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Luckily, no one was home at the time:


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Luckily, no one was home at the time:


http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Dec/20/br/br9371206485.html

Except her sleazy stepfather!

Hmmm, is it just me or does there seem to be an abnormally high incidence of "bad luck" involving LOST cast members? Fires, robberies, traffic/cop issues etc. Maybe it's the numbers....


ron

why is the Hobbit dateing miss long legs?

why is the Hobbit dateing miss long legs?
So she has somewhere to stay when her house burns down?

Other than that, I sure can't figure it out... :eek:

~Dan

why is the Hobbit dateing miss long legs?Isn't that more appropriately phrased in the reverse: "Why is miss long legs dating the hobbit?" Unless you think Dominic Monaghan is hot. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :D

Isn't that more appropriately phrased in the reverse: "Why is miss long legs dating the hobbit?" Unless you think Dominic Monaghan is hot. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :D Best Seinfeld catch phrase!!
He is to good for
Nope sorry could not finish that sentence! You are right the question should have been reverse. It just shows you that even a Hobbit can get some good pooh tang. I guess I haven't been keeping up with entertainment tonight because I was shocked when I saw that. Good for him, he gives shorties like me hope to get the leggy prize.

Personally I like Claire more.

Hmmm, is it just me or does there seem to be an abnormally high incidence of "bad luck" involving LOST cast members? Fires, robberies, traffic/cop issues etc. Maybe it's the numbers....


ron

Dharma is taking the initiative.

Good for him, he gives shorties like me hope to get the leggy prize.



Actually, she's kind of a "shortie" herself at 5'5" (by Hollywood standards anyway).

I like Kate, but she's not so insanely hot that she would be out of the hobbit's league. Plus, I'm thinking the hobbit is probably a little ahead of her in income/stature/etc considering his role in the LOTR films...so he's got that working for him too. That, and the longbottom leaf.

Actually, she's kind of a "shortie" herself at 5'5" (by Hollywood standards anyway).

I like Kate, but she's not so insanely hot that she would be out of the hobbit's league. Plus, I'm thinking the hobbit is probably a little ahead of her in income/stature/etc considering his role in the LOTR films...so he's got that working for him too. That, and the longbottom leaf.
I am with you, I think she isn't that hot, she is pretty and attractive and a smile that kills, But there are hotter people on the island.

I think he is way ahead of her in stature. But after Lost she will be able to make a good jump over him if she plays her cards right.

Did anybody hear about Daybreak canceling? Damm that show was actually getting really good. If you like a fast pace roll a coaster ride. Has anyone heard what ABC will be doing about the LOST previews? Iwas looking forward to the 5 min one that was suppose to be very good. But I can't watch an hr of george Lopez or according to Jim to see them.

In researching Kate's height on IMDB for that post above, I found this interesting set of Trivia on Evangeline Lily:

Trivia
Founded and ran a world development and human rights committee at her university. She has lived under a grass hut in the jungles of the Philippines with a missionary group, and has been a volunteer for children's projects since the age of 14.

Fluent in French and loves ice skating, canoeing, kayaking, snowboarding and rock climbing.

Refused to do a partial nude scene in an early episode of "Lost" (2004).

Voted one of the Breakout Stars of 2004 by Entertainment Weekly Magazine

Named #2 on the Maxim magazine Hot 100 of 2005 list.

Prior to her starring role on "Lost" (2004), she worked as an extra on film sets to help pay her University tuition. She can be seen in episodes of "Tru Calling" (2003), "Dead Like Me" (2003) and "Smallville" (2001), and in several films including White Chicks (2004), Stealing Sinatra (2003) and Freddy vs. Jason (2003).

Presented The Tragically Hip at Live 8 Canada.

Has two sisters - younger sister is named Andrea

Before starring on "Lost" (2004), she worked a variety of other jobs. She has worked as a flight attendant, waitress, and completed oil changes on big rigs while doing commercials and modeling to earn money for University.

Her father is a Home Economics teacher in Canada. Her mother worked as a cosmetician and ran a daycare center.

Attended the University of British Columbia where she attained a degree in international relations.

Kate, her character on "Lost" (2004), is frequently seen climbing trees. This is because the very athletic Lilly loves to climb trees herself.

First discovered by agent Jeff Palffy, formerly Ford Models, now with PMG Management in Vancouver, who was instrumental in her first break on Lost.

Ranked as #75 in FHM's "100 Sexiest Women in the World 2005" special supplement. (2005)

In 2003, she was cast in several commercials for a dating hot-line called "LiveLinks". The late-night ads ran for over two years on basic cable channels, even after she made it big on ABC's hit drama "Lost" (2004). During a guest spot on "Late Show with David Letterman" (1993), David Letterman embarrassed the actress by playing one of her commercials on the show.

Named #73 in FHM magazine's "100 Sexiest Women in the World 2006" supplement. (2006).


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Personal quotes
"I'm very picky when it comes to men. I come across a man who I'm really attracted to about once every five years"



I'm interested in that nude scene in the first season. I'm assuming it was a rear-shot, since that's considered okay on Network TV.

In researching Kate's height on IMDB for that post above, I found this interesting set of Trivia on Evangeline Lily:



I'm interested in that nude scene in the first season. I'm assuming it was a rear-shot, since that's considered okay on Network TV.
If I recall correctly, the scene was suppose to be when she went swimming with Sawyer and found her plane but she is too proud to get naked on film, Because film is forwever and you can never get rid of that moment. Natalie Portman use to have the same beliefs but I think that change in her role on the movie CLOSER

Note to self: Rent Closer. ;)

Natalie Portman use to have the same beliefs but I think that change in her role on the movie CLOSER

Was she nude in Closer? I thought it was just a lot of thong action and string bikini tops.

Was she nude in Closer? I thought it was just a lot of thong action and string bikini tops.

Don't even bother renting Closer for the "nude" scene. True, she does play a stripper but you don't see the naughty bits. There is a scene where she dances on a table in front of Clive Owen's character and all you see is her face/cut to her legs. Trust me, had she been nude, I would have remembered that. Sorry to burst bubbles.

I believe the sort of footage you are looking for was filmed, but never used in the released version of the film.

I didn't see it, sorry guys, Only going with what I heard. All I know is she had the same beliefs. That kind of S@#$% that she didn't get it on film. But I guess thanks to mylan we know she was nude but they didn't show all. BOOOOO!!

Don't even bother renting Closer for the "nude" scene. True, she does play a stripper but you don't see the naughty bits. There is a scene where she dances on a table in front of Clive Owen's character and all you see is her face/cut to her legs. Trust me, had she been nude, I would have remembered that. Sorry to burst bubbles.

That's what I recall too. I'm with you, I couldn't reconcile the fact that I might not have remembered a Natalie Portman nude scene...especially considering the context of that movie.

In researching Kate's height on IMDB for that post above, I found this interesting set of Trivia on Evangeline Lily:

Prior to her starring role on "Lost" (2004), she worked as an extra on film sets to help pay her University tuition. She can be seen in episodes of "Tru Calling" (2003), "Dead Like Me" (2003) and "Smallville" (2001), and in several films including White Chicks (2004), Stealing Sinatra (2003) and Freddy vs. Jason (2003).


Hmm, I wonder if any of the people making those movies ever looked at the dailies and thought, "wow, that extra is friggin' mind numblingly HOT!!!!"

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b315/Deltoid/21.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b315/Deltoid/21.jpg


thank you for making my day

Mine too.

I'm interested in that nude scene in the first season. I'm assuming it was a rear-shot, since that's considered okay on Network TV.
Any attractive nude female on me would be fine with me.... ;)

Oh wait, you weren't referring to me in particular....

It's still okay with me.

Did anyone hear when and if the previews are going to continue? I don't think they will show them on comedy that will do even less ratings wise then Daybreak.

Merry Christmas everybody!

Same to you Max, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!! I hope you all got what you wanted. Remember it is better to give but it sure is fun opening your own presents. Enjoy the day and watch the Yule log on InHD. The fire crackling is amazing on my 2.1 so I could only imagine what it sounds like on a 5.1 set.

By the way, to all that it matters to. MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!! I hope you all got what you wanted. Remember it is better to give but it sure is fun opening your own presents. Enjoy the day and watch the Yule log on InHD. The fire crackling is amazing on my 2.1 so I could only imagine what it sounds like on a 5.1 set.

Any attractive nude female on me would be fine with me.... ;)

Oh wait, you weren't referring to me in particular....

It's still okay with me.

Awesome! Well played. :D

previews for LOST during the Rose Bowl today state that it has been moved to 10pm eastern time. Wonder if it's because of the Criminal Minds Ratings Surge.

previews for LOST during the Rose Bowl today state that it has been moved to 10pm eastern time. Wonder if it's because of the Criminal Minds Ratings Surge.

It's because of American Idol.

I just searched several pages and couldn't find it ....

On what day does Lost start up again?

I just searched several pages and couldn't find it ....

On what day does Lost start up again?

2/7/2007

corrected.

2/7/2006

:eek: F*** we missed it! ;)

:eek: F*** we missed it! ;)

Doh! Corrected. Thx. :)

It's because of American Idol.

I'd imagine it's due to both...Let's see if Criminal Minds holds it's numbers against AI.

I'd imagine it's due to both...Let's see if Criminal Minds holds it's numbers against AI.

If AI kills CM in the ratings, would that be justifiable homicide? :p

It was mainly AI that made the change a good deal. They both cater to the same ratings group and LOST despite still being able to stay in the top 10 last year while AI was on. They were in the middle of the "sub-par" middle of the second season. The network would have a hard time keeping their audience this time around with a third player (CM)in the game now. The 10pm spot in might be very good for them, it might lead to bigger ratings.
I feel for any high rated show that goes up against that monster(AI). I don't understand how it remains so popular and increases it's viewership yearly. Even kids get bored of their new toys after 1 year. It just draws from every ratings category. Any show that has come up against it has been beaten badly. We will see what happens feb 7.

If AI kills CM in the ratings, would that be justifiable homicide? :p

Maybe. The other way around, definitely.

Anyone else see this?

http://lse.co.uk/ShowbizNews.asp?Code=YJ26439J&headline=evangeline_lillys_lost_quit_threat

Anyone else see this?

http://lse.co.uk/ShowbizNews.asp?Code=YJ26439J&headline=evangeline_lillys_lost_quit_threat

ridiculous if thats true...what is she naive? ugh, she shouldn't have gotten into acting in Hollywood if she wanted to stay "anonymous"

But her being an actor doesn't allow people to hound her all the time. But I think we agree to a point, she needs to have a pretty thick skin if she is going to be famous.

ridiculous if thats true...what is she naive? ugh, she shouldn't have gotten into acting in Hollywood if she wanted to stay "anonymous"

Let's see....she was virtually unknown...describes herself as a "private" person....landed a job on a hit TV series...but doesn't like the fan attention....perhaps career counseling is in order? Given how fickle fans can be, she can go back to being unknown very quickly if that is her desire.

Matthew Fox on "Ellen" tomorrow (Thursday)

wwwwaaaaa wwwaaaaa wwwwaaaaaaa

I'm rich and famous in the career I've choosen. I'm on millions of tv's every week and just realized the result would be lots of attention in public.

wwwwaaaaaaa

kill her off and be done with her. There's still scores of people from the plane that we haven't seen yet- it's easy enough to pick up a new peice of eye candy.

Maybe make Mrs. Clause parade around in a bikini.

I really hate whiney actors.

I find it kind of sad that a quote that is most likely half joking and out of context is twisted into some sensational story by a tabloid and people get all up in arms about it.

Yeah, I'm highly skeptical of these "blurb" type of articles too. It's too easy for them to pull a quote out of context and run it as an "article" to rile people up.

I find it kind of sad that a quote that is most likely half joking and out of context is twisted into some sensational story by a tabloid and people get all up in arms about it.Agreed. Especally those jealous actor-hating people that feel the need to "whine" about it ;). Even if it were true and not taken out of context, I wouldn't fault her for complaining. These days the stalkerazzi "press" is totally out of control. It's one thing to report on celebs in a responsible manner, it's another to hound them to no end and make their lives miserable for a fat pay check. Check out the list of "articles" at the bottom of the Lilly piece:


Thu, 4th Jan 2007Emilie loses marriage
Thu, 4th Jan 2007Sienna over oldies
Thu, 4th Jan 2007Maguire's "indescribable" joy
Thu, 4th Jan 2007Hudson's Rice date
Thu, 4th Jan 2007Seagal's infinite Earth
Thu, 4th Jan 2007Halle Berry pregnant?
Thu, 4th Jan 2007Mel B's TV tell-all
Thu, 4th Jan 2007Justin and Cameron split
Thu, 4th Jan 2007O.C over
Thu, 4th Jan 2007Robbie Williams to present Take That BRIT
Thu, 4th Jan 2007Terri Irwin gets Steve's final film
Thu, 4th Jan 2007Denzel Washington's Roberts refusal
Thu, 4th Jan 2007Paris Hilton's monkey love
Thu, 4th Jan 2007Kevin Federline's Lohan snub
Thu, 4th Jan 2007George Michael's fire misery
Thu, 4th Jan 2007Samuel L. Jackson's Brown role
Thu, 4th Jan 2007Britney Spears' orgasm fright
Thu, 4th Jan 2007Noel Gallagher's colossal promise
Thu, 4th Jan 2007Teri Hatcher's painless planets
Thu, 4th Jan 2007Ben Affleck's acting torture


Just another sensationalistic (online) gossip rag :rolleyes:


ron

Yeah, I'm highly skeptical of these "blurb" type of articles too. It's too easy for them to pull a quote out of context and run it as an "article" to rile people up.

What I find funny is that at no point in the article is Kate quoted as wanting to 'quit', it's just the rag putting words in her mouth.

I can't blame her for being put out with all the stalkerazzi...especially on Hawaii where there really is no escape.

A friend of mine is pals with a top Asian celebrity and the stories I hear about what that person has to deal with, well... some celebs have my sympathy.

Thu, 4th Jan 2007Ben Affleck's acting torture
Ha! Are they referring to the torture we go through when he's acting? Hardly news :P

I agree with you guys. Nobody deserves to be hounded like that, with the exception of the people who try to use it to their advantage.

oh please- i"m supposed to feel bad for people that make a fortune by playing a child's game. That's what acting is- no? Dress up and pretend. No responsibility. It's not like they are cops or teachers or firemen or soldiers or school bus drivers or something that is hard and has responsibilities.

As a rule they generally like to be the center of attention or like the spotlight or whatever you call it- isn't that why they are actors? And then they complain they get too much attention? It's like a millionaire baseball player complaining that it's a tough life playing baseball.Or a rock star complaining that it's soo loud on stage.

I'll take 5 million for working 5 years and being under the microscope every single day except when i retreat to my private island vacations 2 months a year, and then I'll let my star crash back to earth and never work a day again.

It's one thing for people that aren't asking for it- maybe a lottery winner or something getting too much attention, but the whole point of these people's lives/ careers is to get attention and be seen by millions of people.

They choose their careers- no one forces it on them. It's pretty clear to anyone contemplating a career in acting now a days that if you are very successfull that the paparazzi jerks will harrass you. That's the downside of being a millionaire.

If you want to be an actor and not be stalked go do shakespeare in the park. Or refuse leading rolls. Or do community theater. etc, etc, etc.

You guys do have a point that they probably made it all up- but I am sick of whiney actors complaining about the papparazzi.

(gotta do soemthing to pass the time- LOL)

A friend of mine is pals with a top Asian celebrity and the stories I hear about what that person has to deal with, well... some celebs have my sympathy.

Does this have something to do with those nude photos of Gillian Chung that were published in an Asian tabloid after a stalkerazzi planted a hidden camera in her dressing room?

oh please- i"m supposed to feel bad for people that make a fortune by playing a child's game. That's what acting is- no? Dress up and pretend. No responsibility. It's not like they are cops or teachers or firemen or soldiers or school bus drivers or something that is hard and has responsibilities.

What do you do for a living that's so important to the human race?

Have you ever tried acting? Have you ever memorized reams of dialogue and attempted to deliver a realistic and emotional performance that audiences will find believable? Enough so that a major multi-national corporation would stake millions (sometimes hundreds of millions) of dollars on your doing a good job of it? I'm curious how much you actually know about that "child's game". Please do tell.

oh please- i"m supposed to feel bad for people that make a fortune by playing a child's game. That's what acting is- no? Dress up and pretend. No responsibility. It's not like they are cops or teachers or firemen or soldiers or school bus drivers or something that is hard and has responsibilities.

(gotta do soemthing to pass the time- LOL)


Regardless of what someone does for a living, they have a right to a modicum of privacy. That includes my private residence, my spouse, and my children. Look at what happened to Princess Di...its' sick.

If I go out in public to a movie premiere, a photoshoot, any personal appearance having to do with work, then by all means take your pictures, that's why I'm there.

But to have someone peeking over my fence, harassing my loved ones, following me everywhere and receiving not one moment of privacy/peace? What good is 5 million if you can't enjoy it withouth going into the Witness Protection Program? lol

hey remember that show called Lost? What ever happened to it....

What do you do for a living that's so important to the human race?

Have you ever tried acting? Have you ever memorized reams of dialogue and attempted to deliver a realistic and emotional performance that audiences will find believable? Enough so that a major multi-national corporation would stake millions (sometimes hundreds of millions) of dollars on your doing a good job of it? I'm curious how much you actually know about that "child's game". Please do tell.


Doesn't really matter what I do.

For all it matters I'm a wort on the ass of society. (although I'm not, I'd like to think I add some value- but not really the point to argue that)

Point is it's a job i choose and i dont whine about it.

And although i do well for myself and my family, I can assure you I'm not making an income in the top tenth of one percent like someone who is blessed to be a popular actor is making.

Do you really think someone who memorizes lines is more important to society then the bus driver that you trust to get your kids to and from school safely everyday? More important then the fireman who would be called to safe your life if good forbid your house burned down? Again not that that's relevent really.

I dont disagree that they deserve what they make actually. I think all the enertainers (actors, atheletes, etc) all deserve what they make. If we're willing to pay $100 for a sporting even t ticket or $12 for a movie ticket then why shouldn't that get passed along? They frequently make their backers millions as you point out. So I have no beef with their pay- just when they whine about their jobs- that's all.

I guy who works some blue collar job for a buck over minimum wage struggling to feed his fmaily and stuck in a crappy job, deserves to whine about the lot that life has dealt them. Someone with millions in assets should suck it up or go get another job - simple as that.

Regardless of what someone does for a living, they have a right to a modicum of privacy. That includes my private residence, my spouse, and my children. Look at what happened to Princess Di...its' sick.

If I go out in public to a movie premiere, a photoshoot, any personal appearance having to do with work, then by all means take your pictures, that's why I'm there.

But to have someone peeking over my fence, harassing my loved ones, following me everywhere and receiving not one moment of privacy/peace? What good is 5 million if you can't enjoy it withouth going into the Witness Protection Program? lol


I do agree with most of that. It's nasty when their privacy is ruined and many of these photographers are pond scum. But just as many of these famous people get bent at people on the street asking for an autograph or a shake their hand.

Also unfortunatley it's a known reality and they have the resources to fix it. Buy 5 bodyguards. Move to a gated community. Vacation on private islands.

Princes Di and what they are doign to the prince's girlfriend is foul- for the most part those people didn't choose the situation- but an actor in this day and age knows what's going on (even though it IS wrong)

I just dont enjoy it when people knowingly choose their lives and then complain about the downside. Nothign is perfect.

I might not want the 5 million in exchange for living like a prisoner in my own walled compound, but it's a choice one way or the other.

hey remember that show called Lost? What ever happened to it....

Actually, it's been gone so long, I can't remember...

Oh yes, I remember now--the near universal hatred of the direction the show is going in...

Carry on.

hey remember that show called Lost? What ever happened to it....
It got cancelled....crap on ABC :mad:.
Let me add this :rolleyes: for sarcasm....

It got cancelled....crap on ABC :mad:.

lol no that was DAYBREAK! ABC screwed us on that one hard...

hey remember that show called Lost? What ever happened to it....


They changed its name to Jack, Freckles and Sawyer.

screwed...hard...
Please, don't use those two words in the same sentence on a page where Kate is being discussed. ;)

I can't even believe there's chatter going on in this thread. It's been so long I can't remember what happened in the last episode.

Good point. Is ABC going to do the standard "recap" episode before the season starts up?

My daughters said their writing professor asked how many of the students (out of about 35) watched her favorite show Lost. Only my 2 daughters and one guy raised their hands.

Has it become uncool to admit to being a viewer after the second season? :confused:

They have only shown what, about 6 or 8 Episodes, we do not need a recap of the "Jack, Freckles and Sawyer power hour" We need some GOOD episodes that will bring back the multitude of viewers who are gone.

:)

I have my own "recap" stored in glorious HD on a HDD. :cool: I plan on having my own recap marathon the week before the regular season resumes. Anyone here is welcome to join me. :p

I just thought about this the other day while reprogramming my E* DVR for all the moved shows.

Does everyone realize how awesome Lost's move to 10pm really is? NO MORE EARLY DVR CUTOFFS OF THE ENDING!!! I can't tell you how many times my DVR would switch to the next recording in my line-up and cut out the last few minutes or the previews of the next episode. :mad: ABC won't be dragging it a couple minutes over anymore since the sole purpose of doing that was so people would catch the "last few moments of a really great show and maybe gain interest" thinking they were catching the beginning of what they really wanted to watch. The local news doesn't really need ratings. I can't imagine they'd cut into the news.

It's funny how the little things excite you, but I'm pumped. :D

Yeah, but the bad thing is, the local networks will probably kick it out of HD before it's over, like they do half the time on shows that are right before the news.

I have my own "recap" stored in glorious HD on a HDD. :cool: I plan on having my own recap marathon the week before the regular season resumes. Anyone here is welcome to join me. :p
I had the last episode saved on my DVR, but it was erased while I was on vacation down in Florida over the holidays. :mad: I had been saving all of this season's Smallville since I hadn't caught up with last season yet. The DVR of course kept recording while I was outta town and ran outta room and I didn't have Lost protected. :mad: It was one of the first to get dumped. And to add insult to injury, the first 4 episodes of this season's Smallville were erased too. :mad: I ended up erasing them all; I'll catch up with DVDs. My DVR is now a lot thinner. :D

I hope they show the midseason finale again or at least a recap or I'll have to watch it online.

Does everyone realize how awesome Lost's move to 10pm really is? NO MORE EARLY DVR CUTOFFS OF THE ENDING!!!
But now ABC won't have shows to put on after Lost so they'll get canceled.

Maybe the news will get cancelled.

Maybe the news will get cancelled.
LOL I was thinkin' the same thing. Our local ABC news affiliate sucks and I wouldn't miss it if it were cancelled. :D

My daughters said their writing professor asked how many of the students (out of about 35) watched her favorite show Lost. Only my 2 daughters and one guy raised their hands.Should have instead asked "how many of you watch The OC?"

I can't even believe there's chatter going on in this thread. It's been so long I can't remember what happened in the last episode.Jack was prepping to do open-back surgery on Benry. I think.

Letsee, the Scotish guy was running around naked predicting the future, all the black people on the island either escaped, died, or have gone AWOL (where are you Rose?), Hurley said "dude" a few times, the Red Sox won the World Series, and Jack came up with another plan that's even stupider than the one that got them all captured.

Jack was prepping to do open-back surgery on Benry. I think.
He'll make a deal first - right after I do the surgery you guys promise to let me and my friends go. mmmK?

Should have instead asked "how many of you watch The OC?"

*watched lol that got cancelled too


stupid networks...moving to cheaper reality based television...ugh...I cant' believe What About Brian has made it this far...

I didn't know the OC got cancelled. Man, the networks don't stick to any show very long anymore. I hope 2 1/2 men and How I Met Your Mother don't get cancelled. They are my two favorite sitcoms on right now.

"lol" was cancelled too!? Damn! :p

2 1/2 Men is brilliant!

I had the last episode saved on my DVR, but it was erased while I was on vacation down in Florida over the holidays. :mad: I had been saving all of this season's Smallville since I hadn't caught up with last season yet.

I'm happy to fill you in.

Lex had one of his "doctors" put Lana on antiwhiner meds, so she's now that much hotter (and we don't have to wear out the FF button anymore).


Chloe realized she was wasting her computer hacking skills and now works full time designing effects to finally get Clark flying before the show ends.

Martha is scheming to marry the president, then kill him so she can be the first woman president (since in their world, if your spouse holds a public office and dies, you get to take it). :p

Television Critics Winter Tour Notebook
“Lost” Schedule

The nation’s TV critics are meeting in Pasadena CA for their Winter television tour. Of possible interest to this thread is that a little later this morning most of the stars of “Lost” will attend the day’s first panel discussion with the critics.

There will be a number of stores on that session filed throughout the day in the “Hot Off The Press” sticky, so wander over a bit later and hear what they had to say as the show gets ready for its relaunch. Just go to the thread, then link to the last page of the thread and see what the “Lost” folks have to say.

A milestone has occurred on the AVS Programming Forum. Fred's OFTP thread has quietly surpassed the venerable LOST thread for the most replies in this forum's history, I believe. Not quite there yet with total views (this thread is still the first, and only, member of the "million hit" club), but that milestone, too, is now within the sights of Fredfa (and his trusty sidekick, Dad1153). Good job, boys. (Cross-posted.) :)

A milestone has occurred on the AVS Programming Forum. Fred's OFTP thread has quietly surpassed the venerable LOST thread for the most replies in this forum's history, I believe. Not quite there yet with total views (this thread is still the first, and only, member of the "million hit" club), but that milestone, too, is now within the sights of Fredfa (and his trusty sidekick, Dad1153). Good job, boys. (Cross-posted.) :)

just you wait...when Lost comes out of hiding, this thread will be alive and kicking

I'm looking forward to the next segments of Lost & BSG... until then I believe Rome starts up again on HBO tonight.

"One-million hits and countin'....".

Television Critics Winter Tour Notebook
Facing a “Lost” Ending
By Ellen Gray Philadelphia Daily News in her “Ellen Gray In Hollywood” blog January 14, 2007

Producers of ABC's "Lost" say they're in talks with ABC to determine a fixed end point for the show, which they've always insisted was meant to have a beginning, a middle and, yes, an end.

Apparently, they're going on the "Harry Potter" model, noting that it's worked so far for J.K. Rowling.

No, they won't say yet if the curtain will drop on Season 4, or 5, or even 7 -- because it would be "disrespectful" to the discussions, said exec producer Carlton Cuse -- but reading between the lines, anything more than seven seasons might feel like a stretch.

Referring to "The X-Files," which ran nine seasons, Cuse said, "That show was a bit of a cautionary tale for us. It was a great show that probably ran two seasons too long."

"The most honest answer we can give [is that they'd like it to continue] as long as it's good," said co-creator Damon Lindelof.

But whatever they decide, they insisted they'll announce it in plenty of time, Cuse saying he thinks that will alleviate viewer anxiety that they may not know where they're going, and Lindelof noting that if they wait too long, no one will believe that they meant to choose that time all along.

http://blogs.phillynews.com/dailynews/ellengray/

Producers of ABC's "Lost" say they're in talks with ABC to determine a fixed end point for the show, which they've always insisted was meant to have a beginning, a middle and, yes, an end.They pretty much said that from the beginning (and I believe it), but they seem to guessing as much as we are about which direction to take to get to the end.

Producers of ABC's "Lost" say they're in talks with ABC to determine a fixed end point for the show, which they've always insisted was meant to have a beginning, a middle and, yes, an end.

No, they won't say yet if the curtain will drop on Season 4, or 5, or even 7 -- because it would be "disrespectful" to the discussions, said exec producer Carlton Cuse -- but reading between the lines, anything more than seven seasons might feel like a stretch.You gotta be kidding... I'll be surprised if Lost is back for a 4th season.

7 seasons seems like a stretch...I can't seem them making it past 5

I'm a big fan of Lost, but once ABC begins playing the time-slot game in an effort to avoid AI... to me it seems like the handwriting is on the wall.

Yeah I agree optivity. I am gonna be pissed when they cancel it without finishing the story line.

Good; that'll be their just desserts for cancelling Daybreak. There will be a season 5, however.

I'm still scratching my head over Sci Fi's decision to move BSG to Sunday's @ 10 PM. :confused:

I'm still scratching my head over Sci Fi's decision to move BSG to Sunday's @ 10 PM. :confused:

the ratings for season 3 were abysmal. I am shocked scifi even renewed it -- it doesn't look like a cheap show to produce.

in that article about determining an end, lindelof says "as long as it's good"...i have to assume that "good" here means ratings and not creative direction. Again, this is a very expensive show to produce -- let's hope they let it finish at the right time and not drag it out.

4 seasons sounds good; anything more is overkill.

the ratings for season 3 were abysmal. I am shocked scifi even renewed it -- it doesn't look like a cheap show to produce.

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It has rave critical reviews (a bit of a first for Sci Fi), and does very well on DVD. I'm sure they hope to make it to syndication, where all their profits are usually returned. But they need at least 4 seasons of eps to do that in a successful way (not counting the original Trek of course lol).

I've no doubt we'll see at least one more season after this.

BSG got the same ratings SG-1 was getting when it got cancelled, and they're moving BSG to Sunday nights opposite much tougher competition. I love BSG but I would say it's toast after this season.

You gotta be kidding... I'll be surprised if Lost is back for a 4th season.

You've got to be kidding. :rolleyes: I'd happily take that bet, if you want to lose some money. LOST is still a top 10 show and generates more income for ABC than any other show in their lineup. There will unquestioningly be a fourth season, and probably a fifth unless it goes completely off the rails, a la 'Twin Peaks'. After that, who knows?

It has rave critical reviews (a bit of a first for Sci Fi), and does very well on DVD. I'm sure they hope to make it to syndication, where all their profits are usually returned. But they need at least 4 seasons of eps to do that in a successful way (not counting the original Trek of course lol).

I've no doubt we'll see at least one more season after this.

That's my feeling too - one more kick-a$$ season for 'BSG' so they can wrap things up. I absolutely don't understand the ratings numbers; something's just fishy there. With all the critical praise and buzz this show gets, there have to be more people watching it than the paltry few reported by Nielsen. At least among AVS'ers ('BSG' is our number-one rated cable show). ;)

I don't watch BSG, but I did see some comments about the show bringing the iraq war into the fold?? Maybe the political commentary turned some away.

I tried watching the miniseries, didn't make it past the first hour....the show takes itself WAY too seriously.

You've got to be kidding. :rolleyes: I'd happily take that bet, if you want to lose some money. LOST is still a top 10 show and generates more income for ABC than any other show in their lineup. There will unquestioningly be a fourth season, and probably a fifth unless it goes completely off the rails, a la 'Twin Peaks'. After that, who knows?

I was more pessimistic before, but I still think 'Lost' is on pretty thin ice. It's *very* expensive and routinely gets trounced by AI. The ratings have slid and continue to erode (although at a slower pace recently). If the move to 10PM hurts them by 2-3 million viewers, I would say one of two things would happen: Cancelled or it's budget would be cut severely--no more Hawaii and hello soundstage (which would be the end of it).

TPTB are talking about ending Lost at 100 episodes (45 more from now) which would be a smart move, maybe even bring some viewers back once they know it the end is in sight, all the answers are coming, etc.

I don't watch BSG, but I did see some comments about the show bringing the iraq war into the fold?? Maybe the political commentary turned some away.

I tried watching the miniseries, didn't make it past the first hour....the show takes itself WAY too seriously.

The show (BSG) has always been topical; that's what makes it special and unique. This season's storyline's did what good science fiction has always done: allows us to look at ourselves and our society through allegory. It's been brilliant (it's a thinking person's show, for sure). If some viewers left because of it, then that's a sad reflection on them, not the show.

Too bad you bailed early. You've missed out on some stellar television. But, not to worry; DVD's are readily available. ;)

Anyone for re-naming this thread "LOST/BSG"? Sheesh!

I believe the decision criteria for most series is fairly simple. If it makes good $, it will continue. While there are some exceptions, they are just that, exceptions.

Also winning the time slot and rating race may not be enough if $ is still an issue.

Ed

With all the critical praise and buzz this show gets, there have to be more people watching it than the paltry few reported by Nielsen. At least among AVS'ers ('BSG' is our number-one rated cable show). ;)I for one, am not totally trusting of all that Nielson 'jazz'; who's to say viewers can't be paid-off. I still don't know anyone who knows anyone who's in that exclusive club.

Perhaps, rezzy, that is because part of the Nielsen contract requires secrecy. If that is violated, the person loses his/her Nielsen box and/or the ratings get thrown out.

I have known people who have had a Nielsen box -- though they admitted it only when they had finished their tour. They seem to take the vow of secrecy pretty seriously. I have also known others who were asked to be Nielsen viewers, but who are in the TV business, and refused the offer.

It is always easy to blame others for not liking shows we like. There are some areas that prefer certain shows, of course, but the national and local metered numbers for almost all shows are pretty consistent wek-to-week.

(By the way, if you have any specific instance of a Nielsen viewer "being paid off" please let Nielsen know. Neither Nielsen, nor the advertisers whi live by the ratings numbers would tolerate such stuff. Is it possible a sole Nielsen house has been compromised at some time? Of course. But enough of any sample to materially change things? That would be very, very doubtful and in such a case the aberration in the numbers would be apparent and would be immediately investigated.)

um BSG is on Wednesday Nights now....? Not Sunday...

We also had reports a few years ago that even a 6 or 7 year old (at the time) Sony 32XBR (SDTV) was too advanced for them to hook up the Nielsen box - forget about any HD or ED TVs. So the results will definitely skew toward older, less technologically advanced viewers (probably also disproportionately towards those for whom television isn't as important as it is for most).

um BSG is on Wednesday Nights now....? Not Sunday...

hmm okay...so when did they move it? Didn't they announce it was coming on Wednesday at the end of Season 3.0? weird...

I'm a big fan of Lost, but once ABC begins playing the time-slot game in an effort to avoid AI... to me it seems like the handwriting is on the wall.
Not true, ABC is protecting all of their high rated shows. They are realist. AI is too big to knock down. A monster that you get out of its way not stay in the path. 30 mil viewers per episode is just not acheived anymore by a weekly series, those days have been over since CSI 2nd or 3rd season. That is how amazing it is because AI does it twice. DWTS was just moved also. This is the first time in a long long time that you have seen a network concede hrs of programming to another network(last time probably when NBC was still MSTV on thursday 1997-98 Seinfeld's final Season). ABC expects both shows to survive so the change was needed.

We also had reports a few years ago that even a 6 or 7 year old (at the time) Sony 32XBR (SDTV) was too advanced for them to hook up the Nielsen box - forget about any HD or ED TVs. So the results will definitely skew toward older, less technologically advanced viewers (probably also disproportionately towards those for whom television isn't as important as it is for most).I asked if they were metering HD-viewers (in the Daybreak thread, I think) and got no response. I wonder how much of an impact it would make if everyone could be included. Or do only electoral votes count? :p

I have known people who have had a Nielsen box -- though they admitted it only when they had finished their tour. They seem to take the vow of secrecy pretty seriously. I have also known others who were asked to be Nielsen viewers, but who are in the TV business, and refused the offer.Just what is the pay-off for taking the tour? Another tour-of-duty? Free cable? Or the simple satisfaction of knowing that your influence shapes the face of the TV industry? :rolleyes:

That's my feeling too - one more kick-a$$ season for 'BSG' so they can wrap things up. I absolutely don't understand the ratings numbers; something's just fishy there. With all the critical praise and buzz this show gets, there have to be more people watching it than the paltry few reported by Nielsen. At least among AVS'ers ('BSG' is our number-one rated cable show). ;)
The problem with shows like BSG is it is shown on too many nights. It has 2 plays the original day. Then again maybe twice during the week so people stoped watching on Friday night which has been very competitive. Just try to view it during the week if they can. Or Tivo it t untill you can watch it which doesn't get added to the ratings. CBS & NBC are fighting weekly for the Number 1 spot which both networks are averaging just over 10 mill people. Then you have USA with another 4-6 mil when they show new episodes of their friday lineup. Right there you have 26 mil people on the second lowest ratings night of the week. BSG first run is getting killed out there but the other showings might be fairing better but it is only the first one that really matters. The advertisements are paid for the first new episode with a guarantied rating point of 2. or 3.,(usually what ever it averaged last season minus a percentage) if it doesn't achieve that the network has to give free payback ad time. A big loss for a station like this that has trouble keeping expensive shows(see Farscape, SG-Atlantis) The 2nd and 3rd episodes are the same way but they are already low rated, Sci-fi would probably not do a rating guaranty for reruns.

Plus if you look at it It doesn't have the lead-ins it use to have. If it is following a rerun show. How would they expect it to get any type of ratings? The Sunday move might be good because it is going to be following a SciFi exclusive series The Dresden Files. To me it looks good and I will be watching, Since my DVR is booked on Sunday and it isn't in HD I might go to the living room to watch it first on Sunday night.

hmm okay...so when did they move it? Didn't they announce it was coming on Wednesday at the end of Season 3.0? weird...
Stating next week BSG premieres on Sunday and is rerun on wednesday. It is premiered with the new Sci-fi show stated above

Perhaps, rezzy, that is because part of the Nielsen contract requires secrecy. If that is violated, the person loses his/her Nielsen box and/or the ratings get thrown out.

I have known people who have had a Nielsen box -- though they admitted it only when they had finished their tour. They seem to take the vow of secrecy pretty seriously. I have also known others who were asked to be Nielsen viewers, but who are in the TV business, and refused the offer.

Fredfa, so true the secrecy is the key, the Nielsen contract is basically the same one reality shows use to protect the winners from being exposed before the air date. It isn't about taking it seriously it is about the fines involved if you expose yourself as a family. Survivor has a Million dollar fine if you talk about the show before it airs. These people are given the same type of contract. Any kind of fine would be incentive enough not to expose that you are one of the families. Despite the criticism Nielson has worked very well over the years. People need to remember the books the networks get are much bigger then the three charts the general public can gain access to. With this they decide which goes and stays and every year you will have bubble shows just like College baskeball's March maddness. There are renew gauranties like LOST, CSI, Grey's, & Heroes and Bubble shows like L&O CI, Studio 60, Mother, & ABC's Comedies.
Plus when you come to threads like this you really aren't talking to a good sample of viewers. You are only taking to a sample of people who DO watch the show in question. But if you go down the line of your friends who really watches what you watch. 5 immediate friends for me 1 myself is the only one that watches Lost now and one jump off mid S2. What des that mean? Nothing because I am not a Nielsen family. But maybe I am but I can't say I am!!

A buddy of mine recently got the offer to be a Neilsen's person. The money was small - may $50 - 100 per quarter. He did it because they layer on a warranty on any tv they hook there box too for even a single day. The warranty is 3 or 5 years. He let them put it on his brand new Panny plasma. Couple months later he moved to Texas. Neilsen didn't continue the arrangement after the move, but he got the warranty he wanted. I think he also wanted to date the lady who went door-to-door who arranged for the subscription but nothing came of that.

Totally off subject, but....

I've been rewatching Season Two and just watched "Dave". If Jack's father, and Kate's horse, and Hurley's bird, and Mr. Eko's brother, and Shannon's Walt were all the smoke monster, was Hurley's Dave the smoke monster as well ???

What else ???

Totally off subject, but....

I've been rewatching Season Two and just watched "Dave". If Jack's father, and Kate's horse, and Hurley's bird, and Mr. Eko's brother, and Shannon's Walt were all the smoke monster, was Hurley's Dave the smoke monster as well ???

What else ???

Yes, Dave was the "smoke monster". What it's looking like is that the monster, or nanobot cloud, or security system, or whatever-it-is can somehow read a person's mind and create a physical facsimile of someone or something that is relatively important in that person's life. All part of getting to the truth of whether they're "good" or not. We've likely not seen the end of these apparitions.

Hurley's bird may be something else entirely, as it wouldn't fit the profile defined above.

I think he also wanted to date the lady who went door-to-door who arranged for the subscription but nothing came of that.Well.....that wasn't the kind of pay-off I had in mind......

Yes, Dave was the "smoke monster". What it's looking like is that the monster, or nanobot cloud, or security system, or whatever-it-is can somehow read a person's mind and create a physical facsimile of someone or something that is relatively important in that person's life. All part of getting to the truth of whether they're "good" or not. We've likely not seen the end of these apparitions.

Hurley's bird may be something else entirely, as it wouldn't fit the profile defined above.

Now, hold on. There has been nothing definitive that any of these apparitions are, or are related to, the smoke monster. We've seen the smoke monster, and it can apparently read a person's thoughts. So it fits that Smokey might be related to the apparitions, but nothing has been verified with that. Until someone who knows or has control of Smokey says so, or until we actually see smokey transform into an apparition, it's all conjecture right now.

Yes, Dave was the "smoke monster". What it's looking like is that the monster, or nanobot cloud, or security system, or whatever-it-is can somehow read a person's mind and create a physical facsimile of someone or something that is relatively important in that person's life. All part of getting to the truth of whether they're "good" or not. We've likely not seen the end of these apparitions.

Hurley's bird may be something else entirely, as it wouldn't fit the profile defined above.

Thanks, I don't know why I didn't "get it" first outting. :o :o :o

You've got to be kidding. :rolleyes: I'd happily take that bet, if you want to lose some money. LOST is still a top 10 show and generates more income for ABC than any other show in their lineup. There will unquestioningly be a fourth season, and probably a fifth unless it goes completely off the rails, a la 'Twin Peaks'. After that, who knows?I'm not a betting man... however, I will enjoy watching Lost for as long as it lasts. :) That's my feeling too - one more kick-a$$ season for 'BSG' so they can wrap things up. I absolutely don't understand the ratings numbers; something's just fishy there. With all the critical praise and buzz this show gets, there have to be more people watching it than the paltry few reported by Nielsen. At least among AVS'ers ('BSG' is our number-one rated cable show). And the same goes for BSG. ;)

so say we all...

While y'all are discussing BSG, nobody has mentioned this:

http://www.tvweek.com/news.cms?newsId=11372

January 14, 2007
'Lost' Planning End Date
By James Hibberd
In a highly unusual move for a broadcast series, ABC and the producers of "Lost" are in discussions to determine an end date for the show.

Story continues below...


The date will set a limit to the number of "Lost" seasons to come and will be announced to fans. The show's producers, speaking at ABC's Television Critics Association press tour session, said having a conclusion date will bolster fan confidence in the series' narrative. A timeline for making the decision was not announced.

"It's time for us now to find an endpoint for the show," said executive producer Carlton Cuse. "JK Rowling announced there were seven books in the Harry Potter series and it gives fans [a framework for understanding the arc of the show]. 'The X-Files' was a cautionary tale for us. It was a great show that ran two seasons too long. 'Lost' has a short-half life."

"None of us want to be doing the stalling show," added executive producer Damon Lindelof. "We don't want them to be building sandcastles next week."

Though the series ratings have dipped this fall, the show remains one of ABC's top-rated programs. During the first season, Mr. Lindelof said the show could run nine seasons if necessary, noting the island has plenty of mysteries. Recently, fans and critics have grown frustrated, however, with the show's continually expanding mythology that keeps piling on new mysteries and characters.

After the panel, Mr. Lindelof suggested the series might cap at 100 episodes, which would only result in two more seasons. But ABC Entertainment President Steve McPherson sought to downplay the producers' statements, noting that "we've had those discussions for the past two years."

Earlier while on stage, Mr. McPherson said he agreed with critic complaints that the first six episodes this season pulled the story too far from the group dynamics that made the show popular.

"[The writers] made a clear choice that first installment would be about Jack, Kate, Sawyer and The Others," he said. "For me, the show I really invest in is having everybody together. I thought it was a riveting six episodes, but I like it when they're all together and they're heading toward that again after the break."

Though Mr. McPherson stood by his decision to schedule a four-month break in the "Lost" schedule this season, he reiterated his plan (first reported last month in TelevisionWeek) to try and run next season's episodes without a break or repeats, launching either in the fall or spring.

While at TCA, Mr. McPherson also said that freshman dramas "The Nine" and "Six Degrees," which were pulled from the schedule earlier this season, will likely return to finish their runs before May. But "Day Break" will only be available ABC.com.

Two other dramas on ABC's slate-"The Traveler" and "Notes From the Underbelly"-will premiere by the end of the season.

While y'all are discussing BSG, nobody has mentioned this:

http://www.tvweek.com/news.cms?newsId=11372

fredfa posted an artcle about the Lost end date yesterday. I think that's what started some of the BSG discussion.

fredfa posted an artcle about the Lost end date yesterday. I think that's what started some of the BSG discussion.

Guess I missed it myself. There's so many non-LOST posts I've been skimming through them. Anyway, looks like a little more info.

Perhaps, rezzy, that is because part of the Nielsen contract requires secrecy. If that is violated, the person loses his/her Nielsen box and/or the ratings get thrown out.

I have known people who have had a Nielsen box -- though they admitted it only when they had finished their tour. They seem to take the vow of secrecy pretty seriously. I have also known others who were asked to be Nielsen viewers, but who are in the TV business, and refused the offer.

It is always easy to blame others for not liking shows we like. There are some areas that prefer certain shows, of course, but the national and local metered numbers for almost all shows are pretty consistent wek-to-week.

(By the way, if you have any specific instance of a Nielsen viewer "being paid off" please let Nielsen know. Neither Nielsen, nor the advertisers whi live by the ratings numbers would tolerate such stuff. Is it possible a sole Nielsen house has been compromised at some time? Of course. But enough of any sample to materially change things? That would be very, very doubtful and in such a case the aberration in the numbers would be apparent and would be immediately investigated.)


my inlaws are a nielsen house.

They wont admit to it (all secret squirrel and the like- LOL). But Neilsen has prehistoric techniquies so there was box with blinking likr 6-8 buttons on it. One button was marked for each person in the household. When my fther in law changed the channel he took inventory of who is in the room and adjusts the box accordingly. So either he needs a tinfoil beanie or neilsen is measuring that household.

Is it possible a sole Nielsen house has been compromised at some time? Of course. But enough of any sample to materially change things? That would be very, very doubtful and in such a case the aberration in the numbers would be apparent and would be immediately investigated.)You want an aberration? The American Idol auditions stopped being funny three years ago. Sorry, I forgot; this is Short-Attention-Span TV we're talking about.....billions must be watchin'.

Now if I could tap into the Nielsen boxes all over the country, I could inact my plan "to take over the world!" *narf* Or at least block them from receiving FOX.

Yes, Dave was the "smoke monster". What it's looking like is that the monster, or nanobot cloud, or security system, or whatever-it-is can somehow read a person's mind and create a physical facsimile of someone or something that is relatively important in that person's life. All part of getting to the truth of whether they're "good" or not. We've likely not seen the end of these apparitions.

Hurley's bird may be something else entirely, as it wouldn't fit the profile defined above.
It is assumed the others (kate, jacks, & Shannon)were the smoke monster, but Dave is still a question. Because he was Hurley's invisable friend during that flashback in the nut house and since he was getting the case of the crazies again he started to see him on the island. So it could have just been his imagination being spaked because of his problems on the island. Kate's horse is still a question because Sawyer saw it also.
Time for 24, later dudes

Though Mr. McPherson stood by his decision to schedule a four-month break in the "Lost" schedule this season, he reiterated his plan (first reported last month in TelevisionWeek) to try and run next season's episodes without a break or repeats, launching either in the fall or spring.
Even better. The little 6-7 ep taster was too short to even let them really get into it much. And it did seem clear that they wrote those ep to kind of be stand alone and therefore did little with the rest of the group. Straight through would definitely be the best all around.

Two (or maybe three) more seasons after this sounds just about right to me. I really hope the producers can keep the network people pressured on this. I really don't want to have to watch them "making sandcastles" either. Keep it tight with good pacing and let it conclude naturally, instead of stretching it into a burnt out shell of it's former self like X-Files did.


ron

It is assumed the others (kate, jacks, & Shannon)were the smoke monster, but Dave is still a question. Because he was Hurley's invisable friend during that flashback in the nut house and since he was getting the case of the crazies again he started to see him on the island. So it could have just been his imagination being spaked because of his problems on the island. Kate's horse is still a question because Sawyer saw it also.
Time for 24, later dudes

Note that the apparitions are physical. Eko's brother had a lighter and set his hut on fire. More than one person saw both Walt and Kate's horse. They're corporeal. I'm trying to remember if there was something with Dave that would have verified he was a physical presence and not just in Hurley's mind....?

Even better. The little 6-7 ep taster was too short to even let them really get into it much. And it did seem clear that they wrote those ep to kind of be stand alone and therefore did little with the rest of the group. Straight through would definitely be the best all around.

Two (or maybe three) more seasons after this sounds just about right to me. I really hope the producers can keep the network people pressured on this. I really don't want to have to watch them "making sandcastles" either. Keep it tight with good pacing and let it conclude naturally, instead of stretching it into a burnt out shell of it's former self like X-Files did.


ron
Ron I am with you asm most of us probably are. Continuous is the way to go with a serial like this show. But we have 24 to thank for the networks to even consider doing something like this. 24 has increased ratings every year after they started the continuous run season. Now the other networks know that the viewers won't get tired of the commitment if the show continues to produce quality shows. The old TV logic was that a person would watch 1 out of every 3 episodes. The Networks never considered a non-stop season a good finacial risk, but now you have a more commited viewers that work their personal schedules around their TV choices. It would be much better if we didn't see anything this season on LOST because you had a lot of people on the bubble of leaving or staying. A continuous season doesn't give them any breaks to find anything else to occupy the time. The network said they didn't believe leaving LOST off the schedule for 8 months was a good move, but after this season they will have to reconsider.

If the producers truly do graze the Forums like they say they do. All I can only say to them, We all want a non-stop season that finishes at the 5th or 6th season they have expected the show would run since the begining.
LOST rules, the stories are still freash and if it keeps me guessing then you have me entertained.

Note that the apparitions are physical. Eko's brother had a lighter and set his hut on fire. More than one person saw both Walt and Kate's horse. They're corporeal. I'm trying to remember if there was something with Dave that would have verified he was a physical presence and not just in Hurley's mind....?
Hurley did get hit with the shoe thrown by him. But it was only Hurley that saw him. This is why it is still questionable. Hurley was playing CONNECTION with him and someone was putting in the other pieces. Was he just imagining them playing?

...now you have a more commited viewers that work their personal schedules around their TV choices.

Actually, I believe the commited viewers are working the DVR recordings of their favorite shows around their personal schedules.

Actually, I believe the commited viewers are working the DVR recordings of their favorite shows around their personal schedules.
I Only meant the must see shows. The committed viewers won't go out on their must see show nights. They might DVR it only so they can fast forward the commercials so start time is 15 min into each viewing. There are three must see shows That I will not go out for Lost is one then my biggest conundrum of 2007, which do I watch in real time 24 or Heroes? 24 has the edge. Sorry to my heroes buddies see you next week. but after the 4 hr premiere the mystery was solved.

I for one, am not totally trusting of all that Nielson 'jazz'; who's to say viewers can't be paid-off. I still don't know anyone who knows anyone who's in that exclusive club.

Unbelievable.

Just look for the posting in the NFLN thread and you can see how many Nielson boxes just in wierd markets were in place for the one Wednesay night in question - over 12,000. And that doesn't include the hundred of thousands of diaries that are sent out for sweeps 4 times a year. Considering how few viewers a Nielson diary or box represents, to think they can find and influence enough to make a difference is ridiculous.

I would also point out to you that if Lost viewers were heavy DVR users (which we know) - who watch after the broadcast and skip over the commercials, then they do the no good for the networks - and I would speculate that down the road we will see programs getting cancelled that might have high viewership via DVR - but they are worthless to a network as their lower ratings mean they cannot translate that into the proper revenue with advertisers. Thus if a show is weighted heavy with DVR users, there is trouble brewing.

Unbelievable.

Just look for the posting in the NFLN thread and you can see how many Nielson boxes just in wierd markets were in place for the one Wednesay night in question - over 12,000. And that doesn't include the hundred of thousands of diaries that are sent out for sweeps 4 times a year. Considering how few viewers a Nielson diary or box represents, to think they can find and influence enough to make a difference is ridiculous.

I would also point out to you that if Lost viewers were heavy DVR users (which we know) - who watch after the broadcast and skip over the commercials, then they do the no good for the networks - and I would speculate that down the road we will see programs getting cancelled that might have high viewership via DVR - but they are worthless to a network as their lower ratings mean they cannot translate that into the proper revenue with advertisers. Thus if a show is weighted heavy with DVR users, there is trouble brewing.

There is certainly trouble brewing for the traditional advertiser model. But change happens all the time. DVR heavy shows will likely have shorter commercials, more product placement, commercials that work at FF speeds, and maybe even some more targeted interesting spots. And ways to measure effect of all these.

- Tom

As everything switches to a more Internet like structure, they will be able to accurately tell what each of their subscribers 'downloads', whether they watch it live or DVR it. Who knows, we might move toward a more Pay-Per-View like structure. It sounds bad, but what if it were quite cheap and no commercials . The first four episodes of a show might be free. Cable co's might bundle in packages, 120 shows per month (30 per week) for $20, then 50 cents a show afterward, movies would exempt, included with your monthly fee.

Who knows, we might move toward a more Pay-Per-View like structure. It sounds bad, but what if it were quite cheap and no commercials. The pay-per-view option at your local movie theater is "expensive" and has commercials... commercial free/inexpensive CATV? Keep dreaming. :D

... The old TV logic was that a person would watch 1 out of every 3 episodes. The Networks never considered a non-stop season a good finacial risk, but now you have a more commited viewers that work their personal schedules around their TV choices. ....


or perhaps a critical mass of people with DVR's who make sur eto get every episode but on the schedule that they want....

something to think about...

I Only meant the must see shows. The committed viewers won't go out on their must see show nights. They might DVR it only so they can fast forward the commercials so start time is 15 min into each viewing. There are three must see shows That I will not go out for Lost is one then my biggest conundrum of 2007, which do I watch in real time 24 or Heroes? 24 has the edge. Sorry to my heroes buddies see you next week. but after the 4 hr premiere the mystery was solved.


I generally watch my "must see" shows the same day they come on. But it's hardly at the time they come on. Some of it is to have a buffer to avoid commericals. But most of it is I DVR things so I'm not tied to the TV at a particular moment in time. I might work late. My kids might have more homework then usual and need help. THey might ask me to read them "just one more story daddy". I might need to put in a few minutes of work that night and want to get it done before I sit down to the TV. So the DVR allows me to make sure I get every episode but still put the important things first in my life.


The OP about the subject made me think. I hardly ever watched every episode of anything before DVR's. I watched the first season or 2 of Survivor but then I stopped becasue I would miss an episode here or there for whatever reason and it was annoying to miss out part of what happened. We got DVR's some time later and then a year or 2 ago we rediscovered survivor and now becasue I have a DVR and dont need to miss an episode ever I watch every last second or every show. Same thing even with sitcoms. USed to just watch whatever was on that night if I have time. Now we can record the 3 or 4 that we like best and catch every episode whenever we get around to it. You dont really miss anythign by missing an ep of a sitcom so it never offended me before, but now I'm completely bitter if the DVR doesn't get all the eps- it's kind of funny.

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I would also point out to you that if Lost viewers were heavy DVR users (which we know) - who watch after the broadcast and skip over the commercials, then they do the no good for the networks - and I would speculate that down the road we will see programs getting cancelled that might have high viewership via DVR - but they are worthless to a network as their lower ratings mean they cannot translate that into the proper revenue with advertisers. Thus if a show is weighted heavy with DVR users, there is trouble brewing.


or they stick more and more ads in the shows.

AS an example- how much buz did the washer and dryer people get about the brand new appliances in the hatch? ABout a million times more than a 30 second commericial would have gotten them....

(exagerating but point is they got plenty.)

Unbelievable.

Just look for the posting in the NFLN thread and you can see how many Nielson boxes just in wierd markets were in place for the one Wednesay night in question - over 12,000. And that doesn't include the hundred of thousands of diaries that are sent out for sweeps 4 times a year. Considering how few viewers a Nielson diary or box represents, to think they can find and influence enough to make a difference is ridiculous.

I would also point out to you that if Lost viewers were heavy DVR users (which we know) - who watch after the broadcast and skip over the commercials, then they do the no good for the networks - and I would speculate that down the road we will see programs getting cancelled that might have high viewership via DVR - but they are worthless to a network as their lower ratings mean they cannot translate that into the proper revenue with advertisers. Thus if a show is weighted heavy with DVR users, there is trouble brewing.

What's a more "valuable" show???

"American Idol", with huge live viewship, but no syndication or international distribution value at all.

"Lost", with huge international and DVD sales, but limited syndication value.

"Seinfeld", which may play forever in domestic syndication, but does not play well internationally.

"Desperate Housewives", where ABC/Disney participates on ALL of it's revenue streams.

In other words, measuring a show's real value based on domestic network viewship is, well, perhaps a measure whose time has passed.

I didn't know there was going to be a pop quiz! :o

or perhaps a critical mass of people with DVR's who make sur eto get every episode but on the schedule that they want....

something to think about...
The 3 points you made are true to a point but DVR is the networks biggest pain. Because even though they are adding the DVR crowd with a "plus 1 day and plus 7 days rating the advertisers know that no one who waits is watching their commercials. It might help the show with ratings and help the network win time slots and be able to set prices during sweeps periods but the ad men know that the ratings are lower then the plus ratings show. This is why they are talking about FF ads, online exclusive ads that you can not forward, and others.
I understand that your schedule differs but a true must see show for the normal man, woman or school age family(kids in bed before 9pm)watches their must see shows 15 min after start. Sometimes there may be a complication but a true must see show is a priority to make sure you see it and experience it in real time. I am a true TV fanatic, Sorry HDFAN. No insult intended. I can have at least 3-5 hrs of prime time TV I would watch every night and never miss an episode. But the MSTV episodes I make sure I am home and make sure I am ready with my Crunch berries and turn the phone ringer off. Even DVR can't support this habit. LOL

As for the commercial time. I don't know what it is with LOST, but that is the only show were they have increase the commercial time to lengths unseen before. Heroes seems to be following that path but the good thing about Heroes is that it doesn't try to extend into the next hr. LOST kills us all with that over run especially if your Guide is not up to date then you lose the last 5 min of the show. All other shows are still working with the 2 by 2 rule(2min & 20 secs) but since the commercials are shorter. 15 - 30 sec commercials are getting bigger. It seems like we are losing story time because we are seeing more ads then before.

One thing I need to know from everyone here, how the H@#$ are you guys saving seasons to view later? That isn't possible. Even if you had a good external drive. I have trouble getting all my shows recorded during one week on my dvr. Let alone a full season. If you tell me you record it in SD then I don't think I could talk to any of you who does something blasphemous like that To shows that are shown in HD.

I didn't know there was going to be a pop quiz! :o
This is a learning site. Pop quizes are scheduled on every friday to make sure you are enjoying every aspect of your HDTV.

or they stick more and more ads in the shows.It's a conspiracy I tell you... every time I channel surf there is nothing but commercials :eek: on!

This is a learning site. Pop quizes are scheduled on every friday to make sure you are enjoying every aspect of your HDTV.

What day is it? :confused:

or they stick more and more ads in the shows.

AS an example- how much buz did the washer and dryer people get about the brand new appliances in the hatch? ABout a million times more than a 30 second commericial would have gotten them....

(exagerating but point is they got plenty.)
Maybe we'll find out they are real marketing geniuses when the super markets start selling Apollo Bars, Whidmore pregnancy tests and giant containers of Dharma ranch dressing.

Well Lost is one of the big sellers on iTunes too. So it caters to a demographic using DVRs and iTunes, probably a very attractive demographic for advertisers.

I'm sure ABC and Disney are still making plenty of money.

What would they replace this with anyways? Their other new shows haven't fared as well.

I might work late. My kids might have more homework then usual and need help. THey might ask me to read them "just one more story daddy". I might need to put in a few minutes of work that night and want to get it done before I sit down to the TV. So the DVR allows me to make sure I get every episode but still put the important things first in my life.
Children... even work, before LOST? Blasphemy! :eek: Where's your priorities man? ;)


ron

I'm a LOST fan, I run a LOST blog, I don't miss an episode. But I have only seen one episode live. I'm always busy until 8:30c so I had to tape it (I'm getting a DVR soon). So I fast-forward through the commercials. Now that it's on at 9, I'll be watching it live and using the commercials to update my blog and such. I'll still record it to watch it the next day but I plan on watching it live.

I've never heard of anyone with a ratings book in TV or in radio, my dad has a book as an example cause he's in radio.

I liked Day Break but it was canceled due to ratings so Nielsen ratings aren't a thing I like right now.

Children... even work, before LOST? Blasphemy! :eek: Where's your priorities man? ;)


ron

sometimes I dont even watch it till the next day.

(ducks and runs for cover...)

What day is it? :confused:
I thought today was thursday until someone pointed at the calender and the holiday yesterday that I had to work.

Children... even work, before LOST? Blasphemy! :eek: Where's your priorities man? ;)


ron
Amen brother!!!!!!!
Thanks Ron there is nothing better then a big laugh at work.

sometimes I dont even watch it till the next day.

(ducks and runs for cover...)
Splat!!!!!!! Splat! Splat!
That was the snowball I threw at you! Damm you are fast.

sometimes I dont even watch it till the next day.

(ducks and runs for cover...)
Going to be a next day affair for me this year as well. The wife isn’t going to make it ‘til 11, so it is what it is. No biggie.

Going to be a next day affair for me this year as well. The wife isn’t going to make it ‘til 11, so it is what it is. No biggie.

You and me both, brother.

Going to be a next day affair for me this year as well. The wife isn’t going to make it ‘til 11, so it is what it is. No biggie.


to tell you the truth- it is something of a pain. You have to spend the first few weeks telling all your friends not to email, text, or call you to talk about what happened last night becasue you still ahven't seen it. I have one friend who spoiled the darn thing for me like 3 times before he finally figured out to ask before he blurted out stuff... (AND HE HAD A STINKING TIVO!)

Considering how few viewers a Nielson diary or box represents, to think they can find and influence enough to make a difference is ridiculous.Well, that's actually my point. Yet the networks take this stuff as gospel and runs with it.

One thing I need to know from everyone here, how the H@#$ are you guys saving seasons to view later? That isn't possible. Even if you had a good external drive. I have trouble getting all my shows recorded during one week on my dvr. Let alone a full season. If you tell me you record it in SD then I don't think I could talk to any of you who does something blasphemous like that To shows that are shown in HD.

I copy the shows to my PC via firewire from my Comcast settop box. Once on the PC I cut the commercials out and convert it to MPEG4/AVC with a program called Nero Recode (comes with Nero's burning software). I wind up with a standard one hour show (42 minutes usually) being about 1GB give or take. Note: this works with 'Lost' 'Heroes' etc, other OTA 'Record Freely' programs. Doesn't work for HBO and such.

Can't you just buy it on DVD?

One thing I need to know from everyone here, how the H@#$ are you guys saving seasons to view later? That isn't possible. Even if you had a good external drive. I have trouble getting all my shows recorded during one week on my dvr. Let alone a full season. If you tell me you record it in SD then I don't think I could talk to any of you who does something blasphemous like that To shows that are shown in HD.

HTPC, Brotha.

Sure he can, but it won't be in HD....

...I'm always busy until 8:30c so I had to tape it (I'm getting a DVR soon)...
Tell me you are not watching LOST on.... VHS! :eek: [shudder] You ARE a hardcore fan, dude.

What's a more "valuable" show???

"American Idol", with huge live viewship, but no syndication or international distribution value at all.

"Lost", with huge international and DVD sales, but limited syndication value.

"Seinfeld", which may play forever in domestic syndication, but does not play well internationally.

"Desperate Housewives", where ABC/Disney participates on ALL of it's revenue streams.

In other words, measuring a show's real value based on domestic network viewship is, well, perhaps a measure whose time has passed.

Sorry, they won't be using the networks for loss leaders.

Speaking of BSG and Lost connections...now that Tricia Heffer has done Playboy, when do you think it will be our Canadian girl's turn????

...now that Tricia Heffer has done Playboy...
Helfer, not Heffer. She is certainly not a cow! ;)

~Dan

Helfer, not Heffer. She is certainly not a cow! ;)

~Dan

Uh...the cow is spelled heifer, city boy. :)

Uh...the cow is spelled heifer, city boy. :)
Who you callin' "City Boy"?!?!

At least I know milk comes from the store!

Er...wait...where does it come from??? Does non-fat milk come from skinny cows??? :eek:

~Dan

That's some very funny stuff guys. :D

It's a conspiracy I tell you... every time I channel surf there is nothing but commercials :eek: on!
From the makers of AVS forum and the producers of LOST we have a story that needs to be told. It is a story of a guy who comes on the computer and expects one of his favorite threads that he likes to stay on topic and talk exclusively about the show LOST. But no to his surprise Off topic proliferate. OH the horror! Conversations about Neilsens, affairs and the most devious plan of them all OTHER SHOWS. See What he can do to rescue the insanity.

Now we have commercials at AVS, don't you feel at home.

I copy the shows to my PC via firewire from my Comcast settop box. Once on the PC I cut the commercials out and convert it to MPEG4/AVC with a program called Nero Recode (comes with Nero's burning software). I wind up with a standard one hour show (42 minutes usually) being about 1GB give or take. Note: this works with 'Lost' 'Heroes' etc, other OTA 'Record Freely' programs. Doesn't work for HBO and such.
That seems like a lot of work to get it recorded. That would mean reconfigering my whole house to get the computer any where close to my room. I wait for the DVD if I liked it that much.

My point was that there are people that make it seem that they can hold an entire season on their DVR. I bearly have enough room to hold a weeks worth of TV. I was hoping someone knew some magical world where DVR's hold more shows than 24 hr's. When I get that close to 20 hrs it is ready to knock the oldies out.

From the makers of AVS forum and the producers of LOST we have a story that needs to be told. It is a story of a guy who comes on the computer and expects one of his favorite threads that he likes to stay on topic and talk exclusively about the show LOST. But no to his surprise Off topic proliferate. OH the horror! Conversations about Neilsens, affairs and the most devious plan of them all OTHER SHOWS. See What he can do to rescue the insanity.

Now we have commercials at AVS, don't you feel at home.

Lol how do you stay on topic during a 2 month hiatus?

Well, we could start writing scripts for the show so that when it's cancelled, at least we'll have an ending. :D

That seems like a lot of work to get it recorded. That would mean reconfigering my whole house to get the computer any where close to my room. I wait for the DVD if I liked it that much.

My point was that there are people that make it seem that they can hold an entire season on their DVR. I bearly have enough room to hold a weeks worth of TV. I was hoping someone knew some magical world where DVR's hold more shows than 24 hr's. When I get that close to 20 hrs it is ready to knock the oldies out.

I see what you mean. As for the lot of work thing, nope, I have little mac mini that sits in my entertainment center, I use it to record some shows, play some stuff back on my TV, and it's networked to my PC, so I can grab stuff if I want to, or put stuff I download from the internet onto it. It's handy.

It is a little work editing out the commericals. With the homebrew HTPC I use, I have to mark where the commerical breaks begin and end while I watch the show. It's worth it though.

Can't you just buy it on DVD?Sure, but what's the fun in doin' that? Plus, you can't buy the eps in hi-def....not for a long while, anyways.

Sure, but what's the fun in doin' that? Plus, you can't buy the eps in hi-def....not for a long while, anyways.I wonder how episodes of "Lost" on DVD would look when being up converted from 480i --> 720p/1080i with my OPDV971H (http://oppodigital.com/opdv971h.html) & TH-50PX50U? :)

I'm frustrated with my local ABC affiliate. I just moved to Little Rock and KATV chooses to air SEC basketball. This will occur twice more on Wednesday nights this season. Of course, one of them is the return on Feb. 7 and the other is Feb. 28. If the game goes on past 9, LOST gets delayed meaning no HD broadcast because KATV doesn't have the equipment to delay HD. But at least LOST airs at 9 because the 8 o clock hour airs at 12:35AM the next morning.

One of the main reasons I'm getting a HD tuner for my laptop is to watch and record LOST in HD but if those games runs over, I'll miss out. I think ABC, the network, shouldn't allow that. How does airing the shows at 12:35 in the morning help ABC's ratings or help grow the audience?

Anyways, it could be worse but I'm still not happy.

19 days and 48 minutes away...

I'm biding my time until Lost returns and just watched the movie Frequency today.

Now I know where I've seen Juliette before (other than Santa Claus 2): she plays Dennis Quaid's wife Julia in it.

BTW, if you haven't seen Frequency, it is a great flick.

I second the Frequency pick...my fav flick from winter 2000-2001.


I hope lost gets back to being Lost and not this lame `get out of jail' kraup it's been lately!

I second the Frequency pick...my fav flick from winter 2000-2001.


I hope lost gets back to being Lost and not this lame `get out of jail' kraup it's been lately!

I remain eternally hopeful. Just so long as it doesn't turn into another Alias. Great 1st and 2nd season and then....talk about lost.

I'm frustrated with my local ABC affiliate. I just moved to Little Rock and KATV chooses to air SEC basketball. This will occur twice more on Wednesday nights this season. Of course, one of them is the return on Feb. 7 and the other is Feb. 28. If the game goes on past 9, LOST gets delayed meaning no HD broadcast because KATV doesn't have the equipment to delay HD. But at least LOST airs at 9 because the 8 o clock hour airs at 12:35AM the next morning.

One of the main reasons I'm getting a HD tuner for my laptop is to watch and record LOST in HD but if those games runs over, I'll miss out. I think ABC, the network, shouldn't allow that. How does airing the shows at 12:35 in the morning help ABC's ratings or help grow the audience?

Anyways, it could be worse but I'm still not happy.

19 days and 48 minutes away...

while we wander around off topic waiting for the show to come back-

Local sports seem to be able to draw big ratings and that's all the individual stations care about. WCBS- the CBS flagship in NYC- was the broadcast home of the Yankees a couple years back. If a network flagship does it, I doubt that the affiliates can be stopped.

I'm biding my time until Lost returns and just watched the movie Frequency today.

Now I know where I've seen Juliette before (other than Santa Claus 2): she plays Dennis Quaid's wife Julia in it.

BTW, if you haven't seen Frequency, it is a great flick.


dont forget Santa Claus 3. :)

...and in IV, V & VI. Funny, ever since this movie came out, a lot of people have mistakenly added an 'e' on the end when referring to the person of Santa Claus.

I see what you mean. As for the lot of work thing, nope, I have little mac mini that sits in my entertainment center, I use it to record some shows, play some stuff back on my TV, and it's networked to my PC, so I can grab stuff if I want to, or put stuff I download from the internet onto it. It's handy.

For me to do that I would have to get at least a 40' cable then I would have to hope that my computer is compatible. I am in no rush to record that much yet even though I have been doing research on a DVR external drive.

I wonder how episodes of "Lost" on DVD would look when being up converted from 480i --> 720p/1080i with my OPDV971H (http://oppodigital.com/opdv971h.html) & TH-50PX50U? :)
I have the Sony upconvert playing on a 40" XBR2. I watched season 1 & 2 and the PQ did look a lot better then it did when watching on my Sony 36" CRT. I know one of the oppo was suppose to be one of the best upconverts available, don't know if it is your model, but either way it should give you better detil abd colors.

while we wander around off topic waiting for the show to come back-

Local sports seem to be able to draw big ratings and that's all the individual stations care about. WCBS- the CBS flagship in NYC- was the broadcast home of the Yankees a couple years back. If a network flagship does it, I doubt that the affiliates can be stopped.

But even then CBS only pre-empted the shows on Friday nights which is the second lowest rated night of the week. In NYC have the access of a true HD station so we would have still seen the shows in HD. Plus the TV season was over when the "free TV" games were broadcast.
Kevin is getting screwed on a weeknight during the TV Season. That is not right!! It should be stopped. ABC wants ratings but pre-empting a popular night is letting the affiliate go to far.

:eek: While watching the current season of AI last week... :eek:

I found myself wishing there was a new episode of "Lost" on instead. ;)

But even then CBS only pre-empted the shows on Friday nights which is the second lowest rated night of the week. In NYC have the access of a true HD station so we would have still seen the shows in HD. Plus the TV season was over when the "free TV" games were broadcast.
Kevin is getting screwed on a weeknight during the TV Season. That is not right!! It should be stopped. ABC wants ratings but pre-empting a popular night is letting the affiliate go to far.


I agree it's stupid - but I still say if the mothership can premept the network feed whenever it wants (even if it's on a crappy night with a crappy repeat schedule) then they probably cant stop the affiliates.

Back when CBS did it in NY- the vast majority of people didn't have HD so most were shut out from the network feed.

ATSC sub channels are an interesting idea for such situations, but then the argument probably becomes which program gets the HD feed and which needs to go on the SD subchannel instead of which show to play.

I somehow got the notion in my head that Lost would return last night (probably because 24, BSG & Heroes are already back). It seems like when ABC brought back their smash-hit Darma & Greg after a hiatus several years back, people no longer cared and its ratings sank like a rock. Will Lost suffer the same fate? Are the Losties lost forever? Stay tuned til February :rolleyes:.

C'mon, throw us a summary ep, an Eko rerun.....something....

I somehow got the notion in my head that Lost would return last night (probably because 24, BSG & Heroes are already back). It seems like when ABC brought back their smash-hit Darma & Greg after a hiatus several years back, people no longer cared and its ratings sank like a rock. Will Lost suffer the same fate? Are the Losties lost forever? Stay tuned til February :rolleyes:.

C'mon, throw us a summary ep, an Eko rerun.....something....

Well, on February 7th at 9 PM, they are showing the "Lost Survival Guide" as a way to catch up on things before the 10 PM show. I think I'm going to need that.

the commercials are spoiling the sh*t out of it....I keep fast-forwarding thru them but I'm catching little glimpses and its pissing me off!

the commercials are spoiling the sh*t out of it....I keep fast-forwarding thru them but I'm catching little glimpses and its pissing me off!It took me a second to understand what you were talking about - then I realized that I watch absolutely nothing on ABC except "LOST", so I'm not at risk for seeing these commercials.

I wouldn't get too upset or put too much stock into what ABC is showing as teasers for LOST. Prior previews have rarely led to accurate portrayals of upcoming events.

It took me a second to understand what you were talking about - then I realized that I watch absolutely nothing on ABC except "LOST", so I'm not at risk for seeing these commercials.
Sorry Lax, I am with Gakon. I only watch LOST on ABC so I don't see any of the previews that have driven you crazy. But I know they are probably promoting it like crazy and letting you know everything from, How does the hatch becaome a little hole? to Do they escape and how far do thy get?
Either way I have a great week to look forward to: Mon, 24 Heroes Tues, Both L & O's Wed, Both hrs of Lost Thurs NBC comdedies and ER Fri, NBC again. 12 hr's of new shows. Me so happy!!!

I wouldn't get too upset or put too much stock into what ABC is showing as teasers for LOST. Prior previews have rarely led to accurate portrayals of upcoming events.
I don't know ridge, a lot of people think ABC does show to much and give reveals that should be kept silent. Personally I don't see them being that bad. Previews are for the casual viewer. They are suppose to give as much infor as possible to get that casual viewer to try and see it. People here at AVS aren't even close to the casual viewer so they examine previews with a microscope and feel spoiled if there is one item said or implied that can ruin something form a future episode.

A good example is of the begining of this season preview they showed the captives in cages. That was an outrage to the everyday fan to know where they are before the show even started.

With that said. 5 more days!!!!!!!!! I know I can't wait.

You don't need a microscope to interpret "One of these people will die" as a spoiler. Lost marketing is bad, but not as bad as Heroes.

You don't need a microscope to interpret "One of these people will die" as a spoiler. Lost marketing is bad, but not as bad as Heroes.
welcome to the media of today. Clifhanger previews + dumbdown for attraction = more viewers. No matter how smart the show is it is the networks that make these previews for maxium attraction to the popcorn crowd. A really bad thing that I heard yesterday was that the Director or producers have lost all control of previews. The marketing deptarment is in full control, if this is true stay away from any trailers(TV or Movies).

Even then I know these previews disturb you and others, but they have to give enough info to grab the bubble viewers or any new ones. Like you said about Heroes. There was a lot shown on the one for Mon but if I was on the bubble that preview might bring me back for one more. It is about grabbing the viewer. We don't need grabbing for this or any other show which is why there is a lot of hatred from "REAL" fans when they show so much.

When I just checked next week's EP listing in Titan TV I noticed the title was "Not in Portland". I sincerely hope this is not a foreshadowing of what viewers like me who live in PDX will see next Wednesday.... :eek:


ron - knocking on wood

You don't need a microscope to interpret "One of these people will die" as a spoiler. Lost marketing is bad, but not as bad as Heroes.

Or "24".

The other week they tried to hype up that the next episode would have a "stunning surprise". That surprise was supposed to be the reveal that James Cromwell plays Jack's father. So what does the teaser do immediately after announcing, "You'll never believe the stunning surprise!"? That's right, it shows James Cromwell on screen looking at Jack and saying, "He's my son".

Thanks a lot, idiotic PR department.

People here at AVS aren't even close to the casual viewer so they examine previews with a microscope and feel spoiled if there is one item said or implied that can ruin something form a future episode.



If you're inclined to be so microscopically anal about reveals, why get out the microscope? I choose not to view previews or divert my eyes if it becomes unavoidable. I can say that after seeing the promo for the upcoming Lost season continuation race past in its 2 second snippets several times, I have no more idea what to expect had I not seen them. YMMV ;)

Sorry Lax, I am with Gakon. I only watch LOST on ABC so I don't see any of the previews that have driven you crazy. But I know they are probably promoting it like crazy and letting you know everything from, How does the hatch becaome a little hole? to Do they escape and how far do thy get?
Either way I have a great week to look forward to: Mon, 24 Heroes Tues, Both L & O's Wed, Both hrs of Lost Thurs NBC comdedies and ER Fri, NBC again. 12 hr's of new shows. Me so happy!!!

Greys? What About Brian?

And I don't even watch them live...I DVR them and watch them without commercials and I still see spoilers...so annoying

the commercials are spoiling the sh*t out of it....I keep fast-forwarding thru them but I'm catching little glimpses and its pissing me off!
That's the reason I love having a 30 second skip forward. It's much easier to avoid those promos. Of course, I have to sacrifice HD to get that since my DVR is SD only.

If you're inclined to be so microscopically anal about reveals, why get out the microscope? I choose not to view previews or divert my eyes if it becomes unavoidable. I can say that after seeing the promo for the upcoming Lost season continuation race past in its 2 second snippets several times, I have no more idea what to expect had I not seen them. YMMV ;)

I am not inclinned to bring out the microscope, others are, I don't see it as a mass conspiracy like some people here do. I enjoy previews I don't think the surprise factros is ruined as much as poeple claim. We are so wired that most surprises on TV today is spoiled way before any of these previews are aired. Good example is the 24 "spoiler"Josh if you read anything about 24 before the premiere or watch the entertainment shows you might have already been spoiled because most articles have new cast member list with roles they will be playing. The shock they were able to keep from me was that the guy trying to kill Jack all these years is his brother.
Network: more power to you but I rather the socalled "spoiler previews" then sacrifice HDTV. That feature isn't that good because you still might be caught out there just changing channels and another network could have the same commercial.

Sorry Lax, only Lost, never got into Grey's and don't even know what Brian is about. I am shocked that I have been watching more CBS then ABC. I know CBS has made strides in attracting a younger base and bringing in some good quality shows but It has always been known as the old peoples net, Believe this CSI is not on the list.

Or "24".

The other week they tried to hype up that the next episode would have a "stunning surprise". That surprise was supposed to be the reveal that James Cromwell plays Jack's father. So what does the teaser do immediately after announcing, "You'll never believe the stunning surprise!"? That's right, it shows James Cromwell on screen looking at Jack and saying, "He's my son".

Thanks a lot, idiotic PR department.

Worse was showing Jack's face while there was an obvious nuclear-bomb light flash hitting it. That was shown after the 2 hrs on Sunday for the 2 hour episode on Monday. Did they really need that extra draw for the viewers who tuned in to get them back the next night?

Worse was showing Jack's face while there was an obvious nuclear-bomb light flash hitting it. That was shown after the 2 hrs on Sunday for the 2 hour episode on Monday. Did they really need that extra draw for the viewers who tuned in to get them back the next night?
I am sorry panther but how many Nuclear bomb blast have you seen in person that it was so "Obvious"?

I am just playing, but really I am sorry I missed that obvious light because I didn't expect BOOM at all, they always save the day, even when they don't they blow it up with limited casualties. I was still shocked and I wasn't alone.

Good example is the 24 "spoiler"Josh if you read anything about 24 before the premiere or watch the entertainment shows you might have already been spoiled because most articles have new cast member list with roles they will be playing. The shock they were able to keep from me was that the guy trying to kill Jack all these years is his brother.

That character was a major villain last season, and it had already been revealed previously this season that he was Jack's brother, so no I don't buy that. The surprise was supposed to be James Cromwell.

That is what made it so good, he was a major villian and they never gave his name. It wasn't till this season that we find out who he is. we still don't know wo he is working for. But I knew Cromwell was going to be his father. That was a big aquisition during the summer time and it was reported on E and other shows. Don't get me wrong I don't think their preview was done correctly I am just saying that Cromwell being the father was well publizied so not many people were disappointed because of that preview. If you were, Then I understand your disappointment.

Network: more power to you but I rather the socalled "spoiler previews" then sacrifice HDTV. That feature isn't that good because you still might be caught out there just changing channels and another network could have the same commercial.
I watch it on my DVR because I work nights and am not home to watch most shows live. In addition, other than FX, I highly doubt another network is going to be running promos for the current season of 24. Finally, since I'm used to recording most of what I watch, I'm not in the habit of channel surfing.

That is what made it so good, he was a major villian and they never gave his name. It wasn't till this season that we find out who he is.

The reality of it is that the decision to make him Jack's brother wasn't made until this season.

Anyway, we're off the subject. We need a new episode of Lost ASAP.

Enough 24 Talk... New LOST This WEDNESDAY!

I watch it on my DVR because I work nights and am not home to watch most shows live. In addition, other than FX, I highly doubt another network is going to be running promos for the current season of 24. Finally, since I'm used to recording most of what I watch, I'm not in the habit of channel surfing.
so you are covered, sort of, cable is a money first entity so they take comercials from all the big 5 as well as other cable networks.

Why oh why do you not have an HDDVR? They make recording a show even that much better when you get to see it in HD when you decide to view the show. Sure you lose the luxary of taking you time to catch up, because recording in HD reduces you available recording time by 75%. Once you see the difference you might not want to ever record in sd.
This is a LOST site and the natives are getting restless. 24 rules, Heroes rocks, and LOST is LOST, it is just that dam good that it doesn't need a verb to descibe it.
<59 hrs left. Then 17 straight episodes It can't get any better then this. Plus the annual "If you forgot anything here is where we are now" episode.

WTF!!!!

I open the LOST thread and I end up reading all this, spoiler to me, info about 24. I still haven't watched any eps. of this season yet (on my DVR). So, a nuclear bomb goes off, that evil bluetooth guy is Jack's bro, the guy who invented warp drive (I think that's the actor) is Jack's dad.

There's a reason I stay out of the 24 thread.

Thanks

WTF!!!!

I open the LOST thread and I end up reading all this, spoiler to me, info about 24. I still haven't watched any eps. of this season yet (on my DVR). So, a nuclear bomb goes off, that evil bluetooth guy is Jack's bro, the guy who invented warp drive (I think that's the actor) is Jack's dad.

There's a reason I stay out of the 24 thread.

Thanks

LOL, that's LOST fans for you...if we can't enjoy OUR show, we'll screw up YOURS :-)

WTF!!!!

I open the LOST thread and I end up reading all this, spoiler to me, info about 24. I still haven't watched any eps. of this season yet (on my DVR). So, a nuclear bomb goes off, that evil bluetooth guy is Jack's bro, the guy who invented warp drive (I think that's the actor) is Jack's dad.

There's a reason I stay out of the 24 thread.

Thanks
sorry man, you should know the Lost thread goes way off topic during the breaks so stay away. How did you not watch them yet? These are must see shows not wait untill you have a few hrs worth before watching! Even with all those problems(not spoilers since the show aired) that you found out, there is still things that in it that will give you a nice fun ride for the 6 epidsodes so far.

I do appologize for everyone here, but at least we didn't spoil any of the fun to be had on wednseday.

We should stay on topic (apologies to timick1). Although technically not spoilers - they are spoilers in the sense of what is expected with the AVS show discussion thread format. The expectation is that if you want to avoid spoilers, you need to avoid that show's discussion thread - not all discussion threads.

Back to Lost - I'm keeping my expectations low despite some very positive reviews of upcoming episodes. I miss those "WOW" moments that used to be commonplace but have been pretty sparse since the opening 5 minutes of the Season 3 Premiere.

Back to Lost - I'm keeping my expectations low despite some very positive reviews of upcoming episodes. I miss those "WOW" moments that used to be commonplace but have been pretty sparse since the opening 5 minutes of the Season 3 Premiere.

It would be really hard for them to match the 'HOLY SH*T!' factor of that first season. I used to watch and it seemed like the hour flashed by in a few minutes then BOOM (LOST logo)...crap I have to wait another WEEK!? I can't remember the last time I felt that watching the show.

It's still better than most shows on TV. My patience is running thin however with their bait and switch writing that never really pays off. I think low expectations are the right way to view right now, perhaps we'll be pleasantly surprised.

well they (the producers) said more will be answered in the second half because they were introducing the others for most of the begining of the first half. Waste episode so far this season was The killing and saving of Eko. Don't get me wrong they were by far the best episodes of the season. (Locke finding faith and Eko not repenting)But why have him live to kill him off 2 or 3 episodes later. They might have been able to combine the Locke and Eko eps so they would be a little bit further then where they are now. A second Island and a whole episode dedicated to getting to that point. While they had us guessing for 3 dam weeks about the others magic way onto the boat. we get a quiet answer in that episode. But again the episodes that seemed like filler or a way for some closure, ended up being the best eps so far. It will take me a lot longer to give up on a sereis that I love especially a thinkings man's series like LOST. I gave up on the X-files when the baby came(jump the shark). When was that the next to last season? But when I saw the final season (on TNT)I can honestly say they stepped it up for the ending. Lost has a lot to answer and I feel the answers are on the way. But if you(in general) feel that everthing needs to be answered now then the end is closer for you then it would be for me.
No matter what happens it would be very hard to lose many people if they continue with the quality episodes like they have had this year, even if at first it seems like a, why kill him now episode? There are reasons to the producers insanity, and we are along for the wild ride. Something tells me this season finlae will blow the crap out of the other 2.

Lost has a lot to answer and I feel the answers are on the way. But if you(in general) feel that everthing needs to be answered now then the end is closer for you then it would be for me.
No matter what happens it would be very hard to lose many people if they continue with the quality episodes like they have had this year, even if at first it seems like a, why kill him now episode? There are reasons to the producers insanity, and we are along for the wild ride. Something tells me this season finlae will blow the crap out of the other 2.


As I've said before, I'm in 'til the end, but my enjoyment of the series keeps getting lower and lower (in very small increments of course).

I should be really psyched about Wednesday's ep, but part of me is afraid they'll screw it up :-)

The guy who writes the TV articles for our local paper did a piece in yesterdays TV Click on LOST. It gave some encouraging hints as to the show picking back up in the "2nd" half. I generally agree with most of the stuff he writes so I at least feel cautiously optimistic at this point. For those that might want to check it out, it contains only the most broad spoilerish info that shouldn't ruin most peoples fun. If you are the diehard, avoid all info at all costs, anti-spoiler person, you might want to avoid reading it though.

http://www.oregonlive.com/living/oregonian/peter_carlin/index.ssf?/base/living/1170363302152520.xml&coll=7


ron

As I've said before, I'm in 'til the end, but my enjoyment of the series keeps getting lower and lower (in very small increments of course).

I should be really psyched about Wednesday's ep, but part of me is afraid they'll screw it up :-)
you're with me. we will go down with this ship together. Since they had a great midterm ending I expect it to be a great start. They escape(at least I think they will), so we know they have to not be found by Hdrya others, figure out how to get to the other island, and third find their base camp before the Others on the main land find them also. Will Alex come through and help them back to their island? How can you go wrong with such promising events like that. Oh yeah does ben DIE??? Didn't juiliet want him dead anyway?? Does Juliet help Jack escape? Come on Iteki, does this help you get a little bit more excited?

you're with me. we will go down with this ship together. Since they had a great midterm ending I expect it to be a great start. They escape(at least I think they will), so we know they have to not be found by Hdrya others, figure out how to get to the other island, and third find their base camp before the Others on the main land find them also. Will Alex come through and help them back to their island? How can you go wrong with such promising events like that. Oh yeah does ben DIE??? Didn't juiliet want him dead anyway?? Does Juliet help Jack escape? Come on Iteki, does this help you get a little bit more excited?

Not yet...but we'll see.... :-) I'd like to see Kate act like Kate again...Jack stop being so whiny, and Sawyer...actually he's doing just fine. That would be a good start.

Not yet...but we'll see.... :-) I'd like to see Kate act like Kate again...Jack stop being so whiny, and Sawyer...actually he's doing just fine. That would be a good start.
Jack being being bold to plan this escape is a good start, Kate needs to F@#$ up pinket what ever his name is, right before they start running. Either do that or shoot the bastard. A kiss goodbye before they leave. Sawyer losing hope was very disturbing but he still fought back every step of the way.

sorry man, you should know the Lost thread goes way off topic during the breaks so stay away. How did you not watch them yet? These are must see shows not wait untill you have a few hrs worth before watching! Even with all those problems(not spoilers since the show aired) that you found out, there is still things that in it that will give you a nice fun ride for the 6 epidsodes so far.

I do appologize for everyone here, but at least we didn't spoil any of the fun to be had on wednseday.

Apology accepted.

Although I still feel a little bitter about the whole thing... but I'll get over it. :)

I'll be watching these recorded shows very soon, I'm running out of free space on my DVR.

Dominic Monaghan on Jimmy Kimmel tonight.

He will also be on the radio tomorrow morning here in Atlanta on Star 94 which can be heard online at star94.com

Yunjin Kim was on the View yesterday morning.

Now where did we leave off? :confused:

Finally, its back.....

FWIW, I'm excited about Lost's return, but not excited enough to stay up til 11pm watching it.

Maybe if there were fewer good shows on my DVR (Heroes, Rome, BSG, etc), I'd be a little more hungry for Lost, but I'll be waiting until tomorrow night to watch this one.

The 11 pm end time will probably push my family from live in-theater watching to Tivo viewing the next day in the family room. :(

I guess the good news is there will be no commercials - but Lost is tailor made for viewing in the home theater, so that will be sorely missed.

The 11 pm end time will probably push my family from live in-theater watching to Tivo viewing the next day in the family room. :sad:

I guess the good news is there will be no commercials - but Lost is tailor made for viewing in the home theater, so that will be sorely missed.


You mean to say that you don't have an HD DVR in the home theater? And you call yourself an AV enthusiast. Shame on you!

JK - I wish I had a full-sized home theater.

I was at the doctors office and he was telling me that his wife's sister is related to Ben on Lost and that when they were talking to him he said that the writers are really concerned because, despite what is posted in the media, they really do not know where they are going with the show and they have no idea how to wrap up all the story lines. He said some of them where just thrown out there with no clue on what it was going to mean or do for the show, no one knows what the conclusion on a lot of the stories is suppose to be and that they change/make it up as they go.

Now, take this for what it is worth (through someone who knows someone, etc.) but it does make me wonder if it has some truth to it.

With that said. I still can't wait for its return!!!!

You mean to say that you don't have an HD DVR in the home theater?

Nope. 3 HD-Tivos, but since the only television shows viewed in the theater are Lost and 24 - it really couldn't be justified.

I was at the doctors office and he was telling me that his wife's sister is related to Ben on Lost and that when they were talking to him he said that the writers are really concerned because, despite what is posted in the media, they really do not know where they are going with the show and they have no idea how to wrap up all the story lines.

Yeah, well my cousin's husband's sister's best friend's brother-in-law twice removed said that your doctor's wife's sister is really an Other. :p

I was at the doctors office and he was telling me that his wife's sister is related to Ben on Lost and that when they were talking to him he said that the writers are really concerned because, despite what is posted in the media, they really do not know where they are going with the show and they have no idea how to wrap up all the story lines. He said some of them where just thrown out there with no clue on what it was going to mean or do for the show, no one knows what the conclusion on a lot of the stories is suppose to be and that they change/make it up as they go.

Now, take this for what it is worth (through someone who knows someone, etc.) but it does make me wonder if it has some truth to it.

With that said. I still can't wait for its return!!!!

Well, that story jives with what we've been told about the actors being kept in the dark about the show's plots and subplots until the day of shooting. And, with Ben being a more minor character, I would imagine he would be clued in to the plot even less than the regular.

Nothing to be concerned about here, either way.

I guess the good news is there will be no commercials - but Lost is tailor made for viewing in the home theater, so that will be sorely missed.

HD-DVR in both our family room and HT, but yes, it's definitely a bonus being able to skip through *all* of the many commercials.

It'll be interesting to see what the 10pm timeslot does to the ratings, compared to going head to head with AI last year.

HD-DVR in both our family room and HT, but yes, it's definitely a bonus being able to skip through *all* of the many commercials.

It'll be interesting to see what the 10pm timeslot does to the ratings, compared to going head to head with AI last year.

Between AI and Criminal Minds LOST would have taken a pounding. It would still be a top 10-15 show, but nothing like it's old self. I think it will do fine in this slot.

FWIW, I'm excited about Lost's return, but not excited enough to stay up til 11pm watching it.

Maybe if there were fewer good shows on my DVR (Heroes, Rome, BSG, etc), I'd be a little more hungry for Lost, but I'll be waiting until tomorrow night to watch this one.

Yep, same here. Going to be watching a day-delayed from here on out. Wonder what that will do to the pace of postings on this thread? We've historically been half a dozen pages in by Thursday.

Yep, same here. Going to be watching a day-delayed from here on out. Wonder what that will do to the pace of postings on this thread? We've historically been half a dozen pages in by Thursday.

I'm up until 1am almost every night anyway, so it really doesn't impact me all that much.

...definitely a bonus being able to skip through *all* of the many commercials...

I frequently make use of the commercial breaks by visiting our little forum here.

I'm up until 1am almost every night anyway, so it really doesn't impact me all that much.

ABC thanks you. ;) Seriously, I wonder what the time-shift will do for the ratings? Lots of kids watch this show, and they're going to be heading off to bed before this thing ends. I can't see anything good coming out of Nielsen land because of this. But I guess ABC figures that getting it out of the way of the incomprehensible AI juggernaut will give it a net gain.

I heard the first 1 hour toninght will be another recap show. What the hell. :mad:

Yep, same here. Going to be watching a day-delayed from here on out. Wonder what that will do to the pace of postings on this thread? We've historically been half a dozen pages in by Thursday.

Yep, I was worried that I'll have a huge backlog of posts to read by the time I manage to check in on the board (which looks like it'll be Friday morning at the earliest).

Ah well, I'll hopefully have lots of good reading and not quino-type posts to wade through.

Speaking of, has there been a quino sighting?

ABC thanks you. ;) Seriously, I wonder what the time-shift will do for the ratings? Lots of kids watch this show, and they're going to be heading off to bed before this thing ends. I can't see anything good coming out of Nielsen land because of this. But I guess ABC figures that getting it out of the way of the incomprehensible AI juggernaut will give it a net gain.

My 7th grade daughter started watching this season and now I'm torn about letting her stay up an hour later than usual. My wife says it's no big deal but I'm still undecided. 11 PM for a 12 y.o. just seems too late to me for a school night. She wakes up at 7:15.

I'm really upset at ABC for pulling this stunt. Lost was doing just fine against AI. Doing this just seems like they are throwing in the towel.

I'm in a similar situation...I say record it ad let her watch it later.

My 7th grade daughter started watching this season and now I'm torn about letting her stay up an hour later than usual. My wife says it's no big deal but I'm still undecided. 11 PM for a 12 y.o. just seems too late to me for a school night. She wakes up at 7:15.

I'm really upset at ABC for pulling this stunt. Lost was doing just fine against AI. Doing this just seems like they are throwing in the towel.

Now Its AI and Criminal Minds.

Since I'm in Arkansas the time change doesn't affect me too much, I can actually watch it live now (I was busy til 8:30 on Wed. nights previously).

As for recaps, I like them especially after the 3 month break. But as I've mentioned before, ABC programming tonight and on Feb. 28 here in the Little Rock area will be delayed until the wee hours of the morning. So I'm going to watch the recap online. You can watch it at tv.yahoo.com (looks to be higher resolution) or at abc.com (in the Videos section under Lost).

I'm really excited about tonight's episode and having LOST sixteen weeks in a row. I hope the ratings are better.