I can believe not to scale but things in switched places. The ? mark was the watching hatch that was under the old plane. Again, easily gotten to within a day if not hours.

Does anyone recall the "walking for two days" comment. Perhaps I am mistaken. Two days have never just gone by in Lost before, have they?
The hatch under the plane was "The Pearl, located in the lower right of the map (station 4, I believe). The question mark is probably the housing neighborhood.

It also could be that Dharma is conducting their research from off the island, and somehow they are monitoring the island as a whole, and the food drops are still part of a grander experiment. Sort of like "We know what's going on around the island and we're going to continue bringing supplies as if we dont know whats going on, and we'll study how you react and what you do." This could be all part of the grand plan that is chugging along somewhere off the island.

That's not bad, although one theory could also be that Dharma doesn't care. While they aren't performing the original research, they've stumbled on a whole new project. The let the Losties, the Hostiles, and anyone else do their thing just to study them - perhaps to see how they react to black smoke monsters, weird magnetics and other oddities...
Wouldn't this require a third organization on the island to monitor and observe all these things? This does fit in with Dharma's fascination with unethical sociological experiments but I can't imagine they'd send weak and fragile (at the time) Juilet into a violent situation to observe them. Perhaps they gave her some ass-kicking training before they sent her. If that's the case I guess it's also possible they sent her to the island to kill Ben.

And with Alias, there was always yet another evil organization pulling the strings every season: SD-6, K-Directorate, Prophet Five, and a few others I've forgotten. Why not another one on Lost?

Where there any Dharma logos on the permanent buildings in Othersville? Are we sure they were built by Dharma and not by a previous organization? Is it possible that these were the facilities of the "Hostiles" research group? The buildings certainly could be forty years old (with Dharma's well-known appliance upgrades).

Wouldn't this require a third organization on the island to monitor and observe all these things? This does fit in with Dharma's fascination with unethical sociological experiments but I can't imagine they'd send weak and fragile (at the time) Juilet into a violent situation to observe them. Perhaps they gave her some ass-kicking training before they sent her. If that's the case I guess it's also possible they sent her to the island to kill Ben.
No. It means possibly Dharma was there. Juliet was part of it. Ben and his crew came in and took over and Dharma decided to sit back and let it play out. If we can accept that, then it's not a stretch to assume comminications with the outside world were really working and the real monitoring is being done elsewhere.

Maybe once the Hostiles took over, someone at Dharma said, "Hey, remember the movie called 'Lord of the Flies'? Imagine if we mixed that in with 'The Island of Doctor Moreau'".

Where there any Dharma logos on the permanent buildings in Othersville? Are we sure they were built by Dharma and not by a previous organization? Is it possible that these were the facilities of the "Hostiles" research group? The buildings certainly could be forty years old (with Dharma's well-known appliance upgrades).
Maybe someone who still has a copy of the show can answer that. I don't remember.

By the way - I've noticed this is the first time in quite a while that we've been able to have something to really speculate and post theories about with the show. While there have been plenty of posts following other episodes, most of those were to complain about plot elements and characters. Sure this one generated complaints about Locke's actions, but it still prompted speculation about why he took them.

Overall, this show was a marked improvement in getting the mysteries going again.

Here's Kristin from ew.com's take on Locke this Season:

"Locke needs to be hit upside the head. Am I the only one who misses the days when we thought Locke was some sort of secret-keeping, chess-playing mastermind who was in cahoots with the island and pulling all the strings? I want my smart Locke back. And for him to stay away from the number 7 key, thank you very much—'cause otherwise P.Dessy (Desmond and Penny) will never reunite. Hmph."

Here's Kristin from ew.com's take on Locke this Season:

"Locke needs to be hit upside the head. Am I the only one who misses the days when we thought Locke was some sort of secret-keeping, chess-playing mastermind who was in cahoots with the island and pulling all the strings? I want my smart Locke back. And for him to stay away from the number 7 key, thank you very much—'cause otherwise P.Dessy (Desmond and Penny) will never reunite. Hmph."
Those guys in the Arctic station might have a different opinion after that blip that appeared on the radar following Locke's first "dumb" move. It seems like he's doing everything he can to make the island visible to the outside world.

The Locke haters are going to feel foolish when the Navy shows up saying, "Uh, yeah, we saw your explosion and decided to see what was up...."

;)

Those guys in the Arctic station might have a different opinion after that blip that appeared on the radar following Locke's first "dumb" move. It seems like he's doing everything he can to make the island visible to the outside world.

The Locke haters are going to feel foolish when the Navy shows up saying, "Uh, yeah, we saw your explosion and decided to see what was up...."

;)

Apologize for him all you like...but can you really defend his decision to play computer chess (at the time he had no inkling of the 'override', he was just playing chess) and leave the Russian unguarded?

And as for the hatch blowing up (sorry, the Swan. I now have to be specific about which hatch Locke has blown up :) ) : He had no idea that was going to happen...he thought the numbers were a hoax, remember? . He thought nothing would happen when they didn't enter the numbers...and in his own words "I was wrong"

And he certainly didn't know the Flame was going to blow up...he would have gotten out of there more quickly.

Of course I don't blame the actor, this is just the direction the writers have taken his character. And I don't believe it's a good direction.

As far as the Tivo impact, I can only speak for myself - but I assume there are others in the same boat. I used to watch the same night (in fact, watched it live, commercials and all in the theater) and now watch the next evening because of the start time - and my posting in this thread has dropped off.

Off topic, but I've always thought it was ridiculous how the country's two "inland" time zones have television prime time from 7-10 and the coastal time zones have it at 8-11. That just seems so late for people who get up early for many types of jobs and occupations. Thank goodness for TiVo, indeed. Though I usually watch Lost live to enjoy it in HD.

Apologize for him all you like...but can you really defend his decision to play computer chess (at the time he had no inkling of the 'override', he was just playing chess) and leave the Russian unguarded?

And as for the hatch blowing up (sorry, the Swan. I now have to be specific about which hatch Locke has blown up :) ) : He had no idea that was going to happen...he thought the numbers were a hoax, remember? . He thought nothing would happen when they didn't enter the numbers...and in his own words "I was wrong"

And he certainly didn't know the Flame was going to blow up...he would have gotten out of there more quickly.

Of course I don't blame the actor, this is just the direction the writers have taken his character. And I don't believe it's a good direction.
I'm not defending him, I'm just making the point that his actions may be the ones that get everyone off the island - whether he was intending or not.

If slip and fall down a slick set of steps, it's not my intent at the time to have the issue fixed (nor do I have any guarantee it will be). However, it's likely someone will fix the problem as a result of my accident.

But Iteki, that's exactly why he should HAVE known that playing that chess game, or entering the numbers, might do something bad.... It happened the other time, the computer was linked to a pretty impressive and distructive force... Why would this be any different? ESPECIALLY when the video image of the orientation video guy popped up. The only thing I can think of is that, when it said "if there has been an intrusion by the hostiles", that meant pressing 7-7 might send out a signal via the satellite dish that supposedly "hadnt worked in years". But then again, the video also said the satellite was down, so maybe that's not it.

Too bad we couldn't see inside the Dharma Operations Manual or the Food Drop Protocol manual!

I'm not defending him, I'm just making the point that his actions may be the ones that get everyone off the island - whether he was intending or not.

If slip and fall down a slick set of steps, it's not my intent at the time to have the issue fixed (nor do I have any guarantee it will be). However, it's likely someone will fix the problem as a result of my accident.

:) But if you slip and fall I'm not going to say you are a genius for falling either. :)

Locke has a bad habit of making decisions that effect the entire island without consulting people who are 10 feet away from him. There's no excuse. He trusts his own judgement over those of others...yet his judgement has been shown time and again to be TERRIBLE. :-)

But Iteki, that's exactly why he should HAVE known that playing that chess game, or entering the numbers, might do something bad.... It happened the other time, the computer was linked to a pretty impressive and distructive force... Why would this be any different? ESPECIALLY when the video image of the orientation video guy popped up. The only thing I can think of is that, when it said "if there has been an intrusion by the hostiles", that meant pressing 7-7 might send out a signal via the satellite dish that supposedly "hadnt worked in years". But then again, the video also said the satellite was down, so maybe that's not it.

Too bad we couldn't see inside the Dharma Operations Manual or the Food Drop Protocol manual!

Again, I'm not the guy defending Locke...

He was an idiot for doing something fun that took his entire concentration away from an extremely dangerous prisoner. And yes, he should have automatically distrusted any computer in any Dharma facility.

He then found a 'hidden' backdoor to a Dharma computer and TOLD NO ONE.

:) But if you slip and fall I'm not going to say you are a genius for falling either. :)

Locke has a bad habit of making decisions that effect the entire island without consulting people who are 10 feet away from him. There's no excuse. He trusts his own judgement over those of others...yet his judgement has been shown time and again to be TERRIBLE. :-)
No doubt. His personal belief in his abilities far exceed reality. However, he's kind of like Mr. Magoo blindly stumbling his way into trapping jewel thieves and eventually saving the day. In the process, chaos happens around him as cars crash into one another, painters fall off ladders and cats run for cover. In the case of Locke, though, other people die, Sayid gets hit on the head, explosions and implosions happen, the ice machine and prime rib get torched and Rose loses her washer and dryer.

No. It means possibly Dharma was there. Juliet was part of it. Ben and his crew came in and took over and Dharma decided to sit back and let it play out. If we can accept that, then it's not a stretch to assume comminications with the outside world were really working and the real monitoring is being done elsewhere.
By someone somewhere.

I'm still going by the timeline that may contain errors and lies:

Early 60's: Ben (as a child) and others were on the island
Late 60's to Early 70's: Dharma shows up
Early 90's: Mikhail is recruited
Late 90's: Hostiles conquor Dharma
Early 2000's: Juiliet is recruited and arrives on the island.

Locke sees a film that tells him to press buttons... he doesn't and the swan blows up.

Locke sees a video that tells him to press '77'... he does and the flame blows up.

I think Locke is just damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

I'm not defending Locke either but you can't really compare the two "computer" incidents. In the first case, the computer system was instructing them to enter the numbers or else something bad would happen, which turned out to totally true. In that case, it was only when Locke ultimately decided not to follow the instructions that they got in trouble. If anything, that experience would only have reinforced Locke's trust in following "the directions". Still doesn't excuse him for doing it willy nilly without taking some time to think things through and maybe, just possibly, consulting the rest of the group though. I suspect Locke will be back in peoples' good graces sooner or later...

Regarding the comments about the diminishing number of posts. I think there are several factors at work. There are fewer people watching. A lot of the "buzz factor" and newness has worn off so people are less likely to watch live and post as frequently. We've already discussed all the "old stuff" so now only look at new things. In the beginning, everything was new so there was just more to speculate about. Along those same lines, people are no longer scrutinizing so closely and trying to attribute significance to every little detail either (thankfully ;)). Think how many pages of the thread were dedicated to things like whether a dead body was breathing or not? A lot of the people that continuously posted their ongoing dislike of the show have slowly faded away, eliminating not only their posts but all the resulting replies telling them to take a hike as well (plenty guilty of that one myself :)). And last but not least, we seem to have finally come to semi-consensus on what a spoiler is :D. There were numerous times when that debate raged on for pages just by itself. It is nice to see some renewed speculation going on now though.


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I'm not defending Locke either but you can't really compare the two "computer" incidents. In the first case, the computer system was instructing them to enter the numbers or else something bad would happen, which turned out to totally true. In that case, it was only when Locke ultimately decided not to follow the instructions that they got in trouble. If anything, that experience would only have reinforced Locke's trust in following "the directions". Still doesn't excuse him for doing it willy nilly without taking some time to think things through and maybe, just possibly, consulting the rest of the group though. I suspect Locke will be back in peoples' good graces sooner or later...

Regarding the comments about the diminishing number of posts. I think there are several factors at work. There are fewer people watching. A lot of the "buzz factor" and newness has worn off so people are less likely to watch live and post as frequently. We've already discussed all the "old stuff" so now only look at new things. In the beginning, everything was new so there was just more to speculate about. Along those same lines, people are no longer scrutinizing so closely and trying to attribute significance to every little detail either (thankfully ;)). Think how many pages of the thread were dedicated to things like whether a dead body was breathing or not? A lot of the people that continuously posted their ongoing dislike of the show have slowly faded away, eliminating not only their posts but all the resulting replies telling them to take a hike as well (plenty guilty of that one myself :)). And last but not least, we seem to have finally come to semi-consensus on what a spoiler is :D. There were numerous times when that debate raged on for pages just by itself. It is nice to see some renewed speculation going on now though.


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Not to mention the hundreds of Quinocampa's posts we're missing this season! :)

Locke sees a film that tells him to press buttons... he doesn't and the swan blows up.

Locke sees a video that tells him to press '77'... he does and the flame blows up.

I think Locke is just damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

No, just stupid. Everybody who was watching knew what was going to happen.

My only question was there going to be a time delay before all hell broke loose.

My favorite part was when the French chick said "He makes a good point" (why keep him alive if you have the map). Then Sayid has a flashback - and when he answers the French lady it's dark outside.

Here are my thoughts, take them for what they're worth:

It seems obvious to me that The Others have nothing to do with the Dharma initiative, and indeed pre-date the Dharma Initiative on the island by many years. Perhaps The Others even drove Dharma off of the island.

Mike


Just to toot my own horn, I wrote this post last October and was roundly criticized. Looks like I might have been right!

And I think everyone here is missing a bigger puzzler. Why did the black Other woman insist that Russky guy kill her. What was so important that she would willingly sacrifice herself?

Personally I think Russky guys was telling the truth. He WAS a Dharma guy, but got recruited to the Other side.

Mike

Locke sees a film that tells him to press buttons... he doesn't and the swan blows up.

Locke sees a video that tells him to press '77'... he does and the flame blows up.

I think Locke is just damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

True, but in both cases Locke was acting alone (well, ok with Desmond the first time, but Desmond eventually changed his own opnion on it and tried to stop it), and making decisions with far reaching consequences without consulting anyone. And there was always SOMEONE he could have consulted.

And in both cases he was being instructed to do so by a recording of a scientist who may or may not be dead, or part of an organization that may or may not exist anymore. What reason does he have to trust Dharma?

And if he showed the 2nd recording to Sayid and Kate, what do you think they would have thought to do? We won't know, as he didn't give them a chance.

Again, if he had been shown to have great judgement at all times then perhaps he'd be qualified to make those decisions on his own. Still not right to exclude the others, but I might see why he'd do it. But he's been wrong SO OFTEN, I just can't justify it.

And I think everyone here is missing a bigger puzzler. Why did the black Other woman insist that Russky guy kill her. What was so important that she would willingly sacrifice herself?

Mike


She knows where the Other/Hostile barracks are and Sayid could probably have gotten her to talk?

Too bad we couldn't see inside the Dharma Operations Manual or the Food Drop Protocol manual!

We didn't see Sayid put back the Ops manual did we? Is it possible that he stashed it in his backpack along with the map?

Time to fire up the dvr.

I hope they're not going to let that poor cat try to fend for itself! The cow and the horse can forage on their own, but most domesticated cats (and this one surely is) have lost their natural hunting instincts.

Hope some of those packages the Losties have are Dharma Cat Chow, or something like that.

Sorry, but I am a cat lover and Nadia is too cute to be left out there in a hostile jungle environment.

I hope they're not going to let that poor cat try to fend for itself! The cow and the horse can forage on their own, but most domesticated cats (and this one surely is) have lost their natural hunting instincts.

Hope some of those packages the Losties have are Dharma Cat Chow, or something like that.

Sorry, but I am a cat lover and Nadia is too cute to be left out there in a hostile jungle environment.
Likewise, the other Nadia is too cute to have burned her poster...

We didn't see Sayid put back the Ops manual did we? Is it possible that he stashed it in his backpack along with the map?

Time to fire up the dvr.

I dont think they showed him explicitly put it back, when he looked at it, he smiled, as if he had just found the motherload, so I would assume he stashed it in his backpack. But you would have thought that, at the end of the episode when he says he now has what will lead them and its that one-page map, dont you think he would have instead pulled out the manual? Or maybe he didnt want the Russian or Rousseau to know he had it in case they tried to steal it/destroy it. But I think if they really wanted us to think that he took it with him, they would have given us some sort of hint (you would have seen the corner of the folder sticking out of his pack when he pulled out the map). I dont think, 3 episodes from now, they could really have him whip it out and say "remember a few days ago back in that house, I found this? Well, I took it and just haven't gotten around to looking through it until now."

Off topic, but I've always thought it was ridiculous how the country's two "inland" time zones have television prime time from 7-10 and the coastal time zones have it at 8-11. That just seems so late for people who get up early for many types of jobs and occupations. Thank goodness for TiVo, indeed. Though I usually watch Lost live to enjoy it in HD.Who gets up earlier, bankers on the coasts or farmers in the middle? Not that it's the reason why the prime times are what they are, but they have been this way for a long time.

I dont think they showed him explicitly put it back, when he looked at it, he smiled, as if he had just found the motherload, so I would assume he stashed it in his backpack.
He only smiled because he found the Dharma collection of Dilbert cartoons and inspiration pictures - like the cat dangling from the clothesline with the phrase "hang in there" on it.

Off topic, but I've always thought it was ridiculous how the country's two "inland" time zones have television prime time from 7-10 and the coastal time zones have it at 8-11. That just seems so late for people who get up early for many types of jobs and occupations. .

someone doesn't get stuck in rush traffic after 6pm! I'm barely in at 7pm, definitely not ready to sit down and watch TV.

Lost should be on at 9pm, but for a totally different reason than staying up late.

Lost should be on at 9pm, but for a totally different reason than staying up late.
Yeah, give me a chance to watch it twice the same night like I did in previous seasons!

And I think everyone here is missing a bigger puzzler. Why did the black Other woman insist that Russky guy kill her. What was so important that she would willingly sacrifice herself?

Mike

I agree, this was the biggest question I had after watching the episode. Surely they were stronger and had a better chance to escape with the two of them working together.
If you read the transcript of their Russian conversation posted earlier, she actually "orders" him to shoot her. This supports a definite power hierarchy we've seen - such as Ben being in complete control. Why? Why do the Others follow him so completely? What makes him so special?
So, she was obviously his superior and he would follow her orders to the point of shooting her even though he disagreed. Maybe the brainwashing helps keep this order.
The only explanation I can think of was touched on earlier - maybe they know Sayed was a torturer and would eventually get information out of her. Still, this seems like a stretch to me.
Great episode - I think the stretch run to the season end will be amazing.

I think you folks are right, something just wasn't right with Danielle instantly recoiling from taking part in that attack on 'The Flame'. Her little talk about avoiding these confrontations was complet BS given that they were out in the jungle specifically to find 'The Others' home and raid it for Jack and Alex. It's like person who's on their way to raiding a bee's nest for honey being chased away by a single bee on a flower enroute. Now I wonder about her episode of shooting Ben with the arrow and then giving him to the Losties. Something doesn't add up.

I can believe not to scale but things in switched places. The ? mark was the watching hatch that was under the old plane. Again, easily gotten to within a day if not hours.

Does anyone recall the "walking for two days" comment. Perhaps I am mistaken. Two days have never just gone by in Lost before, have they?

Something to consider is in this case they weren't starting the 2 day trek from the swan area. Remember they detoured to pick up Danielle. So they could have started out more on the right side of the map, and had to go over to the left.

Well, I just saw the latest episode, courtesy of iTunes.. :o and a long drawn business trip...

This was a great episode in that it clearly got the story moving along. I can't believe nobody mentioned the look Locke gave to the camera on top of the computer before he started playing the game. It was as if he knew someone was watching him, and he tried to indulge them in their game of deceit. Before the fight broke out, he saw that winning the game lead to unlocking a hidden menu to perform housekeeping duties on the island.

If he was cognizant of the camera watching his actions, why does he go back to playing the game to unlock the menu again, and try to signal that "hostiles have attacked and taken over The Flame station"?

Did he not find it weird that the menu option to "signal for SOS in case of a hostile takeover" would be buried behind a tedious game of chess, where such "signaling option" would almost always be designed to be stealthy and easily accessible.

This was a great episode in that it clearly got the story moving along. I can't believe nobody mentioned the look Locke gave to the camera on top of the computer before he started playing the game. It was as if he knew someone was watching him, and he tried to indulge them in their game of deceit.

he already knew people could be watching him. It was the same camera they saw eyepatch man with, when they were in the other station.

I just took it to that he recognized where the camera feed was going.

he already knew people could be watching him. It was the same camera they saw eyepatch man with, when they were in the other station.

I just took it to that he recognized where the camera feed was going.

Yes, but what I meant was that, knowing that he was most definitely being watched (whatwith the camera trained squarely at the person in front of the computer with a game invitation on screen), he might have thought this was some sort of an experiment (like what the number entry was made out to be earlier).

Was Locke thinking "not following the orders on the tape" could lead to catastrophic incidents? The last time he chose not to follow the orders on the tape, he vaporized a hatch. So, trying to go against the instructions on the video by not entering the number (77) might have appeared risky for him.

Yeeeaaaah, but.....

The last time, he had a Dharma person telling him in another hatch that the button thing was an only experiment. That turned out to be false. Hence, he has gotten contradictary information in the past. For that matter, he was presented with evidence from Desmond that gave an excellent case that bad things could happen by being late in pushing the button (i.e.: "I think I crashed your plane").

At the very least, he should have questioned what the ramifications of reporting being taken over by hostels would be. With as whacked as the whole Dharma thing is, I would hesitate to make them think it was appropriate to "cease and strike the project" potentially in a scorched-earth fashion.

While I agree that Locke may have...ahem...acted a bit prematurely in pushing the buttons, it is in his character to be a "man of faith". He's impetuous that way, always has been (to his great sorrow at times) and at least the producers are keeping him in character. His boar-hunting, knife throwing and leadership skills are all part of the package, too, of course. But you've got to take the good with the bad with John Locke.

Terry O'Quinn has reported not been happy with the way his character seemingly morphed from leader to screw-up, preferring a heroic role as most actors would. But considering how complex his character is, he gets to dabble in both worlds; it's a meaty part and he should be happy about that. If I were him, I'd be far more unhappy about how painfully underused his character has been this season (ditto everyone else except Jack, Sawyer, and Kate).

Terry O'Quinn has reported not been happy with the way his character seemingly morphed from leader to screw-up...
Well, if he ever wants out of his contract, all he has to do is get a DUI... ;)

~Dan

While I agree that Locke may have...ahem...acted a bit prematurely in pushing the buttons

I don't think he did act prematurely. A lot of time passed between Locke seeing the message the first time and the place going boom. Plenty of time for him to think about it or weigh up the ramifications.

When they had the standoff it was daylight. When the place exploded it was dark.

I don't think he did act prematurely. A lot of time passed between Locke seeing the message the first time and the place going boom. Plenty of time for him to think about it or weigh up the ramifications.

When they had the standoff it was daylight. When the place exploded it was dark.

Maybe they shot the explosion at night for the effect.. and hoped the audience don't question the time delay, or that they would start jonesing about possible ripples in space time continuum.. ;)

Anyone see what Locke does in the preview for next ep? :eek: He actually uses his head for a change.

Anyone see what Locke does in the preview for next ep? :eek: He actually uses his head for a change.
Does he head-butt someone? ;)

Maybe they shot the explosion at night for the effect.. and hoped the audience don't question the time delay, or that they would start jonesing about possible ripples in space time continuum.. ;)Time did pass between when Locke first saw the "instructions" from Dr. Waxman/Candle telling him to enter the code if there had been infiltration by the hostiles, and when he actually did it. The first time as he's just about to enter the 77, Eye Patch comes up behind him and puts the knife to his throat after getting loose. Then they show him back on the computer later as Kate's gathering up stuff to leave and Sayid is already outside leading Eye Patch away. That's when he goes ahead and enters the code just before he leaves. So Locke did have at least a little time to think about it himself. He just didn't bring it up to Sayid or Kate.


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... So Locke did have at least a little time to think about it himself. He just didn't bring it up to Sayid or Kate...
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Well, of course not. That would be too much like COMMUNICATING, and we all know that that is against the rules for the Losties. ;)

I was watching Seinfeld last night. It was the episode where Kramer and Mickey (the midget/dwarf or whatever the politcally correct term is) were acting with the med students. They were acting various diseases and the med students would figure out what they had. Well, Kramer got picked to do ghoneria. Anyone who watched the show would recognize the "I've got ghoneria!" episode.

Anyway, Kramer was acting to the med students and guess who figured out what he had..... Jin.

Just thought I would share.

...(the midget/dwarf or whatever the politcally correct term is)...

Uh, "vertically challenged"?

Uh, "vertically challenged"?

They are called "little people", I believe.

They are called "little people", I believe.
This week, anyway.

This week, anyway.

They have been called that ever since Billy Barty founded the Little People of America in 1957. 50 years is a lot of weeks,
2600 to be exact.

Lost should be on at 9pm, but for a totally different reason than staying up late.
i like the current schedule for the simple reason that they cannot pad extra minutes anymore to the show (as it will eat into the local news). ;)

They have been called that ever since Billy Barty founded the Little People of America in 1957. 50 years is a lot of weeks,
2600 to be exact.
Well, African-Aamericans have been called "Colored People" since the NAACP was founded way back in 1909. At the time it was a very respectful term but now it will make you sound like a racist hillbilly. I wouldn't count on history to tell you how people want to be called today.

Well, African-Aamericans have been called "Colored People" since the NAACP was founded way back in 1909. At the time it was a very respectful term but now it will make you sound like a racist hillbilly. I wouldn't count on history to tell you how people want to be called today.

You have a point there Scowl. I happen to know two "little people" and that is how they would like to be referred to. Of course, that could change, what the hell, I could be dead tomorrow. Maybe even this afternoon.....

I just don't like the term "little people" because it's become synonymous with "insignificant people" over the years, i.e. "Buffy and I shall be jetting the Lear to Caan this season while the 'little people' shall have to find their own way to the festival." :D

I just don't like the term "little people" because it's become synonymous with "insignificant people" over the years, i.e. "Buffy and I shall be jetting the Lear to Caan this season while the 'little people' shall have to find their own way to the festival." :D

Does that mean Xander, Spike and Willow will have to take pubic transportation?

Does that mean Xander, Spike and Willow will have to take pubic transportation?


Nah, too much friction.... :)

just a note,...I tried getting my wife into this show because she tends to be very observant and has a much better memory than me...with that said, she seems to remember that in the finale last season,...the two people who observed the magnetic pulse at the end of the season finale, were playing the same chess game as was in the flame station...weren't those guys russian as well? just wondering if we can tie anything together here...

This is a good find, I will have to go back and watch the S2 finale again. They were playing chess when the location thingy went off....

Does that mean Xander, Spike and Willow will have to take pubic transportation?Riding the Wild Pony? :)


ron

just a note,...I tried getting my wife into this show because she tends to be very observant and has a much better memory than me...with that said, she seems to remember that in the finale last season,...the two people who observed the magnetic pulse at the end of the season finale, were playing the same chess game as was in the flame station...weren't those guys russian as well? just wondering if we can tie anything together here...


This is a good find, I will have to go back and watch the S2 finale again. They were playing chess when the location thingy went off....


Concur on that little tidbit....very cool.

Can't wait for Wed night when this thread starts talking about the show again...and not "little people" (not that there's anything wrong with little people.. :D )

You have a point there Scowl. I happen to know two "little people" and that is how they would like to be referred to. Of course, that could change, what the hell, I could be dead tomorrow. Maybe even this afternoon.....
Sounds like you need to start eating better....maybe excercise a bit.

...of course, the increased cardio activity could be what kills you...or disease from animal poo in your cabbage...

Could that be a potential paradox? Had you not done anything to prolong your health, you would have lived longer?

So is it new tonight? :D



/Season-2 Joke :p

I'm sick of all the Quinocampa posts.

/Another Season-2 Joke :D

I'm sick of all the Quinocampa posts.

/Another Season-2 Joke :D

lol

Man, I'm sooooo glad it's finally Wednesday again....

...I wonder how Taye Diggs feels about it, though. Probably the same as last week...

...I wonder how Taye Diggs feels about it, though. Probably the same as last week... :D

woah......we're getting way too much story information....what are they thinking???

woah......we're getting way too much story information....what are they thinking???That's OK, they pulled away before too much leaked out.

Have to keep the machine going for another three seasons, ya know.

Scott

That's OK, they pulled away before too much leaked out.

Have to keep the machine going for another three seasons, ya know.

Scott

well yup.....

and Locke took care of that problem nicely!

best episode of the season.......

I'm your father Claire.............

Oh sh*t, are you kidding me!!!!!?!

This show will never come to a conclusion.

Now they string out a revelation scene (centering around Claire) that most fans had suspected for over a year. With that kind of build up, I was kind of hoping for something less obvious.

I really, really want to like this show. But each week it's getting harder and harder.

Scott

Now they string out a revelation scene (centering around Claire) that most fans had suspected for over a year. With that kind of build up, I was kind of hoping for something less obvious.

I really, really want to like this show. But each week it's getting harder and harder.

Scott

stop watching the previews and your expectations disappear

I had no idea thats what this episode was about and am loving it

YEEEEEEO0000000W !!! :eek:

HE. COULD. GO. ALL. THE. WAY !!!!

:cool: :cool: :D

amazing

stop watching the previews and your expectations disappear

I had no idea thats what this episode was about and am loving itSorry, but the previews had nothing to do with my expectations. This was hinted at in season two's "Two for the Road."

Scott

Sorry, but the previews had nothing to do with my expectations. This was hinted at in season two's "Two for the Road."

Scott

so I'm sorry, are you complaining that they finally answered a question? I thought thats what all the bitching and moaning was about them NOT answering questions...

Pretty solid episode tonight...one of the best ones of the season...

And I don't know how Lost doesn't do well in ratings...my entire family was watching it tonight on 3 different TVs lol

Well they had a pretty big hint on Claire's history about a season ago during one of the flashback scenes. I foget who it was (maybe Kate's), but it pretty much showed what they revealed in tonight's episode. I don't want to say much more without it being a big spoiler for some people.

I was kind of mixed on this episode. I got a little bit of respect for Locke back. At least he shows some sense of planning ahead again. The whole flashback seemed a bit pointless, though. Overall, the episode was really predictable. However, I did like the ending of it. Maybe it shows at least one of the characters is willing to try and get along for a change, instead of the usual "You bad. Go away." mentality.

And it now seems like Charlie's storyline has become "Final Destination 4: The Hobbit".

Well they had a pretty big hint on Claire's history about a season ago during one of the flashback scenes. I foget who it was (maybe Kate's), but it pretty much showed what they revealed in tonight's episode. I don't want to say much more without it being a big spoiler for some people.

I was kind of mixed on this episode. I got a little bit of respect for Locke back. At least he shows some sense of planning ahead again. The whole flashback seemed a bit pointless, though. Overall, the episode was really predictable. However, I did like the ending of it. Maybe it shows at least one of the characters is willing to try and get along for a change, instead of the usual "You bad. Go away." mentality.

And it now seems like Charlie's storyline has become "Final Destination 4: The Hobbit".

It was Anna Lucia's back story...when she goes to Australia with Jack's Dad...

It was Anna Lucia's back story...when she goes to Australia with Jack's Dad...

Thanks. I knew it was a female character. I had completely forgot about Anna Lucia.

The look on Kate's face when she saw Jack playing football with Mr. Friendly: priceless!

The look on Kate's face when she saw Jack playing football with Mr. Friendly: priceless!

Yeah, it appears Kate really doesn't know Jack.


Great episode. They're really winding back into form again.

so I'm sorry, are you complaining that they finally answered a question? I thought thats what all the bitching and moaning was about them NOT answering questions...

Pretty solid episode tonight...one of the best ones of the season...

And I don't know how Lost doesn't do well in ratings...my entire family was watching it tonight on 3 different TVs lolNo, I'm complaining that the questions they're actually answering aren't all that shocking, interesting, or central to the show's overall plot.

I'll tell you why the show isn't doing that well in the ratings. People are tired of being strung along. The tiny answers we get each week don't add up to much; just tease after tease after tease.

Tonight was another good example. We just about have a character tell us something to advance the plot, and [surpirse] everyone's attention is pulled to something else, and that corridor is closed. This has happened too many times, and makes people feel like they are just being jerked around.

It's time for them to advance the overall story. We've gotten barely any movement over the last season and a half. I've been watching since the very first episode, never missing an episode. But I have to tell you, I'm barely interested anymore. There's probably a 50-50 chance that I'll continue watching this next season.

Scott

I loved the last 30 seconds. Arguably the biggest 'WTF?' moment on TV in the last year!

You know, I think the magic is gone for me. They lost me early in the fall with all the torture and crap, and tonight I really didn't care. I didn't care the Claire was having her designated contractual flashback. I didn't care that she is Jack's sister. And I didn't care that Jack is adjusting to his new life nicely. I was annoyed when eye-patch was interrupted just as he was going to spill Locke's story, makes me think that someone is a plant.

I'm still watching but it's not "must see TV" anymore.


BTW --- Where are the dozens of posts that used to turn up after the show ended, tonight there is what 6 or 8 ????? :confused: :confused:

I got a little bit of respect for Locke back. At least he shows some sense of planning ahead again.


He's still being an idiot....and a LIAR to boot. He needs to go back in a chair so he can't cause anymore damage (j/k)

The look on Kate's face when she saw Jack playing football with Mr. Friendly: priceless!

I was cracking up...leave it to Jack to piss off his rescue team :-)

I liked it and I'm looking forward to next week.

I think the show has finally started moving along again now that we have gotten away from the little island and bear cages.

I guess I knew about the Claire back story from this board, but I bet a lot of people who don't read the message boards will be surprised by it. My question is, will Claire and Jack ever figure this out. She doesn't even know his name (as far as we know). He mentioned singing to her when she was young - I bet she sings - and Jack does a double take at some point in the future. Either that, or Jack has a picture of his dad that Claire sees at some point. That is, if Jack ever joins back with the Losties - or is he an "other" now.

Does he like them now, or have they been brainwashing him some sort of way?

What do people think of the bird scenario? Will anything come of the little message?

More mention of the chosen people - any more guesses as to what that is about?

I think the closeup of Sayid's map may have listed "subterranean passages" - anyone have a full res screen grab? I've always hoped for some more underground stuff on the island.

Based on next week's preview, which appeared to show Locke climbing down a submarine hatch, is he going to blow it up? Why does he want to blow up stuff so much?

Does he like them now, or have they been brainwashing him some sort of way?

Does this question really need to be asked? :D Clearly, he's either been given the Karl treatment or he's given in to the "good life." :)

I guess I knew about the Claire back story from this board, but I bet a lot of people who don't read the message boards will be surprised by it. My question is, will Claire and Jack ever figure this out. She doesn't even know his name (as far as we know). He mentioned singing to her when she was young - I bet she sings - and Jack does a double take at some point in the future. Either that, or Jack has a picture of his dad that Claire sees at some point. That is, if Jack ever joins back with the Losties - or is he an "other" now.



Remember, he's dead, but IS on this island too ! somewhere ...

annoying things which may never get answered --

jack and claire will probably never discuss the dad thing

locke's fleeting moment with eye patch guy will never be described...patch guy seemed to know locke from somewhere.

other annoying things --

locke continues to do stuff with no one to keep him on a leash...blowing up a station and throwing your only lead who was actually ANSWERING questions into a sonic pulse are just flat out dumb. What's the motive here?

just as we're about to get REAL ANSWERS from eye patch guy, french guy distracts everyone and the conversation dies...and wouldn't you know it, the eye patch guy dies a few minutes later.

You know, I think the magic is gone for me. They lost me early in the fall with all the torture and crap, and tonight I really didn't care. I didn't care the Claire was having her designated contractual flashback. I didn't care that she is Jack's sister. And I didn't care that Jack is adjusting to his new life nicely. I was annoyed when eye-patch was interrupted just as he was going to spill Locke's story, makes me think that someone is a plant.

I'm still watching but it's not "must see TV" anymore.


BTW --- Where are the dozens of posts that used to turn up after the show ended, tonight there is what 6 or 8 ????? :confused: :confused:

11 after ther show, for a total of 19 if you include those that occurred during it. That's not bad if you consider many people are watching it delayed - and some won't watch until tomorrow.

He's still being an idiot....and a LIAR to boot. He needs to go back in a chair so he can't cause anymore damage (j/k)

Locke has lied to people several times on the show: The hatch, Boone, the signal, Boone again, the hatch again, another hatch - and the list goes on. He's not doing anything that hasn't been done before. Honestly, I gained some respect back when he threw the eye patch guy into the sensor area. That was cool - and I think the guy was done giving revelations. Once Danielle stopped him from talking, there was no way he was going to start up again. He was on a role before, but that flow was interrupted.

Locke was still being stupid Locke in a few places, but as the show went on, the signs were there that he is coming back.

I nearly busted a gut after Locke pushed that guy.

"Sorry"

Rousseau had warned them that Eye Patch would only tell them lies anyway. Besides, they did need a way to determine whether the perimeter fence was more than merely symbolic.

What was with that pathetic security fence? It certainly won't keep any people in or out, but I guess it would keep animals out. And after living on the island for 16 years, how could Danielle not have ever seen the fence? Did the black smoke keep her away? And where is the black smoke? Did the event cause that to break down as well?

I don't like Claire, never have, I and don't want to see any more of her back story. Overall it was an OK episode, but the show is losing its appeal. I just hope they get the chance to wrap everything up before it gets cancelled.

I nearly busted a gut after Locke pushed that guy.

"Sorry"

I loved that part.

I thought it was another good episode. I enjoyed Claire's flashback and the Claire/Charlie storyline. Locke is acting curious for sure, but I didn't find it at all annoying when he pushed the dude through the pillars. Patch-man just lied and told them that the security system hadn't worked for years. If they were to believe him and go through, one of THEM would have been dead instead. If he pushed patch-dude and nothing happened, then no harm, no foul. I think it was a good calculated move on Locke's part actually.

Also, while it was mildly surprising to see Jack tossing a football around, I didn't find it as shocking as most. So he's in captivity, he "agreed" to stay with these people (if they let Kate go), knows he's gonna be there for a while at least. If he's been locked in a cell for days or a week, and Other-dude asks if he wants to toss a football around for some exercise or something, is it really THAT captivating or surprising that he agreed?

Overall for me a very good episode. I think LOST is back on track. Keep it up!

I thought they did a great job making Claire look young in the flashbacks. She really looked like she was 15 or 16.

As for Kate, Locke, Sayid, Danielle....how are they planning to get back out of the security fence?

Not to start another flame war about "apparent deaths," but......


Did anyone else notice that Mikahail's chest was moving up and down (aka "breathing") after Kate climbed over the security fence?

I want to know where Claire is getting the Dharma hair color from.

I just hope they get the chance to wrap everything up before it gets cancelled.


The show is in no danger of being cancelled....it's held steady at 12 million or so viewers after the hiatus. Not it's 18-20 million from it's heyday, but I'd bet most of those 12 million left are going to stick around.

And it's a demographically appealing show for advertisers as well....

More mention of the chosen people - any more guesses as to what that is about?

That was really the most interesting part of the ep...and of course he died before he could tell us more.

I want to know where Claire is getting the Dharma hair color from.

I think it's the other way around...she was dyeing her hair black in some kind of teenage rebellion against 'the man' :-) I think the drapes match the carpet now.

Not to start another flame war about "apparent deaths," but......


Did anyone else notice that Mikahail's chest was moving up and down (aka "breathing") after Kate climbed over the security fence?

NOT AGAIN!!!!! lol

Not to start another flame war about "apparent deaths," but......


Did anyone else notice that Mikahail's chest was moving up and down (aka "breathing") after Kate climbed over the security fence?

Yeah, I noticed that right away, too. I was debating if it was deliberate or simply a case of not paying attention. I'll be kind of ticked if they missed something like that with all the time they seem to spend put tiny little references in background objects just to act as red herrins for internet debates.

And I don't think eye-patch was really telling all that much. The group said that he couldn't possibly know anything about them, and he was simply proving that he does know stuff. He first just said the names of the other members of the group, and at Locke he was just starting to say that he knew Locke used to be paralyzed. I think he was just saying it like that so that Locke would know that this guy even had information about the Losties from before their time on the island. And if they know Locke well enough as far as his curiosity and devotion to "the island", this was just a way of goading him on in particular.

I thought they did a great job making Claire look young in the flashbacks. She really looked like she was 15 or 16.

As for Kate, Locke, Sayid, Danielle....how are they planning to get back out of the security fence?

Was I the only one who saw that system and thought - its to keep the others in, not their enemies out.

A few things:

What did Sawyer call Claire before Sun gave him the evil eye for using a nickname? I didn't catch the name, but either way that was funny.

The one episode I missed (I actually only saw part of it) was Anna Lucia's flashback episode. I remember Jack's dad going to Claire's house and talking/yelling to her mom. But I can't figure out the timeline.

Jack's Dad and Anna Lucia were both in Australia and stop at Claire's house. Was this before or after the accident? I originally thought it was before the accident, because I thought Jack's Dad was talking to Claire's mom, but maybe it was her Aunt?

I guess it could all make sense if it was her Aunt, but if it was her mom, then there had to be at least 7 months or so before flight 815, and I don't think both Jack's Dad and Anna Lucia were in Australia that long...

Can anyone straighten this out for me?

A few things:

What did Sawyer call Claire before Sun gave him the evil eye for using a nickname? I didn't catch the name, but either way that was funny.

The one episode I missed (I actually only saw part of it) was Anna Lucia's flashback episode. I remember Jack's dad going to Claire's house and talking/yelling to her mom. But I can't figure out the timeline.

Jack's Dad and Anna Lucia were both in Australia and stop at Claire's house. Was this before or after the accident? I originally thought it was before the accident, because I thought Jack's Dad was talking to Claire's mom, but maybe it was her Aunt?

I guess it could all make sense if it was her Aunt, but if it was her mom, then there had to be at least 7 months or so before flight 815, and I don't think both Jack's Dad and Anna Lucia were in Australia that long...

Can anyone straighten this out for me?

It must have been the Aunt. I think years had passed between the accident and flight 815, based on Claire's age. I think she's 20-something now; and she was just a teenager at the time of the accident.

Jack's Dad and Anna Lucia were both in Australia and stop at Claire's house. Was this before or after the accident? I originally thought it was before the accident, because I thought Jack's Dad was talking to Claire's mom, but maybe it was her Aunt?

I guess it could all make sense if it was her Aunt, but if it was her mom, then there had to be at least 7 months or so before flight 815, and I don't think both Jack's Dad and Anna Lucia were in Australia that long...

Can anyone straighten this out for me?


This was after the accident, just before the dad croaked and they all got on flight 815
He asked her to hang with him as 'protection' but he sent her away just before he went on his last binge.

A few things:

What did Sawyer call Claire before Sun gave him the evil eye for using a nickname? I didn't catch the name, but either way that was funny.

The one episode I missed (I actually only saw part of it) was Anna Lucia's flashback episode. I remember Jack's dad going to Claire's house and talking/yelling to her mom. But I can't figure out the timeline.

Jack's Dad and Anna Lucia were both in Australia and stop at Claire's house. Was this before or after the accident? I originally thought it was before the accident, because I thought Jack's Dad was talking to Claire's mom, but maybe it was her Aunt?

I guess it could all make sense if it was her Aunt, but if it was her mom, then there had to be at least 7 months or so before flight 815, and I don't think both Jack's Dad and Anna Lucia were in Australia that long...

Can anyone straighten this out for me?

I'm almost positive that the nickname he was starting to say was "Barbie". He only got "Bar.." out, so Barbie seems like the most likely choice. As far as the timeline of the flashback, that was my exact thought when they showed Jack's dad. If anybody has the episode handy and can see if it was Claire's Aunt that answered the door, that would clear some stuff up. If the mother opened the door, then I really think the timeline is screwed up.

I think years had passed between the accident and flight 815, based on Claire's age. I think she's 20-something now; and she was just a teenager at the time of the accident.

It had to be somewhat soon since Claire tells her mom that she's pregnant.

I think it's the other way around...she was dyeing her hair black in some kind of teenage rebellion against 'the man' :-) I think the drapes match the carpet now.

I think you are right. That hair did seem "too black".

It was the Aunt. Jack's dad goes to her house late at night and she yelled at him to go away and never come back while it was pouring rain and AL waiting for him in the car. Right after, during sunrise, AL stops outside a bar and tells the dad she can't help him anymore, Sawyer runs into the car, on foot, and yells at them, dad leaves the car and we are to assume goes into the bar where he has the conversation with Sawyer that we saw in his flashback

No, I'm complaining that the questions they're actually answering aren't all that shocking, interesting, or central to the show's overall plot.

I'll tell you why the show isn't doing that well in the ratings. People are tired of being strung along. The tiny answers we get each week don't add up to much; just tease after tease after tease.

Tonight was another good example. We just about have a character tell us something to advance the plot, and [surpirse] everyone's attention is pulled to something else, and that corridor is closed. This has happened too many times, and makes people feel like they are just being jerked around.

It's time for them to advance the overall story. We've gotten barely any movement over the last season and a half. I've been watching since the very first episode, never missing an episode. But I have to tell you, I'm barely interested anymore. There's probably a 50-50 chance that I'll continue watching this next season.

Scott

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. ;)

They still have at least 2 more seasons to answer all of these "big" questions. And the issue of Claire's dad had never been made clear; only hinted at.

Enjoy the show; it's back on track.


tim

It had to be somewhat soon since Claire tells her mom that she's pregnant.

A lot of time had passed between when Claire's hair was black and Dr. Shepard told her he was her father, and when she walks in the room and tells her mom she was pregnant. That visit by Jack's dad was not the same visit we saw in Ana Lucia's flashback.

I completely forgot about the AL backstory, and was suprised by Claire's revelation. All in all, I thought this was a great ep. I like how they gave Lock some motivation, and there is more going on than him just being a bumbling idiot and blowing stuff up.

That visit by Jack's dad was not the same visit we saw in Ana Lucia's flashback.
No, I think Jack's dad visits soon after Claire tells her mom she is pregnant. It is possible that Jack's dad came to Australia for mom's funeral, but was too drunk to attend. So he shows up and the house and has a fight with Aunt Lindsey.

Really enjoyed the episode and think the show is back on track again. Can't wait for next week's episode.

I'm not really one to overanalyze, but the only thing I didn't like was the security perimiter. Obviously there is a way in/out or the others wouldn't be able to get to the other jail/cage island.

Also, the losties were standing what...20 feet from eye-patch? But they're fine. Apparently sound doesn't travel that far. Also, since it took about 5 seconds for it to "fire" (enough time for eye-patch to stop, turn around, say "thank you" and then commence dying), you should be able to run through it and make it 20 feet past the fence and you'll be fine. Plus Kate walks right up to where he dies with no worries. And of course there's that whole "if you have a ladder" thing...

Again, I'm not really one to moan and complain (much) about things like this, but the whole logic of the thing had me groaning. Maybe it's a security perimter not so much for people but to keep smokie out, which would make more sense...in the intelligent-killer-black-cloud sense anyways.

I thought it was a very good episode last night.

For the question of whether the "fence" keeps people out or in, I think it's to prevent visitors from coming in. When eye-patch guy was pushed through the fence, the loud noise only impacted him, who was inside the fence, and not Locke/Kate/Sayid/Rousseau

I'm curious who the special man that Eye-patch guy was referring to, when he shot down Kate's suggestion that it was Ben. Was he talking about the Asian Doctor in the films, or the head of DHARMA ?

I'm curious if Jack was brainwashed, or if his plan is to just try to fit in on the island until he could come up with a new masterplan. Last we seen him, he wasn't all that chummy with Zeke, but now he's throwing the ol' pigskin around with him.

Next week's previews look interesting, but the producers have been known to throw a twist in them.

I'm curious how Charlie is finally going to bite it. Let's see, he's been saved in 3 different ways from death by whats-his-face. Would be interesting that if the show becomes Final Destination 4, where Charlie bites it, followed by Claire, then Locke, then some other prearranged order

I thought it was a very good episode last night.

For the question of whether the "fence" keeps people out or in, I think it's to prevent visitors from coming in. When eye-patch guy was pushed through the fence, the loud noise only impacted him, who was inside the fence, and not Locke/Kate/Sayid/Rousseau



that's a good point, and might eleviate my "complaint" in the previous post. If the thing is pointed inside the perimeter it would explain why the losties 20 feet away (but on the outside) weren't affected.

I still don't like the whole idea of a sound-based permiter fence. I still think it might be for smokie, since the first thing I thought of was the wireless fences for dogs. Just seems a bit too easy for people to get around. Maybe it keeps the polar bears out.

You know, I think the magic is gone for me. They lost me early in the fall with all the torture and crap, and tonight I really didn't care. ... I'm still watching but it's not "must see TV" anymore.

BTW --- Where are the dozens of posts that used to turn up after the show ended, tonight there is what 6 or 8 ????? :confused: :confused:
Here is one answer for ya. I started watching LOST during season 2 (watched S1 on DVD), got hooked, and LOST is still must see TV for me and probably will be until the show ends.

But this thread, on the other hand, is no longer a "must visit after a show." The petty whining and other dialogue that does not relate to what is happening on the show has caused me to stop visiting this thread during S3. :(

I'll have to rewatch. I thought the problem was he passed between the pylons and that is when he got zapped. The after effects of the zapping happened when he was on the other side.

I'm not really one to overanalyze, but the only thing I didn't like was the security perimiter. Obviously there is a way in/out or the others wouldn't be able to get to the other jail/cage island.

Perhaps they have a "key" to disable the perimeter when needed, or are getting around by underground passages.

Also, the losties were standing what...20 feet from eye-patch? But they're fine. Apparently sound doesn't travel that far. Also, since it took about 5 seconds for it to "fire" (enough time for eye-patch to stop, turn around, say "thank you" and then commence dying), you should be able to run through it and make it 20 feet past the fence and you'll be fine.

The fence started making sounds as soon as he crossed it, and caused him to bleed and foam at the mouth before the final zap. I expect that the initial sound waves cause a neurological disruption that prevents you from getting out of the way of the lethal blast.

Plus Kate walks right up to where he dies with no worries.

The blast at the end knocked him backwards. Where his body was laying at the end was outside the fence's effective zone.

I'm curious who the special man that Eye-patch guy was referring to, when he shot down Kate's suggestion that it was Ben. Was he talking about the Asian Doctor in the films, or the head of DHARMA ?

I believe he referred to a "magnificent man". My thought was Alvar Hanso. Is he supposed to still be alive?

I think the closeup of Sayid's map may have listed "subterranean passages" - anyone have a full res screen grab? I've always hoped for some more underground stuff on the island.

Based on next week's preview, which appeared to show Locke climbing down a submarine hatch, is he going to blow it up? Why does he want to blow up stuff so much?
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I'm curious who the special man that Eye-patch guy was referring to, when he shot down Kate's suggestion that it was Ben. Was he talking about the Asian Doctor in the films, or the head of DHARMA ?I thought Eye-patch and the others in the compound were not DHARMA? If so, then he should not be in awe of Dr. Candle or Alvar Hanso, or anyone asociated with DHARMA (unless there was a falling out between Hanso and DHARMA after the movies were made, which is entirely possible).

I believe he referred to a "magnificent man". My thought was Alvar Hanso. Is he supposed to still be alive?

But Dharma was started by Hanso...and if the Others/Hostiles aren't Dharma, how would they know Hanso?

As for Kate, Locke, Sayid, Danielle....how are they planning to get back out of the security fence?
I thought about that, too. However, maybe they figure there is a way to turn it off inside the compound.

Was I the only one who saw that system and thought - its to keep the others in, not their enemies out.
I'm gonna run with it being a defense against intruders, not the other way around.

I'm figuring if it were to keep people in, they'd want it visible to those inside to remind them not to try to take off. On the other hand, when guarding from outside intruders, you have your perimeter far enough away to prevent your enemy from observing you.

OK, I am one episode behind you all, but I have to ask if ANYONE can provide screen grabs of super hot Bai Ling from her episode. There are numerous damn near naked shots of her and I want them. :D

A good friend of mine met her and said she is absolutely stunning, has perfect skin and is very friendly, not to mention funny.

But Dharma was started by Hanso...and if the Others/Hostiles aren't Dharma, how would they know Hanso?
Maybe they watch the show... ;)

"That's much too early. Prepare to fast-forward!"
"Preparing to fast-forward!"
"Fast-forward!"
"Fast-forwarding, sir!"

OK, I am one episode behind you all, but I have to ask if ANYONE can provide screen grabs of super hot Bai Ling from her episode. There are numerous damn near naked shots of her and I want them. :D

A good friend of mine met her and said she is absolutely stunning, has perfect skin and is very friendly, not to mention funny.

I'll second that request, fake boobs or no!

Here's one:

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What did Sawyer call Claire before Sun gave him the evil eye for using a nickname? I didn't catch the name, but either way that was funny.

The subtitles showed it as Barb. He seemed to cut himself off, however, when he remembered that he is still forbidden from using nicknames for everyone for a few days after losing the ping pong game with Hurley.

What do people think of the bird scenario? Will anything come of the little message?

I'm frustrated with that little plan because as far as I could tell, there was nothing to keep the note safe from water damage. Did Charlie just shove it under the identification band on the bird's leg? Come on, it's not so tight that a toothpick-rolled note would stay in place for weeks or months while the bird goes about flying, landing in the ocean, etc.

I'm frustrated with that little plan because as far as I could tell, there was nothing to keep the note safe from water damage. Did Charlie just shove it under the identification band on the bird's leg? Come on, it's not so tight that a toothpick-rolled note would stay in place for weeks or months while the bird goes about flying, landing in the ocean, etc.

Agreed. It looked like he just went and attached a paper note to a bird that will sit in water. They couldn't find some saran wrap?


Mitch

Dharma Wrap?
Dharma Lock Baggies?
Waxed Dharma Paper?

Agreed - that was pretty lame. At the very least, wrap it in a second sheet of paper to keep it clean and more readable.

I think the carrier pidgeons are just going to wind up back in the Others Camp. When Kate/Locke/Sayid/Rousseau jumped the "fence" the pidgeons were up in the sky, seeming to fly towards the center of where they were headed

needless to say, the Charlie/Claire message isn't going to get very far

I thought it looked more like a tern or a gull.

I think you are right. That hair did seem "too black".I agree. I think she was just going through a petulant, "goth" phase at the time. I liked the ep a lot myself. I'm sure we'll find out more about the functioning of the perimeter "fence" later. For those that don't watch the previews, without giving up anything, unless they are trying to throw us another curve ball the next ep should be quite interesting :). Just based on the way they put it, this time I actually think they'll deliver though.


ron

The blood spurting out of that guy's ears was the best part.

My thought with the fence was - microwaves. Eye patch guy seemed a bit red around the head where he got zapped, and those things on the side of the pylons look a bit like microwave antennas.

He also seemed to be having trouble from the inside out (blood pouring out the ears - nice touch).

I don't think Locke is stupid, or a hero, I think he's on the inside and manipulating events to happen. Locke whacked Eye patch for fear he was going to spill the beans about him. It's pretty obvious by now he's operating under his own agenda.

I don't think Locke is stupid, or a hero, I think he's on the inside and manipulating events to happen. Locke whacked Eye patch for fear he was going to spill the beans about him. It's pretty obvious by now he's operating under his own agenda.

Operating in his own agenda, only in so much as everyone else. They all have dirtly little secrets. Locke is no different. I don't think he's on the inside at all..

So we have a blonde girl named Claire, who suddenly is sporting dark hair, and has a surprise father making her and another character heirs.

I've seen this before, where?

Think about it for a sec....when we saw Locke beating on the hatch door in season 1, he said "I've done everything you've asked"....at the time, most viewers thought Locke was a little nuts & dismissed it. But most everything he's done...from knocking Sayid on the head on his first radio attempt, to turning the key, to blowing up the power station, to whacking eye patch, he seems intent on preventing something.
Dude is dirty...for what reason, dunno, but he's up to something. I just dont think its because he likes being out of the wheelchair either....is he being played by an outside force? Possibly, given his nature of being "easily manipulated".
And the giveaway for me is the latest ABC promo for next week...."he's a leader of men, a hunter", etc etc etc....BS. The ABC promos are time tested Bizarro-world....exactly the opposite of what usually happens!

Interesting theory, Karnis. The bit about the hidden C4 was a little funny.

Yeah, his little quip about "you never know when you'll need" some....tells me he knows exactly what he's going to do with it. If you made up a list of all the questionable stuff Locke has done and been involved with, you have to wonder...

Banging on the hatch screaming "I've done what you asked"
Bonked Sayid on the head for trying to use the pilots radio...
Drugged Boone with that crap on his head...
Involved with, and tried to cover up Boones death, again radio involved
Several lies about the first hatch...
Insisted on blowing open the hatch....
Didnt push the button even though Walt warned them "no buttons bad", blowing up the hatch
Blew up the comm station, stole C4 and lied about it on 2 levels
Whacked eye patch as he kept talking more & more
faced the smokie monster twice seemingly without fear of death
What else am I missing?

Locke is certainly on his own agenda, and he's very self centered. I have always looked at Locke as a Mystic, the flip side of Mr.Ekko, who represented organized Religion. Locke has a belief system of some sort, and the Island itself is somehow the 'Prime Mover' in his scheme of things. So, in a sense Locke's actions are similar to a religious zealot.

Re: the security perimeter... looks like Dharma not only found the exact frequency to make you crap your pants, they also found the exact frequency to make you spit blood out of your ears! :)

What was with that pathetic security fence? It certainly won't keep any people in or out, but I guess it would keep animals out.
It would keep out anyone who wasn't determined to put some some time and resources into going over it. You can get over a razor wire fence the same way.

Apparently the Dharma folks don't believe in land mines.

And after living on the island for 16 years, how could Danielle not have ever seen the fence? Did the black smoke keep her away?
Since she's only one person and knows the island is dangerous, she doesn't wander around any more than she has to. That's how the Losties have been getting themselves killed.

So we have a blonde girl named Claire, who suddenly is sporting dark hair, and has a surprise father making her and another character heirs.

I've seen this before, where?

"There once was a blonde girl named Claire,
Who one time sported black hair,
Her father did sire, and then deny her,
But now she has become his heir."


I have no idea.

Agreed - that was pretty lame. At the very least, wrap it in a second sheet of paper to keep it clean and more readable.
My idea: scratch the message on a one inch by four inch or so roll of aluminum from the plane wreckage. Roll the metal around the bird's untagged leg and crimp it.

And don't waste space with heart-touching tales of how they have survived so far! :rolleyes:

Also, I wouldn't have stuck a message on just one bird. I would have snatched as many birds as I could and stuck messages on them. The Losties shouldn't rely on luck at this point!

Locke is certainly on his own agenda

Might it be as simple as he regained his ability to walk once on the island, so therefore he intends to keep that ability by hook or crook?

Also, I wouldn't have stuck a message on just one bird. I would have snatched as many birds as I could and stuck messages on them. The Losties shouldn't rely on luck at this point!


I think that was the original idea, until Des shot the gun that scared them all off.

My idea: scratch the message on a one inch by four inch or so roll of aluminum from the plane wreckage. Roll the metal around the bird's untagged leg and crimp it.

And don't waste space with heart-touching tales of how they have survived so far! :rolleyes:

Oceanic 815. Off Course. Around Fiji. Turbulence. Crash. 80 days. Survivors. Rescue. Pretty. Please.

Maybe with all the brainiac boy scout survivalists they have, someone could make a rough guess as to their latitude/longitude as well.

Did the black smoke keep her away? And where is the black smoke? Did the event cause that to break down as well?

We have seen the black smoke recently this season, after the event. Remember it threw Eko around...

Maybe with all the brainiac boy scout survivalists they have, someone could make a rough guess as to their latitude/longitude as well.

Season finale. Final act.

Locke pulls out a sextant.

Sayid: "Sonofagoath !! You hadh a sexthanth all the thime !!"
Locke: "You never know when a sextant might come in handy" !!

LOST.

Maybe with all the brainiac boy scout survivalists they have, someone could make a rough guess as to their latitude/longitude as well.


Longitude should be easy--assuming Charlie's watch is set to GMT, just note the exact moment the sun is highest in the sky--high noon. Then note the difference between solar noon and what charlie's watch says. Course anyone's watch would do, just have to do a little extra math for their timezone.

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I just looked it up, they can actually tell their latitude from the noon sun's angle above the horizon. They might not know it themselves, but if they give the correct date along with the suns noon angle above the horizon (and exact time this occurs), the authorities could get a pretty rough estimate of where they are.

Yep, and even me who doesn't know how to calculate it understands the concept:

"Longitude: At noon local time my watch says it's 10PM London time. Latitude: On such and such date the sun came up at 2AM London time and sets at 2:30PM."

The longitude part I knew only cause I watched some Discovery channel documentary about some poor guy who spent his entire life designing a clock that would retain it's accuracy at sea. There was a big reward offered by the King/Queen, as this would represent a great leap in maritime navigation. Really makes you appreciate your quartz digital watch!

'Course this is all assuming someone has a working watch. Someone might, but Charlie would have no way of finding that out. On Lost you can't just walk up to someone and ask them a question like "do you have a watch?" :D

I believe he referred to a "magnificent man". My thought was Alvar Hanso. Is he supposed to still be alive?

doubtful its Hanso...wouldn't make much sense...They have now mentioned Jacob a few times....methinks that has something to do with it

My thought with the fence was - microwaves. Eye patch guy seemed a bit red around the head where he got zapped, and those things on the side of the pylons look a bit like microwave antennas.

He also seemed to be having trouble from the inside out (blood pouring out the ears - nice touch).I was waiting for his head to explode a la Scanners (1981) (http://imdb.com/title/tt0081455/) :D

The longitude part I knew only cause I watched some Discovery channel documentary about some poor guy who spent his entire life designing a clock that would retain it's accuracy at sea. There was a big reward offered by the King/Queen, as this would represent a great leap in maritime navigation. Really makes you appreciate your quartz digital watch!

I read that book! It was actually called, believe it or not, "Longitude", and was very fascinating.

Did anyone else notice that Mikahail's chest was moving up and down (aka "breathing") after Kate climbed over the security fence?
No. That's not something I usually look for.

This may come as a shock to you, but in most movies and TV shows, the actor doesn't really die...they're just "acting." :rolleyes:

~Dan

Did Sun suddenly lose her accent when speaking English in this last episode, or did it happen earlier?

So we have a blonde girl named Claire, who suddenly is sporting dark hair, and has a surprise father making her and another character heirs.

I've seen this before, where?

Somehow I won't be surprised if Jack and Claire share a kiss before learning of their family relation...now where have I seen that before?

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Locke is certainly on his own agenda, and he's very self centered. I have always looked at Locke as a Mystic, the flip side of Mr.Ekko, who represented organized Religion. Locke has a belief system of some sort, and the Island itself is somehow the 'Prime Mover' in his scheme of things. So, in a sense Locke's actions are similar to a religious zealot.

I honestly believe Locke has no desire to be rescued. He probably figures if he goes back to the real world, he'll be back in the chair again. He had a long talk with Rose about that very thing at one point.

On the island, he's a big man - a warrior hunter. A survivalist. In his former life, he was a collections officer for a box company who plays "Risk" on his lunch hour. His boss is a punk kid. His father stole a kidney. He got duped by an DEA agent.

Now he's in flux. Ben gained his trust and duped him. He saw Michael turn against the group - and his pet project, Walt, taken away. He thought Dharma duped him with the hatch. Eye patch guy told him lies.

He probably feels like everything is going to hell and he can't trust anyone.

What I want to know is how did Desmond capture the bird in the first place? Since it didn't fly away when he approached (standard bird behavior) we figured it was injured and couldn't fly. Then they attach a roughly novella-length message on a tiny piece of paper and the bird just flies away, good as new. Maybe the island heals birds as well as people...?

One of the biggest mysteries for me is how do these Others know so much about the Losties? Not only their histories, but personal failures and motivations. Gotta' tell ya', when Eyepatch mentioned "the list" again, I got a few goose bumps. There's only one other show on TV that can do that to me....(and it ain't American Idol). I still love this show!

Great episode Wed. night. Although the brainwashed Jack tossing a football around with one of his other buddies was a little too predictable.
So we have a blonde girl named Claire, who suddenly is sporting dark hairOne of my nieces went through a gothic stage... Claire’s back story seems pretty consistent to me. ;)

What I want to know is how did Desmond capture the bird in the first place? Since it didn't fly away when he approached (standard bird behavior) we figured it was injured and couldn't fly. Then they attach a roughly novella-length message on a tiny piece of paper and the bird just flies away, good as new. Maybe the island heals birds as well as people...?
It looked the bird was hung up on something. Perhaps the tag got caught on the weeds on the rock.

when Eyepatch mentioned "the list" again, I got a few goose bumps. There's only one other show on TV that can do that to me....(and it ain't American Idol)Except when Sanjaya performs... then I get chills of the sickly kind that makes me want to puke instead. :D

BTW... Sanjaya is Howard Stern's favorite contestant... and I don't mean Anna Nichole's wanna be celebrity blood-sucking leech hanger-on boyfriend/lawyer/drug connection.

Sanjaya is Howard Stern's favorite contestant (source: FNC)

In the first season, if I remember correctly, Charlie asks Locke offhandedly when he opens a case full of rather large knives, "are you some sort of hit man or something?"

Locke smiles and gives some BS answer.... :D

Charlie's note on the bird seemed more like something I would have seen on "Gilligan's Island". I was waiting for the Skipper to step out and hit Charlie on the head with his sailor's cap and say "You mean you didnt put the note in something water tight!"

I want to know what the poster was talking about where he had seen Claire's backstory before. I hate when posts drop a bomb like that and then don't come back to followup on it.

As for the fence, was I the only one expecting a T-Rex to show up in the background? :D It all looked so very Jurassic Park.

For those speculating as to the timeline, it was a significant time later when Claire announces to her mother that she’s pregnant. Her hair is blond at this point. So we can conclude that they decided to let her live on in a supported manner. I am trying to figure out how this fact ties into her relationship with Charlie...afterall, she doesn't know that Dezzy is trying to "support" Charlie's life too.

No. That's not something I usually look for.

This may come as a shock to you, but in most movies and TV shows, the actor doesn't really die...they're just "acting." :rolleyes:

~Dan

But if the actor's chest is moving up and down while on camera if he is supposed to be dead, I call that "bad acting!"

But if the actor's chest is moving up and down while on camera if he is supposed to be dead, I call that "bad acting!"

Well, I'm sure that practice at holding one's breath for excessive lengths of time is not something that's taught in most acting classes or theater schools. Geez. Who cares if you can see a little chest movement? This is not a nit worthy of picking yet it comes up every time there's a dead guy on screen. Take a deep breath and get over it. :rolleyes:

Now he's in flux. Ben gained his trust and duped him. He saw Michael turn against the group - and his pet project, Walt, taken away. He thought Dharma duped him with the hatch. Eye patch guy told him lies.

i think Locke is on the side of The Island now. at first he thought it was Dharma (who made the hatch), then maybe The Others... now he realizes that they are/were just people on The Island, and they do not represent what Ths Island wants. he probably had a vision while on his walkabout and was given a mission; i don't know what it was, but it doesn't mesh with the objectives of Dharma or The Others.

he probably had a vision while on his walkabout and was given a mission; i don't know what it was, but it doesn't mesh with the objectives of Dharma or The Others.

Or, even the rest of his fellow castaways, it would appear. Maybe next week we'll find out just what's on Locke's mind... or, uh, not. ;)

OK, as I said before, we need near naken Bai Ling pictures!

OK, as I said before, we need near naken Bai Ling pictures!

Did you ever hear of images.google.com? You can even remove the word "near" from your request.

But if the actor's chest is moving up and down while on camera if he is supposed to be dead, I call that "bad acting!"


I've seen "corpses" on the autopsy slab do the same thing on many episodes of CSI.

Bad acting? No. Difficulty in maintaing shallow or no respiration during multiple takes? Yes.

For those speculating as to the timeline, it was a significant time later when Claire announces to her mother that she’s pregnant. Her hair is blond at this point. So we can conclude that they decided to let her live on in a supported manner. I am trying to figure out how this fact ties into her relationship with Charlie...afterall, she doesn't know that Dezzy is trying to "support" Charlie's life too.When Claire followed Desmond out to the rocks where he picked up the bird, she confronted him about what was going on and how he knew exactly where to go to get the bird etc. He spilled the beans about his visions and seemingly told her everything about how he's been trying to "prolong" Charlie's life by interfering in the "incidents" that would have otherwise killed him. At the end she even tells Charlie that Desmond told her everything I believe.

I don't think Jack has been brainwashed. Didn't he make a deal with Ben? I think he's now just biding his time, waiting for the next sub (or whatever) out of town. Or at least I think that's what he thinks he's doing anyway :).

Anyone else notice how many nice island scenery shots they had in this ep? Usually they fit in one of two here and there. But this ep was just chock full of them. At least from a HD standpoint that's one of the things that makes LOST stand out for me.


ron

Well, I'm sure that practice at holding one's breath for excessive lengths of time is not something that's taught in most acting classes or theater schools. Geez. Who cares if you can see a little chest movement? This is not a nit worthy of picking yet it comes up every time there's a dead guy on screen. Take a deep breath and get over it. :rolleyes:
I agree that it's a pointless nit, but do we know for a fact that he (the character that is) is really dead? Or is he, at this point, still dying from his aneurism? I don't recall them saying...

When Claire followed Desmond out to the rocks where he picked up the bird, she confronted him about what was going on and how he knew exactly where to go to get the bird etc. He spilled the beans about his visions and seemingly told her everything about how he's been trying to "prolong" Charlie's life by interfering in the "incidents" that would have otherwise killed him. At the end she even tells Charlie that Desmond told her everything I believe.


Wow, I must've been out to lunch mentally during that scene as I didn't remember that at all. Thanks for the explanation.

I don't think Jack has been brainwashed. Didn't he make a deal with Ben? I think he's now just biding his time, waiting for the next sub (or whatever) out of town. Or at least I think that's what he thinks he's doing anyway :).

I think, like Kate, we're supposed to believe that:

a) Jack has sided with the others (the obvious conclusion)

or

b) He's been brainwashed (less obvious because you'd have to remember the brainwashing scene with Alex' boyfriend)

But, I agree with others here that it's actually "C" and Jack is either fooling his captors or biding his time until he can escape. He may have even been subjected to brainwashing but was resistant to it for whatever reason.

Anyone else notice how many nice island scenery shots they had in this ep? Usually they fit in one of two here and there. But this ep was just chock full of them. At least from a HD standpoint that's one of the things that makes LOST stand out for me.


Agreed, lots of beach and rocky outcropping scenes. Plus, the aforementioned "T-Rex" cage was a nice shot too.

I'm also almost positive that entire setting was the same one that was used for the VW bug jump-start scene earlier this season, as well as the golf outing scenes of the first season. Less sure of the golf course one though.

The bird seemed to just be nesting there... It didn't look injured at all, and if it was, you would have known it more. I think it woudl have been too much to go into a whole thing about the island healing the bird. It just appeared as though the bird was nesting there, even sitting on an egg, though there wasn't any egg.

But why would Desmond fire his gun to scare off the birds in the intial trapping scene (he obviously did it on purpose and wasn't really hunting a boar), but then would go get a bird later on? Maybe he's interested in Claire too and wanted to play the hero, he wanted to be the one to bring back a bird... but when Claire followed him, he was forced to tell her the truth about saving Charlie from death, so now she's back more attached to Charlie, and Desmond's plan backfired. That may lead to Desmond NOT saving Charlie in the future when he could, to get Charlie out of the picture. Who knows!

Well, I'm sure that practice at holding one's breath for excessive lengths of time is not something that's taught in most acting classes or theater schools. Geez. Who cares if you can see a little chest movement? This is not a nit worthy of picking yet it comes up every time there's a dead guy on screen. Take a deep breath and get over it. :rolleyes:

I see the issue--I forgot to put the ;) in my post. I was just having a little bit of fun--relax, mmmkay?

Oh, and "take a deep breath..." --Funny! But I'm not sure you meant it as a joke...

One of the biggest mysteries for me is how do these Others know so much about the Losties? Not only their histories, but personal failures and motivations. Gotta' tell ya', when Eyepatch mentioned "the list" again, I got a few goose bumps. There's only one other show on TV that can do that to me....(and it ain't American Idol). I still love this show!

I'm guessing some of the others are like Desmond and have memories of doing much of this before with various outcomes. Because of this they may also have a list of similar others or of folks that are known (remembered) to be necessary for some great future battle between good and less good.

- Tom

When Locke pushed Eye-Patch through the perimeter of the security system, I think he had two motives.

1) Let's see if he's lyeing so we don't die going through it.

2) This guy knows about me and was about to reveal my BIGGEST secret on the island and I can't let that happen. PLEASE PLEASE let this security system be active and fry this guy before he spills the beans.

When Locke pushed Eye-Patch through the perimeter of the security system, I think he had two motives.

1) Let's see if he's lyeing so we don't die going through it.

2) This guy knows about me and was about to reveal my BIGGEST secret on the island and I can't let that happen. PLEASE PLEASE let this security system be active and fry this guy before he spills the beans.

But who really gives a flying fig if he was in a wheelchair? Just another freaky mystery of the island...why kill someone to hide that?

But who really gives a flying fig if he was in a wheelchair? Just another freaky mystery of the island...why kill someone to hide that?
maybe Locke doesn't want to let others know just how supernatual the Island is. right now they only think it's strange people. mayeb if the Losties find out about Locke's rehabilitation, they'd know more about his (apparent) motivation to NOT get off the Island.

I'm guessing some of the others are like Desmond and have memories of doing much of this before with various outcomes. Because of this they may also have a list of similar others or of folks that are known (remembered) to be necessary for some great future battle between good and less good.

- Tom

"All this has happened before, and it will all happen again." Hmmmm, now where have I heard that recently.... ;)

I see the issue--I forgot to put the ;) in my post. I was just having a little bit of fun--relax, mmmkay?

Oh, and "take a deep breath..." --Funny! But I'm not sure you meant it as a joke...

Actually, I did. And it's funny how the wrong emoticon can change the entire impression of a post, ain't it? ;)

I don't think Jack has been brainwashed. Didn't he make a deal with Ben? I think he's now just biding his time, waiting for the next sub (or whatever) out of town. Or at least I think that's what he thinks he's doing anyway :).

True, he could be playing nice to get what he wants. They need him and he needs them, so play nice, get along and no one gets hurt. It does make you wonder what his reaction will be to an attempted (and probably unwanted) rescue.

I thought it was a nice "joke" played on the viewers by having it appear as if Jack was running for his life, only to have him turn to catch the ball.


Anyone else notice how many nice island scenery shots they had in this ep? Usually they fit in one of two here and there. But this ep was just chock full of them. At least from a HD standpoint that's one of the things that makes LOST stand out for me.
ron

There was one scene that made me glad to have an 85" HD projector. In the scene, Locke and gang are coming out of the woods. The scene is filmed so that the people only take up about a 1/20th of the scene as they walk though. My thought - anyone watching that on a regular SD TV would just see some colored blobs walking though a field of trees, but on the big HD screen, it was a very captivating image and you could still make out the faces of the characters.

The bird seemed to just be nesting there... It didn't look injured at all, and if it was, you would have known it more. I think it woudl have been too much to go into a whole thing about the island healing the bird. It just appeared as though the bird was nesting there, even sitting on an egg, though there wasn't any egg.

But why would Desmond fire his gun to scare off the birds in the intial trapping scene (he obviously did it on purpose and wasn't really hunting a boar), but then would go get a bird later on? Maybe he's interested in Claire too and wanted to play the hero, he wanted to be the one to bring back a bird... but when Claire followed him, he was forced to tell her the truth about saving Charlie from death, so now she's back more attached to Charlie, and Desmond's plan backfired. That may lead to Desmond NOT saving Charlie in the future when he could, to get Charlie out of the picture. Who knows!

The way I see it, Desmond wanted to scare the birds off, and see if Claire gives up the idea of tagging them with a message. Maybe during the initial plan of catching the birds using the nets, Charlie would die someway. So, Dez fired off the gun, and scared the birds away. This might have led Claire to get disappointed, and Charlie might have tried to be the valiant hero trying to score some points with his lady love. That was where Charlie would have gone to find that nesting bird on the rock, but might have gotten caught in the surf and got killed.

This time, Dez told Charlie how he would die if he went to get the bird, and Dez himself went to get the bird for Claire. I consider him benevolent towards everyone, and not the kind of person you describe above.

OK, as I said before, we need near naken Bai Ling pictures!


Here's a few, they aren't very good, captured off ABC's streaming site:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/archie68/423340422

http://www.flickr.com/photos/archie68/423340343

You'd think I'd know how to post images by now.....

here's a slideshow link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/archie68/show/

I just remembered (or I think I do :p)... When Jack asks Ben's help for saving Juliet, what did Jack promise Ben? I think it was that Jack will take care of Ben's recovery. Wasn't it?

Hong.

But why would Desmond fire his gun to scare off the birds in the intial trapping scene (he obviously did it on purpose and wasn't really hunting a boar), but then would go get a bird later on? Maybe he's interested in Claire too and wanted to play the hero, he wanted to be the one to bring back a bird... but when Claire followed him, he was forced to tell her the truth about saving Charlie from death, so now she's back more attached to Charlie, and Desmond's plan backfired. That may lead to Desmond NOT saving Charlie in the future when he could, to get Charlie out of the picture. Who knows!My exact thought. I mean, what if Dez is playing them both? I personally have seen no evidence to support his claims of Charlie's demise. And what's so special about Charlie? Surely he's not the only Lostaway who's gonna die.

if Dez is playing them both, he wouldn't have told Claire of the sacrifice that Charlie is/was making in ~not~ helping her, and in not telling her why he couldn't.

I could believe if they showed a Desmond-flash, where we are allowed to see his vision of Claire screaming from the water. Or a flash of Charlie actually dying. For some reason I don't totally believe him; I think he's somehow setting up poor Charlie.

I think part of the key with the Jack appearance is who he was playing catch with. Zeke's been interacting with Jack and co more than any other "other" and seems like an ok guy. I don't think we've seen him directly hurt anyone and he even seemingly voluntarily struck up a conversation with Jack during the surgery. I think I even remember him rolling his eyes at things the others said or did for Jack to see.

Jack becoming friendly with "Mr. Friendly" wouldn't be so surprising to me. Seeing Jack playing and laughing with Ben would be.

I think part of the key with the Jack appearance is who he was playing catch with. Zeke's been interacting with Jack and co more than any other "other" and seems like an ok guy. I don't think we've seen him directly hurt anyone and he even seemingly voluntarily struck up a conversation with Jack during the surgery. I think I even remember him rolling his eyes at things the others said or did for Jack to see.

Jack becoming friendly with "Mr. Friendly" wouldn't be so surprising to me. Seeing Jack playing and laughing with Ben would be.

I agree completely.

My exact thought. I mean, what if Dez is playing them both? I personally have seen no evidence to support his claims of Charlie's demise. And what's so special about Charlie? Surely he's not the only Lostaway who's gonna die.

I tend to side with you here... I'm not sure of his motivation (I'd like to believe it's not underhanded in any way)... but the scene with Claire drowning has always been suspicious. Dez says he was saving Charlie, but Charlie would have never gone close to the water as they were too far away to hear Claire and would have just continued on their little trek...

OK, as I said before, we need near naken Bai Ling pictures!

I'm assuming (since you sound like an avid fan of hers) that you already know that she was in Playboy a couple of years ago, right?

I think now that we know his name is Tom, we can dispense with Zeke/Mr. Friendly terminology.

OK, as I said before, we need near naken Bai Ling pictures!

Here's what I got (I record Lost in HD every week)

http://cavalierlwt2.home.comcast.net/bl1.JPG
http://cavalierlwt2.home.comcast.net/bl2.JPG
http://cavalierlwt2.home.comcast.net/bl3.JPG
http://cavalierlwt2.home.comcast.net/bl4.JPG
http://cavalierlwt2.home.comcast.net/bl5.JPG
http://cavalierlwt2.home.comcast.net/bl6.JPG
http://cavalierlwt2.home.comcast.net/bl7.JPG

Yes, multiple underground passages shown on the barracks map:

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7615/map2nc5.jpg

They basically have a mini-subway system on the island (no, not the sandwich shop you smackers!)
Didn't we see the tunnel and tracks back when Kate and Claire found the abandoned medical center where Claire had been kidnapped?

They basically have a mini-subway system on the island (no, not the sandwich shop you smackers!)
Didn't we see the tunnel and tracks back when Kate and Claire found the abandoned medical center where Claire had been kidnapped?

Hmm, no I don't remember that... any pics?

From the blast door map, it would appear that normally the stations may have been connected via tunnels, but that they are now all blocked off like the concrete-filled door that was in the Swan. On the blast door map all the tunnels are marked with X's instead of connecting to each other.

Perhaps you're thinking of the Arrow station which was an underground kind of cave storage area thing?

I think it's called the Staff or Medical station, had the nursery etc. Kate and Claire found the locker with fake beard and theatrical glue.
I think I'm wrong about the subway, or tunnel. There was a door marked "Escape Hatch" but I guess they didn't open it. I don't know why I have some random memory of kate finding a tunnel and tracks behind the 'Escape Hatch' door, but I guess I'm wrong.
The episode was called 'Maternity Leave', it's in the second season. I'll try to find it but like I said, I think I'm imagining things. :)

Forget my subway post, I must be losing my mind. No subway, tunnel, or tracks in that episode. I have no idea where/how I got that impression.

Here's a few, they aren't very good, captured off ABC's streaming site:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/archie68/423340422

http://www.flickr.com/photos/archie68/423340343

You'd think I'd know how to post images by now.....

here's a slideshow link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/archie68/show/
She can be seen naked from the waste up in "Edmond", a film starring William H. Macy, the film itself is actually pretty good.

http://pro.imdb.com/title/tt0443496/
IMDb Pro : Edmond: Main Details

She can be seen naked from the waste up in "Edmond", a film starring William H. Macy, the film itself is actually pretty good.

http://pro.imdb.com/title/tt0443496/
IMDb Pro : Edmond: Main Details

Keenan's url gets you to the IMDB Pro page. You must be a pro user to see it. If you're not a Pro user try this one.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0443496/

As for the fence, was I the only one expecting a T-Rex to show up in the background? :D It all looked so very Jurassic Park.
Well, since that location was used in JP, it's not surprising you feel that way.

I'm also almost positive that entire setting was the same one that was used for the VW bug jump-start scene earlier this season, as well as the golf outing scenes of the first season. Less sure of the golf course one though.

I thought the same thing. I'm pretty sure you're right.

But who really gives a flying fig if he was in a wheelchair? Just another freaky mystery of the island...why kill someone to hide that?
Locke cares. He was in denial even when he was in the chair. He wants to be rid of that period of his life. The island allows him that.

what scene of JP qas the same locale as Lost?

what scene of JP qas the same locale as Lost?

Kualoa Ranch - 49560 Kamehameha Highway, Ka`a`awa, O`ahu, Hawaii, USA
(dinosaur stampede scene in Jurassic Park, and some scenes in Lost)

There were quite a few other JP scenes shot in Hawaii. See this page from IMDB:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107290/locations

what scene of JP qas the same locale as Lost?
The scene with the herd of running dinosaurs:

http://www.executiveranch.net/sas/jp.jpg

Keenan's url gets you to the IMDB Pro page. You must be a pro user to see it. If you're not a Pro user try this one.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0443496/Wow, I didn't realize she was the same girl that was in "The Red Corner" with Richard Gere. She was really good in that movie.


ron

I tend to side with you here... I'm not sure of his motivation (I'd like to believe it's not underhanded in any way)... but the scene with Claire drowning has always been suspicious. Dez says he was saving Charlie, but Charlie would have never gone close to the water as they were too far away to hear Claire and would have just continued on their little trek...

Heres the way I figure the original timeline went in desmond's premonition... in a nutshell...

Claire is swimming, Charlie is sitting in Sawyer's tent with Hurley, Charlie gets concerned after going home and starts looking for Claire, finally sees her floating in the ocean. He yells and goes in to save her, Charlie gets caught in the undertoe. Other people on the island see this go in to save them. They save Claire, Charlie dies. Hence Desmond's premonition is correct, Charlie is dead Claire is saved by somebody else.

Now in the actual timeline Desmond led Charlie and Hurley a mile off the beach on purpose to keep him away from the water, however this brings up a secondary problem. Since noone knows where Claire is and in the original timeline Charlie was the one who noticed. In the actual timeline no one ended up noticing that claire was face down in the water so Desmond gets a second premonition, this time that Claire dies so he has to run back and save her himself.

I could be wrong but I think all the facts seem to fit in that case... right?

Did you ever hear of images.google.com? You can even remove the word "near" from your request.
I think it is kind of obvious I am asking about shots from this episode, capped from the HD broadcast. Google has none. Tried it. Thankfully cavalierlwt posted some. :) Thanks! :cool: I'll check out Edmond. Bai Ling is a very accomplished actress, but her being Asian results in her being typewcast and not even considered for many top parts. Believe me, I know this for a fact. My experiences in this stupid business have opened my eyes, big-time.

By the way, all the speculation on Locke will end in a few days. Until then it is just that... Speculation.

I for one and very happy to get the juice on Locke. Finally!

Heres the way I figure the original timeline went in desmond's premonition... in a nutshell...

Claire is swimming, Charlie is sitting in Sawyer's tent with Hurley, Charlie gets concerned after going home and starts looking for Claire, finally sees her floating in the ocean. He yells and goes in to save her, Charlie gets caught in the undertoe. Other people on the island see this go in to save them. They save Claire, Charlie dies. Hence Desmond's premonition is correct, Charlie is dead Claire is saved by somebody else.

Now in the actual timeline Desmond led Charlie and Hurley a mile off the beach on purpose to keep him away from the water, however this brings up a secondary problem. Since noone knows where Claire is and in the original timeline Charlie was the one who noticed. In the actual timeline no one ended up noticing that claire was face down in the water so Desmond gets a second premonition, this time that Claire dies so he has to run back and save her himself.

I could be wrong but I think all the facts seem to fit in that case... right?


That's what I was thinking.

Heres the way I figure the original timeline went in desmond's premonition... in a nutshell...

Claire is swimming, Charlie is sitting in Sawyer's tent with Hurley, Charlie gets concerned after going home and starts looking for Claire, finally sees her floating in the ocean. He yells and goes in to save her, Charlie gets caught in the undertoe. Other people on the island see this go in to save them. They save Claire, Charlie dies. Hence Desmond's premonition is correct, Charlie is dead Claire is saved by somebody else.

Now in the actual timeline Desmond led Charlie and Hurley a mile off the beach on purpose to keep him away from the water, however this brings up a secondary problem. Since noone knows where Claire is and in the original timeline Charlie was the one who noticed. In the actual timeline no one ended up noticing that claire was face down in the water so Desmond gets a second premonition, this time that Claire dies so he has to run back and save her himself.

I could be wrong but I think all the facts seem to fit in that case... right?

Good points, I can buy that theory...

you know what, a lot of people said that the hiatus will hurt the show, I think it was done by design. It was done so it lures people to watch the show when nothing else is showing. These last two weeks having been nothing but re-runs.

Has it occurred to noone else that perhaps the "Jack and Tom football toss" is the first insight into a "parallel universe" that exists on the island? That was my first thought. It could explain the "list" and all the knowledge that the "others" seem to have about the losties...
I don't really know why I thought this, but to me it is more believable within the context of the show than having Jack become friendly with the others. I'm beginning to think that there is FAR more going on on this island than we have been allowed to see thus far. Just my $.02.

A couple of observations on the last ep:
First, now we can add Claire to the list of Losties who have either killed someone outright (Kate, Sawyer, Jin, Sayid), or by their actions indirectly caused somebody's death (Jack, Hurley, Sun). I used to think that was the only criteria for not "being on the list", but Eyepatch told us that more mundane shortcomings like anger and fear also "disqualify" you.

And to all those who thought Dr. Jack Shepard runs a pretty good "go" pattern and hauled that over-the-shoulder pass in nicely, well, he should. Matthew Fox played college football (as a reserve for a team that lost nearly every game, albeit). His position? Wide receiver.

I'm not really one to overanalyze, but the only thing I didn't like was the security perimiter. Obviously there is a way in/out or the others wouldn't be able to get to the other jail/cage island.

For the question of whether the "fence" keeps people out or in, I think it's to prevent visitors from coming in...

Coming in, going out, just shut it down while they enter/exit.


...Maybe it's a security perimter not so much for people but to keep smokie out, which would make more sense...in the intelligent-killer-black-cloud sense anyways.

Smokie would just float over and above it, no?


Kate needs to stop being so impetuous; she almost got herself killed heading for the fence. She's always doing stuff like that.

And are we to assume that no one on the inside was monitoring the security perimeter when "Patchy" bought it? :rolleyes:

But this thread, on the other hand, is no longer a "must visit after a show."(

And yet...here you are! :D

I was waiting for his head to explode a la Scanners (1981) (http://imdb.com/title/tt0081455/) :D

Still love that movie and it's concept. In the early days of VHS, I remember rewinding and playing that scene over and over and then again and again in slow motion.

And are we to assume that no one on the inside was monitoring the security perimeter when "Patchy" bought it?

The Other's have always tended to have security cameras all over the place. I refuse to believe this compound is an exception. So they are probably on TV as we speak.

- Tom

The Other's have always tended to have security cameras all over the place. I refuse to believe this compound is an exception. So they are probably on TV as we speak.

Maybe Tom (not you) was supposed to be monitoring it at the time...

I'm beginning to think that there is FAR more going on on this island than we have been allowed to see thus far. Just my $.02.

Beginning to? We're 2.5 years into a 5 year story arc and not much has been revealed although things are beginning to be.

Beginning to? We're 2.5 years into a 5 year story arc and not much has been revealed although things are beginning to be.

Not much has been revealed?

Patience, my friend !!

We know more about the characters since S1E1. We know more about the Others than we did since S1. We know more about what the extensive bunker structure on the island than we did ever before. We know now that Smokey could create illusions of people from the past (dead or alive now), and it wasn't merely people hitting the bong and conjuring up images in their minds. We now know that there is more than one "island" with different things going on on each. We know that Desmond might be time and dimension hopping.

Just because not enough dots have been connected thus far doesn't mean that new dots were not being brought forth to show the complex twists and turns we have to take to solve the puzzle.

Not much has been revealed?

Patience, my friend !!

We know more about the characters since S1E1. We know more about the Others than we did since S1. We know more about what the extensive bunker structure on the island than we did ever before. We know now that Smokey could create illusions of people from the past (dead or alive now), and it wasn't merely people hitting the bong and conjuring up images in their minds. We now know that there is more than one "island" with different things going on on each. We know that Desmond might be time and dimension hopping.

Just because not enough dots have been connected thus far doesn't mean that new dots were not being brought forth to show the complex twists and turns we have to take to solve the puzzle.

You misunderstood my tone. I'm not frustrated but the person I was responding to seemed so.

Maybe Tom (not you) was supposed to be monitoring it at the time...
I don't know, I think maybe Tom Barry WAS the guy that was supposed to be watching - but he was busy posting here, instead. Security work is pretty dull on an uncharted secret island...

I mean, look at that avatar Tom has. He looks like someone caught him by surprise taking that picture. He's definitely hiding something.... ;)

I don't know, I think maybe Tom Barry WAS the guy that was supposed to be watching - but he was busy posting here, instead. Security work is pretty dull on an uncharted secret island...

I mean, look at that avatar Tom has. He looks like someone caught him by surprise taking that picture. He's definitely hiding something.... ;)

The only Tom Barry I've ever seen on TV was the football coach killed off in a recent Veronica Mars episode.

Though I admit to having a suspicious looking photo. ;)

- Tom

The scene with the herd of running dinosaurs:

http://www.executiveranch.net/sas/jp.jpg

Neat, thanks!

Now I wonder if the shooting locale for Lost contributed to its popularity a bit. JP was a such a hugely popular movie (series), and Lost had/has such a supernatural/fantastical slant...I wonder if the locale and the appearance of the "monster" (which was never seen in the early going) made people think of the dinosuars in JP and the movie in general.

Of course, it's gone on to be much more than that...but I can't be the only one that sees these scenes and gets a warm-fuzzy feeling based on watching JP before.

Neat, thanks!

Now I wonder if the shooting locale for Lost contributed to its popularity a bit. JP was a such a hugely popular movie (series), and Lost had/has such a supernatural/fantastical slant...I wonder if the locale and the appearance of the "monster" (which was never seen in the early going) made people think of the dinosuars in JP and the movie in general.

Of course, it's gone on to be much more than that...but I can't be the only one that sees these scenes and gets a warm-fuzzy feeling based on watching JP before.
Almost certainly not. The beginning of the first season had no recognizable locations from the movie. The first time we saw the valley was when they sought out the transmitter beacon. The popularity came from the stories, deep characters and intriguing mysteries, something I'm glad they've gotten back to.

I remember the early buzz was that "the monster" was some type of dinosaur possibly, and the promotional ads showed more diverse scenery (like that used in JP), so it might have had some influence. I admit it probably isn't much though.

I remember the early buzz was that "the monster" was some type of dinosaur possibly, and the promotional ads showed more diverse scenery (like that used in JP), so it might have had some influence. I admit it probably isn't much though.
That buzz came from the first episode where there was a large noise made by the "creature" and it was yanking trees down left and right. The joke was that the producers accidently left "Land of the" off the beginning of the title.

Cool video for Locke fans...or people like me who wish they had this kind of talent:

Locke Photoshop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K_NQe57C-k)

Cool video for Locke fans...or people like me who wish they had this kind of talent:

Locke Photoshop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K_NQe57C-k)

Wow. Fun with Photoshop. I watched all three - Locke, Sawyer, and Kate, and it's interesting to see the different approaches by the different artists. I'm with you in wishing I had that kind of talent - and technical skill with this new age of artistic tools. :)

The Other's have always tended to have security cameras all over the place. I refuse to believe this compound is an exception. So they are probably on TV as we speak.

- Tom
Maybe when Locke blew up the communication station, it knocked out their surveillance.

Also, a poster mentioned a few pages back about Locke's agenda. Maybe he has become "infected" as Roussou(sp?) mentioned back in S1. This might explain his behavior.

No one here thinks that was a Jack clone playing football? Whatever happened to that theory..

The show is getting better, although there is still too much time spent on the backstories. I've had enough of everyone's loved "character development". Just get on with it

No one here thinks that was a Jack clone playing football? Whatever happened to that theory..

I, for one, doubt that theory at this point. There's something sinister afoot, but it's not Dolly the Sheep.

The show is getting better, although there is still too much time spent on the backstories. I've had enough of everyone's loved "character development". Just get on with it
Um, the premise of the show has ALWAYS been the backstories and character development. Did you watch the first two seasons? I don't think it's any coincidence that the weakest episodes had none of those traits.