...The rest of 'em are a bunch of ninnies. :)

My mother used to call me that... (Not recently; I was about 5 at the time)

I'd like to see a weekly island STRIP poker game where Juliet, SUN, KATE and NIKKE exchange ITEMS OF CLOTHING.
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There, fixed it!

Mel

"He walks among us, but he is not one of us"

I think the Others are extraterrestrials. So are some of the Losties. The tatoo lady in Thailand labeled Jack with this statement because she has the ability to tell aliens apart from humans. It's just a theory. Ben said "We're the good guys." I guess that depends upon your point of view. Perhaps Desmond is an ET and the ET's have the ability to move through time.

There, fixed it!

Mel

I think my Tivo would break...

.....When she criticized their moral standing to question her, they should have made it clear that the fact that they have questionable morals is precisely why she better start talking. "We're aren't trying to win any good citizenship awards here - start talking or we're going to mess you up"

Ah, but remember, Sayid "doesn't do that anymore", and Sawyer hasn't got the guts to torture someone. She knew it, and that was the basis of her gutsy play. Because, you know, those Others just seem to know... um... lots of stuff.

From Desmond's experiences it has been established that at least some people on the island appear to be working with some knowledge of the future. Maybe the others share some of this, if they have some too, which seems likely.

- Tom

I want Claire, Juliet and Kate nekkid and mud wrestling.....NOW!

On that topic, is it me, or does Juliet's rack always sem like its trying to escape?

Ah, but remember, Sayid "doesn't do that anymore", and Sawyer hasn't got the guts to torture someone. She knew it, and that was the basis of her gutsy play. Because, you know, those Others just seem to know... um... lots of stuff.

What about Claire! Don't you think they really had no choice? You delay Juliette to long, as far as they know, Claire may die, and they couldn't afford to have that on their heads. Don't give Juliette to much credit, or take away to much from Sayid or Sawyer, as they let her know they don't trust her, and she seemed to give away that she knows about them.

Looking forward to tonight's ep...aren't that many left!!!!

Me too! Last fall during the little mini-season I looked forward to them but by the end it wasn't with nearly the same anticipation. They got stuck in the whole caged Lostie arc for way too long and it began to drag. Now they've got it back in gear and I'm anxiously waiting for 10:00 to roll around again :). They seem to be keeping a very tight lid on the subject matter of the last couple ep's of the season. It will be interesting to see what they came up with to take it out on the break. At this point it appears they will most likely go with the straight through season next year so it could be a pretty long one. I'd think they would really like to go out with some big fireworks to keep the viewers hanging on...


ron

Looking forward to tonight's ep...aren't that many left!!!!

Have we really been through 10 eps already this run? I'm told there are only 6 left. Can't believe there's been 10 already!

Have we really been through 10 eps already this run? I'm told there are only 6 left. Can't believe there's been 10 already!

Think about how the Losties feel. They haven't gone through a week and a half this fast since they crashed on the island.

Looking forward to tonight's ep...aren't that many left!!!!
You may want to start watching them in slo-mo, they'll last longer that way. ;)

IIRC they ended Season 2 with Penny Widmore(?) finding out about the EMP from the 2 guys at the listening station. I'm amazed there's been no reference made to that at all this season, least as far as I can recall. Will Penny's involvement (presumably a search for Desmond) play no part in this season? I'm not ready to believe something I thought was so significant was nothing more than a red herring???

It's not a red herring. Every single frame, every scene, every line of dialog of every episode is meticulously plotted out years in advance. They even have a separate staff of writers just for easter eggs.

IIRC they ended Season 2 with Penny Widmore(?) finding out about the EMP from the 2 guys at the listening station. I'm amazed there's been no reference made to that at all this season, least as far as I can recall. Will Penny's involvement (presumably a search for Desmond) play no part in this season? I'm not ready to believe something I thought was so significant was nothing more than a red herring???

They may touch on that tonight.

Irmo: Nothing in your post that's in any way a spoiler.
Steve: Did you forget a "winky", or some other emoticon?

I was kidding about the easter eggs. Those are all plotted out clear to the end of the series, but they're done by the regular staff of writers. ;)

to the potential spoiler comment, how do we know this about jack's character? I don't recall anything about this.

It was widely reported in the media during LOST's first season. Obviously, they changed their minds on the character of Jack and decided to make him the focus of the show.

But how could that be in light of my post above??? Also, Ben's character was originally just for a few episodes but now he's a main character. Could it be be explained by time travel or alternate realities?

They may touch on that tonight.I suspect if we see Ms. Widmore tonight it will likely only be in flashback form. But I would be a little surprised if they don't touch back on the "Penny searching for Desmond" situation at least briefly before the end of the season though. I think that story arc probably fits more into the end-game portion of the show so maybe next season they'll begin to dig deeper into it maybe?


ron

But how could that be in light of my post above???Ahh, getting all geared up to dislike another ep Steve? While many of us spend the day eagerly waiting to enjoy the twists and turns of a new LOST ep, Steve spends his day with angst and turmoil boiling deep within, and the anticipation of anguish slowly bubbling to the surface... It must be just great! :)


ron

What about Claire! Don't you think they really had no choice? You delay Juliette to long, as far as they know, Claire may die, and they couldn't afford to have that on their heads.

Yah, like Charlie would go all postal on them. Can't get them Hobbits mad, no siree. Sayid & Sawyer are such girly men.

Ahh, getting all geared up to dislike another ep Steve? While many of us spend the day eagerly waiting to enjoy the twists and turns of a new LOST ep, Steve spends his day with angst and turmoil boiling deep within, and the anticipation of anguish slowly bubbling to the surface... It must be just great! :)
No anguish - I'm just hoping for more special guest stars like Bingo Long to show up. Maybe Rob and Amber are somehow connected to the island.

No anguish - I'm just hoping for more special guest stars like Bingo Long to show up. Maybe Rob and Amber are somehow connected to the island.Ohhh, Rob and Amber! That might be good. They could show up in the magic box! :cool:


ron

I'm watching this on Cox cable in Williamsburg, VA. Did anybody else in the area get some kind of annoying popping sound about ten minutes into the episode? It was damn annoying, but I don't recall having heard it before.

On a more relevant note, I love Desmond episodes. They should just drop Jack and focus on him. Powers not withstanding, even his path is more interesteing.

got the popping on comcast in Richmond VA also...HD feed only, not SD. Strange

Same here - Comcast South Jersey (HD)

Here in Oklahoma City too, but it's over now

Did you see kate in those underwear? Wow!

More importantly the picture on the monk's desk showed him and the white haired woman from desmond's earlier flash back. The Lady from the Store where he tried to buy Penny a ring.

What's the connection?

shoudl've seen that coming!So a rescue/search chopper was sent BY Penny or her dad?!?!?

Wow. It's epsiodes like this that keep me watching Lost. Awesome job overall. Desmond's backstory actually seems to get more interesting each time. An ex-army, ex-monk, world sailor, psychic. Well, if there's ever a Heroes cross-over, we know where it will come in.

My guess on the pilot is that she was sent as a "scout" on behalf of Penny. Although it seems that the island does have the effect of just tearing up aircraft.

When the pilot was shown hanging in the tree, did anybody else suddenly have flashbacks to reading "Lord of the Flies"?

It seems like I'm rambling now. I guess I haven't been this excited after a Lost episode in a while. I'll stop now.

got the popping on comcast in Richmond VA also...HD feed only, not SD. Strange

Also got the annoying popping sound via over the air HD.

Yeah, when the picture glanced by the photograph I knew it must have some significance so I rewound the dvr and recognized "the oracle" immediately. Awesome episode again!

Comcast Boston here in southern NH had the pops too. I missed Kate's underwear trying to adjust the 5.1

Wow. It's epsiodes like this that keep me watching Lost. Awesome job overall. Desmond's backstory actually seems to get more interesting each time. An ex-army, ex-monk, world sailor, psychic. Well, if there's ever a Heroes cross-over, we know where it will come in.

My guess on the pilot is that she was sent as a "scout" on behalf of Penny. Although it seems that the island does have the effect of just tearing up aircraft.

When the pilot was shown hanging in the tree, did anybody else suddenly have flashbacks to reading "Lord of the Flies"?

It seems like I'm rambling now. I guess I haven't been this excited after a Lost episode in a while. I'll stop now.

Funny you should mention that. Chiller on D* was just showing Lord of the Flies today. I didn't watch too much of it, but the opening scenes of the plane crash survivors on the beach, then exploring the island, and then Jack spotting the boar were just too familiar!

At least now we know why Desmond keeps calling everyone "brotha".

Comcast Boston here in southern NH had the pops too. I missed Kate's underwear trying to adjust the 5.1

Sorry they are resized from 1280 to 1024 for Photobucket.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t305/kaadray/kate1.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t305/kaadray/kate2.jpg

*licks screen*

:eek: :D

If I was in Sawyer's place, I would have been like...ouch that hurts, but look what I get to play with and said screw it...:D

Also got the annoying popping sound via over the air HD.

Me too. Must have affected everyone watching.

Me too. Must have affected everyone watching.

I get two ABC channels.
Both of them had the popping sounds.
I wonder if we will ever hear what caused it.

Got the irritating clicks watching via OTA (WRTVDT-6). Maybe we'll get an encore again next week sans the popping. Good ep, BTW; Desmond is the new Eko. His flashbacks rulez.


PS: If I were Charlie, I'd stay clear of Dez.

Did you see kate in those underwear? Wow!

Anyone still think Juliet is better? ;)

I know some of you will, but I'll stick with Kate.

The book he found in the backpack with the picture inside is the portuguese version of Catch-22. So we can probably say the parachute woman is from somewhere that speaks portuguese. Which might be expected since the two arctic guys at the end of Season 2 who found the electromagnetic signal/island location were speaking brazilian portuguese from what I remember. I guess Penny just really likes portuguese-speaking folks.

Easter egg or important? The older woman from the previous Desmond ep - the "oracle" shopkeeper, well she's in the picture with the monk guy from tonight:

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/4117/bscap0yu5.jpg

Easter egg or important? The older woman from the previous Desmond ep - the "oracle" shopkeeper, well she's in the picture with the monk guy from tonight:

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/4117/bscap0yu5.jpg

I think it's important. It wasn't just an easter egg--the camera actually briefly lingered (if that isn't an oxymoron) on the picture. Enough that I noticed something slightly odd about the filmmaking, figured it had something to do with the picture, and went back to see what the picture actually was.

Easter egg or important? The older woman from the previous Desmond ep - the "oracle" shopkeeper, well she's in the picture with the monk guy from tonight:

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/4117/bscap0yu5.jpg

1) Important
2) Already discussed :)

that was probably one of my favorite episode of this season. It got back to old school Lost. Dumping the pretentiousness for entertaining character interaction and throwing in an actual mystery that didn't involve just Ben being purposefully evasive.

Sawyer had some great lines tonight, and Kate ... well that's already been discussed. :)

The only thing I didn't like about this episode was the opening. I didn't expect Charlie to get speared so that was a good shock, but as soon as he died I knew that it was just another premonition and that he wouldn't die later on. Especially when they encountered the trap but still had unfulfilled premonition elements left. They should have ended the opening sequence with Charlie alive and just skewered. That way there would have been some tension around his survival.

The pilot was obviously an Apple employee, because she was using a prototype iPhone by the looks of it..

Desmond's first Irish girlfriend was smokin hot........but she is so young I thought it was happening years ago when he was younger. But soon enough he meets Penny who seems to be like twice her age.

I had the popping sounds too in Tampa. And right before the popping ended, the volume went down a bit and it got a bit scratchy, like someone was wiggling a connector.. Also the whole episode had audio dropouts every few seconds (like listening to an old audio cassette). When the local news came on, the audio was fine.

Anyone still think Juliet is better? ;)

I know some of you will, but I'll stick with Kate.
Well, of course, there is much more to a woman than her underwear. :D

I had the popping sounds too in Tampa. And right before the popping ended, the volume went down a bit and it got a bit scratchy, like someone was wiggling a connector.. Also the whole episode had audio dropouts every few seconds (like listening to an old audio cassette). When the local news came on, the audio was fine.

I'll just add that because of the audio difficulties during that one stretch, I tried turning on Closed Captions, and they didn't come up. Must not have been "tied" to the broadcast last night somehow.

They better quickly address that satellite phone. Dead batteries ain't gonna cut it. A power source can be improvised, especially if a hike to the Other's abandoned summer camp is needed. Even without the hike, there are things that can be done.

The popping sounds seemed to be in realistic 5.1 sound, which scared the crap out of me since I though some machine in my house was going berserk. I had to temporarily mute the sound just to make sure, even though I could not think of any possible candidates. ;)

- Tom

Anyone still think Juliet is better? ;)

I know some of you will, but I'll stick with Kate.
Yes, because Juliet has these things called hips. ;)

Yes, because Juliet has these things called hips. ;)

Maybe we should start a separate thread/poll:

Kate or Juliet

:D

I'm definitely in the Kate camp!

Send me to Kate camp!

What was the name of the monks vineyard? They focused on the label on one of the bottles, I was going to google it today, was it "Moriah Vineyard"

Desmond's first Irish girlfriend was smokin hot........but she is so young I thought it was happening years ago when he was younger. But soon enough he meets Penny who seems to be like twice her age.

The year stamped on the wine crates they were loading into Penny's car at the end was 1989.

They better quickly address that satellite phone. Dead batteries ain't gonna cut it. A power source can be improvised, especially if a hike to the Other's abandoned summer camp is needed. Even without the hike, there are things that can be done.
I liked Charlie's line when the subject came up:

Hurley: "The battery's dead"

Charlie: "Of course it is..."

See Post #22205 - it took less than 90 minutes from the end of the show for someone (NetworkTV) to suggest that.

Which is about 89 minutes longer than it should've taken. ;)
In my defense, I was watching "Medium" delayed first, then I watched "Lost". Otherwise, I'd have had it before the end of the show... ;)

The year stamped on the wine crates they were loading into Penny's car at the end was 1989.

They could have been buying an older vintage. I thought when they were labeling the bottles, the year said 1995 or 1997.

Yes, because Juliet has these things called hips. ;)

Not even her most impressive asset(s). ;)

Hmm Kate better watch out. Might be like the teen slasher movies - do it and you die.
Only if you do it with Sayid....which means Jack may possibly be safe...

Interesting episode...
Dessi gets down with the bru-thas; gotta luv Desmond episodes
Kate in underwear
Kate gets wicked needy and robs Sawyer of 'essential bodily fluids'
We get to see the frakin' Hobbit die horribly, not just once but time and again
Any episode with Penny is worth watching
The island obeys the Law of Conservation of Babes - one gets killed, another appears to take her place!

The island obeys the Law of Conservation of Babes - one gets killed, another appears to take her place!
It's like they grow on trees...

Just climb up and cut a new one down........I gotta get me one of those "Babe Trees".

;)

The problem with Juliet is that she is hunch shouldered. Seeing her in a tank top is not very flattering.

I almost wonder if the Kate underwear scenes are a model? That is quite common in hollywood.

Why is Hurley not losing any weight while on the island?

The problem with Juliet is that she is hunch shouldered. Seeing her in a tank top is not very flattering.

I almost wonder if the Kate underwear scenes are a model? That is quite common in hollywood.

Why is Hurley not losing any weight while on the island?

Well, Kayt was a model in a previous career path...

As far as Hurley, there hasn't been a shortage of food with the Dharma drops, the wild boar and such. In addition, when you're as big as he is, it's hard to slim down until you lose a whole lot of weight. Even 20 pounds isn't going to look like much. In addition, without a lot of toning exercises, he's still going to be kind of flabby until things tighten up to the new smaller body.

Does anyone have a cap of the monk behind his desk when Desmond is returning his clothes? I thought for sure the monk had darma logo eyes.

I'm watching this on Cox cable in Williamsburg, VA. Did anybody else in the area get some kind of annoying popping sound about ten minutes into the episode? It was damn annoying, but I don't recall having heard it before.



Popped on E* in Dallas as well. It was very distracting.

Did you see kate in those underwear? Wow!

More importantly the picture on the monk's desk showed him and the white haired woman from desmond's earlier flash back. The Lady from the Store where he tried to buy Penny a ring.

What's the connection?

Nice catch for everyone that caught that...I missed it :-(

Did you see kate in those underwear? Wow!



Nice Season One flashback there :-)

At least now we know why Desmond keeps calling everyone "brotha".


I laughed at that too...

I almost wonder if the Kate underwear scenes are a model? That is quite common in hollywood.




Well her beach scene in Season One was all her in nothing but panties and bra...so why would she have a body double now?

I'm watching this on Cox cable in Williamsburg, VA. Did anybody else in the area get some kind of annoying popping sound about ten minutes into the episode? It was damn annoying, but I don't recall having heard it before....


I got it here in Dallas,TX wfaa ch.8-1 (HD). Pissed me off because i flipped to the SD version and of course it was when kate was getting dressed as sawyer peeked in. curse you annoying popping sound!!!!! that being said...(edit: just saw the priors posted, THX!)

I laughed at that too...

And the show is attacked for not answering questions!

Edit-(The quote left out the comment regarding knowing why Desmond always says Brotha)

Yes, the eye-candy shot was reminiscent of the early episode. The producers' attention to detail is commendable: the bra looked the same, but slightly discolored in last night's episode. Go ahead and berate me for noticing that of all things, but this is Lost we're talking about...

As for the pilot in the "babe-tree," I suspect Penny employed her in her overall search for Desmond. That's why she had the picture of P&D with her: so she'd recognize him if she found him.

Did you see kate in those underwear? Wow!

More importantly the picture on the monk's desk showed him and the white haired woman from desmond's earlier flash back. The Lady from the Store where he tried to buy Penny a ring.

What's the connection?

YES!

Did you notice how incredibly 'fake' it looked as well. That was definitely just a super imposed image of the two on a background (I don't believe they were even taken together...just two random pictures of them slapped onto a pictured background).

And, who knows :).

So, who is the girl that dropped out of the sky. Desmond was sure it was Penny. Or does it not matter who she is, but what she knows? She is still alive isnt she?

I got it here in Dallas,TX wfaa ch.8-1 (HD). Pissed me off because i flipped to the SD version and of course it was when kate was getting dressed as sawyer peeked in. curse you annoying popping sound!!!!! that being said...(edit: just saw the priors posted, THX!)

Popping noise was in Nashville over Comcast cable too.

They could have been buying an older vintage. I thought when they were labeling the bottles, the year said 1995 or 1997.Yep. Had to be an older vintage, as the bottles Dez was labeling had '95 stamped on them.

Popping noise was in Nashville over Comcast cable too.

I think that we have enough evidence that the popping noise was heard all over the country on satellite, cable and OTA.

Enough with the popping noises!

;)

As for the pilot in the "babe-tree," I suspect Penny employed her in her overall search for Desmond. That's why she had the picture of P&D with her: so she'd recognize him if she found him.

So the babe pilot was what, bait to attract Desmond? :)

So the babe pilot was what, bait to attract Desmond? :)

No, Desmond has eyes only for his true love, Penelope Purebred. :p But the Portugese chick was probably working for Penny in some capacity.

If she indeed bailed out of a helicopter (How do you do that? Dive quickly I guess...), then there has to be a ship close by as helicopters are relatively short hop aircraft. Might Penny be aboard?

Well, Kayt was a model in a previous career path...




... for video game accessories and as a "party girl" on one of those late night 800 # party lines. No one is safe from the internets! LOL

Great episode. No buts - except Kate's. :)

Maybe the reason they need the submarine to come and go is there is some sort of helicopter whacking force field just off shore. If that's true, Michael and Walt didnt make it too far in their boat.

If she indeed bailed out of a helicopter (How do you do that? Dive quickly I guess...), then there has to be a ship close by as helicopters are relatively short hop aircraft. Might Penny be aboard?

No reason someone couldn't jump out of what I presume to be a military-style helicopter. Open that big sliding door. Coast Guard rescue divers do that from a low hover, so I'm sure someone could parachute from a higher hover.

What was odd, though, was the sounds of the helicopter. Apparently it came into its own little case of Lost Island Bermuda Triangle distress and crashed into the water, but the jumper lady managed to jump out over the actual island only to get caught up and injured in the tree canopy.

So the babe pilot was what, bait to attract Desmond? :)
No, my idea was that the Fruit of the Babe-Tree (hereafter to be known as FBT) was a pilot hired by Penny--one of several people employed to help search for Desmond. "There's nobody you can't find if you spend enough money."

I think that we have enough evidence that the popping noise was heard all over the country on satellite, cable and OTA.

Enough with the popping noises! ;)
If it makes you all feel any better, we heard the popping noise too, and we don't even get a television feed here on Lost Island. Guess it must be indigenous. :rolleyes:

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Desmond

I think that we have enough evidence that the popping noise was heard all over the country on satellite, cable and OTA.

Enough with the popping noises!

;)

No popping noise interference from Comcast (Fresno, CA market), so I'd imagine none OTA or from D* (who carries Fresno network HD via sat).

Sure to be a incorrect word for word quote, but the best dialogue was Sawyer talking to Jack and Juliet.

"Sorry, did I interrupt you playing Who's your favorite Other".

I have read speculation on here previously that next season maybe the last, but now I'm hearing coworkers say that they have heard that it is for certain. Does anyone know for sure? Has ABC made an official announcement (links)?

No popping noise interference from Comcast (Fresno, CA market), so I'd imagine none OTA or from D* (who carries Fresno network HD via sat).

Maybe they fixed the west coast feed?

How about Sensitive Sawyer? Kate throws herself on him, advising him not to talk, but just do it (a la Nike). He later sees Jack (soon to earn the Sawyer nickname "Romeo," doubtless) and Juliet, then has to figure out if Kate may have just been upset for having also seen those two. He couldn't just appreciate his luck; he wanted Kate to want him for himself...ain't that sweet?

I have read speculation on here previously that next season maybe the last, but now I'm hearing coworkers say that they have heard that it is for certain. Does anyone know for sure? Has ABC made an official announcement (links)?
I won't be upset if next season is the last, or if they go for a fifth. I just want it to be deliberate and well-planned. This series does not deserve the fate of sudden cancellation without time for resolution.

Sure to be a incorrect word for word quote, but the best dialogue was Sawyer talking to Jack and Juliet.

"Sorry, did I interrupt you playing Who's your favorite Other".
LOL! That was a good line!

Guess I'm in the minority here, but last night's episode stank of 'padding' (and no, I'm not referring to Kate's undergarments). They most have showed Desmond's same vision flash like 7 or 8 times. Did that really add anything to the story? And the flashbacks did little to flesh out D's story, unless the final episode reveals that this entire series occurred during Desmond's monastic wine stupor. It felt like the whole purpose of it was to sneak in the photo of jewelry lady to get us spinning our wheels on another enigma.

The only thing that seemed to move the plot forward was a further explanation of the Desmond/Penny relationship, and how it might lead to the castaways rescue.

Oh wait a minute! That's how they ended the last season too. Can't wait to see what minor changes they add for the season 4 finale with a similar theme. :p

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Palladin

Chance favors the prepared mind

My speculation on the helicopter and the pilot is that she was sent by Penny to find Desmond. The picture in the book could be used to identify Desmond and to prove that Penny is supporting this pilot. (Same as what IAM4UK wrote)

I am not exactly sure why there are two copies of the same photo. I thought the picture was taken at some street carnival by a roaming photographer. Are there two because Desmond went back in time and kept the photograph from the 2nd encounter?

My speculation on the helicopter and the pilot is that she was sent by Penny to find Desmond. The picture in the book could be used to identify Desmond and to prove that Penny is supporting this pilot. (Same as what IAM4UK wrote)

I am not exactly sure why there are two copies of the same photo. I thought the picture was taken at some street carnival by a roaming photographer. Are there two because Desmond went back in time and kept the photograph from the 2nd encounter?
Have you really never ordered duplicates?

Guess I'm in the minority here, but last night's episode stank of 'padding' (and no, I'm not referring to Kate's undergarments). They most have showed Desmond's same vision flash like 7 or 8 times. Did that really add anything to the story? And the flashbacks did little to flesh out D's story, unless the final episode reveals that this entire series occurred during Desmond's monastic wine stupor. It felt like the whole purpose of it was to sneak in the photo of jewelry lady to get us spinning our wheels on another enigma.

The only thing that seemed to move the plot forward was a further explanation of the Desmond/Penny relationship, and how it might lead to the castaways rescue.

Oh wait a minute! That's how they ended the last season too. Can't wait to see what minor changes they add for the season 4 finale with a similar theme. :p

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Palladin

Chance favors the prepared mind

did you watch the same episode that we did ? When did we ever see a Desmond flashback that included the lights in the sky, the pilot in the tree and Charlie killed by the dagger in the throat ?

Also, we see that someone on the outside, most likely Penny, sent someone in to find Desmond, as seen my the picture of D&P in the novel, and the Pilot knew his name.

So there was plenty in last night's episode that advanced the story ...

Those popping noises had me concerned that I blew a speaker.

As for the parachutist, either Charlie or Hurley (I forget) correctly pointed out that "You can't eject from a helicopter." My theory is that this girl was not the pilot. The helicopter flew in with the intention of dropping her off. She lept out first and then the helicopter crashed afterwards, most likely killing its pilot.

I liked Charlie's line when the subject came up:

Hurley: "The battery's dead"

Charlie: "Of course it is..."

I could have sworn the phone display said "internal error" when it was powered up. Any screen caps of the phone? Perhaps, Hurley assumed it was a battery problem but really it was broken in the fall.

did you watch the same episode that we did ? When did we ever see a Desmond flashback that included the lights in the sky, the pilot in the tree and Charlie killed by the dagger in the throat ?

Also, we see that someone on the outside, most likely Penny, sent someone in to find Desmond, as seen my the picture of D&P in the novel, and the Pilot knew his name.

So there was plenty in last night's episode that advanced the story ...
I dunno about you, but I saw it at least 5 times.

Did anyone notice the picture on the desk of the head Monk? Pretty sure I've seen the lady standing next to him before. Pretty bad Photoshop job too.

I could have sworn the phone display said "internal error" when it was powered up. Any screen caps of the phone? Perhaps, Hurley assumed it was a battery problem but really it was broken in the fall.

Either way it was pretty hi-tech phone for 2004.

did you watch the same episode that "WE" did ?
I don't know whether you think you are channeling Queen Victoria, or speaking on behalf of the entire forum, but you clearly missed my point, so I'll try to clarify it further.
When did we ever see a Desmond flashback that included the lights in the sky, the pilot in the tree and Charlie killed by the dagger in the throa? ?
Umm, who cares, as it doesn't enhance or make any difference to the overall progress of the story? We already knew that Desmond was saving Charlie already, rather fruitlessly, as he was destined to die in some other way if saved anyway. What do you thing the repetitive "Charlie, you're going to die" during this season was referring to?? And the 'flash-forwards' that you are categorizing as 'flashbacks', what do they bring to the table? That a rescue effort was being attempted by Penny for Desmond? How was that unanticipated?
Also, we see that someone on the outside, most likely Penny, sent someone in to find Desmond, as seen my the picture of D&P in the novel, and the Pilot knew his name.
Did you actually see the last episode of Season 2? Once the energy pulse was targeted by Penny's team, and they said they had located it, did you think she was just going to leave him there without attempting a rescue. Wow, and it only took a year of episodes to get to the attempt (which so far, may not even yet be successful).
So there was plenty in last night's episode that advanced the story
Really? I can only guess you were blessed with the ability to see flash-forwards of future episodes, because last night's episode introduced nothing unexpected, other than the unlikely possibility that Penny had radical plastic surgery. :rolleyes:

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I could have sworn the phone display said "internal error" when it was powered up. Any screen caps of the phone? Perhaps, Hurley assumed it was a battery problem but really it was broken in the fall.

Here: http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/04/sat-phone.html


tim

Did you actually see the last episode of Season 2? Once the energy pulse was targeted by Penny's team, and they said they had located it, did you think she was just going to leave him there without attempting a rescue. Wow, and it only took a year of episodes to get to the attempt (which so far, may not even yet be successful).


in Lost time that's only about two weeks. It just feels like a year. So that's a pretty quick rescue mission all told, especially trying to find an invisible island.

Maybe they fixed the west coast feed?
Comcast San Francisco audio was perfect.

I think that we have enough evidence that the popping noise was heard all over the country on satellite, cable and OTA.

Enough with the popping noises!

;)

AAAAAAAAAH. Wrong. No popping noises OTA in San Francisco area. Hope you didn't make that a true Daily Double. ;)

Sure to be a incorrect word for word quote, but the best dialogue was Sawyer talking to Jack and Juliet.

"Sorry, did I interrupt you playing Who's your favorite Other".

That was a great line.

I liked it when Jack asked where the ping pong table came from. Sawyer says it fell from the sky during the purple haze and came from the hatch. "Yeah, we have to play on it every 108 minutes or the island blows up."

That was pretty good, too.

Comcast San Francisco audio was perfect.
Yeah, the west coast appears to have been spared the popping sounds. The ocean sounds were so convincing, I thought I was hearing cars driving through a rainstorm outside.

Those popping noises had me concerned that I blew a speaker.

As for the parachutist, either Charlie or Hurley (I forget) correctly pointed out that "You can't eject from a helicopter." My theory is that this girl was not the pilot. The helicopter flew in with the intention of dropping her off. She lept out first and then the helicopter crashed afterwards, most likely killing its pilot.
I had popping noises here on the east coast via OTA

in Lost time that's only about two weeks. It just feels like a year.
Sure, that's why I was careful to say "a year of episodes', as opposed to 'a year'.

So that's a pretty quick rescue mission all told, especially trying to find an invisible island.
I'm not so sure, in light of Penny's resources and as the monitoring team were able to get a fairly accurate fix on the location of the source.

But honestly, did you think it would take an entire year in 'our time' before the whole subject of Penny's rescue would ever be raised again with the viewing audience?

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I don't know whether you think you are channeling Queen Victoria, or speaking on behalf of the entire forum, but you clearly missed my point, so I'll try to clarify it further.

Umm, who cares, as it doesn't enhance or make any difference to the overall progress of the story? We already knew that Desmond was saving Charlie already, rather fruitlessly, as he was destined to die in some other way if saved anyway. What do you thing the repetitive "Charlie, you're going to die" during this season was referring to?? And the 'flash-forwards' that you are categorizing as 'flashbacks', what do they bring to the table? That a rescue effort was being attempted by Penny for Desmond? How was that unanticipated?

Did you actually see the last episode of Season 2? Once the energy pulse was targeted by Penny's team, and they said they had located it, did you think she was just going to leave him there without attempting a rescue. Wow, and it only took a year of episodes to get to the attempt (which so far, may not even yet be successful).

Really? I can only guess you were blessed with the ability to see flash-forwards of future episodes, because last night's episode introduced nothing unexpected, other than the unlikely possibility that Penny had radical plastic surgery. :rolleyes:

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To each his own, I guess. I loved last night's episode. It was entertaining, advanced the plot (enough for me, I guess), was intriguing, funny, entertaining, and didn't leave me scratching my head about how dumb the Losties are.

But that's just my opinion.

I'm not so sure, in light of Penny's resources and as the monitoring team were able to get a fairly accurate fix on the location of the source.

But honestly, did you think it would take an entire year in 'our time' before the whole subject of Penny's rescue would ever be raised again with the viewing audience?


Yes, I'm used to Lost skipping over storylines for months and months so the massive gap between the last mention of it and now isn't a big surprise. I've lost (haha) track of how many plot threads are left dangling in the background. The numbers, the cave bodies, the hatch implosion, the jungle whispers, Michael and Walt, the statue, the dig, the mind wipe theater, etc.

They only managed to get a fix on the island last time because of the brief malfunction. If what Ben says is still true then the island is back to messing around with navigation and detection equipment.

As for the parachutist, either Charlie or Hurley (I forget) correctly pointed out that "You can't eject from a helicopter." My theory is that this girl was not the pilot. The helicopter flew in with the intention of dropping her off. She lept out first and then the helicopter crashed afterwards, most likely killing its pilot.
I prefer your theory to my own, Josh; however, FBT was wearing a helmet, mask, and flight suit very similar to what a pilot would wear, and not what someone along for the ride intending to parachute out of the aircraft would wear.

Did anyone notice the picture on the desk of the head Monk? Pretty sure I've seen the lady standing next to him before. Pretty bad Photoshop job too.
Nope, nobody noticed it and posted before you. You're the first. Good job. ;)

I had popping noises here on the east coast via OTA
Alright, enough with the damn popping noises. We get it, everyone heard them except for the west coast.

Nope, nobody noticed it and posted before you. You're the first. Good job. ;)


Alright, enough with the damn popping noises. We get it, everyone heard them except for the west coast.
Popping Noises TWC NY! ;)

The picture of the oracle might just be where that womens image got stuck in Desmonds mind from. so thats who he imagined when he dreamed that he was back in the past. (if he did not actually time travel)
Jake

Easter egg or important? The older woman from the previous Desmond ep - the "oracle" shopkeeper, well she's in the picture with the monk guy from tonight:

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/4117/bscap0yu5.jpg
OT, but what is the deal with terrible-looking Photoshopped pictures on TV shows?

I prefer your theory to my own, Josh; however, FBT was wearing a helmet, mask, and flight suit very similar to what a pilot would wear, and not what someone along for the ride intending to parachute out of the aircraft would wear.

I don't remember if the suit had any markings but similar kit could be for a HALO/HAHO jump and not pilot gear.

She could have jumped at the correct point and the helicopter then got into trouble as she was falling.

I don't remember if the suit had any markings but similar kit could be for a HALO/HAHO jump and not pilot gear.

She could have jumped at the correct point and the helicopter then got into trouble as she was falling.

I was just about to mention this...I think it looked more like a HALO suit (and this might be a stretch) that Snake uses in Metal Gear Solid 3 (yes its a video game but a really realistic vg :))...Also, I wouldn't think you'd need a full suit like that to fly a helicopter...I mean, that looked like it was used for high altitudes...

so in fact, the helicopter and the woman might be totally coincidental...and not connected

I liked the episode a lot. Some of the good moments:

- Hurley (paraphrasing) : Dude, everyone likes marshmelllows

- The Hurley-Charlie debate about the Flash/Superman contest was hilareous to me (at least the first time I heard it)

- Sawyers comments mentioned in other posts above were great, as always

Advancement of plot or not, I liked it. Hope they keep it going :)


Edit: One more great moment: Jin's campfire story. I thought that was really great.

Nope, nobody noticed it and posted before you. You're the first. Good job. ;)



Guess I didn't go far enough back to read the discussion about it....my bad.
No need to be a cocky little smartass about it though.

Yes, I'm used to Lost skipping over storylines for months and months so the massive gap between the last mention of it and now isn't a big surprise. I've lost (haha) track of how many plot threads are left dangling in the background. The numbers, the cave bodies, the hatch implosion, the jungle whispers, Michael and Walt, the statue, the dig, the mind wipe theater, etc.
Huih?? All those things you’ve mentioned have already been resolved! Don’t tell me you missed the announcement that they were shifting into the 10:00 p.m. slot for this season. :D

To each his own, I guess. I loved last night's episode…
But that's just my opinion.
Of course. I hate to think that anyone here (including myself) regards their interpretation as fact. Like I said, I was probably in the minority on this ep. Me, I was busy tracking the time signature of the popping noises, and trying to decipher their subliminal code. ;)

I guess I’m just looking down the road of only a few new episodes left, followed by a long hiatus, and hoping they’ll come up with more of a slam-bang cliffhanger than whether or not Sun will be able to conceive, or Charlie buys the farm.

I liked the episode a lot. Some of the good moments:

The Hurley-Charlie debate about the Flash/Superman contest was hilareous to me (at least the first time I heard it)
Well, as long as we can all agree that Flash would take it hands down. :cool:

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I assume the same thing that shut down the others satellite communications may be affecting this satellite phone. Whatever was unleashed during the hatch implosion, it wasn't a one time EMP event.
As for the helicopter finding the island, well I guess it is no longer invisible because it was found on purpose. To me it's almost like the island has some layers of security designed to keep it invisble to the outside world. Probably to keep whatever unmentionable horror from making it's way into the rest of the world. But the sound that the helicopter made during it's crash sounded more like the engine just failed. It wasn't like it was attacked.

Guess I didn't go far enough back to read the discussion about it....my bad.
No need to be a cocky little smartass about it though.


The ;) means that he was being funny, not a smartass.

Huih?? All those things you’ve mentioned have already been resolved!


You're kidding right?

The ;) means that he was being funny, not a smartass.
Could be...............just seems like a lot of folks on this forum nowadays have a smart response for everyone.

You're kidding right?
Heck, no. They really did move Lost to the 10:00 p.m. spot. ;)

Ergo...the smiley

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Didn't they mention that it would be daylight in about 2 hours when they saw the parachute beacon? So that means it would be about 4am or so. A long range helicopter can fly for maybe 3 to 4 hours, why would they send someone out for a "rescue" after midnight. To me it sounded like the helicopter was running on vapors, did it run out of fuel on it's long trek, if so then it sounds like it was meant to be a one way trip for the helicopter.

Could be...............just seems like a lot of folks on this forum nowadays have a smart response for everyone.

Amen ..

Heck, no. They really did move Lost to the 10:00 p.m. spot. ;)


I edited the previous quote so you couldn't make that joke!

Dammit. :rolleyes:

Great episode. No buts - except Kate's. :)

Maybe the reason they need the submarine to come and go is there is some sort of helicopter whacking force field just off shore. If that's true, Michael and Walt didnt make it too far in their boat.Keep in mind, when Ethan and Co transported Juliette to the island in the sub they strapped her down and told her after the fact that they needed to do it because "It gets a little rough at the end" (or something like that). So it would seem that even the sub is affected by *whatever it is*, but maybe not to the same degree due to being underwater maybe?



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So there was plenty in last night's episode that advanced the story


Really? I can only guess you were blessed with the ability to see flash-forwards of future episodes, because last night's episode introduced nothing unexpected, other than the unlikely possibility that Penny had radical plastic surgery.Why does something have to be "unexpected" to advance the story? The simple fact that the Losties themselves found out that *someone* was actively looking for them, and in the right location, advanced the story quite a bit. They didn't get the little teaser at the end of the season finale last year like we did you know ;).


But honestly, did you think it would take an entire year in 'our time' before the whole subject of Penny's rescue would ever be raised again with the viewing audience?It didn't surprise me in the least. What does surprise me is that people would expect anything else really. It not a movie. It's an ongoing TV show. Once they're "found" it's the beginning of the end... Just as they couldn't give up any of the *big* island secrets too quickly, neither could they have the Losties tracked down too soon either. It seemed to me that the season ender with the guys picking up the magnetic anomaly and reporting it to Penny was simply a way to alert viewers that Penny was actively looking for them, and now had a clue where to look. I really didn't expect that they would revisit it, in any detail at least, until later this season. If anything, they advanced that story line with last night's ep a little further than I thought they would. Because of that, for me, the attempt to create dramatic tension with the "unhelmeting" fell pretty flat because I never really thought it might be Pen. Since that seemed to be the big point, the whole ep lacked real zip for me.

Did we actually hear Sawyer giving a shout out to our dear departed, er, long unseen Bernard last night when he gave the "mix tape" to Kate?


ron

Yeah the mix tape line was great. :D

I think there are two main reasons why people are nervous about whether or not an episode has "advanced the story" enough. The first danger is that serialized series sometimes get cancelled without resolution. The second is that some serialized series actually have no plans for resolution but will just stumble on as long as the ratings will let them.

We can all think of examples in both categories. To say it couldn't happen to Lost is not a statement of fact.

Did we actually hear Sawyer giving a shout out to our dear departed, er, long unseen Bernard last night when he gave the "mix tape" to Kate?


ron

Yes, I got a kick out of that. 'Best of Phil Collins" :-)

Didn't they mention that it would be daylight in about 2 hours when they saw the parachute beacon? So that means it would be about 4am or so. A long range helicopter can fly for maybe 3 to 4 hours, why would they send someone out for a "rescue" after midnight. To me it sounded like the helicopter was running on vapors, did it run out of fuel on it's long trek, if so then it sounds like it was meant to be a one way trip for the helicopter.

Good theory, I like it.

Regarding helicopter ejection seats I found this:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/vvs/ka50-01.htm

"The Ka-50 is fitted with the world’s first helicopter emergency rescue system (the K-37 ejection seat, rocket-operated parachute system, jettisonable main rotor blades) intended to safely eject the pilot in flight and at the ground."

I think there are two main reasons why people are nervous about whether or not an episode has "advanced the story" enough. The first danger is that serialized series sometimes get cancelled without resolution. The second is that some serialized series actually have no plans for resolution but will just stumble on as long as the ratings will let them.

We can all think of examples in both categories. To say it couldn't happen to Lost is not a statement of fact.

Steve you hit it on the head. I'm a huge fan of Lost and I agree with you. I've been burned through both of those scenarios.

I think with Lost the situation is that a lot of us have been burned too many and are just too cautious now to fully let our heart go even though it's something that's really cool and we really like.


But this is the year for the Cubs!!!! ;)


tim

Have you really never ordered duplicates?

Only with pictures that I take with my own camera. I am pretty sure the photo came from a guy on the street taking instant pictures for money.

It was shown in previous eps that Penny already had a copy of the photo. Wasn't it sitting next to her bed on the table at the end of season 2?

Yes, I got a kick out of that. 'Best of Phil Collins" :-)That Bernard's one hip dude :).

It's nice to see them at least making occasional references to some of the peripheral characters even if they are not actively in the story lines. So I guess we can assume Rose and Bernard are just happy to be back together and are always out having picnics on the beach and enjoying each other's company at this point. Given the recent revelations on the island let's just hope that if they're getting "frisky" out there that they're being, uh, careful. Speaking of which, now Kate's had at least two chances to get knocked up :eek:


ron

I was just about to mention this...I think it looked more like a HALO suit (and this might be a stretch) that Snake uses in Metal Gear Solid 3 (yes its a video game but a really realistic vg :))...Also, I wouldn't think you'd need a full suit like that to fly a helicopter...I mean, that looked like it was used for high altitudes...

so in fact, the helicopter and the woman might be totally coincidental...and not connected

I am usually in the camp that there is usually a Lost-based reason for all the little details of the show that we discuss. However, in this case I think that the suit that the woman was wearing was to completely cover her face and body so that it would be more dramatic. Instead of being able to tell that it wasn't Penny hanging from the tree, we find out as Desmond is holding her in his arms and removing the mask.

I think we are supposed to disregard that the garb she had on wouldn't exactly be appropriate given that she parachuted from the helicopter at a low enough altitude not to need assistance for breathing. But I guess we don't know for sure yet. Just my opinion.

That Bernard's one hip dude :).

It's nice to see them at least making occasional references to some of the peripheral characters even if they are not actively in the story lines. So I guess we can assume Rose and Bernard are just happy to be back together and are always out having picnics on the beach and enjoying each other's company at this point. Given the recent revelations on the island let's just hope that if they're getting "frisky" out there that they're being, uh, careful. Speaking of which, now Kate's had at least two chances to get knocked up :eek:


ron


I'm guessing that the writers went out of their way to mention Benard for the first time in weeks because we are going to see him (and maybe Rose) again very soon. That way we are used to the fact that they are around even if we haven't seen them and it is a smoother transition from no Benard/Rose to Benard/Rose major role again in a future episode(s).

Yeah the mix tape line was great. :D

I think there are two main reasons why people are nervous about whether or not an episode has "advanced the story" enough. The first danger is that serialized series sometimes get cancelled without resolution. The second is that some serialized series actually have no plans for resolution but will just stumble on as long as the ratings will let them.

We can all think of examples in both categories. To say it couldn't happen to Lost is not a statement of fact.

All true for sure. But I think more than this, I care more about enjoying the ride than the ultimate resolution, plot points, or advancement thereof at a given time. I want to be entertained each week. That's what is important to me. If an episode is well written and engaging, I am happy. Whether that episode advanced the plot a lot or a little is secondary to me.

What you state above is definitely true. However, with LOST I don't judge how good or bad an episode is by whether it advanced the story. For me it's all about the journey :)

I think we are supposed to disregard that the garb she had on wouldn't exactly be appropriate given that she parachuted from the helicopter at a low enough altitude not to need assistance for breathing. But I guess we don't know for sure yet. Just my opinion.

of course we are all assuming it was a helicopter because Hurley said so.

It could have been something else entirely, like ...

this!


http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content/trek-aerospace-efv4b.jpg

And we have no indication of from what height she jumped apart from the beacon. That didn't necessarily go active instatnly upon jumping.

Only with pictures that I take with my own camera. I am pretty sure the photo came from a guy on the street taking instant pictures for money.

Could be a color photocopy.

Holy S@#$, you guys kill me 5 pages before 4pm!!!! Amazing!! All I can say now is, dam they are letting us know a lot lately and it is only getting better. I have to say a little pray for the ones who gave up on this show because they are over the sophomore curse and they are finding it's legs heading into the last month. Next week, where is Locke & the Others? that wasn't Penny? was it? Can't wait.

Side point:
Did anyone experience Clicking during the second half hour? It sounded like someone was playing with that little toy that let out the click click click. Very annoying but at least the sound didn't shut down.

Now I am off to try and catch up on my reading. Later

Nope, nobody noticed it and posted before you. You're the first. Good job. ;)


Alright, enough with the damn popping noises. We get it, everyone heard them except for the west coast.

Well, actually, I heard it in Phoenix, AZ too. We get west coast feed.

It was shown in previous eps that Penny already had a copy of the photo. Wasn't it sitting next to her bed on the table at the end of season 2?

My guess is that's the very photo that flight-suit-chick had in her book. Penny gave it to her before she embarked on her mission.

We already knew that Desmond was saving Charlie already, rather fruitlessly, as he was destined to die in some other way if saved anyway. What do you thing the repetitive "Charlie, you're going to die" during this season was referring to?? And the 'flash-forwards' that you are categorizing as 'flashbacks', what do they bring to the table? That a rescue effort was being attempted by Penny for Desmond? How was that unanticipated?

I think you missed the point, which was that this time Desmond was willing to let Charlie die so as to not mess up the details of his vision. But he couldn't do it, and saved him at the last second. Thus he's going to blame himself for the fact that the girl in the parachute turned out to be someone other than Penny. Or blame Charlie.

Popping noise was in Nashville over Comcast cable too.
Judging by all the complaints, It is obvious it is an ABC problem. Just when you thought you would call the Cable/sat companies to complain. From shore to shore it seems like all of us experienced this phenomenon.
Maybe it was the aliens finally trying to contact us to see who would respond. We are so caugth up in watching this show that we didn't pay any mind to it and now the aliens decided to go to the next planet.

With the exception of the lightning rod incident, is it not Desmond who is getting Charlie into the situations where he will be killed?

Charlie wouldn't have followed Desmond from the forrest to the beach if he didn't go there first to pull Claire out of the water.

Charlie wouldn't be trying to pull the migrating bird from the rocky shore if Desmond hadn't scared the birds away from Claire's trap first.

Last night, Charlie wouldn't have been walking along the cable into Rousso's trap if he wasn't talked into going by Desmond first.

So, is there some strange thing going on where Desmond saves Charlie, but causes him to get into those situations first?

I might have to go re-watch the lightning-rod episode to see if Charlie would have been somewhere safe had it not been for something Desmond did.

I think you missed the point, which was that this time Desmond was willing to let Charlie die so as to not mess up the details of his vision. But he couldn't do it, and saved him at the last second. Thus he's going to blame himself for the fact that the girl in the parachute turned out to be someone other than Penny. Or blame Charlie.
No, I realized that possibility, but I give Desmond more credit for rational thinking once he comes out of the heat of the moment. The stupidest thing in the world Penny could have done was to be 'the girl in the parachute'. Penny was doing this to save Desmond, not to save Penny. If anything had happened to her, who would she have relied upon to carry out follow-up attempts at rescuing her beloved? Daddy?

Conversely, as I have no doubt that Desmond deeply loves and misses Penny, I wouldn't be surprised to see him attempt suicide if the girl in the parachute suit was Penny, and she drowned, was mortally injured, or died as a result of the attempt to rescue him.

Your turn :)

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My guess is that's the very photo that flight-suit-chick had in her book. Penny gave it to her before she embarked on her mission.
archiguy, her name is not "Flight-Suit-Chick," it's "Fruit of the Babe Tree," a.k.a. FBT. Please make a note of it. :)

The girl in the flight suit looked like a curly haired sex worker.

I hope I don't lose my job for saying that.

Yes, I got a kick out of that. 'Best of Phil Collins" :-)
You know, these cheap shot comments are really unwarranted. It so happens, not surprisingly, that there was a very, very limited supply of recording tape on Lost Island.

Fortunately, it still proved sufficient for a comprehensive collection of Phil Collins Greatest Hits. :D

Now aren’t some of you ashamed of yourselves. ;)


I think there are two main reasons why people are nervous about whether or not an episode has "advanced the story" enough. The first danger is that serialized series sometimes get cancelled without resolution. The second is that some serialized series actually have no plans for resolution but will just stumble on as long as the ratings will let them.

We can all think of examples in both categories. To say it couldn't happen to Lost is not a statement of fact.
Yes, those are definitely part of my concerns, and let me add another subset scenario to your list.

Lost is an extremely complex saga with many unresolved issues, as aptly demonstrated by VisionOn a few posts back. Its also a fairly costly show to produce due to the location shooting. (If you think Japan is overpriced, spend a three-week honeymoon in Hawaii like I did). Let's say another network counter-programs a new 'hot' hit show (like a 'Heroes', for example) and ABC strikes back by cancelling Lost with two weeks notice, and replacing it with say, 'Villians' (you get the idea).

How in hell are the Lost creative team ever going to wrap up most, let alone ALL, of the loose ends they've left lying around to tease and tantalize us within two episodes, without creating a mish-mosh that will insult the collective intelligence of their loyal viewers? IMO, its not possible, not even if they save half the resolutions for a 20th Anniversary reunion special in 2027. You sure can't pull it all together by having Richard Kimble track down the one-armed man. And it seems to me that the longer this series continues to run, the more extensive the final unraveling is sure to become, unless they just throw their arms up in the air and decide to nuke the island.

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You propose calling her CHSW? That's a bit much... ;)

Why hasn't ANYONE brought up the annoying clicking sounds? It's the elephant in the room noone wants to bring up! Was it a code? :-)

archiguy, her name is not "Flight-Suit-Chick," it's "Fruit of the Babe Tree," a.k.a. FBT. Please make a note of it. :)

I called her "Portuguese Chick" in an earlier post. Maybe she could be "HALO Chick"...? :) At any rate, anyone notice how much she looked like Rousseau's (and "Ben's") daughter Alex? Maybe it was just me...

I called her "Portuguese Chick" in an earlier post. Maybe she could be "HALO Chick"...? :) At any rate, anyone notice how much she looked like Rousseau's (and "Ben's") daughter Alex? Maybe it was just me...

Sex Worker Chick sounded like a good name....

Why hasn't ANYONE brought up the annoying clicking sounds? It's the elephant in the room noone wants to bring up! Was it a code? :-)
Yes, it was, here on the west coast every time you guys had an audio click, we got an answer to one of the Lost questions displayed on the screen. :)

I called her "Portuguese Chick" in an earlier post. Maybe she could be "HALO Chick"...? :) At any rate, anyone notice how much she looked like Rousseau's (and "Ben's") daughter Alex? Maybe it was just me...
That was my first thought as well.

Yeah, that's the ticket! Alex* had vacated Otherworld with the rest of them, then escaped via their aircraft (think they were relying only on a sub???), but had to bail. That's as good as many theories proposed... (even though I don't believe a word of it)

*Previously mis-identified as FBT/CHSW/FSC/PC, etc.

Yeah, that's the ticket! Alex* had vacated Otherworld with the rest of them, then escaped via their aircraft (think they were relying only on a sub???), but had to bail. That's as good as many theories proposed... (even though I don't believe a word of it)


Maybe Alex has a twin sister....? :eek: One who, for some reason, didn't accompany her mother on that ill-fated science mission, but who later got mixed up with Penny somehow. As LOST theories go, it's out there, I admit.

Lost is an extremely complex saga with many unresolved issues, as aptly demonstrated by VisionOn a few posts back. Its also a fairly costly show to produce due to the location shooting. (If you think Japan is overpriced, spend a three-week honeymoon in Hawaii like I did). Let's say another network counter-programs a new 'hot' hit show (like a 'Heroes', for example) and ABC strikes back by cancelling Lost with two weeks notice, and replacing it with say, 'Villians' (you get the idea).


Let me put your mind at rest. If this happens, I will personally fund the completion of the series.


Assuming that I win the lottery between now and then.

The significance of the book being Catch-22?

There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle.

"That's some catch, that Catch-22," he [Yossarian] observed.
"It's the best there is," Doc Daneeka agreed.

Why hasn't ANYONE brought up the annoying clicking sounds? It's the elephant in the room noone wants to bring up! Was it a code? :-)

Bingo!!! As I also watch Jericho, I was attuned to the fact the Lost writers might slip in a bit of Morse code into an episode. So I went back and painstakingly noted every single click and the intervals between clicks to ascertain the coded message. Amazingly enough it decodes into "So long, and thanks for all the fish". I guess it was for Jin??? :D

Yes, it was, here on the west coast every time you guys had an audio click, we got an answer to one of the Lost questions displayed on the screen. :)
And knowing what an avid fan you are, I have little doubt that you prepared a complete list of the questions and answers.

Please post it at your earliest convenience. for the rest of us. :p

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Chance favors the prepared mind

And knowing what an avid fan you are, I have little doubt that you prepared a complete list of the questions and answers.

Please post it at your earliest convenience. for the rest of us. :p



Better post it in the spoiler thread, though. ;)

Better post it in the spoiler thread, though. ;) Wait a second. I thought the rule was that if it had already aired, it was not considered a spoiler.

Keenan says it already aired last night. Are you attempting to impugn his integrity or something? :eek: :D

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Wait a second. I thought the rule was that if it had already aired, it was not considered a spoiler.

Keenan says it already aired last night. Are you attempting to impugn his integrity or something? :eek: :D

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Chance favors the prepared mind
I don't have either, integrity or "something". :p :D

Why hasn't ANYONE brought up the annoying clicking sounds? It's the elephant in the room noone wants to bring up! Was it a code? :-)
go back to 760 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=449662&page=760&pp=30)

its not in the dl I'm watching though, prob wont be online either...

I liked Charlie's line when the subject came up:

Hurley: "The battery's dead"

Charlie: "Of course it is..."

actually Charlie says "Shocker..." but his facial expression was "of course it is" ;)

Hurley gets a good one too "thanks for giving the heads up on bringin an umbrella dude" :D

Maybe we should start a separate thread/poll:

Kate or Juliet

:D

I'm definitely in the Kate camp!

Send me to either camp, because either way I win!

BTW, who else laughed out loud at Jin telling a scary campfire story (in Korean), complete with flashlight-under-the-face effect.

I could have sworn the phone display said "internal error" when it was powered up. Any screen caps of the phone? Perhaps, Hurley assumed it was a battery problem but really it was broken in the fall.
yes it did say "internal Error" and then turned off.
maybe sayid will figure it out.

Either way it was pretty hi-tech phone for 2004.
not really. My dad works for phone company and they had a big phone like that in the early 90's called "Simon". wasnt in color though. ;) So any '04 phone will def be in color and def hi-tech when ya have the money.

it is funny how much it looks like the iphone though...

BTW, who else laughed out loud at Jin telling a scary campfire story (in Korean), complete with flashlight-under-the-face effect.

I wonder if anyone has a translation of that story? It's gotta' be posted on some fansite somewhere. I'd love to know what a ghost story on Lost Island would sound like. :eek:

I bet it was "The Hook". He had his hand up in his sleeve at one point.

But that was the beauty of that scene - the story was compelling, for us and for the Losties listening, even without language. Really masterfully done.

they are over the sophomore curse

you do know this is SEASON 3 and sophomore is for SECOND. ;)

I wonder if anyone has a translation of that story? It's gotta' be posted on some fansite somewhere. I'd love to know what a ghost story on Lost Island would sound like. :eek:

Nikki and Paolo rise from the grave and annoy eveyone to death?

With the exception of the lightning rod incident, is it not Desmond who is getting Charlie into the situations where he will be killed?

Charlie wouldn't have followed Desmond from the forrest to the beach if he didn't go there first to pull Claire out of the water.

Charlie wouldn't be trying to pull the migrating bird from the rocky shore if Desmond hadn't scared the birds away from Claire's trap first.

Last night, Charlie wouldn't have been walking along the cable into Rousso's trap if he wasn't talked into going by Desmond first.

So, is there some strange thing going on where Desmond saves Charlie, but causes him to get into those situations first?Which is precisely why I said I'd keep far away from Dez if I were Charlie. Yeah, Jin did tell a great story. It was about---oops; forgot I don't speak korean.

BTW, I was watching a Threshold rerun on Sci-Fi earlier (I didn't see its original run), and there was the guy who plays Ethan, throwin' everybody around. Someone earlier mentioned he did the same to Jack last season (an episode I missed).

I have read speculation on here previously that next season maybe the last, but now I'm hearing coworkers say that they have heard that it is for certain. Does anyone know for sure? Has ABC made an official announcement (links)?
you can use google I'm sure...

during the recent TCA (Television Critics Association) winter press tour it was announced they have 1 1/2 - 2 seasons left.

I bet it was "The Hook".

Yeah... The punch line was something like "but the hook is still in his(?) skull".

Personally, I don't know "The Hook" joke, so... Jin was starting toward the very end of the joke.

Daniel Dae Kim's Korean IS definitely getting better, but it still cracks me up. :p

BTW, the chopper cannot fly for long... So wherever it started from must be close?

Hong.

you do know this is SEASON 3 and sophomore is for SECOND. ;)

i think that was his point

Yeah... The punch line was something like "but the hook is still in his(?) skull".

Personally, I don't know "The Hook" joke, so... Jin was starting toward the very end of the joke.

Daniel Dae Kim's Korean IS definitely getting better, but it still cracks me up. :p

BTW, the chopper cannot fly for long... So wherever it started from must be close?

Hong.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/horrors/a/the_hook.htm

All true for sure. But I think more than this, I care more about enjoying the ride than the ultimate resolution, plot points, or advancement thereof at a given time. I want to be entertained each week. That's what is important to me. If an episode is well written and engaging, I am happy. Whether that episode advanced the plot a lot or a little is secondary to me.

What you state above is definitely true. However, with LOST I don't judge how good or bad an episode is by whether it advanced the story. For me it's all about the journey :)


Great post. You chyrstalized my thoughts.

One point no one has mentioned yet, is that Desmond's vision included Penny...which means that originally, the way things happened (or were supposed to happen), he saw Penny....the question becomes, when, and where...

My theory is that the backpack that they found the book in (as well as the picture) actually WAS Penny's backback...Penny is on the island...originally, Charlie was hit by the arrow, and they were probably forced into a different sequence of events that led to Penny....this time however, Charlie was saved, and they continued to look for Penny once they saw the book and picture....there's no reason to believe that the pack they found belonged to the girl in the tree...

I realize there were visions of the parachute,...but its possible there's another parachute out there...one that Penny was attached too...

Either way, Desmond's visions haven't been wrong up until this point,...and they don't seem to go that far into the future....so based on all that, I have to assume that Penny IS on the island, that he would have found her had Charlie been hit with the arrow...and that she will show up in one way or another before season's end...

not really. My dad works for phone company and they had a big phone like that in the early 90's called "Simon". wasnt in color though. ;) So any '04 phone will def be in color and def hi-tech when ya have the money.

Did they have touch screen satellite phones back in 2004? I have never seen a satellite phone that doesn't look like a regular phone.

Yeah... The punch line was something like "but the hook is still in his(?) skull".

Personally, I don't know "The Hook" joke, so... Jin was starting toward the very end of the joke.
Interestingly enough, I mentioned "The Hook" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10156496&&#post10156496) in re the infamous Paulo and Nikki episode a couple weeks back:

Umm... that was... very un-fantastic.

Next week: an episode with Hurley and the VW bus - and when they got back.... there was a disembodied arm with a hook for a hand hanging from the door handle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Worst episode of the series, by far. What a total ripoff indulgent waste of time.
Help! Billy Dee and Desmond and I are stuck in a loop!! Either that, and even more likely, the producers just gave me a shoutout after reading this thread. Cool!!!

Interestingly enough, I mentioned "The Hook" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10156496&&#post10156496) in re the infamous Paulo and Nikki episode a couple weeks back:
Thanks for the heads up on Kate in her underwear, dude!

....there's no reason to believe that the pack they found belonged to the girl in the tree...

Except the fact that they found the backpack like 20 feet from where the girl was! :D

Except the fact that they found the backpack like 20 feet from where the girl was! :D

Do we really know it was that close? My memory may not serve me very well right now, but I thought they just kept moving along, and as all things Lost, we really don't know how far they went...

In Desmond's first future "flashback", he's clearly talking to Penelope after they bring the parachutist down from the trees.

http://home.pacifier.com/~scowl/hdtv/lost4.jpg

In Desmond's first future "flashback", he's clearly talking to Penelope after they bring the parachutist down from the trees.

http://home.pacifier.com/~scowl/hdtv/lost4.jpg

Exactly why I predict she is ALREADY on the island....but that's just me...

Regarding helicopter ejection seats I found this:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/vvs/ka50-01.htm

"The Ka-50 is fitted with the world’s first helicopter emergency rescue system (the K-37 ejection seat, rocket-operated parachute system, jettisonable main rotor blades) intended to safely eject the pilot in flight and at the ground."


Like in "Golden Eye", right?

Except the fact that they found the backpack like 20 feet from where the girl was! :D
No they walked for at least another half hour before they found the parachutist.

My theory is that the backpack that they found the book in (as well as the picture) actually WAS Penny's backback...Penny is on the island...originally, Charlie was hit by the arrow, and they were probably forced into a different sequence of events that led to Penny....this time however, Charlie was saved, and they continued to look for Penny once they saw the book and picture....there's no reason to believe that the pack they found belonged to the girl in the tree...
Except wouldn't Penny be reading the English edition of Catch-22?

Notice a repeat of Desmond's vision before Charlie was saved showed the parachutist in the tree but no longer included him talking to Penny. It's possible that something before that screwed up the sequence of events.

There were several repeats of his visions that didn't include events. When Hurley pulled the cable, his repeat vision was "Hurley pulling the cable and looking up (at what?), the trip wire (clever cut from the cable), the dark sky with the beacon, and that was it. Maybe at the point, those were the only things that could possibly happen.

In Desmond's first future "flashback", he's clearly talking to Penelope after they bring the parachutist down from the trees.



Is he? I see someone who looks like Penelope, but not necessarily his Penny.

Dave, Yemi, Mr Jack, disappearing Walt ...

If Desmond is seeing Penelope and she isn't on the island I think he'll be dead by season 4.

Well, actually, I heard it in Phoenix, AZ too. We get west coast feed.
Actually, the feed is still the east coast feed from the network. our local affiliates tape delay them for when they are scheduled at central time. Because our primetime starts at 7 not 8 like on the west coast, we dont get the west coast feed.

Maybe both Penny and FBT ejected/bailed out of the chopper, and Desmond's foreseen face-to-face with Penny is yet to come...

It seems simple to me. Penny sent in the woman to find Desmond and gave her a picture so that she could spot him and a phone to call her when she has him. Penny won't be far behind since she will have noted either the copter crash or the lack of a sat phone call from the tree babe. Penny is coming soon. Probably right around the season finale.

It seems simple to me. Penny sent in the woman to find Desmond and gave her a picture so that she could spot him and a phone to call her when she has him. Penny won't be far behind since she will have noted either the copter crash or the lack of a sat phone call from the tree babe. Penny is coming soon. Probably right around the season finale.

This doesn't seem to jive with the past "future flashes" that desmond had...he essentially seems to get these flashes not very long before they are going to happen...this would imply that originally, he was going to see Penny as part of the series of flashes he had...the reason he didn't is because he changed the course of events...

The LOST wardrobe people don't have reality as one of their criteria because helicopter pilots, crew, or passengers don't wear oxygen masks because those birds are unable to reach altitudes where supplemental oxygen is needed.

You're never going to find a parachute in a helicopter either.

Finally, helicopters can lose all engine power and still land safely (sometimes) because they can perform a a maneuver called autorotation--the rotor blades keep spinning allowing the bird to land.

This doesn't seem to jive with the past "future flashes" that desmond had...he essentially seems to get these flashes not very long before they are going to happen...this would imply that originally, he was going to see Penny as part of the series of flashes he had...the reason he didn't is because he changed the course of events...how would saving CHarlie alter who would see?? :confused:

how would saving CHarlie alter who would see?? :confused:

because the events that lead to Penny didn't occur as shown. It could have been that those minutes spent with dying Charlie were enough to change the time he encounters the pilot. Which could also have coincided with Penny arriving at the same point.

Desmond has made it off the island?!? :p

Ghost yacht found (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6574547.stm)

I don’t believe the helo ran out of fuel. If you go by that theory, then you’re saying the pilot was willing to go beyond the point-of-no-return, and you don’t do that on a rescue mission. Whether they left from the mainland or a ship with a helo port, they knew their destination, so fuel couldn’t have been a problem. Either the island still has some sort of power, or the Others brought it down.

Why the dark visor when you are flying at night? This just doesn’t make sense other than to lend a dramatic effect leading up to the removal of the helmet.

When I heard the popping noise I thought it was intentional. It occurred when Desmond was asking Hurley about the cable, so I was expecting a transition of some sort. Obviously, it wasn’t intentional. :)

When I heard the popping noise I thought it was intentional. It occurred when Desmond was asking Hurley about the cable, so I was expecting a transition of some sort. Obviously, it wasn’t intentional. :)

It was extremely annoying; I've never heard it before. Any chance that only those of us w/Dolby 5.1 heard it?

All true for sure. But I think more than this, I care more about enjoying the ride than the ultimate resolution, plot points, or advancement thereof at a given time. I want to be entertained each week. That's what is important to me. If an episode is well written and engaging, I am happy. Whether that episode advanced the plot a lot or a little is secondary to me.

What you state above is definitely true. However, with LOST I don't judge how good or bad an episode is by whether it advanced the story. For me it's all about the journey :)
Well said Don!!!!! I am there with you. Despite the answers or more questions we get. The show as a whole needs to be entertaining first. As long as they keep me entertained I will watch every week. I only have three show that have me making sure I home to watch them, they are LOST, 24, & Heroes. The all have reality problems but who cares this is a fiction TV show and they all are VERY ENTERTAINING.

It was extremely annoying; I've never heard it before. Any chance that only those of us w/Dolby 5.1 heard it?
I heard it also, 2.0 over here

you do know this is SEASON 3 and sophomore is for SECOND. ;)
the drop in viewers and the critizium started during season 2 during february sweeps and beyond. . That is what I meant. But thanks for explaining what sopmomore means. It took them a whole season to expel the curse but it definately gone this season. The 3rd season has been a much better season, sure they backfired by having only 7 episodes during the fall. But the show has bounced back and anyone who gave up will kick themselfs when they buy the DVD in October. .

Which is precisely why I said I'd keep far away from Dez if I were Charlie. Yeah, Jin did tell a great story. It was about---oops; forgot I don't speak korean.

BTW, I was watching a Threshold rerun on Sci-Fi earlier (I didn't see its original run), and there was the guy who plays Ethan, throwin' everybody around. Someone earlier mentioned he did the same to Jack last season (an episode I missed).

Stop following my channel choices. I was watching that same episode. Yesterday on sci-Fi. I missed the first 15 min when threshold premiered last season. Personally I thought this was the best Sci-fi show from last year. Surface coming a close second. Sorry invasion fans. But it only ran it's intial 9 episodes.

Ethan F@#$ed up Jack in Season 1 when they had the search party for Charlie and Claire. I Think it was the episode where Charlie alomost was killed, when ethan played hangman with Charlie. Charlie almost dying was a more important scene so if you remember that you saw the episode.

Actually, the feed is still the east coast feed from the network. our local affiliates tape delay them for when they are scheduled at central time. Because our primetime starts at 7 not 8 like on the west coast, we dont get the west coast feed.
really, you don't get the West coast feed? I was under the impression that the East coast Feed covered eastern and central time zones and the west coast offers the feed for pacific and mountain time. Now you have me curious. Time to play with the search engines. At least you give me something more productive to do while I wait for 3:30pm to come along.

I don’t believe the helo ran out of fuel. If you go by that theory, then you’re saying the pilot was willing to go beyond the point-of-no-return, and you don’t do that on a rescue mission. Whether they left from the mainland or a ship with a helo port, they knew their destination, so fuel couldn’t have been a problem. Either the island still has some sort of power, or the Others brought it down.


That is why the thing that bothers me the most is why have a rescue mission in the pitch black of night!!! If they were closer just head off before sunrise. It almost seems this helicopter was there for a different reason?

Actually, the feed is still the east coast feed from the network. our local affiliates tape delay them for when they are scheduled at central time. Because our primetime starts at 7 not 8 like on the west coast, we dont get the west coast feed.

Then how come KNXV says that Lost starts at 9PM? That would fit the West Coast feed perfectly.

The LOST wardrobe people don't have reality as one of their criteria because helicopter pilots, crew, or passengers don't wear oxygen masks because those birds are unable to reach altitudes where supplemental oxygen is needed.

Agreed :) Which, (assuming the writers aren't complete idiots) raises the posibility the downed pilot was flying a different (second) aircraft than helo (which would be a typical SAR craft.)

...At least you give me something more productive to do while I wait for 3:30pm to come along.

What happens at 3:30pm?

What happens at 3:30pm?

I get to go home!!!!! :) :D :p Order a Baked Zitti w/meatsauce and Chicken cutlet mixed in. Yum Yum :cool: No more work till monday and beautiful weather expected for NYC this weekend. I will be re-watching season 2 because if I remember correctly Penny was reading that same book when the phone rang. Unless someone mentioned that already. I haven't read all the 10+ pages that have grown since 11:01 EST.

That is why the thing that bothers me the most is why have a rescue mission in the pitch black of night!!! If they were closer just head off before sunrise. It almost seems this helicopter was there for a different reason?
Or the helicopter got...Lost...and ran out of fuel.

Is he? I see someone who looks like Penelope, but not necessarily his Penny.

Dave, Yemi, Mr Jack, disappearing Walt ....
Yep, could be an android or a shape-shifting alien or dead Penny's ghost or one of those clones from Alias or Penny's twin sister who they haven't told us about yet.

Or maybe it's Penny who we know has been searching for him.

Or the helicopter got...Lost...and ran out of fuel.

My first thought when the helicopter started making weird noises is that it's engine was failing due to some magnetic influence of the island, the same way the Oceanic plane crashed. Or how the Nigerian drug plane crashed.

Perhaps the pilot was expecting or prepared for that, which is why they would have a full parachute gear on and ready to go.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to fly a helicopter to an island in the middle of the Pacific, when it isn't nearly big enough to rescue the stranded and it probably wouldn't have enough fuel to make a long return journey.

Perhaps the helicopter took off from a nearby aircraft carrier that Penny sent to rescue Desmond? And the aircraft carrier couldn't find the island or didn't want to crash / fail like the other vehicles that have approached it.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to fly a helicopter to an island in the middle of the Pacific, when it isn't nearly big enough to rescue the stranded and it probably wouldn't have enough fuel to make a long return journey.

Perhaps the helicopter took off from a nearby aircraft carrier that Penny sent to rescue Desmond? And the aircraft carrier couldn't find the island or didn't want to crash / fail like the other vehicles that have approached it.

I made that suggestion waaaay back a few pages, i.e. there has to be a ship nearby because helicopters are short range aircraft. Not necessarily an "aircraft carrier" though. Many types of vessels can be equipped with helio landing pads. And, as I said back then, that ship is where we're likely to find Penny.

I made that suggestion waaaay back a few pages, i.e. there has to be a ship nearby because helicopters are short range aircraft. Not necessarily an "aircraft carrier" though. Many types of vessels can be equipped with helio landing pads. And, as I said back then, that ship is where we're likely to find Penny.

Sorry I missed your post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10338841&&#post10338841) , didn't mean to copy your idea.

But, yes, I agree, I don't the helicopter was the only part of the rescue mission.

...I haven't read all the 10+ pages that have grown since 11:01 EST.

FYI: Ya gotta start reading from 10 EST. There's always several posts made during the show.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to fly a helicopter to an island in the middle of the Pacific, when it isn't nearly big enough to rescue the stranded and it probably wouldn't have enough fuel to make a long return journey.
Does Penny even know about the other survivors? She may only be searching for (and hoping to rescue) Desmond. In that case, the helicoptor would be more than large enough.

Also, I've see people dismiss the idea that it was a one way trip. I think it's possible it might have been planned that way. It may not have been a rescue so much as a way of getting a beacon inside the zone of the island in order to allow someone to home in on it and find a way in - and back out. We don't know what else was in the pack. There was a sat phone, but that could have merely been meant to allow the "pilot" to call out and say "I found Desmond....lock in on our position".

As far as the excess gear and the dark face shield, that may have been protection against the effects of entering the protected shield around the island.

Finally, the one reason I can think of for performing the operation at night would be to keep a low profile regarding any "hostiles" that might spot the helicopter.

I don't think Penny is on the island. I think the Losties will find a way to fix the sat phone and she'll be the first one they talk to in the season finale. Next season will build up to a rescue operation getting onto the island. However, they'll find they are trapped themselves and will have to find a way to navigate out using the sub that Locke will produce at the last minute. That's my guess....

It was extremely annoying; I've never heard it before. Any chance that only those of us w/Dolby 5.1 heard it?

Yes, I heard it. But I have heard it before on HD chanels only to find no such clicking on the std def chanel. So I just assumed it was my cable company again.

Sorry I missed your post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10338841&&#post10338841) , didn't mean to copy your idea.

But, yes, I agree, I don't the helicopter was the only part of the rescue mission.
That is true about the rescue mission, Penny certainly was waiting for some contact and was ready for any signal occured. The heli should be a part of a large ship rescue,, but once the helicoptor took off, who is to say thery didn't suffer the same instrument panel troubles that fligt 815 had. Then broke aprt when it hit the barrier. Also by crashing into the island barrier, who is to say the "rescue mission" can still track the heli on radar. Plus the the was that Penny or wasn't it her crowd, 2 more items crashed into the water. We do not know right now what it was Remember 29 people survived landing in the water even though they hit the water at some extreme speeds.

FYI: Ya gotta start reading from 10 EST. There's always several posts made during the show.
I am was just counting from regular end time. I know all about the early birds, I have been one of those early posters. But there really hasn't been that many post before 11, maybe 10 to 15 at the most not really a whole page. After 11 everyone takes their gloves of and start typing away. :D

ok, guys & ladies. Network has me thinking. Why are we assuming Penny is coming to rescue Desmond? All his flasbacks show nothing to think she has a power to locate him no matter where he is. The last thing he told her was that he was going on the boat trip around the world. When the ice guys informed Penny of the signal, the location of the island appear for a few seconds or minutes, we really don't know, but the signal was from the island itself. Penny is just trying to find this island for some undisclosed business as of right now. She might need to find some relatives that were suppose to be on this island until the "incedent" occured which left the island invisable to radar. I think there is more to this then a Penny & Desmond love story. Just a thought

Y'know, for a bunch of guys who consider themselves clever and analytical, I'm amazed that no one has thought far enough outside of the box to discover the obvious solution. :(

So before we waste anymore time over the helo/rescue, let's cut to the chase. Although most of this took place offscreen, it is clear that Locke, who is now hanging with the Others, has discovered their auxiliary helicopter, which is only to be used if, god forbid, something was to happen to their sub.

AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHENEVER LOCKE DISCOVERS SOMETHING ON THE ISLAND WHICH MAY PROVE POTENTIALLY USEFUL TO THE LOSTIES!!! :mad:

And yes, the girl in the parachute was nothing more than a red herring, because the Lost creative team has gotten tired of spoon-feeding us. :rolleyes:

Okay, so now that we solved that one, let's get back to the Juliet - Kate debate. :D

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...There was a sat phone...

What's the difference between a "sat" phone and a "cell" phone? :confused:

What's the difference between a "sat" phone and a "cell" phone? :confused:
Exactly what it sounds like:

Cell phones use towers placed in nearby locations (know as "cells" because of how they cover areas using little zones of coverage). You can pass from one to the other seamlessly in most cases. Sat phones transmit between the phone and a satellite. You get more range and more coverage with a sat phone, but it's really, really expensive.

ok, Penny is just trying to find this island for some undisclosed business as of right now. She might need to find some relatives that were suppose to be on this island until the "incedent" occured which left the island invisable to radar. I think there is more to this then a Penny & Desmond love story. Just a thought
Okay, I know when I'm beat. You win. That is MUCH funnier than my explanation. ;)

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What's the difference between a "sat" phone and a "cell" phone? :confused:


Cellphones need cell towers nearby to work. Sat phones need satellites in orbit. Much more expensive tech.

EDIT - Network beat me to it.

ok, guys & ladies. Network has me thinking. Why are we assuming Penny is coming to rescue Desmond?

Desmond has an implant???

Y'know, for a bunch of guys who consider themselves clever and analytical...

Not me --- never said that!

Desmond has an implant???
Or maybe he is a plant...which is why Charlie should avoid him so he won't end up a vegetable...

Y'know, for a bunch of guys who consider themselves clever and analytical, I'm amazed that no one has thought far enough outside of the box to discover the obvious solution. :(

I can't figure out if I'm clever and analytical or not. Let me throw a dart at my "Yes/No" board to find out...then I'll shake my magic 8-ball to see if I should believe the result...

Hmmm..."outlook fuzzy - try again later". I'm not sure if I should, though.

one more thing to think about, sure it is a tropical island but Tahiti is the course they were headed for after the instrument problems. But then endd up miles off course. All they need to do is head south from take off that would bring us closer to the Antartica. This island might be a experiement that made a winter wonderland into a troprical paradise(long shot I know), In turn it makes sense to the why there are Polar bears on the island. But that would explain the complete face mask for riding in a heli. The air is too think or harmful to breathe with out assistance. Outside the barrier it is the middle of winter in the artic. Just a thought, trash it if you want or agree with it. It was something I was thinking since the disagreement about the full face mask.

Okay, I know when I'm beat. You win. That is MUCH funnier than my explanation. ;)

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Chance favors the prepared mind
I aim to please. Thank you thank you, I will be here all week!!!!!!

Desmond has an implant???
it can't be that easy. That would be my change the channel point!!!! No, not really but I would send a strongly worded letter to the writers!!

Y'know, for a bunch of guys who consider themselves clever and analytical, I'm amazed that no one has thought far enough outside of the box to discover the obvious solution. :( \

I can't even say analytical, you said ANAL ha ha. :D LOL

one more thing to think about, sure it is a tropical island but Tahiti is the course they were headed for after the instrument problems. But then endd up miles off course. All they need to do is head south from take off that would bring us closer to the Antartica. This island might be a experiement that made a winter wonderland into a troprical paradise(long shot I know), In turn it makes sense to the why there are Polar bears on the island. But that would explain the complete face mask for riding in a heli. The air is too think or harmful to breathe with out assistance. Outside the barrier it is the middle of winter in the artic. Just a thought, trash it if you want or agree with it. It was something I was thinking since the disagreement about the full face mask.
It's pretty certain the polar bears were brought there for research.

However, that doesn't mean the rest of your statement couldn't be true. We didn't see what snowy region of the world those guys were located in...

Of course, they sounded Russian - and the Arctic would be closer for them than the Antarctic region.

I can't figure out if I'm clever and analytical or not. Let me throw a dart at my "Yes/No" board to find out...then I'll shake my magic 8-ball to see if I should believe the result...

Hmmm..."outlook fuzzy - try again later". I'm not sure if I should, though.
Ever since The Exorcist, I prefer the plain and simple Ouija board :)

one more thing to think about, sure it is a tropical island but Tahiti is the course they were headed for after the instrument problems. But then endd up miles off course. All they need to do is head south from take off that would bring us closer to the Antartica. This island might be a experiement that made a winter wonderland into a troprical paradise(long shot I know), In turn it makes sense to the why there are Polar bears on the island. But that would explain the complete face mask for riding in a heli. The air is too think or harmful to breathe with out assistance. Outside the barrier it is the middle of winter in the artic. Just a thought, trash it if you want or agree with it. It was something I was thinking since the disagreement about the full face mask.
Hey, I’ve already conceded that you’ve won! Beating the horse to death at this point is just plain unseemly. :D

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There was a sat phone, but that could have merely been meant to allow the "pilot" to call out and say "I found Desmond....lock in on our position".

“Beam me up, Scotty.” :)


It’s possible a rescue attempt was made earlier and they encountered some ‘island problems’ and this is the return trip. You never know how factual they care to be when it comes to TV, but that helo sounded more like a military copter than the typical one millionaires use on their yachts. I don’t believe it was the military rescuing, just that it sounded like a much bigger helo, which may explain the breathing apparatus and the parachute being on board because of problems they encountered from a previous rescue attempt.

Okay, so now that we solved that one, let's get back to the Juliet - Kate debate. :D

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Palladin

Chance favors the prepared mind
What debate? It's Juliet, hands down!! :D

Ever since The Exorcist, I prefer the plain and simple Ouija board :)

Meh....all that conjuring. I'm too lazy for all that. And you have to be able to spell out backwards messages from "the other side", too.... ;)

"REDRUM! REDRUM!"

Why, thank you - I'd love some red rum...oh, wait a second...

Exactly what it sounds like:

Cell phones use towers placed in nearby locations (know as "cells" because of how they cover areas using little zones of coverage). You can pass from one to the other seamlessly in most cases. Sat phones transmit between the phone and a satellite. You get more range and more coverage with a sat phone, but it's really, really expensive.

Thanks, NTV! I just assumed ALL cellphones were "sat" phones, and that the signals are sent from phone to tower to satellite to tower to cell phone. Is this incorrect? Are cell phone calls just 'relayed' from tower to tower and not from tower to satellite? Seriously, I don't know (feeling kinda stupid here...)

What debate? It's Juliet, hands down!! :D
No argument here.

But there are infidels among us who favor tight little asses for some inexplicable reason. :confused: :D

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Thanks, NTV! I just assumed ALL cellphones were "sat" phones, and that the signals are sent from phone to tower to satellite to tower to cell phone. Is this incorrect? Are cell phone calls just 'relayed' from tower to tower and not from tower to satellite? Seriously, I don't know (feeling kinda stupid here...)
Cell phones go from phone to tower and those go to land lines. Then, if it needs to go to another cell phone, it runs to the nearest tower and gets broadcasted from there. You don't hop towers unless you pass from one coverage area to another.

Regular phones and cell phones only use satellites for international calls (and both are in land lines before that. Most don't even need to do that. They usually take advantage of a few under-sea trunk lines.

Or maybe he is a plant...which is why Charlie should avoid him so he won't end up a vegetable...

No, seriously. Penny (or her father) certainly has the money to have bought the technology to have "implanted" a (homing or some other) device into Desmond, no?

(If the writers ever read these forum threads I can only imagine what they must think, and the laughter that ensues! Then again, I wonder how many "ideas" for the show they actually get from people like us.)

Palladin: the more I keep people thinking the longer this thread stays active.


Network: in real life all bing nations USA, Russia, UK and maybe China has expeditions to Antarica to test "global warming" so wouldn't a huge step to say the russians were there.