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R11

11-09-06, 04:00 PM

danc8379

11-09-06, 04:12 PM

Ok, but I think what most people want are some explanations for what's going on. And we haven't gotten that at all. So they lived in a suburban community--that doesn't explain anything. In fact it just raises more questions that aren't being answered. They showed the plane crash--I guess that was cool, but we already knew that it crashed and that they sent infiltrators to mix in with the survivors. Yes, we found out that the others have detailed info about the survivors, but once again that just raises more unanswered questions about how and why. Same with the experiments--why were the done? They have enough unanswered questions from the first two seasons that they could answer a few of those before just throwing a whole new batch at us.

michaelk

11-09-06, 04:59 PM

..
- We learned that Jae was either killed or committed suicide
...

Sun's boy friend?

sleeks

11-09-06, 05:02 PM

The tickets were to Costa Rica for their honeymoon. She couldn't go, because there was no way she would be able to get a passport. She didn't kill her husband, she just drugged him so she could get away. It also gave him an alibi (sp?) of sorts, so that he could say that he didn't know she was a fugitive, thereby protecting his job (Kate said all of this).

We don't know exactly how she got to Australia...can only assume that she was running from the marshal...but how she got there w/o a passport is a mystery.

A passport could have been obtained easy enough. She had a whole new identity that she had hid from a cop. Drivers license, social security card, etc. She could have picked up a fake passport easy enough.

petergaryr

11-09-06, 05:03 PM

The story was that Jack was performing back surgery on a teenage girl, and he screwed up, slipped the scalpel, whatever, and hit a nerve bundle, that then spilled out like spaghetti. To keep from panicking, he closed his eyes, and very slowly counted to 5. Kate then used this strategy when hiding in some trees after being chased by the monster.

Thank you!!!!

optivity

11-09-06, 05:38 PM

Did Sawyer tell Kate they were on a different island before or after she talked to Jack in the holding cell?Are they "really" on a different island? When Jack, Kate & Sawyer were taken prisoner by the others... if Ben arrived at the dock using the boat from season 1, which he turned over to Michael & Walt, how did the others transport them to a different island?

Not having a boat might explain Ben's keen interest in taking the sail boat from Sayid, Jin & Sun. Perhaps Ben decided to show Sawyer "another" island that could only be seen from their location in order to stifle any further escape attempts?

rantanamo

11-09-06, 05:51 PM

After seeing all we've seen, does anyone still think Walt has any special powers? Or is it perhaps that children are more genuine of thought, and perhaps a bit of a buffer to Ol' Smokey? Perhaps they can be raised to OR simply can control the monster. Which is why they wanted Walt.

Iteki

11-09-06, 05:55 PM

Are they "really" on a different island? When Jack, Kate & Sawyer were taken prisoner by the others... if Ben arrived at the dock using the boat from season 1, which he turned over to Michael & Walt, how did the others transport them to a different island?

Not having a boat might explain Ben's keen interest in taking the sail boat from Sayid, Jin & Sun. Perhaps Ben decided to show Sawyer "another" island that could only be seen from their location in order to stifle any further escape attempts?

They've mentioned a sub a few times.

lax01

11-09-06, 06:48 PM

only another 60+ days for a new episode...wow thats going to suck

and last night was way over-hyped...I seemed to have missed that huge cliff-hanger they were talking about...I guess they ran out of time ;)

Not a bad episode of Lost, I just wish they hadn't of hyped it up....

RDK006

11-09-06, 07:02 PM

Yeah, they made it a little overly obvious she wasn't pregnant zooming in on the +/- signs.

still kinda unnecessary, but it gave her a reason to cry on camera.

Apparently not obvious enough as some viewers still missed it.

rezzy

11-09-06, 07:18 PM

So Jack agreed to do the surgery on Ben in exchange for getting him (and Kate/Sawyer) off the island. Ben agreed readily, I'm assuming, because getting them off this second island would only put them back on the island they crashed on, no?Frak! You beat me to it. Actually, Jack's agreement with Benry was for his own freedom, not Kate and Sawyer's. He waited until Benry was put under to negotiate their liberation, which was an excellent move.

Anyways, I don't think Jack was specific enough in his request to be freed. "I wanna get off this d*mn island!", he stated. But he didn't exactly say where he wanted to go; back to Site A? The U.S.? Australia? Ben will very likely call him on that, too.

BTW, didn't Alex call Frosty-beard dad?

Innova

11-09-06, 07:19 PM

This may be nothing...but does someone have a screen shot of the plane breaking up footage they showed last night? One piece comes off the plane right away, then there is a brief pause, then the plane totally breaks up.

I was just wondering if anyone could tell what that one piece was. Might be nothing at all, but I thought it might partially explain why the plane broke up (I still don't like the whole giant magnet pulled an aluminum plane from the sky explanation).

PS any screencaps of Kate would also be appreciated...that is the way a woman should look! :D

Innova

11-09-06, 07:22 PM

BTW, didn't Alex call Frosty-beard dad?

We had to replay that also...but after re-listening, she said Danny, not Daddy.

mr2828

11-09-06, 07:37 PM

Can anyone post the exact wording of what Juliet was saying to Danny at the "work camp" right before she asked Kate to put the sack on?

It sounded something like an argument about "the schedule being moved up 2 weeks" or something.

If the Others do turn out to be especially interested in kids, then keep in mind they may have picked Kate/Sawyer as a good breeding pair, and in order to speed them up they put them together in this dangerous situation, threatening to kill Sawyer etc. In that situation the natural human response is to get together.

optivity

11-09-06, 08:13 PM

only another 60+ days for a new episode...wow thats going to suckI vote for 2 hour episodes of "Lost" from now on... because 1 hour goes by way too fast...

so say we all

UTV2TiVo

11-09-06, 08:57 PM

- We found that the Others may be building something "big"

Are you saying this based on the rock removal Kate and Sawyer are being forced to do?
I thought they were simply clearing the soil of rocks so they could plant crops there.
Or maybe I'm missing something...

R11

11-09-06, 09:18 PM

Sun's boy friend?Yes.

Are you saying this based on the rock removal Kate and Sawyer are being forced to do? I thought they were simply clearing the soil of rocks so they could plant crops there. Or maybe I'm missing something...IIRC, when Kate talked to Jack in his underwater cell in last night's ep, that was what she said to him. Something like, "they're building something, and it's big". So I guess it's Kates' speculation that that's what they are doing.

ron

ressom

11-09-06, 09:56 PM

- We learned that Jae was either killed or committed suicide

It was confirmed in the last podcast that Jae commited suicide.

rezzy

11-09-06, 10:03 PM

One-million hits and countin'....

Fiend

11-09-06, 10:17 PM

It was confirmed in the last podcast that Jae commited suicide.

Glad we can put that behind us now...

Fiend

11-09-06, 10:24 PM

I think the entire point behind this was to show that she CANNOT settle down and will always be running. She thought she was pregnant, then when she found out she wasn't, she had to leave as she didn't want to take this chance again as a child may keep her in place. The Marshall didn't believe it when she said she was done running.

I took her reaction to the test as being upset that she would have no excuse to refuse the trip to Costa Rica (though, I realize, technically she still could have flown that early in the pregnancy)... thus, she had to come clean about her past...

Fiend

11-09-06, 10:29 PM

also, anyone thinks alex is part of the con? at least, they're using her to con the trio. they made her believe they killed her b/f, so she would scare kate so kate would talk jack into the surgery, etc.

Could be, but I would be really irked if she was pelting me with rocks as part of the ploy... "You're not supposed to actually hit us, you stupid $#&*%& !!!" :D

TommyK

11-09-06, 10:39 PM

I sure hope they get moving come february. What a waste this first half has been. absolutely nothing has happenend.

No update on the dudes who monitoredthe electromagnetic activity.

No update on where Walt & Micheal end up in the boat (they are probably on the other island ;)

And It would be nice to have a flash back / recap of how the others spent the days on the island from the crash until now. (kinda like how they did the tallies recap)

Fredfa posted this article from Melanie McFarland in the Hot Off The Press thread that pretty much sums up many of Lost's current shortcomings and how she thinks it can get back on track. Her tone is almost like that of an intervention. Good read.

Critic’s Notebook
Um, 'Lost,' we can't go on like this

By Melanie McFarland Seattle Post-Intelligencer TV Critic Wednesday, November 8, 2006

(Note to viewers: If last week's "Lost" is sitting unwatched on your TiVo, skip this column.)

Hey, "Lost," got a minute? We know you're busy packing for that 13-week hiatus that kicks off after tonight.

That's what we want to discuss with you. Have a seat.

Before we get to the core of the matter, thank you for two exciting seasons. The first really got us. Outsiders blamed our fierce loyalty back then on the head-over-heels rush of endorphins all of us experience at the beginning of a saucy new relationship. Make no mistake, that's what we have -- a relationship. An intricate serialized drama like you requires total commitment. That was crystal from the get-go.

Week after week you teased us with puzzles, filling our brains with questions.

Problem was, you didn't give us enough answers. Then you'd leave us frequently and without explanation during season two, making us wade through repeats and clip shows. Not cool, "Lost." Not cool.

Even through that, we preached patience. Hell, when most viewers wanted to truss up Michelle Rodriguez, coat her head to toe in bacon grease and leave her at the mercy of the island's polar bear, we hung tough.

Now, standing on the edge of season three's winter break, something's amiss and you know it. Oh, sure, you remain one of ABC's most successful series. Last week you snagged about 16.1 million viewers. As advertiser bait goes, you're still tops.

Our issue is that you don't take us places anymore. You've gotten rid of almost everything we liked about you. No more Eko. No more alarming discoveries or profound mysteries. Not enough Hurley.

"Lost," you're boring us.

Don't look at us like that -- look at yourself! Where you once brought us Dharma Initiative weirdness, tasty power struggles and sinister island dwellers, now we have dirty Sawyer, mud-slicked Kate and sweaty Jack sitting around in cages.

Hurley, Charlie and the rest of the survivors are wandering the beach doing next to nothing. Locke has turned into Mr. Rogers with a Bowie knife.

Seriously, would it kill you to actually do something for once?

Killing the only Tailie that we liked doesn't count. Quite the contrary. When that cloud of smoke beat Mr. Eko to death, some of us hit our limit. Not only did you off your best-loved character, you did so with an entity nobody has even come close to understanding.

To be fair, you have an acceptable defense for showing Eko his final exit. Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje wanted to return to London to work on a film he plans to direct. Honestly, though -- death by raging pollutant? It's been three years. We've put in our time. You owe us some inkling of what the deal is with Ol' Smokey.

Heaping insult on top of that, you replaced Eko and the other wasted Tailies with Nikki (Kiele Sanchez) and Paulo (Rodrigo Santoro), a couple ripped straight out of the JCPenney catalog underwear section. Dull and duller! Nathan Fillion shows up on tonight's episode, and we can't wait to see what he'll do. That's because we loved him in "Firefly." Oh, you thought our anticipation had something to do with you? Sorry.

Your executive producers, J.J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, claim to have a plan, so we've heard. Some of us are starting to have serious doubts about that, but OK.

Even if everything's mapped out, the numbers don't lie. Viewers are leaving you every week for "Criminal Minds" on CBS. That procedural that doesn't come close to matching your intelligence and complexity, yet it's putting its boot to your backside in the ratings department.

You know what "Criminal Minds" has that you don't, besides almost 1 million more viewers as of last week? Plots that move.

Tune into "Criminal Minds" and a viewer is guaranteed a solid and electrifying start, a taut center and a firm ending. With you, we get Sawyer gnawing on fish biscuits and taking beatings.

"Lost," you still won among 18- to 49-year-olds by a 32 percent margin, so the news isn't all clouds and misery. Given the sand trap where you've stuck the plot, however, you can't blame us for turning to CBS for a little "wham-bam-thank-you, ma'am" fun with serial killers.

A number of us believe this relationship is worth salvaging. First, you're going to have to change a few things. Start with this: We want action. The bedrock of every relationship. The problem with this season is fairly basic -- nothing interesting or amazing has been happening on the island that you've led us to believe is both of those things and more. That needs to change, and pronto.

In order to jump-start the motor, you'll have to use your get-out-of-jail-free card. Spring Jack, Sawyer and Kate, and get on with the rest of the season. Nobody likes seeing central characters brought to heel for weeks on end. Look at Sci Fi Channel's "Battlestar Galactica," which reached a fork in the plot similar to yours. The series' human protagonists were under Cylon occupation and the producers wanted to show things from the enemy's point of view. That lasted for three episodes, then BOOM! The humans are back on their ships and merrily zipping through space. Balance, as the series presents it, was restored in short order. As long as the island's group is split apart and aimless, nothing exciting can happen. Break 'em out tonight. Then you'll have a cliffhanger working for you.

Also, how about you ditch the focus on The Others? Scale it back, at least. We've tried to embrace the whole exploration of what their goal is, but the more time we spend among The Others, the more it occurs to us that Ben, Juliet and their neighbors are pretty much just suburbanites with rusty moral compasses, lab equipment and too much time on their hands. "Lost," you hinted at Dr. Moreau-style madness, only to pull back the curtain and reveal an evil cul-de-sac that could have been set in Monroe, Wash.

After all that is rectified, you'd better start answering some questions. We still haven't forgotten about the statue with the four toes. Nobody gets why that polar bear is there and, after Eko's death, the secret behind the smoke demon had better melt our brains.

Shape up, "Lost," because you're not the only unusual option out there. We have our eyes on a new guy, NBC's "Heroes," on Monday nights. "Heroes" might not be as smart as you, but it's always a good time. We could easily redirect our passion over to NBC and abandon you completely.

Fortunately, you have until your Feb. 7 return to fix what's broken. Take this time to think about our relationship, then start doing better by us ... or else.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/printer2/index.asp?ploc=t&refer=http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/291434_tv08.html

mr2828

11-10-06, 12:08 AM

I think they are going to be extremely wary about wrapping up the major mysteries and will drag it out as long as possible. The reason is that there were previously serial shows like Twin Peaks where halfway through the second season they wrapped up (mostly) the main mystery, and after that the ratings died and it got canceled.

The only way to avoid that fate is to come up with something equally as engrossing as the main mysteries around the moment you wrap them up. Twin Peaks eventually after several episodes did develop some other interesting things, but by that point too much of the audience was gone, either by being satisfied about how the main mystery wrapped up or deeply unhappy about how the main mystery wrapped up. With such interest focused on one core mystery you really risk splitting the audience when it is wrapped up. This may be why the Lost folks are setting up more than one main mystery.

Iteki

11-10-06, 12:10 AM

Are you saying this based on the rock removal Kate and Sawyer are being forced to do?
I thought they were simply clearing the soil of rocks so they could plant crops there.
Or maybe I'm missing something...

"Big" is how Kate described it. And just typing that makes me laugh :-)

segask

11-10-06, 12:15 AM

I don't think things are nearly as broken as this McFarland critic is saying. but I agree the lack of answers in the Fall 2006 miniseason is frustrating. Another one: Hurley's love interest was shown to be a patient at the same mental institution he was in. But then Micheal killed her. I was hoping to see her in Hurley flashbacks, but of course, we didn't get a Hurley episode this Fall.

Still though, LOST easily remains my favorite show

NetworkTV

11-10-06, 01:15 AM

Yeah, they made it a little overly obvious she wasn't pregnant zooming in on the +/- signs.

Apparently not obvious enough as some viewers still missed it.
Those viewers must be satellite customers. They were confused by what appeared to be a 4 leaf clover and the "all seeing eye" from the $1 bill.

**Being a D* customer, I reserve the right to make that joke...

segask

11-10-06, 01:16 AM

Its strange. They wind up airing LOST only 2 of the 5 wednesdays in the November sweeps month. Wouldn't it have been better to start the Fall miniseason a few weeks later towards the end of October so that then it would last all the way through November?

November, February, and May are the sweeps months? First week of November through the last week of May is roughly 30 weeks. Since LOST airs wednesdays, give them a night off on Thanksgiving Eve. A couple more weeks off around the Xmas holidays. Maybe a couple more in March or April for Spring Break. Then you're down to 25 episodes in a mostly continuous run from November through May. That's the way I'd like to see it, rather than having this little Fall miniseason, followed by a break that will last longer than the little Fall miniseason did.

Rakesh.S

11-10-06, 01:44 AM

agree that there are still way too many storylines that are hanging..

we'll never know why libby was in the hospital with hurley.

where did the numbers go?

what is the monster?

how did walt have magical powers?

why is sun pregnant?

why was claire supposed to raise her baby and how did the psychic know?

and yada yada yada....just one or two answers would've been satisfying. Instead, it's been head games and a lot of pretty scenery.

tluxon

11-10-06, 03:43 AM

Horray to Melanie McFarland of the Seattle PI. I think she hit the nail on the head in many ways. What made Lost so compelling to watch in the beginning seems to be a distant memory already. With so much competition out there and so little time to fast forward through it all, Lost is in danger of becoming that series I choose to back-burner until the final DVD collection can take it the rest of the way.

I liked the "cliffhanger" - partly because it didn't abruptly break off with someone in the midst of colliding with certain imminent death. But they've got some trust to rebuild (if it's not already too late) after the stunt they've pulled with Ol' Smoky performing supernatural feats.

Tim

optivity

11-10-06, 06:57 AM

Fredfa posted this article from Melanie McFarland in the Hot Off The Press thread that pretty much sums up many of Lost's current shortcomings and how she thinks it can get back on track. Her tone is almost like that of an intervention. Good read.This is a good article that basically sums up the state of things with "Lost." :( While I no longer belong to the demographic that advertisers are interested in, I will continue to watch Lost. :p Of course I'm a NYG fan too, which means I'm a glutton for punishment. :rolleyes: BSG tonight. :)

so say we all

rantanamo

11-10-06, 11:08 AM

NetworkTV

11-10-06, 11:22 AM

- Pilot was trying to radio out. That's why Ol' Smokey offed him.
Nah, the pilot could read smokey's electronic mind. He would have learned all the secrets by the end of the 1st episode. ;)

archiguy

11-10-06, 11:26 AM

still not much mention:

- Walt has no magical powers. He communicated with Michael because the others have computers and likely let him do it OR they lured Michael themselves. He didn't appear, it was Ol' Smokey. He didn't summon the polar bear. He's just a kid.

I disagree. It's been demonstrated that he has some kind of "extraciricular" power. He killed that bird back in the apartment, probably killed his mother, scared the sh!t out of his stepfather, and Locke saw something "special" with him. I think they've made it clear he isn't "just a kid". But I agree with you that it was likely the Others that summoned Michael on the Swan Station computer and the images that the Losties saw of Walt were actually the Smoke Monster, especially now that we know it can assume human form.

What he definitely is is a child actor who's growing so fast he basically grew out of his role. The producers didn't know what to do with him, so they got rid of him for awhile. He and Michael will be back at some point, however; or so they've said.

sleeks

11-10-06, 12:33 PM

I vote for 2 hour episodes of "Lost" from now on... because 1 hour goes by way too fast...

so say we all

I would agree with this IF it was more than 1 hour of show and 1 hour of commercial.

How about the same amount of commercials as they currently have, but spread across a two hour show...

sleeks

11-10-06, 12:37 PM

Anyways, I don't think Jack was specific enough in his request to be freed. "I wanna get off this d*mn island!", he stated. But he didn't exactly say where he wanted to go; back to Site A? The U.S.? Australia? Ben will very likely call him on that, too.

BTW, didn't Alex call Frosty-beard dad?

If I was Jack, I wouldn't care where I ended up. Australia, US, Brazil, Peru, Canada, Greenland, Russia, whatever...as long as I was far away from Dharma

GutBomb

11-10-06, 01:12 PM

besides, he'l just be let off that island and put back on the original island

R11

11-10-06, 02:08 PM

I don't think things are nearly as broken as this McFarland critic is saying.You're right. It's not. What's funny, Ms McFarland and many others who complain always seem to go on to say that the other shows they compare LOST to are not nearly "as intelligent" or whatever, but they want LOST to be more like them anyway :confused:. Hey, I like Heroes, it's a fun and entertaining show. Now that I've caught up after missing it in the beginning I've been looking forward to the eps every week. But it's just not on the same level as LOST for me. And I watched a few rerun ep of Criminal Minds over the summer. Clearly different strokes I guess, but I just can't imagine people looking forward with excitement to watching CM every week... Do they wake up on Wednesday and actually think, "All right, there's a new ep of CM tonight!"? I guess there must be some...

ron

Iteki

11-10-06, 02:13 PM

And I watched a few rerun ep of Criminal Minds over the summer. Clearly different strokes I guess, but I just can't imagine people looking forward with excitement to watching CM every week... Do they wake up on Wednesday and actually think, "All right, there's a new ep of CM tonight!"? I guess there must be some...
ron

CM is a great show, but yeah, it's not appointment viewing like LOST, and likely won't be.

archiguy

11-10-06, 02:13 PM

And I watched a few rerun ep of Criminal Minds over the summer. Clearly different strokes I guess, but I just can't imagine people looking forward with excitement to watching CM every week... Do they wake up on Wednesday and actually think, "All right, there's a new ep of CM tonight!"? I guess there must be some...

ron

If they do, they're some pretty sick & twisted people, huh? :p

Savageone79

11-10-06, 04:54 PM

rezzy

11-10-06, 06:01 PM

If I was Jack, I wouldn't care where I ended up. Australia, US, Brazil, Peru, Canada, Greenland, Russia, whatever...as long as I was far away from DharmaSince he didn't specify where he wanted to land, you can believe Benry will send him back to Site A (Losty Island).

CPanther95

11-10-06, 06:26 PM

I thought the deal Benry made was more specific - like back home to Boston or something that clearly meant back to the US. When Jack said he wanted him to honor the original deal, I thought he was referring to what he said when they were watching the Bosox win the series.

keenan

11-10-06, 06:34 PM

I was a lost fanatic the first 2 seasons. I thought the second season was Lost at its peak. This mini season that just ended was just boring. Stuff that should have been taken care of in a couple of episodes drug out over 5 and left is with no answers and a not so great cliffhanger. I don't expect it to wrap up neatly every week but it is getting a little ridiculous.
I kind of agree with this, did we really need to see Kate, Sawyer and Jack in their cages for 6 or 7 weeks? And this last flashback with Kate just seemed completely unnecessary. To me, the story told in 6-7 eps could have been done just as well in half that amount.

CPanther95

11-10-06, 06:40 PM

It was necessary to tip their hat to all the Firefly fans. They seem to be throwing a bone to all the great shows that had very rabid fans in too small numbers to keep their shows alive. We've had Carnivale, Oz, Deadwood and Firefly (which was also a nod to Buffy fans). I'm hoping for an appearance by Lancelot Link. ;)

Iteki

11-10-06, 06:50 PM

lax01

11-10-06, 07:49 PM

Nah, the pilot could read smokey's electronic mind. He would have learned all the secrets by the end of the 1st episode. ;)

lol I get it

lax01

11-10-06, 07:50 PM

Farscape needs to be represented :-)

meh, nobody watched that carp :P

turansformer

11-10-06, 07:58 PM

I was a lost fanatic the first 2 seasons. I thought the second season was Lost at its peak. This mini season that just ended was just boring. Stuff that should have been taken care of in a couple of episodes drug out over 5 and left is with no answers and a not so great cliffhanger. I don't expect it to wrap up neatly every week but it is getting a little ridiculous.

I think that's a problem with broadcast network shows in general. With a season of 22-24 episodes, shows like Lost and 24 are great to watch but tend to drag at times. That's why I'm a huge fan of cable network shows. Most seasons are around 13-15 episodes and you don't get the feeling that your being strung along just so the producers can satisfy a quota.

Iteki

11-10-06, 09:55 PM

meh, nobody watched that carp :P
:eek:

lax01

11-10-06, 10:03 PM

:eek:
http://itsatarp.ytmnsfw.com/?d3fb2d83a74c7d0bc42d1e54a6ef68f5

optivity

11-11-06, 08:42 AM

Must see TV? The NYG, Lost, BSG, The Office & My Name is Earl... in that order. :D

archiguy

11-11-06, 10:31 AM

I think all the disappointment in this season's LOST stems more from the deliberate tone set by the circumstances. Our heroes have been captured by The Others who really aren't so mysterious anymore. They appear to be some sort of cult who are subtly torturing our guys for no apparent reason. There's been little Dharma mythology, just a lot of head games and Sawyer getting his usual beatdowns. There's a distinct lack of the vaguely supernatural, mysterious stuff that really gets the fans all jazzed up. Stuff like the Black Rock sailing ship miles inland. The 4-toed giant foot. That weird "Hurley-bird". We've seen little of the Smoke Monster except for one ep. The Numbers have been AWOL and we've seen too little of Sayid, Hurley, Desmond, Charlie and the rest. No Danielle and her oddness. No Penny or resolution of that totally cool cliffhanger from last season. Two new cast characters that seem to have no real purpose (at least Niki has the requisite smokin' bod) and Rose and Bernard are AWOL as well. And the ba$tards killed Eko!

Frankly, there hasn't been a whole lot this "miniseason" of the kind of stuff that gets LOST fans all geeked up, and the cliffhanger that's supposed to keep us chattering for 3 months was pretty lame. That's why we're seeing so much discontent on this thread right now, and why even the critics are starting to grumble.

Once they get away from the Others and back to the main Island, we'll see the back half of the season get back to what we all want out of this show. I hope.

optivity

11-11-06, 10:38 AM

Right, when Lost comes back from hiatus in February, let’s hope the rest of the season get's back on track... then all will be forgiven.

Why hasn't Locke put together a rescue mission yet?

petergaryr

11-11-06, 11:03 AM

Right, when Lost comes back from hiatus in February, let’s hope the rest of the season get's back on track... then all will be forgiven.

Why hasn't Locke put together a rescue mission yet?

...unless the writers become infected with the same disease as the Losties and don't talk to each other and share plot points that need to be resolved. ;)

lax01

11-11-06, 12:15 PM

EW has an article on their website giving a bunch of mini-spoilers about the rest of Season 3 and why they CAN'T answer any of the big questions of teh show is over and nobody will watch

rezzy

11-11-06, 01:00 PM

The last ep was a bit lame, but I loved the live string-orchestra at Kate's wedding....even though we didn't see 'em.

mr2828

11-11-06, 02:29 PM

EW has an article on their website giving a bunch of mini-spoilers about the rest of Season 3 and why they CAN'T answer any of the big questions of teh show is over and nobody will watch

What I said. Folks you need to savor the mystery and journey because when it's all answered there may not be much else left to watch.

Aliens

11-11-06, 05:52 PM

keenan

11-11-06, 06:24 PM

Get a life!! :p :D

Kracko

11-11-06, 06:25 PM

Aliens, couldn't you just watch it on ABC.com the next day?

rezzy

11-11-06, 06:32 PM

What a long three days. Unbeknownst to me, my local station crashed Wednesday; so when I went to watch LOST at 9:20 I had a black screen. The DVR cancelled the timer because there was no signal. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: I completely lost it (no pun intended)! I immediately called my brother and he was recording it to TIVO. In the end, one episode cost us $20 in gas and $22 for lunch. I paid $39 for the entire second season. BTW, sold it for $30.Had a crazy storm blow through last night. Last sat-signal for a while, along with a bit of my favorite show (DVR was recording BSG). Fr*k!

Aliens

11-11-06, 07:08 PM

Aliens, couldn't you just watch it on ABC.com the next day?
I wasn’t aware of that. They replay it there? But the big question; does it come with commercials? :)

Aliens

11-11-06, 07:10 PM

Get a life!! :p :D
And miss Kate? Nooooooo... ;)

Aliens

11-11-06, 07:34 PM

They replay it there?

Doh! I DO need to get a life. :o

maxman

11-11-06, 07:59 PM

Doh! I DO need to get a life. :o

We all do! :(

Keller

11-11-06, 08:45 PM

Had a crazy storm blow through last night. Last sat-signal for a while, along with a bit of my favorite show (DVR was recording BSG). Fr*k!

Is Frak an official curse word now?

CPanther95

11-11-06, 08:51 PM

Is Frak an official curse word now?

Self censoring the word fr*ck helps keep the show authentic. ;)

Rakesh.S

11-11-06, 09:47 PM

What a long three days. Unbeknownst to me, my local station crashed Wednesday; so when I went to watch LOST at 9:20 I had a black screen. The DVR cancelled the timer because there was no signal. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: I completely lost it (no pun intended)! I immediately called my brother and he was recording it to TIVO. In the end, one episode cost us $20 in gas and $22 for lunch. I paid $39 for the entire second season. BTW, sold it for $30.

Are there still people that haven't heard of BT and xvid?

The other option is abc.com as has been previously noted..networks have been promoting the fact that you can watch the replays on their website, big time.

nuttyinnyc

11-11-06, 10:21 PM

But I agree with you that it was likely the Others that summoned Michael on the Swan Station computer and the images that the Losties saw of Walt were actually the Smoke Monster, especially now that we know it can assume human form.
He and Michael will be back at some point, however; or so they've said.

I do not agree with you about the Others making a trap for Michael, How did they know when Mike was at the computer? Anybody could be using it at anytime because they had a schedule to press the button. Like you said Walt had extra abilities so, Why couldn't he use them to contact his father through the computer? Sensing he was near it at the time.
They will be back but like you said the boy is growing to fast, what is he going to be when they come back, A teenager? I have read that they are going to come back because there is more to tell with them. The Walt story is one I am waiting for.

Kracko

11-11-06, 10:43 PM

I do not agree with you about the Others making a trap for Michael, How did they know when Mike was at the computer?

They seem to have an ample supply of video camera and screens.

LongRufus

11-12-06, 01:33 AM

But I agree with you that it was likely the Others that summoned Michael on the Swan Station computer and the images that the Losties saw of Walt were actually the Smoke Monster, especially now that we know it can assume human form.

Exactly how do we know it can assume human form? Did they announce it on a podcast? Another website? We sure don't know anything about it from the show itself.

Aliens

11-12-06, 02:41 AM

Are there still people that haven't heard of BT and xvid?

Uh............................uh............................ ..............uh.............................uh............. .......................,yeah. :o

epsilon

11-12-06, 03:38 AM

Are there still people that haven't heard of BT and xvid?
Not to mention Usenet. nntp has been around longer than most other internet protocols.

ressom

11-12-06, 07:52 AM

Exactly how do we know it can assume human form? Did they announce it on a podcast? Another website? We sure don't know anything about it from the show itself.

The podcast suggested it could take on human form, but did not flat out confirm it. You know how they do it. ;)

Iteki

11-12-06, 08:30 AM

Are there still people that haven't heard of BT and xvid?

The other option is abc.com as has been previously noted..networks have been promoting the fact that you can watch the replays on their website, big time.

Or even iTunes

optivity

11-12-06, 11:59 AM

Or even iTunesDoes anyone know how to open a file with a *.zlg extension? My ZoneAlarm Security Suite (the best thing since sliced bread) won't let me.

keenan

11-12-06, 12:26 PM

Does anyone know how to open a file with a *.zlg extension? My ZoneAlarm Security Suite (the best thing since sliced bread) won't let me.
Are you using iTunes software to open it?

ridgefamus

11-12-06, 01:53 PM

The abc.com reruns have 3 or 4 30 sec. ads that are pretty innocuous. The pq is really good and the picure size is great for laptop or desktop viewing. Much better than iPod viewing, IMO, and did I mention "free"?

rezzy

11-12-06, 07:20 PM

Exactly how do we know it can assume human form? Did they announce it on a podcast? Another website? We sure don't know anything about it from the show itself.Because the apparition (in the form of Yemi) told him: "It is time to coonfess, brother....tu be judged; you know where tu find me."
So when Eko went to the location, he was met by Smokey's true form and supposedly judged. If Eko hadn't carried unresolved guilt, he likely wouldn't have died.

Hence my theory that Smokey has a (pharmaceutical) way of inducing guilt, and then playing on the psychological reactions of a subject. The subjects are actually sentencing themselves. When I say guilt, I mean murder-like heavy duty conviction.

mollerup

11-12-06, 08:27 PM

segask

11-13-06, 01:11 AM

how many days on the island went by in these 7 episodes? Was it 3?

Stryker412

11-13-06, 08:59 AM

Farscape needs to be represented :-)

It was! Wayne Pygram who played Scorpius was in the second season. He played the "healer" Isaac who Bernard took Rose to see.

Aliens

11-13-06, 09:30 AM

Are they "really" on a different island?I’m not sure they are.

When Ben took Sawyer to the top of the mountain to show him the other island, he told him; “The only way to gain a con mans respect is to con him.” While that was in clear reference to him not having a pacemaker inserted in his chest, I also think he was coning Sawyer into believing he was on another island; that way he could control him easier. Sawyer would obviously try to escape if he felt he could get back to the Losties, but thinking they are isolated from them with no means to get back to the other island, he feels hopeless/helpless and it has taken the fight out of him. It has obviously worked, because when Kate was trying to get Sawyer to escape with her he said, “there aint no place to go. We are on a rock, like an Alcatraz.” I think they are on the North side of the island, as referenced when Locke saw, ‘lift up your eyes and look North’ on Ekos stick. The Losties have explored little of the island they are on. For ‘look North’ to mean look at another island and then try to get there, I think would be a pretty big leap of faith on the Losties part. To now build another boat and ‘try’ to sail to the other island hoping they are there; then rescue and return to the ‘main’ island, I just can’t buy at this point. However...

Iteki

11-13-06, 09:30 AM

It was! Wayne Pygram who played Scorpius was in the second season. He played the "healer" Isaac who Bernard took Rose to see.

Frell...you're right I forgot about that! :-)

nuttyinnyc

11-13-06, 09:38 AM

Because the apparition (in the form of Yemi) told him: "It is time to coonfess, brother....tu be judged; you know where tu find me."
So when Eko went to the location, he was met by Smokey's true form and supposedly judged. If Eko hadn't carried unresolved guilt, he likely wouldn't have died.

Hence my theory that Smokey has a (pharmaceutical) way of inducing guilt, and then playing on the psychological reactions of a subject. The subjects are actually sentencing themselves. When I say guilt, I mean murder-like heavy duty conviction.
If he couldn't form human form, then who started the fire? I think it can form anything that the person thinks of as important to his/her story. Jack's father/ kate's horse

Unrelated. to my DVR friends. I have a question. I understand a show like this you record season and it will automatically record every show in that time period. But do you set the time. Like the first episode was from 9:00-10:00 in turn it always will record that hour. It doesn't pick up on an over-run? Is that why you guys were missing the ending? Is it all boxes that would have this problem? I will be getting a SA8300HD from TWC and my friend has a H15DVR from directTV. I want to warn him if his box will have that problem and learn myself before I get it.

Iteki

11-13-06, 09:50 AM

It doesn't pick up on an over-run? Is that why you guys were missing the ending? Is it all boxes that would have this problem? I will be getting a SA8300HD from TWC and my friend has a H15DVR from directTV. I want to warn him if his box will have that problem and learn myself before I get it.

It depends on what guide data your box is using. If the overrun is actually scheduled (shows up in your guide as 1hr 2min, etc), then the box will usually catch it. If not, then you'll have to 'pad' the recording manually.

nuttyinnyc

11-13-06, 10:00 AM

It depends on what guide data your box is using. If the overrun is actually scheduled (shows up in your guide as 1hr 2min, etc), then the box will usually catch it. If not, then you'll have to 'pad' the recording manually.
so as long as my guide list any overrun, it should catch it? but like last night the Nets & Wizards were on the HD specials channel if I wanted to record I would have to do it manually because the TWC guide showed the channel as off-air. I just wanted to make sure because I heard a lot of people complaining on this thread about losing a few min even though it was listed and know to be an overrun episode. I will be joining the DVR crowd next week.

Nachosgrande

11-13-06, 10:03 AM

You can set additional minutes to record in the Tivo Season Pass and it will automatically record the extra time every week. I usually add 1 minute to the start time and 5 minutes to the end time.

Who's looking forward to 24???

Can't start soon enough!

lexluthor

11-13-06, 10:05 AM

I will be joining the DVR crowd next week.

What DVR are you getting?

A sporting event that goes over won't be caught by any DVR that I'm aware of.

Most of the scheduling guides are good about getting Lost updated each week to the proper end time.

On the other hand, Heroes has run over the last 2 weeks, but it doesn't look like the DVR guides picked that up. Probably NBC's fault on that.

Basically, if you look in your guide and see the program time has the extra minutes, the DVR scheduler will almost certainly see it and adjust accordingly.

One issue that I think I'd have with my box, SA8300HD is that if I had 2 shows already recording in the 10pm hour, this overflow of lost to 10:02 would definitely cause some problems that my box probably wouldn't notify me about. I think TIVO handles that kind of thing much more elegantly.

michaelk

11-13-06, 10:46 AM

I do not agree with you about the Others making a trap for Michael, How did they know when Mike was at the computer? ...

not sure what I think about if it really was Walt or not but it's easy enough for them to trick Michael as there's camera's all over the place monitoring the different hatches.

Maybe there was a camera that monitors who was at the button to see how they handle it...

nuttyinnyc

11-13-06, 11:16 AM

What DVR are you getting?

A sporting event that goes over won't be caught by any DVR that I'm aware of.

Most of the scheduling guides are good about getting Lost updated each week to the proper end time.

On the other hand, Heroes has run over the last 2 weeks, but it doesn't look like the DVR guides picked that up. Probably NBC's fault on that.

Basically, if you look in your guide and see the program time has the extra minutes, the DVR scheduler will almost certainly see it and adjust accordingly.

One issue that I think I'd have with my box, SA8300HD is that if I had 2 shows already recording in the 10pm hour, this overflow of lost to 10:02 would definitely cause some problems that my box probably wouldn't notify me about. I think TIVO handles that kind of thing much more elegantly.

I will be getting the SA 8300HD DVR that is the only one TWC is offering in nyc now. I have readf a lot of the problems with this box, which led me to be very skepticle and hessitant about getting one, but I have been recording some good shows and all of them are in HD so I lose a little by using a vcr instead of the DVR. That last problem is one of things I would want to avoid. In January I will have 2 nights with multiple shows. Mon 24 and Heroes Tues L&O SVU and the Shield. and the shield always runs over.

I am with you Nachos, I can't wait anymore for 24. But I am now watching heroes so what to do. Heroes has madde it to #2 on my must watch live list. 24 was #2 last year

nuttyinnyc

11-13-06, 11:45 AM

not sure what I think about if it really was Walt or not but it's easy enough for them to trick Michael as there's camera's all over the place monitoring the different hatches.

Maybe there was a camera that monitors who was at the button to see how they handle it...
There are cameras everywhere but there is nothing that tells us that the Others have found all the hatches either let alone all the camera feeds. Remember desmond was their for months before the crash and the other guy was there years before with out the Others finding them. The cameras they have shown us with BEN are only of the compound.(hydra area) The pearl was connected to at least 2 (the swan & eye patch man) probably more but we have yet to see how far they go. I really think it was a Walt power thing more then any other reason. Dam kid why did he have to grow so fast. They need to answer his power thing, but it is well known that they "might" be back this year S3 or "will" be back next year S4. Because they have to finish Walt's story.

lexluthor

11-13-06, 01:09 PM

michaelk

11-13-06, 02:06 PM

There are cameras everywhere but there is nothing that tells us that the Others have found all the hatches either let alone all the camera feeds. Remember desmond was their for months before the crash and the other guy was there years before with out the Others finding them. The cameras they have shown us with BEN are only of the compound.(hydra area) The pearl was connected to at least 2 (the swan & eye patch man) probably more but we have yet to see how far they go. I really think it was a Walt power thing more then any other reason. Dam kid why did he have to grow so fast. They need to answer his power thing, but it is well known that they "might" be back this year S3 or "will" be back next year S4. Because they have to finish Walt's story.

Like I said- could be walt, could be someone else.

My thinking on the hatches and cameras-
who knows how many different "other" groups there are? So far I count Benry's group, Alex, the alien pirate, and the ragtag wild people walking around the jungle with the kids. They all might be one and the same but like everythign else we dont know that at this point. What one of those sects does might not be what the others want (as evidenced by alex always trying to help the losties).

I'm also not sure that Benry's group doesn't know about everything, nor that they dont just have some other rooms with camera's for other hatches at the hydra. That group was at the other hatch with clair and the baby that time. And if I remember they darted Jack and the gang by the pile of tubes that shoot out from the monitoring station that Locke found under the plane wreckage- so you'd think that Benry's group would investigate this huge pile of bank teller tubes and look fo rthe source (but we all also would think people would talk to each other so maybe that's a bad assumption- LOL)

Anyway- It could sure have been Walt, but at this point i'm not convinced one way or the other and figure it might also be some "others" however you define that.

posg

11-13-06, 03:11 PM

I will be getting the SA 8300HD DVR that is the only one TWC is offering in nyc now. I have readf a lot of the problems with this box, which led me to be very skepticle and hessitant about getting one, but I have been recording some good shows and all of them are in HD so I lose a little by using a vcr instead of the DVR. That last problem is one of things I would want to avoid. In January I will have 2 nights with multiple shows. Mon 24 and Heroes Tues L&O SVU and the Shield. and the shield always runs over.

I am with you Nachos, I can't wait anymore for 24. But I am now watching heroes so what to do. Heroes has madde it to #2 on my must watch live list. 24 was #2 last year

You'll won't understand how you ever lived without it. The SA8300HD that is. I have never had any problems, and even my wife can operate it. Make sure that you activate ALL resolutions outputs passing them in their native formats, as your TV most likely has a much better scaler in it than what's in the SA8300HD.

Iteki

11-13-06, 04:34 PM

nuttyinnyc

11-13-06, 04:47 PM

You'll won't understand how you ever lived without it. The SA8300HD that is. I have never had any problems, and even my wife can operate it. Make sure that you activate ALL resolutions outputs passing them in their native formats, as your TV most likely has a much better scaler in it than what's in the SA8300HD.
Thanks Posg and Iteki, I have been cautious because of the complaints this model has had, but I have to try it. I have been recording on the HD channel because it give me a better picture then the SD channels but the with the VCR I get grey lines and they are annoying.

I already leave all the inputs active because of the TV's good processor. I keep 480i off because from what I have learn these TV's are digital and digital is progressive in nature, so you won't see much of difference, but now I found out that the Sony I have makes 480i more viewable when you have the "cinemotion" feature on for these channels. I will try that out tonight. But my SD looks good most of the time.

I don't know about watching more tv, I already watch a lot. Every day of the week I have at least 2 primetime shows that I record. I am an addict but that is a whole different thread. But I am probably going to TWC tomorrow since wednesday I have 2 two hr shows wednesday night(daybreak & Medium)

Thanx again guys.

Yeah this will be a long 12 weeks. But if we keep chatting it up it will go faster.

rezzy

11-13-06, 06:58 PM

If he couldn't form human form, then who started the fire? I think it can form anything that the person thinks of as important to his/her story. Jack's father/ kate's horse.My point was that Smokey (nano-bot swarm) did assume the form of Yemi (at least in Eko's mind), just as it assumed the form of Walt last season. It is unclear who actually started the blaze.

archiguy

11-14-06, 07:32 AM

My point was that Smokey (nano-bot swarm) did assume the form of Yemi (at least in Eko's mind), just as it assumed the form of Walt last season. It is unclear who actually started the blaze.

Oh no, I think that's pretty clear. Nano-Yemi had a lighter; next thing you know the hut's on fire.

Viventis

11-14-06, 08:10 AM

Like I said- could be walt, could be someone else.

who knows how many different "other" groups there are? So far I count Benry's group, Alex, the alien pirate, and the ragtag wild people walking around the jungle with the kids. They all might be one and the same but like everythign else we dont know that at this point. What one of those sects does might not be what the others want (as evidenced by alex always trying to help the losties).

Someone with Season 2 on DVD's help me with this. Before the group with Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and Michael were captured by Ben's group, weren't they being followed by Others wearing uniforms? Didn't Sawyer or someone shoot one of them? I also don't think that the guy who was pushing the button with Desmond was attached to Ben's group. Ben obviously did not know that he was rebuilding the sail boat.

archiguy

11-14-06, 08:34 AM

Someone with Season 2 on DVD's help me with this. Before the group with Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and Michael were captured by Ben's group, weren't they being followed by Others wearing uniforms? Didn't Sawyer or someone shoot one of them? I also don't think that the guy who was pushing the button with Desmond was attached to Ben's group. Ben obviously did not know that he was rebuilding the sail boat.

The Others that were following that group wore the same "sackcloth" clothes that they wear when they're trying to pass themselves off as something they're not (as in the staged village on the beach). Sawyer did indeed shoot and kill one of them that day (I listed a "count" of how many Others have been killed by the Losties a couple of months back in the thread - 6 at last count including Goodwin, Ethan, and Connie ["Trixie"]). They believe in their cause, whatever it is, to such an extent that they're willing to accept these casualties.

And Kelvin was the one pushing the button prior to Desmond and he certainly wasn't one of "the hostiles", as he termed them. He had joined the Dharma Inititive after his service in some nebulous Intellegence agency in Iraq (where he met and interrogated Sayid). He was careful not to let The Others see Desmond's sailboat which he had hidden in a cove.

segask

11-15-06, 12:15 AM

went out to the movies last weekend and one of the trailers started out with a plane crash. Naturally, since this is my favorite show, it reminded me of LOST.
LOL, and then there he was.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/wearemarshall/trailer1/

Congrats to him, he made it to the big screen.

Bur- Lee

11-15-06, 08:55 AM

Its Wednesday and I have nothing to look forward to watch tonight. Any suggestions?

CPanther95

11-15-06, 09:33 AM

Daybreak - at least give the pilot a chance.

Let's not punish ABC for giving us Lost fans exactly what we were screaming for.

Iteki

11-15-06, 09:39 AM

Daybreak - at least give the pilot a chance.

Let's not punish ABC for giving us Lost fans exactly what we were screaming for.

Agreed. How bad can it be (wincing)?

Taye Diggs is a decent actor, I usually like him in whatever he's in. He can even play the bad guy from time to time, ever see 'The Way Of The Gun' ?

Aliens

11-15-06, 10:54 AM

Its Wednesday and I have nothing to look forward to watch tonight. Any suggestions?
North Carolina plays on ESPNHD tonight at 7. Countdown with Keith Olbermann at 8. Or, just read a book. :eek:

Iteki

11-15-06, 11:08 AM

stonecrd

11-15-06, 03:35 PM

I have been watching Lost since the beginning and like some others I was quite disapointed in the show last week. My interest is starting to wane. In season 1 I would watch on Wed night and endure the commercials, in season 2 I recorded the show and generally watched the next day. This season I may wait until the weekend or even let two or more build up before I watch. Just too many plot lines going in too many directions with too little real content. I only post this to add to the list of people who are asking for more from the show with a hope that a writer is reading and will make improvements going forward, otherwise I doubt I will be there for season 4.

petergaryr

11-15-06, 03:52 PM

Funny article from Wired.com about complainers on message boards. More than a few of these types have been spotted on this very board. I spotted a bit of myself in at least one of these (the expecting realism out of a fantasy based medium lol).

Complainers of the world UNITE! (http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,72119-0.html?tw=wn_index_5)

What's even funnier than the article, are the comments that people have made concerning it which seem.....um.....complaining. :eek:

My favorite is still the person who, on a weekly basis, threatens to stop watching the show. Then so states the next week. And the next. And the....

Iteki

11-15-06, 04:05 PM

LongRufus

11-15-06, 04:17 PM

Because the apparition (in the form of Yemi) told him: "It is time to coonfess, brother....tu be judged; you know where tu find me."
So when Eko went to the location, he was met by Smokey's true form and supposedly judged. If Eko hadn't carried unresolved guilt, he likely wouldn't have died.

Hence my theory that Smokey has a (pharmaceutical) way of inducing guilt, and then playing on the psychological reactions of a subject. The subjects are actually sentencing themselves. When I say guilt, I mean murder-like heavy duty conviction.

I understand that you nanobot guys believe Smokey can assume any form it wants(Yemi, gurgling Walt, Jack's Dad, the Black Horse), but after the Eko episode you began stating it as a fact, like we saw something that proved your point. What scene on that show do you base that conclusion on? I sure didn't see any. I'm not saying that your theory is impossible, it is plausible and it may even be the one the writers ultimately choose to use to explain the "apparitions". But to start using phrases like "now we know it can assume human form" is still jumping the gun, IMO. If the writers decide to go in a different direction with their explanation of the "apparitions", nothing they have shown so far will contradict it. If you think there is, feel free to share it with the rest of us.

Steve Scherrer

11-15-06, 05:35 PM

I understand that you nanobot guys believe Smokey can assume any form it wants(Yemi, gurgling Walt, Jack's Dad, the Black Horse), but after the Eko episode you began stating it as a fact, like we saw something that proved your point. What scene on that show do you base that conclusion on? I sure didn't see any. I'm not saying that your theory is impossible, it is plausible and it may even be the one the writers ultimately choose to use to explain the "apparitions". But to start using phrases like "now we know it can assume human form" is still jumping the gun, IMO. If the writers decide to go in a different direction with their explanation of the "apparitions", nothing they have shown so far will contradict it. If you think there is, feel free to share it with the rest of us.

I just wish the producers of the show would give us something definitive. It seems like everything they have provided can have any number of explanations. I understand a theme of the show is whether something can be rationalized scientifically or faith-based, but they have to provide something concrete. I think this is why people are losing interest--the failure to provide anything concrete.

danco

11-15-06, 05:36 PM

barth2k

11-15-06, 05:53 PM

Not to mention Usenet. nntp has been around longer than most other internet protocols.

sshh. the first rule of obtaining copyrighted content by extra-legal means is we don't talk about obtaining copyrighted content by extra-legal means.

archiguy

11-15-06, 06:13 PM

EDIT: The producers are on record as saying it isn't nano-technology, but if you've read Michael Crichton's Prey, it's hard to believe that it's anything else (including forming complex shapes and human-looking form)...

~Dan

Yep. There's a faction of us here who believe that comment the producers made was deliberate disinformation to throw us off the track. ;)

The only other thing it could possibly be, in my mind, is a cloud of iron particles that are controlled by the island's unique electromagnetic properties. But the system controlling them would still have to have the sophistication of the nanobots described in Prey to pull off forming complex shapes like humans and horses. Very close to the same sorta' thing.

Iteki

11-15-06, 06:16 PM

From cnn.com

'Groundhog Day' meets '24' -- but will it succeed?
POSTED: 2:17 p.m. EST, November 15, 2006

GLENDALE, California (AP) -- "Hey, man, look. It's you," one of the producers says, handing Taye Diggs a copy of the National Enquirer.

Inside is a full-page ad for "Day Break," featuring the actor, buffed and stoic. Diggs' eyes light up. "I'm simply too excited," he says. But right now, just days before the show's premiere, the 34-year-old isn't imbibing the hype.

"I just don't want to get my hopes up too high for fear of them being smashed to the pavement," he says in a momentary respite on a sound stage in this Los Angeles suburb. "I have a good feeling about it. I have a good feeling."

ABC's also optimistic about "Day Break." The high-concept thriller is replacing "Lost" for 12 weeks beginning Wednesday at 9 p.m. EST with a two-hour premiere. Diggs stars as Brett Hopper, a cop who must relive the same day over and over in order to clear himself of murder. Think "Groundhog Day" meets "24."

It's Diggs' latest TV turn since his short-lived run as a lothario lawyer in "Kevin Hill," which aired in 2004-2005 on the now-defunct UPN network. "We were considered a black show, and (UPN) wanted to go in a different direction," he says.

Diggs, too, has been trying to go in a different direction and break out of the black box.

"After college, I realized I could be successful at this because Spike Lee was coming out," says Diggs, a native of Rochester, New York, where he lived with his four siblings and his mom, a student of theater who inspired his acting aspirations.

"On TV, there was always the black friend and I thought, 'OK, I can be that guy.' "

Then came his breakout role as Angela Bassett's young Jamaican lover in 1998's "How Stella Got Her Groove Back."

From there, he appeared in the urban romantic comedies "The Wood," "The Best Man" and "Brown Sugar." He also landed mainstream parts in the Oscar-winning "Chicago" and the big-screen rendition of "Rent," reprising his role from the 1996 Broadway hit where he met his wife, actress Idina Menzel.
'A different light'

"Day Break" is his first role as an action lead.

"It's the kind of thing where you want to do something different and stretch your muscles," he says, "and at the same time, it's good for the cats in the industry, and the public, to see you in a different light."

But Diggs also acknowledges that it's not all about him, that there could be a down side for black actors if the series is successful.

"African American folks, we're not yet in the position of power," he explains. "If this show were to succeed, white folks could just sit back on their laurels and say, 'Oh well, he's the one. We don't need to work with anybody else.'

"If every black dramatic actor were to fall off the face of the Earth, people would mourn Denzel and Morgan Freeman. But they would still have the Tom Cruises. Until we get to a point where we can control things in Hollywood, and I'm confident we'll get there, we're still in a position where we kind of have our hands out."

Still, Diggs was the actor the "Day Break" producers came to first. "I approached him long before the script was done. I just felt he was an action star in waiting," says executive producer Matthew Gross.

"Certainly he's got the physique and the fortitude to be an action star," Gross continued. "But there's a sensitivity to him. You really feel for his predicament. People are going to see a broad range of Taye as an actor."

But even casting some of the biggest marquee names hasn't been enough to bring audiences to this season's plethora of complex, serialized shows.

"The bottom line is it's not about Taye Diggs. It's about 'Day Break,' " says MediaWeek columnist Marc Berman. "He certainly is an asset, but I think ABC made a mistake in scheduling. They would have been better starting the fall with 'Day Break' and (returning) 'Lost' in midseason.

"To take an established hit, put it on for six weeks, and take it off until January may cause some bad feelings," Berman continues. "And the audience may go check out CBS' 'Criminal Minds' because that show is really heating up now."

Says executive producer Jeffrey Bell: "If the 'Lost' audience gives us an opportunity, they'll enjoy our show. We're different from 'Lost,' but if you like puzzles, there's a lot to love. You're going to get a satisfying conclusion, we believe, to this day."

LongRufus

11-15-06, 07:57 PM

It was when Yemi said: "You're telling me this like I was your brother" (or something close)--implying that *this* Yemi was not the *real* Yemi.

The apparition basically admitted that it was an imposter...we can only surmise that it was the security system...

EDIT: The producers are on record as saying it isn't nano-technology, but if you've read Michael Crichton's Prey, it's hard to believe that it's anything else (including forming complex shapes and human-looking form)...

~Dan

What happens if the security system and the apparitions are 2 unrelated island phenomena? The writers have never shown a direct link between them. In fact, Eko's death was the first time they were even remotely related. I don't recall any apparitions around when the security system yanked the pilot from the cockpit or tried to drag Locke into the hole. I don't remember the security system being involved when Jack chased his Father, Sayid and Shannon saw Walt, or Sawyer and Kate saw the Black Horse. That doesn't mean they aren't connected. It just means that it remains an open question, which was my main point from the start.

Kracko

11-15-06, 08:38 PM

Yeah, the Quitter Who Never Quits jumped out at me while reading.... :-)

Hey. I stuck out season 5 of Babylon 5. The last episode was a terrific payoff. If I can stick with that, I think I can stick with anything JJ can throw at us.
:D

maxman

11-15-06, 08:46 PM

"A little"!? Difference between VCR and HD-DVR to me is pretty much the difference between unwatchable and enjoyable.

The SA8300HD isn't bad. There used to be a lot more problems, but, at least as far as Cablevision's customers, the complaints are way down over a year ago.

No real complaints here with my SA8300HD. I love it - don't know how I got along without it actually.

cavalierlwt

11-16-06, 03:22 AM

[QUOTE=archiguy]Yep. There's a faction of us here who believe that comment the producers made was deliberate disinformation to throw us off the track. ;)
QUOTE]

I think that the producers must be forced to deliberately shoot down any and all theories we present, plus add misinformation whenever possible. Let's face it, if they didn't, we'd have it figured out in the first few months. The audience yelled out every possibility, then would just wait for the one instance where they don't deny, or suddenly get silent--poof! That would be the end of 'Lost'
Only solution for them is to say 'nope, wrong' to everything we suggest.

optivity

11-16-06, 07:20 AM

Yep. There's a faction of us here who believe that comment the producers made was deliberate disinformation to throw us off the track. ;)

I think that the producers must be forced to deliberately shoot down any and all theories we present, plus add misinformation whenever possible. Let's face it, if they didn't, we'd have it figured out in the first few months. The audience yelled out every possibility, then would just wait for the one instance where they don't deny, or suddenly get silent--poof! That would be the end of 'Lost'
Only solution for them is to say 'nope, wrong' to everything we suggest.I don't think they even have a well defined plan regarding an overall story arc for the Losties... and they're making things up as they go along. :rolleyes:

petergaryr

11-16-06, 07:23 AM

Hey. I stuck out season 5 of Babylon 5. The last episode was a terrific payoff. If I can stick with that, I think I can stick with anything JJ can throw at us.
:D

B5 is one of my all time favorites as well. Of course, the last episode of Season 5, Sleeping in Light was actually the last episode of Season 4 before they got the go-ahead for the 5th season, then shifted it to the final episode.

I do hope that the Lost series finale does better by its fans than JJ did to us Alias ones. Still, I stuck with it through its entire run.

petergaryr

11-16-06, 07:24 AM

I don't think they even have a well defined plan regarding an overall story arc for the Losties... and they're making things up as they go along. :rolleyes:

Which is, of course, another theory they have denied!

maxman

11-16-06, 12:33 PM

Its Wednesday and I have nothing to look forward to watch tonight. Any suggestions?

Hope you got a chance to see the show in HD from the international space station. Pretty cool!

Aliens

11-16-06, 03:21 PM

Hope you got a chance to see the show in HD from the international space station. Pretty cool!

And a lovely picture it was. ;)

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b315/Deltoid/0_21_kfc_logo_desert.jpg

nuttyinnyc

11-16-06, 04:17 PM

What's even funnier than the article, are the comments that people have made concerning it which seem.....um.....complaining. :eek:

My favorite is still the person who, on a weekly basis, threatens to stop watching the show. Then so states the next week. And the next. And the....
That was my favorite also. I hate, actually that is too strong, I dislike reading those (give up)post as I have said a number of times. If you don't like it change the channel. These post are to critique or praise. Not cry that ABC wasted your time(which was similar to the stockholder description). I love this show and will be there through every bad episode to every good one till the end. I blame only myself for making it part of my everyday schedule. But anyway that was a good article.

nuttyinnyc

11-16-06, 04:23 PM

Hey. I stuck out season 5 of Babylon 5. The last episode was a terrific payoff. If I can stick with that, I think I can stick with anything JJ can throw at us.
:D
I have to differ, the fight with the humans and humans S4 or S3 was a lot more satisfying then the Aliance vs the Shadows. I was kind of disappionted with that ending. They built up to this great battle and I thought they never delivered. But like you I stayed with it through channel changes, time warps and just confusing scheduling. But it was nice they ended the series.

optivity

11-16-06, 06:11 PM

B5 is one of my all time favorites as well. Of course, the last episode of Season 5, Sleeping in Light was actually the last episode of Season 4 before they got the go-ahead for the 5th season, then shifted it to the final episode.

I do hope that the Lost series finale does better by its fans than JJ did to us Alias ones. Still, I stuck with it through its entire run."In "Born to the Purple," Londo asks Vir, "What do you want, you moon-faced assassin of joy?" Vir has turned out to be an assassin, and by killing Cartagia, ..." & the Shadow Wars... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Without_End) now that was some story arc. ;)

BTW... on Wednesday nights... start watching "Bones" (http://www.fox.com/bones/) because Dr. Temperance Brennan is hot! :)

archiguy

11-16-06, 06:20 PM

I have to differ, the fight with the humans and humans S4 or S3 was a lot more satisfying then the Aliance vs the Shadows. I was kind of disappionted with that ending. They built up to this great battle and I thought they never delivered. But like you I stayed with it through channel changes, time warps and just confusing scheduling. But it was nice they ended the series.

Don't want to take this thread too far O.T., but I agree with you. After years of buildup, the ending to the Shadow war seemed rushed, poorly thought out, and was entirely unsatisfying. And then there was that whole fifth year which kind of felt the same way. I chocked it up to JMS burnout. Still, B5 was as close to "epic" as anything we've seen on the small screen.

rezzy

11-16-06, 07:25 PM

The producers are on record as saying it isn't nano-technology, but if you've read Michael Crichton's Prey, it's hard to believe that it's anything else (including forming complex shapes and human-looking form)...I still think it's nano-tech, but I (changed my mind &) think Eko died for reasons other than guilt. Upon rewatching the ep, he told Smokey he wasn't sorry and had nothing to confess for. Without a proper upbringing, he banged, slanged, pimped and did what he had to do to survive (in a war-torned country). And he didn't regret stealing in order to feed his little brother.

I want to think he died for killing those Others, but it's hard to say if Smokey is actually under their control or not.

nuttyinnyc

11-17-06, 11:04 AM

Don't want to take this thread too far O.T., but I agree with you. After years of buildup, the ending to the Shadow war seemed rushed, poorly thought out, and was entirely unsatisfying. And then there was that whole fifth year which kind of felt the same way. I chocked it up to JMS burnout. Still, B5 was as close to "epic" as anything we've seen on the small screen.
Well there really isn't much to chat about unless the Nanobots are coming.
But really, B5 had ships all over the place the line drawn in the sky bad vs good, an epic battle for survival then Bam, nothing just a classic line and war over. I actually was watching B5 like I watch Lost waiting with anticipation for each episode. Like you said maybe they rushed it. Maybe because they always didn't know if they were getting that renewal. But Lost is at least for one more year so I hope I don't get that feeling again. Right now I am on my toes for the Other vs Losties confrontation, but they haven't really built up to one yet. Right now they have built up to, who is Patchy and will he help us find our friends?

rezzy

11-18-06, 06:18 PM

I saw Santa Clause 3 today, and pregnant Mrs Claus was played by Juliet (Elizabeth Mitchell). She might've been actually pregnant, as she had a much fuller face than she did on Lost. Could've been really good makeup, but I almost didn't recognize her.

danco

11-19-06, 12:40 AM

rdwalt

11-19-06, 11:13 AM

Could have been really good makeup? Are you kidding? Do you think Tim Allen really weighs 290?

CPanther95

11-19-06, 12:28 PM

How would Tim Allen's makeup make Elizabeth Mitchell's face look fuller?

rezzy

11-19-06, 03:35 PM

She was also in Santa Clause 2...I pointed it out because Lost wasn't out then (I don't believe). She was relatively unknown. And yes, Tim Allen gained a hundred pounds for this role :rolleyes:.

dvdguru

11-19-06, 03:43 PM

ALOT of her was shown in Gia ;) I really like her umm, role in that movie lol

archiguy

11-19-06, 06:05 PM

ALOT of her was shown in Gia ;) I really like her umm, role in that movie lol

More than Angelina? :eek: I don't remember that.... may have to revisit that one. ;)

rdwalt

11-20-06, 10:52 AM

How would Tim Allen's makeup make Elizabeth Mitchell's face look fuller?

They're wearing the same makeup?

Iteki

11-20-06, 01:44 PM

Apologies if this has been posted/pointed out. I got very nostalgic at the Season 1 footage...

Lost Video (http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/player?mk=20152641&cid=126)

nuttyinnyc

11-20-06, 10:51 PM

Apologies if this has been posted/pointed out. I got very nostalgic at the Season 1 footage...

Lost Video (http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/player?mk=20152641&cid=126)
Dam you Iteki, now you got me in the mood to watch season 1. I am on vacation this weekso maybe I will have a lost marathon. Good video that is the first time I saw it.

I didn't know you get multiple shows on abc.com. Last year they were like nbc is this year. Only the previous weeks episode can be seen. So I can catch up is I forgot any of them.

maxman

11-21-06, 09:20 AM

Comcast May Add ABC to HD On Demand:

"Comcast may soon add ABC shows such as...Lost to its High-Definition On Demand lineup."

http://www.tvpredictions.com/comcastdisney112106.htm

optivity

11-21-06, 05:16 PM

"Comcast may soon add ABC shows such as...Lost to its High-Definition On Demand lineup."Why ask for additional channels (e.g. Sci-Fi) in high-definition when we can get HD repeats of programs we've already seen... "On Demand." :p It just doesn't get any better than that. :rolleyes:

maxman

11-21-06, 06:04 PM

Great for those who miss the show for some reason, but I never watch "OnDemand" movies/TV shows. Thing is, this is the future of movies, as opposed to DVD's (HD or otherwise). I think they should put some effort into upgrading the controls (fast forward, etc.). They're very "clunky" at this point.

maxman

11-21-06, 10:20 PM

Had to post this again since it came with a photo this time!

"Evangeline Lily of Lost will soon be In Demand." http://www.tvpredictions.com/discom112106.htm

http://www.tvpredictions.com/lily2.jpg

optivity

11-22-06, 06:57 AM

Had to post this again since it came with a photo this time!

"Evangeline Lily of Lost will soon be In Demand." http://www.tvpredictions.com/discom112106.htm

http://www.tvpredictions.com/lily2.jpgDefinitly the best shot of Kate we've seen on Lost. :) Perhaps some more T&A would boost the show's ratings. ;)

IrmoGamecoq

11-22-06, 09:57 AM

Yeah, it seems like it's been awhile since they've had a gratuitous shot of one of the Lost ladies...like that one, and the one when Kate and Sawyer went swimming/diving in that little lagoon/pond thing.

optivity

11-23-06, 08:19 AM

Old men need to get their jollies... somewhere, like at work where the young "hotties" wear those low cut jeans and too short shirts that expose their tattooed back-sides. :D

rezzy

11-23-06, 08:26 AM

nuttyinnyc

11-23-06, 09:06 AM

Did anyone see the new Lost preview with Locke and Hurley? Hugo seems to think John is withholding some info and confronted him about it. I kept playing back the recorded clip (shown during Daybreak commercial), and I still can't decipher what Hurley's last statement was. I even tried turning on captioning.....anyone?
Hurley questioned Locke about what happened at the Hatch, did they come back different? His last statement was something like "so telling the future isn't different." Something along those lines. Hurley is just getting curious because of the light and noise and the fact all 3 lived.

Neil L

11-23-06, 03:25 PM

And Hurley saw first hand how Desmond seems to be able to see the future. 'Course, Hurley doesn't know that Desmond seemed to have such ability before the Hatch incident, like when talking to Jack in the stadium way back when.

KerouactheCat

11-23-06, 11:47 PM

Don't want to take this thread too far O.T., but I agree with you. After years of buildup, the ending to the Shadow war seemed rushed, poorly thought out, and was entirely unsatisfying. And then there was that whole fifth year which kind of felt the same way. I chocked it up to JMS burnout. Still, B5 was as close to "epic" as anything we've seen on the small screen.

I was just catching up in this thread, and I also don't want to pull this too far off track, but, being a big b5 fan, JMS didn't know if the fifth year would exist. I remember reading that he wanted to end S4 with Sheridan being imprisoned, but he had to wrap it up early just in case. And I am sure S5 was rushed more so than burnout.

but, I digress (b5 fanboy here).

'Course, Hurley doesn't know that Desmond seemed to have such ability before the Hatch incident, like when talking to Jack in the stadium way back when.

I'll have to watch the scene again, but I don't think he had any extra sensory type abilities then, or if so, he never realized it. Do you think he would have ended up on the island if he could see a little into the future?

Interesting thought though.

I am enjoying season 3 more than season 2. The hatch just really weighed everything down imo, it feels more, 'in the jungle' again. But it seems we are getting too many hints and not enough mystery.

optivity

11-24-06, 05:48 AM

I was just catching up in this thread, and I also don't want to pull this too far off track, but, being a big b5 fan, JMS didn't know if the fifth year would exist. I remember reading that he wanted to end S4 with Sheridan being imprisoned, but he had to wrap it up early just in case. And I am sure S5 was rushed more so than burnout.

but, I digress (b5 fanboy here).Similar to the sad demise of Farscape.

nuttyinnyc

12-04-06, 03:00 PM

To all fans, I knew Mr. Eko shouldn't leave the series. I could swear that I saw him in my neighborhood wearing the same hat he wore on OZ delivering the weekly circulars house to house. Guess that movie in London never panned out.

Ok, but fot the real deal. Did anyone see Charlie and Hurley going through Sawyers stash? Looks like there will be some Losties getting a beat down when sawyer gets back.
By the way, Daybreak isn't that bad. People give it a try. It is fast paced enough that you can really enjoy yourself. It is no where near the complex story like LOST. It is like a extended summer action movie.

rustycruiser

12-05-06, 10:12 PM

Taken from fredfa's excellent Latest News and Info thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9087278

'Lost' finds new timeslot
Shift ensures the show won't have to battle 'American Idol'

By Josef Adalian Variety Dec 5, 2006

ABC is moving "Lost" out of the way of the "American Idol" juggernaut.

Alphabet's January sked, set to be unveiled later today, has "Lost" moving to Wednesdays at 10 when it returns Feb. 7, insiders said. Shift ensures the third-year skein won't have to battle the Fox behemoth.

A year ago, "Lost" took a notable ratings hit once "Idol" returned. Skein has held steady in the ratings this fall vs. last spring, but ABC execs clearly don't want to take the chance of further slippage.

Net's affils should be happy with the shift. With "Lost" at 10 p.m., ABC will be delivering local stations their best numbers for the slot in years.

ABC isn't completely backing away from "Idol," however.

Net has decided to slot its buzzworthy laffer "Knights of Prosperity" Wednesdays at 9 p.m., directly against the "Idol" results show. It'll be paired at 9:30 with another new comedy, "In Case of Emergency."

New laffer block is set to debut Jan. 3, a month before "Daybreak" was set to end its run. Skein may shift to 10 p.m. Wednesday before "Lost" premieres, though it's more likely it'll simply be yanked at the end of December or moved to another night.

ABC will round out its Wednesday lineup with new episodes of "George Lopez" and "According to Jim" from 8-9 p.m. Net will double-pump "Jim" for a few weeks, with "George" bowing Jan. 24 at 8 p.m.

On Tuesdays, "Show Me the Money' will shift to 8 p.m. on Jan. 2. It'll be paired with "Big Day" and "Help Me Help You." Latter laffer may eventually be replaced by newcomer "Notes from the Underbelly," though no decision has been made.

ABC's Sunday, Monday and Thursday skeds will remain unchanged for now. At some point, net will have to make room for the return of "Dancing with the Stars."

On Fridays, ABC will continue to vamp with repeats. Saturday will be a mix of movies and specials.

Still on the bench: six episodes of "The Nine" and "Six Degrees."

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117955107.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

lax01

12-05-06, 10:56 PM

nuttyinnyc

12-06-06, 03:21 AM

Lost against Medium, not fair. I like Medium. I hope NBC gives this show a chance and doesn't leave it there. It is holding up well against CSI NY, but will be much lower once Lost returns. It will get ratings close to what Kidnapped got. That will be a great battle CSI:NY (15 mil)vs LOST (16.5 mil). Cimminal minds was a more mature adult show. So it's ratings success wasn't eating into Lost's ad friendly ratings group. CSI will. It will be a great battle and when it returns a 10 pm slot might increase viewership. Plus you will have those 30 mil watching AI that might want a good ole scripted drama after the auditions (which I do watch because I love stupid people[the non-singers|) and eliminations (that I don't waste my time with).

rdwalt

12-06-06, 10:27 AM

Hey everyone! How are we holding up? Daybreak is pretty good but certainly no LOST. I just wanted to come here to tell everyone that I have a new favorite show - Heros. It's not that I don't like LOST anymore because I still do but there isn't an episode of Heros that has gone by where I didn't get goosebumps at some point. I've never gotten goosebumps from LOST. The other great part about Heros is I don't have to visit a web forum to try to figure out what's going on with the show! :p

petergaryr

12-06-06, 10:57 AM

rdwalt

12-06-06, 12:03 PM

I think I like it better because it is more fantasy than reality which to me is more entertaining. It's also a lot more positive and a lot less frustrating.

timick1

12-06-06, 12:51 PM

Old men need to get their jollies... somewhere, like at work where the young "hotties" wear those low cut jeans and too short shirts that expose their tattooed back-sides. :D

Can I get a job where you work please?!?

archiguy

12-06-06, 01:34 PM

rdwalt

12-06-06, 07:21 PM

I like 'Heroes' too, and consider it an enjoyable hour of weekly fluff, but to compare it to LOST.....? :eek: Aw, c'mon. Not even in the same league from a writing and acting standpoint. Even with the less-than-stellar miniseason, LOST still blows 'Heroes' away, IMO.

I think what we're seeing here with all this 'Heroes' love and LOST bashing is a reaction to something shiny and new, and something that's got a few miles on the tires and the quality of which we've kinda' come to take for granted. LOST still rules, man.

Don't get me wrong. I wasn't trying to bash LOST and I don't think I was trying to compair it either. I was just stating my opinion too. The reason I came here to post was just I was surprised that I liked Heros better than LOST because when I started watching LOST it was THE BEST TV I've ever seen EVER... and I still think it's better than anything else out there, except for Heros. :p

I'm not expecting everyone to agree with me, after all some of my favorite movies are animation. :p

keenan

12-06-06, 08:46 PM

Don't get me wrong. I wasn't trying to bash LOST and I don't think I was trying to compair it either. I was just stating my opinion too. The reason I came here to post was just I was surprised that I liked Heros better than LOST because when I started watching LOST it was THE BEST TV I've ever seen EVER... and I still think it's better than anything else out there, except for Heros. :p

I'm not expecting everyone to agree with me, after all some of my favorite movies are animation. :p
I pretty much feel the same way, "Lost" has become akin to a "Day's of Our Lives" set on a tropical island. Which is fine, if the writers want a character based, interpersonal drama, then that's okay, but based on the first season, I was expecting a bit more to be happening, or at least explained now that we're near halfway through the third season. Yes, a lot has been explained. Call me simple if you will, but once in awhile I would like to see a reveal, something explained, a big movement forward, something other than the fact that all these people have personal issues and demons.

"Heroes", while it's certainly not as "deep" as "Lost" is a hell of a lot of fun to watch and even raises some philosophical debate and questions as well.

"Lost", to me, is just dawdling along and the focus is on how screwed up these people are, which again is okay, the problem is that all this is taking place in an obviously supernatural environment, a place where none of us have ever been or experienced, so it's very difficult to relate to their situations. Honestly, I'll bet there isn't one person who's ever posted to this thread that hasn't asked, or at least thought about it, why don't the people on this island ask questions? The other thing is the timeline, I have a hard time reconciling the fact that so far, all of this has taken place in about 2 months or so while watching it over 3 years on TV. It's hard to accept that what I saw over 2 years, only happened a couple or 3 weeks ago on the island itself.

Hopefully when it come back, "Lost" will grab me like it did in the first season, but for now, frankly, I'm bored with it.

nuttyinnyc

12-06-06, 08:47 PM

I like 'Heroes' too, and consider it an enjoyable hour of weekly fluff, but to compare it to LOST.....? :eek: Aw, c'mon. Not even in the same league from a writing and acting standpoint. Even with the less-than-stellar miniseason, LOST still blows 'Heroes' away, IMO.

I think what we're seeing here with all this 'Heroes' love and LOST bashing is a reaction to something shiny and new, and something that's got a few miles on the tires and the quality of which we've kinda' come to take for granted. LOST still rules, man.
Come on Arch, I wasn't readin LOST bashing, just showing that his favored must see of the week has changed that is all. They just want a quick ending and not a mystery within a mystery like LOST provides. I am die hard Lost fan, but I don't get as deep into the mysteries as some people do. Plus I love Heroes. It has made me feel like the first season of lost did. That is what I read their comparisson was for. This isn't as mystery oriented as LOST is.

As you guys read earlier, I like medium also so you already know what my must watch will be. But I still have a big conundrum come january. If the 4 hr premiere of 24 blows me away Heroes might be reduced to the 10 oclock watch. or friday when it is on scifi. I am like a lot of people with those 2 shows. It is up in the air which one to watch

nuttyinnyc

12-06-06, 08:52 PM

nuttyinnyc

12-06-06, 10:04 PM

good minute preview today during daybreak, the shortest one but it was one of the better ones.

optivity

12-07-06, 07:36 AM

keenan

12-07-06, 12:28 PM

Agreed. I've been following "Heroes" and while entertaining it's definitely not in the same category as "Lost."

"So say we all."

BTW... the Sci Fi channel has been hyping the living $hi# out of their upcoming mini series... the lost room (http://www.scifi.com/). Is everyone planning on tuning in?
I've been seeing those ads and it looks interesting, but I probably won't bother. If it was in HD I probably would, but I can take only so much of SciFi's incredibly crappy PQ.

timdgibson

12-07-06, 01:42 PM

There's a new podcast from Carlton & Damon. I listened to it on my way in to work this morning. They talked about the 2nd half of the season; it's going to be really good. I won't mention anything, since it's spoilerish.

Check it out.

tim

optivity

12-07-06, 05:59 PM

I've been seeing those ads and it looks interesting, but I probably won't bother. If it was in HD I probably would, but I can take only so much of SciFi's incredibly crappy PQ.I know that's a disappointment, but I've got my SA8300 set to output 480p/1080i which makes SD content more palatable.

What do you do about BSG?

BTW... I'm enjoying the series: “Dead Like Me,” which I never caught when it originally aired on Showtime. “Dead Like Me” is carried in HD on HDNet.

archiguy

12-07-06, 06:20 PM

What do you do about BSG?

Gut it out. That's the one show that's so good, most of its bafflingly-too-small legion of fans would watch it on an iPOD if they had to. Not that SciFi is that much better. ;)

optivity

12-07-06, 06:28 PM

"So say we all." :)

keenan

12-07-06, 07:50 PM

Gut it out. That's the one show that's so good, most of its bafflingly-too-small legion of fans would watch it on an iPOD if they had to. Not that SciFi is that much better. ;)
Exactly, this new show on the other hand would have to awfully good to increase the pain of watching SciFi. :p

Maybe it will air in HD on The Movie Channel in Canada like "Stargate: Atlantis" does. :) :)

Bluto17

12-08-06, 11:19 AM

I've been seeing those ads and it looks interesting, but I probably won't bother. If it was in HD I probably would, but I can take only so much of SciFi's incredibly crappy PQ.

I'm hopeful it eventually shows up on UHD, like "The Triangle" recently did.

Steve Scherrer

12-08-06, 11:32 AM

Gut it out. That's the one show that's so good, most of its bafflingly-too-small legion of fans would watch it on an iPOD if they had to. Not that SciFi is that much better. ;)

I am a recent convert--and I have been doing my part to spread the gospel of BSG. In my case, I was influenced not to watch it originally because of the memories of the previous incarnation (that I liked as a child, but remembered its kitchiness).

NorthJersey

12-08-06, 11:53 AM

Has any noticed that ABC has moved Lost from the 9pm slot to the 10pm slot when it re-airs in February ? The 3rd timeslot for the show since it debuted. Once season 5 hits, guess I'll have to forego Conan to watch at midnight...

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117955107.html?categoryid=14&cs=1&p=0

ABC is moving "Lost" out of the way of the "American Idol" juggernaut.

Alphabet on Tuesday unveiled a January sked that has the spooky Wednesday drama moving back an hour to 10 p.m. when it returns Feb. 7. Shift -- the third timeslot for the show in as many years -- ensures the skein won't have to battle the Fox behemoth.

A year ago, "Lost" scored boffo numbers at 9 p.m. during the fall but took a notable ratings hit once "Idol" returned in January. Skein has since held steady in the ratings, but ABC execs clearly don't want to risk further slippage.

Net's affils should be happy with the shift. With "Lost" at 10 p.m., ABC will likely deliver local stations their best new lead-in numbers for the slot in years.

In addition to shielding "Lost" from "Idol," ABC is also protecting it from rising CBS drama "Criminal Minds" and NBC's "Deal or No Deal," which moves into the 9 p.m. Wednesday slot next month.

As for what will compete against "Idol," ABC has decided that laughter -- and games -- are the best medicine. Net has slotted its laffer "Knights of Prosperity" Wednesdays at 9 p.m., directly against the "Idol" results show. It'll be paired at 9:30 with another new comedy, "In Case of Emergency."

Laffer hour is set to debut Jan. 3, a month before "Day Break" was set to end its run. ABC News programming will fill the 10 p.m. Wednesday slot in January before "Lost" returns.

"Day Break" will either be yanked after its Dec. 27 broadcast or moved to another night. No word on what will happen with the remaining five episodes of the skein, if ABC doesn't move the show to a new night.

ABC will round out its Wednesday lineup with new episodes of "George Lopez" and "According to Jim" from 8-9 p.m. Net will double-pump "Jim" for a few weeks starting Jan. 3, with "George" bowing Jan. 24 at 8 p.m.

On Tuesdays, William Shatner is expected to take on Simon Cowell and Co. as quizzer "Show Me the Money" shifts to 8 p.m. on Jan. 2. It'll be paired with "Big Day" and "Help Me Help You" at 9 and 9:30, respectively.

"Help Me" may eventually be replaced by newcomer "Notes From the Underbelly," though ABC didn't announce any firm plans for that show.

ABC's Sunday, Monday and Thursday skeds are unchanged for now. At some point, the net will have to make room for the return of "Dancing With the Stars" in March, prompting another round of sked shuffles.

On Fridays, ABC will continue to vamp with repeats. Saturday will be a mix of movies and specials.

Still on the bench: six unaired episodes of "The Nine" and "Six Degrees," as well as midseason contenders "October Road," "The Traveler" and "Masters of Sci-Fi."

Innova

12-08-06, 12:45 PM

Has any noticed that ABC has moved Lost from the 9pm slot to the 10pm slot when it re-airs in February ?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9087412&&#post9087412

;)

optivity

12-08-06, 02:53 PM

Face it folks... America has voted & AI (http://www.americanidol.com/) is the 300-Pound Gorilla of it's time-slot. :rolleyes:

danco

12-08-06, 04:04 PM

Face it folks... America has voted & AI (http://www.americanidol.com/) is the 300-Pound Gorilla of it's time-slot. :rolleyes:
Maybe, maybe not. Neilsen has a habit of *not* counting every vote.

optivity

12-08-06, 05:32 PM

Maybe, maybe not. Neilsen has a habit of *not* counting every vote.The fact that ABC felt compelled to move "Lost" from 9 to 10 PM is indicative that AI wins the ratings game.

archiguy

12-08-06, 05:53 PM

The fact that ABC felt compelled to move "Lost" from 9 to 10 PM is indicative that AI wins the ratings game.

I'm a little worried about the 10 PM timeslot for LOST. It's got a lot of kids watching as well (it started out in the "family hour" of 8 PM, remember), and they're going to lose a lot of them. I just don't think it's really a "10 PM show". I predict more audience erosion because of this, but I guess ABC is betting that leaving it to compete against the A.I. results show would be even worse.

Now watch FOX extend the results show to 2 hours just to frack with ABC. :p They wield A.I. like a bludgeon, crushing everything in its path.

bobby94928

12-08-06, 05:59 PM

Taking Lost out of the kiddie hours may allow us to see a bit more of Kate!!!! :)

russwong

12-08-06, 06:12 PM

optivity

12-09-06, 08:52 AM

I'm a little worried about the 10 PM timeslot for LOST. It's got a lot of kids watching as well (it started out in the "family hour" of 8 PM, remember), and they're going to lose a lot of them. I just don't think it's really a "10 PM show". I predict more audience erosion because of this, but I guess ABC is betting that leaving it to compete against the A.I. results show would be even worse.

Now watch FOX extend the results show to 2 hours just to frack with ABC. :p They wield A.I. like a bludgeon, crushing everything in its path.Sad but true... even a 50-year-old man :eek: whose alarm clock goes off at 6 AM :eek: :eek: has a hard time making it past 10. :rolleyes:

A 10 PM time-slot will not benefit "Lost" in the ratings game. Why didn't ABC just change it to another day when AI is not on?

archiguy

12-09-06, 09:15 AM

A 10 PM time-slot will not benefit "Lost" in the ratings game. Why didn't ABC just change it to another day when AI is not on?

FOX is shameless about moving A.I. around and changing it's length at will to clobber anything they want. I was serious when I said they wield it like a club. Say what you will about ABC's fluffy 'Dancing with the Stars' (my guilty pleasure on fredfa's TV poll), but they schedule it and leave it alone for the duration.

And you know why all this happens? Because the vast majority of folks still watch TV the old fashioned way - in real time. Oh, I long for the day when every household will be a DVR household. Let Nielsen figure out a way to rate 'em, and let the best shows win on merit, but at least we would no longer be subjected to the "tyranny of the timeslot"TM.

optivity

12-09-06, 09:24 AM

And you know why all this happens? Because the vast majority of folks still watch TV the old fashioned way - in real time.Another sad but true reality of "optivity's" existence is that "Lost" has been the "highlight" of his Wednesday evenings during the past three years and he makes it a point to work it into his "real-time" TV viewing schedule. :D

Neil L

12-09-06, 02:27 PM

Sad but true... even a 50-year-old man :eek: whose alarm clock goes off at 6 AM :eek: :eek: has a hard time making it past 10. :rolleyes: That would be true of me as well, except I live in the central time zone. So Lost will be on at 9PM here. That's one of the nice things about living in the middle of nowhere. :D

optivity

12-09-06, 05:18 PM

That's one of the nice things about living in the middle of nowhere. :DI live in the smAlbany NY region where the sidewalks are rolled-up around 5 PM each night. The only people out & about after that... seem to be interested in getting HIGH on something other than technology.

gakon

12-09-06, 06:32 PM

I live in the smAlbany NY region where the sidewalks are rolled-up around 5 PM each night. The only people out & about after that... seem to be interested in getting HIGH on something other than technology.Hey - I was just there visiting family! It's not that bad - the malls are open til 10, at least. :p

nuttyinnyc

12-10-06, 08:33 PM

You guys forget that other then thursday night, the 10pm hour is the most watched Time slot on the big 3. Sure it will lose grand ma's and pa's and the pre-teen crowd but it will gain the odd network crowd. CW and Fox do not broadcast after 10pm, so what does that huge crowd do, look for what is new. CSI-Miami, Medium, or Lost. Neilsens do count DVR's but that only includes the no commercial crowd, 1 hr plus viewers. The "hold it to the weekend" viewer is not counted and will not be for some time to come. The networks had this arguement with Neilsen before and the best Neilsen did for them was to give them the 1 hr plus rating. We can never get a accurate sampling of true viewing habits, but this system is the best there is right now. I know I have to adjust my viewing habits for this change.

FreeBaGeL

12-10-06, 09:26 PM

Bah, I say let it go head to head with Lost. I don't want anyone that would watch AI over Lost watching anyhow, heh.

nuttyinnyc

12-10-06, 10:03 PM

I thnink so also, It held up supprisingly good last year, AI was getting 25-30 mil and Lost was doing 16-18 mil. Right there is a sign of a great series holding it's own versus King kong ot TV It will be a good fight if abc kept it there. If the ads aren't sold already that would have been a great grudge match sale.

R11

12-11-06, 12:37 PM

epsilon

12-11-06, 01:07 PM

The networks had this arguement with Neilsen before and the best Neilsen did for them was to give them the 1 hr plus rating.
You mean Live plus single day ratings. Actually, they currently give Live, Live+7 and Live+1 days ratings but it looks like they'll abandon the first two.

HDNair

12-11-06, 01:47 PM

I've been watching Lost from the beginning as well as a number of people from my office, but most of them have gotten bored with it and no longer watch. I'm bored with it, but still watch it. But I noticed when my feelings changed, was when with Lost I used to want to watch it right away that day. Now I'm okay with a few episodes getting recorded and then watching it later. With Hereos, I want to watch it right away and can't wait for the next episode.

I like the fact that there are some answers in Hereos. Kinda like Surface vs Invasion. I was interested in both from the start, but Surface gave me some answers, while Invasion was non-stop nothing. That's how I feel about Lost. Non-stop nothing..... I guess on the same token, if Lost gave us answers, there might not be a show anymore, so I guess it's a double edged sword.

Russ

I'm also more into Heroes at the moment, but I don't think comparing Season 1 of Heroes is an apt comparison to season 2 or 3 of Lost. Compare it to Season 1. I was addicted to Lost the first season, and while I'm still into the show, the interest level has definitely declined. In all reality, now that we know Heroes will continue for another season and likely longer, the interest level with Heroes may decline as well.

The decline in interest with Lost (speaking for myself now) isn't so much about "non-stop nothing" or questions being answered, but it's about what made the first season so interesting... the sense of mystery and the characters... not being sustained. I don't think the solution is to answer the mysteries of the first season, but nevertheless the mysteries of the latter seasons haven't been as intruiging. I'm not as interested in what the nature of the Dharma Initiative is, or what the Others are doing on the island, as I was in finding out what the deal was with monster, the disembodied whispers, why Jack saw his father, etc. Of course these questions are still there, but the focus of the show has shifted elsewhere.

I don't want to sound like I'm ripping Lost, of course. It's one of only three shows I still have an interest in watching. But it's difficult for a show like this to sustain itself at a certain level, especially when it started out so good.

nuttyinnyc

12-11-06, 04:38 PM

You mean Live plus single day ratings. Actually, they currently give Live, Live+7 and Live+1 days ratings but it looks like they'll abandon the first two.
Epsi: they are giving live plus single day. I thought it was only an hr. OK cool so that does add the no commercial crowd on the next afternoon crowd.
r11: I was just responding to the the remark earlier. I believe Lost has lost most of the grand parent crowd to Criminal Minds just like you.

TommyK

12-13-06, 10:46 PM

Iteki

12-14-06, 09:46 AM

I've sampled enough of Daybreak to catch a few of the Lost preview scenes from the upcoming episodes when it returns. I don't know... to me it looks like we're in for just more of the same. The stupid cages, the dreary, boring Others, more unfamiliar counterfeit "additional survivors..." Is it just me? Not all of the clips I've caught were bad, but there's been nothing that's made me say, "Wow, that's gonna be huge." I'll certainly be happy if I end up being wrong in January.

Jack yelling and screaming and whining like a little b*tch...as usual these days. I miss the old Jack who just took care of business. He's been on the verge of a nervous breakdown for 2.5 seasons now, which I suppose is realistic, but not much fun to watch. :-)

mr b

12-14-06, 12:13 PM

What I really want is for someone to answer a question with..."OK, here's what going on...blah, blah, blah" The routine of people on all sides being so mysterious when answering questions is getting a li'l tiring. When Jack asks the lady about what's going on, as usual her answer is rather convoluted. Even the losties act this way.

Still a great show. Just my 2 cents.

R11

12-14-06, 01:17 PM

Without saying too much here that would be spoilerish... From last night's preview it was nice to see that they aren't just dropping/ignoring *something* from the events of late last season. So far, they have been pretty faithful in bringing the loose ends back in at some point.

ron

nuttyinnyc

12-14-06, 01:37 PM

Jack yelling and screaming and whining like a little b*tch...as usual these days. I miss the old Jack who just took care of business. He's been on the verge of a nervous breakdown for 2.5 seasons now, which I suppose is realistic, but not much fun to watch. :-)
All these have been clips, nothing special, Just things that will have an impact on the coming 17 epidoses. if you really have watched for the past three years you would know what will cause a problem or what each preview is leading to. Kepp on tuning because there is suppose to be a 5 min one close to the end that will give a good plot point.

I don't know what more of the same you are seeing, But it looks liks escape, revenge, and dissent is on the way for LOST. That to me sounds like a good 17 episodes.

Iteki

12-14-06, 03:54 PM

I don't know what more of the same you are seeing, But it looks liks escape, revenge, and dissent is on the way for LOST. That to me sounds like a good 17 episodes.

I love the show, just tired of Jack whining. I still love LOST, just know it can be better.

nuttyinnyc

12-14-06, 04:25 PM

Well at least he showed some Balls with the finale. Let's hope he keeps them for the remaining 17 episodes.

TommyK

12-14-06, 10:07 PM

...it looks liks escape, revenge, and dissent is on the way for LOST. That to me sounds like a good 17 episodes.Sounds good to me, too. Here's to hoping...

optivity

12-15-06, 07:04 AM

I love the show, just tired of Jack whining. I still love LOST, just know it can be better.Jack whining? Remember, there was a whole season of: "my boy, my boy, Walt, I've got to save my boy!" :eek:

Iteki

12-15-06, 09:18 AM

Jack whining? Remember, there was a whole season of: "my boy, my boy, Walt, I've got to save my boy!" :eek:

LOL plus he went all R Kelly and 'pulled out my gun'. but he was ALWAYS whiny..Jack wasn't lol

mr2828

12-15-06, 10:26 PM

Are the "Lost Moments" from Daybreak ok to discuss? The one this week was pretty interesting, and may bring back discussion of the plane crash.

ridgefamus

12-15-06, 11:50 PM

Not if I was the Mod. I have been watching Day Break via DVR and ffw thru commercials and have not seen any of the promos. I would choose not to be influenced by what the "Moments" disclose.

mr2828

12-16-06, 12:03 PM

Yet they are official ABC promos, no different really than the promos they show at the end of normal eps, except these are a bit shorter. I think we should allow it.

archiguy

12-16-06, 12:19 PM

Why not use the existing LOST spoilers thread for any discussion of the promos? That's what it's for. Personally, I didn't watch 'Daybreak' and I'd rather not know about them. Just dig up the other thread and have at it.

nuttyinnyc

12-16-06, 12:42 PM

Yet they are official ABC promos, no different really than the promos they show at the end of normal eps, except these are a bit shorter. I think we should allow it.
This has been discussed at length, only the actually airing of an episode can be posted. There are people who do not watch the previews anymore because they reveal to much. I have been trying my best to hold my tongue about these promos. They have all been short and lsweet. Each one lets people conclude what they want out of them but still would be considered a spoiler to some. Only another 53 days to wait, I think it shouldn't be a problem.

CPanther95

12-16-06, 02:01 PM

Use the Spoiler thread to discuss any previews that did not air immediately following the show.

We can't continually change the definition of spoiler.

Fiend

12-16-06, 03:05 PM

This has been discussed at length, only the actually airing of an episode can be posted. There are people who do not watch the previews anymore because they reveal to much. I have been trying my best to hold my tongue about these promos. They have all been short and lsweet. Each one lets people conclude what they want out of them but still would be considered a spoiler to some. Only another 53 days to wait, I think it shouldn't be a problem.

As Cpanther said, it's not only the airing of the show, but also the preview that follows.... anything other than that is a spoiler...

turansformer

12-16-06, 09:39 PM

I was reading through ign.com the other day, and found an article on the top 50 loose ends of Lost. Wow, I forgot how much is still left unsolved.

50. Who are the others and what is their relation to the outside world?
49. Who is the guy with the eye patch?
48. How did Sawyer, Jack, and Kate get to Prison Island?
47. What does the quote on Eko's stick mean?
46. What's up with the four-toed statue foot?
45. Why were all the guns in the hatch?
44. What is the purpose of the cable Sayid finds in "Solitary"?
43. What significance does Compas bearing 325 have?
42. What is the true purpose of The Pearl?
41. What's the story behind the radio tower?
40. Who are the skeletons in the cave?
39. Why didn't Ben take Jack earlier?
38. What is the significance of 108 minutes?
37. How long have the events on the island been going on?
36. Who is Christian's daughter?
35. Who is The Pearl's crew?
34. Does the black and white symbolism have meaning?
33. How did Jack survive such a toss from the plane?
32. What's up with the supply drop?
31. Why couldn't Desmond leave?
30. Why has Ben always lived on the island?
29. Where was Desmond hiding his boat?
28. Where are the other survivors that were captured by the Others?
27. The Dharma Shark?
26. Why is Libby so connected to everyone?
25. Are the survivors returning to The Black Rock?
24. Did Michael and Walt make it out ok?
23. How can Desmond see the future?
22. Why did the hatch implosion affect Desmond, Eko, and Locke the way it did?
21. Where is Christian's body?
20. Why is Aaron so important?
19. What is the voice in the woods?
18. Why was Eko murdered?
17. What is the significance of Jacob's list?
16. Which of the survivors were "good" and "bad" on the Other's list?
15. Why do the Other's want children?
14. How did so many people survive the crash?
13. What is Christian's symbology?
12. What is the Other's master plan?
11. What hides the island?
10. What is the story behind the disease supposedly present?
9. How can the island heal the survivors?
8. When did Locke lose the use of his legs?
7. Why are dead characters appearing?
6. What's the story behind the Polar Bears?
5. Why is there such an unusual connection with all the castaways?
4. What is the full story behind the DHARMA Initiative?
3. Does Walt have supernatural-like powers?
2. What the hell is the story behind the Monster?
1. What do the numbers "4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42" mean?

mr2828

12-16-06, 10:23 PM

The #1 mystery there was already explained this summer in the web game.

danco

12-16-06, 11:28 PM

The #1 mystery there was already explained this summer in the web game.
Sorry, but that doesn't cut it. Lost is a TV show, and the answers should come on the TV show.

Not everyone plays the alternate games, nor should we be required to (hence the "alternate")...

~Dan

mr2828

12-17-06, 12:23 AM

I do hope they bring it up in the series, but in general I wouldn't count on answers to every single outstanding question to be spoonfed to you along the way. I have a strong suspicion the series will eventually wind up with probably half the outstanding issues never gotten to, for lack of time, or lack of ability to fit it all within the primary story arcs, or many just completely dropped for lack of interest. It's almost certain that at the end you will be left digging around the Net for scraps left by TPTB. So why wait? Start scraping now - at the least web game bits you know are blessed by them and can be trusted.

keenan

12-17-06, 03:34 AM

Sorry, but that doesn't cut it. Lost is a TV show, and the answers should come on the TV show.

Not everyone plays the alternate games, nor should we be required to (hence the "alternate")...

~Dan
I agree, if that's the way this show is going to go, then I'm done with it. Don't pound me with those numbers for two years and then expect me to go to a website to find the answer. Lost may be a grand experiment in multifaceted media delivery, and maybe it works for some, but I watch TV, I don't play web games, or search the internet for answers that should be handled in the show.

Bur- Lee

12-17-06, 08:49 AM

Lost is my favorite show of all time but I hope it doesn't go past 4-5 seasons. If the producers answered one question on this list per episode, we would easily make it into season 5.

rezzy

12-17-06, 08:54 AM

#18) Because the actor who portrayed him wanted to pursue other opportunities (the real reason is he had a run-in with the law ;).

#27) The tatooed shark was to see who was paying attention. Even if it was in captivity at one time, it's now in the wild....so what's the mystery there?

Iteki

12-17-06, 01:38 PM

#18) Because the actor who portrayed him wanted to pursue other opportunities (the real reason is he had a run-in with the law ;).

We all thought so too at first, but the charges were silly. NOT a DUI like many of us thought. They were dropped.

Apparently his parents died this past year, and he wanted to return to London to be near his remaining family. According to both sides (Actor and Producers) his run was always meant to be short lived.

ridgefamus

12-17-06, 01:42 PM

I agree, if that's the way this show is going to go, then I'm done with it. Don't pound me with those numbers for two years and then expect me to go to a website to find the answer. Lost may be a grand experiment in multifaceted media delivery, and maybe it works for some, but I watch TV, I don't play web games, or search the internet for answers that should be handled in the show.

I hear you and agree to an extent. I used to read newspapers for full and complete accounts of news items. Now, the bottom of every story has a link to a website for additional information. The 'net has changed the way we perceive and do so many things these days (don't you price-shop online before puling the trigger locally on many items?) that we need to change our habits if we want to get along with our daily needs and the world at large.

Quite a few TV shows encourage viewers to go to the network website for follow-up on the show. I've never done it but there may be something to it that enriches the experience. They probably ARE trying to change our old ways. Maybe one reason is knowing how many viewers are recording shows on DVRs and using FF to skip commercials. If they can get eyes on ads on the website, they've created another revenue stream.

fergymancu

12-17-06, 06:24 PM

I get HD OTA from local channels and it typically works out great. On Wed. nights, my wife watched 'Dancing With The Stars' (please, hold your puke for after my post)...and it's in beautiful hi-def. But as soon as Lost came on, the picture became jumpy. I didn't get any blurring or macro'ing, but it was unwatchable. The audio was fine.

I'm in the Greenville, SC area. I got Saturday college football games just fine from the same ABC affiliate, but Lost was always jumpy.

I have a Vizio 32'' LCD. 1080i up convert capable, but only 768 pix vertical. I'm thinking maybe Lost is broadcast in 1080i and since the signal is already weak, my TV has trouble converting on the fly.

Any ideas?

nuttyinnyc

12-17-06, 06:30 PM

Those questions make it seem like they left them all open since season one. A lot of the answer toward the top of the list they were working on answering as we progressed through this season. Plus there are many duplicate questions. Just worded totally differnt. Why couldn't they just ask, (1 & 38)what is with the numbers? We all know them and that they add up to 108. How did Jack survive? Please How did all the Losties survive, they all landed on ground. The Tallies are the only ones that should have a decent chance of survival. They landed in the water. (26 & 5)Why is Libby singled out when they already ask of the connetions of the castaways? (16 & 17)Isn't Jacobs list the same as the good and bad list. (43 & 24)Walt and Micheal are the ones who will determine both these questions but we won't see them till next year.

I do think they could have got to fifty orginal questiions, but they didn't need to duplicate questions just to make it there.

Plus I agree with you guys, just because ABC is trying to make this a multi-media experience doesn't give them and the producers an out to explaining the questions that are developed during the show. Not everyone plays the games and looks at every site that ABC is connected to to get answers. The show is were they need to answer the questions. I know they will not answer them all but I would like the biggies to be answered before the show ends. My top five from the 50 are 1, 2, 46, 50, 8. These five will lead to answers of a lot more of them. But #8 has been killing me since his first episode of season 1. Him have at least 4 more episodes since season with no answers is just RUDE!!!!