could post numerous remarks about unrealistic or unbelievable scenes involving medical care on this show, but what's the fun in that? I think it's an entertaining story line and certainly set in a beautiful place with some nice looking men running around. I'll just leave it at that. :D

That's not the first time, either. Don't forget he was forced to finish off the Marshall after Sawyer botched the "mercy killing."

Speaking of unrealistic medicine, didn't Jack say Sayid hit an artery? We saw blood spurt. What are the chances that a non-specialist surgeon can repair a cut artery on the field? For argument's sake, let's pretend that Jack carries around a full implement of surgical tools with him.

Originally posted by barth2k
We saw blood spurt.

Just go with the flow.:D

More magic of the island!

Bob

Originally posted by barth2k
Speaking of unrealistic medicine, didn't Jack say Sayid hit an artery? We saw blood spurt. What are the chances that a non-specialist surgeon can repair a cut artery on the field? For argument's sake, let's pretend that Jack carries around a full implement of surgical tools with him.
He may not have been able to repair it completely, but he could at least stop the bleeding, and thus save his life. I would imagine anyone (except for real quacks) having gone through medical school could do that with even basic tools.

Why not cauterize the artery with a piece of metal heated up?

If that's a tropical island, the chances for infection may make any serious cuts pretty serious.

Now, since I am incapable of understanding engineering/mechanics I just accepted the whole transceiver bit as artistic license and left it at that. I am just as willing to accept the medical stuff they do in the same way. I could post numerous remarks about unrealistic or unbelievable scenes involving medical care on this show, but what's the fun in that?

I hope no out there thinks that those of us who were discussing triangulation theory don't enjoy the heck out this show, because we certainly do!

--Dan

Just go with the flow.:D
Grrroan!

I guess that whole "the island will give you what you want, but you have to give the island something in return" is true:

What did Sawyer want: a kiss from Kate.

The price: Blood.

--Dan

Originally posted by wco81
Why not cauterize the artery with a piece of metal heated up?

If that's a tropical island, the chances for infection may make any serious cuts pretty serious.

well, it depends on which artery got nailed - if he lacerated his brachial artery, compression alone would not be enough to stop the bleeding. If you cauterize the brachial artery, you would have no other blood supply to your forearm and hand. If it's a small branch artery, manual compression alone would stop it after a while.

Actually, I was making stuff up. But they did it on some movie or show, cauterizing with a hot poker. Actually 24 did it last season. Guy got shot in the hand and he cauterized it. Then the rest of the "day" he went around like he wasn't even nicked.

I think i have gotten lost and ended up in an ER thread

while we're on the medical bit-- for me.. a week (assuming the timeline is the same as the broadcast schedule) after dislocating his shoulder, jack is able to throw a couple of roundhouses with minimal difficulty. tho, he did grab his shoulder one time and wince. I've dislocated more times than i care to remember and you can't throw a haymaker like that for at least 4-6 weeks! but who cares- sawyer had it coming!

Originally posted by drsimnal
I disagree, and to let you know my background, I practice pediatric pulmonology for a living. People certainly die from asthma each year, and in fact the number dying is climbing despite efforts to control the disease better.

I think we all know that but the girl was fine and was having a panic attack on top of the asthma. I am talking about the shows scenario specifically.

Originally posted by shades
I think i have gotten lost and ended up in an ER thread

Exactly...you got LOST...

Originally posted by Kipp Jones
I think we all know that but the girl was fine and was having a panic attack on top of the asthma. I am talking about the shows scenario specifically.

Well the writers had her turning blue from lack of oxygen. Doctor or not, experience with asthma or not, I would have been concerned. I think the fact that Sawyer pretended to have them is what put them over the edge. Who would do such a thing? I never would have assumed that he DIDN'T have them but was only pretending.

Now granted, they weren't thinking very far ahead. What would they have done when her meds ran out? The doc should have used his head and figured out an alternate treatment. He berated himself for it after the fact ("real smart Jack"), but that won't heal Sawyer's fingers lol

I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. It was a good reveal of 'Sawyer's backstory and explained why he seems to hate himself so much. I would like to have seen him running from the mob (since he appears to have left 140K of the mob's money in the mark's house), maybe another episode.

while we're on the medical bit-- for me.. a week (assuming the timeline is the same as the broadcast schedule) after dislocating his shoulder, jack is able to throw a couple of roundhouses with minimal difficulty. tho, he did grab his shoulder one time and wince.
Each episode is two days, so they've been on the island 12 days now.

Jack did seem to make a pretty quick recovery on the dislocated shoulder but, then, he's a quick healer. Remember that big laceration on his back that Kate had to sew up in the pilot? After he put his shirt back on, he was as good as new... :)

—Dan

Originally posted by danco
Each episode is two days, so they've been on the island 12 days now.



then there is no way he could have thrown a punch!

i love this show tho-- i missed the first 3 episodes-- anyone hear if they'll rebroadcast them soon- i'm hoping over the holidays as they often don't show first run during this time period anymore.

Originally posted by eddieras
then there is no way he could have thrown a punch!

i love this show tho-- i missed the first 3 episodes-- anyone hear if they'll rebroadcast them soon- i'm hoping over the holidays as they often don't show first run during this time period anymore.

Not sure about rebroadcasting times...but there is always **********

I'm sure repeats will air after the November sweeps.

It's not like 24 where they HAVE to go in sequence. These backstories are self-contained almost. There is very little of the main plot -- the mysteries about the island and whether they will survive, be rescued, etc. -- being advanced right now.

So really, you could have them replay episode 5 then do 2 then do 7 and it's not going to really break that much continuity.

Originally posted by Moorebid

I'd wager they both had pretty bad breath… and impossibly clean/white teeth having no toothbrushes… those aloe stalks just wouldn't cut it…

Why should they necessarily have bad breath and no toothbrushes? It's only been 12 days and there's lots of luggage around...what do you pack for a plane ride? Toothbrush and toothpaste...if it's not your toothbrush, just boil it for a while to sterilize it.

Yes, this last episode had my wife groaning some... "What's with all the stereo-typing?"

I mean, come on... we got an Iraqi (ex-republican guard) who just happened to be up on practices of torture... Which may fit, but still.... The one Iraqi on the plane just happens to be this type of guy? I guess all Iraqi's fit this description? I think the writers need to be more careful about stereo-typing the characters.

Hopefully this weeks episode will bring us back to some of the more interesting story lines...

There's always going to be stereotyping. Why is that necessarily wrong? That is just who this character is. If there was someone accomplished in "interrogation techniques" I would expect him to be military, police, mafia, or something like that. If there was an American special forces (or prison guard) on the plane I'd expect them to know a bit about it as well.

I think they were just trying to create as diverse a bunch of characters as possible.

Is it sterotyping that the only pregnant person on the island is a woman? OK, I'm being a bit silly there, but the point is that you have to build in some reason for the character to be or do something. Would it be any better if Jack or Boone came up with the torture idea and knew what to do?

Plus, Sayid said he had sworn he'd never do somehting like that again...He appears so far (we'll see about his backstory) that he has demonstrated some rejection of what he had previously done. We may find out that the assumptions we have, which are directly related to the stereotypes, are completely wrong. That's how this show sets things up. So the initial stereotyping may be necessary if you're going to get your perspective changed.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Yes, this last episode had my wife groaning some... "What's with all the stereo-typing?"

I mean, come on... we got an Iraqi (ex-republican guard) who just happened to be up on practices of torture... Which may fit, but still.... The one Iraqi on the plane just happens to be this type of guy? I guess all Iraqi's fit this description? I think the writers need to be more careful about stereo-typing the characters.

Hopefully this weeks episode will bring us back to some of the more interesting story lines... Just because it is stereotyping doesn't mean it is bad. Like you said, he is an ex republican guard, not a hairdresser. So it is realistic for him to know how to torture prisoners...they are trained to do this. And we don't know he was the only Iraqi on the plane.

Yes, and obviously this stereotypical character just stands out more now because of current events...

Although it looks like Sayid will be on the other side of the coin in this weeks episode.. :)

And why do I get this feeling that the Sayid storyline this week will be a big letdown? I hope not but that lightbulb/electricty thing would be a huge turning point if this turns out to be real. If they now have electricity, they wouldn't exactly be roughing it anymore. I am guessing somehow the presence of electricity will elude them just like on Gilligan's Island when they would find a way to get off the island and poof, it would disappear (e.g boat, visitor etc.). As a kid, I always fell for it.

Originally posted by tall1
And why do I get this feeling that the Sayid storyline this week will be a big letdown? I hope not but that lightbulb/electricty thing would be a huge turning point if this turns out to be real. If they now have electricity, they wouldn't exactly be roughing it anymore.

I get the impression that he's a prisoner and has no idea where he is being held. So somehow they have to write him a way out of captivity without him figuring out where he was held. Tricky, but I'm sure the LOST writers can manage it.

OR he shacks up with the gal. :-)

I think that the electricity will just be part of his "flash back" story and not actually on the island.

The commercials since last week have been saying "they find out they're not alone on the island," and we see Sayid get caught in a wild boar trap (like Locke was using) and in a room, with electricity, with a strange woman about to inject him with something. If the signal has been broadcasting for 16 years, there has to be some sort of energy source to do so anyway.

You can get electricity from a number of sources, if you have water flow, some wire and some magnets you can conceivably create electricity. Can't you get electricity from a potato, seems I tried that in high school many decades ago..?

You'd need a potato the size of Idaho to light that incandescent bulb. :)

Originally posted by CPanther95
You'd need a potato the size of Idaho to light that incandescent bulb. :)

Not really, that could be a very low voltage bulb, like the kind they would use on an airplane, maybe 12V..

A bunch of coconuts in series maybe..? :p

How many lightbulbs last 16 years? Most incandescent bulbs are rated at 1,000 hours.

Lower voltage can mean longer life, although 16 yrs would be pushing it a bit...

On the other hand, theoretically, if the bulb stays on and voltage stays constant and it's not turned on and off repeatedly and ambient temperature remains constant it could last forever...lot of "ifs" and "ands" but it is possible..:)

P.S. That 1000 hr rating takes into account being turned on and off many times during it's duty cycle which shortens the life of almost any electronic component..

Originally posted by tall1
How many lightbulbs last 16 years? Most incandescent bulbs are rated at 1,000 hours.

Well, you know, originally light bulbs were made that could last forever... but they realized that there would be no consumer market for selling a light bulb and never having to replace it, so they built in a limited lifetime...

So it's not inconceivable to have a light bulb that lasts 16 years... There are probably some that have been on longer than that!

It's an island. All kinds of things wash up. Bulbs, batteries.. just about anything a plot line might need :)

Originally posted by DrDon
It's an island. All kinds of things wash up. Bulbs, batteries.. just about anything a plot line might need :)

... radioactive seeds...





:D

Originally posted by PJO1966
... radioactive seeds...
:D
Oh, Damn! You gave away the ending!

I mean, where did you think the monster came from anyways!?
:D

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Well, you know, originally light bulbs were made that could last forever... but they realized that there would be no consumer market for selling a light bulb and never having to replace it, so they built in a limited lifetime...

So it's not inconceivable to have a light bulb that lasts 16 years... There are probably some that have been on longer than that! It is conceivable but not probable that your basic incandescent bulb would be burning after 16 years. Maybe the clue is she has a stockpile of all sorts of staples....lightbulbs, toilet paper, batteries, condoms etc.

Originally posted by tall1
....lightbulbs, toilet paper, batteries, condoms etc.

....a generator that runs on sea water...:)

Well of course they have "stuff"... it was that damn WalMart supply plane that crashed 16 years ago... maybe the woman is just a big yellow smiley face with a bow and arrow and feather in her cap, knocking down low prices?

The thread views on this thread have now surpassed the views of the Programming thread.

What happens when either thread goes over the 5 digit mark?

Originally posted by definitely
What happens when either thread goes over the 5 digit mark?

AFH posts "We made it to 10k views" :D

There are many threads in the Local reception forum which have well over 200,000 views. Many of those threads are over a year or two old.

Originally posted by fhall1
Why should they necessarily have bad breath and no toothbrushes? It's only been 12 days and there's lots of luggage around...what do you pack for a plane ride? Toothbrush and toothpaste...if it's not your toothbrush, just boil it for a while to sterilize it. Then why would the Korean lady be using aloe stalks? :) I guess it's just a cultural thing… you would think such things would be plentiful, but we just never see anyone making use of them. I guess that falls under the category of assumption… much like toilet paper.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Well, you know, originally light bulbs were made that could last forever... but they realized that there would be no consumer market for selling a light bulb and never having to replace it, so they built in a limited lifetime...

So it's not inconceivable to have a light bulb that lasts 16 years... There are probably some that have been on longer than that!Riiight… along with the car that runs on water and the perpetual motion machine… :p Sorry, but entropy takes its toll on everything [perceivable]…

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Well, you know, originally light bulbs were made that could last forever... but they realized that there would be no consumer market for selling a light bulb and never having to replace it, so they built in a limited lifetime...


Actually, several years ago my wife and I had a tour of Edison's workshop in Menlo Park, NJ. They claimed that one of his original lightbulbs that they were burning has been doing so for many years. Of course, they also claimed that he had invented a way to record voices and music on vinyl.

Originally posted by Moorebid
Then why would the Korean lady be using aloe stalks? :)

The only time I saw her using aloe was when she was treating her husbands abrasions. Did she use it to brush her teeth too?

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Well, you know, originally light bulbs were made that could last forever... but they realized that there would be no consumer market for selling a light bulb and never having to replace it, so they built in a limited lifetime...

So it's not inconceivable to have a light bulb that lasts 16 years... There are probably some that have been on longer than that!

The Oldest known lit llightbulb (http://www.centennialbulb.org/facts.htm) .

So it's not inconceivable to have a light bulb that lasts 16 years... There are probably some that have been on longer than that! Such as the one in my car that says "Check engine soon."

Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
The Oldest known lit llightbulb (http://www.centennialbulb.org/facts.htm) .

See? I told you so! :D

Actually todays (consumer) light bulbs have a tungsten filament, along with (nitrogen?) gas... the tungsten has a limited life becuase it slowly burns away... but with the another type of filament (Carbon) and gas, the rate of deterioration is much slower.... of course it also has to do with how bright the bulb is burning (wattage)

But this all just proves my point, that it is not inconceivable that there could be a light bulb that has been in use for 16 years. :) (just not one of the standard consumer bulbs that you buy at WalMart... )


And remember, I'm the same guy that reminded you all that you can boil water in a paper cup... so when I contribute some knowledge on these 'scientific' things, you should just believe me... :D

If I remember correctly, the estimate of the 16-year duration of the French distress signal was made by the same guy (Said) who perfected the triangulation technique for locating the source of that signal.

So from that we must deduce the age of the light bulb to be ~16 years?:rolleyes:

Bob

Yes, but the calculation oif the distress signal is simply based upon the length of the message and the iteration.... Unless he forgot to carry the one... Maybe it's only 1.6 years old? :D

Originally posted by JayDog_2
See? I told you so! :D

Actually todays (consumer) light bulbs have a tungsten filament, along with (nitrogen?) gas... the tungsten has a limited life becuase it slowly burns away... but with the another type of filament (Carbon) and gas, the rate of deterioration is much slower.... of course it also has to do with how bright the bulb is burning (wattage)

But this all just proves my point, that it is not inconceivable that there could be a light bulb that has been in use for 16 years. :) (just not one of the standard consumer bulbs that you buy at WalMart... )


And remember, I'm the same guy that reminded you all that you can boil water in a paper cup... so when I contribute some knowledge on these 'scientific' things, you should just believe me... :D I think you have a raging argument going on with yourself. No one who has googled lightbulb will disagree there are rare examples of lightbulbs that last 16 years. But common sense, which is apparently not that common, in this case tends to make one think a standard lightbulb is the one in use on the next episode of Lost.

:D

No, just having fun... :)


Actually I find it funny to know that I'm getting some of you to 'google' some of these things... hey, If we can't learn something new everyday, then what's the point? ;)

Originally posted by JayDog_2
:D

No, just having fun... :) I know, me too :)

I am already a google-holic. The downside is you risk turning into Cliff Claven.

Watch this all be rendered moot when we see that the lightbulb and captor is actually a part of his flashback (back story) not from the island at all. :)

Originally posted by CPanther95
Watch this all be rendered moot when we see that the lightbulb and captor is actually a part of his flashback (back story) not from the island at all. :)

That just does not fit. Said in the preview has long hair and facial hair, which he would never have as a member of the Republican Guard. His age in the flashback would be very much younger during Gulf War I as well.

The needle has to be a contemporary interrogation or sedation occurring in present time on the island.

Gary

Originally posted by Gary McCoy
That just does not fit. Said in the preview has long hair and facial hair, which he would never have as a member of the Republican Guard. His age in the flashback would be very much younger during Gulf War I as well.

The needle has to be a contemporary interrogation or sedation occurring in present time on the island.

Gary

I agree, the scene is not a flashback. If I had to guess about the drug, I'd say it was a drug to blank his short term memory. Just a guess though. I know there are drugs for this (surgeons use them on patients prior to surgery in case they wake up in the middle), can't remember the name of the drug. Ironic I know :-)

Originally posted by drsimnal
. . . I practice pediatric pulmonology for a living.

ever heard of eucalyptus being used to treat asthma? i don't remember this one from med. school, as opposed to foxglove for a-fib, etc.

Could be Tetrahydrocannabinol... also found in cannabis sativa... ;)

Definitely related to short term memory loss...

Originally posted by Iteki
What would they have done when her meds ran out?

didn't boone say that one inhaler would last her a few months or that the supply that he had packed for her would last her a few months?

I'm thinking his captor is the french woman and I also think she knows why these animals are on the island. I think she was one of the "zoo keepers" and the needle she has is part of her animal meds.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Could be Tetrahydrocannabinol... also found in cannabis... ;)

Definitely related to short term memory loss...

LOL, no it was an L word....definitely an L word.... :-)

Edited for corrections:

Ok, it wasn't an L word...it was Versed:

For preoperative sedation/anxiolysis/amnesia (induction of sleepiness or drowsiness and relief of apprehension and to impair memory of perioperative events).

Originally posted by kpoon
didn't boone say that one inhaler would last her a few months or that the supply that he had packed for her would last her a few months?

Exactly...that won't last very long. Not if they are starting to wake up to the fact that noone is going to rescue them. He was thinking short term fix, even though he is one of those who believes noone is coming to rescue them. Short sighted. Or bad writing. :-)

was that a bmw m5 parked outside of sawyer's lover's house shown in the scene where he called the deal off?

Originally posted by kpoon
was that a bmw m5 parked outside of sawyer's lover's house shown in the scene where he called the deal off?

Yeah, I think it was...why do you ask?

Originally posted by Gary McCoy
That just does not fit. Said in the preview has long hair and facial hair, which he would never have as a member of the Republican Guard. His age in the flashback would be very much younger during Gulf War I as well.

The needle has to be a contemporary interrogation or sedation occurring in present time on the island.

Gary

possible that he did something while he was a Republican guard, that had him thrown in the Iraqi stockade or prison, he was there over a period of time, that he grew long hair. Possibly related to the picture of his wife or sister (was she tortured by his captures?).

I tend to believe that the lightbulb scene in the preview is not from the island but from a scene of him in prison, being tortured either by the Republican Guard or whoever his captures are.

Maybe it turns out the french woman drugs him up and he has thoughts back to his time in prison.

we'll see Wed. night!

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Could be Tetrahydrocannabinol... also found in cannabis sativa... ;)

Definitely related to short term memory loss...
Or ketamine (http://www.dancesafe.org/documents/druginfo/ketamine.php), probably used more often on animals.

Originally posted by kpoon
ever heard of eucalyptus being used to treat asthma? i don't remember this one from med. school, as opposed to foxglove for a-fib, etc.

Doubt they would teach it in med school given all the drug options available today, but apparently it's been used to treat asthma for quite some time:

http://www.nps.gov/goga/parklabs/library/plantguide/yellow-orange/eucalyptus.htm

http://www.purplesage.org.uk/profiles/eucalyptus.htm

Interesting stuff, I had no idea.

EDIT:

Ok, I did more searching and was shocked to find out that one of the main ingredients of Vick's Vap-O-Rub is EUCALYTPUS. WHen I was a kid, my mother always put that on my chest when I was sick with the flu/cold. FREAKY. She always gets on me to apply it when she hears I'm sick. She'll actually SEND me Vick's in the mail. I always thought it was an old wive's remedy, but apparently there is something to it. I'll have to run out and buy a jar in preparation for the flu season :-) THANKS MOM!

You know, people have been using natural remedies for ailments for many thousands of years before legitimate drug dealers came on the scene..

And many drugs nowadays have been developed from these natural substances.

Originally posted by keenan
You know, people have been using natural remedies for ailments for many thousands of years before legitimate drug dealers came on the scene..

And many drugs nowadays have been developed from these natural substances.

Um yeah, I think we all know this. I was just surprised about VICK'S eucalyptus connection...my mother used Vick's on us like that family on My Big Fat Greek Wedding used Windex. Funny thing was, that for chest infections/flu/etc it actually seemed to open passages up, but I always though it was from the God Awful smell.

Originally posted by Iteki
Funny thing was, that for chest infections/flu/etc it actually seemed to open passages up, but I always though it was from the God Awful smell.


:D :D :D

Back to "Lost" -- with a new twist:

ABC Teams 'Alias' with 'Lost' for Midseason

(zap2it.com)--"Desperate Housewives" has become a runaway hit for ABC this season in the Sunday timeslot formerly occupied by "Alias." That's created a bit of a dilemma -- albeit one any network would like to have -- when it came to finding a new home for the spy series.
ABC will solve that problem by pairing "Alias" with its other freshman smash, "Lost," on Wednesday nights beginning Jan. 5. Both shows are executive produced by J.J. Abrams, and ABC Entertainment president Stephen McPherson is hoping that link will help "Alias" break beyond its cult-show status in the ratings.

More details here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=440744&perpage=20&pagenumber=35

Isn't this old news? I thought this had been announced before
(I know I heard it somewhere, since I have been telling my friends about it...)

Or maybe it was a rumor before, and it's now official? :)

Regardless, Wednesday nights will be a busy night for the HD-TiVo!

Originally posted by IrmoGamecoq
Yeah, I think it was...why do you ask?

no real reason; i just like m5's!

Originally posted by fredfa
. . . ABC Entertainment president Stephen McPherson is hoping that link will help "Alias" break beyond its cult-show status in the ratings.

if abc had hyped "alias" when it 1st started as much as they hyped "lost," "alias" would have been just as popular as "lost" is now.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Isn't this old news? I thought this had been announced before
(I know I heard it somewhere, since I have been telling my friends about it...)



It was speculation before, now it's official..:)

but I always though it was from the God Awful smell.

And where, exactly, do you think that smell comes from? As someone who grew up where eucalyptus was plentiful, I can tell you that it is, how should I put this, a rather unique smell.

Originally posted by auribe14
And where, exactly, do you think that smell comes from? As someone who grew up where eucalyptus was plentiful, I can tell you that it is, how should I put this, a rather unique smell.

Sorry, no eucalyptus trees where I grew up LOL. To me Vick's was just a smelly uncomfortable gel that my mom forced on us when we were sick. Along with hot tea of course.

Originally posted by dmbatch
The only time I saw her using aloe was when she was treating her husbands abrasions. Did she use it to brush her teeth too? Remember the scene where Walt asks, "What's that for?" And she shows him? :)

Originally posted by Moorebid
Remember the scene where Walt asks, "What's that for?" And she shows him? :)
I think there are some members of this forum waiting for someone to ask Kate that very question!! :D

Originally posted by auribe14
And where, exactly, do you think that smell comes from? As someone who grew up where eucalyptus was plentiful, I can tell you that it is, how should I put this, a rather unique smell.

Not that it really has anything to do with the show... but just reminded me of where I grew up...

If anyone knows Santa Cruz, Ca... You would also know about the Natural Bridge State Park/Beach... There's a great eucalyptus grove there... Also known for their Monarch butterflies during certain times of the year...

And actually it used to be called the Natural Bridges State Park, but with the heavy surf, 2 of the 3 original bridges erroded into the ocean... In fact, its been so many years since I've been there, that they may not even have any natural bridges anymore...

Just a little trip down memory lane... :)

Originally posted by mboland
I'm thinking his captor is the french woman and I also think she knows why these animals are on the island. I think she was one of the "zoo keepers" and the needle she has is part of her animal meds.

Ah, it could be...like in Brotherhood of the Wolf.

Ahhh... so close to finding out the mystery of... the light bulb! :D

I bet tonights episode will make up for the last two episodes that some felt were too slow...

I bet tonights episode will make up for the last two episodes that some felt were too slow...

Or we find out that those eps. were representative of the pace of the show, which is minimal main plot development filled out by a lot of backstory.

AH! The answer!

The island is a Minbari outpost, their force fields took down the plane.

For those of you that didn't notice, the "French" woman is Ambassador Delenn, of the Minbari. From Babylon 5.

If G'Kar shows up, I'm gonna lose it.

"Watch the others" --- hmmmm. Remember the x-files plot where the virus/oil infected people?

So, the light is run off of a power line that leads......somewhere in the sea? I suspect the "monster" will be a bill collector who finds Danielle hasn't paid an electric bill in 16 years.

So.....did Jack make the putt?

Originally posted by daveout
So.....did Jack make the putt?
Yeah, I need to know; I have some sunscreen and a rack of boar ribs riding on it!! :)

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Ahhh... so close to finding out the mystery of... the light bulb! :D

I bet tonights episode will make up for the last two episodes that some felt were too slow...

It certainly did for me! I didn't really think that the last two were too slow, though, just sort of a natural pause in the action.

Sucks to have to wait 2 weeks for the next episode, though.:(

What happenned at the end of tonight's episode? I recorded it and as usual it ran past 9pm and I missed the end. The last thing I saw was Sayed in the jungle again.

He started hearing voices.

Whispering to be more precise.

I think i saw a naked back tonite, i am outraged, there goes ABC ruing the kids of america.

I think tonites show was weak, i thought they should have drawn out the mystery behind the distres call longer

Originally posted by tall1
I think you have a raging argument going on with yourself. No one who has googled lightbulb will disagree there are rare examples of lightbulbs that last 16 years. But common sense, which is apparently not that common, in this case tends to make one think a standard lightbulb is the one in use on the next episode of Lost. Well, to give some perspective:

The original light bulb in my mother's oven burned out just a few weeks ago. The oven is 34 years old.

A few years back the bulb in her fridge died after 20 years of service.

I traded in a Volkswagon Rabbit about ten years ago with the original lamps (minus one parking light that was replaced after behing broken by a ladder that was being unloaded from the back hatch). The car was 17 years old when I traded it in. It had the original battery, too.

I had a desk lamp whose bulb simply nearly couldn't be killed. It lasted 12 years despite taking several tumbles off my desk (once when a stack of books fell on it, once when the dog got caught on the cord, an at least twice when I was moving the desk and was too lazy to clear it off first), as well as being moved to three different apartments.

My living room floor lamp still has 2 of the three original bulbs in it 10 years later. The 4 pack of bulbs they came in cost me $0.59 - I'd say I got my money's worth, so as they continue to burn, I continue to be a happy consumer.

On the other hand, the kitchen light in my current apartment is on it's fourth pair of bulbs in 3 years. Go figure.

If, in fact, the location is a research facility as it seems to possibly be from the clues so far, it's not out of the question that they would either A) have really good industrial bulbs or B) have an ample supply in case poor power service caused them to blow quicker.

BTW: The bulbs that are still burning in Edison's lab used bamboo as their filaments. They haven't been turned off since the museum was founded because the staff fears they might not come back on if they did.

It's not a research facility.

Originally posted by dmbatch
It's not a research facility.

But their ship was, and I'm taking a leap in assuming they didn't get the lightbulbs from the Home Depot on the other side of the "Black Rock".:D

2 weeks... better be damn good.

Originally posted by seldenpat
But their ship was, and I'm taking a leap in assuming they didn't get the lightbulbs from the Home Depot on the other side of the "Black Rock".:D Only because Lowes has allready staked out that location. ;)

They can be bought at Sawyer's General Store.

Originally posted by petergaryr
So, the light is run off of a power line that leads......somewhere in the sea?
Is it possible that she's making up the "research/expedition team" story and she's really military, and the power line is coming from a sunken nuclear powered ship? Just trying to think of and "endless" power source that would be under water....

Who says that's a power line? What was her exact response to Sayid when he commented that the batteries would not have enough power for the distress call? I couldn't make out the first word of what she said. Something like "They bring it", or "they provide it".

When she said 'watch the others', I immediately thought back to when Locke encountered 'the invisible monster' face to face while first hunting for the boar. He came back, and said something later about having looked the island in the eye, and it was beautiful. Then in later episode when he talks about time delaying the rocket launch, seeming to want to pit Sayid and Sawyer against each other. Perhaps he has been 'infected'?

Good call on that! I was thinking that Brusseu (sp) was nuts and killed them all. Maybe they were infected with something and were sick. Hmm??
And what's the deal with the power line?

So does anyone know the actor who played the guy with the rash? He looked and sounded familiar, but I just can't place him. :confused:

Originally posted by snowcat
So does anyone know the actor who played the guy with the rash? He looked and sounded familiar, but I just can't place him. :confused: I think that's Scott Paulin (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0667182/). You probably need to check out the films and TV guest appearances on that page to see where you've seen him before.

Xesdeeni

Thanks!

It is Scott Paulin. While he has been a guest star all over the map (and apparently a director of quite a few shows), I think I remember him the most for 90210 as Professor Randall. Brandon was briefly dating his character's wife and got in trouble for it.

No one said it was a power line. In fact, Sayid didn't act as if it was. He did not take care to avoid the exposed metal, which looked like a wound steel cable. Also, he assumed the batteries were her source of power, not the cable. I am thinking it may be a tether to something.

So where's Alex? ;)

Alex is busy building a golf course.

New characters were introduced on this showing.

- The woman who abducted Sayid (can't recall her name now)
- The guy with the glasses (Jack was treating him for burning in his back)
- The other tall dude

Sayid's flashback was very interesting. Deep down he is a good man but contrive due to his uprising. Based on flashbacks, these are good people placed in tough situations.

This show is getting bigger and better with more substance than ever.

Originally posted by efeatherston
When she said 'watch the others', I immediately thought back to when Locke encountered 'the invisible monster' face to face while first hunting for the boar. He came back, and said something later about having looked the island in the eye, and it was beautiful. Then in later episode when he talks about time delaying the rocket launch, seeming to want to pit Sayid and Sawyer against each other. Perhaps he has been 'infected'?

Like in the movie "The Thing" or "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" some other worldly entity? At first I thought Danielle was a little off, but it did seem Sayid was also hearing the whispers at the end.

Originally posted by snowcat
So where's Alex? ;)

Is Alex a man? Danielle said Alex was "my child."

When Danielle and Sayid were pointing the guns at each other, and Sayid was questioning her about killing the others, didn't she say something along the lines of, "because we might have been rescued" or something like that? Something she said gave me the idea that she didn't want to be rescued.

Originally posted by GenoV
When Danielle and Sayid were pointing the guns at each other, and Sayid was questioning her about killing the others, didn't she say something along the lines of, "because we might have been rescued" or something like that? Something she said gave me the idea that she didn't want to be rescued.

Yes, I thought she said Alex was her child. Interesting how at first she is asking where is Alex, where is Alex. Alex is a child. Now we have the boy that is drawn to Locke all the time, and in the previews, the pregnant woman screamed something about they tried to take her baby. Maybe there is some connection to the 'others' and children?

Originally posted by hefe
Is Alex a man? Danielle said Alex was "my child."

Is Alex human? Danielle is a mad scientist. Emphasis on "mad."

I thought JJ Abrams said the mystery isn't some science fiction thing or somethign supernatural.

Lets hope it doesn't go down that path.

Because in "Lost," they can literally jump the shark.

Originally posted by shades
I think i saw a naked back tonite, i am outraged, there goes ABC ruing the kids of america.

I think tonites show was weak, i thought they should have drawn out the mystery behind the distres call longer

We're more outraged that the naked back was that of Hurley's

Did anyone else have a sudden flashback to 'Gilligans Island' when they built the golf course???

Originally posted by hefe
No one said it was a power line. Could it be Comcast/Cox/TWC? Danielle ditched the dish because of rain fade? Maybe she went mad cuz she has no HD Tivo and the SD analog looks like crap ;)

The woman's name I believe is "Rousseau" (Roo-SO)

And yah, I think Alex will turn out to be a girl, cuz that's what most people WONT think. Or maybe Alex has turned into something else, that could be what's stalking everyone? The "monster?" Remember, Rousseau said "there are no monsters" or something to that effect when Sayid told her to be careful of them when she went out with the gun. And maybe that's why she said Alex WAS her child, instead of saying Alex IS my child....

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So...how many of you thought the scenes with Sayid and Danielle a little unrealistic? I mean, once she stopped torturing me and started conversing, I would have been going a mile a minute with her...where's the big power source, who were the others, what's knocking trees over, what killed the others (supposedly Danielle did because she "had" to - but why did she feel she had to). I'd also have tried to convince her a little harder to come meet the others...

Also, in going along with past history, do you think Sayid will rejoin the others and not even tell them he met Danielle?

I firmly believe now the whole LOST story wasn't conceived ahead of time and the writers are making this up A LOT as they go along.

I don't think Sayid will make it back to the others anytime soon. That would change the dynamic too much. I thought she was going to kill him even after she lowered her gun.

Originally posted by GenoV
When Danielle and Sayid were pointing the guns at each other, and Sayid was questioning her about killing the others, didn't she say something along the lines of, "because we might have been rescued" or something like that? Something she said gave me the idea that she didn't want to be rescued. I thought that at first. But then I realized they probably meant that they had gotten sick with something from the Island. And if they got rescued, they would take it back with them, so she had to kill them. I think that's why she warned Sayid to watch the people, in case they get infected too. (I'm not saying she's not loco and making the whole thing up, just that this is what I think she was saying.)Originally posted by fhall1
I mean, once she stopped torturing me and started conversing, I would have been going a mile a minute with her...where's the big power source, who were the others, what's knocking trees over, what killed the others (supposedly Danielle did because she "had" to - but why did she feel she had to).I agree. My comment to my wife was, "what do they do? Sit in their writers' room and ask 'how can we write the most confusing dialog possible, bring up new questions, and answer as few as possible?'" Come on Sayid, several million viewers were counting on you to get some answers! :D

By the way, I gave my condolences to my friend on the death of his friend Omar ;)

Xesdeeni

Originally posted by jake14mw
What was her exact response to Sayid when he commented that the batteries would not have enough power for the distress call? I couldn't make out the first word of what she said. Something like "They bring it", or "they provide it". She said, "I transmit from somewhere else, but they control it now."

- - - - - - - -

Where did Danielle say their boat left from? And what language do they speak there? Trying to figure out why she put out her distress call in French. The crashed plane came from Australia and was ~1000 miles off course according to the pilot. Hmmmm.....

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
I thought that at first. But then I realized they probably meant that they had gotten sick with something from the Island. And if they got rescued, they would take it back with them, so she had to kill them. I think that's why she warned Sayid to watch the people, in case they get infected too. (I'm not saying she's not loco and making the whole thing up, just that this is what I think she was saying.) That's possible, but upon review, I'm not so sure.

Sayid: "You killed them."

Danielle: "I had to. What would have happened if we had been rescued? I couldn't let that happen...I won't let that happen!"

This show is starting to have more twists than the 1st season of 24.

But I like it!

I thought Danielle said they left from Haiti or Tahiti or something.


And considering how long it might take to film a single episode in Hawaii, with weather, etc., you guys really think the writers are winging it week to week, episode to episode? Personally, I would think they had the scripts for the first season done, and have at least the first half of the episodes done filming before it even started. Even if it only takes a week to film a single episode, they still have to edit it, and have it already done for previews, and even descriptions in TV Guide, etc. I bet they already have the first season scripted and finished producing (at least part-way), with plans for subsequent seasons (main plot points and connections, not scripts).

Hey guys-

Last night I watched the last 3 episodes (charlies sawyers and sayid's) because I've been out of town. Whoa! This show still rocks! One thing though, it is almost better to wait and watch a couple in a row, because one episode at a time truly is not fulfilling.

Anyway, I wonder why no one has brought up the possiblity that the "hives" that the guy has that "are spreading" isn't the disease that Danielle talked about? Just a thought.

I was also frustrated that we weren't able to get more out of her. Like most else in the show, it just led to more questions.

Finally, i have a feeling that, at least so far, this was all planned out from the beginning. First of all, we're still in the original number of shows planned, secondly, most shows initially plan to get picked up, hoping for the best. Finally, if they would have needed to, they could have cut back on the flashbacks to incorporate more of the meat in the story. As it is, they are able to take their time.

Still diggin the show!

Originally posted by efeatherston
When she said 'watch the others', I immediately thought back to when Locke encountered 'the invisible monster' face to face while first hunting for the boar. He came back, and said something later about having looked the island in the eye, and it was beautiful. Then in later episode when he talks about time delaying the rocket launch, seeming to want to pit Sayid and Sawyer against each other. Perhaps he has been 'infected'?

I think it has been made pretty clear that Locke has been "infected", "posessed", or whatever. We haven't seen or heard from the "monster" since he came face to face with it, he's been acting strange and all-knowing about the island since then, and he could have easily been the one who clobbered Sayid with the stick when he was searching for the transmission. BUT, knowing how the writers like to pull twists, we could just be falling for the bait. It may end up being somebody else- maybe someone who we find out was not on the flight manifest. Who knows?

Some other thoughts:

We know the research team's boat crashed (and probably sunk). That could be what the cable is for. It could be a power source or maybe just an anchor line.

Sayid's backstory was pretty weak in my opinion. He realizes he knows a prisoner from childhood. Then all of a sudden he's in love with her and helps her escape? I think they could have been a little more creative.

Who else thinks Sayid will perish in the forest? We know somebody will die this season, and I think it would reveal too much of the story too fast if he were to just make it back to camp.

I don't think he will die. (Somebody already did die this season--the Marshall).
I also don't think he will make it back to camp, at least not right away. Maybe he goes back to Rousseau for answers on the whisper he heard, maybe "they" capture him.
So many ways this thing can go.
What a show.

Originally posted by fhall1
So...how many of you thought the scenes with Sayid and Danielle a little unrealistic? I mean, once she stopped torturing me and started conversing, I would have been going a mile a minute with her...where's the big power source, who were the others, what's knocking trees over, what killed the others (supposedly Danielle did because she "had" to - but why did she feel she had to). I'd also have tried to convince her a little harder to come meet the others...

Also, in going along with past history, do you think Sayid will rejoin the others and not even tell them he met Danielle?

I firmly believe now the whole LOST story wasn't conceived ahead of time and the writers are making this up A LOT as they go along. Hmmm , seemed to me Sayid did ask her a bunch of those questions, pretty much one right after another. She just didn't give him direct answers. If she had, there'd be hardly any reason to watch the next ep in two weeks would there ;).

ron

This episode also supports the whole "purgatory" theory, though I think the writers are just making each character face their past as part of the story instead of as an invertention from a higher power.

Sayid tortured people for information as part of the Republican Guard, and now he is tortured for information. But because he had sympathy for a childhood friend and let her go, he himself is free to leave (eventually).

Each character appears to get a little stronger after facing thier troubled past.


One last thing...it does not appear that the woman hit Sayid on the head in the earlier episode, because she would have captured him instead. So who did it? The "others"? :confused:

Originally posted by GenoV
She said, "I transmit from somewhere else, but they control it now."

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Where did Danielle say their boat left from? And what language do they speak there? Trying to figure out why she put out her distress call in French. The crashed plane came from Australia and was ~1000 miles off course according to the pilot. Hmmmm.....

I believe she said they were 2 days out from Papeete (Tahiti, French possession) when the storm hit them. Now, that could have thrown them off course quite a bit and we don't know how long they were in the storm before they were grounded on the island. I don't know a lot about the geography in the South Pacific but it seems to me that an island as large as this one seems to be only a couple hundred miles from Tahiti would have a Hyatt and timeshares on it (not to mention a championship golf course).;)

Bob

We know the research team's boat crashed (and probably sunk). That could be what the cable is for. It could be a power source or maybe just an anchor line.


That cable looks exactly like a power line, the steel braided part is normally used for anchoring the cable itself to relieve tension on the power cable(the black sheathed cable) itself, just check out a telephone pole you'll see what I mean.

It was Tahiti that she said the ship had taken off from..

I thought she said "Fiji" - which would be consistent with the plane's route (and also Amelia Earhart :) )

Cross posting some of my comments from the TiVo forum:

Danielle said that they were "3 days out of Tahiti when our instruments malfunctioned." And then she spoke of a storm. In the first episode, the pilot said, "6 hours in, our radio went out, No one could see us." And then he said they hit turbulence.

Regarding the cable, I do not believe it was a power cable. Sayid took no care to avoid electrocuting himself by touching the exposed metal. The metal looked like a wound steel cable. I think that it is probably a tether. Perhaps their ship had a winch on it. Maybe at the other end is wreckage from the ship or instruments or a diving vessel, etc.

When Sayid commented that the batteries could not have sustained the trasmission for 16 years she said that it was "broadcast from another place." She then said something about how "they" or the "others" control it now, and insinuated that Sayid was one of them.

She also mentioned a black rock. Wasn't clear if it was a place or a thing.
In the Pilot episode, Locke holds up 2 "rocks" (gamepieces), one black, one white. In the caves, Jack finds a black rock and a white rock on one of the dead bodies.

And for some interesting information on 2 real life philosophers named "Locke" and "Rousseau" check
this post (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?postid=2372579#post2372579).

Did anyone else catch a glimpse of a wood and wire fence down in the gully when Jack and the rest first got to Hurley's golf course? Little blooper there, I think.

She definitely said the ship left Tahiti.

And that was absolutely a power cord. If the writer's didn't plan on it being a power cord in the script, then someone screwed up. The exposed metal wiring will not elecrocute anyone - it's used to anchor the power cord without stressing the power cable itself. And you can grab the rubber sheath without being elecrocuted.

Originally posted by CPanther95
I thought she said "Fiji" ... Me too ....

Well, I thought the Sayid episode was weak (my wife reminded me the show has always been like that :p). I expected more from Sayid. I thought the writers were trying to put too much into an one-hour episode and make things too confusing.

I also thought that they should have done, for the flashbacks, Arabic dialogs with English subtitles as they did with Sun's flashbacks. However, it seems Naveen Andrews may not speak Arabic well.

Hong.

Originally posted by CPanther95
I thought she said "Fiji" - which would be consistent with the plane's route (and also Amelia Earhart :) )

She said Tahiti not Fiji.

Originally posted by sbddvm
She said Tahiti not Fiji.

Correct. She said Tahiti. The pilot from the first episode said Fiji. I quoted it 6 posts up.

I did the math for the plane, maybe someone can figure a typical research vessel's speed and figure how far it would get after three days (presumably heading NW) - it should be in the neighborhood of Howland Island. ;)

Originally posted by jszafran
And that was absolutely a power cord. If the writer's didn't plan on it being a power cord in the script, then someone screwed up. The exposed metal wiring will not elecrocute anyone - it's used to anchor the power cord without stressing the power cable itself. And you can grab the rubber sheath without being elecrocuted.

You can't know that it's a power cable. Even if it is consistent with what one may look like, it's also consistent with other options.

Sayid grabbed it without any concern. He saw that it was damaged, and he touched the steel as he picked it up. With the damage that was apparent, why would you assume that none of the other insulation is breached?

Originally posted by CPanther95
I did the math for the plane, maybe someone can figure a typical research vessel's speed and figure how far it would get after three days (presumably heading NW) - it should be in the neighborhood of Howland Island. ;)

Well assuming 20-25kt per hour for 72hrs at a NW direction it would give them about 1600-2000 miles and be somewhere in the Marshall Islands. This doesn't account for current drift, weather and if they were full speed the whole trip. That area of the world has literally thousands of islands...

Originally posted by hefe
You can't know that it's a power cable. Even if it is consistent with what one may look like, it's also consistent with other options.

Sayid grabbed it without any concern. He saw that it was damaged, and he touched the steel as he picked it up. With the damage that was apparent, why would you assume that none of the other insulation is breached?

It didn't look damaged to me, what part looked damaged? That steel braided cable with the black sheathed cable is a tension reliever. The only other thing it possibly looks like is a telephone or CATV cable which I really doubt it is. I'm curious to what you think it is..

That area of the world has literally thousands of islands...
Yes, but only one magic island :).

ron

Originally posted by hongcho
...I also thought that they should have done, for the flashbacks, Arabic dialogs with English subtitles as they did with Sun's flashbacks. However, it seems Naveen Andrews may not speak Arabic well. I thought they were speaking Arabic when they first flashed back, then the camera did a slow sweep or pan past (and behind) the prisoner, and it transitioned to English?

Originally posted by snowcat
One last thing...it does not appear that the woman hit Sayid on the head in the earlier episode, because she would have captured him instead. So who did it? The "others"? :confused:

that's what I'm thinking after seeing last night's episode. The skeletons that Jack and Freckles found in the cave was either a member of the "the others" or maybe Alex and the other person that Rousseau was with.

During the Sayid flashback when he was torturing the prisoner the conversation did start out in Arabic w/ subtitles and then switched to English because ABC got tired of typing to the screen.

As for the next episode, maybe the voices start occurring around the beach and the pregnant chick starts hearing them.

Originally posted by NorthJersey
During the Sayid flashback when he was torturing the prisoner the conversation did start out in Arabic w/ subtitles and then switched to English because ABC got tired of typing to the screen.
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Yeah but if he was telling the story to the woman, it would be in English...besides a majority of ABC viewers can't read that well..

Originally posted by John Haghighi
Yeah but if he was telling the story to the woman, it would be in English...besides a majority of ABC viewers can't read that well..

Pretty unnecessary dig on your fellow viewers there. Some viewers find subtitles distracting, it's a matter of preference. I prefer to hear the original language and deal with the subtitles. Brotherhood of the Wolf, for example, was much more enjoyable to me in French with subtitles.

Originally posted by John Haghighi
...besides a majority of ABC viewers can't read that well..

:eek: :eek:

Originally posted by keenan
It didn't look damaged to me, what part looked damaged? That steel braided cable with the black sheathed cable is a tension reliever. The only other thing it possibly looks like is a telephone or CATV cable which I really doubt it is. I'm curious to what you think it is..

The whole point is that I don't know what it is, and neither does anyone else. They never say, so you can only speculate. You can't know for sure.

Upon my first look, without going back and looking closely, I thought that the exposed innards of the line was damage. If you're saying that it's a tension reliever, well then what would that be doing on an underwater line, and why didn't we see more of them as Sayid followed the line up the beach?

Originally posted by John Haghighi
Yeah but if he was telling the story to the woman, it would be in English...besides a majority of ABC viewers can't read that well..

He wasn't telling the story. He even went unconscious and we still flashed back.

Didn't have any trouble reading the subtitles for Korean a few epidoes back...

Originally posted by hefe
The whole point is that I don't know what it is, and neither does anyone else. They never say, so you can only speculate. You can't know for sure.

Upon my first look, without going back and looking closely, I thought that the exposed innards of the line was damage. If you're saying that it's a tension reliever, well then what would that be doing on an underwater line, and why didn't we see more of them as Sayid followed the line up the beach?

You're right we can't know for sure, but without beating this to death any more, the tensioner would be used to prevent the cable from stretching from any number of outside stimuli, like tidal currents, a whale flossing it's teeth with it..:D

Originally posted by hefe
Didn't have any trouble reading the subtitles for Korean a few epidoes back...

I think the reason the episode around the Koreans kept in all in Korean was that so when the woman actually spoke English for the first time, it would have more impact, since we had not heard her speak any English.

Originally posted by keenan
You're right we can't know for sure, but without beating this to death any more, the tensioner would be used to prevent the cable from stretching from any number of outside stimuli, like tidal currents, a whale flossing it's teeth with it..:D

They use exposed steel in salt water? :confused:

Originally posted by efeatherston
I think the reason the episode around the Koreans kept in all in Korean was that so when the woman actually spoke English for the first time, it would have more impact, since we had not heard her speak any English.

Yes, I believe that's true, and it worked. I would not have had a problem with the Arabic being subtitled, though.

Maybe they're on Living Island and the monster is Pufnstuf ;-)

Originally posted by hefe
They use exposed steel in salt water? :confused:

Not plain exposed steel, it was shiny. It could be freshly galvanised or stainless cable - in any case it had only been there days at best, it was hardly buried. If it had been there 16 years, the exposed metal would have corroded, the insulation would have weathered, and the whole cable would have been feet (not inches) from the surface.

It was definately a low voltage cable of some sort, either telephone or other communications, or remote sensors (TV, microphone, etc.).

As for the underlying plot being exposed piece by piece - I'm now of the opinion the show is fantasy, not science fiction. There will ultimately be a (for me) less satisfying explanation of all this. It may be that the writers think they are writing SF - but as we were mercilessly dissecting all potential technical flaws in this thread, I realized that either they were really sloppy with such details, or the mysticism element was deliberate.

Purgatory - possibly. However that is a particularly Judeo-Christian concept and there are other faiths present plus a lot of folks that appear to be entirely secular. Something else, I think, other than Limbo/Purgatory.

Gary

They did the same thing with the foreign dialog that I've seen alot when it's going to go on for awhile - they zoom in close as they're speaking and then it changes to English, then they zoom back out. The first time I remember seeing this is in The Hunt for Red October.

Originally posted by Gary McCoy
As for the underlying plot being exposed piece by piece - I'm now of the opinion the show is fantasy, not science fiction.

With David Fury (formerly of Angel and Buffy the Vampire Slayer) as a co-exec producer and writer, I'm thinking your opinion may be heading in the right direction.

Originally posted by CPanther95
They did the same thing with the foreign dialog that I've seen alot when it's going to go on for awhile - they zoom in close as they're speaking and then it changes to English, then they zoom back out. The first time I remember seeing this is in The Hunt for Red October.

It's a technique thats been used a lot, check Clear and Present Danger...its subtitled until the slow motion baseball pitch (a transition, if you will).
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At first I thought everyone on the island was dead and in purgatory...makes sense with all the flashbacks and such, the black and white-good and evil clues....even the intro is "ghostly"...but the writers have been throwing more and more clues to push the viewer in this direction, which makes me think "red herring".

Purgatory - possibly. However that is a particularly Judeo-Christian concept and there are other faiths present
Just because you're not Judeo-Christian, doesn't mean your beliefs are the right ones (and vice-versa).

There are so many different beliefs out there, someone has to be wrong. Purgatory has every bit a chance of existing as does reincarnation...

On the other hand, I think the explanation is much more earthly, and much more sinister...

--Dan

Originally posted by danco
has[/i] to be wrong.

--Dan

No, there doesn't, that's why it's called a belief and not a proven fact.

The co-creator of the show has stated in several interviews that the survivors are not dead, not in purgatory, etc.

Originally posted by Moorebid
Remember the scene where Walt asks, "What's that for?" And she shows him? :) Originally posted by labmansid
I think there are some members of this forum waiting for someone to ask Kate that very question!! :D No, they're waiting for, "What are those for?" ;) Unless your mind is further in the gutter, so to speak…

Originally posted by rcwalters
For those of you that didn't notice, the "French" woman is Ambassador Delenn, of the Minbari. From Babylon 5. Yeah, I recognized her voice immediatately. "In Valen's name!"

Originally posted by efeatherston
When she said 'watch the others', I immediately thought back to when Locke encountered 'the invisible monster' face to face while first hunting for the boar. He came back, and said something later about having looked the island in the eye, and it was beautiful. Then in later episode when he talks about time delaying the rocket launch, seeming to want to pit Sayid and Sawyer against each other. Perhaps he has been 'infected'?Very valid reasoning… and all I had going for me was the assumption that he had the most reason to want to stay, that's why he would've hit Sayid over the head. That was before the following episode where he was trying to pit Sayid and Sawyer against each other, which further hinted that he was the responsible party; and now this, which completely cements Locke as guilty in my mind… which means it must be the complete opposite. :p

Originally posted by R11
Yes, but only one magic island :).You don't know that… :cool:

Originally posted by danco
Just because you're not Judeo-Christian, doesn't mean your beliefs are the right ones (and vice-versa).

There are so many different beliefs out there, someone has to be wrong.Not necessarily… as this island may prove, one's life - and afterlife - may be of one's own making. :rolleyes:

danco said:
There are so many different beliefs out there, someone has to be wrong....But there's no particular superstition that has to be right, either! ;) They're probably all invalid.

seldenpat said:
Did anyone else catch a glimpse of a wood and wire fence down in the gully when Jack and the rest first got to Hurley's golf course? Little blooper there, I think.Yeah. Also, a minute earlier, at 25 minutes into the hour, there was a line of what must be fence posts in the distance (on the right side) -- too far away to see any wire. Then, as the camera pans left across the meadow (!) you can see a dirt road running along its edge, far below. Finally there's your wood-and-wire fence, much closer than the first one. You can see some of the posts are yellow and black, and (on my 50" Sammy DLP) you can almost see wires.

LOL, yea I saw all that too. You would think they would have done a better job of a least covering up the fence posts.

I'm sure very few people noticed the fences, especially since the majority of people watch it in SD.

or maybe they were intentianally left in.
That woman has been here 16 years, maybe she built fences to keep wild boars out of her camp (or in to raise).
Maybe she has made a dirt path walking back and forth to the same places umpteen thousand times a year.
I thought i recalled reading here that the creator said everything has significance-or something like that.

....and maybe she painted it black and yellow because she's a Steeler fan. :)

Last night I went back and watched the scenes with Sayid and Rousseau to get a second listen at the dialog and I caught something that I did not catch the first time. I have also not heard anyone bring it up.

It was in the scene where she was pointing the gun at Sayid and she was explaining to him why she thought that she had to kill them. She said she had to do it because they were already “LOST”. It may not be a big deal but up to this point I thought everyone on the island was already LOST. Maybe they are not truly lost until the are infected.

Given the fact that Rousseau thought it was necessary kill everyone who wanted off the island and the fact that she said someone else was in control of the distress call I’m starting to think that she is not all that crazy after all. In her mind it’s about saving everyone else from what ever is on the island. The island or who ever is controlling the distress call wants others to come. It’s the same controlling force that is causing the accidents that result in more people being stranded on this island.

Who knows where this could lead? I’m thinking this has been going on for a very long time. The people who were laid to rest in the caves had to be a completely different set of survivors than the science team.

Great stuff... so much speculation... Lots of good theories...

I don't know what to believe anymore... :)

After reading comments about Locke being the one who hit Sayid on the head, this sounds very possible. The idea of an 'infection', 'virus' or something of the like taking control of people sounds very likely...

And for all we know the cable could be a teaser for someone to find that leads them to a trap (the very same trap that Sayid got caught in.) Maybe it does serve another purpose (power?) but obviously Danielle set it up to trap anyone following it. The trip wire was a diversion, or at least was a secondary trap.

Someone (in this forum) also mentioned that they didn't believe that wire could've been there for 16 years, but I disagree. Having lived in Santa Cruz most of my life, I know that errosion on a beach can change quite drastically causing something to be buried, revealed many times over.

2 weeks until the next one...

Originally posted by CPanther95
....and maybe she painted it black and yellow because she's a Steeler fan. :)

Well then she has definitely lost her mind. ;)

Also interesting...

Two new characters in this episode...

The rash man - Could this be related to the 'infection'?
and Ethan (who was only shown briefly in the beginning with Locke)
and info from TVTome on the next episode tells us that...
Ethan was not on the flights manifest, as Hurly somehow finds out. Could he be one of the 'others'? or maybe his real name is Alex? Hmmm...

Edited to correct name of new character (thought it was Heath, actually is Ethan)

Good theory about Alex, I'm assuming he's still alive since Rousseau was asking where he was. His name was coming up a lot which leads me to believe he will be an integral part of the story later on. Maybe he looked into the eye of the monster also and is now "Lost" as well?

And the more I think about it, a possible connection between Locke and Ethan...
(Spoiler Tag because it's speculation based on a spoiler description of next episode)
We all think that Locke now has some connection with the Island, or with the 'others' on the island because of what he 'saw' of the 'monster'. It seems to me that if Ethan was not a part of the original flight that Ethan and Locke may be working together now to infiltrate the group of survivors to serve whatever purpose they have. It is just interesting that Ethan happens to have been 'hunting' with Locke in the woods at night (which they indicated at the beginning of the episode) and Jack and Hurly felt that was too dangerous, but Locke and Ethan didn't seem to have an issue with the danger... because they are part of it..

Edited to correct name of new character.. (thought it was Heath, actually is Ethan)

Okay, no more Spoilers here (although TVTome has a few good ones.. :) )

Anybody else catch this?
When Danielle grabbed her gun (when she and Sayid heard noises) she said "If we're lucky it's only one of the bears..."

If one is to read into that you would conclude that there is more than one bear roaming the island, and also that there is something worse.. but not a monster because "There is no such thing as monsters" as Danielle points out.


Oh yeah, and even though I voted Shannon as the most annoying character in that other thread... She looked pretty damn good in that 2-peice! ;)

Jay_Dog: I have resisted reading TV Tome for this very reason. Even though I cannot resist reading them damn spoiler tags. I have changed my mind about the 16 year old light bulb theory too. You may be right. If this was a scientific expedition that was going to be out on some deserted island for years, they probably brought the most durable, industrial strength supplies along...that would include light bulbs <eating crow>. I also just found out Maggie Grace (Shannon) is 21. Not 16 as had been rumored...yes! She looked hot in that teenie weenie bikini.

Yeah, I figured as much.. I can't resist reading the Spoiler tags here either.... it's too easy... I could go on with more speculation based on TVTomes future episode descriptions, but I'd rather let those who really want to know find the spoilers themselves...

I'll keep my future speculation based on these spoilers to myself... or at least contain it only to the next episode, and not episodes even further down the road. (all of my current spoilers/speculation is limited to the next episode...beyond that, things really get interesting!)

I don't really think TVTome gives away too much info, but it does give enough away that you at least know what twists may be coming...

Well which part of TVTome are we supposed to believe:
http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/PersonDetail/personid-169713 saysEthan, the character he protrays in ABC's "Lost", was on the flight with everyone else. We just haven't see him in previous episodes.while http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/GuidePageServlet/showid-24313/epid-366355/ says Hurley is shocked and confused when he discovers that Ethan, another plane crash survivor, does not appear on the flight manifest.Well, I guess they could both be right ifthe manifest was wrong.Xesdeeni

"Find out the answer to this, and much more on the next episode of Lost!"
:)

I think the newly-introduced "Rash Man" is a goner. He's about to grow a pod around him and morph into some kind of critter, becoming "Lost".

He was annoying enough and they didn't waste an episode on his back story, and if they ever said his name I failed to notice.

So he's disposable, a "Red Shirt" whose death will add drama, as was the case with the beach swimmer.

What I wanna know, is why is nobody building a raft, sailboat, etc. Tom Hanks escaped with a lot fewer resources from his island.

Of course he was only cast away, not Lost.

For that matter, why is Sayid the only one walking around? They have no reason to believe they are on an island. In fact they might be within say a half days walk from a Tasmanian shopping mall, nobody has checked.

Gary

I strongly believe that the Rousseau science team has nothing to do with "Adam and Eve". To me there is strong evidence of multiple groups of castaways. I think Jack knew what he was talking about when he said they had been dead 40-50 years and I also think the writers use some of the characters to convey facts. To think Jack may have been mistaken is not the way to go.

The black stones that were in the pouch attached to "Adam" have to be something related to the Black Rock that Rousseau refers to. I'm now wondering if there is not also a White Rock located somewhere on the island.

I have a strange theory about these rocks now. It dates back to the second part of the pilot. We all remember Locke telling Walt about the backgammon game and the "light" and "dark" stones. I think we can also agree that this scene had great significance. Later we find out that the grave of "Adam" has similar stones. Now we have Rousseau telling Sayid about a "Black Rock". All of this leads to some significance; the question is what that significance is. My thinking is that somehow possession of these stones was the key to survival. I remember Jack saying something about the bodies of Adam and Eve appearing old if not elderly when they died. It's also evident that they were not killed by one of the island beast and were placed in this final resting place in a dignified way. Did the stones somehow provide protection? Did Adam know this and purposely attach them to himself so when he did die that the next group of castaways would find them and they also bring them protection? Maybe you need the light and dark stones. Maybe somehow having each balance the forces of good and evil. We already know most all the characters each have a bit of light and dark inside.

Jack has the stones now and I'd be willing to bet he has some good luck on his side.

Anyway, just more to think about.

For that matter, why is Sayid the only one walking around? They have no reason to believe they are on an island. In fact they might be within say a half days walk from a Tasmanian shopping mall, nobody has checked.

They would be ripping off an episode of the Simpsons in that case. :D

Wheres the power source? Not car batteries for 16 years. What's the cable for?

How's this for a (designed-in) blooper? Near the end (at 59:00), a knife thuds into a big tree and vibrates; then we see an out-of-focus Locke in back of the knife — off to one side of the throwing line. Locke comes forward, staying on camera and following the impossible line-of-flight, to pull the knife from the tree.

Locke says to the unseen kid behind him, "Does your father know you're here?" The kid, now visible, shakes his head, then says, "Can you teach me how to do that?"

Hell, maybe we'd all like to know how to throw a knife from the side, yet still have it end up vibrating as if it was thrown straight! ;)

Originally posted by efeatherston
I think the reason the episode around the Koreans kept in all in Korean was that so when the woman actually spoke English for the first time, it would have more impact, since we had not heard her speak any English.


I'd agree with that. Even though I am frustrated with the plot, I'll still continue to watch because the islands scenes look spectacular in HD.

Majority of TV viewers hate subtitles, most Americans miss great foreign films because of subtitles..

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Okay, no more Spoilers here (although TVTome has a few good ones.. :) )

Anybody else catch this?
When Danielle grabbed her gun (when she and Sayid heard noises) she said "If we're lucky it's only one of the bears..."

If one is to read into that you would conclude that there is more than one bear roaming the island, and also that there is something worse.. but not a monster because "There is no such thing as monsters" as Danielle points out.

About the bears...
A cargo plane with a bunch of zoo animals, including bears, crashed on the Island before they did...

Also, somebody asked this before.
Jack's Father's body WAS on the plane.

And if anybody wants to know how Kate's past is revealed
In a later episode, Sawyer and Kate stumble upon a waterfall that looks breathtakingly beautiful on the surface … but when they jump in, they find some disturbing plane wreckage, including the key to Kate’s story. Jack is going to get beaten to a bloody pulp in the same episode.

And I just found this out about one of the main characters
Someone on the show is on serious medication (mind-altering), and they are running out.

By the way, that guy who plays Ethan is Tom Cruise's cousin and has been in quite a few movies, so he's not going away for a while and besides...
The shows writers indicated that if a bunch of people run off into the woods and something bad happens to one of them, the main characters will be the least likely to come back. Pretty exciting huh?

As an aside...I wonder if any of the show's production staff (maybe even J.J. Abrams, himself) reads this forum. And if they do, how much enjoyment they must get out all our theories and speculation?

--Dan

Originally posted by danco
As an aside...I wonder if any of the show's production staff (maybe even J.J. Abrams, himself) reads this forum. And if they do, how much enjoyment they must get out all our theories and speculation?

--Dan

Hunt down the email address for his production company and email the thread link to them, it would be cool he made a couple posts here, seems like the sort that would do that..

I'm sure there are tons of Lost discussions going on. I now of a couple at forums which aren't even about TV specifically.

Then there is supposedly a site called www.lost-tv.com. Not to mention TWoP.

He sure knows how to generate buzz.

Does anyone think that Ethan could really be Alex?

Originally posted by danco
As an aside...I wonder if any of the show's production staff (maybe even J.J. Abrams, himself) reads this forum. And if they do, how much enjoyment they must get out all our theories and speculation?

--Dan
Haha...the writers and J.J. himself have their own forum to speak with fans directly and hear all their theories, which is where I get my spoilers. Sometimes the stars actually come on and say a few words. Jorge Garcia, who plays Hurley was just on last night. (He posts under the name "ThinkImGonnaHurley") Also, if you want to know something about the show, ask, and many times one of the writers will answer you, or even Evangeline Lilly herself when somebody finally shows her how to use the forum. :D

Anyway, the forum is called the Fuselage and its a smart way to get more material for future episodes since we can think of a lot more stuff as well as gauge our interest and analyze us to see just how exactly they can keep us entertained.

http://www.thefuselage.com

Originally posted by seldenpat
Did anyone else catch a glimpse of a wood and wire fence down in the gully when Jack and the rest first got to Hurley's golf course? Little blooper there, I think.

Same fence made an appearance several episodes ago ;)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4605404&highlight=fence#post4605404

Does anyone remember the actor who plays the character Rouseau being in Babylon 5 ? She was a Menbari right .

Rousseau = Mira Furlan from B5

Mira Furlan Filmography (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0001245/)

Here's a feature article (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/21/arts/television/21mill.html?oref=login) about Lost's creator/writer, J.J. Abrams, by the NY Times' Laura Miller today (free subscription needed, within 1 week). More Lost minutia. -- John

Maybe I missed this...... but I'm pretty sure I didnt..... what was Sayids reason for being in Australia and heading to the U.S.?

Also according to IMDB William Mapother (Ethan) only appears in 3 eps.

Originally posted by Vlad_Dracule
Maybe I missed this...... but I'm pretty sure I didnt..... what was Sayids reason for being in Australia and heading to the U.S.?

Also according to IMDB William Mapother (Ethan) only appears in 3 eps.

They never got into that.

I did no more than scan recent posts, don't want to read any spoilers, and didn't see what I was looking for. Any word on when episode 1 might be repeated?

As to repeats of the 'Pilot' episode... Probably not until after the season ends... or maybe they'll make you wait for the DVD Box set next year... :)
(just guessing though...)

And yes, So far Sayid's backstory has not shown anything related to his being in Australia, etc... But they will re-visit his story again, I'm sure... Future episodes show that they will contain more backstory info for the other characters as well (Like Kate's mysterious crime, more about Jack's father situation, etc....)

Originally posted by GregF
I did no more than scan recent posts, don't want to read any spoilers, and didn't see what I was looking for. Any word on when episode 1 might be repeated?

There's a few folks here who have mentioned it can be downloaded using a bit-torrent client or something....

Originally posted by keenan
There's a few folks here who have mentioned it can be downloaded using a bit-torrent client or something....

That's true (although that might be a restricted area of conversation) but it's a long way from that to watching it in HD on my HDTV set so I'm hoping to just catch the show in re-runs.

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Yes, this last episode had my wife groaning some... "What's with all the stereo-typing?"

I mean, come on... we got an Iraqi (ex-republican guard) who just happened to be up on practices of torture... Which may fit, but still.... The one Iraqi on the plane just happens to be this type of guy? I guess all Iraqi's fit this description? I think the writers need to be more careful about stereo-typing the characters.


Given, the single Iraqi on the plane being a former Republican Guard interrogation officer could be seen as in bad taste or taking advantage of current events, but...

There's a difference between stereotypical characters and archetypal characters. Archetypes are everywhere...a basic storytelling element. Otherwise, we'd have to know a lot more detail about each character before we cared about them (positively or negatively).

Though in the case of Lost everyone seems to be the "troubled" version of their archetype...noone's squeaky clean so far, at least not anyone who's backstory we've seen.

Originally posted by GenoV
That's possible, but upon review, I'm not so sure.

Sayid: "You killed them."

Danielle: "I had to. What would have happened if we had been rescued? I couldn't let that happen...I won't let that happen!"

I wondered if their research (or whatever) had run them head-on into some killer disease/bug/bioweapon. Maybe the guy with hives is something more...?

Originally posted by bierboy
I thought they were speaking Arabic when they first flashed back, then the camera did a slow sweep or pan past (and behind) the prisoner, and it transitioned to English?

It did. A la the Russian to English transition in "The Hunt for Red October."

EDIT: Looks like CPanther beat me to the punch here...let this be a lesson that you can't miss a thread like this for a week and expect to be relevant when you come back. ;)

So far, the only people they've for sure revealed why they were in Australia are Locke and Charlie. Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sawyer and the Koreans we're not totally sure exactly what they were doing. There's speculation, and they've hinted for a few of them, but they have yet to show us exactly what they were doing there.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
So far, the only people they've for sure revealed why they were in Australia are Locke and Charlie. Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sawyer and the Koreans we're not totally sure exactly what they were doing. There's speculation, and they've hinted for a few of them, but they have yet to show us exactly what they were doing there.

Jack was there to bring his father back, remember? His father died in Australia and Jack was bringing his body back home.

What we don't know is what happened to Jack prior to that...is he still a doctor, or did some scandal occur?

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
So far, the only people they've for sure revealed why they were in Australia are Locke and Charlie. Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sawyer and the Koreans we're not totally sure exactly what they were doing. There's speculation, and they've hinted for a few of them, but they have yet to show us exactly what they were doing there.

Jack was there to bring his father back, remember? His father died in Australia and Jack was bringing his body back home.

What we don't know is what happened to Jack prior to that...is he still a doctor, or did some scandal occur?

His conversation with his mother was very cryptic.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
So far, the only people they've for sure revealed why they were in Australia are Locke and Charlie. Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sawyer and the Koreans we're not totally sure exactly what they were doing. There's speculation, and they've hinted for a few of them, but they have yet to show us exactly what they were doing there.

We know Jack was there getting his dead father to bring him back to the states for funeral and burial.

Edit: If only i could type with more than my two index fingers, i might have beaten Iteki on this one.

There are HR (High Resolution) versions of Lost that can be downloaded off Bit Torrent websites that are very excellent quality... these files are 700mb, twice the size (and quality, imho) of the usual Xvid HDTV files that are 350mb. I'd post a link, but I'm not sure if it's allowed...

there are also high resolution transport streams posted to newsgroups(though you may have a hard time going back to ep.1 now), they are many gigs for an hour show,

but then again this is going astray

Originally posted by GregF
That's true (although that might be a restricted area of conversation) but it's a long way from that to watching it in HD on my HDTV set so I'm hoping to just catch the show in re-runs.

Is the first one the only one you've missed? You really didn't miss much, this thread and the ABC site can probably fill in any blanks, plus the following episodes have done a lot of backtracking, many times using the original footage..

But I hear you, it ain't like seeing it on your TV in HD... :)

I'm waiting for the Kate story to be rerun. The whole Bit Torrent thing confused me.

Originally posted by bierboy
I thought they were speaking Arabic when they first flashed back, then the camera did a slow sweep or pan past (and behind) the prisoner, and it transitioned to English?

Similar to what was done with Sean Connery in "The Hunt For Red October"... he started addressing the crew in Russian (with English subtitles), then the camera slowly zoomed in on his mouth until he changed to English... then zoomed back out.

Don't mind reading subtitles either, but I like the way they made the transition.

Actually, the KGB officer was reading a passage from the Bible to Sean Connery's character and the transition occured on the word "Armegeddon" which presumably is the same in both languages.

So nobody has noticed that the connection between all the main characters who have had flashbacks so far is that something happened in their lives that was completely different from what was originally intended because of their personal choice?

1. Kate: saved the farmer who was gonna turn her in, got herself caught
2. Jack: father went missing and he had to pick him up, he died instead. Might have actually turned his father in for malpractice too. His life is all a bunch of "should haves but didn'ts" He didn't want to be a doctor at first, and remember the first scene in his episode when he tried to save his friend, and the other boy says, "You shoulda stayed down, Jack" and hits him.
3. Charlie: Was going to quit the band, but ended up in worse crap than his brother
4. Sayid: Instead of following orders, he kills a fellow guard and saves Nadia from prison/torture.
5. Locke: He didn't fulfill his destiny. His choice to be on that Walkabout was extinguished at the travel agency. (interesting how his choice was ultimately the only one made for him, and then...magically I guess, the island gave him what he wanted. His legs back.)
6. Sun: Should have left her husband who is probably doing illegal things for her father, but stays at the last minute to take the flight with Jin.
7. Sawyer: Was supposed to hunt the man who messed up his life and ended up becoming him instead.

We should expect another "shoulda but didnt" in the next episode, which is about Claire.

Lots of people have noticed these things. I've you've been with the thread since it started, these things have been discussed in depth.

Originally posted by keenan
Is the first one the only one you've missed? You really didn't miss much, this thread and the ABC site can probably fill in any blanks, plus the following episodes have done a lot of backtracking, many times using the original footage..

But I hear you, it ain't like seeing it on your TV in HD... :)

Actually I originally decided to give it a miss then after seeing what a loyal following it has to date. I decided a few weeks ago to catch it in reruns from the beginning, so I haven't seen any episodes. I'd rather see them from the start. I'm one of those guys if I hear someone talking spoilers, I close my ears and sing "LALALALALALALA", which is a little undignified at my age heheh.

Originally posted by GregF
Actually I originally decided to give it a miss then after seeing what a loyal following it has to date. I decided a few weeks ago to catch it in reruns from the beginning, so I haven't seen any episodes. I'd rather see them from the start. I'm one of those guys if I hear someone talking spoilers, I close my ears and sing "LALALALALALALA", which is a little undignified at my age heheh.

:D :D :D

Originally posted by GregF
Actually I originally decided to give it a miss then after seeing what a loyal following it has to date. I decided a few weeks ago to catch it in reruns from the beginning, so I haven't seen any episodes. I'd rather see them from the start. I'm one of those guys if I hear someone talking spoilers, I close my ears and sing "LALALALALALALA", which is a little undignified at my age heheh.

http://members.cox.net/dbatchelor2/smileyLalalala.gif

Just a few screengrabs from last week.....

I think you've been alone for too long (http://www.mictaservice.com/images/hdcaps/crazy_danielle.jpg)

Shannon "on display" (http://www.mictaservice.com/images/hdcaps/shannon.jpg)

Originally posted by GenoV
Just a few screengrabs from last week.....

I think you've been alone for too long (http://www.mictaservice.com/images/hdcaps/crazy_danielle.jpg)

Shannon "on display" (http://www.mictaservice.com/images/hdcaps/shannon.jpg) So is Shannon really Ginger and Kate is Mary Ann? Years from now my boys will be debating who was hotter, Shannon or Kate? ;)

Originally posted by tall1
So is Shannon really Ginger and Kate is Mary Ann? Years from now my boys will be debating who was hotter, Shannon or Kate? ;)

if so I guess we all know who Hurley is

Originally posted by hefe
Lots of people have noticed these things. If you've been with the thread since it started, these things have been discussed in depth. Agreed. These last few pages have been replete with "revelations." Revelations that have already been made many times before.

Oh well. It's all good. :p

Well, since we've still got another week to kill until the next episode, we gotta have something to talk about... even if its already been covered... :)

Lets see more pictures of Shannon in her bikini... or Kate in her underwear! :D

sigh... no new Lost this week... i feel lost

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Well, since we've still got another week to kill until the next episode, we gotta have something to talk about... even if its already been covered... :)

Lets see more pictures of Shannon in her bikini... or Kate in her underwear! :D


I wonder how long it will be before someone else informs us that the language translation is similar to what they did in The Hunt for Red October?

They did a similar language translation in "Hunt for the Red October".











;) Sorry, couldn't resist.

Originally posted by rcwalters
I wonder how long it will be before someone else informs us that the language translation is similar to what they did in The Hunt for Red October?

Guess I missed a page back there...:o

That's what happens when you miss too many posts and try to skim to catch up!!

I'm surprised no one has said anything about the LOST cover story in the new Entertainment Weekly. While it is riddled with spoilers, my personal favorite non-spoiler was when they asked Terry O'Quinn (Locke) what the monster looked like (since his is the only character to see it), and he said it looked like a "camera on a long stick" (since the shot was the monster's POV).

Interesting reading.

Judging from this week's commercial, Sayid returns to the fold this week...so much for the theory he was going to be gone for a while. Now...does he keep the fact that he met another person a secret, as per every other thing people have seen in prior episodes...or does he tell folks about her right away?

In this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4727565) about Seinfeld, a poster wrote that the 2-hour pilot will be aired on December 19th.

Is that rumor or valid information?

I think he would at least tell Jack (they seemed pretty tight during the Sawyer thing!), and possibly the whole "inner circle".

100 pages and 2,000 replies! Wow!

Wednesday can't get here fast enough.

Wow- this thread has no business on page 2. As for tomorrow night's episode, does anyone have any spoilers they'd care to share?

Yes, but it's easier to just tell you to read them yourself at:
http://www.tvtome.com/Lost/guide.html

Pilot rebroadcast?
I posted this question the other day. Thought I'd try again:

In this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/show...&postid=4727565) about Seinfeld, a poster wrote that the 2-hour pilot will be aired on December 19th.

Is that rumor or valid information?

Oh boy, is next week gonna be good!

Paul

Best show on TV! Great episode tonight.

Houston started lost, but is now showing some X-mas show???????


what the heck?????????