Anagram time...

Ethan Rom

Another M

With this show, I suspect this was not an accident...

I watched Lost in Houston, TX (13-1). Are you in some other Houston? Great episode! Looking forward to next week!

Originally posted by Bill Shakespeare
Pilot rebroadcast?
I posted this question the other day. Thought I'd try again:

In this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/show...&postid=4727565) about Seinfeld, a poster wrote that the 2-hour pilot will be aired on December 19th.

Is that rumor or valid information? If you had bothered to follow the link (http://abcmedianet.com) that was posted there in response to your question, you would not have to ask it again. And it's December 15, not 19

Ethan Rom:

Mother An

More than

Moth near

Mean Thor

Horn Meat

Paul

When Claire was "walking" through the jungle in her "dream" and came across Locke....was he playing a game with black and white cards??? I was in the middle of dinner....and my 3 kids were blah-blahing and I missed what he was doing at the table....and what exactly his eyes looked like (black stones)???

Anyone ?!?!?

You forgot:
The Roman

Hopefully I'll come up with more

Things are really starting to move now. Those who complained about some of the earlier episodes being slow have to be happy now. I know I have to, but it will be hard to wait for next week--so much was left hanging at the end of this episode. From the previews, next week should be a great episode. One question, why did the psychic give Claire the $6,000
if there was no adoptive parents in LA (of course, we don't know that for
sure yet)?

Originally posted by Paul Bigelow
Ethan Rom:

Mother An

More than

Moth near

Mean Thor

Horn Meat

Paul

Was it ROM?

The TVTOME link states that tonight's episode was titled "Raised by ANOTHER"

Ethan is part of Another.....but not sure if I can carry it beyond that...:p

I hate what this show has done to my mind....:D

Originally posted by jaypb
When Claire was "walking" through the jungle in her "dream" and came across Locke....was he playing a game with black and white cards??? I was in the middle of dinner....and my 3 kids were blah-blahing and I missed what he was doing at the table....and what exactly his eyes looked like (black stones)???

Anyone ?!?!?

One eye was a white stone and the other a black stone.

It just keeps getting better and better, doesn't it :)

Originally posted by jaypb
Was it ROM?

The TVTOME link states that tonight's episode was titled "Raised by ANOTHER"

Ethan is part of Another.....but not sure if I can carry it beyond that...:p

I hate what this show has done to my mind....:D

At first when he just said his first name "Ethan", I thought it was just going to be an inside joke about the actor being Tom Cruise's cousin - the actor playing Ethan Rom is William Mapother (see http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0544611/ for his info and then do a lookup for just "Mapother" and you'll see Tom "Cruise" Mapother IV). I thought they were gonna go with "Ethan Hunt" :)

hold on! Mapother - E T H A P ROM! He just uses ETHAN as his first name!

Originally posted by highgrovemanor
Houston started lost, but is now showing some X-mas show???????
Judging from the time of your post, you tuned in an hour late. As usual, "Lost" runs a minute over. Then came Nick and Jessica.

Locke - The Shaman, uses tarot cards: One eye black, one white = ying and yang.

$6,000 to a girl who will die in a plane crash? Small price to pay to get rid of Damion.

Ethan Rom: One time companion of the French lady. Meat Horn?

So why does everyone start out being rude to what's his name that has all the looted booty?

First night I saw it in HD. Awesome. Unfortunately I have a big pine tree the is almost in the line of site between the antenna and the towers. Wind started to pick up and kept messing with the signal.

Originally posted by drossn
Anagram time...

Ethan Rom

Another M

With this show, I suspect this was not an accident...
This link (http://www.wordplays.com/fcgi-bin/anagrams.pl) is quicker, but beware, there are LOTS to cipher through!! :p

Originally posted by labmansid
This link (http://www.wordplays.com/fcgi-bin/anagrams.pl) is quicker, but beware, there are LOTS to cipher through!! :p

Cool link. I like the "Other Man" choice, seems to fit.

Of course the letters themselves could be an abbreviation for something.

Originally posted by tbb1226
If you had bothered to follow the link (http://abcmedianet.com) that was posted there in response to your question, you would not have to ask it again. And it's December 15, not 19

Lighten up. It's just a question.

I still do not see a response to my question in the Seinfeld thread. If it's there, I continue to miss it.

Following your thread to ABC's website, I don't see a specific mention of 12/15, nor do I see anything about the repeat episode on flollowing the links to "Lost."

is the preview for the following week's episode available anywhere online??

the buffoons at wkef lost the audio for the last 5 mins of the show and it still hasn't been restored

So what happened after Hurley said that one person wasn't on the manifest? Was it that Ethan guy? My DVR didn't record the last minute (switched over to record CSI:NY)

James

Originally posted by Iteki
So what happened after Hurley said that one person wasn't on the manifest? Was it that Ethan guy? My DVR didn't record the last minute (switched over to record CSI:NY)

James Ethan showed up on the trail as Claire and Charlie were heading back to the caves - without Jack with him.

Originally posted by fhall1
Judging from this week's commercial, Sayid returns to the fold this week...so much for the theory he was going to be gone for a while. Now...does he keep the fact that he met another person a secret, as per every other thing people have seen in prior episodes...or does he tell folks about her right away? Well, Locke seemed pretty interested in what he had to say.

Originally posted by Iteki
So what happened after Hurley said that one person wasn't on the manifest? Was it that Ethan guy? My DVR didn't record the last minute (switched over to record CSI:NY)

James
They cut away after Hurley said one was not on the manifest without revealing the name....Oh, the suspense!! They then showed the Ethan guy staring at Charlie and Claire in the jungle, implying it was him, but we can't be certain. That's how it ended, with Charlie and Claire looking alarmed that Ethan hadn't gone for Jack.

I haven't read back very many pages so don't flame me if this has been brought up many times before, but why doesn't anyone fear the "people eater" whatever it was that ate the pilot in the beginning of the show?

They all walk the island now as if that event never took place, and i for one would never leave my son alone for a minute after something like that, let alone be caught walking alone as they all do at will now.

Ethan Rom could have been on the plane, only under a different name (hence, Other Man), so it would appear he (under his real name) had not survived for some reason. Danielle never mentioned someone named Ethan, only Robert and Alex, and it appears she has been alone on the island for some time, so he may not necessarily have been on the island before the crash. But then what is he up to with Claire??

I would think that Ethan is one of the "Others" that the french woman was taking about. I would also think that the Others "wants" Clairs baby to raise as a means to let what ever evil that controls them to finally get of the Island. The psychic seemed the baby could turn out to be a Damian. I would think that his vision was so terrible that he figured better to just kill Clair & the baby in the plane crash insted. I just don't think he saw that it was the crash & Island that would end up being the cause.

Why does KOMO4 Seattle continue to screw up "Lost" nearly every week! Tonight after the commercial break at about 8:40pm they failed to switch back to HDTV ... they did not switch back to HDTV until 2 minutes to 9! Drives me crazy!

KWGH 7 did that here in Denver right before the last segment.:mad:

Regarding the switch to 4x3 in Seattle. I noticed that for the first 39 minutes of the show, the sound was out of sync. It also sounded like the dialogue was not clearly focused in the center channel. At about 39 minutes, the picture changed to 4x3 and the sound was perfectly synched. My receiver still showed DD 5.1 but I couldn't tell if it truly was. At 58 minutes, the picture switched back to 16x9. The sound became slightly out of sync but not as bad as before. My guess is that someone at KOMO was trying to fix the sound. They've worked on it before.

Lost is really starting to annoy me. Take the scene at the start of this episode where Claire woke up screeching continuously, and Charlie the hobbit, to calm her down, ineffectually whispered "Hey" and "Wait" at her over and over again. Both Claire and Charlie went on at this exchange of screeches and grunts for far too long, as if the show was too short and needed to be padded out with the most irritating kind of sub-human dialogue that could be imagined.

In her nightmare, Locke drew a card from his stock of cards on the table, and the sound the card made was that of a sword being drawn from a metal sheath. When Claire has her next nightmare, she dreams she's waking up to find a hand covering her mouth and a fancy, wide serrated blade — probably one of Locke's knives — threatening her while it makes exactly that same Hong Kong sword sound (in mid-air, even!). So what does she tell the others when she wakes up and after she stops screeching? "He was trying to hurt my baby! He had this thing like a needle, and he stabbed me with it!" WTF?

I think Lost's writing is kindergarten-ish (if indeed it is writing; some of this crud must be ad-libbed).

For those watching on KOMO4 in Seattle, did anyone else get an audio glitch at about the 23:00 minute mark in the program? I had an audible stutter followed by a couple seconds of silence coming soon after a commercial break before they made the HD-SD-HD roundtrip. Did anyone else see this?

Originally posted by Syzygy
Lost is really starting to annoy me.

I think Lost's writing is kindergarten-ish (if indeed it is writing; some of this crud must be ad-libbed).

Don't watch it..:)

Why can't Ethan be Alex?

Why can't the psychic have actually foreseen the plane crash and the island and actually known she'd survive?

And, really, why can't the writing be better.

Claire would've said something to Charlie like, "[Jack] thinks I'm crazy." Not, "He thinks I'm making it up."

Sorry, but Jack never get the slightest impression he thought Claire was faking. And she knew that. Charlie used the same illogical construction when he got indignant with Jack. And then, finally, Claire says to Charlie, "I'm not crazy."

That's fine, Claire, but a minute ago the issue was your veracity not your sanity.

I found that whole scene unbearable.

I really love the show, but it does need a grownup to polish the scripts.

Still thinking about the episode title: "Raised by Another". The psychic seemed determined that Claire's baby be raised only by her because it needed her good influence. Getting her on a specific flight that he knew would end up with her on a secluded island would certainly provide for that.

Sayid's "we are not alone" statement could also refer to possibly Ethan and/or the "voices". Maybe Ethan was raised by another?

Danielle seemed determined that whatever evil is on the island must not be allowed to leave the island. So...wild guess: Claire's baby is the antichrist as other's have suggested. The black and white references are the classic images of good versus evil. Danielle is really Delenn and has realized that the Vorlons and Shadows are at it again (sorry---couldn't resist).

I still really like this show. But I'm increasingly convinced that most of the previews and teasers are purposeful falsehoods and the next week they will head off in some brand new direction, with little regard for consistancy.

It has led me to stop predicting and just watch it, in a state of befuddled entertainment. ;)

- Tom

WJRT (Flint, MI) also did an HD-SD-HD round trip late in the show. HD picture froze and audio went to 2.0, SD picture for about 1 minute, then back to HD and 5.1 for that last couple minutes of the show. Maybe network was having an issue?

Also, from my experience (ahem), women (especially ones who's body is throwing hormones around left and right) tend to over-react and read things into situations that aren't there. They don't always make sense under pressure. I didn't find anything out of the realm of possibility with the whole Claire/Jack/Charlie exchanges.

Originally posted by rogo
Why can't Ethan be Alex?

Why can't the psychic have actually foreseen the plane crash and the island and actually known she'd survive?

And, really, why can't the writing be better.

Claire would've said something to Charlie like, "[Jack] thinks I'm crazy." Not, "He thinks I'm making it up."

Sorry, but Jack never get the slightest impression he thought Claire was faking. And she knew that. Charlie used the same illogical construction when he got indignant with Jack. And then, finally, Claire says to Charlie, "I'm not crazy."

That's fine, Claire, but a minute ago the issue was your veracity not your sanity.

I found that whole scene unbearable.

I really love the show, but it does need a grownup to polish the scripts.

Since when does reason kick in with people under extreme circumstances? Add the fact that she's a woman (I love women, but logic/reason aren't always their first reaction)...then add pregnancy and hormones into the mix, and voila! Extreme irrationality. Not too far of a leap in my opinion.

Originally posted by Iteki
Since when does reason kick in with people under extreme circumstances? Add the fact that she's a woman (I love women, but logic/reason aren't always their first reaction)...then add pregnancy and hormones into the mix, and voila! Extreme irrationality. Not too far of a leap in my opinion.

Exactly. I found Clair's reactions believable just from being pregnant, let alone all the stress of what has and is happening to them. Expecting someone in her condition and predicament to act rationally is irrational!

Originally posted by tbb1226
If you had bothered to follow the link (http://abcmedianet.com) that was posted there in response to your question, you would not have to ask it again. And it's December 15, not 19

The link gives no such information. Take yourself and your attitude somewhere else.

Originally posted by rogo
And, really, why can't the writing be better.

Claire would've said something to Charlie like, "[Jack] thinks I'm crazy." Not, "He thinks I'm making it up."

Sorry, but Jack never get the slightest impression he thought Claire was faking. And she knew that. Charlie used the same illogical construction when he got indignant with Jack. And then, finally, Claire says to Charlie, "I'm not crazy."

That's fine, Claire, but a minute ago the issue was your veracity not your sanity.

I found that whole scene unbearable.

I really love the show, but it does need a grownup to polish the scripts.

I've known people, not just women, that put words into other peoples mouths when it comes to a disagreement. So the fact that Claire "spun" Jack's reasoning for her behavior into "she must be making it up" is very believable.

Originally posted by nuzzy
hold on! Mapother - E T H A P ROM! He just uses ETHAN as his first name!

Wow! i thought more people would like my theory :(

Originally posted by jszafran
The link gives no such information. Take yourself and your attitude somewhere else.

I clicked on the link, entered "lost" in the search field at the top of the screen, and this is the first thing that came up.

6 Press Release assets found (http://abcmedianet.com/cgi-bin/sitesearch2.cgi?searchparam=lost&sel_srch=pr)

Took about 5 seconds.

Possible spoiler, so:

A question....
Have we seen characters named Dr. Shephard and/or Andrea yet? They're listed in the description of next week's show...

Originally posted by GenoV
Possible spoiler, so:

A question....
Have we seen characters named Dr. Shephard and/or Andrea yet? They're listed in the description of next week's show...

Don't know about Andrea but I think Jack is Dr. Shephard

Originally posted by dmbatch
Don't know about Andrea but I think Jack is Dr. Shephard

Now that you mention that, I think Jack has some more memories of Dad next episode, so that's probably Dr. Shephard. Still trying to recall an Andrea....

Originally posted by dmbatch
I clicked on the link, entered "lost" in the search field at the top of the screen, and this is the first thing that came up.

6 Press Release assets found (http://abcmedianet.com/cgi-bin/sitesearch2.cgi?searchparam=lost&sel_srch=pr)

Took about 5 seconds.

None of the six episode descriptions relate to my original question about whether the pilot episodes will be aired on December 19th (should have typed 15th).

Does anyone know yet whether there will be a broadcast on 12/15 of the first two hours?

TitanTV (I know how sketchy their accuracy is) has it down as being a repeat of the pilot episode, 12/15 8-10 PM EST.

So the baby is the devil/antichrist/bad.... sounds like we might have a guest appearance by Scully to offer Claire some advice on how to protect her baby :)

The baby will be adopted by Lionel Luthor who will grow up to be President and start a nuclear war... oh wait, I'm getting my Wednesday 8PM shows mixed up again. :confused:

Originally posted by Bill Shakespeare
None of the six episode descriptions relate to my original question about whether the pilot episodes will be aired on December 19th (should have typed 15th).

Does anyone know yet whether there will be a broadcast on 12/15 of the first two hours? Dude. Read the frickin' press releases (http://abcmedianet.com/press_display/press_disp.html?seas_id=001648&css=drama.css&dir=/shows03/primetime/lost/) you were just directed to! Since you don't seem to have access to the rest of the internet, I'll quote it for you (from the November 24 press release):
Out of the blackness, the first thing Jack (Matthew Fox, "Party of Five") senses is pain. Then burning sun. A Bamboo forest. Smoke. Screams. With a rush comes the horrible awareness that the plane he was on tore apart in mid-air and crashed on a Pacific island. From there it's a blur, as his doctor's instinct kicks in: people need his help, on a special two-hour broadcast of "Lost," WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 15 (8:00-10:00 p.m., ET), on the ABC Television Network (Rebroadcast. OAD: 9/22&29/04).

Originally posted by SD4934
One question, why did the psychic give Claire the $6,000
if there was no adoptive parents in LA (of course, we don't know that for
sure yet)?

To make it believable as to why he wanted her on that plane. He knew the plane was going to crash. My question is, did he know she would survive?

Originally posted by Paul Bigelow
Ethan Rom:

Mother An

More than

Moth near

Mean Thor

Horn Meat

Paul
Where do you get Paul out of Ethan Rom?;)

Originally posted by efeatherston
Exactly. I found Clair's reactions believable just from being pregnant, let alone all the stress of what has and is happening to them. Expecting someone in her condition and predicament to act rationally is irrational!

I agree. While it was annoying that she concluded that people thought she was faking instead of just dreaming, her erroneous conclusion and irrational behavior were plausible under the circumstances.

However, I did find it more annoying that the Hobbit made the same conclusion.

As far as the quailty of writing is concerned in connection with Claire/Jack/Charlie; the issue I have isn't with what Claire said. I have lived through my wife's pregnancy and I'm a witness to what hormones can do. My issue was that during the exchange between Jack and Claire, all he needed to say was, "I don't think you're making this up, you were dreaming, just like you were last night." Instead he went off in a bunch of other directions, which disrupted my suspension of disbelief. That's bad writing because it was just stupid. And the topper was, Jack and Claire are walking toward the beach after this extremely stressful situation, she's 8 1/2 months pregnant, she stops, puts her hand on her stomach and moans. Charlie then spends the next 30 seconds in bewilderment asking her, "What? What is it? What's wrong?" Oh, she probably had a bad taco for lunch Charlie, no reason for you to think that she's gone into labor!

Nonetheless, can't wait for next week's show. :p

OK, you can get both "Mother" and "Another", and of course "Other" out of Ethan Rom.

The episode was entitled "Raised by Another", correct?

My first thought is that Rom is taking Claire to the "Others" in order for the Others to take and raise the baby.

However, the psychic confuses things since he was so set on her raising the baby, yet he's now caused her to be in a position where that might not be possible.
As mentioned already, the big question seems to be whether the pyschic foresaw this and things are going as he planned - or not.

Hmmmmm. Hmmmm. Hmmmmm.

What was the original (supposedly erroneous) name that Hurley called Ethan? The one Ethan said was "definitely not" his name?

Just wondered if there was something to that or if it was an honest case of mistaken identity.

Hurley called him Lance.

Lance?

Wasn't it "Dennis"?

Originally posted by Rufhausen
I agree. While it was annoying that she concluded that people thought she was faking instead of just dreaming, her erroneous conclusion and irrational behavior were plausible under the circumstances.

However, I did find it more annoying that the Hobbit made the same conclusion.

Hey, he's in love, he'll say anything to get her to like him!

No, Hurley called him Lance and the guy corrected him and said his name was Ethan Rom - from Ontario. I went back to last week's episode to make sure that it wasn't the child of that French (or French Canadian perhaps?) woman. She said her son's name was Alex, and her last name was Roussou.

That ending freaked me out. This show is getting so good.

Originally posted by trbarry
I still really like this show. But I'm increasingly convinced that most of the previews and teasers are purposeful falsehoods and the next week they will head off in some brand new direction, with little regard for consistancy.

It has led me to stop predicting and just watch it, in a state of befuddled entertainment. ;)

- Tom I'm with you Tom. I think it's easy to forget it's just a TV show. And a brand new one that was basically thrown together on short notice. Many shows take a season or two to really get into a groove. Yes, Claire's screeching and Charlies reassurances went on too long. Yes, their was a bit of disconnect with the logic/reasoning in some of the dialog. And yes, everyone seems to have forgotten the "monster" in the jungle and wild boars when walking around with careless abandon. Not to mention they never seem to see the fences everywhere ;). It's not perfect and it probably never will be. With a show like this with all kinds of different twists, turns and multiple things going on all at the same time it's the risk the producers take that not everything will make perfect sense and jibe seamlessly. There's going to be more than a few dead ends along the way I'm afraid. I think it's best to take it for what it is and go with the flow. Some things it doesn't do all that well. But the things it does do well, it does really well. Right at pretty much every commercial break in the 2nd half hour last night I was going, "Whoa, yeah!" with a big grin on my face :). It's all about mystery, tension, suspense and intrigue to me. Maybe they'll polish up some of the "dirty little details" next season when they have a little more time to really get into it.

ron

Hurley: "I was in Canada. They've got really great...."

Should I be embarrassed that I know exactly what he meant?

Originally posted by Regnad
Hurley: "I was in Canada. They've got really great...."

Should I be embarrassed that I know exactly what he meant? Gentlemen's Clubs (so I have been told) ;)

I think the psychic knew the plane was going to crash but not from reading Claire. He seemed to come up with his plan way after the second reading. Since he was located where the plane originated he could have read any one of the other passengers.

I think he thought she and the baby would die. He probably saw something really bad in the baby's future and thought the crash would stop it, not cause it to happen.

This show just keeps getting better. Is anyone else annoyed at the shaky camera scenes? Way too much of it in the beginning of last night's episode. There's no need for that. What is the theory of why that is done?

Originally posted by UUronl
No, Hurley called him Lance and the guy corrected him and said his name was Ethan Rom - from Ontario. I went back to last week's episode to make sure that it wasn't the child of that French (or French Canadian perhaps?) woman. She said her son's name was Alex, and her last name was Roussou.

That ending freaked me out. This show is getting so good.

It may turn out to be a son, but she never said "son." She said that Alex was her "child." The ambiguity was obvious.

I took the use of that word as a deficiency in her English, so perhaps it was not so obvious, but I see where you're going with it.

Originally posted by labmansid
They cut away after Hurley said one was not on the manifest without revealing the name....Oh, the suspense!! They then showed the Ethan guy staring at Charlie and Claire in the jungle, implying it was him, but we can't be certain. That's how it ended, with Charlie and Claire looking alarmed that Ethan hadn't gone for Jack.

Yeah, they infer that it's 'Ethan' but the first thing that came to my mind was Sawyer, since we've determined that his real name isn't Sawyer...

Let's talk about Hurley for a minute. What was his full name? His first name is Hugo but I can't remember his last name. He also mentioned that Hurley is just a nickname, but he didn't want to explain it. Any guesses on why that is his nickname?

I also really liked his quote after Claire was "attacked". He was talking about looking for the attacker with blank and blank, and then saying that he had no idea who blank and blank were. :D

I applaud ABC for casting a character like him in a major series. I bet more people in the audience relate to him more than anyone else in the cast. ;)

I don't know, there were other cues during the episode that would seem to suggest it was Ethan. Remember how he was shaking the tree and putting fruit in the baskets he had made? Awfully advanced behavior if you ask me for someone who hasn't been on the island very long, and he made it look very second-nature.

He also was unable to make any comments about Canada when Hurley hit a sticking point in their conversation. It was like he knew he was from Ontario, as if someone had told him that was where he was from, but he knew nothing else.


Edit - Hugo Reyez

Originally posted by tbb1226
Dude. Read the frickin' press releases (http://abcmedianet.com/press_display/press_disp.html?seas_id=001648&css=drama.css&dir=/shows03/primetime/lost/) you were just directed to! Since you don't seem to have access to the rest of the internet, I'll quote it for you (from the November 24 press release):

My apologies for causing so much stress to tbb 1226 (that might actually be his photo in a relaxed moment in the thumbnail). I looked to the 11/24 date, and thinking it an episode date, rather than a press release date, failed to find the information to which I had so kindly been directed.

Originally posted by snowcat
Let's talk about Hurley for a minute. What was his full name? His first name is Hugo but I can't remember his last name. He also mentioned that Hurley is just a nickname, but he didn't want to explain it. Any guesses on why that is his nickname?

I also really liked his quote after Claire was "attacked". He was talking about looking for the attacker with blank and blank, and then saying that he had no idea who blank and blank were. :D

I applaud ABC for casting a character like him in a major series. I bet more people in the audience relate to him more than anyone else in the cast. ;)
I didn't pay real close attention to it and I've already deleted it, but I thought he said Hugo Reyes.

Hurley/Hugo's last name was something Hispanic. Can't remember exactly what, though.

Edit--see above posts....Reyes sounds right.

It's interesting that people who complain about the "writing" of Lost state that certain behaviors are not realistic.

But behaviors vary greatly from person to person, culture to culture, experience to experience. For some, the way Claire reacted was, indeed, VERY realistic considering her state of mind and body because they have seen people act that way in similar situations. For others, however, their experience dictates that it was an unrealistic reaction. Both may be right, based upon their culture and experiences.

For some to say that the "writing" is bad just because a character didn't act exactly how they would have acted, is being rather narrow minded. We have seen from this forum that MANY people believe the reactions to be VERY realistic based upon their experiences.

Not everybody will respond or react in a way that follows you. Other people will react differently. I'm sure the writers (and their committee) review thoroughly the character personalities and review the dialogue. They deemed it realistic based up their own experiences.

I think it's funny how people declare it's "bad writing" when a character doesn't react how they would. LOL

Speaking of realistic while we're on the subject of Hurley... They made an attempt to explain why he's not visibly losing weight, but really - he should be thinner by now. Anyone who has seen a season of Survivor should know that. It doesn't detract, but I remember wondering if they were making him try to lose weight during filming.

Originally posted by dmbatch
I clicked on the link, entered "lost" in the search field at the top of the screen, and this is the first thing that came up.

6 Press Release assets found (http://abcmedianet.com/cgi-bin/sitesearch2.cgi?searchparam=lost&sel_srch=pr)

Took about 5 seconds.

You posted the correct link. The other link was incorrect. You might as well post this: www.google.com and then complain when someone can't enter in the right search term.

Don't know if you'd visibly notice in 1 week (I remember that being mentioned as about how long they've been there last night), but I hope they do make an effort to reflect this.

It has only been about 3 weeks (10 eps * 48 hrs = ~20 days) and they did have airplane food for awhile. Plus I think Hurley had a stash of candy and stuff. He did mention he is down a notch on his belt. But I do wonder how they will resolve this fat thing if he is going to continue as a character beyond this season. Maybe he has a crush on Elizabeth Hurley or he "hurled" once in college and the Hurley moniker stuck.

Originally posted by Bill Shakespeare
My apologies for causing so much stress to tbb 1226 (that might actually be his photo in a relaxed moment in the thumbnail). I looked to the 11/24 date, and thinking it an episode date, rather than a press release date, failed to find the information to which I had so kindly been directed.

You don't owe anyone an apology. Based on his attitude here, I think tbb 1226's photo may be overcompensating for something else...

Originally posted by UUronl
Speaking of realistic while we're on the subject of Hurley... They made an attempt to explain why he's not visibly losing weight, but really - he should be thinner by now. Anyone who has seen a season of Survivor should know that. It doesn't detract, but I remember wondering if they were making him try to lose weight during filming. Ask him over at http://www.thefuselage.com/ and let us know. He hasn't chimed in on the discussion so far as I can tell.

Xesdeeni

So lets say there's foul play as the previews indicate.

How likely is it that some random assemblage of people will take it upon themselves to try to attempt a police or military action to get Claire and Charlie back?

This isn't the Wild West where people join the posse. The modern behavior would be to withdraw and "try not to get involved" and try to protect themselves, not confront malevolent people who've demonstrated they will harm others.

But apparently, the doctor and Kate, all 100 pounds of her, will probably go after Ethan and the others.

This isn't the Wild West where people join the posse. The modern behavior would be to withdraw and "try not to get involved" and try to protect themselves, not confront malevolent people who've demonstrated they will harm others.I hope you are wrong. I hope the "don't get involved" attitude we see today is based on the existence of the police, plus the ability to hide in our modern diversions. But I'd like to think that on that island, with the realities of relying on each other, and with ample time to contemplate the situation, many people would in fact form a "posse" and take care of business.

Xesdeeni

Originally posted by R11
I'm with you Tom. I think it's easy to forget it's just a TV show. And a brand new one that was basically thrown together on short notice. Many shows take a season or two to really get into a groove. Yes, Claire's screeching and Charlies reassurances went on too long. Yes, their was a bit of disconnect with the logic/reasoning in some of the dialog. And yes, everyone seems to have forgotten the "monster" in the jungle and wild boars when walking around with careless abandon. Not to mention they never seem to see the fences everywhere ;). It's not perfect and it probably never will be. With a show like this with all kinds of different twists, turns and multiple things going on all at the same time it's the risk the producers take that not everything will make perfect sense and jibe seamlessly. There's going to be more than a few dead ends along the way I'm afraid. I think it's best to take it for what it is and go with the flow. Some things it doesn't do all that well. But the things it does do well, it does really well. Right at pretty much every commercial break in the 2nd half hour last night I was going, "Whoa, yeah!" with a big grin on my face :). It's all about mystery, tension, suspense and intrigue to me. Maybe they'll polish up some of the "dirty little details" next season when they have a little more time to really get into it.

ron

I'm enjoying the show for the thrill ride that it is, but I'm afraid these annoying touches aren't 1st season hiccups, but the usual TV/movie contrivance. I don't know why smart writers who can come up with entertaining plots still insist on having people do and say dumb things in order to prolong/ratchet up tension. I had the same problem with 24 and lost interest in it. Somehow, I find it easier to forgive Lost for the same thing, since the situation/characters are more appealing and the show is kinda scifi/fantasy anyway. Plus there was nobody on 24 as hot as E Lilly :)

Originally posted by dmbatch
I think the psychic knew the plane was going to crash but not from reading Claire. He seemed to come up with his plan way after the second reading. Since he was located where the plane originated he could have read any one of the other passengers.

I think he thought she and the baby would die. He probably saw something really bad in the baby's future and thought the crash would stop it, not cause it to happen.

i was thinking along the same lines, and was wondering if maybe this "demon baby" is the only reason anyone survived the crash. i always thought it was amazing for 1 person to survive a plane crash, let alone the 40 something that did. maybe this child's fate wouldn't let it be killed, so part of the plane had to land safely, hence the way the plane split up in the air, and all those people in the section of the plane the baby was in survived.

It seems the weekly episode is focused on a single (or two related) character and their personal daemon(s) which affect how each deals with the events that transpire on the Lost Island? last night it was Claire's turn. If this is the trend... the only characters left to profile are father & son (Michael/Walt), brother & sister (Boone/Shannon) and Hurley... probably during the next three episodes. After this, I wonder how the story turns?

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
I hope you are wrong. I hope the "don't get involved" attitude we see today is based on the existence of the police, plus the ability to hide in our modern diversions. But I'd like to think that on that island, with the realities of relying on each other, and with ample time to contemplate the situation, many people would in fact form a "posse" and take care of business.

Xesdeeni

It's perfectly believable if the survivors did nothing, figuring they'd be rescued and they could alert the authorities that there were a couple of other survivors but they got abducted.

And if they don't get rescued, it's kinda moot if they got abducted in a way because realistically, there long-term prospects wouldn't be that great.

I don't think Lost is going to become the remake of the Omen.

So these supernatural musings about the baby being the antichrist seems really off.

They have another 30 characters they can introduce and provide backstory on. Abrams said this in an interview they purposely left a lot of survivors so they could introduce several new characters as the show progressed.

Right. Claire insists that she's not crazy, but she did hop on a plane 8 months pregnant based on the urging of a 'psychic'. I think her bad dreams are incredibly sane in comparison.

In any event, what do you suppose happend to Sayid - he looked to be in pretty bad shape, and I'm wondering if he's going to make it?

Originally posted by dbernhard
In any event, what do you suppose happend to Sayid - he looked to be in pretty bad shape, and I'm wondering if he's going to make it?
Didn't he get stabbed in the leg by something when he got snared in that trap?

Originally posted by dbernhard


In any event, what do you suppose happend to Sayid - he looked to be in pretty bad shape, and I'm wondering if he's going to make it?

Oh....he's going to make it. Believe me.

Originally posted by barth2k
I'm enjoying the show for the thrill ride that it is, but I'm afraid these annoying touches aren't 1st season hiccups, but the usual TV/movie contrivance. I don't know why smart writers who can come up with entertaining plots still insist on having people do and say dumb things in order to prolong/ratchet up tension. I had the same problem with 24 and lost interest in it. Somehow, I find it easier to forgive Lost for the same thing, since the situation/characters are more appealing and the show is kinda scifi/fantasy anyway. Plus there was nobody on 24 as hot as E Lilly :)

I beg to differ...Elisha Cuthbert is just as hot!

Originally posted by GenoV
Didn't he get stabbed in the leg by something when he got snared in that trap?

Granted its been a few weeks since the episode with Sayid, but I remember he heard the voices, then he got caught in the trap and somethng stuck in his leg. But do we know how he got out of the predicament?

If I recall correctly:

He got caught in the trap at the beginning of the episode and got stabbed in the leg by a stick or branch or something like that. Rousseau cut him down from the trap.

At the end of the episode we just observed him hearing the voices in the woods and then the episode ended. No trap.

Originally posted by fhall1
I beg to differ...Elisha Cuthbert is just as hot! Especially when Elisha was running ;)

Originally posted by Crazy MB
Granted its been a few weeks since the episode with Sayid, but I remember he heard the voices, then he got caught in the trap and somethng stuck in his leg. But do we know how he got out of the predicament? Someone (I'm assuming Danielle) cut him down (he was knocked out when he hit the ground), then he woke up in her lair.

Originally posted by HiDef Bob
Why does KOMO4 Seattle continue to screw up "Lost" nearly every week! Tonight after the commercial break at about 8:40pm they failed to switch back to HDTV ... they did not switch back to HDTV until 2 minutes to 9! Drives me crazy!

This may be a naive question, but is someone manually switching between HD (16:9) & SD (4:3) during these broadcasts? The local affiliate in Dallas came back from one of the last commercial breaks in 4:3 for a couple minutes.

In the 8:00 hour, the NBC affiliate had no audio on their HD channel for West Wing...though the SD channel was fine.

It might knock my awe of HD down a peg or two to think some guy is flipping a switch with a Dorito-covered finger to make things happen. :(

Originally posted by Bill Shakespeare
My apologies for causing so much stress to tbb 1226 (that might actually be his photo in a relaxed moment in the thumbnail). I looked to the 11/24 date, and thinking it an episode date, rather than a press release date, failed to find the information to which I had so kindly been directed. I know it was sarcastic, but no apology is necessary. I don't feel stress of any kind from this forum. I do think that, too often, people disrespect others by asking questions and then ignoring the responses people make the effort to provide.

I wasn't the original respondent to your question, but it was a question I would have asked, so when I read the reply, I went to the abcmedianet site, and two clicks later, I had the answer. Your insistence that nobody ever replied to your question was, in my judgment, a slight to whoever it was that did answer, so I responded in kind. Then, when you again insisted the information wasn't there, I felt disrespected (not stressed ;)) myself. Sure, it wasn't a direct link, but it was close enough for most people who know how to use a web browser.

Let me apologize for being more abrasive than I needed to be, and now that that's behind us, I'm off to Ontario, for - well, you know :D

Originally posted by tbb1226
...and now that that's behind us, I'm off to Ontario, for - well, you know :D Crepes?

Originally posted by vmark
If I recall correctly:

He got caught in the trap at the beginning of the episode and got stabbed in the leg by a stick or branch or something like that. Rousseau cut him down from the trap.

At the end of the episode we just observed him hearing the voices in the woods and then the episode ended. No trap.

Oh, right.
Thanks

Seems like everyone had some sort of glitch in the 2nd half of the show last night. Perhaps that nasty storm was causing a little uplink issue? (It does come out of New York, no?)

Originally posted by htevolution
This may be a naive question, but is someone manually switching between HD (16:9) & SD (4:3) during these broadcasts? The local affiliate in Dallas came back from one of the last commercial breaks in 4:3 for a couple minutes.


Yes, it's possible, KGO-ABC in SF does this also, they are building an automated system currently.


It might knock my awe of HD down a peg or two to think some guy is flipping a switch with a Dorito-covered finger to make things happen. :(

Be happy at least that the person is there doing it, we've had instances out here where nobody has "flipped the switch" resulting in SD.

Still loving the show. For some reason, I am finding myself fascinated with Locke still (always liked him on Millennium). Don't forget he is the one that introduced Ethan, Ethan was helping him hunt rodents. Now this week he seems to be the chairman of the board of the others/island influence, sitting at the table with black and white eyes. I was actually surprised they got that heavy handed that quickly. Then later his keen interest in what Sayid had to say when he returned. I think he is the one that as Danielle told Sayid, should be watched closely, very closely!!
I was thinking during the part that the psychic talked Claire into getting on the plane, he foresaw the plane crashing and saw it as a way to kill the demon offspring. Not until later did I start thinking about he could have actually been trying to get the demon offspring hooked up with the Others. But whatever he originally saw at the first session, it seemed to scare the crap out of him.
I think I'm getting into this one too much!

Oh, nobody is going to say Claire looked fricken HOT in the flashback scenes and when she was wandering around at night in the dream sequence?

Also, going a week back, during the golfing scene, there was a kind of hispanic lookin' chick in the non-introduced crowd in the background that looks like she's worthy of being "introduced" soon!! I even said to my wife "now why don't they do a back story on her" to elicit a little cold stare!!

Originally posted by GenoV
Seems like everyone had some sort of glitch in the 2nd half of the show last night. Perhaps that nasty storm was causing a little uplink issue? (It does come out of New York, no?)

No problems in Houston.

Originally posted by tall1
It has only been about 3 weeks (10 eps * 48 hrs = ~20 days) and they did have airplane food for awhile. Plus I think Hurley had a stash of candy and stuff. He did mention he is down a notch on his belt. But I do wonder how they will resolve this fat thing if he is going to continue as a character beyond this season. Maybe he has a crush on Elizabeth Hurley or he "hurled" once in college and the Hurley moniker stuck.

Well, I guess he didn't hurl enough b/c he is still wieght challenged! ;) I like Lost but there is no direction in the writing. When the show first started there was this monster, now everyone walks thru the jungle not even worrying about being attacked by a monster or boar. One show they're playing golf and now no one mentions the golf course. What about the annoying boy and the relationship with his father. How about laying more groundwork for the relationship between the doctor and "tall and beautiful". When I was watching this show last night before the last 30 minutes I was thinking that if the show doesn't evolve more people will be put off by it. How long does it take to get the action and character development going. C'mon Lost writers help the viewers. The novelty is beginning to wear off for me as I'm sure it is for others.

Cuthbert and Lilly are both canucks.

It must be the beer. ;)

Although neither look like they've been drinking a lot of beer.

Originally posted by AFH
The novelty is beginning to wear off for me as I'm sure it is for others.

I am still loving the show, partly because of this forum and all of the theories that are generated here. I think it makes me watch the show more keenly to pick up on these things. My wife on the otherhand is starting to feel like AFH. She still likes it, but thinks they need to answer some questions.

re Hurley's weight:

I'm not so sure that a steady diet of Pork is supposed to yield a significant weight loss. ;)

Originally posted by snowcat
Let's talk about Hurley for a minute. What was his full name? His first name is Hugo but I can't remember his last name. He also mentioned that Hurley is just a nickname, but he didn't want to explain it. Any guesses on why that is his nickname?

I also really liked his quote after Claire was "attacked". He was talking about looking for the attacker with blank and blank, and then saying that he had no idea who blank and blank were. :D

I applaud ABC for casting a character like him in a major series. I bet more people in the audience relate to him more than anyone else in the cast. ;)

In one of the early episodes Hurley tells Jack he can't really help him treat someone because he's "not so good with blood." I figured "Hurley" had something to do with his tendency to lose his lunch.

Weren't "blank and blank" Ethan and blank?

It's interesting that Hurley's desire for reason and order/normalcy kind of get lost in the shuffle...except for when the other survivors get flat-out suspicious as they did with his "census."

Anyone know what happened to the black woman who lost her husbad? She's been gone from the picture for at least four episodes now...

Originally posted by barth2k
Plus there was nobody on 24 as hot as E Lilly :)

If you'd seen "Girl Next Door" with Elisha Cuthbert (Kim from 24), I'm not so sure you'd say that. Don't get me wrong, Kate is plenty hot...

Originally posted by htevolution
In one of the early episodes Hurley tells Jack he can't really help him treat someone because he's "not so good with blood." I figured "Hurley" had something to do with his tendency to lose his lunch.

Weren't "blank and blank" Ethan and blank?



1. You're probably right about his tendency to get sick around blood.

2. It definitely wasn't Ethan. I thought both names started with an "L", like Larry.

Originally posted by wco81
I don't think Lost is going to become the remake of the Omen.

So these supernatural musings about the baby being the antichrist seems really off.

I think it more likely that the child has some sort of gift, which could be used for either good or evil, depending on how he is raised.

I go back to Locke saying he saw "The heart of the island" or something along those lines when whatever the snuffling beastie thing is was going to eat him. Then fast forward to last night when Sayid returned, and the really dark look he had. What DID he see???

Originally posted by madpoet
I go back to Locke saying he saw "The heart of the island" or something along those lines when whatever the snuffling beastie thing is was going to eat him. Then fast forward to last night when Sayid returned, and the really dark look he had. What DID he see???

Good point. I'm struggling with the timeline of Sayid's "walkabout." Kate mentioned he'd been gone almost a week. So how long has it been since he left Danielle?

And did he make it out of there with her map of the island (which might have even been topographical if I remember correctly)?

Yes, I was kind of thinking that way too (Iteki's comments above) about the baby's "gift" and using it towards good vs. evil.

For the "Alias" fans, it strikes some parallels to Sidney's sister as the "chosen one" for the Rambaldi code and also the fact that Sidney can be in "great danger" if she is to be with her sister...I'm generalizing here, but interesting parallels...now, if this storyline were to coordinate properly by January 5th (premier of season 4, "Alias"), then us viewers will be in similar mindsets to stay on ABC from "Lost" at 8pm to transition right into "Alias" at 9pm - that would be interesting marketing, don't you think?

Originally posted by htevolution
Good point. I'm struggling with the timeline of Sayid's "walkabout." Kate mentioned he'd been gone almost a week. So how long has it been since he left Danielle?



If I remember, at the beginning of the episode whee Sayid met Danielle, Kate said she was worried about him, he had been gone 2 days.

Some of you heard that the 2 hour pilot was going to be rerun. The TVGuide listings for 12/15 has the 2 hour pilot.
My first HDTV, a Sony XBR960 was delivered about 6:30 last evening. I managed to get everything connected, and Lost was the first show I watched in HD. On WMAR in Baltimore it was fantastic and in 5.1 surround. The outside beach and jungle scenes made you feel like you were there.
Dale

Originally posted by efeatherston
If I remember, at the beginning of the episode whee Sayid met Danielle, Kate said she was worried about him, he had been gone 2 days.

At the beginning of last night's episode, when she was talking to Jack on the beach, she had said he'd been gone almost a week.

When I heard it, I remembered reading somewhere on here that each episode=roughly 3 days, so I did the quick math in my head and concluded she must be about right. ;)

Originally posted by snowcat
I applaud ABC for casting a character like him in a major series. I bet more people in the audience relate to him more than anyone else in the cast. ;)

Hurley is my favorite character on the show. His most excellent use of the word dude is timely yet fitting.

The way he deftly ebbed away from the "Census Interview" with Locke by engaging the passing woman in conversation and saying something to the effect of "I know I already talked to you but I just wanted to get away from that guy over there" had me laughing for awhile.

I'm guessing the "Hurley" nickname has something to do with drinking and barfing....:D

Can anybody recall the last name of the psychic?

Originally posted by AFH
How long does it take to get the action and character development going. C'mon Lost writers help the viewers. The novelty is beginning to wear off for me as I'm sure it is for others.

I guess I'm not the only one thinking this. I totally agree with this assessment. Enough with the character development and let's get some action in there! Not that I don't think character development is important but you can't sustain an audience week to week with it.

At first the show had a fascinating approach intermixing character development with action plots. Lately it seems that things have slowed down considerably in the interest of getting us to know the characters better. And the action you see in the previews usually occur only in the last few minutes of the episode.

I hate to admit it but my enthusiasim for the next episode is declining a little each week. I hope I'm wrong since I am a great fan of the show.

Come on ABC, don't drop the ball on this one!

Yeah I'm also frustrated by character development, in the form of these back stories, over actual plot or action.

But I don't think this is ABC. This is probably Abrams and the producers, trying to fill out episodes to keep it going for a long time, in light of the unexpected success.

BTW, Abrams was initially skeptical or reluctant to take this project on and then saw some possibilities. But he may not be quite prepared to carry this for the long run as he's got a lot on the burners.

Originally posted by Iteki
I think it more likely that the child has some sort of gift, which could be used for either good or evil, depending on how he is raised.

Now that's a good idea. The psychic did seem concerned that she have a "positive " influence on the child.

I disagree. Compelling TV and films rely on rich, developed, multi-faceted characters. The Lethal Weapon series of movies was best known for this and can attribute much of its success to character development way above that of normal police stories. Similarly, the deep character development and exploration on the Sopranos raises it above the standard mob stories.

I actually like the character development in Lost, and I don't feel it is at all too slow. It grounds the characters and gives them a credible base to back up the actions and decisions that they make.

Originally posted by UUronl
I disagree. Compelling TV and films rely on rich, developed, multi-faceted characters. The Lethal Weapon series of movies was best known for this and can attribute much of its success to character development way above that of normal police stories. Similarly, the deep character development and exploration on the Sopranos raises it above the standard mob stories.

I actually like the character development in Lost, and I don't feel it is at all too slow. It grounds the characters and gives them a credible base to back up the actions and decisions that they make.

I like the backstories and character development too. I'm glad it's not just a straightforward action show. That would be ordinary.

If you want to know whose backstories are in the next 4 episodes...

Episode 11 - "All the Best Cowboys have Daddy Issues" - More on Jack
Episode 12 - "Whatever the Cas May Be" - More on Kate's story
Episode 13 - "Hearts and Minds" - Boone's story
Episode 14 - "Special" - Walt and Michael

Originally posted by GenoV
Seems like everyone had some sort of glitch in the 2nd half of the show last night. Perhaps that nasty storm was causing a little uplink issue? (It does come out of New York, no?)
I don't remember a glitch.

Originally posted by snowcat
1. You're probably right about his tendency to get sick around blood.

2. It definitely wasn't Ethan. I thought both names started with an "L", like Larry.

It was 'S'. Wasn't it Steve and Scott?

Originally posted by hefe
It was 'S'. Wasn't it Steve and Scott?

I think you're right. :)

I got mixed up because he kept wanting to call Ethan "Lance".

It's bad writing when you start thinking: "TV characters, not people."

People would say, "Don't call me crazy" in that situation, especially Charlie.

Instead, it immediately became some referendum on veracity for the both of them.

The writing of the early part of the episode was painful.

And, no, it's not because I wouldn't personally react that way.

I watch the Simpsons and they react to countless situations in ways that I think are ludicrous. But I'm rarely left thinking, "Bart just wouldn't talk that way."

Claire and Charlie, well, they wouldn't talk the way they were on last night's episode.

Mark

Originally posted by wco81
Yeah I'm also frustrated by character development, in the form of these back stories, over actual plot or action.I think you may need to get used to it. Think about it: this is a television series - one that intends to stay on the air for multiple seasons, I would think. If forward-moving action were the point, they'd run through their ideas too quickly. Then, they'd wind up resorting to gimmicks, like having the Harlem Globetrotters drop by for a visit. ;)

The flashbacks are the show, and I expect to find eventually that they will be more pertinent to the overall story of "Lost" than the minor happenings on the island.

The psychic told Claire it was vital that only she raise the child. He was very specific about her taking only the one particular flight to LA, no other.

He knew the plane would crash and that she would survive and be forced to raise the child herself, not give it up for adoption. If he wanted her and the child to die there were any number of other, cheaper ways to accomplish that rather than give her $6k (even if it's $6k AU dollars) and a plane ticket.

Yes, there is a Dorito muncher flipping the switch at almost all stations, ours here in Fresno is very good about most shows, rarely a glitch unless the show ends at 11 pm and he wants to go home early.

Originally posted by Steve S
The psychic told Claire it was vital that only she raise the child. He was very specific about her taking only the one particular flight to LA, no other.

He knew the plane would crash and that she would survive and be forced to raise the child herself, not give it up for adoption. If he wanted her and the child to die there were any number of other, cheaper ways to accomplish that rather than give her $6k (even if it's $6k AU dollars) and a plane ticket.

That is Pure Speculation on your part!! :D :D :D

So you think the psychic was purely benevolent? I just kind of picked up on a more sinister spin after he started calling her all the time and she went to see him, which was reinforced by what is now happening to her in the island.


In case you didn't pick up on the smilies, speculation is what this thread is all about! This show is great at giving little clues to think about all week! Haven't enjoyed one this much since the ill fated Push, NV and then Carnivale. In the immortal words of trbarry, this probably means it will get cancelled :mad:

Originally posted by Steve S

Yes, there is a Dorito muncher flipping the switch at almost all stations, ours here in Fresno is very good about most shows, rarely a glitch unless the show ends at 11 pm and he wants to go home early.

I think you're right about that now that I think about it...I never seem to have a problem with the ABC shows that are on early (like Lost), but for some reason almost every week NYPD Blue goes to SD with about 5 minutes left in the show...I bet the guy wants to go home before the news starts at 11, flips the switch and heads out the door.

Anyone experience sound pops this past week? Every 20 minutes or so there was a sound pop in my left speaker, I get NBC via OTA, is it the signal or what?

Originally posted by tbb1226
I think you may need to get used to it. Think about it: this is a television series - one that intends to stay on the air for multiple seasons, I would think. If forward-moving action were the point, they'd run through their ideas too quickly. Then, they'd wind up resorting to gimmicks, like having the Harlem Globetrotters drop by for a visit. ;)

The flashbacks are the show, and I expect to find eventually that they will be more pertinent to the overall story of "Lost" than the minor happenings on the island.

There are only a few characters left to introduce as it pertains to their experiences before they came to the Lost Island (although we never did find out what/who Kate was running from). Once this is accomplished it seems reasonable to expect the story to move forward at a faster pace with more of the focus on the survivor's current predicament.

Originally posted by FJ Merlin
Anyone experience sound pops this past week? Every 20 minutes or so there was a sound pop in my left speaker, I get NBC via OTA, is it the signal or what?

No, but I'm pretty sure that the various pops and squeals that eminate from my system from time to time finally claimed a victim. I think something in my center is blown. It has that torn celophane buzz over voices and now has an obvious directionality that doesn't mesh with the people speaking on-screen. Thank goodness for 5 year warranties, but what a pain.

Originally posted by FJ Merlin
Anyone experience sound pops this past week? Every 20 minutes or so there was a sound pop in my left speaker, I get NBC via OTA, is it the signal or what?

I'm using TWC in Albany, NY and their delivery of HDTV programming is often problematic... picture freezing, noise popping, etc. In addition, there is occasionally the random re-boot of the STB (SA8300HD-DVR) if cranking through the various features too fast which can overload the platform (e.g. too many successive clicks through the program guide/on-demand programming/or DVR recorded list).

IMO HDTV and the infrastructure to deliver it is an immature technology with problems that early adopters have to be willing to deal with. It reminds me of the good old days when DOS based Windows 3.1/3.11 PC's were being widely disseminated throughout the corporate world. It was fun trying to load a bunch of network drivers and DOS based applications with only 640K of RAM to play with.

Originally posted by FJ Merlin
Anyone experience sound pops this past week? Every 20 minutes or so there was a sound pop in my left speaker, I get NBC via OTA, is it the signal or what?

I think you have a larger problem if you were tuned to NBC... :D

Originally posted by htevolution
If you'd seen "Girl Next Door" with Elisha Cuthbert (Kim from 24), I'm not so sure you'd say that. Don't get me wrong, Kate is plenty hot...

I did see that awful movie and sorry but EC's pouty teen brat thing does nothing for me.

I think it's strange that so many people here are complaining about the character backstories. It seems that some aren't getting the whole picture. All of these backstories introduce mystery, suspense, and plotlines. This IS the show. To me, this is the absolutely best-written show I've ever seen. You have to have these backgrounds in order to get the full impact of what's going on in the show. It sounds like a lot of folks are saying, hurry up, just get to the monster part and kill it and get rescued. What do you folks plan on watching them do on the island otherwise? Play golf on a two-hole golf course every single episode?

Or, maybe that's just me.

I'm not complaining about back stories in general so much as every episode being a back story.

What drew people into this show was the pilot with the crash, people trying to cope on this island with a lot of mysteries.

It seems the back stories sometimes get in the way of telling the story about the island. Some of the backstories are great, like Locke's story.

But when they do it every epidose, these flashbacks lose their impact. Also, you're aware that with TV economics, the goal is to make 100 episodes for syndication. So how much of these back stories are to tell the story and how many are filler?

Originally posted by rcwalters
I think it's strange that so many people here are complaining about the character backstories. It seems that some aren't getting the whole picture. All of these backstories introduce mystery, suspense, and plotlines. This IS the show. To me, this is the absolutely best-written show I've ever seen. You have to have these backgrounds in order to get the full impact of what's going on in the show. It sounds like a lot of folks are saying, hurry up, just get to the monster part and kill it and get rescued. What do you folks plan on watching them do on the island otherwise? Play golf on a two-hole golf course every single episode?

Or, maybe that's just me.

I'm with you rcwalters. I love the writing & character development.


tim

I think the flashbacks are awesome. I love the novelty of this show. The character building on each episode is what keep us guessing and savoring this show. I believe if the plot would've been about monters and no substance, the ratings would've been very low. At least, they would've lost as a viewer.

The backstories are nice, because all of the people that survived the crash are there for a reason, and we learn those reasons, those skeletons in their closets, from the flashbacks.

Originally posted by wco81
It seems the back stories sometimes get in the way of telling the story about the island. Some of the backstories are great, like Locke's story.


Just imagine if they didn't show Locke's back story.

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't this a mystery? We aren't supposed to know all the answers.

Actually, I don't have an issue with backstories. We know the story of Superman---Smallville is the backstory of how he got there. We know what happened to Darth Vader--the first three Star Wars movies tell how he got to be Darth.

I think the producers have stated that the premise of the show is to have people facing the unknown on the island, but using backstories to flesh them out so you can understand how and way they are responding to their current situation. Being impatient, I would also like to see more of the island story. Thing is, once I know what the "monster" is, and what's up with the "others" and Claire's baby where does the show go from there?

Reminds me a little of the "x-files". Once the truth behind the black oil/alien virus was known...

Anyway, for now, still has my attention.

I can't wait for the Hurley backlog! =)

No one is suggesting that the backstories or the characters are not important. I do find them interesting and an integral part of the series.

All I'm saying is that this is becoming too routine. And like an earlier post stated they are starting to lose their impact because of this. Its just a question of finding the right balance and right now the show's 90% character development and 10% action (at the end of the episode to keep the audience coming back).

I guess time (and ratings) will tell if this recipe will work. Somehow I doubt it will in the 500-channel universe.

If say 30-40 episodes later, they're still doing back stories and they are no closer to figuring out the mysteries of the island, would people find the back stories still interesting?

I have to agree with you Dynot. With all the potential in this show...LOST has all this action just waiting to be developed. I want a little more current action, and a little less backstory. One more show and I think I'm done. It is just too much like a soap.


Originally posted by Dynot
No one is suggesting that the backstories or the characters are not important. I do find them interesting and an integral part of the series.

All I'm saying is that this is becoming too routine. And like an earlier post stated they are starting to lose their impact because of this. Its just a question of finding the right balance and right now the show's 90% character development and 10% action (at the end of the episode to keep the audience coming back).

I guess time (and ratings) will tell if this recipe will work. Somehow I doubt it will in the 500-channel universe.

I think everyone's partly right and partly incorrect. THe reason a show like the X-Files stayed on the air so long is they alternated the whole Conspiracy story with episodes that really didnt have anything to do with the big picture. At the rate Lost is going, they'll run out of their "conspiracy" story too soon, they need to have a few episodes where nothing "BIG" happens, just an episode about them discovering a new source of food, or they go off to explore more of the coastline and someone gets trapped on the cliff and they have to rescue, etc etc. Then after one or two of those episodes, they come back to revealing more about the island, the background stories, etc. That'll sustain the story longer instead of unraveling it at a fast, constant rate which it seems like they are doing now.

You take all the conspiracy and mythology episodes of the X-Files and play them back to back, you might have enough for 2 or 3 seasons, instead of the 9 years that it lasted. If you add in 1 or 2 episodes where nothing happens related to the big story of the island in between, you can make this show last a long time.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
I think everyone's partly right and partly incorrect. THe reason a show like the X-Files stayed on the air so long is they alternated the whole Conspiracy story with episodes that really didnt have anything to do with the big picture. At the rate Lost is going, they'll run out of their "conspiracy" story too soon, they need to have a few episodes where nothing "BIG" happens, just an episode about them discovering a new source of food, or they go off to explore more of the coastline and someone gets trapped on the cliff and they have to rescue, etc etc. Then after one or two of those episodes, they come back to revealing more about the island, the background stories, etc. That'll sustain the story longer instead of unraveling it at a fast, constant rate which it seems like they are doing now.

You take all the conspiracy and mythology episodes of the X-Files and play them back to back, you might have enough for 2 or 3 seasons, instead of the 9 years that it lasted. If you add in 1 or 2 episodes where nothing happens related to the big story of the island in between, you can make this show last a long time.

Good points. I'd forgotten that X-Files pattern. There'd be a few weeks of alien/conspiracy then some totally unrelated one like the Burt Reynolds as God story [still trying to forget that one!].

I guess we concentrate on the story and the producers and ABC think about what to do with a runaway hit and how to make it last.

the x-files alien conspiracy was a mess after season 4...they started all sorts of crap with everyone getting sick..mulder, then scully.....it was so lame

the non conspiracy eps were good, even in season 9

but the "main arc" was a joke...

Originally posted by petergaryr
Good points. I'd forgotten that X-Files pattern. There'd be a few weeks of alien/conspiracy then some totally unrelated one like the Burt Reynolds as God story [still trying to forget that one!].

I guess we concentrate on the story and the producers and ABC think about what to do with a runaway hit and how to make it last.

They did the same thing on Buffy and Angel.

Originally posted by wco81


This isn't the Wild West where people join the posse. The modern behavior would be to withdraw and "try not to get involved" and try to protect themselves, not confront malevolent people who've demonstrated they will harm others.

actually, i'd say this (being on a deserted island-well almost deserted) is more like the Wild West. There is no organized formal police and in this type of situation i think people would "join the posse." tho, i agree that in our 'civilized' world people would not get involved so readily. but that's not where our friends find themselves...

Originally posted by PDPnNJ
I think the flashbacks are awesome. I love the novelty of this show. The character building on each episode is what keep us guessing and savoring this show. I believe if the plot would've been about monters and no substance, the ratings would've been very low. At least, they would've lost as a viewer.

i totally agree-- the backstories put the present day in context. my absolute favorite (in just about any drama) was the Locke episode. How you're first led to believe he's some hi ranking miltary guy (colonel) only to find out that he's a low-level "Dilbert" being belittled by his Gen-Xer boss.

Next, he's a pathetic character actually thinking the phone sex gal would go with him on his walkabout- he's basically a sad tragic figure.

then we see him in OZ being turned away from the walkabout because he misrepesented himself-- he's in a wheelchair!
so now on the island, he gets to actually live out for real what he was just deemed unable to do - survive in the wilderness!
and-- the others view him in the same way-- as a knowledgable survivalist!
perception is reality!
a very clever, well written episode imho....

Originally posted by eddieras
i totally agree-- the backstories put the present day in context. my absolute favorite (in just about any drama) was the Locke episode. How you're first led to believe he's some hi ranking miltary guy (colonel) only to find out that he's a low-level "Dilbert" being belittled by his Gen-Xer boss.

Next, he's a pathetic character actually thinking the phone sex gal would go with him on his walkabout- he's basically a sad tragic figure.

then we see him in OZ being turned away from the walkabout because he misrepesented himself-- he's in a wheelchair!
so now on the island, he gets to actually live out for real what he was just deemed unable to do - survive in the wilderness!
and-- the others view him in the same way-- as a knowledgable survivalist!
perception is reality!
a very clever, well written episode imho....

I could have sworn... (but I can't really remember for sure) when Danielle was holding Sayid captive and let him go she warned him to watch his fellow survivors because "some would turn." I believe the character "Locke" will be the first Lost survivor to become a villain.

yes I agree. Locke is going to become obsessed with the island at the expense of his fellow plane passengers. my guess is he will be the major character "death" that is supposed to happen before the end of the season.

Originally posted by optivity
I could have sworn... (but I can't really remember for sure) when Danielle was holding Sayid captive and let him go she warned him to watch his fellow survivors because "some would turn." I believe the character "Locke" will be the first Lost survivor to become a villain.

Yes. She said something like "watch the others".

There seems to be some type of "island influence" than causes a not good change in people. Sometimes evil disguises itself as good, causing people to say things like "i have seen the heart of the island and it is good".

That's the fun of the show, sorting out what is going on. Apparently it isn't all black and white.

I want the big invisible steam shovel monster back. ;)

- Tom

This from the D*TV guide info.

A search party ventures into the jungle to try to find Charlie and Claire.

So Ethan is the bad guy so far, not Locke.

I want DD5.1! I hope WJLA gets the 5.1 encoder soon!

Originally posted by trbarry
I want the big invisible steam shovel monster back. ;)

- Tom Maybe Mike Mulligan will show up to operate it. ;)

Finally got around to watching it on the HDTivo and was wondering if the airliner flying by in the background of the one of the beach scenes noticed their wreckage on the beach. What airliner? Look in the sky behind Hurleys head when he first walks up to get the manifest from Sawyer and you will see a plane slowly climbing from right to left across the screen.

Damn, I missed that. I always look for boats out in the ocean.

Look in the sky behind Hurleys head when he first walks up to get the manifest from Sawyer and you will see a plane slowly climbing from right to left across the screen.
What??? You're telling us it's a TV show??? It's filmed on Oahu??? There's an airport in Honolulu???

Actually, I'm surprised we don't see more artifacts like this in shows and movies. There really isn't that much pristine wilderness, not marred by roads and powerlines, left out there...

--Dan

Originally posted by aaronwt
I want DD5.1! I hope WJLA gets the 5.1 encoder soon!

Supposed to be next week:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4747473#post4747473

Tony

Great news! must have overlooked those posts.

Originally posted by Y2K996
Finally got around to watching it on the HDTivo and was wondering if the airliner flying by in the background of the one of the beach scenes noticed their wreckage on the beach. What airliner? Look in the sky behind Hurleys head when he first walks up to get the manifest from Sawyer and you will see a plane slowly climbing from right to left across the screen. That was a cool goof. I went back and replayed the scene and shore nuff, a big bird flying over Hurley's big head. Thanks Y2 for pointing it out.

Originally posted by Y2K996
Finally got around to watching it on the HDTivo and was wondering if the airliner flying by in the background of the one of the beach scenes noticed their wreckage on the beach. What airliner? Look in the sky behind Hurleys head when he first walks up to get the manifest from Sawyer and you will see a plane slowly climbing from right to left across the screen.
That was no airplane, that was the Mother Ship checking up on the "Catch of the Day"!! :)

barth2k said:
I did see that awful movie [Girl Next Door] and sorry but [Elisha Cuthbert]'s pouty teen brat thing does nothing for me.I saw it on DVD a few days ago, and Elisha Cuthbert was the only good thing about that movie — and a very good thing she was, too! I enthusiatically ignored all the film's faults — nay, I wallowed in them — just because of her presence.

If you're thinking "pouty teen brat," it must be because you can't shake loose the memory of the first season of 24.

Slinky11 said:
I can't wait for the Hurley backlog!Funny you should say backlog! ;) That word might explain how come Hurley hasn't seemed to lose much (if any) weight on the island! :D [Some may think I'm just belaboring an obvious joke... Sorry.]

Dynot said:
...right now the show's 90% character development and 10% action (at the end of the episode to keep the audience coming back). I guess time (and ratings) will tell if this recipe will work. Somehow I doubt it will in the 500-channel universe.Wrong, wrong, wrong. It's not a 500-channel universe for most of us; it's a universe with a (slowly but inexorably expanding) handful of HD channels.

Originally posted by Syzygy
If you're thinking "pouty teen brat," it must be because you can't shake loose the memory of the first season of 24.

... and 2nd and 3rd...

I also like the darn flashbacks and character development.

Otherwise there would just be some big monster that got struct by lightning or fell into a volcano or they could all start chanting "kill the pig" and chasing Hurley.

What fun would that be?

OTOH, I guess they could still throw in some more revealing HD shots of Kate. I could live with that part. ;)

- Tom

Originally posted by danco
Actually, I'm surprised we don't see more artifacts like this in shows and movies. There really isn't that much pristine wilderness, not marred by roads and powerlines, left out there...

--Dan That's what Canada is for - as well as ......you know. ;)

One of the best yet, IMHO. The two week wait was worth it!

Still, my favorite part was the Sydney Bristow teaser... That Lenny Kravitz song will be stuck in my head until January 5th ;)

Originally posted by Y2K996
Finally got around to watching it on the HDTivo and was wondering if the airliner flying by in the background of the one of the beach scenes noticed their wreckage on the beach. What airliner? Look in the sky behind Hurleys head when he first walks up to get the manifest from Sawyer and you will see a plane slowly climbing from right to left across the screen.

Darn! I missed that. Can anyone post a link to a small .avi or something??

It would be much appreciated.
THANKS

you'd think they could go in and clone out that plane before it goes to air... but i assume it was only visible on the outer edges, where a regular screen would cut it off, so they figured so few people would see it (obvious here because only one person caught it) why bother. But if its a bright blue sky, it shouldn't be hard to go in and "erase" the plane from the background in those frames.

Originally posted by ucsbgaucho
you'd think they could go in and clone out that plane before it goes to air... but i assume it was only visible on the outer edges, where a regular screen would cut it off, so they figured so few people would see it (obvious here because only one person caught it) why bother. But if its a bright blue sky, it shouldn't be hard to go in and "erase" the plane from the background in those frames. You probably know alot more about this than I do but it was quite unnoticeable. You really have to be looking in the center of the screen right above Hurley's huge melon. So I would think with the hectic editing schedule they have for episodic tv they flat out missed it.

Given the number of people that sit in on the average editing session, somebody should have seen it.

Originally posted by PJO1966
Given the number of people that sit in on the average editing session, somebody should have seen it.

Never mind the editing session. You'd figure the cameraman, director, or anyone else would have noticed it while they were shooting. Seems to me all they had to do was reshoot the scene which lasted all of a few seconds.

Unless of course doing another 5-second walk-in was too tiring for Hurley.:)

Originally posted by Hounsfield

Still, my favorite part was the Sydney Bristow teaser... That Lenny Kravitz song will be stuck in my head until January 5th ;)

That was good!! Wow!!! That woman just really stirs something in me..:p

Originally posted by keenan
That was good!! Wow!!! That woman just really stirs something in me..:p The difficult part was not skipping through this promo and the wife asking, "are you going to skip through this commercial?". I painfully had to skip past Jennifer but caught it again later after wifey left ;) ABC did a great job with this one and the Desperate Housewives promo that featured Foghat's Slow Ride.

Okay... one other thing on Alisha Cuthbert... :)

She played a small part in the movie 'Old School'. And although she is playing a high school girl (under 18) she looks HOT in this movie too... (and she is definitely over 18)

The scene where the 'godfather' (Luke Wilson) wakes up with her in bed sticks out in my mind... panties, and a little nighty shirt... oh baby... :D

http://backpagegallery.news24.com/person/Cuthbert/images/15.jpg

And now back on topic....

Was the look on Ethan's face at the end of the episode creepy, or what?!?
Sent chills down my spine...

If you're gonna post photos like that...

...then by all means STAY OFF TOPIC!!! :D

:)

Well, anyone that knows how to use a search engine can find all the photos they want.... so, I just posted the one to wet ones appetite... it's up to you to do the rest... :D

Originally posted by JayDog_2
:)

Well, anyone that knows how to use a search engine can find all the photos they want.... so, I just posted the one to wet ones appetite... it's up to you to do the rest... :D

It's easy to see why she works in Hollywood and we're talking about "Lost on ABC..."

I was trying to remeber how we even got onto the subject of Alisha Cuthbert anyways... :)

I think there was some connection with her being from Canada?
Maybe she'll have a guest appearance on 'Lost'? :D

Originally posted by JayDog_2
I was trying to remeber how we even got onto the subject of Alisha Cuthbert anyways... :)

I think there was some connection with her being from Canada?
Maybe she'll have a guest appearance on 'Lost'? :D

C'mon...if you're going to post those great photos of her, at least get her name right...it's Elisha with an "E" :)

That's funny... You're right, but I found the above photo by searching for 'Alisha'... :D

Originally posted by JayDog_2
I was trying to remeber how we even got onto the subject of Alisha Cuthbert anyways... :)

I think there was some connection with her being from Canada?
Maybe she'll have a guest appearance on 'Lost'? :D

I think at one point along this thread... we were comparing her to another Lost hottie: Kate/Evangeline Lilly. Are both from Canada? You know the home of those two famous Hosers Bob & Doug McKenzie, Eh... Naturally their favorite beer (and mine) was Molson!

Originally posted by optivity
I think at one point along this thread... we were comparing her to another Lost hottie: Kate/Evangeline Lilly. Are both from Canada?

Yes, both were born/raised in Canada...
Elisha moved to Los Angeles when she was 17.. (5 years ago) She is also fluent in French (of course many Canadians are...)
Evangeline moved to the U.S just recently. In fact she moved to Hawaii for the filming of the 'Lost' series... 'Lost' is her first 'real' role (I watched her on Letterman last month) she did some commercials before in Canada.

Originally posted by rogo
Oh, and the thing next to Locke's bed reminded me of something out of the Heathkit catalog more than a muscle stimulator.... FWIW.

hmmm, now that i think about it, i haven't been getting MY heathkit catalog for a few years? whats up? :confused:

Boy you guys in the East are really lucky. The next LOST is on later today. We here out West have to wait until tomorrow!! Rats!

Bob

'Lost' keeps its bearings in mid-series cliffhanger
By Robert Bianco, USA TODAY December 8

What a way to go on Christmas vacation.
Trapped on an uncharted isle that's part paradise and part purgatory, the survivors of Oceanic's ill-fated Flight 815 have endured a plane crash, a polar bear, a monster, a madwoman, boars, boredom, cave-ins, fistfights, knifings, divisions, torture, terror and a wild game of golf — and they're only halfway through their first season.

Tonight (Wednesday, Dec 8), things go from strange to stranger for TV's most fascinating castaways on a sterling, shock-filled Lost, the show's last original episode this year. (Catch up with reruns through December.)

+++More details on the "Hot Off The Press" thread here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=440744&perpage=20&pagenumber=50

Yeah, I noticed that after tonight that next 'new' Lost episode will be followed by the season premier of 'Alias' on Jan 5th...

I hope they don't follow the same routine that Alias did last year... giving us one or two new episodes, then taking 1 or 2 weeks off in between... that seriously sucked...

Originally posted by JayDog_2
I hope they don't follow the same routine that Alias did last year... giving us one or two new episodes, then taking 1 or 2 weeks off in between... that seriously sucked... Sydney Interruptus?

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Yeah, I noticed that after tonight that next 'new' Lost episode will be followed by the season premier of 'Alias' on Jan 5th...

I hope they don't follow the same routine that Alias did last year... giving us one or two new episodes, then taking 1 or 2 weeks off in between... that seriously sucked...

Well the number of episodes in a network season is pretty consistent. So that number of episodes over what, about 18 weeks or so? Lost will have shown 11 episodes after tonight, so that leaves about 11 for the season. So there's a minimum of 7 weeks off assuming the season ends mid-may. More if it ends later.

Originally posted by hefe
Well the number of episodes in a network season is pretty consistent. So that number of episodes over what, about 18 weeks or so? Lost will have shown 11 episodes after tonight, so that leaves about 11 for the season. So there's a minimum of 7 weeks off assuming the season ends mid-may. More if it ends later.

I try and tell that to my Mom all the time & she still asks why do they show so many repeats? :rolleyes: But to give here some credit, they really did screw up Alias last year.

Yeah, but.... :)

Why do they feel a season has to end/begin a particular time? I understand the fall season lineups... but seems more networks are starting shows later in the season... so why bother trying to spread a season out over so many weeks/months if you don't have enough episodes to show 1 every week?

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Yeah, but.... :)

Why do they feel a season has to end/begin a particular time? I understand the fall season lineups... but seems more networks are starting shows later in the season... so why bother trying to spread a season out over so many weeks/months if you don't have enough episodes to show 1 every week?

I agree. Why not give us a season in consecutive weeks (allowing for special event interruptions as needed) and use the "extra" weeks to try out new series? This seems to work pretty well at HBO.

The only argument I could see on the network side is that they want new episodes of their strongest shows to air during any and all sweeps periods.

Originally posted by Couch Patato
I try and tell that to my Mom all the time & she still asks why do they show so many repeats? :rolleyes: But to give here some credit, they really did screw up Alias last year.

It seems like, and it may just be my impression instead of fact, that Sunday shows get messed up a little more because of awards shows or sporting events or movies events or stuff like that.

Alias was pretty screwed up last season. Maybe 10 episodes in 11 weeks to start made them stretch to reach the finale.

Season 3

3- 1 28 Sep 03 The Two
3- 2 5 Oct 03 Succession
3- 3 12 Oct 03 Reunion
3- 4 19 Oct 03 A Missing Link
3- 5 26 Oct 03 Repercussions
3- 6 2 Nov 03 The Nemesis
3- 7 9 Nov 03 Prelude
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3- 8 23 Nov 03 Breaking Point
3- 9 30 Nov 03 Conscious
3-10 7 Dec 03 Remnants
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3-11 11 Jan 04 Full Disclosure
3-12 18 Jan 04 Crossings
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3-13 15 Feb 04 After Six
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3-14 7 Mar 04 Blowback
3-15 14 Mar 04 Façade
3-16 21 Mar 04 Taken
3-17 28 Mar 04 The Frame
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3-18 11 Apr 04 Unveiled
3-19 18 Apr 04 Hourglass
3-20 25 Apr 04 Blood Ties
3-21 2 May 04 Legacy
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3-22 23 May 04 Resurrection

Originally posted by htevolution
I agree. Why not give us a season in consecutive weeks (allowing for special event interruptions as needed) and use the "extra" weeks to try out new series? This seems to work pretty well at HBO.

The only argument I could see on the network side is that they want new episodes of their strongest shows to air during any and all sweeps periods.

That's what Alias and 24 are essentially doing this year. Not sure if there will be NO breaks, but VERY limited at the least.

Originally posted by hefe
That's what Alias and 24 are essentially doing this year. Not sure if there will be NO breaks, but VERY limited at the least.

Exactly, breaking up serial style programs like Alias are the worst thing you can do if they want to retain viewership, that was aggravating as hell last season, I'm glad they're going to this method. Kate and then Sydney, whoa boy!!

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Yeah, but.... :)

Why do they feel a season has to end/begin a particular time? I understand the fall season lineups... but seems more networks are starting shows later in the season... so why bother trying to spread a season out over so many weeks/months if you don't have enough episodes to show 1 every week?

Shows today are too expensive to produce to support a new episode every week Sept. - May. All the networks coordinate repeats during audience lulls (e.g. Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc.) or show new episodes during rating sweep periods in their quest for the almighty advertising $. Historically, networks showed re-runs during the Summer months on the assumption viewers had better things to do (not me) with their time. Besides... this Summer we need to make way for another rip-roaring rendition of the "Simple Life 3" don't we??? What about those two simple girls... Paris & Nicole???

Originally posted by optivity
Shows today are too expensive to produce to support a new episode every week Sept. - May.
Not so sure about that. More episodes = more advertising = more $$$. I think its about broadcasting when more people tend to watch TV, which is when its too cold and dark to partake in outdoor activities. I know in the summer we spend most of our time outside on the patio/deck when we're not traveling. Now if that's because there's nothing on TV is another question. The old chicken & egg thing.

Originally posted by KenA
Not so sure about that. More episodes = more advertising = more $$$. I think its about broadcasting when more people tend to watch TV, which is when its too cold and dark to partake in outdoor activities. I know in the summer we spend most of our time outside on the patio/deck when we're not traveling. Now if that's because there's nothing on TV is another question. The old chicken & egg thing.

Originally posted by optivity (see above)
Historically, networks showed re-runs during the Summer months on the assumption viewers had better things to do (not me) with their time.

Which is why I record 24 all season and watch it during the summer...on my schedule :-)

Xesdeeni

(Shhh...no spoilers! ;-))

This season 24 is supposedly scheduled to run all their ep back to back without any skipped weeks, HBO style. Good move imo.

ron

Originally posted by hefe
That's what Alias and 24 are essentially doing this year. Not sure if there will be NO breaks, but VERY limited at the least.

Hence, the season premiere of both shows in January instead of September or October.

quote:Originally posted by hefe
That's what Alias and 24 are essentially doing this year. Not sure if there will be NO breaks, but VERY limited at the least.


Originally posted by TommyK


Hence, the season premiere of both shows in January instead of September or October.

And as long as Sutherland stays out of bar fights...:p

Looks like we may learn some more about Jack tonight.

Did anyone notice the picture freezing up during the 1st segment? It seems to be ok now, but a few times the picture froze for about a half second - no digital noise, just a frozen screen.

Miraculous recovery!

Originally posted by FSugino
Miraculous recovery!

When they started playing that music I thought for certain he was a goner. Glad he's not.

wow! what an episode!! this show gets more interesting each week...

chris

Originally posted by alecp
Did anyone notice the picture freezing up during the 1st segment? It seems to be ok now, but a few times the picture froze for about a half second - no digital noise, just a frozen screen. This has been going on quite alot with WXYZ-DT in Detroit the past couple weeks. Read about it in the Detroit local DTV thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4736509#post4736509).

Remember the show Emergency where they would save the person with the cardio punch? When that show was on there were hundreds of cases of people punching others in the chest hoping to get the heart going again but mostly breaking rib cages.

As a CPR instructor I beg everyone to ignore how they tried to do CPR then wound up using a cardio punch. It does not work that way. Do everyone a favor and take a Red Cross or American Heart Association CPR class. That will teach you the correct way of doing things.


Second episode with Jack's past? I don't like the guy, he shows no leadership qualities yet everyone seems to listen to him. Is it just me or is this guy just a liability waiting to happen?

Show is great but I am really starting to dislike most of the characters. Maybe it is the way it is filmed. They all seem unstable.

What happened to the Koreans? They are not even in the background.

Why did Entertainment Tonight say it was the "Season Finale"? I thought it was just off over the holidays?

Originally posted by goodband34
Why did Entertainment Tonight say it was the "Season Finale"? I thought it was just off over the holidays?
You sure they didn't say "final new show of the year?" The next new episode won't air until January.

Originally posted by tbb1226
This has been going on quite alot with WXYZ-DT in Detroit the past couple weeks. Read about it in the Detroit local DTV thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4736509#post4736509).

Also quite a few threads at www.tivocommunity.com about freezing on HDTivo. I am also seeing it on my E86, but not near as much.

I think this episode answered a lot of questions early in this thread about his medical history. It took some balls to go against his dad like that.

No, I'm positive Mary Hart saud Season Finale.

Did anyone else notice the girl they were operating on looked pretty good to have been in a major car accident?

Originally posted by goodband34
No, I'm positive Mary Hart saud Season Finale.

I heard the same thing. Mary Hart could be mistaken, though.

Originally posted by mx6bfast
Also quite a few threads at www.tivocommunity.com about freezing on HDTivo. I am also seeing it on my E86, but not near as much.
I don't want to keep going off topic (hence the link to another thread I posted earlier), but those threads on the TiVo forum are NOT generally discussing the same issue as this local one, which I referenced because the original question was posted by a person in the Detroit area. He didn't say what receiver he's using, but it's happening with a lot of different OTA and cable HD receivers here.

I witnessed the same issue as alecp: namely, the first segment of Lost was riddled with problems, then it got much better (until near the end, that is :( ) This was never an issue with either of my receivers before a couple weeks ago.

Originally posted by goodband34
No, I'm positive Mary Hart saud Season Finale.

She's wrong. There are new episodes starting Jan. 5th. The next three episode titles are already out there.

Funny that we had the Star Trek "Red Shirt" discussion very early on in this thread.

Originally posted by CPanther95
Funny that we had the Star Trek "Red Shirt" discussion very early on in this thread.

I chuckled when I heard Boone go there.

Well I would say Jack passed up a chance for...

some grief sex when they thought Charlie was dead and Kate was so emotional trying to get Jack to stop trying to resuscitate Charlie. :D

My wife mentioned how Charlie would most likely have some brain damage(lack of oxygen) not to mention a broken rib cage from the cardio punches. I also remember Emergency and how they used to make frequent use of the cardio punch, it's funny someone else thought of the same thing.

There were no breakup issues out here in the SF Bay Area using an HD Tivo. Well, there was one, tiny bit of pixelation in a tiny part of the screen in the second half of the ep. That was it.

And, yes, unless they got there within around 4 minutes, there'd be irreparable brain damage. And, yes, many broken ribs.

But this island appears to have brought an apparently dead baby back to life inside its mother and it's given a cripple above-average functionality in his legs. So is anyone truly surprised?

I think Charlie coming back to life only goes to further the theory that what happens on the island is what the crash victims 'want' to happen. Claire was convinced someone wanted to harm her and her baby, so it happened. Jack wanted to save Charlie's life and was convinced he would pull through - so he did, and as we all agree, he should have some complications if this were the real world.

Caleb

Is it the old Charlie that came back or something else? Who knows what the "others" really are?

I think Charlie coming back to life only goes to further the theory that what happens on the island is what the crash victims 'want' to happen.

Some more evidence for that theory might be how good the kid is at getting the numbers he wants when rolling dice.

-Tom

From this episode, you would have to believe that Ethan was not working alone. I don't see how one person could kidnap two people (and then fight Jack with them not around). Also, I don't see how one person could tie Charlie way up in that tree. It wasn't like there was a ladder around. :confused:

Maybe the native(s) are aliens who want to study a human baby from birth. They can pose as humans to blend in.

Originally posted by PittCaleb
I think Charlie coming back to life only goes to further the theory that what happens on the island is what the crash victims 'want' to happen.

Exactly. It's as if their premonitions always occur.

Originally posted by snowcat
From this episode, you would have to believe that Ethan was not working alone. I don't see how one person could kidnap two people (and then fight Jack with them not around). Also, I don't see how one person could tie Charlie way up in that tree. It wasn't like there was a ladder around. :confused:

By way Ethan was able to kick Jack's A.., it appears he has some type of supernatural powers... This would explain Ethan's ability to drag Charlie & Claire through the jungle and hang Charlie up the way he did. Perhaps they were near Ethan's lair... so when he confronted Jack he may already had Claire squirreled away?

Originally posted by optivity


By way Ethan was able to kick Jack's A.., it appears he has some type of supernatural powers... This would explain Ethan's ability to drag Charlie & Claire through the jungle and hang Charlie up the way he did. Perhaps they were near Ethan's lair... so when he confronted Jack he may already had Claire squirreled away?

I considered that as the other option. ;)

Also, what do you think Locke found on the jungle floor? My first thought is a metal trapdoor, possibly leading to the Others' lair.

Originally posted by goodband34
Why did Entertainment Tonight say it was the "Season Finale"? I thought it was just off over the holidays?
I believe ABC has picked up Lost for a full season (22 episodes).

Originally posted by snowcat
I considered that as the other option. ;)

Also, what do you think Locke found on the jungle floor? My first thought is a metal trapdoor, possibly leading to the Others' lair.
Agreed. I believe Locke will be the first to turn, perhaps joining forces with Ethan? I'd be worried if I were in Boone's shoes... At some point a major (or in Boone's case: an almost major) character need's to die...

Originally posted by CPanther95
Funny that we had the Star Trek "Red Shirt" discussion very early on in this thread.

We have also be wondering if the writers were looking at this or other Lost threads....maybe this is a tip of the hat to us?

Hello Mr. Abrams!

;)

Originally posted by Innova
We have also be wondering if the writers were looking at this or other Lost threads....maybe this is a tip of the hat to us?

Hello Mr. Abrams!

;)

It's also interesting the writer's lump Lost viewers in with Star Trek fan's... Of course I can remember a certain 13 year old youngster who saw Captain Kirk battling a lizard creature for the 1st time WAYYYYYY... back in 1969... and thought this was just the coolest show ever seen!!! OK, now that I've dated myself... you can do the math...

And yes... the red-shirt crew members of the star ship Enterprise always seemed to get killed.

BTW... When they start advertising Plasma displays on Lost... you'll know the Producers are reading this thread...

Originally posted by Innova
We have also be wondering if the writers were looking at this or other Lost threads....maybe this is a tip of the hat to us?

Hello Mr. Abrams!

;)

Didn't one of the principal writers (either Abrams or the other fella) mention the phrase "red shirts" in an interview somewhere?

Also---I guess the shooting blue/green lines across the top of the screen were limited to the NYC market on WABC-DT last night during LOST eh? I see no other mentions of the visual issues that so many on the NYC OTA thread are commenting on?

Originally posted by Carl Holt

Second episode with Jack's past? I don't like the guy, he shows no leadership qualities yet everyone seems to listen to him. Is it just me or is this guy just a liability waiting to happen?

Show is great but I am really starting to dislike most of the characters. Maybe it is the way it is filmed. They all seem unstable.


Isn't that the point? Who they were in the "real world" has nothing to do with who they've become, or at least what others' assumptions have built them into, on the island. Locke tonight was a perfect example of that when he told Boone about his box company job. So mundane it was unbelievable to Boone.

I think given the circumstances we can forgive them for being a bit on edge. ;)

Originally posted by PittCaleb
I think Charlie coming back to life only goes to further the theory that what happens on the island is what the crash victims 'want' to happen. Claire was convinced someone wanted to harm her and her baby, so it happened. Jack wanted to save Charlie's life and was convinced he would pull through - so he did, and as we all agree, he should have some complications if this were the real world.

Caleb

Interesting line of thought...I came back to this when Walt and Hurley were playing backgammon. Nobody's that lucky!

EDIT: trbarry beat me to it. I gotta get up earlier on Thursdays!

So the question is, when JJ Abrams said that a major cast member would die, was he talking about Charlie ? He was technically dead, until Jack (or the Island itself) brought him back to life. Was Abrams' quote just more trickery for us ?

The only problem with the theory is that the one deep desire (almost) every survivor has is to get off the stinkin' island...and that hasn't happened. :rolleyes:

Xesdeeni

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
The only problem with the theory is that the one deep desire (almost) every survivor has is to get off the stinkin' island...and that hasn't happened. :rolleyes:

Xesdeeni

Well, that would just make the story... too unbelievable!!!:confused:

Originally posted by NorthJersey
So the question is, when JJ Abrams said that a major cast member would die, was he talking about Charlie ? He was technically dead, until Jack (or the Island itself) brought him back to life. Was Abrams' quote just more trickery for us ?

Sure, and it's not the first time a show's creator has used that gambit to throw off the speculators (i.e. being briefly "dead" but then resuscitated). I can remember another great show in particular a couple of season's ago that did this very thing... anybody else?